Denilsta wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I would rather that the IP that belongs to the game is used to relaunch the game rather than being exploited to make a quick buck by another company.

I'm surprised to see so many dakka'ites so keen to support this sort of behaviour.

We're an easy going bunch who never complain

That genuinely made me laugh, exalted.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I would rather that the IP that belongs to the game is used to relaunch the game rather than being exploited to make a quick buck by another company.

I'm surprised to see so many dakka'ites so keen to support this sort of behaviour.

I find it funny you are defending coolmini. You ever heard of wrath of kings?

http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/wrath-of-kings/wrath-of-kings-skorza-skirmisher-limited-edition.html

That is pretty much a wolfen model.

Anyway I think you are overreaching. So many different miniature games out now there is bound to be similarities and I think the example above is nothing more then an artists particular style.

I am more concerned when people take other peoples artwork and make miniatures out. Giving no credit or money to the original artist.

how dare an artist continue to be an artist after one of the many companies that sold his artwork folded

Where am I saying he should of he an artist? Go on let's see that quote.

No what I have an issue with is that this particular form of artistic expression is far to close to an existing miniature to pass without comment.

However seems to a lot of people here happy to tolerate a cash grab rip off, rather than want to see the rebirth of a game to create more diversity in the market which is a good thing for all.

@mahdrol first of all show me a miniature from the rackham range that features the same distinct sculptural elements in the same pose. Secondly coolmini owns wrath of kings, coolmini owns the rackham mini rights so they can pretty much do what they want with those two.

Mahrdol wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I would rather that the IP that belongs to the game is used to relaunch the game rather than being exploited to make a quick buck by another company.

I'm surprised to see so many dakka'ites so keen to support this sort of behaviour.

I find it funny you are defending coolmini. You ever heard of wrath of kings?

http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/wrath-of-kings/wrath-of-kings-skorza-skirmisher-limited-edition.html

That is pretty much a wolfen model.

Anyway I think you are overreaching. So many different miniature games out now there is bound to be similarities and I think the example above is nothing more then an artists particular style.

I am more concerned when people take other peoples artwork and make miniatures out. Giving no credit or money to the original artist.

Nearly all of the Goritsi wolf models are being done by the same sculptors that did the Wolfen for Rackham.

Umm, have you looked at what Legacy has re-released from Rackham on CMoN. Speaking of a cash grab rip off...

1: The Confrontation Phoenix Kickstarter will be fine, even if he rules are as poor as I've heard.

2: Mierce's Kelts are huge muscular psychopaths, Rackhams Drunes were lean, cannabalistic psychopaths. The Horned Raiders will be dwarfed by the model you are so upset by.

3: Evil Kelts are not exclusive property of Rackham, and I say this as someone who owns every Drune model.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
However seems to a lot of people here happy to tolerate a cash grab rip off, rather than want to see the rebirth of a game to create more diversity in the market which is a good thing for all.

How is it a cash grab if he's sculpting a figure that is a mounted version of a figure he's already sculpted for the company in question, for a game the company is making? It's literally the mounted version of a guy on foot that already exists. By the same sculptor.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:


@mahdrol first of all show me a miniature from the rackham range that features the same distinct sculptural elements in the same pose. Secondly coolmini owns wrath of kings, coolmini owns the rackham mini rights so they can pretty much do what they want with those two.

Cool minis does not own the rights to Confrontation. Cyanide does unless I have missed the sale to coolmini. Pretty sure Cyanide has nothing to do with wrath of kings and wrath of kings was made before coolmini decided to reboot confrontation for Cyanide. I don't have an issue with what coolmini did even though I think that model is a wolfen knockoff. Like I said so many different games and I am pretty sure Rackham did not own the rights to humanoid wolves even though I bet you could very easily take that wrath of kings model and put it in your wolfen army.

@judgedoug it's a bare faced copy of an existing miniature from another company.

@mahdrol yes coolminiown the mini rights for rackham minis and has been slowly rereleasing them through their legacy range.

Guess I'm just the odd one out for not supporting IP infringement, oh well.

Pose is similar, and the horse does indeed have some bone neck armor.

Different head, arm armor, leg armor, belt, build, horse head, horse tail...



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Basically what is the same is the sculptor is the same. If it was a different sculptor it probably actually would look nothing alike.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@judgedoug it's a bare faced copy of an existing miniature from another company.

@mahdrol yes coolminiown the mini rights for rackham minis and has been slowly rereleasing them through their legacy range.

Guess I'm just the odd one out for not supporting IP infringement, oh well.

I don't think that is true. They licensed the rights to produce the miniatures.

I hear what you are saying but I don't feel that is legally ip infringement. If you don't want to support that model that is your choice just like it is mine to not support the wrath of kings for the wolfen knockoffs.

@judgedoug thanks for posting that (mobile photo bucket is being a nuisance ATM) as it helps to prove my point.

@mahdrol you can support whatever you want I just feel your analogy is a poor one as it involves two linked ranges.

Well I've said my piece so to avoid detailing the thread further I will call it day. But needless to say this definately hasn't improved my opinion of mierce miniatures.

Seriously, people. The sculptors for the models in question ARE THE SAME!

The Goritisi are the Vampire/werewolf/Monster faction of Wrath of Kings. The "wolfen knockoffs" are done by the EXACT SAME SCULPTOR THAT DID THE CONFRON VESTALS.

They're not knockoffs, and the later models for the Wrath of Kings werewolfs have steampunk elements.

Calling them rip offs or knock off is absurd.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@judgedoug thanks for posting that (mobile photo bucket is being a nuisance ATM) as it helps to prove my point.

No prob. Didn't realize your point was that the differences outnumber the similarities by several factors. Of course these guys share as many similarities

@judgedoug your perfectly entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be ;-)

@cincydooly so if the guy that sculpted the current tactical squad space marines went to work for mantic and sculpted and exact copy it would be fine for them to be put into production because they are sculpted by the same guy. Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick there buddy.

There are certainly repeated themes in the sculpt, but it remains a new sculpt. He's using things he's incorporated into previous sculpts, you could claim this is mimicking his previous work but it's not copying it. If Jes G went to work someplace else and was asked to sculpt a tribal elf or a cyberpunk ganger, you can guarantee there'd be a severe mohawk in the range and at least one model would be pointing, side on, cos he likes sculpting them like that... It's the sculptor's equivalent of a signature.

And Rackham is dead.

And CMON are charging an arm and a leg for their limited range of the old Rackham minis, it's difficult to elicit sympathies for them there.

 cincydooley wrote:
Seriously, people. The sculptors for the models in question ARE THE SAME!

The Goritisi are the Vampire/werewolf/Monster faction of Wrath of Kings. The "wolfen knockoffs" are done by the EXACT SAME SCULPTOR THAT DID THE CONFRON VESTALS.

They're not knockoffs, and the later models for the Wrath of Kings werewolfs have steampunk elements.

Calling them rip offs or knock off is absurd.

Ok maybe knock offs is the wrong word but that Goritisi wolfen is very similar and interchangeable to that of Confrontation wolfen miniatures. I stated before I don't have an issue of it and its not illegal. It is no more different then the WIP of the darkands miniature. Like I said to each their own but saying that the Darlands miniature is IP infringement is not correct in my opinion.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Well that's starting to look very much like a rackham rip off to me.

Rip off =/= inspired by.

90% of mierce artists are old rackham artists, you can't expect an artists to throw away their style because they are changing company. That's not part of the IP.

And about that:

Don't you think everything is ripped off by something.
The biggest example being Games Workshop vs Blizzard (Activision): Warcraft and Starcraft are direct copies of Warhammer en WH40K I don't hear anyone complaining about that...

Also, I love the confrontation mini's and even the game. I am looking forward to the kickstarter, but I don't expect much from it.
They will probably do some mass recasting of the old/unreleased minis. The rules might be ok if we get lucky, if not most people will still use 3.0/3.5 ruleset.

Will they expand the range? If so I hope they can get the old sculptors and artists back, if not allot of the rackham IP you mentioned will actually be lost anyway...

Right....back to the threat, £85'000 Stretch goal busted, whats next, only 20 hours left!


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I'll answer my own question..

As we're at £85,000 and have reached a cracking stretch goal, for our last day on this Kickstarter campaign we've decided to create not just one more stretch goal, but many - just in case we go crazy!
What this means is that as we get to certain levels miniatures will be unlocked and we will definitely make them should we get to that level. This will go all the way from £90,000 to £125,000, at which point we'll give you all a free miniature - although we won't unveil what it is until we get to £100,000!
Note: we have had a long think about it and have had to increase the pledge differences slightly from what we've stated before. Apologies if this causes you problems, but we really do need to get the money to make them!
Also note: if no images are showing, that is because we do not have the concept art for them yet. That will occur over the next couple of weeks, however!
So, here's the stretch goals...
£90,000 - Werwulf Unit

A unit of Werwulfas that will look quite similar to Cearl, the Werwulf Thegn for the Angelcynn that is already unlocked. The concepts are not yet available but will be soon, certainly within a week or so. Trust us when we say they will be magnificent!

There will be five Werwulfas - a Champion, a Standard-Bearer, a Musician and two Warriors - and you can increase your pledge by £70 to get hold of this unit. It's likely we'll get to £90,000 over the course of the last day so if you fancy some Angelcynn monstrous infantry, go for it!
£92,500 Stretch Goal - Angrislaug, Draiggoch of Eryri

For the Brythoniaid we have a very large dragon, Angrislaug. Increase your pledge by £40 for him, although we think he speaks for himself:

£95,000 Stretch Goal - Hrudinn, Valhrafn

A raven-giant for the Norse, Hrudinn will be bulky and nasty and winged. What more could you need to dominate the tabletop? Increase your pledge by £40 to get him!



£97,500 Stretch Goal - Ygandr, Hydra of Khthon

The Khthones get themselves a massive Hydra at £97,500. He really will kick those Atalantes into touch! Increase your pledge by £40 to get him!


£100,000 Stretch Goal - Vaak, Moraine Beast

Increase your pledge by £40 to get Vaak, a mighty Fomoraic construct of ice and rock to batter their enemies with. As if Uuthüll wasn't enough!
£102,500 Stretch Goal - Jowan of Carn Dhu, Hound-Master with three Drune-Hounds

The Drunes get Jowan of Carn Dhu and three Drune-Hounds, mighty beasts on 60mm bases, at £102,500 - as long as you increase your pledge by £26!

£107,500 Stretch Goal - Druc, Meat-Hulk

He's not green, but he's certainly a hulk... Druc will batter the enemies of the Ysians senseless with his mighty frame. Increase your pledge by £40 to get him!

£125,000 Stretch Goal

At this level, we'll give everyone who has backed this Kickstarter a free miniature. We're not going to reveal anything about it until we get to £100,000, though!
All of these stretch goals will provisionally ship in December 2013, but we have no doubt that some will appear earlier than that - and these could slip to January 2014 so please bear that in mind.
Note, there are no additional shipping fees if you've already chosen a Starter Set!
Get pledging everyone!



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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@judgedoug your perfectly entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be ;-)

@cincydooly so if the guy that sculpted the current tactical squad space marines went to work for mantic and sculpted and exact copy it would be fine for them to be put into production because they are sculpted by the same guy. Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick there buddy.

exact copy? so because the bones on the horse are similar, it's an exact copy?

yes, if one company produces an _exact copy_ then it is theft - literally taking a miniature and recasting it.

interestingly, regarding your space marine example... unless my history is incorrect, Bob Naismith sculpted the Laserburn infantry for Asgard Miniatures and TableTop, and then sculpted LE2 Space Marine for Citadel in 1985, and the Space Marines range from 1986-1989. the Laserburn figs and Space Marines are very similar, shoulder pads and beakie helmets and all.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@judgedoug your perfectly entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be ;-)

@cincydooly so if the guy that sculpted the current tactical squad space marines went to work for mantic and sculpted and exact copy it would be fine for them to be put into production because they are sculpted by the same guy. Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick there buddy.

I think you may want to reevaluate what an 'exact copy' is there, boss.

Are there aesthetic similarities? Sure. Because it's that sculptor's aesthetic.

As for the Wolfen model -> I have examples of both. They're in different scale. The weapons are styled differently. And like I said earlier, the future WoK Wolf models will be incorporating some steam punk aspects.

Back to Darklands:

I'm really digging the new Raven dudes for the Norse, which is the faction I think I'm going to end up going with. But I won't lie: as someone that is a huge sucker for werewolf miniatures, I'm really tempted by the Anglycnn...if only I didn't already have three of the models....

 judgedoug wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@judgedoug your perfectly entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be ;-)

@cincydooly so if the guy that sculpted the current tactical squad space marines went to work for mantic and sculpted and exact copy it would be fine for them to be put into production because they are sculpted by the same guy. Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick there buddy.

exact copy? so because the bones on the horse are similar, it's an exact copy?

yes, if one company produces an _exact copy_ then it is theft - literally taking a miniature and recasting it.

interestingly, regarding your space marine example... unless my history is incorrect, Bob Naismith sculpted the Laserburn infantry for Asgard Miniatures and TableTop, and then sculpted LE2 Space Marine for Citadel in 1985, and the Space Marines range from 1986-1989. the Laserburn figs and Space Marines are very similar, shoulder pads and beakie helmets and all.

Sigh...

The simple fact of the matter is that judgedoug is far closer in his understanding of the relevant laws and standards then you are here UNCLEBADTOUCH, at least insofar as the laws of the US are concerned.

It would be clearly impermissible to produce an "exact copy" of a miniature; it is thus important to realize that what is being referred to hear does not come even vaguely close to meeting the standard of "exact copy", as the images posted above are clearly non-identical.

A more difficult question would be the issue of a "derivative work"; generally speaking a derivative work is "“a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted".

The problem is, as aptly demonstrated above, the degree of similarity is essentially that they are two mounted barbarians with semi-skeletal horses. While the bone styles in the horse's mane are very stylistically similar, there are also notable divergences: the horse's skull face rather then barding, and the skull spaulder versus the armor, as well as stylistic differences in the armor on both figures. Simply put, as per the precedent in Herbert Rosenthal Jewelry Corp v. Kalpakian, copyright does not extend so far over derivative works as to confer protection over the entire "idea", only a single "expression".

Man I hope we get that Mallox, he is AWESOME! Some really cool figures up till the end here, I hope there's some substantial push coming, I think this line is really awesome!

 judgedoug wrote:


Pose is similar, and the horse does indeed have some bone neck armor.

Different head, arm armor, leg armor, belt, build, horse head, horse tail...



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Basically what is the same is the sculptor is the same. If it was a different sculptor it probably actually would look nothing alike.

And those guys lineage traces back to Frazetta's Death Dealer, which was no doubt inspired by something I dont know about that ripped off something else that was some cave man's IP. Art borrows from art.


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
And CMON are charging an arm and a leg for their limited range of the old Rackham minis, it's difficult to elicit sympathies for them there.

This. And they wonder why the stuff readily available for a third of the price on ebay isnt flying off the shelves. How many U-Haul boxes of Rackham metal are you guys sitting on that was clearanced for 80% off? I've got at least 2 that I know where they are lol.

Yea, imo you are way over reacting

Agreed that there are only so many ways you can make a Muscle Head Horse Rider.

Next thing you'll know, people will complain writers ripping off their own stories

I am waiting for the second kickstarter campaign. I lost too much money at Maelstrom to trust them yet. If they deliver good on this kickstarter, they will gain my trust again.

Too bad cause I really love the minis btw ^^

For what it's worth, in my sad, twisted, paranoid mind.

If a hypothetical company were to go bankrupt, taking a load of peoples money down the pan with them.

If this hypothetical company, then morphed into a legally different company, but effectively the same and planned a fundraising campaign....

If I were someone in charge of this hypothetical company, would ensure that there is a low initial 'goal' that the company was guaranteed to meet, with a bunch of bonuses in order to gain excitement and a 'buzz' in order to regain trust in my hypothetical brand.

I would then fully intend to deliver on this hypothetical campaign, ensuring that I have both a strong bank account and a strong banking of 'good will' from customers.

I would then, hypothetically, begin screwing people all over again, now having a strong good will bank and a large number of people who can go, "but it's fine, Compel delivered on his fundraising campaign, I got all my hypothetical stuff. Just wait and see, it'll all turn out fine."

Then I would, hypothetically, run off to the bank, happy in the knowledge that I've made triple (or more!) the amount I would have, if I just hypothetically screwed people off twice in a row. And, of course, hypothetically, still delivering a little, so I still have that tiny ounce of good will still existing, so I could pull it off again in the future, if I so desired....

As I said, I have a sad, pathetic and worryingly, maybe a little sociopathic mind...

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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Seriously, we're starting this discussion again??? What, it must be at least two pages since last mentioned "yawn".

Just letting peeps know there is a free "Sharpen Your Blades, Earlier" level at this point in time.

Someone (namely me) has pansied out in the last few hours.

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Ya because we both know that 100k will set him for life living in the UK and it is so much better then having a viable business for the next x years...Even ral partha went out of business. It can and does happen but they are still around as Iron Wind metals so I am not worried about Darklands.

Im not worried, the stuff i've gone in for is due in April. If there's no sign of it by then i can still get my money back through my credit card as it will be within the 90 day chargeback window.

So even if KS wont have my back my credit card company will.

I dont think people need to worry too much though. This company are trying to prove they are trustworthy. The'yd be fools to screw people over. This is a new game they are trying to establish and its obvious a lot of work has gone into it. I dont think they are about to throw that all away.

 devilution wrote:

 Compel wrote:
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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Yeah, it's true, they would have to be really stupid, 'hypothetically' of course, to try and screw people out of this money. They really do seem to have put a lot of time and love into the game and characters, so I hope that it is a legit endeavor. And for the record, I woudn't have done it if it was paypal only, they're getting the mean end of my money, my credit card company is WAY more dangerous to deal with than paypal anyday.

It would be nice to see this company get a good head start and really create a good brand for themselves. I mean, cool mini or not has made millions since they've re-branded themselves, and I think they do great stuff.

 skullking wrote:

 devilution wrote:

 Compel wrote:
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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Yeah, it's true, they would have to be really stupid, 'hypothetically' of course, to try and screw people out of this money. They really do seem to have put a lot of time and love into the game and characters, so I hope that it is a legit endeavor. And for the record, I woudn't have done it if it was paypal only, they're getting the mean end of my money, my credit card company is WAY more dangerous to deal with than paypal anyday.

It would be nice to see this company get a good head start and really create a good brand for themselves. I mean, cool mini or not has made millions since they've re-branded themselves, and I think they do great stuff.

But. But. There's way to much reasonable logic in that statement! Where's the pitchfork?

Come on people, it's at just over £92'000 just another £5000 until I get my giant Hydra!

@diabolicAl recent UK precedent shows you likely have no charge back protection for kickstarter projects.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Im not worried, the stuff i've gone in for is due in April. If there's no sign of it by then i can still get my money back through my credit card as it will be within the 90 day chargeback window.

So even if KS wont have my back my credit card company will.

I dont think people need to worry too much though. This company are trying to prove they are trustworthy. The'yd be fools to screw people over. This is a new game they are trying to establish and its obvious a lot of work has gone into it. I dont think they are about to throw that all away.

You might be (unpleasantly) surprised there, because with kickstarter you're not buying a product with a set delivery date. You're sponsoring a future product which has yet to be made, and in exchange you're gifted stuff. The speculative nature of the kickstarter transaction means that delays and even complete failure to deliver are always possible, and are risks of the investing method. There are usually hefty discounts to make the risk worthwhile though.

If you want a guarantee to get your stuff, buy it from a shop when it's released. Otherwise you just need to decide if the kickstarter bargain is worth the risk.


I'm not talking about the Mierce kickstarter specifically, the above applies to all kickstarters. And going by most of the other projects so far delays are almost inevitable for a host of reasons.

Right, it's gone past £100'000, so what is the free level at £125'000 then?

Okay... the £125,000 stretch goal will be these two miniatures, for free:
Angelcynn (Northumberas): Beowa, Werbera in bear form [monstrous infantry] and Beowa, Thegn of Northumbera in human form!
Beowa is a Sell-Sword shape-shifter and will work with any kindred... for some gold ;o)
You will get BOTH forms if you have pledged for a Starter Set, but he is NOT exclusive to this Kickstarter.

Note, it's one per backer, not one per starter set.

Still, quite exciting, especially since Mierce have said that they will include extra "pledge manager" money in the total to see if we get there

With the pledge manager I hope we'll get there. I will be able to add a bit more funding in about a week, so I've got high hopes that we'll reach there.

 devilution wrote:

 Compel wrote:
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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Since you have to pay direct by credit card you should be fully protected if the project does not deliver, assuming as the consumer credit act makes CC companies jointly liable for the transaction (for transactions over £100), so it's actually a lot safer than paypal (where your only protected against not delivery for 45 days, too little for the KS to deliver anyway)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 devilution wrote:

 Compel wrote:
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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Since you have to pay direct by credit card you should be fully protected if the project does not deliver, assuming as the consumer credit act makes CC companies jointly liable for the transaction (for transactions over £100), so it's actually a lot safer than paypal (where your only protected against not delivery for 45 days, too little for the KS to deliver anyway)

Well I used my CC to pay at Maelstrom, my CC company told me they need a written prove (mail is also good) from the seller that he agrees with the cancellation of the payment. I even send over all the emails I send to try and contact Maelstrom, that was over 10 emails in 30 days or so...So I am not going to take that risk twice. If they deliver on this kickstarter I gladly give them another chance And they are already planning a second KS campaign so no worries I guess ^^

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 devilution wrote:

 Compel wrote:
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It's not that far-fetched if you ask me. But if they screw people over now, it's really going to be game over for them.

The fact they don't allow paypal also worries me. Kickstarter doesn't offer any protection either. You don't got any safety mechanism here.

Since you have to pay direct by credit card you should be fully protected if the project does not deliver, assuming as the consumer credit act makes CC companies jointly liable for the transaction (for transactions over £100), so it's actually a lot safer than paypal (where your only protected against not delivery for 45 days, too little for the KS to deliver anyway)

If you have a joint contract with your card provider to the supplier of a good or service then you are covered by chargeback. When buying through an agent, in this case amazon then that chain is broken and you are no longer protected by chargeback. This has been established in the UK and was featured in the national press.

Funded £108,036 (approx $167K)

All stretch goals were reached except the free Theign & Theign in Werebear form.. 1 per backer who orders at least one starter(£125K),

but Mierce have said that any additional cash from the pledge manager WILL count towards it so we might just get there anyway.

This is planned to be up some shortly after the KS money comes through (prob 1st week in March), but it seems it won't be up for too long as they've got April delivery targets to hit

If the above stuff about KS and chargeback is true i imagine people will be paying close attention to that April delivery target. I am still optimistic of getting my goodies. I went Ysian so they are already in production.

And another 17 grand shouldn't be too hard to get with the pledge manager!

All the currently made stuff has April as a date. They'd already said multiple times they were creating a stockpile of that resin so that they can mail the currently produced stuff quite literally as soon as possible after the pledge manager.

April date stuff might arrive a little late, but I imagine they're already working at having a stockpile of stuff ready. There's going to be a really tight turnaround from pledge manager closing to the early delivery product needing to be delivered, so I'm sure some of it will likely arrive in May (eg, sent out in mid to late April, international delivery).

Like any kickstarter, delivery dates are a goal for them, but are not set in stone (KS conditions mention this I believe), and the more successful a kickstarter, the more common delays are.

I could sworn I remember one of the comments being that when a person with April stuff confirms their pledge manager thing which would be as early as March 1, they'd ship immediately. I don't foresee any of the April stuff being late.

Regardless of differing opinions on this company I wish everyone good luck and hope all your goodies turn up in a timely fashion.

They may well have been casting/stockpiling resin,

but this KS has obviously gone into 'hoped for but not expected' territory, so depending on what people want they may still be pushed to fulfill april orders if some options prove far more popular than others

(I'm guessing their stockpiling will have been based on their current sales pattern, but this may change with some factions getting cool (but different) new stuff)

I have no problem with my order shipping late if its means securing the good sculptors for the models I want.

The new models are all slated for July - December based on their current state (currently being sculpted to just concept art or just in someone's imagination).

I'd imagine they've been stockpiling casts of the 8 starter sets - they already said they'd be shipped in plain white boxes.

Mierce's goal is to rebuild community reputation and goodwill. I doubt they will ship late.

Wish I had had more money to dump in here. I crossed my limit even so. Kingdom Death sucked me dry but everything I'm seeing in the works there has got me excited.

I got some Mierce monstrous minis a few months and I must say, Mierce is the first company that's produced anything monstrous that I'm excited about.

Hoping we can get to the 125k for Beowa, but if not, I'm sure I can find some other figures to spend my 26pounds on.

Really excited about what I'm getting from Mierce. I wish I had more money to give for miniatures of this quality.

I'm not even vaguely worried about whether I'll receive anything - they'll arrive on time and top notch.

The real question is, can I squeeze the Werwulfas into my pledge?

At this present moment in time I'm going through my GW stuff seeing what can go on ebay to boost more funds for this and God Slayer. I'm finally coming to the conclusion that my 27 years of buying GW is coming to an end.

Between the stretch goals, the unpronounceable model names, and the general layout of the kickstarter, I found making a pledge more than a little complicated...

Has anybody gotten their email yet? I wish I knew about the whole Maelstrom/Mierce thing before I dropped 80 pounds...

Email for... the pledge manager? It'll probably be two weeks, KS usually requires a two week window for all payments to go through before a KS can do anything.

What email? To say they've funded? Yes. I got that email.

I found the layout of this kickstarter one of the easiest to follow, btw.

greywulf wrote:
What email? To say they've funded? Yes. I got that email.

I found the layout of this kickstarter one of the easiest to follow, btw.

Quite - I thought it was all very well laid out, and MM were very responsive to questions in the comments section.

Zachectomy wrote:
Between the stretch goals, the unpronounceable model names, and the general layout of the kickstarter, I found making a pledge more than a little complicated...

Has anybody gotten their email yet? I wish I knew about the whole Maelstrom/Mierce thing before I dropped 80 pounds...

If you mean KS funded email (& the your CC has been charged email) yes I've had them

If you mean the survey/pledge manager, no as this will not go live till Mierce gets access to our email details and KS money which will take at least 2 weeks (probably 3). They hoped to get it up and running by/uring the first week of March

Denilsta wrote:
At this present moment in time I'm going through my GW stuff seeing what can go on ebay to boost more funds for this and God Slayer. I'm finally coming to the conclusion that my 27 years of buying GW is coming to an end.

Doubt you'll be alone. Between this and Dark Knight minis GW wont be seeing any of my money for a while. Still its their own fault......Maybe if they released something that wasn't total

Seriously, compare the Ysians and the Forsaken and tell me that Citadel still make the finest models.

It's a shame we didnt reach 125k, the 2 free minis at that goal would have turned an extraordinary deal into something exceptional.

Can backers increase their pledge to take advantage of the reduced prices now that the funding deadline has passed? If so, what;s the time allowance on increase?

Yes to added funds, and I think I saw march 8th being thrown around?

JWBS wrote:
It's a shame we didnt reach 125k, the 2 free minis at that goal would have turned an extraordinary deal into something exceptional.

Can backers increase their pledge to take advantage of the reduced prices now that the funding deadline has passed? If so, what;s the time allowance on increase?

As much as you want and if the add ons go above 125k they will give the 125k goal.

It seems well get a pledge manager for a short time, maybe a week or two if we're lucky, after KS hands over the email addresses/money. They'll want to get it sorted fast as they have to start shipping in April

KS will take 2-3 weeks to do this so Im guessing it will start some time in the first week in March

As Mahrdol said above Mierce have said that any money added in the pledge manager WILL count towards the stretch goals so we have a small chance of getting the £125K stretch goal anyway (so spend lots!)

Hello! I have pledged £76 for "Hoof and Claw Faster" but my Mierce account has £80 and the only starters available in the kickstarter section are the standard £80 sets. Is this an oversight? Or maybe do I get £80 credit for a £76 charge to my card?

They didn't add seperate early bird starter sets to the store, so they credited early bird pledgers £4 or £5 to make up for it.

i appear to have my pledge manager link (although i've not looked at it yet)

Can i add additional pledges at this stage even though the KS has ended (Ie get an additional Hoof and Claw and get the Stretch goals even although it wasnt in my original pledge?)

 DiabolicAl wrote:
i appear to have my pledge manager link (although i've not looked at it yet)

Can i add additional pledges at this stage even though the KS has ended (Ie get an additional Hoof and Claw and get the Stretch goals even although it wasnt in my original pledge?)

The KS manager just gets you to enter your mailing address.
They are basically crediting everyone their pledge amount on a Kickstarter section of the Mierce online store, so you can add as much as you like there. You should have received a separate email telling you how to log in to that.
They don't take PayPal though, which is a pain in the butt for me personally.

I'm pretty sure the no paypal thing is because of all the chargebacks around the death of Maelstrom

(wouldn't suprise me if they or any other Rob Lane company are blacklisted by Paypal until any outstanding debt is paid)

Im quite happy making a payment by CC. That means any addiitional monies WILL be covered as i assume it will be Meirce that will be payable and there for i have paid for goods and not promises

I dont mind the way they have done this at all. Ill be finalising my purchases later

@diabolical. If they payment goes direct to mierce yes you will be covered, if it goes via kickstarter/amazon then no you will not likely be covered.

Job Done! Order in - very excited - though I may need to store this stuff away while I finish my sedition wars miniatures.

I went for Angelcynn and the Dyndraig in the end - what did other people go for?

Laney

The kickstarter told me to add 7GBP to my pledge to cover shipping, and now the shipping's free. I guess there's not way to redeem that extra 7 bucks for cash, is there...

Angelcynn and Norse here - Agonised for ages between Norse and Brythonaid, but went for Norse in the end.

Zachectomy wrote:
The kickstarter told me to add 7GBP to my pledge to cover shipping, and now the shipping's free. I guess there's not way to redeem that extra 7 bucks for cash, is there...

Are you sure shipping is now free? I haven't read this anywhere, in fact one of the latest mails is asking for people to add more for shipping.

I chose Tarvax, debating whether to add the giant boar guy or Mjagnir. Also tempted by the lumbering shaggy beast and the rhino man unit champion but they won't be ready for a while so probably wont add those.

There is something about shipping on the latest updates - 23 and 25 cover shipping issues

They deducted the shipping cost from your pledge as the shipping is 'free' on the pledge manager website.

Some new WIP from the KS.....I hope I have attached the picture correctly!

damn you Juan Perez, why are you so awesome.

Stephane Simon and Benoit Cosse are pretty hot, too.

From the look of the Tarvax we can probably expect all the new Tarvax minis to be virtually identical to the concepts shown, this makes me happy.

Seems like they've also processed the kickstarter orders so if you pledged and specified your stuff it should be "Processing" now.

JWBS wrote:
From the look of the Tarvax we can probably expect all the new Tarvax minis to be virtually identical to the concepts shown, this makes me happy.

Seems like they've also processed the kickstarter orders so if you pledged and specified your stuff it should be "Processing" now.

Im quite shocked at how well some of the other models and particularly that Tarvax, look almost exactly the same as the concept art.
Lets hope the trend continues.
Processing here too !

They have some of th best artists in the industry doing the sculpts. They may have just sold me anglycn infantry with that post.

Yeah, I'm adding that starter to my pledge, lol.

 cincydooley wrote:
They have some of th best artists in the industry doing the sculpts. They may have just sold me anglycn infantry with that post.

Yeah seems like they've brought together some of the top guys from a number of different outfits.

I've loved / hated / been indifferent to GW in equal measure at various points over the years but one thing I always held true was that they made the best looking minis across a very broad range, and consistently (couple of exceptions, Rackham, Iilyad, etc, but these weren't as big and didn't have the same rich depth imo). Over the past few years this is evidently no longer the case for me, competitors like Mierce (Bane) have taken the crown and GW's output is more likely miss than hit. Not an original thought and I don't want to pollute this thread with same old rehashed negativity towards GW, just thought it was relevant to this - first time I've spent triple figures on minis in who knows how long.

/actually, looking more objectively, it's the Tarvax that I really love. Still, Mierce doing good so far, I hope they can maintain.

Totally agree. The only daemon model from the new release I like Is the herald and the plague drones.

No one can deny the quality-sculptors Mierce use for their miniatures. JAG, Allan Carrasco, Stephane Simon, Thomas David, Benoit Cosse, Robert Chaudon, Juan Navarro Perez, Valentin Zak, Daniel Cockersell, Sebastian Archer, etc. etc. These guys are among the absolutely best there are currently.

Hopefully you guys will keep doing more stuff like the Kadamastar kit and the dragon/lizard/snakeman stuff! Been saving up to put in a big order of that stuff

A new update with WIPs, and concepts. KS backers can add extras on the Mierce website until 8th March

(remember if we hit 125K each backer will get a Beowa in human & bear form... Current total £121,496.71, so only 3504 to go)

UPDATE

With just a week to go we have some cracking things to show you - the concept art for Torku, Jowan of Carn Dhu and his Drune-Hounds and a rough of Beowa for a start, as well as more Works in Progress with the finished Carrowek on horseback, more detailed Duguth, another Tarvax and the last Dyndraig warrior!

Let's show you the concept artwork for Jowan of Carn Dhu first, drawn by Danny Cruz, and it really is a thing of beauty. We think it's Danny's best work for us so far - let us know what you think!



Danny's also provided the artwork for Torku for us - this will be sculpted by Stéphane NGuyen van Gioi:



Lastly on the concept front, Des Hanley has given us a rough of Beowa in both forms:





Right, on to work in progress images!

Stéphane Simon (who we hope to tie down for Jowan and Hounds) has finished Carrowek on horseback and we think he's done an awesome job. Carrowek on foot is blimmin' amazing, but just have a look at Carrowek on horse!



The last remaining Dyndraig to be sculpted by Roberto Chaudon is finished also. Check him out - he's possibly the best of the lot!



Following on from the Duguth last time, here's an update on what Juan Navarro Pérez has been up to...



Lastly, but certainly not leastly, here's the Gultain Tarvax - Raakanasck - sculpted by Benoît Cosse!



Still to come in terms of concepts is Druc, and there'll be plenty of WIPs to come too!

I want... I need all of them.

Carrowek is so beastly he's definitely my chaos lord proxy. Archaeon more like it.

Jowan looks great, but I am still waiting to see how Druc turns out.

That Dyndraig is amazing, this has made add another starter set to my purchase.

All awesome. But, the bottom picture of the Tarvax (minotaur) looks a bit too much like the already existing champion. It's a bit of a shame.

There are unfortunately only so many poses a model with a 2-handed weapon can do :(

Yeah, but it's a bit too similar for my taste, at least.

Also, both Minotaurs suffer from *extremely bad hand positioning*.

The sculptor (or the Minotaurs themselves) obviously has never held a weapon with the intent to strike.
When doing so both hands must be positioned in the same direction (knuckles facing front) or else, when cutting, you have to rotate the lower hand - loosing most of the momentum of the attack.

The Dyndraig nails this though.


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Anybody know when us non-KS-backers can order minis from the Mierce KS?

I am interested in the new Hydra...

Too much pretty stuff - the Dyndraig look awesome (glad they are one of my starters). The Angelcynn Duguth also look fabulous. I wish I had more money to drop on this!

Benoit Cosse is a god. "Hand positioning" is like #5036 on my list of priorities when judging a miniature.

I went with the Khthones starter set, mainly because Stephane Simon will be realizing them. But I do agree that the Dyndraig dragon-men looks quite stunning!

 kendoka wrote:
Also, both Minotaurs suffer from *extremely bad hand positioning*.

The sculptor (or the Minotaurs themselves) obviously has never held a weapon with the intent to strike.
When doing so both hands must be positioned in the same direction (knuckles facing front) or else, when cutting, you have to rotate the lower hand - loosing most of the momentum of the attack.
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Anybody know when us non-KS-backers can order minis from the Mierce KS?

I am interested in the new Hydra...

I guess if you KNOW about stuff it can be annoying when it's not depicted right

(one of the reasons why I can't watch CSI Miami/New York is the just plain made up forensics, as opposed to vegas where they're real but speeded up & performed by folk who can't handle the kit)

As to buying the minis outside of KS I think they should appear in the Mierce webstore soon after the KS stuff ships to backers (and they'll apparently go in batches with the starters)

April for Ysian Brythonaid, Tarvrax & Sronax starter
June for Angelcyn starter
May for Norse starter
September for Kthones starter

EDIT: (oops it's a new update, not me speaking here)

Even though it's Sunday and I should be doing family things I just can't keep this in. Des Hanley's concept art for Beowa, Once-Thegn of Northumbera popped into my inbox this morning and... well. I'll let the art speak for itself...

Beowa, human form



Beowa, bear form



We currently stand at £123,054.02 - so only £2,000 to go before each backer who has chosen at least one Starter Set will get him. Beowa in both forms should be sculpted by Benoît Cosse so we are extremely excited about him!

One last thing: here's a rough for Druc, Meat-Hulk from Danny Cruz. It's certainly a rough, but it should also show you the direction he's going in...

Schweet.

Is this Kickstarter still running? Do you know how I can pledge?

Completely finished, although you might want to contact Mierce at kickstarter@mierce-miniatures.com to see if you can join in. Can't hurt.

I am thinking we'll make Beowa no worries.

They're just doing post pledge bumping for current backers- not sure if they're taking on new backers as the kickstarter ended a bit ago (but the updates certainly don't sound like it has ended ).

Cheers for the answers guys. And a last one. Where can someone follow the progress of this non-KS? I mean offers, fund goals reached, etc

they're still updating via KS

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/comments

and they've got a forum up and running too

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/forum/index.php

Edit: If you are interested do drop them a line via the KS comments to see if you can still get involved:

All money added in the pledge manager still counts towards the last stretch goal, and we need another £2K by 8th March to get Beowa in human & bear form free for every backer ordering at least on starter (1 per backer, not 1 per starter set)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
they're still updating via KS

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/comments

and they've got a forum up and running too

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/forum/index.php

Edit: If you are interested do drop them a line via the KS comments to see if you can still get involved:

All money added in the pledge manager still counts towards the last stretch goal, and we need another £2K by 8th March to get Beowa in human & bear form free for every backer ordering at least on starter (1 per backer, not 1 per starter set)

Thanks for the answer. It appears that only backers can post on the KS comments section and as it stands right now, I cannot make a pledge on KS.

You can't pledge via KS,

but if you can click on the 'contact me' link on the right hand side by the mierce miniatures logo

If you ask Mierce may (and I can't say they will) give you access to the post KS pledge manager running on their website giving you access to the KS prices

worth a try if you're interested (you'll need a Credit Card for this)

If you ask Mierce may (and I can't say they will) give you access to the post KS pledge manager running on their website giving you access to the KS prices

worth a try if you're interested (you'll need a Credit Card for this)

I only have a standard Visa debit card (don't own a credit card) and it gladly took £500 from me

Did you actually buy through the kickstarter on the store, or regularly through the store?

It makes a difference. There is a good amount of discount available through the kickstarter.

MASSIVE amounts of discounts. And they've already started shipping the 'available now' models, there are reports of people having gotten shipments.

One can only buy stuff for/from the kickstarter up to March 8th!
I'm still struggling with myself if or if not my bank account could bear another 100 pounds spend ;(

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Did you actually buy through the kickstarter on the store, or regularly through the store?

It makes a difference. There is a good amount of discount available through the kickstarter.

I got this lot through the KS, as all it does is basically credit you money to the value of your pledge to Mierces webstore.

and importantly get you access to the 'hidden' bit on the webstore with the KS prices & starter sets

Also, we're at £123,700 ish, close to all KS backers who pledge for a starter and above getting Beowa free (both forms)

The post KS total is over £124,500 and Mierce has just said


CreatorMierce Miniatures21 minutes ago

@Rick - no worries, glad you understand.

...and don't worry about Beowa - we're going to make him, we're close enough ;o)


so anybody pledging for one or more starters should be getting Beowa in human & bear form (and since I think he acts as a mercenary he should be playable whatever faction you're interested in)

I have been impressed with how Mierce has run this KS. Most companies go AWOL after they get your money. Mierce has been working hard to build a community, keep us updated and respond to everyone's questions.

Maybe this extremely sucessful KS will shut up some people and their dislike of MM.

I'm reaaally looking forward to all my nice sweet miniatures.

 Mahrdol wrote:
I have been impressed with how Mierce has run this KS. Most companies go AWOL after they get your money. Mierce has been working hard to build a community, keep us updated and respond to everyone's questions.

They realize they've got a bit of an uphill climb.

I have a friend that wants just this miniature "Kraan on Bear":



I told him I'd ask about it. Is there any benefit to his asking if he can get in on the kickstarter pledge manager? It looks to me like he'd have to pledge £25, as that level lists "Kraan on Bear", and the rules. I don't see any way to just get "Kraan on Bear" (which would be £20 instead of £25 including the rules).

Plus £2 to ship outside the UK, for a total of £27 through the Kickstarter.

On Mierce's website it is listed for £26.99, but I can't see what the shipping will cost outside of the UK.

So assuming the shipping cost to the US is more than a penny, I should tell him to ask them about getting in on the Kickstarter pledge manager while it lasts (4 more days) right?

Try contacting them and see what happens. Are you not in on the campaign Riptides?

It's a great mini, btw. I got it for Xmas!

That's the second time I've been called Riptides on here in a week

I am not in on it, and "friend" is not a euphemism here- it actually is my friend and not me who wants in on it . I sent him the info, though, and told him to try contacting them... if nothing else he can try ordering it direct (but it'd obviously be easier if they get a US distributor at some point).

The Kraan miniature is amazing. Simply amazing.

Sorry RiTides. Most people refer to me as Greywulf rather than greywulf... an annoyance of mine too.

Turns out the Warstore has it for less than what he would've had to pay through the Kickstarter after the quickstart rules and shipping (which effectively adds 7 pounds, making it 27 instead of 20).

http://www.thewarstore.com/product74903.html

$39... so I think he'll be going that route, instead.

Has the Guy and Bear been added to all pledges yet?

Yeah they made their funding goal for it, so it's going in.

 Mahrdol wrote:
I have been impressed with how Mierce has run this KS. Most companies go AWOL after they get your money. Mierce has been working hard to build a community, keep us updated and respond to everyone's questions.

Their owners have already done that once via MG so they can't run off with everyone's money again, I think that would be the end of their lot in the industry. They have a vast amount to prove to people in order to be even partially trusted again. Shame they didn't go down this route in the first place and everyone would still be happy.

 SoulDrinker wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
I have been impressed with how Mierce has run this KS. Most companies go AWOL after they get your money. Mierce has been working hard to build a community, keep us updated and respond to everyone's questions.

Their owners have already done that once via MG so they can't run off with everyone's money again, I think that would be the end of their lot in the industry. They have a vast amount to prove to people in order to be even partially trusted again. Shame they didn't go down this route in the first place and everyone would still be happy.

They didn't run off with my money. I got my MG Orders a few months late but I did get them.

Mahrdol, you should be careful. If you bring up the fact that you received your order from Maelstrom Games, you then bring up the issue again for everyone who didn't to comment.

In other words- if you want this thread to remain on-topic about Mierce's kickstarter, then don't bring up that you received models from Maelstrom Games, as you're inviting rebuttal by all those who were ripped off.

On topic- my friend placed his order at the Warstore, looking forward to seeing that giant bear in-person!

 RiTides wrote:
Mahrdol, you should be careful. If you bring up the fact that you received your order from Maelstrom Games, you then bring up the issue again for everyone who didn't to comment.

In other words- if you want this thread to remain on-topic about Mierce's kickstarter, then don't bring up that you received models from Maelstrom Games, as you're inviting rebuttal by all those who were ripped off.

On topic- my friend placed his order at the Warstore, looking forward to seeing that giant bear in-person!

But it is ok for him to say everyone got screwed by MG Right? At least try to be neutral/non bias.

Just to add if my reply was off topic so was his. Fair is Fair.

For F sake... their updates are just brutally good :(

Okay guys, it's work in progress time and there's two newcomers to show you!

Firstly, let's have a look at how Glaun, Tarwdraig is progressing. Roberto's almost finished him and he's looking very brutal!




Next we have a new 'un, and Stéphane Simon is clearly very keen on sculpting the Drunes because Mawdred of Carn Dhu is already taking shape!



Benoît Cosse's Geraint Nerthol is looking very nice indeed:



Lastly, the Druc concept should be ready for you by tomorrow, we'll keep you updated.

Hope you like them all chaps!

Glaun is looking real good. Can't wait for mine.

Dammit. I didn't order him and he's amazing.

Damn, I did not get Glaun in the end but that is now going to change! Its lucky they increased the last day for extras until the morning of the 11th, as I have more GW selling on ebay and finishing on Sunday.

New side view of Glaun posted:

Denilsta wrote:
Damn, I did not get Glaun in the end but that is now going to change! Its lucky they increased the last day for extras until the morning of the 11th, as I have more GW selling on ebay and finishing on Sunday.

Nice, I missed that they extended it. I offloaded some magic cards to pay for mine but the funds are annoyingly slow to clear, this should make it a sure thing.

I really want to see a finished concept of the Meat Hulk before ordering, though I've been impressed with all of their offerings.

Damn, Mawdred looks awesome. Stephane Simon's stuff is brilliant. I have passed on Druc as I don't really like the concept all that much.

These look great. It will be very interesting to continue follow all the different WIPs to bring this KS to an end.

Anyone in need for a kidney? I have a spare one and I'm willing to let it go!

Awesome stuff - all these models make me wish I'd thrown more money at them. Glaun and Geraint in particular look ace.

You can still throw more money at it Just log in on their page and spend money money money money. Up until next monday you'll have that chance and the reduced prices.

That Claun monster is only 34 pounds at the moment and will easily be ~50 pounds later on. !

You can ask them to combine the shipping so you won't pay extra.

With the miniature being such high quality, I really hope the quickstart rules, then finally the rule book does this line proud. Could be a dreadful waste with unplayable rules.

@Denilsta: I don't agree. The miniatures stand for themselves. Even with bad rules, the miniatures by themselves are epic. So there aren't any going to waste with them.

grefven wrote:
@Denilsta: I don't agree. The miniatures stand for themselves. Even with bad rules, the miniatures by themselves are epic. So there aren't any going to waste with them.

What I meant was a waste of potential, the miniature are amazing and I own quite a few from the old Maelstrom days, but with figures this good and amazing rules to back it up, well that's just a licence to print money!

Does anyone know if the inclusion of the werebear character will increase shipping times? I'd like to get my stuff in April if possible.

It's all going to depend on what you're after,

several of the starters won't be done by April, nor will most of the new add on minis

the thread below gives an estimate of what's due after april

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17

but when you order there is a 'ship when ready' option you can pay a small amount extra for (I didn't go for that, so can't remember how much it was)

Just in case anyone has not seen the concept for Druc yet

New Duguth concepts posted:

Update on WIP / finished Trolls and Minotaurs (5 all-but complete monstrous minis) I really like the trolls and the new minotaurs look as good as the previous few.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/posts/427017?ref=email&show_token=9ad6a06886c921a2

As usual, they look amazing!

I can't deny that the trolls look that little bit more crisp and dynamic than the minotaurs (can't expect anything less from Allan Carrasco, further cementing his rep as one of the greatest in the fantasy / sci-fi minis industry) but still I much prefer the concept and overall aesthetic of beastman type models.

Really nice Duguth, the shields look thick as car tires - but I love the rest.

Amazing Trolls.

"Much Better than GW" Minotaurs - although the last one suffer (again) from "Real Bad Hand Positioning TM" making it look like he/she is holding a fan :(
Perhaps nitpicking - but for us who actually use cutting weapons on a daily basis, this is as bad as a miniature holding an assault rifle upside down...

Im going to have to find a use for this chap i think !
As usual everything is looking amazing.

 kendoka wrote:

"Much Better than GW" Minotaurs - although the last one suffer (again) from "Real Bad Hand Positioning TM" making it look like he/she is holding a fan :(
Perhaps nitpicking - but for us who actually use cutting weapons on a daily basis, this is as bad as a miniature holding an assault rifle upside down...

I see what you mean but I think the hand positioning is fine, its fantasy an all that afterall.
How do you know that a beast man thing holds and uses his cutting weapons the same as you ?

 kendoka wrote:
"Much Better than GW" Minotaurs - although the last one suffer (again) from "Real Bad Hand Positioning TM" making it look like he/she is holding a fan :(
Perhaps nitpicking - but for us who actually use cutting weapons on a daily basis, this is as bad as a miniature holding an assault rifle upside down...

I'd got the mental image that he'd just finished a swipe from his right to left, and hadn't adjusted his grip for the next strike yet - but I'll admit to being no weapons expert.

 Dysartes wrote:

I'd got the mental image that he'd just finished a swipe from his right to left, and hadn't adjusted his grip for the next strike yet - but I'll admit to being no weapons expert.

Whatever.
Fact remains, if you have to adjust your grip you're doing it wrong (and will probably not live to make a second strike)...


You could try a few swings yourself, using a broom handle or similar - with your knuckles in opposite direction - and you will realize that somebody with such a faulty grip is totally harmless (and will hurt themselves more than an opponent).
I is not as if the grip is somewhat wrong, it is *totally* wrong - making it physically impossible to make any attack (perhaps a clumsy kind of poking one would work?).

If somebody modelled a baseball or hockey player with the same grip everyone would understand how bad it is.
Now it's perhaps just we who are used to seeing two handed CC weapons in action who react - so I guess it's not a big deal (?).

Still sloppy by the sculptor though (not doing his/her homework), two minutes in front of a mirror doing test swings would solve the issue permanently.


This said. I still love the newest Mierce stuff.
Way better than much of their previous work.

Maybe he's represented AFTER making a blow , so the weapon started moving on his right part and ends movement on his leg.
Something like this:

Maybe he is left handed?

All these latest sculpts are absolutely gorgeous. Seems like this ks was exactly what Mierce needed to get back on their feet. The trolls are especially impressive!

Do we really need yet another discussion about how the giant half cow man has the wrong grip on his huge axe to realistically attack his giant half dragon man opponent?

FYI I got the first shipment from the KS:

typhaggahw, gwyfern of ceredigion
aanchuth the cursed, warlock of the gabrax
brunchaath the vile, tain of the gabrax
chaagmuth the jaw-taker, untain of the gabrax on boar
daachuch the broken, skull-bearer of the gabrax
shaaroc, reviled drackox
ungefelic, mantichora
uuthüll, risen kraacken

without exception they are all some of the most amazingly beautiful models i have ever seen.

The_Minsk, bobilero:
No. Sorry, but you obviously do not get neither anatomy nor fighting techniques.
Fact: The sculptor made an error, either deliberately (because he/she did not care to get it right) or because he/she lacks knowledge. Both reasons equally sad.

SlaveToDorkness:
Nobody complained over the fantasy elements - just the bad posing.
Big difference.

judgedoug:
SHOW US PICS!
Please.

 kendoka wrote:
The_Minsk, bobilero:
No. Sorry, but you obviously do not get neither anatomy nor fighting techniques.
Fact: The sculptor made an error, either deliberately (because he/she did not care to get it right) or because he/she lacks knowledge. Both reasons equally sad.

SlaveToDorkness:
Nobody complained over the fantasy elements - just the bad posing.
Big difference.

LOL ... Ok big boy ... light us with your amazing fighting and anatomy skills

The sculptor did fine, in fact he did better than fine so far, that sculpt looks ace and i dont think realism came into the equation anywhere along the line, and rightly so in my opinion.

The pose makes some sense if it's mid-parry doesn't it?

Can we all just agree that Kendoka is the coolest badass in the room and drop it?

 kendoka wrote:
The_Minsk, bobilero:
No. Sorry, but you obviously do not get neither anatomy nor fighting techniques.
Fact: The sculptor made an error, either deliberately (because he/she did not care to get it right) or because he/she lacks knowledge. Both reasons equally sad.

SlaveToDorkness:
Nobody complained over the fantasy elements - just the bad posing.
Big difference.

judgedoug:
SHOW US PICS!
Please.

No, let me explain this to you calmly and simply.

The sculptor did not make an error, he made an artistic decision,
He decided, it looked better that way.
That is ALL that matters.

What if the Minotaur's wrists can swivel freely?
What if the weapon is able to twist in the middle..

What if NO ONE FREAKIN' CARES!

yxalitis wrote:
What if the Minotaur's wrists can swivel freely?

lol, now I'm imagining a minotaur with weapons in both hands, spinning like helicopter blades. Kinda like General Grievous from Star Wars.

 judgedoug wrote:
FYI I got the first shipment from the KS:

typhaggahw, gwyfern of ceredigion
aanchuth the cursed, warlock of the gabrax
brunchaath the vile, tain of the gabrax
chaagmuth the jaw-taker, untain of the gabrax on boar
daachuch the broken, skull-bearer of the gabrax
shaaroc, reviled drackox
ungefelic, mantichora
uuthüll, risen kraacken

without exception they are all some of the most amazingly beautiful models i have ever seen.

For a second I thought you had a seizure while typing....then I realized I was in the mierce thread would love to see pics, especially the way they packaged the new stuff.

I am really regretting not going for the early shipping option on this. I have a huge order in and thought a staggered distribution would be good….looking at some of the amazing pics on MM’s forum I was wrong, I want the stuff now!

Can you not add early shipping now after the fact? Seems like something they could / should be able to work out for you if you wanted to pay for the shipping now.

Denilsta wrote:
I am really regretting not going for the early shipping option on this. I have a huge order in and thought a staggered distribution would be good….looking at some of the amazing pics on MM’s forum I was wrong, I want the stuff now!

Just contact them, I'm sure they'll be happy to let you pay the little extra for 'ship what's available now

(assuming you have picked stuff available now)

I went a bit mad on this KS, there is definately stuff that can come early. I will send a message, just thought with the KS pledge manager finally closed it was to late, but I can't ever see MM turning down money!

Anyone know how big these trolls might be?? They are soooo badass looking. River trolls in my goblin army?? yes please..

This scale shot should give you an idea

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/scale_shots_medium.jpg

the troll 'Vortun' (part of the same unit as these three) is shown in the Norse section and is 104mm to the top of his weapon (about 70-80 cm to the top of the head it looks like)

@kendoka, my grasp of anatomy is fine thank you i have an MSc in Biomedical science, which has included many anatony moduals. There could be any number of movements that would either start or end in this position, but the fact remains its a fantasy model so who cares, dont like it dont buy it

The_Minsk wrote:
@kendoka, my grasp of anatomy is fine thank you i have an MSc in Biomedical science, which has included many anatony moduals. There could be any number of movements that would either start or end in this position, but the fact remains its a fantasy model so who cares, dont like it dont buy it

I second this. I do a Korean Sword fighting technique... and that is one of the handforms.
Obscure, but still useful.

Theophony wrote:


For a second I thought you had a seizure while typing....then I realized I was in the mierce thread would love to see pics, especially the way they packaged the new stuff.

The packaging is individual baggies wrapped in bubble wrap in a plain brown box, lol. They are not using the retail packaging in order to save shipping costs. Fine with me!

Mine arrived in New Zealand this morning so they are getting the stuff out.

Confirm they are individual bags in bubble wrap. Mine came in Maelstrom "Tank" box

Come one guys!
Post some pics!
I didn't partake in the KS, but I ordered 4 of the new designs, 2 release April, then it's a long wait until December for the rest.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
This scale shot should give you an idea

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/scale_shots_medium.jpg

the troll 'Vortun' (part of the same unit as these three) is shown in the Norse section and is 104mm to the top of his weapon (about 70-80 cm to the top of the head it looks like)

Thanks! they look perfect, I'll be ordering at least 10 whenever they come out.

New WIP's, plus MM did change my order to sending things out now, very fast communication. I must admit I have been very impressed so far

I like MM's version a lot more than the GW alt, more dynamic for a start!

Denilsta wrote:
I like MM's version a lot more than the GW alt, more dynamic for a start!

Plus its lizard all the way up. The GW version cheats with a belt to hide any scale transition...

GWs dragon-ogres are laughable at best. The one from Mierce looks great. Robert Chaudon does a really fine job here.

I am also pleased by Stephane Simons work with the ysian standard-bearer. It looks great! My only concern is how many figures you see standing with one foot on a stone these days.

The_Minsk wrote:
@kendoka, my grasp of anatomy is fine... There could be any number of movements that would either start or end in this position, but the fact remains its a fantasy model so who cares, dont like it dont buy it

Obviously yes - but (I guess you missed my point) no ones effective in CC.

The_Minsk wrote:
... its a fantasy model so who cares...

So, you mean that no one should question a sculptor doing a sculpt like this:

when sculpting what is supposed to be an elite (fantasy) warrior?


I don't get your strange attitude.
This is a forum discussing miniatures and sculpting.
Or?



Cool dragon ogre:


I just hope the hands will be in a nice "knuckles to the front" position.

Does anyone have a link to mierce forums? Can't find em.

 judgedoug wrote:
FYI I got the first shipment from the KS:

typhaggahw, gwyfern of ceredigion
aanchuth the cursed, warlock of the gabrax
brunchaath the vile, tain of the gabrax
chaagmuth the jaw-taker, untain of the gabrax on boar
daachuch the broken, skull-bearer of the gabrax
shaaroc, reviled drackox
ungefelic, mantichora
uuthüll, risen kraacken

You forgot Narfle the Garthog



This is why I couldn't get into Tekumel either. You have to learn another language.

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=54&sid=1c3245826b52020652dad616528a7e50&start=50

 Doomsdave wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
FYI I got the first shipment from the KS:

typhaggahw, gwyfern of ceredigion
aanchuth the cursed, warlock of the gabrax
brunchaath the vile, tain of the gabrax
chaagmuth the jaw-taker, untain of the gabrax on boar
daachuch the broken, skull-bearer of the gabrax
shaaroc, reviled drackox
ungefelic, mantichora
uuthüll, risen kraacken

You forgot Narfle the Garthog

This is why I couldn't get into Tekumel either. You have to learn another language.

It's no different than Nurgle or Tzeentch or Skaven or Tyranid or Waaagh or Ghorgon or Naggaroth, ya just get used to it. I've looked at the Darklands stuff enough to pretty much learn all the names.

I noticed for Darklands that the races that end in '-x' are all bipeds, such as Tarvax is a minotaur, Sronax is a rhinoman...
and for my above list,

Gabrax = beastman
Drackox = dragonman
Gwyfern = wyvern
Mantichora = manticore
Kraacken = kraken
etc.

The one on the right looks like a recycled banebeasts sculpt.

Zachectomy wrote:
The one on the right looks like a recycled banebeasts sculpt.

It looks like the cyclops with slightly altered head, wings, different arms, and a different waist/legs

for those of you that have started to receive product: did it say shipped in your order status on your account? Just curious, as mine still says processing.

 cincydooley wrote:
for those of you that have started to receive product: did it say shipped in your order status on your account? Just curious, as mine still says processing.

My order was split only two days ago, the stuff available now says 'packing' the rest 'processing'.

Mine was split about a week and a half ago, and I received it today.

Received Krull (giant demon), the Terror of Fortriu (Chimera), Ungefelic (Manticore) and Ulmons, Tarask of Var.

Really really excellent sculpts. Glad I bought in for this, the sculpts are wonderful.

All of my stuff was shipped in plastic baggies, or bubblewrapped bags for the bigger items. All arrived safely as far as I can tell.

Granted, it's a club and not a longsword, but I can think of several attacks I could make from that hand position. He doesn't really need to concern himself with blade orientation, so he's got even more flexibility than that.

Edit to add: German longsword fighting also has a LOT of hand repositioning on the fly, too.

Gah. That new demon is a step backwards. The not-Cygor model was weak when it came out. Why resurrect it with what amounts to a shoddy conversion?

Now complete and looking amazing

Paying £24 for that was a steal, considering how much GW is charging for a Shaggoth here in Australia. I am thinking he'd even make a great proxy for Kholec Suneater. I am hoping that they continue to make sculpts like these so I can avoid buying those awful GW Dragon Ogres.

They underestimated the price of this one and have said it will probably be £50 when it hits retail (not £35 like they originally thought)

If you backed the KS and wish you'd added him at the bargain price of £24 you CAN still add him to your order

Just drop Mierce an email (address on the last KS update)with your KS name and they'll unlock the KS section on their website for you again

Scale shot, this explains the estimated price increase. He is some size and will come with a 100mm base.

Some sort of statement from Mierce in light of the Maunsfeld/Maelstrom closure would be nice.

Even if it's just Rob Lane assuring us our Kickstarter money is safe :-)

Why even bring this up now? please just concentrate on the amazing miniatures.

I thought he actually did release a statement?

I'd swear I've already read one...

Denilsta wrote:
Why even bring this up now? please just concentrate on the amazing miniatures.

Because I'd like to have some surety around separation of monies. I have received half of my miniatures but still have GBP 200 outstanding. That's why!

One of the spun-off companies - Maunsfeld Gaming - ceased trading this week. I think some confirmation around the status of Mierce would be welcome.

So the fact that you already received half your stuff isn't enough?

Presumably not, because there's still the other half to be sure about.

Even a restatement of the 'we are a legally separated company with different assets (and a different bank account)' would probably assuage people.

Not that I was touching the kickstarter with a barge pole of course but that doesn't mean I want other gamers to be shafted.

 PLC wrote:

Denilsta wrote:
Why even bring this up now? please just concentrate on the amazing miniatures.

Because I'd like to have some surety around separation of monies. I have received half of my miniatures but still have GBP 200 outstanding. That's why!

One of the spun-off companies - Maunsfeld Gaming - ceased trading this week. I think some confirmation around the status of Mierce would be welcome.

Have you actually tried contacting them and asked about your concern? They have been very quick in responding to every message I have sent.

More Wip and some bad news


Project Update #34: More WIPs, and a Shipping Update
Posted by Mierce Miniatures
Right then! Firstly, here's some long-awaited WIPs for you all...
Beowa

Beowa, you will see, is going to be absolutely superb (both man and bear form). Here's his latest WIP shots:


Unfortunately Benoît's pictures don't really do him justice, as you can probably see, so we've also given you some previous WIPs and a video! Excuse the pun, but please "bear" in mind that the below WIPs are BEFORE the one above, so there's some details that have changed since then, but they still help to show the quality.

Here's the video: http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/beowa_wip_05.avi
(Most browsers will support the playing of this video, but simply right click on the URL and download it to play outside of a browser).
Mawdred of Carn Dhu

Let's have some more WIP shots - here's a not-quite finished shot of Mawdred, but he is now finished and winging his way to us as I write:

Gríminn

Roberto has started on Gríminn:

Hywel Hir

Hywel Hir, sculpted by James van Schaik nicely, is done:


Kjartan of Jylland

As is Kjartan, again sculpted by James van Schaik. Kjartan's really characterful we feel!

Torku

We also have a fairly advanced WIP for Torku, who is looking great so far - she's being sculpted by Stéphane NGuyen van Gioi:

Shipping Update

Now that you've seen all of the above WIPs, it's only fair that we update you all on when we'll start shipping the first sets. Originally, we stated that we'd send the Brythoniaid, Fomoraic and Ysian starter sets in April, and in various places the 29th of April, but the bad news is that the first shipping date is going to slip to the 20th of May.
We're obviously aware that this is very disappointing, but the reasons are good ones as far as they can be - firstly, the dice are taking longer than we thought to produce, as are the tokens (although that is mainly because of Salute 2013, as the manufacturers have been incredibly busy getting things ready for the show); but probably more importantly, we want to include Beowa, Torku, Mawdred and Aradae Mawr with the first shipments!
It makes no real sense cost-wise and for our carbon footprint to ship the Starter Sets before Beowa is ready, simply because we have to make so many of the two miniatures - and ESPECIALLY because Beowa is over six months early! Similarly, Torku, Mawdred and Kjartan were slated for later shipping dates, so you're actually getting stuff earlier than we stated regardless. It also makes sense to combine more orders with those miniatures of course!
Note that the Norse, Angelcynn and Khthones shipments should hopefully ship on time, with the Norse being shipped as close as possible to the 20th (to combine further) if not on the 20th itself. Gríminn may also make his way into that first Norse shipment!
Please be reassured that we haven't taken this step lightly; we've weighed up a lot of factors, not least your disappointment, but we hope the three-week delay won't prove too annoying for you all.

Darklands Dice

The Darklands dice, we're afraid, have had to be revised. We originally stated they'd be kindred specific, but that's impossible at this stage for two very good reasons - time and cost! Thus, we took the view that to get the dice both on time and within our budget, we would simply produce Mierce Miniatures dice rather than kindred-specific ones. Even so, we believe they're stunning, or at least as stunning as a D10 could be - but don't take our word for it, check out the image below:
We have about 1,500 at the moment out of the 10,000 we've ordered, with 1,000 of those being white detail on black to form the D100 you'll need; the rest are being produced right now.
We hope you're not too disappointed with what we've decided, but we think these dice are really cool and we hope you do too.

Eh, I didn't really give a hoot about the dice anyway. This is a fine substitute. The miniatures, that's where they are excelling. Can't wait to get my Aradae Mawr.

Really excited the beowra Is shipping early. What a great looking model.

Don't care the slightest about the dies either, to be honest. Griminn by Robert Chaudon looks awesome. And on the other side, I am very disappointed with Hywel Hir, sculpted by James van Schaik. I really don't like James' style, although Kjartan looks good enough.

New pics in latest update.

Because you made me look!

Cynemon and Beowa and more
Update #35 · Apr 24, 2013 · 12 comments

Firstly, the Angelcynn, and Cynemon! Sculpted by James van Schaik, we think he's turned out really, really well and we're very happy with him! He's really characterful and captures exactly what we wanted from our Miercna wiglereas!





Beowa, man form is complete - check him out, Benoît has sent us better photos!



We should have photos of Beowa in bear form later on this week, if not complete then nearly so as he'll be sent to us on Friday!

Finally, he's some better versions of the Tarvax, just for Michael Caldwell! Firstly the champion, Raackanasck:



Next, the lovely Bockaaruk:



hen there's Inavaak:



Finally, Piraack:



...and, for those who wished to see Mabyon from both sides, here he is in all his resin glory:





Hope you like them!

Further updates as and when guys!

They really are all nice looking miniatures.

Have they released the ruleset yet?

If it is any good, and fun, I may have to get some eventually - especially if it scratches that "Confrontation" itch that I've had for so long!

Rules have been put back for about 3 weeks as with the initial starter set releases. I received the above Minotaurs about 2 weeks ago and they are as amazing as the pictures above.

People have received the Taravax sets? That's what I ordered, wasn't expecting them for a while yet, order still processing :s

Tarvax looks awesome. Certainly impressed with everything Mierce have shows so far. Really disappointed I missed out on these, but no one got back to me about upping my pledge post deadline. :(

Zond, did you message them on KS or via email? I've had no prob contacting them via KS messenger. And they're still letting people add to their pledge AFAIK (i just did recently)

I contacted them via KS, but alas no joy. Might try again but I fear the money has been mostly spent.

JWBS wrote:
People have received the Taravax sets? That's what I ordered, wasn't expecting them for a while yet, order still processing :s

Nobody's got the Tarvrax starters yet (due to start shipping late May),

but those who paid the extra to get already in production models early could have got the 2 (?) singles that are already out

The images above were from Mierce in response to a backers request to see what (s)he had coming

Yeah I had the two Tarvax that were already released, so I just did the Get The 4 New Tarvax For Only 40 GBP deal that I added to my main pledge, so I'm anxiously awaiting the new ones.
They'll be in my Kings of War army using my Red Box Games Helsvakt as infantry and Mierce for the monsters (along with some Scibor figs too)

Hi, I have all 4 above Minotaurs, I did not do the Taravax starter set but the 4 for £40 and went for the post it early option.

 Denilsta wrote:
Hi, I have all 4 above Minotaurs, I did not do the Taravax starter set but the 4 for £40 and went for the post it early option.

Pictures!

excuse the undercoat, but you should be able to tell it is the four in the photos above.

Oh ok so looks like a few more weeks then. I'm putting mine with some WFB beastmen / monsters / WoC stuff. I hope Mierce do some 28mm beastmen at some point.

JWBS I love their beastmen too, I have the 4 they've released already, and prepaid/Ks'ed the Chaagmuth on foot, but that's only 5 total. I believe they said they will be releasing a full Gabrax (beastmen) line after all the KS stuff is done... so maybe at the end of the year.

Wow, those look quite good "in the wild". I'm still concerned about the larger models, though, since the one I had previously (Shaaroc) had skulls that were wayyyyyyyyyy too big for 28mm scale.

Would the skulls be of the right size to belong to a Ysian Brute ?

Some could have a humanoid skull and are bigger (I think) than standard 'human sized' figures

(it's probably a sculpting issue, but that might be a get out for you)

These miniatures are amazing - I just hope that there's a good, deep skirmish sized ruleset to go along with them soon too!

The gameplay video on the KS got me interested, hence my largish pledge

Hi,

been a while - we're very busy moulding and casting at the moment.

The skulls on Shaaroc are not human - (one has horns!).

When Shaaroc takes to the field, he's after larger prey.
Many of our monsters have larger skulls (Krull is the same) as trophies. Big guy vs big guy will be a centrepiece of a battle.

Will hopefully have some resin pics of Arade Maw and Mawdred for you guys next week - in the flesh those guys are even better!


Right, back to work for me!

Tim

Oooh,

Thanks for that input Tim

looking forward to the resin pics

Funnily enough, started assembling Shaaroc last night. That is an amazing, amazing model. And those skulls are definitely not human. I immediately assume one was a demon or minotaur or something (with the horns) and the others were ogres or trolls or something. (Why would a giant beastie like Shaaroc worry about plucking skulls from humans? his pinkie finger is larger than a human skull, lol)

 Slinky wrote:
The gameplay video on the KS got me interested, hence my largish pledge

I'll have to track that video down!

I got my Glaun today, thought I would show a size comparison. It really is an amazing model, the only issue is I accidently snipped the end of his tongue off when my six year old knocked my arm

Oh so big and 'monster..y'

(is the real chain supplied with Ulluthul or is that your own addition ?)

That actually is the chain that is supplied with him.

thanks for the info

 judgedoug wrote:
Funnily enough, started assembling Shaaroc last night. That is an amazing, amazing model. And those skulls are definitely not human. I immediately assume one was a demon or minotaur or something (with the horns) and the others were ogres or trolls or something. (Why would a giant beastie like Shaaroc worry about plucking skulls from humans? his pinkie finger is larger than a human skull, lol)

*shrug* I felt they made the model look out of scale for 28mm.

What is the center model shown above? "Glaun"? Looks fantastic!

Hopefully my stuff turns up soon. I got the chaos marauder looking ones. Cant remember the names. With the sword Melusines, based off their performance in the batrep vid of course, nothing to do with them being naked ladies......

 Alpharius wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
The gameplay video on the KS got me interested, hence my largish pledge

I'll have to track that video down!

Here you go bud: http://vimeo.com/59008628#at=0

 Denilsta wrote:
I got my Glaun today, thought I would show a size comparison. It really is an amazing model, the only issue is I accidently snipped the end of his tongue off when my six year old knocked my arm

Nice, good to see Glaun. The more I see of the Brython's the more I'm tempted! It'll be interesting to see what Roberto Chaudon does with Vaak!

New Kickstarter update, this time Gríminn

Mierce Miniatures wrote:
We have a cracking update for you today, because Roberto has finished Gríminn, Hrafn-mann Champion and he's absolutely amazing!








As you can see, you didn't just have to take our word for it ;o)

Again, if anybody on the Kickstarter has missed out on Gríminn, just let us know...

I really like Inavaak and Griminn...might have to pick them up when they go to regular retail.

Gríminn is awesome!

Any sizing/scale info on him anywhere?

There's such an incredible amount of detail in these models. Really fantastic stuff.

 Alpharius wrote:
Gríminn is awesome!

Any sizing/scale info on him anywhere?

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/grimmin_wip_01.jpg

Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

my exact thought.

 xcasex wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

my exact thought.

Even though I post (rarely, I'll admit) on the dakka dakka forum, and i onw lots of minis from Privateer press, Mierce, Rackham etc, I have not one teeny tiny bit of interest in playing the games.
I paint them, that's it.
Am I the only one?

Im like, 80% paint and 20% Game. I like to play now and again but im not in the slightest interested in competitive gaming and enjoy assembling and painting more than the actual gaming for the most part.

yxalitis wrote:

 xcasex wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

my exact thought.

Even though I post (rarely, I'll admit) on the dakka dakka forum, and i onw lots of minis from Privateer press, Mierce, Rackham etc, I have not one teeny tiny bit of interest in playing the games.
I paint them, that's it.
Am I the only one?

Almost 90% painting and building and appreciating.
Most of our gaming is FFG 40k... which doesn't really fit with these models ;-)

yxalitis wrote:

 xcasex wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

my exact thought.

Even though I post (rarely, I'll admit) on the dakka dakka forum, and i onw lots of minis from Privateer press, Mierce, Rackham etc, I have not one teeny tiny bit of interest in playing the games.
I paint them, that's it.
Am I the only one?

I'd probably play some skirmish or fantasy football or something if i could be bothered to turn up to a local group. I mainly used to convert and paint, then it was just painting for the most part, now when I buy something (infrequently) it'll likely go into a drawer unopened.

100% painting... but all my friends are gone to other parts of the country. Maybe some day I'll check out the local gaming scene.

 Alpharius wrote:
Thanks!

Definitely Daemon Price height...

Though I am really hoping the 'real' game it is for turns out to be fun and worth playing too!

I take it the scale is CM then right?

 zedmeister wrote:
New Kickstarter update, this time Gríminn

Mierce Miniatures wrote:
We have a cracking update for you today, because Roberto has finished Gríminn, Hrafn-mann Champion and he's absolutely amazing!








As you can see, you didn't just have to take our word for it ;o)

Again, if anybody on the Kickstarter has missed out on Gríminn, just let us know...

Perfect for a lord of change with fencer's blades. Too bad wand is better.

Yeah, wondering if I should convert mine or just leave it as it is.

>New Kickstarter update, this time Gríminn

Nice.
Need two, one for my "Murder of Crows" Dark Elves and one for my Samurai army.

When can we who did not Kickstart Mierce buy this macho Tengu?

 kendoka wrote:
>New Kickstarter update, this time Gríminn

Nice.
Need two, one for my "Murder of Crows" Dark Elves and one for my Samurai army.

When can we who did not Kickstart Mierce buy this macho Tengu?

Best guess would be July/August this year

 kendoka wrote:
>New Kickstarter update, this time Gríminn

Nice.
Need two, one for my "Murder of Crows" Dark Elves and one for my Samurai army.

When can we who did not Kickstart Mierce buy this macho Tengu?

Send them an email, ask nicely if you could maybe please order a few of the minis, and they may just let you browse the kickstarter shop.

Does anyone have any more pics of N'nhaak'chshir, Divine Lord of the Lesions and Buboes? I'm thinking about ordering him but I'd really like to see some more of the back detail and such before I actually go through with it.

drop Mierce a line using their online contacts form and ask for a few more pictures

http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=con

they're pretty good at getting back to folk at the moment

(although this is a bank holiday weekend in the UK, so they may well be off work till Tuesday)

Penda on foot by Jacques-Alexandre Gillois




Beowa, Once-Thegn of Beornica by Benoît Cosse


Beowa, in bear-form by Benoît Cosse and finished by Stephané Simon


Finished Torku by Stéphane Nguyen

Not overly keen on Penda's pose, but both Beowa models are ace.

I'll need to see an assembled Torku to comment, as I can't tell what it is meant to be from the bits.

 Dysartes wrote:
Not overly keen on Penda's pose, but both Beowa models are ace.

I'll need to see an assembled Torku to comment, as I can't tell what it is meant to be from the bits.

Assembled Torku can be found on page 28.

grefven wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Not overly keen on Penda's pose, but both Beowa models are ace.

I'll need to see an assembled Torku to comment, as I can't tell what it is meant to be from the bits.

Assembled Torku can be found on page 28.

Ah, I'd missed that - interesting looking beasty.

Dropped Mierce an email and they sent me thirteen pictures despite only asking for four. Really quick and helpful service from these guys.

 Darth Bob wrote:
Dropped Mierce an email and they sent me thirteen pictures despite only asking for four. Really quick and helpful service from these guys.

I have had a figure recently arrive with a part missing, I must say that they could not have been more helpful in replacing it very quickly.

Same. I got a resin piece I wasn't that pleased with, it's being replaced with my next set of stuff coming.

Very pleased with this kickstarter.

A KS update (posted here as it shows a first look at a bunch of the new sculpts too)


Update #38 · May 14, 2013

Right then guys, it's time to update you all on our progress!

Shipping Dates

Firstly, shipping dates. There will be delays for certain starter sets I'm afraid, and for this we can only apologise and humbly ask for your forgiveness.

The simple reason for these delays is that there are only so many hours in a day; we are all working overtime to get several thousand miniatures cast up, cleaned and packed, and have been doing so for months. We're just incredibly busy and we hope that you all understand this. We're aware this is a disappointment for some, but we do ask you to be patient here - we're going just as fast as we can.

A run down on each starter set's shipping dates are shown below.

Brythoniaid Dyndraig, Fomoraic Tarvax and Ysian Ax-Drune first

We'll still be shipping some starter sets on Monday the 20th of May, however - the Brythoniaid Dyndraig, Fomoraic Tarvax and Ysian Ax-Drune sets - and shipments will continue throughout that week and no doubt the week after, as it is simply physically impossible for us to pack and ship everything on the 20th. For one thing, it wouldn't all fit on the mail van!

Note here that we'll be shipping everything on an earlier date basis - i.e., the backers that completed their Kickstarter pledge the earliest on our webstore will have their orders shipped first.

Fomoraic Srónax, Ysian Brute and Norse Troll in June

We provisionally aim to start shipping the Fomoraic Srónax and Ysian Brute starter sets on the 3rd of June, with the Norse Troll starter sets provisionally starting to ship on the 17th of June. This also enables us to ship Gríminn and possibly Hrudinn (see below) with the Norse sets, far earlier than was stated on the Kickstarter project.

Angelcynn Duguth in July

Angelcynn starter sets should be shipped in July, possibly earlier, although this does depend on when we receive Penda the Bloody-Handed on foot.

However, we will have Cynemon and Ceonwulf ready in time for the Angelcynn Starter Sets - here's some piccies of Wulfhere and Ceonwulf too, both sculpted by James van Schaik!









Khthones Gorgon in September

We do not anticipate any delays on this starter set. Stéphane Simon has already started the first Gorgonar - Mneriiss, Harbinger of Khthon - and Stéphane NGuyen has begun work on Ssibyros. I'm afraid Thomas David is unavailable to sculpt Ssibyros in time, but Stéphane NGuyen is more than capable of taking on the Gorgonarchon - his work on Hirakoth, if you haven't seen it, is stunning!

Torku, Bone-Aberrant

Speaking of Stéphane, we only received Torku last week and thus she will just not be ready in time to ship with either of the Ysian starter sets and it's probable she'll be sent in July (combined with other shipments where possible). Remember here that Torku was originally slated for a December release!

Stéphane NGuyen's work on Torku is absolutely amazing - she is, in our opinion, a superb sculpt with an incredible amount of detail and far better than the pictures of her suggest - and he's even managed to ensure her breasts are an extra component so that she will look great with or without them. (We prefer her with them, of course). It's worth stating here, too, that you're getting a fantastic deal with Torku, because she's far bigger than we originally envisaged and it's likely she'll be £50.00 RRP in the end - she sits on a 100mm base and is the same size as Ulmons! So if you do want to take advantage of this fantastic deal, please ensure you buy her now.



Other Miniatures

The other miniatures we have offered for this Kickstarter project will simply be shipped when we have stated, unless we have them earlier and they can be shipped together with something else. As always we will keep you updated and informed all the way down the line.

Beowa, Once-Thegn of Beornica (both forms) will be shipped with each starter set as promised, please note.

Just to confirm, Aradae Mawr will be shipped with the Brythoniaid starter sets.

Dice and Tokens

These will be shipped with each starter set as promised.

Hrudinn, Valhrafn

Roberto has begun work on Hrudinn, and as you can see, he's going to be awesome... and very large!





QuickStarter Rules

Finally, a word on the QuickStarter Rules. I'm afraid they simply won't be ready in print form on time; there are many reasons for this but as we try to be professional we won't state them here, in (web) print...!

However, the QuickStarter Rules should be available to download - in PDF form - by the 25th of May. We're delaying the download until then so that a) people can try the rules out when they receive their miniatures and not before and b) so that we can do a little extra playtesting with certain warriors, which never hurts.

Kindred Musters

As we've mentioned previously, the rules are separate to the kindred musters (showing individual warrior profiles), which were always going to be download only as a rulebook with the musters would be rather too fat for its own good.

Note that the kindred musters will be downloadable in starter set shipment order. In other words, on the 25th of May we'll be releasing the Brythoniaid/Albainn muster, the Fomoraic muster and the Ysian/Vras musters in full (along with Beowa and Urbad's profiles). Each muster will include profiles for every single warrior available to that kindred.

There are reasons for releasing the musters in a staggered manner, not the least of which is that we can playtest the later ones a little more, but mainly it's so that people play with the miniatures they have and not proxies. Darklands is much better with the right miniatures on the battlefield!

Musters for those kindreds that do not have a starter set, such as the Infernii, will be released in full in June.

It's Alive!

Please note, too, that the QuickStarter Rules (in PDF form) will be a "Living Rulebook" (as will the kindred musters) which will change as both our playtesting and your play experiences inform us. At the end of the day, there's only so many battles we can play ourselves - we have miniatures to produce too! - so this will be a crucial part of the eventual full rules.

These "living rules" will be updated as and when something needs changing. Effectively, you will be playtesting a form of the full rules, and ONLY you - we will have a playtest forum on our forums within which ONLY those that have taken part in this Kickstarter will be allowed to comment.

When the printed rules are available, which should be some time in June, we'll send them in a separate package although we'll try to combine them with other shipments where possible.

More pics in update.

Hm. Something about the proportions on him are off. I'm not sure, but I think it's situated around his neck and shoulder area...

Maybe too small a head?

 ghosty wrote:
Hm. Something about the proportions on him are off. I'm not sure, but I think it's situated around his neck and shoulder area...

Maybe too small a head?

One arm is transformed, which I didnt get at first. He can shift part of himself to werewolf at a time it appears.

Mine's sent! I'll post some pics of hte stuff when it arrives.

My KS rewards have arrived

Tarvrax and Brythonaid starters





The starters each come with the appropriate bases, dice, tokens and of course the minis themselves







So having had no real time to look at these here are my first impressions

An excellent general standing of casting, all casting gates etc have been left on for you to clean up yourself which is the best way to do it

I'll need to look at each piece in more detail to be certain, but if all are as good as Urbad and Mawdred which I've looked at in more detail, great!
(the only issue I see at first glance is Aradae Mawr where some of the bits are in a darker resin that does not look to have held the detail as well, but this may be an optical illusion)

The dice are really nice and sound great on the table (if we could have got faction colours it would have been even better, but these dice are great)

The tokens are laser cut/etched wood, the cut is angled which is presumably to aid manufacture, but also make picking them up easy too

The bases are decent (and more importantly lie flat on the table), however the support underneath clearly shows through so you'll to at least do some basic (ho, ho) basework to camouflage this, and I suspect nobody elses resin base toppers will fit so the sooner Mierce can get some done the better for the less creative amongst us.

A couple more shots, Urbad



and Mawdred (who comes with two teeny tiny horns to glue on in a separate ziplock bag, these minis DO require assembly, and decent superglue skills)

Needs Can't wait for my minis to arrive.

Dungann, a giant type with his even bigger mystical rock

Nice. Wasn't sure about Dungann, but he looks pretty sweet there. Can't wait for mine to turn up. I'm waiting for the June send out though :(

Very nice - I am in June and later, I think....

Wow. Looks fantastic!

Hmm, I would have ordered Dungann had I seen the sculpt. Did they ever show a green on him?

My butt is sore from kicking myself for not getting in on this one. Dammit!