How do!

So we now have an itenerary for Warhammerfest previews. And there’s a fair few.





I’m hype for 40K and Heresy myself.

Wait…no Epic? Lol

Can't wait to see what the Old World releases will be. I just want confirmation of a release date, even if it is 2024.

Looking forward to the whole thing.

FYI, they've confirmed they will be streamed -

If you’re not at Warhammer Fest yourself, we will be live-streaming the reveals from the previews themselves on our Twitch channel, and covering all the news here on warhammer-community.com.

 Malika2 wrote:
Wait…no Epic? Lol

Guess they had to pay the life support bills for Horus Heresy

 Malika2 wrote:
Wait…no Epic? Lol

It's TOO BIG to fit on the ad.

 Malika2 wrote:
Wait…no Epic? Lol

if epic comes back it should just be rolled in to titanicus

40k - the big box.
Warcry - probably the already leaked ones.
AoS - Malerion elves?
KT - Genestealers vs Admech?
Old World - Brets, even a single new model?
HH - Assault Marines?

 Malika2 wrote:
Wait…no Epic? Lol

They could still squeeze a short teaser in anywhere, for example in the Horus Heresy slot. There's no Black Library Symbol in there as well, but i guess they'll be present in some form, they'll just not get their own dedicated stream, or Forgeworld for that matter. They'll sit under some umbrella.

What i find worrying though is that there is nothing for Necromunda... that game needs more support and hype.

I hate to be a pessimist, but I’m betting no plastic assault infantry for HH will be announced.

 Snord wrote:
I hate to be a pessimist, but I’m betting no plastic assault infantry for HH will be announced.

I can see assault marines, with the despoiler resins for the people who dont want to buy jetpack bodies just for melee arms

40k will be the big box
Warcry leaked box
Underworlds next team and maybe another roadmap
Age of Sigmar more cities or Flesh eater courts
HH hopefully something about future infantry
Old World maybe a release date?
Kill Team will be interesting since it should be the start of a new season

OLD WORLD!!!!

If Epic will be teased (unlikely but possible), it will be under the Horus Heresy brand no doubt. There hasn't been any rumours indicating Epic relaunch wouldn't be 30K rather than 40K related. However I reckon the actual HH reveals themselves will be something else. I'd love it to be new plastic infantry but am not getting my hopes up just yet, seeing as they backpedaled to "only books and resin stuff for now"

Getting a glimpse of KT21S3 will be interesting! Also might mean that Gallowfall will hit preorder before WHF, so that they can get S2 out of the way before the event.

Well, we'll have the full reveal of the next Warcry box and the small box previously leaked.

I don't expect much from the Old World, I doubt it will be more than another teaser.


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 tauist wrote:
If Epic will be teased (unlikely but possible)...

Honestly, it's better to drop that dead horse. It won't be revealed at Warhammer Fest, Valrak was bullshitting this whole affair from the beginning.

No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

Interested in what the new mesbg campaign book will be. Also easterling dragons, they need to get these out before all 3rd party producers do

Is that for this Saturday?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Interested in what the new mesbg campaign book will be. Also easterling dragons, they need to get these out before all 3rd party producers do

Rings of Power™ tie-in game, with all the fan-favourite characters like... that one dude or... the other one.

Is that for this Saturday?

No, Saturday next week.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Is that for this Saturday?

Next Saturday, the 29th.

 tauist wrote:
If Epic will be teased (unlikely but possible), it will be under the Horus Heresy brand no doubt. There hasn't been any rumours indicating Epic relaunch wouldn't be 30K rather than 40K related. However I reckon the actual HH reveals themselves will be something else. I'd love it to be new plastic infantry but am not getting my hopes up just yet, seeing as they backpedaled to "only books and resin stuff for now"

Getting a glimpse of KT21S3 will be interesting! Also might mean that Gallowfall will hit preorder before WHF, so that they can get S2 out of the way before the event.

There has been 0 actual information about Epic.

GW has directly stated that there is upcoming plastic HH infantry. I dont recall them saying "only books and resin stuff" at any point.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


There has been 0 actual information about Epic.

GW has directly stated that there is upcoming plastic infantry. I dont recall them saying "only books and resin stuff" at any point.

They actually said nothing about anything leading to Epic. It was all rumors and hypothesis based on things some people thought was leading to an Epic reveal.

And we do have nothing officially or directly stated as well on plastic Epic infantry. As long as I'm concerned, it could be adamantium miniatures.

Sarouan wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


There has been 0 actual information about Epic.

GW has directly stated that there is upcoming plastic infantry. I dont recall them saying "only books and resin stuff" at any point.

They actually said nothing about anything leading to Epic. It was all rumors and hypothesis based on things some people thought was leading to an Epic reveal.

And we do have nothing officially or directly stated as well on plastic Epic infantry. As long as I'm concerned, it could be adamantium miniatures.

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! 

From https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/02/heresy-thursday-spice-up-your-legions-with-chainsaw-wielding-despoiler-squads/

My bad, I thought you were talking about Epic plastic infantry, not HH infantry.

I don't think we have any rumours left for Kill Team now do we?

It would make sense for Genestealers to be in there.

And I'm actually amazed we've not had a dedicated Marine sprue yet. Tyrannic War vets to go with the new box (which seem to be more generic vets).

Edit: Oh, I guess Inquisitorial retinue isn't out of the question either? Especially given the hints from AOO.

 The Phazer wrote:
I don't think we have any rumours left for Kill Team now do we?

It would make sense for Genestealers to be in there.

And I'm actually amazed we've not had a dedicated Marine sprue yet. Tyrannic War vets to go with the new box (which seem to be more generic vets).

Not entirely correct, we have Valrak rumours about a set or even the season being called 'Ashes of Faith' and including a chaos cultist/ dark communion killteam.

A fresh video talks box sets and possible new armies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2lfolNIg-4

- Apparently a combat/boarding patrol box for Imperial Agents is on the way, including an Eversor assassin, Rogue Trader + retinue and Navis breachers True
- Codex: Imperial Agents probably coming in 10th Pending
- Says a lot of 10th starter box rumours are fake; wants to check with sources he trusts, video to come probably next week
- Primaris Chapter Command box is in the works, contents unclear according to sources he trusts Pending
- Kill Team: new box called 'Ashes of Faith' with possibly chaos cultists Dark Commune against an unspecified enemy, possibly Exodites Pending
- Beastmen are coming for Kill Team and getting 'lots of love' - could also be in the 'Ashes of Faith' box instead of Dark Commune, not clear yet True
- Warhammer World open day will reveal Farsight, the 4th AoO book, possibly some of the stuff above True

Tsagualsa wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I don't think we have any rumours left for Kill Team now do we?

It would make sense for Genestealers to be in there.

And I'm actually amazed we've not had a dedicated Marine sprue yet. Tyrannic War vets to go with the new box (which seem to be more generic vets).

Not entirely correct, we have Valrak rumours about a set or even the season being called 'Ashes of Faith' and including a chaos cultist/ dark communion killteam.

Fair enough, I'd missed them!

I'd actually be stupidly interested in some Dark Communion. Would make sense against Inquisitors too.

I think the Horus Heresy/Old World fusion will be weird.
Feels like I have already seen some AI generated art of that.

Happy days, there has been a real drought of MESBG news lately. Hopefully it will be a new sourcebook and not just a RotK MTO announcement

Some Eldar Exodites would be pretty sweet. But would dino riding knights fit in the whole vibe of boarding actions that Kill Teams seems to be all about lately?

 Malika2 wrote:
Some Eldar Exodites would be pretty sweet. But would dino riding knights fit in the whole vibe of boarding actions that Kill Teams seems to be all about lately?

Boarding actions were this season. A new season could be different, or follow up on season 2 by factions scavenging the wreckage of the crashed hulk.

 Fergie0044 wrote:
Happy days, there has been a real drought of MESBG news lately. Hopefully it will be a new sourcebook and not just a RotK MTO announcement

MTO announcements aren't usually done via an event. They have shown up as part of an event announcement, but not as the highlight.

 Malika2 wrote:
Some Eldar Exodites would be pretty sweet. But would dino riding knights fit in the whole vibe of boarding actions that Kill Teams seems to be all about lately?

KT Season 3 is a jousting tournament.

Ork-en Man wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Some Eldar Exodites would be pretty sweet. But would dino riding knights fit in the whole vibe of boarding actions that Kill Teams seems to be all about lately?

KT Season 3 is a jousting tournament.

Would be a good excuse to update Shining Spears and Rough Riders but they already did that.

Still no Necromunda, that really concerns me for the fact the Cawdor walkers were previewed six months before their release. (Preview Nov 22 - Release April 23)
If that trend continues that means it will be close to Christmas before we see anything new for the game.

As a counter-point, we have the Enforcer walkers - previewed on 27 Feb, in the pre-order preview article on 26 Mar.

 Snord wrote:
I hate to be a pessimist, but I’m betting no plastic assault infantry for HH will be announced.

That would be really bad news as if not here then never in this year there's more appropriate time.

I'd guess another year for plastic assault marines.

Flashman wrote:No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

I'm actually glad in some ways, they just need to leave the game TF alone and let people play

Malika2 wrote:Wait…no Epic? Lol

Yep that does seem to be it. You wouldn't release a major new boxset and scale without mentioning it at this point, I think.

 Pacific wrote:

Flashman wrote:No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

I'm actually glad in some ways, they just need to leave the game TF alone and let people play

Malika2 wrote:Wait…no Epic? Lol

Yep that does seem to be it. You wouldn't release a major new boxset and scale without mentioning it at this point, I think.

Unless you wanted it to be a surprise reveal.

Gw's already behind on production schedule and logistics.

At this stage i'd be surprised if they wanted to make it a surprise reveal.

Ontop of that, even if it comes, then the chances are high that it will get HH'ified, meaning decent support to start with before petering out before even the core is available.

Not Online!!! wrote:

At this stage i'd be surprised if they wanted to make it a surprise reveal.

That's... usually the idea of it

Ontop of that, even if it comes, then the chances are high that it will get HH'ified, meaning decent support to start with before petering out before even the core is available.

Who even knows anymore, their releases outside of mainline 40k and AOS have been erratic at best, and even these seem to suffer under some sort of strain (see the delayed/cancelled SM supplements etc. for an example) that we are not acutely aware of, on top of the general warehouse issues that are still not solved apparently. They need to get their house in order before they expand further, but it's unclear how much say their creative division has in matters like these.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Gw's already behind on production schedule and logistics.

At this stage i'd be surprised if they wanted to make it a surprise reveal.

Ontop of that, even if it comes, then the chances are high that it will get HH'ified, meaning decent support to start with before petering out before even the core is available.

Yea this. Just look at how sad preorder lineups have been lately.

GW has been teasing a lot of BFG lately and zero Epic but with their logistics struggling as it is, I don't see them announcing a new side game. If one was planned at all, whichever one, it's the perfect candidate to be quietly cut from the schedule with zero drama since we don't even know it exists yet.

 Pacific wrote:

Flashman wrote:No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

I'm actually glad in some ways, they just need to leave the game TF alone and let people play

Eh, there's at least three teams (Chaos Dwarfs, Vampires and Tomb Kings) I'd like to see get released in plastic before they're done with Blood Bowl - and I wouldn't be against the idea of a Slaanesh or Tzeentch team either, as long as they have solid concepts for the positional players.

Just no more Elves, please...

They literally said that they will fully cover the 40K 10th edition launch box will be fully covered in the War-Com article, shouldn't you try and predict something spicier? Because I'm sure I can't lmao.

I wish they said they will give us a last chance at Indomitus Crusade because last time I didn't had my credit card and first time the page didn't worked, and now eBay, amazon and Mercado Libre scalpers have extortionist prices right now.

I kinda expect they will announce the next big campaing for AoS.

I just want info on TOW already.

I don't really care about anything else, just like no one seems to care about Middle-Earth.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

Flashman wrote:No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

I'm actually glad in some ways, they just need to leave the game TF alone and let people play

Eh, there's at least three teams (Chaos Dwarfs, Vampires and Tomb Kings) I'd like to see get released in plastic before they're done with Blood Bowl - and I wouldn't be against the idea of a Slaanesh or Tzeentch team either, as long as they have solid concepts for the positional players.

Just no more Elves, please...

I meant more from a perspective of a new version of the game, which entailed a new version of the rules with a 0.1% change from the previous one, where 'dash' has now been renamed 'sprint'. So for the next few years we play someone they will say "I'm going for it.. no damn, I'm going to dash.. no I mean sprint"
And now comes with a 17-sided dice.

I'd expect that in addition to the full box and rules for 10th, they will show off the EtB kits that tie in, and probably the Space Marine and Nid coxed covers.

Hopefully TOW preview will be chunky. It's very cool seeing they've done a full brettonian army from the old range for it, wishlist would be a couple more like that and then a Kislev army of predominantly new stuff to show direction of travel. Who knows though, might just be 3D renders and a lot of talk.

Billicus wrote:
Hopefully TOW preview will be chunky. It's very cool seeing they've done a full brettonian army from the old range for it, wishlist would be a couple more like that and then a Kislev army of predominantly new stuff to show direction of travel. Who knows though, might just be 3D renders and a lot of talk.

Best-case scenario is something like SoB where they jumped from a few renders straight to previews of units and then to the first half of the army.

Worst-case is yet more maps, renders and art while the actual game and models remain essentially vaporware.

We'll probably land somewhere in between. The more interesting and relevant part, at least for the health of the game and its future prospects, is their economic model, sales modalities, army sizes, release model and so on anyway, and that part will necessarily be quite talky. I don't see us getting much concrete information on all of that though, albeit if the rumours about a celebratory box around christmas time this year are true we may get a glimpse at this 'First chance to buy' thing.

Billicus wrote:
Hopefully TOW preview will be chunky. It's very cool seeing they've done a full brettonian army from the old range for it, wishlist would be a couple more like that and then a Kislev army of predominantly new stuff to show direction of travel. Who knows though, might just be 3D renders and a lot of talk.

I'm personally hoping on a return to the old Battalion sets.

 Dysartes wrote:
As a counter-point, we have the Enforcer walkers - previewed on 27 Feb, in the pre-order preview article on 26 Mar.

The sprues are stamped copyright 2022, so they were still delayed even if we weren't aware at the time.

Umm the sprues are routinely done and completed long time ahead...you just noticed what people have known for many many years.

Horus Heresy 2.0:
According to my crystal ball we will only see a very small selection of obscure Consuls. So no assault marines.


GW, we want Epic at the end of the year or we will spend our money elsewhere.

Billicus wrote:
Hopefully TOW preview will be chunky. It's very cool seeing they've done a full brettonian army from the old range for it, wishlist would be a couple more like that and then a Kislev army of predominantly new stuff to show direction of travel. Who knows though, might just be 3D renders and a lot of talk.

For a game that's been in development for at least 4 years if not more, hopefully we get something chunky at this point. I'm not a betting man but I'd wager what you say here is probably what we can expect though.

Billicus wrote:
Hopefully TOW preview will be chunky. It's very cool seeing they've done a full brettonian army from the old range for it, wishlist would be a couple more like that and then a Kislev army of predominantly new stuff to show direction of travel. Who knows though, might just be 3D renders and a lot of talk.

I think we'll see some of new Khemri, as it seems some of the models have been shown to video games developers. Seeing the Bretonian army ahead of time was a surprise to be honest as I had assumed that they would have been in the launch box vs Khemri as the two big non-AoS factions. Though it feels like the launch box has to be the Seige of Praag from the setting - but if we're talking end of the year for that release we're not going to be seeing anything from the starter set I'd have thought.

 Tastyfish wrote:
Though it feels like the launch box has to be the Seige of Praag from the setting

The setting is the era that ends with the Siege of Praag. I doubt they're going to sell the ending as the first release.

tneva82 wrote:
Umm the sprues are routinely done and completed long time ahead...you just noticed what people have known for many many years.

Yes, but usually the date is precise for the year of release; even something brought out new in January has the current year stamped on it. The 'bots have been produced and then delayed by at least four months. Presumably because component #44 is not moulded correctly.

Blood Bowl went from getting around 4 plastic kits a year to just one every 12 months or something like that. It's a shame, been waiting on plastic Chorfs for quite a while now.

Tbh if I had to pick anything for GW to release it would be a new Space Hulk, but with Deathwing instead of Blood Angels. Or whatever...just reprint the more recent version, last time it was printed was 2014 or something like that, it's about time to bring Space Hulk back.

 Thargrim wrote:
Blood Bowl went from getting around 4 plastic kits a year to just one every 12 months or something like that. It's a shame, been waiting on plastic Chorfs for quite a while now.

Tbh if I had to pick anything for GW to release it would be a new Space Hulk, but with Deathwing instead of Blood Angels. Or whatever...just reprint the more recent version, last time it was printed was 2014 or something like that, it's about time to bring Space Hulk back.

Blackstone Fortress is getting on in years now, and still sporting the old 40K logo, so I can see it going soon and making way for something else. Space Hulk would be an ideal replacement.

 Thargrim wrote:
Blood Bowl went from getting around 4 plastic kits a year to just one every 12 months or something like that. It's a shame, been waiting on plastic Chorfs for quite a while now.

Tbh if I had to pick anything for GW to release it would be a new Space Hulk, but with Deathwing instead of Blood Angels. Or whatever...just reprint the more recent version, last time it was printed was 2014 or something like that, it's about time to bring Space Hulk back.

Agreed, would like to see them at least finish the teams of legend before they abandon it again, at least once the teams of legend are done we won't need anything besides a few token balance patches and the odd issue of Spike.

SamusDrake wrote:
Blackstone Fortress is getting on in years now, and still sporting the old 40K logo, so I can see it going soon and making way for something else. Space Hulk would be an ideal replacement.

While this is getting OT, I'd love to see Space Hulk as a regular product with expansions like the old days.

 Thargrim wrote:
Blood Bowl went from getting around 4 plastic kits a year to just one every 12 months or something like that. It's a shame, been waiting on plastic Chorfs for quite a while now.

Tbh if I had to pick anything for GW to release it would be a new Space Hulk, but with Deathwing instead of Blood Angels. Or whatever...just reprint the more recent version, last time it was printed was 2014 or something like that, it's about time to bring Space Hulk back.

Maybe do Space Hulk with several different chapters of SM in an additional box.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Blood Bowl went from getting around 4 plastic kits a year to just one every 12 months or something like that. It's a shame, been waiting on plastic Chorfs for quite a while now.

Tbh if I had to pick anything for GW to release it would be a new Space Hulk, but with Deathwing instead of Blood Angels. Or whatever...just reprint the more recent version, last time it was printed was 2014 or something like that, it's about time to bring Space Hulk back.

Maybe do Space Hulk with several different chapters of SM in an additional box.

With different foes. It could be called Space Crusade!

I wish.

They could do a video showing off the Lion, then having a preorder scheduled for him in an attempt to pretend that last weeks debacle never happened. ?

I hate it when things sell out! It robs me of the chance to think about buying it in six months... and then not.

No Necro preview once again :(

JSG wrote:
I hate it when things sell out! It robs me of the chance to think about buying it in six months... and then not.

This right here!

 alphaecho wrote:
With different foes. It could be called Space Crusade!

For some reason I read that as Space Charade, and got very confused for a minute.

 Dysartes wrote:

 alphaecho wrote:
With different foes. It could be called Space Crusade!

For some reason I read that as Space Charade, and got very confused for a minute.

That's the Harlequins vs. Slaanesh Demons expansion

With the relative lack of Necromunda etc. at Warhammerfest, is it possible that we'll get a Forge World / Specialist Games Open Day sometime in July/August like in the years before 2019? I'd like that very much, but so far nothing in the vein has been announced.

Tsagualsa wrote:

What i find worrying though is that there is nothing for Necromunda... that game needs more support and hype.

I'd at least hoped for pre-pre-preview of the next Aranthian Succession book.

Flashman wrote:No Blood Bowl. Boooooo!

Also Boo! from me!!

We need the High Elfs to complete the set!

Tsagualsa wrote:


That's the Harlequins vs. Slaanesh Demons expansion

Now theres an idea!

 schoon wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Blackstone Fortress is getting on in years now, and still sporting the old 40K logo, so I can see it going soon and making way for something else. Space Hulk would be an ideal replacement.

While this is getting OT, I'd love to see Space Hulk as a regular product with expansions like the old days.

Isn't that kind of what boarding patrols are supposed to be?

Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

 cole1114 wrote:

 schoon wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Blackstone Fortress is getting on in years now, and still sporting the old 40K logo, so I can see it going soon and making way for something else. Space Hulk would be an ideal replacement.

While this is getting OT, I'd love to see Space Hulk as a regular product with expansions like the old days.

Isn't that kind of what boarding patrols are supposed to be?

Do boarding patrols have the blip mechanic? Genestealers that were out of LOS were represented by a marker that could be (IIRC) between 0 to 3 actual genestealers.
It's been a while since I looked at it, but I think the turn structure was very different with limited action points and stuff like that there. I've still got the box out in the shed, maybe I'll go out and take a gander tomorrow morning.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 schoon wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Blackstone Fortress is getting on in years now, and still sporting the old 40K logo, so I can see it going soon and making way for something else. Space Hulk would be an ideal replacement.

While this is getting OT, I'd love to see Space Hulk as a regular product with expansions like the old days.

Isn't that kind of what boarding patrols are supposed to be?

Do boarding patrols have the blip mechanic? Genestealers that were out of LOS were represented by a marker that could be (IIRC) between 0 to 3 actual genestealers.
It's been a while since I looked at it, but I think the turn structure was very different with limited action points and stuff like that there. I've still got the box out in the shed, maybe I'll go out and take a gander tomorrow morning.

It's not board-gamey, but in terms of being tight-confines and alternate rules to normal 40k.

Well some don't just want 40k lite on tigh confine areas but want dedicated game with it's own unique mechanisms.

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

Anything you're particularly hoping to see on the Middle Earth side of things?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

Anything you're particularly hoping to see on the Middle Earth side of things?

Some rumours online the Rhulish War Drakes (not a big monster! A 40mm infantry model like wild wargs) and apparently an updated/ dwarf focused expansion book which would be sweet.


But mostly its very exciting to have anything really!

 Dysartes wrote:
Anything you're particularly hoping to see on the Middle Earth side of things?

Literally anything to be quite honest. What I suspect we'll see something related to the Last Alliance of Men and Elves/Siege of Barad-dur. They've already done that era's Elrond in plastic and heavily hinted that there's a plastic Gil-galad on the way, so they may well show him off. If they go all in on the Last Alliance themed reveals then it wouldn't be shocking to see plastic Elendil/Isildur. Maybe even a redone High Elf/Numenoran kit/s. The Last Alliance kit is I think about the oldest Middle-earth troop kit, alongside the Moria goblins, and is somewhat restrictive in that it's split between elves and men, so you can't collect one without getting the other. And elf spearmen are still metal as are numenoran spear/bowmen. So wouldn't be shocked if we see a new High Elf infantry kit and one for Numenorans too.
A plastic Sauron would also be fricking cool. (As long as it comes with Isildur and Elendil lying on the ground like the current one has!)

But you asked what i'd like to see, and what I'd currently like to see most of all is a supplement book focus on Balin's reclamation of Khazad-Dum. Something akin to the old Shadow and Flame splat book from yester-year.

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Some rumours online the Rhulish War Drakes (not a big monster! A 40mm infantry model like wild wargs) and apparently an updated/ dwarf focused expansion book which would be sweet.

I've seen a few mentions of Rhaunish war drakes recently, but haven't seen anything about them rumour-wise. Where have these rumours come from?

Today's teaser pic:



With the text

It's a mere two days to go until Warhammer Fest 2023 – would you rather we showed off something kunnin' or something brutal?

https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1651541888384606208?cxt=HHwWgIC9zZymuustAAAA

Something Orky for AoS.

Maybe Gorkamorka is making a move in the mortal realms?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Something Orky for AoS.

Maybe Gorkamorka is making a move in the mortal realms?

The two glyphs present in the picture are for the Jade Realm of Ghyran and the Underworlds of Shysh, if that helps (it probably does not).

 Snrub wrote:
A plastic Sauron would also be fricking cool.

If we're wishlisting, a new Orc kit wouldn't hurt either, especially if the Elves and Men get updated kits for the Last Alliance.

An decent ork boy kit.... who am i kidding certainly not that

Finally, monopose orcs!

 His Master's Voice wrote:
If we're wishlisting, a new Orc kit wouldn't hurt either, especially if the Elves and Men get updated kits for the Last Alliance.

I'm actually painting mordor orcs at the moment and I was thinking they still held up pretty well.

Im confused. Was sure the teaser pic was Be'lakor (even have the jaw horns), then by the text, its apparently an Ork
Would be interresting to see a mechanised steampunk ork band for AoS. Feels like they have lost most of the crazy whimsical side of the mortal realms lately. There has been mostly solid nostalgia releases that dont challenge the old established concepts.

 Fayric wrote:
Im confused. Was sure the teaser pic was Be'lakor (even have the jaw horns), then by the text, its apparently an Ork
Would be interresting to see a mechanised steampunk ork band for AoS. Feels like they have lost most of the crazy whimsical side of the mortal realms lately. There has been mostly solid nostalgia releases that dont challenge the old established concepts.

That actually sounds cool.

Nabbed off B&C:

Hmmm.

What is that I can smell?

(Not you, Dudeface. Not shooting the messenger).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

What is that I can smell?

(Not you, Dudeface. Not shooting the messenger).

Greentext usually means a made-up story in channer culture

Its all about the Screamer Killer. If it's not there then they should do the morally right thing and cancel the whole event. Refund tickets and send everyone home.

Warhammer Instagram leaked for a brief moment

What's goin on on his chest? Is that a necklace of guts? Or are they supposed to be his guts and the artist thinks a human torso is packed with guts from the neck down?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's goin on on his chest? Is that a necklace of guts? Or are they supposed to be his guts and the artist thinks a human torso is packed with guts from the neck down?

I was asking myself the same question, and i think it's a necklace made out of a slayers beard or crest.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's goin on on his chest? Is that a necklace of guts? Or are they supposed to be his guts and the artist thinks a human torso is packed with guts from the neck down?

I was asking myself the same question, and i think it's a necklace made out of a slayers beard or crest.

Yeah, looks like Slayer crests but the braiding is ruined by the digital artstyle.

Total aside, but WWE are in Manchester. Or they were this week.

Wonder if Shayna Baszler might be attending Warhammerfest.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Warhammer Instagram leaked for a brief moment

That's definitely for Warcry. We already had that huge warcry leak revealing the FEC and SC, so I'd be amazed if it was anything beyond that

Edit: Though the spear through the hand doesn't appear in any of those leaked pics, nor did any of the other ghouls appear to be covered in animal fur and bones. Interesting...

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Warhammer Instagram leaked for a brief moment

That's definitely for Warcry. We already had that huge warcry leak revealing the FEC and SC, so I'd be amazed if it was anything beyond that

Edit: Though the spear through the hand doesn't appear in any of those leaked pics, nor did any of the other ghouls appear to be covered in animal fur and bones. Interesting...

Current AoS rumours indicate we have more FEC releases than the Warcrry war and coming this edition. Also that there’s something coming for Destruction and Sylvaneth. The teaser image yesterday had imagery associated with Death, Life and Orruks so it meshes with the rumours we hit earlier this year

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Total aside, but WWE are in Manchester. Or they were this week.

Wonder if Shayna Baszler might be attending Warhammerfest.

Well this immediately brought the idea of "warhammer deathmatches" to mind. Like lego deathmatches, but with spikey bits.

 cole1114 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Total aside, but WWE are in Manchester. Or they were this week.

Wonder if Shayna Baszler might be attending Warhammerfest.

Well this immediately brought the idea of "warhammer deathmatches" to mind. Like lego deathmatches, but with spikey bits.

I had to google what that was and I'm not disappointed. I sort of imagined that it would be a "Grinder" thing, where wargamers pit individual models against each other, and the loser model gets put in a grinder. I think it was Warhammer related, though I could be mistaken

Only Deathmatch I wanna see, is more Celebrity Deathmatch.

I’ll allow it!

Screamer Killer on the cards, looking forward to seeing that all gribbly.

 Olthannon wrote:



Screamer Killer on the cards, looking forward to seeing that all gribbly.

On the right is probably one of the creatures that ate SM in the 10th trailer.

Middle one looks like a terminator, wasn't the rumor a termie chaplain?

Screamer Killer on the left, Terminator Captain in the middle and that feeder/tentacle tyranid on the right

 ScarletRose wrote:
Middle one looks like a terminator, wasn't the rumor a termie chaplain?

Captain from the video.

Is it on twitch?

''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

Is the stream gonna be now or after the seminar?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Is the stream gonna be now or after the seminar?

We will see in a second?

Is there just no stream?
As warcom says about following for live updates.


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 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Is the stream gonna be now or after the seminar?

We will see in a second?

It’s normally there if it’s about to start. Saying soon and a title card

Hmm, either they are late or the stream will be later today.

live

It's live now:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/28/warhammer-fest-2023-live-blog/

Their usual Twitch channel has nothing scheduled for either today or tomorrow, which is odd.

So no live stream at all?

And now showing on twitch. Good.

 Geifer wrote:
It's live now:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/28/warhammer-fest-2023-live-blog/

Nothing there for me, weird.

Troke managed a "the newest model is always best" before even showing any models

Refresh site and twitch. Both show.

Danny76 wrote:
And now showing on twitch. Good.

Could you please give the direct link? The WarCom page shows nothing for me. Thanks in advance!


Edit: Huh, so Twitch works now, no scheduling still though. Weird!

 Darnok wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
And now showing on twitch. Good.

Could you please give the direct link? The WarCom page shows nothing for me. Thanks in advance!


Edit: Huh, so Twitch works now, no scheduling still though. Weird!

Same request, thanks!

So, anybody playing the "absolutely shot game"? Take a shot every time Adam says "absolutely", die from alcohol poisoning before the end of the show...

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Thise new Tyranid models are ace. Did anyone get screen grabs?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Big thanks!

Anyone get a screenshot of the full nids army?

So no Biovores. Hopefully later.

Diddy gaunt safe kind of cute.

Not sure on the Barbgaubts.

Neurogaunts remind me of Shriekers from Tremors

Psychophage is the best so far.

So far liking the Nids being shown off.

The Big Thing is that the launch box has two fully functional Combat Patrols, plus a few extra units.

Barbgaunts from the last pic looks better when you can see that they are carrying their bio rocket launchers.

Missed the discussion of the various Nid units when the baby woke up, what are the new units' roles?

They said this will be the Tyranid combat patrol

Tactical Screamer Killer base

Full box

Overall the tyranid nu-units looks awesome.

Obviously we will get some refresheds kit in september when the codex releases, but my bet would be, not many judging from Necrons release, and then a few scattered release like Genestealers in space hulk, and maybe new warriors in a Kill Team set.

New Veterans and Ballistus are awesome!

I wish we would go back to an A5 just-the-rules books in starters.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I wish we would go back to an A5 just-the-rules books in starters.

And I'm sure they'll but those in the actual Starters.

Screamer Killer is my top pick so far. Wonderful update of a classic.

Roadmap

 cole1114 wrote:
Roadmap

Interestingly the Dark Angels isn't called Codex Supplement so we may go back to full codexes at least for the three big chapters?

Is it me or is the face of the Screamer Killer looking a bit like one of the Predator?

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They just confirmed all new codexes are getting new miniatures. Hot damn.

Have they mentioned whether the box is a splash release, a pre order guarantee or will be around for a while type job?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Is it me or is the face of the Screamer Killer looking a bit like one of the Predator?

That was my first thought as well.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the Huggyfex, but I'm not sure yet what to make of the head.

I've got to say very impressed with both sets of minis. I love the Tyranids, especially the Screamer Killer. That Predator style head is awesome. I'm not going to collect nids so probably immediately sell the minis but I can't wait to get started. The marines look very cool, especially the Sternguard.

I'm also super hyped for admech in Winter. Can't wait to see what new minis might be on the cards.

This box will outsell Indomitus

Perhaps the best launch box ever

Really didn't expect to see a Gravis Apotechary.. Love the model. All in all, a lot to sink your teeth into

 Olthannon wrote:
I've got to say very impressed with both sets of minis. I love the Tyranids, especially the Screamer Killer. That Predator style head is awesome. I'm not going to collect nids so probably immediately sell the minis but I can't wait to get started. The marines look very cool, especially the Sternguard.

I'm also super hyped for admech in Winter. Can't wait to see what new minis might be on the cards.

The combination of the Psychophage, the Neurotyrant and Screamer-Killer arms would make for an absolutely mental, titan-sized scratchbuilt of an Epic-scale Dominatrix.

They revealed rules for two marine units but only one nids unit, rude.

Unfortunately I really like and want the Tyranids. Love them.

They mentioned every codex on the roadmap will come with ‘at least some new miniatures’ which is exciting!

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I've got to say very impressed with both sets of minis. I love the Tyranids, especially the Screamer Killer. That Predator style head is awesome. I'm not going to collect nids so probably immediately sell the minis but I can't wait to get started. The marines look very cool, especially the Sternguard.

I'm also super hyped for admech in Winter. Can't wait to see what new minis might be on the cards.

The combination of the Psychophage, the Neurotyrant and Screamer-Killer arms would make for an absolutely mental, titan-sized scratchbuilt of an Epic-scale Dominatrix.

Oh damn. Now that is an awesome idea. Don't tempt me Frodo!


Also can I just say 10 marines with flamethrowers is absurd but I do like it.

Of note: It seems that rather than firstborn/primaris, we'll instead be getting armor keywords. So a marine in say mark 7 may not be able to do the same stuff as a marine in tacticus.

 cole1114 wrote:

They just confirmed all new codexes are getting new miniatures. Hot damn.

That's pretty much the dream lineup for me, the only thing a bit surprising about it is that there is no sign of a second wave of squats yet.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

11 foot is life-size for a Terminator? WTF?

Just caught the last part of the video.

Did they say all the faction cards were available on release to buy?
If I buy the SM/Tyranid ones, are they then out of date when the codex comes out a month or 2 later?

I got a bit lost on this part.

Screamer Killer is the big winner for me.

Gravis Apothecary's the big loser. I just can't find it in myself to like Gravis armour, especially after the Terminator update.

Quiet winner would be the Barbgaunts, because they finally look like a fusion of two separate organisms, and the flamer Marines, because they're just flamer Marines, plain and simple.

Also, people in the chat seemed to think there may have been a new guard tank in the crusade art. I don't play guard so I don't exactly have the profiles of their vehicles memorized, but hey.

Well, I'm a very happy bug. Screamer Killer is just great. neurotyrant is pretty cool as is the new dreadnought. Nice to see they've specifically thought of making the two halves of the box into combat patrols (plus extras).

Also, very happy to see they included the mission cards as i was afraid you'd have
to buy them seperately.

My wallet isnt going to like me anymore :(

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just caught the last part of the video.

Did they say all the faction cards were available on release to buy?
If I buy the SM/Tyranid ones, are they then out of date when the codex comes out a month or 2 later?

I got a bit lost on this part.

They are a free download or you can buy the cards.

Not sure how to do images but at the end of the reveal artical the big rule book is open to a page of art and at the back right of the picture looks like a new tyrannocyte.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

11 foot is life-size for a Terminator? WTF?

Maybe they started measuring at the 1 foot mark.

Well chuffed with the whole thing. I was only hoping for the Screamer Killer but the whole box is damn good, and well impressed with the Neurotyrant.

Oh, no chaos knights index. Guess that's being rolled into knight households?

Im not playing Tyranids, but what a starter set for new players. Wow.

The screamer killer is lovely.

 Matrindur wrote:
They said this will be the Tyranid combat patrol

While you can deploy both armies in full to play a brutal but balanced game of Warhammer 40,000, the box also contains more than enough models to form two full Combat Patrols that will let you play this new, faster-paced game format right out of the box.

Based on this you can form combat patrol from contents.

 cole1114 wrote:
Oh, no chaos knights index. Guess that's being rolled into knight households?

Yeah the knight households index card cover has the chaos symbol on it too.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
''One of the first things you’ll see when you walk into Manchester Central is this giant 11-foot-tall life-sized Terminator. Get your photos of him!"

11 foot is life-size for a Terminator? WTF?

Yea termies have been described 8 foot age.

Quite an armour to add 4 feet to height.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Have they mentioned whether the box is a splash release, a pre order guarantee or will be around for a while type job?

Any mention?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just caught the last part of the video.

Did they say all the faction cards were available on release to buy?
If I buy the SM/Tyranid ones, are they then out of date when the codex comes out a month or 2 later?

I got a bit lost on this part.

You can save cash and download index cards from gw.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Just caught the last part of the video.

Did they say all the faction cards were available on release to buy?
If I buy the SM/Tyranid ones, are they then out of date when the codex comes out a month or 2 later?

I got a bit lost on this part.

maybe, we don't know until the Codex hits

might also be that all the cards stay valid but the Codex just add additional rules not being on the cards anyway

deleted - answered while I typed.

Love the Neurotyrant and Psycophage - not sure on some of the smaller critters. Very impressed they put out a road map for the year the upcoming codex. A bit sad that there's no new Votann on the horizon but it does shove me back to Nids for a bit.
All looks very impressive.

 silverstu wrote:
Love the Neurotyrant and Psycophage - not sure on some of the smaller critters. Very impressed they put out a road map for the year the upcoming codex. A bit sad that there's no new Votann on the horizon but it does shove me back to Nids for a bit.
All looks very impressive.

I have a feeling Votann aren't in the first year because they want to launch a substantial "Wave 2" for them.

Is this the first time they've given an actual name to the rulebook instead of just calling it "Rule Book" or something like that?

 Breotan wrote:
Is this the first time they've given an actual name to the rulebook instead of just calling it "Rule Book" or something like that?

I think it's just the launch box branding carrying over to the book, which is more than just rules as far as I can tell.

I might as well give in.

I’m getting a copy of Leviathan, and probably going Nids.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I might as well give in.

I’m getting a copy of Leviathan, and probably going Nids.

There's the customary tie-in novel:



Obviously with boys from the box on the cover. If it goes like the Necron stuff and... ?Damnation of Pythos?, the book may contain sneak-peeks on new SM and Tyranid units in its descriptions.

Think the only thing I want from the box so far (aside from the rules) is an Infernus Squad or two.

Really tempting me to revive my Warbastards Marines.

Am i seeing new plastic wraiths?

 Breotan wrote:
Is this the first time they've given an actual name to the rulebook instead of just calling it "Rule Book" or something like that?

Rogue Trader would be the first time.

So anyone know what is happening with the Q&A seminar?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Am i seeing new plastic wraiths?

Plastic mounted Ringwraiths hopefully.

 Segersgia wrote:
So anyone know what is happening with the Q&A seminar?

It will not get streamed, but Chapter Master Valrak is present and will do a video about it afterwards, which i'll probably transcribe

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Am i seeing new plastic wraiths?

Cool. A bit unexpected. But hopefully allows for some different poses.

 tauist wrote:
This box will outsell Indomitus

Perhaps the best launch box ever

Really didn't expect to see a Gravis Apotechary.. Love the model. All in all, a lot to sink your teeth into

Didn’t they show off the gravis terminator in the trailer? He got jumped by the leapers

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
So anyone know what is happening with the Q&A seminar?

It will not get streamed, but Chapter Master Valrak is present and will do a video about it afterwards, which i'll probably transcribe

You're doing us a good service...

New ghosts are...just there. Nothing exciting.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
New ghosts are...just there. Nothing exciting.

All that and then they forget to paint the Headsman's mask red.

Oooh. I like the ringwraith diorama. That's cool.

 Snrub wrote:
Oooh. I like the ringwraith diorama. That's cool.

But a bit underwhelming to even call that a preview... 'Our hands are tied', whatever that means. Probably tie-ins with as of yet unannounced projects?

New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

 Snrub wrote:
Oooh. I like the ringwraith diorama. That's cool.

Yeah, really nice classic one.

Tsagualsa wrote:
But a bit underwhelming to even call that a preview... 'Our hands are tied', whatever that means. Probably tie-ins with as of yet unannounced projects?

Suuuper lacklustre. Really disappointing actually.
What's the point of these thing if you're not going to show things off. Frigging hell.

 Snrub wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
But a bit underwhelming to even call that a preview... 'Our hands are tied', whatever that means. Probably tie-ins with as of yet unannounced projects?

Suuuper lacklustre. Really disappointing actually.
What's the point of these thing if you're not going to show things off. Frigging hell.

Sounds like they can’t show anything else off. Likely some licensing thing overall.

I get the disappointment, but I think telling us they can’t do more is more reassuring than just saying and showing nowt.

I utterly love ALL the new Tyranids!!!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
But a bit underwhelming to even call that a preview... 'Our hands are tied', whatever that means. Probably tie-ins with as of yet unannounced projects?

Suuuper lacklustre. Really disappointing actually.
What's the point of these thing if you're not going to show things off. Frigging hell.

Sounds like they can’t show anything else off. Likely some licensing thing overall.

I get the disappointment, but I think telling us they can’t do more is more reassuring than just saying and showing nowt.

I guess it has something to do with the new LotR movies announced by New Line Cinema:

https://screenrant.com/lord-rings-hobbit-movies-development-warner-bros/

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I normally like WarCry stuff, but this new set looks very dumb to me; the Stormcast have really glaring reused assets in their capes and dangly bits, one half of the ghouls looks stupid with their bone piercings going straight through their leg bones, the offalhounds look like baboons and the ghoul chief has a lot of stuff going on that i'm not sure i find cool...

Ghouls - I like the Trackers.

Diorama was fantastic. Obviously the licensing sale is causing delays, but eh, that's life. I'll wait. The Warcry box was awesome and i love the look of the new roadmap.

Betting that the summery warcry starter is that leaked vampires vs storm cast set that reuses the underworld models

That whole segment was a massive disappointment tbh. The Stormcast are rubbish, I mean as models they’re nice enough but there looks like 3 bodies and the repetition is really obvious. Ghouls are fine but nothing special. One (admittedly nice) LotR model because ‘our hands are tied’ - no one forced you to include LotR on the lineup. FW as well so god knows the price. And it feels like we’ve had loads of Nighthaunt in underworlds, I’m not massively excited about the new lot.

Tsagualsa wrote:
the offalhounds look like baboons

They're devolved ghouls that believe they're hounds so that makes sense.

Is that it for Middle-Earth? Buh, what a waste of time!

That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

What a load of rubbish that so-called 'preview' was - glad I resisted the temptation to buy a ticket and attend in person.

The New Nids didn’t excite me half so much as the new Warcry models.

I love the update to the ghouls and the gibbon hounds are so cool. I like the new Stormcast more than any of the other recent SCE models.

RazorEdge wrote:
That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

Hopefully the HH/TOW segment tomorrow will be better.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

Nope, because the new sternguard are still primaris. They just fit into the old rules slot. The Firstborn kit is still going away and I detest every second of it.


As per the reveals, the nids were sick, as were the termies. The primaris Marines are Primaris marines, but man I loath the sternguard kit and everything it represents. Like, so much of how sternguard as a kit and a rules entity is antithetical to Primaris and modern GW kit design. Currently, the sternguard can use every man-portable gun in the firstborn have. Which means they'll either have to eliminate or design: Primaris Grav weapons, Melta Guns, Heavy Flamer, Plasma Cannon, Missile launcher (assuming they just don't hand them the Desolator Missiles), and Lascannons. And Include them in the kit unless they've got Primaris Devestators in the pipline. (You likely will also only be bale to take one of each combi-weapon, seeing as the Primaris combi-weapons decidedly are on type only, unless they break at the middle somehow)

or, the far more likely option in that they'll neuter the datasheet or split them between Primaris/Firstborn again. That's the biggest issue with the "unify Primaris and Firstborn" idea, as so much of their unit and kit design philosophy does not mesh.

Flesh Eater Courts always seem to be "close, but not close enough" for me. Can't ever quite put my finger on why.

RazorEdge wrote:
That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

I guess the Q&A session will be rather spicy

People that bought the one thousand pound Golden Ticket to be guaranteed access to everything are probably not over-enthusiastic to repeat that in the future.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

Isn't of a Primaris Proxy that uses elements from the classic style, it's instead a Primaris replacement that uses elements from the classic style.

And even then unless i've missed something the "classic style" parts seems to be...a helmet and a shoulder pad?

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

This already aged really bad.


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 Souleater wrote:
The New Nids didn’t excite me half so much as the new Warcry models.

I love the update to the ghouls and the gibbon hounds are so cool. I like the new Stormcast more than any of the other recent SCE models.

Those are baboons!

Baboon ghouls!

BABOULS!

Tsagualsa wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

I guess the Q&A session will be rather spicy

People that bought the one thousand pound Golden Ticket to be guaranteed access to everything are probably not over-enthusiastic to repeat that in the future.

Depends on what's in the rucksack of stuff I expect.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

Nope, because the new sternguard are still primaris. They just fit into the old rules slot. The Firstborn kit is still going away and I detest every second of it.


As per the reveals, the nids were sick, as were the termies. The primaris Marines are Primaris marines, but man I loath the sternguard kit and everything it represents. Like, so much of how sternguard as a kit and a rules entity is antithetical to Primaris and modern GW kit design. Currently, the sternguard can use every man-portable gun in the firstborn have. Which means they'll either have to eliminate or design: Primaris Grav weapons, Melta Guns, Heavy Flamer, Plasma Cannon, Missile launcher (assuming they just don't hand them the Desolator Missiles), and Lascannons. And Include them in the kit unless they've got Primaris Devestators in the pipline. (You likely will also only be bale to take one of each combi-weapon, seeing as the Primaris combi-weapons decidedly are on type only, unless they break at the middle somehow)

or, the far more likely option in that they'll neuter the datasheet or split them between Primaris/Firstborn again. That's the biggest issue with the "unify Primaris and Firstborn" idea, as so much of their unit and kit design philosophy does not mesh.

I'd guess we'll see a simpler Sternguard datasheet in the Codex that only includes the guns in the new kit, and there will be a Legends Sternguard datasheet to cover all the old options that aren't buildable from the new kit.

That's what GW did for Sisters characters, Chaos characters, and tons of various other stuff that had options that weren't carried forward to new kits.

 CMLR wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

This already aged really bad.


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 Souleater wrote:
The New Nids didn’t excite me half so much as the new Warcry models.

I love the update to the ghouls and the gibbon hounds are so cool. I like the new Stormcast more than any of the other recent SCE models.

Those are baboons!

Baboon ghouls!

BABOULS!

That's how I'm gonna call them from now on!

 tauist wrote:


Really didn't expect to see a Gravis Apotechary.. Love the model. All in all, a lot to sink your teeth into

Guy was on the cinematic. Everyone was on the cinematic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Diddy gaunt safe kind of cute.

Not sure on the Barbgaubts.

I take it the Barbgaunts are essentially a devastor squad. Maybe a way to bring back a form of the spike rifle. I'm all for giving gaunts a bit of firepower without having to call in carnifexes for artillery.

I'm curious to see if the neurogaunts will have any interesting abilities. They look like they have a "synapse" sergeant in the squad, at least.

I'm liking a lot of the new designs. Might have to bite the bullet and save up to get this set - both for the marine & tyranid side, even though I'll likely never play 10th, I still would like the models.

 cole1114 wrote:
Oh, no chaos knights index. Guess that's being rolled into knight households?

They are literally using the Renegade boxart and using both armies' icons on the index.


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 Breotan wrote:
Is this the first time they've given an actual name to the rulebook instead of just calling it "Rule Book" or something like that?

"I'm beginning to Leviathan!'"

Generally liked the 40k models, though I am surprised in a not great way that there was a missed opportunity to update the Biovore and the Lictor. Hopefully both are coming with the codex. The Terminator Captain is fantastic.

If they were going to focus on the 40K launch it really would have helped if they had explained a bit better what was going on with the standalone rulebook. Was hoping we'd find out a bit more about how the Combat Patrol mode works too. Can people at the show look through the rulebook?

 CMLR wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

This already aged really bad.

Didn't it what! Hopefully they pull their thumb outta their arse for the 30k reveals.




Also, aside from anything else. Did anyone else find those two presenters REALLY uninspiring? No excitement coming from them at all. Like, I know they are reading from a script, but it sounded totally phoned in. Where's the hype?

I really didn't liked the Termietain, looks like the fella is hunchbacked or has no neck.

Otherwise, the entire box is an absolute gem.

Close second are BABOULS and all the FEC. FEC! They finally have something since AoS started! (no counting endless spells or scenery).

MESBG was the biggest disapointment, no matter how neat the diorama is.

They were uninspired because the stuff the presented wasn't inspired, so it fits.

 Snrub wrote:

 CMLR wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Awesome. Got MESBG day 1 and Heresy day 2 to look forward too.

This already aged really bad.

Didn't it what! Hopefully they pull their thumb outta their arse for the 30k reveals.




Also, aside from anything else. Did anyone else find those two presenters REALLY uninspiring? No excitement coming from them at all. Like, I know they are reading from a script, but it sounded totally phoned in. Where's the hype?

I don’t like to talk negatively about presenters because it’s something that would terrify me and almost anyone is better at it than I would be, but the guy who was with Eddie (or the two of them together) have consistently been pretty uninspiring. Adam and Eddie do at least have some chemistry, it almost seems like these two don’t get on or something.

Edit, also yeah as stated above, it wasn’t particularly inspiring stuff they had to talk about.

I wouldn't say they don't get on but more that they probably don't know each other and thus don't know how they'll take each others' jokes and banter.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

Isn't of a Primaris Proxy that uses elements from the classic style, it's instead a Primaris replacement that uses elements from the classic style.

And even then unless i've missed something the "classic style" parts seems to be...a helmet and a shoulder pad?

This. Besides the helmet (and shoulder pad?) has anyone seen what the "adorned with relics and combined with parts from older armour marks to demonstrate their station in the Chapter" parts are meant to be?

 Platuan4th wrote:
I wouldn't say they don't get on but more that they probably don't know each other and thus don't know how they'll take each others' jokes and banter.

Yeah, probably shouldn’t speculate on their relationship but that’s probably closer. Just ends up stilted and awkward. Again, certainly no worse than I would do!

RazorEdge wrote:
That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

The event includes a question and answer section after the reveals that isn't streamed

I thought that the second stream was great. The new nighthaunt warband was awesome. The Stormcast are cool, the flesh eaters are great especially the leader with the face on his face and the halberd. While it's disappointing to only see one middle earth mini, it's the best thing they've done in ages and easily the best ringwraith sculpt they've ever done. That was the first thing at Warhammer Fest that I rated a must buy. The warcry roadmap also has me pretty excited about the future of that game.

 Snrub wrote:

Also, aside from anything else. Did anyone else find those two presenters REALLY uninspiring? No excitement coming from them at all. Like, I know they are reading from a script, but it sounded totally phoned in. Where's the hype?

Presenter #1 "So, have you been doing any hobby stuff for Warcry, Middle Earth or Underworlds lately?".

Presenter #2 "Err.. not really, no".

Big plans for Middle Earth sounds good, maybe a full Rings of Power release if they're saying there's big plans, but they're sworn to secrecy over all of it?

Leviathan looks awesome. Can't wait to miss out because of scalpers.

NorthernXY wrote:
Leviathan looks awesome. Can't wait to miss out because of scalpers.

They'll likely guarantee a box for anyone who wants one like last time.

Really even ardent warcry fans aren't likely to be "doing hobby stuff" for it very often. You get a box set and get the contents built and painted and then unless you pick up a new warband here and there you're done. Not a game that invites hours and hours of hobbying.

They should get the designers on for these streams. John Bracken used to do live streams before he worked on Underworlds. Who better to evangelize your product than the people who made it?

RazorEdge wrote:
That "Underworlds / MESB / Warcry" Stream was odd.


On the Timetable it was listed as a 1,5h stream but at the end it was only 28min.

My guess it the MESB stuff they refer to as being unable to talk about was planned to be revealed here but a last minute hiccup prevented it (eg somebody being off sick/on holiday over at new line so the appropriate form didn't get signed)

Chikout wrote:
They should get the designers on for these streams. John Bracken used to do live streams before he worked on Underworlds. Who better to evangelize your product than the people who made it?

I imagine it's all part of the push to not have identifiable people in front of the camera in case they get too big for their boots and leave to do YouTube instead.

I'm quite surprised Wade is still allowed to not wear a balaclava or something tbh.

 The Phazer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
They should get the designers on for these streams. John Bracken used to do live streams before he worked on Underworlds. Who better to evangelize your product than the people who made it?

I imagine it's all part of the push to not have identifiable people in front of the camera in case they get too big for their boots and leave to do YouTube instead.

I'm quite surprised Wade is still allowed to not wear a balaclava or something tbh.

I honestly don't think they care if people leave, they're leaving for freedom/salary, if GW was bothered enough they'd pay better.

I'm not a 40K guy, but had considered getting in with new edition box...

I must just not have the right tastes for 40K. I found the designs of the minis very juvenile.

The Barbgaunts are an absolute mess visually. Maybe the color scheme? Very hard for my eye to discern what is going on.

The Von Ryan's leapers faces are terrible. They just look like a gaunt is halfway through eating a crab and octopus sandwich or something.

The neurogaunts are ok. The Neurotyrant looks great.

On the tabletop photo, I find the space marine varieties hard to tell apart. I generally dislike miniatures with big hanging cloth that fills the space between their legs and the Sternguard are no exception. It just makes it harder for the eye to discern what it is looking at.

Terminators look great. The infernus squad is very boring visually and a strange choice. The dred looks cool. So does the librarian.

Overall, just not a box for me.

 Gallahad wrote:
I must just not have the right tastes for 40K. I found the designs of the minis very juvenile.

It's refreshing to see someone that recognises that and didn't immediately lap it all up. The Screamer-Killer in particular is pathetic - it looks like a sad, balding Predator.

 MalusCalibur wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I must just not have the right tastes for 40K. I found the designs of the minis very juvenile.

It's refreshing to see someone that recognises that and didn't immediately lap it all up. The Screamer-Killer in particular is pathetic - it looks like a sad, balding Predator.

The screamer killer is a nice nostalgic nod to the original with the modern aesthetic mixed in. There is a predator vibe there but there should be! GW tickle the nostalgias very well for us oldies at the minute. For you it’s pathetic but to me it remind me of painting that half pound of lead when I was 12.

What’s bizarre is that the shooty dread seems to have less guns than the assault dread. Of the 2, it would make way more sense to have the AA guns on the shooty dread and left the brutalis without. GW make really strange decisions sometimes.

Andykp wrote:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I must just not have the right tastes for 40K. I found the designs of the minis very juvenile.

It's refreshing to see someone that recognises that and didn't immediately lap it all up. The Screamer-Killer in particular is pathetic - it looks like a sad, balding Predator.

The screamer killer is a nice nostalgic nod to the original with the modern aesthetic mixed in. There is a predator vibe there but there should be! GW tickle the nostalgias very well for us oldies at the minute. For you it’s pathetic but to me it remind me of painting that half pound of lead when I was 12.

The SK is the one mini in the box I have a problem with. It’s in the uncanny valley of having enough callbacks to the the nostalgic sculpt, but also trying to fit in with the modern aesthetics. IMHO it falls short of either, looking out of place alongside the new guys, but not punching enough of the retro buttons to fire that desire.

It’s a moot point for me, as I play both factions in the box and love the bulk of the minis. I’m going to get and paint him anyway. But if I was buying stuff ala carte, he’d get skipped.

The barbgaunts look very very "easybuild plastic" in a way the rest of the set has managed to avoid. They should be broader like the hiveguard. I like everything else in the set. Infernus squad is a good choice for the tyrannic war storyline, what could be better when facing a swarm than ten flamethrowers?

 bullyboy wrote:
What’s bizarre is that the shooty dread seems to have less guns than the assault dread. Of the 2, it would make way more sense to have the AA guns on the shooty dread and left the brutalis without. GW make really strange decisions sometimes.

And I’m happy for this. Less is more. I’m not a big fan of the “GUNS GUNS GUNS EVERYWHERE” primaris vehicle aesthetic. Or stubbers on marines. So I’m quite happy with this step backwards towards the classic look and loadout.

It’s not that this dread has too few guns, but the brutalis one has too many. But you are not wrong that an AA mount up top would make a lot of sense on the shooty version.

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s not that this dread has too few guns, but the brutalis one has too many. But you are not wrong that an AA mount up top would make a lot of sense on the shooty version.

Perhaps these are just the options on the pushfit version and there will be a multipart kit later with a wider range of weapons

Wow, these are horrible. Such a disaster of a box

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wow, these are horrible. Such a disaster of a box

Which?

 xttz wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s not that this dread has too few guns, but the brutalis one has too many. But you are not wrong that an AA mount up top would make a lot of sense on the shooty version.

Perhaps these are just the options on the pushfit version and there will be a multipart kit later with a wider range of weapons

It would be interesting to see. And if they did, what would be included? From a SKU PoV, they could just add a TLLC/ML upgrade arm sprue into the normal redemptor box. Just so they don’t have 3 seperate kits sitting on the shelf. That way we could get the plasma gun on our shooty dread, or pair a CC option with the LC.

If they did make a full fire support dread kit, what other options could they add? Needs to be more than the pushfit to generate sales. The basic kit has the gatling and the plasma. Pushfit has the LCs. Autocannons? Alternates for the ML arm. The classic here would be TLAC.

There are a lot of ways GW could go here. Time will tell.

The barbgaunts are horrid. I don't now what their rules are, but that model will never see the field on my table. Maybe some serious conversions or proxies, but its terrible.

 Nevelon wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s not that this dread has too few guns, but the brutalis one has too many. But you are not wrong that an AA mount up top would make a lot of sense on the shooty version.

Perhaps these are just the options on the pushfit version and there will be a multipart kit later with a wider range of weapons

It would be interesting to see. And if they did, what would be included? From a SKU PoV, they could just add a TLLC/ML upgrade arm sprue into the normal redemptor box. Just so they don’t have 3 seperate kits sitting on the shelf. That way we could get the plasma gun on our shooty dread, or pair a CC option with the LC.

If they did make a full fire support dread kit, what other options could they add? Needs to be more than the pushfit to generate sales. The basic kit has the gatling and the plasma. Pushfit has the LCs. Autocannons? Alternates for the ML arm. The classic here would be TLAC.

There are a lot of ways GW could go here. Time will tell.

Something more cawlish could be interesting for a shooty dread, to distinguish from vintage boxdreads. A neo-volkite scourger, or a larger Graviton weapon.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
The barbgaunts are horrid. I don't now what their rules are, but that model will never see the field on my table. Maybe some serious conversions or proxies, but its terrible.

Curiosity here, but what puts you off so strongly?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s not that this dread has too few guns, but the brutalis one has too many. But you are not wrong that an AA mount up top would make a lot of sense on the shooty version.

Perhaps these are just the options on the pushfit version and there will be a multipart kit later with a wider range of weapons

It would be interesting to see. And if they did, what would be included? From a SKU PoV, they could just add a TLLC/ML upgrade arm sprue into the normal redemptor box. Just so they don’t have 3 seperate kits sitting on the shelf. That way we could get the plasma gun on our shooty dread, or pair a CC option with the LC.

If they did make a full fire support dread kit, what other options could they add? Needs to be more than the pushfit to generate sales. The basic kit has the gatling and the plasma. Pushfit has the LCs. Autocannons? Alternates for the ML arm. The classic here would be TLAC.

There are a lot of ways GW could go here. Time will tell.

Something more cawlish could be interesting for a shooty dread, to distinguish from vintage boxdreads. A neo-volkite scourger, or a larger Graviton weapon.

I almost included that thought in my post, but felt I was getting to wishlisty and off topic as it was. But yes, a psudo-30k “new” reintroduction of Cawltech! (tm) would be entirely in character both in-universe and from a GW marketing POV.

Not going to lie, I’d buy a neo-volkite redemptor in a heartbeat.

 Nevelon wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 MalusCalibur wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I must just not have the right tastes for 40K. I found the designs of the minis very juvenile.

It's refreshing to see someone that recognises that and didn't immediately lap it all up. The Screamer-Killer in particular is pathetic - it looks like a sad, balding Predator.

The screamer killer is a nice nostalgic nod to the original with the modern aesthetic mixed in. There is a predator vibe there but there should be! GW tickle the nostalgias very well for us oldies at the minute. For you it’s pathetic but to me it remind me of painting that half pound of lead when I was 12.

The SK is the one mini in the box I have a problem with. It’s in the uncanny valley of having enough callbacks to the the nostalgic sculpt, but also trying to fit in with the modern aesthetics. IMHO it falls short of either, looking out of place alongside the new guys, but not punching enough of the retro buttons to fire that desire.

It’s a moot point for me, as I play both factions in the box and love the bulk of the minis. I’m going to get and paint him anyway. But if I was buying stuff ala carte, he’d get skipped.

Weird isn’t it, it’s probably the only model in the nid side I like, except the basic Gaunts are good I suppose but nothing new. Don’t play nids so it’s not an issue but used to back in second and loved paint the screamer killer.

I'm no longer invested in 40k in any way, but I feel like the new Primaris Sternguard should have been the way GW remade the entire Space Marine line.

The Primaris unit:

(Also, does that one model just have a regular bolter? Is that a thing Primaris can take now?)

The original unit:


Instead of the utter messy sprawl of the current Space Marine selection, GW should have just made Primarised versions of Space Marine units (Primaris Tacticals, Primaris Assault, Primaris Devastators), instead of copying the Sigmarines' "let's have a new unit for every single new release" style.

Dudeface wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
The barbgaunts are horrid. I don't now what their rules are, but that model will never see the field on my table. Maybe some serious conversions or proxies, but its terrible.

Curiosity here, but what puts you off so strongly?

I can’t tell if it’s the pics or the paint job or the model but they look “weird”, like the proportions are all off and the shapes are all merging and not defined. Might be different in person for me, but from that pic the just look like a mess or tyranid shapes.

Just a PSA...

The 10th edition demo games at Warhammer-Fest are not what we would have hoped for. They are as watered down and basic as an in-store demo game - Core rules for Move > Shoot > Melee only using a few of the basic units from the 10th launch box only. Sadly, it seems, we will not learn much more than what we already know from posted WarCom articles.

Fethin' weaksauce.

Andykp wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
The barbgaunts are horrid. I don't now what their rules are, but that model will never see the field on my table. Maybe some serious conversions or proxies, but its terrible.

Curiosity here, but what puts you off so strongly?

I can’t tell if it’s the pics or the paint job or the model but they look “weird”, like the proportions are all off and the shapes are all merging and not defined. Might be different in person for me, but from that pic the just look like a mess or tyranid shapes.

I felt the same at first, but it's mostly because they're idiots and mostly showing them from one side and one angle, so it takes a while for it to 'click' in your mind - once you understand what you're seeing, they're alright. Not great, and with repetitive posing, but alright.



They have a weird bodyplan: three legs, two arms one one side are doing their thing with the gun, and then there's one vestigial arm on the other side just limply hanging around.

Andykp wrote:

I can’t tell if it’s the pics or the paint job or the model but they look “weird”, like the proportions are all off and the shapes are all merging and not defined. Might be different in person for me, but from that pic the just look like a mess or tyranid shapes.

I get a similar vibe from these pics, with details on some of the Tyranids looking a bit 'muddy'. I'm fairly confident this is due to the new style of paint. There's far more blended areas on these than older studio models, with the two main colours far less distinct.

 xttz wrote:

Andykp wrote:

I can’t tell if it’s the pics or the paint job or the model but they look “weird”, like the proportions are all off and the shapes are all merging and not defined. Might be different in person for me, but from that pic the just look like a mess or tyranid shapes.

I get a similar vibe from these pics, with details on some of the Tyranids looking a bit 'muddy'. I'm fairly confident this is due to the new style of paint. There's far more blended areas on these than older studio models, with the two main colours far less distinct.

It's also because the two new gaunt types are both actually two beings melded together - the Neurogaunts have some sort of larva/worm stuck to their backs, and the Barbgaunt text mentions their gun being a 'organism that enslaved the gaunt' - the picture above also shows some weird brain-blob with the blue paintjob that seems to signify psychic/synaptic activity this time around boring itself into the gaunt's head.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
New Sternguard are an update to a classic power armoured Marine unit instead of just a Primaris proxy with elements from proper Marines. Am I mistaking in that it should put theories about the squatting of old Marines to rest?

The primaris Marines are Primaris marines, but man I loath the sternguard kit and everything it represents. Like, so much of how sternguard as a kit and a rules entity is antithetical to Primaris and modern GW kit design. Currently, the sternguard can use every man-portable gun in the firstborn have.

You do realize that just letting the unit use whatever guns is the exception, not the rule, to how GW writes now, right?

The barbgaunts have an awkward three-legged dog thing going on, and their weapon arrangement doesn't fit very well into the previously-established visual language for Tyranids (ie. stuff like Exocrines or Biovores having their big weapon parasite central and dorsal, or stuff like Hive Guard lugging it around like a rifle). They're also jumbling up the mostly-separated "psychic" and "artillery" vibes by featuring both the psyker-steroids-brain and a big ass gun.

I think they would have been a lot better with four limbs touching the ground and only one limb integrated into the "rocket launcher". And get that cranium outta here.

No too excited about the nids tbh. The Winged Tyranid Prime, leapers and termagaunts seem like the best of the bunch to me, but the rest is weird. It's a bummer, too, because in concept I really like the idea of more convoluted bio constructs that don't map easily on the body plans we are used to seeing as humans, but these just don't work for some reason.

The barbgaunts are probably the worst in terms of design, but the neuro gaunts are not stellar either, nor do I particularly care about the psychophage or the SC.

The Neurotyrant is somewhere in the middle. I really like the design, but I'd probably need to do some converting here and there to make it my own.

Call me old but I'll miss the old Sternguards, since the new ones are not given a new name/have primaris in their name, I assume the old ones would be superseded.

I think it might be a bit 'underdone' with the decorations? If I want to tune things down a bit, I can always use bits from Tac/Intercessors to make them 'clean'. If I buy Sternguards, I want those lovely overthetop details. Old Sternguard don't exactly look perfect but they are a great souce for kitbashing. Now with the new ones replacing them, guess I'll have to go for other sources.

Dread it's bit of off, legs too obvious, but I think it's just cuz I haven't got used to it. It should grow on me, all dreads tend to.

No comment on nids.

Surprisingly I'm rather bored with the SM side of this box.

Slightly bigger versions of Terminators we already have. Primaris Sternguard (yawn). Flamer Intercessors (Flamer Aggressors exist and have power fists). The only things that interest me are the Redemptor and Gravis Apothecary..

Meanwhile, on the Nid side, we get a flying Tyranid Prime (which really makes me hopeful that we'll get new Shrikes), synaptic bodyguards, mini-Lictors, refreshed Gaunts. Not all of them are winners (Screamer Killer...I prefer the Carnifex version), but it seems like the design team was a lot more inspired on the Tyranid side.

Don't get me wrong, I don't HATE any of it, but the 9th launch box was a lot more exciting in so many ways for me.

 Altruizine wrote:
The barbgaunts have an awkward three-legged dog thing going on, and their weapon arrangement doesn't fit very well into the previously-established visual language for Tyranids (ie. stuff like Exocrines or Biovores having their big weapon parasite central and dorsal, or stuff like Hive Guard lugging it around like a rifle). They're also jumbling up the mostly-separated "psychic" and "artillery" vibes by featuring both the psyker-steroids-brain and a big ass gun.

I think they would have been a lot better with four limbs touching the ground and only one limb integrated into the "rocket launcher". And get that cranium outta here.

The Barbgaunts are growing on me, as I’m seeing them as kind of ants infected with Cordyceps, rather than something initially bred that way. Like the Hive Mind takes some regular Termagants, and “infects” them with the parasite weapon, which then alters its host’s body to better support its bulk.

Only head canon of course.

What I like about the Space Marine side of the box is that the new units seem to be there to replace the old ones and not an expansion of an existing range. Nobody in this universe or the next needs 100+ units in their roster.

I'm a little cold on both sides of the box.
The nids are more detailed, but have a lot of cruft (and I suspect won't work well with the painting style I used on my old nids). Plus there's outright losers like the leapers and several of the gaunt variants. The screamer-killer looks scrawny (but I'll admit that might be daft photo composition).

The marines are... eh? Fine-ish. (I do like the apothecary, but the other characters need alternate helmets and/or non-nid bases and bits).
Terminators and sternguard are fine replacements, but it mostly makes me wonder why they didn't do this in the first place.

The dread reminds me of some battletech mechs, particularly the clan Vulture, where once you take away the normal weapons array, it just looks weird and leggy.

SM really didn't need another new unit, let alone a SM version of burna boys. Ride up, jump out, flame something, get shot and/or charged and tied up for the rest of the game. Exciting!

I’d have to check the older fluff for how comprehensive it was, but IIRC there used to be a lot more symbiotic/parasitic/chimeric mashups going on. These days I think they gloss over a lot of that. Yes they use bio weapons, but it’s not highlighted as much.

Seems with the new box it’s a lot more front and center..

The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I do find Space Marine side bit weird in combosition. There is lot of elite units and then the "main" unit is all-flamer unit that is just so specific that its hard to think it as "mainstay" unit. Although I do think Inferno Squad is going to be see some action.

And then tyranids are just awesome and it has mix of units that look just like a army that can go in any direction (maybe) .

Billicus wrote:
The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I think it’s because the arms don’t really come below the torso, making the legs look longer.

I’d imagine next to its chassis mates, the legs won’t look unusually long.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Barbgaunt text mentions their gun being a 'organism that enslaved the gaunt' - the picture above also shows some weird brain-blob with the blue paintjob that seems to signify psychic/synaptic activity this time around boring itself into the gaunt's head.

The blue thing on the back of the Barbgaunt is what the gaunt and the bioweapon are both slaved to.

I personally love the Barbgaunts, because for once, the host creature looks like it's slaved to the bioweapon and not vice versa. They look like I always imagined Tyranid biology working - sort of cobbled together for a specific purpose, limited in function and a little misshapen because of that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Billicus wrote:
The dreadnought IS a bit leggy. I can't unsee it now.

I think it’s because the arms don’t really come below the torso, making the legs look longer.

I’d imagine next to its chassis mates, the legs won’t look unusually long.

In a side-by-side comparison it's easy to see that the Brutalis has heavier armour on the legs and 'hips' - additional 'hip' armour, rims on the kneecaps, sturdier greaves.

Don't really get the dislike for the Barbgaunts. They don't wow me, but it seems like a fairly standard "Tyranid with a big gun".

Neurogaunts feel like the big loser to me. It might be the paint scheme but they look awful. Like something from 15-20 years ago.

Marines are Marines and they don't do very much for me. The Gravis Apothecary is probably my favourite, I could maybe see myself buying that to convert up in a Creations of Bile list. I don't mind the Dreadnought - but I've always liked "leggy" Mechs.

 Eldarsif wrote:
What I like about the Space Marine side of the box is that the new units seem to be there to replace the old ones and not an expansion of an existing range. Nobody in this universe or the next needs 100+ units in their roster.

Except for the Burnycessors, BigHellfire, and Sciencacary...

Tyel wrote:
Don't really get the dislike for the Barbgaunts. They don't wow me, but it seems like a fairly standard "Tyranid with a big gun".

Neurogaunts feel like the big loser to me. It might be the paint scheme but they look awful. Like something from 15-20 years ago.

Marines are Marines and they don't do very much for me. The Gravis Apothecary is probably my favourite, I could maybe see myself buying that to convert up in a Creations of Bile list. I don't mind the Dreadnought - but I've always liked "leggy" Mechs.

Funny how that works but Neurogants are the clear winners for me.
Fresh take on concepts, alien and scary like, smaller than current gaunts has they always should have been. This is for me the best example of swarm like alien creatures nids should be.

Thing I like most about the neurogaunts IS the paint scheme. The pinkier look for hive fleet leviathan is really resonating with me for some reason.

Neurotyrant is the clearer winner for me. They did a good job of it looking like a 'bigger, commanding Zoanthrope' while still being it's own beast.

The Psychophage is okay. Looks like somebody sculpted it in CAD off the Venomcrawler though. I don't really like modern GW's obsession with that blue smoke. I like the mass of mouth, very creepy, very appropriate.

Barbgaunts just look awkward and busy, which is probably the paint job's fault but my eyes don't really know which part they're meant to focus on.

I don't know what I think about the Neurogaunts. Nice concept, but they sort of remind me of what a company like Mantic or Kromlech would put out as their spin on Not-Gaunts.

Even the worst parts of it are more interesting than the marine half. I was surprised how much I don't dislike the Apothecary, I thought he'd look a lot worse in model form but the gravis armour looks less awkward on the actual model. Terminator Captain is nice. Everything else I'm indifferent to.

Barbgaunts are too slender, they should be a bit stocky, or at least posed to have the legs braced. They look to lop sided and prone to fall over.

Also their name is an absolute joke. Tyranids have a long history of having female names.

Termagant means a harsh-tempered or overbearing woman. So using Gaunt like this just looks silly.

Hormagaunt gets a pass as it is taken from an old sci-fi book, can't recall the name or the author.

I wonder if that chaos marine to the right of the new set of preview silhouettes is for Kill team or a World Eaters praetor type for HH?

To the left is clear a redesigned Knight of the White Wolf for the Old World, so it looks like the preview might cover the Empire (and perhaps even the new starter set). Certainly opens up what might be in the new box rather than Brets vs Tomb Kings.