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Zond wrote:The graphic is certainly helpful. Now if I knew how the armies played, a bit more of the background rivalries... And my idea of all humans is probably dead.  So far I'm looking at a British Isles four way or a Norse, Snakemen, Byzantine split. Though I assume the beast guys screw with the Norse so I could chuck them in.
I'm working on it... in the meantime, this may help (taken from the project's front page):
The Albainn represent the people the Romans called the Pictii, the Painted, who inhabit the far north of modern-day Scotland. The Angelcynn are the Angles that settled the north and east of Britain and eventually gave their name to that kingdom, England. The Brythoniaid are the original Britons, pushed back by the invading Anglo-Saxons to the north and west of the land, and now called the Welsh. The Byzantii are the remnants of the Roman Empire in the east, the Byzantines, who have allied themselves with the enemies of the one god - the Infernii - to reconquer the lost lands of the western empire.
The Fomoraic represent the evil Fomorians, the devils from the sea bent on conquering the lands above the water at any cost and whose leader, Baalor, has based himself on Toraigh, the Tory Island of the north-west Irish coast. The Khthones are the once-slaves of Atalantia, a race of lizards and reptiles bound by cold blood to destroy their enslavers, the Atalantes, and to find lands of their own in Europe. You will know Atalantia as Atlantis, situated off the coast of Ireland and Britain in the dark lands. The Norse are our own northmen, vikings if you will, come to conquer the soft lands of the west in their longships from scandinavia. The Ysians are the Cornish (Kernow) and Breton (Ys) peoples who have turned their backs on their fellow Britons to follow their own path.
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More to come...
Cheers
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Bossk_Hogg wrote:The prices on the add ons in the graphic look off. I thought it was 20% off, not 10%. Either way, its good to see you can put together a starter host for around $150. Anyone know if some factions play more monster heavy than others? Ysian seems to point that way, but not sure.
Khthones have no "normal" infantry (at least not yet), so they're all monstrous infantry and larger.
Ysians can go monster heavy, but they currently have more human-sized infantry units (2) than any other kindred (ax-drunes and bow-drunes). I think they do rely on their monsters to do a lot of their heavy lifting, but I haven't run a 15-man ax-drune unit yet so that might be misleading.
Fomoraic seems to be quite monster heavy compared to the others, but it might be because they seem to have the most developed kindred (three kin - Sronax, Tarvax, and Gabrax - with a fourth - Warriors of Baalor - in development).
Angelcynn (so far) are the most light on monsters, as they only have the Guthwulf and the Freawulf from KS2. The Albiann also only have two monsters, but they're only just beginning as a kindred and aren't as detailed as the others yet.
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Post by: PEARSCW
I will add that Brythoniads can run a large number of monsters. They have some of the largest montrous infantrty with the Dyndraig, the Cawrdraig are large, and there are 4 large beasts, a Dragon, a Gwyfern, a Wocor and Tawrdraig.
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Post by: Alpharius
The "Recommended Loadouts" look great - thanks for that!
Also, any more details on this:
Clearly (?) Kthones, but...anything else on him?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Prior to the current KS beginning, I had been hoping we'd get a Savrar (lizard man) unit for the Khthon just to mix things up size- wise.
At least that way you could have something to be considered "normal" infantry.
Maybe if funding gets high enough we'll still see some.
I hope we can see a sculpt for Agriosavra soon. I'm curious how he'll stack up compared to the humans in Darklands.
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Post by: razormage
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Prior to the current KS beginning, I had been hoping we'd get a Savrar (lizard man) unit for the Khthon just to mix things up size- wise.
At least that way you could have something to be considered "normal" infantry.
Maybe if funding gets high enough we'll still see some.
I hope we can see a sculpt for Agriosavra soon. I'm curious how he'll stack up compared to the humans in Darklands.
I think he's next on the list for Roberto Chaudon, after Angedern is done (which was supposedly last Friday). I'm eager to see how he looks as well! I was thinking we'd see Savrar as the Khthonic focus for this Kickstarter, but Mierce went Krokodar instead (not necessarily a bad thing).
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Post by: Looky Likey
Does anybody know how many gold points the really big beasts like Angrislaug cost?
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Post by: PEARSCW
Looky, Angrislaug is 621 gold.
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If you check the musters you can see all the gold costs. They also tell you at the very bottom of each unit entry what models are for that entry
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Ooh ta! Looks like I'll have quite sizable armies then!
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Post by: Alpharius
PEARSCW wrote:Looky, Angrislaug is 621 gold.
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If you check the musters you can see all the gold costs. They also tell you at the very bottom of each unit entry what models are for that entry
I looked but didn't see him!
Which one is he in?
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 Alpharius wrote:PEARSCW wrote:Looky, Angrislaug is 621 gold. Automatically Appended Next Post: If you check the musters you can see all the gold costs. They also tell you at the very bottom of each unit entry what models are for that entry
I looked but didn't see him! Which one is he in?
Angrislaug is her name. The beasty is listed as a Draiggoch in the muster - it should tell you the valid available models under each unit profile.
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Post by: PEARSCW
Angrislaug is a Draiggoch, he is found on the 2nd to last page of the Brythoniad muster.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Very nice explanation of forces and recommended sets to get with the KS! Thanks so much!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Maybe I'm blind, but where are the gold prices listed?
I was checking out the Khthon muster, and was having difficulty making heads or tails of it. Obviously it would help if I read the rules more thoroughly.
I noticed multiple sheets for the same character as well. Thought that was odd.
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zedmeister wrote: Alpharius wrote:PEARSCW wrote:Looky, Angrislaug is 621 gold.
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If you check the musters you can see all the gold costs. They also tell you at the very bottom of each unit entry what models are for that entry
I looked but didn't see him!
Which one is he in?
Angrislaug is her name. The beasty is listed as a Draiggoch in the muster - it should tell you the valid available models under each unit profile.
PEARSCW wrote:Angrislaug is a Draiggoch, he is found on the 2nd to last page of the Brythoniad muster.
Got it now - thanks guys!
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Post by: Elemental
I find it amusing how weedy Ulmons looks next to the dragon. 
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Post by: RiTides
Zond wrote:The graphic is certainly helpful. Now if I knew how the armies played, a bit more of the background rivalries... And my idea of all humans is probably dead. So far I'm looking at a British Isles four way or a Norse, Snakemen, Byzantine split. Though I assume the beast guys screw with the Norse so I could chuck them in.
Yeah, that graphic is really great!
Is there an easy way to tell what monstrous infantry fit with these normal infantry units? For example, with Fomoraic.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that question...
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Post by: RiTides
On the KS3 page, I see in the graphic small, human infantry in Foromaic's position. However, I thought each army had both monstrous big infantry and human sized infantry. So, I was asking which monstrous big infantry unit goes with Foromaic, and if there is anywhere easy to see this.
(Sorry if it's obvious )
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
The best place to find them is on the Mierce website. On the right side you can pick the Fomoraic faction, and then scroll down to see the monstrous infantry. They have the bull-men, Tarvax, and the rhino-men, Sronax.
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Post by: skullking
 razormage wrote:
Ysians can go monster heavy, but they currently have more human-sized infantry units (2) than any other kindred (ax-drunes and bow-drunes).
You are correct that the Ysians have the most human sized infantry units, but you forgot about the goad-drunes and the Melusines. Their only monstrous infantry so far is the brute unit, until we reach 80k.
As much as I would love to get the mallax & scout drune units, I want Mierce to focus on the armies like the albainn a lot more in this kickstarter. Hopefully after 82,500£ we'll see it play out more in the weaker factions favor ( ie, 1-2 units for the Albainn, the byzantii, and a few more beasts for the angelcynn right away, with a sprinkling of stuff for my formorians & Ysians).
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So far all the Formaic have are big uns.
All the smaller stuff is from KS2 and the soon to be produced 2.5 guys.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
These will the the (roughly) human sized Fomoric troops from KS2
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Post by: Alpharius
 RiTides wrote:On the KS3 page, I see in the graphic small, human infantry in Foromaic's position. However, I thought each army had both monstrous big infantry and human sized infantry. So, I was asking which monstrous big infantry unit goes with Foromaic, and if there is anywhere easy to see this.
(Sorry if it's obvious )
It was probably just me 'not getting it'!
But yes, the Fomoraic Kindred has AWESOME monstrous infantry!
Sronax
Tarvax
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So why do they seem to have actual "humans" in the current campaign? I like the above quite a bit, but wouldn't envision humans working with these kind of goat-folks 
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Post by: razormage
The Fomoriac are a race that breeds humans and animal. The Gabrax (goat-men), Tarvax (cow-men), Sronax (rhino-men), Mallax (sloth-men), Mammax (elephant-men), and Walvax (walrus-men) are all bound beneath Baalor, who is a Fomoraic diety who also has sway over men. Thus, a Scion of Baalor (a creature infused with Baalor's energy) can call any of them to fight with him. In game terms, generally you can see them in the same army, but there will be a Tarvax Tain (hero choice, in WFB terms) with a unit of Tarvax marching beneath the command of a Warriors of Baalor Untain (lord choice).
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Post by: Alpharius
As of right now, only the KTHONES do not have 'regular humans' in their armies.
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Post by: plastictrees
Hard to tell from most pictures, but the Sronax are freaking huge.
Incidentally, would Tarvax be on 40mm bases now that Mierce have introduced those?
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Post by: decker_cky
Bigger than a bloodthirster (minus wings).
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 plastictrees wrote:Hard to tell from most pictures, but the Sronax are freaking huge. Incidentally, would Tarvax be on 40mm bases now that Mierce have introduced those?
The Tarvax are now on 50mm bases they were originally supplied with 60mm but moved down once Mierce had the full range available (the one below is on a 60 so as you can see a 40 would be too small) 
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Post by: Alpharius
Brugbad, Albainn Oghurithne Champion:
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Post by: drazz
Well, that about did it I think.
Savage, nearly (or sometimes) naked, feral, humans with big canine teeth that are allied with ogre-types and primitive giants all worshipping huge stones that they actually care enough about to carry with them.
Yeah, I think that did it.
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Post by: Zond
Does one of the Rhino men have a scrotum?
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@Drazz - good man!
@Zond - they have tiny little rhino-man todgers. So some do, yes ;o)
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Sold! 10charrhinotadgerftw
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Post by: cincydooley
Everything does.
Even Leofwyn's harp has a little deer boner.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Two of my sronax don't have anything left between their legs.
First one that got snipped, I thought it was a piece of flash hanging on the back of the loincloth, and it got clipped off.
Second one, his willy got snapped off when I was trying to get the loincloth in place between his legs, and there was a bit of flash jammed up in his crotch. I wrestled with the clippers to get as much off in one snip as I could. Snap.
My rhinos are very angry these days.
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Post by: Alpharius
Many (Most? All?) of Mierce's figures are anatomically correct.
Some more comically so than others, but yeah - nature baby!
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Post by: Zond
That's what happens when you only pledge for the human units from the previous two kickstarters. You get boobs and pecs and the armour covers the rest. You miss out on the sweet, sweet monster dong.
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Post by: zedmeister
highlord tamburlaine wrote:Two of my sronax don't have anything left between their legs.
First one that got snipped, I thought it was a piece of flash hanging on the back of the loincloth, and it got clipped off.
Second one, his willy got snapped off when I was trying to get the loincloth in place between his legs, and there was a bit of flash jammed up in his crotch. I wrestled with the clippers to get as much off in one snip as I could. Snap.
My rhinos are very angry these days.
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Post by: cincydooley
Hey, with this KS you can get a human model sportin wood.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Reminds me of a skinny one headed version of the troll from war craft II.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
For those who Facebook there is now an unofficial Mierce Militia page/group to post on https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mierce-Militia/470997013001183?fref=ts
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Post by: razormage
Dudda, Wælwulf Howler
  
Benoît Cosse's been hard at work getting the Wælwulfas sculpted, and here's the next one to progress - Dudda, the Wælwulf Howler. He's a herald, a musician if you will - his howls signal their intent!
There's two Wælwulfas to sculpt after this one, so Benoît is getting there. We think they'll be done by the end of April, and hopefully sent out very quickly after that!
Geraint Nerthol, Teyrn of Cedweli
Simon Bradley's painted up Geraint Nerthol for us! He's looking great in colour.
Hywel Hir, Bannerman of Gwynedd
Simon's also painted up his mate Hywel, as you can see. He's done a great job!
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More WIPs and Stuff!
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We've tons of awesome work in progress images for you this week, not the least of which is Allan Carrasco's work on the Norse commanders; but don't see the trees for the wood, because there's the usual news of fulfilment - and of our current Kickstarter project, Darklands: First Edition II...
Idruaada, Warlock Lord of Baalor
Gauthier Giroud has just about finished Idruaada, barring cuts and minor things, which is awesome! He's certainly done a great job on our Warlock Lord.
Idruaada is a Wave 1 shipment, so you'll have to wait until June to get your hands on him.
Thillia, Portent of Khthon
Hector Moran is going great guns at the moment! Not only has he just about finished the herald of the unit, Thillia, he's started work on the first warrior too!
Again, the Dawn of Khthon will be shipped in June along with other Wave 1 items.
Phyllidii, Gorgórar of Khthon
Here's that first warrior of the unit, Phyllidii. As you can see, she's stunning!
As with the rest, Phyllidii is a Wave 1 shipment. There's just Elthissi left...
Knútr of Víkin, Skipari of Hrafnen
Now here is something blimmin' stupendous. Allan Carrasco - fresh from producing a masterpiece in the form of Jörmungand - has now started work on the Norse humans... and... well... just look.
Knútr will be done soon enough but, of course, he's a Wave 1 doozer, so he won't be with you until June.
Rollo Iron Head, Filungi of Hrafnen
Allan's also started work on Rollo, although it's early days yet.
Again, Rollo will be sent to you as part of Wave 1.
Zethag of Carn Dhu, Harvest-Drune
Our most foul and disgusting muddy funster yet is Zethag of Carn Dhu. Revolting, yes. Fantastic, yes. Stéphane Simon is clearly enjoying his work...
Note the pudenda hanging from her belt and, of course, the spuds in her hand... disgusting. But awesome, all at the same time... think about the fun you could have painting them!
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Update!
Update #14
Mar 28 2014
£65,000 - Parawn, Draigllai
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£60,000 has now been passed - a superb effort from everyone! - which means the Fomoraic unit, The Eye Ascendant, will now be produced.
To celebrate, here's what you can get at £65,000...
Parawn ( PA-rown) is a lesser dragon, a Draigllai (DRAYG-chly) and fights for the Brythoniaid.
Increase your pledge by £40 if you've chosen a gold reward, and by £45 if you've gone for a bronze reward!
Parawn will ship in January 2015 along with the second "wave" of Darklands: First Edition II pledges.
The next stretch goal will be unveiled at £62,500...
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Post by: yxalitis
GIMME THAT DRAGON!
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Post by: RiTides
Allan Carrasco is my hero... first Jörmungand, now that Norse model... really love his work.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Curious as to how stable that dragon is going to be. Even if his tail gets glued down, I might be tempted to put a clear rod somewhere on the base to help support him.
I always worry about flying models. There's a reason we tend to see most dragon figures on the ground!
I figure if anyone can figure out how to make it work, Mierce's sculptors will be up to the task!
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Post by: Trodax
So much awesome. That Norse Knutr badass is just amazing. My guess is this new dragon will be a keeper too.
I decided to go in for the 'All The Units' pledge level on KS2.5 here, it looks like a fantastic deal to me (had to do an unloading on ebay to afford it, though).
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Knutr is pretty badass. I wish he was fatter like his art suggested, as it would have fit a buddy's D&D character perfectly. Anyone got a link to a good mini for a fat viking with an axe?
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Post by: Alpharius
The Norse stuff is quickly becoming 'can't miss'/'star of the show' for me.
And eventually going to get "Sky Ships" too - way down the road!
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Bossk_Hogg wrote:Knutr is pretty badass. I wish he was fatter like his art suggested, as it would have fit a buddy's D&D character perfectly. Anyone got a link to a good mini for a fat viking with an axe?
I wouldn't write him off just yet, I suspect, given the rather "Ken" condition of his undercarriage that this is the scaffold that has a lot of detail to be added, so a portly finished article could still very well be on the cards.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
another bit of troll concept art
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Post by: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly
Personally I think Idruaada (who I bought in the last kickstarter along with all the other Fomoraic characters) looks a little below par for the usual high quality. I have just assembled my Tarvax, and apart from some mold lines and a couple fixable bubbles, the sculpts are just so crisp and finely detailed. Idruaada just looks a little soft around the edges by comparison. Hopefully it's just the photos. In any case the progress on Manaan looked amazing, I'm sure the mounted model will be even cooler, and I'm very excited for the new warriors. Got into this KS for the same amount as the last one!
Does anyone know if the Tarvax Untain (ie the general) is also moving down to a 50mm base? I need to order some 50mm and am not sure if he should be on one as well.
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Alpharius wrote:The Norse stuff is quickly becoming 'can't miss'/'star of the show' for me.
And eventually going to get "Sky Ships" too - way down the road!
When I saw Carrasco was the sculptor, I knew they'd be solid.
He's pretty much exceeded every expectation, though.
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Post by: Ken Oakley
Sky ships! What Sky ships? This sounds exciting. Is there any details?
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I just received my final pieces from KS1. The quality is fantastic I was holding off on getting into KS2.5. It looks like i'm back in. The miniatures are to great to pass up.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
inspired by this I think (Slaine, 200AD)
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Damn those sexy Norse. They destroy my plan for collecting all the Brits. Now I'm confused.
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I'm still always impressed by the quality of those early Slaine stories, especially compared to what was getting doled out on both sides of the Atlantic.
I've still got the recent reprints of Time Killer and The King sitting on my shelf, waiting to be read. But then I need to reread the first book as well. And then I HAVE to follow those up with The Horned God, and the cycle never seems to end.
I keep hoping Mierce does a figure that is basically Slaine. Question is, what faction would he be? A sellsword maybe?
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Slaine should be some sort of Formor outcast. May as well make Conan, a former Byzantii slave.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote:Curious as to how stable that dragon is going to be. Even if his tail gets glued down, I might be tempted to put a clear rod somewhere on the base to help support him.
I always worry about flying models. There's a reason we tend to see most dragon figures on the ground!
I figure if anyone can figure out how to make it work, Mierce's sculptors will be up to the task!
Most likely there'll be a large incorporated base like the most famous tail-sitting dragon: The Titan Dragon:
I have that mini, it's freaking huge, and has never given me an concerns as to it's stablity
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Post by: overtyrant
I want Snakemen... throws money at screen then runs off..... are they part of this KS? Also what dimensions are they. Im referring to the Snakemen of course and yeah I'll go have a look at the KS page.
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Post by: Azreal13
The main Khthones unit for this KS are the Crocodile Men. The Snakemen were funded last time round, but if you pledge, you can order them at 20% off in the pledge manager once the project is finished.
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Slaine would be Erainne (Irish) I would imagine, and I'd guess that we'd be more likely to see a Cu Chulainn.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Reading through the Khthon musters, we need a lot more units. A LOT.
Considering how many races/ variations they've got going on, and depending on if you take a certain character as your leader, that type of figure is supposed to be a mainstay unit.
We need hydras, various gorgon types, liskars, savrars, some sort of Krokodar leader to muster all his croc buddies...
I do like the fact that it looks like we can have Angedern run a full Draig group. No more pesky humans in my armies!
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Glad you're enjoying it all guys.
 I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Personally I think Idruaada (who I bought in the last kickstarter along with all the other Fomoraic characters) looks a little below par for the usual high quality. I have just assembled my Tarvax, and apart from some mold lines and a couple fixable bubbles, the sculpts are just so crisp and finely detailed. Idruaada just looks a little soft around the edges by comparison. Hopefully it's just the photos. In any case the progress on Manaan looked amazing, I'm sure the mounted model will be even cooler, and I'm very excited for the new warriors. Got into this KS for the same amount as the last one!
Sadly, Gauthier's photos aren't great; I'm pretty sure he'll be awesome in the flesh.
I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Does anyone know if the Tarvax Untain (ie the general) is also moving down to a 50mm base? I need to order some 50mm and am not sure if he should be on one as well.
Yes, Ckaarakk should be on a 50mm base; remember that, if you have one, we'll give you one for free to cover it. You can still use him on a 60mm in the game of course.
Zond wrote:Slaine should be some sort of Formor outcast. May as well make Conan, a former Byzantii slave.
If there were a Sláine type character, he'd be Érainn.
Cheers
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Mierce Miniatures wrote:
I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Does anyone know if the Tarvax Untain (ie the general) is also moving down to a 50mm base? I need to order some 50mm and am not sure if he should be on one as well.
Yes, Ckaarakk should be on a 50mm base; remember that, if you have one, we'll give you one for free to cover it. You can still use him on a 60mm in the game of course.
Thanks for answering my question! Big fan of your models, had a blast assembling some yesterday and should be painting them today. How do I go about exchanging my 60mm darklands bases for 50mm? I've got the 5 tarvax + their untain, who all came with 60mm bases.
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I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Mierce Miniatures wrote:
I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Does anyone know if the Tarvax Untain (ie the general) is also moving down to a 50mm base? I need to order some 50mm and am not sure if he should be on one as well.
Yes, Ckaarakk should be on a 50mm base; remember that, if you have one, we'll give you one for free to cover it. You can still use him on a 60mm in the game of course.
Thanks for answering my question! Big fan of your models, had a blast assembling some yesterday and should be painting them today. How do I go about exchanging my 60mm darklands bases for 50mm? I've got the 5 tarvax + their untain, who all came with 60mm bases.
Good question!
I've got the same unit that needs 50MM bases, as well as the Tarask!
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I think just send them an e-mail or a message through KS and they will add them onto a future order (that's what they did for me, anyway).
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I got my first batch (and second batch, *cough*) of Mierce models yesterday, to test drive before seriously pledging to the campaign. Now I'm trying to figure out how much I can spend before my wife throttles me.
Wow. 
I think I get it now, the almost slavish devotion to these models. I could already tell that the sculpts and poses are exceptional (obvious from the pictures), but in hand, they are incredibly detailed and extremely well cast. Barely any mold lines, very little flash, no bubbles - and the details are riveting. And minuscule. Really impressive. They are also extremely fiddly in assembly (are there instructions anywhere?), but that's to be expected.
My only problem will be painting them. As others have mentioned, my paltry skills are going to butcher these beautiful figures. Oh well.
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 azreal13 wrote:The main Khthones unit for this KS are the Crocodile Men. The Snakemen were funded last time round, but if you pledge, you can order them at 20% off in the pledge manager once the project is finished.
Thanks, decided to go in at the 100 quid sweet spot. Still haven't had a chance to have a look at everything yet but will check out stretch goals/freebies later on.
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 SavageRobby wrote:
I got my first batch (and second batch, *cough*) of Mierce models yesterday, to test drive before seriously pledging to the campaign. Now I'm trying to figure out how much I can spend before my wife throttles me.
Wow.
I think I get it now, the almost slavish devotion to these models. I could already tell that the sculpts and poses are exceptional (obvious from the pictures), but in hand, they are incredibly detailed and extremely well cast. Barely any mold lines, very little flash, no bubbles - and the details are riveting. And minuscule. Really impressive. They are also extremely fiddly in assembly (are there instructions anywhere?), but that's to be expected.
My only problem will be painting them. As others have mentioned, my paltry skills are going to butcher these beautiful figures. Oh well.
Re painting.
While I make no claims to being award winning standard or anything, I can credit painting Krull with almost single handedly elevating my skill to the next level. I agree it is easy to be intimidated, but the flip side is that if you're determined to do the model justice, it can really help focus and motivate you to improve. A Mierce model was also the first model I ever stopped painting half way, stripped, and started over, beforehand I'd have simply forged ahead and tried to adapt whatever I felt was wrong and ended up with a finished mini that wasn't necessarily what I had set out to achieve.
So I guess you can approach it two ways, be intimidated, or have it be a spur to get better. Automatically Appended Next Post: overtyrant wrote: azreal13 wrote:The main Khthones unit for this KS are the Crocodile Men. The Snakemen were funded last time round, but if you pledge, you can order them at 20% off in the pledge manager once the project is finished.
Thanks, decided to go in at the 100 quid sweet spot. Still haven't had a chance to have a look at everything yet but will check out stretch goals/freebies later on.
I doubt you'll regret it. I've got a (Norse) opponent lined up for my Fomoraic to tackle once all the stuff is delivered/painted etc, but even if you never meet a other Darklands player, you'll still own some fantastic minis. I'm trying to limit my purchases to my faction to try and keep spending sensible, but I still can't help being a model magpie and have little bits and pieces from all over (and being a 40K daemons player, there's loads of great counts as models for GDs and Princes, in fact, using Krull as a Bloodthirster back when he was just a Banebeast was the inspiration for starting the army in the first place!)
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SavageRobby wrote:
I got my first batch (and second batch, *cough*) of Mierce models yesterday, to test drive before seriously pledging to the campaign.
What did you end up getting?
I'm trying to finish the couple dozen Hordes figures I've started before I get to all the Mierce figures I've built (since I couldn't wait to get them out of the boxes).
Now that I've got that God damned With Lord Terminus out of the way, I can't make up my mind if I want to work on scales or fur, because it seems like I've got an overabundance of both types of figures.
Nevermind all the Ysians that keep cropping up in my mailbox too...
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I just realised I still have my KS 2 pledge to manage in the store, and I'm cracking on with my KS1 Ysian humans and Angelcynn. And now I'm torn on this one. Damn you Mierce for making so many good models and ruining my plans.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Alpharius / I Bounty Hunt the Elderly - just send an e-mail to contact@mierce-miniatures.com, telling me what bases you need, and I'll sort it!
Cheers
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Post by: cincydooley
No kidding, right? Because of the way Alph and I are splitting the "all of the things" pledge, I may need to go look at some of the Ysian stuff that exists to fill out my forces.
Not to mention I know Alph and I are both doing Norse and Angles, too. There's just so much good stuff.
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Newest surprise:
And at 3 for 48, that's not too shabby of deal. B2GOF Mantic style savings to be had here!
Edited to spoiler the giant picture.
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Not a fan of the Ogre for the Scots, but nice savings.
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azreal13 wrote:While I make no claims to being award winning standard or anything, I can credit painting Krull with almost single handedly elevating my skill to the next level. I agree it is easy to be intimidated, but the flip side is that if you're determined to do the model justice, it can really help focus and motivate you to improve. A Mierce model was also the first model I ever stopped painting half way, stripped, and started over, beforehand I'd have simply forged ahead and tried to adapt whatever I felt was wrong and ended up with a finished mini that wasn't necessarily what I had set out to achieve.
So I guess you can approach it two ways, be intimidated, or have it be a spur to get better.
I agree. I've come to a place where my painting is what it is. Improvements come in leaps and bounds - when its comes, but improvement is kind of random. Some days the brush totally bends to my will, some days I'm a total hack.
I am looking forward to painting some of these.
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What did you end up getting?
Hmm, lets see. My "small" batch consists of:
Ulric the Defiler
Eirik Longaxe
AEthelglyth, Warrior-Maiden
Meloda Warrior-Queen of Mercie
Kernuor, Seer-Drune
Vilthiss, Champion of Khthon
Issithill, Agitator of Khthon
Hirakoth, Pentarch of Ydron
Kadamastar, Ancient Devourer
Gwyddol, Dyndraig of Gwaelod
Clundwr, Dyndraig of Gwaelod
Naegannwg Tândyndraig of Gwaelod
It turned out to be bigger than I remembered.
I assembled most of them today, actually, and primed a few. Despite my initial "oh my god" moment when unpacking them, assembling was much easier than I was expecting, and the fits are really, really nice. I still have Kadamaster (to pin the legs, or not to pin?) and Naegannwg to put together, and I'm trying to find one of Gwyddol (it was missing or I lost it).
The only thing I'm not excited about are the bases, but those are easily replaced. I love the Khthon models, but they're definitely wobby (and fragile), and need basing, so thats my next priority.
I'm definitely in, now. Even convinced the wife of "quality over quantity" approach.
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That's a nice pile of Mierce you got there!
I went Mazikilias instead of Kadamastar. Just how big is that crocodile compared to some of those figures?
I ended up pinning most of my Khthon to the base, that way they were a little less wobbly, sticking the pin on the bottom of their belly/ tail and straight into the base. With the way my son wants to always manhandle what I'm painting, it's the only way they'll ever survive.
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Post by: JWBS
That Gromi has put me right off the Oghu guardians but I suppose that's not too bad a thing for me as there's a few existing minis that I'd still quite like to own.
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Post by: decker_cky
That ogre is bigger than the Oghurs available btw. Looks like Oghurigg > Oghur > Oghurithne.
Oghurithne are the only ones I've really liked the designs for.
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Post by: Alpharius
I wasn't tempted much by Albainn to begin with, but that Gromi concept is one of the few in this or previous projects that I haven't felt look pretty good...
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Yeah, I think it's a rare miss for me as well. Not 100% sure yet. The sculpt (is that digital??) has tackled the mouth in a way that makes him look happy, possibly sadistically happy, but still.
I think I'm witholding judgement on the Albainn in general until it's more fleshed out sculpt-wise.
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Post by: decker_cky
Bagseg was all the convincing I needed to be sold on the Albainn line. I'm confident the Oghurithne will be awesome, particularly if sculpted by Yannick Fusier.
More Bagseg pics:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-first-edition/posts/769407
Though not as cool as Bagseg, Dungann and Urbad were very cool too.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, that's not the problem, so to speak.
Gromi is!
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Wow, forgotten we had seen that (had we seen that)?
I'm certainly not worried about the potential, just not sure it's a faction I want to jump in to yet, and I'm trying to avoid 'one off' faction dipping.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I like the pigeon toes on that giant. Adds sort of a cute girl look to the giant brute.
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Post by: overtyrant
Hi all, I'm new to Darklands (will be picking up the rulebook as part of my pledge) and would like to get two starter warbands to demo with. I'm interested in the Angelcynn and the Khthones, and would I be right in thinking that the recommended pledge levels give you a good starting warband? Also just another couple of questions, can I add to my pledge via the pledge manager after the KS and do I need anything else to play as I noticed the templates and counters but they were VERY expensive IMO. Also will there be anything like T-shirts and posters/maps avaliable or were they done in a previous KS, thanks!
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Post by: Zond
That giant needs the toilet. Sadly looks like Albainn will be a huge miss. Shame, wanted a Scottish army.
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Post by: plastictrees
Your pledge is essentially transferred to a special section of the Mierce store once the campaign is complete, so you can certainly add to your pledge after the fact.
You will also have access to existing items at discount, so feel free to browse the store and start drooling.
Mierce just released updated quickstarter rules and rosters, so it should be even easier to answer the warband question. I don't know how 'legal' any of them are off the top of my head though.
I'm sort of hoping that they offer lasercut templates as a less premium alternative.
Mierce haven't really gone in for the t-shirt/ art print sort of things, although there is a book of collected concept art.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
overtyrant wrote:Hi all, I'm new to Darklands (will be picking up the rulebook as part of my pledge) and would like to get two starter warbands to demo with. I'm interested in the Angelcynn and the Khthones, and would I be right in thinking that the recommended pledge levels give you a good starting warband?
Yes they do - just check out the "Recommended Pledges" below...
Also just another couple of questions, can I add to my pledge via the pledge manager after the KS
Absolutely! You can add to your pledge until they're shipped (so November 2014). You get 20% off our existing range, too, until the end of May; and you can even add Darklands: First Edition (our previous project)'s miniatures at KS prices.
overtyrant wrote:and do I need anything else to play as I noticed the templates and counters but they were VERY expensive IMO. Also will there be anything like T-shirts and posters/maps avaliable or were they done in a previous KS, thanks!
You only need templates for certain miniatures, but you'll need order tokens. There are no t-shirts, posters or maps... yet!
Hope that helps.
Cheers
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Post by: Alpharius
The £100 "Gold Spot" pledge will get you an excellent 500 "Gold Piece" (points!) warband.
So, you'll be halfway to your two warband demo set!
And you can absolutely add to your pledge after the campaign - though remember those funds won't help unlock anything during the campaign!
I don't think Mierce has done T-shirts as part of a KS, or maps/posters, but either sounds like a good idea.
Shoot a PM to Mierce - you never know!
EDIT: NINJA'D by Mierce!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The gold spot (£100) would give you a decent small skirmish warband, so for 2 forces you'd need to double it to £200 (which would also give £20 bonus credit for a total of £220 to spend). Not having seen the stats for the werewolf unit yet I can't say for sure but you'll probably need 10 for them to stand a chance again the Krokodars
There have been no T-shirts and the map has only just been done so we haven't got a hard copy yet (it should be in the main rule book, not sure if it will be in the QS rules)
I'd love to get it as a nice poster later too
Previously we've been able to carry on spending at KS prices until the minis hit the official release and nothings been said about this changing
The token/template costs are pretty much what you can expect for something being manufactured on a small scale, the tokens could be swapped out for whatever you wanted to use to mark the orders
as for the templates I'm hoping we get the outlines in the rules so you could print your own paper copies (and upgrade to nice acrylic when you're feeling ricker Automatically Appended Next Post: concept Gaanh, Walvax Gultain
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Post by: Alpharius
Fomoraic Walrus Men?
Yeah, I'm in!
I also hope we get 'printable templates' as right now, the 'official' ones area bit too pricey to hit my shopping list!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I want so see one of the top painters doing some scrimshaw on the walrus mans tusks
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My god . . . harpoon wielding walrus men!
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Post by: overtyrant
Thanks for the quick responses guys, have downloaded all the QS rules and army lists will chevk them out.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Oh, I do so hope they add eggmen now. Just think of the gaming singalongs!
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I'm so glad I chose to focus on Fomoraic.
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Post by: Alpharius
I wonder what the most popular Kindred is?
I'm guessing that Fomoraic and Norse are up there at the top!
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Post by: Azreal13
I see a lot of people talking about buying Norse, no faction really seems to be totally neglected, Ysians don't seem to illicit massive enthusiasm though.
I'm in for Erainn when they arrive already, so that will give me two factions, can't justify the cost of more just yet, but will give me enough to demo/recruit outside of the one or two guys who are buying in already that I know.
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Post by: Azreal13
Oh, it was by no means a commentary on their models, I just haven't noticed many people mentioning that they're collecting Ysians.
Maybe the ball gags stop them talking about it.
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Post by: Baragash
I'm collecting Ysians, for now at least they and Fomor are my main two kindreds (am also collecting Byzanti/Inferni and Brythonaid with a risk of Norse and Anglecynn).
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Post by: Joyboozer
I'm collecting ysians, but after Fomoraic. But during Norse. And probably kthones. And the occasional brythoniaid. Those infernii are nice too.
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Post by: decker_cky
Alpharius wrote:I wonder what the most popular Kindred is?
I'm guessing that Fomoraic and Norse are up there at the top!
I assume Fomoraic are probably the most popular, or close to it, since they include analogues to two warhammer armies which opens up a lot of potential customers.
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decker_cky wrote: Alpharius wrote:I wonder what the most popular Kindred is?
I'm guessing that Fomoraic and Norse are up there at the top!
I assume Fomoraic are probably the most popular, or close to it, since they include analogues to two warhammer armies which opens up a lot of potential customers.
Beastmen and...?
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Post by: RiTides
That walking walrus... so very cool
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 corgan wrote:decker_cky wrote: Alpharius wrote:I wonder what the most popular Kindred is?
I'm guessing that Fomoraic and Norse are up there at the top!
I assume Fomoraic are probably the most popular, or close to it, since they include analogues to two warhammer armies which opens up a lot of potential customers.
Beastmen and...?
Chaos warriors.
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Post by: Alpharius
Khthones concept: Ágriosávra on Giant Lizard:
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First goat people. Now Webbed foot Walrus people!
damn!
Awesome!
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The only thing I don't love about this concept is the claws. I bought the chimera when it was first released and glueing in the claws was a nightmare. Would these be sculpted on?
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Joyboozer wrote:
The only thing I don't love about this concept is the claws. I bought the chimera when it was first released and glueing in the claws was a nightmare. Would these be sculpted on?
My guess would be that it depends on the sculptor. Roberto Chaudon is doing Agriosavra on foot, and his Brythoniad models for the most part come with claws already attached. Angrislaug's hand claws, which would have been severely undercut, seem to be the only exception.
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Post by: Alpharius
I was afraid you were going to give us a "Yo dawg, I heard you liked Lizards..." thing!
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Post by: Azreal13
That. Is. Gorgeous!
Well, in a massive lizard way of course.
Very obviously heavily influenced by the Komodo, but that's no bad thing as those critters are all sorts of awesome.
Definitely one for the "don't need it, gonna get it anyway" list.
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The damn slaughterers 'forced' me to start a Kthones army!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I want to buy just about everything you guys posted. Walruses, Lizard riders, Knife/ Scout Drunes, Cavalry Drunes... it's just too much!
That lizard looks a bit larger than cavalry size though.
I'm hoping when we see actual Savrar units all the WFB Lizardmen players crawl out of the woodwork to get some extra foot troops, and are then hopelessly dragged into the world of Dark Lands.
Big lizards like that will hopefully help have some extra crossover appeal. It seems to be working for the Formoaic!
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Post by: PEARSCW
highlord tamburlaine wrote:Reading through the Khthon musters, we need a lot more units. A LOT.
I do like the fact that it looks like we can have Angedern run a full Draig group. No more pesky humans in my armies!
Highlord, Angedern can now field Angrislaug in his command group, however if he is the general he must take a unit of Dyndraig, using 25 of his authority..
Meaning we still can't field a full Draig kin force once we need to muster a 2nd commander. Check the muster rules specifically 4.3, a commander must have a lower authority than the general. What we need is a higher form of Draig commander.
The humans have a Teyrn and Uchelwyr, currently the Draig only have their equivalent of the Uchelwyr.
I really like that walrus man, but for me its all brythoniad at the moment. I am temtped to adventure towards the Norse as a 2nd faction, but im really holding out to see the Atlantes. I'm immensly happy with the models I already have for Darklands, Angrislaug is fantastic.
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Post by: KoganStyle
I don't think the Walrus man's tusk look right - they don't look attached to the upper jaw (I would have thought there would be a bulge where they go into the mouth)
Lizard - Hell Yes!
I'm collecting Norse and Khthones at present, Khthones without too many snakes or Hydras, not a fan of those models personally.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
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Post by: Alpharius
Damn!
After reading that one complaint, I wondered if they actually might be 'off', but that pic clearly shows that they nailed it again!
Good times!
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We do think about what we're doing! Well, sometimes.
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Timoth is one dapper Thegn.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
I received the last of my KS1 stuff today - The remaining Ysian's and Angrislaug. I have to say, they are some of the finest cast miniatures I have ever received. So well sculpted and cast!
Many thanks Mierce for having such awesome pieces made, they are fantastic!
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Post by: alanmckenzie
Alpharius wrote:I wonder what the most popular Kindred is?
I'm guessing that Fomoraic and Norse are up there at the top!
Get a poll going. Just for curiosity's sake.
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Post by: decker_cky
You'd get more accurate results by kidnapping Tim or Rob and demanding answers.
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Post by: cincydooley
I'm kinda bummed all of the campaign exclusive models (like Timoth) are only available once.
I kinda wish if you were getting the "all of the things" pledge you could up that to two of them....
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Post by: decker_cky
From the latest update:
...and here's something no-one's yet seen, until now...
Galagaak, Enraged Tarvox
We already have Galagaak, Raging Tarvox:
I'm guessing that's just an alternate head and two alternate hands for the current Galagaak? As nice as that model is, I don't think I'd want another in an identical or near identical pose.
If Mierce is planning on making a slightly edited Tarvox from a current model, why not redo some pieces from Angalaak instead, to bring it up to the same standard as Galagaak?
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_blg_bnb_mon_002_000
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 cincydooley wrote:I'm kinda bummed all of the campaign exclusive models (like Timoth) are only available once.
I kinda wish if you were getting the "all of the things" pledge you could up that to two of them....
I'm not sure what you mean there - you can purchase additional project exclusive miniatures?
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Post by: corgan
Mierce Miniatures wrote: cincydooley wrote:I'm kinda bummed all of the campaign exclusive models (like Timoth) are only available once.
I kinda wish if you were getting the "all of the things" pledge you could up that to two of them....
I'm not sure what you mean there - you can purchase additional project exclusive miniatures?
That he wished if he would choose the "all the things" pledge he would be awarded with two freecopies of the exclusive miniatures (or at least that he would have the chance to buy a second one).
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I interpret it as: You can buy additional ones, you just only get one free regardless of how many companion units you buy.
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corgan wrote:Mierce Miniatures wrote: cincydooley wrote:I'm kinda bummed all of the campaign exclusive models (like Timoth) are only available once.
I kinda wish if you were getting the "all of the things" pledge you could up that to two of them....
I'm not sure what you mean there - you can purchase additional project exclusive miniatures?
That he wished if he would choose the "all the things" pledge he would be awarded with two freecopies of the exclusive miniatures (or at least that he would have the chance to buy a second one).
He can purchase additional ones...
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Post by: cincydooley
I think I misread this quote:
Additionally, he's a project exclusive; he will never, ever be released to the general public, although we do reserve the right to produce him for sale at shows and events.
Please note, the free Sweordsman Timoth is limited to one per backer.
Based on the previous comments, I'm assuming this means that I could get two Eoric's Pack, but would only get Timoth free once, instead of my initial reading that I can only get one Timoth?
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Post by: corgan
Mierce Miniatures wrote: corgan wrote:Mierce Miniatures wrote: cincydooley wrote:I'm kinda bummed all of the campaign exclusive models (like Timoth) are only available once.
I kinda wish if you were getting the "all of the things" pledge you could up that to two of them....
I'm not sure what you mean there - you can purchase additional project exclusive miniatures?
That he wished if he would choose the "all the things" pledge he would be awarded with two freecopies of the exclusive miniatures (or at least that he would have the chance to buy a second one).
He can purchase additional ones...
Then probably it was my mistake. I was left with the impression that the project exclusive minis were limited to one per backer. For example in your third update you mention that: "Please note, the free Tonsured Caedoc is limited to one per backer". therefore I thought that a backer can acquire Tonsured Caedoc only once, either for free if he choosed the Loyal Guard strech goal or by purchasing him independently.
But apparently only the free one is limited. Further copies of the project exclusive mini can be purchased without any limitation.
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That's the same way I read it, Corgan.
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The free one is limited to one per backer. You can additionally buy as many as you'd like!
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razormage wrote:The free one is limited to one per backer. You can additionally buy as many as you'd like!
This 
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Crikey! I confess I thought I'd covered it - each exclusive miniature says:
"Please note, the free <exclusive miniature> is limited to one per backer."
I guess I should have put "You can purchase additional ones too!" afterward - I'll make sure I do that in future to cover any confusion.
Apologies to anybody who got confused!
Cheers
Rob
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Post by: razormage
Since people keep asking questions about models that weren't in my last Mierce Scale post, I did another one last night on my blog. I apologize for lighting/picture quality and general silliness of the post, but it's hard to say, "This model is bigger than all this other stuff" over and over without it being repetitive.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/balancing-scales.html
Let me know what you guys think, and if there are other models you'd like to see compared!
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Post by: Alpharius
razormage wrote:Since people keep asking questions about models that weren't in my last Mierce Scale post, I did another one last night on my blog. I apologize for lighting/picture quality and general silliness of the post, but it's hard to say, "This model is bigger than all this other stuff" over and over without it being repetitive.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/balancing-scales.html
Let me know what you guys think, and if there are other models you'd like to see compared!
Awesome, helpful and greatly appreciated - as always!
Thanks for doing this work, and for sharing it with us!
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razormage wrote:Since people keep asking questions about models that weren't in my last Mierce Scale post, I did another one last night on my blog. I apologize for lighting/picture quality and general silliness of the post, but it's hard to say, "This model is bigger than all this other stuff" over and over without it being repetitive.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/balancing-scales.html
Let me know what you guys think, and if there are other models you'd like to see compared!
Do you have any other dragon, it would be pretty sweet to see how they compares with Angrislaug (for example the CMoN dragon or the Titan dragon of Confrontation).
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Post by: Fraggle
sorry if this is obvious, I have tried to check but am still unclear. If I pledge on this kick starter can I
A) pledge for units / models from the previous kick starter?
B) is that at the kick starter price ?
C) can I add money in the manager for previous hosts or were they only valid when the last kick starter was running?
D) does all of my £100 pledge for the current kick starter have to be spent on models within the active kick starter or can I use some on existing models?
Also, are mierce planning on having any promos or exclusives from previous kickstarters at salute?
Cheers
Fraggle
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Fraggle wrote:sorry if this is obvious, I have tried to check but am still unclear. If I pledge on this kick starter can I
A) pledge for units / models from the previous kick starter?
B) is that at the kick starter price ?
C) can I add money in the manager for previous hosts or were they only valid when the last kick starter was running?
D) does all of my £100 pledge for the current kick starter have to be spent on models within the active kick starter or can I use some on existing models?
Also, are mierce planning on having any promos or exclusives from previous kickstarters at salute?
Cheers
Fraggle
A) Yes. You pay the same prices for the KS2 (the KS immediately prior to this one) as backers did. If you pledge at the Gold level then you will get 20% off existing 'at retail' items.
B) See above.
C) Hosts have already been removed from the store/pledge manager unfortunately.
D) No. Your pledge will become credit in a Kickstarter section of the Mierce store for you to spend at will. You will also be able to add more money later. However, only money pledged during the campaign will get the additional 10 per 100 pledged.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
If you pledge for this KS you can spend you cash on
models from this KS (at the price listed)
models from KS2 (at the prices they were individually during that KS)
anything on current release (at 20% off MRSP if you've pledged at the £100 gold spot level)
(the bulk hosts from KS2 are not going to be available)
you can spend your pledge on whatever you want, new models, KS2 stuff or existing models
I don't think they've got any promos planned for Salute (not sure if any previous KS exclusives will be available)
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Post by: drazz
I think "C" needs clarification. There are many deal on the KS 2 that look appealing to new backers (myself included). Are they available using funds from this KS 2.5? For instance, could I go Gold Pledge and get the Kthones Gorgonar Host from KS2?
E) Can I pledge via KS 2.5 and get the pledge from KS2? More specifically, can I pledge 150 now and get the KS2 "Sweet Spot?"
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The KS2 hosts are definitely off the table
(and even KS2 backers can't add them any more we were given a deadline to pick them up if we wanted them and now they're gone from the Mierce website)
E)I don't think so (you'd need to check with Mierce to be 100% certain but I think I remember the question being asked but can't quite track it down)
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Post by: Fraggle
Thanks for the quick responses and concise answers.
I'd love to be able to think E) was viable but I doubt it since they have made the book an additional extra, so no going back to previous book + pledges.
I'm gutted I missed KS2 proper due to RL issues. I would have been in for the book if not a skirmish host!
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Post by: plastictrees
The Sweet Spot was, unfortunately again IMO, removed along with the hosts. I understand why, it's just unfortunate for me personally as I hadn't recovered the money to sort my KS2 pledge out properly when they were removed (with notice).
You would still, I believe, be able to pledge for mounted commanders and get their on foot version for free, for instance.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Fraggle wrote:sorry if this is obvious, I have tried to check but am still unclear. If I pledge on this kick starter can I
A) pledge for units / models from the previous kick starter?
Yes.
Yes; at least in terms of Darklands: First Edition. The stuff from KS1 (Darklands: a World of War) is now mostly released, so will join the "existing miniatures" at 20% off UK RRP.
Fraggle wrote:C) can I add money in the manager for previous hosts or were they only valid when the last kick starter was running?
We've removed the hosts (and "THE SWEET SPOT"). The reason for the hosts disappearing is simply because we will be releasing encounter hosts for each kindred, as soon as certain KS2 miniatures are available; secondly, the structure of the current project makes the hosts redundant in many ways.
Fraggle wrote:D) does all of my £100 pledge for the current kick starter have to be spent on models within the active kick starter or can I use some on existing models?
You can use it on anything you can find on our webstore; it's given to you as store credit (Moneyback). You can use it as you see fit!
Fraggle wrote:Also, are mierce planning on having any promos or exclusives from previous kickstarters at salute?
The only ones we can really do - because KS2 hasn't been fulfilled yet - is to have the limited editions Penda with Wolf Helm and Urbad. However, there'll be some Darklands: a World of War stuff that isn't actually released yet, and we should have casts of some KS2 miniatures to show off (but not to sell). There'll be an update on what we'll be bringing to Salute this Friday, on all three Kickstarter projects.
drazz wrote:I think "C" needs clarification. There are many deal on the KS 2 that look appealing to new backers (myself included). Are they available using funds from this KS 2.5? For instance, could I go Gold Pledge and get the Kthones Gorgonar Host from KS2?
E) Can I pledge via KS 2.5 and get the pledge from KS2? More specifically, can I pledge 150 now and get the KS2 "Sweet Spot?"
I'm afraid not. You can't get the hosts now, and you can't get "THE SWEET SPOT" now.
I have to say, your questions beg another question or two - why did you not either back KS2, or mail us afterward to gain access, before the hosts disappeared? I'm asking simply so that we are better informed in the future and can make better decisions. Does that make sense? I hope so...
Fraggle wrote:I'd love to be able to think E) was viable but I doubt it since they have made the book an additional extra, so no going back to previous book + pledges.
I'm gutted I missed KS2 proper due to RL issues. I would have been in for the book if not a skirmish host!
RL issues? 
I have to say, I am wondering about opening up the hosts and sweet spot again; simply because so many of you seem to want it!
The only issue, I think, would be that it would annoy KS2 backers.
Thoughts?
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Post by: decker_cky
Mierce Miniatures wrote:I have to say, I am wondering about opening up the hosts and sweet spot again; simply because so many of you seem to want it!
The only issue, I think, would be that it would annoy KS2 backers.
Thoughts?
KS2 backers still got bonuses for spending above a certain amount, and it's not like you're giving a better deal or more models to the KS2.5 backers. There'll likely be complaints, but presumably you'd open it for KS2 backers again too, so they could get them again.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
If it helps grow the game and remains financially viable for you guys, do it.
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Post by: drazz
From my personal point, I have been watching since KS1. But, it's taken this long for me to basically "get it" in term of he background and factions to the game. It seemed like a really high learning curve to become introduced. (That's my own issue I guess.). And maybe the chaotic nature of the KS 1 and 2 presentations. You were building brand new products out of 8 (more really given the variable options within factions) factions and each was not only new to the vast majority of the KS customers, but new concepts as well. For instance, it's a fantasy setting, but there are no dwarves or elves, and the werewolves are mixed with regular humans. All of that is a good thing, as it sets your product apart, but for me at least it made it difficult to understand where I was supposed to place myself or what I was even looki g at.
Now I get it. It's a savage look at a brutal struggle to car e out some land in a mythical Britain. Celts and Romans and Brits and norsemen and it all seems so dirty and wonderful. And it helps that your models look like by belong among the very best in the business.
So, for me, it really took until now to understand what was happening. Two and a half KS's and many looks at your website to "get it." But snow I do and want in.
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Post by: JWBS
I'd definitely pledge £200 if the sweet spot was re-opened, providing I could take the art book in place of a duplicate rule book. I'm guessing this wouldn't be logistically difficult, changing the book graphic to an either/or option. It would also be great if the new stuff was included in there too but I suppose the logistics get more complicated at this point.
for Illustration, what I really want from KS 2.5 -
-Another monstrous infantry group (either the semi-feral werewolves or the byzantium demons)
-Another monstrous general, ideally Brugg death brute but Secchus fine also
-Another big creature, I'm torn between Malicant and Blood maw, and possibly Mjagnir, and would be happy with any of these
ofc this doesn't fit into sweet spot all that well so I'd make a compromise and buy the Ysian encounter host (I quite like the brutes and I really want Brugg) and add on £50 for Malicant or Maw. I'd end up with a few duplicates, some stuff I don't really want, and some second choices but I'd feel compensated with value for money. Aside from illustrating my own feelings, this little ramble is probably quite useless but there it is anyway. Point is I think that adding the old sweet spot would be great for KS2.5 and the new backers, and a re-vamped sweet spot would be even better for KS1&2 backers (many of whom will be in the situation illustrated above ie got much of what they really want already). It would certainly add complexity for Mierce and new backers though so I guess there's that downside. I don't see how anyone could be pissed off, unless we're talking about exclusivity of stuff which I suppose is a thing. I did used to like my ltd editions so I can imagine that some people do value this.
/ just noticed the brutes aren't on the sweet spot. I'd personally want to see those guys on it, and ideally the new wave of stuff too (adding options for new backers and flexibility for existing backers).
/ I see some people on the KS comments want to retain exclusivity on the minis, I suppose this is understandable and therefore the most legit thing to do (though I'd encourage them to think about what the "limited edition" tag is really worth, imo virtually nothing). So that being said, replace the KS2 exclusives with something comparable, ie similar sized minis from any of the campaigns or just £30 worth of mierce product! 
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Post by: prankster
Well, as someone who went in for a not insubstantial amount last KS I have no issues with the sweet spot being resurrected for this KS. After all, this is supposed to be a continuation of the last one. Plus, anything that helps us get to 80k and beyond is a good thing. Provided it remains viable, both financially and logistically, for Mierce.
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Post by: Makaleth
I also (as a KS2 pledger) would have no issue with a sweet spot pledge. In fact, adding it in with the current new units would be amazing!!
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Post by: drazz
I have been told straight from Mierce that Sweet Spot is out but the hosts from KS2 are in.
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Post by: decker_cky
 Makaleth wrote:I also (as a KS2 pledger) would have no issue with a sweet spot pledge. In fact, adding it in with the current new units would be amazing!!
I'd love something like this, but that would result in something that's actually a better deal than the KS2 sweet spot since the included unit has an extra character, and you get £10 free for every £100 you spend. There's also much more variety in the units compared to hosts, which were all £80 or £90. But something along those lines would be great.
If Mierce wanted to do the same deal, but include more units, it would probably make more sense just to add a free model to the rulebook, so long as you spend £150 during the KS, or something like that (probably easier for Mierce to just link it to Gold pledges). I think Sweet spot was quite complex for Mierce to process.
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Post by: JWBS
drazz wrote:I have been told straight from Mierce that Sweet Spot is out but the hosts from KS2 are in.
Yes a bit disappointing but oh well. Are you sure hosts are in? Some backers of ks 2 were inexplicably upset that they provided a discount beyond what was available at the time (if included in 2.5) and Mierce seemed to rule out a return. I can't be arsed to wade through the comments again but I'm pretty sure this is the case. Hmmm, Brute encounter host + Malicant + Troll king could definitely work for me.
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Post by: drazz
This is the response I got this morning after contacting Mierce directly through the KS:
Okay. There was a big discussion about this earlier on the comments, but basically - if you pledge here - you can:
- get 20% off the UK RRP of existing miniatures (i.e., those that are released to the general public, and Darklands: a World of War items that aren't yet released)
- get access to KS2, at KS2 prices (excepting "THE SWEET SPOT", the "Darklands, Uhtred and Finnan" deal and you won't get Danilo Cruz for pledging £150). You would get the free general on foot if you've purchased the general on horse. You can't get "THE SWEET SPOT", but you can get the hosts from that project.
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Post by: Alpharius
That is interesting news!
There are a few hosts I might be interested in picking up...
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
I can confirm what Drazz said!
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Post by: Alpharius
Hoo boy...
I'd been eying that Gabrax Encounter Host last KS, but couldn't get it then.
I think I'll be adding it in now though!
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Post by: Vhalan
Question about the free exclusive with unit purchase. If I select the Slaughterers and go for the 3x warrior unit, would I still get the Enslaved Agriosavra? Or do I need to select the 5x unit with command? Thanks!
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm fairly certain you get the free miniature with whatever version of the required unit you choose.
So yes, free mini with either the 3 or 5 Krok version!
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
Vhalan wrote:Question about the free exclusive with unit purchase. If I select the Slaughterers and go for the 3x warrior unit, would I still get the Enslaved Agriosavra? Or do I need to select the 5x unit with command? Thanks!
You will get ONE free Ágriosávra regardless of how you buy the Slaughterers - so, yes.
Hope that helps!
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Post by: decker_cky
BTW, for anyone that wants to skim what Mierce is saying on the Kickstarter, this is handy:
https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/mierceminiatures/comments
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Post by: Alpharius
New concept art:
Byzantti - Acteon
Automatically Appended Next Post: Norse concept - and an awesome one at that!
Hrokr:
 Automatically Appended Next Post: Update #20
Apr 2 2014
£85,000 - Tykho, Skorpion Minor
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£70,000 has been and gone, huzzah! This means that Eoric's Pack is now yours to go for, but it also means that we have a stretch goal for you all...
Tykho, as you can see, is a Skorpion Minor - a lesser scorpion, in effect - brought from the wilds of the Byzantine Empire to serve in its legions. He's a wild monstrous beast and can be fielded in units of 1-3.
Tykho will ship in November 2014 along with the first "wave" of Darklands: First Edition II pledges.
The next stretch goal will be unveiled at £72,500...
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Post by: razormage
I put a Norse vs. Khthones battle report up on my blog at http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/darklands-battle-report-norse-vs.html. I'll cross-post it over here when I have time to embed the appropriate img tags, but for now you can click through if you want to see how a 499-gold game plays out.
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Post by: Azreal13
Before I click on that....
Dice flow diagrams?
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Post by: razormage
Nope. There's even a fluff intro. Don't say I don't cater to dakkaites! (I'll even write fluffy hour intros when I get home tonight.)
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Post by: RiTides
razormage wrote:Since people keep asking questions about models that weren't in my last Mierce Scale post, I did another one last night on my blog. I apologize for lighting/picture quality and general silliness of the post, but it's hard to say, "This model is bigger than all this other stuff" over and over without it being repetitive.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/balancing-scales.html
Let me know what you guys think, and if there are other models you'd like to see compared!
That's an amazing size comparison blog post, thank you 
It makes sense now why I thought all the models were too large- my very first purchase was Shaaroc, and he looks like he's one of the absolute biggest. Love the blood maw pics... that's why I have 2 of that model
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So I decided to brave painting my Aalvór, Tain of the Mallax. No Cool Mini or not posting for me, but I tried to use more than one color!
That's also the first time I tried basing a figure on something other than the base they came with!
I was a bit sacrilegious and put him on a 40mm round instead of a 60- there seemed to be just too much empty space on the bigger base.
Behind him was the closest approximation my son could find to Aalvór. Too bad I can't seem to get the name translated correctly into English!
He thinks our friend here is actually related to a Capybara, not a ground sloth.
I told him it didn't matter since a Fomorian Mallax would still just plain eat his face off.
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Post by: decker_cky
Huh...I don't think I had ever seen the sculpt for that one.
Good job with the paintjob.
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Post by: Zond
Nice battle report. Slowly grasping the game. I'm hoping the Scots might turn out better monster wise than I'm currently seeing, as I'm liking the idea of Ysians with Vras to round out the British Isles. Failing that I've got some large scale boats I've not used, so I might end up doing Norse, Byzantii, Formor and someone else particularly sea worthy and have a naval board.
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Post by: chaos45
So having had a chance to read the musters and the quickstart rules today here are my comments:
First off the Miniatures are awesome but they have several of confrontations sculptors working for them so to be expected...some are hit and miss but every army has something thats looks good to put on the field.
However, omg the rules.........Ive played wargames for decades now and these really go against everything that the miniature wargaming community has done for decades now which is simplify and refine.
The quickstarter rules seem very unrefined and IMO will be completely unplayable at the higher gold cost/army size levels. Even at the 500-1000 gold range you talking quite awhile to get through a game short of memorizing all the different modifiers for each type of attack and defensive response.
Its nice that the defender gets to stay involved in the game by rolling dice but have seen a couple batreps now and read the rules it really seems some refinement and good judgement on what really needed to be included to make a solid system wasnt done.
A friend of mine also read them and has similar feelings about how overly modifer and chart heavy they are. Yes the charts are all based on a 1-10 vs a 1-10...well why didnt the designers do it 1-10 and 1-10....seems maybe just dividing all the stats by 10 would have helped simplify the game at least alittle bit.
Im not saying im adverse to some realism/complications in rules Ive played tons of game with all different levels of rules but this just seems overkill to get the desired effect IMO.
Maybe its just me, but this is going to kill the game from any mass following before it even gets going as most people are going to look at how complex the rules set is and just say na not interested I'll buy a couple minis for proxies for other games I do like to play.
Just for reference people felt confrontation 2/3/3.5 edition were to complex....those rules systems have nothing on complexity compared to this system. An I loved confrontation so im not adverse to reading and figuring things out but man, again think some refinement will be needed for anything going into the 1K gold lvl. Unless your just going to play monster/hero bash and go with all high cost stuff to keep the dice rolling down and not play real armies. Again not very helpful for keeping Meirce in business as they need to sell more than one of each mini to be successful im sure.
Been watching from the sidelines for awhile on these kickstarters and have been strongly considering buying in on this round but I dont think the rules are viable. Convince me otherwise.
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Post by: razormage
chaos45 wrote:So having had a chance to read the musters and the quickstart rules today here are my comments:
Been watching from the sidelines for awhile on these kickstarters and have been strongly considering buying in on this round but I dont think the rules are viable. Convince me otherwise.
First off, the rules are but one part of what you can buy. So many of the Darklands models can be adapted to WHFB without even imagination stretches, so you can just buy the models you like, drop them into any Fantasy game, and go from there without ever having to play a game of Darklands.
I would disagree with there being too many modifiers: I play tons of WHFB, and calculating combat resolution is remarkably complicated with modifiers. "I did eight wounds, and you did four, you have a banner and a BSB, I have a banner, you have three ranks, you have a flank, I lose my rank bonus because you've got me in the flank with a multiple-rank unit, you have a charge, and you charged downhill. I lose combat by three." As you play, you learn the modifiers. Most in Darklands are obvious: I have a +1 to hit you in combat because I'm behind you; I have a -2 to hit you because of long range and moving, but you're a large target so I half the difficulty, etc. Look how many modifiers Warhammer has to hit with shooting: Skirmishers, moving, range, Stand and Shoot, cover, hard cover...
The main complication in Darklands comes from a mechanic that no other game system uses: Orders. Placing units under different orders and having to change those orders is an accurate representation of some of the chaos that goes on in warfare, and it adds a level of strategy that really adds to the strategy required for the game. You can ignore the Orders system and still play a very rewarding game without having to worry about your units not doing what you want. I play O&G, so I'm used to my units charging across the board when I don't want them to, or refusing to make a charge.
I can hear complaints, "What about target restrictions for Feral or Wild units! That's hard to remember!" Have you ever run a Frenzied unit in Warhammer? Exact same restriction. "What about the complications in units picking who they're shooting at?" One of the biggest complaints I hear about 40k is the inability of units to split fire. Half the unit can't see that Tyranid Hive Tyrant their missile launcher is shooting, but can see the unit of gaunts? Shame they can't fire at those instead! Oh, wait, Darklands fixes that problem.
I agree that the rules seem unrefined; the reason is that the game has only been playtested by a handful of people. I'm sure Warhammer was not a well-oiled ball of rules when it first came out, but now every contingency is accounted for and no grey areas are left... oh, wait, TOs have to handle dozens of vague or ambiguously worded rules questions in every Warhammer tournament.
I can understand a desire for simplicity, but I think the formal language and weird organization structure of the rulebook itself may be what's throwing you off, rather than the rules themselves. I strongly, strongly encourage you to set aside a couple of hours and try proxying a <500 gold game with your existing model collection before you pass judgement. If you want to simplify the rules to experiment with, drop the Order restrictions on units (just let them do whatever they want), and ignore the effects of Acuity on units (target restrictions, etc). These add levels of strategy that make the game a lot more interesting, but are complicated and can be skipped in smaller games without compromising the overall feel of the game, especially when starting out.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I went ahead and ordered a rulebook, and I have no idea when I'll realistically get a game in. I don't have the time or players handy to play this game the way it's supposed to be played.
I'll certainly give it a fair shake, and I've got plenty of time to try and get the rules down pat. Maybe when my kids are a lot older?
That book is going to be full of awesome artwork, good back story stuff, and is going to be the kind of book I love to come back to over and over.
Just like my old Rogue Trader era 40k rulebook. Never used it correctly in a game, but my god was that book gazed at from cover to cover.
Also, new bird looks ace.
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Post by: Azreal13
I'm resigned to not playing until the final rulebook lands in my paws. Firstly, I can't seem to absorb info off a screen the same way I can off the page, and my printer has died with a replacement very low on the financial priorities list, and secondly, does anyone else find the rather abstract nature of the musters (just a list of stats and rules, with no accompanying fluff) somewhat hard to reconcile with the various units and models?
Perhaps I'm just conditioned to 40K codexes, but a description of the unit and the way it fights really helps me interpret the rules into game behaviour (assuming they correlate of course!)
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Azreal - mate I am exactly the same, I need something physical. You could, of course, print the rules out...!
The QS rules won't be long in printing now.
Regarding more fluff, that is coming, but time is my enemy I am afraid. Unfortunately it's all I can do to get "the basics" out there right now!
Cheers
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Post by: Azreal13
Like I said, printing not an option right now, I had to skip my last printer because it got used so little that the ink dried in the print head to the point it was irretrievable.
You can understand I'm in no hurry to spend cash on something I normally use so little!
Happy to wait for the full book TBH, if I am fairly sensible with my painting time it should line up nicely with getting all my models painted up.
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Post by: prankster
Update #22 Apr 3 2014
Hosts, and what you can get your hands on post-project!
There's been a bit of confusion as to what you can expect from this project after it actually ends - i.e., how you can spend your money - so here's a rundown.
It is worth noting that you can can add the costs of the existing or KS2 products to your pledge here. It will get us all more from this project!
Existing Miniatures
When this project ends, you will be given access to a special "Kickstarter category" on the Mierce Miniatures website, where you can manage your pledge.
As well as the items from this project (which you can purchase right up until they are shipped) you will have the opportunity to purchase the following from this category, until the end of May 2014:
any product that is currently released to the general public, at 20% off the UK RRPany product not yet released that was part of the Darklands: a World of War project, at 20% off the UK RRPany product from the Darklands: First Edition project, at that project's prices (including the free foot general with the mounted general deal)any encounter host or skirmish host from the Darklands: First Edition project, at the host's pricesthe "Darklands, Uhtred & Nobles" reward (including the free Uhtred on foot and Finnan)
You cannot purchase:
The reward "DARKLANDS & UHTRED" from Darklands: First Edition The reward "THE SWEET SPOT" from Darklands: First Edition
Additionally, you do NOT get:
the free Danilo Cruz miniature if you spend more than £150
Encounter and Skirmish Hosts
This is something that many of you out there have requested, so we've decided to bring them back into the KS2 section for you. We can't add the hosts to this project, but we will allow you to purchase them on our website afterwards - at least, until the end of May!
Don't forget, you can add the cost of these hosts - or indeed for anything existing - to your pledge here!
Shipping Existing Items, KS2 items and Hosts
Existing items (i.e., those purchased from our existing range, or from Darklands: a World of War) will be shipped as either a Wave 0 shipment or a Wave 4 shipment; the choice is yours. If you choose to have your existing items shipped as Wave 0, you MUST purchase the Wave 0 shipment item in the pledge management phase. However, Wave 0 items can be shipped once the project ends and you have managed your pledge.
Darklands: First Edition items will be shipped as per the Waves indicated for that project, so please bear that in mind. However, you can still wait until all of your Darklands: First Edition II items are ready before we ship it all, which will of course be just one shipping cost (Wave 4).
Hosts, again, will be shipped as per the Waves indicated for the Darklands: First Edition project, but some Hosts can be shipped as part of Wave 0. Shipment waves for hosts are indicated on the graphic above.
Managing your Pledge
Managing your pledge couldn't be simpler. When the project ends, you simply select the items you want from our webstore after the Kickstarter ends, just as if you were shopping.
As part of the pledge management system, we give you store credit called Moneyback on our website. The amount you pledge here (as well as the gold reward bonus, which we'll add) is the amount of Moneyback you will get, and you can spend this in a special "Kickstarter category" on our webstore.
In a nutshell, it's very simple, you choose what you want as if you were online shopping - there's no forms to fill in, or spreadsheets to complete.
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Post by: nerdfest09
Can we buy any of the models from the website? I see a few with them but I still don't really understand the ks thing and really would like to see how much a troll model is to buy, I really like the face and want to paint one up as something different for me to do?
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Post by: Azreal13
If they have been released, you can buy them from the website at the going rate.
If the model was a part of any of the Kickstarter projects, they may not be on general sale (or even finished) yet. There are a number of trolls completed and released, there are some yet to come.
If you back the current Kickstarter, you will be able to buy any model up to the final unlocks in this project (new stuff gets unveiled as the pledged total increases) including things that are already on sale, or in production from a previous project, at 20% discount.
If the models you choose at that point are yet to be finished, Mierce will send them out as and when they are, if you pay the shipping fees, or in a lump once they are all done if you just pay for the final shipment costs.
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Post by: Yodhrin
OK I've tried googling to no avail; does anyone have proper scale pictures of any existing Mierce human models which they described as being "30mm to the eye" next to GW and/or FW human models? I want to get in on this but I can't afford to blow £100+ on models that end up being completely the wrong size for the project I want to use them in.
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 Yodhrin wrote:OK I've tried googling to no avail; does anyone have proper scale pictures of any existing Mierce human models which they described as being "30mm to the eye" next to GW and/or FW human models? I want to get in on this but I can't afford to blow £100+ on models that end up being completely the wrong size for the project I want to use them in.
I don't know if you've seen this and dismissed it as not "proper" for your needs, but this link from a few pages back gives some good pics, including man sized Mierce dollies up against more familiar models.
razormage wrote:Since people keep asking questions about models that weren't in my last Mierce Scale post, I did another one last night on my blog. I apologize for lighting/picture quality and general silliness of the post, but it's hard to say, "This model is bigger than all this other stuff" over and over without it being repetitive.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/balancing-scales.html
Let me know what you guys think, and if there are other models you'd like to see compared!
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Post by: razormage
If there are specific GW models you want to see them against, let me know. I've got a camera and eight Fantasy armies and can expand that post easily.
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Post by: decker_cky
razormage wrote:If there are specific GW models you want to see them against, let me know. I've got a camera and eight Fantasy armies and can expand that post easily.
No rush on this, but it would make sense to have a scale shot with the Gabrax shaman on a base at some point, just to show how he's a bit larger than the other Gabrax. You have him off a base beside the other gabrax who are on bases, which hides that fact. Of the 'beastmen' models, he's the only model I'd really say is out of scale.
Here's another scale shot I haven't seen for would - be beastmen players:
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Post by: plastictrees
Yodhrin wrote:OK I've tried googling to no avail; does anyone have proper scale pictures of any existing Mierce human models which they described as being "30mm to the eye" next to GW and/or FW human models? I want to get in on this but I can't afford to blow £100+ on models that end up being completely the wrong size for the project I want to use them in.
You were looking at the formor humans right? I'll try to get something up later. Automatically Appended Next Post: 
So from left to right: Cadian legs/torso with a maximini head, Maagaan with no head, Coteaz, Redbox Helsvakt, Angelcynn, flagellant.
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Post by: decker_cky
So....just assembled the new Chaagmuth on foot. He's beastly - makes for a very imposing leader, even standing next to Brunchaath. Much bulkier, and a few milimeters taller.
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Yodhrin wrote:OK I've tried googling to no avail; does anyone have proper scale pictures of any existing Mierce human models which they described as being "30mm to the eye" next to GW and/or FW human models? I want to get in on this but I can't afford to blow £100+ on models that end up being completely the wrong size for the project I want to use them in.
It would be worth telling us which specific Mierce humans you're interested in as there are some that are 7 foot tall in the background (like eirik longaxe, steersman of hrafnen) and thus much taller than the others and guaranteed not to fit with other stuff
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Post by: zedmeister
KS2 update - I'll let the pictures do the talking
Warning: Explosions May Occur
It's a cracker of an update today, this Mierceday.
We have awesome work in progress images, including two of sculpts never before seen; fantastic news about project fulfilment; and, of course, news of our current Kickstarter project,Darklands: First Edition II...
Angedern, Prifdyndraig of Gwaelod
Roberto Chaudon has now completed the awesome Angedern, as you can see... He's brilliant!
Angedern will be with us soon, and sent out during Wave 1.
Ágriosávra, Sun Warrior
Fresh from completing Angedern, Roberto Chaudon has started work on our lovely lizard Ágriosávra, from the concept by Christophe Madura. It's early days yet but he's certainly taking shape!
Once again, Ágriosávra is a Wave 1 dude, so he'll be sent in June.
Knútr of Víkin, Skipari of Hrafnen
This is what you've all been waiting for: Allan Carrasco's utter masterpiece that is our Norse general, Knútr. Believe me when I say that this is perhaps the finest human, let alone viking, miniature ever made at this scale. We defy you to find a better one. It's just astonishing. Don't believe us? Here...
Knútr is a Wave 1 merchant so will be sent out in that shipment...
Rollo Iron Head, Filungi of Hrafnen
We had high hopes for Allan's other Norse miniatures, too; and as you can see, those hopes have been realised...
Like Knútr, Rollo's a Wave 1er, so you'll have to wait until June.
Allan has already begun sculpting Víthar and Birna, we are led to believe; so expect images of those soon...
Zethag of Carn Dhu, Harvest-Drune
The ultra-fast and ultra-amazing Stéphane Simon has finished everybody's favourite boiler, Zethag of Carn Dhu... she's beautifully disgusting!
Zethag will, of course, be sent in June as part of Wave 1.
Gondard of Karaez, Flesh-Drune
Stéphane Simon is sculpting faster than a fast thing eating fast berries: not only is Zethag done, Gondard of Karaez is getting there too!
Gondard (along with his Nithing, Ekk) will be a Wave 1 shipment.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
another concept leaked, dynwocor warrior
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Post by: razormage
Another concept we managed to get out of Mierce: a Fomoraic Sorcere riding a Cugacx (giant wolverine)
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Post by: Trodax
Those Norse are pretty spectacular. Wow!
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Post by: Azreal13
razormage wrote:Another concept we managed to get out of Mierce: a Fomoraic Sorcere riding a Cugacx (giant wolverine)
Squee!
Just when you don't think it can get better for a General than a massive bloke riding an awesomely sculpted polar bear, they give us this!!
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Post by: grefven
Knutr and Rollo are, to me, some early contenders for best sculpts of 2014!
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Post by: Azreal13
You can just see the cliff Knutr is stood on and the sea he's looking out over can't you?
I'd kind of scrolled past him in a hurry, but your comment made me go back and look again. There's something intangible about it which elevates to another level.
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Post by: decker_cky
I'll have to wait and see how mounted Knutr turns out. Those Norse are starting to look like must-buys.
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Post by: Looky Likey
I'm rather glad I brought the Norse set, might just have to get somebody else to paint them for me as they are beyond my skillset to do them justice.
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Post by: Makaleth
I would buy Knutr right now... but putting that into my pledge instead... WOW, cannot wait to also see him mounted
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Post by: Yodhrin
plastictrees wrote: Yodhrin wrote:OK I've tried googling to no avail; does anyone have proper scale pictures of any existing Mierce human models which they described as being "30mm to the eye" next to GW and/or FW human models? I want to get in on this but I can't afford to blow £100+ on models that end up being completely the wrong size for the project I want to use them in.
You were looking at the formor humans right? I'll try to get something up later.
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So from left to right: Cadian legs/torso with a maximini head, Maagaan with no head, Coteaz, Redbox Helsvakt, Angelcynn, flagellant.
That'll do nicely thanks chief. Are the Warriors of Baalor unit going to be on the same scale as that character chappie then do we think, or more like the size of the Angelcynn soldier? Either way, next to tru/artscale Marines, I think I can get away with using them as feral world Imperial Army. Better start ferreting about for cash to grab a Gold Spot pledge then....*shudder* this army is going to cause me actual physical wallet pain by the end(I have the horrible feeling that when FW eventually put out an Imperial Army list, it's going to require an abhorrent number of models, even compared to normal 40K footGuard hordes).
And thanks to everyone else that offered to help or posted links
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Post by: Azreal13
I seem to remember that the heroic models, (specifically Fomoraic) are deliberately larger than their equivalent infantry, so the Warriors of Baalor are likely to be a smidge smaller.
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Post by: Yodhrin
azreal13 wrote:I seem to remember that the heroic models, (specifically Fomoraic) are deliberately larger than their equivalent infantry, so the Warriors of Baalor are likely to be a smidge smaller.
Even better thanks. Now to try and figure out what the hell a "laspike" is actually going to look like.
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Yodhrin - the Warriors of Baalor will be of a similar size to the commanders, perhaps a little smaller in some instances.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Creator Mierce Miniatures about 2 hours ago
Okay... Khthones concept:
Srók, Krokodarch
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Post by: Alpharius
Well, that's certainly confirmed my decision to go with Kthones!
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Post by: decker_cky
I'm hoping that when Mierce eventually does man-sized Kthones, they take some design cues from the old GW half-snake slaanesh champion:
They already have some half-man models, so the design wouldn't really be out of place.
Xontor from here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/999/460/37ab747766774ed11e817d6a01a65df7_large.jpg?1381248459
Ophios:
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_kth_gor_wld_001_000
Sthena:
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_kth_gor_wld_051_000
Those are all quite a bit bigger, but I think man-sized half snake people would be a popular choice.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'd prefer getting more Savra (lizard dudes) before smaller snakes, but I could see the utility of having smaller snakemen.
My personal preference is for reptilian heads rather than more humanoid ones.
Once I get my Ophius I think I'll try ditching the flesh colors and go with a more humanoid snake style.
Happy to see so many neat new Khthon concepts being trickled out. Hopefully Srok joins us soon... and hopefully on something bigger than a 60mm base!
My biggest hope is we get something that can STAND toe to toe with the likes of Krull and Gomagg. We may have critters to match them in length, but not in height.... so far.
*I'm not counting Ygandr since he's all coiled up and rearing his heads.
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Post by: Azreal13
I'd actually suggest (Mierce if you're listening, I know you are) that Ophius and Sthena are two prime candidates for an alt sculpt, they're relatively old for Mierce, and, unbelievably are beginning to look poor in comparison to what has come since.
Which is not to say I think they're intrinsically bad, just in comparison to what has come since.
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Post by: decker_cky
I don't like Sthena too much, but Ophios is awesome. He stands out a bit because he's got almost cartoon exaggerated features, but that's also part of what makes him awesome.
I think Xontor is intended as a quasi-replacement for Ophius though.
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Post by: overtyrant
I know everyone has there own opinion on what makes a nice looking model but Mierce please do NOT make anything like that horrendous GW figure, in fact I think it would drive your sales SOWN nit up lol!
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Post by: Mierce Miniatures
@Azreal13 - both Ophios and Sthena are fantastic miniatures in our view; they're not going to change dude. Sorry. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
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Post by: plastictrees
overtyrant wrote:I know everyone has there own opinion on what makes a nice looking model but Mierce please do NOT make anything like that horrendous GW figure, in fact I think it would drive your sales DOWN not up lol!
I think the sculptors that Mierce uses could make anything look good.
Human sized snake bodied guys would actually be pretty awesome IMO.
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Post by: SavageRobby
I just assembled Ophios today, actually, and I have to say I rather like him. Also assembled a number of the Khthon - I really like the snakes. I'd love to see a human-sized band of snake men.
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Post by: decker_cky
The Khthones snake models that I got (KS1 starter) are all amazing aside from Ssibyros, which didn't translate very well.
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Post by: overtyrant
What size are the Gorgons? Confrontations Ophidians where Ogre sized and looked fantastic, that's one of the reasons why I love the Gorgons. Not sure how well that would translate to human sise though, if any one could do it Mierce can! Just don't use a human upper or lower body as I think it looks tacky (though it looks good as Ophios).
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Post by: chaos45
Could do the humanoid ones like the Asps from confrontation, or serpentfolk from the pathfinder line.
Might even be some cross game interest then as well and give the Kthones some cheaper foot troops.
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Post by: prankster
Update #25
Apr 6 2014
£82,500 - Ax-Crom, War-Drune
We're just about at £75,000 so it's time to unveil the next stretch goal... Ax-Crom!
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Ax-Crom is free to anybody who has purchased the Abhorrents of Ys unit (whichever way you've bought it). Otherwise, he's £15 regardless of the reward!
Additionally, he's a project exclusive; he will never, ever be released to the general public, although we do reserve the right to produce him for sale at shows and events.
Please note, the free Ax-Crom is limited to one per backer.
No Exchanges!
Note that we will not exchange Ax-Crom for any other miniature, so please don't ask! He is tied to his unit.
The reason for doing this is simple - logistically it's a nightmare to exchange miniatures and will lead to errors when we get to packing your orders. Of course, we are very sure that other backers will help out with exchanges, and our forums are the perfect place to do so!
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Apr 6 2014
400 backers - Sáthach, Ríonfénnid
All right, as we're nearly at £75,000, it's time to unveil something special and to give you something different to aim for all at the same time!
Instead of a monetary amount being the stretch goal, the backer total is the stretch goal - so when we reach 400 backers in total, every gold reward backer will receive one Sáthach for free!
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Sáthach (pronounced "SAW-hakh") hails from Eriu and is thus an Érainn, but she will work as a sell-sword for any kindred (yes, including the Fomoraic). She is a Ríonfénnid (pronounced "REE-on-fay-nid") or "queen-fénnid" and once led a warrior band of Fianna. Now, for reasons known only to herself, she plies her trade around the lands of darkness to the highest bidder.
Highly skilled, highly intelligent and hugely beneficial to any general, Sáthach is a must-have for your host for she trains and thus changes the acuity of one of your units.
400 Backers
Instead of being a monetary stretch goal, Sáthach is a backer stretch goal; we have to get to 400 backers before she will be produced. Once we get there, one Sáthach becomes a freebie for all gold reward backers (anybody with the rewards "THE GOLD SPOT", "ALL THE UNITS" and "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT") and she can also be purchased additionally.
Note that all backers contribute towards the backer total, not just gold reward backers; so even if you are a bronze reward backer, you can still ensure she is produced and thus purchase her.
Please note, the free Sáthach is limited to one per backer, but you can purchase additional ones of course.
No Exchanges!
Note that we will not exchange Sáthach for any other miniature, so please don't ask!
The reason for doing this is simple - logistically it's a nightmare to exchange miniatures and will lead to errors when we get to packing your orders. Of course, we are very sure that other backers will help out with exchanges, and our forums are the perfect place to do so!
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Post by: SavageRobby
overtyrant wrote:What size are the Gorgons? Confrontations Ophidians where Ogre sized and looked fantastic, that's one of the reasons why I love the Gorgons. Not sure how well that would translate to human sise though, if any one could do it Mierce can! Just don't use a human upper or lower body as I think it looks tacky (though it looks good as Ophios).
The various Warriors of Khthon here: http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_kth_gor_min_100_000 all come with 60mm bases, but they could fit comfortably on 50mm bases. They're tall, but slender (and each are somewhat coiled). They easily dwarf normal humans, though.
Ophios needs his 60mm base, and pretty much covers the whole of it.
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Post by: Azreal13
For the love of god, anyone reading this please back the project, if only for £1!!!
It's..it's ok to fancy a pencil sketch a little bit, right? 
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm with you on that one!
I REALLY hope we reach 400 backers on this one...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
She may not have scales, but that's a pretty cool backer goal.
May have to include Ax Crom once we get to him. I like me some Drune tough guys.
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Post by: drazz
New models posted on the Mierce website. I can't post pics, but here's the link and a rundown:
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=new&ref=262
Angelcynn banner bearer on great elk
Fomoraic warlord (unites beastmen types)
Fomoraic giant sloth beast
Gorgones giant snake beast
Ker-Ys seer on giant mutated elk
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Post by: decker_cky
KS1 hit 475 backers, and KS2 hit 566 (including 80 backers in the last 3 days). However, KS2 also had many more early backers.
KS2
KS2.5
Very different shaped campaigns to be honest, but it's generally a safe bet that there'll be lots of late backers, particularly when there's no early birds.
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Post by: prankster
Update #27
Apr 7, 2014
Monday is Round-Up Day
Our fantastic Darklands: First Edition II project continues apace and it's time, as it's a Monday, to round everything up that's happened over the past week! Current Stretch GoalsWe've smashed through a few stretch goals over the past week, but there's still plenty to go at. Here's what's currently up for grabs!
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Here's an updated Stretch Goals Map, too, to keep you abreast of all the goals achieved and unachieved:
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Watch out for more stretch goals unveiled over the coming week!
Sneak Peeks - this is what you could be funding!There's one thing we do on the comments section that always gets people excited. We show sneak peeks of concept art that could appear as stretch goals later on in the project!
Take a look at what you could be funding soon! ALBAINN Brugbad, Oghurithne Champion - one of the forthcoming monstrous infantry Oghurithe unit, the Oghu Keepers. 50mm base
Brusta, Gairlom Champion - one of the possible infantry Gairlom unit, the Spears of Dun Durn. 30mm base
ANGELCYNN Leofwen, Fane-Bearer of Déra - a fane-bearer project exclusive that could, possibly, be part of a future Angelcynn unit...
Rēoc, Frēawulf - a great wolf, a monstrous beast that roams the battlefield in units of 1-3. 40mm base.
BRYTHONIAID Geraint Nerthol, Teyrn of Cedweli on Ceffyldraig- a Warlord for your Brythoniaid host, riding a horse-dragon. 80mm base
Gungonn ap Gonn, Dynwocor Champion - one of a monstrous infantry Dynwocor unit. 50mm base
BYZANTII Acteon, Auxilia Bestiarii - the champion of the Auxilia Bestiarii unit. 30mm base
Petra, Auxilia Bestiarii - one member of the Auxilia Bestiarii unit. 30mm base
FOMORAIC Idruaada, Warlock Lord of Baalor on Cúgacx - a mighty sorcerer of Baalor, riding a Cúgacx. 60mm base
Daalar, Mallax Skull-Bearer - the banner bearer of the monstrous infantry Mallax Unit. 60mm base.
Gaanh, Walvax Gultain - the champion of the monstrous infantry Walvax Unit. 60mm base
KHTHONES Srók, Krokodarch - a Warchief for the Krokodares. 60mm base
Ágriosávra, Sun Warrior on Giant Lizard - a Warchief for the Sávres, a race of lizard-men, riding a giant monitor lizard. 100mm base
NORSE Hrókr, Gunnhrafn - a mighty raven-warrior, a monstrous beast with double-handed scramaseax. 80mm base
Torleik, Troll Warrior - a monstrous infantry Troll with extra hand weapon. 60mm base
VRAS No-Claw, Spear-Vras Champion - the champion of an infantry unit, the Spear-Vras. 30mm base
YSIANS Hedroc, Battle-Drune on Hound-Horse - a warchief of the Ysian Drunes, riding a mutated monstrosity. 100mm base
Cador of Carn Bran, Shadow-Drune Champion - a champion of the Shadow-Drunes, an infantry scout unit
...and here's something no-one's yet seen, until now...
 Grachdu, Tâncawrdraig of Dugadw
There'll no doubt be more never-before-seen concept art over the course of the project, too! Zedmeister's Pledge Calculator ThingyThe amazing Zedmeister (who in real life is called Zenas), a backer of all of our projects, has perpetrated a fantastic Darklands: First Edition II Pledge Calculator for this project. Thanks be to Zed! Zed's Pledge Calculator helps you work out exactly what you can get for your money - we urge you to check it out!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I said gawt damt at all those scales.r
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Post by: skullking
I'm glad that Mierce is doing well at updating things that can come in the campaign. But they really need to step outside the bounds of people who know about Mierce stuff already. Do interviews on blogs and podcasts. That's how they can reach out to new backers. I would imagine a lot of the KS 1 + 2 backers are already in the KS 2.5 already, but I don't really see much other than the occasional post on TGN.
Am I missing anything? Is there a interview on Beasts of War coming? We can only spread so much word of mouth ourselves.
I will admit, having their booth right next to forgeworld at Salute will do a lot of good. I'd imagine it will turn a lot of heads. Especially people who are not into the Horus Heresy which is now 95% of what FW does.
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Post by: plastictrees
Yup, Warhammer Forge is on life support? Well what do we have here....
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Post by: zedmeister
Update on Sáthach: Sáthach now only free until the 14th of April! We're introducing a slight change to our current backer stretch goal, Sáthach; she'll still only be produced when we reach 400 backers, but we're introducing a time limit for gold reward backers to get her for free. So you'd better get your skates on, if you're lurking, as you'll only be able to get Sáthach for free until midnight (GMT) on the 14th of April!  Sáthach (pronounced "SAW-hakh") hails from Eriu and is thus an Érainn, but she will work as a sell-sword for any kindred (yes, including the Fomoraic). She is a Ríonfénnid (pronounced "REE-on-fay-nid") or "queen-fénnid" and once led a warrior band of Fianna. Now, for reasons known only to herself, she plies her trade around the lands of darkness to the highest bidder. Highly skilled, highly intelligent and hugely beneficial to any general, Sáthach is a must-have for your host for she trains and thus changes the acuity of one of your units. Free until the 14th of April Sáthach is free for any gold reward backer that pledges before midnight (GMT) on the 14th of April 2014. If you pledge for a gold reward after that date, you must purchase Sáthach if you want her. You can, of course, purchase additional Sáthach miniatures regardless of the above. Remember that Sáthach will only be produced when we reach the 400 backer total. Managing your pledge (i.e., changing your backer ID or increasing/decreasing your pledge) has no effect on your original "Pledged At" date. A word of warning: if you cancel your pledge and then pledge again, your pledge date will change - so don't cancel after the 14th of April! 400 Backers Instead of being a monetary stretch goal, Sáthach is a backer stretch goal; we have to get to 400 backers before she will be produced. Once we get to 400 backers, one Sáthach becomes a freebie for all gold reward backers (anybody with the rewards "THE GOLD SPOT", "ALL THE UNITS" and "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT") until midnight (GMT) on the 14th of April - and she can also be purchased additionally. Note that all backers contribute towards the backer total, not just gold reward backers; so even if you are a bronze reward backer, you can still ensure she is produced and thus purchase her. If we get a lot of pledgers pledging £1, we reserve the right not to include those in the 400 backer total! Please note, the free Sáthach is limited to one per backer, but you can purchase additional ones of course.
Looks like they're putting in an incentive to pledge earlier, sort of like an early bird of sorts. Though you won't loose out on the model as it'll be a full release
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Post by: Azreal13
Gives juuust enough time for people who see the minis and get excited at Salute to get home and pledge!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
£90K stretch goal, and I know a unit many have been waiting for
NOT included in the 'all the unit's' pledge as that only covers the units up to £80K which were on the front page of the KS when it started
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Cool! Going to see if I can scrape together the funds for them, Bagseg and the giant Gomagg
Edit: Mierce, is this new unit going to be bundled at all with other miniatures (like the free ones which come with other units in this) or something else? If you wanted to make a unit with these guys and Bagseg, I wouldn't be unhappy
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Post by: decker_cky
Are those the first AHW unit by mierce? Seems like everything else had a shield or great weapon.
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Post by: razormage
Another week, another Darklands battle report up on my blog. This one's Angelcynn vs. Fomoraic.
http://thebeerwaaagh.blogspot.com/2014/04/darklands-battle-report-angelcynn-vs.html
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Post by: Denilsta
I loved the battle report, but it was a bit worrying how easily the Fomoraic brushed aside the Angelcynn. .....There was a lot of parrying going on!
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Post by: razormage
I had two turns where the Fomoraic just went insane rolling 9's for damage - which give you an extra d10 for damage. Damage very quickly adds up when you're doing that!
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Post by: Denilsta
razormage wrote:I had two turns where the Fomoraic just went insane rolling 9's for damage - which give you an extra d10 for damage. Damage very quickly adds up when you're doing that!
It was more the lack of damage when the Waewulfas charged in and bounced off the Torvax.
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Post by: bananaman
In the batt rep they were Werwulfs (the smaller version with swords) not Waelwulfs (the larger monstrous infantry versions). Werwulfs are much better at munching on enemy infantry than larger monstrous infantry.
I think Ryan was using some proxies that are larger than the Werewulfs will be, hence the confusion. (those are 60mm rounds in the batt rep? Werwulfs will be on 40mm rounds)
Though even the Waewulfas don't toe to toe vs other monstrous infantry (particularly those with great weapons) too well.
They're better playing to their advantages of high pace and attack dice, Wigleres work well with them - unbridled ferocity (on their bite) then a wolf hunts to move them into a position where they can get the swift charge when they activate and they get an extra attack dice on their bite (with extra might), +1 to hit, an impact hit, and +1 on the opponents parry)
Hunt like a wolf!
The Fomoraic monstrous infantry are quite good at soaking up damage and then beating you up with their great weapons (Sronax especially) so you need to go all out or chip away at them first.
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Post by: Azreal13
Lol, I've yet to really do more than skim the rules, so have next to no idea what most of that meant, yet it has still made me more interested to play!
While I'm here...
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Post by: Alpharius
New concept:
Angelcynn - Geoguth Herald
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Post by: prankster
And we just passed 80k. Still need another 93 backers though for that particular unlock.
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Post by: Azreal13
I'm hugely optimistic for Salute to create a halo effect with this stuff.
You only have to look in the comments here and on the KS to see the same names popping up, suggesting that we might be part of a pretty group.
I feel that the quality of the minis is such that the exposure to such a large amount of people "in the flesh" so to speak over the weekend is going to do huge positive things for the KS and Darklands in general.
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Post by: Alpharius
Byzantii Infernii (?) concept:
I think I saw it mentioned as a mount for one of the Byzantii characters?
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Post by: Baragash
azreal13 wrote:I'm hugely optimistic for Salute to create a halo effect with this stuff.
You only have to look in the comments here and on the KS to see the same names popping up, suggesting that we might be part of a pretty group.
I feel that the quality of the minis is such that the exposure to such a large amount of people "in the flesh" so to speak over the weekend is going to do huge positive things for the KS and Darklands in general.
Hopefully all those people picking up Dread Saurians next door will get awesomely-sculpted-reptile envy
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Post by: Azreal13
Exactly, if you wanted to be next to a retailer that would demonstrate exactly how high quality your models are, but also make them appear competitively priced, I don't think you could do better than Warhammer Forge/Forge World!
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Post by: Alpharius
Too true!
I hope to see a big spike upward in pledges after Salute is done!
Plus, of course, pics of the stuff on display!
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Post by: plastictrees
Gudhlagg, Oghur Uhmaer -
Wasn't sure about the Oghur in general, but this guys looks awesome. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mierce have also hinted at 'warmachine' plans in the comments. A ballista for Albainn, a beast pulled chariot for the Fomor, and (might be misremembering the name here) a Flesh Thresher for the Ysians, which would be Brute powered...
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Post by: Zond
Warmachines would be cool. And undead. I need me some resin undead.
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Post by: Alpharius
I asked in the comments, and it looks as if the Jutes will be the one's with the Undead, but they are a ways off.
Like maybe not even KS3 ways off! 
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I hadn't seen Gudhlagg. Pretty mean looking ogre. I've never liked dumb looking ogres. They need to look big, bad, and mean. Just like that guy.
Titan Forge's undead are a fun diversion if you're into goblinoid undead.
Who knows what kind of stuff Mierce would inflict on us when the time comes for the Jutes though....
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Post by: cincydooley
Ugh. This company is such bad news for me.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think they'd look a bit like this:
though there would obviously be other types too!
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SALUTE means Mierceday is on a Thursday this week!
Update #63
Apr 10 2014
Thursday is Mierce Day
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As we're off to Salute 2014 tomorrow, the usual Friday Mierce Day has to be a Thursday Mierce Day instead - which is no bad thing!
Today we have more work in progress images (including one completely new sculpt) and the usual fulfilment news as well as news about our current project, Darklands: First Edition II...
Broga, Wereofor Thegn
The lovely Valentin Zak has begun work on Broga, our Wereofor Thegn, from the concept art by Christophe Madura. It's early days, but he's coming on!
Broga was originally a Wave 2 shipment, but it looks like we can turn him to a Wave 1 shipment now, which is awesome news!
Scecchus, Servile Fiend of Dis
As Dan Cockersell is a working man he only sculpts for us part-time; this means that sculpts such as Scecchus, and so updates thereof, are few and far between. They are worth the wait, however... because Dan is, frankly, a master sculptor.
Scecchus should easily be done for Wave 1, so rejoice, Infernii lovers!
Ágriosávra, Sun Warrior
The lovely man Roberto Chaudon has continued his work on Ágriosávra, from the concept by Christophe Madura. It's certainly getting there!
Once again, Ágriosávra is a Wave 1 dude, so he'll be sent in June.
Gondard of Karaez, Flesh-Drune
Blimey. There's no stopping Stéphane Simon - look how fast Gondard of Karaez and his Nithing, Ekk, is progressing!
Gondard and friend will be a Wave 1 shipment.
Painted Dyndreigiau of Gwaelod
Sébastien Picque has been pulling out all the stops for us recently; not only has he been re-basing our old miniatures (from the square to the round), he's also been cracking on with getting the Dyndraig painted... and here's the stunning result!
Dyndreigiau of Gwaelod
Next up for Sébastien will be some Fomoraic I shouldn't wonder...!
Darklands: First Edition Fulfilment
We have some good news! The remaining items from our previous project - Darklands: a World of War - are just about all sent (barring the Wælwulfas), and so we can bring our full attention to bear on Wave 0 orders. We do believe that, now, all Wave 0 orders will be shipped by the end of April, if not earlier!
Even so, we would ask all of you to remain patient while we do so! We are only a small team and we will keep you all updated of course.
Sculpts and Sculptors
Here's the big list of who's sculpting what and when for Darklands: First Edition! Please bear in mind that this list may change over time, so don't take it as set in stone until the first work in progress shots appear.
Olivier Bouchet: Olivier Bouchet has taken on Thelliatiss, and she will be sculpted traditionally.
Stéphane Cammosetto: Stéphane has begun work on Eadric on foot - although it's just an armature at the moment - and he will sculpt Eadric on horse after that.
Allan Carrasco: next up for Allan is Knútr on Horse, Víthar, Birna and Cnebba.
Roberto Chaudon: Ágriosávra is in progress and he will be followed by Eikovra, Myrkranio, Mag ap Mag, Mälmord and finally Djiuzu, in that order.
Daniel Cockersell: the Daddy of all monster sculptors, Dan is cracking on with Scecchus.
Benoît Cosse: Benoît is still working on Darklands: a World of War miniatures and won't start Hrór, Finnan, Praach and Baagath's Herd for a good long while yet.
Thomas David: work on Timoth has begun, but we only have an armature so there's not a great deal to see.
Pedro Fernández Ramos: He'll soon begin work on Mananaan on horse.
Yannick Fusier: the awesome Bagseg is about done, and hopefully Yannick will continue his work with us in the future... on the Oghurithne warriors!
Jacques-Alexandre Gillois: work has begun on Daarkan and Naraa (although they're only armatures as of yet) and will sculpt both Equitus Durio on foot and Equitus Durio on horse afterward.
Christian Hardy: Christian will begin work on Aldhelm (taken from Maxime Penaud), Velchior and Agathae soon.
Tre Manor: Tre of Red Box Games fame will be taking time out for us to sculpt Erebius, which is now underway.
Patrick Masson: It's Gaarwäg for Patrick next, although he won't be complete until May.
Hector Moran: Work on the Dawn of Khthon, Gorgórar Unit is ongoing and after that he will be digitally sculpting Con I Modius, Legionary Contubernium.
Stéphane NGuyen: Stéphane should begin work on Seza soon, but we're not sure when right now.
Olivier Nkweti: He has started work on digitally sculpting Hanokh and Thoth.
Juan Navarro Pérez: Urien on foot is in progress, and Urien on horse, Carys, Caedoc and Ffion Ferddig will follow. He has also agreed to sculpt Tomas Johansson's Geat Warrior, Trytheorn, although he's not sure when that will occur.
Stéphane Simon: thanks to his incredible speed, Gondard of Kareaz along with his Nithing, Ekk, is almost done; and after them he'll have Crom on horse, Xontór, the Holumenn Unit and the Gesíth Unit to do. Phew!
Valentin Zak: Valentin has begun work on Broga and he should be finished fairly soon.
Unknown: the remaining two descendants, which are Rick Boer's Frisian Warrior (due to be drawn by Stefan Kopinski) and Maximilian Schüte's Germanic Berserker.
Now that is a lot of sculpts...
Completed Sculpts
We thought this would be a good idea, as things are cracking on - a list of completed sculpts, in kindred order! Completed sculpts are in bold; in progress sculpts are in italics.
ALBAINN: Dúngal on foot - Dúngal on horse - Ciniod - Itaina - Domnech - Bagseg
ANGELCYNN: Eadric on foot - Eadric on horse - Timoth - Aldhelm - Hrór - Leofwen on foot - Gesíth Unit - Cnebba
BRYTHONIAID: Urien on foot - Urien on horse - Carys - Caedoc - Ffion Ferddig - Angedern - Mag ap Mag
BYZANTII: Equitus Durio on foot - Equitus Durio on horse - Erebius - Agathae - Velchior - Djiuzu - Con I Modius
FOMORAIC: Mananaan on foot - Mananaan on horse - Idruaada - Daarkan - Naraa - Gaarwäg - Baagath's Herd - Praach
INFERNII: Scecchus
KHTHONES: Xontór - Thelliatiss - Dawn of Khthon (Myrinna - Syntyss - Thillia - Phyllidii - Elthissi) - Thoth - Hanokh - Ágriosávra - Eikovra - Myrkranio
NORSE: Knútr on foot - Knútr on horse - Birna - Víthar - Rollo Iron Head - Jörmungand - Hrafnen Crew - Mälmord
YSIANS: Crom on foot - Crom on horse - Annik - Zethag - Gondard (Gondard - Ekk) - Brugg - Seza
SELL-SWORDS: Uhtred Uhtredson, Finnan, Danilo Cruz
DESCENDANTS: Ieuan Longshore and Taranau, Trytheorn, Rick Boer's Frisian Warrior, Max Schüte's German Berserker
Let us know if we've missed anything!
The Darklands First Edition Rules
Now, before we get onto the next project, a word on the Darklands: First Edition hardback rulebook.
We've decided to put back the printing of the rulebook to November.
There's a number of good reasons for doing this, but the main reason is simply so that we can include extra stuff - and so increase the value of what you're getting!
This extra stuff will include whatever we need for the miniatures produced by the next Kickstarter project (such as muster summaries, or perhaps new rules to cover the abilities of new creatures where required), more background material, more colour artwork... whatever we can fit in really.
Please note, the printing delay will NOT affect the delivery of:
miniatures slated for delivery in Wave 1
miniatures tied to the book itself (such as Uhtred or Finnan)
the rules themselves - we'll still give you the full rules in June as a PDF download, although perhaps not with as pretty pictures
We'll also ship the rulebook to you when it's available without tying it to a Wave - it's only fair to do so!
Now, we're aware a lot of you guys and gals out there were very keen to get your hands on the book when - let's face it - we said we'd deliver it; but we hope you understand that we simply want to make that book better for you.
The Darklands Concept Art Book
Similarly, we're going to delay the printing of the Darklands Concept Art book.
The main reason for this is very simple - we want to add as much art as we can to it, so we're going to include all the art seen in the next project. Again, we understand that you guys would want the book in June; but we just want to give you more for the same amount of money!
Darklands: First Edition II still needs YOU!
It's been a whirlwind of a few weeks since our next Kickstarter project, Darklands: First Edition II, went live, and whilst we've smashed our initial goal of £20,000 and have now funded all of the initial Units stretch goals - we stand at just over £80,000 - we still need YOU to come in and pledge, if you haven't done so already, to push the project further and get producing lots of awesome new miniatures!
Darklands: First Edition II ends on Wednesday the 23rd of April ( St George's Day, of course), which means you've still got thirteen days to get a pledge in!
What's it all about?
It's all about funding units! The point of Darklands: First Edition II is to create units for eight kindreds - Albainn, Angelcynn, Brythoniaid, Byzantii/Infernii, Fomoraic, Khthones, Norse and Ysians/Vras. Each unit includes a free, project exclusive miniature too!
It's not just the units, either - there's plenty of other stuff to go for, including beasts, commanders, more units eventually and even some accessories.
Here's what you can pledge for at the moment... this will change rapidly, so keep watching the project!
There may well be more units as time goes by, too!
Freebies Galore!
To add amazing value to those units, if you've pledged for one you get a free, project exclusive, strictly limited edition miniature too - such as Feral Agathae below, free with the Craven Fiends of Dis!
Feral Agathae, free with the Craven Fiends of Dis
Additionally, if you've gone for the "ALL THE INITIAL UNITS" or "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT", you get Uhtred on Horseback - sculpted by Patrick Masson from a concept by Stefan Kopinski - for free!
Uhtred on Horseback
If you've gone for a Gold Reward, and we reach 400 backers, you'll get Sáthach - our Irish Fianna Queen - for free, as long as you pledge before the 14th of April!
Watch out for more freebies as the project continues, too!
Great Value Rewards to Choose From
There's four different rewards to go for in Darklands: First Edition II, and each give you great value for your funding contribution:
"I JUST WANT SOME COOL MINIATURES" bronze reward - for those who want a few single miniatures or other bits from the project, which will be purchased them at bronze cost.
"THE GOLD SPOT" gold reward - this allows you to purchase items at gold cost. Additionally, if you go for this reward, you'll get some other extras... which we'll reveal when they're ready ;o)
"ALL THE UNITS" gold reward - this enables you to purchase all of the INITIAL units shown at the beginning, at an almost 40% discount from buying them individually, and any future purchases will be at gold cost. This is a fantastic deal, especially when you add in those freebies!
The "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT" gold reward mirrors the one from this project, and enables you to purchase stuff at gold cost.
There's plenty more to it than that, but that's a simple overview of what you can go for!
What's this "Bronze" and "Gold" malarkey?
Virtually every item shown on the project has a gold cost and a bronze cost in pounds sterling.
Each reward is either a "gold reward" or a "bronze reward".
Pledging for a bronze reward allows you to purchase items at bronze prices.
Pledging for a Gold reward allows you to purchase items at gold prices!
It's that simple!
(Although some items, particularly freebies, can only be purchased additionally at one cost for both gold and bronze rewards).
So what's the best deal?
Without a doubt, the "ALL THE UNITS" reward. For just £400, you get 49 miniatures (five from each unit, eight free project exclusives and Uhtred on Horseback) worth £785 when bought separately at RRP; that's almost 50% off! Not only that, but you'll get a £40 gold reward bonus with "ALL THE UNITS" - how amazing is that!
"THE GOLD SPOT" is a pretty good deal too. For just £100, you get a gold reward bonus of £10 (giving you £110 to spend) and you can pledge for miniatures at 20% off their UK RRP.
For your £100, for example, you could pledge for the Slaughterers for £80 (getting Enslaved Ágriosávra for free, too, worth £115 if purchased at RRP) and the Loyal Guard for £28 (getting Tonsured Caedoc for free, and worth £50 if purchased at RRP).
Thus, you're getting £165 worth of miniatures for pleding £100 - that's 40% off what they'd be at RRP!
There's plenty of deals to be had!
Added Benefits!
Not only do you get to fund fantastic new miniatures for the Darklands range, and up to 40% cheaper than they will be when eventually released, you also get loads more!
By backing Darklands: First Edition II, you also get
£10 added to your pledge for every £100 you contribute - called the gold reward bonus. Thus, if you've pledged £1,000, you actually get £1,100 when you manage your pledge - effectively a 10% bonus! Note: this is ONLY given to backers that have chosen a gold reward.
the chance to purchase the limited edition, project-exclusive sell-sword Uhtred on Horseback as well as other project exclusives, if you haven't got them free!
the chance to get Sáthach, Ríonfénnid for free if you choose a gold reward and pledge before the 14th of April
the possibility to get your hands on further deals and offers as the project continues
access to the special post-project Kickstarter category on our website, where you manage your pledge, but which also enables you to purchase miniatures from our existing range at 20% off UK RRP until the end of May
access to items from the Darklands: First Edition project in that Kickstarter category on our website until the end of May - at that project's prices!
Now those are fantastic deals!
What are you Waiting For?
Head on over to Darklands: First Edition II and see what you can help to fund!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
For embedding all those images before me
I salute you
and that Nithing looks cool
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Post by: bananaman
A Darklands battle report has been posted here http://mierce-miniatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=272 has some pics and stuff.
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Post by: Slinky
Another concept - Erebius on Behemat:
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I do like that steed
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Post by: skullking
I would def up, for that pup!
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Post by: Alpharius
I can't wait for pics of more stuff from SALUTE.
Not saying they'll be surprises here, but always nice to see stuff 'out in the wild'
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Post by: Zond
Everytime I get the factions in my head sorted out, they confuse me with more awesome models.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Oh hot-damn, when are we going to see human-sized infantry for the Byzantii?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
We had them last KS  I believe they're scheduled for digital sculpting by Hector Moran who's working the Gorgonares at the moment (and who had done excellent stuff for Kingdom Death in the past amongst others)
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Post by: Alpharius
We already have - last Kickstarter!
They look very Roman...
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Post by: Darth Bob
The Legionary Contubernium are very cool.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
I just got a bit of a windfall and I am looking for someone to split the "all the units" pledge with me. The four I would be most interested in are: Brythoniaid, Fomorac, Khthones, and Byzantii. I would also add in most of the options for those four factions.
If anyone is interested in the other four factions send me a PM so we could iron out the details. Thanks.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Malachai on the KS comments has tracked down some better shots of Gromi the Oghurigg (£24 or £48 for 3 variants) posted by his sculptor Olivier Bouchet which make him look much better than the small photo Mierce posted http://www.puttyandpaint.com/projects/3730 I'll stick a few here but there are more angles in the link above    I was thinking of giving him a miss, but now I can see him properly I think I may have to try and find the funds
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Post by: Looky Likey
I'm not a fan of his head, are there any alternatives?
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Post by: Azreal13
Yep, two of them.
Though I suspect they're not really an improvement of you don't like the original!
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Post by: Looky Likey
Yeah they still look a bit goofy to me. Good thing really as I have a big list of other stuff I want!
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Post by: yxalitis
Well, all my KS 1 and 2 minis have arrived now.
Firstly, WOW, so much awesome goodness!
As always, the resin is clean, crisp, highly detailed, and beautifully cast.
The value for money can't be beat, the Dragon cost me 40£, it's currently over twice that on the Mierce website!
The precision of the fit between parts has always impressed me, gone are the dark old days of filing away for a week to get two lumps of metal to meet together without leaving a 2mm gap.
However...
I've twenty years experience assembling minis, with and without instructions, but, you know, sometimes a little guide would help.
Particurly when there are optional parts...like:
 ,
Who has two alternates for the head spike, one central or as in the picture above, two.
DAMN!
I like them BOTH!
I hate it when that happens!
Grrr, it's as bad as the three different tongues I had to choose from for my Heresy dragon...
Hmm, is this an example of 1st-world problems?
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Post by: Zond
I think Gromi love Chunk. Makes my Albainn sad.
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Post by: RiTides
Gromi is a weak sculpt compared to their usual, I think... that sea spent, on the other hand, is sweet!
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Post by: greywulf
yxalitis wrote:
Who has two alternates for the head spike, one central or as in the picture above, two.
DAMN!
I like them BOTH!
I hate it when that happens!
Ever tried neodymium magnets? I'm positive they can solve all your trouble. They're not really first-world problems, more general artistic and creative problems, they kinds I'm sure great artists have struggled with since the beginning of time.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
£92.5K stretch
Skyclad Itaina is free to anybody who has purchased the Oghu Keepers unit (whichever way you've bought it). Otherwise, she's £15 regardless of the reward!
Additionally, she's a project exclusive; she will never, ever be released to the general public, although we do reserve the right to produce her for sale at shows and events.
Please note, the free Skyclad Itaina is limited to one per backer, but of course you can purchase additional Skyclad Itaina miniatures within this project.
No Exchanges!
Note that we will not exchange Skyclad Itaina for any other miniature, so please don't ask! She is tied to her unit.
The reason for doing this is simple - logistically it's a nightmare to exchange miniatures and will lead to errors when we get to packing your orders. Of course, we are very sure that other backers will help out with exchanges, and our forums are the perfect place to do so!
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Post by: decker_cky
Darn - I was hoping for Domnech (albainn wizard) as the alternate model for the Oghu keepers.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
We've now reached £85,000, and that means Tykho is now unlocked - hurrah! It also means we have another stretch goal for you...
We've now reached £85,000, and that means Tykho is now unlocked - hurrah! It also means we have another stretch goal for you...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I call dibs on the croc.
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Post by: grefven
I hope that Benoit Cosse can translate the pose of concept art into a miniature. I really like that pose of that croc.
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Post by: decker_cky
Mierce certainly seems to have made some fans at Salute. Making lots of stretches, and still a few days from the late campaign boost.
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Post by: zedmeister
More concept art teasers:
Stígr, Felljötunn
80mm base, around 70-80mm to the eye...
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Post by: Alpharius
Another NORSE MASTERPIECE - DAMN!
This is getting pricey.
Again!
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Post by: yxalitis
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:£92.5K stretch
Skyclad Itaina is free to anybody who has purchased the Oghu Keepers unit (whichever way you've bought it). Otherwise, she's £15 regardless of the reward!
Additionally, she's a project exclusive; she will never, ever be released to the general public, although we do reserve the right to produce her for sale at shows and events.
Please note, the free Skyclad Itaina is limited to one per backer, but of course you can purchase additional Skyclad Itaina miniatures within this project.
No Exchanges!
Note that we will not exchange Skyclad Itaina for any other miniature, so please don't ask! She is tied to her unit.
The reason for doing this is simple - logistically it's a nightmare to exchange miniatures and will lead to errors when we get to packing your orders. Of course, we are very sure that other backers will help out with exchanges, and our forums are the perfect place to do so!
Wow, the artists are getting really slack, just two rectangles for armour?
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Stígr, Felljötunn
80mm base, around 70-80mm to the eye...
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrow,"
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I still am impressed with how impeccably groomed that Stigr is.
What a dapper looking Jötunn
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Post by: Zond
It is a proper gent. Might have to drop this kickstarter due to unforeseen circumstances. I'm also concerned I'll never find anyone willing to grab an army at retail prices.
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Project Update #33: £100,000 - Warriors of Dyngonwy, Rhyfelwyr Unit
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It's been an incredible few days of pledging and thanks to that we've now passed £90,000 - which is brilliant, because the Oghu Keepers, the Oghurithne Unit, will definitely be produced!
This does of course mean that we must unveil the next unit to pledge for, and that's the Rhyfelwyr for the Brythoniaid...
The Warriors of Dyngonwy are a unit of five Rhyfelwyr with champion, banner bearer and herald, and you can field them in units of 5-20. Rhyfelwyr - pronounced "ru-VEL-wər" - are the most common infantry warriors in the Brythoniaid hosts, able to fulfil a number of different roles for their lord (from shieldwall infantry to ambushers to archers), and so are Mainstay ubiquity. Their acuity will be trained, but this can be increased to drilled and veteran depending on the gold spent. They wield swords, shields and bows, and wear chainmail. They stand on 30mm bases and will be around 30mm to the eye.
They are NOT in "ALL THE UNITS"
Please note, the Warriors of Dyngonwy are NOT part of the "ALL THE UNITS" pledge; you must increase your pledge further if you wish to purchase them.
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Post by: zedmeister
Unrelated to the KS, a load of new releases have appeared in the Mierce shop:
Releases for May
It's time to unveil May's Mierce Miniatures releases, five of them, all of which hail from our Darklands: A World of War Kickstarter project, which is now almost complete. Don't despair, however, for we're currently running another fantastic project, Darklands: First Edition II - head on over and pledge your heart out!
Back to the releases. This month we bring you a warlord to command your host (Belech), two mounted warchiefs to help that host be commanded (Leofwen on Great Hart, Kernuor on Karnun-Beast) and two mighty monstrous beasts (Maallolvór and Chysperis) to wreak havoc upon the enemy. It's another great month of releases from us!
Just like the last few months, thanks to us being busier than busy bees we've just not had the time to get the release art and descriptions done; but you can still see some good images of each miniature on the website of course.
Leofwen, Fane-Bearer of Déra on Great Hart
Leofwen is the first representation of the Déora, those deer-warriors from the north, Déra, and now exiled thanks to the Christian lash of Northumbraland. Some scratch a living in pagan Angle-land and some seek retribution against their persecutors, and Leofwen is more than happy to take the fight back to the Christians. But never mind all that: Leofwen is a beautiful miniature, sculpted by Stéphane Simon from a concept by Stefan Kopinski, and she brings an added dimension to your Angelcynn host for she is, of course, a host banner bearer.
Belech, Scion of Baalor
A superb sculpt by Roberto Chaudon (from art by Danny Cruz) that captures all the character of the sea devil within, Belech is a fantastic warlord for the Fomoraic and one of the Fíorfomor or True Fomorians, a descendant of Baalor himself. Equally adept at the magic arts as he is throwing a great big ice sword around, Belech is greatly useful to the Fomoraic player for he can ensure all of the myriad monstrosities of Baalor works together for the greater good of the Eye in the Ice.
Maallolvór, Lumbering Mallox
The hairy beasts of Baalor are joined this month by another hairy beast, the mighty Maallolvór, a mutated giant sloth-creature (a Mallox) with razor-sharp claws and a bad attitude. Sculpted by Benoît Cosse from a concept by Stefan Kopinski, Maallolvór really does come keen on the battlefield!
Maallolvór stands on a 100mm base and is around 90mm to the top of his right paw.
Chysperis, Fídron of Khthon
The Gorgones get themselves a huge monstrous beast this month in the somewhat scaly shape of Chysperis (pronounced 'KISS-per- iss'), and we really do mean hugely monstrous - he totally fills that 120mm base and, to the tip of his tail, he's 162mm tail. That is a big snake!
Chysperis has been masterfully sculpted by Roberto Chaudon from a concept by Danny Cruz.
Kernuor, Seer-Drune on Karnun-Beast
Sculpted by James van Schaik from a concept by Danny Cruz, Kernuor the Seer-Drune now has a mount to ride, a Karnun-Beast to be exact, a mutated creature of Ker-Ys and a useful servant for any sorcerer who risks getting too close to the enemy. Mutated he may be, but the Karnun-Beast is not slow!
All of the releases above will be officially released on the 3rd of May 2014, but you can pre-order them now from this very website to your heart's content!
Darklands Bases
We have three new sizes of base for you all this month, 40mm, 50mm and 80mm. This means we have a wide range of bases sizes to ensure our miniatures work better on the battlefield!
Remember, too, that certain miniatures' base sizes have now been altered thanks to the new bases' availability. If you have miniatures with these bases and want the new sizes, firstly bear in mind you can still use those miniatures on the old bases in Darklands, and secondly, there's no need to purchase them - just drop us a line and we'll send you what you need.
These miniatures' base sizes have been changed:
Ckaarakk, Tarvax Untain - 50mm
Tarvax Warrior - 50mm
Beowa (bear form) - 50mm
Urbad - 50mm
Creoda, Guthwulf - 80mm
There'll be more releases next month!
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Post by: Alpharius
Title updated!
SALUTE seems to have helped here quite a bit - the campaign is now up to 374 backers!
Only 26 more to go for a free Sáthach miniature for everyone at the "GOLD SPOT" level.
BUT...you have to be a "GOLD SPOT" pledger no latter than midnight tonight, GMT!
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Post by: RiTides
I don't think there's any way they can verify what your pledge level was on this date. I would assume you have to back the project by this date, but "end up" at Gold Spot or above by the end to get the free figure.
Belech looks good above, but where's the axeman version?
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I think they do get told that so-and-so pledged for the <whatever> level on <date>.
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I guess that could be, but would they really check if someone upped to Gold Spot later, anyway? (I.e. would they bother to check preliminary pledge level, rather than just pledge date... seems like a nightmare)
These kinds of incentives have never worked with me... unfortunately it kind of seals the deal for me not to pledge, since I'd still be making up my mind and don't like being forced into a false deadline to pledge by.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm not sure what's 'false' about the deadline?
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Post by: RiTides
The normal "pledge by" date is a deadline set by Kickstarter- so a somewhat real deadline, as they begin processing credit cards, and a few weeks later release the funds to the creator to make their project a reality.
A mid-project deadline is simply to try to get folks to pledge early... but it works as a disincentive for folks pledging late! It's not a deadline required by the campaign platform, it's purely to get people to pledge earlier than is required.
I'm not saying it's evil or anything- I'm just saying it works as a disincentive as well as an incentive in many cases, and I haven't seen that tactic be too successful (Mantic's using it comes to mind, by their closing off a sweetspot pledge level partway through the campaign, but getting less of a final push possibly at least partly as a result)
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Post by: razormage
I'm sorry you feel that way, RiTides. Would it help you if you looked at is as an Early Bird type of incentive, except not capped at a number of backers but by a cut-off date? Nothing would be stopping you from dropping your pledge at a later date; it's not like your card would get charged immediately.
I assume the reason for the deadline is similar to the reason for the Kickstarter - get sculptors booked as early as they can to ensure on-time delivery. Knowing they've hit (arbitrarily [code]£100k) by the 14th allows them to get sculptors contacted a week or two early, and helps them get to the front of the line on sculptors who may have had their image or publicity helped by Salute, and who are about to get a number of commission offers.
It's very frustrating when people complain about free stuff.
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Post by: Azreal13
Another new concept..
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Post by: RiTides
razor, that is definitely another way of looking at it- however, I don't think my comment could be fairly classified as "complaining about free stuff". For anyone who backs after today, it won't be free, after all!
It's not a deal-breaker but it forces me to decide whether I want in now, and I'm not ready to decide now, so it ends up being an unnecessary (imo) disincentive to later backers.
I certainly can't see any argument that it could Help the final push... again, not a huge deal, just not a tactic that I think has been shown to be all that effective on Kickstarter (unlike, in the right circumstances, early bird pledge levels, for example).
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Post by: plastictrees
The decision was based on comments section feedback. I'm not sure that I think it's the best thing for the campaign, but it tied in well with Salute.
I don't quite get the 'deciding to pledge' thing, this isn't IGG, you can lower and cancel your pledge at any time. I have no qualms about pledging for something and then dropping it later if I decide its not for me. I see my pledge as a commitment to give a project a fair shot at keeping or raising that pledge, not a commitment of the money itself until the campaign ends.
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Post by: RiTides
I personally try not to drop a pledge once I've made it, as I feel that "yanks the chain" of the creators a bit... I have dropped pledges but it's always been because of a development in the campaign (Kingdom Death not being able to commit to a material during the campaign, Spaceship-X not communicating even while the campaign was running, etc).
Also, it's much easier to get sucked into a campaign once you have pledged, even a small amount . That just happened to me with Dwarven Forge, and while I don't regret it, it's not something I can afford to do too often!
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