Wild wild guess:

Tomorrow's new products will be new miniatures.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
GW has the weirdest discount system. Every other comapany is able to state the regular price, cross it out and give you the percentage you are saving. That is the 101 of discounting. I'm not angry, I'm just amazed that they are repeatedly unaware of anything anyone else does on the planet.

But then, it doesn't matter for me anyway. Only 9 items, and only one is remotely interesting for me. But I already have enough terrain (and pile of shame). I hope anyone else finds something intersting there.

Pretty sure it's not unawareness of common practices. They just want you to trust them that the item they discounted is a good deal. Objective facts are only going to get in the way of that.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
GW has the weirdest discount system. Every other comapany is able to state the regular price, cross it out and give you the percentage you are saving. That is the 101 of discounting. I'm not angry, I'm just amazed that they are repeatedly unaware of anything anyone else does on the planet.

But then, it doesn't matter for me anyway. Only 9 items, and only one is remotely interesting for me. But I already have enough terrain (and pile of shame). I hope anyone else finds something intersting there.

It wouldn’t work right for GW since they create their own sliding scale exchange rate pricing. What would be 15% in one currency might well be 17.62% in another.

Fire sale on Dominion is hilarious, only a month ago they were pushing it with FOMO-inducing "low stock, buy now" banners and now it's £87, cheaper than bargain basement resellers.

The international store has the products on sale without discounts. I hope they update soon.

Time to scalp some Dominion boxes for the future, I guess...

It's sad about Dominion, I think it's a great set but clearly the market isn't quite there if they're flogging them on the cheap now.

Billicus wrote:
It's sad about Dominion, I think it's a great set but clearly the market isn't quite there if they're flogging them on the cheap now.

Soup is the hype killer.

But I thought that GW couldn't lower their prices because something something moulds are expensive, high street stores, capitalist system..?

Dominion is certainly annoying for anyone who played full price, particularly GW price buyers etc.

Danny76 wrote:
Dominion is certainly annoying for anyone who played full price, particularly GW price buyers etc.

It's roughly now the same price you can get it off ebay (so I'm hoping it'll drop down even lower there). I guess dominion didn't sell out as well as they had hoped

If that is true I'm hoping they'll take that as a sign to continue fleshing out AoS with different and interesting factions.

Including a new human one.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
But I thought that GW couldn't lower their prices because something something moulds are expensive, high street stores, capitalist system..?

It tarnishes the brand as well. They can't possibly ever reduce prices.

A little tidbit about Dominion. They were doing a promotion of dlc for a video game when you bought Dominion. They made 33,000 of them. Two hours ago it was still available, but now it has gone.
That's quite a lot of copies especially as it only covers copies sold online. Didn't they used to print just 10,000 copies of Space Hulk etc? I'm sure I saw that rumour several years ago.

Can someone please clarify for me:

The Primaris Lieutenant that's part of all this. Can this be purchased online, or only in-store?

Only online.
Week-long window, in theory.

This Primaris Lieutenant With Storm Shield will be joined by the Vampire Lord Anasta Malkorion, with both miniatures available for a strictly limited time starting on Warhammer Day itself, the 30th of October, until the 7th of November. Anasta Malkorion will be available in stores and online, but you’ll only be able to acquire our brave Lieutenant from Games-Workshop.com.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/11/celebrate-warhammer-day-this-october-with-two-sensational-new-miniatures/

That's where I was going wrong. It's not a Pre-Order. It's available right now.

[EDIT]: And look at that, he has a helmet:


[EDIT2]: And can't log into their website because of that daft 'Warhammer Online' nonsense. Well I really hope it is on sale for a week, given how long this is probably going to take to sort out.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Dominion down to £87.50 they're really struggling to shift it.

Thats a good price.... if you want the ugly orcs too.

I'm not a big follower of AoS.

What is the issue with Dominion?

Overpriced (probably)?

Poor miniatures?

New ruleset a bit pap?

alphaecho wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Dominion down to £87.50 they're really struggling to shift it.

Thats a good price.... if you want the ugly orcs too.

I'm not a big follower of AoS.

What is the issue with Dominion?

Overpriced (probably)?

Poor miniatures?

New ruleset a bit pap?

Overpriced and unasked for.
AoS had a lot releases in early 2021, 3 full armies, 7 books and Cursed City. All of these were very popular, especially the soul blight release. People don't have infinite money.
A lot of people were fairly happy with second edition, and thought it's life should have been extended especially as w missed a year due to COVID.
The box set was essentially divided into three sections; Stormcast, Kruleboyz and Hobgrotz. Very few people liked all three.
The changes to the rules didn't seem to address the biggest problem people were having at the time. The AoS version of overwatch was particularly unpopular. I think that one rule drove quite a lot of people away.

I honestly think that if they had delayed the game, spaced out the broken realms books a bit and then released the game in November, it would have sold a lot better.

This forum is a bit biased against AoS but most people who play the game regularly will tell you the game is the best it has ever been with balance that is only slightly broken. There are 9 armies that are capable of winning tournaments regularly. The game certainly isn't dead by any means.

For.those in the know (ebay resellers) is it the storm cast or orcs (or both) that are not selling.well?

Weirdly both seemed to sell about the same.
£40-50 or so I think basically.

I guess people should sit on them. That one piece sprue will eventually come out like Indomitus for £40 or £60 individually. Maybe recoup some cash that way.

Chikout wrote:


Overpriced and unasked for.
AoS had a lot releases in early 2021, 3 full armies, 7 books and Cursed City. All of these were very popular, especially the soul blight release. People don't have infinite money.
A lot of people were fairly happy with second edition, and thought it's life should have been extended especially as w missed a year due to COVID.
The box set was essentially divided into three sections; Stormcast, Kruleboyz and Hobgrotz. Very few people liked all three.
The changes to the rules didn't seem to address the biggest problem people were having at the time. The AoS version of overwatch was particularly unpopular. I think that one rule drove quite a lot of people away.

I honestly think that if they had delayed the game, spaced out the broken realms books a bit and then released the game in November, it would have sold a lot better.

This forum is a bit biased against AoS but most people who play the game regularly will tell you the game is the best it has ever been with balance that is only slightly broken. There are 9 armies that are capable of winning tournaments regularly. The game certainly isn't dead by any means.

Thanks for taking the time. Much appreciated.

scarletsquig wrote:
Fire sale on Dominion is hilarious, only a month ago they were pushing it with FOMO-inducing "low stock, buy now" banners and now it's £87, cheaper than bargain basement resellers.

Selling Fast!!!

alphaecho wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Dominion down to £87.50 they're really struggling to shift it.

Thats a good price.... if you want the ugly orcs too.

I'm not a big follower of AoS.

What is the issue with Dominion?

Overpriced (probably)?

Poor miniatures?

New ruleset a bit pap?

My guess is that a year of basically everything selling out instantly and the absurd amount of boxes Indomitus sold gave both GW (and the fanbase) the impression that they could sell you Warhammer-branded air-in-a-jar and they'd sell. So they produced as many/more boxes of Dominion as Indomitus, however the problem is that whilst AoS sells well, it probably isn't anywhere near to the silly levels of 40k. Everybody rolled out the red carpet expecting it would sell like hotcakes because, well, everything else in 2020/2021 has been and why wouldn't their second biggest line's new edition?

The other thing is that AoS' armies have a much wider spread of popularity. In 40k you know Marines are going to sell because maybe 70% of tables have Marines on them and even people who don't play them probably have a decent collection. Whilst Sigmarines are probably AoS' most popular army, the gap between them and the second most popular is not anywhere near as wide as that between Marines and 40k's second most popular range. Even if you're a diehard AoS fanboy, the odds of you picking up Dominion are much smaller compared to Indomitus where the majority of people wanted the contents.

Can anyone else see the Warhammer Day miniatures on U.K. site? I’m guessing they’ve sold out already, I can see them on Aussie and NZ store but not U.K.

 MattDC wrote:
Can anyone else see the Warhammer Day miniatures on U.K. site? I’m guessing they’ve sold out already, I can see them on Aussie and NZ store but not U.K.

That's probably because they're not up there yet. Things get put on the Aussie and NZ store before the UK one.

It’s says from 8am GMT on Aus site which I thought was a bit weird

 streetsamurai wrote:
For.those in the know (ebay resellers) is it the storm cast or orcs (or both) that are not selling.well?

I got the impression from several AOS players that the new orc aesthetic was quite poorly received. AoS has a lot of competition with well designed models, and convincing people to start a new army with one of the least popular ranges was too much of a tough sell.

GW could make the warscrolls for AOS3.0 free again online, I think that had more to do with it not selling as well. I picked up Dominion because the new Stormcast look fantastic (with a head swap), but the Orruks did not initially draw me at all. Not that I have them in hand and seen other people’s takes on them I think they look great.

 MattDC wrote:
It’s says from 8am GMT on Aus site which I thought was a bit weird

I've never known them to put anything up earlier than 10am (well, 9:55 sometimes but you know what I mean).

I'd check back in ten minutes.

Yeah, the new orruk are very different aesthetically than the other ones. Makes you wonder why they made them orruk and not some other race (fimir..). I guess the goal was that existing orruk players would add them to their army, but it doesn't seems like it was the case.

There is part of me that wonders if that project in fact began as Fimir, and then they decided they didn't want to try to rehabilitate them because of the negative attention their past might bring to GW.

Like, I love the Fimir design wise - incredible monster design, IMO- but I would understand their hesitancy.

The flip side is that they were in the Total War Games an no one cared at all.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 MattDC wrote:
It’s says from 8am GMT on Aus site which I thought was a bit weird

I've never known them to put anything up earlier than 10am (well, 9:55 sometimes but you know what I mean).

I'd check back in ten minutes.

Thanks. I thought it strange.

 MattDC wrote:
It’s says from 8am GMT on Aus site which I thought was a bit weird

Everything's a bit weird at the moment when it comes to Oz and release times as we're in the period of the year where the East Coast has two timezones as our backwards neighbours to the north fellow countrymen up in Queensland don't have Daylight Savings, whereas the rest of us do.

So pre-orders go up a midday for them still, which is now 1pm for us.

 xttz wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
For.those in the know (ebay resellers) is it the storm cast or orcs (or both) that are not selling.well?

I got the impression from several AOS players that the new orc aesthetic was quite poorly received. AoS has a lot of competition with well designed models, and convincing people to start a new army with one of the least popular ranges was too much of a tough sell.

One thing I had seen, is RPG players picking up some of the orcs for use in other fantasy games. With the winged lady being the only one that has much use outside from a few it’s a very weird box.

 CMLR wrote:
Wild wild guess:

Tomorrow's new products will be new miniatures.

Careful now, don't want to make a fool of yourself.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
There is part of me that wonders if that project in fact began as Fimir, and then they decided they didn't want to try to rehabilitate them because of the negative attention their past might bring to GW.

Like, I love the Fimir design wise - incredible monster design, IMO- but I would understand their hesitancy.

The flip side is that they were in the Total War Games an no one cared at all.

If they come back, the rape thing will be gone for sure. But yes, i could see some people digging up their old fluff and screaming scandal

I'm not seeing the discounts. There are items listed on sale but prices are normal. Maybe warzone Charadon is 8€ less than normal.

GW has a damned queue on their website again. Uhh...

Anyway...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not seeing the discounts. There are items listed on sale but prices are normal. Maybe warzone Charadon is 8€ less than normal.

There are discounts.

For example, take the "Mechanicus Batlefield Scenery Collection". It's nothing ground-breaking - just the Battlezone: Mechanicus – Charadon and Battlezone: Manufactorum Battlefield sets. They're weirdly mismatched, making the bundle not really all that attractive.

But, bought normally they cost $250 and $84, respectively. This bundle is $233.

Near as I can tell, the Azyrite Scenery Collection is a similar situation.

Plus one vampire, minus one voucher. 13€ and free shipping for a GW clampack character. It's just like the olden days!

But boy, is the GW website slow even with the queue system in place. Painfully and unworkably so for the first quarter of an hour. I was in the queue twice over the course of half an hour and both times I got onto the website in under one minute. If that doesn't sound like the worst of both worlds I don't know what does.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not seeing the discounts. There are items listed on sale but prices are normal. Maybe warzone Charadon is 8€ less than normal.

Does it just not show prices as intended or don't you have the option to tick "Warhammer Day" under "New and Exclusive"? The German store page seems like it has the full listing with discounted prices.

For reference, Catacombs is 112€ and Dominion 108.50€ where the regular prices are 160€ and 155€ respectively.

I'm seeing full prices on everything for some reason. Probaby because I'm a filthy Slav.

EDIT: It's exactly that. Switched to Germany and lo behold, 30% off.


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Got my vampire bought with discount voucher and free shipping too - very happy

I'm surprised Beastgrave is in the sale as it's out of rotation and taken off the boxed games section?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm seeing full prices on everything for some reason. Probaby because I'm a filthy Slav.

EDIT: It's exactly that. Switched to Germany and lo behold, 30% off.


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Yeah, that's classy of GW.

Ancient Otter wrote:
I'm surprised Beastgrave is in the sale as it's out of rotation and taken off the boxed games section?

They have excess stock they want to get rid of and the models are still good to use. And if you have to buy extra stuff to be current and play the game, so much the better.

Remember this is a thing GW does to benefit GW, not the customers. Customer benefit is basically collateral damage.

If we get Squats, I may poo myself.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Yeah, the new orruk are very different aesthetically than the other ones. Makes you wonder why they made them orruk and not some other race (fimir..). I guess the goal was that existing orruk players would add them to their army, but it doesn't seems like it was the case.

Well I can only speak for myself but I collect both stormcast and orcs and goblins and to me personally the new orc aesthetics does nothing for me to the point that I find that I dont want none of them on my army. Rending the box 50% useless.
It was not needed. The timing after more than year of no gaming made me wonder if I really needed to spend silly money on rules updates and books... The idea of a cheap ruleset AoS started with is long gone, free warscrolls gone etc and its now a mimic of 40k expensive rules that dont last long enough.

So all in all timings, expensive updates and terrible orc new style just was a bad combo for me.

GW has a problem IMO and the idea of updating rules every few years cycle does not work for me anymore.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
If we get Squats, I may poo myself.

I don't even do that if I get Squits.

My Kharadron Overlords with Rogue Trader Squat plastic arms and weapons will be telling any new fangled Squats to do one (unless they look realllllly good).

Predictions for the reveal:

Warhammer Underworlds - A warband or two, or perhaps the next price-gouged two-warband boxed-set.

Blood Bowl - A new team. Maybe two if we're lucky. I don't think we'll be lucky.

Age of Sigmar - Hopefully the rumoured Beastmen vs Ogres (?) box. A vague and pointless teaser for something else.

The Horus Heresy - The big new box/the future of the game under GW proper. If we're lucky Jaghatai Khan.

Warcry - A new starter box* with two new units - Spider-People and Big Boofy Barbarians. None of that matters. All that matters is the new terrain. Show me the new terrain. I must have new terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!

Warhammer 40,000 - Custodes vs Genestealer Cult box, a look at the two new minis, an attempt to justify why these two armies would be fighting one another, plus showing the front covers of their respective new Codices. A reveal of the second half of the Octarius DLC books. A teaser for Tau next year. I doubt we'll see anything else.

*This is GW's new trend. It's already here for Kill-Team, it's now happening with Underworlds. Expect more frequent (and higher priced) starter boxes for the side games going forward in lieu of regular releases.

It is up.

They are in the studio not the spare bedroom today. 90 minute show so hopefully some good reveals.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Yeah, the new orruk are very different aesthetically than the other ones. Makes you wonder why they made them orruk and not some other race (fimir..). I guess the goal was that existing orruk players would add them to their army, but it doesn't seems like it was the case.

Well I can only speak for myself but I collect both stormcast and orcs and goblins and to me personally the new orc aesthetics does nothing for me to the point that I find that I dont want none of them on my army. Rending the box 50% useless.
It was not needed. The timing after more than year of no gaming made me wonder if I really needed to spend silly money on rules updates and books... The idea of a cheap ruleset AoS started with is long gone, free warscrolls gone etc and its now a mimic of 40k expensive rules that dont last long enough.

So all in all timings, expensive updates and terrible orc new style just was a bad combo for me.

GW has a problem IMO and the idea of updating rules every few years cycle does not work for me anymore.

Yeah, the n.ever ending rules bloat for both system is also really a turnoff for me. Minis are already very expensive, and now we have to buy tons of no less expensive book to use them. Though, personally, i must say thst my biggest let peeves with nuGW is the lack of customization on most kitd

Edit: holy crap, just realised ive written orruk instead of orcs. What have i become

Only an hour preview? At least they'll go through it fast...?

 streetsamurai wrote:


Edit: holy crap, just realised ive written orruk instead of orcs. What have i become

You deserve at least a week of penitence for this

Less chatty more revealy, pls.

I guess we won't see anything for necro, since the outlaws are not yet release :(

Leave the man and his ears alone :(

I like that the Ultras banner in there is the 1st Company. Not one you see very often.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Edit: holy crap, just realised ive written orruk instead of orcs. What have i become

You deserve at least a week of penitence for this

I think some self-flagellation is more appropriate

 GaroRobe wrote:
Leave the man and his ears alone :(

Now I can't unsee it.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Edit: holy crap, just realised ive written orruk instead of orcs. What have i become

You deserve at least a week of penitence for this

I think self-flagellation is more appropriate

I did not want to be very cruel for this first transpass but it may be more applicable indeed.

The sound is backwards. The guy on the right is in the left channel and vice versa.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The sound is backwards. The guy on the right is in the left channel and vice versa.

Just put on your headphones backward, ez.

Out of curiosity, have these guys ever successfully followed up on something the chat suggests?

When the DKK dropped, they promised they'd show them off side-by-side with the FW models

Come on….show us the pretties!

Show us something for frag sake

Custodes in 1,2,3...

Come on, get on with it!

Mmm. Custards. And Genesquealers.

Meh.

Thats actually a cool box set. I imagine most GSC have the brood lord, but ehhhh

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mmm. Custards. And Genesquealers.

Meh.

And also finally putting the Sisters of Silence into Custodes as well!

I like that set too!

The "leak" was less of a leak and more of a prophecy wasn't it?

Rather liking the new GSC character.

GSC on Terra? Well gak...

And a Custodes Lieutenant. Alright...

How many Rumour Engines does the Saboteur solve?

Combat Patrol contents confirmed.

At least is not Primaris.

Liking the tomboy GSC girl.

Nice pair of heads on the new Cutlist model!

The new models, for the conveniency of y'all.

Alternate head is really nice

Would it kill them to give Custards their own tanks?

That saboteur is such a lovely model. I definitely need to get it. I'm probably gonna convert her into some sort of IG or Necromunda character.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The sound is backwards. The guy on the right is in the left channel and vice versa.

Just put on your headphones backward, ez.

Or maybe he already had them on wrong..

New Custodes Codex - also fully confirms SoS joining them!

 CMLR wrote:
Combat Patrol contents confirmed.

Where?

Did he said double eagle on the pommel? But it is on the guard not on the pommel.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Would it kill them to give Custards their own tanks?

Agreed they'd look fantastic with their own flamboyant tanks!

Are the other characters from GSC that were in that boxed set that came out ages back.
It had a beoodlord in, then they released either it or a different one separate.
The box had a few unique Genestealer, mangos, abberants, two little baby stealers etc..
I see some of them in here, or what I assume are.

Slow start, hope they pick it up

 Overread wrote:
New Custodes Codex - also fully confirms SoS joining them!

It should be called Talons of the Emperor but GW new better.

GSC on Terra isn't new lore. I'm guessing the boxset is supposed to be that raid the Custode HQ did on Terra against the cult that rose there

Confirmed: Sister of Silence HQ choice.

Wow, another GSC character? The army sure didn't have enough of those already...

Hooooo.. flanking tactics for gsc.

Ilike the second head option for the Saboteur.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Combat Patrol contents confirmed.

Where?

Nowhere, but Hexfire halves where featured as the Combat Patrols for their Codices, and so far that page turns out to be the actual CP later on.

Confirmed pre-christmas, nice.

Oh God... that's it for 40k?

I like both of the new minis but honestly what I'd like the most would be a mini of the bonkers GSC magus on the Codex cover?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh God... that's it for 40k?

I ... kind of fear so?

 CMLR wrote:
Nowhere, but Hexfire halves where featured as the Combat Patrols for their Codices, and so far that page turns out to be the actual CP later on.

Hexfire didn't contain the Combat Patrols.

Maggotkin. Neat.

Cool model but thats it?

Cometh the Grandfather to Age of Sigmar

That’s rather pretty. Cut the video off too soon though!

Love the alternative head. Reminiscent of a very old Nurgle model.

New Nurgle man.

I like both heads of the sorcerer but hooded one is better.

Would get this model just for the fly head.
Several of my Nurgle Marines are fly head themed.
I like the look.

I also have that old metal Nurgle fly head sorcerer from fantasy.
Perhaps taken from that is this..

Danny76 wrote:
Would get this model just for the fly head.
Several of my Nurgle Marines are fly head themed.
I like the look.

I also have that old metal Nurgle fly head sorcerer from fantasy.
Perhaps taken from that is this..

Sure looks like it's that old sorcerer head. But the death guard also have that head too (though not as crisp looking)

Nurgle in aos is so much better looking than in 40k. They actually look weird and disturbing

PAPA NURGLE!

THANKS. The previous one was really uncool outdated and this one is just good gross.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh God... that's it for 40k?

If they led with this I'll bet there's more 40k at the end. Probably the Tau codex & character for January, and maybe Octarius book 2.

I really like Kaboom Girl and the Custodes lieutenant is nice, too.

Nurgle as the next battletome? Meh. But good for folks playing Nurgle.

Be nice if we could get a new Epidemius.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Would it kill them to give Custards their own tanks?

You mean besides the Caladius, Coronus, and Pallas?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Would it kill them to give Custards their own tanks?

You mean besides the Caladius, Coronus, and Pallas?

I assume people want non-FW stuff.

Ooooh. Dungeon Bowl!

Anyone spotting new player models?

Thats a blast from the past

Oh. Didn’t expect Dungeonbowl back

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Would it kill them to give Custards their own tanks?

You mean besides the Caladius, Coronus, and Pallas?

In plastic not resin.

Dungeon bowl! Exploding chests and wall passes!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ooooh. Dungeon Bowl!

Anyone spotting new player models?

They’re all new aren’t they?

I'm very disappointed in GW atm.

"Nurgle Sorcerer?"

What kind of name is that? Why not Bubosed Illness-hewer? Or Pustule Disease caster?






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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ooooh. Dungeon Bowl!

Anyone spotting new player models?

They’re all new aren’t they?

Nah, the models look like current models.

Also, Dwarfs working with greenskins, being sponsored by a college of magic? Thats a grudgin

Ah shame. I guess the paint scheme made them look new.

I’ve only got all my old metals. And haven’t actually invested in the redo yet

Those are existing minis. One sprue of 4 different teams.

And those tiles are VERY old school Warhammer Quest.

Nothing too exciting so far mini wise......

 streetsamurai wrote:
Nothing too exciting so far mini wise......

So far they've only shown is 3 new minis.

Only three new minis so far then.

Underworlds and Warcry will have the most reveals I guess model wise.

Fine by me as that’s what I’m interested in from all this so far..

Wait, are these the actual whq tiles???

Seems like they are following the order shown on the WarCom Banner so after Warcry its Underworlds and HH at the end

Much better models.

These Darkoath looks so much better than the two characters and the underworld band

Those Darkoath look like they are right off a Rockband/fanclub!

LOOK.
AT.
THAT.
TERRAIN!

Looks great terrain especially I though it lacked height but they've accounted for that.

Hey, the barbarian from the Hero Quest cover scored another job after all these years!

Cool terrain there.

That terrain is the star of the.release so far

That is very nice terrain.

The terrain is the best part of this set.

It's amazing!!!!!!!!!!

And the Darkoath's have Conan and Red Sonja.

Oh nyo, those darkoath ladies suffer from significant pinhead syndrome compared to the boys I think.

So I don’t play this game but like the models.
How much can I sell that terrain for to make the warbands justifiably cheap to have..

Witch, not wolverine and not conan are my favourites.

I want this.
But I'm very very cautious about the price.

Buuuut it'll be a better deal than the LAST warcry starter

SONJA.

Also that terrain is sick as hell.

This has to be a $200 release.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm very disappointed in GW atm.

"Nurgle Sorcerer?"

What kind of name is that? Why not Bubosed Illness-hewer? Or Pustule Disease caster?

He is "Rotbringer" Sorcerer.

Holy gak it's Conan't the Barbarian't

Darkoath looks great, but it's a shame that they havent took this as an opportunity to redo these outrageously outdated marauders

Small spiders are great.

Those Darkoath are truly excellent. Between these, Untamed Beasts and Spire Tyrants there is now pretty decent selection of cool looking barbaric marauders if one would want to make a full AOS Chaos army of them. And I am definitely tempted...

Yeah, the barbarians are cool. Good to have and mix with the other barbarians types.

Just watch that marine marching along whlist under light fire and just not caring"!

Sound design in Angels of Death remains awful, but the story is fun.

And the Tech-Marine is off to go and awake the Dreadnought I think.

So I haven't been watching Angels of Death, but I really liked how in that snippet the Marine force seemed to contain a lot of human auxilia that had a prominent role. I really wish you could have that in the game too.

That new Harrowdeep warband is pure fun!

Feels like a missed opportunity.

No anchor weapon?

Or a cannon?

But I love his companions

REJECT CRAB
RETURN TO MONKE

Grots are awesome!

Is he using a Grudgeraker as a pistol?

Both gnoblars are cool. Peg leg is great. I like the monkey.
The ogre looks very much pirate so that’s good..

Gotta say I wish 40K had an Underworld equivalent. It's just pure fun stuff and you can certainly see that the designers get to have a lot of freedom and fun with what they make for it.

Wonder how the new Ogre Warband will compare to the previous one, just with one more animal and one less gnoblar.

What is the half reveal then..
After HH

Khan!

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

 Overread wrote:
Gotta say I wish 40K had an Underworld equivalent. It's just pure fun stuff and you can certainly see that the designers get to have a lot of freedom and fun with what they make for it.

Yeah, definitely.

 Overread wrote:
Gotta say I wish 40K had an Underworld equivalent. It's just pure fun stuff and you can certainly see that the designers get to have a lot of freedom and fun with what they make for it.

My favourite bit about Underworlds.
Not even buying them to play the game, just to have some fun models to paint up from factions I wouldn’t go all in with.

Jaghatai looks amazing!

He's here!

Reject MONKE
Return to BOAT

(All Tomorrows/Man After Man enjoyers will understand)

Oooh boy, the Khan looks amazing.

not entirely sold on the head but the armour looks absolutely gorgeous.

Which set of rumours does the GSC + custodes box pretty much confirm? Was the one with the Squats coming back a different set or the same one?

Khan looks nice. So all in all a rather mediocre stream then huh. Oh well.

christmas squig, christmas squig

Squig santa?

Let's see how far off the mark I was...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 - Custodes vs Genestealer Cult box, a look at the two new minis, an attempt to justify why these two armies would be fighting one another, plus showing the front covers of their respective new Codices. A reveal of the second half of the Octarius DLC books. A teaser for Tau next year. I doubt we'll see anything else.

Somehow they showed even less than this. Holy crap...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Age of Sigmar - Hopefully the rumoured Beastmen vs Ogres (?) box. A vague and pointless teaser for something else.

Not even close, and not even as much. A new Nurgle guy (who I love) and a book. This is turning out to be worse than I thought.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Blood Bowl - A new team. Maybe two if we're lucky. I don't think we'll be lucky.

A redo of Dungeon Bowl using new tiles and existing minis. Still no High Elf team...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warcry - A new starter box* with two new units - Spider-People and Big Boofy Barbarians. None of that matters. All that matters is the new terrain. Show me the new terrain. I must have new terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!

The terrain was worth the wait. The minis in there aren't half bad either. But seriously, TERRAIN! It's amazing. I wants all of it. Twice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer Underworlds - A warband or two, or perhaps the next price-gouged two-warband boxed-set.

Just a Warband. I should always remember to 'halve my expectations, and then halve them again' for GW previews.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Horus Heresy - The big new box/the future of the game under GW proper. If we're lucky Jaghatai Khan.

We got Jaghatai Khan... and that's it. He's nice, sure, but wow. I really thought we'd get the big HH reveal.

Which brings us to the silly teaser, which would guess as either Codex: Tau or the HH box, but was... Christmas Squig. Great...

 GaroRobe wrote:
christmas squig, christmas squig

Gobbo riding Christmas Squig!

Red Gobbo on squig for the Christmas mini

Squats rumour squashed then?...

Well, that was a dissapointement. And what the hell was that teaser at the end?

Maybe the grots.vs.beastmen.box that.was.rumoured,

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, that was a dissapointement. And what the hell was that teaser at the end?

Maybe the grots.vs.beastmen.box that.was.rumoured,

Exclusive mini I bet, nothing more.

where was the big reveal?

Squigmass? Gitzmass?

Ancient Otter wrote:
Squats rumour squashed then?...

From what I can tell, the Custodes VS GSC box was rumoured in the same set as the Squats.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Squats rumour squashed then?...

From what I can tell, the Custodes VS GSC box was rumoured in the same set as the Squats.

Exactly. So the big Eldar update and new stuff for Chaos Marines in 2022 is very likely also true.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Which set of rumours does the GSC + custodes box pretty much confirm? Was the one with the Squats coming back a different set or the same one?

Going off memory, it was from the set of rumors that so far have all panned out. There was no timeline provided for the Squats arrival.

Also a heads up to GW for putting each major release update on its own community page. Far better than in the past where I was constantly refreshing the video page which messes up the video somewhat when you just want to glance at the photos whilst listening

Overall solid reveal in my view! Custodes and Sisters of Silence formally in one army with a new leader model; Cults getting a new leader, who looks great, and getting a new codex

New Dungeonbowl looks like a fun release for BB fans

Warcry steals a huge prize for awesome terrain and two warbands - honestly the spiders are nice but totally beaten by the classic barbarian style Darkoath warriors - if they don't finally kill off Marauder models I don't know what will.

Underworld continues to get pure fun with pirate ogors and beasties!

New HH Primarch, not an interest for me but a freaking awesome looking sculpt that I'm sure fans of that series will love.

And a fun tease of a Christmas model at the end.




Overall solid fun stuff! Sure its not a whole years worth of releases; but we've come to get used to that we get around 2-3 months of releases from these major previews now so I'm not all that bothered. It just means we'll like as not get a great preview for next year around Christmas

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Squats rumour squashed then?...

From what I can tell, the Custodes VS GSC box was rumoured in the same set as the Squats.

Yes, same source gave both. Everything on the list has come true so far (except for one Black Templar unit which turned out to be a conversion in the rule book).

Squats were mentioned for next year (or even later). I believe we have Elder and Chaos Marines coming first.

Where is HH...

Yeah a solid release there, spreading the love by several systems. Nothing for me though.

Speaking of Christmas what is on the schedule for that?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Yeah a solid release there, spreading the love by several systems. Nothing for me though.

Speaking of Christmas what is on the schedule for that?

So far a gobbo riding a squig - after that no idea. I don't think we've even any rumours of what Christmas sets there might be.

RazorEdge wrote:
where was the big reveal?

Red Sonja joining Warcry. I can't get over her.

The Khan sculpt was pretty awesome... but I don't plan to collect 30k White Scars

Other than that, the preview had not much for my taste (maybe the Pirate Oger)

The chrismas teaser will most likely be da black Gobbo (the old enemy of the White Dwarf)

 Overread wrote:
Also a heads up to GW for putting each major release update on its own community page. Far better than in the past where I was constantly refreshing the video page which messes up the video somewhat when you just want to glance at the photos whilst listening

Yeah I appreciated this too. My home Internet connection isn't great, and normally during these things you had to refresh one massive article with tons of pictures that also started a second Twitch stream auto-playing. Much easier to just refresh the main page for the specific articles instead.

Is it bad that I'm feeling relieved that there was so few things I want to buy? My GSC desperately need that codex and the new character model is great, but there's literally nothing else in that boxed set I want. Guess I'm waiting for the separate release next year.
There were a few other cool things, but all for games or factions I don't play.

Yeah, glad I stayed in bed for this.
GSC vs Custodes as everyone expected, and we know Tau is probably next...so maybe show the codex cover?

All other stuff unremarkable. The darkoath heads for the most part are dreadful, ugh.

I'm sure some are happy with what's coming (at least it was a nice spread of releases), but quite a big snooze for me.....which is what I was doing during the show anyway, so win/win.

They mention a HQ for sisters of silence, could we not have got a single model update for them :(

As it turns out, the best Warhammer Day preview all year was on 13 August when the 100 percent accurate leak was posted!!!

Khan not riding a Predator tank. Worst primarch evar!

Poor reveal again in terms of overall content.

They need to scale back these reveals in terms of the amount they do, as it is just a waste of time to watch the stream.

2x models for 40k and 1x for AoS (there largest game systems) is poor. Also, the emperors tarot thing was a total red herring.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Poor reveal again in terms of overall content.

They need to scale back these reveals in terms of the amount they do, as it is just a waste of time to watch the stream.

So you want more content but less content at the same time?

I mean sure if you just want the bullet point info its 5 mins; but that's not much of a reveal. Of course they are going to big up their releases, everyone does that. And it sets a mood and a tone and gets you more excited .

 Overread wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Poor reveal again in terms of overall content.

They need to scale back these reveals in terms of the amount they do, as it is just a waste of time to watch the stream.

So you want more content but less content at the same time?

I mean sure if you just want the bullet point info its 5 mins; but that's not much of a reveal. Of course they are going to big up their releases, everyone does that. And it sets a mood and a tone and gets you more excited .

Yeah I think this is a stopping gap between now and Christmas to keep you interested and they covered so many systems here. Its no alwayst all about the 2 main ones but even then 40k going to get a new big box so yeah I would not call it poor.

 Overread wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Poor reveal again in terms of overall content.

They need to scale back these reveals in terms of the amount they do, as it is just a waste of time to watch the stream.

So you want more content but less content at the same time?

I mean sure if you just want the bullet point info its 5 mins; but that's not much of a reveal. Of course they are going to big up their releases, everyone does that. And it sets a mood and a tone and gets you more excited .

I'd prefer to have less reveals through the year with more content. Quantity and quality within them at the cost of the quantity of them.

The Gencon preview was more substantial than this, and this is meant to be 'Warhammer day'... I get it would never be on the same standard as warhammer fest (another good one for reveals), but this, along with the new year preview can honestly get in the bin in the current format, either reveal a lot, or sack them off... It's not a worthy way to spend an hour or two on the weekend. Luckily, I have learnt my lesson and didn't actually bother to watch the stream, though I'm becoming more and more less inclined to watch such streams in future as too many seem to be of this standard.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

I was hoping for but not expecting this!

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Poor reveal again in terms of overall content.

They need to scale back these reveals in terms of the amount they do, as it is just a waste of time to watch the stream.

So you want more content but less content at the same time?

I mean sure if you just want the bullet point info its 5 mins; but that's not much of a reveal. Of course they are going to big up their releases, everyone does that. And it sets a mood and a tone and gets you more excited .

I'd prefer to have less reveals through the year with more content. Quantity and quality within them at the cost of the quantity of them.

The Gencon preview was more substantial than this, and this is meant to be 'Warhammer day'... I get it would never be on the same standard as warhammer fest (another good one for reveals), but this, along with the new year preview can honestly get in the bin in the current format, either reveal a lot, or sack them off... It's not a worthy way to spend an hour or two on the weekend. Luckily, I have learnt my lesson and didn't actually bother to watch the stream, though I'm becoming more and more less inclined to watch such streams in future as too many seem to be of this standard.

I think the thing is its important to note that things like "Warhammer Day" are a date in the book independent of what GW is working on. Especially right now with all the mess of the last 2 years throwing spanners in the works at every turn.

Personally I prefer the way they do it now - sure the reveals aren't as massive ,but we get much more constant trickling news. We are about 3 months or so aware of future releases at any one time and that's a good spot I think. I think holding stuff back and doing fewer bigger releases just means we end up with much longer dead-periods between them where there's nothing new to latch onto. Plus if you get your big reveal and the 1 or 2 things you want are at the end of its release you get more of a feeling of waiting forever for the thing you want.

Sure I love big meaty releases where every moment is a new model, but I temper that against more modest ones that keep things ticking over. Again big releases are fun, but so too is just one or two new models.

 Overread wrote:



I think the thing is its important to note that things like "Warhammer Day" are a date in the book independent of what GW is working on. Especially right now with all the mess of the last 2 years throwing spanners in the works at every turn.

Yeah guys, I mean how can you expect Games Workshop to control what is revealed on Warhammer Day?!?!

They are at the absolute mercy of whoever created Warhammer Day, it just appeared one day and now it must be obeyed!

It is pretty unreasonable to expect GW to have a huge reveal on Warhammer Day I totally agree. Even if they say it will be huge. Maybe even especially then.

Flocking waste of time yet again.. Where's my resculpted beakies!? Disappointment

Pretty indifferent, all told. I'm sure warcry people might be happy if they like either warband, and maybe there are dungeon bowl fans -somewhere,- but the other handful of models aren't much to write home about

Yes, lame Preview.

They announcet a "massive" preview for Warhammer Day and it was less then some other "big" previews.

RazorEdge wrote:
Yes, lame Preview.

They announcet a "massive" preview for Warhammer Day and it was less then some other "big" previews.

"The hype giveth, and the hype taketh away."

- Abraham Lincoln

GW big reveals are nice.
I go to the community site in the evening to look at new models then pop in at Dakka to read the latest two pages of the events News and Rumor thread to catch up with the outrage and get som chuckles from the clever posters.

I would not call it15-20 minutes wasted most of the time.

RazorEdge wrote:
Yes, lame Preview.

They announcet a "massive" preview for Warhammer Day and it was less then some other "big" previews.

Personally think.it is by far their worst preview. No new units for the main two games, repackaged minis for bb. The warcry.box.is.cool, but we already saw the two leaders, so it wasnt a surprise.

And that christmas thing at the end was beyond lame. Are we supposed to be excited for some kind of xmas theme miniature??

I was expecting them to save the show by showing us a few renders for the OW, but alas

Apple fox wrote:
They mention a HQ for sisters of silence, could we not have got a single model update for them :(

This HQ may well end as this character from the BL book https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/10/black-library-weekender-2019-the-reveals/ so no new model for SoS is possible.

 streetsamurai wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Yes, lame Preview.

They announcet a "massive" preview for Warhammer Day and it was less then some other "big" previews.

Personally think.it is by far their worst preview. No new units for the main two games, repackaged minis for bb. The warcry.box.is.cool, but we already saw the two leaders, so it wasnt a surprise.

And that christmas thing at the end was beyond lame. Are we supposed to be excited for some kind of xmas theme miniature??

I was expecting them to save the show by showing us a few renders for the OW, but alas

Funny. I counted 3 new units for 2 main games.

 Son of Sigismund wrote:
The Khan sculpt was pretty awesome... but I don't plan to collect 30k White Scars

Other than that, the preview had not much for my taste (maybe the Pirate Oger)

The chrismas teaser will most likely be da black Gobbo (the old enemy of the White Dwarf)

As opposed to the red gobbo who has already appeared as a christmas mini in the past couple years, and wears red as indicated in the preview?

 streetsamurai wrote:


I was expecting them to save the show by showing us a few renders for the OW, but alas

We're still probably a year away, at least, before we see minis for TOW.

tneva82 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Yes, lame Preview.

They announcet a "massive" preview for Warhammer Day and it was less then some other "big" previews.

Personally think.it is by far their worst preview. No new units for the main two games, repackaged minis for bb. The warcry.box.is.cool, but we already saw the two leaders, so it wasnt a surprise.

And that christmas thing at the end was beyond lame. Are we supposed to be excited for some kind of xmas theme miniature??

I was expecting them to save the show by showing us a few renders for the OW, but alas

Funny. I counted 3 new units for 2 main games.

These are characters, not units

Not that I ever find these exciting but there was a period in time where there were never reveals to the public...

I agree that this was fairly underwhelming content for a headline "Warhammer day" preview. However that's almost certainly a symptom of the ongoing disruption to the release schedule. We know that several 40k codexes were originally meant to be out at least 2-3 months earlier than we got them. AOS is definitely still disrupted, as Maggotkin was planned to be out by now and the dragons still aren't available.

It's fairly likely that today was mostly stuff originally planned for announcement by Gencon, but instead has ended up in line with Warhammer Day. Perhaps at the start of 2021, GW expected today would be the first unveil of new CSM or Eldar. It's a shame, but on the grand scale of things hardly the end of the world.

Of course it isn't the end of the world. But its the latest trickle in an ongoing saga of 'massive' 'exciting' and 'best ever.'

They could manage expectations rather than -consistently- creating and then underselling them.

Just do regular updates as they become relevant, don't bother with the two heads yammering about nothing.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Son of Sigismund wrote:
The Khan sculpt was pretty awesome... but I don't plan to collect 30k White Scars

Other than that, the preview had not much for my taste (maybe the Pirate Oger)

The chrismas teaser will most likely be da black Gobbo (the old enemy of the White Dwarf)

Spoiler:

As opposed to the red gobbo who has already appeared as a christmas mini in the past couple years, and wears red as indicated in the preview?

The Red Gobbo is a 40k character.

Whereas the Black Gobbo is a character from the Fantasy side.

It would be odd to make an AoS themed teaser for a 40k character. There's really no connection between Goblin or Gretchin and Christmas, but GW rebranded the Red Gobbo from a revolushunary hero to Santa. If they're determined to share the love between the two main systems, it's not illogical to assume that the Black Gobbo, who already has a history of breaking the fourth wall as the counterpart to the White Dwarf, will get a Christmas miniature to give AoS players a Santa goblin of their own.

 NAVARRO wrote:
40k going to get a new big box so yeah I would not call it poor.

Not sure if you can count a box with 25 models, 2 of them tiny familiars, a "BIG" box by any extent.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Son of Sigismund wrote:


The chrismas teaser will most likely be da black Gobbo (the old enemy of the White Dwarf)

As opposed to the red gobbo who has already appeared as a christmas mini in the past couple years, and wears red as indicated in the preview?

Guys let's not make this a racial thing.

Cronch wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
40k going to get a new big box so yeah I would not call it poor.

Not sure if you can count a box with 25 models, 2 of them tiny familiars, a "BIG" box by any extent.

True that! But yeah bigger than the normal regiment boxes XD

By 5 models if you count stuff like Hobgrots and such

So anyone else want the ogor pirate just to turn him into a witch hunter? He's got a coat and everything

The Nathan Explosion/Conan barbarian is an absolute must have. I love it.

Just came home.

Scope of reveal about as modest as I expected given the supply line issues etc.

Warcry has cool terrain, meh fighters.

Ogre Pirate is okay, a bit bland in the posing.

The rest ain't even worth mentioning. 40k battle box is meh, Nurgle character is meh, Dungeon Bowl barely counts as a release with no sculpts.

I still think it's weird how many of the Dungeon Bowl tiles look like the original Warhammer Quest tiles. I kinda want them now...

But yeah, this preview was lousy, and so many of us predicted it. Hell, my lowball predictions turned out to be way too optimistic. In the first 1/2 hour they managed to reveal 3 whole miniatures. Sorry AoS players, you only get one. Live with it. And twice they took the time to convince us to sign up to W+. No thanks.

If it weren't for the lovely Warcry Terrain there'd be nothing to be excited about.

 Strombones wrote:
The Nathan Explosion/Conan barbarian is an absolute must have. I love it.

I thought he looked like the Hero Quest barbarian.

boyd wrote:

 Strombones wrote:
The Nathan Explosion/Conan barbarian is an absolute must have. I love it.

I thought he looked like the Hero Quest barbarian.

All drawing on the same archetype.
Pale of skin, hair of raven black. Muscles and brooding.

This is about what was expected, though I did think there was maybe as mall chance of an announcement for next year.

Still,

2 more dexes knocked out for 40k is a great thing. That's 10 dexes this year if you count the SM supplements. Looking forward to the year of chaos next year since those rumors have been super accurate.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
They mention a HQ for sisters of silence, could we not have got a single model update for them :(

This HQ may well end as this character from the BL book https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/10/black-library-weekender-2019-the-reveals/ so no new model for SoS is possible.

Honestly that would be good, not sure why they thought that was done well in the first place.

Dungeonbowl is pretty exciting, that was great at the time.

Lorewise the idea of GSC on Terra is cool.

This might be utterly futile and only inviting raging trolls, if so, I'm sorry for that in advance.

But was that 1:45min of advertisements really it? That is the entire thing they made such a fuzz about? I never followed warhammer day, but I figured it must be some sort of alternative to Games Days, now that Corona made those impossible.

What I mean is, the entire "show" was 2 dudes talking to each other, barely even looking into the camera, about how great the new miniatures are and that everyone should totally buy them. I get it, GW needs to sell miniatures to stay in business and hence they need to advertise. Fair game.

But what about the rest? Why is there no designer "workshop" where they present the design process of one of the recent Codexes. Someone from the art department, showing of how they created some artwork and give some context to their thought process. Some BL author, talking about an upcoming book. An army on parade slot were they show of the coolest entries for 2021....you know....any of the stuff that is remotely in context to the actual hobby. I heard something about presentation slots, did I miss all of that? Their twitch channel only has the 1:45min vid.

And what is a half preview? Something like a preview to a preview? I thought they meant half time preview and I only got them wrong, but then the vid was over. If that really was it, then I have to admit, this is laughable. For more than a week they kept reminding us to watch a 1:45min QVC advertisement block.

Considering a lot of people consider anything GW does to be marketing/advertising including lore videos and interviews - yes yes that was advertising. I mean what else were you expecting? They've been doing these for several years now.



I believe that Warhammer Day and some other events have had panels and such, but in person; however the UK situation is still, on iffy grounds for such things so I can appreciate if GW didn't want to run one in the UK at this point.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
This might be utterly futile and only inviting raging trolls, if so, I'm sorry for that in advance.

But was that 1:45min of advertisements really it? That is the entire thing they made such a fuzz about? I never followed warhammer day, but I figured it must be some sort of alternative to Games Days, now that Corona made those impossible.

What I mean is, the entire "show" was 2 dudes talking to each other, barely even looking into the camera, about how great the new miniatures are and that everyone should totally buy them. I get it, GW needs to sell miniatures to stay in business and hence they need to advertise. Fair game.

But what about the rest? Why is there no designer "workshop" where they present the design process of one of the recent Codexes. Someone from the art department, showing of how they created some artwork and give some context to their thought process. Some BL author, talking about an upcoming book. An army on parade slot were they show of the coolest entries for 2021....you know....any of the stuff that is remotely in context to the actual hobby. I heard something about presentation slots, did I miss all of that? Their twitch channel only has the 1:45min vid.

And what is a half preview? Something like a preview to a preview? I thought they meant half time preview and I only got them wrong, but then the vid was over. If that really was it, then I have to admit, this is laughable. For more than a week they kept reminding us to watch a 1:45min QVC advertisement block.

The red part is the standard format of GW online previews. I don't remember if it's been exactly like if from the very first one on it, but it has quickly settled into that format.

Games Day, these days called Warhammer Fest, is still a thing that happens in May. Obviously not in physical form the last two times.

Warhammer Day is something GW randomly pulled out of its... hat a year or two ago, if I remember correctly. It's not much older than that. It's not a thing that is tied to or tries to mirror Warhammer Fest. Just a new marketing initiative without much meaning or use to the customers.

Online previews are set either to coincide with large events, both GW and non-GW where before Covid GW would have a presence, and at a suitable time determined by their release schedule and marketing plan. The online previews follow the same format, sometimes with more, oftentimes with less to show. They tend not to be specifically tied to any event they may coincide with.

You people don't watch GW's reveal streams with the sound muted?

I certainly do, it's the only way i can stomach them.

There isn't any point to actually wasting time watching them. I just check in a couple hours later when the actual previews are up on WarCom.

And still find its basically a nothing-burger.

I can't believe that we didn't have any new Space Marines at this preview.
Not cool GW, not cool. :-)

Sorry, wrong thread...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 - Custodes vs Genestealer Cult box, a look at the two new minis, an attempt to justify why these two armies would be fighting one another, plus showing the front covers of their respective new Codices. A reveal of the second half of the Octarius DLC books. A teaser for Tau next year. I doubt we'll see anything else.

So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

 xttz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 - Custodes vs Genestealer Cult box, a look at the two new minis, an attempt to justify why these two armies would be fighting one another, plus showing the front covers of their respective new Codices. A reveal of the second half of the Octarius DLC books. A teaser for Tau next year. I doubt we'll see anything else.

So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

Considering the reaction of twitch chat to all the other campaign book announcements they probably deliberately avoided it.

The difference between this preview and earlier ones is, that they talked much more and showed lesser as they did in the past.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
But what about the rest? Why is there no designer "workshop" where they present the design process of one of the recent Codexes. Someone from the art department, showing of how they created some artwork and give some context to their thought process. Some BL author, talking about an upcoming book. An army on parade slot were they show of the coolest entries for 2021....you know....any of the stuff that is remotely in context to the actual hobby. I heard something about presentation slots, did I miss all of that? Their twitch channel only has the 1:45min vid.

Warhammer +

This Company gets more and more sad...

 Bosskelot wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 - Custodes vs Genestealer Cult box, a look at the two new minis, an attempt to justify why these two armies would be fighting one another, plus showing the front covers of their respective new Codices. A reveal of the second half of the Octarius DLC books. A teaser for Tau next year. I doubt we'll see anything else.

So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

Considering the reaction of twitch chat to all the other campaign book announcements they probably deliberately avoided it.

I'm sure an Orks supplement/army of renown double decker buff bus would have gone down very well on stream.

I am glad that orks are getting looted vehicles though. I hope they are fun rules because I would love for ork players to put looted everything in front of me... elder dark elder rhinos land raiders leman russes maybe even entirely other franchises...

It was billed as a preview of new stuff, and they previewed new stuff.

Not sure what the issue is for some.

Anyway, I loved ye olde Dungeonbowl of 2nd edition BB, so I'm rather chuffed it's making a comeback in it's own fully-featured boxed game. No new sculpts is fine, it's a starter set.

The Red Harvest box looks great but will probably be too expensive for me, so I'll just wait until the barbarians pop up in their own box because some of those sculpts are must-haves.

The pirate ogre and his crew are absolutely great. I'm a big fan of the Pirate Coast in Warhammer: Total War and have been (incredibly slowly) working on a Pirate Coast themed undead army, so I may pick it up just to paint because of the theme.

The 40k box doesn't really interest me, but I have a small force of Custodes and SoS, so the Codex will likely work its way into my collection at some point.

The rest didn't really interest me so I don't really have anything specific to say about it, nor do I feel compelled to criticise GW over it. What a world.

 xttz wrote:
So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

That pretty much took everyone by surprise, I'd think.

And the Warcry box is up for pre-order next week as well. That was fast. They spent more time hyping up Cursed City!

 xttz wrote:
Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

And never mentioned again...

It was a damned weird preview. 45m in and they'd only shown off 3 minis. AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

What's wrong with them over there?

 Overread wrote:

I believe that Warhammer Day and some other events have had panels and such, but in person; however the UK situation is still, on iffy grounds for such things so I can appreciate if GW didn't want to run one in the UK at this point.

Goodness knows it's impossible to put up some images and have someone talk over them online...

but yes, basically 90% of Warhammer Community videos are just very long commercials.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


It was a damned weird preview. 45m in and they'd only shown off 3 minis. AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

What's wrong with them over there?

Maybe they're expanding the Warhammer+ content model?

AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry - those count as new Slaves to Darkness models. With a mild hope that maybe the Dark Oath will kick out the Marauder models finally.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

Well, when something new comes out I don't watch at the logo but for its uses.

AoS
*1 Nurgle Sorcerer
*10 muscle Marauders
*10 Spider Marauders
*1 Maneater
*2 Gnoblars
*1 monkey assassine
*1 parrot
*cool terrain

I don't play any WHF games, so my look on those I play:

40k
*1 Custodes
*1 Xenos terrorist
*1 Nurgle cultist/poxwalker leader (yes, poxwalkers have no leader... would look cool in a unit nonetheless)
*evil Jokaero

Necromunda
*1 Hybrid Acolyte with Demolition charges
*1 Nurgle Demagogue/Witch
*10 Spider cultists from the swamp
*3 bases with Spiders

With this point of view, I'm not really disappointed.

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Yes but its been proven that the new Warbands in Warcry are just viable models in AoS proper. Granted so far most are in Slaves to Darkness and Daughters of Khaine have 1 unit that makes use of it. Though I'd hope we might see more for other forces slowly in time. I'm actually surprised they've kept on focusing on the Slaves because they are already a little bloated with marauder equivalents.


But still I'm used to there being rises and falls in terms of how many new models are released. Right now it looks like we've gone from a 2 system to a 3 system dynamic for core products (ego excluding the Licenced Lord of the Rings).

Age of Sigmar
40K
Specialist games


The last block can be a bit more muted and often slots in around the other two; but in general I'd say this last preview was basically a lions share to Specialist games. Same as how sometimes AoS is getting all the models and 40K justgets a book; or vis-versa.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though. Warcry and Underworlds models are AOS models. Sure, their AOS scrolls are sometimes bit wonky, but they're still usable. And at least the Darkoath are also perfectly usable as normal marauders, if it turns out their bespoke scroll is weird.

 Crimson wrote:
Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though.

It's a nice big "Well ackshually!" moment, and he damn-well knows it. He's just making excuses.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Overread's perspective is is actually how it is though.

It's a nice big "Well ackshually!" moment, and he damn-well knows it. He's just making excuses.

And you're again inventing grievances.

How many models that you can use in AOS, which will get AOS warscrolls did they announce? Because that was quite a bit more than one. This is not for conversions or counts-as, they're legit AOS models just like the new Sister Novitiates and Krieg guradsmen for Kill Team are also legit 40K models. That the models can be used in several systems is better!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Well if you want to shut your eyes to facts feel free.

There was more than 1 models you can use for AOS. If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise...well you get reputation for being dishonest Guess you don't care about your reputation? Weird but whatever. Your loss.

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

Well if you want to shut your eyes to facts feel free.

There was more than 1 models you can use for AOS. If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise...well you get reputation for being dishonest Guess you don't care about your reputation? Weird but whatever. Your loss.

I think that the point is when you hear "Warhammer DAY" you tend to think of the following exaggerated example.

Warhammer DAY and what it COULD be:

40K:

Custodes/GSC Box + 2 Codexes
New Primarch/Old popular character gets a new model release for Christmas
Codex Tau, Codex Blood Angels, Codex Craftworlds all coming Q1 2022

AOS:
Battletome Nurgle + Model
Battletome Khorne + Model
Q2 2022 New Faction "Nounnoun, Nounnouns" Prieview model (Noun Nounnoun)


Horus Heresy
Book X + Khan

BloodBowl
Necromunda
Adeptus Titanicus
AI
New Game IP (BFG, etc)



We wanted meat in our soup, not just salted water with three models and three books in it for the two major IPs that company owns. I mean this is the second time they've done this now, ensuring that in the future I will not waste any time with "Warhammer Day" because it's clearly just warhammer 30 minute edition.

Was I dissapointed by the previews? A little. But it's an online video free to watch with a summary an hour later. But it helps not to have huge expectations going in, and then getting dissapointed that it was not everything you imagined.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Overread wrote:
AoS had two warbands added to it through Warcry...

Don't do that. You know what I meant. AoS got a preview of exactly one model and a book.

I'm with the others.

As far as I'm concerned warcry and shadesspire stuff are just subheadings of AOS, irrespective of how GW may show the during previews etc.

Indeed I was immediately looking at the new barbarian stuff to see how to include in my current AOS project. Less interested in the spider guys, at least for now. Also I have no interest in the Nurgle stuff. So for me the Warcry band was the most interesting part of what was previewed for AOS.

Same with the warcry terrain, that just gets lumped under AOS terrain in my mind, in the same way as kill team terrain gets lumped under 40k terrain.

It may be that you do not see them as AOS stuff, and that is your prerogative, but that doesn't mean others don't.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

As I've noted elsewhere, Warhammer Day is a fixed date in the book which isn't linked to production.
What we get on any of the GW reveal events is what's in the production pipeline. Sure GW makes efforts to have some key events happen on key dates - eg the last two years we've had massive new editions in the middle of the year. Which GW amazingly actually met both times during the Pandemic - but its clear they didn't even go fully to plan when new armies and new forces spent months waiting for new battletomes/codex in both cases. I'm sure GW would love to have had more stuff for Warhammer Day, but it is what it is. Chances are they couldn't just put a huge release on because the production isn't ready for it.

It's just another marketing day focus for them to have a bigger than normal launch of things. That they are pushing out several things already further shows that GW, like a lot of firms, is playing things close because the ability to predict and plan far off is likely hampered right now. Shipping is a minefield of rising costs and delays; Corona throws its head up in random spots likely shutting down warehouses and staff teams causing further delays when there are outbreaks; lockdowns are always a risk which might slow things in industry (it seems we've reached a point where it slows rather than outright stops); but will often then spike demand at the same time.


I think some people just get too wrapped up in the marketing hype for these things and keep wholesale believing in the "best ever" and "big release" stuff to the point where if GW isn't launching at least one or two full army revamps, its a dud/waste.




Also don't forget its not like the end of the Kirby days where we might get 1 news event in the year and then absolutely nothing for the rest of the year. In general we know the next 3 months or so of releases at any one time and GW has loads more events and slots where they reveal things. Sometimes so close together that they fall over each other and one is "dull" only to be followed in a few weeks by a massive one. Or several in a row just get a massive dump spread out. The information is far more frequent than it was, but that does mean that individual events can be smaller.

I like to think the grievances over the preview are down to them seemingly limiting previews to items due for release in 2021, or that already announced in some capacity.

Given we're in November basically by the date of the preview and they historically do few big releases near Christmas, they maybe should have bit the bullet and showed us some meatier content from 2022.

They'll be aware of the leaked schedule, it wouldn't kill them to show us a couple of new chaos models, or maybe something from the next big sigmar release to whet an appetite for 2022.

 Dryaktylus wrote:
*1 Xenos terrorist

Slander! Propaganda! Kaboom Girl is a freedom fighter!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you want to be dishonest and claim otherwise

I'm not the one being dishonest, tneva (a word you continue to misuse, but whatever).

The preview, such as it was, was broken up into several sections. The AoS section contained a single mini and a single book. Just because you can use War Cry (and, eventually, Underworlds) minis in AoS doesn't change the fact that the AoS section had a single mini reveal.

That's the criticism. That Warhammer Day was, like so, so, so many other things GW does, a massive waste of potential. They could have really made a celebration of Warhammer and actually shown off something big for AoS, but they chose a single mini, and a single book. They spent more time spruiking Warhammer+ than they did showing anything for any one game system.

No offense, but if you want to criticize GW for inventing an event day and marketing it as the biggest thing ever only to fill it with mediocrity at best, why don't you just do that? I'm sure a lot of us agree with that assessment.

The fact is that Warcry Chaos warbands are dual use miniatures and the ones that were already released at the time got warscrolls right in the new Slaves to Darkness battletome, making them as offical a part of the army as any other unit in the battletome, not as alternate models for Marauders (you can obviously still use them like that if you so please) but with bespoke rules accounting for their box contents and equipment options. While it has yet to happen to the later warbands, the initial warbands were released in genuine AoS and Slaves to Darkness labeled boxes with doubled sprue count in addition to their original run of Warcry boxes with one copy of the sprues and card packs with their rules included. What is a section header in a marketing video in the face of that?

I look forward to other companies Warhammer day, featuring miniatures that aren’t AoS miniatures, but that can be used in AoS, technically making them AoS releases.

30 euros.

Well, the "result" of that end preview was as lame as expected

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So it turns out that out of nowhere Octarius II is up for preorder next week.

That pretty much took everyone by surprise, I'd think.

And the Warcry box is up for pre-order next week as well. That was fast. They spent more time hyping up Cursed City!

 xttz wrote:
Weird that they didn't mention that yesterday, and the Tau codex was announced in a random separate article mid-week instead.

And never mentioned again...

It was a damned weird preview. 45m in and they'd only shown off 3 minis. AoS got exactly one mini reveal.

What's wrong with them over there?

Their schedule is completely out of whack and they keep scrambling to stitch whatever they can get done in time together?

 Ordana wrote:
Their schedule is completely out of whack and they keep scrambling to stitch whatever they can get done in time together?

Probably this - the AoS Sigmar Dragons are still not out, Red Harvest is up for pre-order a week after it's main preview, War Zone Octarius Book 2: Critical Mass didn't get a preview, they still haven't said anything about the rumoured/leaked HH box...

They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

 Ordana wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

And they of course can't say that, because of the Shareholders.

 Ordana wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

They can't talk about the future because they have no idea when they will be able to get books and kits to customers.

They don't need to know when they're hitting the shelves exactly to preview a mini. Likewise they could easily have dropped that the warcry box was coming up for preorder in the preview, but didn't for some reason.

My one issue with counting Warcry and Underworlds releases as AoS ones is down to history of them, rather than principle. Mainly, 99% of those games' figures when ported over to AoS proper are just not worth fielding. Like, at all, even in the most laid back of environments. So sure, we might get a new ogre model, but it's almost certainly going to be pants in-game. It'd be better to just say it's a plastic Maneater and the animals are just not usable in AoS proper.
Just like it'd be better to brand every single of those Warcry chaos warbands as marauders instead of having 5 or 6 almost-marauders with barely usable rules that technically can't be used for marauders cause they have their own warscrolls. Having them as proxies would be better than having them as actual units in AoS.

Apple fox wrote:
They could probably help that schedule issue if they where willing to talk about the future a bit more.

They seemed to be caught off guard with the questions about if sisters of silence could run a army.
Like, it’s a bit funny honestly.

When it comes to previews GW plays it close so that when they announce something its basically already in the bag coming. That way what they preview is as close to a guarantee as they can get and often within a "reasonable" time frame. And yet even so they have issues - the new dragons for example; or go back a few years and the phyrr cats for Necromunda were previewed and then vanished without a word for ages.


The point is GW tries to at least keep most things pretty solid. That way their marketing gets a positive reaction.



The opposite would be something like Spartan Games used to be where they'd preview ideas and concepts sometimes years in advance, with no timeframes and often ending up missing their own deadlines on when things were going to come out. IT bred a lot of frustration because the news sounded great, but then might never come or come so far off that you'd forgotten about it.



Basically a keystone of marketing is being reliable. GW's marketing is generally that (esp outside of the last 2 years where things outside of their control have caused problems); which means when you see something you know you're going to get it. The only real weak point is often Forgeworld stuff where preveiws can come early and then take forever or never appear.


Sure GW could show us stuff for the next 3 years, then they'd have a great preview. And nothing new to show for the next 2 years. Plus there'd be loads of "sorry this is delayed; sorry this didn't work; sorry we dropped that;" or just silence and random things that sounded cool never appear.

There are definitely some odd choices about what wasn't mentioned, that's for sure...

- Not mentioning that Red Harvest would be up for pre-order next week at the end of the Warcry section seems like a missed hype opportunity
- Not mentioning the Charadon Pt. 2 books at all seems odd, especially when they were going up for pre-order next week
- While I can understand not wanting to show any model releases, given it was mentioned in an article earlier in the week, they could've shown off the cover for Codex: Tau as a teaser
- Doing the whole "something festive" thing on Saturday only to show a model on Monday (subject to the image zamerion posted cropping up officially today) is an odd choice - it'd've been one more thing to bulk out the reveals, at least.

+ + +

Quick unrelated question about the Khan, while I'm thinking about it - is there a mounted profile for him, as well as this on foot version? My mind's eye expected him to be on a bike or jetbike, not on foot you see.

I do sometimes wonder if GW's marketing department ever gets reliable/regular info from the department in charge of releases. I do agree sometimes they seem to shoot themselves in the foot or just not announce something.

Then again perhaps it was simply so that Sunday's news had actual news in it that was new information. Part of GW's strategy might be breaking up the news so that each slot has fresh information so that you're encouraged to keep up with the site every day.

What's happening with the release schedule is exactly what you'd expect if all your stuff was in containers in China that get loaded, shipped, unloaded and processed at random rates outside your control.

As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

Da Red Gobbo is on this weeks price list £23.50 available to preorder from Saturday until 30th December, must have been a very last minute decision to release it this week.

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

Necromunda still has stuff in the pipeline from the last reveals at GenCon. Book, civvy gang and the market place. I imagine we won’t hear anything on new stuff until that is in our sweaty mitts.

Yeah Kill Team is just out now, and the next Necromunda gang is due this month according to the roadmap. If they keep following the every 3 month release schedule for both games it would fit well to have a December preview for something new in Feb.

I'm a bit less confident on Titanicus as that seems to be only every 6 months now :(

 Dysartes wrote:
Quick unrelated question about the Khan, while I'm thinking about it - is there a mounted profile for him, as well as this on foot version? My mind's eye expected him to be on a bike or jetbike, not on foot you see.

Yes - he has Afoot & Mounted rules in Book 8 - Malevolence.


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 DaveC wrote:
Da Red Gobbo is on this weeks price list £23.50 available to preorder from Saturday until 30th December, must have been a very last minute decision to release it this week.

And his WarCom article is now up - Da Red Gobbo Is Here to Lead Da Christmas Revolushun With an Exclusive New Miniature.

 Overread wrote:
I do sometimes wonder if GW's marketing department ever gets reliable/regular info from the department in charge of releases. I do agree sometimes they seem to shoot themselves in the foot or just not announce something.

Then again perhaps it was simply so that Sunday's news had actual news in it that was new information. Part of GW's strategy might be breaking up the news so that each slot has fresh information so that you're encouraged to keep up with the site every day.

This man uses REASON! And probably MATH as well! CANCEL HIM!

 The Phazer wrote:

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

It was just boringly safe for lack of a better term. For their 2 biggest game systems they showed off as many books as new models and only revealed stuff they aim to sell anything between 7 and ~49 days later or was previously announced in some capacity.

A good example: we know for a fact Tau have a codex next year, GW confirmed that. Yet their big reveal session was basically the 2 books before it which seems... backwards.

 The Phazer wrote:

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

Personally, the dissapointement was that they didnt gave us any info on the next big release for either system. Seeing a model for the upcoming eldar or csm would have hyped me a lot more. Not to mention that the end teaser was absolutely pathetic. I was expecting them to hint at a huge releass, not some clownish christmas goblins

. But well, at the end of the day, it's no big deal

I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of content that was shown. It's a lot of stuff even if you want to parse the distinctions between AoS/WarCry/Underworlds.

My major gripe is the format. Why Adam and Eddie? Why waste the 10-15 minutes saying basically nothing about the products? "If like me you're of a certain vintage..."

They get ~20K streamers for an hour or so? Wouldn't a tighter schedule likely get more people watching a replay on YouTube?

If they're going to keep these sessions at an hour long, why not try to make the content interesting? E.g., invite the sculptors or scenery designers on to talk about what's cool in the new sets? Have the painters join and talk about how they arrived at the purple/yellow/teal scheme for the new spider guys. Have a concept artist in.

Or instead of showing box art and mini pics, have a 2-minute peek at the new Warcry band in action, or a few turns showing off the Underworld warband's coolest combo.

Basically anything. There's a lot of stuff there, but not an hour's worth. Either tighten up, or invest more in the programming.

All great suggestions Flaherty. I recall the last big Tomb Kings release GW posted some interviews with the rules writers and model designers explaining what their motives had been when coming up with certain designs etc, it was pretty interesting and I'd like to hear more about the design process especially now that Underworlds and to an extent, Warcry have introduced lots of weird and wonderful warbands and individuals that wouldn't have made it as a part of the larger AoS range.

Anyway, all old news. I've a feeling it's all going to be forgotten with the latest hotness around the corner... which should be the inevitable Christmas battleforce leaks, which are early November usually no?

 flaherty wrote:
I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of content that was shown. It's a lot of stuff even if you want to parse the distinctions between AoS/WarCry/Underworlds.

My major gripe is the format. Why Adam and Eddie? Why waste the 10-15 minutes saying basically nothing about the products? "If like me you're of a certain vintage..."

They get ~20K streamers for an hour or so? Wouldn't a tighter schedule likely get more people watching a replay on YouTube?

If they're going to keep these sessions at an hour long, why not try to make the content interesting? E.g., invite the sculptors or scenery designers on to talk about what's cool in the new sets? Have the painters join and talk about how they arrived at the purple/yellow/teal scheme for the new spider guys. Have a concept artist in.

Or instead of showing box art and mini pics, have a 2-minute peek at the new Warcry band in action, or a few turns showing off the Underworld warband's coolest combo.

Basically anything. There's a lot of stuff there, but not an hour's worth. Either tighten up, or invest more in the programming.

I think GW has some weird marketing people who genuinely think if they have Adam call everything "Incredible" enough that people will actually believe, yes, a GW staffer literally called something incredible and that means by all laws of the universe IT IS and therefore must go out and buy it.

Joyboozer wrote:
I look forward to other companies Warhammer day, featuring miniatures that aren’t AoS miniatures, but that can be used in AoS, technically making them AoS releases.

Warcry is literally branded as Warhammer age of sigmar : Warcry. Just as Kill team is branded Warhammer 40000 : killteam.

I mean I know people don't use full titles, but those 2 games are actually marked as part of the wider brands.

At the end of the day if 100 people look at all that stuff you would probably get 100 views on what was shown. It is just perception, I don't claim HBMC was wrong, he just see's it as he does; but neither are those who see it differently.