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Post by: Bioptic
Quite, it is a very nice £30 RPG/artbook included in your £250 game!
Oh, this is all so strange. These things are going to be like Unicorns, occasionally glimpsed but mostly spoken of in legend. Perhaps a Unicorn bred with a Carthorse, anyway!
I would be genuinely fascinated by how this sells at "retail" - his resin humans are lapped up at $25 a pop, and this contains much more value than 11 or less of them. It contains more value than the $100 pinups set, or even the pinups set at 50% off!
Is there a sufficient market of comfortably well-off hobbyist-boardgamers that is not currently being fully catered to?
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Post by: theAnt
Bioptic - I would be interested in this as well.
I've bought a few of the kits that were sold through the website on the strength of the models alone. I am pretty tempted by the game itself but
~£180 isn't cheap, although the fact it is on offer is a plus.
Does anyone know if the game works as a single player experience? I'm guessing finding other players might be a little tricky and the better half is not the type to get excited by tiny monsters, even if they are as wonderfully deranged as these. It would be good to know that I could get something out of the box besides the modelling side.
Also, does anyone know whether we'll be able to get extra survivor models? Seems a shame to get so much gear and have to try and fit it all on the four in the box. I sense over-encumbrance would become an issue fairly quickly...
Cheers,
Ant
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Post by: Baragash
theAnt wrote:Does anyone know if the game works as a single player experience? I'm guessing finding other players might be a little tricky and the better half is not the type to get excited by tiny monsters, even if they are as wonderfully deranged as these. It would be good to know that I could get something out of the box besides the modelling side.
The monsters are AI-based through their monster deck normally anyway as I understand it, so a single player experience is just the normal game with you controlling all the survivors.
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Post by: Alpharius
The 'single player experience' (stop laughing!) is the only thing that might make me keep the game rather than sell it all off.
Maybe.
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Post by: Toronian
hey has anyone found any sleeves for the gear cards yet had a quick look at the closest i could come up with is the mayday sleeves which are 70mmx70mm which is a lil big (by about 19mm)
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Post by: DaveC
Toronian wrote:hey has anyone found any sleeves for the gear cards yet had a quick look at the closest i could come up with is the mayday sleeves which are 70mmx70mm which is a lil big (by about 19mm)
Swanpanasia do 2"x2" card sleeves I have a pack to try out but with 1000 odd cards to sleeve I might not bother
http://swanpanasiasleeves.com/standard-sleeves/swan-card-sleeves-52x52-mm-160-per-pack.html
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Post by: Toronian
Swanpanasia do 2"x2" card sleeves I have a pack to try out but with 1000 odd cards to sleeve I might not bother
ok dont know if i got the quote right but anyhow
im planning to only sleeve the cards as i need to use them 1k is too much to do in one sitting though i think i wont need to do them all in one sitting as i dont think i would use them all (and only need to sleeve the the hit location... ai and resources of the monster im using as well as the gear cards... standard resources to begin with then slowly sleeve the rest as they are needed
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Post by: RivenSkull
Just get them laminated.
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Post by: Piperi
theAnt wrote:Also, does anyone know whether we'll be able to get extra survivor models? Seems a shame to get so much gear and have to try and fit it all on the four in the box. I sense over-encumbrance would become an issue fairly quickly...
Cheers,
Ant
Each of the armor kits can make 4 Survivors in the armor from the kit. Thus you will be able to make a total of 32 Survivors. The starting 4 are single pose and the other 28 are customizable and interchangeable.
I bolded and underlined the survivors in the list of contents.
Example of an Armor Kit
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Post by: theAnt
 Piperi wrote:theAnt wrote:Also, does anyone know whether we'll be able to get extra survivor models? Seems a shame to get so much gear and have to try and fit it all on the four in the box. I sense over-encumbrance would become an issue fairly quickly...
Cheers,
Ant
Each of the armor kits can make 4 Survivors in the armor from the kit. Thus you will be able to make a total of 32 Survivors. The starting 4 are single pose and the other 28 are customizable and interchangeable.
I bolded and underlined the survivors in the list of contents.
Example of an Armor Kit
Thanks Piperi, guess thats what I get for ignoring all text and scrolling straight to the pictures. Seeing as you do get so many models, it is looking like better value, at least compared to the other kits on the webstore.
Baragash, Alph - thanks for confirming the single player aspect, it is looking very tempting now... just got to call in some favours or find an organ one can do without and we're good to go.
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Post by: xowainx
I think I'm going to cave and get it now, despite having missed all the good value deals, it's only going to get worse?
Quick question though, do the rules for the extra/limited models on the Kingdom Death store come with the models, or does the box game include a bestiary/the cards for them?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
xowainx wrote:I think I'm going to cave and get it now, despite having missed all the good value deals, it's only going to get worse?
Quick question though, do the rules for the extra/limited models on the Kingdom Death store come with the models, or does the box game include a bestiary/the cards for them?
Models in the store are not part of KD: Monster- they may eventually become a part of the project after Monster where heroic characters play a role.
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Post by: Dentry
A small bit of news from the KS comments.
Kingdom Death wrote:We will most likely make the armor kits available. Around the studio we have what we call the 'hall of death'. Where we retire our favorite characters once they've met their ultimate end!
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Post by: endtransmission
Great news on the armour kits
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
excellent news,
although I don't imagine i'll need any for quite some time.....
(who am I kidding I'll want some immediately)
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Hope they aren't premium priced.
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Post by: Dentry
Adam is/was in the KS comments section talking to backers and answering questions. One tidbit:
Kingdom Death wrote:We are trying our best to get fulfillment to be simultaneous, but it might be tricky!
As I understood, the next KS update is supposed to be more definitive as far as (targeted) fulfillment logistics.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Copying over a couple quotes from the N&R thread-
 Sinful Hero wrote:" Dice, Promos, Armor Kits, Pinups and your T-Shirts, are all being shipped from our office in NY. It was the only way to make these complicated pick & pack orders fit into our budget. Warehouses charge per pick, usually around 0.50 - 2.00 depending on the place and your deal with them. I also trust us internally to get this right much more so then I do with an external company."
Automatically Appended Next Post:
" All of the expansions were designed to be very modular. The Gorm expansion, for example, has rules for you to incorporate it into a campaign two different ways. 1, by simply adding its intro story event to your next year on the timeline. 2. Starting a brand new campaign with the Gorm intro at the very start of your campaign. It has a pretty nasty re-occuring climate story event, that can really change how a new campaign feels. It does not replace anything, its merely added. Your settlement may hunt it, or anything else that is available to them."
Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Sorry. My lips are sealed on shipments until I make my big fulfillment update. All I can say is that, internally we are packing small reward boxes like crazy and that the core game + survivor level rewards are still in transit to their respective global warehouses. My favorite part of the project? Playing with friends and fans during gencon was an absolute blast. In recent memory, the experience I had at Gallery 42 was a tremendous high point. Otherwise I would say, anytime I get to clear other work away and get back to creating. I still just love that part!"
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I just received shipping notice for a couple pinups, so stuff is happening. Smartpost Tracking number isn't yet live, but should be in a week, so there are good odds I receive my first KD : M models by end of month.
Huzzah!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Great news! I suppose I should be watching my inbox/junk folders for notifications as well. 
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Post by: Alpharius
Same here - I actually ordered quite a few of the "small rewards" so I think my package will be going on later, but at least it will have more stuff in it!
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Post by: BrookM
Also the same here, my brother wanted all the pin-ups along with an extra set of dice. But it is great news that things are finally getting shipped slowly but surely! 
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Post by: Bromsy
Hello Bakcer,
Thank you so much for your patience and support. Your Kingdom Death: Monster kickstarter small reward box is on its way!
Your small reward box includes:
1 x White Speaker: Plastic
1 x Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico (kss_2)
1 x Promo: Kara Black (kss_4)
1 x Messenger of Courage (kss_5)
1 x Messenger of the First Story (kss_7)
1 x Messenger of Humanity (kss_8)
1 x Thsirt Medium ( m)
Your small reward box, does not include core games, survivor level rewards or expansions.
You will get a separate email notifying you when that ships.
It may take up to a week for the tracking number provided below to be live.
Your package will be delivered via FedEx SmartPost
Promo Rules
The challenge scenarios and associated cards will be provided via PDF November, 2015. Printed versions will be made available at a later date.
If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to us at support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com
Make sure to be as descriptive as you can and to include your backer email or pledge ID # as it will help us help you faster.
Thank you,
- Adam Poots
Spelling errors aside... squeeeee.
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Post by: youwashock
Just got the wave 1 email. White Speaker, shirt, couple promos and pinups. Can hardly believe it's happening.
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Post by: JBSchroeds
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Got mine as well-
Your small reward box includes:
1 x White Speaker: Plastic
1 x Primal Huntress: Plastic (ppin_4)
1 x Dragon Sacrifice: Plastic (ppin_5)
1 x Twilight Witch: Plastic (ppin_9)
1 x Lantern Festival: Plastic (ppin_10)
1 x Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico (kss_2)
1 x Thsirt XL ( xl)
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Ooh-- mine, too. The anticipation!
I forgot that KD got me in to berserk...
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Post by: BrookM
I wonder when EU fulfilment of these items will commence.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 BrookM wrote:I wonder when EU fulfilment of these items will commence.
Dunno. FedEx tracking shows mine to be out for delivery this morning (originally picked up in NY on 8/20, notice created 8/18), so I should have mine when I get back from work! I am positively giddy at the prospect of finally receiving the first increment of what will be a small avalanche.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Dear god these minis are fahkin beautiful!
These are probably the best non-resin minis I have handled since I first saw an Infinity model.
glad Poots the change of material. So many teeny tiny details would have been lost.
also I am missing my shirt :(
My life is a blur, how long did I wait for this delivery?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Mine came. Ended up with the correct figures as well, thank goodness.
Fearful of painting these.
Like Piston Honda said, the tiny details on them probably would be lost in other materials...but they'll be just as lost with my painting skills  .
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Post by: cincydooley
PHOTOS!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
It's here!  I was slightly disappointed that there wasn't a pinup card for the White Speaker.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
?
Ignore the Troll Outpost guys. They finally came and I am happy.
White Speaker, Messenger of Hyrule, Messenger of the Band of the Hawk?
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Post by: Baragash
I've got married and had a baby since I backed this!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I've been married as well.
It's actually kinda funny- Adam himself has had a kid since this project began.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Piston Honda wrote:Dear god these minis are fahkin beautiful!
also I am missing my shirt :(
[/quote
was the shirt on your delivery notice ?
and more generally it's great to see these starting to arrive
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Post by: cincydooley
I also had a Child, and she turned one, since I backed this.
I sorta want some kinda special art card to be sent to those of us that had babies during the process 
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Post by: zedmeister
Good grief, have we all had children since this ended? I know I have and they've also turned one. Truly, the last few years have been busy...
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Post by: Wehrkind
 zedmeister wrote:Good grief, have we all had children since this ended? I know I have and they've also turned one. Truly, the last few years have been busy...
Gotta get that settlement started while you can, before some lion made of intestines crushes your genitals, after all.
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Post by: SeanDrake
My babie is due early october l suspect the baby will be bere before Monster.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
zedmeister 490911 8084827 6d4530e3c0624e3fb5481cdce15e865f.jg timepg wrote:Good grief, have we all had children since this ended? I know I have and they've also turned one. Truly, the last few years have been busy...
No more kids that I'm aware of... Not even a pregnancy scare.
And not for lack of opportunity.
But yeah, long time.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Now that I think about it, my brother-in-law has had two kids during this run...
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Post by: Baragash
zedmeister wrote:Good grief, have we all had children since this ended? I know I have and they've also turned one. Truly, the last few years have been busy...
Mine is almost two, she arrived the month this was originally meant to deliver.
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Post by: BrookM
We've been parasite free all throughout this, but where's our pat on the shoulder huh?
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah - fantastic news all (most?) and TMI too - wow!
So...back on topic!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Tried to start one of my messengers... no idea where some of these parts go. How embarrassing. 
(For what it's worth, my other not- Barzam brother had a kid right before the campaign started, and has one due as soon as shipment begins.)
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Now, I'm wondering if I need to worry about special clipping techniques to avoid losing tiny bits like the Robotech Recon Pod antenna (no, not the one that you shave, the one that goes on the front)...
Maybe low-rez tape while I clip? Hm...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Kingdom Death
17 mins ·
.
Quick Wave 1 Shipping Clarifications
We are currently packing “Small Reward Boxes” in our office. We wanted to take some extra time before making an official update to ensure our process was in order. Adam will make a bigger Kickstarter update when he is ready.
- First and foremost, we are still troubleshooting our process. Our office has been converted to a mail room and all hands are on deck to ensure everyone gets their rewards in a timely fashion with as little screw ups on our part as possible (they just cost us time and money, both of which are tight!). There will be mistakes, so just bare with us. Wait until your order arrives and then submit a ticket to support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com for help.
- Survivor Level backers get t-shirts, as do Resin Beta Backers that upgraded their pledge to include a survivor. Extra survivor units, added via the pledge manager do not get t-shirts, nor do any black Friday backers from 2014. This was clearly indicated on the pledge manager and also on our store during the black Friday promotions (we ran out of shirts!).
- Backers getting physical rewards, will get a White Speaker and Twilight Knight gift, on a per pledge basis.
- White Speakers are being packed by us with wave 1 small reward boxes.
- Twilight Knights are included in survivor level reward boxes that are shipping during wave 2, with the core game. There was a factory mix up, that's where they ended up. Not a big deal.
- Backers that did not get a survivor level reward, are getting their Twilight Knights now during wave 1. We are aware of many packages from day 1 and 2 that went out without them. We are on it. Don’t worry about it.
Thanks!!!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Thanks. That would have made a fantastic Update....
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Good to know. I got a non Survivor pledge with no Twilight Knight in my goodies so far.
I even sucked it up and started painting them (terribly).
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Post by: DaveC
UK backer just reported getting a shipping notice in the comments - only 2 items so starting small
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Squee
(lets hope they were always UK and not a US backer who's moved in the interim)
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Post by: Baragash
*anticipation dance*
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Post by: DaveC
Creator Kingdom Death 10 minutes ago
Actively working on update now.
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Post by: BrookM
Sweet, something to look forward to, though at this stage it feels like a race, what will pop up first? The game or the smaller stuff?
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Post by: Elemental
 DaveC wrote:UK backer just reported getting a shipping notice in the comments - only 2 items so starting small
Just got mine as well, for a slightly embarrassing number of pinups.
1 x White Speaker: Plastic
1 x Phoenix Dancer: Plastic (ppin_2)
1 x Dragon Sacrifice: Plastic (ppin_5)
1 x Twilight Witch: Plastic (ppin_9)
1 x Lantern Festival: Plastic (ppin_10)
1 x Spider Silk Assassin: Plastic (ppin_11)
1 x Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic (ppin_12)
1 x Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico (kss_2)
1 x Promo: Kara Black (kss_4)
1 x Messenger of the First Story (kss_7)
3 x Stone Face Base Inserts x10 (base_1)
1 x Twilight Knight (000bonus1)
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Post by: Alpharius
That's...not an embarrassing number of pinups! 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
On the plus side, Adam shared this little tidibit in the comments:
Adam wrote:@Lawrence Long, It means I am carefully typing content for the update, adding images and am not currently packing small rewards. As always, if you have an issue message me directly about it. Thank you.
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Post by: Dentry
 Elemental wrote: DaveC wrote:UK backer just reported getting a shipping notice in the comments - only 2 items so starting small
Just got mine as well, for a slightly embarrassing number of pinups.
Am I reading that correctly? You're getting 12 Allisons, etc?
If so, bravo. You can set up one swanky looking Lantern Festival.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Per the "1 x", he's only getting one Alison.
"ppin_12" is Plastic PINup #12.
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Post by: Dentry
Ah, makes sense but now seems rather... small.
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Post by: Elemental
 Dentry wrote:Am I reading that correctly? You're getting 12 Allisons, etc?
If so, bravo. You can set up one swanky looking Lantern Festival.
I think those are the catalogue numbers or something like that. Though it'll be interesting if they're not.
I remember how I was sure that by the time these arrived, I'd have the painting skill to do them justice. Better get practising!
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Post by: DaveC
I just got wave 1 shipping confirmation so not just UK going out
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Post by: endtransmission
Yep, It looks like all international backers are in one wave as there are also reports from Ireland, UK, Germany, Australia and Spain as well.
My confirmation arrived too, so the countdown begins. So far the tracking hasn't kicked in on the USPS system yet
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Post by: BrookM
I'm impatiently watching my inbox like a hawk.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Wait until you see how delicate the models are!
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Post by: JBSchroeds
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Wave 1 = now.
Wave 2 = Q4.
Wave 3 = Q1 2016.
Gorm Armor looks good.
I'm glad to see the update, along with shipping information. Good stuff.
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Post by: Alpharius
Wave 3 *could* be earlier, but yeah, odds are it will end up in January of 2016.
I just hope it doesn't get hit by CNY 2016 because then...
Anyway, that was an awesome update.
Everything just looks so good - the art in the game books too! Wow!
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Meh. I'm expecting to paint a mountain of pretty models before then... unless it's something huge, I'm expecting to have plenty to do in the mean time. Not like I wouldn't prefer it, but don't really care.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I like that Adam himself noted that things could be later, likely so, based on his past history of prediction...
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Post by: BrookM
Bit sad that it won't arrive during my vacation as was originally mentioned. 
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Post by: Baragash
Is "Bakcers" a KD:M meme now?
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Post by: LosesBadly
Still waiting on the Wave 1 shipping email myself, but I figure I'm in the latter group of the domestic shipping with a survivor level pledge.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
Same here, but I believe I had some resins in there (got in on one of the Black Friday Launch packages with resin minis).
Eagerly awaiting my plastic and resin crack!
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Post by: DaveC
This was posted in the comments if your an international backer and have your tracking number enter it here http://www.trackitonline.ru/ and you will see the declared value of your wave 1 package so you can calculate any VAT/Import taxes due.
I won't mention mine as Adam was very coy about valuations in the update but I'm very happy with my declared value
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Post by: Mymearan
Didn't he sort out EU container shipping in the end or did he ship everything individually from the US?
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Post by: DaveC
Wave 1 is coming directly from the US, Wave 2 and probably 3 are shipping from within the EU so you may have to pay VAT/Import taxes on your wave 1 items (but not as much as you might be expecting )
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
How have the International Packages been valued? Any Examples? I ask because I ordered all the Resin Pin-Ups and Plastic Promo's so I'm expected to be [MOD EDIT - Please find a different way to express yourself - Alpharius] by UK Customs on this shipment.
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Post by: Bioptic
Latest update says "The vast majority of your pledge paid for things beyond raw goods, thus we have declared the value of your small rewards appropriately. I can't be more specific then that."
I assume that he means he's giving an extremely low estimate, which may very well come back to bite him if this is investigated even slightly. Probably good news for the backers though!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Just got my wave 1 Pinups in the mail.
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Post by: Alpharius
And...?
Or, maybe...
...pics, or it didn't happen?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
This should be all the proof I need.
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Post by: vegeta365
For those of us who are only just finding out about such an amazing product, is everything that was in the KS able to be used in the game?
Looking to get the box whilst it is available and need to find out what other bits I can order.
All advice is very much welcome.
Thanks a lot.
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Post by: Alpharius
It has been a while since I looked at the full list of add-ons you could get though...
I think most things are?
For example, the "Pinups" are usable in the game, but are really just 'sexy' versions of existing survivors - so not strictly necessary unless you're a completionist.
Like many of us are!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
vegeta365 wrote:For those of us who are only just finding out about such an amazing product, is everything that was in the KS able to be used in the game?
At some level, yes.
The Kingdom Death Game and its expansions (Monsters and Survivor Armor sets) are 100% usable in the game, obviously.
The various Pinups "count as" Survivors in the game, and may include a bonus game card; I'd rate them as 90% designed for looks / 10% shoehorned gameplay.
But really, everything looks beautiful; the only question is what it feels like when you play it.
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Post by: vegeta365
Thanks to you both. Now to look back over everything on the KS and see what I would like/can afford (given I have just moved house lol) and then see what I am able to buy right now after missing the KS 2 years ago. I know the box set is up at a good rate but not sure yet if the add one are available yet.
Any advice on that and where to look would be appreciated.
Thanks again.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
The box set is available for preorder, but I don't believe Adam is taking preorders for the expansions (target late Q4 or Q1 2016).
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Post by: vegeta365
After I posted I went on their website and that's what it looks like thanks.
I will get the box now and other bits as they are released.
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Post by: Alpharius
Got my stuff!
Got some questions, which can probably be answered by looking at the big pic of everything...
...someone got a link to that Big Pic Of Everything?
EDIT:
I think I found it!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
That's the $1.05M version - there is a "FINAL" version that shows the bonus White Speaker, and I think it also has the Lonely Tree and/or Slenderman.
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Post by: Alpharius
Good catch!
Anyone have that version they can share?
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Post by: BrookM
Damn it Alph! Soon everybody will have their fix but me!
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Post by: Alpharius
Thanks for that!
Looks like my initial shipment was 100% correct - with the added bonus of a Lioness Pinup I didn't order!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm looking forward to those Green Knights, myself.
____
@Alphy - consider to spoiler the $1.05M thing, given that it's not the final?
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Got an email myself today!
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Post by: vegeta365
It may be just because I am trying to look at the final version of the big pic of everything on my iPhone but the forum won't allow me to open up the pic bigger, and when I copy it to my photos and zoom in or just zoom in here it all distorts so I can't see it properly and can't pick out what most things are.
Any way to resolve this?
Thanks for any advice
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Post by: Mymearan
vegeta365 wrote:It may be just because I am trying to look at the final version of the big pic of everything on my iPhone but the forum won't allow me to open up the pic bigger, and when I copy it to my photos and zoom in or just zoom in here it all distorts so I can't see it properly and can't pick out what most things are.
Any way to resolve this?
Thanks for any advice
Just pinch and zoom directly on the page.
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Post by: vegeta365
That's what I meant by my message. When I do that the pic does zoom but the pic is all distorted.
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe go directly to the source?
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6669/kingdomdeathvfinal.jpg
Otherwise, sounds like maybe a "Nuts & Bolts" thread vs. a "Kingdom Death" thread?
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Post by: Dentry
Nothing here either.
At least there is no shortage of kickstarters to keep me entertained.
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Post by: DaveC
My wave 1 just arrived the tracking never activated. €22 customs/VAT and €7 handling fee on one of each promo and pin up and 60 base inserts. If that's all I have to pay I'll be very happy indeed
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Post by: LosesBadly
Well I think I just got my shipping notification, though I haven't gotten an email from Kingdom Death of the contents. The tracking is live already and has a shipping reference of "Survivors", with a whopping 22 lb ship weight.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
LosesBadly wrote:Well I think I just got my shipping notification, though I haven't gotten an email from Kingdom Death of the contents. The tracking is live already and has a shipping reference of "Survivors", with a whopping 22 lb ship weight.
Ditto. Unexpected shipping notification from UPS with a weight of 21lbs can only imply one thing!
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Post by: CPTPromotable
Yeah the kickstarter page and BGG are blowing up. Lots of people getting shipping confirmations for the core game. I hope I see mine soon too! But I'm a 2014 silver BF backer so I'm expecting I'm on the tail end
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Post by: Rainyday
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:LosesBadly wrote:Well I think I just got my shipping notification, though I haven't gotten an email from Kingdom Death of the contents. The tracking is live already and has a shipping reference of "Survivors", with a whopping 22 lb ship weight.
Ditto. Unexpected shipping notification from UPS with a weight of 21lbs can only imply one thing!
Same here, which is strange considering I haven't got my first wave of stuff yet. Not sure if I should be worried.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 CPTPromotable wrote:Yeah the kickstarter page and BGG are blowing up. Lots of people getting shipping confirmations for the core game.
Ooh... Want!!!
Is there any correlation with backer number?
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Post by: Alpharius
 Rainyday wrote:NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:LosesBadly wrote:Well I think I just got my shipping notification, though I haven't gotten an email from Kingdom Death of the contents. The tracking is live already and has a shipping reference of "Survivors", with a whopping 22 lb ship weight.
Ditto. Unexpected shipping notification from UPS with a weight of 21lbs can only imply one thing!
Same here, which is strange considering I haven't got my first wave of stuff yet. Not sure if I should be worried.
I don't think there's much to worry about as they are coming from different sources - so if you've received the 'main box' notification before your 'small rewards' notification, it should be OK for now.
Maybe?
Also - who is the 'sender' in all of these UPS notifications for the 'main box'?
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Post by: Rainyday
 Alpharius wrote:
Also - who is the 'sender' in all of these UPS notifications for the 'main box'?
It's listed as EZ Globe.
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Post by: Alpharius
I just checked - I got one of those too!
Huzzah!
Another 22lb. package on its way!
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Post by: Dentry
Alpharius wrote:We should probably try to keep the "delivery updates" to a minimum here in the KD: N&R thread.
My box is glorious. So many fine plastic miniatures to assemble and a seemingly amazing adventure to embark on.
Mmm. The smell of it all.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Well phoey. All I got was an OnTrac notice on my door. :(
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Post by: kilcin
I'm in the same boat! I get home last in the family so I had no idea there was a notice till I found it on the kitchen floor moments ago...
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Post by: Toronian
has any Australians received shipping notifications for wave 2 yet ? or is it still just USA getting them ?
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Post by: Baragash
Has anyone got a pic of the original t-shirt art?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Toronian wrote:has any Australians received shipping notifications for wave 2 yet ? or is it still just USA getting them ?
Just the USA so far their shipment was scheduled to arrive first (October 1st - October 15), and seems to have breezed through customs a lot faster than expected The shipments to the other fulfilment centres in the EU, Canada & Australia were due in later (October 15 - November 1st) so if we also get as lucky with customs (sadly unlikely) it will be another couple of weeks, and more likely a month or more sob
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Post by: PomWallaby
Wave 1 arrived in Cardiff, UK.
These should keep me occupied!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Mine just arrived too, very nice little kits
but I had to put in a ticket for a missing holiday nico (I know I'll get her, I'm just sad KD will have to waste more shipping costs)
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Starting in on KD:M, and really excited about my first mini. For those nay-sayers who've been complaining about plastic, gotta' say that I actually prefer painting them to resins. (A little tiny materials review)
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Post by: BrookM
I wish I'd know when stuff would be coming my way, I'm itching to get building and painting again.
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Post by: Absolutionis
For what it's worth, I just got my game today. It was quite a surprise considering I'm not a "King of Death" or "Resin Backer" tier.
Everything seems accounted for aside from the bonus White Speaker and Twilight Knight, which I assume will be in phase 3? Did anyone else not get their White Speaker and Twilight Knight along with the phase 2 core game?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Nobody should be getting White Speaker or Twilight Knight with their Wave 2 core games.
Everybody should be getting them as part of Wave 1, but some will be getting either/both of them as part of Wave 3.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
One of my few regrets is canceling my ~$900 pledge at the 11th hour :/
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Post by: CPTPromotable
@Johnhwang I need to check my survivor reward box but I definitely got my twilight knight. Don't believe I got the white speaker I think that's coming straight from poots
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Post by: Toronian
i just received a notification from auspost that is saying a parcel is on its way thats 9.2 kg i believe from pik pak
now i dont have any other parcels due yet (except for maybe dungeon saga) sooo maybe
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Post by: Cyporiean
Got my main box delivery notice for tomorrow.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
CPTPromotable wrote:@Johnhwang I need to check my survivor reward box but I definitely got my twilight knight. Don't believe I got the white speaker I think that's coming straight from poots
Oh? I thought Poots was mailing White Speaker (& Twilight Knight) in Wave 1. But maybe the TK was moved to Survivor Rewards for Survivor bakcers? I know my TK wasn't shipped with my White Speaker. *sigh* So much complexity...
On the plus side...
I GOT MY CORE BOX!
It's an awesome amount of stuff with a ton of minis. And what's cool is that it looks like the bonus TK and WS figure into the core game. Nice. 
Sadly, the shipping wasn't done with near the care of the game itself, as mine was shipped in a cut-down double-core packing box, with no padding or spacing.  As a result, the game box got damaged, my inner tray is torn in multiple places, and my rulebook got dinged. Gotta say, that was kinda disappointing for how nice everything should be.
Seeing all the sprues and tiny parts to be assembled kinda makes me wonder just what I was thinking when I ordered all of this stuff. 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 JohnHwangDD wrote: CPTPromotable wrote:@Johnhwang I need to check my survivor reward box but I definitely got my twilight knight. Don't believe I got the white speaker I think that's coming straight from poots
Oh? I thought Poots was mailing White Speaker (& Twilight Knight) in Wave 1. But maybe the TK was moved to Survivor Rewards for Survivor bakcers? I know my TK wasn't shipped with my White Speaker. *sigh* So much complexity...
Everybody should be getting the white speaker 'gift' with wave 1 (straight from Poots)
If you backed at survivor level your 'gift' twilight knight will be in wave 2 (from the shipment house) somewhere in the survivor box, I think
If you didn't get the survivor your 'gift' twilight knight will be in wave 1 (straight from Poots)
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Post by: chaos0xomega
So wait, for clarification, was there anything that was only available to kickstarter backers or no? Is anyone able to purchase all the minis and expansions?
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Post by: Rainyday
 Absolutionis wrote:
Everything seems accounted for aside from the bonus White Speaker and Twilight Knight, which I assume will be in phase 3? Did anyone else not get their White Speaker and Twilight Knight along with the phase 2 core game?
The twilight knight is in the backer bonus box. It's on a sprue with a few other minis including Snow and Aya so it's easy to miss.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
@Orlando - I didn't back Survivor, and I didn't get the TK in my Wave 1 stuff. I've emailed support.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
chaos0xomega wrote:So wait, for clarification, was there anything that was only available to kickstarter backers or no? Is anyone able to purchase all the minis and expansions?
The preorders (which were up for a while post gencon) have now closed so you can't get hold of anything without resorting to the secondary market, the plan appears to have the launch of the retail game around black Friday (get yourself on the mailing list here http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/products/kingdom-death-monster-preorder-special)
In terms of the KS exclusives the only game minis were Adam & Anna Survivors of Death. Everything else is intended to be released for sale in some way at some point
Of the non-gaming stuff the pinups will all hit the store at some point for general sale,
the 4 messengers and other specials like holiday nico will probably show up on special occasions (conventions and perhaps special days like Halloween, Xmas etc)
the collaborations with soda pop miniatures candy & cola will hit general release (as soda pop is putting the chibi twilight knight on general release)
The collaborartion with Studio Mcvey, Kara Black I'm not sure on, that might be KS exclusive
As to the expansions again they will hit release at some point, it could be at the same time as the main game, it could be more slowly over time, but everything should be released
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Post by: brrrmanza
Death is raining down upon us in Ohio!
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Post by: chaos0xomega
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:So wait, for clarification, was there anything that was only available to kickstarter backers or no? Is anyone able to purchase all the minis and expansions?
The preorders (which were up for a while post gencon) have now closed so you can't get hold of anything without resorting to the secondary market, the plan appears to have the launch of the retail game around black Friday (get yourself on the mailing list here http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/products/kingdom-death-monster-preorder-special)
In terms of the KS exclusives the only game minis were Adam & Anna Survivors of Death. Everything else is intended to be released for sale in some way at some point
Of the non-gaming stuff the pinups will all hit the store at some point for general sale,
the 4 messengers and other specials like holiday nico will probably show up on special occasions (conventions and perhaps special days like Halloween, Xmas etc)
the collaborations with soda pop miniatures candy & cola will hit general release (as soda pop is putting the chibi twilight knight on general release)
The collaborartion with Studio Mcvey, Kara Black I'm not sure on, that might be KS exclusive
As to the expansions again they will hit release at some point, it could be at the same time as the main game, it could be more slowly over time, but everything should be released
Thanks for the clarification. Again, wishing I didnt ditch my pledge at the last minute. If you happen to hear of anyone looking to sell their pledge (inclusive of expansions) let me know, I have a thread in the swap shop but no bites yet.
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Post by: BrookM
Hello Bakcer,
Thank you so much for your patience and support. Your Kingdom Death: Monster kickstarter small reward box is on its way!
Literally can't breathe right now.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
Holy CRAP is this thing huge!!!!
So excited to get my first game rolling! Initial impressions are really positive. Models are beautiful, art/rule book is gorgeous, presentation is spot on!
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
It's taken all my restraint not to start clipping things off sprues... working at home and the box is sitting there in the corner.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
My box was delivered to my parents house earlier today.
I'm not sure I want to open it as I have to work tomorrow...
...but I may not be able to resist.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Rainyday wrote: Absolutionis wrote:
Everything seems accounted for aside from the bonus White Speaker and Twilight Knight, which I assume will be in phase 3? Did anyone else not get their White Speaker and Twilight Knight along with the phase 2 core game?
The twilight knight is in the backer bonus box. It's on a sprue with a few other minis including Snow and Aya so it's easy to miss.
That's strange considering the non-Survivor-level backers should be getting Twilight Knight and White Speaker, but they won't be getting Snow and Aya. I'm a "The Game" backer (and a ton of expansions) and didn't even think I'd be getting anything Phase 1. For the record, I got the core game in hand already delivered, but no emails whatsoever.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I got the core game today but didn't receive anything for wave 1. I'm a survivor level. Should I have had a Wave 1 shipment?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Wave 1 started before Wave 2, and will likely finish after Wave 2.
Not all non-Surivivor backers got both TK and WS in Wave 1 - the first batch of Wave 1 only got WS. It's not clear whether NS TK will ship Wave 3 or at the end of Wave 1.
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Post by: greenskin lynn
started building my wave one stuff tonight, since the big box is due to arrive tomorrow
my god, and i thought knights models stuff was fiddly to build (damn messenger of humanity)
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
JohnHwangDD wrote:Wave 1 started before Wave 2, and will likely finish after Wave 2.
Not all non-Surivivor backers got both TK and WS in Wave 1 - the first batch of Wave 1 only got WS. It's not clear whether NS TK will ship Wave 3 or at the end of Wave 1.
I'm not sure if that is the case. I'll let you read my recent email chain with their support and see if you draw the same conclusions. (Most names will be changed. Bolding is mine.)
First, this: Anna, Sep 16, 13:51:
Hi [you]
The kingsmen do not come with bases, we'll have the white speaker and twilight knight in the post, asap and those will have bases. thanks for your patience.
-anna
Then, the very next day:
[Guy] Sep 17 at 11:37 AM
To
[email]
Heya [dude],
Sorry to hear about that. I'll toss you that White Speaker ASAP. As for the Twilight Knight, that'll come with your Survivor package.
All the best,
[ KD Guy]
[impressive title]
[mundane@address]
On 9/8/2015 2:31:02 PM, Adam Poots <admin@kingdom-death.com> wrote:
--
Adam Poots
Sent with Airmail
On September 8, 2015 at 2:28:27 PM, [someone] wrote:
Hello Mr. Poots,
My first wave rewards have arrived, but they were missing the White Speaker mini listed in my shipping email. The White Speaker is not on my packing list, and definitely not in the box. (There are also no bases in the box, although I do not know if those were supposed to be. The Kingsmen were included, and they are spectacular.) Also, I have seen no mention of the Twilight Knight, even though I do not have a Survivor Pledge. Is that coming in a separate box?
My Packing List slip number is Order# [big]
Customer # [number]
Ship Date: [numbers]
My address:
[real name
address]
Please let me know what the status is for my order.
Thank you,
Jabba-ja-abbadad
I am confused. Won't someone please write a guide for the perplexed?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
That doesn't surprise me. Logistics is a bit spotty.
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Post by: Baragash
The Facebook group is making me so jealous right now with sweet, sweet unboxing, assembly and gameplay comments
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Post by: Tamereth
My wave 1 pledge arrived this morning. Got hit by customs, only £3.50 as was only a few models but royal mail added a £8 handling fee because they can.
Have the EU boxes for the main game started shipping yet?
I have to say I was in a mind to Ebay it all, the long delays had taken my interest away from the game, but seeing the first models in hand I think I've changed my mind, they are beautiful.
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Post by: Rainyday
Got my first game in last night. Went pretty well, aside from 3 survivors getting killed by the tutorial lion.
The only problem now is keeping everything organized. The box holds sleeved cards just fine, but coming up with enough sleeves is a pain. I think I've exhausted my area's supply of FFG green sleeves. I'd like to sleeve the settlement events but I can't find sleeves in their size and I don't think they'd fit back in the box if I did. Also, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the board and manual. They're heavy and I'm not sure the card dividers will hold up their weight. I'm already carrying a box of minis with it, I don't really want to have to carry the book separately as well.
Oh well, logistical problems like that happen with any game with lots of parts. Doesn't detract from the game itself though. I'm going to try to get a campaign started on Saturday.
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Post by: Milkshaker
Hey guys, I read on the "By Lanterns Light (A Kingdom Death Group)" on facebook, that some people are missing cards (one specific example was someone who was missing an AI card from the screaming antilope deck). He found out by comparing 2 sets card by card.
Does anyone have a complete card list or the number of cards that should be in each deck/pack/card set?
With news like that I think it might be useful to compare numbers or card lists.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm waiting for an official inventory listing to go up.
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Post by: Alpharius
I thought there was one already?
But yes, that will be very helpful.
I suppose with a campaign this big, with a game with this many components, some mispack issues were almost inevitable...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
There was a listing earlier, but I don't know if that's what was actually produced as FINAL.
Also, want those build instructions...
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Its mind blowing to see this stuff selling on Ebay, and the people who are over paying. 2 Plastic Phoneix kits sell, same day, ones $29 and one for $75. Mind blown.
RULES QUESTION, which didnt make sense to me, from the tutorial of the lion fight it says you roll to to the lion and and wounds you remove a card off its AI deck and dont look at it. But then it goes on to say you gotta look at wound cards to see if they trigger on a crit or a fail....??? so what is it.
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Post by: Rainyday
Chopxsticks wrote:Its mind blowing to see this stuff selling on Ebay, and the people who are over paying. 2 Plastic Phoneix kits sell, same day, ones $29 and one for $75. Mind blown.
RULES QUESTION, which didnt make sense to me, from the tutorial of the lion fight it says you roll to to the lion and and wounds you remove a card off its AI deck and dont look at it. But then it goes on to say you gotta look at wound cards to see if they trigger on a crit or a fail....??? so what is it.
You have to look at the Hit Location card to see if it has a critical or failure condition.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Great News!
Creator Kingdom Death 2 minutes ago
AU & CAN core games & survivor levels should be on their way. EU Boat expected to arrive today. Still working on Wave 1 (small rewards). Small rewards with Armor Kits & Resins start to ship out next week.
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Post by: Triple9
Chopxsticks wrote:Its mind blowing to see this stuff selling on Ebay, and the people who are over paying. 2 Plastic Phoneix kits sell, same day, ones $29 and one for $75. Mind blown.
Yep, I listed my survivor extras box with a buy it now of $150 and it sold in about 4 hours. The game contents are going to keep me busy for quite a while that the extras would just sit around and take up space. There's something about KD and CMON that people will drop a lot of cash on the extra plastic.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
A Monster arrived in Tennessee today if anyone's keeping track of progress.
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Post by: DaveC
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Great News!
Creator Kingdom Death 2 minutes ago
AU & CAN core games & survivor levels should be on their way. EU Boat expected to arrive today. Still working on Wave 1 (small rewards). Small rewards with Armor Kits & Resins start to ship out next week.
Excellent so maybe a week or 2 away from EU shipping depending on customs there's no picking here just resend the boxes. Hopefully tracking goes out before delivery as I'd like to be home to receive this, I think the post room in work are getting sick of me having large parcels redelivered there.
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Post by: BrookM
Oh. My. Glob.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
DaveC wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Great News!
Creator Kingdom Death 2 minutes ago
AU & CAN core games & survivor levels should be on their way. EU Boat expected to arrive today. Still working on Wave 1 (small rewards). Small rewards with Armor Kits & Resins start to ship out next week.
Excellent so maybe a week or 2 away from EU shipping depending on customs there's no picking here just resend the boxes. Hopefully tracking goes out before delivery as I'd like to be home to receive this, I think the post room in work are getting sick of me having large parcels redelivered there.
and unless you have a big car you wouldn't want to be carrying a survivor reward home from work either (even worse if you walk or go by public transport)
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Post by: BrookM
How many KG's is the box again?
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Post by: Vash108
Mine is at my house waiting for me when I get done traveling for work. I am pretty excited.
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Post by: DaveC
22lbs = 9.98KG
Even more awkward Orlando I cycle to work and only drive in when I absolutely have to as it takes 10 to 15 minutes longer and I hate sitting in traffic. No way it will fit on the bike.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Okay, so, I'm having trouble with the starter minis... the middle guy here, in particular:
Is the dangly cloth bit on a different sprue, or what? I was pretty careful clipping so don't think I lost a bit or anything...
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Post by: cincydooley
I had that exact same trouble. It seems to just not fit very well. I think I'm going end up green stuffing over it.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
Aha! That picture actually solved my problem! Couldnt figure out for the life of me where the two "extra" cloth bits
All of the bits for each mini are on the same sprue. They all share a letter/number in common, so carefully look at the fine print on the sprue to help you along. For example, The Butcher is "F".
As far as its assembly, it does fit, but doesn't "lock in" like the arms and other stuff does. There is a very particular way that the curves mesh. Just takes a little bit of finesse to make it right!
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Post by: BrookM
Well gak, it's a good thing we're getting it delivered to our home. 10KG..
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Post by: greenskin lynn
it......it has arrived......and i'm not touching much of it til i have some build guides, i've waited to long to feth stuff up on accident
well, outside of some of the survivor lvl reward stuff, the kingsmen don't seem to hellish to build
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Post by: Ramos Asura
 greenskin lynn wrote:it......it has arrived......and i'm not touching much of it til i have some build guides, i've waited to long to feth stuff up on accident
well, outside of some of the survivor lvl reward stuff, the kingsmen don't seem to hellish to build
At least as far as the starter survivors and the Lion go, it's relatively straight forward (save for the previously mentioned bit of Beardy's cloth). So you know... Iffin you were REALLY wanting to get moving on a game you could conceivably start
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Post by: greenskin lynn
 Ramos Asura wrote: greenskin lynn wrote:it......it has arrived......and i'm not touching much of it til i have some build guides, i've waited to long to feth stuff up on accident
well, outside of some of the survivor lvl reward stuff, the kingsmen don't seem to hellish to build
At least as far as the starter survivors and the Lion go, it's relatively straight forward (save for the previously mentioned bit of Beardy's cloth). So you know... Iffin you were REALLY wanting to get moving on a game you could conceivably start
i think i might be slightly tramatized by looking at the phoenix sprue first, lol
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Post by: RivenSkull
I arrived home and a black monolith appeared before me. No email that it was sent.
Now it's just waiting for the second wave for the add-ons.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I got *THE* email.
Tomorrow is my due date.
Almost at the same time as my niece's due date- I guess she wanted to arrive on the scene in time for Kingdom Death to arrive (even though she was *SUPPOSED* to be born on the same day as my son).
Now to clear off the two half built Wrath of Kings starters, Trollblood cavalry, Trollkin Sorcerers, Kriel Warriors, Firebreathers, about two dozen Confrontation orcs and dwarfs, a half dozen large Mierce figures, and a myriad of many other figures laying on my dining room table waiting to be finished getting put together.
Then maybe I can play it.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Well, just played our first two hunts, and damn is it nice. Bookkeeping-heavy, but everything else is great. Only one rule we needed to guess on, and we decided we were looking at it too literally 'cause otherwise it would have looped unreasonably nastily (esp. for something that early).
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Post by: Absolutionis
Has anyone successfully assembled the female miniature on the Screaming Antelope sprue? I can't seem to figure out what goes in the hole in the back.
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Post by: Baragash
Absolutionis wrote:Has anyone successfully assembled the female miniature on the Screaming Antelope sprue? I can't seem to figure out what goes in the hole in the back.
You phrased the question like that......in a Kingdom Death thread?!
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Post by: Absolutionis
I tried, I edited, I tried again. Gave up. Phrased it best I could. It's a bit of a spoilery thing. Decided to go with the spoiler-resistant suggestive wording.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
If that's the female 'intimacy' figure the FB group are suggesting there's a really small feather (2-3mm) on the sprue that looks like it fits,
not seen a picture yet
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Post by: Rainyday
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:If that's the female 'intimacy' figure the FB group are suggesting there's a really small feather (2-3mm) on the sprue that looks like it fits,
not seen a picture yet
I'm pretty sure the feather thing is a hair ornament that goes in the hole on top of her head (see the intimacy event page in the book). I couldn't figure out what went in the hole on the back either, and I didn't have any spare pieces left after assembling them.
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Post by: BrookM
Well, here's hoping they'll upload proper instructions soon then.
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Post by: Alpharius
Has there been any further word on this potential problem?
Milkshaker wrote:Hey guys, I read on the "By Lanterns Light (A Kingdom Death Group)" on facebook, that some people are missing cards (one specific example was someone who was missing an AI card from the screaming antilope deck). He found out by comparing 2 sets card by card.
Does anyone have a complete card list or the number of cards that should be in each deck/pack/card set?
With news like that I think it might be useful to compare numbers or card lists.
Has their been any Official Word about it?
Or an Official Inventory List?
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
The few miniatures I have assembled so far have been a pain in the ass, and have very visible joins and a few little gaps. Makes me really appreciate the skill that must go into the design of the Games Workshop plastic kits.
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Post by: RivenSkull
Alpharius wrote:Has there been any further word on this potential problem?
Milkshaker wrote:Hey guys, I read on the "By Lanterns Light (A Kingdom Death Group)" on facebook, that some people are missing cards (one specific example was someone who was missing an AI card from the screaming antilope deck). He found out by comparing 2 sets card by card.
Does anyone have a complete card list or the number of cards that should be in each deck/pack/card set?
With news like that I think it might be useful to compare numbers or card lists.
Has their been any Official Word about it?
Or an Official Inventory List?
This is why I'm waiting to open anything beyond the main box. With all of those cards and no way of knowing if I'm missing one, I want to wait to have something official to compare them to.
Same with assembly. Instructions would be nice.
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Post by: Alpharius
Same here - though I'm also not opening my main box as I'm still wavering on whether or not to sell it all off, including expansions...
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Post by: Ramos Asura
So discovery I made- the dividers for the big cards (like the AI and whatnot) have inventory lists on them. That can at least get you started on checking inventory
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Post by: Triple9
Albino Squirrel wrote:The few miniatures I have assembled so far have been a pain in the ass, and have very visible joins and a few little gaps. Makes me really appreciate the skill that must go into the design of the Games Workshop plastic kits.
I assembled just the white lion and 4 starting survivors and have to say I'm impressed with the detail, but less impressed with the joins, especially the back/hind quarters of the Lion. Read through the rules last night and I think this one is going to be a keeper.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
BrookM wrote:Well, here's hoping they'll upload proper instructions soon then.
Yeah. The Phoenix, in particular...
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Post by: Rainyday
I'm not doing those hands without instructions.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Rules question
So the white lion mauled I think it was, someone in my group hitting them with a Damage 3 attack, in a location that already had a light wound. So 1 damage to heavy wound, then next point of damage he rolled on the sever injury chart. Should he have had to roll a 2nd time on the same sever injury chart?
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Chopxsticks wrote:Rules question
So the white lion mauled I think it was, someone in my group hitting them with a Damage 3 attack, in a location that already had a light wound. So 1 damage to heavy wound, then next point of damage he rolled on the sever injury chart. Should he have had to roll a 2nd time on the same sever injury chart?
According the GenCon demos I watched, yes. The game doesn't play around with the murder. :-p
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Post by: Triple9
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Chopxsticks wrote:Rules question
So the white lion mauled I think it was, someone in my group hitting them with a Damage 3 attack, in a location that already had a light wound. So 1 damage to heavy wound, then next point of damage he rolled on the sever injury chart. Should he have had to roll a 2nd time on the same sever injury chart?
According the GenCon demos I watched, yes. The game doesn't play around with the murder. :-p
I don't believe that's right. On page 29 under Severe Injuries and Death (Bold in original text as well)
Roll once on the table each time the hit location is damaged even if the amount of damage is over 1.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
Yes, thats the way. As soon as damage covers all boxes, all remaining damage for the attack is reduced to a single roll on the Severe Injuries table. Now in the same line of questions, heres one for you guys. When an attack is speed 2 (basic lion claw, for example) and it wounds the chest twice- each time for one damage- do I roll twice on the severe chart if the boxes are already filled? I figured two hits to the chest= two rolls on the chart. Or is it just one roll? ============== My brothers and I got our game going and got into the first actual Lion Hunt after the tutorial... Needless to say, we got chewed up quite a bit. Terrible dice meant that we couldnt wound it to save our lives! Two survivors took brain damage from its roar (very low sanity survivors...) and ended up getting disorders. One, who later got a broken rib and was disemboweled, became terrified of monsters and would take extra brain damage from intimidation. The other... he became immortal xD Eventually we managed to kill it... EVENTUALLY. Still totally loving it, though
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Post by: Triple9
My understanding is hits are resolved independently (order at survivor discretion), so under that circumstance, it would be 2 rolls on the table.
I assembled my prologue minis and got the box all set up. Was hoping to get my first game in tonight, but life got in the way. Hopefully tomorrow night.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
We actually faired rather well, one guy took the brunt of evwrything and ended up dead. But throwing those founding stones for the auto hit and auto crit is insane. Right off the bat our first crit was the one that spills the lions entrails and he has to roll at the start of his turns and could suffer a wound. Also got alot of extra resources from the crits
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Post by: Triple9
Forgot to mention I got my Wave 1 shipment notice today (just White Speaker, Beyond the Wall Resin and T-Shirt). Looks like they're in the final stretches now.
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Well, that worked out well. Life suddenly got out of the way so I was able to do the first showdown and settlement tonight. Decided to name my survivors Benny, Bjorn, Agnetha and Frida, so of course my settlement is named Sweden.
I really like the tension of the showdowns. I thought I was cruising to an easy win and then a missed damage opportunity on the final AI card left one guy with 2 severe wounds and 4 blood tokens with only 1 survivor left to activate for the round. Had to sit there and figure out if I wanted to use a founder stone for the autokill or take a chance on missing his attacks and giving the lion another activation. Got lucky and killed the lion without losing anyone or taking any permanent effects and just one founder stone used, but I can already see how many tough decisions are going to be a part of this game.
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Post by: Dentry
My small rewards are / will be on their way! Very glad about that.
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Post by: endtransmission
 RivenSkull wrote:
This is why I'm waiting to open anything beyond the main box. With all of those cards and no way of knowing if I'm missing one, I want to wait to have something official to compare them to.
Some kind soul has created a document listing all the components and cards that were in his set, using the checklists on the dividers for the cards where available
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kffLfd9kNdYN6NgKjKrfe8Y6m-35hfiBNTa_WteEVNU/pubhtml
There's also someone reporting that their rulebook is missing a load of pages (pages 63-93). Has anyone that has theirs yet had the same issue?
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Post by: Piperi
My rulebook was missing those pages as well. I just received a replacement rulebook with my Wave 1 shipping that included my resin models.
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Post by: Alpharius
This is listed on the KD: M sale page:
Kingdom Death: Monster Contents
1 x Rule Book - 11" x 8.5" 223 Pages.
1 x Showdown Board - 2' x 3' ( Heavy 3MM Game Board Matte )
1 x Hunt / Settlement Board ( Heavy Cardstock )
1 x Token Sheet - 111 Tokens
1 x Terrain Token Sheet - 31 Terrain Tiles
1 x Monster Controller Panel
4 x Gear Grids
1 x Character Record Sheet Pad ( 50 Sheets, 6"x6")
1 x Settlement Record Sheet Pad ( 50 Sheets, 8.5" x 11")
5 x 10 sided black Kingdom Death dice
1 x 10 sided white Kingdom Death dice
4 x 6 sided Hit location dice
Kingdom Death: Monster Contents - Miniatures
- 4 x Starting Survivors
- 1 x White Lion
- 1 x Butcher
- 1 x Screaming Antelope
- 1 x Kings Man
- 1 x The Hand
- 1 x Phoenix
- 1 x Watcher
- 1 x Unarmored Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x Rawhide Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x Leather Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x White Lion Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x Screaming Fur Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x Phoenix Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 1 x Lantern Armor Kit (Creates 4 Survivors.)
- 2 x Bonus Mystery Miniatures
- 4 x Starting Survivor Heads for Armor Kit customization
- 9 x Assorted Survivor Heads for Armor Kit customization
- 150+ Assorted Gear for Armor Kit customization (Every weapon in the game represented!)
- 10+ Masks
- 10 x Stone Face Base Inserts
- 34 x Kingdom Death 30mm Base + Insert
- 6 x Kingdom Death 50mm Base + Insert
- 1 x Kingdom Death 100mm Base + Insert
Kingdom Death: Monster Contents - Cards (3.5")
- 17 x Card Dividers
- 1 x White Lion Data Card
- 25 x White Lion AI Cards
- 23 x White Lion HL Cards
- 19 x White Lion Resource Cards
- 8 x White Lion Hunt Event Cards
- 1 x Screaming Antelope Data Card
- 30 x Screaming Antelope AI Cards
- 22 x Screaming Antelope HL Cards
- 16 x Screaming Antelope Resource Cards
- 9 x Screaming Antelope Hunt Event Cards
- 1 x Phoenix Data Card
- 31 x Phoenix AI Cards
- 22 x Phoenix HL Cards
- 24 x Phoenix Resource Cards
- 9 x Phoenix Hunt Event Cards
- 1 x Butcher Data Card
- 30 x Butcher AI Cards
- 15 x Butcher HL Cards
- 1 x King's Man
- 30 x King's Man AI Cards
- 21 x King's Man HL Cards
- 1 x The Hand Data Card
- 23 x The Hand AI Cards
- 17 x The Hand HL Cards
- 1 x Watcher Data Cards
- 23 x Watcher AI Cards
- 25 x Watcher HL Cards
- 12 x Basic Hunt Event Cards
- 2 x Special Hunt Event Cards
- 21 x Terrain Cards
- 6 x Armor Set Cards
- 17 x Universal Monster Cards
- 12 x Weapon Specialization Cards
- 6 x Secret Fighting Arts Cards
- 20 x Fighting Arts Cards
- 8 x Vermin Cards
- 21 x Strange Resource Cards
- 21 x Basic Resource Cards
- 23 x Disorder Cards
- 41 x Innovation Cards
- 12 x Starting Gear Cards
- 21 x Bone Smith Gear Cards
- 24 x Skinnery Gear Cards
- 15 x Organ Grinder Gear Cards
- 21 x Leather Worker Gear Cards
- 22 x Barber Surgeon Gear Cards
- 46 x Catarium Gear Cards
- 40 x Stone Circle Gear Cards
- 20 x Rare Gear Cards
- 7 x Mask Maker Gear Cards
- 39 x Blacksmith Gear Cards
- 21 x Settlement Event Cards ( 3.5" x 5.75")
- 13 x Settlement Location Cards ( 8" x 4")
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Post by: Bromsy
Got mine, assembled the starter minis and tried a test game. Pretty brutal.
The initial flurry of stones netted me some extra resources and the effect that made the lion lose one movement - which as it turns out saved the game for me.
The lion did some damage, and the next round my last attack was one of my survivors biting off the lion's penis. The rest of the match was the lion dragging the person around gnawing on her until she died while my other survivors chased the lion, eventually killing it.
Got a fair number of crits and some nice extra resources.
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Post by: Dentry
Ah, thanks for the update, Alpharius. That list is going to come in handy when I can get some time to sort through all my stuff. Feels like every time I sit down to go through it all someone shows up at my door or some order of business comes up and takes up my whole day. Very frustrating!
 Bromsy wrote:Got mine, assembled the starter minis and tried a test game. Pretty brutal.
The initial flurry of stones netted me some extra resources and the effect that made the lion lose one movement - which as it turns out saved the game for me.
The lion did some damage, and the next round my last attack was one of my survivors biting off the lion's penis. The rest of the match was the lion dragging the person around gnawing on her until she died while my other survivors chased the lion, eventually killing it.
Got a fair number of crits and some nice extra resources.
That sounds like a fun evening.
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Post by: SpectreHorseman
As far as modeling goes, is anyone planning on making all the parts interchangeable? I think I have figured out a way. I'm using magnets for torso to legs and also torso to arms, but then I'm pinning the heads and hands with small wire cut from wire cloth. I cant recall the magnet diameter at the moment, but the drill bit that it fits into the hole is 5/64.
edit: just did some research and found the size I had ordered. It is 1/16 Diamter x 1/32 Thickness. Hole drilled with a 5/64 drill bit. Sometimes it fits snug, other times it needs a dab of superglue. I need to get me some plastic tweezer though cause its a bitch trying to put the magnet in the hole full of superglue using metal instruments, lol.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Some Rules questions!
So when one of your people cant go out on the next hunt and you have to create a new character do they gain a founding stone as a new character?
We just encountered the White lion mood Ground fighting, its the most OP thing we have encountered... and a founding stone would have been real handy.
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Post by: Triple9
Only the original 4 get a founding stone, so use them wisely.
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Post by: primalexile
Save those founding stones, it may be tempting to throw them early but you will regret it down the line.
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Post by: 455_PWR
I have a deluxe survivor pledge with one of every add on (resin and plastic). I received the base game with the survivor pledge box so far.
I have seen multiple people putting their promos (messenger minis, kara black, candy/cola, pinups) on ebay already. Were the resins and plastic extras being shipped at the same time or are we getting these later? Should I be worried if I haven't received them yet?
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Post by: Krinsath
 455_PWR wrote:I have a deluxe survivor pledge with one of every add on (resin and plastic). I received the base game with the survivor pledge box so far.
I have seen multiple people putting their promos (messenger minis, kara black, candy/cola, pinups) on ebay already. Were the resins and plastic extras being shipped at the same time or are we getting these later? Should I be worried if I haven't received them yet?
No you should not.
If you ordered resins you're at the end of the "wave 1" queue along with people who ordered extra armor kits. That "wave" of orders are the most complex and being packed by Adam and his staff in NY. They began with the simplest orders (just plastic promos to work out the kinks in the process), then the international orders (as those would spend longer in transit) and then onto the larger and more complex orders as mentioned. The core box was "wave 2" which started after wave 1 but because they were dramatically simpler orders to process (nearly "put in box, slap on label" simplicity) they were dispatched faster, hence the confusing naming.
I suspect Adam was not expecting the speed at which things happened with wave 2 as his estimates were still another couple of weeks before shipping. That they're not done with Wave 1 says that their own estimates were a bit too optimistic. I do hope they finish up this week though, as I too am waiting for my own package. Lots of armor kits, and yet somehow I worry I may need more...
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Anybody know what base sizes the Lion is on? I'm pretty sure it's 50mm, but I'm not 100%.
And the Butcher, I'm assuming he is 30mm?
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Post by: Krinsath
 gunslingerpro wrote:Anybody know what base sizes the Lion is on? I'm pretty sure it's 50mm, but I'm not 100%.
And the Butcher, I'm assuming he is 30mm?
Page 49 of the rulebook says that all monsters are 50mm except the Phoenix which is 100mm.
However, I don't see 5 50mm bases in the Survivor rewards for the King's Men so I'm not sure if that's just "you only need the one for the game on the 50mm" or something else.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Krinsath wrote: gunslingerpro wrote:Anybody know what base sizes the Lion is on? I'm pretty sure it's 50mm, but I'm not 100%.
And the Butcher, I'm assuming he is 30mm?
Page 49 of the rulebook says that all monsters are 50mm except the Phoenix which is 100mm.
However, I don't see 5 50mm bases in the Survivor rewards for the King's Men so I'm not sure if that's just "you only need the one for the game on the 50mm" or something else.
See I read that as well, but when I look at the box contents on the Kickstarter page, it appears all the human monsters are on the 30mm bases:
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Post by: BrookM
Has there been any more news on the ship finally reaching the EU?
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Post by: Krinsath
gunslingerpro wrote:
See I read that as well, but when I look at the box contents on the Kickstarter page, it appears all the human monsters are on the 30mm bases
I did the same thing and given their size, I don't think they would look odd for display. However, for gameplay purposes when given the choice between images of the prototype or the final printed rulebook, I'm going to side with the latter as being the authority. That there are 6 monsters that would use the 50mm base (i.e. - not the Phoenix) and 6 50mm bases is also a sign that this is the case.
The red herring is the King's Men we got as bonuses since I at least didn't get 5 50mm bases for them.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Krinsath wrote: gunslingerpro wrote:
See I read that as well, but when I look at the box contents on the Kickstarter page, it appears all the human monsters are on the 30mm bases
I did the same thing and given their size, I don't think they would look odd for display. However, for gameplay purposes when given the choice between images of the prototype or the final printed rulebook, I'm going to side with the latter as being the authority. That there are 6 monsters that would use the 50mm base (i.e. - not the Phoenix) and 6 50mm bases is also a sign that this is the case.
The red herring is the King's Men we got as bonuses since I at least didn't get 5 50mm bases for them.
Nor did I. I suppose it makes more sense for them to be large since it allows more base contact points for survivor attacks, It just seemed odd to me to put a King's Hand on that giant base
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Post by: Absolutionis
That image also has the Phoenix on a 50mm base, so it's not necessarily reliable.
I found a video from the preview at GenCon which shows the King's Man and The Hand in a quick view. They're on 50mm bases:
Around the 41:20 mark in this video:
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Well now I didn't bring the right bases to finish the modeling I was going to do during night shift *grumble grumble grumble*
Thanks for the quick responses guys!
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Post by: Dujek
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on the models as i've put together a variety so far.
As a general rule before getting into specifics, i'm pleased with the mold lines or lack thereof. I haven't found many and those I did see were very easily cleaned up.
Most disappointing was the White Lion. I like the overall feel of it, it's a great 'creepy' lion-ish monster, but have some issues with the pieces. It would have taken more work and patience than I had at the time to fix the seams around its face, and the rear pieces simply cannot be put together together without leaving large gaps, some in visible places. Good news is the gaps will be easy to fix with green stuff later (although I do not think I am going to worry about green stuffing the gap through the reproductive bits on the bottom).
The Twilight Knight went together easily and looks good. The definition and general quality is lower than everything else I've gotten, which is odd. I seem to recall that this was his first plastic 'test' piece so maybe that explains it.
I thought the pinup regeneration suit would have awfully obvious gaps, given the skintight nature of the suit itself, but was pleasantly surprised. It also introduced me to the fact that the sprue designers are not afraid to break things into itty bitty pieces. Her head / hair were separate, but the sculpt and careful assembly hides the seam well. A seam I expected to be awful - right between her butt cheeks and along part of her back - actually is invisible once assembled. Minor seams can be found in the front of the model - again, many tiny pieces - but overall this was the first mini that I was really happy with how it looked.
Lastly, the Butcher. Ye gods the tiny pieces. One piece of advice to those of you who haven't put him together yet - build and attach the legs to him before putting his 2-part cloak on. My ideal order, in hindsight, would be attaching the legs, then the multiple itty-bitty shoulderguard bits, then the cloak pieces, the arms, and the 3 head bits. I was tremendously impressed with the detail on the pieces and with how well this one went together. A few seams are visible on the final product but nothing a paintjob can't cover. The shoulderguard and head, while both being made of some pretty darned tiny bits, are worth the effort to get juuust right. Once finished he is a real mean looking figure with tons of detail and he looks spectacular whether you're looking at him from table height or right up close. He has gotten me really excited to work on more of the models.
Overall after those assemblies and looking through the sprues I'm very happy with what I got. The game itself looks like a lot of fun once I have a chance to get to it, but really the modeling aspect alone is going to give me hours and hours of enjoyment.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Eugh... just finished the phoenix. It was like putting together the worst puzzle ever: nothing but tiny little things that are all the same, and do they fit here? Or here?
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Have to agree. I put the shoulder and head on before attaching the cloak on the Butcher, and he came out great.
I'm having issues with the base survivors having large gaps. I also tried putting them on the stone face bases without pinning, which was foolish.
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Post by: Krinsath
Probably assembled about a dozen of the models and did reasonably well I think. I had to refer to images online for some to get an idea of where parts went but other than that they go together pretty well.
Then I looked at the Phoenix and even though I have two of them, this was my reaction to doing it without directions:
So props for getting through it spiralingcadaver!
Overall I'm quite happy with what I've gotten and I actually want more armor kits. Granted, some of that enthusiasm may diminish when I finally get all the extras I did order... /pine for Wave 1 some more
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Post by: Triple9
gunslingerpro wrote:
I also tried putting them on the stone face bases without pinning, which was foolish.
Wait until you get to the Antelope. Automatically Appended Next Post: This could be the most addictive boardgame I've ever played. I find myself strategizing when not playing and I'm spending a lot more time playing it than I ever thought I would. It's nice to see how much of the past 3 years Poots has put into playtesting.
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Post by: cincydooley
Anyone press mould one of the plastic face bases yet so you can create some bases with broke faces, terrain, etc?
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Post by: Absolutionis
For people assembling the Phoenix, there is a nice guide by a user named "Steve" on Kickstarter comments:
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Absolutionis wrote:For people assembling the Phoenix, there is a nice guide by a user named "Steve" on Kickstarter comments:
Somebody get this man's address. I need to mail him a six pack.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 cincydooley wrote:Anyone press mould one of the plastic face bases yet so you can create some bases with broke faces, terrain, etc?
Pretty close, these bases are all latex molds w/ plaster- broke them up a bit. Link.
I needed to fix a fair number of noses since they're tiny, but didn't really care if a lot looked broken since they're stone, etc.
I'm also sculpting a full terrain set of my own- have a head and a few plates of faces... if it goes well, I already like the game enough that I'd move on to a table.
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Post by: cincydooley
Really like what you did with those bases. I shall steal.
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Post by: Baragash
gunslingerpro wrote:I also tried putting them on the stone face bases without pinning, which was foolish.
I saw a comment somewhere (Earlier in this topic? Facebook?) that filing or clipping down the nose where you want the foot really helps.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Baragash wrote: gunslingerpro wrote:I also tried putting them on the stone face bases without pinning, which was foolish.
I saw a comment somewhere (Earlier in this topic? Facebook?) that filing or clipping down the nose where you want the foot really helps.
Yeah, it may be worth carving out spots for the feet in general.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
BrookM wrote:Has there been any more news on the ship finally reaching the EU?
The ship arrived on the 24th,
but reading between the lines of Adams recent comments it seems like customs may have decided it needs a more detailed look than the shipments to the US or Canada got (sigh) so I'd imagine it will be a few weeks more before the stuff hits the shipping company
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Post by: Sirius42
Got my Wave 1, loving the models, so much so that i'm going to get this out here now, anyone who might have over ordered and wants to part with a gorm expansion, spidicules expansion, sunstalker expansion, lonley tree expansion or slenderman expansion, and any face base inserts, PM me
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Post by: SpectreHorseman
Man this game is tough. I lost all 4 Survivors on the 1st hunt after the 1st story.
Good to see you over here @spiralingcadaver (from the wyrd forums)
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Thanks, Cincy- feel free! if you've got any advice on how to get those nose bubbles out, I'm all ears, though- that's the only part I was really having trouble with...
Spectre, hey, nice seeing you, too!
Oh, and yeah, decided I like things enough that I'm also interested in the few expansions I didn't claim- anyone with a gorm, tree, or lion god, I'm interested in trading. Maybe pinups, too.
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Post by: Triple9
SpectreHorseman wrote:Man this game is tough. I lost all 4 Survivors on the 1st hunt after the 1st story.
Good to see you over here @spiralingcadaver (from the wyrd forums)
This game is exceptionally unforgiving if you make a mistake (or just have a string of bad luck), but also requires you to capitalize on every lucky roll the game gives you. I'm finding it extremely difficult to keep from taking the periodic mulligan.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
The high difficulty is kind of what I had anticipated. I'm wondering to what extent I should "easy mode" the game. The business of creating new settlements & characters will get old if we don't have electronic sheets.
Hint, hint, Adam.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Triple9 wrote:This game is exceptionally unforgiving if you make a mistake (or just have a string of bad luck), but also requires you to capitalize on every lucky roll the game gives you. I'm finding it extremely difficult to keep from taking the periodic mulligan.
We've instituted a house rule after a string of bad luck involved 9 of our survivors dying to random events over 2 or 3 years.
You can now spend all survival (min 2) to prevent death to random event.
It means that new survivors and returning ones stretched to their limit still die, but it does prevent that survivor with 5 survival from coming back from a good fight and then stubbing his toe to death on a 1 or whatever.
So far, it's felt like a good compromise where things are lethal, but, like in combat, you have a chance to "dodge" it.
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Post by: Absolutionis
The big point to the game is that survivors are very mortal. Your 'lives' are the people within the settlement. Sure you can have a single survivor and get really attached to them, but your settlement is what is meant to go on.
Plus, your items carry over between characters (barring special circumstances). Sometimes, if you become unreasonably crippled, it's better to retire and just make another character from the "life pool". Also form tons of babbies when you can.
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Post by: Dentry
JohnHwangDD wrote:The high difficulty is kind of what I had anticipated. I'm wondering to what extent I should "easy mode" the game. The business of creating new settlements & characters will get old if we don't have electronic sheets.
Hint, hint, Adam.
There's always the unofficial character sheet: here
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Absolutionis wrote:The big point to the game is that survivors are very mortal. Your 'lives' are the people within the settlement. Sure you can have a single survivor and get really attached to them, but your settlement is what is meant to go on.
Plus, your items carry over between characters (barring special circumstances). Sometimes, if you become unreasonably crippled, it's better to retire and just make another character from the "life pool". Also form tons of babbies when you can.
Yeah, we've definitely learned to consider population as a resource, but going through a run of losing 2 survivors to actual fights but 9 to random events was pretty frustrating. We were doing decently well, except the part where we couldn't maintain a population because of random.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Well, they sent me the white speaker and twilight knight, but then they accidentally sent me a second white speaker. Should I contact them about sending it back, or just not bother?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Dentry wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:The high difficulty is kind of what I had anticipated. I'm wondering to what extent I should "easy mode" the game. The business of creating new settlements & characters will get old if we don't have electronic sheets.
Hint, hint, Adam.
There's always the unofficial character sheet: here
Thank you
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Post by: SpectreHorseman
Yes, thank you for that electronic survivor sheet.
I finished painting up my Starting survivors. I decided to go with a clean look on the base, to fit the "less is more" overall look of the game. I added the colors to differentiate among the players, in classic board game style.
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Post by: cincydooley
PS, I hate the Watcher model at this point.
The build.kingdomdeath.com site really needs to go up. It should have been up before anything was delivered.
its just damn near impossible to figure out where some of these pieces go without instruction.
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Post by: SpectreHorseman
cincydooley wrote:PS, I hate the Watcher model at this point.
The build.kingdomdeath.com site really needs to go up. It should have been up before anything was delivered.
its just damn near impossible to figure out where some of these pieces go without instruction.
I agree. I haven't even bothered with them yet, but we are getting close in the campaign to need the models.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
 spiralingcadaver wrote:Triple9 wrote:This game is exceptionally unforgiving if you make a mistake (or just have a string of bad luck), but also requires you to capitalize on every lucky roll the game gives you. I'm finding it extremely difficult to keep from taking the periodic mulligan.
We've instituted a house rule after a string of bad luck involved 9 of our survivors dying to random events over 2 or 3 years.
You can now spend all survival (min 2) to prevent death to random event.
It means that new survivors and returning ones stretched to their limit still die, but it does prevent that survivor with 5 survival from coming back from a good fight and then stubbing his toe to death on a 1 or whatever.
So far, it's felt like a good compromise where things are lethal, but, like in combat, you have a chance to "dodge" it.
I like this idea very much!
There have been some things that just leave me going what the F...
I feel even after preparing and selecting things to mitigate problems, none of it matters as its all random dice rolls and you will lose everything.
EDIT: Also to add to the discussion of the random mulligan, this game is to damn long. Im not saying I dislike it, but for the average joe, who only has a game night once a week for a moderate amount of time (4-5 hours) It feels very important to me and my group that we exercise that kind of leeway to assure we even get a chance to finish this.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
Yeah, Ive been seeing that a lot lately saying that the Random Events will lose you the game faster than any monster you come up against and that there's not much to be done to prevent or mitigate them and that worries me.
I'm definitely not as sure about the game now as I was at Gencon.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Yeah, in re-reading through the rulebook, those d10 tables seem really nasty, for no obvious reason. A lot of those results reduce population and BAM!, that's it. Unless you can defeat a pretty badass fighter.
It seems to me that all of these random tables might be a roll 2d10, pick your favorite. Not re-roll if you dislike the result, but instead roll 2, see both possible results, and then pick the most favorable / least unfavorable.
Sure, 1% of the time, you get the Settlement-destroying "1" result, but most of the time, you should do OK to not have to keep starting over.
Even if the intent is to be Dwarf Fortress hard, I'm not sure that works for a RPG. Most GMs save TPKs for gross stupidity, rather than merely bad luck.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Its kind of frustrating honestly. I like everything ive seen so far and really enjoy playing. Saturday we played for 5 hours, only made it through 1 settlement phase, 2 hunt phases and 2 showdowns. I cant honestly see an end in sight and my mindset is, why even play then.. I will most likely end up playing this game alone an hour here and there once my kids go to bed.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
I understand difficult games like, for example, Pandemic where even the best plans can slowly slip down the hill to a loss, but this whole roll once lose 10 3+ hour sessions of progress that kinda kills enthusiasm really quickly in a group.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Mr.Church13 wrote:I understand difficult games like, for example, Pandemic where even the best plans can slowly slip down the hill to a loss, but this whole roll once lose 10 3+ hour sessions of progress that kinda kills enthusiasm really quickly in a group.
Yeah... I think the game is slightly too punishing in core format, not in a vacuum, but in the context of people needing to get together and play sessions. Even if they're not horribly attached to a settlement, the loss of a ton of progress due to a 1/10 chance is pretty demoralizing.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Exactly, I was 106% on board listening to the grueling nature of the game. I love how its difficult, I feel like I'm contradicting myself for hating the very nature of the thing I like about the game..
Its hard to explain if you haven't experienced it I think.. but I dont see this game seeing much play time just after a few sessions...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I don't mind difficult per se - we ground through multiple consecutive TPKs when SDE originally came out, but the game was charming enough that we were always getting closer to winning, and the setup investment of each one-and-done game was very low.
In KD:M, weighing the cost starting over will factor into how many random "bad things" I'm willing to accept.
As a game, I'm not sure there's supposed to be an end point aside from becoming strong enough to defeat the Phoenix (in the base game) after the requisite time has passed. It's an odd structure for a multi-session game, but at least the calendar has an end point.
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Post by: Triple9
I'm 7 lantern years in now and I've just in the past couple hunts finally gotten over getting attached to particular survivors. Once I started focusing on the gear and less on the individual, I found the frustration factor going way down.
I really liken this game to an old school video game that would drive me nuts to the point of throwing the controller, but then after calming down and taking a break, coming back focused and ready to go.
That said, I've refined my mulligan strategy to be, if the roll is going to destroy my enjoyment of the game, then I'll re-roll. For example, if I'm on a level 2 hunt and a random event causes my best fighter to run screaming into the darkness, knowing it will be a TPK, then I'm for sure rerolling. I'd rather keep enjoying the game than let one bad roll cascade to me putting it away and never picking it up again.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Agreed with Triple9, it took a bit to get over losing a favorite, but you can. The problem is for the things that wreck your hunt or even whole settlement, but it's also hard to find a way around those without radically altering the game, which is why I think that eventually a mulligan rule might be in order, but we're still playing with the survival to cancel... I think one or the other could work, and we're doing the small scale one as a gradual prevention instead of occasionally deciding things should be redone, partially because it's more stable/less open to a so-called slippery slope of circumventing bad stuff.
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Post by: Krinsath
I would have to agree with the surface assessment that there's just a lot of randomness that can completely derail everything. The game is set a very high challenge level for certain, and not all of it is entirely "fair" either where there was nothing you did wrong or could have done to avoid it. As thematic as that may be, it's still frustrating for people and I can certainly see tables being flipped when you get to lantern year 19 and a bad series of hunt events depletes your settlement. That's a lot of time invested by a player group, potentially near a hundred hours, to just go "oops, we botched that die roll...oh well." I suspect a great variety of mulligans and snapshots of settlements to rewind to like loading a saved game will be popular, if not the designer's intent.
On the flip side, as a cooperative experience it is much easier to ratchet down the difficulty to everyone in the group's liking. You don't have to marginalize someone else's play experience like you do with many other games that have a "versus" component to make things more fun. For example, if you're playing SDE with someone who is a terrific Consul and is always wiping the floor with the heroes, making the game more fun for the heroes is likely going to make it less fun for the Consul. That scenario doesn't happen with KD:M because all the players are on the same side and it's you guys versus the game. Just because the game's default difficulty is "Nightmare" doesn't mean you can't move your own slider down notch (or two or more).
Given that there's no such thing as "competitive KD:M" or a tournament circuit, it seems less concerning for people to adjust the rules as they want; we all make house rules for our various games after all. Where we clamor for consistent rules is for those games with strangers to avoid having to hash those rules out all the time. However, I'm not sure KD:M is a game you'd ever be playing with random people in a campaign setting; just the nature of the game implies you've met these people before at some point and worked this out. I think that's a core part of Adam's design vision really, that this is a shared experience by the group and deciding how brutal or not the experience is going to be is part of the bonding as a group to play "our" campaign.
Now, I can see a world where you do one-shot challenges and showdowns with strangers randomly just for fun such as at a convention or just to fill time on various gaming nights, but just doing a showdown removes most of the arbitrary death/difficulty of the other campaign phases. It can still be insanely difficult and there can still be random deaths you can't do anything about, but it's less bothersome to me because that isn't "John died off-stage", we all know that he got eaten by an antelope.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Krinsath wrote:Given that there's no such thing as "competitive KD:M" or a tournament circuit,
It's a good thing there isn't some kind of scoring mechansim after each year. Could you just imagine?
Wait, scratch that. The game doesn't need another step and calculation for people to gamify.
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Post by: BrookM
Bit annoyed that my track and trace number for my wave one shipment still doesn't register or work. Bleh.
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Post by: devilution
BrookM wrote:Bit annoyed that my track and trace number for my wave one shipment still doesn't register or work. Bleh.
Hey there :-)
I had the same issue, but my package arrived without the tracking number ever becoming active.
On topic:
I think I will enjoy this game playing it solo, a game as hard as this will become frustrating for people with less time (to put into one single game) or patience and it will ruin evenings lol.
You could come up with some house rules (↑↑↓↓←→←→ BA) to bypass some of the frustratingly bad luck your group encounters :-P
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I still haven't received anything, or had any shipping notifications for either wave 1 or wave 2.
I'm starting to get a little concerned.
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
You're not the only one. UK Backer and I've had nothing as yet.
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Post by: DaveC
I don't think this was posted yet EU customs may be finished quicker than expected
Very small chance that EU bound rewards will be shipped before our estimated window of October 15 - October 30th. As soon as I get the word, I will let you guys know. !!!
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Post by: Chopxsticks
My group is loving the game, and we are enjoying the luls of people dying. We are trying to figure out how we can get another game day in to actual see this through.
Our 2nd Settlement phase event we drew Plague... well of course we have no blood letting or amonia. So we all die.. Thanks...
Trying to find the balance of innovations and settlement buildings vs buying gear and weapons .
So quick rules question, Do the monsters turn to face the person attacking them? Or would they just sit there and let 2-3 attackers stand behind them and attack from the blind spot and never turn around?? I assume if the Hit location says on a miss or reflex basic attack then they turn around?
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Post by: Triple9
Chopxsticks wrote:
So quick rules question, Do the monsters turn to face the person attacking them? Or would they just sit there and let 2-3 attackers stand behind them and attack from the blind spot and never turn around?? I assume if the Hit location says on a miss or reflex basic attack then they turn around?
Not unless there is a reaction that would cause them to move/attack.
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Post by: BrookM
DaveC wrote:I don't think this was posted yet EU customs may be finished quicker than expected
Very small chance that EU bound rewards will be shipped before our estimated window of October 15 - October 30th. As soon as I get the word, I will let you guys know. !!!
Good news I suppose, at this stage it'll be a race between wave one and wave two then.
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Post by: cincydooley
Does anyone recall which Single Model add ons were supposed to have gameplay content?
Are the Messengers or any of the other Promos?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I believe the messengers (4?) and the crossovers (2?) all do, and I think some of the freebies (like the 4 armored monopose characters) may have had scenario rules, too?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think the list of extra 1 shot/promo scenarios is
adam & anna
aya
Allison the twilight knight
messenger of courage
messenger of humanity
messenger of first story (pretty sure even though it's not in my notes)
messenger of the spiral path
paul the survivor
snow the savior
candy &cola
kara black
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Post by: 455_PWR
Yup, pretty sure those are the minis with their own mini storyline campaign/scenario. Glad they will get gameplay time as the Adam and messenger minis are ridiculously awesome... too awesome not to use!
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
My pack arrived today, will look into it later.
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Post by: BrookM
Wave one or wave two?
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Question: Where were the rules for those minis included? The promos etc. listed above? Were they in the big game box? The Survivor level bonuses & promo figs I received came in a separate bag/box but didn't include rules?
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Post by: BrookM
The promo stuff will go up for download later this year.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Well I sold my Survivor Pledge unopened. A year or two ago I would have been all over this but life and new games have sucked the time I would have put toward it so it's funding my other hobbies.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I bought Alpharius's pledge, worked out to being about $150 more than the kickstarter value I think, but I dont care, worth it
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Post by: DaveC
From the newsletter look like it's out of EU customs
Quick EU Fullfillment Update
Just wanted to let you know that the games and survivor levels have safely reached our partner in the EU and they are working as hard as possible to get everything processed and out for delivery ASAP. There is a good chance things will ship before our estimated window of October 15 - 30th. Official updates will be posted to kickstarter as soon as we know.
Thank you for being patient.
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Post by: primalexile
 Hulksmash wrote:Well I sold my Survivor Pledge unopened. A year or two ago I would have been all over this but life and new games have sucked the time I would have put toward it so it's funding my other hobbies.
I almost sold mine, and boy am I glad I did not. I would be kicking myself. To be fair though I have quit a lot of games recently and have the time to dedicate to Kingdom Death. We will see how the game holds up over time.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
DaveC wrote:From the newsletter look like it's out of EU customs
Quick EU Fullfillment Update
Just wanted to let you know that the games and survivor levels have safely reached our partner in the EU and they are working as hard as possible to get everything processed and out for delivery ASAP. There is a good chance things will ship before our estimated window of October 15 - 30th. Official updates will be posted to kickstarter as soon as we know.
Thank you for being patient.
Happy, happy, joy, joy
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Post by: BrookM
Oh yes, it is now officially a race between wave one and two around here.
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Post by: RivenSkull
My wave 1 shipping notification email arrived today. Meaning my Wave 1 package will arrive Monday........
When I get shoulder surgery
And will go 3 months without the ability to paint.
Joyous occasions
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Trust me, the 2-3 days wont make a difference in how much youd be able to paint...
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Post by: Mr.Church13
A little off topic, but I'm a preorder guy and have yet to receive my box.
Are they're any colored art pics of the Phoenix in the rulebook or on the cards or at least a harrowing description of it or am I just free to go to town on this thing color wise?
(FYI I usually try to stay close to the fluff with a gameworld like this so I am aware that I could just go to town any way, also I'm looking into demoing this thing to a few groups so the closer to the art it looks the better.)
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'm pretty sure we've seen at least some phoenix art during the updates, here's one I found but I'm sure there will be more  but feel free to go to town on it anyway (after all like all the monsters it comes in 3 power levels and we all know from video gaming that a different power level means a different colour, so if the phoenix in the art does not suit you paint what does, and then it can be the level 2 phoenix while the one in the book is a level 1 or level 3)
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
If the small no game box is wave one, then wave one.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
Well that's awesome, and my new wallpaper.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
An update for those of you who are worried about a balanced, slightly easier (but not hero mode) version of the game. We've been refining our house rule, and have been playing with the following cost to prevent death (and all associated positive outcomes) in random events:
All survival, min. 2, and skip the next fight (hunt or otherwise).
It's felt pretty thoroughly balanced.
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Post by: Hulksmash
 primalexile wrote: Hulksmash wrote:Well I sold my Survivor Pledge unopened. A year or two ago I would have been all over this but life and new games have sucked the time I would have put toward it so it's funding my other hobbies.
I almost sold mine, and boy am I glad I did not. I would be kicking myself. To be fair though I have quit a lot of games recently and have the time to dedicate to Kingdom Death. We will see how the game holds up over time.
Yeah. I just can't see myself having the time to dedicate it before the next decade is up so I figure I have better places to put that cash and since it went for a substantial amount I'm ok with it. And I've still got more stuff to offload once the additional expansions come in. I'm keeping my promo pin-ups I ordered but that's pretty much it.
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Post by: Krinsath
I understand that Hulksmash; as I look around my ever-growing mountain of shame I should probably be thinking along those lines more. As it is I find myself thinking I did not order anywhere near enough armor kits during the KS, which means the mountain will likely rise higher.
Question for the US-based backers: How long after you received your wave 1 shipping email until the tracking info updated? I received my email Thursday, but as of yet FedEx hasn't updated any information and still has it as "pending." I figured I'd poll you guys to try and establish if that became the norm and the box will show up today/tomorrow or if they just pre-printed my label in anticipation of shipping it out this week. I could obviously ask KD, but that's just another thing they'd have to respond to which slows down everyone else who doesn't have their stuff and also the build guides that I want much more than yet more mountain materials.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
I received my email last monday, then the tracker updated friday to say it shipped. Slated to be here this Thursday...
I imagine they do like one or two dropoffs a week, so you'll prolly hear something later this week
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
A couple of reports of wave 2 (the big box) now starting to ship in Europe, 1 in Germany, 1 in Holland so far,
The waiting is killing me!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I had to do extensive culling of the pile of shame in order to make way for this game.
Felt good. I still have an awful lot of stuff to shed off my collection, but it makes the wife happy, frees up more space for other games, and actually makes it more likely that I will get to play some of the stuff I've backed.
Now to finish building everything...
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Post by: Triple9
Think I'm going to put KD away for a little while. I still love it and am having fun, but realized in the last 24 hours, I'm starting to get a bit cranky with it. Just been overplaying it way too much and need to step away for a couple weeks I think. Up to the 18th Lantern year, so been averaging quite a few hours of play a day plus build time.
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Post by: zedmeister
Had a wave 1 notification about a month ago and still waiting. I was one of the late backer pledges...
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Post by: BrookM
Has your track & trace activated yet? Because in my case it still doesn't work.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Didn't set up the cards in the tray before my first play through, spent at least half an hour looking for cards.
After using those dividers, however, this has to be one of the prettiest in box games I've ever owned.
Got through the initial hunt with no losses. Next lion hunt we lost an axe to a hunt event (damn fragile rule) and two survivors (to decapitation and a rib to the heart). Our third survivor suffered a spiral fracture for permanent -2 strength and has to miss the next hunt.
I think I love this game
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
zedmeister wrote:Had a wave 1 notification about a month ago and still waiting. I was one of the late backer pledges...
I was backer #405, but I haven't received any shipping notifications yet. Are you expecting any resin figures in wave 1, or all plastic?
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Post by: 455_PWR
I have a complicated set with 1 of each add on in both resin and plastic. I got my notification and it's in fedex's hands right now. It looks like they may be doing some of the more complicated orders right now (makes sense to get your stuff sooner if you spent a crap ton more).
Some have had items show up without a notice or tracking number too. If you are worried drop poots an email as he has always been great to work with (although I'm sure he is buried in work right now).
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Post by: Krinsath
If you're overseas, I'd start be worried about 5 weeks after you got your shipping notice; 1 week for the order to actually have been picked up and then the standard month for delivery.
My tracking number began moving shortly after my post; literally 16 minutes based on FedEx's site. FedEx estimates that it will take them another 4 days to deliver it, or 3 times as long as the Postal Service themselves would take. I know it's their game on expectations management and that it is likely to be here Thursday (only a day slower than USPS, which makes sense for SmartPost), but it amuses me that in their efforts to hedge their bets they make themselves look dramatically worse than just mailing things.
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Post by: zedmeister
BrookM wrote:Has your track & trace activated yet? Because in my case it still doesn't work.
Never worked for me. And, bugger me, I've got a missed delivery card with an eye watering £7 customs charge and an £8 Royal Mail feth you fee. Ouch Undead_Love-Machine wrote: zedmeister wrote:Had a wave 1 notification about a month ago and still waiting. I was one of the late backer pledges...
I was backer #405, but I haven't received any shipping notifications yet. Are you expecting any resin figures in wave 1, or all plastic?
Mostly plastic. My Wave 1 is thus: 1 x White Speaker: Plastic 1 x Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic (ppin_12) 1 x Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico (kss_2) 1 x Promo: Candy and Cola (kss_3) 1 x Promo: Kara Black (kss_4) 1 x Messenger of Courage (kss_5) 1 x Messenger of the Spiral Path (kss_6) 1 x Messenger of the First Story (kss_7) 1 x Messenger of Humanity (kss_8) 1 x Beyond the Wall (kss_10) 1 x Lantern Festival Girl Resin (resin_16) 1 x T-shirt Medium ( m)
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Post by: Barzam
Well I'll be, I just got a shipping notice. Interestingly, it said it is listed as Wave 1, even though I have an armor set in it.
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Post by: Triple9
 Barzam wrote:Well I'll be, I just got a shipping notice. Interestingly, it said it is listed as Wave 1, even though I have an armor set in it.
Wave 1 is still shipping; it's just being done in multiple stages, so you could say it's the 3rd grouping of wave 1 that's going out now.
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Post by: endtransmission
I just got my Wave 2 box in the uk without any form of shipping email. I knew today was a bad day to get the train to work!
The book is about all I've had the chance to look at so far and... it is gorgeous! The progression through is also really well done, though I do want a second copy (or an app) as this is going to get so much use with all the events and tables in here! I suspect a lot of this will start to be written up into little generator tools to avoid damage to the book
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Post by: Elemental
Got mine, and.....OK, when they said "Monster", I thought they were talking about the premise of the game, not the size of the box. I won't be able to open mine before I shoo away all the ape-men who are learning the secrets of civilisation from it.
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