I got all my expansions (haven't opened them yet) but just now opened the survivor rewards box. I don't know if I got the holiday gift twilight knight or not. Does anyone have a picture of the sprue? I don't want to email Poots asking for one if I already have it.
I don't have a pic but he was either on the sprue with the starting survivors or was on a sprue with snow and adam/anna. It was a plastic sprue full of characters iirc. Most likely you have it, look over all the bits and his torso pice will give it away (hood, cape, etc).
No love for Germany yet. Weren't EU packages supposed to ship from a warehouse here? How is my stuff arriving later than UK? No fair. Big baby so saad.
Okay. I found it. I missed him on the sprue earlier. Cool, that means I got everything I'm supposed to have in my pledge rewards. I'll investigate the main box later today and start on the expansions this evening.
Wheeeeeeee!
Edit: Okay, core box, Survivor Pledge Extras, Extra Purchases all check out. I previously had to request a missing (small) lantern armor sprue and that's already been taken care of. It's onto the expansions now.
Edit: Dragon King expansion had everything. My God! That is a huge model. We're talking 'run up and punch a Stormsurge in the face just because'. The base is just over 5 1⁄4" diameter. This was a $30 add-on during the kickstarter but if GW made it, it would easily hit the $110 price point.
Edit: Lonely Tree was a little underwhelming. Nice four sprue kit and a small stack of cards but not much else. The lonely woman sprue is lonely.
Edit: Dung Beetle and Flower Knights were interesting in that there were more game product (cards & cardboard punch-outs) than plastic. lol.
Edit: Gorm almost should have been put in one of the large boxes, eh? I like how the Regeneration Suit was packed separate.
Edit: Slender Man is rather slender at only one sprue. Like the Dung Beetle and Flower Knights the cards are the majority of the expansion.
Edit: Manhunter is little larger than a Malifaux sprue like you get in the Guild Riflemen box. Majority of that box was packing peanuts.
Edit: Lion King is another single sprue kit with lots of cards and packing peanuts but this was the one I was most looking forward to. It's stunning how much detail they managed to get on what is a mostly single-piece body. This is far and above what you see with Malifaux even though it's the same company that made the sprue. Hopefully we'll see Wyrd up their game.
Breotan wrote: Just inventoried the Sunstalker expansion. Again, everything is... um... well... that is definitely a penis, isn't it? Right up front and everything.
Are you referring to the long appendage in front or the glans like appearance of the back?
Wanted? Not necessarily but I am certain that one day its lessons will prove invaluable. For example, when I stumble into a dimensional rift and end up in some place where body horror monsters are the norm; I won't look foolish (or dead!) when someone shouts, "Look out for that henticle!"
I posted in the N&R thread, but if anyone in the UK is suffering buyer's/pile of shame remorse after ordering too much, and wants to shift an expansion or two (or three), drop me a line and we can work something out!
Uh...hate to break it to you, but I believe it was the last update that said those are cancelled. They're available for free on the website, but something about them not really integrating well into a campaign is what led Poots to decide to not bother with a printed copy.
These were sort of a flop. We worked pretty hard on them, tested and tried to ensure each was a fun little mini game. The feedback from the beta’s has made it pretty clear and I see no reason to finalize them any further. They will remain online and available for any to enjoy as they are.
I will be taking a new approach with the content. Mainly the gear. The gear will be revisited, redesigned and given crafting recipes, so that it can more naturally be added to campaigns. The PDF’s will be made available for free and a printed pack of cards will eventually make its way to our online store, available for free + packing and shipping.
Kind of odd that he'd sell something at shipping cost to the general populace. I always assumed that would only apply to backers and anyone else would have to pay cost + shipping.
Yeah... IDK what exactly the deal is, but it's actually been more dissatisfying to me than the absurd delays.
I think it wasn't intentionally deceptive, but I know I wouldn't have gone in for them all if I'd known "special model with rules" meant model later released in cheaper pack with rules you need to buy separately and available to everyone.
I also don't have my special event rules from the special white speaker, and people who bought those over the holidays have 'em already.
Promos have been a pretty notable let-down for me.
My apackage arrived and it had been beaten like a reporter at a Trump convention. Here's a picture of the Dragon King booklet, which is crumpled at the corner. Normally, I wouldn't care, but 1) I paid twice for that shipping, and 2) I was planning to sell the booklet and all the cards. Will this damage affect the resale value? Should I submit a ticket to have the booklet replaced?
These were sort of a flop. We worked pretty hard on them, tested and tried to ensure each was a fun little mini game. The feedback from the beta’s has made it pretty clear and I see no reason to finalize them any further. They will remain online and available for any to enjoy as they are.
I will be taking a new approach with the content. Mainly the gear. The gear will be revisited, redesigned and given crafting recipes, so that it can more naturally be added to campaigns. The PDF’s will be made available for free and a printed pack of cards will eventually make its way to our online store, available for free + packing and shipping.
Ah, my mistake.
BobtheInquisitor wrote:My apackage arrived and it had been beaten like a reporter at a Trump convention. Here's a picture of the Dragon King booklet, which is crumpled at the corner. Normally, I wouldn't care, but 1) I paid twice for that shipping, and 2) I was planning to sell the booklet and all the cards. Will this damage affect the resale value? Should I submit a ticket to have the booklet replaced?
Can you flatten it out under books for awhile? Unsure about resale value, but usually "crumpled" doesn't sell as well as "near mint".
I still think you'd probably find a taker on BGG desperate to try out the campaign, and not want to incur the wrath of building models/ paying the adjusted prices.
re: paying for the shipping and handling of expansion character equipment cards.. he's out of money, simple as that. Quite annoying really, as we opted to get everything with an iota of ingame content or value. Doubly so now that we're required to pay for something we thought would come with the minis as they were released to us.
I've got a feeling we'll be required to pay for the shipping of the Lantern Festival whenever that gets rushed out the door as well.
That's probably true, Brook. Curious what it'll be though.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: My apackage arrived and it had been beaten like a reporter at a Trump convention. Here's a picture of the Dragon King booklet, which is crumpled at the corner. Normally, I wouldn't care, but 1) I paid twice for that shipping, and 2) I was planning to sell the booklet and all the cards. Will this damage affect the resale value? Should I submit a ticket to have the booklet replaced?
In your case, submitting a ticket makes sense. We're supposed to do that through kingdomdeath.com/support now but when I attempted to do so (for a store issue) about a week ago, no confirmation email was sent to me. Had to contact them through the support@kingdomdeath.zendesk.com support email. Might have just been me, though. /shrug
BrookM wrote: I've got a feeling we'll be required to pay for the shipping of the Lantern Festival whenever that gets rushed out the door as well.
I don't really have a problem. Given the amazing discount at which we've gotten each expansion, I'm surprised Poots hasn't filed for bankruptcy. I just finished putting together the Dragon King and that expansion should be listed at well over $100 but we only paid $30 for it. I understand the frustration but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if I'm asked to chip in for some extra shipping costs.
But, it was his choice to make it bigger and fancier. He should've factored it into that budget rather than having people foot the bill for his overspending.
In other words, while I have empathy for wanting to make something the best it can be, I have no sympathy for making it more expensive than promised.
BrookM wrote: I've got a feeling we'll be required to pay for the shipping of the Lantern Festival whenever that gets rushed out the door as well.
I don't really have a problem. Given the amazing discount at which we've gotten each expansion, I'm surprised Poots hasn't filed for bankruptcy. I just finished putting together the Dragon King and that expansion should be listed at well over $100 but we only paid $30 for it. I understand the frustration but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if I'm asked to chip in for some extra shipping costs.
We're there directions? Looking a the the armor kit sprues, I have no idea what legs go onto which hips, especially since it only has two hips and six legs...
I have a problem with the Lonely Tree. I have an extra pile of leaves that I can't figure out where to put them. The few shots I've been able to google all seem to be oriented the same way so that's not been much help.
Does anyone know where I can get a good variety of pics of the Lonely Tree from different angles? Hopefully I'll be able to figure out where this last bit goes.
Breotan wrote: I have a problem with the Lonely Tree. I have an extra pile of leaves that I can't figure out where to put them. The few shots I've been able to google all seem to be oriented the same way so that's not been much help.
Does anyone know where I can get a good variety of pics of the Lonely Tree from different angles? Hopefully I'll be able to figure out where this last bit goes.
Someone called Stephanie Gustafsson posted a build guide to the By Lanterns Light Facebook group on Thursday at 11.37, don't know how to post a direct link on my iPad though, sorry.
spiralingcadaver wrote: But, it was his choice to make it bigger and fancier. He should've factored it into that budget rather than having people foot the bill for his overspending.
In other words, while I have empathy for wanting to make something the best it can be, I have no sympathy for making it more expensive than promised.
In fairness, the portion of the bill we're being asked to foot is one that was technically out of his control; shipping rates have become extremely expensive compared to the predicted shipping time. This is primarily an outgrowth of the decision to switch from PVC to HIPS, but I'd venture a guess that had you put that question to the backers as a group, you would have ended up with exactly where we are today. I don't see a ton of people opting for PVC, especially as the time the decision would have been made would have been when Relic Knights and DeadZone were fulfilling and the "not-quite-there"-ness of Experiment of Death would have been known. PVC as a material would have likely been denounced, and a switch to HIPS widely applauded (since, it was...and I would still support such a switch even with hindsight). That then leads up to the bulk of the delay and thus increased shipping costs. Would putting it to a vote somehow change the fact that the outcome would be the same?
Now, I do think it was a bit of...we'll be charitable and call it "marketing" to wait until shipping was imminent to mention it would cost more. That there would be a fee was known in nebulous terms by people actively following the project, but it could have been mentioned to the masses much sooner than it was. So too could mention have been made of Adam's willingness to work with people for whom the fee was a hardship or completely out-of-whack, especially given the short notice. Communication has been somewhat spotty throughout the campaign though, and it's not really in KD's history to be particularly good at it (see also: the random restocks of their store since...ever).
Still, when you look at other projects on this forum like Robotech, AvP, even Raging Heroes and Mantic to an extent, the problems (and they are indeed problems and places that need to improve) that KD:M are giving their backers would seem to be vastly preferable.
I have pledged for other kickatarters that similarly scaled too big, too fast (dust, robotech, shadows of brimstone). So far I am out $200 of dust product I will most likely never see, and $300 of robotech that the creator has shown I will never see ever.
Adam has been great and I'd rather pay some shipping than never get my product. I paid my shipping fee and will continue to wait patiently for my one of each expansion to show up in Wisconsin, can't wait for the dragon king!!!!
I got all of the expansions except for the Gorm and Sunstalker expansions. I'm kicking myself a little bit for not getting those two, but my wife said no because of the models. If someone wants to sell the cards and rule books from those two expansions I would greatly appreciate it.
I have some money into Robotech, and I am thinking it is unlikely I will see the bulk of my split. I took a marker on Heavy Gear, and am glad I didn't throw good money after bad.
For Kingdom Death, I think the extra shipping to be less than ideal, and would have preferred notice on it I agree that the expansion in scope and weight (for the added low-priority game materials) and time (to develop, proof, and produce the extra game stuff) and cost (to develop, produce, and ship the extra game stuff) to be pretty much entirely self-inflicted.
That said, I think, had Adam run polls of PVC vs HIPS at some slight cost increase / additional delay, people would have backed it. I think a sizable number would also have chosen more gameplay stuff against a delay, with possible shipping cost increases. I do think that the bulk of backers would have agreed to pay additional shipping charges. I do think that it's unfortunate that the armor kits only make 2+2 Survivors when there is clearly enough space to have made 3+3 Survivors with marginally less variation... I think that pretty much all backers would have wanted better communications, with more frequent updates. Oh, well.
In a few days, I should have all of the stuff that I pledged for, and I hope to be satisfied with the value for what I paid. Even with extra shipping charges paid.
JohnHwangDD wrote: In a few days, I should have all of the stuff that I pledged for, and I hope to be satisfied with the value for what I paid. Even with extra shipping charges paid.
I'm certain that you will. The expansion packs were sold to us at a steal.
The PVC vs HISP was discussed as the KS started. Most of us were calling for HISP. Poots' decision to use the same company that Wyrd uses is what made me willing to pledge the surprisingly large sum of money that I did. I understand the need to ask for assistance with shipping and I am very happy with how it turned out. I'm sure you will be too.
The sad thing is even as nice as the cards themselves are, I like game cards to be in sleeves; my cat has an uncanny ability to damage the most valuable things on offer (though at least I have trained him to get off the bed if he's going to be sick).
Feline follies aside, this obviously makes them not fit in the box particularly well. I still have half the expansions to go and I'm not sure how I'm going to fit the rest in the box. I think I could cram maybe two more in, but that's obviously not going to help much when I have six or so to go.
Anyone else tackled a similar storage quandary? I was vaguely flirting with the idea of trying to design a wooden carry box to hold all the non-model game stuff, but then I woke up and remembered my carpentry skills are completely lacking.
You can get some nice metal carry cases designed for Magic the Gathering cards that would work well for KD. Some of the TCG cases hold around 1000 sleeved cards, so it may be worth looking at one for the standard size cards and a smaller one for the gear cards
Krinsath wrote: Anyone else tackled a similar storage quandary?
vibrantlantern.com/extra/organize/
I did review that, but that's just the core game I believe (based on a lack of circular terrain tokens for the Dragon King) which I didn't really have any issues fitting. My current setup has all of the cardboard tokens relocated and the entire section (the middle left in the first picture) filled with cards. I'm thinking two expansions of slack still exists there, but that'll be about it. The section on the far right is pretty chock full, and the section to the left is pretty crowded as-is. Might be able to optimize a third expansion in, but I'm still only halfway there.
I started investigating storage boxes, but the board itself becomes a hassle then so I'm dubious of that panning out.
BrookM wrote: I've got a feeling we'll be required to pay for the shipping of the Lantern Festival whenever that gets rushed out the door as well.
I don't really have a problem. Given the amazing discount at which we've gotten each expansion, I'm surprised Poots hasn't filed for bankruptcy. I just finished putting together the Dragon King and that expansion should be listed at well over $100 but we only paid $30 for it. I understand the frustration but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if I'm asked to chip in for some extra shipping costs.
Whe're there directions? Looking a the the armor kit sprues, I have no idea what legs go onto which hips, especially since it only has two hips and six legs...
No directions, unfortunately. Somewhere either in this thread or the one in N&R was a link to a closed facebook group that has user-created instructions. I'll update here with the link when I find it.
Edit: Nevermind, OrlandotheTechnicoloured already posted it. They've got Spidecules, Loney Tree, and The Phoenix (thank goodnes) posted there as well as others.
Well, I finally got my stuff yesterday. I'm really regretting not getting the Lion God now.
I think I may have found a typo in the dragon king book, but maybe I just don't understand it. In the People of the Stars campaign endgame, when you're building the tomb it says you lose all of your resources, rounding down. Was it supposed to be some fraction of your resources, or is there some reason to round down 100%?
I regret not being buying the phoenix armor kit and maybe the flower knight, but the retail prices are likely to be too bonkers to consider.
Anyway, do you guys think $25 plus shipping is too much to ask for for all of the non-miniature items from the dragon king? I've looked at eBay and Boardgame geek but not seen anything immediately analogous. Also, the rulebook is flatter but still a bit wrinkly--will that matter a lot to most buyers? I know Adam must be bleeding money on this project, so I am a bit hesitant to ask for a replacement.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I regret not being buying the phoenix armor kit and maybe the flower knight, but the retail prices are likely to be too bonkers to consider.
Anyway, do you guys think $25 plus shipping is too much to ask for for all of the non-miniature items from the dragon king? I've looked at eBay and Boardgame geek but not seen anything immediately analogous. Also, the rulebook is flatter but still a bit wrinkly--will that matter a lot to most buyers? I know Adam must be bleeding money on this project, so I am a bit hesitant to ask for a replacement.
Given all the cards involved, I would say $25 would be a fair price for the non-miniature items.
The armor kits seem to pop up on eBay for around 20 to 30 from backers who ended up with too many armor kits if you're determined to hunt down some armor sets.
I've had the desire to hoard armor kits for building up tons of people (especially for skirmish games), but considering I haven't even dipped into my armor kits yet, I haven't succumbed to the madness that is eBay yet.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I regret not being buying the phoenix armor kit and maybe the flower knight, but the retail prices are likely to be too bonkers to consider.
Anyway, do you guys think $25 plus shipping is too much to ask for for all of the non-miniature items from the dragon king? I've looked at eBay and Boardgame geek but not seen anything immediately analogous. Also, the rulebook is flatter but still a bit wrinkly--will that matter a lot to most buyers? I know Adam must be bleeding money on this project, so I am a bit hesitant to ask for a replacement.
First class postage is expensive because of weight. Priority Mail is flat rate based on box size so it may actually be cheaper.
Received mine today as well and had planned on listing an expansion or two on eBay to partake heavily in Miniature Markets sale. Way too much Sophie's Choice once I started going through the rule book for each one, so guess I'm keeping them all. Will start a new campaign Monday and need to figure out which one I want to add in.
I also have 2x sprue C and it seems like most of the people on BGG do as well. Maybe they made a bunch of the wrong one rather than just a packing mistake?
For those thinking of magnetizing their survivors: I magnetized at the wrists and necks. It worked out pretty well, though it is a pain to glue those tiny magnets onto the tiny hands, especially ones with small weapons. And it's been a bit of a pain to paint them. You can see how I magnetized mine, with some pictures, here: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2016/01/magnetizing-kingdom-death-monster.html
Here are some tips:
The magnets I used in the wrists were 1/16" diameter x 1/32" thick, and anything bigger that that would be too big. For the necks I used 1/16" diameter x 1/16" thick because I already had some of that size. But any bigger diameter than that wouldn't fit.
What I did, is cut off most of the little nib that sticks off the hands to form the wrist, then file it down flat. Then I used super glue to attach the magnet to the flattened part. It helps a lot to scratch up the magnet and the part of the hand you are gluing it to with a steel file. This helps the glue hold better.
Gluing those tiny little magnets to those tiny little hands was definitely the tricky part of all this. And take care to make sure you are gluing the magnets the right way! They have to match up based on which way you glue the magnets into the forearms, so I used a sharpie to mark the side I was going to glue, so I wouldn't get it turned around when I inevitably dropped the little magnet.
Another useful thing I did was, for the left forearms I glue the north side of the magnet facing out, and the right forearms I glued the south side facing out. The hands are then opposite. This way, once everything is glued together, pairs of hands (one right and one left) can be stored attached to each other, since their magnets will be opposite polarities. I did a similar thing with male heads vs female heads having different polarities so one of each can be stuck together for storing.
ecurtz wrote: I also have 2x sprue C and it seems like most of the people on BGG do as well. Maybe they made a bunch of the wrong one rather than just a packing mistake?
No, they made the right number of each. It's just that they've been shipping from the "double "C" pile first. There will be plenty of "double B" soon enough.
Do any of you have leftover bits from the armor kits you won't be using? I'm especially interested in hands and weapons and some of the more interesting heads. Also, are the Wyrd Malifaux plastics in roughly the same scale as Kingdom Death?
Now to respond to something from the other thread. (Sorry, Alpharius. Threads get confusing.)
That said, while the female Dragon survivor is a truly great mini, the male dragon survivor is kind of a dud. I'm not just saying that because he looks like George McFly eating a Keanu Reeves sad sandwich, but also because his only build pose looks so defeated and his outfit comes straight out of the worst Star Trek episode of all time.
I disagree. I got a set of 20 dragon armor survivors in wave two and they can be built with dramatic poses, albeit with minimal motion. I included a trio of my male dragon armor survivors below. They are unpainted except for airbrushed skin but that should be unimportant to convey the poses.
Also, I got a shipping notice yesterday for a small wave 3 shipment so they may be nearing the end in North America.
I was talking about the two slaves? survivors? who come on the same sprue as the human Dragon King. The woman comes with two pairs of arms which allow for many poses, but the man comes with one set build where his arms hang dejectedly by the side of his muumuu/barbershop poncho.
I completely agree with you about the amazing Dragon Armor kits. I managed to assemble the legs and torsos before spending the rest of my hobby time staring at the sprue trying to figure out which weapons I wanted to use on which minis. Someone earlier compared it to Sophie's Choice, and they nailed it.
So, if you have 20 sets, that means you'll have a lot of spare, unused bits left over, right? Would you be interested in trading or selling them?
Kingdom Death Armor Kits have brought on some serious analysis paralysis for me.
Every time I try to sit down and start building people, my brain just shuts down at the sheer possibilities of everything. It's going to be even worse this weekend!
I'm curious about the Malifaux/ KD sizes as well.
The Into The Breach multi part kits might prove interesting to mix with KD stuff if they're of similar size/ build.
So I paid the extra shipping within the 24 hour window, but haven't received my expansion yet. Should I be worried at this point or is shipping going really slow?
Tamereth wrote: So I paid the extra shipping within the 24 hour window, but haven't received my expansion yet. Should I be worried at this point or is shipping going really slow?
No. There are 1,000s of backers that Adam has had to work through. This takes some time.
We have decided to make all of the expansions available for just one week. Originally, we were planning on having a slow release, perhaps one expansion per month, so we could properly support them! However I understand that many of you want them right away and so... here we are!
After this sale we will switch over to our original plan, perhaps releasing a new expansion every month along with new resin miniatures!
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$60 for the small(er) expansions is more than I expected, but I am not surprised by the Dragon King bumping to $150 - very fair for how big that model is, along with the bonus model content.
Oh this is going to hurt. I want to buy all of those expansions right now, but that's going to cost a LOT
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Automatically Appended Next Post: So how would I go about building the Green Knight Armor if I bought that expansion? It doesn't seem to come with a way to build it in the core game, and it's listed as a standalone.
Iirc, the green knight armor has a crafting card in it, like the ones in the core game (Plumery for Phoenix stuff, etc.) Curious its listed as standalone... I thought it had dependencies on a number of other expansions, I think the Knight crests from the three Knight expansions.
Mulletdude wrote: Oh this is going to hurt. I want to buy all of those expansions right now, but that's going to cost a LOT
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Automatically Appended Next Post: So how would I go about building the Green Knight Armor if I bought that expansion? It doesn't seem to come with a way to build it in the core game, and it's listed as a standalone.
Gear recipes are on the backs of the cards, and all require weird stuff like special innovations. It takes the gorm and all three knights to get the resources to make that crazy set of armor. It's pretty out of control expensive (and appropriately powerful). I personally wouldn't recommend it unless you're really interested in playing at very high levels (makes the lantern armor look pretty easy to get).
Automatically Appended Next Post: oops, also requires spidicules and manhunter, so 6 non-core monsters
Mulletdude wrote: Wow. $785 for all the expansions on the site currently. That's intense.
Aren't a few of the expansions missing currently?
$800 even with the $15 flat shipping charge.
2 missing:
- Spidicules, due to the leg issue. Assume price of $125 or so.
- Lantern Festival, likely due to a print / production issue. Assume price of $150, like Dragon King.
Got my dragon king in the mail yesterday mere moments before they went up on the store. its a wonderful model and the additions of the tyrant plus two people of the stars survivors will hopefully make the high pricetag more worth it to anyone buying it retail.
When I pledged I only wanted a big dragon for cheap but now that I have played the game I'm eager to fight him.
Cynically, I suspect that the Dragon King is $150 to somehow try and claw back all the losses that must have been taken from listing it at $30 during the Kickstarter!
I don't know who the target market is at those prices, but clearly at least some people are willing to pay them, and the margins must be pretty nice.
I picked up all expansions minus the Lion God and Lonely tree the first time around. $75 For the Gorm seems like a great value, he's a lot of fun to fight and his gear is fantastic!
I'm debating on picking up the Lonely Tree, what are your experiences with it? Also, does anyone have any pictures of the Lonely Muse that they could upload? With a different expansion going up each month, I wonder how long until a new expansion hits.
Yeah... tempted to get the lion god and lonely tree(what I don't have already), but still resisting since they seem to have the least impact. Anyone feel they're great?
Also, anyone in the portland area want to split shipping (since I'm considering an order)?
Albino Squirrel wrote: $15 flat rate shipping? How come Kickstarter backers had to pay $17 for shipping the same stuff?
For most of the expansions KS backers paid a third or less of what retail buyers will pay (1/5 for the Dragon King). Poots lost money on KS expansions there is most likely a healthy margin on the retail price so he can afford to subsidise the shipping at retail prices.
To put it in context KS backers paid $235 for all the expansions now available (assuming Herald of Death applied) versus $785 retail
Albino Squirrel wrote: $15 flat rate shipping? How come Kickstarter backers had to pay $17 for shipping the same stuff?
For most of the expansions KS backers paid a third or less of what retail buyers will pay (1/5 for the Dragon King). Poots lost money on KS expansions there is most likely a healthy margin on the retail price so he can afford to subsidise the shipping at retail prices.
To put it in context KS backers paid $235 for all the expansions now available (assuming Herald of Death applied) versus $785 retail
What DaveC said. We got everything for less than the cost to manufacture it(at least with the Dragon King iirc). He charged us $2 extra, and it's also possible after shipping started that he realized he could afford to drop the cost a bit. Also possible enough folks added to the tip jar that he passed it on to preorders.
Has anyone had any experience with the 5 and 6 player variant rules? I have done some google searches and a few searches here, but I'm only coming up with OH DEAR GOD DON'T DO IT!
I beat a 4 person campaign once, and now that I have most of the expansions, there is a lot more interest in the game from my group of friends. I have seen some variants that sound interesting, but I would like to see what others think.
Book rules for reference +1 speed and +2 damage tokens, life equal to monster lvl + 2
Some of the modifications I have heard for the 5/6 player rules that sound more playable are:
+1 Speed token, +life equal to monster lvl + number of extra players
no extra rules what so ever
additional AI cards = to monster lvl + number of players
monster lvl 1 gets +1 speed token, lvl 2 gets +1 speed +1 damage tokens, lvl 3+ gets +1 speed +2 damage tokens and an extra AI card drawn each turn
draw an extra AI card each turn for the monster
Bioptic wrote: Cynically, I suspect that the Dragon King is $150 to somehow try and claw back all the losses that must have been taken from listing it at $30 during the Kickstarter!
I don't know who the target market is at those prices, but clearly at least some people are willing to pay them, and the margins must be pretty nice.
I kinda feel bad I didn't get a second one for posterity.
I think someone needs to post a picture of the Dragon King and all of its content next to a GW Imperial Knight Warden, which also retails for $150+.
Made a decision last week to get rid of all my Mantic stuff and was planning on using the proceeds for a bit of Guild Ball. Looks like I'm going to defer that in lieu getting my missed expansions. Kinda poetic I guess to turn Mantic restic into KD.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Yeah... tempted to get the lion god and lonely tree(what I don't have already), but still resisting since they seem to have the least impact. Anyone feel they're great?
Also, anyone in the portland area want to split shipping (since I'm considering an order)?
I haven't played but I've put both together. From a model perspective, the Lonely Tree isn't that awesome. The trunk is interesting but the branches are very two dimensional as they reach out and the leaves are just clumps on top of clumps. The Lion God is a nice enough model.
You'll have to ask someone else about how each of these ranks as a game expansion.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think someone needs to post a picture of the Dragon King and all of its content next to a GW Imperial Knight Warden, which also retails for $150+.
I wanted to nab some of the expansions that I didn't grab in the kickstarter, specifically the Lion God and the Lonely Tree, but shipping alone is $115 for me @___@
...I may need to consider just not getting any expansions if that's going to be the price of shipping going forward. It does make me happy I grabbed what expansions I did during the Kickstarter though (when they ever arrive), but my lack of Spidicules is going to sting.
That aside, great to have that comparison shot of the Dragon King with the Knight, nice reference to show my 40k friends. Thanks
It is ridiculous that they are trying to keep this issue with the Spidicules legs so quiet. That probably means bad news, like the keeping quiet about the additional shipping charges for the expansions until the last minute.
They probably can't afford to send people the right legs.
Just threw in $310 for the expansions I didn't pick up previously (Lion God, Sunstalker, Gorm, Dung Bettle Knight).
My previous pledge totalled $301 getting me the Herald of Death.
However that included a Resin Behind the Wall (let's say for argument sake, that has a value of $17 nulling the shipping cost) and I also sold my Survivor Box for $150 and the 2 Gencon Lantern cards for around $50.
Gives me a KS buyin of the game including all expansions released of $411. That ain't not half bad.
Poots could ring my doorbell tomorrow, kick me in the Jimmy and I'd still wave my wallet at him.
Albino Squirrel wrote: It is ridiculous that they are trying to keep this issue with the Spidicules legs so quiet. That probably means bad news, like the keeping quiet about the additional shipping charges for the expansions until the last minute.
They probably can't afford to send people the right legs.
That's probably why he put expansions up for preorder-to get the money up to fix the leg issue.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I think someone needs to post a picture of the Dragon King and all of its content next to a GW Imperial Knight Warden, which also retails for $150+.
Okay.
They're comparable but the dragon is bigger.
Spoiler:
Thank you, you rock!
People regularly pay $150+ for Knights, and the Dragon is easily comparable value, considering there are a half-dozen playable figs in there, to boot!
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Albino Squirrel wrote: It is ridiculous that they are trying to keep this issue with the Spidicules legs so quiet. That probably means bad news, like the keeping quiet about the additional shipping charges for the expansions until the last minute.
They probably can't afford to send people the right legs.
More like they flat out don't have the legs to send.
Adam is taking names, and will have WGF run off an all new set of lefts and rights. Those will need to be packaged, and shipped to Adam for distribution to backers. I say, it's at least 2 months to resolve, but it's unclear, because it needs to find a slot in WGF's production schedule, and WGF is kinda busy ATM...
Still it would be helpful if Adam were to acknowledge the issue and provide some guidance.
In the mean time, your best bet is to find someone else to trade with, and spend the $3 in postage to ship it to someone else. Yes, it's another $3 out of pocket, but you get the part in a few days. That's what I did, and I now have a complete, correct set of Spidey legs.
Also, where is the flower knight still $25? Is that for backers?
Armor sprues are only in the major expansions: - Dragon King - Gorm - Spiducules - Sunstalker These also include some "bonus" figs, like the human form & Dragon people, Regen suit, Spiderlings, or Sun people, respectively.
Flower Knight is $60, I don't think you can get him for $25 from any of Adam's stores.
A lot could've been avoided if the sprues had something else there to denote that they were different, other than a small detail on how the legs are shaped.
You know, something like an "A" on one, "B" on the other.
Even if he doesn't know when he'll be able to send replacements, he could at least let people know about the issue. A lot of people probably don't know it's an issue and will try to put the model together with the wrong legs. Especially since we still don't have any build instructions.
Is there any significant difference between the legs besides the attachment "key"? Would it be possible to either file it down, or remove it altogether then glue the leg directly to the body?
Sinful Hero wrote: Is there any significant difference between the legs besides the attachment "key"? Would it be possible to either file it down, or remove it altogether then glue the leg directly to the body?
Yes, people have already successfully assembled them using a little bit of greenstuff. The actual legs look nearly identical. I found somebody on BoardGameGeek to swap with via mail, cost $3.14 to send first class in a sturdy box.
The proportions and angles are very slightly different between the 4 legs. Now why the left and right sides weren't digitally cleaned to use identical legs in each position from front to rear, with identical keys, I have no idea. It would have saved him tooling cost simply by throwing 2x "rear legs" and 2x "front legs" into the box. Oh, well...
You could file them down and use epoxy putty to gap fill / resculpt.
So, what is the deal with lanterns in the fluff? What is their significance? The answer might affect how I model my armor kits.
I just want to be extra sure before I trade this stuff away that this is everything that was supposed to come in the Dragon King expansion. There is the book, two cardboard sheets of punch outs, a bagged gear card and armory, and three sealed card decks. Is that correct?
BrookM wrote: Each expansion rulebook has a list of contents.
Which isn't helpful unless I open the wrapped stacks of cards and count the individual smaller decks. I just want to know if other backers received the same packaged materials. Plus I am not invested enough in the game to know which objects are the card separates or the settlement locations, or whatever. I just want to make sure I'm not accidentally short changing someone who does care about the game mechanics.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So, what is the deal with lanterns in the fluff? What is their significance? The answer might affect how I model my armor kits.
From what I understand, there's no day in the world of kingdom death. It's always night and most of the world is in constant darkness. Magically powered lanterns seem to be relatively common and can be found in great hoards, which is good as they are the only reliable source of light and heat (though living near a lantern hoard can have its downsides). If you find yourself without a lantern, you're blind and helpless.
It's a highish level nemesis that replaces the king's man unless I've been misinformed. I haven't fought one yet so can't comment on the actual rules, but I don't like the king's man fight so that'd be a plus, but it's also a late nemesis so less likely to come up much which isn't great. I'd buy a quarry over it.
What do my fellow Dakkanauts recommend for plastic glue? I just bought a bottle of Plasti-Zap and I have had absolutely no luck with it so far. I'm kind of at the end of my rope here, my Phoenix Dancer, one of my favorite models, just will NOT stay on with super glue, she's come off her base at least four times.
These kits are polystyrene, so a hot glue is standard. Testors orange gel is the classic, and likely the strongest. There are liquid cements as well, but generally more delicate.
And of course, you can always pin the foot into the base.
I would definitely recommend Polystyrene Cement for all polystyrene kits! Preferably with a precision applicator (i.e. a thin metal tube that comes out of the bottle). Not sure about US brands.
I don't know the best place to buy it, so show around as glue prices can vary wildly. My local Walmart is actually cheaper on Gorilla Super Glue than Amazon in bulk, confusing as that is.
The standard Orange Tube Testors plastic cement is also good, but plan on squirting it out on a ceramic or glass tray and using a needle etc to apply it so you don't over do it on tiny bits. It does melt the plastic so getting too much on causes a lot of issues.
Wehrkind wrote: The standard Orange Tube Testors plastic cement is also good, but plan on squirting it out on a ceramic or glass tray and using a needle etc to apply it so you don't over do it on tiny bits. It does melt the plastic so getting too much on causes a lot of issues.
Or, you can have 40-ish years of experience working with the stuff, mastering the ability to squeeze out tiny droplets of the stuff without resorting to such tricks...
Wehrkind wrote: The standard Orange Tube Testors plastic cement is also good, but plan on squirting it out on a ceramic or glass tray and using a needle etc to apply it so you don't over do it on tiny bits. It does melt the plastic so getting too much on causes a lot of issues.
Or, you can have 40-ish years of experience working with the stuff, mastering the ability to squeeze out tiny droplets of the stuff without resorting to such tricks...
I have just given up on the idea that "a moderate amount" will ever have the proper meaning to me and plan to have way too much forever
if you did there will be a layer of it on the plastic that whatever plastic cement you then tried won't get through
I did, but I filed it to try to get it off. Perhaps I should try filing it a bit more? Miraculously, my Forsaker pin-up actually seems to be holding.
Edit: On an unrelated note, I though of something that bothers me. Spidicules (mild) spoilers:
Spoiler:
It says you suffer his vengeance from beating him. So... We hack a gak-load of chunks (resources) out of him, then he runs away and abducts someone? It seems a bit odd. Especially if you cut off all his legs and roll his living ball of a body back to your settlement.
Yeah, we ran into that surprise. We thought it was kinda' obnoxious, confusing, weird that it was automatic, and hand no flavor text. Just... not well-executed. Felt like a defeat punishment or a nemesis-style "gotcha", not an occurrence on a low-level quarry.
Looks like on BGG some folks in the US are reporting the expansions from the sale are already shipping. Must've ironed out some of the kinks during wave 3.
I think it means that Adam has completed backer shipping, and is now moving on to first retail customers.
Congrats!
That just leaves fixes and Lantern Festival, which I assume Adam was hoping will arrive while retail shipping is underway, so he can continue to leverage the logistics team.
Speaking of which, got my shipping notice a short while ago. So, I'll have the last 4 expansions (Sun Stalker, Gorm, Dung Beetle and Lion God) on Monday.
Nobody in the EU seems to have got tracking numbers so that's not a surprise,
Did you get your shipping payment in within the 24hour window?
If you did i'm surprised that nothing has arrived yet and it may be worth contacting them
if you didn't remember that the warehouses were not going to be able to complete shipping of those people who missed the deadline before they had to move onto other job(s), and were then going to come back and complete the KS shipping late (I have a vague memory of 'at the end of march' but that might be my imagination) so I'd give it another 2-3 weeks before panicing
Do we know whether when the expansions become available again in the future on the store if they will have the EU warehouse option again? Don't want to have to deal with custom charges like I have done in the past for KD stuff...
They will become available again. Adam said he was looking at a monthly rollout, which likely culminates in everything being available by the start of the Holiday Season (esp. Black Friday).
I assume the recent sale to clear the bulk of existing stock while the KS expansion distribution and logistics were still in place and operational. Afterward, this should transfer to KD's in-house logistics for smaller volumes.
I'd imagine logistics made it simpler to have all of the first production run contain the extra sprue
(rather than having some boxes with and some without, and having to juggle the supply to various warehouses), if there's a 2nd run I suspect it will be left out
but it was the only set with something like that in
In case anyone was still missing their correct legs for the spider. I just got a package in last night from Poots with both of the right and left legs.
I had created a ticket when I got my expansions in. They notified me that they were aware of the issue and said they added me to a list and closed the ticket on March 3rd.
Got mine a few days ago but only now I had the time to open them, yes, got two B legs myself.
Two questions, the green knight armour comes loose in a bag in the heralds of death box? should the lion knight and manhunter expansions be duplicate? since they are already in the heralds of death box?
Is there another place one can chime in for the legs issue? Their own helpdesk is bricked or something, tried sending a ticket yet again earlier today and still nothing.
at the moment it seems it's gone from being bricked for some people to totally dead as this message is there instead
The minions are working on a new support page. For now please email us here: support@kingdomdeath.com Please include your order ID or backer email address so that we may assist you. Thank you.
I'd say yes too (even though it is a lot of money),
but be aware your survivors will die a lot, it's the settlement you should become attached to (although they fail too, just not as often) so if you're somebody who will get upset and frustrated by that think carefully
but be aware your survivors will die a lot, it's the settlement you should become attached to (although they fail too, just not as often) so if you're somebody who will get upset and frustrated by that think carefully
I find, for some reason, I get a LOT more frustrated when my survivor misses damn near every attack in one encounter than when I lose one, it's kind of funny. Initially, my wife would get pretty bummed when her character would die, now she just sees it as a way to try a different "build", which I think is a good way to do it. (We use the "easy mode" in the book where you give yourself +1 stat)
Your first campaign, you'll probably be sad when you lose your survivor. After you've had an entire settlement die? My whole game group just says "Screw it, onto my next character". Incidentally, I'm working on a "casual mode" ruleset for when a couple buddies and I just want to hunt some monsters without worrying about the stress of population growth and nemeses. I like the brutality of the combat, though, I have no intention to nerf that.
My personal problem is where veterans get nuked without a fighting chance. Just recently lost a fist & tooth master to being a straggler and not having the right stat maxed.
I'm perfectly fine with getting wrecked in combat, but those unlucky events just aggrave the hell out of me sometimes.
Oh, and on the subject of casual mode, I tried about half a campaign in the official casual mode, and it's a lot of fun, stuff is still brutal but you get to make jokes about getting atomized into unconsciousness or sleep off a decapitation rather than grimacing about how many sessions went into that painful 2 on a severe roll.
spiralingcadaver wrote: My personal problem is where veterans get nuked without a fighting chance. Just recently lost a fist & tooth master to being a straggler and not having the right stat maxed.
I'm perfectly fine with getting wrecked in combat, but those unlucky events just aggrave the hell out of me sometimes.
Oh, and on the subject of casual mode, I tried about half a campaign in the official casual mode, and it's a lot of fun, stuff is still brutal but you get to make jokes about getting atomized into unconsciousness or sleep off a decapitation rather than grimacing about how many sessions went into that painful 2 on a severe roll.
Note that when you master a style it's added to your list of innovations- you don't lose it with the survivor.
Yeah, I know, but the stat buffs are just so tasty on the guy who makes it there, and it happened to be someone relatively young so they had a lot of fights still in them.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Yeah, I know, but the stat buffs are just so tasty on the guy who makes it there, and it happened to be someone relatively young so they had a lot of fights still in them.
That always sucks. But. That's also Kingdom Death.
Anyone have any links to game aids? Cheat sheets, rules compendiums anyone has created? I downloaded a great Severe Injury PDF which makes it so much nicer than having all these sticky notes in my book. Some quick rules would be great.
Finally got my Spidicules request in, the reply was fast enough, though it was made clear that it would be a long, long wait before I'd see my replacement legs.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I wonder has anyone tried monster on monster fights? that seems to a possibility right? For example a White lion versus a screaming antilope
I've seen it mentioned in the Facebook group. No reason it couldn't work. Might be strange to see a Lion dragging an Antelope all over the board though.
Hmm looks like we can order the expansions again. Finally got my set of expansions from the spearhead sale last week (minus Spidicules). The mail specifically talks about the spidicules expansion but even last night it already said sold out for the EU warehouse :(, not looking forward to those custom charges
Many Spidicules expansion boxes were packed with the wrong set of legs! Resolving the issue meant we had to pull it from the last sale. The units at the US warehouse are fixed and ready to go. Units at the other warehouses may still be affected. Please contact us and let us know, we will send out a replacement set of legs right away.
For those that Magnetized - any updates on your process? I found that using the wire that comes wrapped around chicken wire from lowes, is the perfect gauge and I've used that to pin all the hand/weapons to the arms. It makes it super easy to swap out weapons. I'll post some pictures soon. I took a little break from the project because it just .. takes .. so .. damn .. long. But it's so worth it. I've got all the core sets done and working on the expansions now. At some point I can finally proceed to the painting stage.
I was having troubles drilling into the wrists for pins, so instead i used no pins, only 1x1 magnets (and 2x1 for torso/legs) but I had to cut down the hands a bit, which some greenstuff will fix up right. it all works well, except some weapons are just too heavy, so itll hold but only when held downwards. But I was able to magnetize my whole set and it seems to be a hit with my players.
There are some details on my process in the comments, but I'm planning to do a more detailed step-by-step tutorial, when I have some time to do another kit and take pictures as I go along.
There are some details on my process in the comments, but I'm planning to do a more detailed step-by-step tutorial, when I have some time to do another kit and take pictures as I go along.
Yep, I came across your blog when trying to figure out a good way for the hands. I took a different approach, as explained above. I bought a roll of chicken wire and it comes with a malleable wire wrapped around it in the packaging (from Lowes). I believe it might be 19 gauge but not sure. After drilling, I glued the wire to the hand, and it comes off for about just over 1/4" (to insert into the arms).
Since everything is magnetized, I took advantage of magnetic sheets to keep everything neat. I also made some weapon racks from the king's hand sprue.
Legs/Torso, Arms/Heads above on the tins, and the weapons bottom right.
Now all I have to do is paint everything , lol. I went insane halfway through and didn't work on it for months.
bonus, I made this character sheet if anyone wants to use it
There are some details on my process in the comments, but I'm planning to do a more detailed step-by-step tutorial, when I have some time to do another kit and take pictures as I go along.
Yep, I came across your blog when trying to figure out a good way for the hands. I took a different approach, as explained above. I bought a roll of chicken wire and it comes with a malleable wire wrapped around it in the packaging (from Lowes). I believe it might be 19 gauge but not sure. After drilling, I glued the wire to the hand, and it comes off for about just over 1/4" (to insert into the arms).
Since everything is magnetized, I took advantage of magnetic sheets to keep everything neat. I also made some weapon racks from the king's hand sprue.
Legs/Torso, Arms/Heads above on the tins, and the weapons bottom right.
Now all I have to do is paint everything , lol. I went insane halfway through and didn't work on it for months.
bonus, I made this character sheet if anyone wants to use it
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You sir, are a sick, sick man. A genius and an artist, but sick.
Well, after months of deliberation, I think I'm going to finally flog off my kingdom death collection on eBay UK in the next month or so. Thing is, though, the sheer weight of it puts me off listing it. And then there's the postage insurance. Anyone got any tips or thoughts?
Lantern Festival - TBA Sept 2016
Aya Painting Guide - Complete and waiting for upload
Kara Black Skin Painting Guide - Now a video and waiting on my final approval
Digital Art book - will be the final thing we take care of (most likely September along with our final KS update)
The lack of instructions is one of the most disappointing parts of KD- that horrible phoenix, I've assembled three of them, and every time it's like the worst puzzle ever, but in 3D. Also, for anyone building arm sets, some of them don't match the correct #a/#b pairs, so be sure to dry fit them.
So... also a request- does anyone have the decorative insert that came with some of the early monsters? I think the flower knight and lion came with them. I'd be very interested in one.
I don't even know what they're called or what most of them are supposed to look like. Numbered parts would be great but hey, only newbies need numbered parts for model kits, amirite?
The narrow face goes with the two half manes and the weird cuppy thing for the lion
the narrow one with the big eyes is antelope, it's 's the same on both, with the big one having separate horns (the small one's whole)
the human head with the hands is the god, small one's complete, big one has the ornaments behind it to match
the phoenix is definitely the trickiest- the plumage with the circle in the middle- that's where you stick the bone beak lower jaw, the little round face with the cat sort of thing, the droopy bit's the mustache, the tongue somehow fits in there, and the big one gets more feathers to match the other side- haven't actually built that one but it's the only think that makes sense.
the big tooth one with the tentacle halo is the man mask, both are complete. same with the squinty face as the death mask and complete.
And yeah... just numbering related components like 5a through 5d would have gone a long way.
Well, correctly and/or intuitively numbering them. Why those horrible hands didn't start at one end and end at the other, I have no idea.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Well, correctly and/or intuitively numbering them. Why those horrible hands didn't start at one end and end at the other, I have no idea.
When I built my Phoenix it dawned on me that in all likelinessthe reasoning was along the lines of "feth you and feth your logic!" or something.
Yeah, it's really, just, kinda' lame. No idea why there aren't renders somewhere that have it broken down where even if it's not the most elegant, it at least shows how things go together. Better than a regularly wrong fan guide.
Oh man, I hate the spare head sprue, another one that should've HAD fething NUMBERED PARTS. Instead of just labelling the arms, why not go all the way..?
spiralingcadaver wrote: The lack of instructions is one of the most disappointing parts of KD- that horrible phoenix, I've assembled three of them, and every time it's like the worst puzzle ever, but in 3D. Also, for anyone building arm sets, some of them don't match the correct #a/#b pairs, so be sure to dry fit them.
So... also a request- does anyone have the decorative insert that came with some of the early monsters? I think the flower knight and lion came with them. I'd be very interested in one.
Hey, did anyone here get the promo cards? I heard the new arms take a new location/innovation, though was most curious where you make the tabard and thong, as both modify existing sets...
Got this in the newsletter: "We will be launching a kickstarter to fund the reprint of Kingdom Death: Monster on Friday November 25, 2016 - Black Friday. I will be offering no details or glimpses, as I prefer to keep it a surprise."
Also:
Spoiler:
Plus a cute back to school image, for their intern and one of their game designers:
Why is it that everyone outside of the US is being neglected with these LE models? Its honestly bs and making me not want to invest in this game anymore as a collector.
i'm not convinced they have restocked the other warehouses, I fear what they have is just what was send in the single shipment that brought over the KS stuff
Pretty unhappy with the handling of that. A tone with a lot of excuses and the "hey, to commemorate us failing to deliver, here's a t-shirt to buy" bit was a pretty irritating attitude.
I have delayed the production of Kingdom Death: Monster 1.5 to make the following changes:
The Showdown board is now shrink wrapped.
The Monster Control Panel is now packed within the folded Showdown board.
Shipping box upgraded to Heavy Duty Triple Ply.
Shipping box includes foam around the edges of the game.
Estimated fulfillment date is now end of September / Early October.
(Originally end of August.)
I honestly didn't think it was shipping in August anyway...
Yeah, the announcement was that things would hopefully be shipping by gencon (presumably because it would mean backers didn't feel burned by gencon availability).
And yeah, hardly shocking, though the reasoning is a bit lame that it came this late.
I wonder when Poots is going to collect Shipping for Wave 1 Cores & Upgrades. I'm assuming he opens the floodgates after Gencon, as he is now locked in for the packaging, so he knows the exact weight and dimensions, right?
I also wonder if I'll be able to add a few more Wave 3+ items at that time.
Yeah. I was trying to "budget" a little during the KS and initial PM. Now, there are more things I want to add, like the Death Armor and a few other pinups. Probably the Black Knight, too.
I made sure I found money for all the expansions and 'game' content I wanted - just in case we don't get another go at adding stuff - but yeah, I'm still hoping to add in 3 or 4 pinups and that gooftastic "Super Survivors" set.
Kingdom Death wrote:Pledge Manager Closes November 30th at 11PM EST. Please make your final deliberations and remember to please pledge responsibly. Thank you!
Ultimately, I spent a little more than I had previously intended. Shocking, right?
While I'm still adding the Death Armor and Black Knight, I decided to get the $75 Gryphon at -$75 savings instead of $50 Honeycomb Weaver at -$25 savings. Down the line, I figure it'll be much more likely to get the Weaver near $50 than the Gryphon near $75.
When the Death Armour set comes out, would someone be willing to post which expansions are required to make all the pieces? One of the reasons I didn't get it was because I'm not getting several of the 1.5 monster expansions.
The update about it mentions making it 'in time to face the Gold Smoke Knight or any other badass standing at the end of your campaign' so I think that means all the monsters from the 'regular' KD:M box?
But yes, of course, once it is out in the wild we'll put the details of what's required to craft it.
Just be sure to remind us - as this is a ways away!
LordRogalDorn wrote: When the Death Armour set comes out, would someone be willing to post which expansions are required to make all the pieces? One of the reasons I didn't get it was because I'm not getting several of the 1.5 monster expansions.
The Death Armor says it requires pretty much all of your settlement's bones, so my understanding is that it's designed such that you need to spend 20-plus LYs to farm the huge gakload of bones in order to build it. So it's doable, just requiring a LOT of work. That would make it a deliberate counterpoint to the Green Armor which requires specific bits and pieces from 4+ expansions. I suspect the optimal monsters / expansions to hunt for Death Armor will give more bones than average, as opposed to providing a particular whatnot. Of course, that's just speculation, so we'll see.
Also, I'm not getting ALL of the 1.5 expansions, either.
But I am wondering if it would be possible to build Death Armor *and* Green Armor in parallel.
LordRogalDorn wrote: When the Death Armour set comes out, would someone be willing to post which expansions are required to make all the pieces? One of the reasons I didn't get it was because I'm not getting several of the 1.5 monster expansions.
The Death Armor says it requires pretty much all of your settlement's bones, so my understanding is that it's designed such that you need to spend 20-plus LYs to farm the huge gakload of bones in order to build it. So it's doable, just requiring a LOT of work. That would make it a deliberate counterpoint to the Green Armor which requires specific bits and pieces from 4+ expansions. I suspect the optimal monsters / expansions to hunt for Death Armor will give more bones than average, as opposed to providing a particular whatnot. Of course, that's just speculation, so we'll see.
Also, I'm not getting ALL of the 1.5 expansions, either.
But I am wondering if it would be possible to build Death Armor *and* Green Armor in parallel.
Ya, it was the line "Made from the bones of only the greatest monster bones, the Death Armor is..." that made me reconsider it. With the Green Knight armor requiring basically every expansion from the first Kickstarter to produce, I was assuming that the Death Armor would follow like the Green Knight armor and require bones from all the 1.5 expansions to produce. But I'm totally willing to be wrong on this one because the concept art drawings for that set look amazing.
Were we supposed to pay for shipping already? I sent them a ticket asking about paying for shipping the one dinky thing I ordered from this wave instead of paying more for shipping than for the dinky, and they never got back to me.
You should have had your CC on file, which Adam would have run several days ago.
As for shipping, the KS said minimum $15 +$3/item, so $18 was what you should have expected to pay for Wave 2, even if it was just the Green Armor sprue in bag.
I'm not off to a good start because, while I definitely already have my Core 1.5 box stuff, I can't remember when it shipped/arrived.
Wave 2 - Estimated Delivery Winter 2017 (Still hoping for Summer 2017)
Current Expansions
This date was missed but I guess not by that much IF you ignore the "still hoping for Summer 2017" thing.
Winter 2017 would mean no later than December 2017?
So only about 3 months late?
Wave 3 - Estimated Delivery Spring 2018
Gambler's Box, Promo and cross-over figures
Given that he looks to be at least 3 months behind schedule on was was largely stuff that was already done, are we thinking a date of Late Summer 2018 (August) or Winter 2018 (December?) looks more realistic here?
Wave 4 - Estimated Delivery Spring 2019
New Expansions
Too far out to probably even guess at, but...I'd guess this one slips to November/December 2019, if not into 2020.
Wave 5 & Beyond - Estimated Delivery Winter 2020
???
Even I don't know for 100% what may happen during this campaign.
Do we know if Adam thinks anything from this campaign qualifies as "Wave 5"?
Mysterio wrote: Winter 2017 would mean no later than December 2017?
Nope. "Winter 2017" means "start shipping by the end of 'winter' season starting 2017", so it means that the first backer shipment leaves his dock before Winter 2017 ends Mar 20, 2018. Adam started shipping Mar 7, 2018, so he was 3 weeks early.
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Adam anticipated a 3-month rolling delay from the initial KS estimates, so I think that's what we should measure against:
KS initial estimate:
1. Summer 2017 (Sep 22, 2017)
2. Winter 2017 (Mar 20, 2018)
3. Spring 2018
4. Spring 2019
5. Winter 2020 - if needed
KS final estimate (w/ rolling delay):
1. Fall 2017
2. Spring 2018
3. Summer 2018
4. Summer 2019
Actual Shipping (global start, not local receipt):
1. October 13, 2017
2. March 7, 2018
Depending on how one understands "spring" and "summer", it looks like Adam was within a few weeks of his final estimates. On average, both Wave 1 and 2 can be fairly counted as starting "on time".
It is possible that he's ready to start Wave 3 by "Summer 2018", again, depending on what one means by "summer". Summer 2018 is from Jun 21 - Sep 22, so that's definitely possible. All of the narrative Survivors and pinups appear ready to go, so it's just down to the Monsters and rules. I wouldn't be upset (or surprised) if it pushed into Q4 2018.
Summer 2019 is even farther down the line, but it's doable. OTOH, Adam might spend more time polishing it, so it's hard to say.
SeanDrake wrote: So if your a Druid then it's not really late however if your a normal person then it's pretty late.
Also have we seen a candidate for expansions that won't get made and will only be advised of this after 5yrs and shortly before KD2 launches.
No... I'm a normal person, and I'm simply going by what he said he'd do. He's doing it, and he's on time. Claiming that he's late, when he's not is petty falsehood.
If you're still butthurt over getting a 100% refund over the Lantern Festival, you should take it somewhere else. Like, I dunno, say, Palladium Books Robotech. See how much sympathy you get there.
And I stupidly automatically ordered 2, went back and found out it's a limit of 1 per customer... whoops. How do i make sure they don't cancel my order now?
"Is the gamblers chest still on its expected timeline?"
Adam Poots wrote:@Jeremy, most likely not. The Gambler’s Chest It is still deep in development, both rules-wise and engineering miniatures. I am pushing the envelope on the quality, using finer cutter sizes for the smallest details of the tools and I have been building the “meat” on top of the skeleton that is Advanced KD:M. I am hoping to have a firmer timeline on when we can expect it by around Gencon. (August).
With the 3-month rolling delay that Adam estimated during the KS means that shipping the first box by 20 September, 2018 would be "on time". I imagine Adam is trying for earliest start in Q4 2018 (October), right before the holiday rush. Otherwise, it pushes to January, after the Holiday season. If that's the case, he would be able to announce Wave 3 production start during Gencon.
Not surprisingly, Adam is pushing quality and detail, and that is impacting the timeline somewhat. Also, that Advanced KD:M will be the new game foundation going forward. That's all totally consistent with what I'd expect from him, and no worries. I love and admire his commitment to quality!
Echoes of Death is a re-imagining (in plastic!) of 4 generic (i.e. non-Monster) pinup-like models to bring them into KD:M, and it also includes a new "Strain" system that adds onto the Campaign to further develop your Settlement.
It's not part of the KS at all, which is why I didn't mention it here.
I think it's pretty significant in that it highlights a few things:
1. Generic Classes are *not* part of the Monster (otherwise, he'd have remastered the for plastic, rather than reimagining them by translating their generic fantasy designs into Monster-specific designs.
2. There are significant revamps to how Settlements will develop, where individual Survivors bring benefits to the Settlement as a whole. This further emphasizes the Settlement over the Survivor, just in case that wasn't clear before.
3. It's hard plastic, so Adam has managed to secure more plastic production, so it's possible that the GC and other Wave 3 content is also in production, in addition to the 3rd round of original Expansion production.
I have a feeling it'll be Screaming God for me - everything I've seen so far just totally wows me. I wonder if the Alpha Armors / Screaming God Armors will show.
I wish there was something I didn't either already own or back for.
At this point I'd just be buying stuff to speculate with and I already missed my chance to do that with the Gambler's Chest if I was going to resell anything.
With how much that sucker's been bloated in price I'm quite eager to see just how much has been added to it. It's almost getting to be another base set worth of stuff!
Eager for tomorrow's update (and hopefully a shot at something new in plastic)!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I already missed my chance to do that with the Gambler's Chest if I was going to resell anything.
With how much that sucker's been bloated in price I'm quite eager to see just how much has been added to it. It's almost getting to be another base set worth of stuff!
I don't think much has been added to the GC post-KS. During the KS, Adam had already revealed it to contain basically another Core worth of models. If you look at the raw counts, the GC actually contains ~10 more models than the 1.5 Core. Granted that some of the Survivors are more pinup than fighter, but it's still a lot of content. The Core likely has more, fancier print, along with the board and organizer.
The new price of the Gamblers Chest makes sense, that already had a heck of a lot of content, but I'm wondering what's gone into the Campaign of Death set to bump the price by $80.
aku-chan wrote: The new price of the Gamblers Chest makes sense, that already had a heck of a lot of content, but I'm wondering what's gone into the Campaign of Death set to bump the price by $80.
An extra 150 pages that upgrades all the original expansions to 1.5, including updated cards.
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Mysterio wrote: Where are you guys seeing/getting this new info/updates?
My mind is kinda reeling from all the info being dumped on us. Almost leaves me with more questions than I had before.
Since there's nothing really new in the BF sale and I don't feel like trying to scalp stuff (plus the few models I wanted dupes of sold out already), I figure I'll be grabbing a plastic Satan since there's four of them now.
Big question is, do I want to grab a Pinups of Death II or the plastic board as well, as that's all I don't have.
I have 2 of the pinups from that box already painted, but don't own the rest. The board I have no clue what that's going to really end up like. I'd hoped we'd get more info on it. I feel like it's an item that could end up with a major price hike the more it gets developed.
The test pops from the hard tooling that he was able to share look great.
I am super happy with everything that he showed that I had already backed: * Gambler's Chest (& esp. Gambler) * Advanced KD:M looks good, and I like that he's focused on ensuring that new stuff adds value, rather than bloat * First Hero & Veteran Survivors * Screaming God, Parasite Queen & Illuminated * Black Knight & Squires * Ivory Dragon & Satan Survivors I had hoped to see Red Witches, and more Abyssal Woods / Inverted Mountain, but I guess they weren't ready yet!
I ended up adding * Honeycomb Weaver, because I like the Titan Bee as a Node 1 (and it completes the Abyssal collection)
I like what he's doing with Campaigns of Death, esp. moving it to Wave 3, but I'm not sure that I like it for $125, especially as I'm already adding $85 worth of stuff to the pile.
OTOH, for essentially similar money at $110, I really like Pinups of Death III... The models are really captivating, but $110 is a lot to add with basically no in-game content
Still not likely to add Nightmare Ram, Pathfinders, Frogdog, but I'm considering Oblivion Mosquito.
I'm glad to have a few days to think about the adds.
A new bigger, meaner, lion sculpt seems to be coming at some point...
That, and there's maybe a "Crimson Crocdile" in the GC (mentioned under Advanced KD:M)?
If so, presumably, the Crocodile would replace the Gorm as a huntable monster for Organ, so that makes sense, being able to hunt more for organ, bone, or hide.
It would be super helpful if Adam could clarify if there are other extra models being added
At the end of the day, I ended up holding with just Honeycomb Weaver being added. My outstanding KDM pledge looks like this:
Wave 3
* Gambler's Chest
* Pinup Black Knight
Wave 4
* First Hero
* Red Witches
* Black Knight
* Gryphon
* Screaming God
* Death Armor
* Ivory Dragon
* Honeycomb Weaver [BF'18]
* Abyssal Woods
I had gone back-and-forth over the Campaigns, and realized I already had "enough" additional gameplay incoming on top of the stuff I had in hand that I didn't really need more.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: It amazes me that you haven't just succumbed to the game and gone all in at this point John.
Oh, that's easy to explain: I don't love all of the models.
For whatever reason, most of the Inverted Mountain / Silver City stuff just doesn't appeal to me, nor the Role Survivors and other homages, so I passed on them. While things like the Oblivion Mosquito are well-executed, they just don't have enough sense of whimsy (Black Knight, Red Witches), giant awesomeness (Ivory Dragon, Gryphon), or eye-catching charm (Abyssal Woods) to get me to buy them.
As far as playing goes, you definitely need a fully-cleared table. 5' x 3' at a minimum, plus extra storage for stuff. A full Lantern Year play session is something of a sprawling affair that can be a bit of a challenge to wrangle as you shift from Hunt to Showdown to Settlement.
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