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Post by: Victorraven
Don't get me wrong the lower price is a huge plus
But it strikes of over commitment to sell more when your so far delayed: I don't know the logistics but it would seem to just add more time.
I know this last buy in was at full retail but does any one recall what the previous last backer "being able to pledge" cost was?
I know it was something like you had to buy only ALL plastics or ALL resin.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
At the time of the most recent BF buy-in, the core offers appeared to be ALL plastic; I didn't check to see if resin pinups or others were available.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, I'm ok with getting in during the campaign and getting the best pricing too.
If Adam can generate more sales and in doing so make the game and his company more viable and successful?
Great!
It isn't the late backers making this whole thing late either...
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Post by: Victorraven
I'm not blaming other backers ether for wanting to get in ether Alpharius; I'm just wishing there was a little more transparency on there maybe being able to get in on late, as otherwise it does sorta feel like it undermines the purpose of kickstarter in the first place at least to me. As well as wishing I understood what added time commitment more prints of the product mean for the time of shipping; again I just wish there was more of a transparency on areas that I'm sure other people are worried about to.
The main thing that would just have cleared up this campaign for me was I guess just not saying things that were not true.
For example the "Couple days" post which is hardly the first time Adam has said there would be an update but then waited far longer then said to post anything.
I'd much rather not hear anything until the actual update.
It honestly to me feels like he's saying "I promise to tell you something in X time."
But then its "I was busy so I couldn't keep my promise."
I just think its strange that his kickstarter rarely gets any posts when so many people have backed it and it's one of the longer delayed projects; and while I don't doubt we will get an amazing product that does not mean we should not voice concern over aspects.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I would like to see a return of weekly & monthly updates. Small updates are fine, just so I can see that something is happening.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
But nothing is exactly what is happening.
This KS is moving slower than a block of cheese in an old man's colon.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Tooling the injection molds and sculpting/re-sculpting are the tasks that take the most time and what the Kickstarter folks paid for. Producing a few extra sprues isn't going to delay the project by that much. If KD can get a bit more money to overcome some snag in production, then so be it.
Updates would be nice, though. What ever happened to the promised biweekly Wednesday updates? They seemed to halt after the 'big' Black Friday update.
EDIT:
Oh, I guess all I had to do was check the Kickstarter page.
Update from Adam regarding an update coming up:
HELLO! Update next Friday. Things have been nuts (in a good way). Currently organizing the transportation of the finished production from the plastic factory, over to the print factory so everything can be put into its appropriate boxes.I'll be sharing photos of the last armor sets, Spider Silk, Dragon King and Gorm along with bringing everyone up to speed.
Seems like everything is wrapping up.
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Post by: BrookM
I shouldn't be too optimistic just yet, as it is still months off, but the mention of the production being done..
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Post by: Elemental
 JohnHwangDD wrote:I would like to see a return of weekly & monthly updates. Small updates are fine, just so I can see that something is happening.
This. Even if nothing big has happened, comment on little things that have happened, or drop a few new preview photos. Across every KS I've ever backed, it's been the case that updates lead to enthusiasm and increased pledges, while silence leads to worry, unhappiness, rumours and aggravation. 
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Post by: Alpharius
"Next Friday" being January 30th then?
OK!
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Post by: Victorraven
To be fair that comment was literally just about 20 hours ago; and honestly is just about the same sort of comment as the previous "There will be a comment in a few days" that he posted on the 6th of jan.
Here's hoping we get the update though! I am looking forward to seeing some spures~
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Victorraven wrote:To be fair that comment was literally just about 20 hours ago; and honestly is just about the same sort of comment as the previous "There will be a comment in a few days" that he posted on the 6th of jan.
Here's hoping we get the update though! I am looking forward to seeing some spures~
He's usually better when he puts a hard date on updates (not perfect, but better).
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Well, I stand corrected, seeing as Friday has come and gone with zero communication.
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Post by: Victorraven
*double post*
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Post by: Dentry
Not sure that communication on this one has been horrible. It's certainly lessened compared to the former frequency of updates from Adam, not talking about KS updates either.
Bummer that he missed the Friday deadline he'd set for himself. Curious if we'll get it at some point this weekend.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Yeah, not horrible, but certainly disappointing. Feels like the last stretch has really gotten bogged down even more than before.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Dentry wrote:Not sure that communication on this one has been horrible. It's certainly lessened compared to the former frequency of updates from Adam, not talking about KS updates either.
Bummer that he missed the Friday deadline he'd set for himself. Curious if we'll get it at some point this weekend.
I'd venture that he's never been great, especially after a few of the longer month+ stretches with radio silence. He got somewhat better with sacred backer time, but even that died after three updates.
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Post by: Absolutionis
He hasn't even logged onto Kickstarter since the last Wednesday comment where he said a new update would be ready Friday.
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Post by: brrrmanza
Yeah… Sad story.
Business owner raises over $2M to create dream game.
Can't even commit to his word and bring even a 5 minute update to those that funded the project…
I just hope that the creative-boutique-artiste delivers on the experience side of the game. We know the minis will be mind-boggling brilliant. Heck, as much as I love the minis, give me some tokens and the rules, and I'm happy.
(Ok, not entirely, but still….)
I think the best example of updates being sacred (in my experience), has to be Xia: Legends of a Drift System.
Every Friday like clockwork, unless noted otherwise previously (IE - holidays).
This is going on 45+ days delayed from a promised update "prior to the holidays"
I guess I stand by my earlier comments that he must have meant Valentine's, St. Patty's, or Easter….
At least it's not the family doctor I'm pacing for an update from…
I'll still live and breathe even without a dumpster sized box of minis… 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Yeah, I'd have appreciated something, even a "need a few more days"
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Post by: Absolutionis
Unlike many of the doomsayers on the Kickstarter page, I doubt anyone has dire hopes for this project. The lack an update on Friday has just been a tremendous let-down and the lack of updates in general as of late have been frustrating.
Poots seems to love his elaborate updates with pictures and such, but even a comment would be welcome. Then again, wasn't the New York-Boston area hit with tremendous snowstorms recently? Perhaps those created a snag.
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Post by: Alpharius
We were indeed - and we're about to get another big storm on Monday! (In New England at least)
So yeah, hopefully there's an update...soon!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Yup. I'd even be happy with another Backer Time, just something to know we're still on the rails, given that the last Update was Black Friday.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Hopefully something soon. He's bound to put some new models up in the store sometime. 
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Post by: primalexile
He has no problem taking in more and more money. I honestly do not care about this game or minis anymore 2 + years is a god dang long time.... I asked for a refund after the last black Friday [MOD EDIT - Please don't try and work around the Expletive Filter - thanks! - Alpharius]. I plan on putting everything on ebay for a lot more than I paid.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Alpharius wrote:We were indeed - and we're about to get another big storm on Monday! (In New England at least)
So yeah, hopefully there's an update...soon!
 don't remind me. Though New York got it significantly lighter than New England (despite the state of emergency and locked down public transit in NYC).
I'm not really dire on the project, and I don't think most backers are. I do believe that any goodwill afforded to Adam early in this project after the beautiful model kits has been exhausted at this point, leading to frustration and some of the more dramatic responses we're seeing on KS.
If we are somehow surprised by an early shipping time, I think all would be easily forgiven. Hell, when this stuff arrives, all the waiting will be forgotten.
Mostly, anyway.
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Post by: BrookM
Biggest personal worries right now are when ROW will get their stuff and that the game won't fall flat on its ass on execution, it has quite a bit of hype sticking to it right about now.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I think the game will be fine, if not great. It's the sticker shock that will scare people away...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Sinful Hero wrote:I think the game will be fine, if not great. It's the sticker shock that will scare people away...
That and the dongs.
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Post by: RivenSkull
But there are more boobs. And everyone knows that tabletop nerds only care about 1 thing.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Dongs.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I don't know about you, but that's why I bought it.
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Post by: Krinsath
Yeah, most people are actually fine with dongs; 50% of the population has them and other 50% has a standing offer to pretty much see one whenever they want (and many times when they don't  ).
Tell someone they're paying $45+ for one plastic gaming miniature though and their immediate reaction will be "Whoa, when did GW do a half-off sale?"
Seriously though, sticker shock is going to be a much bigger stifle on this than content. Especially for RoW backers if there's not a good EU distributor and they have to order things in "sell-an-organ" sized lots to not get reamed by shipping costs.
My big fear is with as long as this taken to get together and all the little things added, does the project have enough in the tank for shipping with all the rate increases that have happened in the interim? Or are most of things going far afield already so huge that the increases didn't really impact them that much as I understand smaller packages are worse than ginormous ones.
As far as updates go, I'd love to see one, even a tiny one without the tons of content he's so enarmored with, but I suspect he's pouring energy into getting things out of WGF and over to the printer before CNY rolls around. While the lack of communication sucks and I'd be happy without the extravagant affairs that take so long to post, at the same time if his energy needs to be focused on greasing the wheels to get product moving then I'd prefer he do that. Still, there's a happy medium that could be found there...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I've often wondered about really successful kickstarters if the creators don't put a large percentage of their money into some sort of interest drawing account to make it go a little further.
Not saying Adam is doing this, but it is something that could possibly cover unplanned expenses.
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Post by: RivenSkull
Sinful Hero wrote:I've often wondered about really successful kickstarters if the creators don't put a large percentage of their money into some sort of interest drawing account to make it go a little further.
Not saying Adam is doing this, but it is something that could possibly cover unplanned expenses.
Probably not. Those accounts dislike having multiple withdrawals a month, and if you breach that a few times the account gets bumped to a non interest type. And the time frame needed to actually get anything sizable out of it is way to long fora KS. Even if they did try it, the most they would get is a few hundred dollars, maybe a few thousand if lucky.
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Post by: Dark Severance
 RivenSkull wrote:Even if they did try it, the most they would get is a few hundred dollars, maybe a few thousand if lucky.
Depends on the account and bank but you correct that they usually don't like withdrawals. However if you knew you weren't paying anything off for at least a year, then paid with credit or other financing then $2M can generate upwards of $11K a month to $132K a year, that is a lower interest account. It is all on how you manager it. Most people won't do it because they are already having enough time trying to balance multiple issues, the last thing they need is to carefully manage this aspect to make sure they stay in the interest account. It is more than a few thousand, but in the long run when at a project of this scale it really isn't that huge either.
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Post by: Krinsath
If you managed to get a 3% annual interest rate and assume that you're going to use 25% of your proceeds for shipping (and thus not needing to withdraw for a while, and in this case far longer than projected) you would get:
$2,049,721 * .9 (KS cut) = $1,844,748.90 * .25 (shipping guesstimate) = $461,187.23
Using a compound interest calculator, at 3% annually for 2 years that would leave $489,273.53 or a profit of $28,086.30 which, while only an additional $5 a backer, is still a decent chunk of money for doing nothing.
So yeah, lesson there is if you're running a KickStarter that goes huge, put your shipping money away in an interest-earning account. Just make sure you can get it all out when you need it...
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Post by: BrookM
Shipping will be interesting, as it's a flat rate of $45 (I think, it's been some time now since I pledged..) and the parcels are going to be massive.
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Post by: DaveC
Didn't Poots calculate the shipping to be about $400k and that was some time ago now. Surely that money is sitting in a bank account for the time being
EDIT yep it was 1.5 years ago and before PM additions so the cost has only gone up
Creator Kingdom Death on May 24, 2013
@Luke Roberts, we are not advanced enough to schedule delayed shipments. I wish that all 5,410+ of you guys could just come and pick it up. It would save a HUGE hassle and free up around $400,000 for more game dev.
Shipping sucks.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
 DaveC wrote:Didn't Poots calculate the shipping to be about $400k and that was some time ago now. Surely that money is sitting in a bank account for the time being
Or under his mattress.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 Krinsath wrote:Yeah, most people are actually fine with dongs
Tell someone they're paying $45+ for one plastic gaming miniature though and their immediate reaction will be "Whoa, when did GW do a half-off sale?"
Seriously though, sticker shock is going to be a much bigger stifle on this than content.
My big fear is with as long as this taken to get together and all the little things added, does the project have enough in the tank for shipping with all the rate increases that have happened in the interim?
As far as updates go, I'd love to see one, even a tiny one without the tons of content he's so enarmored with,
but I suspect he's pouring energy into getting things out of WGF and over to the printer before CNY rolls around. While the lack of communication sucks and I'd be happy without the extravagant affairs that take so long to post, at the same time if his energy needs to be focused on greasing the wheels to get product moving then I'd prefer he do that.
Still, there's a happy medium that could be found there...
The dongs are a bit juvenile, but it's part of the game aesthetic, so either you're OK with it, or you're not a customer. Same with the pinups, and nightmare horror. If it's not for you, you're not a customer, so it's not an issue.
Sticker shock should be manageable, as long as the kit quality justifies the price. From what I've seen, the quality is there, and the price isn't unreasonable for a niche kit. I spent $89 for the DFG / WGF Leviathan Crusader, and I don't regret a single penny of it. I consider that kit to be a good value, and I expect similar with the expansions. The real sticker shock is going to be with the Monster base game - that game has bloated dramatically, and the sticker gone up accordingly. It's basically a ton of content that probably needs to be pared back somewhat into a less expensive base game with an expansion, but that can wait for 2nd Edition years down the road.
Shipping will be a challenge, and I certainly hope that KDM is able to get product to backers and retail. Especially with many backers ordering at the Herald (or higher) levels.
A small update just letting us know that he's pushing for CNY would be nice. As the Friday Update was delayed, maybe a SBT this Weds?
I like the mega-Updates, but 2+ months of Update is a lot of stuff to catch up on. This is partly why I like little weeklies - something easier, and more regular. The problem is that Adam is such a perfectionist, it's tough for him to dial back into "draft mode" when he knows it'll be seen by the public.
Hopefully, he can get a something together as he finalizes whatever happens prior to CNY.
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Post by: RiTides
JohnHwangDD wrote:If it's not for you, you're not a customer, so it's not an issue.
I think that is a logical fallacy - it could be used to support so many things! " GW customers are used to paying high prices, people who aren't are not customers, so it's not an issue."
I have quite a few local friends who are buying into this game (one via the recent Black Friday opportunity), or who bought into it in the Kickstarter originally. Almost all of them have avoided the pinup extras, or the really over-the-top sexualized monsters. We were just discussing this in-person the other day - some of the sculpts are just incredible (the goat, for instance), and some seem like they were envisioned by a teenager just going through puberty. Most of our gaming group are married, and a number with kids, and there's just a threshold that many aren't necessarily looking to go beyond.
So, the argument that people who might have an issue with some of the (really over the top) sexualization on the models are not customers is not true (from my experience, at least).
JohnHwangDD wrote:Sticker shock should be manageable, as long as the kit quality justifies the price. From what I've seen, the quality is there, and the price isn't unreasonable for a niche kit. I spent $89 for the DFG / WGF Leviathan Crusader, and I don't regret a single penny of it. I consider that kit to be a good value, and I expect similar with the expansions. The real sticker shock is going to be with the Monster base game - that game has bloated dramatically, and the sticker gone up accordingly. It's basically a ton of content that probably needs to be pared back somewhat into a less expensive base game with an expansion, but that can wait for 2nd Edition years down the road.
I agree, it's the base game that is the real sticker shock item, many of the other items are reasonable (except that single 35mm model that he was charging $50 for in plastic  ).
JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the mega-Updates, but 2+ months of Update is a lot of stuff to catch up on. This is partly why I like little weeklies - something easier, and more regular. The problem is that Adam is such a perfectionist, it's tough for him to dial back into "draft mode" when he knows it'll be seen by the public.
Hopefully, he can get a something together as he finalizes whatever happens prior to CNY.
Agreed, and hopefully he'll make a quick comment / update. CNY is only a few weeks away, though, so I don't know if there's a chance of finishing before it.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 RiTides wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:If it's not for you, you're not a customer, so it's not an issue.
I have quite a few local friends who are buying into this game (one via the recent Black Friday opportunity), or who bought into it in the Kickstarter originally. Almost all of them have avoided the pinup extras, or the really over-the-top sexualized monsters. We were just discussing this in-person the other day - some of the sculpts are just incredible (the goat, for instance), and some seem like they were envisioned by a teenager just going through puberty.
Most of our gaming group are married, and a number with kids, and there's just a threshold that many aren't necessarily looking to go beyond.
So, the argument that people who might have an issue with some of the (really over the top) sexualization on the models are not customers is not true (from my experience, at least).
I think we're basically saying the same thing. I don't mind the pinups at all, nor do I find the monsters "over-the-top sexualized", but I understand people's reluctance to order some of them. If you're avoiding that part of the line, you're not a customer of it, right? If you're choosing to avoid dongs / pinups / whatever, then you're not a customer for those things. I love the look of the Dragon King, and the Spidicules concept. The Lion and Flower Knights are amazing. And I found the Sunstalker and Gorm to be more whimsical than sexual.
As a parent, I'm not so worried about KD:M, because the most "extreme" stuff is kind of silly. It's not like Adam is depicting hardcore penetration like HR Giger's art.
Again, that's going back to my original point of them not being customers for that sort of thing. If we pivot things, I can be a GM customer for Buick, but I don't need to be a customer for GMC, right? I could even find Cadillac garish, or Chevy plebian. But none of that needs to undermine my like for a Buick. If the umbrella has pieces that aren't to my liking, why shouldn't I pick and choose?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
@RiTides
Concerning the $50 plastic model, I posted in the other thread that it's a 54mm pinup. Isn't that comparable to other 54mm models?
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Is it really 54mm? I had only seen poots say it was "closer" to that (which is odd to say about scale). All other 54mm scale models on their site are clearly marked - but if it did turn out that he somehow neglected to list the scale, the price would make more sense. But from the way he said it I thought he was just counting the decorative base.
@JHDD - I agree, those monsters are awesome (and I like most of them - the crazy goat most of all  )
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Sinful Hero wrote:@RiTides
Concerning the $50 plastic model, I posted in the other thread that it's a 54mm pinup. Isn't that comparable to other 54mm models?
Not really. I'd say that $20-30 is about on the mark when looking at plastics that size. $50 is likely for resin, but, well, that's resin so things are always more expensive.
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Post by: Alpharius
JohnHwangDD wrote: RiTides wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:If it's not for you, you're not a customer, so it's not an issue.
I have quite a few local friends who are buying into this game (one via the recent Black Friday opportunity), or who bought into it in the Kickstarter originally. Almost all of them have avoided the pinup extras, or the really over-the-top sexualized monsters. We were just discussing this in-person the other day - some of the sculpts are just incredible (the goat, for instance), and some seem like they were envisioned by a teenager just going through puberty.
Most of our gaming group are married, and a number with kids, and there's just a threshold that many aren't necessarily looking to go beyond.
So, the argument that people who might have an issue with some of the (really over the top) sexualization on the models are not customers is not true (from my experience, at least).
I think we're basically saying the same thing. I don't mind the pinups at all, nor do I find the monsters "over-the-top sexualized", but I understand people's reluctance to order some of them. If you're avoiding that part of the line, you're not a customer of it, right? If you're choosing to avoid dongs / pinups / whatever, then you're not a customer for those things. I love the look of the Dragon King, and the Spidicules concept. The Lion and Flower Knights are amazing. And I found the Sunstalker and Gorm to be more whimsical than sexual.
As a parent, I'm not so worried about KD:M, because the most "extreme" stuff is kind of silly. It's not like Adam is depicting hardcore penetration like HR Giger's art.
Again, that's going back to my original point of them not being customers for that sort of thing. If we pivot things, I can be a GM customer for Buick, but I don't need to be a customer for GMC, right? I could even find Cadillac garish, or Chevy plebian. But none of that needs to undermine my like for a Buick. If the umbrella has pieces that aren't to my liking, why shouldn't I pick and choose?
Pretty much!
It sure seemed like you were both saying the same thing - but sometimes hairs need to be split! 
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@RiTides - for whatever reason, the models like the Nightmare Ram and King just don't "work" for me. I don't know why that is. Same with the Tree - technically excellent, but just not to my tastes.
. Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpharius wrote:It sure seemed like you were both saying the same thing - but sometimes hairs need to be split!
It's a vigorous and enlivening agreement!
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I can't believe you don't like the nightmare ram! I disavow our agreement!
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Post by: gunslingerpro
RiTides wrote:I can't believe you don't like the nightmare ram! I disavow our agreement!
To hell with the ram, how can you not like THE TREE!?!?!?!?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
RiTides wrote:Is it really 54mm? I had only seen poots say it was "closer" to that (which is odd to say about scale). All other 54mm scale models on their site are clearly marked - but if it did turn out that he somehow neglected to list the scale, the price would make more sense. But from the way he said it I thought he was just counting the decorative base.
@JHDD - I agree, those monsters are awesome (and I like most of them - the crazy goat most of all )
It's definitely over 50mm- I just assumed 54mm like the other ones. Here's my post from the other thread(apologies again for the poor quality). As you can (barely) see her leg to the upper thigh is as big as a regular Twilight knight.
Sinful Hero wrote:May be a bit late now for any interested parties but...
Just opened the Christmas pin-up- it is most definately a 54mm model. Her legs are almost as big as a regular twilight knight!
Here's a poor, blurry excuse for a picture.
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Oh my gosh, it must have been moving really fast
That explains it then, thanks!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
RiTides wrote:I can't believe you don't like the nightmare ram! I disavow our agreement!
I like it well enough as a technical achievement, just not enough for me to spend more money on this. KD:M is the biggest wargaming / minis boardgame KS pledge I've ever committed, and likely my most expensive entry into any game system. I simply cannot justify any more spend on KD:M until I start getting product in hand and built to play.
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Post by: brrrmanza
Well, Chinese NY is a pretty HUGE event… The entire country pretty much shuts down for an entire month. Although the actual New Year is Feb 19th, this year--factories, businesses and ports all start to shut down about 1-2 weeks prior to the big day.
Due to China's size, topography and transit infrastructure (or lack thereof), usually it takes folks anywhere from a few days up to a week to return to the remote villages and provinces they originated from. Most employees that are from the distant rural towns are gone for 3-4 weeks, which basically grants about half of that time to travel!! More locally sourced workers may be granted less time due to proximity.
(Not to sound too smarty-pants, but it's all info I read about CNY like 8 months ago… Cos I doubted we'd see it 2014 )
So, *IF* we're lucky, we may see Poots return to the KS page (and an update!?!?) in the next week or a little later.
I'm not holding my breath, and I'm certainly not taking at face value any promise or heralding of an update.
Fool me once… Shame on you…
Fool me twice… Shame on me…
Fool me three times? Well, I mean, I did just say it was on me, so shame on me…
Fool me four times? Come on, really?
(David Cross has a pretty funny standup bit that gets a bit raunchier than that, but it's pretty much how I feel [minus fingering a religious group as a scapegoat])
Well, I bet we'll see new minis during CNY.
At this point, I'm pretty much over anything in resin.
It'd have to be pretty special (dragon king??) to convince the wallet to open any deeper to Poots.
Am I wearing lipstick?
What?
If I'm getting screwed, I at least want to look pretty!
I just wish Poots was a little more organized with what's been shown. The Green Knight Armor hasn't been shown beyond digital proofing, but it isn't on his radar as something to show off. The Gorm armor being forgotten about (one KS backer has been pleading for it, and that's probably why we saw it on one of those fleeting SBT's).
Another promise forgotten is the notice for locking up the Pledge Manager for good. To sound completely hypocritical, I was on the fence about buying extra DK Armor & Gorm-or kits (see what I did?), but wanted to see how they turned out before throwing that money down the black hole.
Due to the rare weapons living on the leather sprues, it'd be cool to pick up a spare one for beastly survivors. (never on the PM)
Heck, an extra rulebook to read outside of the hobby area. Maybe cut out art and frame? (blaspheme!)
Either way, with me helping out others, I don't know if a box smaller than a refrigerator box will get the goods here. It'll probably take a single USPS truck to deliver this…. I'd say it only cost me $45 in shipping, but a lot of those add-ons were at the increased rates, so there should be at least $500 in shipping funds for my total order alone. $_$
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I passed the a warning about the Cthulhu wars lack of packing inside the box (possibly due the factory forgetting) leading to damaged cards to Adam when that first became apparent
(I'm sure he's on top of things, but an extra warning never hurts)
the way he signed himself off in response I got (21st Jan) suggested to me he was out of office/on the road so I would not be at all surprised if he was in china making sure stuff got done on time (and done right)
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Post by: Alpharius
Done on time before CNY 2015 was going to shut things down anyway?
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Post by: Krinsath
Yes. They were supposed to have plastic done and to the printing factory for final packaging just in time for CNY to shut everything down. Then in March when things resume, the printing would be done and packed and (hopefully) on the water by the end of May.
Obviously, I'm not holding my breath on that part coming to pass, but that was the plan...
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Post by: Absolutionis
Not sure how legit it is, but someone on the Discussions said:
Update delayed.
From an email Ceetee got from Joe:
"Thanks for the sentiment. Things are intense, on every level, but we're working through it. Adam has a lot going on and will get to the updates when he has time.
Don't fear, it's simply a busy time for us."
Nothing substantial at all.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Krinsath wrote:Yes. They were supposed to have plastic done and to the printing factory for final packaging just in time for CNY to shut everything down.
That is exactly where Journey : Wrath of Demons is right now. Ray & team are pushing for print, so they can get product on the water. Journey managed to sneak 15 minutes away to make a little Update on what's happening, and I was so delighted over that little tidbit of news.
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Post by: Absolutionis
UPDATE!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/1126296
Hello.
Our print deadline to have all the expansion content 100% ready for delivery is the first week of march, which is when the factories in china resume working after their Chinese new year. Until that content loaded hard drive is handed off, our internal team is laser focused. The pledge manager is closed, we will not be putting up any resin sales and If you wrote me a message, I will get back to you after this push.
The Dragon King Armor kit is finished, as is the Gorm Armor kit. The Spider Silk armor kit needed a revision, as the legs join was too large and it didn't fit in any chest sockets. I am waiting on a package to confirm that was adjusted. (Should arrive this week). At this point, the spider silk armor kit is the last loose end. Everything else is finished, approved and production of it has been finished. (Or is closed to finished, its hard to know exactly without being there).
This project is massive.
The plastic side of it has totaled nearly 5 x 40' containers of injected sprue. Currently myself, the printing company and the plastic manufacturer are working out logistics and strategy to ensure the safe delivery from one factory to the other. Its not very far, but packing lists must be complete, checked and verified.
The storm of activity and details is getting much heavier as we approach the end. If things go smoothly we should be loading up cargo boats by may or june.
I am truly sorry I cannot be more communicative during this time.
Thank you ~
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Love the antelope rider.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
OK, now that is the sort of mini-update I've been dying for!
I love that KD:M has 5 containers of sprue, without all of the packaging. That is a little nuts. With the paper, we're probably growing to 7 or 8 containers worth of stuff. Maybe more.
If print starts early March, then it'll probably be May before all of the paper is proofed and printed. Then pack & ship & Customs, and it's possible KD:M might actually ship the first box by June 30.
Hope Adam gives adequate time for boards to dry. We do not want 5,000 sets of warped, curling boards a la Sedition Wars.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I doubt we'll need to worry about bent boards as long as he's made us wait for the rest of it to be up to his standards.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I set my shipping address to my parents' place because it's more static than my address. When this thing finally comes in, they're probably going to think I ordered them a new couch by the size of the packaging.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I am anticipating a box that should be smaller than a washing machine, but larger than a microwave.
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Post by: Dentry
Eyes on target...
Q3 2015.
Wonder where it's from. Couldn't be a KD mini, no genitals anywhere that I can see.
Must be really busy if they're basically gonna go black these next few months, not even releasing any resins.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I like that KD:M is moving into "crunch time" - it's gonna happen!
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Post by: gunslingerpro
I'm hoping that because we're not hearing anything during the massive slowdown that is CNY, means that printing and coordinating of plastic/paper goods is going swimmingly.
Right?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Maybe. I think it's fairly telling something is up since there haven't been any new releases in the KD store this year.
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Post by: BrookM
Well, that's what he said in the last update: Crunchmode engaged, no more fething around with the store, all their time is now devoted to the KS full-time.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 gunslingerpro wrote:I'm hoping that because we're not hearing anything during the massive slowdown that is CNY, means that printing and coordinating of plastic/paper goods is going swimmingly.
Right?
Not exactly.
According to Adam's last Update, KD is busy getting ready to print. Before KD:M can go to print (and delivery):
1. Adam & team need to finish the artwork, content and layout
2. They need to get proofs test printed for approval.
3. Adam & team need to approve print for production
4. Sample(s) need to be printed for approval
5. Adam & team need to approve final sample
There is a process, and step 1 won't finish until early March.
Figure the rest of March for the other steps, and initial print kicks off in April. As other items approve, they will add to the print queue.
I'm targeting Q3 delivery.
(the "free" expansion of the base game and other items to include additional cards, artwork, etc. isn't really helping the process)
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Post by: brrrmanza
I'm just hoping to have it in hand (or a shipping notice in my email), by the third anniversary of the KS / Xmas 2015 at the latest.
2015, 2015, 2015………. 2015!?
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Post by: Alpharius
At this point, thinking you'll get it in Q3 2015 is starting to look...ambitious, but it wouldn't be shocking if it sneaks in to Q4.
I'll admit, this latest 'silence' from Adam isn't exactly encouraging, but hopefully everything is continuing to move forward...
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Post by: BrookM
Q3 for US may be realistic, I just hope RoW gets it before the busy tail end of the year clogs up the postal systems worldwide.
Mind, he did say he was in crunchmode and would be quiet for the time being.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Q3 ends Sep 30 - it's possible.
But if we all start saying that Nov 30 is OK, it'll be 2016 before we know it...
Q3, please.
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Post by: Alpharius
Dare to Dream!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm secretly the Man from La Mancha, daring to Dream the Impossible Dream.
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Post by: Krinsath
I think the first packages will start going out in early Q3 (defined as "before the end of July"). I'm usually wrong about such things, but that's what I'm going with.
If they have the plastics done, that's the big job. If KD has their stuff done for printing to be underway quickly, then even with the astronomical amount of printing to do I'm not sure I see where their timeline to have it on the water to the US by May is unrealistic. Printing, even at a high quality/quantity, can be done at industrial speeds pretty well. They also have already done cards and the like for the game, so they have what process/materials they want to use down as well. They likely have some "set in stone" stuff already done, and this is the last little bits that needed further testing/refining before they could say "this item does X" where the text wasn't finalized yet. In other words, looking around you see where Adam has lined up a lot of the niggling details ahead of time, unlike some other KS projects which seem to think the critical path is the road where you get really big hits on monsters. It's still a crapton of work and still plenty that can go wrong (e.g. - machine breaks, card stock damaged, etc.), but outside of planning for Murphy I'm not seeing where there's signs that they're going to get blind-sided by something that could be accounted for.
Where their timeline becomes dicey is what is the cargo situation in the US going to be at that point, and how long is that and customs going to gum up the works? Then you have the real bugbear that's going to just nuke the time to backers; picking and shipping. I shudder to think about some of the orders that went in that dwarf even my own. 5400 highly individualized orders is going to be ugly. However, they have the month of May and June to work out how that process is going to look so maybe even that won't be awful.
Adam, unlike many project creators, does seem to have training in project management or at least an incredible affinity for it if not formally trained. That's one of the reasons I liked this project; yes, being Type A can be problematic where you're forever fiddling with the exact font but it also makes for someone who accounts for details long before those details become problems.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
It is now the end of Feb. The deadline to get initial print completed and submitted is about a week from now.
I'll assume Adam is "heads down", as he said, and finalizing print.
Krinsath is correct that Adam has done print before, along with micro batch components (KDM cards in pinups), so he knows what things should look like. I hope he is still on track for the latest "July" estimate.
If he's not good come this time next week, I would hope that he'd be able to update in some fashion.
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Post by: Victorraven
I'm just glad he stopped commenting in the comments section as it was pretty bad for a while there.
Although the new annoyance seems to be that he/project members are responding to some emails being sent in regards to the project. If they can respond to emails individually surely updating can't be hard.
Yeayea I know Adam's a "perfectionist"
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The response to peoples questions/comments that he's given seem (certainly mine was) to be the sort of thing he can do on a phone (perhaps when in China) when he has a minute or two spare
He may not feel able to sit down at a PC to do a full update
(while some would be happy with a short note, others will get wound up it's not more informative and bombard him with emails/questions)
or possibly (since he knows IT) he may not want to log on to anything 'offical' while in Chinia with it's censorship/official spyware etc
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Post by: Sining
Larger companies have no issues logging onto official stuff while in China -_-
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Post by: Victorraven
While I'm more then willing to give him the benefit of the doubt it is important all those things are "MAYBE that's why he hasn't said anything"
The only information I know of is that there is a huge deadline (Fair enough) and tons of things that need to be done but that ALSO some personal emails from backers are being answer. (As stated in comments section on the Kickstarter)
Only reason I don't like the sort of argument made that he "Can't because x y z without conclusive backing" is because it sounds to much like gets brought up in kickstarters when a manager doesn't say anything and then people start giving the "I hope he's not dead/hurt spiel" Which just feels like a mockery of if someone were actually hurt.
I'd MUCH prefer radio silence on all ends if this project needs this much attention right now and not have to hear how some random people here and there are getting updated simply because they email.
(I completely understand responding to emails when it comes to any returns of products etc but not ones where the backer is trying find new information that should be in a update.)
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Not sure if anyone else noticed, but Adam posted this in the comments today.
Micro-Update! All files for print, have been delivered to the printer! All plastic production is finished and in the hands of the printers. We are now moving into the printing and packing phase. This week, we are taking it a little easy here at the studio. It was MAX effort right up to the finish line and we are all pretty exhausted. Next update "soon".
Bolded emphasis is mine.
Hopefully we'll see some of that finished plastic soon.
Light at the end of the dark tunnel lined with faces and hands? Possibly.
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Post by: BrookM
I am so happy right now.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm glad to have the micro Update, just to know that things are on track. Hope we get a look at the final plastics.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Fantastic news!
Now to assemble/paint/find storage for all those other miniatures I haven't finished yet....
So we still aiming for June/July?
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Post by: Dentry
Hmm, seems alright. Not setting my heart on anything earlier than Q3, though, just to avoid disappointment.
Nothing I enjoy more than scorching summer days, plastic melting on the sprue as I try to base coat it, being afeared of the rattle can exploding in-hand. Ah summer. 
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Dentry wrote:
Hmm, seems alright. Not setting my heart on anything earlier than Q3, though, just to avoid disappointment.
Nothing I enjoy more than scorching summer days, plastic melting on the sprue as I try to base coat it, being afeared of the rattle can exploding in-hand. Ah summer.
After the Winter of no priming due to bitter, soul crushing cold we've had in the Northeast?
I can live with it
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
With the reports that the port backlog caused by the dockworkers slowdown will take 3 months to resolve (assuming it doesn't kick off again) I'd say June/July is positively optimistic
I'm hoping for arrival at the KD warehouse July/August, with shipping then taking at least a month if not 2 or 3
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Well at least everything is wrapping up. Looking forward to the next update...*soon*.
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Post by: Krinsath
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:With the reports that the port backlog caused by the dockworkers slowdown will take 3 months to resolve (assuming it doesn't kick off again) I'd say June/July is positively optimistic
I'm hoping for arrival at the KD warehouse July/August, with shipping then taking at least a month if not 2 or 3
I don't think the port snarl-up will be too awful by the time these are coming in if things don't go sideways with operations; the contract I believe has been signed so the cause of the problem has been remedied. Now it's just a matter of "are the people pushing sunshine about how long the backlog is" and where do they ship the cargo to in the US. Remember, Adam is out of Brooklyn and while it might be more expensive to ship to NY from China, sidestepping the backlog and the overland transport costs may make it a break-even proposition. The idea that this might arrive towards the end of summer makes me happy.
I agree though that it will be months in shipping out and those months will be torture, especially for RoW backers both for the wait (customs forms are more time-consuming than "slap on a label"; sorry) and for the tax bill from your friendly local gougers (especially in the UK from what I hear, where you pay tax and a fee for the privilege of paying the tax). Now I'm sad again...
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Post by: Baragash
The fee is a fixed £8, it's the bonanza of how much the custom charge is going to come through at that we're all..........eagerly anticipating.
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Post by: Still Standing
Have we heard of anything about the resin production, for those of us who ordered everything in the only medium miniatures should be produced in?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 Still Standing wrote:Have we heard of anything about the resin production, for those of us who ordered everything in the only medium miniatures should be produced in?
That's not how you spell metal.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Compiling Adam's latest comments:
Adam Poots wrote:Micro-Update! All files for print, have been delivered to the printer! All plastic production is finished and in the hands of the printers. We are now moving into the printing and packing phase. This week, we are taking it a little easy here at the studio. It was MAX effort right up to the finish line and we are all pretty exhausted. Next update "soon".
To the comment about Adam & team taking a breather:
Adam Poots wrote:@Thantsatic, now we will be following up with the printer until everything is ready to load and ship out. Following that. Fulfillment.
To the question about "all" only waiting on print:
Adam Poots wrote:@Herrflik, yes that is correct. To be hyper specific, I think there are still 17,000 some odd bases that are being shot and then sent over to the printers. I need to follow up tonight and see exactly where that is. But all the sprues, for everything, have been shot. Its an intense, intense amount of plastic.
This is all very good. Adam is bringing KDM to End of Job, and that's fantastic. I can hardly wait until it arrives sometime this summer.
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Post by: Spellbound
Is there a way to double check what we ordered so we make sure we get everything?
It's been so long since I helped on the kickstarter that now I'm starting to question which things I selected.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
You should be able to go into the Pledge Manager to see your initial order. Oddly, my order doesn't show my subsequent pledge when I reopened. Wierd.
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Post by: BrookM
2015 may be the year of my Kickstarters turning up. Last week I finally got my Raging Heroes pledge and now Kingdom Death is getting really close to reaching the finish line. It's scary! 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm expecting to receive Forgotten King, Zombicide 3.2, and Journey before Kingdom Death. If Conan also delivers in 2015, that would be amazing.
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Post by: Dentry
Have you begun construction on the warehouse needed to store, display, and enjoy your impending windfall of miniatures?
I'm thinking the remodeled hangar I've been working on might not be big enough.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to hide it from the wife!
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Post by: Alpharius
I hear you there!
The size of the box I'll be getting from KD:M is going to be...on the large side.
Especially if everything is shipping in 'retail packaging' - which given what we know of Adam, I'd bet will be happening!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'm quite frightened of this showing up.
Words were already had towards me when boxes for all the various CMON campaigns kept showing up.
Then again, those complaints all seem to disappear as soon as I remind her my pledge usually is paid off if I sell any extra promos I get...
I don't think I'll be parting with Kingdom Death stuff though.
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Post by: BrookM
Around here they know the boxes will one day come. We're just not looking forward to the customs bills when that day comes. 
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
First, you'll need a cow. Then you'll need a surgical kit.
Or, if she is as uninterested as my wife is, you just bring in the already opened box and say, "I'm so glad I found these again. I've been looking for this box for years. Want to paint some of them with me? No? Okay, I'll just paint them while you get that mani-pedi and long bath you've wanted all week. I'll bring you a glass of wine just as soon as I put this box down."
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Bob's got the right idea.
I shall try this plan out.
Only problem is my kids ratting me out.
"Daddy didn't have that box before! That's a new one! Everyone knows his Kickstarter boxes are in the spare bedroom, not the garage! I saw him lugging it in from the front porch!"
I can totally picture my son spilling the beans. Kid's honest to a fault it seems.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Alpharius wrote:
I hear you there!
The size of the box I'll be getting from KD:M is going to be...on the large side.
Especially if everything is shipping in 'retail packaging' - which given what we know of Adam, I'd bet will be happening!
I'm expecting something like a 2-foot cube, based on all of the expansions that I ordered. It will be glorious. And exceedingly difficult to hide.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote:Then again, those complaints all seem to disappear as soon as I remind her my pledge usually is paid off if I sell any extra promos I get...
I don't think I'll be parting with Kingdom Death stuff though.
Same. Selling of the Relic Knights and Zombicide 2 extras allowed me to bump my KD pledge from the Game to Herald of Death, and I'll be doing the same with my Zombicide 3 extras.
I am not a speculartoer, and did not buy KD stuff to resell -- all of that stuff is for ME! 
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Or, if she is as uninterested as my wife is, you just bring in the already opened box and say, "I'm so glad I found these again. I've been looking for this box for years.
I've tried that, but I only have so many boxes to swap back and forth...
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Post by: Krinsath
That's when you can show her the date the KickStarter closed. "See honey? This box has been here for YEARS; you... *sniff* you just don't pay attention to anything that matters to me." and then leave.
She'll roll her eyes and ignore you with a "whatever" but that's a win still.
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Post by: Baragash
Krinsath wrote:That's when you can show her the date the KickStarter closed. "See honey? This box has been here for YEARS; you... *sniff* you just don't pay attention to anything that matters to me." and then leave.
She'll roll her eyes and ignore you with a "whatever" but that's a win still.
It's almost like you stole my life
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Krinsath wrote:That's when you can show her the date the KickStarter closed. "See honey? This box has been here for YEARS; you... *sniff* you just don't pay attention to anything that matters to me." and then leave.
She'll roll her eyes and ignore you with a "whatever" but that's a win still.
I guess that's one good thing for late kickstarters.
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Post by: Elemental
You've already spent so much, what's a little more on an appropriate bribe?
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Post by: gunslingerpro
 Elemental wrote:
You've already spent so much, what's a little more on an appropriate bribe?
Forget the bribe, the honest ones always spill, whether they mean to or not. Best shot is to distract him. Get him a new videogame/book/toy then sneak it in when he's engrossed.
Trust me, worked on my kid brother constantly
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Bob's got the right idea.
I shall try this plan out.
Only problem is my kids ratting me out.
"Daddy didn't have that box before! That's a new one! Everyone knows his Kickstarter boxes are in the spare bedroom, not the garage! I saw him lugging it in from the front porch!"
I can totally picture my son spilling the beans. Kid's honest to a fault it seems.
Kids can't rat you out if their mouths are full of cookies. Delicious, distracting cookies.
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Post by: Absolutionis
From an unofficial source, supposedly there will be an update tomorrow:
Max Nash on Kickstarter wrote:From a message from Adam (Hi Adam! Thanks for the speedy reply! <3) there will apparently be an update tomorrow. So, there you go.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/comments
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Post by: Alpharius
This is good news - maybe we'll even get something that appears like a real ship date too?
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Post by: Victorraven
Personally dislike when this sort of information comes out; I think it happened before the last update to.
I hope it happens but for a bit I was super happy Adam had gone with the "soon" idea of stating when updates would be instead of specific dates which he is known for being late on.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Victorraven wrote:Personally dislike when this sort of information comes out; I think it happened before the last update to.
I hope it happens but for a bit I was super happy Adam had gone with the "soon" idea of stating when updates would be instead of specific dates which he is known for being late on.
That's probably the reason he doesn't give dates prior to updates anymore.
That being said, people like me still prefer potentially false hope over no hope.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
If we happen to hear something solid by the end of this week, I'd be pumped.
As such, I'll hold my excitement until Saturday morning.
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Post by: Piperi
Update #95
Apr 8 2015
Back to the Backers!
First and foremost,
Please update your shipping address here: backer.kingdomdeath.com
If you are a webstore (black friday) or paypal backer and do not have access, message me immediately.
This just came in this morning. Please note its only a schedule for printing production for the core game. It is not the shipping or fulfillment dates.
A lot of stuff happened in the past 2 months.
We met our print deadline, mentioned last update.
Plastic production is now 100% finished and it has been transported to the company handling the printing and packaging.
Core Game packaging has been approved by me, I’ve been given a timeline. (see above!)
Our Tray that holds the game components is done and it's awesome.
All the files for the expansions have been checked and evaluated by the printing company. We aim to sign off on the fine details this week.
Challenge scenarios got another round of polish.
Actually played some games besides Kingdom Death. Of the bunch, Core World and Power Grid were the favorites.
Starting to lay down the ground work for projects that will support Kingdom Death:Monster. Such as video tutorials, an online glossary and some form of a message board.
I slept.
The game box has been finalized! Its huge, heavy and I couldn't resist going for a black on black design. If I saw this game on a shelf as a kid, I would have killed myself pulling it down to check out. Clearly, this makes it the perfect box for Kingdom Death: Monster.
Here is a quick peak at the Gorm Sprue. I'll go over the Gorm Expansion next update!
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Wow, that box is heavy!
I can hardly believe that we are in the closing stages now, hopefully it won't be too long before I receive my rather large parcel, hopefully without an equally large customs bill.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Looking at the card storage, wow.
I wonder how the models store. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Wow, that box is heavy!
I can hardly believe that we are in the closing stages now, hopefully it won't be too long before I receive my rather large parcel, hopefully without an equally large customs bill.
Just barely over half the weight of Ogre DE.
If we look at timelines with batch 1 finishing late May, with time on the water and distribution via WGF USA, we're probably looking at late June / early July for initial backer shipments. That is generally consistent with what Adam had suggested earlier. I think the bulk of backers receive in 2015 Q3 ending Sep 30 - so this is well before the holiday season hits.
With Gencon running July 30 to Aug 2, I think it's pretty clear that Adam will demo (and should sell) during the show.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
My god, it's beautiful. :')
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It would be awesome to see this stuff at gencon. Would look forward to meeting him there too.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My God, It's Full Of Stars......
and looks a lot like the Monolith too
I shall cross my fingers for an Xmas delivery so I'm not dissapointed
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Post by: DaveC
On model storage he said
3) The large monsters will not fit in the box once assembled. All the survivors will tho. There is actually a fully separate box, that all the sprues come in. Its the entire size of the box and 2” thick.
Also there are 3 new miniatures in the store and a restock of the Satan twins and Flower witch
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Oh, if my retailer has this then poor wallet
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I've just gone to place an order at the store for two figures, when I get to the checkout I'm being charged $46.50 for shipping.
$46.50
There is no alternative, cheaper shipping option. I've always felt that shipping was a little high for multiple figures, but this is a bad joke. It used to be less than half that figure IIRC.
Am I missing something?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No that's it at the moment,
although the much cheaper (untracked) USPS first class option is still mentioned on the site it doesn't seem to come up as an option
so it's either a policy change (maybe too many 'lost' orders from the untracked service means it became uneconomic)
or a glitch in the store (I've contacted them just in case)
I hope it's the latter but I fear it's the former
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Well, I placed the order anyway. I'm ashamed of myself, I know that I shouldn't have but I couldn't help myself, like some kind of junkie.
I feel sore and abused (or "butthurt" as Poots would say), yet I only have myself to blame.
...
If the more expensive shipping is a policy change because of people abusing Paypal Chargebacks, why not allow customers with existing, blemish-free records to choose the cheaper, untracked shipping option?
At this point it would be cheaper to simply wait and buy from ebay re-sellers, especially after customs & Royal Mail have had their pound of flesh too.
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Post by: Krinsath
If I remember correctly, and I may not, this year saw a massive surge in the cost of international shipping from the US that hits small orders particularly hard. Basically the way things sounded to be working is that there's essentially a flat carriage fee to transport a box that gets slapped onto things which is extortionately high for something small, but goes up very slowly in comparison to the size of the shipment. In other words, big orders (i.e. - bulk orders by a group of people) cost about what they did before, huge (i.e. - commercial/distribution) orders work out to be a slight bit cheaper, but small orders (i.e. - consumers) are now vastly more expensive.
Now, if my admittedly faulty memory is correct this was in the context of US/Canada, but if they're doing it for a border that amounts to a polite wave and drive-through I imagine that adding an ocean to the mix doesn't improve things. Not living outside the colonies I don't often price out international shipping, but usually the cost puts me off ordering from the EU for the reasons you describe; for the cost of shipping I could buy another set of whatever I was looking at from the UK if I find a US distributor, which is typically not that hard.
KD is obviously not going to be something that works out for though.
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Post by: cincydooley
@Krinsath -- I think you're right there.
I know they're also charging "large package fees" regardless of weight. I believe if you have one side over 24" you're automatically charged this.
I had it happen to me about 4 weeks ago and it bumped the shipping fee up by like, $18.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I don't think that's the whole story regarding shipping from the USA to the UK.
I received a parcel containing 10 metal figures from Red Box Games recently, also in the USA.
The parcel from RBG weighed more, yet only cost a fraction of the KD shipping price.
If Tre can ship for a fair price, why can't Poots?
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Post by: Alpharius
Interesting comments from...the comments section:
@Michael Portillo, the tray cavaties are wide enough to fit sleeved cards.
Apr 8 2015 on #95: from the project Kingdom Death : Monster
@Joshua, Not yet. I just approved the quotes today and we should have a schedule soon. @Herrflik, those dates are when the listed units would be complete and ready to ship out of their factory. @Charles Davies, 1) Card are bridge sized. “3.25 x 2.5” euro game card sleeves fit them. Here at the studio we use these “Fantasy Flight - Standard European Board Game Sleeves “ 2) Sure. I’ll post the specs of each expansion in the upcoming updates. 3) The large monsters will not fit in the box once assembled. All the survivors will tho. There is actually a fully separate box, that all the sprues come in. Its the entire size of the box and 2” thick. @Martin Lymer, these cards are digital proofs. They are printed on our final cardstock, which is a thick greycore. However they are not the final offset printed versions. They are about as thick as our character cards we send out with resin miniatures. @Shawn Signor, behind them. I would estimate around a month. But I don’t have a schedule yet. @Jason Hsu, because the resin beta still requires all of the print material, we have to wait until the first round of production is complete. Then we can airship them over and finally get these rewards out to you! @DSMiles, yes. Much ambition. Very foolish. But AMAZING!!!!
Apr 8 2015 on #95: from the project Kingdom Death : Monster
@Matthew Aslin, I’ll be closing in on fulfillment details over the next 2 months. I need to balance what is fiscally possible vs how to get everyone this game as soon as humanly possible. I want you guys to play it, I NEED you guys to play it! @Stuart Lacy, I am not sure. I might have an update on specifically that subject. @Joseph Blackett, Thank you. @Shawn Signor, haha we’ll just have to wait and see! @Aaron Farrington, yes, everything is locked down and units have been not only ordered, but physically produced. @Samuel A, send an email to support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com @StillAlive, Fedex and express usps services require it. Depending on what courier we end up using for fulfillment it is data that we require. Holding up the process because several people have left it off would be a bummer. @Luke Roberts, haha. Its all good. I think its important that people air their opinions and I generally do not take personal offense to what people say. I understand that I am the “face” of the company and I would rather be available to hear the raw honesty then to subject fans to isolation or the feeling that no one is ever listening to them. @Phillip, its true. I really should only stick to hard facts.
Apr 9 2015 on #95: from the project Kingdom Death : Monster
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Shipping has not only seen a shift in rates, but most carriers are also moving to Dimensional Weight as another way to jack prices up. Bigger boxes cost dramatically more then smaller boxes.
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Post by: BrookM
Good thing shipping fees have been locked down back then, I'd hate having to pay even more on top of the inevitable customs fees.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, but being near to 2 years (give or take) late is going to hit his bottom line hard due to shipping costs increasing between then and whenever this thing finally ships!
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Post by: BrookM
Sorry, but that's not my problem if I may be blunt about it. He made his monster grow to these proportions over time, not us.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm not saying it is our problem, I just do feel a little bad for him about it.
Hopefully he's able to negotiate some sort of mass shipping discount deal with the USPS or UPS or someone to help mitigate it.
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Post by: BrookM
This was something he had quite a bit of time for to look into and IIRC he deemed it too much work or the like to get set up, so he'd ship everything directly from the US instead.
edit.
Before I sound like a totes jerk, this project is still the one I am looking forward to the most out of all projects I've backed to date.
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 BrookM wrote:Sorry, but that's not my problem if I may be blunt about it. He made his monster grow to these proportions over time, not us.
Would you say the shipping costs hurt like a swarm of skeletal baby hands prying open an anus?
Just trying to keep it on topic.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
Yeah, they certainly have.
Especially for 'oddly shaped' and/or 'larger' boxes!
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Post by: BrookM
Alpharius wrote: BrookM wrote:
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
Yeah, they certainly have.
Especially for 'oddly shaped' and/or 'larger' boxes!
I'd say ouch, but you guys all got free shipping! Automatically Appended Next Post:  BobtheInquisitor wrote:Would you say the shipping costs hurt like a swarm of skeletal baby hands prying open an anus?
A new expansion is born.
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Post by: cincydooley
BrookM wrote:
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
There's been a significant increase in cost for "large parcels."
It's going to cost him a lot. A whole lot.
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Post by: rox
 cincydooley wrote: BrookM wrote:
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
There's been a significant increase in cost for "large parcels."
It's going to cost him a lot. A whole lot.
It will be costing him an arm and a leg, but I believe I've read "somewhere" that he had set aside a healthy amount just for shipping.
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Post by: Wehrkind
BrookM wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Would you say the shipping costs hurt like a swarm of skeletal baby hands prying open an anus?
A new expansion is born.
Oh, things will be expanding, alright.
Also, I need to go throw up a little now.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That comment about the base game's sprues coming in a separate box just as big and 2 inches thick is awesome and quite frightening.
16 pounds too? How much was Cthulhu Wars?
My mind still boggles at how much content this will have in there. To think how big each expansion will be...
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Post by: Piston Honda
cincydooley wrote: BrookM wrote:
Out of curiosity though, has US domestic shipping also seen a rise in price, or just all foreign shipping fees?
There's been a significant increase in cost for "large parcels."
It's going to cost him a lot. A whole lot.
Significant is an understatement.
sent a tiny box to Australia, ~20 bucks was the cheapest rate, and is probably a 1/4 or a 1/5 of the kingdom death box.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Had to get a storm knight when they restocked. Loved that model when I saw it, was very sad I didn't jump on it the first time.
Debated getting the Smoke Knight, but held off for now.
Seriously though, I have no idea how/where I'm going to store this beast. I'm running out of hobby storage already in my (admittedly small) apartment.
Perhaps if I dispose of the Mrs' shoes....
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Do what I did Gunslinger- purge all the unimportant games and junk, then offer to use that money to buy more shoes for the Mrs. !
That way you totally catch her off guard, she's happy you've cleaned house and dabbled in her interests/ pampered her more, and she's got no room to complain when you fill that temporary void with the mammoth box this game will be arriving in.
If the base game alone is 16 pounds, is that without the plastic as well, since that's got its own separate box? What about all the expansions? I doubt I'm the only one who ordered all the extra gameplay bits.
I cannot wait to see the final wait on that box. Woe to any mail carrier who has to lug that sucker up flights of stairs!
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Post by: Elemental
Without wanting to jinx anything, does anyone know what the status of the game after KS fulfillment will be? Say I really like the game and want to pick up the expansions I didn't back. Will that be feasible, or will they be on the "limited edition at unpredictable intervals, on the webstore for two hours before selling out" model?
Apologies if this was officially answered somewhere and I missed it, there's rather a lot to dredge through.
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Post by: BrookM
It will be interesting to see how the game will pick up post project, especially now that the core game has grown into such monstrous proportions.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Elemental wrote:Without wanting to jinx anything, does anyone know what the status of the game after KS fulfillment will be? Say I really like the game and want to pick up the expansions I didn't back. Will that be feasible, or will they be on the "limited edition at unpredictable intervals, on the webstore for two hours before selling out" model?
Apologies if this was officially answered somewhere and I missed it, there's rather a lot to dredge through.
I thought he stated the expansions will be done in plastic and available for sale at a later date, but at a much higher price (obviously). Don't recall a specific update/comment, but I remember feeling re-assured that I didn't add all of the expansions to my KS.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
they'll be up on his website (and most likely CMON and his Japanese stockist),
but how many there will be, and whether hang around or if they'll vanish like tears in rain when the re-sellers get at them it's very hard to say,
it's certainly less likely with plastic than the LE resin,
but on the other hand with plastic sprue minimum production runs tending to be in 1000s whether he'll re-print in any bearable time frame if they do go out of print I guess overall sales will determine
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Post by: Bioptic
Right, although to me there's a difference between "£30 single-figure expansion I can order from Amazon with free postage, perhaps even with a 20% discount", which I would wince at but possibly go for sporadically, and "$50 single-expansion figure on Poot's webstore, with $40 shipping + 20% VAT and an £8 handling fee waiting for me".
I'm not saying that Adam should be heavily discounting or aiming to fully cater to a worldwide market, but I do think that your chances are about as good with eBay resellers at that point as they are ordering direct - they'll already have at least 100% markup on their Kickstarter goods, even if they sell at RRP, and least you might be able to buy from within the EU.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
I keep looking at the beautiful resins I'll never attempt to paint and remembering 'I've got a massive box full of plastic versions of this coming.' Which reminded me, we're in the midst of the two month fulfillment window.
I return from Spain June 1st. What are the odds we have an update by then?
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Post by: Dentry
Not very good, I'd wager.
So end of May for the first set of games. If that stays on schedule, then we might get an update by June 1st.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
If the first lot is produced by May 22, I would expect an unboxing Update within a few days of that.
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Post by: DaveC
This is from the May releases email
Kickstarter & Pre-orders
We are waiting on some news from our printer before we post the next kickstarter update. In our next push, we will be asking everyone to verify their shipping address. Things are getting close and its extremely exciting.
We will be opening the door to public pre-orders once the fulfillment plan has been squared away. This will finally give all of the people that missed out, a chance to pick up the game and get it just behind all the backers that have been patiently waiting for its completion.
There is no set date for when pre-orders will open yet. Thank you.
When will my order ship?
High volume sales may cause shipping delays. Generally we pack and ship orders daily, however during new releases we estimate shipping delays up to 2 weeks. We apologize, please be kind to Joe as he processes and packs your order. Here is his direct line joe@kingdomdeath.com. Thank you!
KD:M Pledge Manager Issues
Please write any of your pledge manager issues to: support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com
Be as descriptive as possible and make sure to include your pledge receipt# that was given to you when you confirmed your pledge.
Backer Change of Address
Please visit backer.kingdomdeath.com to update your mailing address. If you are a bronze, silver or gold backer (from the black friday webstore promotion) contact joe@kingdomdeath.com for details on how to log in. Thank you!
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Post by: Alpharius
This was the interesting bit for me:
We are waiting on some news from our printer before we post the next kickstarter update. In our next push, we will be asking everyone to verify their shipping address. Things are getting close and its extremely exciting.
So given the last schedule we saw, we should have an update early next week?
I like the new miniatures shown here, but 'no game content' means an easy 'pass' for me on them - for now!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Alpharius wrote:This was the interesting bit for me:
We are waiting on some news from our printer before we post the next kickstarter update. In our next push, we will be asking everyone to verify their shipping address. Things are getting close and its extremely exciting.
So given the last schedule we saw, we should have an update early next week?
I like the new miniatures shown here, but 'no game content' means an easy 'pass' for me on them - for now!
Hopefully, of course it may take a few extra days for him to compose it.
Has he mentioned anything about previewing this game at gencon? Seems like the times may work out.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
It could be that he is wanting to announce things being ready to preview / pickup / purchase at GenCon.
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Post by: Cyporiean
He'd need to have a booth at Gen Con for that to happen, which he doesn't.
CMON will probably have a few random models, but I doubt they've got the space to host a KD launch event.. especially when its still incredibly up in the air that it'd even be ready in time.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
JohnHwangDD wrote:It could be that he is wanting to announce things being ready to preview / pickup / purchase at GenCon.
The CMoN booth usually sells his resins and such every year anyway. I don't know if he'll be using them as a distributor for KD:Monster down the line though.
I was mostly hoping for a demo of the game itself, maybe some expansions for sale if the kickstarter stuff is delivered by then. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Cyporiean wrote:He'd need to have a booth at Gen Con for that to happen, which he doesn't.
CMON will probably have a few random models, but I doubt they've got the space to host a KD launch event.. especially when its still incredibly up in the air that it'd even be ready in time.
Their booth usually runs four or five demo games at a time don't they? I seem to recall them having a huge booth.
This is all just wishful thinking on my part anyway.
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Post by: cincydooley
If we somehow have copies by then, Sinful, we can sit down and muddle through it.
CMoN should be demoing:
Wrath of Kings
Dark Age
B*Sieged
Zombicide
Xenoshyft
The Others
Rivet Wars
Kaosball
Dogs of War
I'm sure there will be one or two surprises, too.
Additionally, CMoN will be doing a CATAN-Like thing at GenCon this year where you can play their games and earn prizes for collecting so many badges, I believe. I'll know more about how that works after we do it at Origins, so I'll let everyone know.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Sinful Hero wrote:
Cyporiean wrote:He'd need to have a booth at Gen Con for that to happen, which he doesn't.
CMON will probably have a few random models, but I doubt they've got the space to host a KD launch event.. especially when its still incredibly up in the air that it'd even be ready in time.
Their booth usually runs four or five demo games at a time don't they? I seem to recall them having a huge booth.
This is all just wishful thinking on my part anyway.
Yeah, they've got a fairly big space this year, but a little smaller then they usually get. Lots of issues this year with folks getting smaller booths then requested or no booths at all.
And like Cincy's list shows, they've got enough to demo/sell of their own stuff.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
cincydooley wrote:If we somehow have copies by then, Sinful, we can sit down and muddle through it.
CMoN should be demoing:
Wrath of Kings
Dark Age
B*Sieged
Zombicide
Xenoshyft
The Others
Rivet Wars
Kaosball
Dogs of War
I'm sure there will be one or two surprises, too.
Additionally, CMoN will be doing a CATAN-Like thing at GenCon this year where you can play their games and earn prizes for collecting so many badges, I believe. I'll know more about how that works after we do it at Origins, so I'll let everyone know.
I had forgotten about all those kickstarters. They probably will have their hands full demoing all that. Kinda insane they'll have room for it all.
Cyporiean wrote: Sinful Hero wrote:
Cyporiean wrote:He'd need to have a booth at Gen Con for that to happen, which he doesn't.
CMON will probably have a few random models, but I doubt they've got the space to host a KD launch event.. especially when its still incredibly up in the air that it'd even be ready in time.
Their booth usually runs four or five demo games at a time don't they? I seem to recall them having a huge booth.
This is all just wishful thinking on my part anyway.
Yeah, they've got a fairly big space this year, but a little smaller then they usually get. Lots of issues this year with folks getting smaller booths then requested or no booths at all.
And like Cincy's list shows, they've got enough to demo/sell of their own stuff.
What was going on with the space issues? Poor planning on the convention's part?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
JohnHwangDD wrote:It could be that he is wanting to announce things being ready to preview / pickup / purchase at GenCon.
Cyporiean wrote:He'd need to have a booth at Gen Con for that to happen, which he doesn't.
That's a missed opportunity given that he looks to be ready to hit the Holiday 2015 retail season. Hopefully, he's partnered with someone else at GenCon to at least do some demos.
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Post by: Cyporiean
JohnHwangDD wrote:
That's a missed opportunity given that he looks to be ready to hit the Holiday 2015 retail season. Hopefully, he's partnered with someone else at GenCon to at least do some demos.
Eh, he would have had to have attempted to book the booth at the show last year, and then might not have lucked out. They pretty much only gave booths to folks who were there last year. The only reason we ended up getting a booth is because Bombshell minis sold us their spot.
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Post by: Alpharius
Today is a Major Milestone day!
Hopefully it was reached - and hopefully we'll get an Update...Soon!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Next Update is supposed to be the Gorm Expansion, which I am excited about.
Soon, please.
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Post by: zedmeister
Not sure if it's new or not, but a Verify Address option has appeared in the pledge manager. Doesn't seem to do much as yet
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Post by: zedmeister
Some choice comments
Next update will have our fulfillment plan and dates. I am awaiting a core game production sample that meets our shared expectations and demands before I can make said announcements. Small rewards (pinups, promos, separate armor kits) is now in our personal warehouse and we are packing them ourselves. We have to sit tight until the printer finishes their job.
@Brian Moran, sure Brian. I'll include them in the update. @Murray Quarmby, I received a production sample on time. There were a few issues with it that got past their internal QC. Including the Vac-Tray being crushed under the weight of the content in the box, something we wouldn't know until samples made their journey over the sea. There has been some back and forth over the last few weeks as we resolved the issues. @AGN1964, the most important and really the only news we all need to hear is that containers have been loaded and are on a boat.
@Rinion to be 100% clear. We are currently waiting for a final production unit to approve. Once approved units WILL BE loaded onto a boat.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Good to hear. Sounds like the end is nigh! The Monsterpocalypse will soon be upon our doorsteps!!! Repent now, or be forever damned!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Kingdom Death wrote:@Larabic, no. It should still be this summer.
Just a few more months? OK!
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Post by: Alpharius
So that must meant he update will be within a few weeks max?
Unless that 'still this summer' means 'getting on the boat' this summer and not 'delivering to all you backers' this summer?
I guess I'm asking - what did 'Larabic' ask?
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Post by: BrookM
Late Summer for the US, maybe early Fall for ROW, if we're being awfully optimistic.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Larabic was assuming KD:M was pushing to 2016, and Adam responded with Summer 2015.
I'm assuming the first container (US) hits the water at the end of summer, with end delivery (US) through the fall.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Has he given any indication on who's will go out first? Such as simplest to most complex, or vice versa?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
My sense is that US will go first, what with the US being his largest market, where he has the most experience. He as enough on his plate for end delivery, without adding international complications to boot (soon, though). Let's just see some stuff in backer hands!
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Post by: Alpharius
If you're thinking that the boats get loaded by the end of summer, well there's no way it is delivering in "Summer 2015"!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
He said as soon as he says okay to the final production sample the containers will be up on a ship. Also he seems to have everything but the Core game in his hands I believe? 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
If Adam receives the production-ready sample this week...
- 1st container hits the water in mid-July
- arrival in the US in mid-August
- ready for distribution late August
- first backers receive by early September
It's barely possible for someone to receive something by Sep 1, but things need to line up just so, with basically no slack for that to happen.
I'm still hopeful for Summer / Q3.
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Post by: Alpharius
Summer and Q3 are so close together...hmmm...
Well, anyway, I hope so too!
At this point, I'd be pretty happy to get that next update, a proposed ship date and some more preview pics!
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Post by: Victorraven
The "soon" update should hopefully shed some light onto the matter; however I find it doubtful especially as in the comments Adam hasn't yet really mentioned the expansions so who knows if we are gonna be waiting for those.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think we'll all be getting one shipment - one really, really big shipment.
Because otherwise, given that the budget was for shipping - what, two years ago?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Victorraven wrote:The "soon" update should hopefully shed some light onto the matter; however I find it doubtful especially as in the comments Adam hasn't yet really mentioned the expansions so who knows if we are gonna be waiting for those.
Did he not say he had everything but the Core box?
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Post by: Krinsath
Sinful Hero wrote: Victorraven wrote:The "soon" update should hopefully shed some light onto the matter; however I find it doubtful especially as in the comments Adam hasn't yet really mentioned the expansions so who knows if we are gonna be waiting for those.
Did he not say he had everything but the Core box?
I saw where they have the promos, pin-ups and separate armor kits, but I don't recall where he said they had the full-on expansions.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The printing on the expansions was scheduled to be after the main game stuff from what I remember so he's unlikely to have them,
but they could have been/are being done depending on what needed sorting from the main game box, if it was just the vacuform tray and other non printing stuff, thye might well have moved on,
if he's waiting on changes to the printed content he'll probably wait till that's right before moving to the expansions (to avoid the same problems there)
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Post by: Victorraven
Yea the comment only mention small add-ons not expansions so who knows as far as if those are fully printed.
I really don't see getting it all in Sept. BUT WHOOO KNOWS
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Post by: Sinful Hero
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The printing on the expansions was scheduled to be after the main game stuff from what I remember so he's unlikely to have them,
but they could have been/are being done depending on what needed sorting from the main game box, if it was just the vacuform tray and other non printing stuff, thye might well have moved on,
if he's waiting on changes to the printed content he'll probably wait till that's right before moving to the expansions (to avoid the same problems there)
To be fair I don't think any of the expansions weigh 18lbs, so they probably won't have the same problem as the core game.
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Post by: -DE-
Finally, it ends...
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Post by: Alpharius
We're not there yet!
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Post by: BrookM
Not by a long shot.
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Post by: -DE-
So you're saying... it's just the beginning? 
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Post by: BrookM
The beginning of the end may be upon us, soon™
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Don't be bringing that palladium trademark crap in here! 
Poots may be running late, but at least his updates have some content!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
when the shipping starts that's when it's going to get scary
1000s of fanatics, all wanting their goodies NOW (well they're shipping aren't they, webstore X gets stuff to me in a couple of days, why can't KD do the same)
tens of thousands of 'I haven't got my tracking email yet' messages
hundreds of thousands of 'can you tell me where I am in the queue' emails (perhaps I exaggerate a bit here)
a few dozen 'what this is shipping, I never got to pick what I wanted' responses (I bet I'm right here, people eh?)
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Post by: DaveC
True true at least there won't be the complaints of I can walk into my local store and buy this now what gives?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:when the shipping starts that's when it's going to get scary
1000s of fanatics, all wanting their goodies NOW (well they're shipping aren't they, webstore X gets stuff to me in a couple of days, why can't KD do the same)
tens of thousands of 'I haven't got my tracking email yet' messages
hundreds of thousands of 'can you tell me where I am in the queue' emails (perhaps I exaggerate a bit here)
a few dozen 'what this is shipping, I never got to pick what I wanted' responses (I bet I'm right here, people eh?)
Always, everytime. I still don't understand how people forget about pledges. Maybe losing contact with the internet for awhile due to various reasons, but never responding to pick rewards? Strange how often creators mention it.
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Post by: rox
From the Kickstarter comments, more news!
Hello! Just wanted to let everyone know that we have resolved the print issues that were holding up the core game production (Vac-Tray not sturdy enough, a few discolored assets). Provided the new production sample I will receive shortly is correct. I can give the printers the big thumbs up and they will have everything ready to leave china, over the course of july. Everything except those few assets are already produced, so they just need to pack up the fixes and it's finally... done! I have a key meeting our leading fulfillment partner tomorrow and he will give me estimates based on freight arrival times. We will have an update soon that will be giving everyone a final deadline for adjusting their shipping address.
@Xavier, I am doing everything in my power to stick to our current estimate of Kingdom Death summer 2015!
@Biggies, pretty much all non essential marketing is on hold until I don't have to manage this facet of the project anymore. I'll have a lot more time to do more fun updates once boats are loaded and we are in a final countdown. Those big image and content filled updates take days to put together.
@Chris Vazquez, in regards to the expansions, all of the miniatures are done (have been done for ages now) and are sitting in the printers warehouse. We received and reviewed the physical proofs for all the expansion printed content (its a lot!) and had 4 small revisions. Simple stuff like, wrong card back here, need x copies of this, etc. Once thats fixed, we approve it and move to production. I'll cover where we are with all of this with the next update. Its looking more and more likely that we will be shipping things from within different parts of the world. The game is just too large and heavy for any other solution to be cost effective! We finally have a motivated fulfillment partner that see's KD's value and is doing the logistical legwork for us.
It sounds very promising for a delivery before the end of the year I'm of the opinion that at best it will start to deliver at the very end of summer at best. From the looks of it we will have it before the end of the year though.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Glad to see everything is on track, and the wheels are in motion.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
That is some great news, even if it's not a formal Update.
I like the that Adam is still pushing for end of Summer, with everybody receiving by end of year. Yay!
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Post by: Dentry
I'll be home for Christmas
You can count on me
Please have snow and mistletoooe
I'll be home for Christmas
If only in my dreams
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Well he is asking for address finalization, so it must be quite close.
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Post by: Alpharius
He isn't quite asking for that yet though!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Yeah, he has to prepare an update for that.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
More from Adam today:
In response to a question who is picking and packing:
@Angelicus, I'll get more into the details of it. We are packing the "small rewards (pinups, promos, armor kits) from within our tiny warehouse and studio. Our partner would be handling the heavy loads. So where it counts, we are still managing it personally.
As I read that, KD:M is doing the little stuff, but has outsourced logistics of the large items (i.e. Game & Expansions) to a 3rd party.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Well I received one, not sure if anybody else did.
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Post by: Alpharius
You received one what?
A request to confirm your shipping address?
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Post by: BrookM
I got nothing. Not even a rock.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The moment Adam starts asking for address confirmation it will be all over the KS comments as a sign that movement is immanent,
but nothing so far so I assume it was an answer to a PM (or a post intended for a different thread)
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Post by: Bioptic
No, the email I got a few days ago was explicitly for Black Friday backers, and said that we had 10 days to confirm. This may be being sorted out earlier because they are completely fixed - you either got Survivor level, or Survivor + every expansion in plastic, or...everything made in plastic. No custom orders.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Yes to confirm my address, but it was indeed as a black Friday backer.
The only odd thing I found in the email was that it said I was not allowed to add more stuff but implied I could in the past, I thought black Friday backers were not allowed to add stuff.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Guys, thanks for clarifying it was for BF backers, only.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 PsychoticStorm wrote:Yes to confirm my address, but it was indeed as a black Friday backer.
The only odd thing I found in the email was that it said I was not allowed to add more stuff but implied I could in the past, I thought black Friday backers were not allowed to add stuff.
I don't think they ever were allowed to add on. HOw was it worded? It's possible he will use the same email for everyone, and Black Friday backers were a "test run" for confirmations.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
OMG, an official Update! Of sorts. Update #96 The Update to update you that an Update is coming soon! Hello! This might be our most silly update ever and that is ok. Because today, I APPROVED THE NEARLY 18lbs KINGDOM DEATH:MONSTER CORE GAME FOR FINAL ASSEMBLY! What does that mean? It means that in over at the factory in china that handled printing our massive rulebook, and nearly 1,000 game cards (also game board and token sheets) they are finally taking the huge stacks of all these printed assets and putting them into their final boxes, ready for shrink wrap and shipment. By the end of the week, we will be emailing EVERY backer with the shipping address we currently have on file. Your job will be simple, if there is a problem, let us know and we will fix it. Otherwise... you are all set! But Poots, When will fulfillment Start? Soon dear backers, very soon. This week I am finalizing the last few points on our fulfillment plan and then I will be able to make our big "fulfillment update". Complete with estimated delivery windows from the logistics partner company. Until then, my lips, or typing fingers are sealed. So please, manage your expectations! I'll also give a recap on what went down, which pushed us to basically be a month late on the print side of things. Not a big deal... just that the weight of the game contents were crushing the boxes internal vac tray... leading us to make it thicker and add cardboard supports under it. Our Shop! And yeah! We have some new resin miniatures released over at our store, the sales of resin miniatures has very much been supporting us! If you can imagine, a huge game + a ton of promos, pinups and expansions all taking their sweet time in production is not exactly... the best way to keep revenue flowing for our team. So really, a big super thank you to our resin's for carrying us! shop.kingdomdeath.com Pre Orders and Final Retail In the next update, which I'll call the fulfillment update. I will also reveal the final retail price of the Core Game and how pre-orders for our new non backer fans will go down. I still want to do everything I can to help support fans before retail, but there is no way, we can offer the game at the rate the backers got it. Which I personally feel, is totally fair. EMPTY HANDED!? So I am on my laptop right now, and don't have access to any "monster" stuff. So instead enjoy a random assortment of things "Kingdom Death" that you most certainly have not seen yet and will one day, be a formal part of the world!  Bone Witch, WIP!  The Mountain Man! Part of the reason there are no Male White Speakers...  The weapon designer of the Twilight Order! The mysterious man behind the creation of the Twilight Swords.  A gatherer from a settlement that Worships White Lions.  The Honeycomb Weaver, a new monster still under development. The thing on the end of its phallic-like appendage is a bee hive.  Ringtail Fox Survivors. A new expansion under development, that explores people living in underground tunnels below a dangerous swamp ruled by a great fox-like entity. Securing and expanding the underwater tunnels so you can increase your population capacity is one of the ideas going into this one.  I AM A DAD NOW!!!! Myself, a very jealous cat and Mr. Asher D. Poots!!! Hope Anna isn't too pissed I put this on the internet, I am just so happy! GORM EXPANSION ...will be included with the big fulfillment update. Everything has been 100% done for ages now, I just haven't had a chance to assemble the official models and photograph them / all that good stuff. !!!!!!!! P.S. If you have any issues / concerns. The BEST way to reach me or the team, is support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com This creates a ticket which we can track and ENSURE gets resolved. So I know its tempting to just hit me up here, or at any various email. But please, its really nice to have it all in one place. THANK YOU ALL! SERIOUSLY!!!!!
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is amazing news, because it means Adam really is on track to fulfill. Call it a month to assemble and another month to get things to the US, and we could start seeing backer receipt in September-October. I think it's now safe to assume all backers will receive late Q3-early Q4, so everybody should have their stuff by Holiday 2015. Yay!
Also, big congrats on Adam becoming a dad. I'm glad he's still working on KD:M, now that he's got a family to support.
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Post by: Dentry
First of all, congratulations to Adam on his first born. Live long and prosper, my friend.
Secondly, DEAR LORD. Is this real life?
The Twilight Knight weapon designer is striking all the right cords and so is that Honeycomb Weaver - the first truly genuine heebie jeebies a KD monster has given me. Kudos.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Congrats to Poots!
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Post by: cincydooley
So....before Christmas then?
Cool, cool.
I actually really like some of the new art. The Mountain Man looks like another masterpiece.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Comments has Adam saying that the previous schedule was pushed back by a month, @num, end of may - june was our packed and ready to load into containers date. its ended up being pushed back a month due to printer mistakes.
September deliveries for "Summer 2015" are barely possible, but somewhat unlikely. October / November / December shouldn't be an issue. The best part is that Adam is at a point that he can do an Update of any sort. Also, that we will see more Gorm stuff, which I am pretty geeked about.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
The man had a child during the creation and distribution of his creative brain child.
Suddenly I'm very impressed at how he has kept it all together!
That weapon maker though....
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Yeah, the new kid may explain some of his lack of updates. I'm amazed he didn't fall back on that as an excuse.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Sinful Hero wrote:Yeah, the new kid may explain some of his lack of updates. I'm amazed he didn't fall back on that as an excuse.
I'm glad he didn't cop his kid as an excuse, although I do believe that having a newborn may have taken his eye off the ball, resulting in part of the delay.
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Post by: BrookM
He's a professional through and through.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
He has also distraced us from the lack of a real update! Rabble rabble rabble!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
While I would love to see hard dates and such, the fact that Adam approved final assembly (i.e. boxing & shrink) is a pretty "real" to me. It means that Adam is done with production making stuff, and it's now moving over to fulfillment delivering stuff. That's a huge bridge to have crossed right there.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I was mostly just joking around. With 19 page updates from other kickstarters that say nothing about anything kickstarter related, it's quite nice to get some information from a creator.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Yeah, I saw the orkticons. I'm just super pumped that KD:M is going to deliver. I am still so excited for this!
Also, 19 pages of nothing? Are you a RRT backer?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
JohnHwangDD wrote:Yeah, I saw the orkticons. I'm just super pumped that KD:M is going to deliver. I am still so excited for this!
Also, 19 pages of nothing? Are you a RRT backer?
Luckily I dodged that bullet, but I do check in on it from time to time.
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Post by: Dentry
Don't worry. We'll have plenty to talk about soon™ enough what with the Kingdom Death: Heroes kickstarter launching as soon as fulfillment on this one is complete.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
KD : Heroes? Where was that announced?
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Post by: brrrmanza
Dentry wrote:Don't worry. We'll have plenty to talk about soon™ enough what with the Kingdom Death: Heroes kickstarter launching as soon as fulfillment on this one is complete.
I can't wait for that...
I do hope he gives us a solid 6-12 months with Monster to decide if Heroes is worth it to us!
I'm sure it'll be awesome, but I'm sure he'll want the feedback from us backers to help decide the system for heroes, especially if you go back and dig up the notes about KDH.
No officemate announcement, John. Just speculation.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I'm thinking that's a joke. At least I hope so- my wallet couldn't handle it.
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Post by: Dentry
There's never been an official statement on a KD: Heroes kickstarter, I believe. Just a few lines on the range being available at some point. Mostly conjecture? Been awhile.
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Post by: BrookM
Kingdom Death: Heroes?
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Post by: DaveC
The plan was that the next (full) game would focus on heroes rather than mere survivors it was mentioned during the KD:M KS I think the name KD:Heroes came from that and isn't necessarily official plus we are what nearly 3 years on. It's interesting to note that a lot of the more recent resin releases have focused on hero type characters and these would be prime candidates to convert to plastic for the game. It's still all very vague and I wonder if Poots even wants to go in that direction anymore Monster has been a lot of work may be getting a few smaller expansions out first and seeing what feedback is like first s the way to go.
this was posted about the Saviors (in July 2013)
Creator Kingdom Death about 11 hours ago
...Savior Super mode will not work in monster. The rapid aging is a feature of her extended character in the next Kingdom Death game, which focuses on the "hero" level humans, instead of the normal ones in KD:M.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Oh, OK, thanks for clarifying.
I think that a KD:Heroes KS would be possible, but I would prefer to see it as something much smaller in scope, things that can deliver with 12 months, without a lot of SGs that stretch fullfillment by years...
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Post by: Dentry
But that just wouldn't be Kingdom Death.
What would Adam do with all the money coming in post-stretchgoals?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
From Adam in the comments
he also says that Black Friday backers have had the 'Finalise your shipping Addressl' emails to test the robustness of their systems for sending it out to the rest of us
(he expect it to generate a flood of emails and I'm sure he's right)
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm so excited to see this!
And 17 lbs? That's a big baby!
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Post by: Alpharius
MA 17+ on the box, while not a surprise, will certainly limit sales to some extent going forward, I think!
I'm still not sure I'm keeping my game + all the expansions either.
1) I just don't know when and with who I'd eventually be playing this game with.
2) I'm tempted to just flip it on eBay
3) But I'm also really tempted to keep it and solo away - it has been a long journey after all...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
MA-17 won't actually limit sales at all. This is a hyper-niche product that sells overwhelmingly to adults, not teens. The sexy bits are relatively uncommon.
In my case, I'm planning to keep, even if I hardly ever play it.
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Post by: DaveC
A potential $250 retail price might be more of a limiting factor than a 17+ rating.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
DaveC wrote:A potential $250 retail price might be more of a limiting factor than a 17+ rating.
QFT!
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Post by: BrookM
Re: 17+ warning. It's a good thing he put on there, lest the moral guardians come across it and start waving their stupid books about while chanting "in the name of jesus down with this sort of thing, baaaaaaah!"
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Post by: Sinful Hero
For a second there I thought it was a tv screen previewing a video game, especially with the mature rating on the side. That box is massive.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Wait.. that's a gamebox? That's definately a TV :(
Quite impressive. The long wait is almost over.
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Post by: Dentry
The guy on the cover is a Survivor that just finished sifting through his KD pledge.
Wonder when we can expect an unboxing video.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It's going to be so tempting to watch them once they start happening..
but the risk somebody will let slip something I want to discover for myself.....
Aargh how to decide what to do
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Definitely saving all the surprises for myself.
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Post by: BrookM
Same here, plus I can't stand people smacking their gobs while talking about how bad their day was before holding sprues out of focus up to the camera for a few seconds.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Woo-hoo, I received my address confirmation e-mail, and everything looks correct.
With SDE:FK shipped, Journey ready to ship, and KD:M preparing tho ship, 2H is going to be very busy, indeed!
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Post by: BrookM
Same here, I'm even more pleased that they've included a rough shipping schedule, which praise be to the penis monsters and the bubbly titty girls, seems to be aiming for late September. Great, just great, I have two weeks off then!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Did you guys click the preorder link?
There's TONS of photos of the finished product.
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Post by: BrookM
Okay, next course of action, to find a source with magnets small enough to magnetize the heads of these minis.
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Post by: DaveC
$400 at the non discounted price!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
But if you order by July 19, you can get it for $275. That's a really big discount.
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Post by: Breotan
I'm feeling pretty giddy right now.
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Post by: Dentry
JohnHwangDD wrote:Woo-hoo, I received my address confirmation e-mail, and everything looks correct.
With SDE:FK shipped, Journey ready to ship, and KD:M preparing tho ship, 2H is going to be very busy, indeed!
Amen! The second half of 2015 is going to be very eventful hobbywise.
BrookM wrote:Same here, I'm even more pleased that they've included a rough shipping schedule, which praise be to the penis monsters and the bubbly titty girls, seems to be aiming for late September. Great, just great, I have two weeks off then!
I know it's childish and stupid, but I laughed way harder at your post than I should have. Exalted for that, sir.
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Post by: BrookM
I ask only to please.
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Post by: DaveC
I think Adam has just saved me €170 in VAT and fees! Happy days (mine will definitely be heavy )
..... We do have a warehouse in Germany and currently the heavy EU rewards will be fulfilled from there. I will go into hyper specific detail once I finish this big fulfillment update!
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Post by: BrookM
For realsies?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
That's awfully nice of him.
Anyone else see the "2x Mystery Figures" under box contents? Was that mentioned during the kickstarter?
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Post by: DaveC
Yep they have been mentioned in previous updates he even blanked them out on some of the sprue pictures to maintain the surprise.
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Post by: BrookM
Even more free minis and perhaps no customs fees..?
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Post by: Alpharius
Just got my "CONFIRM YOUR SHIPPING ADDRESSS" email - whoo hoo!
Probably going to sell my pledge (one of everything with game content, plus some pin-ups and other extras) - if anyone is interested, shoot me a PM...and an offer!
Pledge Reward Level Black Friday Launch Special - Survivor
Herald of Death Gift
KD: Monster Tshirt xl
Selected Options:
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Flower Knight Expansion
Dragon King Expansion
Gorm Major Expansion (includes Regeneration Suit)
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion
Spidicules Major Expansion
Sunstalker Major Expansion
Lion God Expansion
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion
Slender Man Expansion
The Lonely Tree Expansion
Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico
Promo: Candy and Cola
Promo: Kara Black
Messenger of Courage
Messenger of the Spiral Path
Messenger of the First Story
Messenger of Humanity
Rawhide Dame: Plastic
Phoenix Dancer: Plastic
Primal Huntress: Plastic
Sunstalker Dancer: Plastic
Twilight Witch: Plastic
Lantern Festival: Plastic
Spider Silk Assassin: Plastic
Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic
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Post by: BrookM
You.. you traitor..
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Is it now appropriate to list all the things?
- the Game
major expansions
- Dragon King
- Gorm
- Spidicules
- Sunstalker
minor expansions
- Flower Knight
- Lion Knight
- Manhunter
individual models
- Twilight Knight
- White Speaker
- Dragon Sacrifice
Now that it's going to ship, I realize I may have bitten off more than I can chew, at least for the immediate future. But I'm not planning to sell. Nope.
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Post by: BrookM
Same here, not looking forward to all those boxes and all those kits showing up. I'm going to need a lot of primer and magnets.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
No magnets for me - there are way too many little parts for that to be feasible. Even shoulders would be tough.
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Post by: BrookM
I'm just going to magnetize the heads, nothing else. I'm ambitious, not full of energy and spare time.
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Post by: endtransmission
JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it now appropriate to list all the things?
- the Game
major expansions
- Dragon King
- Gorm
- Spidicules
- Sunstalker
minor expansions
- Flower Knight
- Lion Knight
- Manhunter
individual models
- Twilight Knight
- White Speaker
- Dragon Sacrifice
Now that it's going to ship, I realize I may have bitten off more than I can chew, at least for the immediate future. But I'm not planning to sell. Nope.
You're missing a few others:
Dung Beetle Knight
Lion God
Lantern Festival
Lonely Tree
Slender Man
As I'm only really going to be playing this solo, my plan is to leave it all set up in my office and build/paint each model as it is needed, with the armour kits being used for those who have fallen. This may mean it may take some time to get to the bigger beasts...
I'd taken some time off work for Fallout 4. I suspect it will turn out to be KD:M week instead!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
"missing?"
Nah, I'm not *that* much of a completist.
I wavered back and forth over the other expansions, but ultimately decided against them. I unashamedly skew toward big toys over little toys, and the big monsters in the major expansions were more my taste. Nevertheless, I almost got the Dung Beetle Knight, but ultimately felt that the style of the Flower Knight and Lion Knight were more my taste.
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Post by: cincydooley
I don't think I want to post mine....
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Post by: endtransmission
I *think* I picked up everything with game content... but it has been so long I can't remember. This should be a nice, if rather large, parcel
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Post by: DaveC
Looks like it's split shipping with the expansions shipping later
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
Upcoming shipment is everything except expansions. Those are still in print and assembly. Tho the miniature production for them as been finished since feb 2015. I am happy with the factories we worked with, however in the future I can say I'll have a much better idea of what a "factories-timeline" actually looks like. Being that this is my first mass production product (and that its bigger and heavier then any similar game on the market) I shouldn't have taken the initial time estimates at face value. I am of course responsible in the end, I just thought some of you might like to know. No big deal!
It seems it might actually be cheaper to split the orders
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
... I honestly wish we could group them. But the box dimension and weight of a typical order took it to FREIGHT class shipping! hahahaha Its just not possible!
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Post by: endtransmission
Ah, I assumed you were listing all the expansions
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Post by: BrookM
Split shipping? Well, no big loss I suppose, it's going to take some time to get through the core contents as is.
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Post by: Alpharius
DaveC wrote:Looks like it's split shipping with the expansions shipping later
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
Upcoming shipment is everything except expansions. Those are still in print and assembly. Tho the miniature production for them as been finished since feb 2015. I am happy with the factories we worked with, however in the future I can say I'll have a much better idea of what a "factories-timeline" actually looks like. Being that this is my first mass production product (and that its bigger and heavier then any similar game on the market) I shouldn't have taken the initial time estimates at face value. I am of course responsible in the end, I just thought some of you might like to know. No big deal!
It seems it might actually be cheaper to split the orders
Creator Kingdom Death about 1 hour ago
... I honestly wish we could group them. But the box dimension and weight of a typical order took it to FREIGHT class shipping! hahahaha Its just not possible!
Makes sense, but I wonder how far behind all the expansions will be? Automatically Appended Next Post: Because the Expansions might get bit by CNY 2016!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
He hasn't posted a timeline for the expansions yet, has he?
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Post by: endtransmission
DaveC wrote:Looks like it's split shipping with the expansions shipping later
On one hand, that's a shame. On the other hand it gives us a chance to play the main box a bit before drowning in expansion cards.
Speaking of, I wonder if the expansion cards come with extra dividers for the box?
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Post by: DaveC
Not yet there is big update coming shortly so I guess he will cover all of this then.
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Post by: BrookM
Actually, question that I hope will be covered by the update.. I've also ordered extra dice and base inserts, when will those ship then? First wave, or with the expansions?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Looks like I'm at-
No word on the shirts.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hey, what's the scale compared to the new AoS models? It may can double as a small chaos army.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Kingdom Death wrote:Upcoming shipment is everything except expansions. Those are still in print and assembly. Tho the miniature production for them as been finished since feb 2015.
I am happy with the factories we worked with, however in the future I can say I'll have a much better idea of what a "factories-timeline" actually looks like. Being that this is my first mass production product (and that its bigger and heavier then any similar game on the market) I shouldn't have taken the initial time estimates at face value. I am of course responsible in the end, I just thought some of you might like to know. No big deal!
So the delivery might be a couple waves? Oh noes, whatever shall I do? Oh wait, The Game has a ton of content to work on that'll keep me busy for a long time, no problem. I'm just glad that stuff will be shipping and that it looks to be the amazingly awesome boutique game that I backed.
As for the 17 lbs of KD:M being "bigger and heavier than any similar game on the market", I'm assuming this is only because the 28 lbs of Ogre DE is not similar or off market.
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Post by: BrookM
Is OGRE even on sale?
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From a quick look at SJG's store, it appears they are sold out.
Considering that SJG probably took a loss on the product, and likely can't muster up another production run, I'm pretty sure Ogre DE won't be back on the market in the foreseeable future.
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Post by: Dentry
I'm sure it wouldn't be the worst (best?) pledge here on Dakka. The only expansion not coming my way is the Flower Knight.
Getting the base game will be fantastic and I hope it makes the wait for the Dragon King and Green Knight armor more bearable, not less. Which, actually, I just remembered I need the Flower Knight to craft. So, yeah.
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Post by: Toronian
ok this might of been answered before but on the kickstarter page "Death: Monster is a cooperative tabletop miniatures game for 1-6 players. Set in a unique nightmarish world devoid of most natural resources, you control a settlement at the dawn of its existence. Fight monsters, craft weapons and gear, and develop your settlement to ensure your survival from generation to generation" and i was reading through the contents on the main page and it only ships with 4 gear grids 4 survivors so is the kickstarter page wrong ? and the game is only 1-4 ?
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Post by: cincydooley
Dentry wrote:
I'm sure it wouldn't be the worst (best?) pledge here on Dakka. The only expansion not coming my way is the Flower Knight.
Getting the base game will be fantastic and I hope it makes the wait for the Dragon King and Green Knight armor more bearable, not less. Which, actually, I just remembered I need the Flower Knight to craft. So, yeah.
The only thing from the KS not coming my way is the tree....
The rulebook is 224 pages.
2.2.4.
Thats a lot of pages.
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Post by: Piperi
Toronian wrote:ok this might of been answered before but on the kickstarter page "Death: Monster is a cooperative tabletop miniatures game for 1-6 players. Set in a unique nightmarish world devoid of most natural resources, you control a settlement at the dawn of its existence. Fight monsters, craft weapons and gear, and develop your settlement to ensure your survival from generation to generation" and i was reading through the contents on the main page and it only ships with 4 gear grids 4 survivors so is the kickstarter page wrong ? and the game is only 1-4 ?
Adam has previously stated that the game can be played with up to 6 players, but it is optimized for 4 players. Not every player needs a Gear Grid, they are mostly to give you a neater way to organize your Gear. Also, the game comes with enough models for all 6 players to be able to play even though there are only the 4 starting Survivors.
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oh ok then that makes sense i hope i will be able to buy a gear grid by itself if i wish
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Post by: Dentry
cincydooley wrote:The only thing from the KS not coming my way is the tree....
The rulebook is 224 pages.
2.2.4.
Thats a lot of pages.
Indeed. There are some other things that stood out too. Like the 1k+ cards we're getting and the 17 sprues of miniatures (including over 150 pieces of gear).
I'm not looking forward to putting sleeves on that many cards. In fact, I'm not sure I will.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
What's wierd is that each set makes 4 models, even though there are bitz for easily twice that. If only he had included an extra male & female torso on each sprue, rather than duplicate weapons, to support the 6-players on the box... Oh, well. Not that I'll be short of models with all the stuff I ordered.
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Post by: Alpharius
cincydooley wrote: Dentry wrote:
I'm sure it wouldn't be the worst (best?) pledge here on Dakka. The only expansion not coming my way is the Flower Knight.
Getting the base game will be fantastic and I hope it makes the wait for the Dragon King and Green Knight armor more bearable, not less. Which, actually, I just remembered I need the Flower Knight to craft. So, yeah.
The only thing from the KS not coming my way is the tree....
The rulebook is 224 pages.
2.2.4.
Thats a lot of pages.
It is but some (a lot?) of that is art:
224 Page Rulebook, 17 Hard Plastic Sprues of Miniatures, 1000+ Matte Game Cards, 400+ Unique pieces of Art and 86 Full Page Illustrations.
Not that that won't be nice to see (maybe? it could be rather...disturbing/horrific too!) though...
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Post by: BrookM
The book has the rules, fluff, art and other background material, so it's not all rules.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Don't think cincy ever said it was all rules.
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