Charax wrote:
Kind of surprised we haven't seen gameplay leaks/impressions given the number of people who queued for demo games

Well looks like I spoke too soon: https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/10th-edition-gameplay-demo

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Depends on how much model support each Codex is planned to get. Marines and Nids will both get a lot as poster armies for the starter. Necrons need named characters, lokhust destroyers, and lokhust lord. Maybe Pariahs with Blackstone weapons. Admech would be new units, maybe just a character again. Dark Angels could use Belial, Sammael, and Asmodai updated. Orks need Tankbustas and 3-4 single models, past that is bonus. Custodes hopefully will get their tanks and dreadnoughts from the HH range plasticized, and a proper clampack shield captain. Tau need plastic Aun Va, Vespid, Kroot shaper, hounds, and krootox, and could really do with a redo of the kroot carnivire and devilfish hulled kits. CSM need bikers, a winged lord, and a biker lord plus could do with a terminator dark apostle and multipart obliterators.

Meh it's pointless to even consider what armies "need". An army can need a lot of things in plastic and still only get one newly invented hero for three editions in a row.

Charax wrote:

Charax wrote:
Kind of surprised we haven't seen gameplay leaks/impressions given the number of people who queued for demo games

Well looks like I spoke too soon: https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/10th-edition-gameplay-demo

There were at least two reports on Reddit about an hour after the seminar. This basically reinforces what was said by those.

Reactions to the reaction (assuming things are correct)

Blast- good. Base attacks +1 per 5 models actually makes them better against large units, and not overly punishing small units of 5/10 instead .

Overwatch- fine. Bit more tactical.

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

Engagement & consolidation- need a think on these. There's potential awkwardness that seems odd.

Desperate Escape tests- weird. As in, why try to fall back after you've failed a battleshock test? Seems an easy out unless something is missing.

Screamer-killer we already knew, because GW showed off the card.

Sergeant- doesn't actually explain anything. What wargear choices do they have?

Voss wrote:

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

Ooor it makes no sense that a mini can stand on top of a chit that's supposed to represent a control terminal or a flagpole.

You're maybe also forgetting that they don't mean you can't stand on the entire 6" neoprene circle that everyone uses to mark what's within 3" of the chit that is the actual objective?

Voss wrote:

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

I believe the idea is they want people to use actual physical 40mm objectives and not just imaginary circles printed on a pad.

Not being able to stand on the objective marker makes sense, if the objective is a big thing... which with them now being 40mm based allows players to make interesting objective markers.

Also from a game play point of view, it does mean that they are kept visible to all players. Which helps to make the game feel a bit fairer.

Blast is wonderful, nice to see something that scales in accordance to rhe unit being hit.

Billicus wrote:
The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I get a very T-Rex feel from it. I quite like it.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

I believe the idea is they want people to use actual physical 40mm objectives and not just imaginary circles printed on a pad.

Standard objective size is a good thing

Not being able to stand on objectives at least means that Titans, Knights, oversized aircraft, etc. can't physically block them out because of base size.

Seems reasonable. If you want to use a mouse pad mat, it still works, just make a 40mm circle in the middle that can't be stood on.

I don’t remember, is 40mm a new size, or the same size as the current ones?

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

11 foot is life-size for a Terminator? WTF?

Yea termies have been described 8 foot age.

Quite an armour to add 4 feet to height.

Well, marines have been "3 meters" for a while now, so an 11 foot tall Terminator sounds about right.

 AduroT wrote:
I don’t remember, is 40mm a new size, or the same size as the current ones?

Same size.


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EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

I believe the idea is they want people to use actual physical 40mm objectives and not just imaginary circles printed on a pad.

Standard objective size is a good thing

The size is still standard. It's a 40mm round circle regardless of if it's physical with something on top of it or not.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Billicus wrote:
The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I get a very T-Rex feel from it. I quite like it.

I like the profile of this new version better than the one with actual arms. The shoulders on the older model stick out too far from the body and are distracting.

I think the models in the Leviathan box are a very mixed bag. The design of some of the bids seems very confused - the Psychophage is a mess visually, which is sad considering it’s a centrepiece model. The leaper heads are also confused. And why are the Barbgaunts forced to walk around on 3 legs? Doesn’t seem very stable. The Screamer-Killer is okay, but the head is a weird shape. I really like the Neurotyrant and its sidekicks - great looking unit, and genuinely alien and menacing looking. The Winger Tyranid Prime is uninspired though - another Warrior head with a spike on top and a vampire-like pose.

For the Marines, the clear winners to me are the Termies - especially the 2 characters. The flamer unit is pretty boring though (and a bad direction in terms of Marine unit design). And the Sternguard are okay but kind of blocky and unexciting. The new Dread is a weird amalgam of the classic shooty box Dread and the leggy Redemptor design. It looks awkward (the Brutalis was much more successful). I also noticed that the lascannon on the Dread doesn’t have hollow barrels - just 2 black dots painted on. I guess it’s all moulded in one piece. I think I’ll wait for the multi-part kits for these new models.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:

Can't stand on objectives ever- dumb. Magical exclusion fields that disrupt the table make no sense.

I believe the idea is they want people to use actual physical 40mm objectives and not just imaginary circles printed on a pad.

That doesn't change anything, though. (Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you mean by 'imaginary circles')

That the official ones are just cardboard tokens (more an imaginary circle than anything else I can imagine) make that even weirder. Its just arbitrary places where models can't stand. If they made the objectives cargo pods, synaptic nodes or whatever it would at least make some sense that models can't stand on it, but that isn't the direction they went.

Asmodai wrote:Not being able to stand on objectives at least means that Titans, Knights, oversized aircraft, etc. can't physically block them out because of base size.

Physically blocking out objectives isn't difficult. Objective control has a radius, so if you have enough stuff spread around the objective , they can't be contested. Now you just have a not quite 90 mm diameter in the middle where enemies can't stand (40mm plus 24.999 on either side, since the smallest base is 25mm)

Looking at the reveled datasheets more closely, it seems the new flamer marines have "grenades" as a key word. This along with no grenades listed as a weapon suggests that grenades will work entirely differently in 10th ed.

Maybe a return to grenades providing bonuses if charging/charged rather than being ranged weapons?

Well those previews were certainly a mixed bag. Middle-Earth was an absolute nothingburger of a preview (seriously why did they even bother when all they had to show was a diorama nobody asked for or wanted), I kind of like the new Stormcast for Warcry even though I don't play that (if the models are useful in AoS I might grab them separately). But the main attraction was of course the Leviathan box set reveal, and hoo boy am I hyped now! It's gonna be a long (almost) two months. I'm already figuring out how I want to turn the Marines half into Dark Angels; I've still got plenty of little gribblies from various kits to make them cooler, and it looks like we get a decent set of decals just like the last two launch boxes (Dark Imperium and Indomitus). I was wavering on whether or not I would just buy the whole box and keep the Tyranids, but seeing the new bugs has probably sealed it; guess I'm a Tyranids player now in addition to all of my other armies. My wallet is already cringing, as I've already got too many armies (still, at this point what's one more amirite?), but it'll be a unique painting challenge for me.

Aash wrote:
Looking at the reveled datasheets more closely, it seems the new flamer marines have "grenades" as a key word. This along with no grenades listed as a weapon suggests that grenades will wok entirely differently in 10th ed.

Maybe a return to grenades providing bonuses if charging/charged rather than being ranged weapons?

Given that there is an increase in generic stratagems, I'm going to (sadly) guess that 'grenades' key a strat for an assaulting unit.

Voss wrote:

Aash wrote:
Looking at the reveled datasheets more closely, it seems the new flamer marines have "grenades" as a key word. This along with no grenades listed as a weapon suggests that grenades will wok entirely differently in 10th ed.

Maybe a return to grenades providing bonuses if charging/charged rather than being ranged weapons?

Given that there is an increase in generic stratagems, I'm going to (sadly) guess that 'grenades' key a strat for an assaulting unit.

I suspect you might be right, unfortunately. Similar to the T'au photon grenade strategem in 9th.

 Alpharius wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

11 foot is life-size for a Terminator? WTF?

Yea termies have been described 8 foot age.

Quite an armour to add 4 feet to height.

Well, marines have been "3 meters" for a while now, so an 11 foot tall Terminator sounds about right.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect at all - the last scale references I recall was the one that showed a proper Marine in armour to be 7 feet (thanks to the scale starting a 1 foot), and some information indicating Primaris Steroid Bois averaged around 8 feet. Three meters, or ~9.9 feet? That's right out.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So the roadmaps, looks like GW is expecting production capacity to double by this time next year? Seems kinda odd.

Aos been doing that sort of pace or faster just fine. Book plus hero isn't that hard.

If they can do it for aos cash cow is even more likely.

Early 9e they did 2/month pace.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So the roadmaps, looks like GW is expecting production capacity to double by this time next year? Seems kinda odd.

Aos been doing that sort of pace or faster just fine. Book plus hero isn't that hard.

If they can do it for aos cash cow is even more likely.

Early 9e they did 2/month pace.

I’m not taking it as a binding promise and it’s interesting to see how it shakes out but he did say each would come with ‘at least some new models’ and not ‘at least one new model’.

make it 2 heroes.....

saying there will be some new models and not saying there will be new units
this can mean anything, same as the "2 pages of rules"

 ImAGeek wrote:

Billicus wrote:
The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I get a very T-Rex feel from it. I quite like it.

T. rex? T. rex had functional arms, my boy here barely has working arms and longass legs, like Carnotaurus.


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40K box: Clear winners are 'Nids. That's my biologist bias here.

Clear winners are both Neuros. Tyrant reminded me that sometimes I do enjoy cosmic horror, and I loved the random marine head on it's base, but dear lord those Ngaunts look amazing, more with that Leviathan purple-pink hue. They look straight out from Tremors.

Sleeper hit are Bgaunts. I thought they were tetrapods, but no! they are strict tripods, with the gun organism being lifted by two arms, so the creature efectively only has one working arm. Reminds me a lot of Wayne Barlowe's Alien Planet.

Honorable mention to SK, that has apparently two pharynxes on the sides of the jaw.

A Dreadnought was never meant to have "arms" it has weapon slot that move up and down and a torso that moves left and right, like any other weapon platform
It just has legs to move that platform around and a single operator

At least with those legs it looks like it could move over terrain rather than being road only
Neither model is better, just different and there is a reason why you hardly see old Dread conversion with realistic legs

Yet there are conversion bits around to change the lower part that look better than this, so easy to upgrade old Dreads to new ones

Charax wrote:

Charax wrote:
Kind of surprised we haven't seen gameplay leaks/impressions given the number of people who queued for demo games

Well looks like I spoke too soon: https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/10th-edition-gameplay-demo

I had read a few comments saying (and I don't know if it was a hope rather than based on any actual rumours?) GW might finally have looked at the likes of One Page Rules and tried to make something more streamlined and quick to reference and play. These seem more like a .1 revision of the previous rules, is that correct?
Asking as someone who hasn't played since 6th edition and is completely out of the loop!

I don’t why I’ve been getting up early this weekend. It’s a long weekend. I could spend time in my pit having a lovely snooze or nap.

But I have been. So just when I thought “better check the time, don’t want to miss a stream” the first is still over an hour away. Booo,

Now, AoS? I’m expecting Dawnbringer Crusades/Cities of Sigmar.

Horus Heresy? Please….please more plastic infantry. Ideally assault infantry for Legions, because I’m a selfish Legion player. But I wouldn’t say no to plastic Solar Auxilia to greatly reduce their entry price.

So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

Scarab filler? One of the Best units necrons have had in 9e


Thats like saying bladeguard is filler.

Chikout wrote:
So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

It might be a little bit more, we got the 150 from their terms and conditions listing the value for the prize draws, offhand i don't know if VAT is included in that.

 Pacific wrote:

Charax wrote:

Charax wrote:
Kind of surprised we haven't seen gameplay leaks/impressions given the number of people who queued for demo games

Well looks like I spoke too soon: https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/10th-edition-gameplay-demo

I had read a few comments saying (and I don't know if it was a hope rather than based on any actual rumours?) GW might finally have looked at the likes of One Page Rules and tried to make something more streamlined and quick to reference and play. These seem more like a .1 revision of the previous rules, is that correct?
Asking as someone who hasn't played since 6th edition and is completely out of the loop!

To me it seems like that they are keeping what worked well (in their opinion) in 8th/9th and improved on those concepts and only explore new rules for stuff they felt wasn't working well.

Not the worst way to go forward in my opinion, but of course the lynchpin of such an approach is their ability to analyze of what is going well. But, to be fair, they quite improved in that regard in the last one or two years.

For the most part, core rules were working well, it's the codices which cause most issues in 9th.

Chikout wrote:
So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

It's:

2 combat patrols or equivalent £190 (£95 each)
Full rulebook £42.50
Crusade book £22.50
Card deck/chapter approved £19

We know the nids side has extra:
11 neurogaunts
Neurotyrant
Screamer killer

Which I'll take a collective blind stab in the dark at ~ £80 rrp

The marines "extras" seem to be:
the apothecary
dread
5 flamer dudes as a guess

Again blind stab in the dark at ~£75 rrp

So getting on for £400 of realtive value for £150 is nothing short of a steal. Even against indomitus as above it has the mission cards and a crusade expansion included, so excluding model counts and price rises it'd be a good deal in direct comparison.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

It might be a little bit more, we got the 150 from their terms and conditions listing the value for the prize draws, offhand i don't know if VAT is included in that.

If it is $250 USD, than £150 mostly fits, though the exchange rate seems to be going in the wrong direction. The stupid $1.6 per £1 that a lot of things are priced at would translate to $240, not 250.

Voss wrote:
If they made the objectives cargo pods, synaptic nodes or whatever it would at least make some sense that models can't stand on it, but that isn't the direction they went.

They did that. Twice. No one bought them.

Edit: And yes, that sort of thing is what I meant by "physical objectives".


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

It might be a little bit more, we got the 150 from their terms and conditions listing the value for the prize draws, offhand i don't know if VAT is included in that.

If it is $250 USD, than £150 mostly fits, though the exchange rate seems to be going in the wrong direction. The stupid $1.6 per £1 that a lot of things are priced at would translate to $240, not 250.

If you put £150 of product into your cart and then add the same products in the US version, it comes out to $250 exactly. Did it yesterday.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
If they made the objectives cargo pods, synaptic nodes or whatever it would at least make some sense that models can't stand on it, but that isn't the direction they went.

They did that. Twice. No one bought them.

Partly because you can't stand on them.

Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
If they made the objectives cargo pods, synaptic nodes or whatever it would at least make some sense that models can't stand on it, but that isn't the direction they went.

They did that. Twice. No one bought them.

Partly because you can't stand on them.

I even almost said that, lol.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So it's seems that Leviathan is going to be £150. In a world where gw is increasing prices I'm ok with this. There are 10 more minis in this box than Indomitus, three less filler minis (2 rippers and the terminator thing Vs 6 scarabs) and more large scale minis. Obviously I'd love for the price to be lower but I don't think the value is too bad.

It might be a little bit more, we got the 150 from their terms and conditions listing the value for the prize draws, offhand i don't know if VAT is included in that.

For previous competitions the given GBP value has included VAT. For example Sisters squad runner up prizes were listed at £35 each in the T&Cs, and released with that as the RRP.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
If they made the objectives cargo pods, synaptic nodes or whatever it would at least make some sense that models can't stand on it, but that isn't the direction they went.

They did that. Twice. No one bought them.

Partly because you can't stand on them.

I even almost said that, lol.

I was going to say the same.

And also add that now you can't stand on them, I'm interested in GW putting out faction specific or terrain specific sets for me to buy. Which I'll then decide are too expensive and convert my own.

Seven minutes to AoS. Now is the time to make a cuppa.

Oh good I messed up the time zones. Time to reschedule lunch for the second time today.

It's live!

It is time!

Doubt anyone will need it, but link to the stream to be helpful.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Well those are nice.

Oh now those Knights I really like!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Doubt anyone will need it, but link to the stream to be helpful.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

I had the problem yesterday with WarCom but it looks like allowing their cookies solved it.

I’d say the proportions on those is about perfect.

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Not show book. Show models.

I like only the one with the flail. Just like with their infantry shown there is nothing exciting for me there.

The marginalia snail on human legs with a unicorn horn tho

I continue to be underwhelmed by the redesign for Cities.

Nice butt flap!

Very nice model.

New hero for Fyreslayers, really?

Wow. A good looking fyreslayer

Nurgle Knight is superb. Lovely redo of one of my favourite Chaos models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nurgle Knight is superb.

Agreed 100%

Incredible model. Much nicer glow up than the new chaos lord on daemonic steed

Yay Gobbo! Fantastic model, and one I’d actually paint.

Getting the Nurgle Lord and the Gobbo for sure.

Flying squigs!

Eh. They just recycled the squig skull from the scaremonger and added some flying squigs. Feels more like a cool conversion rather than a new model

Nice ghoul herald too

Flesheater Courts impress again.

Just…give them an updated Ghoul kit too. Bit of tattered finery, or scraps of furs etc.

Ghoul Herald is awesome. Now give me new Crypt Ghouls!

So here's our lead into the new edition.

YES!

That Maw-Grunta is amazing!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
YES!

That Maw-Grunta is amazing!

-1 point because they did not include the classic Forgeworld/WHFB 'running away guy' in the scale shot

Fyreslayers getting another foot character feels almost mocking at this point. Looking at 1d4chan, they currently have 11 character scrolls and 3 unit scrolls.

Giant pig is so cool!

That was a good one, definitely better than yesterday.

Pretty short and sweet overall, but liked what they showed off.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Fyreslayers getting another foot character feels almost mocking at this point. Looking at 1d4chan, they currently have 11 character scrolls and 3 unit scrolls.

Yeah, either there is some hidden release for them or they do not care.

Need that Nurgle Lord for WHFB, need the Ghoul, and definitely need a couple Big Pigs.

That’s it then? Feels like they’ve spread one decent preview show over 3 days again.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Giant pig is so cool!

It is, i just wish they'd stop with the stupid 'sidecars' on everything - it looks like He-Man toys in my mind instantly, and IMHO is a dumb/cheap way to bulk up models artificially without using too much sprue space for actual bulk. It's fine for some models, but it gets repetitive very fast, and at worst you'll get something like that Beast Snagga abomination from 40k...

The worst thing about the big pig is it makes the current gore-gruntas look awful.

Looks like a solid year for AoS with a major army refresh, a full new army and even some crumbs for FEC!

Peppa Pig is amazeballs, I hope you can build it without crew.

Shame about heroes being paywalled in bundle boxes, especially the outrageously bad Gloomspite box.

There’s a piggy? I wish they’d post the previews on the warcom site as soon as the reveals are over

 ImAGeek wrote:
The worst thing about the big pig is it makes the current gore-gruntas look awful.

They always looked bad tbf.

 GaroRobe wrote:
There’s a piggy? I wish they’d post the previews on the warcom site as soon as the reveals are over

Check out TGA ; they've got screenshots up (courtesy of TGA user Matrindur) :

https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?&page=4123#comments

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Giant pig is so cool!

It is, i just wish they'd stop with the stupid 'sidecars' on everything - it looks like He-Man toys in my mind instantly, and IMHO is a dumb/cheap way to bulk up models artificially without using too much sprue space for actual bulk. It's fine for some models, but it gets repetitive very fast, and at worst you'll get something like that Beast Snagga abomination from 40k...

Do you mean Kill Rig? It is really an awful model.

Here is the pig

That’s a nice pig alright. Is that an ard boy or brute on the side? If it’s the latter, I wish more had those face masks. I’ve been hoping for an ironjawz model that I can proxy in the trampla squig for and this is it

Roll on 2pm. I want to feast my peepers on Heresy goodness.

So 25 minutes for AOS, now I dread how long it will be for HH/Old World.

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s a nice pig alright. Is that an ard boy or brute on the side? If it’s the latter, I wish more had those face masks. I’ve been hoping for an ironjawz model that I can proxy in the trampla squig for and this is it

Apparently bigger then Stegadon.

Some really weird proportions on those CoS horses and the Nurgle hero mount.

Do AoS horses not graze? Is AoS grass really, REALLY tall?

Hopefully HH will be more than just the Cthonia campaign characters. Though if they’re plastic, I’ll take them.

HH gonna be two resin heroes and a roadmap that's just blank until 2024

 Sotahullu wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s a nice pig alright. Is that an ard boy or brute on the side? If it’s the latter, I wish more had those face masks. I’ve been hoping for an ironjawz model that I can proxy in the trampla squig for and this is it

Apparently bigger then Stegadon.

Lorewise or model wise? I thought Stegadon models were fairly small, given the age of the kit. The trampla squig from the 40k kill rig should be big enough for at least the rider, if not his crew

 lord_blackfang wrote:
HH gonna be two resin heroes and a roadmap that's just blank until 2024

Followed by TOW being more art and 3d rendered arms and head.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So 25 minutes for AOS, now I dread how long it will be for HH/Old World.

Judging how it's half an hour and than a half hour Q&A, you've got about 8 minutes to allow for stuttering, ums, ahs and oh that's cool's.

Old WHFB monsters are startingly small compared to AoS stuff.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Sotahullu wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s a nice pig alright. Is that an ard boy or brute on the side? If it’s the latter, I wish more had those face masks. I’ve been hoping for an ironjawz model that I can proxy in the trampla squig for and this is it

Apparently bigger then Stegadon.

Lorewise or model wise? I thought Stegadon models were fairly small, given the age of the kit. The trampla squig from the 40k kill rig should be big enough for at least the rider, if not his crew

Model wise. And yeah, those are Brutes with a Big Boss on top.

JSG wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The worst thing about the big pig is it makes the current gore-gruntas look awful.

They always looked bad tbf.

True but now there’s a much better example of the same idea in the same army.

Even better looking one!

Yeah, those sidecars have to go. What a way to ruin an otherwise great model.

Boss Hog looks amazing. Really brutal.

What's going on with that weird walking snail unicorn on the base of the CoS Cavalier champion? It has shoes on, so I assume its not just zany fauna of the mortal realms. I could see it being on the base of some chaos warriors, or gloomspite, but for an order character, it's just seems very random to include.

The helmets, when you snip off bits like the gate, are very cool. There's a very "empire" feel to them, like they're straight from old empire artwork (or Blanche, more likely)

The banner is weird though. I don't think its blowing the right way, given that his horse his moving. If you swap the horse with the champion's, so that its rearing up, then I think it'll work better

The mounted Nurgle guy is really really excellent though. Really impressed with that and the CoS cavalry.

 GaroRobe wrote:
What's going on with that weird walking snail unicorn on the base of the CoS Cavalier champion? It has shoes on, so I assume its not just zany fauna of the mortal realms. I could see it being on the base of some chaos warriors, or gloomspite, but for an order character, it's just seems very random to include.

The helmets, when you snip off bits like the gate, are very cool. There's a very "empire" feel to them, like they're straight from old empire artwork (or Blanche, more likely)

The banner is weird though. I don't think its blowing the right way, given that his horse his moving. If you swap the horse with the champion's, so that its rearing up, then I think it'll work better

Nods to Heironymous Bosch, who is a clear influence on John Blanche.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, those sidecars have to go. What a way to ruin an otherwise great model.

I think for me the issue is how static the orruks are on the side. If they'd had both feet steady but then holding on with the arm nearest the boar and then one arm holding a weapon that would have worked. It's the static "standing" pose that they've got going on that bothers me a little. Because a boar running over rough terrain isn't smooth like a car over smooth road surfaces. I get the idea and I think its awesome, but they should have had them holding on with one arm to brace against the boar. Then they'd have looked really tough holding their two armed weapons in one arm!





The nurgle mount is freaking utterly awesome and almost makes me want to own it just for itself (and I say that as someone who owns nothing in Nurgle)

New silhouette teaser for Heresy and Old World.

Heresy looks to be a Terminator….and a Knight. The one with the Lance and Shield.

They are nice but only 5 miniatures and a unit for AOS? That's disappointing...

The Nurgle Harbinger remake is stellar, even has some build options it seems.

 BertBert wrote:
The Nurgle Harbinger remake is stellar.

I think it might be best model revealed this event- and I say that as a non-nurgle fan and a big Tyranid fan.

Everything has been fantastic so far but that Nurgle mount just really steals the show. I bet that's going to be a really really popular selling model

 ImAGeek wrote:
That’s it then? Feels like they’ve spread one decent preview show over 3 days again.

That's it for AOS, but there is still the preview for HH & TOW today, and one for Kill Team tomorrow.

The absolute winner here is the Lord of Nurgle. Close second is The Entire Hog. Those were 5 out of the 12 new models promised for the existing factions, unless you also count the crusaders, which doesn't hype me at all. But they do be looking better then Bretonnia.

Let's see what the TOW preview has in store for us.

Can't wait for the HH one to have another tank or book.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Incredible model. Much nicer glow up than the new chaos lord on daemonic steed

At long last, I found the one person who's not into nü-CLoDM

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Some really weird proportions on those CoS horses and the Nurgle hero mount.

Do AoS horses not graze? Is AoS grass really, REALLY tall?

That's not how biology works.

I was excited for the Sigmar Knights at first, but when I got a chance to really look at them, I was completely turned off. Way too many doo-dads, and the two banners are fluttering in the wrong direction.

Is it really too hard to make a nice, clean unit of Knights?

I was hoping for Pestigors, but the new Harbinger model looks pretty cool.

As I mentioned, then remembered screen grabs are a thing.

Definetly tomb king in the middle

Fair play those new Empire Knights are extremely good. Very impressive, will be fun to convert up for Warhammer Old World for Marienburg knights.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I mentioned, then remembered screen grabs are a thing.

Terminator is for sure the named Imperial Fist here

Ah nuts, plastic cerastus will be tempting.

Don't give me hope on plastic Cerastus Knights...

 Qcbob wrote:
Definetly tomb king in the middle

I forgot that this is also The Old World reveal, and was so confused at first

The cavalry is, overloaded with a lot of details that make them long odd

the design is consistent among all of them and I guess it fits with the other over the top AoS models
but they are not for me, even with a fantasy theme, mixing every cavalry cliche into one model no matter if it fits is too much

 Olthannon wrote:
Fair play those new Empire Knights are extremely good. Very impressive, will be fun to convert up for Warhammer Old World for Marienburg knights.

They styled each one a bit like the various religious, non-Sigmar-affiliated knights from the Old world; there's a knight of Taal (Stag), one of Morr (Skull), one of Ulric (Wolf) and one that could be either a Panther knight or a Knight of Verena.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Fair play those new Empire Knights are extremely good. Very impressive, will be fun to convert up for Warhammer Old World for Marienburg knights.

They styled each one a bit like the various religious, non-Sigmar-affiliated knights from the Old world; there's a knight of Taal (Stag), one of Morr (Skull), one of Ulric (Wolf) and one that could be either a Panther knight or a Knight of Verena.

That's a good catch. I'm glad they did that, and didn't go with the weird lore they teased for Cities, like the people that worship wheels for some reason?

 Platuan4th wrote:
Don't give me hope on plastic Cerastus Knights...

Literally no other reason I can think of for a lancer to be in a preview, engage hopium.

So who had Plastic Cerastus Knight before plastic Assault Marines?

Smells like someone decided to axe 3-4 plastic Heresy units from being made so they could cram a big 40k-centric seller into HH production slots.

I like the approach with the Calvaliers, as they have elements I’d associate with Empire Knights (baroque armour) and Bretonnian Knights (individual rather than Order heraldry).

I look forward to see the full kit, as I want to get a sense of what options there are.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I mentioned, then remembered screen grabs are a thing.

Plastic Cerastus instead of another tank?

 GaroRobe wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Fair play those new Empire Knights are extremely good. Very impressive, will be fun to convert up for Warhammer Old World for Marienburg knights.

They styled each one a bit like the various religious, non-Sigmar-affiliated knights from the Old world; there's a knight of Taal (Stag), one of Morr (Skull), one of Ulric (Wolf) and one that could be either a Panther knight or a Knight of Verena.

That's a good catch. I'm glad they did that, and didn't go with the weird lore they teased for Cities, like the people that worship wheels for some reason?

It's a nice mix of visuals for the new Cities of Sigmar faction, like the framed heraldic devices on the shields, and old bits and pieces that sort of work like an easter egg for those in the know, mostly on the personal heraldry and in the choice of weapons. Gives a nod to the grognards without sticking out too much, i quite like it.

I’d take a plastic Cerastus. For where there is one chassis, we can expect additional weapons.

Even if those additional weapons remain as Resin options, just the body being plastic, and so far easier to assemble, is enough for me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So who had Plastic Cerastus Knight before plastic Assault Marines?

Smells like someone decided to axe 3-4 plastic Heresy units from being made so they could cram a big 40k-centric seller into HH production slots.

Sums it up I think.

They put Cerastus in 40k Knights codex and sell 3 to HH players and half a million to 40k players, job's a good 'un, we've funneled 6 sprues worth of 40k tooling into HH budget

Sorry, bit out of the loop at the moment. How long until the Heresy reveals?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They put Cerastus in 40k Knights codex and sell 3 to HH players and half a million to 40k players, job's a good 'un, we've funneled 6 sprues worth of 40k tooling into HH budget

Maybe they're Epic scale

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They put Cerastus in 40k Knights codex and sell 3 to HH players and half a million to 40k players, job's a good 'un, we've funneled 6 sprues worth of 40k tooling into HH budget

Maybe they're Epic scale

They already exist for Adeptus Titanicus.


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 Snrub wrote:
Sorry, bit out of the loop at the moment. How long until the Heresy reveals?

22 minutes.

 Snrub wrote:
Sorry, bit out of the loop at the moment. How long until the Heresy reveals?

At the moment I'm replying you, less like 22~ minutes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
22 minutes.

 CMLR wrote:
At the moment I'm replying you, less like 22~ minutes.

Cheers!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
They put Cerastus in 40k Knights codex and sell 3 to HH players and half a million to 40k players, job's a good 'un, we've funneled 6 sprues worth of 40k tooling into HH budget

Maybe they're Epic scale

They already exist for Adeptus Titanicus.


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 Snrub wrote:
Sorry, bit out of the loop at the moment. How long until the Heresy reveals?

22 minutes.

I know that, i'm just teasing

I hope they show at least a roadmap, preferably with Assault Marines marked on it, two characters with one being known already and knights is a bit thin otherwise. That being said, with how dissappointing anything but 40k has been so far i'd not be surprised if this is all we get. TOW better blows it out of the water, but i don't think so.

what use is a gw roadmap?
The last one for HH was utterly pointless.
A lack of dates doesn't make it better.

Not Online!!! wrote:
what use is a gw roadmap?
The last one for HH was utterly pointless.
A lack of dates doesn't make it better.

For HH probably less so than for other games, but at least it's a statement of intent to support the game over the duration covered.

Knight has legs so does it technically count for the "we hear you, more infantry is coming"

Here’s the stream link again, as ever just in case.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

LIVE

We live


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Or not...

Love that new Tomb King model.

So that's the brets vs. tk starter confirmed I guess?

feth yeah, now that is an knight!

Nice models. Looks like they grew to AoS size tho.

Does the paladin have condoms on his lantern?

 Sotahullu wrote:
feth yeah, now that is an knight!

A perfect thrall for my Lahmia

Ahaha they're resin. DOA.

Mix of returning kits, new plastic and new resin kits for each faction.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ahaha they're resin. DOA.

Yep. Autopass.

Thousand Sons rejoice, you now have more bits to pilfer from.

I love both, though I'm not sure if I like the mummy's head.

Resin...

 BertBert wrote:
So that's the brets vs. tk starter confirmed I guess?

Not yet confirmed

I like the models but resin, really GW?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Does the paladin have condoms on his lantern?

Divine protection

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mix of returning kits, new plastic and new resin kits for each faction.

returning kits was very interesting, WHFB had some amazing plastic kits towards the end (the multipart skellies and zombies are still classics). will be interesting to see what comes back

A moment of silence to anyone who bought scalper priced tomb kings off ebay, since eventually some of the kits will be back (it has to be the necrosphynx)

EDIT: Yep, its coming back. WOOOOOOOOOo

Cerastus!

Two models and no really new news.

A great disappointment.

Was hoping for a release date or starter set even.

PLASTIC CERASTUS DEAR LORD

Two Resin kits and some bits of art - does not look like we'll see even a token release to fit in the '40th anniversary' year...

PLASTIC

I like the helmet of SoH hero.

Congrats to 40k Knight players for hijacking 3 months worth of HH releases for that I guess.

Ok the Bret and Tomb King are pretty bloody awful. Even discarding them being resin

Did they confirm that the two HH characters are resin?

Loyalist TSon, awesome!

 GaroRobe wrote:
Did they confirm that the two HH characters are resin?

Didn't catch anything but if you look at the cape on the IF its resin thickness so both should be resin

I like that traitor marine design, you can see its starting to take on elements of later CSM aesthetics, the brass edging, the round studs becoming spiky, etc. its clearly a transitional type as the "classic" chaos vibe sets in.

Does the panel of commentators makes you sleepy too? XD XD

The Lord of War will probably be the Fellblade variants

Assault SM!

Resin chars are a major letdown, but the two new sculpts are great. I hope they'll
have a solid QA/return process in place.

The meme is dead!

Just to remind people resin does NOT mean finecast.

Of couse I spent $20 on Dominion Zephon's backpack for nothing

Teaser for new plastic MKIII and Deredeo

and Assault Squad

EPIC TEASED!

Yep, I’ll take that.

EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC

yeah...that's definitely Epic

Sucks that we don't get a stream of the half hour long Q&A

And a teaser for Epic at the end

MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

I hate to be that guy but

TOLD YOU IT MIGHT HAPPEN

Love the Old World releases, can't wait to sink my teeth into them.

 Matrindur wrote:
Teaser for new plastic MKII and Deredeo

Thats Mk3 Armour...

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

It's almost certainly going to start that way (& titans). Which, to be fair, is exactly how Epic started too

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

RazorEdge wrote:


Thats Mk3 Armour...

Yea sorry missed a "I" there

 Platuan4th wrote:
Don't give me hope on plastic Cerastus Knights...

I will lose my mind if they release those. So cool.

Dang. Now I don't know what I want to do with my heresy stuff. I already have some MK 6s I was going to convert up, but now I can just wait for a few months to get official models...

"Command Legions" can only mean Epic. My Epic nostalgia is for Epic 40,000 though so my excitement is somewhat tempered.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Don't give me hope on plastic Cerastus Knights...

I will lose my mind if they release those. So cool.

They’ve literally just previewed the Lancer.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

Happens when there's so much awesome shown.

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

It'll be HH Epic to start out, just like the original. But that does at least make it easier to branch out into more AdMech, Imperial Army, and Chaos stuff for a while before xenos.

Gimme Banelords and Ordinatus engines!

Why Mk3?

Charax wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

It's almost certainly going to start that way (& titans). Which, to be fair, is exactly how Epic started too

I mean true, but that's going back to the 80s
Heck my into to wargaming was Titan Legions and even by then it was Orks VS Imperials in the boxed set.

It might at least explain why the AT release have been so sparring as of late - I can still hope that we see it a true Imperial VS Chaos release

Billicus wrote:
"Command Legions" can only mean Epic. My Epic nostalgia is for Epic 40,000 though so my excitement is somewhat tempered.

Or it's a troll about the Legion Command Squad...

 Matrindur wrote:
The Lord of War will probably be the Fellblade variants

Jesus. Winter before another squad appears. That's just brutal.

 Overread wrote:
Just to remind people resin does NOT mean finecast.

But still I don't think we all want base heroes from FW (War-Com article up, quote, "Our first two new models from Warhammer: The Old World are a Tomb King from Nehekhara and a Bretonnian Paladin. They’re both resin models, and they’re the first of many we’ll see before the game is out. New models for the game will be released in Citadel plastic and Forge World resin, and they’ll join a whole range of resurrected and revitalised miniatures from prior editions of Warhammer Fantasy Battles – in plastic, resin, and metal – to make satisfyingly varied armies.").

I'm more interested what the 'mystery army' is supposed to be...

Logic says it should be either Mechanicum or some sort of Imperial Army force, which probably means it will be Beastmen or old-style Squats instead...

So Autumn's Dread is Deredeo and MK is III. Now we can start to speculate which LoW will get the plastic treatment. My bet is Fellblade.

Tsagualsa wrote:
I'm more interested what the 'mystery army' is supposed to be...

Logic says it should be either Mechanicum or some sort of Imperial Army force, which probably means it will be Beastmen or old-style Squats instead...

Probably (and hopefully) Mechanicum. They have the most extensive range after marines I think. I would take Solar Auxilia, but I think that’s a lot less likely.

 ImAGeek wrote:


Probably (and hopefully) Mechanicum. They have the most extensive range after marines I think. I would take Solar Auxilia, but I think that’s a lot less likely.

Dark Mechanicum, just to troll the Loyalists and 40k ones

Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

 stahly wrote:
Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

Hmm, MKIII troops + Deredeo + Fellblade + some Assault ones?

Oof. The first two new things for TOW are resin characters. That's disappointing. They look great, but I am not dealing with Foregeworld nonsense.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

Hmm, MKIII troops + Deredeo + Fellblade + some Assault ones?

They specified on the stream that there were non-marine releases coming, it makes sense for the mystery army release to be that (as everything else is marine related).

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

Hmm, MKIII troops + Deredeo + Fellblade + some Assault ones?

I think if there'd be a Fellblade, they would have teased it in the road map. They also just updated the resin kit to take the plastic sponsons. I guess they'd rather put in some of the many tank kits, the Age of Darkness box also had some old Cataphractii to bolster out the contents.

Edit: Lords of War could be a Fellblade, thinking about it.

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

That's what 'Epic' originally started out as. The HH allowed them to have marines and titans using the same sprues for both sides. Im sure theyll add some Xenos and perhaps expand out to a more current 40k setting at a later date if it proves popular

RazorEdge wrote:
Why Mk3?

It's objectively the best armor mark. Therefore it needs to happen. Therefore it happens. It's hardly a mystery.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Oof. The first two new things for TOW are resin characters. That's disappointing. They look great, but I am not dealing with Foregeworld nonsense.

From the Tomb Kings perspective it doesn't bother me that the characters are resin. You can get a plastic Tomb King in the Necrosphinx kit. So at least a plastic version is already available. I'd rather if Forge World's plastic budget is limited, character models are done in resin while we get core units like new Skeletons and Ushabti in plastic. Not that we know or it is in any way guaranteed, of course.

Sucks a bit more for Bretonnian fans, I guess.

The winter timing for a new HH plastic army ties in nicely with the Winter Admech release which could mean a bunch of plastic Mechanicus stuff that can also be taken in 40k. Having Ad Mech so early is odd, but that would make more sense for bringing them forward.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

Happens when there's so much awesome shown.

Nurgle lord aside, where'd you get to see awesome? I just got a bunch of roadmaps (and the AoS one was real bad) and a small grab-bag of random figures. Day 1 sapped what little energy they had, apparently. Day 2 is a vague promise that things will be better later in the year.

RazorEdge wrote:
Why Mk3?

Would have preferred MkII or MkV myself.

I image it's because it's fitting/could be reused (with a different arm/shield sprue) if/when they decide to do Breachers..

EDIT : notice how the Phobos-pattern boltguns now have rounded foregrips ? Those would slot perfectly in a Fafnir Rann-style shield.

EDIT 2 : and knowing GW, they'll probably make a future (hypothetical) Breacher upgrade kit in resin..

Voss wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

Happens when there's so much awesome shown.

Nurgle lord aside, where'd you get to see awesome? I just got a bunch of roadmaps (and the AoS one was real bad) and a small grab-bag of random figures. Day 1 sapped what little energy they had, apparently. Day 2 is a vague promise that things will be better later in the year.

The first half of Day 1 at that. The second preview was pants.

That said, I personally found the 30k one exciting, although it wasn’t especially packed.

Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

 Dysartes wrote:
Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

They deliberately mentioned the eye of Horus bit at a point I wasn’t paying 100% attention, but I presume it was to say there were different options. Would be weird to just have the eye of Horus, especially when that detail has been optional on everything else.

 Dysartes wrote:
Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

It was mentioned in the context of the kit having multiple options, so unless it's a whole separate top piece just for the eye I imagine it'll be separate like on the vehicle accessory sprue

Phew - that being a fixed piece would've made me have second thoughts about picking one of those up at some point

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

Fine to start with but I hope they move on and give it a wide array of factions rather than endless variants of human factions.

The resin Old World models.. hmm expected but I'm not wild about it. Nice to see though that some stuff is coming back in metal - there's a few dwarf characters I'd like to get.

Thought the AoS stuff looked great - some cracking models.

Overall I thought for the 40th anniversary of Warhammer this was a little sparse - more art, more lore chats/chats with designers, concepts would have been good and filled things out a good bit. The road maps are a very welcome addition though.

While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

I think this is good news in terms of MkIV getting updated at some point though.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

I think this is good news in terms of MkIV getting updated at some point though.

FWIW, one of the art slides had a MkIV Imperial Fist on the left

I'm still not convinced it is EPIC. It could be a new video game, card game, board game, etc.

Time will tell.

Dont video games get their own event?

SamusDrake wrote:
Dont video games get their own event?

Not sure, but they have been previewing a new video game at this event.

The YouTube video title is battle on a new scale. It's Epic.

It could also be "Apoc" rules for Horus Heresy.


I think there's enough feelers out there that GW knows Epic is on people's mind and is currently the buzz word floating around. Leaving a hint like that that isn't connected to Epic would be trolling and trolling communities is often very ill advised unless its April 1st (and even then there's limits).


Yes it could mean something else and if it does I'd hope GW wouldbe fast to release some kind of confirmation/follow-up very fast otherwise they've got weeks/months of people being convinced Epic is coming and hype building.
You do NOT want that if your actual product is something else entirely.

Heck who recalls when Blizzard hyped up their Blizcon and their Diablo 3 market and sprung a "ok we've no new core game content at all, but we've got a mobile game for you"

Oh, what was the game? I must have overlooked it...


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 Overread wrote:


Heck who recalls when Blizzard hyped up their Blizcon and their Diablo 3 market and sprung a "ok we've no new core game content at all, but we've got a mobile game for you"

That legend will NEVER die...

The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Charax wrote:

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Corporate 'mysteries' are never subtle, at least not for mass-market things like this. It's exactly as 'mysterious' as it needs to be for every last numbnut to figure it out and feel good about themselves (my go-to example: the 'mystery' about who was the baddy in the MTG set Shadows over Innistrad) - intelligent people often fall into the trap of overthinking it, or retroactively justifying their foregone conclusions by convincing themselves with complex arguments. Because they can, being intelligent makes that comparatively easy

Tsagualsa wrote:

Charax wrote:

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Corporate 'mysteries' are never subtle, at least not for mass-market things like this. It's exactly as 'mysterious' as it needs to be for every last numbnut to figure it out and feel good about themselves (my go-to example: the 'mystery' about who was the baddy in the MTG set Shadows over Innistrad) - intelligent people often fall into the trap of overthinking it, or retroactively justifying their foregone conclusions by convincing themselves with complex arguments. Because they can, being intelligent makes that comparatively easy

Like how early on the only image we had of Old World was a regular 28/32mm scale square base and a few people were arguing that it was going to be Warmaster scale or how round bases would be the norm and such

People and groups of people (the mob?) can easily take limited clear info and twist and turn it when they are left with only that info. One person posts ahope; another interprets it as a theory and before you know it you've 20 pages arguing over it

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

The real worry is development will drag on for years and then when it comes time to actually show it off, there will just be a muddled mess.
Such is fate.

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Epic never stood on the toes of Adeptus Titanicus, AT has always been much more granular and detailed than any version of Epic, doing away with things like heat management (there was an exception for the Imperator, because it was a single model)

As with most games, the fewer units that are in a battle, the more individually detailed the rules can be. AT only has a few units per side, so it can be hyperdetailed. Epic has more units, so the detail is pulled back. both can coexist - and have, every other time the two rulesets have been released

 stonehorse wrote:

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Would Horus Heresy Board Game players be interested in "battling in a new scale"? Seems like a strange thing to highlight in a teaser.

The square bases, the long stick bases, the fact that they're specifically calling out Lords of War and Titan legions... literally every single detail points to Epic 30k.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

Hmm, MKIII troops + Deredeo + Fellblade + some Assault ones?

They specified on the stream that there were non-marine releases coming, it makes sense for the mystery army release to be that (as everything else is marine related).

I'm going to put 500 quatloos on Squats being the mystery army.

 stonehorse wrote:

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Not really. Epic doesn't compete with hh. Different people, dlfferent tastes. Gw in 2000's was idiot thinking just because they drop non-40k/fb every pound spent on other games would go to those.

They were wrong. It just meant they miss on money they could have got otherwise.

Mystery Lord of Wars, plural. Low chance of the Felblade/Glaive, high chance for Cerastus Acheron and Castigator. One new sprue for arms, shoulders and face for each to Cerastus hull sprues.

These galaxy brain takes trying to refute the very obvious epic confirmation are peak internet

artific3r wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Would Horus Heresy Board Game players be interested in "battling in a new scale"? Seems like a strange thing to highlight in a teaser.

The square bases, the long stick bases, the fact that they're specifically calling out Lords of War and Titan legions... literally every single detail points to Epic 30k.

What do you mean Horus Heresy Board gamers? That game had been out of print for decades!

If this alludes to a modern version of the old game it will have huge appeal to both miniature gamers who play GW games, and Boardgamers who play wargames. Look at how well the FFG games with the GW IP sold. They are a great way to expand the reach of the GW hobby. A lot of people who like the setting can't always play the various miniatures games for many reasons. A boardgame (which has a lower time and monetary investment) could be the thing that gets them. GW are always looking at ways to sell their very attractive IP, hence the sheer glut of none miniatures related paraphernalia we see.

Seeing as the original game has been unobtainable for such long time and the only table top games for Horus Heresy is with large models, using cardboard chits or something similar will be a whole new scale, also slthe 'whole new scale' could reference the scope of the game/engagement. The old Horus Heresy boardgame was about the war of Terra, so was very much about commanding legions and such.

Calling out things that are part of the Horus Heresy setting doesn't immediately say, Epic.

Your points all seem very speculative drawn from little evidence.

What we know is that GW are releasing something to do with the Horus Heresy and you can command Legion's.

If I am wrong and it is Epic Horus Heresy, I'll be very happy.

Care to make a bet?

It's epic:hh so obviously i consider bet as print money

Gw isn't subtle. They are firing it with 152mm howizer

Fun thing with new Epic?

Keeping it within that era?

Ullanor.

The very fightiest fight that ever fighted in the history of being fighty ever. With the very fightiest Orks.

tneva82 wrote:
Care to make a bet?

It's epic:hh so obviously i consider bet as print money

Gw isn't subtle. They are firing it with 152mm howizer

Care to show concrete evidence that it is Epic?

So far all we have is speculation about a very short video posted by GW.

Look, I know there is a massive love for Epic (which includes me), but hope can lead to disappointment. There is no point racing off with jubilant calls that Epic is back, when we have nothing to go on. Let us wait and see what it is. Because, right now as it stands it could be a lot of things.

 stonehorse wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Care to make a bet?

It's epic:hh so obviously i consider bet as print money

Gw isn't subtle. They are firing it with 152mm howizer

Care to show concrete evidence that it is Epic?

So far all we have is speculation about a very short video posted by GW.

Look, I know there is a massive love for Epic (which includes me), but hope can lead to disappointment. There is no point racingnoff with jubilant calls that Epic is back, when have nothing to go on. Let us wait and see what it is. Because, right now as it stands it could be a lot of things.

It’s….it’s no good….I feel the change coming on again…..nnrnrrrrrryyaaaaarrrrgh



Not only are we promised “War on a New Scale”, but look at the video. Then, if like me you have the privilege of owning old books or WD which featured 2nd Ed Space Marine and Titan Legions?

Regard the layout.



It’s….it’s Epic. All signs point to Epic. And I for one am super hype.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Care to make a bet?

It's epic:hh so obviously i consider bet as print money

Gw isn't subtle. They are firing it with 152mm howizer

Care to show concrete evidence that it is Epic?

So far all we have is speculation about a very short video posted by GW.

Look, I know there is a massive love for Epic (which includes me), but hope can lead to disappointment. There is no point racingnoff with jubilant calls that Epic is back, when have nothing to go on. Let us wait and see what it is. Because, right now as it stands it could be a lot of things.

It’s….it’s no good….I feel the change coming on again…..nnrnrrrrrryyaaaaarrrrgh



Not only are we promised “War on a New Scale”, but look at the video. Then, if like me you have the privilege of owning old books or WD which featured 2nd Ed Space Marine and Titan Legions?

Regard the layout.



It’s….it’s Epic. All signs point to Epic. And I for one am super hype.

I played Epic back in those days (fellow old git here), GW used pretty much the same square/Rectangle for a lot of their battle reports back then. Also note all the Circles used... which are absent from the video. Of people are using those shapes as proof, then the omission of the circles could also point to something else.

I want it to be Epic, I'm just not seeing anything that says Epic other than speculation from those who (like myself) want to see Epic return.

It’s clearly Epic.

Set during Heresy. ‘New Scale’. Command Legions.

Now. It may not be Epic quite as we know it, especially if they keep the Adeptus Titanicus models as the base scale (and I can’t see why they wouldn’t). But all of that positively screams Epic is making a return.

Well true 6mm scale works in epic just fine

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s clearly Epic.

Set during Heresy. ‘New Scale’. Command Legions.

Now. It may not be Epic quite as we know it, especially if they keep the Adeptus Titanicus models as the base scale (and I can’t see why they wouldn’t). But all of that positively screams Epic is making a return.

Between HH Epic being alongside other rumours that came true, and the recently censored WarCom AT article, I'm not sure what anyone else thinks this teaser could possibly be.

We're quite a way beyond 'speculation' at this point.

 xttz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s clearly Epic.

Set during Heresy. ‘New Scale’. Command Legions.

Now. It may not be Epic quite as we know it, especially if they keep the Adeptus Titanicus models as the base scale (and I can’t see why they wouldn’t). But all of that positively screams Epic is making a return.

Between HH Epic being alongside other rumours that came true, and the recently censored WarCom AT article, I'm not sure what anyone else thinks this teaser could possibly be.

We're quite a way beyond 'speculation' at this point.

Yeah, we have literally everything but a official, word-for-word confirmation, but the mountain of circumstancial evidence is really hard to ignore. It contains teasers, unintentional stuff like the Titan bases, word from reliable rumourmongers... if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and so on.

Epic has been on everyone's mind since Aeronautica. It would be a bait and switch of incredible proportions for this not to be Epic.

Honestly, as a marketing device, this teaser absolutely nailed it. We're all talking about Epic now, but there is just enough ambiguity for it to be something else, which draws out the conversation. Keeps everyone talking.

If it isn't Epic, they screwed up, badly.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s clearly Epic.

Set during Heresy. ‘New Scale’. Command Legions.

Now. It may not be Epic quite as we know it, especially if they keep the Adeptus Titanicus models as the base scale (and I can’t see why they wouldn’t). But all of that positively screams Epic is making a return.

People clearly want it to be Epic, as it is now we have very little to go on

The current Horus Heresy game is scheduled to get assault Marines 2 years after initial release. Yet people are insisting that GW are going to launch a whole new game with a whole new scale of miniatures (6-8mm). They are already stretched as it, and very little of their product range sits outside of 28mm heroic scale.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a game format for Apocalypse scale games in the Horus Heresy setting.

There's no point discussing it. We should just WaIt AnD SeE if it's Epic when it comes out.

Well when I’m right?

You’ll all owe me £5 each.

Probably.

It’s not like I’ll remember, or even be able to legally enforce that debt I just invented.

But I’m gonna be super hype when it does come back, because I’ve got most of the existing rules lurking under my bed, just waiting for their time in the sun.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well when I’m right?

You’ll all owe me £5 each.

Probably.

It’s not like I’ll remember, or even be able to legally enforce that debt I just invented.

But I’m gonna be super hype when it does come back, because I’ve got most of the existing rules lurking under my bed, just waiting for their time in the sun.

Haha, I like your style.

If it is Epic, I think it is safe to say that all previous material will be not be compatible with it. Look at what happened to Aeronautica Imperialis,and more recently the news that WFB will go from 20mm to 25mm bases.

Also, all those old rules(you better have Epic 40,000 the best version of Epic) are still usable, so they can have their moment in the sun right now.

artific3r wrote:
Epic has been on everyone's mind since Aeronautica. It would be a bait and switch of incredible proportions for this not to be Epic.

Honestly, as a marketing device, this teaser absolutely nailed it. We're all talking about Epic now, but there is just enough ambiguity for it to be something else, which draws out the conversation. Keeps everyone talking.

If it isn't Epic, they screwed up, badly.

I think this is the way to look at it. How dumb would GW's marketing people have to be to set such expectations if it wasn't meant to be about Epic?

 Geifer wrote:

artific3r wrote:
Epic has been on everyone's mind since Aeronautica. It would be a bait and switch of incredible proportions for this not to be Epic.

Honestly, as a marketing device, this teaser absolutely nailed it. We're all talking about Epic now, but there is just enough ambiguity for it to be something else, which draws out the conversation. Keeps everyone talking.

If it isn't Epic, they screwed up, badly.

I think this is the way to look at it. How dumb would GW's marketing people have to be to set such expectations if it wasn't meant to be about Epic?

Chances are it wouldn't be marketing but mangers
And as for a scale about as dumb as the Diablo 3 team before the mobile game reveal or the managers in charge of the change over from Old World to Age of Sigmar

 stonehorse wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well when I’m right?

You’ll all owe me £5 each.

Probably.

It’s not like I’ll remember, or even be able to legally enforce that debt I just invented.

But I’m gonna be super hype when it does come back, because I’ve got most of the existing rules lurking under my bed, just waiting for their time in the sun.

Haha, I like your style.

If it is Epic, I think it is safe to say that all previous material will be not be compatible with it. Look at what happened to Aeronautica Imperialis,and more recently the news that WFB will go from 20mm to 25mm bases.

Also, all those old rules(you better have Epic 40,000 the best version of Epic) are still usable, so they can have their moment in the sun right now.

Ahhh, see…you say that. But.

Provided both sides are using the Current Models on the Current Base, but organised into Historical Units? The scale really doesn’t matter that much, as it grants neither side an advantage,

 Geifer wrote:

artific3r wrote:
Epic has been on everyone's mind since Aeronautica. It would be a bait and switch of incredible proportions for this not to be Epic.

Honestly, as a marketing device, this teaser absolutely nailed it. We're all talking about Epic now, but there is just enough ambiguity for it to be something else, which draws out the conversation. Keeps everyone talking.

If it isn't Epic, they screwed up, badly.

I think this is the way to look at it. How dumb would GW's marketing people have to be to set such expectations if it wasn't meant to be about Epic?

So the question of whether or not it's Epic boils down to, just how incompetent do you believe them to be?

 stonehorse wrote:
What do you mean Horus Heresy Board gamers? That game had been out of print for decades!

FFG had a version published back in 2010. But yeah, it ain't gonna be the big reveal from GW.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well when I’m right?

You’ll all owe me £5 each.

Probably.

It’s not like I’ll remember, or even be able to legally enforce that debt I just invented.

But I’m gonna be super hype when it does come back, because I’ve got most of the existing rules lurking under my bed, just waiting for their time in the sun.

Haha, I like your style.

If it is Epic, I think it is safe to say that all previous material will be not be compatible with it. Look at what happened to Aeronautica Imperialis,and more recently the news that WFB will go from 20mm to 25mm bases.

Also, all those old rules(you better have Epic 40,000 the best version of Epic) are still usable, so they can have their moment in the sun right now.

Ahhh, see…you say that. But.

Provided both sides are using the Current Models on the Current Base, but organised into Historical Units? The scale really doesn’t matter that much, as it grants neither side an advantage,

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, but rather how GW will deliberately change enough to try and invalidate older collections. Which makes sense from a business point of view. So you old rules won't be cross compatible... any new Epic models may also be so different that they are unusable with old Epic rules.




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 Shakalooloo wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
What do you mean Horus Heresy Board gamers? That game had been out of print for decades!

FFG had a version published back in 2010. But yeah, it ain't gonna be the big reveal from GW.

Which has been out of print as well. It was a huge Coffin boxed game, managed to play it once, and it is good... but one that requires a few free hours to complete and a lot of space!

GW do now make their own Boardgames, Wargammer Quest, Betrayal at Calth, Warhammer Underworlds, etc. So if they were making a Horus Heresy boardgame, it would most certainly be a big reveal.

I think we’re both failing to communicate effectively

My point is that so long as Epic Models return? Provided both players use the same era models, any incarnation of the rules can be used for the game.

So a rescaling won’t matter that much.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think we’re both failing to communicate effectively

My point is that so long as Epic Models return? Provided both players use the same era models, any incarnation of the rules can be used for the game.

So a rescaling won’t matter that much.

What if the new models are so radically different that it makes it virtually impossible to use them with old rules?

Could be entire Legions worth of models that come attached to a base?

What I am trying to say is that we have no idea of what is coming other than it being Horus Heresy, so it could figuratively be anything.

In that case? All in the painting. Or the basing.

Think original Boxed Bloodbowl, where for the contained teams, positions were denoted by base colour.

Ways and means my dude, ways and means!

Asking players to rescale old bases is ultimately a very "soft" way to pressure them to buy new models. Most players won't bother. It's not like the game's going to suddenly attract a massive tournament scene overnight, where strict standardization matters for balance purposes.

The better incentive will be to simply release better models. Who wouldn't want new and improved Epic-scale minis?

Mate. If you have the old models? You can get the old rules.

I happened to buy mine, but let’s face it, in the modern age, and as much as I don’t endorse it, there are other paths open.

The models are the thing most will be missing. Infantry in those days were super fragile, thanks to teensy tiny ankles.

 stonehorse wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s clearly Epic.

Set during Heresy. ‘New Scale’. Command Legions.

Now. It may not be Epic quite as we know it, especially if they keep the Adeptus Titanicus models as the base scale (and I can’t see why they wouldn’t). But all of that positively screams Epic is making a return.

People clearly want it to be Epic, as it is now we have very little to go on

The current Horus Heresy game is scheduled to get assault Marines 2 years after initial release. Yet people are insisting that GW are going to launch a whole new game with a whole new scale of miniatures (6-8mm). They are already stretched as it, and very little of their product range sits outside of 28mm heroic scale.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a game format for Apocalypse scale games in the Horus Heresy setting.

The most intensive part model wise for epic is probably the titans. Good news there, they’re all already out!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
In that case? All in the painting. Or the basing.

Think original Boxed Bloodbowl, where for the contained teams, positions were denoted by base colour.

Ways and means my dude, ways and means!

Ah no I think they mean a full warp spawned madness fight, where new epic is something like 3mm, with a large titanicus sized base representing a combined marine detachment with armour support - vs 5 giants on a stand.

Heresy is one of the few games that I think could get me into 3mm, but nah it's epic. More than that, current rumours even have it as being basically Epic Armageddon with different detachments.

It’s not over yet. Kill Team preview in 37 minutes.

And it’s looking a bit Inquisitorial.

Inquisition here we come.

Maybe the forces at the studio that think the Inquisition shouldn't be represented on the battlefield are finally losing/relenting.

 stonehorse wrote:
I want it to be Epic, I'm just not seeing anything that says Epic other than speculation from those who (like myself) want to see Epic return.

Seriously dude?

Using old style batrep cards, the "Command Legions" tagline, and the teaser video is called "Battle on a New Scale"?

The subtext has ceased being "sub" with this one.

Yeah we are much more on what kind of Epic it will be.

Mirror Match Horus Heresy like AT - Imperial VS Chaos - full Epic with Xenos

AT already did mirrormatch whilst AN did Xenos (not all though - poor Tyranids :( ). So it could go any way.
One risk is that it starts out mirrormatch and does "ok" but not well enough to have GW invest into additional moulds for a whole second army (eg chaos)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I want it to be Epic, I'm just not seeing anything that says Epic other than speculation from those who (like myself) want to see Epic return.

Seriously dude?

Using old style batrep cards, the "Command Legions" tagline, and the teaser video is called "Battle on a New Scale"?

The subtext has ceased being "sub" with this one.

On top of that:

- them displaying Titans with new weapons on Epic-style bases in an AT article, then later editing just these bases out
- one of the 40 years of Warhammer articles stating that Epic-scale Warhammer was 'in abbeyance', i.e. temporarily absent
- influencers like Duncan suddenly painting decades-old Epic sets
- rumourmongers saying Epic was coming

Oh yeah, the edited bases. I forgot about that.

Anyone remember what they looked like?

 Overread wrote:
Yeah we are much more on what kind of Epic it will be.

Horus Heresy. Because it was shown during a Horus Heresy preview.

This is very quickly turning into walks like a duck/quacks like a duck situation.

It's a duck!

Oh God it's actually happening!

I should have figured that the inquisition would be coming. The last Arks of Omen book teases it, but I was hoping it would be a huge range refresh. Which isn’t off the table, I suppose

 Overread wrote:
Yeah we are much more on what kind of Epic it will be.

Mirror Match Horus Heresy like AT - Imperial VS Chaos - full Epic with Xenos

AT already did mirrormatch whilst AN did Xenos (not all though - poor Tyranids :( ). So it could go any way.
One risk is that it starts out mirrormatch and does "ok" but not well enough to have GW invest into additional moulds for a whole second army (eg chaos)

Secondary market has you covered if that happens. You can already print everything you could reasonably want. It's safe whatever happens

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh yeah, the edited bases. I forgot about that.

Anyone remember what they looked like?

They were just the flat-rimmed disks of old.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


It's a duck!

I think you mean a *rolls AOS name dice* Pondfloat Breadgorger