The Deathguard were previewed well in advance, and the release went on for ages (a couple of months anyway) after the book dropped too so it's not impossible
Kanluwen wrote: The book and Warscroll Cards are up for preorder on April 14th, we don't have dates for any of the models. That's something that was made repeatedly clear in the Idoneth related threads.
Yup, because it totally makes sense to release book for new range without any models for said range. If you really believe that, I have a bridge to sell you, even without considering we're talking about Games "No models, No rules" Workshop, a company that would choose to release rulebook a month after the models rather than give a free window of opportunity to IP pirates and recasters...
Do you for one second think that the entire range is going to be preordering on the same weekend?
Because, spoiler, that's not been the way they've done this for quite some time.
Tamwulf wrote: Do they ever reveal the model the Rumor Engine is based on? I don't think I've ever seen GW reveal the model, but I don't pay that much attention to the Rumor Engines/Community Pages.
They update the relevant rumor page with a link to the model when it's officially released, but they don't make any sort of announcement. You have to actually look back through the Community archives to find it.
Irbis wrote: ... even without considering we're talking about Games "No models, No rules" Workshop...
That's not what's meant by no model/no rule. These things have models. For all the rules.
Irbis wrote: ...a company that would choose to release rulebook a month after the models rather than give a free window of opportunity to IP pirates and recasters...
Paranoid nonsense, and how would releasing the models after the book help recasters? What would they be recasting???
Oh, that's easy. It's a bald dude wearing a hat with a gigantic horsehair plume holding an even more gigantic feather that bends under its own wait and touches the plume. Some kind of scribe, no doubt, is what you're thinking. But no. Tattoo artist. Can't be anything else.
aracersss wrote: are those tree branches the same as the leaked rumor mill?
The "tree branches"(and possibly some of the coral stalks) that GW have been using for the Deepkin photos are from some of the 40k deathworld terrain https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Deathworld-Barbed-Venomgorse-2017. Suits the undersea theme better then the deathworld one IMO
They aren't subject to any particular game with these, right? It could be necromunda, more new elves (or eldar), new emperor's children, a new bloodbowl team (lizards?).
Ditto for rider head piece, it was pointed out on last page 3 weeks ago. "Doesn't match anything we've seen"?
Kanluwen wrote: Do you for one second think that the entire range is going to be preordering on the same weekend?
Because, spoiler, that's not been the way they've done this for quite some time.
No. I believe half of it will be, like always. And lo and behold, it was, just like I said! Turns out GW doesn't publish books without models, who could have guessed?
The formulation on the community page makes me think either Skaven or Undead:
"We’ve sent our intern down to the deepest, darkest tunnels beneath Games Workshop to retrieve another gleaning from the mighty Rumour Engine – all we got back was this image and a typewritten note saying “send another”"
Tunnels male me think Skaven... but "send another" doesn't sound very much like them...
SKR.HH wrote: The formulation on the community page makes me think either Skaven or Undead:
"We’ve sent our intern down to the deepest, darkest tunnels beneath Games Workshop to retrieve another gleaning from the mighty Rumour Engine – all we got back was this image and a typewritten note saying “send another”"
Tunnels male me think Skaven... but "send another" doesn't sound very much like them...
The note was probably talking about an intern, who is basicly a slave , so its very skaven like. Send another slave
SKR.HH wrote: The formulation on the community page makes me think either Skaven or Undead:
"We’ve sent our intern down to the deepest, darkest tunnels beneath Games Workshop to retrieve another gleaning from the mighty Rumour Engine – all we got back was this image and a typewritten note saying “send another”"
Tunnels male me think Skaven... but "send another" doesn't sound very much like them...
The note was probably talking about an intern, who is basicly a slave , so its very skaven like. Send another slave
Sure... but usually I'd rather expected a Repetition of the verb (i.e. "Send, send another")... But that might have been too obvious.
bubber wrote: part of the new rope squig is revealed!!
Looks very "Death" to me. Considering we have the hangman post, and a few "macabre" images of candles, rose thorns and the preview of the coach, it's probably all related. Mark my words the Warhammer fest in May will be a huge Death reveal.
Anyone else hoping the candle is actually under this rope causing it to burn and then drop something like a piano or be some sort of elaborate Rube Goldberg machine
dogfender wrote: Anyone else hoping the candle is actually under this rope causing it to burn and then drop something like a piano or be some sort of elaborate Rube Goldberg machine
You mean like the kind of incredibly elaborate method of execution that the villain explains in the great detail to the hero, then inexplicably leaves so that the hero can escape? Yeah, could be that.
I’ll go out on a rope and say Dwarves....or whatever they are called now since it was written with a typewriter. That sort of a device for mass communication doesn’t seem to fit skaven society to me.
that's a good point there actually...who would be using a typewriter?...would anyone have those in AoS? (sorry if that's obvious, I know little of the level of technology etc in AoS)
the_scotsman wrote: I'm going to say the cartoonishness makes me think that's fantasy smoke, not sci fi smoke.
Call me silly, but it reminds me of the Weirdnob's staff more than, say, the one Devastator firing a rocket.
I'm thinking you are on the right track with regards to the fantasy side of things.
We already know that we're getting a model for the Purple Sun of Xereus spell soon-ish. Maybe this is part of a Pit of Shades? It could be that these are going to be part of the upcoming "next arc" for AoS. It keeps getting rumored that we're getting a new starter set that will be in the Realm of Death, which would make the Purple Sun of Xereus kind of a cool "Realm-exclusive" spell for when we're fighting there? Pit of Shades would make a good one for Realm of Shadow.
Well, the faint rings look like it's a 3D printed master so not something plastic. So, something from Forgeworld, maybe even Necromunda? Promethium guilder? A new hired gun? Redemptionist brazier? Perhaps Blood Bowl - new star player? Nurgles rotters?
zedmeister wrote: Well, the faint rings look like it's a 3D printed master so not something plastic. So, something from Forgeworld, maybe even Necromunda? Promethium guilder? A new hired gun? Redemptionist brazier? Perhaps Blood Bowl - new star player? Nurgles rotters?
Possibly, but the eavy metal often paint resin masters of minis that will be plastic in order to get box art done in time.
my first thought was some kind of coral/sponge belching out spores or something...to go with the deepkin...but I dunno, I'd think we'd have seen pretty much everything to do with them already right?
ZoBo wrote: my first thought was some kind of coral/sponge belching out spores or something...to go with the deepkin...but I dunno, I'd think we'd have seen pretty much everything to do with them already right?
Yes. We have seen everything for the Idoneth, unless they held something back for the next 'setting'.
Jep, that's an imperial guard commander. Nothing else! Or maybe a sister of battle that is hungry. Give that gal a snickers she isn't herself when she is hungry.
In all seriousness, I believe this to be an early glimpse at Orks. Perhaps this is the new Ghaz model or maybe a Squig. How fun would it be to have Bomb Squigs again?
Giant plastic squiggoths! A full range of 100+ ork models for all different factions. Largest model range ever brought out by GW. The codex is perfect! They go back to the old lore while keeping a grim dark tone and making orks look both fun and scary. Orksmplay amazing! There are so many different builds and every model is viable. I die happy. Oh... wiat.. I think i woke up... why are my sheets so wet?
I don't want to just dump on people wanting Orks(I want some love for the Greenskins too!) but I'm thinking it will be something related to this:
The Purple Sun of Xereus from the Lore of Death seems to be making a comeback, who knows what else we'll get when this drops? We had quite a few spells that could 'create' things like that and to me it's interesting that Battlemages retained the "specializations" but nobody else really has.
Could be a Nurgle catcher, as it matches the early design image. It might be Guffle Pusmaw.
I think squig / grot / ork is a good guess too.
I've read rumours about moonclan grots getting some releases for AOS, and then there's the rumours about Orks in winter.
I wonder if the mouth just up the page might be from that big nurgle dude with all the mouths in his stomach? the in the angled screenshot with him on the board it looks possible
Going by the admech symbol on his chest...titan crew, maybe?
I don't think he's imperial guard.
Then again, he does look a bit byzantine, so maybe they are doubling down on the Roman Empire schism theme by introducing a bunch of not-varangians.
...OR, he could be part of the upcoming Rogue Trader skirmish game
ZoBo wrote: ohh yeah! that one from 8th of feb, last year! finally!
That pistol was fully painted a year ago. What took them so long?
oof...who knows...maybe they had some issues/delays with the cardboard tiles, or the scenery bits or something? maybe they decided to push something else out earlier instead?...maybe they hadn't actually done any rules for this game yet? ...could be bloody anything
ZoBo wrote: ohh yeah! that one from 8th of feb, last year! finally!
That pistol was fully painted a year ago. What took them so long?
oof...who knows...maybe they had some issues/delays with the cardboard tiles, or the scenery bits or something? maybe they decided to push something else out earlier instead?...maybe they hadn't actually done any rules for this game yet? ...could be bloody anything
Yeah !
Anyway I'm glad the confusion with Kharadron is over
Remember the production timeline and the release timeline never have anything in common. GW has a long-term release schedule which I'm sure they adjust continuously all year. Any release, notably ones with rulebooks, etc. are definitely 3-4 years in the making most of the time.
I know people have seen the uproar in the past when a new kit comes out and the sprue is dated 2-3 years prior to its actual release. This is nothing new. They simply choose to time their releases to keep interest fresh over the course of the year. This understandably took a back seat to some of the larger projects and releases (namely codices, etc.).
I'm guessing quite a few have been solved thanks to Warhammer Fest, but I'm not 100% certain if I'm correct on all the ones I think are solved. I know 21 June 2017 and 30 January 2018 are solved as @Mad Dok Grotsnik and @bubber have said. There is also 28 June 2017, which is the front panel of the new Stormcast artillery piece (I'll let others bring up pictures as I'm just quickly passing through). I think (but am not certain) that 7 November 2017 and 2 January 2018 can be solved with one of the new Nighthaunt guys and the new Spell miniatures respectively (specifically the giant mouth thing for the latter). My gut tells me that 10 April 2018, 3 April 2018, and 13 February 2018 are solved by some of the new Stormcast stuff, but I can't confirm anything specific. Additionally, 6 March 2018, 6 February 2018, and 17 October 2017 all really seem like they'd be found within the new Nighthaunt stuff, but again that's just guesswork. Hopefully some of you will have better eyes than I and actually find the specific models for each.
EDIT: Additionally, 23 January 2018 is the horn of the Nighthaunt horse seen on the Warhammer Community site.
Almost certainly slaanesh. Those lines dont really fit anything else, and the claw shape is pretty obvious. The real question is - is it for a fiend, or for a keeper of secrets?
I wager new Keeper of Secrets. Considering the big updates to all the other chaos Gods its clear that the Keeper had to come with an update. Likely also getting a duel (very least) kit with a named keeper hero and perhaps something else too.
A little while ago we had a sets of steampunk/gear/mechanised i knoticed it’s part of the door/bulk head in the rogue trader set. Can’t link photos on my phones easily so I’ll let some one else pop that up if so inclinded unless it’s already been posted.
Overread wrote: I wager new Keeper of Secrets. Considering the big updates to all the other chaos Gods its clear that the Keeper had to come with an update. Likely also getting a duel (very least) kit with a named keeper hero and perhaps something else too.
When you consider the pattern of the past 3 years....that is very likely indeed.
KDK/Bloodbound
Thousand Sons/Arcanites
Death Guard/Maggotkin
I'd wager seeing a tiny WE codex release around the summer for Armageddon and then a full release of EC/Slaanesh at the end of the year.
And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
Overread wrote: I wager new Keeper of Secrets. Considering the big updates to all the other chaos Gods its clear that the Keeper had to come with an update. Likely also getting a duel (very least) kit with a named keeper hero and perhaps something else too.
When you consider the pattern of the past 3 years....that is very likely indeed.
KDK/Bloodbound
Thousand Sons/Arcanites
Death Guard/Maggotkin
I'd wager seeing a tiny WE codex release around the summer for Armageddon and then a full release of EC/Slaanesh at the end of the year.
And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
What you say is true... but I'd hope for Slaanesh first, with a large Chaos release including some WE later on, in which the very aged CSM kit is replaced with one that more visually matches the newer kits. Any upgrade for the existing kit would feel very lacklustre because the aesthetic is so outdated IMO.
Overread wrote: I wager new Keeper of Secrets. Considering the big updates to all the other chaos Gods its clear that the Keeper had to come with an update. Likely also getting a duel (very least) kit with a named keeper hero and perhaps something else too.
When you consider the pattern of the past 3 years....that is very likely indeed.
KDK/Bloodbound
Thousand Sons/Arcanites
Death Guard/Maggotkin
I'd wager seeing a tiny WE codex release around the summer for Armageddon and then a full release of EC/Slaanesh at the end of the year.
And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
What you say is true... but I'd hope for Slaanesh first, with a large Chaos release including some WE later on, in which the very aged CSM kit is replaced with one that more visually matches the newer kits. Any upgrade for the existing kit would feel very lacklustre because the aesthetic is so outdated IMO.
You could literally do a one week WE codex release or 2 week release with Armageddon.
New plastic Berserkers.
Angron.
WE Upgrade Sprue.
Plastic Flesh Hounds.
Whereas EC literally need to go back to 2nd ed, 3.5 roots. Sonic Terminators would be nice, an actual plastic Noise Marine kit would be nice, Sonic tanks, maybe even a few unique walkers....Fulgrim. Plus a very large chunk of the Slaanesh Daemon range - 2-3 heralds, Fiends, a Slaaneshi terrain piece....
DarkStarSabre wrote: And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
Yeah but they won't. They'll do a new WE Terminator kit with tons of new weapons. Plus some sort of Deathshroud/Exalted Sorcerer equivalent kit, and a new Berzerker kit.
You could literally do a one week WE codex release or 2 week release with Armageddon.
New plastic Berserkers.
Angron.
WE Upgrade Sprue.
Plastic Flesh Hounds.
Whereas EC literally need to go back to 2nd ed, 3.5 roots. Sonic Terminators would be nice, an actual plastic Noise Marine kit would be nice, Sonic tanks, maybe even a few unique walkers....Fulgrim. Plus a very large chunk of the Slaanesh Daemon range - 2-3 heralds, Fiends, a Slaaneshi terrain piece....
Absolutely, but I was thinking that the WE upgrade sprue would look very lacklustre on the old CSM and Chaos Terminator kits, and there is still no plastic Havoc kit, so I could see a WE release also being alongside a greater rejuvenation of the unaffiliated kits.
However, I think it is more likely to get a mini release with a handful of kits instead like you say. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even bother upgrading the Berzerker kit, because the current MO seems to be to only update aging SM plastics, and otherwise focus on resin kits and shiny new things for eveyone else.
DarkStarSabre wrote: And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
Yeah but they won't. They'll do a new WE Terminator kit with tons of new weapons. Plus some sort of Deathshroud/Exalted Sorcerer equivalent kit, and a new Berzerker kit.
Would they update the Berzerkers? How many non-SM old plastics have been updated recently? There seems to be a push to get everything in plastic first, so existing plastics are neglected.
World eaters would likely consist of angron, berzerkers, berzerkers terminators, and likely flesh hounds as a start. Potentially a couple clampack characters, maybe marines on juggernaut as the big kit.
This, I'd expect to be a split slaanesh ec release. Big on age of sigmar first, with keeper of secrets (nkari as named) fiends, probably masque, and some variant heralds on foot and or steed. Then mortal followers.
Ec could be later, with noise marines, likely terminator variants, fulgrim, lucius, and they could do the hell strider knight as another large kit.
Would they update the Berzerkers? How many non-SM old plastics have been updated recently? There seems to be a push to get everything in plastic first, so existing plastics are neglected.
How many old non-SM plastics are anywhere as old as the Berserkers or as ill-fitting in their range as Berserkers?
Berserkers have the problem of being a kit that has 2nd ed. proportions and backpacks.
The only plastics that are anywhere near that age or greater...that haven't been updated in one form or another (be it getting recut, having additional upgrade sprues added etc.) are....um...I'm at a loss here.
SM - Um, everything has been recut from 4th ed onwards or was younger than the Berserker kit to start with.
Orks - Warbuggies and Traks - however, Orks haven't had their 8th release yet and are rumoured for a bigger release wave than most in the summer.
Dark Eldar - Literally had their entire range redone in 5th.
Eldar - Oldest plastic kit iirc is the Falcon, which had the weapon sprue added in with 4th ed. So, technically younger than Berserkers with that update.
Tau - entire range was younger than the Berserkers.
Necrons - Hahaha, notice a pattern?
Imperial Guard - Literally everything is younger than the Berserkers or has been updated since.
Hell, the Sisters of Battle Range - half of it is younger than those Berserkers.
Berserkers have never had their sprue recut, they've never had an updated options sprue thrown in with them. The only change has been 32mm bases - they're still supplied with 2nd ed backpacks for the record.
DarkStarSabre wrote: And the reason I say a tiny WE codex release is because apart from new Berserkers...they are the traitor legion that aesthetically could mesh best with the existing Chaos range with little more than an upgrade sprue and wouldn't really have specialised units to the same extent as Thousand Sons (with their general fixed armaments), DG (Plague Marine weapon restrictions) and EC (Sonic Weapons).
Yeah but they won't. They'll do a new WE Terminator kit with tons of new weapons. Plus some sort of Deathshroud/Exalted Sorcerer equivalent kit, and a new Berzerker kit.
Would they update the Berzerkers? How many non-SM old plastics have been updated recently? There seems to be a push to get everything in plastic first, so existing plastics are neglected.
Some that spring to mind are the Tau Fire Warriors and Crisis Suits (and Tau as a faction/model range was already younger than the Khorne Berserkers).
That claw definitely has to be something Slaanesh. It messes with all the plastics from them. I’m sure it won’t be the Keeper, it’ll be something new. Unless I’m forgetting something, pretty much every rumor on the community website has been a new model, not an update. I’d expect we’ll see something completely new to go with that claw; like a mortal Slaanesh lord, similar to the new Nurgle Lords we got in the Maggotkin book. Or Fulgrim, even. I’m positive we’re getting a Keeper; I just don’t think this claw belongs to it.
timetowaste85 wrote: That claw definitely has to be something Slaanesh. It messes with all the plastics from them. I’m sure it won’t be the Keeper, it’ll be something new. Unless I’m forgetting something, pretty much every rumor on the community website has been a new model, not an update. I’d expect we’ll see something completely new to go with that claw; like a mortal Slaanesh lord, similar to the new Nurgle Lords we got in the Maggotkin book. Or Fulgrim, even. I’m positive we’re getting a Keeper; I just don’t think this claw belongs to it.
We got a piece of the new Great Unclean One as a preview, iirc. We got art for the Beast of Nurgle as a preview too.
With regards to Khorne, I'd be relatively comfortable to say the releases would be something like this:
AoS: Flesh Hounds Plastic Herald on foot and on Juggernaut Bloodsecrator and Bloodstoker clamshells Khorgorath
40k: Angron New Berzerker kit New Terminator kit Clamshell characters Khorgorath makes an appearance here too
stormboy wrote: Maybe this sword will be a part of the Gorkamorka rumor for this fall?
Seems extremely unlikely.
Gorkamorka seems more like wild speculation and wishful thinking than a solid rumour. With Adeptus Titanicus, Kill Team and Rogue Trader already scheduled for release this year the various people who work on spin-off games should be pretty busy already.
Plus this doesn't look much like any 40k ork gear. They tend to have chunky knives and anything longer than a knife always has 'teeth' attached. It could be a grot blade, but it would be odd for Gorkamorka to include grots when there are so many other models which make more sense for it (deffkoptas, buggies, wartrakks, biker boss).
I think it's probably fantasy grots (or whatever they are called now).
Dunno, Gorkamorka could be a one shot, similar to Shadow War, Knights Renegade, storm cloud attack or that Dark Eldar one. New Ork vehicles and assorted models could be bundled up into a Gorkamorka game.
After looking at the new Stormcast chamber - I think the April 10 hair bit is solved as well. The Lord Arcanum's mount has a double tail that flips very similarly.
Forgebane came more or less out of nowhere, right? I'd say they can make a Gorkamorka box more or less the same way.
One new kit x2 (buggy/deffkopta), two Characters (a plastic Big Mek with KFF and a plastic Warboss with big choppa), two old Boyz sprues and a Trukk. A little story about the crashed space hulk, and three custom scenarios tied together. Done.
Release by summer/early fall, giving the Ork players something to hold them over until the codex drops in November.
Gorkamorka would require more work than Forgebane though, as Forgebane was quite light on the new written content, just three scenarios and some fluff.
BrookM wrote: Gorkamorka would require more work than Forgebane though, as Forgebane was quite light on the new written content, just three scenarios and some fluff.
It'll be a bit shadow war esque if they did it. A butchered, simplified rehash of the original rules. And then everyone clamours for more and GW are shocked.
Verviedi wrote: I will, I'm just quite busy and don't have much time on my PC.
Spoiler:
(back hanger)
(horse's helmet horn)
(front crest)
(helmet)
... here are more comparisons
Edit 1: ... also the rose leak has a semblance to the decorative bits on the banshees of the new nighthaunt, but nothing matching 100% as of yet
I mean, apart from one of them literally being called "The Lion", and prior rumours(their reliability aside) mentioning him as one of the possibilities for the next Loyalist Primarch to come back, sure, no reason at all. But yeah, sure, nothing Warhammery has ever used leonine iconography before the Stormcast
Nobody thought that metal lion was from a primarch. The one people teorised for being of a Primarch was the lion face that ended up being the cape of Trajann Valoris.
I’d imagine they’ll be cooking up some named/new characters and new units. GSC was a hit release, so they have an opportunity to sell those people more than just a book and some Aberrants.
JohnnyHell wrote: I’d imagine they’ll be cooking up some named/new characters and new units. GSC was a hit release, so they have an opportunity to sell those people more than just a book and some Aberrants.
They specifically said that there's more to come for GSC than just the Aberrants, so I would be surprised if they didn't get some named characters at least.
Not sure named characters should be a thing for genecults. They don’t even have the power of the Hive Mind to store backups of themselves in, so any named characters would have to be limited to one world.
Certainly they could have more characters (a ‘junior’ form of Magus for example), for cults that manage to get two complete Cycles in before emerging, or some more upgunned civilian vehicles, or even further specialisations of Acolytes (wings anyone?) but a named dude would be kinda odd. Unless it was some kind of super-Patriarch that gets recycled like the Swarmlord because he’s just that good?
Yeah. Any named character in a Genestealer Cult would be doomed to death immediately at the hands of the very gods he worships. I don't see the point. I could definitely get behind some new generic HQ choices for them, though.
Mr_Rose wrote: Not sure named characters should be a thing for genecults. They don’t even have the power of the Hive Mind to store backups of themselves in, so any named characters would have to be limited to one world.
Certainly they could have more characters (a ‘junior’ form of Magus for example), for cults that manage to get two complete Cycles in before emerging, or some more upgunned civilian vehicles, or even further specialisations of Acolytes (wings anyone?) but a named dude would be kinda odd. Unless it was some kind of super-Patriarch that gets recycled like the Swarmlord because he’s just that good?
We've already had named characters of sorts in the DW:OK box's original tide-you-over White Dwarf rules.
You could always use Meh'lindi’s excuse that she snuck aboard a transportafter her home cult was exposed and destroyed, or something like it? Seems a bit lame though.
Mr_Rose wrote: You could always use Meh'lindi’s excuse that she snuck aboard a transportafter her home cult was exposed and destroyed, or something like it? Seems a bit lame though.
Isn't there something in the fluff about Vanguard organisms(Lictors, Genestealers) having a biological imperative to flee the coming of a Hive Fleet specifically to avoid being biomassed?
Could be that the Genestealer Primus(which has a similar sword to what we're seeing here) has a similar dealie going on. It could also just be that it's a part from the Aberrant boxed set.
Also the Hive fleets refuse to absorb the Ymgarl genestealers, supposedly due to extreme genetic instability. Presumably the Ymgarl produce cults like other genestealers, so maybe we could get a named Ymgarl GSC character?
Another possibility, the 7th edition GSC codex mentioned in passing that the cult's Boneswords (and presumably "Bonedaggers" seen on some Acolytes) are grown and harvested from the Patriarch's Throne. Given that the last two releases have had a fortification of some sort it could be that GSC will be getting the throne in some form as well.
cool as that could be...unless it's somehow mobile?...I can't see it happening...because wouldn't the patriarch's throne be deep in the heart of the cult's lair? - not particularly likely that said lair is gonna be in the middle of a battlefield...
...'course, I admittedly know very little about GSC really, so I could be way off with any/all of that...
A fortification is at odds with the mobile, infiltrating close-ranged playstyle that GSC have been designed with. I’m not saying that it isn’t happening, I’m just saying that it would be fairly irregular without more support for a static play style (support as in “this unit is supposed to be good at shooting things as a gunline,” not “this unit is mathematically viable at shooting things in a gunline”)
EnTyme wrote:Yeah. Any named character in a Genestealer Cult would be doomed to death immediately at the hands of the very gods he worships. I don't see the point. I could definitely get behind some new generic HQ choices for them, though.
Cults can extend further than a single world. The CUlt Hydraic has spread far and wide, while the original Ghosar CUlt had spread even further among several systems. Special Characters do not have to be in immediate danger of being absorbed into the Hive Fleet.
Also, Special Characters are special in that they can exist outside the current time-line. Saint Tenndac could be a special character for the Pauper Princes, though he is explicitly dead as of right now.
Haighus wrote:Also the Hive fleets refuse to absorb the Ymgarl genestealers, supposedly due to extreme genetic instability. Presumably the Ymgarl produce cults like other genestealers, so maybe we could get a named Ymgarl GSC character?
Old Lore. They have been absorbed and their traits turned into a Relic called the Ymgarl Factor.
Cult had to spread and take control of a whole Star System to call for the Hive Fleet. Most of the largest cult still remain because they was not able to do that. GSC is more of a nuisance compare to actual threat like other xenos race or chaos.
nah, it's not one of those in the pic...not the right shape or details...definitely looks imperial though, and probably pretty small, judging by the paint detail...
whatever it is, doesn't look like anything to do with orks, so I don't care
They've already previewed the Rogue Trader set, so you can pretty much rule it out on any new Rumor Engines. The Rumor Engine is always something that's yet to be shown.
EnTyme wrote: They've already previewed the Rogue Trader set, so you can pretty much rule it out on any new Rumor Engines. The Rumor Engine is always something that's yet to be shown.
Kill team scenography were in 2 rumor engine AFTER they showed the video.
It might be a new backpack for a GSC model. If you look at the 360 view of the Seismic Cannon wielding Neophyte model on GW's website you'll note the screen and nob from the rumor engine image are very similar to the sort above the power pack for the Seismic Cannon.
In the Deathwing video game Aberrants supposedly appear armed with Mining Lasers (haven't played it yet, heard from a friend who was bemoaning them), so maybe there will be an alternate build with heavy mining weapons instead of power weapons?
I don't think it's Genestealer cult. Right at the bottom of the original pic looks nothing like a Genestealer Cult would have on it's sword, unless it's a Carnifex that has a sword on it. Maybe it's an Elder Genestealer Cult?
Square grip pattern is obvious reference to dozens of existing SM weapons, striped cable, too. The only thing that makes me unsure is the fact it's way too primitive looking for Custodes, and even DW spear looks much more detailed than this. Still, it's obviously something hand held, not motorcycle or anything. I have no idea what the sculptor thinks the handle is doing, tho
Square grip pattern is obvious reference to dozens of existing SM weapons, striped cable, too. The only thing that makes me unsure is the fact it's way too primitive looking for Custodes, and even DW spear looks much more detailed than this. Still, it's obviously something hand held, not motorcycle or anything. I have no idea what the sculptor thinks the handle is doing, tho
Settle down fella. You know as much about it as the rest of us do.
Huh, you might be right, looted Power Hammers aberrants carry have very similar grips. Figures, it was one group I forgot to check Still, my hunch was almost 100% correct, Imperial weapon but more primitive than refined versions more high tech factions carry.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Settle down fella. You know as much about it as the rest of us do.
Yeah, sorry I try to make educated guess instead of spamming tired squig memes Though, I must ask, have you ever seen an ork bike? Like, even once? Either GW or FW variant? Or proposed Necromunda factions? If you had, you would have known these things look nothing like this bit and any comparison to them was nonsense, especially seeing how hard new GW is trying to invent new look for everything (see sharkelfs and balloon dwarfs for one), not make something that was already radically different more similar. Maybe actually check them out then you will see from where I was coming from?
given they're previewing GSC and Orks and space wolves are supposed to come before I got a hunch Orks and Space Wolves won't see any new minis with their 'dexes
BrianDavion wrote: given they're previewing GSC and Orks and space wolves are supposed to come before I got a hunch Orks and Space Wolves won't see any new minis with their 'dexes
They’ve previewed stuff that could be Orky in the past.
BrianDavion wrote: given they're previewing GSC and Orks and space wolves are supposed to come before I got a hunch Orks and Space Wolves won't see any new minis with their 'dexes
They also strongly implied at UK Games con that they would.
It's funny, we're all geared up for a massive Ork release but all the evidence points towards a huge GSC expansion. Which would come out of nowhere and make a lot of Ork players sad. XD But, they make GSC worth playing I might be tempted to try them out.
Look at the GSC, theybhave teased them , adjusted them, leaked potential info, showed us a model and now hinted at more models they're building us up for this! I haven't heard a single drop of actual reliable Ork rumours and we're about 1 month away.
At UKGE they said the Ork codex would come with new models, but wouldn't say what. They also said that there would be some new GSC stuff released *before* the new codex when they showed off the new Abberant, I assume for Kill Team and to remove the reliance upon Kill Team as their only source.
endtransmission wrote: At UKGE they said the Ork codex would come with new models, but wouldn't say what. They also said that there would be some new GSC stuff released *before* the new codex when they showed off the new Abberant, I assume for Kill Team and to remove the reliance upon Kill Team as their only source.
Until I see footage I don't believe anything. However, these sneak peaks (as shown above) suggest more GSC are on the way.
Irbis wrote: Yeah, sorry I try to make educated guess instead of spamming tired squig memes Though, I must ask, have you ever seen an ork bike? Like, even once? Either GW or FW variant? Or proposed Necromunda factions? If you had, you would have known these things look nothing like this bit and any comparison to them was nonsense, especially seeing how hard new GW is trying to invent new look for everything (see sharkelfs and balloon dwarfs for one), not make something that was already radically different more similar. Maybe actually check them out then you will see from where I was coming from?
Again, you don't know anything more than anyone else. I suggested it might be something Cawdor related. Others something Ork related. Others something Genestealer Cult related.
None of these are wrong. Note of these are right. We just don't know.
In fairness Orks are a very old faction with a big amount of models on the market; yes a good few are old, but they've at least got them. Genestealers is a very new army and whilst it can piggyback almost anything it wants out of the Imperial Guard army; the actual core of the GSC is much smaller. So it stands to reason that they'd get more attention in terms of more models.
BrianDavion wrote: given they're previewing GSC and Orks and space wolves are supposed to come before I got a hunch Orks and Space Wolves won't see any new minis with their 'dexes
Space Wolves are already a heavily bloated sub faction which had to resort to increasing flanderisation to justify yet more models.
They will almost certainly get snowflake Primaris like BA and DA with this release to clutter up the shelves. Hopefully they won't get anything more so the design team have been focussing on factions that actually need new models!
But as pointed out, we've seen a probable Squig and alikely gobbo sword. So there are Orkoid rumours too. More likely to be AoS goblins, but still possibly covering some 40k Orks too.
Huh, you might be right, looted Power Hammers aberrants carry have very similar grips. Figures, it was one group I forgot to check Still, my hunch was almost 100% correct, Imperial weapon but more primitive than refined versions more high tech factions carry.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Settle down fella. You know as much about it as the rest of us do.
Yeah, sorry I try to make educated guess instead of spamming tired squig memes Though, I must ask, have you ever seen an ork bike? Like, even once? Either GW or FW variant? Or proposed Necromunda factions? If you had, you would have known these things look nothing like this bit and any comparison to them was nonsense, especially seeing how hard new GW is trying to invent new look for everything (see sharkelfs and balloon dwarfs for one), not make something that was already radically different more similar. Maybe actually check them out then you will see from where I was coming from?
looking at the posts related to the image...nobody used squig memes or mentioned orks as a possibility until after your post.
Hmm, let's see...
It looks like a handle...and motorcycles have handles...and one of the more famous armies to use them is Space Marines...and the most well known subfaction to do that is Ravenwing...and they're part of the Dark Angels...and their Primarch is the Lion...
Nah mate, it's obviously this is jist miss understand. The person taking the picture just missed the Russ model he was supposed to be taking a picture off and accidentally snapped the equipment for the buildings heaters.
... flames are from the new "Everblaze Comet" Stormcast Endless Spell via Warhammer Community
Interesting thought. When they make the teaser pic are they just taking a pic or are they actually taking the actual image and just photoshoping it? If that is the case that would mean these pics were already done, painted and the photos are well in advanced made. I guess the rules are made in a less time frame, hopefully. Now I am really curious what GW has in fact up their sleave if the minis are already made and painted.
If someone had said back in January that it was from a comet model that comes in a box set with a hammernado and a hoverboard for your Stormcast wizards, would anyone have believed them?
Pretty sure that most of the images are of actual painted models, probably resin prototypes given to the painters to make versions for box covers, etc. well in advance of their release.
Seems unlikely. Surely a shaper would carry a kroot(ish) skull and this doesn't have any of their distinctive features, notably lacking an underbite and having teeth.
My guess is DarkOath Shaman; has a very similar aesthetic, especially with the hanging skulls.
yes it does have similar aesthetic and having a closer look their weapons the sword from may have very similar aesthetic to the sword and axe from both drakoath models
Edit: both are chipped and the blade is done the same way it's a lot more noticeable against the warqueen's axe
Irbis wrote: Kind of resembles Seraphon pterodactyl head but do these even have real skulls these days?
The Seraphon being "dreams made manifest by Slann" is a little bit more complicated than that.
Though looking at the model, it looks to be a detail, not a major feature. So definitely nothing the size of a dinosaur.
That lore has been actualized. Yeah, Seraphon, at least the first ones, were "born" from magic, but after that they are flesh and bones. The Seraphon that live in the free cities are normal living beings. I don't know if they reproduce or not, but they normal beings, organic.
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