Definitely in for a box of these fine chaps. And happy to see the rider sprue is indicative of Outriders to come.

Scimitar b does not outriderish sound.

If outriders come quite likely different riders

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely in for a box of these fine chaps. And happy to see the rider sprue is indicative of Outriders to come.

Not so sure myself ; the FW Outriders still wear their dorsal power plant/backpack, whereas the Scimitar riders do not.

The new plastic riders have a specific rear torso + cabling to link them to their mount.

Nothing including alternative backs on the hypothetical Bike Sprue can’t address.

That would also need new cut of sprue to read outrider b

Hmmm....have the pre-orders gone live yet? I can't find the jetbikes anywhere. Including the gw site. C'mon, give me my jetbikes already.......

They go live at 1pm EST in most cases. So, 5 minutes from now.

Cool. Thanks for that Rhigu.

Now: *finger on the trigger*

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm....have the pre-orders gone live yet? I can't find the jetbikes anywhere. Including the gw site. C'mon, give me my jetbikes already.......

They go up at 12:56

“Temporarily out of stock online”…

Sold out on the main site as well. It's like the Deimos Rihno all over again. No matter, I can wait until the bitz sellers get their anyways (just want the riders and their wargear)

tneva82 wrote:
That would also need new cut of sprue to read outrider b

Not at all

The Spartan kit has a sprue labelled Land Raider.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm....have the pre-orders gone live yet? I can't find the jetbikes anywhere. Including the gw site. C'mon, give me my jetbikes already.......

They go up at 12:56

Right you are Kan, but only for gw proper, it seems. Took a bit longer for the discounters. But I managed to snag two boxes, and saved $20 by not jumping the gun and going with gw directly. Patience pays off.

Those three Riders on one sprue is a poor decision. Instead of one Rider per sprue with many weapon options we get three 100% identical Riders with only Volkite Pistols and one Chainsword as options.

On the Contemptors: I’m now convinced we’ll either see made-to-order versions of the full contemptors or made-to-order leg and shoulder armor. Either way, it’s stupid to get rid of the full bodies for a downgrade (in terms of total alternative cosmetics) which in turn will most likely cost you more based on my prior math.

On the bikes: We still don’t have pistol, melee and combi-weapon plastic kits so odds are the riders don’t have much in anticipation of those.

the way the frames seem to lack options really suggests there is going to be an upgrade kit thats semi universal for weapons at some point

heck if they can do them for Necromunda

There is a hand flamer on the rider sprue, which completes the "pistol options". As for melee options for the sergeant? Get to kitbashing folks.

That allocation limit on the new Jetbikes is rough (First World Problems, I know!) - hard to imagine how GW whiffed on this one due to the expected popularity and anticipated demand, especially as this is one of the first not-tank/not-dread releases!

TreeStewges wrote:
On the Contemptors: I’m now convinced we’ll either see made-to-order versions of the full contemptors or made-to-order leg and shoulder armor. Either way, it’s stupid to get rid of the full bodies for a downgrade (in terms of total alternative cosmetics) which in turn will most likely cost you more based on my prior math.

I don't think that they will.

The point of GW turning the legion-specific Contemptors into upgrade torsos, presumably, is that you have to buy the complete plastic kit to use it. Plastic kits have a higher return on investment.

I just can't see them doing MTO for the old resin kits once the upgrade torsos are out, and I don't think they will bother with MTO for just the legs and/or shoulder armour

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/16/heresy-thursday-get-the-heads-up-on-an-inhuman-assassin-and-new-astartes-faces/

Very nice!

it's ok?


The heads are also nice.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Very nice!

Imho it would look much better if you flipped black&red on the main body.

I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

Which is fine since it’s a generic head. Unlike the mk6 white scar head, that’s also not scarred…

I guess FW but sellers will have to hook me up so I dont buy expensive heads I’ll never use

The heads are great. Unfortunately I already have so many other good heads that I don't have enough models for...

The heads are really good - much better than most of the plastic bare heads - but my Heresy dudes are all wearing their helmets.

The assassin thing just doesn’t work for me.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

Which is fine since it’s a generic head. Unlike the mk6 white scar head, that’s also not scarred…

I guess FW but sellers will have to hook me up so I dont buy expensive heads I’ll never use

Why guess when article flat out says?

While the marine heads are nice, that demon thing mishmash isn't. It's not tshirt cannon primaris bad but definitely a downgrade from the HH demons and especially the excellent Gal Vorbak.

That heretek assassin, not killing it

Character head packs are dope tho, and will probably sell well. I hope they do a Chapter agnostic beaky head kit next, with various bionics etc. The old plastic beaky variant heads are to large for the 2022 MKVI kit

Rumour engine for the right hand.

Sooo, not only HH writers didn't read lore and introduced storm shields, thunder hammers, and storm bolters centuries before they were actually invented, now we have totally not-mutilator that is somehow better than real ones despite millennia of work CSM put into them?

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

It's almost as if you were supposed to paint them on (or gouge them with knife if you really need dumb looking, unrealistic scars as scarred skin would be pretty much perfectly smooth at mini scale) wherever you want them instead of following sculptor's whims, eh?

tneva82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

Which is fine since it’s a generic head. Unlike the mk6 white scar head, that’s also not scarred…

I guess FW but sellers will have to hook me up so I dont buy expensive heads I’ll never use

Why guess when article flat out says?

*FW bit sellers
Foiled by autocorrect

 Irbis wrote:
Sooo, not only HH writers didn't read lore and introduced storm shields, thunder hammers, and storm bolters centuries before they were actually invented, now we have totally not-mutilator that is somehow better than real ones despite millennia of work CSM put into them?

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

It's almost as if you were supposed to paint them on (or gouge them with knife if you really need dumb looking, unrealistic scars as scarred skin would be pretty much perfectly smooth at mini scale) wherever you want them instead of following sculptor's whims, eh?

Indeed, I'd reckon a wisp of liquid putty would be enough to denote a more serious "scar", combined with appropriate paintjob that is.

*Wow, the paintjobs are SO BAD.
*What the actual feth are they doing, honestly. Anything besides marines just screams for faqs, some of the armies are still missing their rules, new players want their plastic troops, yet they say 'feth you, heads, random assassins and repacked "less for more money" dreads are more important to us"

 Irbis wrote:
Sooo, not only HH writers didn't read lore and introduced storm shields, thunder hammers, and storm bolters

Actually there were units already that had access to these things in HH1. For example, Salamanders had a Terminator variant that was TH/SS, and Imperial Fists had Storm Shields for a couple of units. Storm Bolters are really just Combi-Bolters too.

Soooooooo nobody cares about your complaining for the sake of complaining LOL

I like both bare heads and daemonic assassin.

 CragHack wrote:
*Wow, the paintjobs are SO BAD.
*What the actual feth are they doing, honestly. Anything besides marines just screams for faqs, some of the armies are still missing their rules, new players want their plastic troops, yet they say 'feth you, heads, random assassins and repacked "less for more money" dreads are more important to us"

Tell me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases without telling me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases.

 Gert wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
*Wow, the paintjobs are SO BAD.
*What the actual feth are they doing, honestly. Anything besides marines just screams for faqs, some of the armies are still missing their rules, new players want their plastic troops, yet they say 'feth you, heads, random assassins and repacked "less for more money" dreads are more important to us"

Tell me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases without telling me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases.

But, but, resin releases will jam up production and release of plastic kits!!!1!

Like the Assasin, but I'd personally paint it differently (I like Tsagualsa's idea). Now, where exactly will we get the rules for it?

Bare heads? Not for my guys, except maybe as trophies hanging from their armour/vehicles......

 Gert wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
*Wow, the paintjobs are SO BAD.
*What the actual feth are they doing, honestly. Anything besides marines just screams for faqs, some of the armies are still missing their rules, new players want their plastic troops, yet they say 'feth you, heads, random assassins and repacked "less for more money" dreads are more important to us"

Tell me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases without telling me you don't understand the concept of spacing out major releases.

I mean, to some extent I follow you but could we at least get militia/daemon rules? We have a handful of models, a legion HQ, and a RG RoW (please tell me if I missed one) which all rely on the Milita and Daemon PDFs to function, not to mention the armies in question themselves. They're PDFs, surely they can find time to slip one of those out instead of an Exemplary Battle.

It's funny isn't it, when you imagine something from reading the book, but then someone else has read the same and come up with a different vision! Its OK, perhaps a few unnecessary embellishments, and a bit of a lost opportunity to make something truly frightening?

Just when you thought there weren't any more head releases... BOOM!

More heads.

It’s been a few days but Undead_Love_Machine, I understand where you’re coming from but the logic doesn’t fully play out.

They do made-to-order runs on torsos for MK 3 and 4 armors even though those don’t work with the newest MK 6. They also, apparently, do that for terminator shoulder pads.

Further, they have no trouble doing made-to-order runs on very ancient metal minis. For 40K yes, but that’s due to perceived demand no matter what.

They also know there’s a lot of annoyed people who missed out on the special shoulder, leg and cod piece decorations.

To fulfill that demand, they can A) do the easiest thing which is made-to-order runs of the old legion dreads. Or B), made-to-order runs of these missing pieces redesigned to fit the plastic kit. Or C) introduce these extra upgrade bits later but permanently.

I mean, they used to also sell doors for 40K Rhinos. Heck each legion had one or two decorative front armor pieces for rhinos as well.

Since they’ve done shoulder pads and heads. These sorts of things are up next.

WarCom wrote:

Someone had clearly been playing Prototype before they wrote up those weapon profiles.


Depending on what this guys stat line looks like (and I'm guessing probably I5 and A3 or 4 base), Hammerblade is gonna be very good at removing dreads and terminators.

Hammerblade is going to be the option of choise against almost everything. Especially spineplash when is that worth it? Rakes at least might be used once in a while if you get surrounded by 5+ save guys

If it's a blade how is it a hammer?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it's a blade how is it a hammer?

apparently, this is a 'hammer blade'

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it's a blade how is it a hammer?

Invented by the same guy who made the chain fist plausible

Just received an email from FW:

Last Chance To Buy
This is your last chance to bolster your Warhammer: The Horus Heresy army with hulking resin Contemptor Dreadnoughts themed for each Legion. Check them out and get them while you can!

beast_gts wrote:
Just received an email from FW:

And all of them are already 'temporarily' out of stock

Removed - no slurs allowed.

I used to get them perfect for like £20 each, I have loads stashed away somewhere. Seemed to lose value after they released the plastic version but I suppose this announcement changes that slightly.

In no surprise to anyone, all Legion contemptors have gone Last Chance to Buy...

MoD_Legion wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Just received an email from FW:

And all of them are already 'temporarily' out of stock

Gee, it's almost like there has been a significant lead time from an announcement of them being phased out and then being put into Last Chance to Buy.

Well there goes my wish for a Death Guard Leviathan, I reckon.

 Irbis wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’d love that pony tail head (and the one beside it) for white scars, but he’s missing the scarred face that white scars are supposed to have.

It's almost as if you were supposed to paint them on (or gouge them with knife if you really need dumb looking, unrealistic scars as scarred skin would be pretty much perfectly smooth at mini scale) wherever you want them instead of following sculptor's whims, eh?

I do believe you vastly overestimate my painting and knifing skills. Though I suppose greenstuff is a viable option

Sicaran Venator has just disappeared. Read into that as you will…

MOAR TANKSES! TANKSES for my bunghole!

I love tanks, but this is getting a little tiresome.

Cults n Daemons when??? It's like the lowest hanging fruit, almost touching the ground where only a monomolecular filament could fit between.

Seemingly soon, as the first model has been previewed.

We don’t tend to get that level of preview much more than 3 months beforehand.

tneva82 wrote:
Hammerblade is going to be the option of choise against almost everything. Especially spineplash when is that worth it? Rakes at least might be used once in a while if you get surrounded by 5+ save guys

I don't play 30k but I'm curious if someone wants to do the math on the three options.

The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seemingly soon, as the first model has been previewed.

We don’t tend to get that level of preview much more than 3 months beforehand.

What Model? There's Ka'banda but he's almost a year and some change old now. The new Assassin mini is just that, an assassin, not a member of either list, unless they're being plugged into the traitor-only part of Miltia.

No present rules for the Assassin. So we can assume forthcoming book is forthcoming. And I can see that book including Cults.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No present rules for the Assassin. So we can assume forthcoming book is forthcoming. And I can see that book including Cults.

Yeah, those rules + artwork look like they came from a book, not a PDF. Agents of the Warmaster, maybe?

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

Probably more like 3-4, as that's what the Loyalist Scum Assasins have. It could give him an edge against Mechanicum and SA, as it's AP4, and 4+ saves abound in both. Not great against Marines, Custodes, or the Elites/HQs of Mechanicum, or the HQs of SA. Unless there's further rules that can make it more useful.

 JNAProductions wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

I’d say this Assassin’s greatest trick is his ubiquity. From what we’ve seen ranged options seem limited (grenades of some kind, possibly gun fist from the pose) to non-existent (could just be pretty details or so short ranged you’re better off just getting in and wrecking face). But unlike the Callidus and Eversor? He can be a decent threat to pretty much anything. Sure other stuff might have more attacks or hit harder, but this guy can middle ground quite competently.

 JNAProductions wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

Oh yeah, WS chart is a thing there LOL

Never mind, I'm asking too many questions now LOL

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/23/heresy-thursday-the-sicaran-venator-is-a-high-speed-tank-hunter-with-a-massive-laser/

Tank Heresy continues:
Neutron laser Sicaran

little surprised it wasn't just a continuation of the parade of chapter dreadnought bits, so something of a positive.


Getting curious when this, the Typhon and the Cerebrus might actually release- the typhon preview was back in mid-December.

Might add one of those to my Legion. I really need to fill out the rest of my motor pool.

Hurray for plastic!

I bought loads of HH stuff on launch but almost nothing since, due solely to this glut of tank releases.

Didn't notice it was gone from FW but would have thought we get the Vindicator before this one or even just the other Sicaran variants

Sciaran?
Sicarn?

Nice work by the WHC editors, there...

Bit of a surprise, but a nice one. Now if I could just find the turrets from when I was building the Sicarans I have, I could finish them in time for this new addition.

I would be so down for a Horus Heresy themed World of Tanks clone, or maybe something akin to a squad shooter / lane tactics game mostly based on tanks. You could have stuff like awesome squadron fights against Titans, bunker assault, releasing Terminators or air strikes as skills...

Nobody expected (another) HH tank

...
Please, just give us the infantry.

Not Online!!! wrote:
...
Please, just give us the infantry.

And the Cults and Militia and Daemons rules, please?

I'm still waiting for the last two announced tanks, could they bring these out first?

Another Sicaran variant. Libers list 5 Sicaran variants, will we still get 3 more kits of these?

My Sky Hunter box should arrive tomorrow, will finally get to test the new MKVI rider torso. Hope it can work with most of the bike/jetbike kits in the 40K range.. or as a MKVI pilot for most of the plastic canopy flyers out there..

 tauist wrote:
Another Sicaran variant. Libers list 5 Sicaran variants, will we still get 3 more kits of these?

My Sky Hunter box should arrive tomorrow, will finally get to test the new MKVI rider torso. Hope it can work with most of the bike/jetbike kits in the 40K range..

3 variants are just different turrets, that should not be too complicated.

Ha, as suspected.

Another Laser machine for my Alphas please. Squadrons of 2? Ohh, thank you very much...

I like it, if it had to be another tank this is the one I wanted.

Now maybe some breachers next time?

Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

 morganfreeman wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

But also?

Why wouldn’t they?

Much as I love me tanks and Dreads, I hope plastic assault troops arrive sooner rather than later.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But also?

Why wouldn’t they?

Much as I love me tanks and Dreads, I hope plastic assault troops arrive sooner rather than later.

It boggles the mind, tbh.

There are a few thin threads of logic I could come up with...

A. they're prioritizing tanks because they are the most expensive kits from FW and moving them to plastic nearly halves the price (Sicaran goes from 144 USD to 80 USD in the move to plastic) which reduces the cost of getting into the game dramatically.

B. tanks were the one thing they likely assumed that people didn't have a lot of, and troops they likely assumed people had plenty. After all, Mk 3 and Mk 4 marines have been on sale for a long time, as well as plastic contemptors and terminators, but very little else in plastic. Better to move big chunks of resin to plastic first.

C. the third-party market for bits and bobs for marines is HUGE, especially when it comes to 30k. Getting shields, chainswords, and other things is relatively simple, and they often fit the Mk 3, 4, and 6 marines that are already in plastic really well. GW could have been concerned that putting out the other troops might not have garnered as much profit potential as the tanks

D. the other base marines, from assault to recon, are being saved for future box set releases that may coincide with further books and such. There were rumors a long while back that hinted at there being books for each chapter that would flesh them out, and rumors about box sets that would have other marine variants

That's all I can think of.

We're screaming at GW for the troops, I've seen it in their livestreams, on twitter, on reddit, here, and plenty other places. They know, and yet they sit apparently content missing out on money they could be making. As we speak, some friends are looking to other solutions to make quick and easy despoilers and breachers, instead of buying from GW :/

Only thing I can see is that this is being great for bit makers.

Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

drbored wrote:
It boggles the mind, tbh.

There are a few thin threads of logic I could come up with...

With regard to your options, it wouldn't surprise me if every single one was considered. A, B, and D are definitely closer to the truth and you pretty much have it on the mark. Reducing the FW catalogue to actually make it a specialist division again, the currently available large catalogue of infantry kits (3 PA, 2 Termi, plus upgrades), and spacing out releases makes more money in the long run.

E. The FW tank kits are the ones disproportionately more likely to be returned as warped by customers, and the ones where the molds take up the most space (which we know is a non-trivial issue for FW), so GW are incentivised to move those to plastic.

The only real rumours we had was that no significant infantry kits were likely until the summer from Valrak in one of his live videos, and I've kinda made my peace with that. We still have an astonishing amount of plastic models for this game compared to what we used to have.

I've been enjoying building the kits I've picked up.
Built a Spartan, Sicaran, and Leviathan, as well as a Deredeo I had in a box.

I still have a 2nd Spartan on sprue, the Contemptor, and I want to pick up a Kratos.

Regarding Infantry, I haven't built a single one from the AoD box. The volume of models is intimidating. The number of equipment choices is head-spinning, with the weapon packs, unless you focus on a theme.

I feel like the release rate has been breakneck speed.
Having even more infantry to add to the backlog would be demoralizing right now.

But that's just my experience.
I don't expect to get a game in until after Adepticon.

drbored wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to wishlisting. Some form of despoiler / assault squad box, or at the very least a “melee upgrade sprue” for MKVI are inevitable. I’d be confident betting my house on it, given a long enough timeline.

Breathers, seekers, and the other more niche infantry squads? Those I suspect we’ll see, but they’re not nearly as core to the entire game, so while they’re likely, they actually are a wish list.

 morganfreeman wrote:

drbored wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to wishlisting. Some form of despoiler / assault squad box, or at the very least a “melee upgrade sprue” for MKVI are inevitable. I’d be confident betting my house on it, given a long enough timeline.

Breathers, seekers, and the other more niche infantry squads? Those I suspect we’ll see, but they’re not nearly as core to the entire game, so while they’re likely, they actually are a wish list.

I agree with you, the logic checks out, at some point those different options SHOULD be in plastic and in our hands.

I disagree only on a technicality, and that's that GW has not yet confirmed that we're getting those options at all, what they'll look like, or when they'll come out. Until we hear it from the horse's mouth, it's just speculation.

Anyway, part of me is excited for new things to come out as well. We've seen the Kratos, as well as new sponson and turret weapons for a few tanks (Predator esp) and there's plenty more design space in 30k for different sorts of units. GW's business isn't JUST about updating old kits, but is also about giving us new options that we've never seen before. I'm looking forward to seeing what those sorts of things might be.

After all, before the move to 2.0, we had the Sabre and Arquitor. Aside from tanks, different types of land speeders, bikes, artillery pieces, dreadnoughts, and even infantry squads and leaders are all on the table.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they released a giant head on tracks so they can cover their bases of releasing heads and tanks.

 tauist wrote:
Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

It's a really nice kit, IMHO. Lots of options, and the ones that you don't use can be used for bits for other kits. The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

That, or the inevitable Chapter-specific jetcycle hood ornament upgrade packs!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Got my Sky Hunters kit.

The riders sprue aint half bad; 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 unsheathed chainsword hilt + chainsword hand itself, 1 hand flamer (very nice RT look to it! *chefskiss*), 3 volkite serpentas, 3 unique pistol holster bits, 1 empty pistol holster bit, 3 beakie heads without any side grilles/vents (one skull on forehead variant), 1 bare head with rectangular left eye bionics, 1 spare MKVI Helmet (yes, you can create a neckline and use it as yet another beakie helm variant), plus some accessories, 6 left arms in three different poses, 5 right arms in 2 different poses.. Dope

Those 3 beakie heads without any side vents are a brilliant idea actually! Now we can make any kind of side grille designs ourselves, with a panel line engraver or some other carving tool

The rider legs are odd - they have like these vents on the insides of the leg? (Not ideal...)

It's a really nice kit, IMHO. Lots of options, and the ones that you don't use can be used for bits for other kits. The only real "problem" that I can see is that the "hood ornaments" are kinda required, because there's a hole in the Jetbike that they slot into. But hey, that's what greenstuff/milliput is for, isn't it?

I haven't even thought about that to be honest! I am contemplating on just selling the jetbike sprues, I only wanted the rider sprue..

EDIT: Aand you can see from the pict below that my hopes were in vain. These riders sit much wider than the cramped resin legs of LS pilots. Oh well, it was worth the shot ..

 tauist wrote:
You you can see from the pict below that my hopes were in vain. These riders sit much wider than the cramped resin legs of LS pilots. Oh well, it was worth the shot ..

Don’t give up so fast! It would not be hard to remove the legs, trim the sides of the pelvis section and re-attach the legs so they are closer together. I’ve done it many times with Orks…

Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Now that might get a purchase out of me.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Would be nice. Glaive and Felblade share everything but the turret, they could either combine the two into one kit, or separate out the main weapon into sprues to swap between the two kits.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Plastic Glaive/Fellblade confirmed

Oh my poor wallet..

Oh god yes. This was the one super heavy that I wanted to see in plastic. MUST ACHIEVE MAXIMUM CHOOM!

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Definitely getting my Dangles one of these.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, the Legion Glaive is now marked as "Sold Out":

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Glaive

Considering what's been happening with the other tanks, could we be seeing the Glaive return in all plastic?

Would be nice. Glaive and Felblade share everything but the turret, they could either combine the two into one kit, or separate out the main weapon into sprues to swap between the two kits.

They will probably be different kits based on the Cerberus/Typhon (Unless those are actually in one kit?)

Potentially a single kit, looking at what they’ve packed into the Baneblade set.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely getting my Dangles one of these.

I'm going to be strapping a vortex missile to mine and hoping really really REEEEEALLY hard we get rules for it.

Still available in the US. That could just mean that they still have some left, however.

The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

 Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

Totally true - can confirm.

I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The Fellblade is still there so I doubt it. Plus it's FW, anything that site does is shrouded in mystery and confusion.

That is because FW is controlled by Tzeentch and all its staff are Alpha Legion operatives.

Totally true - can confirm.

I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

all i want on the other hand is a kraken / combiweapons box tho

That would please me more than assault infantry. of course jumppack assault infantry is also something that is nice.

 Alpharius wrote:


I've resisted the Glaive due to FW's notoriously fiddly/warpy resin issues that really manifest themselves on larger models.

A plastic Fellblade/Glaive?

Yes, please!

But of course, assault infantry in plastic sooner rather than later will also be greatly appreciated.

I have both a Fellblade and a Glaive, and good lord was their assembly hell. The Baneblade chassis was a snap, but the minor warping on the rest of the chassis and hull took lots of heat treatments. On the flip side, the turrets are very solid and had no imperfections, nor did the cannons (well, a little warping, but nothing unexpected).

Given the size of these tanks, I could easily envision a dual kit with a Baneblade price. And I would happily buy 2 more.

As the (proud?) owner of both a 100% resin Baneblade and Stormblade, I can say that I would never buy a tank that big from FW ever again*. Re-doing them in plastic would be incredible.





*Or anything from FW actually, but that's a different story.

*remembers assembling the Fellblade*

Yeeeehhhh.....a plastic kit would be nice. But I'd still like to see more plastic infantry (including some for the Mechanicum and SA) before going straight to super heavy tanks.

Edit: And a comprehensive FAQ that cleans up some of the rules would be nice, as well.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yeeeehhhh.....a plastic kit would be nice. But I'd still like to see more plastic infantry (including some for the Mechanicum and SA) before going straight to super heavy tanks.

I'd be surprised if there were no new Legion infantry by the end of this year.
As for Mech and Aux, nobody should get their hopes up. At best Mech will see Skitarri moved out of the Titan Legions list whereas Solar Auxilia is a dead project that's kept going because FW doesn't need to clear out the range just yet.

Edit: And a comprehensive FAQ that cleans up some of the rules would be nice, as well.

I'm gonna say summer-ish, roughly a year after release.

I'd just like them to make laser destroyer bitz for the super-heavies...

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I'd just like them to make laser destroyer bitz for the super-heavies...

Pretty sure they just consider that the same weapons can double as lascannon arrays and laser destroyers. Seems to be how they looked at them with the plastic Spartan.

@Gert: You're probably right on both counts (though I'm not sure that I'd write off SA as a "dead project"). The infantry will come, and the FAQ will probably happen after everything is out (*cough* Cults and Militia *cough* Daemons of the Ruinstorm *cough*).

With regard to C&M and Ruinstorm it's been a little over a month since the final Legion focussed Exemplary Battles. I'd wager within the next few months both armies will return as PDFs alongside the release of the Traitor Assassin guy. That would take us up to about summertime.
As for Solar Aux, it's been five years since they got a model release and even then that was a surprise.

 Gert wrote:
With regard to C&M and Ruinstorm it's been a little over a month since the final Legion focussed Exemplary Battles. I'd wager within the next few months both armies will return as PDFs alongside the release of the Traitor Assassin guy. That would take us up to about summertime.
As for Solar Aux, it's been five years since they got a model release and even then that was a surprise.

Probably on DotR and Cults and Militia (a FAQ for the Astartes Exemplary Battles units would be nice, as well).

But, five years? Ok, how long did Tyranids go without anything new again? Or Dark Eldar?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
With regard to C&M and Ruinstorm it's been a little over a month since the final Legion focussed Exemplary Battles. I'd wager within the next few months both armies will return as PDFs alongside the release of the Traitor Assassin guy. That would take us up to about summertime.
As for Solar Aux, it's been five years since they got a model release and even then that was a surprise.

Probably on DotR and Cults and Militia (a FAQ for the Astartes Exemplary Battles units would be nice, as well).

But, five years? Ok, how long did Tyranids go without anything new again? Or Dark Eldar?

Thanks to GW's new trend of releasing at least 1 model with a Codex each edition, most armies will get SOMETHING within a roughly 2-4 year span.

Solar Auxilia... if GW is serious about supporting or selling those models, they'll need to be made plastic. The whole reason people are getting into 30k is because it's actually relatively affordable now. A lot of the new players are trying to find as many ways to avoid resin as possible. The time of people buying huge resin krieg and solar aux armies are gone; economic turmoil, inflation, and price rises have made sure of that.

Tyranids was 7.

2014 through 2021.

(IIRC, )

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tyranids was 7.

2014 through 2021.

(IIRC, )

Thank you, H.B.M.C.. So 5 is not an outlier.

Ruinstorm would be fun, give my 3rd legion an excuse to play a list representing late during their fall. Throw in some deamonettes.

Not a news or rumor but my bet is that deredeo will be released much later alongside plastic flyers. Assault upgrade sprue, jump packs and land speeders seem more likely after they are done with tanks.

Do we have any news or ideas on ruinstorm daemons arrival?

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Do we have any news or ideas on ruinstorm daemons arrival?

No? But then again we don't have the actual imperial army and the reserve of the imperial army either...

It would be prudent though to release them before the traitor esoterist is released, afterall the sole reason for that unit/consuls existence is summoning daemons, whilest the loyalist esoterist should've just been renamed into exorcist.

I am very much enjoying the age of the plastic Tank but please GW release some plastic assault marine arms.

I wonder what we'll see this week

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Thank you, H.B.M.C.. So 5 is not an outlier.

Except we aren't talking about 40k though. Solar Aux haven't been featured in a primary HH publication prior to HH2 since 2016 when the Crusade Imperialis army book was released and only got a free PDF unit in 2018.
I have seen the notion that the army was the pet project of someone no longer at the FW studio but I'm not sure on the validity of that idea. But as for Solar Aux ever making the jump to plastic, not within the next decade at the very least.

Ok red alert because the Fellblade is also now sold out on the UK FW store.

 Gert wrote:
Ok red alert because the Fellblade is also now sold out on the UK FW store.

Interesting. Adepticon at the end of March. Wonder if it's true and we'll see previews...

The WHW Open Day is this weekend and as per the WarCom article:

Did we mention there’ll be some brand new models shown off for the first time? If you’ve ever wondered what it feels like to be one of the first in the world to see the hottest upcoming miniatures in the flesh (or plastic), this is the event for you.

I'm thinking Farsight and Snikrot at the very least, some AoS stuff, and if these are now OOP then perhaps the Super Heavies. I would absolutely love to grab a Fellblade.

Fellblade and Glaive both…..gone gone, from Forgeworld.

Possibly Thursdays tease/reveal

Confirmed is confirmed

Kind of makes sense, even 40K Primaris players can use Space Marine superheavies. Will be selling like hotcakes

Ready your cash cannons!

Hope they are out for sale by May!

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Not a news or rumor but my bet is that deredeo will be released much later alongside plastic flyers. Assault upgrade sprue, jump packs and land speeders seem more likely after they are done with tanks.

Maybe?

But "done with tanks" appears to be quite far away...

Ish.

Not that many more left now.

Vindicators, Sabres and Arquitor chassis.

gilljoy wrote:
I am very much enjoying the age of the plastic Tank but please GW release some plastic assault marine arms.

I wonder what we'll see this week

What do you do to keep them from dying instantly? The models are cool as hell, but not worth the time/money/effort/points to actually use them in a game.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ish.

Not that many more left now.

Vindicators, Sabres and Arquitor chassis.

Are you seriously implying that they WON'T pull an entirely new pattern of armour outta their ass just to drag out Daemons/Cults/Militia.

Your faith in GW is stronger than mine.

They seem to be intent on dragging out the 30k release as long as humanly possible. My group lost interest 6 months ago when the game had been out for 6 months and all we had was the stuff in the starter box. All the popular FW stuff for 30k has basically been perma-OOS since the game launched, at least here in the states.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ish.

Not that many more left now.

Vindicators, Sabres and Arquitor chassis.

Are you seriously implying that they WON'T pull an entirely new pattern of armour outta their ass just to drag out Daemons/Cults/Militia.

Your faith in GW is stronger than mine.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what they come up with. Getting a 30k-era stormtalon gunship, or a heavier version of the land speeder, or an anti-air tank like the Hunter/Stalker that came out for 40k a while back, there's plenty of room for them to add new things.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ish.

Not that many more left now.

Vindicators, Sabres and Arquitor chassis.

Are you seriously implying that they WON'T pull an entirely new pattern of armour outta their ass just to drag out Daemons/Cults/Militia.

Your faith in GW is stronger than mine.

Looks like they already have assets for most of those.
Both Vindicators just need front and top sprues added to the rhino hull
The Arquitors new middle sections and some bits to relocate the exhaust for the Sicaran tracks
Where as the Sabres and Fellblade/ Glaive looks like they will be full new kits

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ish.

Not that many more left now.

Vindicators, Sabres and Arquitor chassis.

Are you seriously implying that they WON'T pull an entirely new pattern of armour outta their ass just to drag out Daemons/Cults/Militia.

Your faith in GW is stronger than mine.

Check your Libers. So far, barring the Chaos Assassin dude, nothing has been released not covered in a book ruleswise.

Also, the Fellblade and other tanks mentioned above are still available in US site.

iirc, there's a system in place in the GW websites where if something runs out of stock it can disappear entirely from the site to prevent orders from coming in that can't be satisfied or something to that effect. It's just a flag that a worker has to check and then it comes back.

So yeah, I wouldn't put toooooo much stock into the fell-variants from coming out super quickly, but you never know. I'd personally prefer to see them come out with the other tanks, like the Vindicators and other Sicaran variants first.

Glaive is back up. Oh well.

 Gert wrote:
Glaive is back up. Oh well.

Not for me - still "no longer available" on UK site on my view

Hm, appears to have gone back to sold out. At this point, I'm putting money on FW just being a janky website.

Partial Great Success is…partial.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/02/heresy-thursday-spice-up-your-legions-with-chainsaw-wielding-despoiler-squads/





Resin.

But

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

We finally got our Despoiler squads!

But not in the way we expected...

Resin. And the arms are generic, meant to fit various armour marks... which is weird. I think (hope) this is some kind of stop-gap product.

This weeks preview: close combat weapons/bolt pistols upgrade set, and more important, the article at least confirms that more infantry is being produced:

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/02/heresy-thursday-spice-up-your-legions-with-chainsaw-wielding-despoiler-squads

Hopefully, that will arrive soon and encompass the much-awaited proper assault infantry.

Lol.

This resin upgrade kit will be released by Forge World soon.

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks!

Another armour mark in plastic? Perhaps they'll do MkV assault marines?

Triple snap!

 xttz wrote:

This resin upgrade kit will be released by Forge World soon.

And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks!

Another armour mark in plastic? Perhaps they'll do MkV assault marines?

Thallax or we riot.

Resin? Better stay with tanks GW.

Little worried that getting these in resin does not bode well for plastic CC units in the near future.

 Nevelon wrote:
Little worried that getting these in resin does not bode well for plastic CC units in the near future.

Not MkVI anyway. Might yet see MkV Despoilers and jump.

I remain convinced that rumours we're not getting any significant infantry before late summer remain correct, but this is something to make the complaints go away a bit in the meantime - it is a very easy product to quickly spin up compared to plastic tooling in a get you by fashion.

Better than nothing, but I have enough painting backlog that I'll just wait for plastics.

Finally... wait, what?
resin upgrades? Feth you, GW.


That 'plastic in production' promise better be ironclad and soon.

Are we sure it's Resin?

Based on FW prices I assumed they were the dried tears of unicorns.

 The Phazer wrote:
I remain convinced that rumours we're not getting any significant infantry before late summer remain correct, but this is something to make the complaints go away a bit in the meantime - it is a very easy product to quickly spin up compared to plastic tooling in a get you by fashion.

Better than nothing, but I have enough painting backlog that I'll just wait for plastics.

Agreed - it's most probably not even 'designed', but a recombination of existing assets or b-listed stuff that didn't make the cut in other sets, and a very generic stop-gap solution.

I'd wager a guess that they're gearing up for a larger release in the 2nd half to 4th quarter of the year, whatever that may be, because early 10th edition time will mean that 'mainstream' marines will need some time in the spotlight that 'classic' marines might detract from.

I want to believe this is just a stop gap solution until the real plastic Despoiler Marines are coming.
I would expect resin models to have a shorter turnaround than plastics but would that be possible in these timeframes?
Could they make resin moulds for this in a few months after they saw the outcry for melee marines if they already had the cad files for future plastic releases until the plastic version is finished?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are we sure it's Resin?

Based on FW prices I assumed they were the dried tears of unicorns.

From the article

"Now you can get that close combat feel with the forthcoming Despoiler Squad upgrade set from Forge World. This resin pack comes with five arms with chainswords and five with bolt pistols for your MKVI plastic Space Marines. Aspiring commanders can use it to build brutal Despoiler squads to scythe through enemy lines."

Seems pretty clear to me, Kid.

 Matrindur wrote:
I want to believe this is just a stop gap solution until the real plastic Despoiler Marines are coming.
I would expect resin models to have a shorter turnaround than plastics but would that be possible in these timeframes?
Could they make resin moulds for this in a few months after they saw the outcry for melee marines if they already had the cad files for future plastic releases until the plastic version is finished?

Resin moulds for stuff like that are ridiculously simple to make, it's literally a process you can do in a garage. If they already had CAD files or physical masters for that stuff, making resin moulds and starting to pour them would be a matter of days, or weeks at most. It's not like these are the first chainswords / bolt pistols they've ever designed, it would be an absolutely trivial task for them to roll that upgrade pack out. To the point that getting management approval etc. probably took longer than the actual production process.

I'll just grab the popcorn...

They are gonna be like 25$ for 5.
I'm gonna have to find other ways to get them made. Maybe just repose the arms they come with

Whoever makes these decisions should be forced to drink a gallon of resin and pinned to the front of GW HQ as an example to other employees.

Y'all notice that the melee weapons aren't limited to just the left hands like usual?

Nope gw.
Not gonna sell a part of a liver for not even getting a full squad equipped, and especially not as i am getting shafted anyways by GW due to FW delivery in my country being artificially inflated.

So it's not even enough for a 10 man squad and resin too. They're somehow able to pump out endless plastic accesories sprues for necromunda but plastic assault/breachers is just somehow beyond reach. A boon to 3d printers I guess, no one is happy about having to buy 4 packs for a 20 man squad.

This is very…underwhelming. It suggests to me that when the plastic assault infantry do arrive, they won’t be Mk VI. But I certainly won’t be buying resin close combat weapons in the meantime.

 Crablezworth wrote:
So it's not even enough for a 10 man squad and resin too. They're somehow able to pump out endless plastic accesories sprues for necromunda but plastic assault/breachers is just somehow beyond reach. A boon to 3d printers I guess, no one is happy about having to buy 4 packs for a 20 man squad.

Never mind Necromunda.

Look at the plakky Assault and Heavy Weapons for Heresy.

They can release mark 2 marines and then spend 18 weeks previewing FW upgrade heads

Noooooooooooooooooooooo

The Eviscerator looks nice, and I'm a fan of these Sky Hunter style chainswords, but these are all identical arm poses and only offer a right hand=sword, left hand=pistol config. Might still buy a single pack, but will probably just grab the Eviscerator separately from a bitz seller.

At least the article confirms more plastic infantry is forthcoming. I'm thinking the plastic kit will come with Jump Packs, which will come with separate torsos, these resin arms exist just so you can also build CC models without jump packs.

Oh wait, I forgot that resin pieces can actually be reposed to a degree by heating them and bending them while heated! Maybe I'll buy a single kit after all.. although this doesn't mean that making most of these arms identical wouldn't make the product look "low effort" / lazy..

 tauist wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo

The Eviscerator looks nice, and I'm a fan of these Sky Hunter style chainswords, but these are all identical arm poses and only offer a right hand=sword, left hand=pistol config. Might still buy a single pack, but will probably just grab the Eviscerator separately from a bitz seller.

At least the article confirms more plastic infantry is forthcoming. I'm thinking the plastic kit will come with Jump Packs, which will come with separate torsos, these resin arms exist just so you can also build CC models without jump packs.

Oh wait, I forgot that resin pieces can actually be reposed to a degree by heating them and bending them while heated! Maybe I'll buy a single kit after all.. although this doesn't mean that making most of these arms identical wouldn't make the product look "low effort" / lazy..

Don't forget these are 5 sets of arms, for a squad that has 10 models.

So whatever they cost, double it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo

The Eviscerator looks nice, and I'm a fan of these Sky Hunter style chainswords, but these are all identical arm poses and only offer a right hand=sword, left hand=pistol config. Might still buy a single pack, but will probably just grab the Eviscerator separately from a bitz seller.

At least the article confirms more plastic infantry is forthcoming. I'm thinking the plastic kit will come with Jump Packs, which will come with separate torsos, these resin arms exist just so you can also build CC models without jump packs.

Oh wait, I forgot that resin pieces can actually be reposed to a degree by heating them and bending them while heated! Maybe I'll buy a single kit after all.. although this doesn't mean that making most of these arms identical wouldn't make the product look "low effort" / lazy..

Don't forget these are 5 sets of arms, for a squad that has 10 models.

So whatever they cost, double it.

6 sets of arms

For every 5 packs you buy, that's 30 marines! A much better deal than 5 packs for 25 marines. Why, yes, 5 would need a heavy chainsword, surely that's not a problem

Went through this annoyance with AT, but at least in this case GW has acknowledged that more plastic troops are on the way.

I'm wondering if the next focus for 30K will be a Zone Mortalis supplement released alongside new infantry. Possibly a new starter set that's aimed at 1250 points. Zone Mortalis was a one-off in White Dwarf last year, while they've been holding back on new plastic troop kits and especially the much requested assault marines.

 The Phazer wrote:
I remain convinced that rumours we're not getting any significant infantry before late summer remain correct, but this is something to make the complaints go away a bit in the meantime - it is a very easy product to quickly spin up compared to plastic tooling in a get you by fashion.

Better than nothing, but I have enough painting backlog that I'll just wait for plastics.

I completely agree, and suspect we’ll be seeing another large AoD style bo(though maybe not as big) drop this summer.

My concern is that it won’t really matter though. The 3rd party market has noticed the distinct gap in supply for this extremely basic aspect and stepped up to plug the hole. I’ve already gotten my needs met through them, and have even splurged on indulging other armor marks to the point that I’ll have no need of such a box. I imagine that by the time it hits, most other customers will have already gotten what they need elsewhere or seen their scene petter off and fade from a complete lack of basic necessities.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary. Certainly a set of 5 resin arms for a unit that needs at least 10 is an easy pass. What a fumble.

 Snord wrote:
This is very…underwhelming. It suggests to me that when the plastic assault infantry do arrive, they won’t be Mk VI. But I certainly won’t be buying resin close combat weapons in the meantime.

I'm fine with a different mark of armor. Honestly what I want most is different poses for bodies. Attaching these the to the limited set of existing poses (which are setup for carrying or shooting guns) is probably the worst part of this whole stumble.

Though cross-compatibilty between all the plastic weapon sets and bolter arms they've already produced and the assault weapons they will theoretically produce would be nice.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary. Certainly a set of 5 resin arms for a unit that needs at least 10 is an easy pass. What a fumble.

An out of character Lead Balloon of a release/tease for certain.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo

The Eviscerator looks nice, and I'm a fan of these Sky Hunter style chainswords, but these are all identical arm poses and only offer a right hand=sword, left hand=pistol config. Might still buy a single pack, but will probably just grab the Eviscerator separately from a bitz seller.

At least the article confirms more plastic infantry is forthcoming. I'm thinking the plastic kit will come with Jump Packs, which will come with separate torsos, these resin arms exist just so you can also build CC models without jump packs.

Oh wait, I forgot that resin pieces can actually be reposed to a degree by heating them and bending them while heated! Maybe I'll buy a single kit after all.. although this doesn't mean that making most of these arms identical wouldn't make the product look "low effort" / lazy..

Don't forget these are 5 sets of arms, for a squad that has 10 models.

So whatever they cost, double it.

Nah, I only need 5 ATM. I'm still playing 40K & KT21 until GW makes it feasible to field enough CC troops for my IXth.

Had to go over to /r 30k to read the redditor's reactions - didn't disappoint! (spoiler: Reddit is FURIOUS hehehe)

I still remain convinced that we got resin upgrades just for making CC marines without jump packs. The plastic kit with jump pack torsos will be released later this year, but not before 10th edition 40K drops. Can't have potential players eloping from 40K to play HH2 now can we Conspiracy Cat whispered me that GW is shocked at the success of HH2 and wants to deliberately stall releases until 10th edition lands..

Forget reddit, I'm furious. I'll go join them.

I do not play 30k at present, I'd like world eaters, I aren't doing that with resin arms.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Resin? Better stay with tanks GW.

Correct.

Like I say, if this is a "get you buy" release until the long planned Mk VI assault troops get released until August I don't think that's too bad, but I do think GW should be more straight with players that that's what the situation is, rather than some cutsie statement that more troops are coming.

How many would buy these then?

tneva82 wrote:
How many would buy these then?

Depends.

Right now? I’m in absolutely no rush whatsoever.

But if in future it’s looking “that’s yer lot”? Like. Maybe?

I think the bigger issue is I can cobble some chainswords and bolt pistols out of my bits horde, if they'd just done some melee special weapons or sergeants weapons to provide more heavy chainswords or power weapons that would be of more use at least.

No charnabal outrage yet? Apparently HH players here don't actually read the fluff, go figure

 stahly wrote:
Resin. And the arms are generic, meant to fit various armour marks...

They are really not, though? They look nothing like Mk II/III, are not simple like V/VII, lack the IV wrist protection - funnily enough look the most like VIII/X but can pass as VI in a pinch, too.

 tauist wrote:
these are all identical arm poses

Eh, exposed wrist makes them trivial to cut/repose, especially in comparison of all these new gakky arms with wrist protector clipping into hand. Wish more generic weapons followed this, or at least had hand separate from the wrist bit...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
How many would buy these then?

Depends.

Right now? I’m in absolutely no rush whatsoever.

But if in future it’s looking “that’s yer lot”? Like. Maybe?

If gw says plastic version coming do you really expect sales not suffer?

At most they say they won't be coming.

 The Phazer wrote:
Like I say, if this is a "get you buy" release until the long planned Mk VI assault troops get released until August I don't think that's too bad, but I do think GW should be more straight with players that that's what the situation is, rather than some cutsie statement that more troops are coming.

A roadmap would be nice.
Not even fixed dates but fixed chain of what will come after another.

Also i'd like my militia and cults pdf and my daemonstorm pdf gw.

 Irbis wrote:
No charnabal outrage yet? Apparently HH players here don't actually read the fluff, go figure

 stahly wrote:
Resin. And the arms are generic, meant to fit various armour marks...

They are really not, though? They look nothing like Mk II/III, are not simple like V/VII, lack the IV wrist protection - funnily enough look the most like VIII/X but can pass as VI in a pinch, too.

 tauist wrote:
these are all identical arm poses

Eh, exposed wrist makes them trivial to cut/repose, especially in comparison of all these new gakky arms with wrist protector clipping into hand. Wish more generic weapons followed this, or at least had hand separate from the wrist bit...

Exposed wrist is good too. Combined with the malleability of resin, I can imagine there being some mileage for conversions indeed.

I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

Barring any concrete evidence that indicates otherwise, i guess 'marines first' is a reasonable assumption.

That being said, we had that one rumour engine pic that could be a Thallax leg.

So as these arms don't really fit with any armour mark below VI, what if GW makes the ultimate troll move and makes the plastic Despoiler squad MkVII (in a reimagined Heresy era design). Maybe these arms are a sign to come?

I think I'll just stick to my plan to buy some CSM, Scrape off the Chos symbols and use them for my son's of horus despoilers

Pretty underwhelming, but hey, it's a thing. It also might be a way for them to finally remove the old mk 3, 4, and 5 resin Despoilers that are still on FW, reducing FW's inventory load from supporting 3 kinds of resin despoilers to just one upgrade kit while GW handles the plastic 'bases' for those things.

Also, watch, they'll come out with plastic assault marines and it'll be cheaper to get a box of them AND a box of regular tactical marines (for the backpacks) than it will be to get 4 boxes of these upgrade packs to make your Despoilers.

Man what a disaster.

drbored wrote:
Pretty underwhelming, but hey, it's a thing. It also might be a way for them to finally remove the old mk 3, 4, and 5 resin Despoilers that are still on FW, reducing FW's inventory load from supporting 3 kinds of resin despoilers to just one upgrade kit while GW handles the plastic 'bases' for those things.

Also, watch, they'll come out with plastic assault marines and it'll be cheaper to get a box of them AND a box of regular tactical marines (for the backpacks) than it will be to get 4 boxes of these upgrade packs to make your Despoilers.

There's no way to know what the eventual Assault Squad kit will be like. Poses might end up being so dynamic that arms might be partially connected to the torsos etc, or the kit might end up being in another armour mark entirely.

This set is obviously a stopgap, but it might also end up being the only official way of getting in-scale chainswords and umbra pattern bolt pistols that fit the 2022 MKVI tactical kit (outside of Sky Hunter kit extra bits, that is). Thirstiest MKVI fanboys like myself might have to end up relying on this set + Sky Hunter extras, getting one of each gives 6 unsheathed chainswords, 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 Eviscerator, 1 power weapon, 3 volkite serpentas, 1 hand flamer and 5 umbra bolt pistols. Throw in the Sergeant upgrades from the tac kit and you *barely* have 12-13 CC weapons and 10 various pistols. Can those bits make for a legal 10 model squad?

EDIT: Just checked my Liber, one of these sets + Sky Hunters bits is just enough to make a valid Despoiler squad from a 2022 MKVI tactical squad kit.. but you'll have to use the sheathed chainswords as well. Which then means that those spare arms from the Hvy Wpn upgrades wont go to waste.. Stingy.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

Barring any concrete evidence that indicates otherwise, i guess 'marines first' is a reasonable assumption.

That being said, we had that one rumour engine pic that could be a Thallax leg.

I had a look for said leg pic but could not find; can you assist?
If it is a thallax leg i'll recognise it.

Did some math, and I see GW's logic now.

Let's assume these upgrades will be the same price as the heads or shoulder pads from FW, 23 USD. Getting 4 packs of those plus a 20 man tactical box means you have...
80+92 = 172 dollars.

The current price for Mark 3 and 4 despoilers is 68 dollars for 5 models.
68 x 4 = 272 dollars.

So it could be up to 100 dollars less than the current situation... and you'll get an extra power axe and heavy chainsword for your trouble, which you wouldn't get out of the previous resin kits.

Not great, but better than the current situation. I'm sure many places can provide you with bolt pistols and chainswords for a lot cheaper though...

 SirDonlad wrote:

I had a look for said leg pic but could not find; can you assist?
If it is a thallax leg i'll recognise it.

I believe they're referring to this one. It doesn't show the "leg", but rather the engine at the back of the potential Thallax leg.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary.

In fact I would argue that resin melee arms are good evidence that plastic melee arms are nowhere on the horizon.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

I believe they're referring to this one. It doesn't show the "leg", but rather the engine at the back of the potential Thallax leg.

Nice one!

That is not a Thallax thruster.
The Thallax thruster is a constant angle all the way to the connection point.
On the side it has three indented concave semi-circular sweeps with a convex radius at the intersection line.


That image looks to be a copy but instead of sweep cuts they went for a series of increasing diameter disks leaving a 'steppped' exterior.
Also, the taper of the overall conic shape is a wider angle; ~45° compared to 30° on the Thallax.

Can't speak for Ursarax because i don't like them and didn't buy any, but can confidently deny Thallaxi status for that image 100%.

Based on the weird sci-fi chamfered shape the nozzie/thruster in that rumor engine picture, I would strongly suspect it's Votann due to how much they have those same sorts of proportions and angles.

Have to say haven't laughed as hard as I laughed yesterday reading the article. Such an absurd situation Had to remind me it wasn't 1st of april.

But picture of blood angel also showed why upgrade sprue, even in plastic, isn't how I want my melee weapons. That's the more moving pose and still looks weird with melee guys. Add in more static poses and it would look bad.

tneva82 wrote:
But picture of blood angel also showed why upgrade sprue, even in plastic, isn't how I want my melee weapons. That's the more moving pose and still looks weird with melee guys. Add in more static poses and it would look bad.

I really like the Mk VI armour, but I have to agree that it doesn't really look very good with melee weapons. I am now hoping that, if and when we get proper plastic assault infantry, they are another variant. Mk V might be good - I am assuming that whatever kit they come out with would need to cover jetpack-equipped dudes and Breachers.

For me it's not the armour but pose.

The tragedy is how the upgrade kit looks really nice.
My guess is they change it for the actual plastic kit, and people will moan and lament that out of production resin kit for a decade

A more positive take I've seen thrown out:

This kit is a bone thrown to Mk6 purists because the actual upcoming plastic melee kit is a different mark.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A more positive take I've seen thrown out:

This kit is a bone thrown to Mk6 purists because the actual upcoming plastic melee kit is a different mark.

This was pretty much my initial take away from it as well.
My vague prediction based off nothing other then my own logically based conclusion is that we'll see either a MKII tactical and/or assault squad released or a MkIII assault/breacher unit.

 Snrub wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A more positive take I've seen thrown out:

This kit is a bone thrown to Mk6 purists because the actual upcoming plastic melee kit is a different mark.

This was pretty much my initial take away from it as well.
My vague prediction based off nothing other then my own logically based conclusion is that we'll see either a MKII tactical and/or assault squad released or a MkIII assault/breacher unit.

I'm inclined to follow what I assume is similar logic. We saw MKII with Argel Tal and the Spartan, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see them next as a fleshed out kit.

The arm positions are throwing it off for me. Mt here should be variety, at least one bolt pistol arm fully extended (for the walking marines) and one at approx 90 degrees. Chain does not as bad as arm position can alter that based on what pose is. I have only built one Mk VI marine so far (yeah, little behind on my box set), so not familiar with all the poses. Decided to do Dark Angels instead of Blood Angels anyway, so not really needing a chainsword kit.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are we sure it's Resin?

Based on FW prices I assumed they were the dried tears of unicorns.

From the article

"Now you can get that close combat feel with the forthcoming Despoiler Squad upgrade set from Forge World. This resin pack comes with five arms with chainswords and five with bolt pistols for your MKVI plastic Space Marines. Aspiring commanders can use it to build brutal Despoiler squads to scythe through enemy lines."

Seems pretty clear to me, Kid.

...Wow. This is absolute gak.

Definitely the most underwhelming HH release so far. Here's hoping that one of those "in production" plastic infantry kits are Mark V Assault Marines.

tneva82 wrote:
Have to say haven't laughed as hard as I laughed yesterday reading the article. Such an absurd situation Had to remind me it wasn't 1st of april.

But picture of blood angel also showed why upgrade sprue, even in plastic, isn't how I want my melee weapons. That's the more moving pose and still looks weird with melee guys. Add in more static poses and it would look bad.

Half the reason we need a full assault kit is to get new poses. If they released a plastic sword / pistol kit with twice as many pieces in varied arrangements it would still be very bad news, as far as I'm concerned, since we would be stuck with the current bodies (I really like the current easy build kit, but this appreciation is contingent on the expectation of new kits in the future. If we're stuck with these bodies alone I'll drop HH and not look back).

It's not easy build but modern gw style. At best we get 5 new pose but same build style.

Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

 SirDonlad wrote:


Can't speak for Ursarax because i don't like them and didn't buy any, but can confidently deny Thallaxi status for that image 100%.

I can speak to Ursurax and state that they share the same design elements as the Thallax.

Hey, realized the BA resin CC upgrade model had a Boarding Actions / KT21S2 looking base. AoO 30K planned sometime in the future?

I'd personally be THRILLED by mark 5 assault marines. My favorite mark, personally, and the only mark not available in plastic of any sort.

The only other potential is mark 2, as we've seen some of that in plastic on the tank crews already.

 tauist wrote:
Hey, realized the BA resin CC upgrade model had a Boarding Actions / KT21S2 looking base. AoO 30K planned sometime in the future?

Probably not, but I could see Boarding Actions, possibly - or just using them for Zone Mortalis.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

Yep, both variants and from multiple countries.

Guess we know what next thursday's reveal is going to be.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

Mmmm.....Vindicators. Always loved the looks of the Deimos pattern Vindicators, just couldn't justify the price. This could change that.


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drbored wrote:
I'd personally be THRILLED by mark 5 assault marines. My favorite mark, personally, and the only mark not available in plastic of any sort.

The only other potential is mark 2, as we've seen some of that in plastic on the tank crews already.

I see that you have good taste, Drbored. Yeah, let's get some Heresy pattern power armour in this Heresy....

Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

Mmmm.....Vindicators. Always loved the looks of the Deimos pattern Vindicators, just couldn't justify the price. This could change that.


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drbored wrote:
I'd personally be THRILLED by mark 5 assault marines. My favorite mark, personally, and the only mark not available in plastic of any sort.

The only other potential is mark 2, as we've seen some of that in plastic on the tank crews already.

I see that you have good taste, Drbored. Yeah, let's get some Heresy pattern power armour in this Heresy....

Right?? The whole idea of mixed armor being cobbled together to 'make do' during the HERESY so much so that it was called the HERESY PATTERN ARMOR is kind of... yeah. No-brainer.

We'll see if GW actually deliver.


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JWBS wrote:
Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

I think no matter what they did there'd still be this level of tank fatigue. We've gotten so many, with more revealed and teased, and NOTHING teased for many of the other units in 30k, such as recon marines, outrider bikes, javelin speeders, any of the aircraft, different kinds of drop pods, rapier batteries... There's a lot they could do to split things up, but they seem to be on a particular path.

The problem with Heresy armor in plastic is that it has a lot of rivets and exposed ribbing all over. If gw had to split shoulder pads in half to get rivets right, how would they cut apart entire bodies to get that to work?

To do Mk5 right it would need to be a proper 40k style unit kit with 10 sculpts for each body part, mix and matchable, and a load of options. "Cobbled together" armour that has a total of 5 fixed sculpts like the Mk6s woul be pretty worthless as a kit.

MKV has a lot less appeal for 40K players than MKVI. This is one big reason AoD chose MKVI.

MKV and MKII are coming sooner or later, but my guesstimate is later rather than sooner. GW'll prioritize releases which can be used in both 30K & 40K over 30K only releases

I'm not sure that's entirely true, CSM are pretty much all Mk5 by definition, aren't they?

For marks 2 and 3 I'd agree the crossover potential is negligible.

 tauist wrote:
MKV has a lot less appeal for 40K players than MKVI. This is one big reason AoD chose MKVI.

MKV and MKII are coming sooner or later, but my guesstimate is later rather than sooner. GW'll prioritize releases which can be used in both 30K & 40K over 30K only releases

It would be nice if GW also took the opportunity to update the Mk III and IV kits to match the newer scale and attachment points. Could use some specialist squads as a base, since they could make a 5 man infantry sprue, double it, and then add a sprue for say boarding shields and bolters or melee options to match MK III to make a box of breachers, or paired pistols and rad weapons to make destroyers in Mk IV.

Mk II I suppose would be a good option for a proper plastic despoiler squad, but Mk V what sort of unit would be best for them?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not sure that's entirely true, CSM are pretty much all Mk5 by definition, aren't they?

For marks 2 and 3 I'd agree the crossover potential is negligible.

Yeah, but modern 40K CSM don't really look like your bogstandard armour marks IMHO. They are more "artificier armour" type, flanderized looking things with oversized silly spiky things and skulls. You could utilize standard armour bits as a foundation, but you'd need to "chaosify" them a lot in order to make them fit in.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
MKV has a lot less appeal for 40K players than MKVI. This is one big reason AoD chose MKVI.

Mk II I suppose would be a good option for a proper plastic despoiler squad, but Mk V what sort of unit would be best for them?

Veterans or something like that, Mark V was the result of field repairs, legions producing their own replacement parts and so on, so it would make sense that hardened troops that saw some action already, were part of the Shattered Legions and so on would display it most prominently.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm not sure that's entirely true, CSM are pretty much all Mk5 by definition, aren't they?

For marks 2 and 3 I'd agree the crossover potential is negligible.

If' you'd give a MK V box with 10 boltguns and 10 boltpistols and chainsword out, then GW would probably sell a lot less of the new CSM, if only because the baseline equipment in there is moronical.

So yes, CSM players would quite like an MK V squad with full basic options.

I think "tank fatigue" is an oversimplification of it.

This was billed as a way to open up the Heresy to more players. Keeping huge numbers of non-Marine basic infantry in resin?

That ain't it.

Even just a few token releases here and there of infantry would go a long way towards making it genuinely feel like a real setting rather than just another exercise in the Danger Room like Marine v Marine always ends up feeling like.

HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

drbored wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

Yep, both variants and from multiple countries.

Guess we know what next thursday's reveal is going to be.

Really really hoping they'll do the Arquitor's in plastic. Can't justify spending a ton on a line artillery tank

 Gert wrote:
HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

Personal opinion. Any marine unit beyond the super heavies that is in the core list (not legion specific) bar some HQ consul choices should be in plastic.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gert wrote:
HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

Personal opinion. Any marine unit beyond the super heavies that is in the core list (not legion specific) bar some HQ consul choices should be in plastic.

Yeah, it seems obvious, really. Especially troops. Doubly so for the close combat stuff that is the functional center point for multiple legions.

I can see why (from a business perspective) the legion upgrade stuff or special units makes sense in resin, because they're intentionally cutting the potential customers by 1/18th (give or take for popular legions or people who do more than one). But we're still talking basic squads here. So a gakky upgrade sprue (that doesn't really work well with the five available body poses) just seems a waste of time.

JWBS wrote:
Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

I have given up hope on the infantry stuff. Treating HH as a World of Tanks game is the better solution for beginners. I need to consult the rulebook for minimum requirements to field a tank army and then I am good.

 Strg Alt wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

I have given up hope on the infantry stuff. Treating HH as a World of Tanks game is the better solution for beginners. I need to consult the rulebook for minimum requirements to field a tank army and then I am good.

3 Predators

But they don't get Line

Covenant of fire ROW for the 18th says otherwise....

But other than that I don't think anyone else does?

Not that line is even particularly relevant in most of the missions in the game.

Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

Which heads are those? My browser's not showing "Next Week in Warhammer" just yet.. If the Rave Guard MKVI heads are coming, I need to prepare myself!

It's Raven Guard

 tauist wrote:
Which heads are those?

Raven, Alpha & Characters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/05/sunday-preview-vashtorr-besieges-the-rock/

Awesomesauce! Been waiting for em since they were announced. 3 sets of RG heads for me, please

Think I’m gonna hold off the Cerberus. Gotta love near Titan scale weapons applied in advisably.

Neat.

Not much else to say about it until we get something truly surprising or interesting.

Feels like they have a lot more revealed than they have released XD

Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right? I can't imagine they'd release 4-5 new boxes of heavy/special weapons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Keeping huge numbers of non-Marine basic infantry in resin?

That ain't it.

Marines are the focus. Everyone knows you have Mechanicum, but like Raven Guard in 40k, they are not the focus. Marines are.

So the big releases are going to be Marine-centric. You just have to learn to accept that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Think I’m gonna hold off the Cerberus. Gotta love near Titan scale weapons applied in advisably.

I'm the same - but I might get a couple of Sicaran Venators instead...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

Shirley you must be joking.?????

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

I can't say.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

Shirley you must be joking.?????

Don't, call me Shirley.

Esoterist is basically dead weight until Daemons of the Ruinstorm come out.

Maybe we'll finally see something about it at Adepticon, but I'm not holding my breath.

drbored wrote:
Esoterist is basically dead weight until Daemons of the Ruinstorm come out.

Maybe we'll finally see something about it at Adepticon, but I'm not holding my breath.

I like that they describe him summoning entities from the warp yet we don't even know the entities so to speak...

but then again we know that cults and militia are like SA on the allies chart but we don't even know what a cult is so to speak either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right?

The current kits have Mk6 arms, so... no. They don't go with any other mark. However, the arms are on a separate sprue that's the same in all weapon boxes. So a new mark might only entail 1 new sprue of arms, but all the boxes would have to be repackaged.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right?

The current kits have Mk6 arms, so... no. They don't go with any other mark. However, the arms are on a separate sprue that's the same in all weapon boxes. So a new mark might only entail 1 new sprue of arms, but all the boxes would have to be repackaged.

Unless they just put the arms in the trooper box as options- Enlarge the accessory sprue and leave off the chain bayonets and there should be room.

I think you underestimate how many arms you need for heavy weapons. Each weapon box comes with 2-3 arm sprues the size of the mk6 accessory sprue.

I don't know where you guys are getting your weapon kits but where I live the heavy weapon kits come with two small sprues of arms with enough for the weapons in the kit and not a lot spare. The special weapon kit doesn't come with arms at all and uses the ones from the base infantry kit.

The HB / ML box?

Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

Any sightings of a price on the Typhon (and the Vashtorr box, not that it is relevant to this thread) yet?

As every monday, available on retail page.

90e for tank, 170e for big 40k box

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I also wouldn't expect it in plastic anytime soon but I also wouldn't have expected all of the tanks before any other infantry so who knows.

But it would be kind of amazing if GW only released despoilers as resin arms but then makes a plastic Mastodon

Pleasantly surprised the Typhon is the same price as the Spartan. Thought the Spartan's price might be depressed a little because of its includion in the starter.

Would wish for Typhon conversion sprue being available seperately for the folks who have spare Spartans from starter boxes lying around.

Plastic mastodon would be surprising. Especially when Arcus and Punisher are still resin. As well as things like Arquitor and Sabre.

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

Because for the size and number of sprues required for a massive superheavy, they would be a lot better served making the Thunderhawk.

Is Mastodon much bigger than a Baneblade? If not then when we have the latter in plastic why not the former?