yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.
Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?
Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?
Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.
I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.
But it's not a joke. We've confirmed from the WHU box that they really are stuffing it full of overpriced paraphernalia instead of actual models.
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.
Outside of loot boxes, 'Whale' is usually referring to people who will buy almost anything and everything that a company produces. GW has a great many of those. These could be at a 20% discount and they'd probably have sold out about as quickly. Even if the consistency of these 'supply crates' is poor, people will still lap them up because, "THIS TIME I might luck out and get stuff I really want, that'll make up for it!"
yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.
Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?
Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?
Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.
I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.
But it's not a joke. We've confirmed from the WHU box that they really are stuffing it full of overpriced paraphernalia instead of actual models.
I'll copy & paste this again - from the product pages -
This Imperium Supply Drop has been chosen by our crafty pickers to contain a vast array of awesome Imperium-themed kits. But just what are they? You’ll have to order your own set to find out…
This Warhammer Underworlds Supply Drop contains lots of Warhammer Underworlds goodies, including accessories, expansions and maybe even more. But just what are they? You'll have to order your own set to find out...
yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.
Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?
Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?
Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.
I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.
But it's not a joke.
If you mean that it’s unfunny, tiresome and incorrect then yes, we are in total agreement
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.
Outside of loot boxes, 'Whale' is usually referring to people who will buy almost anything and everything that a company produces. GW has a great many of those. These could be at a 20% discount and they'd probably have sold out about as quickly. Even if the consistency of these 'supply crates' is poor, people will still lap them up because, "THIS TIME I might luck out and get stuff I really want, that'll make up for it!"
And that's their choice. You may consider it wasteful, but then many people would find unopened boxes of miniatures collecting dust in the basement to be just as wasteful. We're all imperfect consumers, and claiming some moral high ground is both childish and dumb.
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP
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Whale is a wholly appropriate term for someone who throws 75£ at a company willy nilly with no thought or consideration of what they are getting for the money, essentially not buying anything but giving GW money out of habit or addiction.
This.
Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.
But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.
Grimtuff wrote: Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.
Grimtuff wrote: But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.
Well, it's not like GW customers don't spend money. GW prices are hardly for hobbyists who don't have money to spend on the hobby. £75 for a limited supply box may be too much or too much trouble to get for your average hobbyist, but not for GW's target audience.
Then again, it's not normal for people at our age to spend as much money as we do on the hobby, anyway. There's a good reason why big box stores have only recently carried games over $50 and still do not sell miniatures for painting and hobby paints.
If you don’t have the cash to hand then your mind is already made up, you don’t buy it.
The issue is that you are trying to project your own lifestyle on to others and treat them the same.
Knowing the set is half price, most picked it up to break down and sell on.
That’s not throwing away £75, that’s an investment.
Now, the way you call it a “box of crap” shows a pure bias towards it already.
So you have literally made your own opinion based on your situation and then vented about it towards any that are in a different situation.
Dropping £75 for a return of around £110-£120 isn’t a bad thing.
Now, that’s providing you don’t want any of the contents.
Either way you will break even or come out above the initial price.
Smart investments don’t make someone a whale.
It simply shows they know how to recycle a deal to their advantage.
yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.
Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?
Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?
Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.
I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.
Mate, with the best will in the world, you seem a lot more worked up about this than I am. I mean you just wrote like six sentences attacking me for having an opinion you didn't like. I don't think I'm the one who's sounding irrationally worked up here.
If you disagree with my opinion that's totally fine. I obviously disagree with yours too. But making it into some personal sniping fest is neither a good way to post nor a good way to convince others that you're the rational one in the discussion.
Grimtuff wrote: Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.
So don't buy the box?
I'm not planning on (nor could I because they're sold out). I despise the concept of "loot crates" and am voicing my opinion on why I think people are foolish for enabling GW and GW enabling its frankly addict customers by dangling this in their faces.
This is a thread where people post their opinions on things, on a board where people post their opinions on things. That's literally what this place is for. Getting worked up because someone disagreed with yours seems like a good clue that someone might need to take a bit of a break and cool down.
It's funny and rather ironic that's it's usually the pro-GW "positive" posters who generally have the most trouble avoiding making things personal and who react most aggressively to people posting things they disagree with.
If you don't think lootboxes are a problem, or you don't think these are lootboxes, or you think calling people who buy this thing whales is inappropriate and not useful (which I kinda agree with), or whatever else...great! Express that opinion in a way that doesn't involve personally attacking people. It's not hard, and people will also be more likely to pay attention to it.
But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.
I'll never forget the GW post where they said they were inundated with people asking how they could 'support the company' despite their ongoing record profits and lack of debt, and that the voucher offer was there because people just could not wait to throw money -directly- at GW. At least junkies get some kind of temporary high from their drugs. Maybe GW can start hiring financial dominatrices who wear Primaris helmets and GW staffer tees instead of latex or something.
yukishiro1 wrote: This is a thread where people post their opinions on things, on a board where people post their opinions on things. That's literally what this place is for. Getting worked up because someone disagreed with yours seems like a good clue that someone might need to take a bit of a break and cool down.
I don't think we needed two further illustrations of my point; there were enough in the thread already. I will look forward with interest to what actually ends up being in the box, as I'm sure the rest of you will as well. Until then, it doesn't seem productive to keep trying to have a conversation with people insistent on making everything personal.
All snarkiness aside, I would not be at all surprised to see things like Crusaders or Ratlings. Presumably something Space Marine will get thrown in - maybe one of the 15 different lieutenant sculpts. Maybe easy to build intercessors? A piece of terrain is a pretty good bet too.
yukishiro1 wrote: All snarkiness aside, I would not be at all surprised to see things like Crusaders or Ratlings. Presumably something Space Marine will get thrown in - maybe one of the 15 different lieutenant sculpts. Maybe easy to build intercessors?
Easy to build I reckon is a sure thing, 1st born probably , and for no reason a sentinel.
I'd be surprised if they included non-plastic kits. As others have stated, these boxes are usually for things that they have in abundance in storage. Do you really think they have hundreds of pewter models (or more specifically, hundreds of any given pewter model) lying around they've just been saving for a rainy day?
I think what people forget is that these are not like loot boxes in video games, which are just code and can just be generated as much as possible.
These are physical products, that actually take time to produce.
Again, though, you'd have to assume that they have a couple hundred, say, Warrior Acolytes lying around in order for it to be something they could include in the box for and an entire region, and I just don't think that's the case. I doubt they keep more than a few dozen of any given finecast kit in stock since it doesn't take much time to do a production run if they do get a rush on those things. I just find it far more likely you'd see things like IG heavy weapons teams or the Primaris ETBs they've been making round the clock for the last few years.
Given the return rate due to issues, I doubt finecast will be in it.
It would likely result in them having to run another batch just to replace poor models.
I honestly think it’s going to be plastic kits only.
Given the wording, they make no mention of aids or accessories in the 40k one, so cards etc seem likely to be out too.
Looking at their business model I’d also rule out anything already discounted to them, so start collecting sets I’d say are a no.
My guess would be cadian/catachan infantry, regular marines etc.
I would say easy to build sets but those seem to sell well enough that I’m not sure they’d have massed stock of them.
Due to the popularity before constant price hikes though, a rhino may make it into the box.
I don't imagine that every box will be identical, bur given price banding, would still make it easy to make up boxes of equal value with one from column A value £30, 1 from column B value £15 etc
but even given that I doubt we'll see anything but plastic, since that's easy and quick to make again when they have finished moving the warehouse
and while it might be tempting to include stuff that's recently been withdrawn customers would legitimately be able to sat those items were worth 'nothing' as gw no longer sold them and they'd been purged from the website
I don't think there's going to be metal in it. Overstock of that can easily go back into the smelter.
I bought the Underworlds box. I've always had some interest in the game, but never really got into it before so I did not really care what was going to be in it, chances are I'll be able to use everything anyway.
And tbh I like the carry case, I hope I'll get one in my pack.
Dropping £75 for a return of around £110-£120 isn’t a bad thing.
Now, that’s providing you don’t want any of the contents.
Either way you will break even or come out above the initial price.
Smart investments don’t make someone a whale.
It simply shows they know how to recycle a deal to their advantage.
Just a thought... if GW can't sell this stuff at retail with all their advertising and clout, why would you consider it an investment?
They do sell stuff at retail.
Massed stock can be a product of over production, lower sales on that kit or in general, poor stock keeping.
And it’s simple.
People love deals.
Someone may not want something or wants it but not for retail.
The second you drop it by 20% of retail it becomes far more attractive to someone.
Even selling it all at 20% off (lower than most eBay sellers) that’s £120 from a £75 product.
This also isn't probably some grand plan to launch a new business model (though it might happen again), it's more resetting the warehouses and factories. There's going to be a bunch of low volume things that would have sold if every FLG on the planet was open but that wasn't the case, and that stuff is now taking up space.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't imagine that every box will be identical, bur given price banding, would still make it easy to make up boxes of equal value with one from column A value £30, 1 from column B value £15 etc
but even given that I doubt we'll see anything but plastic, since that's easy and quick to make again when they have finished moving the warehouse
and while it might be tempting to include stuff that's recently been withdrawn customers would legitimately be able to sat those items were worth 'nothing' as gw no longer sold them and they'd been purged from the website
I think they said that every box Would be identical (regionally) Though.
So if the Underworlds box we have seen is for UK? I’d like to see what other regions got.
40K Imperium supply box in Italy (don't know if it's identical to other countries):
- Sallies Adrax Agatone
- DA Master Lazarus
- BA Mephiston
- SoB Arco-flagellants
- WS Korsarro Khan
- SW Fenrisian Wolves
- SM Bikes
Aenar wrote: 40K Imperium supply box in Italy (don't know if it's identical to other countries):
- Sallies Adrax Agatone
- DA Master Lazarus
- BA Mephiston
- SoB Arco-flagellants
- WS Korsarro Khan
- SW Fenrisian Wolves
- SM Bikes
Pics not mine, from a fb group
Spoiler:
That's more newer stock than I expected; thought it would all be stuff like SM bikes or Guard infantry. Most of those are under 12 months old.
So people buying the Imperium box are basically breaking even, assuming they can sell each of the SM characters for £20 each, they'll be left with some useless unsellable Wolves, mini-bikes, and if there's even a 50/50 chance that they want the Arco-flags and are in profit
JWBS wrote: So people buying the Imperium box are basically breaking even, assuming they can sell each of the SM characters for £20 each, they'll be left with some useless unsellable Wolves, mini-bikes, and if there's even a 50/50 chance that they want the Arco-flags and are in profit
You might want to check places like eBay for sold listings before spouting nonsense.
All of that sells just fine for 10-20% off retail price.
So the people that picked this up to sell made a decent profit from it.
Even the old bikes are popular due to WS players alone.
Doesn’t matter what parts you keep or sell, people have got far more than the initial £75 for it.
Ironically the set is better than expected too as it’s not packed with ancient kits.
JWBS wrote: So people buying the Imperium box are basically breaking even, assuming they can sell each of the SM characters for £20 each, they'll be left with some useless unsellable Wolves, mini-bikes, and if there's even a 50/50 chance that they want the Arco-flags and are in profit
You might want to check places like eBay for sold listings before spouting nonsense.
All of that sells just fine for 10-20% off retail price.
So the people that picked this up to sell made a decent profit from it.
Even the old bikes are popular due to WS players alone.
Doesn’t matter what parts you keep or sell, people have got far more than the initial £75 for it.
Ironically the set is better than expected too as it’s not packed with ancient kits.
All of your posts in this thread have been so peevish but maybe that's your standard. This situation is entirely bereft of irony btw.
Look at all those characters and units you cannot use together. Don't worry though, there might be something good in the next one! For realsies! Just gotta not tell the wife and eat only super noodles for the next month, then I can get that kit I just have to get! Because FOMO!
JWBS wrote: So people buying the Imperium box are basically breaking even, assuming they can sell each of the SM characters for £20 each, they'll be left with some useless unsellable Wolves, mini-bikes, and if there's even a 50/50 chance that they want the Arco-flags and are in profit
You might want to check places like eBay for sold listings before spouting nonsense.
All of that sells just fine for 10-20% off retail price.
So the people that picked this up to sell made a decent profit from it.
Even the old bikes are popular due to WS players alone.
Doesn’t matter what parts you keep or sell, people have got far more than the initial £75 for it.
Ironically the set is better than expected too as it’s not packed with ancient kits.
All of your posts in this thread have been so peevish but maybe that's your standard. This situation is entirely bereft of irony btw.
So stating something that is factually wrong is fine, but calling someone on it is “peevish”?
It’s funny though.
People start off complaining about something, as it develops and their complaint becomes moot they shift the goal posts a bit more each time.
The set holds value above its price, which is a good thing.
People complain endlessly that GW never really have any discounts or deals past SCB or starter sets, then complain when one comes up.
Granted, it’s not ideal as the only real benefit to these sets would be resale due to the random nature.
Hoping it shows them that this can clear stuff though.
I wouldn’t mind seeing more sets (preferably not blind) in the future.
Just find it amusing that several people in this thread whine about the contents before even knowing what it is, then state they aren’t buying it anyway.
I forgot though, it’s a cool thing on here to attack a company for everything it does, rather than just the mistakes they make (all too often)
Edit:
Grim - why eat super noodles when making a profit on something? Surely it’s the other way around.
And if someone got this set with specific kits in mind then it’s pure stupidity on their part.
If it’s a random heavily discounted set then you are either brand new or you buy it to sell on.
Look at all those characters and units you cannot use together. Don't worry though, there might be something good in the next one! For realsies! Just gotta not tell the wife and eat only super noodles for the next month, then I can get that kit I just have to get! Because FOMO!
Personally I'd have called it a "Marine" bag instead of an Imperial (cause Imperial makes me think of guard); but otherwise the sort of person getting a gab-bag isn't likely building an army from it. So having character models is more likely a boon for them. They are more likely to want models for conversion fodder or for wanting things to build and paint. So characters might actually be better for them than troops.
Like I said I'd have called at least the Italian one a "marine bag", but otherwise its not a bad bunch of project models to work with for those who want that.
sure if you're building armies and building to a list then its a hopeless box; but then again if that was your approach you'd not be interested in a gab-bag set anyway. So its just different markets.
DiscoKing wrote: I imagine the newer characters are there because there are getting reboxed. The Primaris Librarian for instance has gone from box to blister pack.
I really hope this means people voted with their wallets and didn't bite stupid prices of these characters leaving them unsold. I know I took multiple looks at these for conversion then eventually shrugged and passed, what clown came up with these especially seeing first two primaris DA and BA characters had far more reasonable price?
Funnily enough people ran mathhammer on it, and old bikes are pretty much even points for points with the new primaris ones (yes, the same ones some whiny kids declared ""OP"" without ever seeing them in action) on top of being much more flexible due to actual gun and melee options. I guess one of the top two SM units (next to grav devastators) of this edition is 'useless' and no one will buy it, certainly not meta chasers
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.
Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?
You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.
Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.
If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.
All minis, so already better than I was expecting. And with the exception of the DA character, they all seem to be unopened, which is nice for resellers. The contents remind me of the Heroes boxed set.
Would I have bought any of that suff full price? Not for myself. I did pick up the Salamander for The Boy, as that’s his army, and I’ve bought bikes in the past (not that I need more)
Would I buy any of that stuff if I could get it at a deep discount for a painting project? I wouldn’t mind putting a brush on Mephiston, and when I was playing more D&D, considered grabbing the wolves, as they are nice looking, and could spend some time on the battlegrid.
I think there is enough stuff here I wouldn’t be disappointed if I had bought one. It’s a grab bag, you expect a mixed lot.
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.
Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?
You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.
Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.
If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.
I'm not using my own standards of living. I'm just laughing at people who chucked money at this.
But apparently I seem to have to justify everything I post ITT to you... Keep defending sweet lady GW though, I'm sure she cannot take these barbs!
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.
Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?
You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.
Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.
If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.
I'm not using my own standards of living. I'm just laughing at people who chucked money at this.
But apparently I seem to have to justify everything I post ITT to you... Keep defending sweet lady GW though, I'm sure she cannot take these barbs!
So you’re laughing at people that made money? Makes sense I guess.
You don’t have to justify anything, you choose to.
But don’t act surprised if you say something untrue and get called on it.
So far you haven’t shown how this is bad from a profiting standpoint.
All you have done is throw out childish retorts and accusations based on nothing.
Should read more of my posts before you go straight to the “defending” comment.
That’s basically a “I can’t think of anything else to say” statement at this point.
GW does plenty of stupid things and I’m more than happy to call them on it.
But calling them out on a set that results in profit for customers? Why the hell would you call them out for something that benefits players/collectors?
I was really tempted to get the Imperium Supply Drop and if the Australian one is anything like the Italian I'm going to be really disappointed I didn't. That looks like a great selection of models and well worth the gamble.
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.
Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?
You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.
Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.
If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.
Loving his argument of "if you buy something I don't personally want, you have an addiction".
Even though I didn't buy in this time and don't collect most of those factions shown above, at half price the characters would have made very interesting little painting projects. I would have been pretty content getting those and selling on what I could.
"Profit for customers"? Don't make me laugh. You know that much of this will not be sold on. It will left to rot in a box somewhere in a cupboard. Most gamers will not flip it, more still won't even have the means to.
I am around a lot of other gamers and have been for many years. I know what the demographics of them are and the bankers and stockbrokers making six figures don't come round our way. A load of people have been suckered in by GW and now they're paying the price (literally).
I’ve bought one, in Australia, if our box is similar to the Italian one I’ll be stoked, only need to sell off the bikes.
My only gripe would be I was hoping for something AdMech, but realistically, I can trade for that, or buy it myself.
Loving his argument of "if you buy something I don't personally want, you have an addiction".
Not been around Reddit et al much have you? That will give you a good cross-section of people that bought this (and everything else) that they cannot actually afford. I've seen it multiple times and it is not an isolated incident. GW preys on FOMO culture right now and it is cringe worthy how many people bite.
Grimtuff wrote: "Profit for customers"? Don't make me laugh. You know that much of this will not be sold on. It will left to rot in a box somewhere in a cupboard. Most gamers will not flip it, more still won't even have the means to.
I am around a lot of other gamers and have been for many years. I know what the demographics of them are and the bankers and stockbrokers making six figures don't come round our way. A load of people have been suckered in by GW and now they're paying the price (literally).
Selling it results in a profit - fact.
Stating players will not sell them and just leave them about - opinion based on nothing.
No means to flip it? Discord, dakka, eBay, Amazon, etsy, just about any other miniature forum.
If they ordered it online they have the means to sell it online.
More assumptions based on nothing, except you somehow know the demographics of an entire player base, or have a sample size large enough to get accurate statistics.
Also stating that anyone who is well off for money isn’t interested in the hobby? This is based on what? The people you know again?
You release that a lot of actors/singers are in the hobby, right? There is no restriction based on being too rich.
At this point, try to state something with some actual facts rather than an opinion of knowing everything but failing to prove it.
Funnily enough people ran mathhammer on it, and old bikes are pretty much even points for points with the new primaris ones (yes, the same ones some whiny kids declared ""OP"" without ever seeing them in action) on top of being much more flexible due to actual gun and melee options. I guess one of the top two SM units (next to grav devastators) of this edition is 'useless' and no one will buy it, certainly not meta chasers
Yeah I know, I was being mildly facetious. In the same way that those fairly ugly wolves models are of use to someone, there are definitely at least four to seven people out there that will genuinely want to buy some mini-bikes because they're about as good as new bigboy bikes ingame, making this blind-buy an absolute bargain for a non-zero number of people out there instead of just the impulse buy of a desperate addict
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
Have fun trying to flip those minis when the market will be flooded with them.
Except I never got one, go back and read previous posts here.
“Flooded” with something that had a limited number of releases?
You realise that SC sets don’t drop prices by much and they are an item that isn’t limited to quantity.
Sounds more like a sour post on your part here if anything.
If I had an addiction I’d be buying the sets, however, I can afford to buy them and still eat, so please don’t use your own standards of living and apply them to others.
I'm not using my own standards of living. I'm just laughing at people who chucked money at this.
But apparently I seem to have to justify everything I post ITT to you... Keep defending sweet lady GW though, I'm sure she cannot take these barbs!
You can laugh at people all you want (although it seems kind of pathetic, but whatever floats your boat). But personally i wish i actually did pick one up now. There's a lot of stuff and bits i could have used in that and for a decent price too. Oh well, next time.
Wow, the imperium box looks better than I dared hope, most of those kits are pretty new (to me at least ).
If mine has even half of the quality of the one posted above I will be over the moon.
For whatever reason, this thread has brought out a lot of negative, bitter posts, seemingly the vast majority from people who could not or did not order one.
Maybe the people who claimed that it would be full of water pots, dice, "6 Cadian Heavy Weapon Teams", combat gauges, or orther worthless tat will be fair enough to admit that they got it wrong this time. Maybe
And for the people who, after seeing the contents, are still claiming that you couldnt make a profit on that stuff if you chose to put the unwanted items on ebay...well, you clearly don't understand how to sell on ebay.
Congrats to everybody who was lucky enough to get one, and good luck to everyone if they decide to take the plunge next time!
While there are a couple of things in there that are certainly slow sellers, I dare say this was more of an exercise in cashflow, not moving old stock. Win-win.
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
But I didn't get a lemon - I got a centipede (tomb stalker ).
Anyway like I said you're simply viewing this whole situation through the eyes of someone who wants specific models without considering that people buy models for reasons other than gameplay. For someone with an extensive collection or who is more into building and painting random grab-bags at discount are a neat thing for them. It's not a gab-bag for everyone and GW never made it out to be like that.
Also I'd wager many of those who "cannot afford" are likely being somewhat hyperbolic. Redit is full of such viewpoints (often from teens who can never afford anything it seems ). Regardless I'm sure any who want to sell stuff on will and if not they are neat models.
In the end I'd not get the Imperial one; I'd get a Adepticus Titanticus or an Escher or terrain or specific Xenos one sure. Heck I'd be tempted by a Warcry one.
nice box, notting i could really use, but for a blind buy its great. im not a gambler and i hate selling minitures so thats my reson not to buy. but gratz to the poeple that did buy it hope you have some stuff you like and you can
make a bit off money with the rest. or start a new army
Grimtuff wrote: Mate, it's not our fault GW have sold you a lemon and you're trying to justify your spending addiction.
But I didn't get a lemon - I got a centipede (tomb stalker ).
Anyway like I said you're simply viewing this whole situation through the eyes of someone who wants specific models without considering that people buy models for reasons other than gameplay. For someone with an extensive collection or who is more into building and painting random grab-bags at discount are a neat thing for them. It's not a gab-bag for everyone and GW never made it out to be like that.
Also I'd wager many of those who "cannot afford" are likely being somewhat hyperbolic. Redit is full of such viewpoints (often from teens who can never afford anything it seems ). Regardless I'm sure any who want to sell stuff on will and if not they are neat models.
In the end I'd not get the Imperial one; I'd get a Adepticus Titanticus or an Escher or terrain or specific Xenos one sure. Heck I'd be tempted by a Warcry one.
Right? Gotta act a fool so to validate one's rage.
I'd love those minis. A couple would make great presents for friends. A couple for the painting display to inspire the kids. Bits for conversions.
Some people really need to learn to unwind their bs.
I would be happy with that , i don't game just collect and paint and dont have any of those models, didn't buy a box though as I thought it was going to be much worse to be honest.
Dudeface wrote: It's weird, they can offer blind product at 50% off and that's cheap enough for people to launch at it until they're sold out, regardless of contents. Hopefully it might show them that if they lower prices there would be a feeding frenzy.
hahahahahahahaha
*Takes a deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
Nothing, absolutely nothing, in this box is free, and if you think it is you are just training yourself in bad consumption habits.
insaniak wrote: So long as they tell you at the time of purchase, this isn't a problem.
No, not under EU law
Online purchase of any kind has always a 14 days refund, without the need for a reason as long as the costumer did not use the item
so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Aenar wrote: 40K Imperium supply box in Italy (don't know if it's identical to other countries):
- Sallies Adrax Agatone
- DA Master Lazarus
- BA Mephiston
- SoB Arco-flagellants
- WS Korsarro Khan
- SW Fenrisian Wolves
- SM Bikes
Pics not mine, from a fb group
Spoiler:
That's more newer stock than I expected; thought it would all be stuff like SM bikes or Guard infantry. Most of those are under 12 months old.
Makes a strange amount of sense to have it be a bunch of named characters. Those are actually some of the hardest models to shift. You on;y ever need one, and only if you have that one specific subfaction.
diepotato47 wrote: While there are a couple of things in there that are certainly slow sellers, I dare say this was more of an exercise in cashflow, not moving old stock. Win-win.
Named special characters for marine subfactions aren't normally mega sellers. Especially if over produced. This is still stock clearing, it's just the stock they need to clear is newer than people supposed.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
I think I need to take a break from posting for a while, I’m a bit tired of the same topics being rehashed and the same posters being relentlessly negative.
kodos wrote: so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Not going to happen.
If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted. Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.
kodos wrote: so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Not going to happen.
If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted . Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.
.And GW are well aware of all this,
Yeah, there's no argument that GW can use to avoid refunds if people ask for them from EU countries. And this won't be a protracted, drawn out legal battle. Here in the UK it will be fill out online form to claim against GW in small claims court and pay the filing fee, pop down to your local magistrates court on your given date, hand over your receipt and copy of your request for a refund and then listen to the ruling in your favour.
It's bizarre that they sold them packaged in the original packaging. I am trying to return a Mephiston right now, hope this doesn't cause them to reject my request because they'll be suspicious whether it's someone trying to scam them by returning something they bought at half price for full credit. I suppose if they've tracked the serial numbers they'll be able to distinguish, but it's not something they've ever cared about with returns before, so it'd be very Gee-dubs if they weren't set up to handle it.
yukishiro1 wrote: It's bizarre that they sold them packaged in the original packaging. I am trying to return a Mephiston right now, hope this doesn't cause them to reject my request because they'll be suspicious whether it's someone trying to scam them by returning something they bought at half price for full credit.
As long as you have your receipt it will be fine as you can prove it was paid for separately.
I don't, that's the issue (got it as a gift). In the past they've always been happy to take unopened stuff for online store credit, whether you have a receipt or not. I hope they don't use this as an excuse to change the policy, that flexible return policy is honestly the best thing about how GW runs its business.
yukishiro1 wrote: I don't, that's the issue (got it as a gift). In the past they've always been happy to take unopened stuff for online store credit, whether you have a receipt or not. I hope they don't use this as an excuse to change the policy, that flexible return policy is honestly the best thing about how GW runs its business.
It just means they have been lenient.
Legally they can ask for proof of purchase (receipt, card statement etc) and if you don’t have it, they have no obligation to accept a return.
Edit: The drops weren’t available in the US were they?
That may actually help your case.
It's not really a matter of being lenient, they have been clear in the past that their policy is to take unopened stuff for store credit, so people act in reliance on that. And they do it because it makes them money - even if the person bought it from some other place, their margins are so high that giving store credit in return for getting the thing back to sell a second time makes them money overall. It's not done out of the goodness of their heart, it's because it makes economic sense.
I already submitted the request (with a photo) before the boxes went on sale, so I assume in this particular request they will be able to see it couldn't possibly be someone returning a Mephiston they got from the lootbox, especially since they weren't available here in the US. I just hope it doesn't mean they'll start being more difficult about returns in the future.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
No, the reason they don't do sales is that they believe it devalues their product.
And really, blind bags of random kits at a massive discount does more for that than sales ever could by highlighting how overpriced these kits are.
The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.
The big issue here is that GW has sold marines for 30 years. If they start to devalue their product and the prices start heading downward then GW can end up in a precarious position where the perceived value of their product is going down, but the price to do business and inflation is going up. Computer games have had issues with this as big things like steam sales have driven prices down and down causing people to complain and wait for sales far more so. It was a muted element for a while because computer games enjoyed a vast market growth which let their prices stagnate for a long while; but they have steadily gone up over the last decade or so (at least for console and AAA games).
It's a tricky balance, but for GW what works are things like Christmas bundles and bundle blocks whereby they aren't devaluing marines, just the bundle that happens to include marines and which might or might not come around again.
Of course we can argue about the base price and consider that it imght want lowering or such; but sales mess with things. It's a big issue for GW because, as noted, their products are long term not short term.
The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.
Plus the only other time I've seen GW offer big discount on things is when that range is ending, such as the Epic 40k stock sell off when that got canned, or 2E codexes before 3E came out.
If I saw space marines at half price my first thought would be "that unit is getting Squatted"
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
No, the reason they don't do sales is that they believe it devalues their product.
And really, blind bags of random kits at a massive discount does more for that than sales ever could by highlighting how overpriced these kits are.
The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.
The big issue here is that GW has sold marines for 30 years. If they start to devalue their product and the prices start heading downward then GW can end up in a precarious position where the perceived value of their product is going down, but the price to do business and inflation is going up. Computer games have had issues with this as big things like steam sales have driven prices down and down causing people to complain and wait for sales far more so. It was a muted element for a while because computer games enjoyed a vast market growth which let their prices stagnate for a long while; but they have steadily gone up over the last decade or so (at least for console and AAA games).
It's a tricky balance, but for GW what works are things like Christmas bundles and bundle blocks whereby they aren't devaluing marines, just the bundle that happens to include marines and which might or might not come around again.
Of course we can argue about the base price and consider that it imght want lowering or such; but sales mess with things. It's a big issue for GW because, as noted, their products are long term not short term.
A huge part of the sag in video gaming drops in value actually came from the used game market. Video games always cost 60$ new regardless of the platform unless it is indie. So consoles have the same pricing issues as PC games, but due more to the used market rather than sales. Besides, there is a thriving portion of the market happy to purchase games and DLC at full price each time around. The thing that is cheapening these games is time as hype dies down and people are already drooling for the next big game. There is a fair bit of waiting before they go on sale or in the case of consoles, games cycle back to the used shelf at the local GameStop or whatever.
The entire hobby boardgame industry's been devalued. You can't even post a 20% discount on BGG Hot Deals or r/boardgaming, because that's the standard discount from OLGS's. MAPP is a standard pricing practice, which FFG and Privateer Press, implement *exactly* to prevent reduction in "perceived value".
No one I know still pays MSRP or even MSRP-15% for GW. And eBay seems like the last place one could expect to list widely circulated product for near MSRP and sell it.
This was certainly an interesting experiment. Imperium supply drop looks now like potential win-win-win scenario. GW makes profit, middle man either keeps the stuff or sells with small profit, giving someone else a discount. Everyone is happy (except Dakka).
Yeah, there's nothing in the Imperium box I'd've been actively annoyed by getting had I seen the post/email in time to order on. While I don't have a Salamanders ro White Scar army, the characters are nice enough sculpts, so I'd either paint them myself, or use them as a reason to get a couple of models commission painted instead.
porkuslime wrote: So, that Italian FB image.. in the 40k Imperium box is a Beastgrave terrain box? Is that right?
Any chance someone dropped that in there on accident?
I'm guessing they also got the Underworld blind box; one of the items in that was the Beastgrave terrain. If true, that might indicate that the items in this box will be the same in other countries.
I think people who just want to pay GW some money and get some random minis to paint will be happy enough with that selection. There's some good models in there (mixed in with some junk).
It's super lame for someone trying to actually run an army, though. Literally half the box is mutually exclusive space marine characters and/or faction restricted garbage like the wolves. And then some arcos, which nobody runs anyway, and which you can't run with any of the other stuff either. The SM bikes (also kinda junk) are literally the only kit in the thing that can be run with any of the other kits. And of course if you already have any of the armies involved, you're almost certain to either (1) already have a copy of that special character if it's good, or (2) have made an active decision not to buy it because it isn't good.
tld;dr: Pretty good value for a collector, borderline useless for actually playing the game.
yukishiro1 wrote: I think people who just want to pay GW some money and get some random minis to paint will be happy enough with that selection. There's some good models in there (mixed in with some junk).
It's super lame for someone trying to actually run an army, though. Literally half the box is mutually exclusive space marine characters and/or faction restricted garbage like the wolves. And then some arcos, which nobody runs anyway, and which you can't run with any of the other stuff either. The SM bikes (also kinda junk) are literally the only kit in the thing that can be run with any of the other kits. And of course if you already have any of the armies involved, you're almost certain to either (1) already have a copy of that special character if it's good, or (2) have made an active decision not to buy it because it isn't good.
tld;dr: Pretty good value for a collector, borderline useless for actually playing the game.
So you were expecting a 200€ start collecting bundle for 100€?
A perfectly matched set of minis, for half the price.
Yeah right. Like that was going to happen.
I saw the Spanish one and is also pretty good bargain given you know you are getting assorted models
Aenar wrote: 40K Imperium supply box in Italy (don't know if it's identical to other countries):
- Sallies Adrax Agatone
- DA Master Lazarus
- BA Mephiston
- SoB Arco-flagellants
- WS Korsarro Khan
- SW Fenrisian Wolves
- SM Bikes
Pics not mine, from a fb group
Spoiler:
If this is the case, it pretty closely matches my expectation (in terms of value at least).
Great discount off MSRP, but completely and utterly pointless for many "Imperium" players. If you're playing Space Marines, especially multiple chapters or are heavy into conversions, awesome, but not a single thing I'd have been interested to actually get for my part, and I'd have been stuck trying to resell a bunch of stuff and be lucky to make back what I paid if I spent the time and effort to resell it all myself in any timely fashion.
As a collector and painter those 2 reports of whats in the box are promising and i certainly wouldnt be complaining about them if thats what i got. yeah a couple of items id have no use for, but even if i sold them at 50% of retail id still be "breaking even" and wont be out of pocket.
Has anyone seen anymore reports of whats inside the boxes?
Look at all those characters and units you cannot use together. Don't worry though, there might be something good in the next one! For realsies! Just gotta not tell the wife and eat only super noodles for the next month, then I can get that kit I just have to get! Because FOMO!
You spelt 'conversion fodder' wrong...
Even with my general aversion to Primaris, I wouldn't have been too unhappy with that box.
The only part you miss out on is the discount price. Which if you're not inclined to get blind boxes (eg because you want to build a specific army with specific models) then you're not the target market; but heck who knows if GW sold enough yo ucould pick up parted ones on ebay fairly easily.
EnTyme wrote: So, your point was the box was good value for what GW said it would be for, but bad value for something it was never billed as.
My point was what I wrote. Why do you keep trying to ascribe "points" to me that aren't what I said? Can't you just stick to making your own points? Not everybody has some big agenda to push with every comment they make. Why not just read what people write instead of making stuff up and pretending they said that instead?
I said exactly what I meant: it's pretty good value for someone who doesn't care about playing the game with the models they get, and pretty terrible value for someone who was hoping to start a new army (to whom, incidentally and contrary to what you wrote, they did specifically market it), or otherwise use the models they got to play the game the models are for.
It sounds like you agree with that, so I'm not sure why it's provoking such controversy or confusion?
I don't think it was a particularly effective FOMO appeal, but the literal title of the post on Warhammer Community is "Mystery Models. Unmissable Prices," and then the article goes on to say:
The answer is simple – mysterious models at a price you can’t miss.
And then:
While we may do more Supply Drops in the future, these two won’t be around forever. Make sure to order yours right now!
These are all explicit attempts to leverage FOMO. Like I said, I'm not sure it was a very effective FOMO pitch. But EnTyme might want to tell GW themselves that nothing about this was FOMO, because GW's own marketing department clearly thought otherwise.
Even if its FOMO surely gw has the right to do it, I have no opinion either way , but it appears to have been effective, and there business is to sell plastic models.
So at no point are people responsible for their own actions and self control?
Just blame everything around them because they are unable to control themselves?
Evil corporations tempting poor people into spending their own money.
If you can not control your own spending then miniatures are the least of your worries.
Marxist artist wrote: Even if its FOMO surely gw has the right to do it, I have no opinion either way , but it appears to have been effective, and there business is to sell plastic models.
Having the right to do something and something being right to do can be very different things.
Jackal90 wrote: So at no point are people responsible for their own actions and self control?
Just blame everything around them because they are unable to control themselves?
Can you point to where anyone said this?
Again, please stop beating up straw men, it's a waste of everyone's time.
Speaking for myself, no, just the ones that explicitly market themselves using FOMO. No less than three times in the single PR release, in this case.
If explicitly saying "unmissable! supplies won't last! order yours your right now!" isn't FOMO, what on earth is?
I'd call it 'Promoting a sale the same way pretty much every other limited time sale on the planet is promoted', to be honest.
Sure, there's a level of FOMO in there... but I'm struggling to see how pointing out to people that if they want something, then they need to buy it while it's actually available is somehow a bad thing.
I'd say this was more FOMO due to the whole mystery box appeal and how limited the numbers seem to have been to have sold out so fast. If we knew what was in the boxes then I'd guess it'd be less so and more like a regular flash sale.
FOMO isn't inherently wrong either I think, it's just another marketing tool and depends on how it's used. When used with mystery or loot boxes in order to prey on people more susceptible to gambling problems, generally ripping them off, then yeh it is actually wrong. But, this wasn't the case here either since we didn't know what was in the boxes but that it'd still be 50% off so either way you did actually get value from it without any chance to it.
Speaking for myself, no, just the ones that explicitly market themselves using FOMO. No less than three times in the single PR release, in this case.
If explicitly saying "unmissable! supplies won't last! order yours your right now!" isn't FOMO, what on earth is?
I'd call it 'Promoting a sale the same way pretty much every other limited time sale on the planet is promoted', to be honest.
Sure, there's a level of FOMO in there... but I'm struggling to see how pointing out to people that if they want something, then they need to buy it while it's actually available is somehow a bad thing.
FOMO is a standard marketing technique. There's a reason we have an acronym for it. The fact that lots of people do it doesn't mean it isn't FOMO.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I only got into the FOMO discussion because someone said there was nothing FOMO about this, which I found a truly incredible take given that GW's marketing team itself used FOMO language three times in the post advertising it. I wasn't saying it was good or bad, just that it was the literal definition of leveraging FOMO.
Marxist artist wrote: Even if its FOMO surely gw has the right to do it, I have no opinion either way , but it appears to have been effective, and there business is to sell plastic models.
Having the right to do something and something being right to do can be very different things.
You are correct sir , but welcome to the world we live in!
As a society, we’ve seen the effects of Black Friday on consumer behavior for decades. It’s undeniable that some people have problems with even that. Companies have taken advantage of that to make money, which is what companies do.
In the last few years we’ve seen a real advancement in marketing and consumer psychology techniques. Companies will alter their marketing to take advantage of the susceptible minority. If you think that won’t affect price and availability for the items you want to buy, you are mistaken.
In essence, by itself each GW sales gimmick isn’t much to get worked up over. Taken as part of a whole with rising prices and deliberate product shortages, it indicates further trouble for most customers in the hobby.
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SagesStone wrote: I'd say this was more FOMO due to the whole mystery box appeal and how limited the numbers seem to have been to have sold out so fast. If we knew what was in the boxes then I'd guess it'd be less so and more like a regular flash sale.
FOMO isn't inherently wrong either I think, it's just another marketing tool and depends on how it's used. When used with mystery or loot boxes in order to prey on people more susceptible to gambling problems, generally ripping them off, then yeh it is actually wrong. But, this wasn't the case here either since we didn't know what was in the boxes but that it'd still be 50% off so either way you did actually get value from it without any chance to it.
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Like in all things, there is no binary good/bad but rather a spectrum of effects with every person sensitive at a different level of exposure. I’d prefer to start pushing back now instead of waiting for things to get worse. Price hikes are back, and that’s bad enough for me not to want to see what else GW cooks up.
yukishiro1 wrote: tld;dr: Pretty good value for a collector, borderline useless for actually playing the game.
That's pretty much it, although I'd say more "modeller" than "collector".
No reason why anyone has to jump down anyone's throat with this offer. I'm sure GW knows some hobbyists are interested in their models for themselves, not necessarily as gaming pieces.
I think GW models are great, but I'm not going to pay even half price. I have a fair number of them through trades, game flea markets, Black Friday sales, etc. I don't think there's an army in there, but I play boardgames, anyway. I just like the models.
I wouldn't mind a GW grab bag of paints at a deep discount. It's not like I don't already have a few hundred paints from other companies (and a GW starter set I bought at a deep discount), so I wouldn't be using these GW paints exclusively on my models.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
I think I need to take a break from posting for a while, I’m a bit tired of the same topics being rehashed and the same posters being relentlessly negative.
Enjoy your supply boxes people
Sales devalue products?
Wow you'be drunk deep of the corporate kool aid. Let me guess, you also really prefer it if no dirty poors played the hobby either, they should really be busy pulling themselves into the sky by their own bootstraps.
kodos wrote: so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Not going to happen.
If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted. Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.
.And GW are well aware of all this,
Low fees are beyond many people requiring legal recourse.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
No, the reason they don't do sales is that they believe it devalues their product.
And really, blind bags of random kits at a massive discount does more for that than sales ever could by highlighting how overpriced these kits are.
The issue is that if you saw Marines in a box for sale at 50% off and if GW started doing sales would you buy Marines at full price? No you'd wait till they were 50% off again. So suddenly marines would slow in sales, not stop, but they would slow until they went on sale again. Suddenly GW would have to put Marines on sale to get the volume of sales up.
The big issue here is that GW has sold marines for 30 years. If they start to devalue their product and the prices start heading downward then GW can end up in a precarious position where the perceived value of their product is going down, but the price to do business and inflation is going up. Computer games have had issues with this as big things like steam sales have driven prices down and down causing people to complain and wait for sales far more so. It was a muted element for a while because computer games enjoyed a vast market growth which let their prices stagnate for a long while; but they have steadily gone up over the last decade or so (at least for console and AAA games).
It's a tricky balance, but for GW what works are things like Christmas bundles and bundle blocks whereby they aren't devaluing marines, just the bundle that happens to include marines and which might or might not come around again.
Of course we can argue about the base price and consider that it might want lowering or such; but sales mess with things. It's a big issue for GW because, as noted, their products are long term not short term.
And then GW could just.... do regular sales and move plenty of product because the word sales tickles peoples brains and gets them to buy more even when they weren't planning to.
Like, clothes stores don't permanently label their products as sales, Steam doesn't regularly rock sales, because it generates less money. Sales, shockingly, SELL. And GW's profit on a kit of plastic isn't razor thin. I guarentee you, GW is not saving itself any money here. It's leaving money on the table.
EnTyme wrote: Are all discounts going to be labelled as FOMO now? Is that the point we're at?
Yes. All limited time discounts and deals are trying to leverage FOMO. This is how marketing works. This is how marketing has always worked. How can you miss this? It's not even subtle. FOMO is one of the most basic bitch tools of marketing.
Speaking for myself, no, just the ones that explicitly market themselves using FOMO. No less than three times in the single PR release, in this case.
If explicitly saying "unmissable! supplies won't last! order yours your right now!" isn't FOMO, what on earth is?
I'd call it 'Promoting a sale the same way pretty much every other limited time sale on the planet is promoted', to be honest.
Sure, there's a level of FOMO in there... but I'm struggling to see how pointing out to people that if they want something, then they need to buy it while it's actually available is somehow a bad thing.
Because invoking FOMO isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it is an extremely common thing. I don't know why people get the brainbug in their head that if they like a product it can't have any sort of marketing manipulations attached because marketing is bad or something. It's like this idea that things have to be entirely pristine and pure as driven snow if they like it, because they couldn't like anything even slightly controversial or with a hint of manipulation for they are pure rational creatures or some gak, unmoved by the multibillion dollar industry's efforts to get people to buy their stuff.
It'd be better to acknowledge the tactics companies use to sell their products, regardless of if you want those products or not.
Look at all those characters and units you cannot use together. Don't worry though, there might be something good in the next one! For realsies! Just gotta not tell the wife and eat only super noodles for the next month, then I can get that kit I just have to get! Because FOMO!
You spelt 'conversion fodder' wrong...
Bingo. You either get something you want, something you didn't realize you wanted, or stuff for conversions or terrain or basing. The fact people are mad at this is pretty bizarre. I detest a lot of what GW does and I still think it's a great idea.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
I think I need to take a break from posting for a while, I’m a bit tired of the same topics being rehashed and the same posters being relentlessly negative.
Enjoy your supply boxes people
Sales devalue products?
Wow you'be drunk deep of the corporate kool aid. Let me guess, you also really prefer it if no dirty poors played the hobby either, they should really be busy pulling themselves into the sky by their own bootstraps.
Brand recognition very much is a thing. As is "perceived value".
Your second statement is just flamebaiting though.
Bingo. You either get something you want, something you didn't realize you wanted, or stuff for conversions or terrain or basing. The fact people are mad at this is pretty bizarre. I detest a lot of what GW does and I still think it's a great idea.
Hell, from that example, I wouldn't even have to try hard to slot them all into existing armies. Adrax would become a Chaos Sorcerer/Lord or an Iron Priest, Lazarus would fit into my Imperial Dragons Space Marine army, Mephiston would become another sorcerer or (more likely) just be something fun to paint, the Arco Flagellants become Chaos Cultists, the Khan (with some very minor modifications) and the wolves go into my Iron Wolves army, and I can use extra bikes in any of my Marine forces.
I absolutely get that the gaming value is more limited for people who have one army and no interest in anything outside of that specific force... but that's not really the customer that these are aimed at.
To be clear, I still have no interest in dropping $225 for one of these. But the claim that it has no gaming value is just way off base.
That's pretty much it, although I'd say more "modeller" than "collector".
No reason why anyone has to jump down anyone's throat with this offer. I'm sure GW knows some hobbyists are interested in their models for themselves, not necessarily as gaming pieces.
The vast majority of people who buy GW products do not play the games. GW has stated this several times in the past.
Bingo. You either get something you want, something you didn't realize you wanted, or stuff for conversions or terrain or basing. The fact people are mad at this is pretty bizarre. I detest a lot of what GW does and I still think it's a great idea.
Hell, from that example, I wouldn't even have to try hard to slot them all into existing armies. Adrax would become a Chaos Sorcerer/Lord or an Iron Priest, Lazarus would fit into my Imperial Dragons Space Marine army, Mephiston would become another sorcerer or (more likely) just be something fun to paint, the Arco Flagellants become Chaos Cultists, the Khan (with some very minor modifications) and the wolves go into my Iron Wolves army, and I can use extra bikes in any of my Marine forces.
I absolutely get that the gaming value is more limited for people who have one army and no interest in anything outside of that specific force... but that's not really the customer that these are aimed at.
To be clear, I still have no interest in dropping $225 for one of these. But the claim that it has no gaming value is just way off base.
I don't think it's off base at all if you actually think about it, rather than just saying "this could be this, this could be that." For example, did you actually want any of those things they "could be?" in your armies? Even if we assume you can do pretty questionable things like using arcos as "counts as" cultists and that you use the special characters as "counts as" generic equivalents, if you already have an army to slot those things into, don't you already, well, have an army - of things you have actually chosen, rather than some random junk you have to work in? How likely is it that you were saying "you know, I'd really like 10 cultists?" If your army used cultists, wouldn't you already have them? And even if by some miracle you did really want 10 cultists...you didn't even save money over just buying 10 cultists, even with the 50% discount.
And if you don't already have an army to slot these into and you were taking GW seriously with its "leave it up to fate to decide your next army," what army did fate decide for you? It didn't, because the units are mutually exclusive except for the bikes and one of the characters. So fate gave you...Salamanders? Dark Angels? Blood angels? White Scars? Space wolves or SoB (lol)? It didn't decide anything for you, and if you actually decided you wanted to start collecting one of those things, you would have got better value just buying some stuff you actually wanted to start one of those armies.
It takes a truly bizarre set of coincidences for this to be value for anyone who wanted to use the models they got in an actual army. Is it impossible someone might find a gameplay use for some of these models? No, of course not. But only in the rarest of cases would it be value for that purpose.
'Random junk worked in' is how the vast majority of my armies are assembled. My orks, for example, were started when a friend gave me a bunch of old Gorkamorka stuff and I scored a bunch of 2nd edition plastics off eBay, and it built up organically from there. Even my Space Wolves, which was an army designed specifically for tournaments originally, was assembled from models that I wanted to play with rather than what was the most tactically sound, and has been expanded with whatever I felt like building. I have a Necron army of 2nd edition metals, because GW put a Warrior on the cover of White Dwarf back in the day. My Red Corsairs started when I won an attack bike in a 2nd Edition tournament and wanted to do something different with it. And most of my armies are built with 'extra' units above what I would use in a single force, so I can switch the army lists around between games instead of always using the same stuff.
So no, none of the things in that mystery box were things that I had specifically said 'Yup, I want one of those in my army'... but they're all things that I would quite happily put in there.
Nah, the hate is over the top. You never been to a garage sale or basically a blind buy off Ebay with unopened gak? You go for it if it's a good deal because it's models you can work with in some manner.
All I’m saying is, by looking at what they put in those, if they did a Warcry one (or even Necromunda, but I guess that isn’t as likely specialist wise), then I’d be trying to grab one.
I hate most of the things GW does but this is not one of them. I honestly don’t care either way. It was an informed decision that at worst pays makes conversion fodder. It probably could pay for itself on eBay. And at the very least, the value seems to match or exceed the cost, whereas loot boxes tend to sell relatively worthless things (loot crates and mostly garbage, or things like cosmetics on counter strike or ea games stuff that mostly end in worthless skins). This isn’t nearly as predatory as those. It’s hardly more predatory than most of GW’s decisions when it comes to how it wants to sell product.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There are far more productive things to be mad at GW about.
I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
Vaktathi wrote: I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
It's what they said. Common sense should tell any buyer that right now GW's supply chain is absolutely smashed with tons of stuff out of stock so anything in this was going to be stuff that's undersold - looks like the whole psychic awakening thing / marine chapter books is a bit of a fail as these are from those ranges largely. No smurf characters though which undermines the usual dakka view of no one wants ultramarines.
Think I’d have grabbed one if I could, just to play around with the stuff and paint something that I’d not necessarily choose to paint.
Reminds me of the old mystery Box’s they used to do at games days. Think they were about a quid and packed with loads of lead minis. Had some good stuff out of those .
Jackal90 wrote: So at no point are people responsible for their own actions and self control?
Just blame everything around them because they are unable to control themselves?
Can you point to where anyone said this?
Again, please stop beating up straw men, it's a waste of everyone's time.
Every single comment so far has been directed at FOMO and marketing.
Not once has self control even been mentioned.
People seem to find it easier to blame others instead of taking control of their own actions.
To be honest though, that’s the age we live in now.
Blame everyone but ourselves for anything possible.
It’s a company.
Like all companies, they push sales.
It’s just funny to see that quite a few of the people here who bash GW marketing fully support eBay and Amazon, which are far worse.
Seems more like cherry picking to suit a narrative.
Vaktathi wrote:I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
Yup, same. Well, sort of. Due to the sheer size of their range, there were bound to be some SM in there, but I had certainly expected Guard of some description, and no Sororitas at all (though I wondered if the scenery piece might be a contender... now that I would love at a decent discount). While not collecting IG, those kits could have offered some nice generic weapons and bits. Would have been entirely my own fault if I ordered one of these in the mistaken belief there would be old Marines and Guard in it of course; certainly would not have predicted so many characters and new kits. Not collecting any flavour of Marines, I don't think I would have found a use for any of these aside from the wolves (they're nice wolves). Not many useful bits on character kits either. Overall nice sculpts though, and if interested in Marines a pretty good box for the money, without all that filler material of the Underworlds set.
Jackal90 wrote:It’s just funny to see that quite a few of the people here who bash GW marketing fully support eBay and Amazon, which are far worse.
Seems more like cherry picking to suit a narrative.
Really? Don't think I've ever seen anyone defend Amazon on these boards. And rarely anywhere else for that matter. I'm not a fan of everything GW does, but as far as I'm aware they at least pay their taxes.
A Town Called Malus wrote: Or, you know, GW could just have a sale and people can get the stuff they want.
The reason that GW don’t do sales is that it devalues their product.
I think I need to take a break from posting for a while, I’m a bit tired of the same topics being rehashed and the same posters being relentlessly negative.
Enjoy your supply boxes people
Sales devalue products?
Wow you'be drunk deep of the corporate kool aid. Let me guess, you also really prefer it if no dirty poors played the hobby either, they should really be busy pulling themselves into the sky by their own bootstraps.
Brand recognition very much is a thing. As is "perceived value".
Your second statement is just flamebaiting though.
Perceived value and real value are, however, not the same. And furious focus of perceived value, of course, leads to repeated risky investment, speculation bubbles, and stock market crashes.
That's pretty much it, although I'd say more "modeller" than "collector".
No reason why anyone has to jump down anyone's throat with this offer. I'm sure GW knows some hobbyists are interested in their models for themselves, not necessarily as gaming pieces.
The vast majority of people who buy GW products do not play the games. GW has stated this several times in the past.
GW stated this in a past where they deliberately refused to ask if anyone played their games.
I don't think there is any ACTUAL factual data on this one.
Vaktathi wrote: I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
It's not though. Like, space marine players don't play all space marine chapters. I have no use for any of the characters on offer, and I'm not much for converting units out of whole clothe.
That's pretty much it, although I'd say more "modeller" than "collector".
No reason why anyone has to jump down anyone's throat with this offer. I'm sure GW knows some hobbyists are interested in their models for themselves, not necessarily as gaming pieces.
The vast majority of people who buy GW products do not play the games. GW has stated this several times in the past.
GW stated this in a past where they deliberately refused to ask if anyone played their games.
I don't think there is any ACTUAL factual data on this one.
Agreed and it was proven flawed thinking when Age of Sigmar was built for that concept (boutique models first and a game not even second) and flopped at launch. Granted there were other aspects (like marketing Old World then ending it and starting AoS as a surprise); but by and large the whole "we don't need consumer feedback" angle was proven to be very flawed thinking by a management team that had wound up very distanced from its core market.
Certainly there's a large body of collectors and people who start but never get anywhere near a game before moving on; but the core is still very much gamers. Be they casual or super competitive.
insaniak wrote: 'Random junk worked in' is how the vast majority of my armies are assembled. My orks, for example, were started when a friend gave me a bunch of old Gorkamorka stuff and I scored a bunch of 2nd edition plastics off eBay, and it built up organically from there. Even my Space Wolves, which was an army designed specifically for tournaments originally, was assembled from models that I wanted to play with rather than what was the most tactically sound, and has been expanded with whatever I felt like building. I have a Necron army of 2nd edition metals, because GW put a Warrior on the cover of White Dwarf back in the day. My Red Corsairs started when I won an attack bike in a 2nd Edition tournament and wanted to do something different with it. And most of my armies are built with 'extra' units above what I would use in a single force, so I can switch the army lists around between games instead of always using the same stuff.
So no, none of the things in that mystery box were things that I had specifically said 'Yup, I want one of those in my army'... but they're all things that I would quite happily put in there.
If only you'd purchased this blind box, you could have expanded this tale with "Then in the year of the great plague I started a Salamanders army, a Blood Angels army, a White Scars army, a Dark Angels army, a Space Wolves army, a Sororitas army, and I expanded my Ultramarines with some old bikers, after I bought the GW supply drop. I was hoping fate would choose AdMech for me but alas".
Has anyone found any other examples posted online yet? Really curious to know if the contents we've seen were typical, or a totally random combination of stuff and every box is different.
insaniak wrote: 'Random junk worked in' is how the vast majority of my armies are assembled. My orks, for example, were started when a friend gave me a bunch of old Gorkamorka stuff and I scored a bunch of 2nd edition plastics off eBay, and it built up organically from there. Even my Space Wolves, which was an army designed specifically for tournaments originally, was assembled from models that I wanted to play with rather than what was the most tactically sound, and has been expanded with whatever I felt like building. I have a Necron army of 2nd edition metals, because GW put a Warrior on the cover of White Dwarf back in the day. My Red Corsairs started when I won an attack bike in a 2nd Edition tournament and wanted to do something different with it. And most of my armies are built with 'extra' units above what I would use in a single force, so I can switch the army lists around between games instead of always using the same stuff.
So no, none of the things in that mystery box were things that I had specifically said 'Yup, I want one of those in my army'... but they're all things that I would quite happily put in there.
If only you'd purchased this blind box, you could have expanded this tale with "Then in the year of the great plague I started a Salamanders army, a Blood Angels army, a White Scars army, a Dark Angels army, a Space Wolves army, a Sororitas army, and I expanded my Ultramarines with some old bikers, after I bought the GW supply drop. I was hoping fate would choose AdMech for me but alas".
OK, we get it, you're not a fan of the concept - can you leave the dead horse alone now, though, please, before you turn it into chutney...
insaniak wrote: 'Random junk worked in' is how the vast majority of my armies are assembled. My orks, for example, were started when a friend gave me a bunch of old Gorkamorka stuff and I scored a bunch of 2nd edition plastics off eBay, and it built up organically from there. Even my Space Wolves, which was an army designed specifically for tournaments originally, was assembled from models that I wanted to play with rather than what was the most tactically sound, and has been expanded with whatever I felt like building. I have a Necron army of 2nd edition metals, because GW put a Warrior on the cover of White Dwarf back in the day. My Red Corsairs started when I won an attack bike in a 2nd Edition tournament and wanted to do something different with it. And most of my armies are built with 'extra' units above what I would use in a single force, so I can switch the army lists around between games instead of always using the same stuff.
So no, none of the things in that mystery box were things that I had specifically said 'Yup, I want one of those in my army'... but they're all things that I would quite happily put in there.
If only you'd purchased this blind box, you could have expanded this tale with "Then in the year of the great plague I started a Salamanders army, a Blood Angels army, a White Scars army, a Dark Angels army, a Space Wolves army, a Sororitas army, and I expanded my Ultramarines with some old bikers, after I bought the GW supply drop. I was hoping fate would choose AdMech for me but alas".
OK, we get it, you're not a fan of the concept - can you leave the dead horse alone now, though, please, before you turn it into chutney...
I've posted, like, three times?...
Can you please post less Dysartes? Would that be ok? I want you to post less. In general. Doesn't matter what the subject is. Just post less. Try to encapsulate your views on an issue into one single solitary post wherever possible please Dysartes. Will you do that for me? Thanks Buddy.
xttz wrote: Has anyone found any other examples posted online yet? Really curious to know if the contents we've seen were typical, or a totally random combination of stuff and every box is different.
The only other one I've read is somebody on bolterandchainsword said they saw a UK Imperium support drop being all IG (Baneblade, Cadian Heavy Weapons Squad, Cadian Command Squad, Commissar). It can total exactly 150 quid, however I'm dubious as no photos were shown and it doesn't really tick the criteria they outlined.
Since I've got an Imperium one in bound, I'm eagerly looking forward to what I get; however I'll probably not see it for another week. I don't really have an interest in IG, so that'd likely be sold off. But the SM mix shown is not bad and I could see a use for most of it.
Vaktathi wrote:I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
I fully agree with this. If the contents are 85% Space Marines, that's the theme of the box. I was expecting some IG and Admech kits in the Imperium box.
xttz wrote:Has anyone found any other examples posted online yet? Really curious to know if the contents we've seen were typical, or a totally random combination of stuff and every box is different.
I've only seen one example of each. It would be nice to see some crates from different regions to see what they got.
Vaktathi wrote:I'd have less of an issue with it if the boxes weren't sold as "Imperium" boxes. If I, primarily as a Guard player, had purchased this, and just ended up with primarily a bunch of Space Marine stuff (and one SoB box), I'd don't think I'd have been terribly impressed, and dropping ~$100 on stuff I either have to put in effort and time to sell to probably just break even (considering the added effort), or that I'd really have to go out of my way to find uses for for conversions/basing/etc that I didn't really need or want otherwise, wouldn't make me very happy.
That said, for anyone who does play Space Marines, it's was obviously a fantastic purchase.
I fully agree with this. If the contents are 85% Space Marines, that's the theme of the box. I was expecting some IG and Admech kits in the Imperium box.
It's a bit early to call this a Marine box rather than an Imperium box, I think. GW has said that the mystery boxes will be regionally different. If some are less Marine focused and include Mechanicus or Guard, GW is right to call it Imperial.
If it turns out it's mostly Marines everywhere, yeah, it would have been good to say so.
Looking forward to seeing what other regions get. Seeing largely new models in the mystery box is a nice surprise.
On B&C somebody says a person they know in the UK received a Baneblade, Cadian Heavy Weapons Squad, Cadian Command and Commissar.
No pictures so take with a grain of salt, but if true, for half price, that’s pretty solid.
I've read that rumor, and I'm skeptical without photos. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Leman Russ, Basalisk, or Chimera in one of these boxes, but a Baneblade feels too good to be true.
kodos wrote: so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Not going to happen.
If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted. Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.
.And GW are well aware of all this,
Low fees are beyond many people requiring legal recourse.
If you can afford a supply drop box then you can afford a £25 small claims court fee. Which you'd get back anyway.
How about someone returns on unopened and we see what happens if people are that worried about distance selling regulations from a company that traditionally has very good customer service.
kodos wrote: so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
I was going to say "And then GW tells you to pound sand" And you look at giant legal fees. But then I realized if you're buying GW products, you can probably afford the legal fees to sue them.
Not going to happen.
If you're in the UK a quick word with your local trading standards department would probably see you sorted. Or it would be a completely straightforward case in a small claims court, where fees are very low and are usually refunded if you win your case. And there would be no possible defence if you had evidence that you were invoking your right to a refund from GW and that they told you to pound sand.
.And GW are well aware of all this,
Low fees are beyond many people requiring legal recourse.
If you can afford a supply drop box then you can afford a £25 small claims court fee. Which you'd get back anyway.
Which is indeed why I said anyone buying into this hobby can afford the fees. It was a bit of a joke, like, haha, GW customers are idle rich.
Looks like Germany got the same in their Supply Drop box as Italy, not seen any conformation on the UK contents yet and some peeps have said its not been sent out yet
Eh I think its more that GW should have called it a Marine box rather than an Imperial; since most people consider Imperial Guard separate form the Marines.
Overread wrote: Eh I think its more that GW should have called it a Marine box rather than an Imperial; since most people consider Imperial Guard separate form the Marines.
I mean GW even split Space Marines and Armies of the Imperium on their store, so one could argue that by buying an Imperium box one could not expect any marines what so ever.
Voss wrote: Huh. Apparently special characters don't sell well. Who knew?
Remember its not necessarily stuff that hasn't sold well; its just not sold as well/as fast as GW's estimations within certain territories. So the line between "not sold well" and "overproduced" is a fine line to draw. Some of htem might be good sellers within their respective niches, but their niche wasn't as big as GW expected; or perhaps its even some regional supply issues in that they've overproduced; got stock that got stuck in one region due to lockdowns and now isn't needed.
Plus it might just be that GW is purging a batch of slower selling stock to clear space for stuff in the now. So instead of keeping the models for 1 year (or however long) they are now looking to keep only stock for a few months in supply; so they are stripping out the longer term batches to make room.
PlaguePony wrote: Looks like Germany got the same in their Supply Drop box as Italy, not seen any conformation on the UK contents yet and some peeps have said its not been sent out yet
Italy and Germany would both be in the same region, so no surprises there!?
PlaguePony wrote: Looks like Germany got the same in their Supply Drop box as Italy, not seen any conformation on the UK contents yet and some peeps have said its not been sent out yet
Wait, those are the contents? A bunch of random special characters?
Lol, you guys got it good. Local store had one of these boxes on shelf (he was ahead of the time I guess), priced at $85. I figured what the heck, never done a blind buy before, see what the fuss is about. I can always sell what I don't need/want. Well, it was an 8th edition first run Space Marines codex with 1st run datacards, the generic objective cards, 5 sniper scouts and a paint set. I would have loved to have received some of the other reported contents people are talking about, because this was shambolic. Fool me once.....
I don't mind old stock, totally expect it, but not cool to put in a book that has been out of date for over a year. Not to mention cards aren't used in the current edition. Basically, aside from the paints...a total write-off.
edit: as a point, when I say one of "these" boxes, I don't mean the actual GW one, just a blind buy compilation box done by the store.
My order has changed to 'dispatched', but being in Melb with the distribution centre in Sydney, I'll get mine long after we know the content from others.
KonradBonecrusher wrote: My order has changed to 'dispatched', but being in Melb with the distribution centre in Sydney, I'll get mine long after we know the content from others.
Mine’s still ‘pending.’ Lately AusPost has been swinging between two extremes, either shockingly fast, or at snail’s pace. Fingers crossed ours is the former. Be sure to post when yours arrives, I’m so keen to find out how many Sergeant Harkers we get
bullyboy wrote: Lol, you guys got it good. Local store had one of these boxes on shelf (he was ahead of the time I guess), priced at $85. I figured what the heck, never done a blind buy before, see what the fuss is about. I can always sell what I don't need/want. Well, it was an 8th edition first run Space Marines codex with 1st run datacards, the generic objective cards, 5 sniper scouts and a paint set. I would have loved to have received some of the other reported contents people are talking about, because this was shambolic. Fool me once.....
I don't mind old stock, totally expect it, but not cool to put in a book that has been out of date for over a year. Not to mention cards aren't used in the current edition. Basically, aside from the paints...a total write-off.
edit: as a point, when I say one of "these" boxes, I don't mean the actual GW one, just a blind buy compilation box done by the store.
So, to be clear, you bought a mystery box from a store, that had been put together by the store (not by GW) and are complaining that it didn't contain similar contents to the GW box?
I'm thinking it would be more productive to complain to the store, in this case.
bullyboy wrote: Lol, you guys got it good. Local store had one of these boxes on shelf (he was ahead of the time I guess), priced at $85. I figured what the heck, never done a blind buy before, see what the fuss is about. I can always sell what I don't need/want. Well, it was an 8th edition first run Space Marines codex with 1st run datacards, the generic objective cards, 5 sniper scouts and a paint set. I would have loved to have received some of the other reported contents people are talking about, because this was shambolic. Fool me once.....
I don't mind old stock, totally expect it, but not cool to put in a book that has been out of date for over a year. Not to mention cards aren't used in the current edition. Basically, aside from the paints...a total write-off.
edit: as a point, when I say one of "these" boxes, I don't mean the actual GW one, just a blind buy compilation box done by the store.
So, to be clear, you bought a mystery box from a store, that had been put together by the store (not by GW) and are complaining that it didn't contain similar contents to the GW box?
I'm thinking it would be more productive to complain to the store, in this case.
No, he's saying he bought a blind box some time in the past from a FLGS and it was worse than the ones shown in this thread.
The FLGS seems to have been taking a risk there with your good faith and willingness to make future purchases, bullyboy.
bullyboy wrote: Lol, you guys got it good. Local store had one of these boxes on shelf (he was ahead of the time I guess), priced at $85. I figured what the heck, never done a blind buy before, see what the fuss is about. I can always sell what I don't need/want. Well, it was an 8th edition first run Space Marines codex with 1st run datacards, the generic objective cards, 5 sniper scouts and a paint set. I would have loved to have received some of the other reported contents people are talking about, because this was shambolic. Fool me once.....
I don't mind old stock, totally expect it, but not cool to put in a book that has been out of date for over a year. Not to mention cards aren't used in the current edition. Basically, aside from the paints...a total write-off.
edit: as a point, when I say one of "these" boxes, I don't mean the actual GW one, just a blind buy compilation box done by the store.
So, to be clear, you bought a mystery box from a store, that had been put together by the store (not by GW) and are complaining that it didn't contain similar contents to the GW box?
I'm thinking it would be more productive to complain to the store, in this case.
Actually, being clear, you are totally off base.
Not really complaining as such about anything, I know it's a blind buy, just an observation that I would have been thrilled with what is reported in the GW boxes so far.
Really weird that you completely did not understand my post, its not like English is your second language.
We're separated by a common language. I'm still surprised the Five Eyes organisation holds together and that we're not at war with each other over language and tone misunderstandings.
alphaecho wrote: We're separated by a common language. I'm still surprised the Five Eyes organisation holds together and that we're not at war with each other over language and tone misunderstandings.
Wait, we're not at war? Then who the hell have I being buying those war bonds from???
alphaecho wrote: We're separated by a common language. I'm still surprised the Five Eyes organisation holds together and that we're not at war with each other over language and tone misunderstandings.
Wait, we're not at war? Then who the hell have I being buying those war bonds from???
The God-Emperor of Mankind, obviously - building up His resources early in this timeline...
We're separated by a common language. I'm still surprised the Five Eyes organisation holds together and that we're not at war with each other over language and tone misunderstandings.
I think befor the English Countries go to War over the language we will see another German War coming up (German-German, Austrian German, Swiss-German)
PlaguePony wrote: Looks like Germany got the same in their Supply Drop box as Italy, not seen any conformation on the UK contents yet and some peeps have said its not been sent out yet
Wait, those are the contents? A bunch of random special characters?
that thing that bothers me here is that it was advertised as "start a new random army", and if the content of the other Box is true (mentioned on B&C with Guard only kits, I have not seen pics yet), it would mean that Marine-Soup is the new thing with the Codex and all those Special characters fit in one army
insaniak wrote: Wait... Do people actually buy special character models to use as those special characters...?
Yes. People buy special characters to use as special characters. It's a frightening prospect.
I mean I don't - I got that big Iron Hands dude 'cause it's a plastic Tech-Marine and he looks boss - but I don't care who he is in the actual game. Ditto for that recent alien-tech-clad Inquisitrix, who will probably end up getting a SoB head or something to make her different.
bullyboy wrote: as a point, when I say one of "these" boxes, I don't mean the actual GW one, just a blind buy compilation box done by the store.
I've never run a FLGS but this seems a pretty strange way to do one: make a customer feel so ripped off they never return for a measly $85. Especially in a hobby that I feel like you could probably milk a customer for at least 2 grand over 2 or 3 years.
KonradBonecrusher wrote: Word on Facebook is the Australian Imperium box is;
Knight Castellan
Kor'saaro Khan
Kayvaan Shirke
Scouts
Scouts with sniper rifles
KonradBonecrusher wrote: Word on Facebook is the Australian Imperium box is;
Knight Castellan
Kor'saaro Khan
Kayvaan Shirke
Scouts
Scouts with sniper rifles
That’s glorious
Yes, yes it would be... however I'm being reserved until I see it myself.
I have two Armiger Warglaives from Forgebane, so bang... 1k Knights army.
insaniak wrote: Wait... Do people actually buy special character models to use as those special characters...?
Weird.
Would be silly to buy them for some other and then do some conversion to do the actual special character don't you think?
Seeing how GW makes special characters so often so essential you need them so if not the official model you better be pretty good convertor. And obviously you would need to convert the official model or it would be extra silly to have stock special character to be not special character and conversion be special character.
Looking at the list that Spikebits published (https://spikeybits.com/2020/08/are-they-worth-it-gw-supply-drops-contents-value.html) I would have been ok with the Imperium box, but totally disappointed with the other.
The funny thing is that when I got the mail, 20 minutes later the imperium one was already sold out and only the other available.
What would you have expected from the underworlds one?
This isn’t a dig, just curious.
The wording stated gaming aids etc so it was almost a given that it wouldn’t entirely be miniatures.
I’m waiting on a terrain one.
Not sure, I had no real expectation, other than them putting in anything that doesn't sell.
Just comparing to the Imperium box list on that article. As a painter and not player, I would have not gotten my moneys worth from the warcry box, but from 1 full of minis like the imperium one, I would have.
Guess they need to make a hobby box, wouldn't mind an assortment of minis, colors and tools.
Worth noting that article is wrong, and the Underworlds box was only £65.
As I've said, I'm reasonably content with the contents of that one personally, I'm interested in taking up the game and got everything I'd need to do so, and those mini carrying cases are super useful.
Nomasuras wrote: If i get the same in mine as what that other Australian has reported ill be reasonably happy
I'm probably be a few steps happier.
1 Knight castellan - I've got two Armiger Warglaives from Forgeblade, so I'll have 1k of Knights and am thinking I'll combine them fluff/colour wise with some of the Ad Mech I have. Really digging this now.
1 kayvaan shrike - Will convert for my Deathwatch
1 kor'sarro khan - Unsure... sprue doesn't look conversion friendly.
1 box of scouts with sniper rifles - Don't know, are they any good in 9th for SM armies?
1 box of scouts with bolters - As above.
I've got a lot of Deathwatch stuff BNIB, figure I'll wait until the new 9th codex supplement is out and work out what to do. Any SM stuff that doesn't make it will be an SM chapter (probably one of Ultra, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels or maybe other)
Edit: Also that's a 56% saving for us Aussies from our RRPs!
Nomasuras wrote: If i get the same in mine as what that other Australian has reported ill be reasonably happy
I'm probably be a few steps happier.
1 Knight castellan - I've got two Armiger Warglaives from Forgeblade, so I'll have 1k of Knights and am thinking I'll combine them fluff/colour wise with some of the Ad Mech I have. Really digging this now.
1 kayvaan shrike - Will convert for my Deathwatch
1 kor'sarro khan - Unsure... sprue doesn't look conversion friendly.
1 box of scouts with sniper rifles - Don't know, are they any good in 9th for SM armies?
1 box of scouts with bolters - As above.
I've got a lot of Deathwatch stuff BNIB, figure I'll wait until the new 9th codex supplement is out and work out what to do. Any SM stuff that doesn't make it will be an SM chapter (probably one of Ultra, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels or maybe other)
Korsorro Khan might be a good starting point for an Inquisitor in terminator armour (even though he's not technically in term armour, he's bulky enough to be counts as I think)
Edit: Also that's a 56% saving for us Aussies from our RRPs!
Bikes are weak sauce, but the rest I don’t think I’d have been terribly disappointed in. I like the Arco Flagellant models, and fairly sure I could’ve used the characters as presents for friends.
But compared to the reported Aussie contents, I know which I’d have been happier with.
Snrub wrote: Do we know what came in the Australian Underworlds box?
When I picked my Imperium up at local GW the Manager said it didn't contain the carry case but included more of the smaller boxes of models than the uk one did. I don't play underworld so I don't know which ones they were. The price here was $225 though, the same as the imperium one as opposed to £65 in then UK
Wow! There's actually a Castellan in the box. I'm impressed. Also lends more credence to the rumors of a Baneblade in another box. Still a little Space Marine heavy, but I'm still planning to order a box if they ever offer one here in Freedom Land.
EnTyme wrote: Wow! There's actually a Castellan in the box. I'm impressed. Also lends more credence to the rumors of a Baneblade in another box. Still a little Space Marine heavy, but I'm still planning to order a box if they ever offer one here in Freedom Land.
The baneblade box was fake, the UK got the same contents as the rest of EU apparently and since the boxes are fixed per region, you can't have the baneblade utopia. It was too good of a cadian deal that one, but not true.
EnTyme wrote: Wow! There's actually a Castellan in the box. I'm impressed. Also lends more credence to the rumors of a Baneblade in another box. Still a little Space Marine heavy, but I'm still planning to order a box if they ever offer one here in Freedom Land.
The baneblade box was fake, the UK got the same contents as the rest of EU apparently and since the boxes are fixed per region, you can't have the baneblade utopia. It was too good of a cadian deal that one, but not true.
Ah. That's too bad. It definitely felt too good to be true.
but maybe that's your standard. This situation is entirely bereft of irony 
