Mystery Models. Unmissable Prices. Warhammer is full of tantalising mysteries. Who are the lost Primarchs? What is the Emperor? Why do hobbyists still pretend they’re going into Warhammer stores to “just pick up a pot of paint”? Today, we have another mystery for you – what’s in the Supply Drop?
The answer is simple – mysterious models at a price you can’t miss.
Introducing Warhammer Supply Drops Warhammer Supply Drop is a new kind of bundle that’s available right now on our webstore. Each Supply Drop will be a hand-picked collection of products fitting a certain theme. The best bit? You’ll save a whopping 50% compared to what you’d pay getting the kits separately.
Can’t choose your next army? Let fate decide! Looking for a selection of models to paint as one-off projects? This is a great way to challenge yourself! Bitz box looking barren? Supercharge it with this bundle!
The content of your Supply Drop is dependent on where you are in the world – so, if you get multiple sets, you’ll get the same stuff. Additionally, each Supply Drop will have a theme to give you some idea of what you’re getting. This time around, we’re bringing you the Imperium Supply Drop and the Warhammer Underworlds supply drop.
Everything in these sets is great and chances are, even if you don’t use it all yourself, you’ll be able to swap with friends to secure even more cool kits and accessories.
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around. Keep an eye out, though – you never know what the future might bring!
While we may do more Supply Drops in the future, these two won’t be around forever. Make sure to order yours right now! Remember – subscribers to our newsletter get regular updates when new stuff goes on sale, so join our mailing list to be notified.
GW clearly wants players to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment for playing Imperium etc etc you all know the memes by now.
Awful, awful unscrupulous business practice. Almost certainly a stock dump for suckers, and even if it isn’t, I hope you play literally every Imperium army or else you’ll get screwed on them.
Given that they certainly don't have overstock of popular kits after shutting down the factory for 2 months, this must be a final push to get old crap (Midget Marines, maybe Cadians) out the door and start fresh with an empty warehouse.
This is surprising considering that they are having trouble keeping some lines in stock and that GW isn't really in a burning need to make high sales right now.
I'm also glad to see that they've at least given them a set theme of content so you've "some" idea what you're getting into. Underworld could be quite well worth it for anyone wanting to start up or looking to get a small group playing. £150 worth of Underworld gets a fair amount.
The Imperium box is definitely a trap, 'reasonably priced' to shift stock and act as a gateway drug for expanding collections.
The Underworlds one is certainly interesting - £65 is three warbands, so if you end up with double that or a starter or something it could be excellent value. Especially as someone who's looked to start playing for a long while.
I honestly see this as a good thing.
If it’s 50% off retail as advertised, people will pick them up to throw on ebay separately.
Even at 20% off RRP they still make 30% on top.
This is also not a loot box like we typically see in gacha games.
While it is random, the value is set.
There is no risk of losing value from buying it like many loot box systems, so it’s only a gamble if you want specific models.
It's weird, they can offer blind product at 50% off and that's cheap enough for people to launch at it until they're sold out, regardless of contents. Hopefully it might show them that if they lower prices there would be a feeding frenzy.
I’ve bought it. Worst case I’m confident I can shift anything I don’t want at half rrp , unless it’s Finecast. I play Blood Angels, so fortunately I have access to a pretty extensive range.
redbristles wrote: Imperium one is gone already, what was the point in that? Gone ten minutes after the email went out...
Plenty of eBay resellers out there I guess, with no limit per customer I guess it's not surprising.
True that, weird time to put it up as well, 12:40 on a Wednesday in the UK, probably just shifting some stock to make space in the warehouse. Wonder what's in them...
The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unboxing different Cadians.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the 8Ed and other adjustments made to stimulus checks before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average yearly wage on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have kits that are impossible to put togather, 20 years old, and of course attainable via paying us absurd prices.
We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Dakkadakka, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update absolutely never.
redbristles wrote: Imperium one is gone already, what was the point in that? Gone ten minutes after the email went out...
Plenty of eBay resellers out there I guess, with no limit per customer I guess it's not surprising.
There was a one per order limit
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Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unboxing different Cadians.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the 8Ed and other adjustments made to stimulus checks before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average yearly wage on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have kits that are impossible to put togather, 20 years old, and of course attainable via paying us absurd prices.
We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Dakkadakka, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update absolutely never.
redbristles wrote: Imperium one is gone already, what was the point in that? Gone ten minutes after the email went out...
Plenty of eBay resellers out there I guess, with no limit per customer I guess it's not surprising.
They are limited to one per order, or were when I looked.
I took a punt on one:
If it's an army I don't play, I probably want to.
If it's a box I haven't got, I probably want it.
If It's a box I've already got, I probably want more.
I’d avoid an AoS one like the plague if you plan on selling it on.
Conquest has nuked the price of a large chunk of stormcasts and nighthaunt line.
I wouldn’t risk the chances of getting something like a box of chainwrasps valued at £25 when they are £8 on eBay.
Jackal90 wrote: I’d avoid an AoS one like the plague if you plan on selling it on.
Conquest has nuked the price of a large chunk of stormcasts and nighthaunt line.
I wouldn’t risk the chances of getting something like a box of chainwrasps valued at £25 when they are £8 on eBay.
I took a punt on the Underworlds one. I never played Underworlds, and the odds seem reasonable it'll be a decent starter. It seems like most of the items don't tend to deprecate too much in pricing either.
The Imperial one just felt like it'd be stacks of old marines.
Jackal90 wrote: I’d avoid an AoS one like the plague if you plan on selling it on.
Conquest has nuked the price of a large chunk of stormcasts and nighthaunt line.
I wouldn’t risk the chances of getting something like a box of chainwrasps valued at £25 when they are £8 on eBay.
If I hadn't burned my wallet in the fires of Indomitus last month I'd have likely gone for that. If they do other army specific ones I might well plug for them.
They're not all bad. The general "random items with tangential theme" ones are because you tend to get 1 maybe 2 items you'd actually want/find usefuland thus they don't make their values, but the actual focused ones are worth it for fans of that focus. I've gotten a lot of value out of the Halo series Loot Boxes they did.
I would have ordered one just to see whats inside. Even if nothing of interest is in there, selling it at 50% will find it's buyers quickly.
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Though I think I have all models for Underworlds besides the Tzeentch warband available to me if I take my brother's stuff into account. Cards, no, but getting them slightly cheaper would not be that enticing.
Yes. They are. They should be outlawed, or at least, regulated - and in some parts of the world, they are. This is a problem which has plagued video games to the point where game ratings boards have stepped in, and actual legislation is being drawn up. They are a serious blight on gaming, and Games Workshop should be the last company you want to see doing them.
If GW also posted what could potentially be in each box along with an accurate chance of getting it, I'd begrudgingly be okay with it, but as it is, you might as well pick a random Kickstarter product and back it for the highest amount. Your gamble (and it is a gamble) will probably be just as expensive, and just as likely to be marginally better than a coffee table book about cats in silly hats.
Privateer Press did this when they needed to clear out their warehouse prior to moving HQ and when they needed to shift a lot of old stock to make way for new. I suspect that GW is looking to clear out models and sprues that they want to get rid of
For PP it totally devalued the 2nd hand market for WM/H stuff and undercut stores to a point where it destroyed the last vestiges of goodwill many stores had toward the company as people were just trading bits from the mystery boxes rather than shopping in their FLGS.
Will be a lot of stock they simply can't shift that is likely to be going out soon. As people have already said. 50% of is pretty good. But 50% off junk is really not worth it.
Just not to screw people over they will probably throw something good/new (maybe sisters/admech/primaris) into each of the boxes just to please people and make the rest of the contents seem more palatable.
If there was a zenos version I would consider it but still very unlikely.
Oaka wrote: The ad says both models and products are included. They wouldn't stick an 8th edition codex in there would they?
I’d feel a bit cheated if they did, TBH
Why? They're current valid product, one that'll they'll want to shift stock of. i assumed the Imperial box would have 1 or 2 codex's in, plus some random gak like combat gauges. It certainly won't be 100% models.
Really wonder what the U/W box could contain, the terrain pack and some sleeves and dice seem certain but that leaves plenty of room for some warbands. Cant imagine it would be a starter set and it doesnt seem likely they would part out bits of previous boxes. if it wasnt for the Antipodes tax I would take a punt.
This looks...a wee bit shady, and it's interesting they don't appear available on the US web store, any links for the US get 404'd.
Paying ~$100 for a box where one has no idea of the contents doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies personally, even if the price off MSRP is huge. I hope those who do take the plunge find the boxes worthwhile.
I don't see why it is "shady." I think it is like a warehouse clearing exercise, which means it is only "necessary" in places where there might be stock that they want to move. The US warehouse likely, since it hasn't seen thing thing offered, is not overstocked to the same degree as the UK one.
Tantalizing mystery? They might as well post a 640x480 out of focus pic of the bits and sprues dumped onto a bedspread and you have a drunken late night ebay nightmare purchase at that price.
Oaka wrote: The ad says both models and products are included. They wouldn't stick an 8th edition codex in there would they?
I’d feel a bit cheated if they did, TBH
Why? They're current valid product, one that'll they'll want to shift stock of. i assumed the Imperial box would have 1 or 2 codex's in, plus some random gak like combat gauges. It certainly won't be 100% models.
Because Games Workshop described the Imperium box as "mysterious models at a price you can’t miss." and "save 50% on getting the models separately"
That's why I'd feel cheated if they included codexes and combat gauges, because books and random tat such as combat gauges are not models.
Vaktathi wrote: it's interesting they don't appear available on the US web store, any links for the US get 404'd.
They said it wouldn't be available in the WarCom article:
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around. Keep an eye out, though – you never know what the future might bring!
so I wonder if it's just stuff they had laying around in the UK/EU warehouse...
H wrote: I don't see why it is "shady." I think it is like a warehouse clearing exercise, which means it is only "necessary" in places where there might be stock that they want to move. The US warehouse likely, since it hasn't seen thing thing offered, is not overstocked to the same degree as the UK one.
I fail to see the "nefarious" aspect here.
Mainly because people don't actually know the specifics of what they're buying and paying for, and similar sales tactics with other forms of gaming have been found to be predatory in nature and ultimately a form of gambling, attracting legislative attention in many nations across the planet.
I expect these boxes absolutely will be a huge savings off MSRP, but if the box doesn't have a significant number of things the purchaser interested in, then it wasn't a terribly great value.
Vaktathi wrote: it's interesting they don't appear available on the US web store, any links for the US get 404'd.
They said it wouldn't be available in the WarCom article:
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around. Keep an eye out, though – you never know what the future might bring!
so I wonder if it's just stuff they had laying around in the UK/EU warehouse...
Jackal90 wrote:There is no risk of losing value from buying it like many loot box systems, so it’s only a gamble if you want specific models.
Why would you not want specific models?
If you just want something nice to paint up, you are still going to be more interested in painting some things than others.
If you want some nice bits for kitbashing, you are still going to be a lot more interested in some kits than others.
There are currently 371 products with the keyword "Imperium" in the webstore. If I had zero models and a desire to start some Imperium project, I'd want some very specific ones to start out with. If I already had things, there will be certain things I would not want more of. Not to mention that such a broad category may well give you a bundle of stuff you don't even want for the same project. Even if the bundle was faction-specific I wouldn't want it, as even then there are plenty of sets I either wouldn't be interested in at all, or not interested in having a duplicate off. Especially since the reason I don't want it is possibly the same few other people want it, which leads it to sell badly, which leads it to being thrown out at 50% off, but in a blind buy because even at 50% off they might not find many buyers if said buyers knew what they were getting.
beast_gts wrote:so I wonder if it's just stuff they had laying around in the UK/EU warehouse...
Of course it is. Why else would they do this? Because they love their customers and they love their product and they just want to share it more cheaply with us out of the goodness of their hearts?
Well, at least it appears to have been successful strategy. For GW. And hopefully it worked out well for some customers too.
I swear, has no one on this site ever heard of Loot Crate? This isn't a videogame microtransaction where you buy a loot box that contains a random skin or weapon that can be valued from $X-$Y. This is a bundle box whose contents have a specific value of $X. That's not gambling in the slightest. It's a Kinder Egg without the choclate.
Vaktathi wrote: Mainly because people don't actually know the specifics of what they're buying and paying for, and similar sales tactics with other forms of gaming have been found to be predatory in nature and ultimately a form of gambling, attracting legislative attention in many nations across the planet.
But this is not a designed rarity/scarcity product, like it would be with something digital. This is literally product accumulated in a warehouse. So, while there is a surface-level similarity, they are hardly the same thing in my estimation.
When one buys what GW offered, you know you are getting warehouse leftover/overstock and are buying it sight unseen. That really isn't "shady" as far as I can tell, it literally says what it is right up-front. When you are buying some digital commodity, the back-end is highly manipulated to "release" desirable content in a manner that game-theoretically incentives you to buy more. But in this case, since there is a physically product, no instant gratification, and no actual chance for repeat purchases, again, seems to me the similarities are only really superficial.
Buying things sight-unseen is only notionally akin to "gambling." They are not the same thing, in any and every case, as far as I can tell.
When did this stuff even go up? I just gave it a look and it's already no longer available online here. Although I don't think the appeal of a mystery box is worth $225.
Oaka wrote: The ad says both models and products are included. They wouldn't stick an 8th edition codex in there would they?
I’d feel a bit cheated if they did, TBH
Why? They're current valid product, one that'll they'll want to shift stock of. i assumed the Imperial box would have 1 or 2 codex's in, plus some random gak like combat gauges. It certainly won't be 100% models.
I find it interesting that people are assuming that it might include a codex or two. I find it really unlikely that GW would include a codex or two in this especially seen as we just got a new addition that is making all of the current codexes invalid. It is already likely to be a bunch of garbage that would just poor salt into the wound. GW "Here, have an out of date codex too."
Nice privateer press mystery box all over again. Except with even worse stuff, because they are avoiding the USA and Canada meaning that it is stuff they already can't sell at a 30 percent markup. aka GW fake exchange rate.
So basically Europe gets the bottom of barrel stuff they want to unload and clear their warehouses. Wonder how much free dust comes in each box.
Vaktathi wrote: I expect these boxes absolutely will be a huge savings off MSRP, but if the box doesn't have a significant number of things the purchaser interested in, then it wasn't a terribly great value.
Nah man. I need 8 pots of Moot Green and 4 mould line scrapers!
Grab bags are nothing new! I don't know who in their right mind back in the day wanted to spend $100 or so on a grab bag, but we live in a terrifying new world now.
Vaktathi wrote: Mainly because people don't actually know the specifics of what they're buying and paying for, and similar sales tactics with other forms of gaming have been found to be predatory in nature and ultimately a form of gambling, attracting legislative attention in many nations across the planet.
But this is not a designed rarity/scarcity product, like it would be with something digital. This is literally product accumulated in a warehouse. So, while there is a surface-level similarity, they are hardly the same thing in my estimation.
When one buys what GW offered, you know you are getting warehouse leftover/overstock and are buying it sight unseen. That really isn't "shady" as far as I can tell, it literally says what it is right up-front. When you are buying some digital commodity, the back-end is highly manipulated to "release" desirable content in a manner that game-theoretically incentives you to buy more. But in this case, since there is a physically product, no instant gratification, and no actual chance for repeat purchases, again, seems to me the similarities are only really superficial.
Buying things sight-unseen is only notionally akin to "gambling." They are not the same thing, in any and every case, as far as I can tell.
While I can acknowledge the nuance, and they're not exactly the same, it still feels very much in the same vein, and I don't think the product being physical changes anything there. At best, to my eyes, it's people buying something simply because its on sale for its own sake, except they have no idea what they're actually getting. GW could just as easily have put the overstock items on sale directly. That may just be me however
porkuslime wrote: Those of you who went for the Underworlds box, can you please help out a curious Yank and post what you ended up with?
-P
Will do. It’s a game I’ve not played, but have an interest in. Figure it’s got to contain three or more Warbands, so should get my value out of it! Seems it ships within two days, so with luck I’ll have it Saturday at the latest.
angel of death 007 wrote: Nice privateer press mystery box all over again. Except with even worse stuff, because they are avoiding the USA and Canada meaning that it is stuff they already can't sell at a 30 percent markup. aka GW fake exchange rate.
So basically Europe gets the bottom of barrel stuff they want to unload and clear their warehouses. Wonder how much free dust comes in each box.
Probably a lot of dust. Its worth clicking on the UK store and the various Imperium lines and looking at what's 'temporarily out of stock.'
Unless something really weird is going on, these boxes can't include basilisks, catachans, taurox, aggressors, elimantors, stormtalons, invictors, impulsors, etc, etc.
I'll be shocked if this wasn't heavily curated, and anyone gets recent kits or anything primaris.
I don't see anything wrong with this, and think it is quite different from loot boxes in video games. The fact that it is a physical product and there is a set retail price which is being discounted makes a difference IMHO.
Rather than comparing it to digital loot boxes, which really is gambling, I think it is much closer to the "free" random, wrapped present given to kids when they're parents pay for them to visit Santa.
Random goodie bags like the turtle suprise bags form the 90s with an assortment of toys and sweets, or kinder eggs are also a better comparison.
Vaktathi wrote: While I can acknowledge the nuance, and they're not exactly the same, it still feels very much in the same vein, and I don't think the product being physical changes anything there. At best, to my eyes, it's people buying something simply because its on sale for its own sake, except they have no idea what they're actually getting. GW could just as easily have put the overstock items on sale directly. That may just be me however
Well, again, I think it changes it almost completely really, because it can't be game-theory optimized and limited stock means it can't be impulse re-bought to "chase" anything.
That being said, I think it is a terrible product that has a good chance of being chock-full of "unwanted" junk like out of date Codexs and books, or other things like that. But to me, a terrible product isn't necessarily a nefarious or shady one. At some point, the consumer has to take some responsibility on what they are buying.
Vaktathi wrote: While I can acknowledge the nuance, and they're not exactly the same, it still feels very much in the same vein, and I don't think the product being physical changes anything there. At best, to my eyes, it's people buying something simply because its on sale for its own sake, except they have no idea what they're actually getting. GW could just as easily have put the overstock items on sale directly. That may just be me however
it's really nothing like online loot boxes. the trouble with those is that people spend vast amount of money to either get rare/valuable items that there is no other way of getting, or to accumulate enough items to sell/trade for what they really want. that's a totally differnet situation to here, where you can literally go and buy the specific thing(s) you want, if you don't want to take a pump on a blind box. theres nothing exclusive or rare in these, there is nothing you can't just go click and buy straight from the website, its just a chunk of random stuff at 50% off. and the fact that it is physically definitely makes a difference when you can sell on stuff that you don't want.
It's not similar to a loot box because all the items are the same and it's already sold out, so just a certain amount of stock they need to dump. I'm hoping they contain only models so it would be a good deal for bits collections. I worry they may consider things like books, dice, glue and paint to be 'Imperium' themed.
Now, if it came with a 1-in-5 chance of having a Hammerfall Bunker or Invader ATV before the regular release, we could debate the practice more.
That being said, I think it is a terrible product that has a good chance of being chock-full of "unwanted" junk like out of date Codexs and books, or other things like that. But to me, a terrible product isn't a nefarious or shady one. At some point, the consumer has to take some responsibility on what they are buying.
im not sure it will be, just because it would harm any chance of them doing it again, or anything similar in the future, if its just a load of outdated crap people don't want and can't sell on. i think it'll mainly be models.
Shooter wrote: im not sure it will be, just because it would harm any chance of them doing it again, or anything similar in the future, if its just a load of outdated crap people don't want and can't sell on. i think it'll mainly be models.
Maybe, I don't know, hard to say.
It might well be though, perhaps they are able to "strip" and/or junk-out old books for the tax write offs? I'm honestly unsure how that works really, but I know something like that is done with other books in other industries.
Arbitrator wrote: Imperium one will probably consist of the most ancient Guard and Firstborn stuff.
Underworlds will probably be full of Shadespire and accessories.
I don't know why GW don't just open an Ebay Outlet of their own at this point.
Who said they didn't open a market or atleast those working for GW may have. There are random ebay vendors that show up out of the blue with GW stuff at good prices then vanish. I think in the company structure there are some bad apples who go against the grain. Their employees aren't built in a factory and are not robots so I am sure that somewhere there is stuff that leaks through the cracks.
Privateer Press has done this successfully for a few years now. Kinda wanted the Warhammer Underworlds one, but they've already sold out for US. Teach me to check Warhammer Community earlier in the morning
Wow...sold out most everywhere already and not available in the US. Not interested myself but just interesting how fast GW can push product.
Too much gambling involved for my taste - especially with the "theme" of Imperium. That is less a theme and more a statement that the possibilities are stupidly varied.
I'd be more ok with it if they were less of a gamble, and hell, if it had a list of "this is what you might get, and the chances of it" listing. Like trading card games that have boosters with X common items, Y uncommon, and Z rares. At least then you know roughly what you are getting into and the odds of getting X Y or Z kits.
As is, the themes need to be more...helpful. Considering how much fluff they have to work with, GW could easily narrow the focus down enough to actually be helpful to players. I mean, if they don't want to go into the distant past they could even theme it off of Psychic Awakening campaign books and still have big option lists - each book had what 2-4 factions featured? Ok, lootbox is themed on Genestealer Cults, Tau, and Imperial Guard - "Common" units are the basic infantry of the factions, along with some of their oldest plastic kits (Cadians, Scions, Fire Warriors, Neophytes, etc), "Uncommon" is maybe a bigger toy, like a Sentinel, Broadside, the new biker kits, and HQs, and then rare would be the centerpiece model - a Riptide, Leman Russ, Deathstrike, Goliath, etc. The buyer gets the list of possibilities, along with the rarity tier for each and a rough idea of how many of each tier are guaranteed per box. At least that way it isn't just a complete guesswork. And bonus points it isn't a selection tier of half of the factions in the game.
Turnip Jedi wrote: Just out of morbid curiousity to anyone with retail know-wots are there some retail / marketting theory or dogma that doesnt approve of sales* ?
I think maybe you want to look at the idea of Veblen Goods.
There are/were companies that forbid sales on their items. In the old days, for example, Bose items were always exempt from any store sales, but they did occasionally run sales of their own.
I think the general idea though is that if you are a Veblen good, you do not want people to get the idea that you could get that good for cheaper, because the desirability (and thus demand) is tied to the high price of the good itself. That being said, you still do need to move product at some point, especially low-selling stuff.
But I am not some business wizard, so take this all as strictly my opinion, not in any way, shape or form a fact of that matter.
People have been given a choice and either voted with their wallet or not. Given the quick, no notice, sell outs this has obviously been a success.
It is valid to complain about the practice in of itself, but there is no point complaining about the contents until these are delivered to those that bought them and we have an idea of what has been sent out.
People have been given a choice and either voted with their wallet or not. Given the quick, no notice, sell outs this has obviously been a success.
It is valid to complain about the practice in of itself, but there is no point complaining about the contents until these are delivered to those that bought them and we have an idea of what has been sent out.
Well said. I'm sure your comment will be rapidly drowned out.
People have been given a choice and either voted with their wallet or not. Given the quick, no notice, sell outs this has obviously been a success.
It is valid to complain about the practice in of itself, but there is no point complaining about the contents until these are delivered to those that bought them and we have an idea of what has been sent out.
Well said. I'm sure your comment will be rapidly drowned out.
GW mail order used to do stuff like this in the early 2000s. Once they had racks of metal bits fall over in the US warehouse, so they bagged them up and sold them by the pound as grab bags. I really don't understand the big deal here. If you don't like the offer, don't buy.
People have been given a choice and either voted with their wallet or not. Given the quick, no notice, sell outs this has obviously been a success.
It is valid to complain about the practice in of itself, but there is no point complaining about the contents until these are delivered to those that bought them and we have an idea of what has been sent out.
Well said. I'm sure your comment will be rapidly drowned out.
GW mail order used to do stuff like this in the early 2000s. Once they had racks of metal bits fall over in the US warehouse, so they bagged them up and sold them by the pound as grab bags. I really don't understand the big deal here. If you don't like the offer, don't buy.
To be fair, with regards to bitz, a big grab bag of random stuff is often exactly what people are looking for to begin with. I feel that's an important distinction.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unboxing different Cadians.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the 8Ed and other adjustments made to stimulus checks before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average yearly wage on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have kits that are impossible to put togather, 20 years old, and of course attainable via paying us absurd prices.
We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Dakkadakka, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update absolutely never.
What?
Boring "joke" trying too hard to be funny so failing at it epic time.
Irkjoe wrote: This isn't a good sign, privateer press did the same thing to unload all the crap that wasn't selling. Watch it be a crate of finecast.
PP's situation was totally different. They'd had very slow sales before and were moving their head office. So coupled to a slump in sales and a slump in new customers they were also moving sites. So they had a lot of excess stock to dump onto the market. GW isn't having a slump in sales (they are booming) and GW isn't moving site so they are clearly not looking to shift most of their inventory in one go.
GW is in exceptional growth at present so yeah the difference is night and day between their position and PP's. Furthermore PP was dumping metals and resins not just plastics; GW is likely only dropping plastics and perhaps some finecast. One being a product that is dirt cheap to produce en-mass once the mould is made; the other being a material they are steadily phasing out.
Again the situation is very different; plus GW has only done two boxes and might not do many more or might only do them at random in random territories as needed. PP Was doing basically everything they sold.
Turnip Jedi wrote: Just out of morbid curiousity to anyone with retail know-wots are there some retail / marketting theory or dogma that doesnt approve of sales* ?
This just seems an odd, albeit scary effective it seems, way to clear stock
* and im sure way way back early 90s GW did have store sales, explains my vyper and warwalker backlog
Sales depend on the product, and mostly apply to seasonal clothing and other goods.
In the tech world, a bleeding edge TV is pricey. But, give it a couple of years, and said bleeding edge is somewhat dulled. You may have leftover stock for numerous possible reasons. Now, stock isn’t money in that realm. You’ve had to buy it wholesale, and whilst the units sit in your warehouse, it’s costing you to store them, and reducing space for possibly more profitable lines.
So you announce a sale, Mark them down, and get shot of them.
Clothing much the same, especially as your stock predictions can be upturned by crap, unseasonable weather.
GW? Don’t really have any of these concerns. First, they produce the vast majority of product in house. And GW know when a new kit is about to replace a new one - so they’ve far more control over production levels. Err on the side of caution and arguably underproducing isn’t a massive hassle, as they can always cast up more if needed.
That removes much of the motivation for a sale, as they’re far less likely to have literal Old Hat lurking around.
These? Well, it could be a toe in the water. It could be related to sales impact from COVID-19, and a need to get stock shifted from the warehouse.
Yes, 50% is a hefty discount. Especially when you consider the often reported wholesale price of 60%. But it’s still freeing up inventory, and making at least some money.
As covered, I went for the Underworlds box, as I’ve an interest in the game, but only the Nightvault starter set. So come what may, I’m in a good position to juice maximum value from whatever goodies are coming to me. The “Imperium” one? No interest, as it’s such a catch all term for 40k, and my fear is it’ll be a hodgepodge of stuff I just won’t use.
With Underworlds? It’s entirely possible it’ll be the hook not just for me, but my gaming club. Almost certainly £65 well spent on my behalf, potentially multiple new recruits to that system for GW.
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Stormonu wrote: I wonder if the quick sellout was primarily due to scalpers, or if it was indeed picked up by the community at large.
Hoping the latter, but fearing the former...
Seems a risky purchase for Scalpers to be honest. They rely on low availability, high desirability products. Blind buying goes against that.
kurhanik wrote: Wow...sold out most everywhere already and not available in the US. Not interested myself but just interesting how fast GW can push product.
Too much gambling involved for my taste - especially with the "theme" of Imperium. That is less a theme and more a statement that the possibilities are stupidly varied.
I'd be more ok with it if they were less of a gamble, and hell, if it had a list of "this is what you might get, and the chances of it" listing. Like trading card games that have boosters with X common items, Y uncommon, and Z rares. At least then you know roughly what you are getting into and the odds of getting X Y or Z kits.
As is, the themes need to be more...helpful. Considering how much fluff they have to work with, GW could easily narrow the focus down enough to actually be helpful to players. I mean, if they don't want to go into the distant past they could even theme it off of Psychic Awakening campaign books and still have big option lists - each book had what 2-4 factions featured? Ok, lootbox is themed on Genestealer Cults, Tau, and Imperial Guard - "Common" units are the basic infantry of the factions, along with some of their oldest plastic kits (Cadians, Scions, Fire Warriors, Neophytes, etc), "Uncommon" is maybe a bigger toy, like a Sentinel, Broadside, the new biker kits, and HQs, and then rare would be the centerpiece model - a Riptide, Leman Russ, Deathstrike, Goliath, etc. The buyer gets the list of possibilities, along with the rarity tier for each and a rough idea of how many of each tier are guaranteed per box. At least that way it isn't just a complete guesswork. And bonus points it isn't a selection tier of half of the factions in the game.
that is a completely different business model to what is happening here. this is getting rid of a large surplus of a small number of sets. the contents of every box (for a given region) is the same. they aren't trying to do this to drum up sales, just to move stuff that they no longer want a load of. if they don't have an excess of 'centre piece' models then there isn't going to be one in there, and there certainly isn't going to be anything new in there. going with your idea and then selling it at 50% off would be a terrible business decision for them.
Stormonu wrote: I wonder if the quick sellout was primarily due to scalpers, or if it was indeed picked up by the community at large.
Hoping the latter, but fearing the former...
If any scalpers bought this, they aren't very bright.
The most likely products in these boxes are overstock- stuff that isn't popular and isn't selling. This is especially true since the products that are selling are either out of stock or are now being tracked in the 'selling fast' section of the website (which are unlikely to be in these boxes).
Odds are pretty good that this is low demand stuff with the occasional gem that will tickle the buyer (because they like the model, it fits with a project or just appeals for some other reason). Scalpers want something they can reliably turn around at an obvious profit. Limited boxes are ideal, OP meta choices are bread and butter, but blind boxes are one of the worst possible gambles.
Stormonu wrote: I wonder if the quick sellout was primarily due to scalpers, or if it was indeed picked up by the community at large.
Hoping the latter, but fearing the former...
How would this matter? If picked up by 'scalpers', then they're going to appear on UK Ebay, and shipping will make it unaffordable for those in the US. They couldn't be picked up by those in the US, cause they're not available here at all.
I don't understand the hand-wringing about this. They already have the cheapest prices in the UK, by virtue of pricing in GBP + discounts, plus the magazine subscription thing, plus now these boxes. What 'scalper' is going to make money in that market, for things no one wanted in the first place, or were flooded into the market (i.e. chainrasps)?
Remember its not "stuff no one wants" its more likely "stuff that GW overproduced on". There might even be some popular stuff in there which GW just over-estimated on.
It wasn't done in the USA. Furthermore content at each region was different; which highlights that this was clearing inventory which the USA warehouse likely didn't have.
Dealers at conventions have been doing Mystery Boxes for years. Customers love them because they feel they're getting a deal and the dealers make money on stock that wasn't selling at full retail and wasting space at their actual stores. You can't go anywhere at GenCon without seeing at least 2-3 people carrying one around.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Interesting and certainly out of left field. If and when they do an AoS and possibly Middle-Earth one, i may take a punt.
Middle-earth could be interesting. Thing is, are they packed with only plastic stuff? Because the majority of the LOTR and Hobbit is metal and Finecast. I guess we'll have to see what's in these first boxes
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I bet the Underworlds one is gonna be counters, dice, card sleeves, and such trash, with one actual warband in it. The worst-selling one, perhaps.
I’ve got one on order.
£10 says you’re just complaining for attention, and are therefore wrong.
Platuan4th wrote: Dealers at conventions have been doing Mystery Boxes for years. Customers love them because they feel they're getting a deal and the dealers make money on stock that wasn't selling at full retail and wasting space at their actual stores. You can't go anywhere at GenCon without seeing at least 2-3 people carrying one around.
Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting.
Underworlds, will just be season one or two warbands, the older harder to shift ones or something.
Fine for new starters.
Why everyone is saying it’ll be 5xthis box and 3x this.
It obviously won’t be.
And yeah, much more like loot crate. It isn't a loot box with unknown quantity. Will I get a rare, or just a common.
Just a what will my £150 value be (yes it might not be amazing things, but it will be £150 of stuff)...
I remember when my store did a £5 old white dwarf, bundled with a load of old metal and plastics in a bag, as a way of clearing stuff.
They were awesome value (like £30/40 in each rrp, plus the mag.
Obviously it’ll never be that good now. I bought about 10 of them, some were things I only sold in the last year or so as well sought models..
It must have been around 5th ed fantasy..
However, this being GW I'm sure it's full of old Dark Eldar models.
Dark Eldars are part of the Imperium, now ?
Otherwise, yes, it's a lootcrate. And this is an old trick that always worked - using the mystery and telling about perceived value of what you could have.
Not really glorious, sure, but there is a reason why it sells so good for others companies. It's a bit alike to gambling, in the end.
Anyway, it sold out in a flash. We'll see if we'll get something else later on other themes.
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Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting.
But carry on with the outrage, folks.
they are selling random collections for 100€?
or random games?
ChargerIIC wrote: Privateer Press has done this successfully for a few years now. Kinda wanted the Warhammer Underworlds one, but they've already sold out for US. Teach me to check Warhammer Community earlier in the morning
Maybe since Privateer stated the purpose of their random boxes was the clear out the warehouse for a forced move (area was rezoned) it didn't cause the level of negative reactions this is? Or maybe people just like to complain about GW. Probably both.
ChargerIIC wrote: Privateer Press has done this successfully for a few years now. Kinda wanted the Warhammer Underworlds one, but they've already sold out for US. Teach me to check Warhammer Community earlier in the morning
Maybe since Privateer stated the purpose of their random boxes was the clear out the warehouse for a forced move (area was rezoned) it didn't cause the level of negative reactions this is? Or maybe people just like to complain about GW. Probably both.
GWjust completed a new warehouse. Maybe they're selling off some of the older stock that doesn't move at a discount rather than moving it to the new warehouse?
ChargerIIC wrote: Privateer Press has done this successfully for a few years now. Kinda wanted the Warhammer Underworlds one, but they've already sold out for US. Teach me to check Warhammer Community earlier in the morning
Maybe since Privateer stated the purpose of their random boxes was the clear out the warehouse for a forced move (area was rezoned) it didn't cause the level of negative reactions this is? Or maybe people just like to complain about GW. Probably both.
GWjust completed a new warehouse. Maybe they're selling off some of the older stock that doesn't move at a discount rather than moving it to the new warehouse?
Makes sense. the manhours to move and reorganize for a new warehouse is quite involved. This is an easy way to offload things and break even -- or in GWs case make some money. It's a pretty common practice too.
People have been given a choice and either voted with their wallet or not. Given the quick, no notice, sell outs this has obviously been a success.
It is valid to complain about the practice in of itself, but there is no point complaining about the contents until these are delivered to those that bought them and we have an idea of what has been sent out.
Well said. I'm sure your comment will be rapidly drowned out.
GW mail order used to do stuff like this in the early 2000s. Once they had racks of metal bits fall over in the US warehouse, so they bagged them up and sold them by the pound as grab bags. I really don't understand the big deal here. If you don't like the offer, don't buy.
To be fair, with regards to bitz, a big grab bag of random stuff is often exactly what people are looking for to begin with. I feel that's an important distinction.
That’s pretty much what I’d want. I used to buy the bags from Battlewagon Bits because they were so useful. Flying Frog sell bags of random Brinstone bits for $15 and I’ve never been disappointed yet. I wish more companies sold bags with a wide sampling of bits for a good price.
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around. Keep an eye out, though – you never know what the future might bring!
However, this being GW I'm sure it's full of old Dark Eldar models.
Dark Eldars are part of the Imperium, now ?
Otherwise, yes, it's a lootcrate. And this is an old trick that always worked - using the mystery and telling about perceived value of what you could have.
Not really glorious, sure, but there is a reason why it sells so good for others companies. It's a bit alike to gambling, in the end.
Anyway, it sold out in a flash. We'll see if we'll get something else later on other themes.
I figured "Imperial" Supply was just a moniker they were using for the name of it, not that it was only limited to Imperial forces. I'm assuming there may be a mix of Chaos, (Dark) Eldar, Admech, Tau, maybe Titanicus or Aeronauticus or whatever they have on hand they want to throw in. Not sure if it would include non-model stuff. Was there something in the WarCom information that stated it was specifically imperial only, as I couldn't even seem to find an article other than what was put in the first post.
When it comes to GW, this sort of thing wouldn't be for me - I'm looking for specific items, and wouldn't want to end up with something that'd start me down the track of collecting yet another army. For those that got them though, hope they find happiness with what they receive!
Proof that people will buy literally anything with a GW logo on it, especially if it's a "deal!"
This is why GW acts the way it does. People still buy their stuff, even when it's literally "here, pay us 75 quid without even knowing what you're going to get! grats on your 6 cadian heavy weapon squads LOL!"
I figured "Imperial" Supply was just a moniker they were using for the name of it, not that it was only limited to Imperial forces. I'm assuming there may be a mix of Chaos, (Dark) Eldar, Admech, Tau, maybe Titanicus or Aeronauticus or whatever they have on hand they want to throw in. Not sure if it would include non-model stuff. Was there something in the WarCom information that stated it was specifically imperial only, as I couldn't even seem to find an article other than what was put in the first post
Supply Drop is the general term. If you look at the product pages -
This Imperium Supply Drop has been chosen by our crafty pickers to contain a vast array of awesome Imperium-themed kits. But just what are they? You’ll have to order your own set to find out…
This Warhammer Underworlds Supply Drop contains lots of Warhammer Underworlds goodies, including accessories, expansions and maybe even more. But just what are they? You'll have to order your own set to find out...
yukishiro1 wrote: Proof that people will buy literally anything with a GW logo on it, especially if it's a "deal!"
This is why GW acts the way it does. People still buy their stuff, even when it's literally "here, pay us 75 quid without even knowing what you're going to get! grats on your 6 cadian heavy weapon squads LOL!"
I'd be really happy with 6 cadian Heavy Weapon squads for £75.
I have no idea what your issue is.
Regarding Cadians in general, people seem to have a lot of hate for them, but with a simply head swap I think that they are great.
I really like my Cadian army with Forge World head upgrades.
People who complain have new reason to complain. In other news sky blue water wet.
In all seriousness if you've been to the GWHQ you'll realise that the space they have is finite - there warehouse was fit to burst with product when I worked there a few years back. There really wasn't an awful lot of space to add more products and certain areas (paints) were a massive headache to pick without getting in someone elses way. I genuinely cannot imagine how they fit half the stuff they've release since then and fill orders properly.
I would much rather GW did something like this, rather then dump reams and stock into landfill...
Speaking of 'ditching' stock and getting 'duff' products - here's the main bit that convinced me from the WarCom article.
Additionally, each Supply Drop will have a theme to give you some idea of what you’re getting. This time around, we’re bringing you the Imperium Supply Drop
Lets say we're getting nothing thats been released in the last... five years. So no Primaris, no sisters, no custodes, no mechanicus. What does that leave?
Now, if you want a bit of educated guessing...
- All the catachans are out of stock. When did that happen?
- Taurox's are out of stock? Are they a big seller given you get one in the storm trooper set?
- Anything thats in a start collecting set is worth more separately. If your theme is imperial guard, you'll probably get storm troopers.
Ignoring all that, in a super worse case scenario, I gain some stuff for kill team, terrain, gifts for others and the local charity shops (which, being Nottingham - will quickly get snapped up)
I would much rather GW did something like this, rather then dump reams and stock into landfill...
This. I have no idea why people are so upset. I'd rather see GW do this every year than trash perfectly good product and throw it away.
People who want surprises and like buying random stuff on the cheap can do so. People who don't can choose not to.
Gomezaddams wrote: People who complain have new reason to complain. In other news sky blue water wet.
In all seriousness if you've been to the GWHQ you'll realise that the space they have is finite - there warehouse was fit to burst with product when I worked there a few years back. There really wasn't an awful lot of space to add more products and certain areas (paints) were a massive headache to pick without getting in someone elses way. I genuinely cannot imagine how they fit half the stuff they've release since then and fill orders properly.
I would much rather GW did something like this, rather then dump reams and stock into landfill...
They could have just actively put specific products on direct sale. Nobody is complaining that GW is relieving themselves of excess inventory, it's that they're essentially selling a mystery box that has the potential to end up being largely or totally worthless for many purchasers. It's a ~$100 gamble. That's the objection. However, obviously enough people felt differently to allow GW to sell out in the blink of an eye, so make of that what you will.
GW mail order used to do stuff like this in the early 2000s. Once they had racks of metal bits fall over in the US warehouse, so they bagged them up and sold them by the pound as grab bags.
Shovelbits was amazing. I bought a bunch too - got a complete Mad Dok Grotsnik and a bunch of other cool stuff. I know a bunch of people complained about getting 40x of exactly the same piece (even though we were all warned well in advance that this might happen) and GW compensated those people with more stuff that probably disincentivized them from ever running such a promotion again.
In the UK back in the early 90s shops would have mystery boxes when they opened. I don't remember the price (a fiver? A tenner?) but it was amazing value. I remember my box had a super cyboar that was missing a head (eventually ordered through the bitz service) and a bunch of Rogue Trader adventurers, spacefarers and whatnot. Great times!
Gomezaddams wrote: People who complain have new reason to complain. In other news sky blue water wet.
In all seriousness if you've been to the GWHQ you'll realise that the space they have is finite - there warehouse was fit to burst with product when I worked there a few years back. There really wasn't an awful lot of space to add more products and certain areas (paints) were a massive headache to pick without getting in someone elses way. I genuinely cannot imagine how they fit half the stuff they've release since then and fill orders properly.
I would much rather GW did something like this, rather then dump reams and stock into landfill...
They could have just actively put specific products on direct sale. Nobody is complaining that GW is relieving themselves of excess inventory, it's that they're essentially selling a mystery box that has the potential to end up being largely or totally worthless for many purchasers. It's a ~$100 gamble. That's the objection. However, obviously enough people felt differently to allow GW to sell out in the blink of an eye, so make of that what you will.
It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They could have just actively put specific products on direct sale.
If you mean at a deep discount... yes, but that wouldn't necessarily fix the problem if the issue is an abundance of catachan heavy weapon teams for example...
Nobody is complaining that GW is relieving themselves of excess inventory, it's that they're essentially selling a mystery box that has the potential to end up being largely or totally worthless for many purchasers. It's a ~$100 gamble. That's the objection
But... there not. Sure you get a random selection of items, but its not that random. Its either 'Imperium ' (in which case the list I posted meets those criteria, and lets be honest this isn't designed for the 1 in 100 gamers who only collects things like mechanised steel legion) or 'Underworlds' (in which case it'll be anything from seasons one and two with some dice and cards etc).
Its not completely random. At a 50% discount you will at least make your money back...
Impressive that the imperial version is already sold out after less than a day. Wonder how long till we find out how much, or little the purchasers actually got. Will the total value actually be 2X the cost? Will it just be kits that have been replaced recently, like the old marines or some resin models that are being made into plastic in like, a week.
Dudeface wrote: It's weird, they can offer blind product at 50% off and that's cheap enough for people to launch at it until they're sold out, regardless of contents. Hopefully it might show them that if they lower prices there would be a feeding frenzy.
That's not sound business or practical. There's a finite amount of product that can be made. If you produce more and sell more, but make smaller margins the only thing that goes up is your costs.
This is most certainly a warehouse clearing activity to make room, because space is finite, too. Its a nice boon for kit bashers and dabblers though.
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They sold out. Seems like it went very well for them.
I'm really confused by this thread, you have people angry that the company even did this. Then you have people angry that they missed out on it. And then you have people angry at the content. And there is overlap between all three. Very odd.
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Argive wrote: As been pointed out ebfore with BOTP 50% of something you dont want or need is not really a a bargain..
But whatever. Good luck to the "imerium" players whatever that means lol.
People model too. It's not always about playing the game for some people.
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They sold out. Seems like it went very well for them.
I'm really confused by this thread, you have people angry that the company even did this. Then you have people angry that they missed out on it. And then you have people angry at the content. And there is overlap between all three. Very odd.
People model too. It's not always about playing the game for some people.
Or they had laughably small amounts of the boxes made up. There could have been as little as a dozen as far as we know.
Admittedly we know very little about what's inside. Hell the blindbags you see at supermarkets usually give more info on the possible contents. This could be a further testing of the waters after the little Bandai blind bag minis they did a little while back.
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They sold out. Seems like it went very well for them.
I'm really confused by this thread, you have people angry that the company even did this. Then you have people angry that they missed out on it. And then you have people angry at the content. And there is overlap between all three. Very odd.
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Argive wrote: As been pointed out ebfore with BOTP 50% of something you dont want or need is not really a a bargain..
But whatever. Good luck to the "imerium" players whatever that means lol.
People model too. It's not always about playing the game for some people.
Sure.
But you'd generally buy the stuff you need for your creation.
Hard to have a vision if you dotn know what you are working with.
Im glad they cleared out their warehouse though. Good for them.
Daedalus81 wrote: This is most certainly a warehouse clearing activity to make room, because space is finite, too. Its a nice boon for kit bashers and dabblers though.
As I noted above, GW just finished a new warehouse that will be it's main distribution hub about two weeks ago and set to open in the Fall:
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They sold out. Seems like it went very well for them.
I'm really confused by this thread, you have people angry that the company even did this. Then you have people angry that they missed out on it. And then you have people angry at the content. And there is overlap between all three. Very odd.
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Argive wrote: As been pointed out ebfore with BOTP 50% of something you dont want or need is not really a a bargain..
But whatever. Good luck to the "imerium" players whatever that means lol.
People model too. It's not always about playing the game for some people.
Sure.
But you'd generally buy the stuff you need for your creation.
Hard to have a vision if you dotn know what you are working with.
Im glad they cleared out their warehouse though. Good for them.
Eh, i'd disagree with that. When i feel in a creative mood, i'll just tip the bitz box out on the table and rifle through until some inspiration strikes me. If i was into the imperium side of things, i would likely have gotten this as it would have given me a cheap load of odds and sods to play with.
Nothing in those crates says they will be only, or even mostly, models.
I bet it'll be filled to the brim with dice, random game mats and card sleeves.
Vineheart01 wrote: "Not available in American/Canadian market"
Dont think any of us want this anyway. Sounds like a disgusting moneygrab trick like any lootbox is.
The character-loot-boxes was bad enough but cross-army lootbox? most people dont have 4-6 armies.
Imperium is such a broad umbrella of things that I'm sure someone would have gotten a little bit of use out of anything they got. Or they might have been able to offload it or gift it to someone who would make use of it.
I would have loved to be able to get a hold of the Underworlds one. I'm missing a few warbands(Ogres, Nurgle, and the Dreadfane sets) and wouldn't mind painting up 'Inspired' versions of the others.
Jackal90 wrote: I’d avoid an AoS one like the plague if you plan on selling it on.
Conquest has nuked the price of a large chunk of stormcasts and nighthaunt line.
I wouldn’t risk the chances of getting something like a box of chainwrasps valued at £25 when they are £8 on eBay.
Apparently the fantasy one is Warhammer underworlds specific. So it could just be a bunch of the different faction boxes, or one of the terrain sets. If it was the other chaos skirmish game i'd be up for it honestly.
Daedalus81 wrote: This is most certainly a warehouse clearing activity to make room, because space is finite, too. Its a nice boon for kit bashers and dabblers though.
As I noted above, GW just finished a new warehouse that will be it's main distribution hub about two weeks ago and set to open in the Fall:
That's about 11 miles from from GW's HQ, so it's more likely a 'it's cheaper to sell it than to move it' thing.
Well, it's a warehouse, not a new factory - so they have to transport their stuff to it every day. And looking at this:
the new Games Workshop building features a suite of facilities to ensure employee wellbeing, including a dedicated gymnasium, shower facilities, cycle routes and secure storage space.
... I don't think a few truckloads are a real problem for them.
Daedalus81 wrote: This is most certainly a warehouse clearing activity to make room, because space is finite, too. Its a nice boon for kit bashers and dabblers though.
As I noted above, GW just finished a new warehouse that will be it's main distribution hub about two weeks ago and set to open in the Fall:
That's about 11 miles from from GW's HQ, so it's more likely a 'it's cheaper to sell it than to move it' thing.
Well, it's a warehouse, not a new factory - so they have to transport their stuff to it every day. And looking at this:
the new Games Workshop building features a suite of facilities to ensure employee wellbeing, including a dedicated gymnasium, shower facilities, cycle routes and secure storage space.
... I don't think a few truckloads are a real problem for them.
And how many truckloads do they have to move then? And is there really any reason to move product that's collecting dust in one warehouse so it can collect dust in another warehouse?
Cronch wrote: Nothing in those crates says they will be only, or even mostly, models.
I bet it'll be filled to the brim with dice, random game mats and card sleeves.
That being said, oof, a bit of a new low for GW.
The description says "a secretly selected array of Warhammer kits". I'm unaware that dice, mats and sleeves comes under the description of "kits". So why is this a low thing?
I'm not sure what's so surprising about it. Blind boxes have always been a fairly safe bet, and they've done quite well for other companies that have done similar (I've bought one of Mantic's mystery boxes in the past despite actively disliking at least half of their model range, and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was for the price).
People like mystery boxes, particularly if they're getting product at a discount, and there are plenty of people out there who either don't care what army the models belong to, collect enough different armies that whatever they get is potentially useful, or would happily use whatever they get as the basis of a new army to start. I laughed at the commend earlier in the thread about 'enjoying' getting a bunch of Cadian heavy sprues. Frankly, I'd love to get a bunch of heavy weapon teams at a discount - those sprues are a treasure trove of conversion fodder.
Honestly, the only thing that raises my eyebrow about this is the pricepoint. It's too high to be tempting for me personally, but I'm not at all surprised that they sold out.
cody.d. wrote: Impressive that the imperial version is already sold out after less than a day. Wonder how long till we find out how much, or little the purchasers actually got. Will the total value actually be 2X the cost? Will it just be kits that have been replaced recently, like the old marines or some resin models that are being made into plastic in like, a week.
I'm going to lol so hard if it's 99% failcast leftovers.
Daedalus81 wrote: This is most certainly a warehouse clearing activity to make room, because space is finite, too. Its a nice boon for kit bashers and dabblers though.
As I noted above, GW just finished a new warehouse that will be it's main distribution hub about two weeks ago and set to open in the Fall:
That's about 11 miles from from GW's HQ, so it's more likely a 'it's cheaper to sell it than to move it' thing.
Well, it's a warehouse, not a new factory - so they have to transport their stuff to it every day. And looking at this:
the new Games Workshop building features a suite of facilities to ensure employee wellbeing, including a dedicated gymnasium, shower facilities, cycle routes and secure storage space.
... I don't think a few truckloads are a real problem for them.
And how many truckloads do they have to move then? And is there really any reason to move product that's collecting dust in one warehouse so it can collect dust in another warehouse?
That would be the case in some 40k products. WH Underworlds? Not so much - they sold them till the cards were out of stock and they're still in the AoS range (and quite an eyecatcher) - to get them for 10€ is a bargain.
Well, just wait and see until the boxes are opened.
P.S. This is 100% because of GW's policy of never putting anything on sale no matter what because they think it undermines their image as a "premium brand." Any normal company would just discount stuff it is having trouble selling, but that's against GW's principles for its brand. In that context, it's a rather clever way to make a few more bucks off exploitable people while maintaining the fiction that GW products never go on sale.
cody.d. wrote: Impressive that the imperial version is already sold out after less than a day. Wonder how long till we find out how much, or little the purchasers actually got. Will the total value actually be 2X the cost? Will it just be kits that have been replaced recently, like the old marines or some resin models that are being made into plastic in like, a week.
I'm going to lol so hard if it's 99% failcast leftovers.
Next month it will be grab bags of liquid green stuff
macluvin wrote: It might have worked out better for them if they just did a week long sale on whatever they are trying to clear out. Or simply added sprues or kits to orders for free randomly. Announcing that may stimulate sales and gives no one a reason to complain. “Oh no I got a free Chadian HWT I don’t want that garbage how dare they pack that in my order” said no one ever... says I with no multi billion dollar company Or business degree XD maybe that’s why I don’t have one...
They sold out. Seems like it went very well for them.
I'm really confused by this thread, you have people angry that the company even did this. Then you have people angry that they missed out on it. And then you have people angry at the content. And there is overlap between all three. Very odd.
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Argive wrote: As been pointed out ebfore with BOTP 50% of something you dont want or need is not really a a bargain..
But whatever. Good luck to the "imerium" players whatever that means lol.
People model too. It's not always about playing the game for some people.
Sure.
But you'd generally buy the stuff you need for your creation.
Hard to have a vision if you dotn know what you are working with.
Im glad they cleared out their warehouse though. Good for them.
Eh, i'd disagree with that. When i feel in a creative mood, i'll just tip the bitz box out on the table and rifle through until some inspiration strikes me. If i was into the imperium side of things, i would likely have gotten this as it would have given me a cheap load of odds and sods to play with.
Yeah but wouldn't you rather pick a new expensive chasis or a kit or two that is going to have at least one major expensive part you want that you don't already have?
I'm sure we all bought a whole kit for a set of wings or a torso at some point in our hobby life lol. But at least you know what you are getting.
For all you know it might be assult marines and tac marines and rhinos and old guard kits etc. that any imperium player collecting for a while will have an abundance of.
If it was 10 quid for a bunch of random bits that'd be one thing. 75 for some random kits without even knowing what army they'll be for is something else entirely. You don't even know that you'll get bits at all - it could be 100% failcast stuff like Crusaders that come in two pieces each.
cody.d. wrote: Impressive that the imperial version is already sold out after less than a day. Wonder how long till we find out how much, or little the purchasers actually got. Will the total value actually be 2X the cost? Will it just be kits that have been replaced recently, like the old marines or some resin models that are being made into plastic in like, a week.
I'm going to lol so hard if it's 99% failcast leftovers.
Next month it will be grab bags of liquid green stuff
yukishiro1 wrote: P.S. This is 100% because of GW's policy of never putting anything on sale no matter what because they think it undermines their image as a "premium brand." Any normal company would just discount stuff it is having trouble selling, but that's against GW's principles for its brand. In that context, it's a rather clever way to make a few more bucks off exploitable people while maintaining the fiction that GW products never go on sale.
Almost every single "normal" company does this. As mentioned, Mantic and Privateer have done it, FFG has done it at conventions, Bandai does it monthly through Bluefin(including stuffing boxes full of their expensive Figuarts figures), Hasbro does it through their webstore and at conventions, McFarlane does it at conventions. Hell, Microsoft does a fully licensed version through Loot Crate. This is nothing new and is definitely not to keep up some sort of "premium appearance ".
I just thought of something: did they specifically exempt this from their normal return policy? I wonder if you can see what you got, decide it was crap, and demand a refund. Nothing on the web listing states it isn't eligible for the return policy, nor did they amend the return policy itself that I can see to exclude them.
Also, for people hoping to resell them, there's no way they will come in original packaging, because that would allow people to return them as the individual kits for effectively double credit - buy kits for 75, return them for 150 in store credit as individual kits, since you don't need proof of purchase to return for credit.
Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting.
But carry on with the outrage, folks.
they are selling random collections for 100€?
or random games?
Random games. Different publishers, types, genres. People buy 'em right up. Think this is them, if you're interested:
vaklor4 wrote: Why on earth is it 225 Canadian but 75 pounds converts to a mere 130? Surely shipping and tax can't hike it up THAT far,.
It wasn't available in Canada at all.
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around.
It was $225 in Australia, because GW prices are always terrible down there.
vaklor4 wrote: Why on earth is it 225 Canadian but 75 pounds converts to a mere 130? Surely shipping and tax can't hike it up THAT far,.
It wasn't available in Canada at all.
Supply Drop will only be available in certain territories this time around so, unfortunately, fans in the US and Canada won’t be able to take advantage of this offer this time around.
It was $225 in Australia, because GW prices are always terrible down there.
It was still priced at 225 Canadian, and posted up, be it "unavailable".
Don't know what to tell you. I get Error 404 records expunged for it on the Canada site, same as US (which makes sense, since the Canada 'site' uses the US warehouse). I can find it on the UK and Aus sites, however.
You sure you aren't on the Aus site? That can often happen if you follow someone else's link- it keeps their country code.
Yeah, it was 18,000 Yen here. Apparently the contents varied from region to region. I'm a little curious as to what it contained, though the way GW prices stuff out here suggests it may well have been "Exactly what was in the UK box, with an addtional 110 pound charge for not being British".
I can't imagine this being worth the money - as people have pointed out, it's pretty clearly a space-clearing excercise. Though probably not as dreadful as people are saying (all out-of-date-codexes (not to say that I don't think they wouldn't toss at lease one in there)), I certainly think there's a danger of it only being stuff that isn't selling because it's available cheaper in a Start Collecting box, and maybe a few dozen miscast Iron Hand Strakens.
I think it's like, an alright business practice (if they were maybe a bit more transparent about it in regards to numbers available, and maybe a few better clues about the contents), but like a few people here, I'd much rather they just did a sale, or like, IDK, made the boxes more affordable? Even at the UK price, 75 quid is pretty steep. If they put it at like 35, but halved the contents, it'd be much more accessable and community friendly. Instead we've got another slightly too expensive boxset that the whales predictably gulped up in minutes. GW are clearly learning their customers' buying habits.
posermcbogus wrote: Yeah, it was 18,000 Yen here. Apparently the contents varied from region to region. I'm a little curious as to what it contained, though the way GW prices stuff out here suggests it may well have been "Exactly what was in the UK box, with an addtional 110 pound charge for not being British".
I can't imagine this being worth the money - as people have pointed out, it's pretty clearly a space-clearing excercise. Though probably not as dreadful as people are saying (all out-of-date-codexes (not to say that I don't think they wouldn't toss at lease one in there)), I certainly think there's a danger of it only being stuff that isn't selling because it's available cheaper in a Start Collecting box, and maybe a few dozen miscast Iron Hand Strakens.
I think it's like, an alright business practice (if they were maybe a bit more transparent about it in regards to numbers available, and maybe a few better clues about the contents), but like a few people here, I'd much rather they just did a sale, or like, IDK, made the boxes more affordable? Even at the UK price, 75 quid is pretty steep. If they put it at like 35, but halved the contents, it'd be much more accessable and community friendly. Instead we've got another slightly too expensive boxset that the whales predictably gulped up in minutes. GW are clearly learning their customers' buying habits.
I have doubts that it will contain out of date codexes specifically. GW does have a policy on destroying stock like that in store. Going full khorne and breaking the spines, tearing them in half etc etc. Or at least in AU they do.
posermcbogus wrote: Yeah, it was 18,000 Yen here. Apparently the contents varied from region to region. I'm a little curious as to what it contained, though the way GW prices stuff out here suggests it may well have been "Exactly what was in the UK box, with an addtional 110 pound charge for not being British".
I can't imagine this being worth the money - as people have pointed out, it's pretty clearly a space-clearing excercise. Though probably not as dreadful as people are saying (all out-of-date-codexes (not to say that I don't think they wouldn't toss at lease one in there)), I certainly think there's a danger of it only being stuff that isn't selling because it's available cheaper in a Start Collecting box, and maybe a few dozen miscast Iron Hand Strakens.
I think it's like, an alright business practice (if they were maybe a bit more transparent about it in regards to numbers available, and maybe a few better clues about the contents), but like a few people here, I'd much rather they just did a sale, or like, IDK, made the boxes more affordable? Even at the UK price, 75 quid is pretty steep. If they put it at like 35, but halved the contents, it'd be much more accessable and community friendly. Instead we've got another slightly too expensive boxset that the whales predictably gulped up in minutes. GW are clearly learning their customers' buying habits.
At 35£ you wouldn't have enough economical space to randomize the contents sufficiently.
If the retail value is meant to be 70£, then there are kits that they want to move that probably covered 70-80% of that sum and didn't leave enough space to fill the rest of the value. GW doesn't have a lot of low value kits for fine tuning.
Also, I don't think that there weren't a lot of these. Just the fact that they had a box specifically made for this and delivered from China, indicates that there were no less than 5000 of these boxes.
posermcbogus wrote: Yeah, it was 18,000 Yen here. Apparently the contents varied from region to region. I'm a little curious as to what it contained, though the way GW prices stuff out here suggests it may well have been "Exactly what was in the UK box, with an addtional 110 pound charge for not being British".
I can't imagine this being worth the money - as people have pointed out, it's pretty clearly a space-clearing excercise. Though probably not as dreadful as people are saying (all out-of-date-codexes (not to say that I don't think they wouldn't toss at lease one in there)), I certainly think there's a danger of it only being stuff that isn't selling because it's available cheaper in a Start Collecting box, and maybe a few dozen miscast Iron Hand Strakens.
I think it's like, an alright business practice (if they were maybe a bit more transparent about it in regards to numbers available, and maybe a few better clues about the contents), but like a few people here, I'd much rather they just did a sale, or like, IDK, made the boxes more affordable? Even at the UK price, 75 quid is pretty steep. If they put it at like 35, but halved the contents, it'd be much more accessable and community friendly. Instead we've got another slightly too expensive boxset that the whales predictably gulped up in minutes. GW are clearly learning their customers' buying habits.
At 35£ you wouldn't have enough economical space to randomize the contents sufficiently.
If the retail value is meant to be 70£, then there are kits that they want to move that probably covered 70-80% of that sum and didn't leave enough space to fill the rest of the value. GW doesn't have a lot of low value kits for fine tuning.
Also, I don't think that there weren't a lot of these. Just the fact that they had a box specifically made for this and delivered from China, indicates that there were no less than 5000 of these boxes.
That's assuming the boxes shown on WHC and the webstore are actual boxes - they look like CGI graphics to me. I wouldn't expect custom boxes for these.
Nostromodamus wrote:Mantic, Victoria, PP, etc have a random bitz sale and people love it.
GW bring it back (yes, they used to do them all the time in stores) and everybody loses their minds.
it is the price and the not knowing what it is
100€ Imperium stuff is a lot for something random that can be anything from Catachan to Old-Marines
as someone who is doing scratchbuilding/kitbasching a lot, a box of bits is always handy but 100€ without more details is too much
30€ and we would talk, 50€ and I want to know what kind of models there are (eg troops only, terrain, heavy weapons, tanks)
if they say 30€ random Xeno plastic Sprues, each package is different, I would buy 2.
50€ random terrain sprues, yes please
100€ Imperium, every box is the same, this is too expensive and suspecious to get me in
Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting.
But carry on with the outrage, folks.
they are selling random collections for 100€?
or random games?
Random games. Different publishers, types, genres. People buy 'em right up. Think this is them, if you're interested:
It's almost like some people don't loathe their hobby and find it fun to throw some bucks at something and see what they get.
thx and I am interested
and the main difference is here that it is just 50 instead of 100 and guaranted playable out of the box (so no problem to gift it to someone else if I already have it or don't like it)
if GW would have done a Box of "Imperium plastic sprues" or "terrain sprues" for 50 it would be something different
I have doubts that it will contain out of date codexes specifically.
at the moment there are no out of date Codizes for 40k and GW will happily sell you the 8th Edi book on Friday before release of the 9th edition version at full price
so yes, I would not be suprised if there are DA, SW and BA 8th Edition books inside
I'd have bought one or two if I was actively gaming/actively converting. My "bits box" has been whittled down to pretty much rejects I can't use anyway, that's why I still have those bits.
While there isn't any indication I'd need or be able to use anything that was in the box it is easier than building up bits again by buying whole kits.
But this price is a little steep, and for something that could be completely unusable? Nah.
The thought of how some people cannot distinguish different things is worrying.
These are not loot box’s that we typically see in games.
Those tend to be a complete gamble and offer a small chance of a high return while offering a large chance of a bad return.
So, if this were your typical loot box system you’d be looking at something like this:
£75 price tag.
70% chance to get something of £50 value.
20% chance to get something of £75 value.
10% chance to get something of £150 value.
That is where the gambling aspect comes into it and why certain countries want them banned.
However, when a product states it will be £150 of miniatures (RRP) for £75 then that really isn’t the same thing.
What you get in there is a gamble, but the fixed cost of it prevents it from being a money pit.
People are able to buy these knowing they can use what they can from it and sell the rest while still gaining from it.
If people think that these 2 systems are the same then you may need a break from the internet.
yukishiro1 wrote: I just thought of something: did they specifically exempt this from their normal return policy? I wonder if you can see what you got, decide it was crap, and demand a refund. Nothing on the web listing states it isn't eligible for the return policy, nor did they amend the return policy itself that I can see to exclude them.
Also, for people hoping to resell them, there's no way they will come in original packaging, because that would allow people to return them as the individual kits for effectively double credit - buy kits for 75, return them for 150 in store credit as individual kits, since you don't need proof of purchase to return for credit.
There was a pop-up in the web store when you added it to your basket saying it was exempt. So yeah - it's ether a box of sprues or they've blacked-out the barcodes on the boxes.
yukishiro1 wrote: I just thought of something: did they specifically exempt this from their normal return policy?
There was a pop-up in the web store when you added it to your basket saying it was exempt. So yeah - it's ether a box of sprues or they've blacked-out the barcodes on the boxes.
Yeah. Let's see them get that past the ACCC.
That's the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. They got Steam to bend over when it came to returns and refunds.
There is a lot of criticism of GW and implied criticism of people who bought one in this thread.
I bought one, as £75 is not a huge hit for me right now. If it is Imperial, I will know a least three or four people in my gaming group who will buy it at discount, even if it will not be useful for me. I play old-marines, can use IG in my GSC list, can convert SoB stuff for other armies or Necromunda, always love terrain stuff...
I mean, there is no way I am losing £75 on this. Even if I sell some bits and keep some bits, I'll get at least £50-60 value out of it, and I am confident I'll do better than that.
If I wanted specific models to make a competitive army, this clearly would not be the way to go, but I am not that sort of gamer.
Yeah but wouldn't you rather pick a new expensive chasis or a kit or two that is going to have at least one major expensive part you want that you don't already have?
I'm sure we all bought a whole kit for a set of wings or a torso at some point in our hobby life lol. But at least you know what you are getting.
For all you know it might be assult marines and tac marines and rhinos and old guard kits etc. that any imperium player collecting for a while will have an abundance of.
I mean, not really. I explained in my previous post how I get my inspiration. If this gives me a cheap source of random bits and it's relevant to my own collection, i would have probably gone for it.
Jackal90 wrote: The thought of how some people cannot distinguish different things is worrying.
These are not loot box’s that we typically see in games.
Those tend to be a complete gamble and offer a small chance of a high return while offering a large chance of a bad return.
So, if this were your typical loot box system you’d be looking at something like this:
£75 price tag.
70% chance to get something of £50 value.
20% chance to get something of £75 value.
10% chance to get something of £150 value.
That is where the gambling aspect comes into it and why certain countries want them banned.
However, when a product states it will be £150 of miniatures (RRP) for £75 then that really isn’t the same thing.
What you get in there is a gamble, but the fixed cost of it prevents it from being a money pit.
People are able to buy these knowing they can use what they can from it and sell the rest while still gaining from it.
If people think that these 2 systems are the same then you may need a break from the internet.
You don’t get it though.
How would people complain if they used your logic
I think many people saying value is terrible are just mad they missed out.
The value is there, the usefulness is sure debatable, but to be honest it was a great deal.
If you are on a budget and need to be careful about what you pick, this isn’t for you. Yet for all the people who got one, clearly it is for the,, as they can afford it, and are happy getting a random amount of options.
I think the disagreement is sort of rooted in missing out - but also... missing missing out.
So for example, if GW has a load of old stock they want *gone* - why not have a flash sale on it? Then people could buy... whatever old models are going. Sure they would likely disappear in seconds much like this - but then the whinge would be on that.
It just seems a bit weird this "haha, get £150 of random stuff for £75". Its not bad exactly - but it doesn't feel good. But hey - I didn't try and buy any of it, and wouldn't going forward.
I don't think its like loot boxes, because you are not obviously chasing some new skin or whatever and so throwing more and money in to chase it down. If GW released some sort of exclusive mini, and stuck it in 10-20% or something of these boxes, then you would have loot boxes, because people who wanted it would feel they had to buy 5-10-20 or however many until they got it.
(In reality though I think you'd just wait and grab it on ebay, which sort of breaks the model a bit.)
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Too early to say at the moment, either way,
Right now, we know they’re super limited, and offer a 50% discount. The proof of the pudding will be in the unboxing.
The Imperium one seems the highest risk of disappointment. It’s a very broad definition. If it’s a hodgepodge of Imperial units, probably of limited appeal.
Underworlds? Well, the game is a going concern, and in terms of how it scales price wise, £130 worth of stuff seems like a decent investment for those, like me, that’ve been circling it but never taken the plunge. I’m hoping I may get a second set of the Nightvault in-store purchase dice. They’re really pretty, and I’ve a Looter who asked for a set when they first came out.
Once people have them in hand, and can explore the contents, we’ll be far better informed.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
While I didn’t pick any up (sadly missed them) I’m hoping they have some new stuff thrown in.
While we all expect stock clearance, I would honestly love to see some new kits in them just to see people rage even worse at this stage.
I’ll try again if they add more drops, but I’ll happily avoid an AoS one.
I’d be doing it for the chance to add to existing armies while selling the rest, so unless it was themed away from NH, I won’t go near it.
The value of NH stuff got nuked by the partworks for it, and I already have more NH stuff than I’ll ever use.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I bet the Underworlds one is gonna be counters, dice, card sleeves, and such trash, with one actual warband in it. The worst-selling one, perhaps.
I doubt it - the dice and sleeves tend to sell out quicker than anything else.
All of the second season (Nightvault) rotates out at the end of the year when season 4 launches. They will still sell the minis, and can always repackage, but there's probably a desire to shift these.
My guess at contents would be:
Nightvault Core Set - £35
Nightvault Arcane Hazards terrain - £22.50
Beastgrave Champions of Dreadfane (not distributed in the US which explains why it's not available there) - £37.50
Beastgrave Gift Pack - £22.50
Then maybe a couple of warbands from the Nightvault cycle and a deckbox or playmat.
Kind of annoyed I missed this. I do actually collect majority of Imperium armies (except generic space marines) and love kitbashing and am a filthy casual so I would have really liked the Imperium box but oh well.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.
Except this is a billion miles from the video game situation. The only similarities are the words "loot" and "box".
It's not even a "whale" argument because there's no collectable element to this - you can go out and retail buy all the parts that are going into these loot boxes. You can do it right now, this very moment. If its excess stock then chances are its some of the only stuff you can specifically get direct from GW at this time.
Furthermore lootboxes in computergames work because the box costs the company nothing to produce. They can sell you a billion boxes and it costs them nothing. GW has to produce the stock to go into the box and pay someone to put it into the box. Slashing prices by 50% from their own retail value (which far as we can tel might even take them below 3rd party profits for GW) wouldn't be a sustainable business practice for GW. Furthermore whilst there IS a market for random boxes its not the same as GW's core market. Heck we even know the rough retail value of the box - its double the price of the loot box. There's no golden shiny card worth triple the value; there's no chance of getting a bunch of "repeats" that are worth less than the value of the box. The collecting aspect is minimal as GW sells everything in individual boxes anyway.
If this were digital loot boxes for a digital game I'd be agreeing with you; but this is a physical box in a totally different market segment.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.
I’d also hate GW if they created loot box’s.
this however is nothing like them.
Also, the term whale comes from heavy spending to give a big advantage over other players, so that’s also not even close.
The reason loot box’s were a bad thing was due to terrible rates for anything worthwhile and a heavy price tag, this resulted in people losing out on them at a high rate.
This is simply a discount box, not even close to a loot box.
But from your post, you really can’t see a difference here and blame customers essentially.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
The boxes just aren't for every customer. But the world we live in has some people who don't get that concept very well and tend to rage when something isn't for them. And that's not limited to GW customers or even gamers.
i thing it will not be boxes because if they still sealed most of the gw shops will take them back if you dont want them
and even give your back your money. so i think it will be frames with models on it. hope the assembleguids are in it to
skeleton wrote: i thing it will not be boxes because if they still sealed most of the gw shops will take them back if you dont want them
and even give your back your money. so i think it will be frames with models on it. hope the assembleguids are in it to
For the 40K ones I think that's true, but it's hard to determine pricing for Underworlds stuff if they don't include the cards that you need to play the game.
I think its a reference to video games when a small % of well off players will just but any old dlc regardless of quality for either in game advantage or cos its pretty, which encourages publishers to slice games into ever thinner slices as the base game
Its unlikely GW will repeat that mistake again as the few years of shaky money reports circa 2010ish showed its not a good idea to rely on fewer high spenders, hence the shift to variable buy in over 2000 points of 40k or gtfo
I would wish a similar fate on video games but as theyve shown record profits means sizeable lay off so low profits would trigger fire-a-geddon ( from the bottom ofc )
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah. Let's see them get that past the ACCC.
So long as they've not just made it a blanket 'No refunds' and only specified that you can't return it if you change your mind, it will be fine.
I'm not sure about that. A pop-up when you actually click buy, without being reflected on the product page or in the return policy itself, seems unlikely to be sufficient. I don't think a pop-up can override the legal document that is the return policy itself.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.
It's a grab bag of physical product, not really different than miscast bags that other companies offer all the time. It is not remotely a gaming loot box of pixels for crying out loud. Equating the two requires some industrial grade lubricant to get the slope that slippery. "Whales"... lol.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah. Let's see them get that past the ACCC.
So long as they've not just made it a blanket 'No refunds' and only specified that you can't return it if you change your mind, it will be fine.
I'm not sure about that. A pop-up when you actually click buy, without being reflected on the product page or in the return policy itself, seems unlikely to be sufficient. I don't think a pop-up can override the legal document that is the return policy itself.
It's absolutely sufficient. What HBMC was (presumably) referring to was Australian retail laws prohibiting stores from displaying messages with a blanket 'No refunds' message, as customers are legally entitled to a refund in certain situations. Stores are not legally required to give you a refund just because you decided you don't want the thing you purchased, and if they allow it under their normal returns policy they are perfectly within their rights to specify that certain items are exempt from it.
We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.
This is not even remotely the same thing as video game loot boxes. Nor is it a new thing... Miniature companies have been doing mystery bundles since well before video gaming moved onto the internet.
Lootboxes are intended to push the 'pay to win' setup. This is not that. It's just a box of random product at less than retail price.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
For me it was such an indifferent release that when I read it I just shrugged off. Not my cup of tea but I know some people love these sort of things.
As I don't see how it's going to harm me hard to get offended by this. Let those who enjoy these get them. Those who don't can just skip them. I would understand rage better if these were only source of some specific models. Now that would be annoying. This? Less so.
For me it's just such a no-news release that the amount of pages it has got was surprising
Speaking personally, the negative reaction is because it feels like a loot box, and I'm so fed up of the terrible things loot boxes have done to the video game industry, and I don't want to see GW get any encouragement to go more in that direction. I'll freely admit it's an emotional reaction that isn't warranted based simply on what GW has done itself. It's the context (which GW itself is well aware of).
It's absolutely sufficient. What HBMC was (presumably) referring to was Australian retail laws prohibiting stores from displaying messages with a blanket 'No refunds' message, as customers are legally entitled to a refund in certain situations. Stores are not legally required to give you a refund just because you decided you don't want the thing you purchased, and if they allow it under their normal returns policy they are perfectly within their rights to specify that certain items are exempt from it.
I don't want to get into a legal argument here, but I'll just state once more for the record that I don't think you're right that a pop-up on purchase that says "no refunds" is sufficient to take something outside the official legal document that is the refunds policy. They would also need to amend that document itself to specify it doesn't apply to the product in question as well.
This would be different if they didn't have a "refunds policy" legal document in the first place, but GW does, and that means that document is what governs refunds, not what a pop-up on the webstore might say.
You're arguing with an Australian about an Australian law. I don't think insaniak is a lawyer, but I feel safe in assuming he knows more about the consumer protection laws in his own country than you do.
yukishiro1 wrote: I don't want to get into a legal argument here, ...
Then, I don't know, ... don't?
It's extremely common for stores with an open refund policy to exempt specific sales from it. So long as they tell you at the time of purchase, this isn't a problem.
Speaking personally, the negative reaction is because it feels like a loot box, and I'm so fed up of the terrible things loot boxes have done to the video game industry, and I don't want to see GW get any encouragement to go more in that direction
So, from curiosity - did you have the same reaction when PP did it? Or when Mantic has done it every Christmas for the last few years?
If the problem is that you're seeing it as a videogame-style loot box, that's a problem with your perception, not with the concept. It's not a loot box. It's a bunch of product sold for less than retail.
insaniak wrote: So long as they tell you at the time of purchase, this isn't a problem.
No, not under EU law
Online purchase of any kind has always a 14 days refund, without the need for a reason as long as the costumer did not use the item
so open the box, not liking what is inside and you can send it back without giving GW a reason and they must take it back as long as you are an EU costumer
EnTyme wrote: You're arguing with an Australian about an Australian law. I don't think insaniak is a lawyer, but I feel safe in assuming he knows more about the consumer protection laws in his own country than you do.
Were these even for sale in Australia? Someone else brought up Australian laws. I wasn't responding directly to that, I was responding to the general contention that it's ok to use a pop-up at the time of purchase to exempt something from your legal document that is your refund policy, even though that legal document itself doesn't say anything about it. I am not a consumer protection lawyer, but I do know enough about basic contract law to question whether that's true.
You can make whatever assumptions you want about the relative knowledge of each of us. You know what they say about assumptions.
I am not going to argue about it further; GW doesn't need my legal advice. I just wanted to clearly register my disagreement with the idea that a pop-up is enough, without actually amending the refund policy. The refund policy is what governs refunds, not what a click-through pop-up might say.
Yup, that's in UK law too, online orders (with very few exceptions) all have a 14 day return period where you can get your money (including outward postage) back
they can make you pay the return postage costs but only if they clearly state you need to do so, and, don't have any other dubious legal claims in there, which a 'no refunds' statement would do
insaniak wrote: The post of mine that you initially responded to was specifically talking about Australia.
Right, and I was making a more general point about the sufficiency of a pop-up if it has information that contradicts what's in the official return policy document, not about any particular Australian law. I apologize if that wasn't clear.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
I don’t know about others, but I tend to get unreasonably irritated whenever I feel a company for whom I have been a “loyal customer” is trying to manipulate me using predatory marketing/consumer psychology techniques. Even if I don’t “fall for it”, I resent the attempt. And sometimes I am not immune to manipulation techniques, like FOMO, and feel really uncomfortable with the knowledge that a company has affected me.
I hate it when paying attention to a company I might want to patronize suddenly makes me feel vulnerable or manipulated. I resent that my only options are to consent to being messed with or to completely cut the offender out of my hobby life.
Yeesh. Go ask grandpa what a "grab bag" was. They've been doing this long before you were invented.
I figure that, while GW's business model is to create inelastic demand by getting you to buy a specific model, there are still miniature enthusiasts who just want some GW-quality models to paint. They may not even play any GW games.
GW has so many individual products, I can see how inventory and warehousing of non-selling (and discontinued) product can become costly.
Mmm, I miss the days when GW did giffles. Little raffles they did every now and then you entered by buying normally. Win yourself bags of bits. Still occasionally find useful stuff when I rummage through the ones I got.
I bought one, mostly out of curiosity. Best case scenario, I get some cool stuff, worst case, twenty Sergeant Harkers. I’m expecting something in the middle. What I don’t want will be on eBay next week.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
I don’t know about others, but I tend to get unreasonably irritated whenever I feel a company for whom I have been a “loyal customer” is trying to manipulate me using predatory marketing/consumer psychology techniques. Even if I don’t “fall for it”, I resent the attempt. And sometimes I am not immune to manipulation techniques, like FOMO, and feel really uncomfortable with the knowledge that a company has affected me.
I hate it when paying attention to a company I might want to patronize suddenly makes me feel vulnerable or manipulated. I resent that my only options are to consent to being messed with or to completely cut the offender out of my hobby life.
Surely people knew what they were buying into, and the inherent risks associated with this , so I don't see an issue. The value is the same per box , I didn't buy one but as a painter not a player if I did , I would have probably happily painted the contents.
Certainly am keen to see the contents of one though......
In this sense, any form of deal or offer that reduces the price is, in your eyes, a predatory move.
Better avoid start collecting sets as those offer a discount, so therefore, are also predatory marketing.
People these days have gotten far too damn soft.
Someone offers a discount in which you can take it or leave it.
Instead they cry and moan about it endlessly.
Grow up.
No one has a gun to your head trying to force you into a sale.
I swear the mentality on here some weeks even manages to surpass Facebook for bitchy whining kids.
Yeah keen to see what’s in it.
Have no issue with them, and obviously people are happy or it wouldn’t have sold out.
(Too many comments from the USA saying good thing it wasn’t available there they wouldn’t have sold a single one, just because that person doesn’t think it’s good??)
In this sense, any form of deal or offer that reduces the price is, in your eyes, a predatory move.
Better avoid start collecting sets as those offer a discount, so therefore, are also predatory marketing.
People these days have gotten far too damn soft.
Someone offers a discount in which you can take it or leave it.
Instead they cry and moan about it endlessly.
Grow up.
No one has a gun to your head trying to force you into a sale.
I swear the mentality on here some weeks even manages to surpass Facebook for bitchy whining kids.
tneva82 wrote: 7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.
Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).
The boxes just aren't for every customer. But the world we live in has some people who don't get that concept very well and tend to rage when something isn't for them. And that's not limited to GW customers or even gamers.
Tyel wrote: So for example, if GW has a load of old stock they want *gone* - why not have a flash sale on it?
Logistics. Picking, for one thing. Easier to just shove stuff in blind boxes and have one product to sell, then discount a ton of products individually in the database and make individual sales.
Also even with a flash sale some things just might not shift. A Blind box that sells out they can put some good stuff in there and also a few things that might be good but just don't catch the customers eye as much.
Plus these aren't necessarily things that they are putting out of production, just things that they have too many of in the warehouse and want gone to clear space. If they went and put Gaurdsmen on a 50% sale; that 50% price becomes the "price" people expect and want to buy at. Suddenly people stop/slow buying them after the sale as they wait for the next sale. It might have knock on effects - everyone waits for "their troop turn at a sale".
Sale culture is something companies have to be careful about; on the one hand it can shift large amounts of stock; on the other if they get it wrong they can have a customerbase that is waiting for sales and expecting lower prices whilst the parent company doesn't actually want those sales.
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value'
For Australian Customers, that Underworlds set comes up at a total of $375, but the value of our kit should be $450.
As stated, they vary by region, but it will be interesting to see how varied the regions are, and what makes up the difference.
Also GW totaly on form here 12 run-of-the-mill infantry sized minis for £70 - hyped it up as models and kits, emphasis on painting and collecting - 4/7 aren't even plastic model kits. Nice geedubs.
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value
Champions is 2 warbands from the Barnes&Noble (I think) exclusive Underworlds board game spinoff, but with no new generic cards in the box, so slighlty less value than 2 normal warbands. Surprised they had overstock tho.
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value'
Thats three war bands? 2 in Champions of Dreadfane.. a box of terrain, carry case..decent enough if you are keen on Underworlds-all those are pretty handy but yeah if you wanted specific war bands you'd be better off buying them..
Thats three war bands? 2 in Champions of Dreadfane.. a box of terrain, carry case..decent enough if you are keen on Underworlds-all those are pretty handy but yeah if you wanted specific war bands you'd be better off buying them..
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value'
Thanks for sharing the info!
Was briefly tempted by the Underworlds box as they're almost all nice models and I don't own too many yet, but then saw the prices of some the accessories and feared much of the "value" might be made up of those. Optimistically, there could have been another warband in there, but not surprised that there wasn't. Glad to have avoided it, the Godsworn Hunt figures and Banshees can be grabbed for less than half the price of the blind buy bundle. Not the best bundle for players new to Underworld either, if the Champions of Dreadfane lack generic cards, and with Godsworn Hunt being older and their cards being phased out before too long I guess.
ced1106 wrote: Yeesh. Go ask grandpa what a "grab bag" was. They've been doing this long before you were invented.
I figure that, while GW's business model is to create inelastic demand by getting you to buy a specific model, there are still miniature enthusiasts who just want some GW-quality models to paint. They may not even play any GW games.
GW has so many individual products, I can see how inventory and warehousing of non-selling (and discontinued) product can become costly.
Last I checked grab bags and loot boxes didn’t cost £75 a throw. Hardly a random impulse buy for a lot of people...
But we all know GW’s whales have poor impulse control. Gotta buy those latest kits! I can exist on super noodles for the next month lol!
ced1106 wrote: Yeesh. Go ask grandpa what a "grab bag" was. They've been doing this long before you were invented.
I figure that, while GW's business model is to create inelastic demand by getting you to buy a specific model, there are still miniature enthusiasts who just want some GW-quality models to paint. They may not even play any GW games.
GW has so many individual products, I can see how inventory and warehousing of non-selling (and discontinued) product can become costly.
Last I checked grab bags and loot boxes didn’t cost £75 a throw. Hardly a random impulse buy for a lot of people...
There definitely are ones that cost that or more. Mostly at conventions(mostly containing large Cosplay style items), but some of the Bluefin/Bandai ones cost upwards of $200USD and contain 5-6 figures that retail for $60-120 USD a piece.
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value'
Champions of Dreadfane is two warbands(Ironsoul's Condemnors: the Sequitor warband: and Lady Harrow's Mournflight: Myrmourn Banshees) in one box.
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Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Thanks for sharing the info!
Was briefly tempted by the Underworlds box as they're almost all nice models and I don't own too many yet, but then saw the prices of some the accessories and feared much of the "value" might be made up of those. Optimistically, there could have been another warband in there, but not surprised that there wasn't. Glad to have avoided it, the Godsworn Hunt figures and Banshees can be grabbed for less than half the price of the blind buy bundle. Not the best bundle for players new to Underworld either, if the Champions of Dreadfane lack generic cards, and with Godsworn Hunt being older and their cards being phased out before too long I guess.
Dreadfane lacks generic cards as it was a way to make a general release of the two warbands from 'Dreadfane', which is a regional exclusive at Barnes and Noble with a simplified playstyle.
I was hoping Champions of Dreadfane wasn't going to be in it, given I've already got those models from Conquest and it's definitely the hardest to shift on Ebay, but the Godsworn Hunt is cool and I've not got anything from Underworlds so all the accessories are actually good?
posermcbogus wrote: The imperium one is just the plastic enginseer and then 15 painting handles.
Don't forget the plastic Commissar too.
I forgot about that fething awful commissar.
The three metal commissars preceding it were awesome models, it’s genuinely depressing when a timeless metal model gets replaced by a gakky plastic version. See also: Daemon Prince
Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting. But carry on with the outrage, folks.
they are selling random collections for 100€? or random games?
Random games. Different publishers, types, genres. People buy 'em right up. Think this is them, if you're interested:
diepotato47 wrote: If there’s a carry case in the Imperium Drop I’ll be stoked.
Extremely unlikely. I dont believe there is a 40k branded carry case, just the generic GW ones and theyre a standard regular seller so I wouldn't expect to see them in a drop box.
diepotato47 wrote: If there’s a carry case in the Imperium Drop I’ll be stoked.
Extremely unlikely. I dont believe there is a 40k branded carry case, just the generic GW ones and theyre a standard regular seller so I wouldn't expect to see them in a drop box.
There actually is one, but it's on the small side and brand new.
diepotato47 wrote: If there’s a carry case in the Imperium Drop I’ll be stoked.
Extremely unlikely. I dont believe there is a 40k branded carry case, just the generic GW ones and theyre a standard regular seller so I wouldn't expect to see them in a drop box.
There actually is one, but it's on the small side and brand new.
That could be in it then, in fact id say pretty much guaranteed. I imagine it wouldnt sell much and would eat up some of the £150 value of the drop box. People seem to really disappointed by the Underworlds Drop box contents, I forsee similar with the Imperium one. It will be interesting to see what it contains and whether or not its contents will make people think twice about purchasing another blind box in the future
I’m in a good position tbh. So far, I’ve narrowed down the possible inclusions a bit, based on the webstore categories:
Great (stuff I’ll definitely keep, value to me is full rrp)
Anything Blood Angels
Anything Primaris (Including any ETB stuff)
Terrain
Gaming aids (Combat Gauge, dice, carry case)
Admech
Sisters
Good (stuff I’ll either keep or sell at 50% rrp)
Firstborn Marines
Non-Blood Angel Chapter Specific Marines
Guard
Talons
Inquisition (Plastics only)
Knights (not likely)
Bad (Stuff I can’t sell and don’t want, no value)
Codex and rulebooks
Finecast and metal (except Blood Angels)
I’m pretty sure with these criteria I’ve covered all bases, and should get my $225 worth. Can’t wait to see what I get.
I'm glad that the inclusion of Beastgrave counters implies that these things didn't sell well. They are enormously overpriced - much more so in GW's overseas markets - and I don't remember seeing anybody with a set. If they'd been half price I would certainly have bought them.
The rest of that box isn't bad at all. I don't think there's anything to be upset about with that haul of stuff. The biggest problem really is that there a couple of warbands that don't fit well in those carry cases.
I had another look at the WHC article about these Supply Drops.
They have said "mystery models" and that this will be good for your "bitz box"so it seems likely that at least some of the contents will be models, but I'd expect some gaming aids like dice etc to be included.
The biggest thing for me though is that there is no mention at all in either the WHC article or the listing on the GW store listing of 40k. Only "Imperium" and "Warhammer kits"
This has got me wondering if the boxes might be more likely to contain models from specialist games like Titanicus, Aeronautica Imperials, Necromunda etc with an Imperium theme rather than 40k stuff.
Each territory (likely as defined by GW's regional warehouses) will have the same content within that region; however each region might be different. Some regions - eg USA - didn't even get loot boxes.
This is purely a "clearly inventory space" exercise built around certain themed content.
diepotato47 wrote: If there’s a carry case in the Imperium Drop I’ll be stoked.
Extremely unlikely. I dont believe there is a 40k branded carry case, just the generic GW ones and theyre a standard regular seller so I wouldn't expect to see them in a drop box.
There was a black one with an Imperial Eagle on it that has just been replaced with one with the new 40k logo. I have one I use for Kill Team.
Having said that, I think they sold fairly well so I suspect they're not sitting on that stock, but it's possible.
Aash wrote: I had another look at the WHC article about these Supply Drops.
They have said "mystery models" and that this will be good for your "bitz box"so it seems likely that at least some of the contents will be models, but I'd expect some gaming aids like dice etc to be included.
The biggest thing for me though is that there is no mention at all in either the WHC article or the listing on the GW store listing of 40k. Only "Imperium" and "Warhammer kits"
This has got me wondering if the boxes might be more likely to contain models from specialist games like Titanicus, Aeronautica Imperials, Necromunda etc with an Imperium theme rather than 40k stuff.
Well spotted. I, along with most others I suspect, assumed that it would be all 40k stuff. Let’s hope that they haven’t sneakily used this as a way to get rid of all of their overstocked kits for other systems.
I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.
Because free to play exists in this game ........ oh, wait.
The terminology started off to describe heavy spenders that typically dominated servers.
£75 in this hobby is what, a start collecting box and the army book if you are lucky.
In a game where armies typically are upwards of £300, a £75 set isn’t remotely close to “whale” territory.
The closest I can think of was when blood crushers (metal originals) were an auto take in 40k and top armies would run 18 of them at around £16 each.
However, if £75 is whale levels in this game then every single player here is now a whale.
Either that or people have got into a hobby and are severely out of their depth.
The whole divide in spending on games comes from heavy spenders and free to play players.
This isn’t exactly possible in this hobby unless someone gives you everything for free.
Using a reference to whales is just plain stupidity, more so when you define that level at such a low cost.
I’ve been thinking, regardless of what GW say about not allowing returns on this item, they are legally obliged to due to distance selling laws.
You can return anything purchased online within a 14 day period, you don’t even need a reason. I’m pretty sure that this applies to everywhere in the E.U?
Godsworn Hunt £20
Champions of Dreadfane £37.50
Primal Lair £22.50
Playmat £12
Deckbox £5
Counters £12
Carry Case £32.50
£141.50
So only two warbands? I imagine if they had bundled that up and sold it for £65 it probably would have gone, but I also imagine a lot of disappointed people. buying 3 warbands they actually wanted would probably give most people more 'value'
That seems overall a pretty good deal.
The problem is my luck and blind packaging are oil and water.
Marxist artist wrote: At least it will give an indication of what sells well and what doesn't!
It really doesn't. Those cases were out of stock for a bit here in the US, same with the deckbox. Champions of Dreadfane didn't do well here...but that's because the "gotta have it now" crowd tended to go after the version from Barnes and Noble instead.
Counters also were a big thing, despite the mocking they seem to get here. The terrain bits are the only ones that I never actually saw being a regular player of Underworlds.
Aye this isn't necessarily a box of "stuff that didn't sell" and more a case of "stuff we have way more of than we need". So it can be stuff that sells at a good rate, just that GW has wound up with too much of it in storage.
Underworlds is coming with a new 'season' within a few months, so they most likely want to spend their storage space on that. Beastgrave is still useful for years to come though.
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.
Because free to play exists in this game ........ oh, wait.
The terminology started off to describe heavy spenders that typically dominated servers.
£75 in this hobby is what, a start collecting box and the army book if you are lucky.
In a game where armies typically are upwards of £300, a £75 set isn’t remotely close to “whale” territory.
The closest I can think of was when blood crushers (metal originals) were an auto take in 40k and top armies would run 18 of them at around £16 each.
However, if £75 is whale levels in this game then every single player here is now a whale.
Either that or people have got into a hobby and are severely out of their depth.
The whole divide in spending on games comes from heavy spenders and free to play players.
This isn’t exactly possible in this hobby unless someone gives you everything for free.
Using a reference to whales is just plain stupidity, more so when you define that level at such a low cost.
I'm content to chalk this thread up to 'COVID craziness', because I'm still struggling to find complaints that make sense.
Yeah, at PAX Unplugged they sell board game mystery boxes and they sell like crazy. That's even more of a crapshoot than anything GW is doing here, since you have no idea what kind of board game you're getting.
But carry on with the outrage, folks.
they are selling random collections for 100€?
or random games?
Random games. Different publishers, types, genres. People buy 'em right up. Think this is them, if you're interested:
It's almost like some people don't loathe their hobby and find it fun to throw some bucks at something and see what they get.
It is worth pointing out that for each of those boxes you buy, 4 games get given to a charity which donates games to children in poverty.
You get 4 games which you may enjoy and 4 kids get something to play with come Christmas.
So it is a charity thing.
Yeah, but it is run by the guys from Game Salute.. so for at least the first couple years there were serious donkey games in them..
I was walking around Origins the first year they were doing it, and folks were putting these gakky games on top of trash cans with signs saying Take Me Please..
That underworlds box...lol. But "buy four even though you only need one and get one free! you SAVED!" works on people, so there are probably people out there who are like "wow! I got 75 quid 'worth' of 'free' stuff I never would have bought otherwise, what a deal!"
But we all know GW’s whales have poor impulse control. Gotta buy those latest kits! I can exist on super noodles for the next month lol!
"Haha don't tell the wife haha XD"
I always wonder if they're joking or just horrible husbands.
In my case, I’m joking. I set harder limits on my spending than my wife would care about. But I have more anxieties about money and spending than she does.
In this sense, any form of deal or offer that reduces the price is, in your eyes, a predatory move.
Better avoid start collecting sets as those offer a discount, so therefore, are also predatory marketing.
People these days have gotten far too damn soft.
Someone offers a discount in which you can take it or leave it.
Instead they cry and moan about it endlessly.
Grow up.
No one has a gun to your head trying to force you into a sale.
I swear the mentality on here some weeks even manages to surpass Facebook for bitchy whining kids.
Someone asked why some posters were upset at this. I gave an answer. It’s that simple.
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP
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Whale is a wholly appropriate term for someone who throws 75£ at a company willy nilly with no thought or consideration of what they are getting for the money, essentially not buying anything but giving GW money out of habit or addiction.
Jackal90 wrote: I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP
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Whale is a wholly appropriate term for someone who throws 75£ at a company willy nilly with no thought or consideration of what they are getting for the money, essentially not buying anything but giving GW money out of habit or addiction.
Yeah, I'll drop $100 on something I want, but not on something GW wants to get rid of but won't even tell me what it is.
They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
It's gonna be the overstocks from Dark imperium ,primaris and death guard ETB
clue is in the name
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Aenar wrote: Here's the pic in question I think, I've seen it in my flgs whatsapp group:
Nah all but the carry case are still Available online, more likely to be shadespire models as they are no longer available and the time from order to arriving seems very quick, that looks like someone's beast grave order .
yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
You seem to be working overtime to maintain your outrage over nothing.
yukishiro1 wrote: They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."
First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.
Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?
Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?
Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.
I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.
