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Post by: Zweischneid
CptJake wrote:Don't you get the four starter humans AND the two named humans?
You get the four starter humans in the game and four named human survivors (Adam, Anna, Aya, Paul) with survivor on Kickstarter.
But if you just get the game (retail or the Kickstarter pledge) you just get 4
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
So we should get to see two updates today. It made it from 500k to 535k overnight, that's nuts!
Wonder what the 525k goal was, since we never saw a teaser for it.
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Post by: RiTides
There are also 4 "unarmored kit" models, in addition to the 4 starting survivors. So, you can run a game with 6.
But I am wishing for 6 of all the armors, too- hopefully it will make it into Survivor.
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Post by: Zweischneid
 The Fragile Breath wrote:So we should get to see two updates today. It made it from 500k to 535k overnight, that's nuts!
Wonder what the 525k goal was, since we never saw a teaser for it.
There was no 525k goal, but a 535k goal, which was just knocked down (Regeneration Suit?).
Generally, I'd expect stretch goals to keep stretching (no pun intended). I think I heard someone saying new stretch goals for another + ~10% of the current amount is a good rule of thumb for Kickstarter campaigns (and by that rule, KD would be putting them in faster than average), simply because there are already more people in the pot, a % of which will up their pledge for a new stretch goal.
Reaper finished with stretch goals some 200K apart, and they still got knocked down in mere minutes in the end-craze.
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Post by: Starweaver
You get four starter humans, you also get the unarmored kit in the box because of the stretch goals, which are basically 4 extra starting models (2 male, 2 female).
The other two, adam and anna are more like 'special characters' from what i understood, with their own rules and perhaps even mini scenario.
edit: ritides got it before me, i should learn to hit refresh before posting 
and edit again just to clarify: the four extra unarmoured models are an upgrade to the base box, so everyone who buys the box gets them, regardless wether you get the 100$ pleadge, survivor or buy it later on.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
 Zweischneid wrote: The Fragile Breath wrote:So we should get to see two updates today. It made it from 500k to 535k overnight, that's nuts!
Wonder what the 525k goal was, since we never saw a teaser for it.
There was no 525k goal, but a 535k goal, which was just knocked down (Regeneration Suit?).
Generally, I'd expect stretch goals to keep stretching (no pun intended). I think I heard someone saying new stretch goals for another + ~10% of the current amount is a good rule of thumb for Kickstarter campaigns (and by that rule, KD would be putting them in faster than average), simply because there are already more people in the pot, a % of which will up their pledge for a new stretch goal.
Reaper finished with stretch goals some 200K apart, and they still got knocked down in mere minutes in the end-craze.
475K - An old favorite
500K - Game Expansion
525K - Something Sleek
That's why I said that, that was from an earlier update on the kickstarter.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, he previewed it that way but it became 535K in the latest update.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Oh. Forgot about that old update. My bad.
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Post by: Trodax
 RiTides wrote:I am just wondering if Adam is keeping in mind a total price to get all "game content" add-ons.
At this rate, it's going to be rather high. And while I love the look of this game, once I go past $300 for what is ostensibly a board game... I don't know, it starts to sound crazy!
Sooooooo yeah... I just sold my Rhulic to help fund this, but I'm usually "all or nothing", so if I can't get all, I get drawn back towards nothing...
Funny you should say this; I find that these expensive addons are kind of having a negative effect on my willingness to spend. I went into this with a BF Survivor, seemed like a great deal, and I quickly added when the expansions started rolling in (wow, a dragon for $30, sounds good to me!). Then the Manhunter made me up my pledge slightly to an even $300. But now I'm sitting at $300, which I kind of feel has to be my maximum here; the minis are gorgeous, but it is foremost a boardgame, and I actually never buy boardgames that I haven't read a couple reviews for. And the thing is, there's a whole month to go on this; I'm sure there will be a bunch more awesome expansions unlocked... and this has kind of got me thinking along the lines of 'well if I can't get them all, perhaps I should skip expansions entirely', and I've actually seriously started to consider lowering my pledge and just going with the basic Survivor package.
I feel pretty silly feeling this way, because the deal I'm getting is as good as a few days ago when I pledged for it, but... yeah. And I don't think this Kickstarter is badly run or anything; in fact, Mr Poots seems very responsible with what is put into the stretch goals. But perhaps all these pricey options kind of clash with my particular mental configuration or something, I dunno.
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Post by: RiTides
No, it makes sense... I think the Survivor pledge also had an expectation that it would get some additional items from the stretch goals, and I think it will. But most of the recent stretches have been pay-to-play, making the Survivor not feel Quite as awesome as it did at first blush.
I still think it's a great deal at the moment, and if you're in this for game-content-only (as I think I will have to be) then the only add-ons that have gone towards the cost have been the Flower Knight, Dragon, and now Gorm.
So that's $85 additional out of the $300 allotted (if you're setting your max there as you mention, and as I am).
So there's a decent amount of funds left to allocate towards further game expansions. It sure would be nice to see Survivor get a Game Content item free, though (rather than models that can't be used in the game)... or, doubled every armor eventually to make it a true 6-player game for armor upgrades.
But while I feel the same way, deciding to pass on the Gorm really helped me here, and leaves me with only the Flower Knight and Dragon as paid add-ons, so I've got $126 left out of my max $300 pledge to try to get any other game content that gets added. Or, if it's too much, just the content that I like best, I guess.
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Post by: Trodax
Yeah, I have international shipping cutting out a chunk too. What I was looking at was BF Survivor ($130), shipping ($45), dragon ($30), flower knight ($15), Gorm ($40) and the extra bases ($40)... and that totals up to $300 exactly. But those bases will have to go at least, and perhaps I could drop that freaky Gorm guy too if/when other stuff shows up...
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
You get free shipping anywhere in the world if you're pledging $300, I believe. amirite?
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Ah yes, Lion Knight added at $585k. Mission accepted.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
No, no free shipping at all
(Shiping to Canada is reduced to $30 for any game box level but that's the only reduction)
If you pledge $300+ you qualify as a 'Herald of Death' and get the Manhunter expansion ($20) free though
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Post by: primalexile
New update is out.
Looks like my favorite model is going to make an appearance at 585 and will be free to Heralds of Death.
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Post by: DaveC
Well if you were on the fence about getting the Gorm getting the regeneration suit included with it for no extra charge may just change your mind it effectively makes the Gorm $25
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Still recovering from the half a million shock!
535k? Wow!
Hope your ready, I still have more! One nice thing about being a one person operation is that there is so much content I simply never had the chance to release! It is looking like this kickstarter might just squeeze all of that out tho!
We have unlocked the optional Regeneration Suit and as many of you have guessed it is indeed a Gorm Armor Pinup. However, when the artist and I started to work on it we ended up simply arming her in the skin-tight Regeneration Suit that is an in game piece of gear. Normally its meant to be worn under armor and so there is no miniature that represents it, so this seemed like a great excuse to do just that! She can be added as a reward in plastic for +$15 or in resin for +$25. I have a fantastic sculptor lined up for her, but work on her won't begin until jan.
Since we will be moving past the Gorm now ( my first big monster, big place in my heart ) I wanted to give an extra gift to everyone that is pledging for the Gorm Expansion. As a kickstarter bonus gift, I will be including the Regeneration Suit with the Gorm Expansion for anyone who wants it! I will not be offering a trade in on this, sorry. It's just too complex. So its either a, yes please or no thank you. I hope you understand.
LOOKING AT 585K NOW! Hopefully you guys won't destroy the goal before I get a chance to eat dinner and work on the next gameplay video! Still working on making the rewards clear, it all needs a bit of thought and I want to make sure its finally clear. So thank you again to the people whom have been kindly explaining it to the new people coming to the kickstarter.
The 585K small expansion will be added to the reward pile for those Herald of Death people, mainly because they are just so badass. The herald of death is a title people whom have pledged over $300 automatically get. They have given this project a ton and so it is trying to give back!
This is awesome, you guys are awesome, time to go shovel food into my face! YAH!
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:No, no free shipping at all
(Shiping to Canada is reduced to $30 for any game box level but that's the only reduction)
If you pledge $300+ you qualify as a 'Herald of Death' and get the Manhunter expansion ($20) free though
Oh, I read it wrong. International shipping "counts towards reaching $300" making you a Herald of Death. 10-4.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
A great stretch for Heralds of Death
Free Regeneration Suit Pin-Up if you get the Gorm Expansion
and Free Lion Knight Expansion to come (so I don't have to 'drop' another pinup yet)
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Post by: primalexile
I do not like any of the pin ups myself but I will not turn down one for free :^) It will more or less become a free gift to whoever I hire to paint my mini's.
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Post by: Trodax
Here I was talking about lowering my pledge from $300 and what happens? Free expansion if you pledge at least $300!!! Damn, not going to be able to get out of this, am I? :-)
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Trodax wrote:Here I was talking about lowering my pledge from $300 and what happens? Free expansion if you pledge at least $300!!! Damn, not going to be able to get out of this, am I? :-)
Never retreat, never surrender
(never give up KS pledges unless something goes badly wrong  )
and it's TWO free expansions (Manhunter now, and Lion Knight at 585K)
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Post by: Alpharius
For free*?
OK!
*You know what I mean!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I doubt we'll get his "ladies" as well as him (they're not in the silouette),
but you never know
It's excellent either way
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Post by: Trodax
I know, I know; got me by the balls he has, that Mr Poots.
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Post by: Soul of Iron
Damn, I'm going to throw soooo much money into this. I want this game more then I wanted Sedition Wars!
My poor wallet!
Shawn G. (SoI)
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Post by: Phaeron
Fine, Poots! I'm keeping my survivor reward, and I'm planning on taking the Dragon and Flower Knight. However, I am going to up my pledge to $300 total. I'll determine exactly what to do with the extra $100 when all the dust has settled.
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Post by: Alpharius
There will be plenty to spend that on, and then some!, before we're all done!
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Post by: Soul of Iron
I have to get all those pin-ups, and the Gorm/Dragon/Flower Knight expansions. I'm going to be broke...
SoI
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Post by: RiTides
Wow, just when I was complaining a bit about things, he sweetens the deal for $300 backers. "Free" Lion Knight and Manhunter... yep. It rocks.
I don't think the regeneration suit swings me enough to get the Gorm. But we'll see how many options there are at the end to allocate the $300 towards... I have a feeling it will still be the lowest on my list given how awesome the other monsters are.
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Post by: kingdomdeath
In regards to Starting Survivors,
There are currently 4 starting survivors and two "unarmored" miniatures that you can use to easily create 2 more miniatures for a 6 player campaign. At this time I am unsure if I will extend past the 4 iconic survivor characters.
Kickstarter Deals & Expectations
Kickstarter is a crazy thing. It's also a pretty amazing thing thats happened in this tiny man niche. It's quite a balancing act between, communication, feasibility and expectations. Expectations being the hardest of all. This project has been my dream and I've worked long and hard to make it real. I can only sincerely ask for everyones understanding when it comes to financial realities, while on my end I will uphold both a serious sense of responsibility and generosity.
Thank you.
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Post by: cincydooley
Dd he mention anywhere if the free pinup would be resin or plastic?
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Post by: Sasori
Excellent, I really like the Lion Knight model. I'm looking forward to getting that one!
I haven't hit 300 yet (I'm at 250 right now) I'm sure I will over the course of the Kickstarter. I plan on nabbing up every expansion, and a few of the pinups I like. I'm sure I'll hit well into the 300 range by the time this kickstarter ends.
While I'm not a big fan of the Gorm Model, I feel that the entire expansion is worth it. I don't want to loose out on all the extra fun in the boardgame, just because I'm not a fan of the model.
Looking forward to the next big expansion!
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Post by: RedSarge
I already have a Lion knight! Darn, oh well guess I'll convert one or something, not much room to convert the Lion Knight.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
This is starting to hit Reaper levels for me, the "it'd be stupid not to get this" phase.
But January is just around the corner, and that's a lot of car bills... and I went $500 into Relic Knights...
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Post by: Dentry
 Sasori wrote:Excellent, I really like the Lion Knight model. I'm looking forward to getting that one!
I haven't hit 300 yet (I'm at 250 right now) I'm sure I will over the course of the Kickstarter. I plan on nabbing up every expansion, and a few of the pinups I like. I'm sure I'll hit well into the 300 range by the time this kickstarter ends.
While I'm not a big fan of the Gorm Model, I feel that the entire expansion is worth it. I don't want to loose out on all the extra fun in the boardgame, just because I'm not a fan of the model.
Looking forward to the next big expansion!
My self-imposed cap right now is $220. But fortunately - or unfortunately, depends on your perspective - I'll probably end up going over $300 as well once the kickstarter reaches its conclusion. There are plenty more goodies sure to come!
Also, the Gorm model's head is good but I'm not a fan its hands or the model overall. You could always use a count-as model or take the opportunity to model something yourself. I'll probably see about conversion work on the existing Gorm model (if I end up going over $300) or build something from scratch.
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Post by: DaveC
Yep in the updates comments the free one is plastic there is no swapping it or using it in part exchange for the resin version you take it or you don't if you want it in resin you have to pay $25 extra.
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Post by: Makaleth
 H.B.M.C. wrote:This is starting to hit Reaper levels for me, the "it'd be stupid not to get this" phase.
But January is just around the corner, and that's a lot of car bills... and I went $500 into Relic Knights...
Yeah, it's crazy.
Ask if you can add a survivor onto my pledge... that at least saves $45
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Post by: DaveC
 Makaleth wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:This is starting to hit Reaper levels for me, the "it'd be stupid not to get this" phase.
But January is just around the corner, and that's a lot of car bills... and I went $500 into Relic Knights...
Yeah, it's crazy.
Ask if you can add a survivor onto my pledge... that at least saves $45
Yep Adam confirmed this in update 22s comments
Creator Kingdom Death 3 days ago
@Maxime Gauthier,
1 ) Yes you can add another +$155 for another survivor reward pacakge
2 ) Hm, its only 4 miniatures in total. ( 2 male, 2 female ) I'll revise it.
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Post by: Makaleth
 DaveC wrote: Makaleth wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:This is starting to hit Reaper levels for me, the "it'd be stupid not to get this" phase.
But January is just around the corner, and that's a lot of car bills... and I went $500 into Relic Knights...
Yeah, it's crazy.
Ask if you can add a survivor onto my pledge... that at least saves $45
Yep Adam confirmed this in update 22s comments
Creator Kingdom Death 3 days ago
@Maxime Gauthier,
1 ) Yes you can add another +$155 for another survivor reward pacakge
2 ) Hm, its only 4 miniatures in total. ( 2 male, 2 female ) I'll revise it.
Thanks Dave!
Nice option
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Post by: RiTides
Sasori- I had the same thought, the Gorm looks ripe for conversion work. It will just depend on if I have enough money to allocate towards it- $40 is almost a third of what I have left unallocated, so we'll see by the end!
I would absolutely LOVE if Adam could make $300 the secondary sweet spot, and fit it such that all "game content" add-ons fit at that level. If so, it'd be a no-brainer for me to get the Gorm.
However, if it takes $400 to get all "game content", then the Gorm is probably first in line on the "to cut" list Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, we're rolling through his content so I'm wondering- what additional monsters are left that we've seen?
Spidericules
The King
I think the Forge God is not going to be included, and he's already confirmed that the Wet Nurse will not be (a smart move). What else have we seen for monsters?
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Post by: Shlazaor
I broke down yesterday and contributed 300. The game looks fun as hell and the mini's are awesome. Disappointed with the regeneration suit pin up art because the face just doesn't look developed. But I am happy they are trying something new (the faces for the last four looked very similiar). My biggest worry now is that Poot's make sure his project is financially sustainable. I love freebies, it's the advantage to kickstarter, and also why I've contributed so much. But I'd much rather have him release new content over the next five years that I can blow my money on.
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Post by: grefven
RiTides wrote:
Also, we're rolling through his content so I'm wondering- what additional monsters are left that we've seen?
Spidericules
The King
I think the Forge God is not going to be included, and he's already confirmed that the Wet Nurse will not be (a smart move). What else have we seen for monsters?
Sunstalker Infant :p
Then there are a few unreleased ones that can be seen on the KD FB page, etc. but which are unclear if they are monsters or whatnot.
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Post by: RiTides
I thought he had said the Sunstalker infant was a no-go, now that you mention it? But maybe that's not right. The Lion Knight is in, after all, just without the ladies on the base 
Shlazor, I think he's balancing quite well! But the way to do really well is to incentivize higher pledges, which is why these latest perks for the $300 level is really smart.
Also, remember you're giving this money a year in advance, so with interest it's actually quite a bit more
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Post by: primalexile
Conversion idea for Gorm! Throw that head on a clear plastic dowel or use a stormraven base and stand and turn him into a Giant floating head!
I really hope we hit 585k. The lion knight is one of my fav models.
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Post by: Sasori
primalexile wrote:Conversion idea or Gorm! Throw that head on a clear plastic dowel or use a stormraven base and stand and turn him into a Giant floating head!
I really hope we hit 585k. The lion knight is one of my fav models.
I'm 100% confident we will, within a day.
Since we're getting the Lion Knight at 585, I wonder if there is going to be another Major expansion at 600k?
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Post by: Alpharius
Sasori wrote:primalexile wrote:Conversion idea or Gorm! Throw that head on a clear plastic dowel or use a stormraven base and stand and turn him into a Giant floating head!
I really hope we hit 585k. The lion knight is one of my fav models.
I'm 100% confident we will, within a day.
No kidding!
This one will get to a million, plus or minus $100K or so, no problem!
Sasori wrote:
Since we're getting the Lion Knight at 585, I wonder if there is going to be another Major expansion at 600k?
That is doubtful.
I think he's going to go the 10% route pretty soon in terms of what it takes to add in anything major, and at that, we'll probably have to contribute more as well...
I think he's planned financially for this stuff well...
And RiTides, I think we realize you don't like the Grom!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I suspect the Sunstalker infant will not feature for the same reason as the Wet Nurse
(it includes large, very obvious male genitals, often hidden by the 'vomit' coming out of the mouth, but it is there)
My guess is it will be pinup time again after the Lion Knight (or maybe a chance to add his court?)
whatever he pulls out of the bag it should be cool
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Post by: DaveC
That's what I'm hoping Orlando - I'd say the Lion Knight will be on his own without attendants but hopefully there will be an add on to get them so those that don't want them just get the Lion Knight and those that do have the option to add them - keeps everyone happy. The 3 attendants seem to fall into the "Pin up" category none are nude as such just scantily dressed (with minor wardrobe malfunctions)
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Post by: Shlazaor
Would definitely love to see some lion knight pin ups...
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Post by: recruittons
I genuinely hope a lion knight pin-up is a scantily clad woman with a lionesses head. That would get a chuckle out of me for sure
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Post by: Dentry
recruittons wrote:I genuinely hope a lion knight pin-up is a scantily clad woman with a lionesses head. That would get a chuckle out of me for sure
My thoughts exactly. Better yet, the pin-up could be the actual Lion Knight in very revealing briefs.
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Dentry wrote:recruittons wrote:I genuinely hope a lion knight pin-up is a scantily clad woman with a lionesses head. That would get a chuckle out of me for sure
My thoughts exactly. Better yet, the pin-up could be the actual Lion Knight in very revealing briefs.
Best idea. I would do my best to free-hand a tramp stamp on him
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Post by: RiTides
Dentry wrote:recruittons wrote:I genuinely hope a lion knight pin-up is a scantily clad woman with a lionesses head. That would get a chuckle out of me for sure
My thoughts exactly. Better yet, the pin-up could be the actual Lion Knight in very revealing briefs.
Lol
And Alph, I wasn't intentionally trying to emphasize my dislike for the Gorm in that last post, but more thinking out loud about what I want to get and trying to talk myself into it . But noted, not trying to beat a drum about it here! I may well end up getting it, it just depends on what other monsters / game content get added by the end.
And Lion Knight I am in 110% percent on 
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Post by: Alpharius
recruittons wrote:Dentry wrote:recruittons wrote:I genuinely hope a lion knight pin-up is a scantily clad woman with a lionesses head. That would get a chuckle out of me for sure
My thoughts exactly. Better yet, the pin-up could be the actual Lion Knight in very revealing briefs.
Best idea. I would do my best to free-hand a tramp stamp on him
Yeah, that's pretty much 2 of the worst ideas I've ever heard - it is like the anti-Peanut Butter Cup of the miniature world! 
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Post by: RiTides
Oh come on Alph it'd be funny at least! Equal opportunity pin-ups and all that
(I agree it's a bad idea, especially from a want-to-sell-miniatures standpoint, but it'd be highly entertaining!)
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Tramp stamp the Gorm !
and sculpt on a poorly fitting thong for a truely horrific monster
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Post by: recruittons
Man, I couldn't do that to my poor Gormy. The baby head makes that extra creepy. Although, now I'm picturing the Gorm with lipstick and eye-shadow, painting his fingernails with fun designs, and I'm crying inside.
I'll probably go with some sort of wicked mark on his forehead in blood and pure black eyes.
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Post by: squall018
I just took a look at the Gorm model and I can't decided if its awesome or just creepy as heck. I guess the two aren't mutually exclusive. Really thinking about going in at the 295$ level. This thing just looks awesome.
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Post by: RiTides
At that point, add $5 for a free Manhunter and Lion Knight for being a Herald of Death (any pledge of $300 or more) 
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Post by: Sinful Hero
It seems like this kickstarter has slowed down a lot since yesterday. Is it the weekend, or has it finally leveled off until the last minute tsunami of pledges?
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Post by: DaveC
Weekends are always a lot slower on KS for most projects KD:M missed this slow down at the start as it launched on a weekend but now it's just following normal trends.
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Sinful Hero wrote:It seems like this kickstarter has slowed down a lot since yesterday. Is it the weekend, or has it finally leveled off until the last minute tsunami of pledges?
Actually, it moved up two places on Kicktraq's Hot Seven
http://www.kicktraq.com/
It seems like this one still does better than most - relatively.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
EDIT: Got my days of the week mixed up, now fixed
Saturday much better than Saturday a week ago cash wise, the same for backers (41 vs 40 backers, and about $6.8K vs $14.6K)
Sunday looks weaker so far (but last Sunday had a stretch release coinciding with peak USA backing time),
so I think it just looks slower as the pledge target is further away
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Post by: kingdomdeath
Just to keep you guys in the loop -
To do list :
- Info Graphic Showing Rewards / Options
- Gameplay video #2
- Setting up a dedicated "monster" section of the website, high res photos of individual miniatures and an archive of stretch goals will be kept there
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Post by: grefven
 kingdomdeath wrote:Just to keep you guys in the loop -
To do list :
- Info Graphic Showing Rewards / Options
- Gameplay video #2
- Setting up a dedicated "monster" section of the website, high res photos of individual miniatures and an archive of stretch goals will be kept there
- Commission more awesome concepts to Thomas David to create.
- Announce Adam Poots for president 2016!
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Post by: Makaleth
grefven wrote: kingdomdeath wrote:Just to keep you guys in the loop -
To do list :
- Info Graphic Showing Rewards / Options
- Gameplay video #2
- Setting up a dedicated "monster" section of the website, high res photos of individual miniatures and an archive of stretch goals will be kept there
- Commission more awesome concepts to Thomas David to create.
- Announce Adam Poots for president 2016!
Wait one second... If Poots is president, then who will create our plastic crack!
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Post by: Dentry
Makaleth wrote:grefven wrote: kingdomdeath wrote:Just to keep you guys in the loop -
To do list :
- Info Graphic Showing Rewards / Options
- Gameplay video #2
- Setting up a dedicated "monster" section of the website, high res photos of individual miniatures and an archive of stretch goals will be kept there
- Commission more awesome concepts to Thomas David to create.
- Announce Adam Poots for president 2016!
Wait one second... If Poots is president, then who will create our plastic crack!
We could make the California Department of Parks and Recreation a national agency under Secretary Poots. Federally funded Kingdom Death. Voila!
Edit: Actually, probably should do the NY Dept first and then expand that - seeing as that's where Adam's from and whatnot.
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Post by: RiTides
He linked to Greg's pledge guide on the main page of the KS for now while he puts together the official one a pretty cool thing to do, imo!
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6462/kingdomedeathv5.jpg
And we'll definitely break 585K tomorrow! Can't wait for that Lion Knight.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Weekend slowdown because Kickstarter is for looking at from work, everyone knows that!
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Post by: Shlazaor
I just really want to know more about the settlement building. Creating a society from scratch in a dark and miserable land is just awesome. My only worry is that there won't be enough innovation and locations to make it replayable...
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't think that will be a problem, since much of that is based upon what monsters you encounter, defeat and then build upon - and there seems to be a pretty good system for introducing new monsters into the game too.
Also, I think the next gameplay video will show the settlement/shop building side of things, so maybe that will answer a lot of your questions and concerns too.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
 Shlazaor wrote:I just really want to know more about the settlement building. Creating a society from scratch in a dark and miserable land is just awesome. My only worry is that there won't be enough innovation and locations to make it replayable...
This should interest you, good sir: http://boardgamegeek.com/article/10733730#10733730 Kingdom Death's biggie post is on page two, towards the bottom: I am still working on exactly how to address "gameplay dullness" as it will require a very concise explanation of the KDM experience with a light sprinkling of the thoughts behind the design and a small dessert of my personal opinions as a gamer.
@Štěpán Honc,
The problem I have with fixed scenarios is that they don't feel fresh for very long. After the initial excitement of learning the scenario and running it, it's usually does not offer much replay. When I was in the early design phases of Monster, I wanted to ensure that the game was more of an experience and less "10 scenarios" in a book that were fun once.
A great throwback example of this is hero quest, with its limited scenarios vs warhammer quest which could be played 100% randomized. The design conclusion I came to is ( i feel ) a more modern combination of both of these amazing game experience types.
There is a storybook that comes with the game, depending on financial / printing realities it might just simply become a part of the rulebook, but the hope is to have it a fully independent book. The storybook is designed to be your starting point in KDM and the first few pages will have the introduction story that is in the game pitch video. Directly after being introduced to the starting survivors you will be lead into the first "showdown" that will give a quick introduction to the game rules. You will learn by going thru the battle. The story then continues bringing us to the settlement and going over how to use the resource cards you earned from the battle.
At this point, that is where the story leaves you. Nestled right up against the dawn of your civilization. From here you will play and make your own choices until the game system prompts you to re-open the story book for a "story event".
Then gameplay will proceed, directing you to major "story events" when appropriate. They are triggered in a wide variety of the ways and some of the events themselves have multiple outcomes. The "story" of your settlement and survival will be a combination of the experience you have playing the game, major story events and most importantly the decisions and outcomes of the many pivotal moments that develop during game play. Keep in mind that many of these story events are not essential to completing the game and you may have a campaign that ends up only ever touching on a few!
That is essential the "campaign mode" of the game and is it designed with the intent of being a repayable sandbox. It's not really possible to see all the content in a single play thru and between gaming groups the overall experience should be quite different.
Some stretch goals have introduced another game type within the game that I am pretty excited about. I couldn't fit them into the initial scope so I am pleased that we were able to add them. These are the one shot challenge scenarios. These are planned to be designed more like a puzzle. You will start with very specific conditions and will need to work towards an objective to win. It might range from a "kill this monster, with this exact gear and here is it's exact AI deck". Or it might be a longer single shot giving you a certain number of lantern years ( the in-game time unit ) to topple a challenge.
I feel very strongly that a proper story is "shown" instead of just told. In game terms to me, that means its something you experience in game, instead of just reading a few pages in a rulebook. The game is designed so you will learn more about the story as its happening to you.
That is of course, unless you are the type that likes to skip ahead and reads everything beforehand! Thankfully doing so will not spoil everything as it will only reveal what can possibly happen instead of what WILL happen.
Will talk more later!
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Post by: RiTides
Wow, he's really posting some informative stuff over at BGG! Thanks for the link, Coldfire.
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Post by: Alpharius
If only BBG wasn't blocked for me while at work!
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Post by: Breotan
Less than 5k away from the next stretch goal. Tell your friends to get in on this if they aren't already.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Lion Knight expansion is up. Seems as though you get the bonus figures added to his base at 600k.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
That certainly shot up overight. Currently sitting at 590!
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Post by: RiTides
Woot, Lion Knight!!
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Post by: Alpharius
Hopefully $600K is surpassed early tonight so we can see the next goal.
Maybe it will be the big Spider-thing?
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Post by: Sasori
 Alpharius wrote:Hopefully $600K is surpassed early tonight so we can see the next goal.
Maybe it will be the big Spider-thing?
I'm very eager to see the next major expansion stretch goal as well. We can't be too far off from the Monster featured in the first video, or "Spidecules"
I really want to get as much packed into this game as I can!
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Post by: Alpharius
We'll definitely be getting Spidecules (thanks for the reminder on his name!) and the King before the end, so I'm just really curious as to what we'll be getting that we DON'T know about!
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Post by: Sasori
Alpharius wrote:We'll definitely be getting Spidecules (thanks for the reminder on his name!) and the King before the end, so I'm just really curious as to what we'll be getting that we DON'T know about!
Fair enough, haha. Are we sure that that is The King at the end of the First Video? I am looking forward to some more Crazy monsters though. The Dragon King is probably my favorite expansion so far.
I'm really not familiar with too much of KD's lore, does anyone know where I could find some info? I tried looking at their Mainsite, but there isn't much there.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You can grab some info from the individual figure pages in the shop, some come with info about the monster/person
Adam is also posting a bit on here, and on the Reaper Forum (his posts linked, his comments on the KS also provide snippets of lore (again his posts linked) and Boardgame Geek (You'll need to find his stuff on there yourself, I can't link it direct)
http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/user/8782-kingdomdeath/
http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/poots/comments
http://boardgamegeek.com/forum/421588/kingdom-death-monster/general
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Post by: Alpharius
Looks like this campaign has settled into a rough average of 40 new backers a day, $300 each backer - no shock there.
So, if that's the case, this one should end up at approximately just under a million without factoring in the Last Few Days Frenzy, which could easily push it up over the current estimation of $1.4 million!
It will interesting to see what the stretch goals will be from now until say January 2nd or so - and I hope Adam is ready with a reserve of goals and models for the mania of the last 2 or 3 days!
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Post by: grefven
I hope that there will be some more new stuff added as stretch goals instead of re-using too many already seen. Maybe 1 old:1 new
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Post by: BrookM
Sorry for asking, the KS page is a bit confusing, but what is the "sweet spot" with this campaign regarding stretch goals? $155?
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Post by: Bolognesus
That gets the stretch freebies, yes. There's also the $300 level which seems to get some of the 'expansions' for sale separately, free.
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Post by: DaveC
The $155 Survivor level gets you all the Survivor eligible stretch rewards as well as all the extras added to the standard Game.
+1 extra Rawhide armor kits, two female and two male
+ 1 Plastic Phoenix
+ 1 Plastic Watcher
+ 1 extra Phoenix armor kits, two female and two male
+ A regiment of Kingsmen, x5 models
+ 1 plastic Paul the Survivor
+1 plastic Aya the Survivor
+ 4 Starting Survivor Heads
If your pledge totals $300 or more you're what Adam is calling a Herald of Death and you get the Man Hunter and Lion Knight Exapanions added for free as well.
The rest of the expansions (Flower Knight, Dragon King and The Gorm) and the pin ups are purchasable extras only.
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Post by: BrookM
Thanks, $155 it is!
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Post by: plastictrees
I'm wondering if $300 will end up being the "all game content" level. I've tried to keep away from the updates for a few days so I'm not sure where we sit in terms of current expansion $$s.
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Post by: LordRogalDorn
Also, if you are a Herald of Death and you purchase the Gorm you get the regeneration suit pinup in plastic for free
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
You don't have to be a Herald of Death to get the regeneration suit with the Gorm expansion.
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Post by: DaveC
Currently Survivor plus all game expansions only (no other extras) is $285 so getting close to the $300 level right there but depends how far this goes and how much Adam can afford to give Herald of Death backers at no extra charge.
Survivor $155
Flower Knight $15
Dragon King $30
The Gorm $40
Man Hunter $20
Lion Knight $25
Total $285
Oh and $600k is done what's next?
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Post by: CptJake
But that 285 includes some of the $300 level 'free' items, so you need to make up those dollars on other stuff.
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Post by: RiTides
Right- once $15 gets added to it, it'll actually go down by $45 since the Lion Knight and Manhunter become free at $300.
Meaning that folks who want to spend exactly $300 and get all game-related content still have $60 left to allocate (plus any savings from the Black Friday deals, if they jumped on them).
That's not going to last until the end of the campaign I don't think, so I'll probably be choosing between expansions... and if you've read my posts so far then you know which one I'll be skipping
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Post by: DaveC
CptJake wrote:But that 285 includes some of the $300 level 'free' items, so you need to make up those dollars on other stuff.
Very true but I was just trying to show exactly what the game and all expansions cost without taking anything else into account. It shows that by adding $15 more you actually end up with another $60 ($15 plus the $45 for the man hunter and lion knight) to spend on something else. However if you don't want all the expansions and the Gorm ($40) in particular it's cheaper (at this time) to just pick up the bits you want without going Herald of Death yet.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Is it this guy, RiTides?
On a less creepy note, someone dropped their $130 survivor pledge and I was able to jump on it! Yay for page refreshing at work!
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Post by: CptJake
 Lt. Coldfire wrote:
On a less creepy note, someone dropped their $130 survivor pledge and I was able to jump on it! Yay for page refreshing at work!
I may do the same thing soon, making someone else pretty happy I bet.
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Post by: DaveC
I've got to admit if it wasn't for the fact that the Gorm Armour Kit and the regeneration suit come with the Gorm for $40 I wouldn't be buying it, if you price the Gorm Armour kit at $24 like the Rawhide Armour kit add on and the Regen suit at $15 the Gorm effectively costs $1! I can live with that.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
You'd probably win that bet, CaptJake. I was happy.
Not thrilled with how the KS is progressing or did you get an early bird on a whim?
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Post by: CptJake
I liked (still like) a lot of the figures, but the game itself just isn't something I'm interested in after seeing the video. It is going to be too time intensive for me. I generally play one off games and this is clearly suited for campaigns/character progression.
That just isn't my thing at this point. I can't justify the costs (money and assembly/painting times and storage space) just to have the figures that I really don't have another use for.
I just feel bad for having committed and then backing out. I HATE going back on a promise which is why I have not backed out yet.
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Post by: Micky
Please stop making me increase my pledge...
please?
My wallet will thank you, many times. Automatically Appended Next Post: DaveC wrote:Currently Survivor plus all game expansions only (no other extras) is $285 so getting close to the $300 level right there but depends how far this goes and how much Adam can afford to give Herald of Death backers at no extra charge.
Survivor $155
Flower Knight $15
Dragon King $30
The Gorm $40
Man Hunter $20
Lion Knight $25
Total $285
Oh and $600k is done what's next?
I have to add $45 for international shipping - and then i go over $300 and get free shipping... so basicly I think i should just set the pledge at $300 and when the surveys come out just pick and choose what things to get.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
CptJake wrote: Lt. Coldfire wrote:
On a less creepy note, someone dropped their $130 survivor pledge and I was able to jump on it! Yay for page refreshing at work!
I may do the same thing soon, making someone else pretty happy I bet.
I certainly would be!
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Post by: RiTides
Micky- I assume you mean "effectively" free shipping, by saving $45 at Herald of Death.
Coldfire, you're right, and that was hilarious . Trying not to beat that drum, tho, and as DaveC points out it is a good deal. We'll see at the end!
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Post by: Makaleth
 Micky wrote:Please stop making me increase my pledge...
please?
My wallet will thank you, many times.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
DaveC wrote:Currently Survivor plus all game expansions only (no other extras) is $285 so getting close to the $300 level right there but depends how far this goes and how much Adam can afford to give Herald of Death backers at no extra charge.
Survivor $155
Flower Knight $15
Dragon King $30
The Gorm $40
Man Hunter $20
Lion Knight $25
Total $285
Oh and $600k is done what's next?
I have to add $45 for international shipping - and then i go over $300 and get free shipping... so basicly I think i should just set the pledge at $300 and when the surveys come out just pick and choose what things to get.
no no no!!
There is no free shipping on the $300.
What they said was "Shipping counts towards the $300"
IE International accounts don't need to go to $345 to get this bonus. Not if you hit $300 your shipping is free.
This has 100% been confirmed by Adam in the comments (and I thought on Dakka...)
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Post by: Fafnir
On the plus side, if you do go to $300, you get more than $45 worth of stuff, so it balances out.
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Post by: Makaleth
The real question is... how much more than $300 can I limit this thing to... not can I hit $300.
Still 20+ days to go!! This is turning into a higher cost/quality reaper bones!!
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Post by: Alpharius
If you're at $300 you're probably getting one of everything that is an add-on, and we still don't have Spidecules and the King.
Right there that's got to be another $40 each, so... another $80 already!
And, like you mentioned, there's a long way to go.
Maybe they'll be a few more freebies, but I can easily see this one being in the $450 +/- range at the end, if you want 1 of all the paid to play add-ons.
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Post by: Makaleth
Yeah, thinking about dropping all of the pin-ups (IE only getting stuff on discount). I can get them later (if I really want them) when the excitement has died down.
However, the effectively free shipping is nice.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
New update is up. And is it just me, or does the $650k stretch goal shadow resemble an humanoid dung beetle with uh... you know what next to it?
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Post by: Buzzsaw
It's... it's...
Uh.... damned if I know.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Grasshoppa? Bumble bee hybrid?
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Post by: Sasori
Thanks for this!
I'm thinking that Orb, may not be a part of the creatures body, but maybe something that collects souls, or something to that nature. I'm looking forward to seeing it unlocked though, that's for sure!
I'm guessing we're going to hit the next major expansion at 700k?
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Post by: plastictrees
I'm going with dung beetle with a corpse ball...
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Post by: RiTides
So cool... this is definitely what I wanted to see.
I do hope he's still planning to double up the armor sets, but whatever- bring on the monsters / additional playable content!
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Post by: Alpharius
It definitely looks insectoid - can't wait for the reveal, and then the armor kits and weapons that you can build from it!
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Post by: Sasori
Alpharius wrote:It definitely looks insectoid - can't wait for the reveal, and then the armor kits and weapons that you can build from it!
I don't think we get new Armor kits with the Minor Expansions.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think this time we might, only because it is so different!
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Post by: greywulf
The update refers to the new creature as a monster, not an expansion as far as I can tell. Monsters have been coming with armour kits and pinups as well. Excited!
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Post by: cincydooley
Well they sorta have to come with armor kits. And it only makes sense for a bug-looking one to have it. Chitin Armor or something would make perfect sense.
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Post by: Sasori
greywulf wrote:The update refers to the new creature as a monster, not an expansion as far as I can tell. Monsters have been coming with armour kits and pinups as well. Excited!
Only the major expansion monsters have come with armor sets so far, which are the Gorm and the Dragon King. The Minor Monster expansions have not. So, unless this is a Major Expansion monster, I don't see it coming with an Armor Kit. Maybe, we'll be lucky though, and this monster gets added to the base game!
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Post by: RiTides
Flower Knight came with a sword, Lion Knight with claws, but not full armor kits. So it should have Something, but probably not full kits. We'll see
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Post by: greywulf
Sasori wrote:
Only the major expansion monsters have come with armor sets so far, which are the Gorm and the Dragon King. The Minor Monster expansions have not. So, unless this is a Major Expansion monster, I don't see it coming with an Armor Kit. Maybe, we'll be lucky though, and this monster gets added to the base game!
True, but the minor expansions were never actually described as 'monsters,' just expansions. I'm pretty sure this will be a big one, especially since Adam actually called it a monster. I'll stand to be corrected but I'm hoping not, since Chitin armour would be cool,or any new armour. I'm also impatient to see a new pinup. 
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Post by: Alpharius
The Lion Knight could also be seen as being able to 'use' the Lion Armor.
There's nothing close to Bug/Chitin armor in the game now - so even if it isn't revealed at $650K, it is too good of an opportunity to pass up in terms of modeling and money.
Quick - to the Adam Wishlist Machine!
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Post by: grefven
A bug/chitin armour and belonging pin-up would be quite awesome. Imagine what Thomas David could do with such a subject!
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Post by: Dentry
greywulf wrote:The update refers to the new creature as a monster, not an expansion as far as I can tell. Monsters have been coming with armour kits and pinups as well. Excited!
I'll second that.
The silhouette reminds me of the Warcraft Crypt Lords. It's not hard to imagine it being used in a Thousand Sons army and, regardless of what it's purposed for, should be fun to paint. Looking forward to this one.
(big image)
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Post by: xole
I hope it doesn't get cold in Kingdom Death. Those poor girls will freeze to death.
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Post by: -Loki-
Lt. Coldfire wrote:Is it this guy, RiTides? On a less creepy note, someone dropped their $130 survivor pledge and I was able to jump on it! Yay for page refreshing at work!
The front of that thing... it's like, I want to see it, but at the same time, I don't want to see it. The creepiest part is the dangling thing off its head, sort of like those glowing lures deep sea fish have.
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Post by: Fafnir
Slightly off topic, but still Kingdom Death:
My Survivor Pinup and Twilight Night just arrived in the mail, and they are absolutely beautiful. I've always loved KD's models, but the Twilight Night is really one of their finest. It's very simple and subdued, but beautiful in every aspect. He looks fantastic next to my Pinup Twilight Knight.
...Now to just get them painted...
Also, I love the new bases, huge improvement over the old ones. The simple fact that they are semi-removable means you can easily adapt the model for a display piece, while still retaining gameplay capability without compromise. And for the record, Poots, if you're reading this, I absolutely love the branding you have on the bottom of them
And it seems like the Forsaker I ordered from CMON likely got lost in the mail, but the quality of the TK helps make it better.
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Post by: RiTides
The Twilight Knight and the Forsaker are the models I crave, too. I will probably wait for his "next" game... sometime in the future! When he has more of a focus on heroes and thus includes them.
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Post by: LordRogalDorn
Dentry wrote:greywulf wrote:The update refers to the new creature as a monster, not an expansion as far as I can tell. Monsters have been coming with armour kits and pinups as well. Excited!
I'll second that.
The silhouette reminds me of the Warcraft Crypt Lords. It's not hard to imagine it being used in a Thousand Sons army and, regardless of what it's purposed for, should be fun to paint. Looking forward to this one.
(big image)
Sorry, this is a little off topic, but...
Is it just me, or does that look a lot like a Tyrant Guard?
Back on topic, I'm really looking forward to what the next stretch goal is, so far I have pledged for all the monsters, and I doubt I will stop now (poor poor wallet.)
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Post by: endtransmission
Over night a new mini stretch goal has been added. The main book will be getting a painting guide adding for the Kingsmen at $625k
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
That paint job is amazing, it really makes me wish I could paint. I'm betting even if the paint guides with the Kingsmen and the Flower Knight are extremely easy to understand, I'll still manage to butcher the paint jobs.
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Post by: cincydooley
So my wife officially gave me the sign off on the Pin Up models last night. She actually likes them!
This came after a discussion about Privateer Press' Epic Eiryss model, who has really big breasts but is really thin everywhere else. She told me it was for the same reason that she didn't really like the Relic Knights models (all boob, no butt).
She really liked the KD Pin Ups because, despite having large breasts, their hips and butt are correctly proportioned to match. I would have never guessed in a million years that she'd like them, but she does!
Woot.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Very nice paintjob indeed. The guide is already up on BOLS, but it will still be a solid addition to the rulebook IMO.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/12/kingdom-death-painting-kingsmen.html
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Post by: Dentry
 cincydooley wrote:She really liked the KD Pin Ups because, despite having large breasts, their hips and butt are correctly proportioned to match. I would have never guessed in a million years that she'd like them, but she does!
Woot.
Are you allowed to use those words in a sentence like that? I'm still not sure that's correct. Can we get an English major to verify this?
It's a well painted model. Of particular interest was the way he did the halberd's blade and the decision to go with a gold(en) gradient instead of the usual gunmetal or silver. Glad to see it included in the book.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Adam is playing around with lists, this one shows all the optional extras you can add as of now
http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/side-options.jpg
Wired has just published a piece on Kingdom Death: Monster
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kingdom-death/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=RelatedLinks&utm_campaign=Interesting&pid=1504
in it they spoiler the new monster coming at $650,000
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Dayum! That's very provocative, and I can only imagine the kind of increase over time Adam will get from that kind of exposure.
By the way, is this the first explicit acknowledgment that there is some entanglement with C'MoN* on the back end?
*"He’s also working with a publisher called “Cool Mini Or Not”, that has also had its fair share of Kickstarter success, to provide fulfillment services."
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Post by: Cyporiean
Hey its Dunbine, awesome.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Almost looks like the Moon from Majora's Mask.
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Post by: Alpharius
So, does the bug-thing shove you into the ball-thing?
Creepy indeed!
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Post by: squall018
It looks very much like it. That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw it, that and how excited I was to see the picture before I was "supposed" to.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
That looks awesome.
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Post by: Fafnir
So true, and so god damn awesome.
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Post by: Breotan
We talked to a lot of 3-D printing companies and found a machine called ‘The Viper‘ that could handle the job.
Anyone know anything about this other than the link Wired provided?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The way KD work I'd bet the intelligence is in the ball,
the dung beatle knight is just going to be a golem doing the balls bidding
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Post by: RiTides
Yep... that's awesome!
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Wired wrote:Kingdom Death Board Game Revives Fantasy D&D Design
By Joseph Flaherty
A key to raising outsized sums on Kickstarter is having a long line of "Stretch Goals" planned out that keep fans checking out the project and recruiting new backers into the fold. In the case of Kingdom Death, this means new adversaries, like this fearsome knight based on a dung beetle.
Kingdom Death: Monster is a cooperative board game that is equal parts Milton-Bradley and Megadeth album art. In it players team up in an RPG-like setting, playing amnesiac characters trying to survive in a nightmarishly baroque setting. This horror-themed game might seem like a strange fit for the holiday season, but it is killing it on Kickstarter, having has raised over $600,000 with three weeks remaining.
Just as fair warning, Kingdom Death pays homage to over-the-top fantasy art of yore and is definitely for mature audiences.
Kingdom Death’s creator, Adam Poots, might seem like Santa’s most demonic elf, but he started his career as a Brooklyn-based creative director. By day he worked on branding campaigns and websites for Groupon clones, but in his off hours he was an avid gamer. One day in 2008, bored while waiting to be summoned during a stint of jury duty, he read a rulebook for a role playing game and started to imagine ways it could be improved.
Ideas for a game of his own didn’t come about immediately — he didn’t yet have a fully fleshed out concept, but had thoughts about characters and settings. He also knew he wanted his game to have awesome miniature figures as game pieces, so he started designing those pieces. He says “The chance of me ever saving up for a house in New York was ludicrous, so I started with $10,000 in savings and decided to put it into little figures.” The only problem was that while he had a vision for the game world, he didn’t have the skills in illustration or sculpting to realize it — so he hired some help.
“Every miniature is developed by a very important three person team,” Poots says. “I create the concept for a character, then I’ll find an artist, or multiple graphic artists, and we’ll get the concept done and ready to be sculpted.”
Finding sculptors was the biggest challenge. The best artists in the industry didn’t want to work with an unknown, but through sheer determination, he recruited a sculptor by suggesting they try a novel process in the field, 3-D printing. “There was a question whether the fine detail sculptors expected could be achieved by 3-D printers at this small scale,” he says. “We talked to a lot of 3-D printing companies and found a machine called ‘The Viper‘ that could handle the job. In this niche community, I’m 99% sure I’m the first to release a digitally printed mini.” Poots says the majority of his designs are still hand sculpted because most of the digital artists have video game jobs that keep them busy, but things are trending toward digital production.
This technical triumph gave Poots a reputation, the flood gates of sculptors opened, and he now has a couple dozen figurines under his banner. In 2010 he went full time, and found a European production house to cast limited runs of his figures in resin. “My production partner is in France and we communicate with them via Google Translate. From what I understand he is a strange master of his craft type and he does everything in this small village,” he explains. As his product line grew, money followed and he says ”I make way more selling little plastic figures than I did designing websites.”
His business grew steadily for two years and won some industry awards along the way. (Yes, there is an Academy Award equivalent for tiny statues). But Poots still wanted to release a full game. His vision for gameplay evolved as his line of figures grew. “I wanted the game itself to be something you play without a dungeon master, I wanted the game system itself to play the dungeon master role,” he says. “I also wanted the game world to be based around something harsh and let players experience themselves through the miniatures.”
He goes on to describe his design process as an evolution of his prior job. “Game design is very similar to designing a website or app, the flow of a site needs to make sense logically and mechanically, so does a game. I always ask, ‘what’s going to be the experience the first time a person opens the box, what about when they come back the next time, or play regularly?’”
Poots took his project to Kickstarter to raise funds for production and to turn his limited edition resin miniatures into mass produceable, injection molded, game pieces. Even though game companies have enjoyed success on Kickstarter he’s still a bit surprised that they’re so well received on the crowdfunding site. “Most of the successful products on Kickstarter are technology or cool gadgets, my products are old as time itself.”
Even after seeing a solid six-figure haul on the horizon, Poots is still proudly independent, avoiding partners and investors. He says “I’m a one man band, though my girlfriend has been super duper supportive and has spent many of her nights packing stuff with me.” He’s also working with a publisher called “Cool Mini Or Not”, that has also had its fair share of Kickstarter success, to provide fulfillment services.
According to Kicktraq, the Kingdom Death project is now averaging $28,000 a day in pledges. Poots says “It’s making a little over a thousand an hour — I’ll go to bed for eight hours and wake up to ten thousand more dollars.” So now a good night’s sleep is yielding as much as his original investment. He’s unsure what the future of the game will be after the campaign ends, but he is leaning against traditional distribution and would prefer to disrupt the market and serve fans directly. Kingdom Death was designed to scare players, but with this massive success, it might be the traditional game companies that should be fearful.
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Post by: plastictrees
For anyone not reading the backer comments, Adam has explained that the Scarab Knight has evolved from crazy bacteria in Phoenix poop, and that the ball is filled with the same time warping Phoenix poop.
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Post by: RiTides
Did you guys see this link with the prices of all the options?
http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/side-options.jpg
Also, apparently you can get the Illuminated Lady in resin! (For $25, I believe that was the normal price before) For those that were really wanting that model (she's on the list).
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Post by: Alpharius
Or:
I didn't know about the Illuminated Lady though - nice!
I'm tempted, but we'll see what else 'needs' to be bought from this KS first!
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Shhhhhhhh!
Keep it on the down-low. Adam doesn't want to attract the prude police.
Edit: should it become well known, from the comments;
@No Mercy117, please do not mention it or I will have to remove it. Thank you!
Oh, just in case I do have to remove it, I will still honor it come the pledge manager which I can host independent of KS. Thanks!
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Post by: Lansirill
Ooooh, I missed her on that list. I love that miniature, boobies or not.
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Post by: Grot 6
If he can pull off half of that stuff, the game will be a good jumping off point for an RPG book, or some sort of expansive fluff book.
Amazing stuff in the list, as well.
My 500 rides!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The wired article seems to have done the business and pulled in quite a few new backers turning what had been a slow day yesterday into a sucess
and we got the painting article ticked off (superb work even if you don't like NMM)
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Post by: DaveC
There's also the small matter of the addition of a certain miniature that you can add $25 for if you so wish that has pushed the pledge total on a bit - I know I added another $25 this morning. I wonder how many people will miss it that really want it as it's not being advertised. I wasn't going to get any of the resins but I've gone for 2 now the other is the Dragon Sacrifice I don't think I will ever use it as gaming piece so I'll get the resin as a painting/display piece.
I think it may be Sunday or Monday now before the Beetle Knight unlocks this will probably be a slow weekend as it should be the busiest retail weekend of the year so there may be less money around for KS pledges over the weekend.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd love for the Architect to make it into this campaign somehow.
Especially the Pinup version!
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
I'm planning on the additional $25 lady, but am going to wait until after Christmas then decide if I want to add to my $300.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Dentry wrote: cincydooley wrote:She really liked the KD Pin Ups because, despite having large breasts, their hips and butt are correctly proportioned to match. I would have never guessed in a million years that she'd like them, but she does!
Woot.
Are you allowed to use those words in a sentence like that? I'm still not sure that's correct. Can we get an English major to verify this?
Yup, that works. I would probably leave out the second comma, but really even grammaticians seem to vacillate on that. The main issue with the sentence is that you can't really tell if "She" has the large breasts, or the Pin Ups, leaving one wonder why she cares that the model's hips and butt match her boobs. That is also the main reason the sentence is awesome, however.
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Amusingly, the (now former) Editor and Chief of Wired just did an Econtalk episode talking about his new start up involving 3D printing etc. Pretty interesting, and cool to see this stuff finally taking off in various directions!
Edited to get the link right 3 tries later.
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Post by: Schmapdi
I think all the hush-hush talk of the Illuminated Lady is getting a little ridiculous.
I don't think the Kickstarter is going to close down what's going to be a million+ campaign (that they're going to get 10% of mind you) because of some mini-nipples.
Yes Tentacle Bento got shut down, but that was a game (however tongue-in-cheek it was) that was centered around the concept of school-girl rape. (Which is why Poots is wise to keep the Wet-Nurse out of it)
But the Illuminated Lady =/= Wet Nurse or Tentacle Bento.
Now make a plastic version of her please. I can't do a resin justice.
*** And did anyone notice the Wired article has a non-sihouletted version of the next stretch goal?
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Post by: insaniak
Schmapdi wrote:*** And did anyone notice the Wired article has a non-sihouletted version of the next stretch goal?
Yes... it was posted last page.
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Post by: squall018
OK, so I've been kind of sitting on the sidelines watching this thing for a couple weeks and have been back and fourth on it. But I just went in with the 300$ pledge so I could get some of the free stuff. This is my first kickstarter so I'm pretty excited to see how this whole thing plays out.
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Post by: Lockark
Sorry haven't been following this thread for abit. Last time I checked we were still building up to gorm. I come back and we've already blowen past it! lol
How does the Herald of death work? Like. If I have pledged $300+ I just get the two expanstions added to my rewards? I don't have to add anything or change my reward level?
O.O
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
 Lockark wrote:Sorry haven't been following this thread for abit. Last time I checked we were still building up to gorm. I come back and we've already blowen past it! lol
How does the Herald of death work? Like. If I have pledged $300+ I just get the two expanstions added to my rewards? I don't have to add anything or change my reward level?
O.O
True.
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Post by: Lockark
Lt. Coldfire wrote: Lockark wrote:Sorry haven't been following this thread for abit. Last time I checked we were still building up to gorm. I come back and we've already blowen past it! lol
How does the Herald of death work? Like. If I have pledged $300+ I just get the two expanstions added to my rewards? I don't have to add anything or change my reward level?
O.O
True.
Oh whao. That's amazing!
God damn I'm going to have a mountain of models to paint after this! lmao.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Schmapdi wrote:I think all the hush-hush talk of the Illuminated Lady is getting a little ridiculous.
I don't think the Kickstarter is going to close down what's going to be a million+ campaign (that they're going to get 10% of mind you) because of some mini-nipples.
Yes Tentacle Bento got shut down, but that was a game (however tongue-in-cheek it was) that was centered around the concept of school-girl rape. (Which is why Poots is wise to keep the Wet-Nurse out of it)
As a fact. Tentacle Bento DID NOT HAVE NUDITY.
People keep saying Tentacle Bento got pwned for its visuals. It did not.
http://insertcredit.com/2012/05/14/tentacle-bento-and-kickstarter-when-no-regulation-is-bad-regulation/
People should own up to what was the problem with Tentacle Bento, and it wasn't tits and ass. Not by a long shot.
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Post by: squall018
Yeah, The Herald of death prizes is what got me to finally jump on board. Just too great of a deal to pass up!
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Post by: Alpharius
Everyone should feel free to discuss Tentacle Bento in a separate thread somewhere else.
That is, not in here.
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Post by: Breotan
It's easy to hit $300 when you get the Kings Men and a supply of those base inserts.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Some art from Adam
The barber surgeon settlement location
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Post by: Fafnir
Because someone needs to teach GW the proper meaning of "needs moar skullz."
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Those are faces, good sir. Faces. We're moving on up.
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Post by: RiTides
Yep, face motifs are not skulls!
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Post by: Rainyday
It's still hard to look at that face-ground and not think of Berserk. (Though that's certainly not a bad thing.)
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Post by: BrookM
Decided to up my pledge to $300, pretty tempting, especially seeing as my shipping fee also counts towards getting to $300!
I guess it's a no-brainer, but the Dragon King and Gorm expansions are a must, with $30 left to spend on minis. What does the Flower Knight expansion bring to the game? Sorry for asking, but I can't readily find it on the main page of the KS, it's a bit of a mess!
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Post by: plastictrees
 BrookM wrote:Decided to up my pledge to $300, pretty tempting, especially seeing as my shipping fee also counts towards getting to $300!
I guess it's a no-brainer, but the Dragon King and Gorm expansions are a must, with $30 left to spend on minis. What does the Flower Knight expansion bring to the game? Sorry for asking, but I can't readily find it on the main page of the KS, it's a bit of a mess!
No armor kits, but I think you get a flower sword for the survivors. He's a "minor monster" in that sense, like the Man Hunter.
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Post by: BrookM
Ah, thanks! I'll just toss that one on the list then along with Aya the Surivor, that makes for a nice $300
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Post by: DaveC
BrookM if your at Survivor level you already get a plastic Aya as part of your pledge level
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Post by: BrookM
Huh, right you are there Ted! Hmm, guess I've got $15 to spend but not sure what on just yet.
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Post by: squall018
Theres plenty to pick from. I still can't decide exactly what I'm gonna use my 300$ on. Guess I have 23 more days to figure that out though.
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Post by: RiTides
The dung beetle (beetle knight?) will probably be $15-$25... might want to use it for that .
I'm saving room in mine unallocated- there's plenty more to come!
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Post by: squall018
RiTides wrote:The dung beetle (beetle knight?) will probably be $15-$25... might want to use it for that .
I'm saving room in mine unallocated- there's plenty more to come!
I hope its that cheap. I'm wondering if it won't be priced around 40$ like gorm, since it looks like you will probably get two models. And the sphere guy looks pretty big.
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Post by: DaveC
$25 to $30 depending on how the giant head is done that's a large enough mini on it's own plus you have to factor in all the cards and extras that come with it so I don't think this will be $15 given it's 2 minis- this is already sculpted so we should get to see the actual mini at the $650k update there won't be a resin version for the KS as Adam plans to release it for sale in February from the Kingdom Death web store - less than $10k to go this might get done late tonight but it's been a slow morning so far.
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Post by: RiTides
I guess I thought as a "minor" expansion it'd be cheaper. Hopefully not $30- that'd be the same as the dragon major expansion.
Unless this one also has armor kits can't wait to find out!
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Post by: greywulf
I still don't know where people are getting the 'minor expansion' from. Could you give me a link? Because the only terminology I've seen Adam using is 'monster' which has always so far meant big, with armour kits and a pinup.
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Post by: RiTides
Alpharius wrote:Or:
I didn't know about the Illuminated Lady though - nice!
I'm tempted, but we'll see what else 'needs' to be bought from this KS first!
His own chart: Major Expansion (comes with armor kits etc) or just Expansion (ie what folks are calling minor).
Hopefully it's a Major, but that's his own language folks are going off of.
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Post by: DaveC
New option added in association with CMON - Hoilday White Speaker Nico Pin Up for $20 - no indication of whether it's plastic or resin yet.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/articles/7558-kingdom-death they also have a small restock of resins.
I'll pass on it for now as it's not really a game piece more a display piece but I'll have a look again at the end if funds allow.
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Post by: Rolt
Ho ho ho .... ho, finally christmas comes to santa.
She looks wonderfull, definitely worth the extra $20 in my books. Out of question I've noticed there've mentioned a post campaign pledge manager in the last few updates, has anyone
got any idea if this is in similar fashion to Cmons one, i.e you can add stuff to it later and pay the extra. It would be a massive boon for this project if it is, because myself like many just can't make up their mind yet on what I want to pledge for.
Any chance you can let us know Poots?
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Post by: Dentry
We also have a small restock of a lot of out of stock items, even a special encore run of Nico, which are not even on Kingdom Death's store:
pinup architect - 18
twilight knight - 25
kings hand - 15
pinup twlight knight - 10
pinup preacher - 2
pinup forsaker - 10
great game hunter - female 5
pinup white speaker - 5
beyond the wall - 25
pinup survivor - 20
white speaker nico - 25
flower knight - 25
Available now at CMON On-line store, get them while supplies last!
My goodness! Encore run of Nico is out of stock again!
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Post by: Rainyday
I was hoping they'd get a restock someday. Every time I've tried to order straight from Kingdom Death it failed.
I only wish CMON got more than 2 preachers in.
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Post by: recruittons
God I wish this had happened just about 2 weeks later. By the time I get some spare cash, I'm guessing they'll be gone lol
Oh well, with any luck, a Twilight Knight or Flower Knight will still be available, and if that happens, Christmas present to me
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Post by: Alpharius
$650K achieved - now the wait for the details on the Bug and the next stretch goal begins!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Rushes over to KS to wait (& speculate)
Adam threw out a comment on wanting to do a $666K stretch so hopefully he's got enough cash/content in hand that it's the next target number
what it's going to be ? no idea
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Post by: Alpharius
Bug Knight Armor Kits?
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
666k would call for a demon monster, but seems like a short span to be releasing another monster.
However, demon monster is my guess!
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Post by: RiTides
I hope so added to bug knight (good name lol).
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Post by: Alpharius
Spidecules finally makes and appearance?
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Post by: recruittons
I'm really hoping so!
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Post by: Dentry
Someone linked a pledge calculator in the comments section of the KS, haven't seen it here so thought I'd mention it.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
My hand is starting to hurt from refreshing the KS page.
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Post by: DaveC
Update #30 is out
Dung beetle knight is a $25 add on
$666,666k Adam will commit to producing a Kingdom Death Satan at some point it is not part of the KS and will not be available as an option nor will it's production be funded from KS funds
Next up $700k - Major expansion - Spidicules
Plus Holiday White speaker Info is officially added for $20 plastic or metal depending on demand the production of this mini is funded from all the $20 people put in for it not from the main KS fund so the more people want it the more likely it is to be in plastic
Sorry this is a long image
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Post by: grefven
So we get a future "Satan/Devil" miniature if (when) the KS reaches 666k and the Spidecules at 700k! Good stuff. Hopefully it can be raeched within the next 7 days, but probably not with the holiday coming up.
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Post by: Dentry
grefven wrote:So we get a future "Satan/Devil" miniature if (when) the KS reaches 666k and the Spidecules at 700k! Good stuff. Hopefully it can be raeched within the next 7 days, but probably not with the holiday coming up.
You just need to believe! Click your slippers together three times and say "There's no place like Kingdom Death."
We just about hit 666,000 and I'm certain $700,000 will happen in the next few days.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Ahh, at last Spidicules decides he shall join us. Unfortunately, as much as I love the Dung Beetle Knight, I'm worried I may have to pass on him until later due to the fact that major expansions are much more expensive after the KS because at the end of the day, major game expansions are more content. Money is limited and as much as I want to buy everything, I really, really shouldn't.
And although we don't get chitin armor (which would have been awesome), the silhouette for the Spidicules armor looks promising!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I want spidicules leg scythes as weapons
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Post by: cincydooley
Holiday Nico looks fantastic.
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Post by: DaveC
$666,666k stretch done - there was a bit of pledge manipulation going on to get the right figure it jumped from $666,662 to $666,687 but went backwards again - but it got there in the end.
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Post by: Alpharius
At the average pace this campaign's going at, we'll hit $700K by Wednesday the the latest!
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Post by: recruittons
Nice! I think that depending on how the Spidicules armors look, that's going to decide for me which to get, his expansion, or the Dung Beetle Knight.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Ugh, now I want to add even more to my pledge... I think I'm going to have to think about a limit for what I want to put into this kickstarter... But I want it ALL! 
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Post by: recruittons
I had to do the same. I went ahead and gave myself a hard limit of Herald of Death. Fortunately, the pinups haven't appealed to me, and I'm pretty picky about expansions. I'm almost to the $300, and I think Spidicules could very well push me over the edge into it.
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Post by: Alpharius
Spidecules will probably be a $40 Major Expansion.
And we've got at least 'The King" as another Major Expansion looming on the horizon.
This is getting expensive...
Good thing it doesn't end until after Christmas!
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Post by: Baragash
I wonder if the missus will let me trim back the wedding expenses..... 
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Post by: Zweischneid
Have there actually been stretch goals added to Survivor? Or is it all Herald of Death now for the "freebies"?
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Post by: Fango
im curious as well, this kickstarter has so many options, its confusing my simple mind...how do all the armors work? do you dress your character like a doll, or convert a new model everytime you upgrade your armor? I pledged for 100 to get the game...do I not get any of the stretch goals?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 Fango wrote:im curious as well, this kickstarter has so many options, its confusing my simple mind...how do all the armors work? do you dress your character like a doll, or convert a new model everytime you upgrade your armor? I pledged for 100 to get the game...do I not get any of the stretch goals?
Armor is not an upgrade to your model, it's a different kit (i.e. complete), and the FAQ said something about there are plenty of options, and it isn't WYSIWYG in game, so it's mostly preference (though there is theoretically the option to magnetize, they're not designed for it).
Stretch goals- you get any that say they're added to the base game, split decently evenly between extras to purchase, survivor bonuses, and game bonuses.
probably not the most current, but here's a guide
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6462/kingdomedeathv5.jpg
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Post by: RiTides
Zweischneid wrote:Have there actually been stretch goals added to Survivor? Or is it all Herald of Death now for the "freebies"?
There were at the start... for a long time it's been "pay to play" except for Herald of Death, though.
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Post by: Alpharius
In which case you're still paying to play!
Looks like he's fou d the way to get the most out of this campaign's audience though, and things are clicking away.
I suspect we'll see a few more + $15's and + $20's along with 2 or 3 more + $40 Major Expansions as well to really drive the total higher.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, seems that way for most!
I've been pondering this and as I have a good friend who is getting it, I think my doing so is unnecessary. Add to that the fact that I try to support small / needful KS, and am trying to reduce game systems, and need to stop paying for things still a year away, even at a discount... if someone would like my black Friday slot, PM me and I'll let you know when it'll be available (edit: spoken for).
Still want this to rock! But I didn't know CMON was involved at the start... their KS always do so well, I'm not needed. I also still really want to see good plastic from them. I have every confidence Adam will do so... but he doesn't need me when this looks to be going way past a million, and I'll redirect that to my current projects, instead.
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Post by: Dentry
Good on ya, RiTides. Even knowing it's a year out doesn't make it easier for me to drop the KS discount.
Also, disappointed that we didn't get any Dung Beetle Knight armor. Seemed a shoe-in for it!
Google says this is what beetle armor could look like (spoiler for size):
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
700 Spidiculese (?)
666 Adam with make a satan mini (not for the KS or using KS funds)
625 Painting Guide for Kingsmen added to rules (for everybody)
585 & 600 Lion Knight (free for Herald, paid otherwise)
500 & 535 Gorm (paid, with free pinup)
475 Manhunter (free for Herald, paid othewise)
2 things for heralds (3 stretch goals)
1 thing for everybody
2 paid extras (1 includes freebie )
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Post by: DaveC
Just posted by Adam worth reposting here:
Creator Kingdom Death just now
Your shipping fee must be included with your pledge. At this time there is no way to split payment. I want to be as flexible as possible and I certainly can understand the desire to break the pledge payment into multiple parts. But by doing so I risk running into a very large management issues. I can't give an official word on the flexibility of the pledge manager and I strongly advise people pledge up front for their desired rewards. There is a large chance there will be no additional payment options or flexibility.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'll post it as well DaveC because it is an IMPORTANT comment (and highlight the main bit in red)
Question: would it be possible to split payment, and pay for shipping later ?
Answer @Lol Craven,
Your shipping fee must be included with your pledge. At this time there is no way to split payment. I want to be as flexible as possible and I certainly can understand the desire to break the pledge payment into multiple parts. But by doing so I risk running into a very large management issues. I can't give an official word on the flexibility of the pledge manager and I strongly advise people pledge up front for their desired rewards. There is a large chance there will be no additional payment options or flexibility.
So people pledge for what you want before the end of the KS, you might not be able to add cash for extras like you're used to..........
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Post by: RiTides
I find it hard to believe there'll be no way to add, if necessary- makes sense to have the right amount down, though.
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Post by: Alpharius
It is a bit of an annoyance, but not one that you'll have to worry about anymore!
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@RiTides,
Just so its clear. CMON has only recently been involved in the campaign and it's only to boost marketing support. We agreed to that news of the campaign would be included in 4 of their emails they send out to their fans every saturday and to doing a special miniature together.
The post on cmon front page news, the facebook and the callout from their current kickstarter Guilds of Cadwallon, were all just... unexpected bonuses! I am extremely thankful as they went above and beyond and have put their name behind me because of our partnership and they are proud of how the well the kickstarter is doing without their direct involvement.
To their credit, I will say that Chern pretty much invented this style of running kickstarter campaigns. Be it luck, or genius or a bit of both they set the trend and I am merely following it, adding my own personal touch and trying my best to stay on top of the CRAZY amount of communication it requires!
I am happy to be working with CMON and there is a chance that when the game is finally released ( after kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled ) we will look into publishing it together. Our relationship has been extremely healthy and very simple, I send them miniatures and they sell them. Nothing more complex then that, no investments and no extra dependencies.
I like the idea of my game being associated with Zombiecide, Sedition Wars & Super Dungeon Explore. They are helping bring the type of games I love into the market. Post GW's Specialist Games we had very very little in terms of quality hybrid tabletop miniature games. And now, I finally have some miniature games I have time to play with my friends on weekends. ( i do love warhammer & 40k, but i just don't have the time to dedicate to them right now )
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Post by: Schmapdi
kingdomdeath wrote:@RiTides,
I like the idea of my game being associated with ... Super Dungeon Explore.
This just gave me the best idea. Cross-over chibi Kingdom Death models for use with Super Dungeon Explore!
Imagine chibi Gorm with big bright anime eyes! Or little nearly-naked pin-up chibi twilight knights and whatnot. It's the best of both worlds!
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@Schmpadi,
Hehe, please if your going to quote me, please use the full sentence. As it changes the meaning otherwise.
"I like the idea of my game being associated with Zombiecide, Sedition Wars & Super Dungeon Explore"
It is not just one of these games that draws me to wanting to work with CMON, but ALL of the. And yes there is a big big difference.
Wow, I feel like such a terd for asking someone to use full quotes. How did this all become so strangely political! ahh! kickstarter!!!!!!!
I apologize for not sounding like a real human sometimes -_-
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Post by: Schmapdi
I knew what you meant - I was just paring down the quote to help draw the inference to the most ridiculous conclusion imaginable.
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Post by: RiTides
Thanks for the post, KD! I'll still follow with interest. I wasn't involved in any of those KS- they just didn't need me and, for better or worse, they're the gorilla of the KS world.
I still have my flower knight print displayed proudly on my desk, where it will remain
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Post Kick-starter--are you planning on running a full store for the monsters? I ask--as while I do not have time for another game in my life--I would certainly like to pick up some of your monsters and paint them.
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@Schmpadi, ah no worries really! I just don't want a passer by to think I am giving anyone one entity in particular favoritism.
@RiTides, also no worries! My flower knight is on my desk too!
@AgeofEgos, they are planned to be available they my webstore yes. When and in what capacity I honestly cannot commit to saying at this time.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
I can understand why there wouldn't be an option to add more stuff after the KS ends. It's a one man show, and with 2600+ backers at the moment, it would be a management nightmare for him to track who added what and how to collect payment. It's one thing when it's a small project and you might only have a dozen or so backers who need something extra, but this is way beyond those small numbers.
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Post by: Sasori
Well, things have surely clicked along since the new stretch goals. Can't wait to unlock Spidcules, and see what other Monsters we have to go!
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Post by: Alpharius
No kidding - what a day!
People dig the dung beetle - $27K and 56 new backers - and the best day in almost two weeks!
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Post by: cincydooley
I think I'm about to up my pledge to Herald level. Just so much nice stuff and I love the game play.
Not terribly excited for the spider (ill never be able to display it as my wife is horrified of them) but incredibly excited for the C'MON Nico.
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@adam-- inevitable question: any talks with BattleFoam to get a nice custom insert? :-)
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@kingdomdeath
Earlier in the campaign you mentioned that you'd look into the EU postage/customs situation. I was just wondering if there was any news on this at all please? A couple of the CMON campaignslseem to be getting distribution through the UK as well as the US, is there any chance of jumping onto their distributor here?
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Post by: MetalOxide
Not sure if I should go with the $155 one or the $295 one... hmmm
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Post by: Dentry
That depends on how important it is to have the resin version of Adam & Anna and the four survivors. If it's not a must, then I'd suggest going $155. You'd also have $145 for extras if you wanted to reach the $300 Herald of Death mark (that gives you two free expansions: Lion Knight and Manhunter).
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@endtransmission,
Unfortunately I still have no official word on this. Currently I am 100% confident I can pack a box full of rewards and ship it to the correct backer, however when you add another link to the chain things instantly become more complicated.
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Post by: Fafnir
Also, one problem that may arise in the future for me: in all likelihood, by time November pops around, I'll probably be living somewhere else. Would it be possible to change my shipping address at some point after the KS is over (as in, up to 8 months down the line)?
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Post by: Alpharius
Some of the models are begging for a foam storage and transport option - Spidecules being the chief among them at this point!
Hopefully someone comes up with something at some point!
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Post by: Grot 6
Good luck with the Kickstarter.
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Post by: Alpharius
Huh?
I mean, it is about to hit $700K with 3 weeks left to go, and should finish north of 1 million dollars...
Are you, or we, missing something here?
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Post by: Grot 6
Alpharius wrote:
Huh?
I mean, it is about to hit $700K with 3 weeks left to go, and should finish north of 1 million dollars...
Are you, or we, missing something here?
Since CMON is shlepping yet another KS, I'm out.
YET, I don't need to be the one to pee in the punchbowl, so to speak, so I leave it at= Good Luck.
I'm out if they are in.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Grot 6 wrote: Alpharius wrote:
Huh?
I mean, it is about to hit $700K with 3 weeks left to go, and should finish north of 1 million dollars...
Are you, or we, missing something here?
Since CMON is shlepping yet another KS, I'm out.
YET, I don't need to be the one to pee in the punchbowl, so to speak, so I leave it at= Good Luck.
I'm out if they are in.
It's not a CMON KS, it's Adams, he posted this on the previous page
"Just so its clear. CMON has only recently been involved in the campaign and it's only to boost marketing support. We agreed to that news of the campaign would be included in 4 of their emails they send out to their fans every saturday and to doing a special miniature together.
The post on cmon front page news, the facebook and the callout from their current kickstarter Guilds of Cadwallon, were all just... unexpected bonuses! I am extremely thankful as they went above and beyond and have put their name behind me because of our partnership and they are proud of how the well the kickstarter is doing without their direct involvement.
To their credit, I will say that Chern pretty much invented this style of running kickstarter campaigns. Be it luck, or genius or a bit of both they set the trend and I am merely following it, adding my own personal touch and trying my best to stay on top of the CRAZY amount of communication it requires!
I am happy to be working with CMON and there is a chance that when the game is finally released ( after kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled ) we will look into publishing it together. Our relationship has been extremely healthy and very simple, I send them miniatures and they sell them. Nothing more complex then that, no investments and no extra dependencies."
so all CMON has done is give it a shout out (and been involved in coming up with the Xmas White Speaker optional figure that you can choose not to get since they are a big seller of KD figures).
They may however be involved in publishing the game AFTER the KS has been fulfilled
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Post by: Grot 6
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Grot 6 wrote: Alpharius wrote:
Huh?
I mean, it is about to hit $700K with 3 weeks left to go, and should finish north of 1 million dollars...
Are you, or we, missing something here?
Since CMON is shlepping yet another KS, I'm out.
YET, I don't need to be the one to pee in the punchbowl, so to speak, so I leave it at= Good Luck.
I'm out if they are in.
It's not a CMON KS, it's Adams, he posted this on the previous page
"Just so its clear. CMON has only recently been involved in the campaign and it's only to boost marketing support. We agreed to that news of the campaign would be included in 4 of their emails they send out to their fans every saturday and to doing a special miniature together.
The post on cmon front page news, the facebook and the callout from their current kickstarter Guilds of Cadwallon, were all just... unexpected bonuses! I am extremely thankful as they went above and beyond and have put their name behind me because of our partnership and they are proud of how the well the kickstarter is doing without their direct involvement.
To their credit, I will say that Chern pretty much invented this style of running kickstarter campaigns. Be it luck, or genius or a bit of both they set the trend and I am merely following it, adding my own personal touch and trying my best to stay on top of the CRAZY amount of communication it requires!
I am happy to be working with CMON and there is a chance that when the game is finally released ( after kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled ) we will look into publishing it together. Our relationship has been extremely healthy and very simple, I send them miniatures and they sell them. Nothing more complex then that, no investments and no extra dependencies."
so all CMON has done is give it a shout out (and been involved in coming up with the Xmas White Speaker optional figure that you can choose not to get since they are a big seller of KD figures).
They may however be involved in publishing the game AFTER the KS has been fulfilled
Thats all fine and dandy, but I will leave them with- 'Good Luck." and let the chips fall where they may.
for the rest, I'm pulling it right there.
edited to stay civil.
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Post by: Fafnir
Wait... what's so bad about CMON?
I haven't really kept up with any of their kickstarters (or kickstarters in general), so I don't really understand what's so bad about CMON and their kickstarters.
I've ordered plenty of miniatures and supplies from CMON, and they've always had solid service.
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Post by: kilcin
@Endtransmission I'm wondering if you are referring to Sedition Wars because the "brains" behind that is Studio McVey which is based in the UK and sending off the European orders while CMoN does the US. So hardly a distributor for CMoN in the UK.
@Fafnir Adam has answered this by saying he would need to verify addresses shortly before he sends out the product. Ref: http://kingdomdeath.tumblr.com/post/37581920549/since-the-estimated-delivery-is-november-2013-im-sure
@Grot6 That's a bit of a weird response since all CMoN is doing is getting some more attention for the kickstarter; they are not planning, controlling or taking over in regards to the actual game. They are just getting the word out in regards to Kingdom Death, which they have done for years. I just feel your beef with CMoN should not hamper your support for KD:M; in the end though it's your money.
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Post by: cincydooley
I dont understand the problem with CMON either. The Kickstarters they've run so far have been pretty great. Their service is very good.
What's the deal?
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Post by: Zweischneid
 kilcin wrote:@Endtransmission I'm wondering if you are referring to Sedition Wars because the "brains" behind that is Studio McVey which is based in the UK and sending off the European orders while CMoN does the US. So hardly a distributor for CMoN in the UK.
Yeah, but they also seem to offer no-import-VAT shipping on Soda Pop / Relic Knights. So it looks like they have someone (might just be McVey returning the favour?)
kilcin wrote:
@Grot6 That's a bit of a weird response since all CMoN is doing is getting some more attention for the kickstarter; they are not planning, controlling or taking over in regards to the actual game. They are just getting the word out in regards to Kingdom Death, which they have done for years. I just feel your beef with CMoN should not hamper your support for KD:M; in the end though it's your money.
Probably just wanted to quit either way. Better to quit with a bit of internet-drama than quit silently. It is hard to believe that this was the only thing that swayed the opinion from "fantastic-must-have-it" to "no-way". It might just be the final straw / opportunity for someone not happy with it for many reasons.
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Post by: Herzlos
Zweischneid wrote: kilcin wrote:@Endtransmission I'm wondering if you are referring to Sedition Wars because the "brains" behind that is Studio McVey which is based in the UK and sending off the European orders while CMoN does the US. So hardly a distributor for CMoN in the UK.
Yeah, but they also seem to offer no-import-VAT shipping on Soda Pop / Relic Knights. So it looks like they have someone (might just be McVey returning the favour?)
If they could offer that for this, then that'd be great; I'm very aware that even at the minimum box level ($176 with a black Friday deal) I'm already over the import thresholds, so I need to budget for that. If it could be sent out from a UK distributor I can spend much more
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Post by: squall018
What little dealings I've had with CMON (which is just zombicide) have been very great. Am I missing something? I'm in this no matter what because I think its gonna be awesome but I'm just curious what the beef with CMON is. To each their own and all, I'm not trying to judge, just curious.
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Post by: RiTides
My issue with CMON is that they are dominating KS and don't need my pledge. Not a huge point, but one that matters to me. Also, seemingly the mold maker is the same too, right? So while CMON isn't running the KS, it is close to theirs, using the same template, mold maker, and possibly producer in the end.
I'm not saying it's a huge problem, just articulating the issue. It ended up keeping me out of the McVey / Sedition Wars KS somewhat, too, although I know that was Much more connected. Hopefully this doesn't earn me folks jumping down my throat
I love KD and wish them tons of success! But at this time, as a Kickstarter, this just isn't for me. I highly expect to pick up some more of their figs in a year or so when they become available, after you lot get yours
But I don't KS just to save money and pay in advance- I do it to help worthy projects happen that otherwise wouldn't. For me, CMON tips this from "kickstart" to "buy". Like I said, hopefully this doesn't result in net rage
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Post by: Alpharius
There's a bit of a backlash against some of the perceived 'bigger' players in the KS game, as well as what does and does not 'deserve' to be there.
There's also some lingering bias against CMON due to past business associations as well.
No big deal, but there it is.
Funny, actually, because I'm not really how 'big' CMON really is, in any sense of the word.
Still, as Zweischneid mentioned, some people want out, and here's a reason, maybe?
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Post by: Wehrkind
Woah, you are pulling out RiTides? Is it raining frogs? Has the lion of midnight risen?!
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Post by: Alpharius
RiTides wrote:My issue with CMON is that they are dominating KS and don't need my pledge. Not a huge point, but one that matters to me. Also, seemingly the mold maker is the same too, right? So while CMON isn't running the KS, it is close to theirs, using the same template, mold maker, and possibly producer in the end.
I'm not saying it's a huge problem, just articulating the issue. It ended up keeping me out of the McVey / Sedition Wars KS somewhat, too, although I know that was Much more connected. Hopefully this doesn't earn me folks jumping down my throat
I love KD and wish them tons of success! But at this time, as a Kickstarter, this just isn't for me. I highly expect to pick up some more of their figs in a year or so when they become available, after you lot get yours
But I don't KS just to save money and pay in advance- I do it to help worthy projects happen that otherwise wouldn't. For me, CMON tips this from "kickstart" to "buy". Like I said, hopefully this doesn't result in net rage
Interesting stance, especially as we don't know how much of a 'cut' CMON takes, and I'd say that the McVeys and the Poots of the world 'need' the pledges, as they are, comparatively speaking, 'smaller' companies.
It will be interesting to see how many people feel the same way.
I'm guessing it will be a minority, and that many will be more concerned with the overall quality and value of what's being offered.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Alpharius wrote:
Interesting stance, especially as we don't know how much of a 'cut' CMON takes, and I'd say that the McVeys and the Poots of the world 'need' the pledges, as they are, comparatively speaking, 'smaller' companies.
Agreed, I'd hate to loose a backer over our connection with Mongoose.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think you're safe there - I just think that, right or wrong, CMON has more negativity associated with it, somehow.
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Post by: kilcin
Interesting indeed since KD is a one man operation but all of a sudden they get a nod from a bigger player makes them into something more.
I ask, how many mold makers are there? If a template (I assume KS template) seems to work, why change it or struggle with making your own?
This is not discount shopping for me, this is supporting Adam Poot's vision and dedication. If this was just for a game I wouldn't be supporting the kickstarter. Adam has been slowly building up his market for the last 3 years to hopefully get his game funded. Now it is happening, but as soon as CMoN is like "Good show, since we've been supporting you by having your minis in our store, would it be cool to get a special mini? We will mention your kickstarter in our newsletter." Adam Poots is "The Man" that doesn't need our support. Just smacks of shallow thinking and knee jerk reaction.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Off the top of my head, and in the US:
-Black Orc Games
-Trollforge
-Iron Wind Metals
-Reaper
-Valiant
Privateer Press, GW, and a few others have their own private/inhouse mold makers/casters as well.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, it's all relative- mine was not a hate filled post I think just my thought process. But the McVeys and Poots (CMON connection) are making millions, while the Ed Fortae's, Tre Manor's, and On The Lamb type companies are in the 10K region.
I don't mind CMON, but I use Kickstarter to launch projects that need it, and that I want to be a part of, hand-in-hand... so it just becomes buy-not-kickstart for me at this point (all factors combined, not just one- but I'd be lying if I didn't say CMON was One of those factors).
Still going to follow/drool over this
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Post by: Wehrkind
 Cyporiean wrote:
Off the top of my head, and in the US:
-Black Orc Games
-Trollforge
-Iron Wind Metals
-Reaper
-Valiant
-Wehrcast
Privateer Press, GW, and a few others have their own private/inhouse mold makers/casters as well.
*ahem*
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Wehrkind wrote: Cyporiean wrote:
Off the top of my head, and in the US:
-Black Orc Games
-Trollforge
-Iron Wind Metals
-Reaper
-Valiant
-Wehrcast
Privateer Press, GW, and a few others have their own private/inhouse mold makers/casters as well.
*ahem*
I'm fairly sure you count as a private/inhouse mold maker/caster
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Post by: RiTides
I wish you and Ed Fortae / Trollforged could team up, Wehr! You're my favorite "boutique" casters atm (and Poots' mystery man from France, who does his resin).
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Post by: Wehrkind
RiTides wrote:Yeah, it's all relative- mine was not a hate filled post I think just my thought process. But the McVeys and Poots (CMON connection) are making millions, while the Ed Fortae's, Tre Manor's, and On The Lamb type companies are in the 10K region.
I don't mind CMON, but I use Kickstarter to launch projects that need it, and that I want to be a part of, hand-in-hand... so it just becomes buy-not-kickstart for me at this point (all factors combined, not just one- but I'd be lying if I didn't say CMON was One of those factors).
I dunno, I wouldn't want to punish Poots for being successful, and likewise not punish CMoN for putting out or backing products that people REALLY want and spend a lot of money on. While I would like other KSs to do better, I don't think the answer is to not back other things you like.
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Post by: squall018
To each his own. Everyone has the right to their opinion. I'm not gonna lie though, this game and the minis look so cool I would still want it even if Bill Gates was in on this somehow. Also, looks like we might hit the spiducles mark here in the next two days or so. Hopefully by Wednesday. Does anyone know anything about the two humans we see in the preview pic of spiducles?
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Post by: Wehrkind
Cyporiean wrote:
I'm fairly sure you count as a private/inhouse mold maker/caster
*L* Not even in-house, rather the subset "in-basement."
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
I wish their was a "All deh babes" option. Since, I'll admit, I'm in this for the plastic TnA
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Post by: RiTides
 squall018 wrote:To each his own. Everyone has the right to their opinion. I'm not gonna lie though, this game and the minis look so cool I would still want it even if Bill Gates was in on this somehow. Also, looks like we might hit the spiducles mark here in the next two days or so. Hopefully by Wednesday. Does anyone know anything about the two humans we see in the preview pic of spiducles?
Yes, to each his own! As Alph says, the beauty of crowd funding.
I think those are spider armor sets in the pic . Can't wait to see them!!!
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Wehrkind wrote: RiTides wrote:Yeah, it's all relative- mine was not a hate filled post I think just my thought process. But the McVeys and Poots (CMON connection) are making millions, while the Ed Fortae's, Tre Manor's, and On The Lamb type companies are in the 10K region.
I don't mind CMON, but I use Kickstarter to launch projects that need it, and that I want to be a part of, hand-in-hand... so it just becomes buy-not-kickstart for me at this point (all factors combined, not just one- but I'd be lying if I didn't say CMON was One of those factors).
I dunno, I wouldn't want to punish Poots for being successful, and likewise not punish CMoN for putting out or backing products that people REALLY want and spend a lot of money on. While I would like other KSs to do better, I don't think the answer is to not back other things you like.
Ah, but there's the rub! I have a finite number of dollars- say X dollars. If I put $300 here, I have less elsewhere. So it is, in some ways, a choice. For example, I could only back Dreamforge OR Sedition Wars, not both.
To each his own, the beauty of crowd-funding!!!
Going to bow out now, let's get back to talking about Spidecules!!!
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Post by: grefven
Regarding the mold and casting, didn't Adam write in a comment somewhere that he is using some guy over in France?
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Post by: RiTides
Yes- but for the resin only. He mentioned using the Super Dungeon Explore caster for the plastic (well before this current kerfuffle ).
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Post by: squall018
@ RiTides
I guess that would make sense seeing as how the other major monsters had armor sets with them. Should have figured that out. Oh well. I'm really curious to see how the Spiducles model will turn out. That initial picture has me a little worried as it looks a little spindly, but I'm hopeing it gets a little more solid in the final build.
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Post by: Grot 6
Zweischneid wrote: kilcin wrote:@Endtransmission I'm wondering if you are referring to Sedition Wars because the "brains" behind that is Studio McVey which is based in the UK and sending off the European orders while CMoN does the US. So hardly a distributor for CMoN in the UK.
Yeah, but they also seem to offer no-import-VAT shipping on Soda Pop / Relic Knights. So it looks like they have someone (might just be McVey returning the favour?)
kilcin wrote:
@Grot6 That's a bit of a weird response since all CMoN is doing is getting some more attention for the kickstarter; they are not planning, controlling or taking over in regards to the actual game. They are just getting the word out in regards to Kingdom Death, which they have done for years. I just feel your beef with CMoN should not hamper your support for KD:M; in the end though it's your money.
Probably just wanted to quit either way. Better to quit with a bit of internet-drama than quit silently. It is hard to believe that this was the only thing that swayed the opinion from "fantastic-must-have-it" to "no-way". It might just be the final straw / opportunity for someone not happy with it for many reasons.
Internet drama. Yeah, thats me alright.
The next time you spout off like this, I think I might try something new and report you for being insulting.
R Tides hit it dead on the head and with more civility and honestly more tactly then I honestly care to muster for Cool Mini or Not. My issues have more to do with them using kickstarter as thier own private playground, while at the same time reaping the rewards for nothing other then throwing thier name behind something.
As to MY issue with the project? I left it at Good Luck, and tried to keep a steady discussion steady. HOW exactly that is "Internet Drama", is something you are going to have to educate me on.
They want to have CMON come in on the sideline and put out figures, yet we are supposed to fund it? How exactly does it not now become just another extra way to get cash out of my pocket?
Instead of gaining my goodwill, you gain my contempt when you treat me like a shill.
Oh, and By and By-
Cyp, had Mongoose NOT handled thier KS as they did, YOU would not have had a customer. ( In fact, I honestly think you wouldn't have a few.) I am an example of one of them.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Grot 6 wrote:
Oh, and By and By-
Cyp, had Mongoose NOT handled thier KS as they did, YOU would not have had a customer. ( In fact, I honestly think you wouldn't have a few.) I am an example of one of them.
Whats your logic behind that?
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
squall018 wrote:
@ RiTides
I guess that would make sense seeing as how the other major monsters had armor sets with them. Should have figured that out. Oh well. I'm really curious to see how the Spiducles model will turn out. That initial picture has me a little worried as it looks a little spindly, but I'm hopeing it gets a little more solid in the final build.
Adam did mention somwhere that the legs were being resculpted because they were "impossibly thin".
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
squall018 wrote:
@ RiTides
I guess that would make sense seeing as how the other major monsters had armor sets with them. Should have figured that out. Oh well. I'm really curious to see how the Spiducles model will turn out. That initial picture has me a little worried as it looks a little spindly, but I'm hopeing it gets a little more solid in the final build.
Adam has sent the prototype seen earlier back to the sculptor to bulk up the legs as he realised they were too thin/fragile
so hopefully we'll be all right
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, I think the final Spidecules is going to look awesome
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Post by: squall018
Gotcha, I missed that part. Thats good, as I want to be able to get all the expansions but that initial model I would have had to pass on. Hopefully we will hit the stretch goal soon and maybe be able to see some updated pics. Not to mention what will probably be the spider armor. Last time I looked we were about 13k away I believe.
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Post by: Grot 6
Cyporiean wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
Oh, and By and By-
Cyp, had Mongoose NOT handled thier KS as they did, YOU would not have had a customer. ( In fact, I honestly think you wouldn't have a few.) I am an example of one of them.
Whats your logic behind that?
From an honest standpoint of how I felt about them in past performance, to the stand up way in which they seem to have turned thier past slump around and actually have improved, in both product and service.
From the past Starship Trooper debacle, to how they are now is Night and Day.
You were not associated with them at that time, or it would have honestly rubbed off on your products as well.
From what I see now? They have honestly grown up.
Had I not had the discussion, better treatment, and interaction I had on this site with them, I would not have EVER given Mongoose a second thought. had I still had that feeling, On the Lamb would have had the same connotation, by relation of the association.
There is such a thing as changing ones opinion.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Grot 6 wrote: Cyporiean wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
Oh, and By and By-
Cyp, had Mongoose NOT handled thier KS as they did, YOU would not have had a customer. ( In fact, I honestly think you wouldn't have a few.) I am an example of one of them.
Whats your logic behind that?
From an honest standpoint of how I felt about them in past performance, to the stand up way in which they seem to have turned thier past slump around and actually have improved, in both product and service.
From the past Starship Trooper debacle, to how they are now is Night and Day.
You were not associated with them at that time, or it would have honestly rubbed off on your products as well.
From what I see now? They have honestly grown up.
Had I not had the discussion, better treatment, and interaction I had on this site with them, I would not have EVER given Mongoose a second thought. had I still had that feeling, On the Lamb would have had the same connotation, by relation of the association.
There is such a thing as changing ones opinion.
Fair enough. It just seems silly to judge one company/person based off a small connection.
CMON is connected to KD by way of advertising.
Mongoose is connected to OTLG because they publish an RPG written by us.
Technically we're also connected to Gangfight Games, Mantic, Games Workshop, and Wreck-Age because we share sculptors/artists.
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Post by: RiTides
Cyp, they're also connected by manufacturing source (for plastic) and possibly publishing. Are they not also involved in fulfillment (ie packing/shipping the KS rewards)? I thought the Wired article said so.
Just talking facts here, sans drama.
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Post by: Cyporiean
RiTides wrote:Cyp, they're also connected by manufacturing source (for plastic) and possibly publishing. Are they not also involved in fulfillment (ie packing/shipping the KS rewards)? I thought the Wired article said so.
Just talking facts here, sans drama.
They are sharing a caster from what I understand, but that doesn't mean anything. I believe Poots has said he is packing everything himself, which is why there won't be add ons after the bell rings.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
RiTides wrote:Cyp, they're also connected by manufacturing source (for plastic) and possibly publishing. Are they not also involved in fulfillment (ie packing/shipping the KS rewards)? I thought the Wired article said so.
Just talking facts here, sans drama.
In the interest of being factual, what you are saying doesn't seem to jibe completely with what Adam himself presented earlier in the thread.
kingdomdeath wrote:@RiTides,
Just so its clear. CMON has only recently been involved in the campaign and it's only to boost marketing support. We agreed to that news of the campaign would be included in 4 of their emails they send out to their fans every saturday and to doing a special miniature together.
The post on cmon front page news, the facebook and the callout from their current kickstarter Guilds of Cadwallon, were all just... unexpected bonuses! I am extremely thankful as they went above and beyond and have put their name behind me because of our partnership and they are proud of how the well the kickstarter is doing without their direct involvement.
To their credit, I will say that Chern pretty much invented this style of running kickstarter campaigns. Be it luck, or genius or a bit of both they set the trend and I am merely following it, adding my own personal touch and trying my best to stay on top of the CRAZY amount of communication it requires!
I am happy to be working with CMON and there is a chance that when the game is finally released ( after kickstarter rewards have been fulfilled ) we will look into publishing it together. Our relationship has been extremely healthy and very simple, I send them miniatures and they sell them. Nothing more complex then that, no investments and no extra dependencies.
I like the idea of my game being associated with Zombiecide, Sedition Wars & Super Dungeon Explore. They are helping bring the type of games I love into the market. Post GW's Specialist Games we had very very little in terms of quality hybrid tabletop miniature games. And now, I finally have some miniature games I have time to play with my friends on weekends. ( i do love warhammer & 40k, but i just don't have the time to dedicate to them right now )
The connection (as Adam describes it) appears rather tangential.
From what is being said, any co-publishing would not be connected to this campaign or its fulfillment.
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Buzzsaw, I was referring to this line from the Wired article... definitely want to be factual. Not trying to stir anything up, perhaps Adam can clarify?
Wired wrote:Even after seeing a solid six-figure haul on the horizon, Poots is still proudly independent, avoiding partners and investors. He says “I’m a one man band, though my girlfriend has been super duper supportive and has spent many of her nights packing stuff with me.” He’s also working with a publisher called “Cool Mini Or Not”, that has also had its fair share of Kickstarter success, to provide fulfillment services.
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kingdom-death/
"Fulfillment services", in the Sedition Wars sense, meant that CMON was the one delivering the KS rewards. Adam mentions him and his girlfriend packing things up in the past, but I thought the next line saying CMON "to provide fulfillment services" meant just that... that CMON would fulfill the KS orders.
I'd be happy to be wrong... again, not trying to stir anything up, just the impression I got from the article.
It's also not necessarily a huge deal if that is the case, again just trying to determine the facts here...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think the Wired Journalist took Adams comments about having to check on stuff with a 'production partner'
and his comment on hoping to have CMON handle the game publishing after the KS
and added them together to suggest more CMON involvement than there is (not that I'd be bothered either way, but some clearly are)
just a (perhaps understandable) journalistic overinterpreation of the facts
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Post by: squall018
Thats how I took it as well, that CMON would be the one sending out the rewards and packaging it and what not. I really didn't think much of it.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
RiTides wrote:Buzzsaw, I was referring to this line from the Wired article... definitely want to be factual. Not trying to stir anything up, perhaps Adam can clarify?
Wired wrote:Even after seeing a solid six-figure haul on the horizon, Poots is still proudly independent, avoiding partners and investors. He says “I’m a one man band, though my girlfriend has been super duper supportive and has spent many of her nights packing stuff with me.” He’s also working with a publisher called “Cool Mini Or Not”, that has also had its fair share of Kickstarter success, to provide fulfillment services.
http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/kingdom-death/
"Fulfillment services", in the Sedition Wars sense, meant that CMON was the one delivering the KS rewards. Adam mentions him and his girlfriend packing things up in the past, but I thought the next line saying CMON "to provide fulfillment services" meant just that... that CMON would fulfill the KS orders.
I'd be happy to be wrong... again, not trying to stir anything up, just the impression I got from the article.
With due respect, you are relying on a technical interpretation of a 3rd hand statement (you'll note that the mention of "fulfillment services" is not a direct quote, but rather a representation of the reporter's impression) against a clear and direct firsthand statement.
So when you say "I'd be happy to be wrong", Adam has specifically addressed the extent of C' MoN's involvement (addressed specifically to you!), as "only recently been involved in the campaign and it's only to boost marketing support", with a possibility of collaboration at the retail level (not the kickstarter level).
You are, of course, permitted to do with your money as you will, I'm merely perplexed as to what you would like to see beyond what Adam has said.
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Post by: RiTides
Buzzsaw, I think the line you underlined refers to the campaign itself, then publishing. It doesn't say they won't fulfill the KS rewards, just that they might publish together. I just took it like squall018 did, and I don't think Adam addressed this clearly... or maybe I'm just misunderstanding him.
This had nothing to do with me or my money, not sure why you mention that (I've mentioned I love KD many times, even if I'm not backing this).
I'm just discussing who is fulfilling the KS rewards... to me it's a separate discussion and I think pretty relevant. Your quotes of Adam say nothing on fulfillment either way, so hopefully he'll clarify. I think thousands of boxes with different contents might be too much for Adam and his girlfriend to pack, since I believe he's stated he has shipped 500 boxes the whole time he had operated KD. So that interpretation makes sense to me. You're free to disagree, of course...
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm also not sure why it is a big deal either way, or if one or two people have stated that they're backing out now that the CMON 'connection' has been... revealed?
The campaign is still doing very well, and there doesn't appear to be a mass exodus from it either.
So... it might be time to open up a separate discussion in Dakka Discussions about CMON and Kickstarter, maybe?
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Post by: RiTides
Agreed Alph. I just wanted to post to see if CMON is doing fulfillment, or not, as that's relevant here. No knowing until Adam posts.
Time to go back to talking about Spidecules and spider armor
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Alpharius wrote:I'm also not sure why it is a big deal either way, or if one or two people have stated that they're backing out now that the CMON 'connection' has been... revealed?
The campaign is still doing very well, and there doesn't appear to be a mass exodus from it either.
So... it might be time to open up a separate discussion in Dakka Discussions about CMON and Kickstarter, maybe?
That may be best, as I must confess to being rather confused as to what it is people actually want. RiTides mentions that "I'd be happy to be wrong..." but about what I have no idea. The connections between KD and C' MoN seem entierly minor, so minor that I am unclear why one would be bothered by them now, but presumably not by the fact that C' MoN has a long-standing commercial relationship with Adam.
Insofar as he has had long-term partners, C' MoN has always been one.
RiTides wrote:Agreed Alph. I just wanted to post to see if CMON is doing fulfillment, or not, as that's relevant here. No knowing until Adam posts.
Forgive me for belaboring the point, beyond the issue of whether this was sufficiently addressed, I'm still unclear why this matters? I don't mean that facetiously, my interactions with C' MoN have been quick and professional, is this a "Rob Lane" sort of situation where they are responsible for some prior malfeasance that makes them the subject of suspicion?
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Post by: RiTides
Well, I think you're reading into my posts what isn't there!
I was referring to what we were discussing- that I'd be happy to be wrong about CMON fulfilling this KS, per the Wired article. I'm not sure where your language is coming from... it's simply that that would not be minor involvement, obviously.
I'll only be posting about models from here on in, as continuing to speculate is fruitless until Afam clarifies who is fulfilling the KS.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
RiTides wrote:Well, I think you're reading into my posts what isn't there!
I was referring to what we were discussing- that I'd be happy to be wrong about CMON fulfilling this KS, per the Wired article. I'm not sure where your language is coming from... it's simply that that would not be minor involvement, obviously.
I'll only be posting about models from here on in, as continuing to speculate is fruitless until Afam clarifies who is fulfilling the KS.
Again, sorry to keep bringing this up, but why would this be important? I'm honestly unclear what problem is feared would result from any degree of secondary involvement.
Seriously, did C' MoN do something that isn't common knowledge that I ought to know about here? I'm kinda spending a lot of money on his thing, I don't want to find out I'm getting "Mealstromed"*, as it were.
EDIT: * As in Maelstrom Games, that is.
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Post by: RiTides
It's only important as it would be for any KS... It's interesting! It's a fact! It's data! There's no conspiracy here .
It would mean they're fulfilling a lot of KS, with another of theirs coming up. It's the same reason I was interested in finding out Trollforged is casting RBG, Chibi miniatures KS, Imbrian Arts, and their own KS. And maybe even weapons for Kingdom Death! It's just good to know what is queued up for who to do, that's it
So... Spidecules is getting unlocked today, right?
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Post by: kilcin
RiTides wrote:It's only important as it would be for any KS... It's interesting! It's a fact! It's data! There's no conspiracy here .
It would mean they're fulfilling a lot of KS, with another of theirs coming up. It's the same reason I was interested in finding out Trollforged is casting RBG, Chibi miniatures KS, Imbrian Arts, and their own KS. And maybe even weapons for Kingdom Death! It's just good to know what is queued up for who to do, that's it
So... Spidecules is getting unlocked today, right?
Interesting tidbits of info indeed...
I don't think Spidecules will get unlocked today, most likely tomorrow. Now the question is, what will be the next stretch goal?
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Post by: grefven
The next stretch goal... Mmm.. Let's hope for the Sunstalker Infant.
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Post by: squall018
What is the sunstalker infant??? It seems I'm a little behind.
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Post by: RiTides
He has a resin one on his site . I'd link but I'm on my phone.
Unless you truly mean what IS it... in which case I have no idea . What are any of his monsters, really?
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
This does bring up what I think is a pretty MAJOR issue that needs to be clarified. Who exactly IS going to publish this game? Who is printing up all these cards and instruction manuals and the game board, who is casting the miniatures, and who is packing it all together and shipping it to fulfill all the orders?
Presumably this must be known, since you'd have to talk to these people to know how much things are going to cost to produce, which you'd need to know in order to sell the things. So Adam should probably just make it clear to everyone what companies are doing all these things. If he really doesn't know, then it really calls into question his ability to deliver on what he is promising, which is a pretty big deal. If he knows but isn't telling us, that might call into question the quality of the result. Dreamforge was pretty upfront about working with Wargames Factory which, though having some badly sculpted early figures, does clearly have a lot of experience creating plastic multi-part miniatures. Are the companies Adam plans to work with capable of producing a quality board game and miniatures? We have no idea. So it seems like knowing his intended partners in this project is pretty important.
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