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 Platuan4th wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
For me personally, I’d be upset if I saw a casino trying to wrangle customers with FOMO and other manipulative marketing practices

Every single casino does do this by offering free credits with their member cards and limited time sweepstakes. You literally described the tactics they use to get new gamblers on their floors.

I did not know how aggressive they tend to be since local advertising for casinos seems legally(?) obligated not to mention gambling. And now I k know, I consider them scum. As for GW, I don’t consider them an honest business just trying to get by. My FLGS is in more dire straights and has somehow refrained from using any scummy tactics to manipulate customers towards ill-considered purchases. To me it just makes GW look tone deaf at best.

Eh GW is doing nothign different than the other miniature companies right now. LOADS of them are making event exclusive models available right now; whilst a good number are also running discounts. The only real difference being many of them are still operational whilst GW is out of operation. So GW is selling vouchers and a pair of models; many other companies are discounting and selling full inventories of stock with Corona sales and such.

I don't see why GW should be singled out for doing what basically the entire market they are in is doing in various forms; especially when its very clear (esp from people overspending insane amounts on ebay for paint) that there IS a market who still have money who want to spend and are trapped at home with nothing better to do.



By all means dislike the price (though that is kind of a repeat argument now); but the practice right now from GW is very tame compared to what they could be doing (loads and loads of pre-orders). Furthermore they are not doing anything that other companies in the same market are not doing - so if you want to attack GW you've also got to have a got at everyone else. Heck even Kickstarters are still running

This thread... seriously...

Limited edition models aren’t a new thing.

Their obscene pricing isn’t a new thing.

Their availability this way is better than only being able to buy at a con. Neither is ideal, but see point 1.

You don’t have to buy them unless you want to.

The world being on fire right now is not GW’s fault.

I’m really not sure what all the whining is about. The Sister looks fantastic and that Terminator is still a horrible sculpt. Buy them if you want them and can afford them. If not or you can’t afford them just now, don’t. Neither is army-breaking if you don’t have it (one’s a generic trooper, the other isn’t Primaris so not even very current). Sorry if this isn’t sensational or edgy enough a take, but honestly, dial it down peeps.

The stuff previewed today looks cool. That Necron is immense, very very cool, and the Inquisitor is kinda RT-throwback in some fun ways whilst being new. This seems to take us up to end of PA, so roll on May’s preview and we may get glimpses of the next phase of 40K...

I guess things are different in the states, but in Europe your first bet being free for any online gambling is standard practice. They don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. That is unrelated though, because gambling companies and casinos are notoriously unscrupulous and not comparable to a normal store chain.

GW is bleeding cash. If they're anything like the business I work for, which is one of the largest medical device companies in the world, they're walking on a tightrope right now. After the first week we closed our doors, although only temporarily, we had to let people go, and the rest of us are taking a 20% pay cut for the foreseeable future so that we can protect our jobs.

GW would be much smaller scale, but undoubtedly still have huge issues with cashflow as they're retaining staff and shops and factories while this all goes on. They don't have an infinite reserve of cash in a rainy day fund, and although they're more secure than most because they own their own premises, they're still trying to protect the business and jobs within in. They're also probably incredibly aware of all the long term job losses globally which will mean recovery for a luxury good will be slow.

It sucks that local stores and FLGs are struggling right now, but it doesn't make any sense to me to begrudge a company leveraging one of its few remaining income streams during an unprecedented global pandemic. And as far as nefarious business practices go, offering something to the market than some people can't afford is pretty damn low on the list.

There's nothing tone deaf or malicious about what they're doing. They're releasing limited edition models as preorders. That's it. They've always had limited edition models and event exclusives, and for me, who can't get to Adepticon, and who's "local GW" is 3 hours away, I'm quite happy that I can now buy these without having to invest in a plane ticket or get gouged by the "community" on eBay.

So I am glad I've waited for AoS. The gargants seem like the perfect army for me. Very low model count, means much more likely I'll actually paint. Big models are easier for me to paint as well, and the aesthetic is right on point. They don't look goofy, I'm really, really impressed!

Sigh...once again, vote with your wallet. GW has been going above and beyond for their employees during this time. If they raise a limited edition figure to $35 (btw, that’s what we pay for heroes from Malign Portents for AoS) to offset some of what they’re doing for employees during this time, so what? You aren’t entitled to the mini. You can show your support and get it or decide the slightly raised cost isn’t for you.

It’s like the whole paint cost debacle all over again. They have higher costs on their paints than their competition, but they also have different consistencies, “free” painting channels (the paint sales likely help pay for this, you know), and apps to help you paint the way they do.

I used to rail against GW when Wells was in charge. Since Rountree came in...I’ve seen a new side of GW and I’ve understood some of their costs. Not everything mind you, but limited edition figures and paints? Totally get it.

However, seeing somebody actually get pissed that they offer a free 10£ coupon for every 100£ you spend? GW is giving you bonus bucks!! How is that ever a bad thing?! The level of selfishness in this thread is beyond asinine.

TFW a $35 single mini with a 30% shipping cost is considered asinine, selfish whining. And one of them is a hideous sculpt, to boot!

Well, glad you guys see a good value, have fun.

Anyone have any idea what's on Saul's leg? He has a big black cylinder thing on his right side. It can't be a sheath

 Ouze wrote:
TFW a $35 single mini with a 30% shipping cost is considered asinine, selfish whining. And one of them is a hideous sculpt, to boot!

Well, glad you guys see a good value, have fun.

I agree that Terminator is pretty bad. Still the sister is gorgeous so I had to buy her. $35 seems pretty steep for a single mini, but is it really? That's what 2-3 hours of work to pay for it, for an hour or two of enjoyment painting it. Followed by years or use in the army or enjoyment in your collection. For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Really interesting to see that it's people based in US who are complaining about the business practice and FOMO, whereas Europeans are saying "what's the problem"?

I'm in with the euros here though, you seriously do not have to buy this, why are you concerned? If you cannot restrain, by all means, please get help.

Character models and individuals are these prices....the new marine models $40 each, The new cannoness is $35, Eisenhorn (resin!) is $35, Greyfax luckily only $30, generic terminator librarian $31 (what a weird price point), etc, etc.

This is the price of these models, your choice to buy or not. I personally think it's a little insane, and so usually refrain (as I will with these 2), but not always. The sister is an amazing sculpt, but in the end it's just nothing special model wise and so I will pass. When that Inquisitor comes out and is $35, I will buy. Choices.

Mostly, just be an adult.

OK, folks, let's leave the casino discussion there please.

What interests me is that we've got Daughters of Khaine in Underworlds and Warcry being released quite close together. I wonder if DoK are going to get a 2.5 style update with a bunch of other models. Right now they are perhaps one of the smallest ranges of models in the game. Especially when you consider that their leaders are either Morathi or the Cauldron kit; whilst most of their troops are split into two different warscrolls - whilst for many other more recent AoS armies similar models have only had differences in weapon options.

Eg Khinerai are basically spears or hand scythes which in most other armies is just a weapon option not two different unit warscrolls.


Though that DoK has been able to boost its number of warscrolls without actually needing many models themselves. They'd be a fantastic faction to see GW expand on and grow.

That new sister is an amazing model. I don't mind pre-ordering that at all.

I like the Inquisitor and the Khainites too.

Warhammer Quest feels like it goes out with a whimper a bit, even if the drones are nice enough.

 Sersi wrote:
For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Yeah. it's probably a weird hill to die on, but the $35 for a single mini is only 20% of my annoyance, GWS has been a ripoff pricewise since they started ramping up price in... what, 2010-12 or so?

it's 80% the 10 bucks shipping for a $35 mini. For that markup, it could at least be free shipping.

I do not have a local GWS, so it's ship, or not get.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

 Ouze wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
For me it was the obscene shipping that shocked me. But you can avoid that by having it shipped to the local GW store.

Yeah. it's probably a weird hill to die on, but the $35 for a single mini is only 20% of my annoyance, GWS has been a ripoff pricewise since they started ramping up price in... what, 2010-12 or so?

it's 80% the 10 bucks shipping for a $35 mini. For that markup, it could at least be free shipping.

I do not have a local GWS, so it's ship, or not get.

Simply buy 2 or the sister and the terminator libby (and then shipping is free). Sell second one online and recover losses

 bullyboy wrote:
Simply buy 2 or the sister and the terminator libby (and then shipping is free). Sell second one online and recover losses

Yeah, that's what I did. (edit: 2 of the sister, not that atrocious libby.)

The new characters are mostly cool, but holy crap are they pricey. I like the sister, not so much the Terminator Librarian. For the love of god and all that is holy, I wish GW would stop modeling them without helmets, this dude looks like he's stuck on the can trying to squint a grunt and got constipated halfway through. More to the point he mostly just looks like a minor repose of the existing Termi Libby they put out twelve years ago with chunkier embellishments to avoid undercuts that don't work nicely in plastic.

I do like the shuriken wielding Inquisitor however, that's a cool throwback vibe we haven't seen out of GW in decades. That's an awesome concept.

The necron character is neat, but I would never want to buy and paint it.

 Grimgold wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Lovely miniatures, all of them. Amazing stuff.

Love the Szeras model, looks really alien and weird.

The rules though, a 9" 1/6 perils bubble? Really? That's never going to do anything. Ugh, what's up with all the gak Xenos rules lately? Used up all the good stuff for Marines?

I don't know if I would dismiss it out of hand, we don't have any context. 9" is short range but there isn't a limit of how often it goes off, so the right person in the wrong place can do some work with it. Also they hint about combos

a taste of what the Necrons have in store for those who would tap into the warp, perhaps

I think it's safe to say it's bad. Like how many psychic powers do you need to be that close to get off? And if you have psykers with 9" of your characters as a necron player, things have already gone badly wrong. Hopefully the rest of his rules are decent and he's cheap. The model is stunning, but that rule has already filled me with dread for the Necron stuff in PA.

I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

 Lorek wrote:
I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

I remember when GW's minis were reasonably priced and the griping was totally unjustifiable.

Oh no wait, that pretty much never happened, people have almost always complained about GW's pricing because GW's pricing has almost always been varying degrees of ridiculous.


Sometimes the complaints are more reasonable than others, but the idea everyone should just shut up and enjoy their single bowl of gruel and be bloody thankful they get anything at all the ungrateful swine, or else not buy the thing at all and also just shut up, is nonsense. Quite apart from the fact that "voting with your wallet" is dumb unless you also indicate *why* you're voting one way or the other, the endless refrain that people shouldn't discuss something on a discussion forum is just bizarre, and coming from mods it's sheer farce.

If someone doesn't want to see critical points of view, they probably shouldn't be looking at places explicitly designed for people to share their points of view

But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

JohnnyHell wrote:
I’m really not sure what all the whining is about.

Odd. Your profile indicates you have over 6500 post, but this comment implies this is your first trip to DakkaDakka . . .

Yodhrin wrote:

 Lorek wrote:
I remember a time when people didn't gripe about the prices of GW minis.

No, wait, that's wrong. People have always done it. Thanks for keeping that arm of the hobby strong, people!

I remember when GW's minis were reasonably priced and the griping was totally unjustifiable.

Oh no wait, that pretty much never happened, people have almost always complained about GW's pricing because GW's pricing has almost always been varying degrees of ridiculous.

As the saying goes, vote with your wallet. If you find the price unreasonable, don't pay it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Sometimes the complaints are more reasonable than others, but the idea everyone should just shut up and enjoy their single bowl of gruel and be bloody thankful they get anything at all the ungrateful swine, or else not buy the thing at all and also just shut up, is nonsense. Quite apart from the fact that "voting with your wallet" is dumb unless you also indicate *why* you're voting one way or the other, the endless refrain that people shouldn't discuss something on a discussion forum is just bizarre, and coming from mods it's sheer farce.

Do you honestly believe that after 30 years GW aren't fully aware that some people think their product is too expensive?

Is some exec going to bring a Dakka link into a board meeting and say 'Hey, guys... apparently, some people on the internet are unhappy with our prices! Why did nobody ever tell us??? We could have lowered the prices years ago, if only we'd known!


I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

 Lorek wrote:
But it's not really sparking discussion, is it? The same tired refrain, repeated over the past two decades, lends nothing to new conversation.

It's not new, it's not clever, it's definitely not a hot take, and generally creates a conversational quagmire.

Besides, we can't all be poor. Some of us can purchase what we feel like.

If you can’t scrape together $35, you have bigger problems, I’d think.

If you think it’s not worth $35, then congrats! You’ve made an economic decision.

If you just at whine about how expensive it is.... you’re just making noise.

That Terminator is awesome, and while I normally gripe about GW’s prices for HQ models, I don’t mind paying $35 for an exclusive I’d otherwise have to pay extra to get ahold of or wait for more unsavory sources to start carrying it. There’s no reason for that Terminator to be exclusive besides “Buy Primaris!” anyways.

I thought that SM Librarian was a previous model. Am I wrong?

 zend wrote:
That Terminator is awesome, and while I normally gripe about GW’s prices for HQ models, I don’t mind paying $35 for an exclusive I’d otherwise have to pay extra to get ahold of or wait for more unsavory sources to start carrying it. There’s no reason for that Terminator to be exclusive besides “Buy Primaris!” anyways.

It was designed as an event exclusive, and well, you know... probably no events until late summer, if then.

 insaniak wrote:

I mean, I've been guilty of complaining about prices from time to time in the past myself... but there comes a point where you just have to accept that GW's prices are high, have always been high, and will always be high, and it generally stops actually being particularly noteworthy.

I think it is reasonable to recognize that there are points when the temperature is cranked up so fast that even the frogs in the boiling water notice and croak if not jump out. I don't think this particular SOB is one personally have been ridiculous all edition and that this is just a continuation or at worst a slight incremental bump from the $35 Sister Novena of 2019. For a while things were getting better with large boxed sets offering good value in the post-Kirby era like the HH boxed sets but we seem to be returning to the more detestable previous pricing model of recent. YMMV.

If there are people willing to pay $35 for Malibu Stacey with a blue hat, GW is smart to sell them.

Make as much as you can off big spenders.