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The thought of how some people cannot distinguish different things is worrying.

These are not loot box’s that we typically see in games.
Those tend to be a complete gamble and offer a small chance of a high return while offering a large chance of a bad return.

So, if this were your typical loot box system you’d be looking at something like this:

£75 price tag.
70% chance to get something of £50 value.
20% chance to get something of £75 value.
10% chance to get something of £150 value.

That is where the gambling aspect comes into it and why certain countries want them banned.


However, when a product states it will be £150 of miniatures (RRP) for £75 then that really isn’t the same thing.
What you get in there is a gamble, but the fixed cost of it prevents it from being a money pit.
People are able to buy these knowing they can use what they can from it and sell the rest while still gaining from it.

If people think that these 2 systems are the same then you may need a break from the internet.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'd 100% be down with a blind buy of terrain!

Would definitely be one of the better box themes they could go for if they ever do it.

I'm sure a certain other poster on this site whose name starts with H and ends with C would at least be interested

yukishiro1 wrote:
I just thought of something: did they specifically exempt this from their normal return policy? I wonder if you can see what you got, decide it was crap, and demand a refund. Nothing on the web listing states it isn't eligible for the return policy, nor did they amend the return policy itself that I can see to exclude them.

Also, for people hoping to resell them, there's no way they will come in original packaging, because that would allow people to return them as the individual kits for effectively double credit - buy kits for 75, return them for 150 in store credit as individual kits, since you don't need proof of purchase to return for credit.

There was a pop-up in the web store when you added it to your basket saying it was exempt. So yeah - it's ether a box of sprues or they've blacked-out the barcodes on the boxes.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'd 100% be down with a blind buy of terrain!

That I'd do in a heartbeat.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm sure a certain other poster on this site whose name starts with H and ends with C would at least be interested

I saw this after I posted the above message.

beast_gts wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
I just thought of something: did they specifically exempt this from their normal return policy?

There was a pop-up in the web store when you added it to your basket saying it was exempt. So yeah - it's ether a box of sprues or they've blacked-out the barcodes on the boxes.

Yeah. Let's see them get that past the ACCC.

That's the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. They got Steam to bend over when it came to returns and refunds.

There is a lot of criticism of GW and implied criticism of people who bought one in this thread.

I bought one, as £75 is not a huge hit for me right now. If it is Imperial, I will know a least three or four people in my gaming group who will buy it at discount, even if it will not be useful for me. I play old-marines, can use IG in my GSC list, can convert SoB stuff for other armies or Necromunda, always love terrain stuff...

I mean, there is no way I am losing £75 on this. Even if I sell some bits and keep some bits, I'll get at least £50-60 value out of it, and I am confident I'll do better than that.

If I wanted specific models to make a competitive army, this clearly would not be the way to go, but I am not that sort of gamer.

 Argive wrote:


Yeah but wouldn't you rather pick a new expensive chasis or a kit or two that is going to have at least one major expensive part you want that you don't already have?
I'm sure we all bought a whole kit for a set of wings or a torso at some point in our hobby life lol. But at least you know what you are getting.

For all you know it might be assult marines and tac marines and rhinos and old guard kits etc. that any imperium player collecting for a while will have an abundance of.

I mean, not really. I explained in my previous post how I get my inspiration. If this gives me a cheap source of random bits and it's relevant to my own collection, i would have probably gone for it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah. Let's see them get that past the ACCC.

So long as they've not just made it a blanket 'No refunds' and only specified that you can't return it if you change your mind, it will be fine.

Jackal90 wrote:
The thought of how some people cannot distinguish different things is worrying.

These are not loot box’s that we typically see in games.
Those tend to be a complete gamble and offer a small chance of a high return while offering a large chance of a bad return.

So, if this were your typical loot box system you’d be looking at something like this:

£75 price tag.
70% chance to get something of £50 value.
20% chance to get something of £75 value.
10% chance to get something of £150 value.

That is where the gambling aspect comes into it and why certain countries want them banned.


However, when a product states it will be £150 of miniatures (RRP) for £75 then that really isn’t the same thing.
What you get in there is a gamble, but the fixed cost of it prevents it from being a money pit.
People are able to buy these knowing they can use what they can from it and sell the rest while still gaining from it.

If people think that these 2 systems are the same then you may need a break from the internet.

You don’t get it though.

How would people complain if they used your logic


I think many people saying value is terrible are just mad they missed out.

The value is there, the usefulness is sure debatable, but to be honest it was a great deal.
If you are on a budget and need to be careful about what you pick, this isn’t for you. Yet for all the people who got one, clearly it is for the,, as they can afford it, and are happy getting a random amount of options.

I think the disagreement is sort of rooted in missing out - but also... missing missing out.

So for example, if GW has a load of old stock they want *gone* - why not have a flash sale on it? Then people could buy... whatever old models are going. Sure they would likely disappear in seconds much like this - but then the whinge would be on that.

It just seems a bit weird this "haha, get £150 of random stuff for £75". Its not bad exactly - but it doesn't feel good. But hey - I didn't try and buy any of it, and wouldn't going forward.

I don't think its like loot boxes, because you are not obviously chasing some new skin or whatever and so throwing more and money in to chase it down. If GW released some sort of exclusive mini, and stuck it in 10-20% or something of these boxes, then you would have loot boxes, because people who wanted it would feel they had to buy 5-10-20 or however many until they got it.

(In reality though I think you'd just wait and grab it on ebay, which sort of breaks the model a bit.)

7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

It proved wildly popular when Privateer Press did it.

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Too early to say at the moment, either way,

Right now, we know they’re super limited, and offer a 50% discount. The proof of the pudding will be in the unboxing.

The Imperium one seems the highest risk of disappointment. It’s a very broad definition. If it’s a hodgepodge of Imperial units, probably of limited appeal.

Underworlds? Well, the game is a going concern, and in terms of how it scales price wise, £130 worth of stuff seems like a decent investment for those, like me, that’ve been circling it but never taken the plunge. I’m hoping I may get a second set of the Nightvault in-store purchase dice. They’re really pretty, and I’ve a Looter who asked for a set when they first came out.

Once people have them in hand, and can explore the contents, we’ll be far better informed.

 Overread wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

While I didn’t pick any up (sadly missed them) I’m hoping they have some new stuff thrown in.
While we all expect stock clearance, I would honestly love to see some new kits in them just to see people rage even worse at this stage.

I’ll try again if they add more drops, but I’ll happily avoid an AoS one.
I’d be doing it for the chance to add to existing armies while selling the rest, so unless it was themed away from NH, I won’t go near it.
The value of NH stuff got nuked by the partworks for it, and I already have more NH stuff than I’ll ever use.

I'm curious to see what's in them - so can't wait for people to actually get theirs. I completely missed out on this by being a bit late. No big deal.

Only blind buys I do are Kickstarters, and I'm trying to get off the habit.

So nope.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I bet the Underworlds one is gonna be counters, dice, card sleeves, and such trash, with one actual warband in it. The worst-selling one, perhaps.

I doubt it - the dice and sleeves tend to sell out quicker than anything else.

All of the second season (Nightvault) rotates out at the end of the year when season 4 launches. They will still sell the minis, and can always repackage, but there's probably a desire to shift these.

My guess at contents would be:

Nightvault Core Set - £35
Nightvault Arcane Hazards terrain - £22.50
Beastgrave Champions of Dreadfane (not distributed in the US which explains why it's not available there) - £37.50
Beastgrave Gift Pack - £22.50

Then maybe a couple of warbands from the Nightvault cycle and a deckbox or playmat.

Kind of annoyed I missed this. I do actually collect majority of Imperium armies (except generic space marines) and love kitbashing and am a filthy casual so I would have really liked the Imperium box but oh well.

 Overread wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.

By whales I assume you mean “people of a differing opinion”, yeah?

Cronch wrote:

 Overread wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.

Except this is a billion miles from the video game situation. The only similarities are the words "loot" and "box".
It's not even a "whale" argument because there's no collectable element to this - you can go out and retail buy all the parts that are going into these loot boxes. You can do it right now, this very moment. If its excess stock then chances are its some of the only stuff you can specifically get direct from GW at this time.

Furthermore lootboxes in computergames work because the box costs the company nothing to produce. They can sell you a billion boxes and it costs them nothing. GW has to produce the stock to go into the box and pay someone to put it into the box. Slashing prices by 50% from their own retail value (which far as we can tel might even take them below 3rd party profits for GW) wouldn't be a sustainable business practice for GW. Furthermore whilst there IS a market for random boxes its not the same as GW's core market. Heck we even know the rough retail value of the box - its double the price of the loot box. There's no golden shiny card worth triple the value; there's no chance of getting a bunch of "repeats" that are worth less than the value of the box. The collecting aspect is minimal as GW sells everything in individual boxes anyway.


If this were digital loot boxes for a digital game I'd be agreeing with you; but this is a physical box in a totally different market segment.

Cronch wrote:

 Overread wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

We all have seen how normalizing mtx and blind boxes ruined video gaming, and even if it's not the exact same, the last thing I want is normalization of lootboxes in tabletop gaming even further. There will always be whales that will happily ruin it for everyone else.

I’d also hate GW if they created loot box’s.
this however is nothing like them.

Also, the term whale comes from heavy spending to give a big advantage over other players, so that’s also not even close.

The reason loot box’s were a bad thing was due to terrible rates for anything worthwhile and a heavy price tag, this resulted in people losing out on them at a high rate.

This is simply a discount box, not even close to a loot box.
But from your post, you really can’t see a difference here and blame customers essentially.

Jackal90 wrote:


Also, the term whale comes from heavy spending to give a big advantage over other players, so that’s also not even close.

There are plenty of non-competitive games with mtx models based around whales

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'd 100% be down with a blind buy of terrain!

Mantic does several Terrain Crates, but they're not blind.

https://www.manticgames.com/games/terrain-crate/

 Overread wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
7 page and mostly complaining how bad GW is doing this? Lol. And here I was thinking this release wouldn't generate that much discussion about it.

Honestly its somewhat surprising how negative some people are being about it. Then again I think some are simply looking for any angle to dislike on GW. I'd have though the real "hate" would have come after the boxes were delivered if they were proven to be rather poor in content (eg the Underworld turning out to be all dice sets and not a single model).

The boxes just aren't for every customer. But the world we live in has some people who don't get that concept very well and tend to rage when something isn't for them. And that's not limited to GW customers or even gamers.

i thing it will not be boxes because if they still sealed most of the gw shops will take them back if you dont want them
and even give your back your money. so i think it will be frames with models on it. hope the assembleguids are in it to

 skeleton wrote:
i thing it will not be boxes because if they still sealed most of the gw shops will take them back if you dont want them
and even give your back your money. so i think it will be frames with models on it. hope the assembleguids are in it to

For the 40K ones I think that's true, but it's hard to determine pricing for Underworlds stuff if they don't include the cards that you need to play the game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By whales I assume you mean “people of a differing opinion”, yeah?

I think its a reference to video games when a small % of well off players will just but any old dlc regardless of quality for either in game advantage or cos its pretty, which encourages publishers to slice games into ever thinner slices as the base game

Its unlikely GW will repeat that mistake again as the few years of shaky money reports circa 2010ish showed its not a good idea to rely on fewer high spenders, hence the shift to variable buy in over 2000 points of 40k or gtfo

I would wish a similar fate on video games but as theyve shown record profits means sizeable lay off so low profits would trigger fire-a-geddon ( from the bottom ofc )

What date do people receive these?

I will be waiting on here with my popcorn in hand.

They only went on sale yesterday so chances are people won't see anything for a week or so.