Looking forward to the update Vik , are you going for realism or design and style now or a kind of mix of both plausible with a degree of looking the dogs …….

looking the dogs

ehut? don´t understand the figure of speech...

as for style... always rule of cool aplies and if i can i want to make it look as if it might actually be able to walk away...


tried myself with a bit of posing the legs...hope the risk payed off...

Persistence always rewards

"Looking the dogs bollix " = to look good great sorry bad English slang ……...

I am still banned from uploading. something about a upload with a my little pony stuff my bad. you can see it on my thread you named him rusty.
which is his name now i liked it

aaaahhh... rusty... now that rang the right bell^^

and you are right...these would indeed and do make good legs!^^ as in your built it already showed^^


also i would now presnt to you some imrpessions of the legworks i had done this morning... please don´t mind the clothpegs...just a means to an end^^












thruth to be told...this is atm a total junkbiult^^ all leftover pieces for the legs... do you recon i should cover up the individual pieces that form one joint? i vould add a plate there ? and of course an idea point to add rivets there...^^

comments...critizism, or the odd penny droped in my hat... i am grateful for everything

Lookin good Vik! If I were you, I would just keep on doing what you are doing, I'd worry about any armor plates or details until you have your base structures all built later.

Only one, minor, nitpicky crit, and this isn't even important, because we all know what you mean.

Speaking of built - that is a funny English word, but normally, "built" is used in the past-tense, as in (I built a walker, or I built a house). "Build" is used in two different ways, first as a verb, "To form by combining materials or parts; construct" (I am going to build a walker).

You are using "built" as a noun when referring to your construction "This built is made of junk" when technically, you should be using "build" as a noun (This build is made of junk or I am going to add more parts to this build)

Very very minor like I said, but your English is 9000% better than my German ( I only know a few swear words my grandfather used )

Why, hello, picture update!

Great work so far, Vik. Especially given the particularly thrifty construction materials. I am quite impressed by the scale (btw, thanks for the guardsman for reference ).

Two bits of CC, though both are along the same lines. First, I would be careful not to get the main body too far forward. If the (apparent) center of gravity is in front of the feet, it will look very strange. Search through the gallery for sentinels. I'm sure you can find some pictures of what I mean. Second, she looks a bit too narrow in the hips to me. I know your concept art had a lot of skinny, tall machines, so maybe that was what you're going for. Just my $0.02.

Keep up the great work!
Rawson

OOH nice stuuf vik btw what rules are you using for it?

That's a good bit of scratch build there Vic! I like where this is going! When you are closer to having the general shape to being done, then you should go back and flesh it out like Dave mentioned. I would build up the legs a bit, maybe with sprue or something to make them look like they can support the weight, and sprockets and cogs and pistons and such.

Looking good!

ok...what is the difference between cogs and sprockets ? this is an earnest question...

also...thanks dave... actually i never was sure of that build/built issue myself...also your explanaition was totally good for me to follow...so i am rather thankful for the nudge in the right direction...
also i think your idea to flesh out later the legs is a good way to do it...

at rawson... i tried to give it a bit of a dynamic pose...this might have been a bit too much...i also was thinking of getting that one leg raised in the air...like it would be about to step over an obstacle...the real posing by the way happens when i fugure out how to make the toes...

at jake...i was a bit worried of the size of the legs...on the one hand they look for my taste too long...then they are a bit on the weedy side too... that combined with the much bigger and thicker looking cockpit...makes me wonder if i should redo from scratch those legs... the general idea may be in the good direction but the current build is not sufficiently looking like it would be capable of actuall walking....

at hazzer... well rules...probably none right now...as i am not really a player at all....

Vik, if you don't know The Kamloopian, and you have a bunch of time to waste, you MUST to check out his steampunk and other stuff. Lota vids he has, but he is my favorite Canadian

Just remember that this is the 'skeleton' of the legs, so to speak. That amount of forged steel would be plenty to support even a larger cockpit, so that's fine. Once you get the pistons and some armour on them, they'll look brilliant.

Viktor von Domm wrote:ok...what is the difference between cogs and sprockets ? this is an earnest question...

I have no idea really, I think they mean pretty much the same thing. But it's like saying "Bits and pieces", they pretty much mean the same thing, but they go together.

I believe the cogs are the wheels and the sprockets are the teeth. but they are pretty much synonymous.

lol...thanks jake^^

at anvil...thanks for your support! literally^^ being unsure of certain things you have done can be so easy^^

at dave...watching ...watching...^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:ok...what is the difference between cogs and sprockets ? this is an earnest question...

A sprocket is typically a toothed wheel (not a gear) that turns (or is turned by) a chain.
A cogwheel is a type of gear whose cogs (teeth) are constructed seperately from the rest of the wheel and attached or inserted later.

oh...i see...i think i have seen someone doing wooden cogwheels recently on tv...some guy doing some da vinci builds redone with new tools...was quite interesting... so i now see the difference... thanks rawson

This is a sprocket:

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Viktor von Domm wrote:oh...i see...i think i have seen someone doing wooden cogwheels recently on tv...some guy doing some da vinci builds redone with new tools...was quite interesting... so i now see the difference... thanks rawson

I am your humble servant :bow:

at monkey...*shakes head*...

at rawson... don´t let me detain you any further...

Cogs are manufactured at Cogswell Cogs, Sprockets are manufactured at Spaceley Sprockets. Duh...EVERYONE knows that!

well... me= dumb european...


any questions? duh...

It's from an old cartoon, The Jetsons

the last pose looks like that fat yellow guy...who always eats donouts...and we did get the jetsons and the flintstones here too ...

despite my last comment we are not behind the moon...^^

I like the layout so far and I would not worry about the bulking till you achieve the desired look, as for the balance factor that depends on the cockpit positioning and the power supply as I am sure Vik has some design to this build and layout.

I like the thin look it has that steam-punk feel to it built for a purpose but only what is needed, I think this is turning into an interesting build and looking forward to the next update hopefully with more pictures …...

Can't wait to see the things attached to that body!

@Monkeytroll - Brilliant! Been way too long since I saw Sprocket ole boy. ^^ Fraggels woo!

freegles...yep that was a looooong time ago...
i liked those lil fellas that built all these big buildings which got eaten by the freegles...

at shaso... not gonna happen to soonish as i have thought and rethought hard about the current build of the legs...rawsons insights i think gave a much needed nudge...which brought me to a sudden try which resulted in a broken build...so now on the bright side i can restart anew

no problem there as i always treat my builds like they are just a prototypes...even the first big red tank might have been torn asunder in the very last stages...i am that way...
so now i redesign the legssection and maybe even the cockpit too...general design ideas are still valid but i might change the productions way...i think i start anew with the legs and then see how and with what i will create the cockpit section...

tomorrow is still planned for hobby shopping ...mabye alone or with the whole family...depends on the plans of our family... but after this then the work will truly start...

hope i havent shocked you too much...

vik

gogo Vik! Don't fret too much though, I don't want to see you frustrated to the point where you don't want to do it anymore. That is no fun, and we won't get pics

Exactly! Don't loose your interest in it! I still have things on my to-do list that I got fed up with. Don't be a Jake!

lol...thanks for the understanding mates^^

well tomorrow i will go to the aforementioned shop with a fist full of money...and try to compose myself^^
we will see how good that will work out... i defninatly will be looking for some special shaped rods of PC...maybe i-beams and such things... i need a shape to build the legs from...also i am totally open to how i could make toes for that walker...any suggestions?

Looking forwad to it! I would go warlord stuyle with the 8 toes! Hmm..chaos taint got into that somewhere!

I would just make them approximately like either the AT-ST with razor-wire cutters, or liek the sentinel. Nothing fancy

Don't want him deflecting las-shots only to trip and fall

actually i really cant stand the toes of the AT-ST...





the good thing with the sentinel parts is that i have them here for reference...so i could build them acordingly to some extent...

tho i probably will settle for something like the old RT sentinel legs toes...

Viktor von Domm wrote:also i am totally open to how i could make toes for that walker...any suggestions?

I'm invisioning mechanical frog feet: A little spindley close to the ankle, but with big, circular ends to the toes. I think 2 toes forwards and 2 backwards. Yep.

sounds cool...also i think the frog idea would swing pretty well how i envision the whole steampunk theme of a frog...see it always pays off to ask open questions... if you would care to have a little picture referrence... that might be even further helpful!

OMG, that's the gawd-awful AMT AT-ST kit! I have one of those, couldn't bring myself to finish it. That kit is a horrible waste of plastic IMHO.

I always liked the feet of the ATST, would love to see you do a version of them.

Just be careful of teddy bears.......

i had toyed around with the idea to get me that kit... good of you to warn me about it^^

also it shows the ugly toes of this walker quite good...it just looks as if it is not able to stomp...just like it is about to cut your toenails and ask about your recent holidays...


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hmmm perkustin... the feet of the ATAT are much more to my liking...:

Viktor von Domm wrote:sounds cool...also i think the frog idea would swing pretty well how i envision the whole steampunk theme of a frog...see it always pays off to ask open questions... if you would care to have a little picture referrence... that might be even further helpful!

Rough sketch, but something like this:

What do you think?

i think a bit of thickening the joints ... what does the underside of said footprints of the toes would look like?

the general design looks mighty appealing to me...

I like that sketch Rawson! Looks very stable!

the three toe version always has something of a potentially fall over situation for me...four is the best option anyways...

how about a thumb tag?


just cut in half and you have two toe's

interresting idea...and the connecting section? to form the foot?

Well, I am very disappointed Vik actually all this push for me to start a blog and you with yours abandoned to go shopping it's a bloody disgrace, where is the commitment the pain nothing………… come on really is this the best you can do






I am terribly sorry how unfair of me have a well deserved day out mate

And the little guys that build stuff that the frags eat are called dozzers

oh yes, dozzers...makes sense... tho i dunno how they were used to called here... probably the same...

well you have to ask yerself... what is the initial benefit of the hobbyspopping? well if i have the stock i need the build will grow faster...

and like someone has said long ago... you can´t please everybody...^^

so...you strated your own thread yet?

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Ah, Vik has the Frogmania

Vik will dig right into building them a soon as he gets home from shopping too!

Dave, how can you say that's an awful kit?

There's two lovely grot hover vehicles to be made from the feet, an armoured tunnel/sewer entrance from the hull, couple of bulkheads from the waist and engine nacelles from the thighs. Granted, the only decent use for the spiky gubbins on the side is as an epic scale ork multi-launcher, but you can't have everything can you?


Vik, three circles from the hole-punch make nice round feet/toes. Three different sizes, largest at the bottom, then smallest, then medium on top.

HAHA! THAT is a much better use than trying to make an AT-ST out of it LOL

I tried.

Qwak

Viktor von Domm wrote:i think a bit of thickening the joints ... what does the underside of said footprints of the toes would look like?

the general design looks mighty appealing to me...

Thicken away! I didn't have anything too creative for the underside thought out. I'd say don't even worry about it, but I think you said you wanted a foot in mid step, so... Basic V-tread?

Anvildude wrote:Qwak

Uh...whut?

So! the shopping is over...paid a handsomly fee to get this suply drop done:



got me a micro saw blade...i think i can stuck it somewhere and make it working...this saved me about 4€s...^^



and these will make quite nice scaled amocrates...i hope...



the PC sheet is very thin...dunno how thin actually...the lady at the counter was also a bit confused^^ too many rods and she knew zip about each of them...after a while of hussle to get the prices into the system she even gave me one rod for free...she was really upset about the long wait for me at the counter^^
also here are the rods i got:



i think there is some use in them^^ all rods save the evergreen ones are 100mm long...i think the length combined of the evergreen ones are too 100mm...


at rawson...if you are up to it i i would like you to make a sketch^^ that really helps my imagination^^

same goes for monkeytroll... your suggestion sounds interresting...but is that supposed to be done asa sandwich or how?
and a very interresting list if uses for the chicken^^

at dave... that walker is rather tall compared to the mini on your desk...also it looks as if you achieved the main task with that kit...well i think there might be the case of satisfaction but that can be garanteed^^

at shaso, frogmania? lol

Plastic rods are always fun when the sales assistant doesn't know which is which

Nice little supply drop there vik, have fun with it.


And, yes sandwich the discs :



Not a sketch, but you should get the idea You'll probably want them a little thicker and/or wider, depending on the size of the foot.

for the current walker project i think this look is not what i have in mind...tho with the addition now that thicker materials and probably wider discs...hmm... but later on...dunno maybe two years a robot army will rise... i plan to make some robots for my youngest boy...he after all needs an army of his own too^^ and there might come this methode quite handy... i have some hazzy robot pictures of older times in my mind that this look could be just what the doc ordered^^

Nice supply Drop Vik! You have no idea the amount of work I put into that kit, filling, sanding, replacing parts with styrene, adding wires and hoses to the bottom, sanding some more, and it still doesn't look anything near ILM's studio model (which I was looking at pics and working towards). I got to this point, primed, only to realize the proportions of the kit were completely off. I was taking a scale-modeler's approach to it, and still haven't found a Chewbacca the right scale to put sticking out of the top hatch.

oh... well as i said i had looked at several ebayauctions... i guess your review of that kit sure kept me from hitting on that...

somehow the scale of that legs compared to the cockpit just doens´t fit the original... it is a 1:48 kit? hmmm...i have no idea if a chewie in that sclae could exist...but then again i think chewie would be easy to sculpt by yourself...even if you don´t like sculpting as i still remember^^ just a lump with arms and then create the texture... furballs should be fearly easy to do^^

Big score from the hobby store! New raw materials are always exciting (I find myself having the urge to go out and buy more stuff, even though I have loads on my to do list )

Viktor von Domm wrote:if you are up to it i i would like you to make a sketch^^ that really helps my imagination^^

I was thinking something like this:

Where the grey would be recessed and the white would actually be flush against the ground. However, it seems like a lot of work for something that will be flush against the ground...

You would almost have to carve that out of solid plastic. I could see the interior tread being strip-layed on, but the round outer circle.....

Yeah Vik, the legs ARE too long for the kit. Not to mention all the other out-of-scale things. AMT really laid an egg on that kit.

The body is in perfect 28mm scale, but the legs are almost twice as long as they should be compared to the ILM model.

yeah your movie pic shows that quite good...such a shame...maybe one day you feel like scratchbuilding the legs...heck if someone is so crazy to make those legs there is little use not to make a fully scratchbuilt AT ST...

beside...

during my long stay in that hobbydepot...i came to see the Rivetmaker of yours...it was from a very good company...and it charged 195€s... hello??? ok lots of screws to secure all and everything but please? also it had a ruler for 45° angled cuts as well... i see this is something worth having but not at this price...

at rawson... looks very good... tho this makes me wonder if i skip the disc shape and replace it with a more pentagon shape i might be able to make it a tad easier on me^^ but that design reminds me a lot of my old soldierboots... loved that "V" profile... seems the V was following me even then^^

WOW! - No I paid $20 for mine Mine has two little plastic fences, they work great for angles.

Viktor von Domm wrote:looks very good... tho this makes me wonder if i skip the disc shape and replace it with a more pentagon shape i might be able to make it a tad easier on me^^ but that design reminds me a lot of my old soldierboots... loved that "V" profile... seems the V was following me even then^^

Since when have you been making decisions based on easy? I prefer the circle to the pentagon, but, then again, I'm not the one that has to cut a bunch of them out of plasticard

Vik what can I say successful day there and freebies always makes the day worth while now you have the materials get to the task at hand work work work it's only because I am intrigued by this steam-punk walker, I even asked one of the maintenance guys at work about steam power "he's a bit of a steam engine enthusiast".

Well, an hour later while trying to do my job and listen to him I was more baffled than when we started but he recommended some books if I can find the list on workings that might help.

If I find the list and you want to know let me know

Monkeytroll@ like the idea for the AT-ST feet grot hover rides might find that kit just for them ..

Dave the scale is way off on that model compared to the movie version bad replication…… cut it up and do what monkeytroll said ……. I will have the feet lol….


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Vik I guess you think I should start my own thread then

If I send you the feet, will you start a blog? lol

i dont think there is anyone else on dakka who can talk more than the people on this thread, when i get a day or two behind, its soo hard to catch up! But that looks like a nice supply drop there vik! and lone dirty dog, START YOUR BLOG!!!!!

Then you should be reading/posting more Rogue

Yes Rogue more posting and reading everything else in life can wait lol ……. it's all Dave and Vik's fault I was only browsing and now look I cant get of this dam computer they are very committed or they just need to be committed one or the other.



They say it is a fine line between genius and insanity and these two are walking that line ………

As for starting my own thread ermmmmmmmmmm …….. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAH AHHA HA HA HA

lone dirty dog wrote:They say it is a fine line between genius and insanity and these two are walking that line

I for one ain't a straight line walker. me i am skipping through the fields of insanity and it's mighty fine i invite you all to the funnier side of brilliancy

at RW:

ok... just for the record here... if this blog would be unanounced stay without me for more than a fortnight...then i would probably be dead by then...captured by aliens or off to the legion etrangere...something on the line like these...^^

as for the work...well i have tried out the new saw...works like a charm...my wife didn´t yell at me for the hefty fee i paid for all that white goodieness...and i built a new concept for the legs...pics i haven´t done yet... i hope i can do some work on the new arrived stuff tomorrow and provide you with the mucho needed pics ^^

but i do feel now way more satisfied with the overall concept...

hmmm


at LDD...be sure to drop a line to invite us all to your thread.... the last few days i have eagerly checked the ...my friends thread list but yours never came up... start it...

oh and the books...if there is the possibility of these books ever published in german i would be interested...if only in english...i highly doubt i could understand tech gibberish^^...

also it seems the carcass of the chicken is now about to be served on a dinner...lol...

as for the cuttingtool...

here is the link...http://www.modulor.de/shop/oxid.php/sid/1c21658b5734bc5317d35d5a5e14694d/cl/details/cnid/TS_LCN/anid/LCNA

that company is top notch for hobby needs tho... so in a way the money might not be ruined if someone would actually be willing to chuck that much money out for making some cuts...

at rawson...making decisions the easy way...well mostly none whatsoever^^ but well sometimes it is nice to treat one self as a friend^^

This is one scary place well if you cant beat them hit them with a larger stick ………..

fatty wrote:

lone dirty dog wrote:They say it is a fine line between genius and insanity and these two are walking that line

I for one ain't a straight line walker. me i am skipping through the fields of insanity and it's mighty fine i invite you all to the funnier side of brilliancy

me too fatty... i see it as follows... life is a minefield...

Viktor von Domm wrote:at RW:




oh and the books...if there is the possibility of these books ever published in german i would be interested...if only in english...i highly doubt i could understand tech gibberish^^...

I speak English and it was still double Dutch to me But will try and fined that list when back at work or look for Mucky Mick the maintenance Guy (don't ask ) maintenance are like cave trolls only leave their cave to eat

great song. normally i don't care for electronic music but i make an exception for The Prodigy

wasn´t there that yucky bit to get rid of the eating stuff too to get outside???

and well...looking forward...the bokks dude, the books...^^ and of course your long, looong over due thread!


aye fatty... the prodigy is just cool... normally i am all for rock...but they have a way to get me moving too...somehow i get then all ithy and need relieve^^

The prodigy are just amazing and yes I have seen them several times and even spoke to Keith Flint at a club many years ago but he was a really down to earth guy and good laugh ……. To be honest I did not even realise who he was at first just thought he was some one my mate new ….. It was not till they got onto the conversation of music I worked it out

lol....well that happens...if peeps meet outside of context...^^

Yes, but I had followed them since I was at school and then hey presto talking to the vocalist and did not have a clue how much of a dumb arse did I feel …. the girl I was with said you could of introduced me to him I was like it would have been pointless as Idid not even know who he was for half the bloody conversation lol……………..

As for them going out of their cave for the yucky stuff…………. I think that might be another reason they call him Mucky Mick ……….

ouch.... well what can i say... on both acounts...by the way...if i was you i wouldn´t have inroduced my girl to him too...even IF i hadn´t recognized him...who is to say what could have foloowed after that.... after all...musicians and girls mix all to well...

sounds like the time i was in a coffeshop with the pyrotechnics of Ramstein. only to realise a couple hours later that the pyrotechnics of ramstein is the lead singer.

lol...seems something like that happens a lot???

fatty nice I hope you felt as bad as I did then lol ………

Vik have you seen Flint he still looks as crazy in real life after all he is a twisted fire starter ……. and the girl I was with we were not going out at that time that happened later
, maybe it would have been better if I had introduced them after all they would have got on like a house on fire and she was twisted a real bloody nutter in fact ………

i felt something totally different. mind you the coffeeshop's in Holland don't serve coffee. that was in my young stupid days some 4 years ago

yup, ´ve heard of the coffe in holland^^, `s famous for having no coffein in it^^

That's not entirely true. we have tea and coffee with the green flavor.

and seeds too...some of my classmates used to travel for suply of these smokable stuff to your cities...is it still that much interesting? i doubt that...somehow the whole issue is out of fashion methinks...

Coffee house with no coffee I wonder what is the attraction then. we all have had bad misspent youths but you have to grow up some day I guess

Vik go to bed its late and you need your sleep you have work to do

I want Holland coffee!

Well Vik it's still an issue. they want to disband these drug tourist cannabis pass. where they moniter what you smoke how much you smoke and you can only buy your stuff in one store.

It's something we should all fear even if you dont smoke or have smoked. because GW can copy past this concept do disband cheap online stores

hey vik, i have no problem with ecsesive talking as i am a big player in that too (my tread is just me you and dave talking it up witn no updates) its just that its hard to catch up when im gone!

fatty wrote:Well Vik it's still an issue. they want to disband these drug tourist cannabis pass. where they moniter what you smoke how much you smoke and you can only buy your stuff in one store.

It's something we should all fear even if you dont smoke or have smoked. because GW can copy past this concept do disband cheap online stores

Don't give them any more ideas

hello ladies and gentlemen...


we, form the producers of the empire great tank of the name excalibur and the the infamous still unfinished airship (yet to be named) prodly present you the next step (pun intended) of todays steampowered new scouting warfare mechanism...

behold...the walking tank...in the making...:


comparission with a sentinel leg...i know...tends alwas to get to build itself a bit bigger than intended... i should try to treat such a thing as i treated the gunmaking...but somehow i am more built for bigger things it seems^^



and then...the new and for now better looking cockpitsection...well for now^^









hope you like???

more to come tomorrow...

things have gotten in the way once more, but good work as usual.
Not much to go on ATM, but I trust many rivets and such will go on. Until then, looks good!
what were you planning to have on the cylindrical joint ends? A similar thing to what's on the sentinel's joints? (rivets on/in a circle)

well the joints will be sealed...how... i don´t really know...if all else fails i will seal it with miliput or gs... then add rivets... i try as much as possible to stay true to the sentinel look with the leg... hopefully scale will not ruin my plans...and you bet there will be rivets^^

Good start so far but will tell more from the detailing and the new cockpit is looking much better seems to be steaming away ……….

Interesting stuff, like the new cockpit.

Have you decided on feet yet?

at LDD...yep steaming...^^ and thanks^^

at monkey...well feet ...for one i need to fix the last joint on the way to the feet... as i have no suitable ball for this i am kinda stuck...

Badass Vik! See, I knew you'd blast off with styrene!

well... today i worked quite a bit more... we had a guy here that looked after the sealing of our windows...always not really airtight... so with no other options to do than sit around i went and worked on the legs some more... i will show you pics in the night times...currently it isn´t really presentable... also did some major works on the cockpit and began to make a boiler like aperature...stay tuned for more updates...

oh and you really kicked me into gear dave^^ i knew that would happen someday...but now i learn quite a lesson with PC...and there is still so much to be learned...seeing your recent machine...quite a bit^^

Sorry if I missed this already, but: did you scrap the other legs and cockpit section?

What you have so far looks good, starting to take shape. Do you sketch out what you dream it will look like at the beginning? Having a reference drawing would seem useful when talking about proportions and whatnot.

My only bit of CC: you have built two legs that are basically the same. Unless I'm not seeing something, that will produce a very static position with your walking tank.

Keep up the good work!
Rawson

ach...always the finger on the hurting spot...i realized today too that this will give a most static pose...also the red tube i used...it is from an old felt pen...doesn´t take all too well the glue...plastic is not just plastic...rather unamusing...
i created today eight toes...it was a work of some hours worth... if this instalment doesnt work i have to use the bits i created and restart all over... but i guess whatever it takes to get it done right^^

also...i don´t do sketches...as much as i would love to show it to you guys...but hoenstly... i build as i go along....any sketch would have the same usefulness as a chocolate kettle...

Viktor von Domm wrote:ach...always the finger on the hurting spot...i realized today too that this will give a most static pose...also the red tube i used...it is from an old felt pen...doesn´t take all too well the glue...plastic is not just plastic...rather unamusing...
i created today eight toes...it was a work of some hours worth... if this instalment doesnt work i have to use the bits i created and restart all over... but i guess whatever it takes to get it done right^^

also...i don´t do sketches...as much as i would love to show it to you guys...but hoenstly... i build as i go along....any sketch would have the same usefulness as a chocolate kettle...

Perhaps it is luck that your non-so-dynamic leg bits are falling apart, then? Look for the silver lining

I'm looking forward to seeing those toes! (<--- what a weird sentence)

Viktor von Domm wrote:the same usefulness as a chocolate kettle...

I quite like that saying! Is it a traditional German one or a Vik original?

Hey Vik, it won't be too hard to re-manipulate those legs, just carefully slice around the cylinder pieces. If you have trouble gluing the pen tube, try scuffing the surface with a file or sandpaper- leave the sanding dust, when you cover the dust with glue, it will work like concrete. And feel free to use super glue/CA first to set the position, then cover with plastic glue. I do that all the time.

i always try to get rid of the sawdust before glueing...now i feel dumb^^

at rawson...that saying is from my favorite author...terry pratchett... from which book i cant say atm...


as for toes...well here goes...pinkies^^








and the cockpit with some steely cages in the making...






well the pose will stay atm so undynamic as it apears now...the further work will determine if i should do something about that...

Awesome Vik! Really cool, I'd keep the legs just like they are, it looks like it is guarding the area. Don't feel dumb, it's my natural instinct to brush it away too, I just found that this works where you need to strengthen joints The toes! OMG great Job!

edit..GF just saw your legs and she told me to tell you good job

now that was a most pleasant comment! say your GF many thanks! well that is the true payback for hours of work...tho i have to say i would like to kick myself for not buying this:

http://www.modulor.de/shop/oxid.php/sid/ea7527ae744c44925c27ae65b09f9bf7/cl/details/cnid/AJA/anid/AJAL

could have been quite useful in the legcreating work...i had it in my hands...but then i opted for the other stuff^^

i like the on guard idea...somehow i too had this as a first version in my mind...yes...this will be the first one and he will stand guard or will await further orders^^

Nice work so far, keep it up!
so what's happening with the arms? Are you going sentinel-style weapon mounts (side of cockpit), or making arms and having shoulder/wrist/fist weapons?

i am atm not sure...the leg aperature as is looks a bit like a madcat:



which kind of for me screams for arms...but then i would even further go away from the sentinel look...hmmm

Aye, most 40k walkers have very little in the way of arms (it seems only the bigger ones do- titans, dreadknights, etc.)

so does this mean you vote against arms or rather for...to balance the arms issue^^?

I don't have any idea either, though at a small scale I'd lean towards no arms, or at least small ones (no elbow joints)

yep...that is a good idea...besides since i pobably will built the weapons on my own it will look wrong with arms...this is no mech but a walker...and a walker has no arms...turrets now is another issue all in itself^^

hmm those legs look nice so far vik, i am intersted in what is going to look like

Nice work Vik coming on nicely, the legs looking good and the feet spot on toes are a great job. I like the static pose walkers always look a bit unbalanced when posed walking you could do this one as the command walker looking across his unit.

I am amazed how much you have put into this so far, but I am having a hard time working out the cockpit fitting is there a chance of a picture with a mock up of it so far just to get the idea of how it will fit together

I would go for no arms my self as it would look strange plus you have to add all the piping and gears yet for the steam power set up yet ………thinking about it you could put one arm on as a loader type mechanism possibly

I have heard the saying as much use as a chocolate fire guard before but not kettle ……. My favourite saying is about as much use as a lighthouse in the desert great idea but no use whatsoever ……. or the inflatable dartboard ……

This was done by a buddy of mine for an Adeptus Mechanicus IG/Grey Knight army, who kitbashed a dread knight and a Sentinel kit together.

at RW...me too bro... me too^^ as i build along i have slim to none idea as to how this all will develop...

at LDD...from guarding to even command...hell that is too a great idea^^ also i too have that issue with uneasy balanced walkers... some look highly akward that way...but then again it is for that issue that we have actualy in no army any functioning walker tech atm...it is just not a concept for the real world...sadly...

sorry i have to say i couldn´t do the mockup today... i had at first a handyman at home...he completed the windowsealing business of his...then i jumped out of the house to get to my apointment at the school...still not made a contract but it seems highly prolly that it will happen soonish...so crossing fingers is still a good option^^...and to make it complete...i had in the evening a meeting of parents for our kids kindergarten...a meeting of repersentatives of every group...about eating habbits... can anyone spell the word "boooooooooooooring"?


but...in lack of a real update...i can only describe what i could sqeeze into the schedule at some time... did some work on the much needed base of the walky...tried myself in some self made cobblestone carving in PC...boy is that tideous...a 60mm base and now i need cobbles suitable for a 28 mm scale...hell what a work...and the look isn´t even areeing with me atm... making random pattern is just awful...^^ maybe i GS all over and then make a more:

then the current try:




at hmelrose... if i had the funds i porobably would have used some parts of the dreadknight myself...there is some good use in that kit...also even ifi don´t use it i rather like the sentinel kit too...

Individual stones are the only thing you will be happy with..and you know it

So, having settled that, I happen to have a few recommendations Vik!

let me take photos of photos and i'll post it here.

But basically, the key to getting a random pattern for stones, is by laying each stone,(one here, one on the other side of the base, repeat 1 at a time) then squaring each stone up with a flat tool, just like a mason does it with his trowel. he squaring up on your base would be making them all flat on top, level with each other.

This is a chimney on a cottage, but I know you'll like the look the DAS Modeling putty gives.

so in other words you suggest i make individual stones and make the pattern my ranomly adding the stones to the base...

the first question is : are you friend or foe? lol...that will take me ages...and guess what... i made one square base of 35x35mm already by myself this way...lol...that alone was a lifetime^^ now scale that up for the big base^^


now the more realistic question...what mediom of stonemaking should i use...PC, i have also FIMO, GS miliput...or something i am not thinking about right now? i ruled actual stones out atm as i dont want to use super glue atm...don´t feel comfortable right nowwith this stuff...as i think that walker should have a good bonding with the base...and thus i would rather prefer PC to make the cobbles out of...

your futher thoughts?... by the way... thanks for the helpful pics... that chimney...cool stuff! also noce tiles on that roof...terrain making... one of the more awarding things in the hobby if you are just a mediocre painter...

so why haven´t i started with something like that^^

Well, just make the cobbles..bigger! about the siame size as those chimney stones??
Fimo needs baked right?
THen roll it out like thin cookie dough, then carve random brick patterns like the chimney stones into the thin clay. It is easier than it looks, its just like carving brick into foamcore. Carve up a sheet bigger than your base, bake, then trim it down to the base size, the extra bits will always be useful.


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These are some of my very first terrain peices, from about 10 years ago. Some are worse off than others now but this was my beginner stuff.


It's not hard, it is just a lot of repetative stuff all culminating in something that ends up worth the repetative effort, I promise

will the fimo work with plastic glue? atm i dont want to make do with this glue... not when i have so great succes with plastic glue... for the boiler i ven worked the thicker PC around a round structure and it glued like a charm...


i think i will make slightly bigger cobbles...i think 5x6-7 mm and then create that described pattern...i just need to make rough edges... it will be tedious work but afterwards it will look pretty damn cool^^


and yep... fimo needs to be baked...afterwards it is rather brittle...but my fimow will see action soon... i will make pressmoulds with it and see if this might work out....


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at your added comment...lovley pices of your craftmanship!!!

always nice to see them, and yep totally worth the effort when seein all together like this...!

use PVA, Elmers, yellow construction glue, superglue. whatever, who cares- its just glue man, glue it and move on. Don't get tied up in procedures, it will drain you and cause burnout, and zero production. Let your imagination go, if you make a mistake, you can alwas fix it

if you make a mistake, you can alwas fix it

yep... i can go with that...

hmmm... i will sleep over that issue and will then show my progress i think...but many thanks mate for your support... much appreciated!

You're sure you don't want to just buy some? I have plenty in stock, and now that I've seen the look you're going for, I can easily make some to specifications...

There is another option get some putty playmo plasticine get some small stones press them into the plasticine or whatever you are using to make a random pattern and then get some plaster mix it up pour into the mould hey presto …... cut to shape

Good luck with the job

thanks LDD...and yeah that would be an option too...i could pour PVA into the plaster mix too to mkae it sturdier...


at anvil... yeah... that is right too... but for now it is not the option i can choose...i think my wife would go spare if i´d start buying bases... beside it is some perverted idea of mine to get this issue solved by me... later on i think this will not be so important to me...besides...when the infantry will be based anew...i then have to come to terms with a good and repetitive solution...by the way... those patterns i only recently found...with the aid of the trys i did already by myself...my go with the flow somehow fixed these looks...

Well if you're certain...

What I'd suggest is the GS. Make little pillows of it, and use those as the cobbles.

ha dave those look like my first fantasy terrain many a year ago! maybie if i can get a mountains worth of plasticard i could build terrain possibly close to (under not over) your skill

lone dirty dog wrote:There is another option get some putty playmo plasticine get some small stones press them into the plasticine or whatever you are using to make a random pattern and then get some plaster mix it up pour into the mould hey presto …... cut to shape

Good luck with the job

I was going to suggest a similar option. You've made a cobblestone template, just use that as a template and get some air drying clay and a rolling pin. Thin out the clay and then lay it flat on your template, use the rolling pin and roll to shape, let it dry and peel off, then for basing, cut it to shape.

I think I have a tutorial around here somewhere..

Awesome cobblestones and sentinel work Vik! having seen how glas panes can be done, the question is now, green based glass? or blue based? Those Viktorians loved cobalt glass objects

Just saying this, but I saw 30 25mm bases on ebay for about £10 (P&P included) with a cobblestone effect, so if you want to do the cobble effect for your infrantry...

here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25mm-Resin-Bases-30-Round-Dungeon-Stone-Warhammer-40k-/290419388120?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D260915183692%252B260915183692%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5691311907597450850

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25mm-Resin-Bases-30-Round-Cobblestone-Warhammer-40k-/300412213106?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item45f1f69772

Just found the site it's from:
http://www.back2base-ix.com/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=3

Wow page 145! You make me feel really guilty!

You realize that's actually more expensive than my own, right? Pounds Sterling are worth more than Dollars. Granted, they appear to be high quality, but still- that's near 2 dollars for each base at that price.

well as i said...currently i can only work with whats available already at my household...well sometimes a lil suplydrop but nothing big... and anvil i think you are right, the british bases are totally out of question atm... also i used your methode for GS with the FIMO...

but speaking of bases... i tried with the stock of fimo my own cobblestone work... did an infantry base and a big one...each with different sized cobblestones... i sense this is flawed and i might make a fittingbase with leftover bricks from the big base to match all...

here are the pics of my attempts...:


these are really tiny...
and on base:


that whole prozess has quite a rivetzen aproach...

and the big bricks


on base:


and with the legs only sitting on top...not glued in place jet...


since taking the photos one brick came of and i covered thus the whole base with a liberate amount of PVA to get all the cobbles snuggly on base...

maybe i get around to basecoat the bases and even get a bit of drybrushing done on them...

Very nice disturbed cobblestones!

Yeah very cool Vik! I really like the bigger stones!

Your little round ones would probably look right to you if you left maybe 1mm or less between them, then pour some PVA in the cracks and sprinkle sand like mortar between the stones. And remember, you can always add shading that passes for mortar with dark paint.

I'ts looking good vik! Keep it up man!

I also like the big bricks best! Maybe trim off the corners of the outside ones so that the base is still circular?

Looks good vik!

Vik's sentinel tearing up the local Konig-strasse in mid town! Shopping is disrupted for today!

at rawson... i thought not to cut them... rules wise i am not overly concerned atm...but i know that this might be of need when trying to use them in game...
and thanks... well the tiny cobbles where the first try... i don´t feel particular comfortable with them either... just basic testing...


at hazzer...thanks mate!

at dave... i should probably have done that... and in the biginning i tried to make it more spaced out... but it turned out differently... push came to shoove... and such things... and then i got that crowded outcome...


at shaso...

Very nice disturbed cobblestones!

LOL^^ what can i say... like father like son^^


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shasolenzabi wrote:Vik's sentinel tearing up the local Konig-strasse in mid town! Shopping is disrupted for today!

sounds like a cool moviescene^^

at shrike...thanks man^^

sounds like a cool moviescene^^

That's due to my vivid imagination!

by the way mate...how come you are so awake now?

Viktor von Domm wrote:by the way mate...how come you are so awake now?

Lots of sleep yesterday and a nap earlier. got work so now will be wide awake for it in a couple of hours!


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Oh yeah, Necrons sank to page 2

... now i just take a look at yon crons... nearly forgot about them^^

LOL!

quick updaty...

brush primed them with black, then some drybrush of space wolve grey...which i dind´t like...then some leve flesh and then some heavy wash with devlan mud and badab black still wet...

both bases are mighty wet in the pics...tomorrow i can make some daytime pics with these...



different angle


and the small one


which is pretty obvious now that it didn´t turn out too well...but i make a smaller base with the bigger stones tomorrow too...

It will give them that walked all over by folks look

Viktor von Domm wrote: i thought not to cut them... rules wise i am not overly concerned atm...but i know that this might be of need when trying to use them in game...
and thanks... well the tiny cobbles where the first try... i don´t feel particular comfortable with them either... just basic testing...

I didn't mean rules wise, I just thought it would look better. I think the perfect circle look makes it easier to believe that they're part of a bigger world around them (as much as small, plastic space men can be )

hmmm....that is a nice thought rawson...hmmm...*pouts* will try something for that idea tomorrow as well...could very well ruin all...as the PVA and fimo mix is not all that well holding to the base...but well we do have to experiment...now don´t we?^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:hmmm....that is a nice thought rawson...hmmm...*pouts* will try something for that idea tomorrow as well...could very well ruin all...as the PVA and fimo mix is not all that well holding to the base...but well we do have to experiment...now don´t we?^^

Do keep in mind that broken minis do not contribute to the willing suspension of disbelief

well...in the 40th millenia...there is no rest for a broken warrior...they can always be transformed into a servitor...

i really like the big base. the little on seems less then the big base

well i fix that tomorrow...then the bases will look more in line...

but thanks mate...

See! I knew you'd kick ass at it Vik! Great job man!

*big grin* thanks mate... i hope i can deliver more soon...

also i just needed the base to be done so to better work on the chassis of the walker...i need a stable base to have the model rest upon...

this however makes me wonder how to glue/attach the feet on to the base? for pinning there is little possibilities...and i would think there is no chance on where i could do this...

any ideas?

sure you can! You have a cordless or electric drill i'd bet, put a hole through a crack in the stones big enough for a paperclip- little CA- instant pin


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If the FIMO can be sanded, it can be drilled, albeit maybe at a very slow speed.

i wasn´t concerned with the fimo...that is pretty much the same density as resin...that woudl work quite well...but if you look at the toes and feet...i think there is the difficulty right there... not enough "flesh" for any pin to hold on to...



there foot has a structure that it is standing literally on air and its toes...so the leg is not in the same way as the sentinel down on the ground... i will makie later on some better pics of the feet if needed to show this what troubles me...

The pin doesn't need to go into the styrene very far at all, it will hold when glued with CA...but i'd drill the styrene with a pin vice if I were you, the friction from the speed of the cordless drill melts the styrene and leaves these little shredded styrene dingleberries that are a pain. It will hold better than glue alone.

hmm... ok...so then i think at least one pin on each foot...if i am feeling expetimental i could make a tird one and get even more stablity...as the cobbles are pretty uneven i can get probably away with a lot of fuzzy work...^^
and tho i don´t own a pinvice i will use my old very small screwdriver as a handheld drill...my cordless drill by the way i can switch to a very low mode...i will test that on an unused piece... to make sure no harm comes to the toes...

by the way... what do you mean by "dingleberries "...you have so many funny new words up your sleeve^^

Really like the cobblestone bases, awesome stuff.

thank you sir!^^

LOL http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dingleberry

OMG...read the third description...the first slang meaning... ROFL...that there is actually a word for such stuff...what a colorful world we live in^^

and this isn´t on screen with the filter if you´ve noticed^^

Haha, that's going right into my vocabulary for everyday conversation!

Also seems like Dstein is doing you good, Vik. Seems to me you're making a leap in productivity and quality and I think it's at least partly thanks to his constant counsel and buttkicking. Way to go!

yep...there is at least a grain of truth in your thoughts...^^

also he did indeed "kick" start this endeavor by suplying me with enough plastic crack to get me on the path of seeking my own stuff now and get this thing started for real...

Looking good so far (the bases) but was hoping for an update on the walker

i really like the look of the large cobble

Vik coaches me with buttkicks enough, I'm just repaying the favor

lol...yeah a buttkick one a while makes a healthy hobby enviroment...

"yes drill sargent...i do my twenty now..."

"whut???"

"HUHAA"

If someone wants to butt kick me. check out my blog (link is in my sig)

But Vik is right some pressure never hurt anyone

Viktor von Domm wrote:"HUHAA"

Did you mean HUA? It stands for "heard understood acknowledged", not "heard understood heard acknowledged acknolegded". Bad marine!

meant that...but see... our minds work also with bad wordings and get the meaning nevertheless...thats why i get away with my lazy spelling most of the time...well if some smart...*cough* man brings up my shame...then i have to "regroup"...


sorry guys... no updates today...did the smaller base... turned out quite good... i even used some sand for the cracks inbetween the stones...then primed it black...i am atm just too lazy to paint it and take a pic...more of that show tomorrow...

then i tried to pin the legs...worked quite good and also i drilled the big base... no probs there... but i didn´t have the nerve to glue it in place...that will have to wait i guess for tomorrow as well...

Why don't you glue it now, then by tomorrow it'll be set? Your delays at the manufactorum are costing LIVES out on the front line Vik!

ROFL... that is oh so true...and actually you do have a point there...i could even use like...patex? hmmm...

Use the super glue Vik!
(read that in Obi-Wan's voice)

LOL...

yes master...


and now i hop off to bed...but before that i use the glue^^

here is my point, when ever i come here and read you and daves posts, i dont have anything to say back. im just here shaking my head and chuckling to myself....

Tell him to quit being afraid of glue!

hmm lets see.. Vik in a scientific experiment that a great man once had.. it said that 100% of people who are scared of glue ended up dieing, now you dont want to be like them do you?

Away for nearly 2 days and all I get is you bantering and you call this a thread


And don't die from not using glue Vik thats path to the dark side you know

LDD, you have no idea of the history of any thread involving Vik.

i used the glue... i used to use glue...i ...can´t make it any further...^^

well i did as promised and glued with super glue the leg part to the base... the good part: after a night of curing it is really secure bonded to the base... then i had to adjust a tiny bit that wasn´t glued on the hips...and broke next to all "bones" off... but then i used that really thin PC and made lil strips of PC and thus secured all broken off bits... this made extra texture so i am still happy with it... then i worked with the broken off hip section...that horizontal tube i used... i then dumbed this whole thing and cut a wider tube and then made a connection part to later on have the upper section connect with the legs...


later on i will show all my work...

also i yet again started a new desgin for a possible cockpit section... i am again not that satisfied with the last instalment of it... this might even turn out to be a 2 men walker...like the AT ST is supposed to be too...

and RW...yep...that last post of yours gave me exactly the same reaction that you feel ... and boy...i would never try to die by NOT using glue... so by doctors orders i will now use glue EVERY freaking day!!!


and at LDD.... so you started your blog already? just catched a new thread to follow...guy name of MAUS... and this fellow just started with his old things he has already done... see and he got me instantly hooked...so no excuses islander! get working!

cheers, vik


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lol shaso!!! you have the knowing!

I have jumped in late to this thread, but the banter is very amusing. This like other LoER blogs is ingraining rivets into my soul, which is beginning to come out in my modelling

the base is looking good man! can't till its finished!

M0rdain wrote:I have jumped in late to this thread, but the banter is very amusing. This like other LoER blogs is ingraining rivets into my soul, which is beginning to come out in my modelling

Good! Then my incessant preaching of the rivet gospel is being effective!

Oh god Viktor. I just skimmed through this 147 pages of rivets, steampunk, Monty Python and mad chatting.

I'm not the biggest fan of rivets or steam punk my self but you sure make it look good.. I will keep an eye out for possible steampunk parts.

I have looked for ages after some different "capes" and you showed them to me in the beginning (from the outrider/pistolier set). Thanks mate.

well mordain...now that is a nice sight in these lands...more followers is always something not to be sneezed at^^ ...after all the first church of riveting is still in search for new members... (yep, it has advanced from a mere league to a quasi religious movement.... after all rivets are not something to take lightly...)

and speaking of rivets... i feel the urge to aply some but i am far from a point where i actually could do so...BUT

i have some pics of my current works...
the cockpit still gives me the creeps as i seem to not circle in on a shape for it... i have now printed out some papercraft patterns for an AT ST and i hopefully can use these for the cockpit...after all i will steampunk up this look so that it won´t look to fishy a mere copy...

any way...this is the new hip idea and also look to the knees... these are push buttons, usually used for childrens doll garments and similar stuff...hopefully they will look like some kind of screw/ clockwork items...












you like?


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thanks gerner...for compliments and for joining in on the fun...

and recently some peeps here have had to "mostly" scroll through my blog and i have the deepest respect for these steelnerved men! it takes quite a hard man to sieve through all this mess... it is far easier to just create this whole sticky upsala as i go along... having chums like dave or shaso or RW and rawson and shrike nowadays sure helps...after all one could only talk so crazy for a certain time on his own^^ so any help is greatly accepted^^

also one further thing... this build is quite hard for now...i think i will move after this to the far more chilled waters fo tank creation after this one^^


cheers, vik

Looking good vik! love the legs and base is really effective keep it up!

thank you sir!!

Well vik, the best way to stop it being so hard in the future is to practice. And you should practice in a style that you're comfortable with. So Bad Dok Grimsnik prescribes some walking tanks for you

lol...well i have to take my daily dose of glue...so i guess...walking tanks ...^^ well one thing is sure... the next walker would be quite diffenrtly than this one... made lots of beginners faults on that one...and maybe i should for real start making sketches...after all it did help me with my tanks...

If it helped before, it will help again!
And if it doesn't you can always add more rivets

I love the gear bits Vik! Nice job. But I think you are staring at it, letting the difficulty get to you, letting it burn you out a bit.

Looking great Vik!

i really like the way that cobble turned out it is really awsome!

I want more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know it is amazing watching models develop as you see them as small bits stuck together and then they start to take shape and then you have something that resembles that first crazy idea that entered your mind in the first place.

This is looking way better than I first thought it would (sorry for doubting you I will beat myself and sit in the cupboard under the stairs for such heresy) but this is looking very impressive the pose looks really quite stable especially for a walker (clumsy looking things ).

The base brings the steam punk concept in more so again and has turned out well overall great job mate as for the cockpit what is it that you are struggling on ? is it design or fitting ?






As for the thread I am looking through stuff that I feel would be worth while and interesting to add to one …… but after following you lot I keep getting new idea's mostly stolen from you lot and don't do anything ……. although I am slowly working on my version of a Grot Mega Tank which has a lot of rivets so maybe when I get some where with that I will start and thats a promise HALE THE RIVET GODS ……...

Loving it so far, especially the simple but efffective paintjob on the base, and the leg joints look exactly how I'd imagined them! As always, keep it up!


and I thought I'd post a quick question here, I'm looking to make a baneblade conversion, and I want to know what thickness of plasticard I should use for the hull. I've mostly heard either 1mm or 2mm from a quick bit of research, but nothing conclusive, so I thought I'd ask all the fine plasticard converters that seem to orbit around this thread ^^

1mm definately, 2 is too thick to cut easily IMHO.

okay, thanks!

1 mm definately! 2 is a tad to big to work properly, and if you heat it, 1 mm can be nicely curved/bent in all sorts of shapes.

Not gonna be starting work until late march, just working out the cost of it all so I know what to save up for it

mates...all your coments will be answered later... just need a quick info from ye...

do you think this size of the cockpit would owrk? it is paper for now...just a mockup...:




pose is still workable through leg cockpit joint tho...

and yeah... dave you are bang to rights with your assumption!

That looks a tad too big, I'd say around 3/4 to 2/3 that sie would look better.

Yes I would agree with Ovlon it's a tad top heavy I would reduce it by at least a quarter of the size IMHO, is this the look you are going for or just to get some idea of size and scale for the cockpit

Viktor von Domm wrote:

I would turn the cockpit 180 degrees, because it looks wrong with the legs.
Also a reduction in size would be ideal.
And of course rivets.

I would agree with the size reduction, but I like the shape of your cab. Where will the boiler go?

I hate to say it, but I think you have a problem with your legs. To make it look right, I think you need to get the leg/body connection directly above the leg/foot connection. That way, the center of mass will be stable. I know you like pictures, so here ya go:


Something like that. Make sense from a physics POV?

I think I agree with Gerner that you should rotate the cab, but that's just preference. It would look okay either way.

Keep up the good work!
Rawson

Using my amazingly talented skills of MS paint:

thanks my frineds... first...:
it was a try...i have these patterns for the AT ST pepakura and thought these might help me...in a way they did...
my wife said she liked the shape...but i am still not convinced...also the legs are for her too long and probably too flimsy...

so i took the patterns and cut them in paper to not waste any PC for a try...i used the unchanged version...and your overall reaction showed me that it was too big... which i had reacted to in the same way... also i still would like to make a more:


looking front screen ....

so i think this is too not settled yet...

at rawson ...

mate you are right... the current position of the legs is looking fishy...it is looking wrong for so many reasons... it looks as if the pose wouldn´t support any mass at all...more likley it could topple backwards for the sheer weight of the hips alone...lest a big cockpit and engine...

at all...:
so i think i have to redo from scratch... but i value all your all your opinions...they helped me to see myself through a decision...i have to see what i can salvage from the current build to move on to the next phase...^^

maybe i can squeeze some hobby time out of tomorrow...a bit doubtful of that as my wife and me currently are tackling some roman costuemes for our two sons... carnival is soon happining here and both kids wanted to look like a roman legionnaire... with armor and all...so i have to assist my wife with smaller tasks for her needlework^^

but rest assured...that project will be completed!

I don't really think you need to start over at all. The legs are fine if you get your cockpit looking in the oposite direction. Placing a piston between the hip and the knee, creating a triangle would help to make the legs capable to bear more weight. The only problem will be the model might be off-centered in the base, but I'm sure you can unglue the legs to fix it with ease.


As long as the cockpit is not waaaay too big and bulky, of course.

Just make sure the center of mass of the whole thing is above the feet and you'll be fine.

hmmm... i wanted to make pistons for the legs anyway... good suggestion by you 2500kgm3...as for the direction of where the cockpit will be facing... i am totaly open...so i will try that out... unfortunatly i think i would do heavy destruction if i would try to get the feet off of the base... better option would then be to arange matters that the base is more heavy... that could be aranged by counterweights...

well tomorrow will definatly be another attempt to make a better cockpit...

Yes, what Shrike said!

lol... that was more his line...i think he will pout now...^^

thanks zefig! if all else fails i have some handy ikea washers that make quite good counterweights...^^

^^

or the ever present raised eyebrows^^

by the way... thanks for your shop pic^^

^^

Cockpit looks a tad small. Also it should indeed be reversed.
As for the legs, take a quick look at the battletech Mad Cat. The legs should be diagonal to support any weight. With a cut at the ankle and a cut at the hip you should be able to reposition it far enough i think Vik.

that is the tricky part... i love the mad cat feel... i actually in parts aimed for that look... but if i now cut somethere i coudl destroy soemthing and it then is doubtful to be repaired completly... and you think the paper one is too small.. i always try to catch a scale referrence by holding an incomplete sentinel pilot for scale issues to the model...

Will it be a counts as Sentinel? In that case it looks okay I guess...
Its normally a two-seater , hence I figured it a bit too small

the at st is a two seater... that is true... and i am a bit undecided wether this will be too a two seater...

well the AT-ST- isn't it like 5 times taller than a guy, while the sentinel is about 3 times taller?

thats true too... oh boy...where have i gotten myself into...^^

but it will definatly not be that high as an AT ST... that i am sure of...

If you use the shape of the AT-ST- it will look like a funny AT-ST I'm afraid. The silouette is ingrained into people's minds.

i really hate it when peeps can dissolve dreams like that... but again... you speak the truth dave... besides i still want that tiefighter window... also i more envision a round shaped cockpit... i should actually make a sketch for all the frustration it will bring...

You almost have to, at least settle on a rough design, otherwise you are just throwing parts together, hoping it looks good. Don't get me wrong, that can sometimes happen, but not as often as we would like.

well, at least it will keep the wasting of materials down to a certain degree...

Vik, you should trust your steam-punk instincts! Use the Punk Vik! use the Punk! and remember, rivets, rivets, and more rivets!

thanks mate, and i mean it!

Viktor von Domm wrote:thanks mate, and i mean it!

Anybody want a peanut?

Hmelrose wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:thanks mate, and i mean it!

Anybody want a peanut?

Classic. Nobody knows that movie over here...

I wanted to share this article with you Vik, from "The Brick Journal" an AFOL magazine

Rawson wrote:

Hmelrose wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:thanks mate, and i mean it!

Anybody want a peanut?

Classic. Nobody knows that movie over here...

Whaaaaaaat?!! You should petition your local movie theater to have a showing! Or get a copy, a projector and a giant and some speakers and have your own showing. I demand it.

Loving the TIE fighter stuff vik!

me too... got no clue to what movie you all rambling about now...

as for the sharing of that lego steampunk almanach... lovely! i know some of these models already due to my weekly research of all things steampunk...

Hmelrose wrote:
Whaaaaaaat?!! You should petition your local movie theater to have a showing! Or get a copy, a projector and a giant and some speakers and have your own showing. I demand it.

Haha, I'll see what I can do. I was just telling somebody about that movie the other day...

Viktor von Domm wrote: me too... got no clue to what movie you all rambling about now...

The Princess Bride. Novel from 1973 turned cult classic film in 1987. The movie is fantastic, the book is better.

ah now i get it...

lone dirty dog wrote:Sorry going back to steam punk weapons again found this

Elegant yet kicks a punch however you need to get to where you are going to use it first

This thing also works in Dieselpunk environments too!
i'd choose one if i'm to go to the streets and have to pass the mobsters-infested areas

hopefully this is Rifle not Shotgun.

could you plase post this in my 'repeating rifles' thread??

so good lads and ladies...
it is time to show you some of my recent works...

i took all your musing to heart...the legs got some serious reowrk done...well actually it was a small cut but the effect was quite pleasing...hope it will be to same effect to you too...^^

also i worked on the cockpit again... made a hatch on the top...used a SM tank hatch for this to later put a gun there...
also i now had a stroke of (at least i see it that way^^) genius for the construction of the boiler... i still had two wooden looking barrels from a recent fleamarket stroll...this is now with some bitz and PC my version of a steampunk boiler...and the best part is it has already a wooden texture on it!!!

well here are some pics... the first show the general shape of the cockpit... it is a bit lopsided...but it is my first major work with PC...after some more cruel tries of mine... and i think where when not in steampunk could you get away with the odd angle in a design?

the legs are still in the outdated fashion...









newly posed legs:





and the boiler in the making...





any suggestions...or praise...i am ot to shy to ask for the latter and too noble to wait for the former^^

vik

I think it looks great Vik! Great idea for the boiler, nice bit!

You did well on the desperately needed improvement of the leg position. Seems to be perfectly balanced now.
Wouldn't know what else to suggest at this stage, partly because I have no idea were you're going with that octagonal torso. Looks like a retired tie-fighter with legs.
I'm curious what you're further plans are.

at baiyuan... yep... that was exactly the look i was aiming for... retired tiefighter cockpit...it is after all too octagonal for this actually but the window was how i wanted the "face" of the walker to look like...

currently i am about to think up a way for the boiler to be connected to the torso and then how to make a convincing connection to the still not "there" engine part... i have absolutly no idea how to make an engine...

at dave, thanks mate...!

Ah, new leg positioning, a planned barrel boiler, (I can see plenty of piping added soon!) and hoses, as well as that thing ready to stomp down the enemy.,

yeah i thought about hoses and pipes too...tubes from PC possibly and some round rods too...

With the "L" shaped bends of course!

yep, tho the 45° angles cuts always gives me some hard times...

naaa, measure and draw a square, then draw between 2 corners, instant 45'er

well it is me being seemingly unable to cut in precise fashion... maybe i can get to persuade my wife in getting me a cutter like you use for the rods... that would improve my work...but in essence you are right... i should make longer measuring lines and thus have a good/better guidance for the cuts...

You should just get one of these
http://www.micromark.com/chop-it,9547.html
One tool that does it all!

the name alone says it all... yep... it is not the first time you showed me that one...and it is creeping up on me in my thoughts...well actually always when i try to make a decent cut^^

Dang! I need the "Chop-It" AND the "Duplicate-It"! Maybe even the "Sand-It"! Well, I guess my birthday is only 3 months away....I'll have to tell the wife.

That is what I used to make all those 45'ers on the rivet-trim for the floors, just set it and chop away. I used to use the 45 degree marks on my cutting mat before that though, they were never quite right.


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HAHAHA Jake, I looked at those others, and I didn't see myself using them as much.

dsteingass wrote:That is what I used to make all those 45'ers on the rivet-trim for the floors, just set it and chop away. I used to use the 45 degree marks on my cutting mat before that though, they were never quite right.

yep... i totally agree with you there... porper tools for proper results...

at jake...well...birthday is a good solution^^

Yeah, I'm rubbish for cutting. I can measure 20 times, but my cuts never turn out quite right.

oh i know that one too well myself...

Angled legs are a definite improvement - you are almost verging on finishing something! Dangerous ground...

oh...heavens forbid...^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:
well here are some pics... the first show the general shape of the cockpit... it is a bit lopsided...but it is my first major work with PC...after some more cruel tries of mine... and i think where when not in steampunk could you get away with the odd angle in a design?

the legs are still in the outdated fashion...



newly posed legs:



and the boiler in the making...

Some great progress you've made, Vik!

I'm not sure how I feel about the cab yet. It doesn't really remind me of a tie fighter yet, but I think that's because the window is flat, opposed to somewhat dome-like. I'm not at all, in any way, suggesting that you build it dome like. That wouldn't be cool for someone to do.

The legs are a hug improvement, imho!

Boiler looks like a good start, and I like the tau bit on the end as long as you fill the depressions for the antennas. It even has a little, steam punky grate!

the grate was the main reason for me to choose this bit... and yep... i will fill in the gaps of the antennas...

you have a point there with the dome like structure of the window of a tiefighter... does your comment point out the need to actually MAKE it domelike or is it now usable?
after all the general shape of the window is just a nod in the tiefighter direction... a bit of an hommage you could say...

all those untidy gaps will be filled in later on, i plan a bigger filling and filing session in the next days... i don´t like those gaps either...

the pics of the legs you choose show exactly the before and after...and i think it is indeed a good way... the discussion about pistons is not forgotten and will be reopened soon!

and thank you for your thoughts!

vik

Viktor von Domm wrote:you have a point there with the dome like structure of the window of a tiefighter... does your comment point out the need to actually MAKE it domelike or is it now usable?
after all the general shape of the window is just a nod in the tiefighter direction... a bit of an hommage you could say...

vik

That was just me rambling. I think it would look cooler with a domed cockpit, however the cost/benefit ratio of constructing said feature is not good (340 hrs of labor for a slightly cooler model). Now, if you could find a bit somewhere...

I had an ! What if you ditched the top section of your leg assembly? I was looking at the way you have your cockpit aligned with the legs (180degrees from a sentinel) and was contemplating human vs. animal anatomy Humans walk on their feet, while most animals walk on their "toes" giving them an extra length in their leg "assembly" (I hope that's not confusing). If you removed the top section, your leg assembly would resemble human anatomy and, imho, look quite steampunk! Either way (whether you leave the top section or remove it) I think you should lengthen the toes on the front side of the foot. That would help designate "This is the front" and not just look like sentinel legs with the cockpit on backwards.

Those are my thoughts. Take 'em or leave 'em

the legs look so much better now And the Boiler looks very cool. I can't think of anythine more constructive to say. .. rivets maybe?

at rawson... if i ditch like you suggested the upper section if the legs... then the legs would more resemble the legs of a tua crisis unit? hmmm... personally i see why you say this but i actually like that "iron horse" feel to the model...

lengthening the frnt toes is a good idea... i will have to see how this can be done... maybe a GS session could bring this on...


at mordain... thanks for the compliments... i am so itching for making rivets soon... but first the basic shape then the fun with rivets...man... this is a hardship... i was never so eager to make rivets then now^^ i guess it is deep down that i want to be finished with this build^^ rivets are the very last deed on the list before priming...

Love how that walker is coming on. The newly posed legs are a great improvement!

thank you sir!^^

Good work, the legs look much better now!
(damn GCSE's saoking up time again)

school...? urgh...^^

thanks mate^^

The legs are a good improvment hoewever, at the same time I feel it's lost its oringaillty.

thanks hazzer...and also thanks for the honesty... it is looking now a bit generic... i hope i can fix that with details and my usual gothed up steampunk style...

Yeah but you are judging it before it is done Vik, you can't do that.

Look, if you are painting something with a recipe of say red gore shade, blood red base, and orange highlights...It's like putting the red gore on and then saying "it sucks" and quitting. You'll never get to see the end result that way. You know it won't pop to your eyes until that orange highlight is painted.

Well same thing with your walker, all it is so far is a set of legs and a rough body. of course that is all it looks like so far!

You've been staring at it for two days now, talking yourself out of it.

mate....get outa my head^^

no seriusly... i am always in a state of doubt when making this... as i lack a true education in crafting anything it is always something that drags me down...hence the way too often redo from scratch starts... but why i haven´t made any progress today... my son felix and i went to a big exhibition.... food stuff and animals and such things... it is called the green week... really big one in berlin... and it was a father and son day.... soon he will have to go to school and then we don´t have theese inweek oportunities anymore.... so this was a kind of outtime today... tho i also have to admit... i have a new project bubbling inside me...gosh... i am so easily disatracted...^^

Vik, all you need right now is a "platform atop the legs, that with some gear bitz for showing rotation, and then add the boiler/chassis/etc.

exactly and for now i haven´t really figured out how to do that... but you are stright on the point mate... as for gears... i´ve found some old gears /cogs in my bitzbox... if all lese fails i pressmould them...

lol, I only know because I'm always guilty of it myself my friend

Viktor von Domm wrote:exactly and for now i haven´t really figured out how to do that... but you are stright on the point mate... as for gears... i´ve found some old gears /cogs in my bitzbox... if all lese fails i pressmould them...

Oh now you have to make the platform and gear up that and the chassis, press mould yes! make the platform mostly rectangular except the front, there you angle the front corners so it has a flat tipped boat like front. The you would have something like

O-ITI> sitting atop the legs
O=boiler, - is the connectors, ITI> is the chassis/cockpit the under score is the "platform" just for a layout from the side.

Woah there! This new builds a beaut! Look forward to more.

So its a tie fighter/ATST hybrid? I like the idea alot.

well... but seriously dave your work shows enough professionalism to not feel in doubt about your work...but i think we fear fear more than any cause itself...^^


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Perkustin wrote:Woah there! This new builds a beaut! Look forward to more.

So its a tie fighter/ATST hybrid? I like the idea alot.

thank you sir!

and in fact both vehicles have lend a hand for the desgin... but it is "just" a walker...with the fantastic addition of the steampunk theme too... by the way... tomorrow i will hopefully be able to show a pair of vickers guns that will work as autoguns for the weaponsoutload of the walkie^^

Meh, if it's really bugging you, put it aside for awhile, start something new, finish it later. It's no fun if you're stuck.

check the diagram above Vik

Haha its not just a walker its A viktor Von Domm walker!

I meant it was Loosely based on those two star wars vehicles, obviously you wouldnt settle for a straight up copy.

Oh btw lol at the Steampunk starwars a few pages ago, great find. Kinda like the short lived starwars transformers toys. IIRC luke skywalker transformed into the millenium falcon........

i still have the han/chewy transformer!


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luke was a tiefighter, cause mine was the falcon

liking the chicken legs Vik , Intrigued to see how it will all come together mate.

Wow a lot has happened (been ill sorry) Vik don't get into a rut with this mate ….. Push it to one side and start something new then go back to this with fresh eyes so to speak …………… after all it's a hobby if it becomes like work or a chore its time to leave it at least for a while.

It is looking good so far and you have built the basic structure so once you add detail it is amazing how quickly your vision will come to life, it might help to distract your self with something new for a while you might just be getting to entangled in this project.

I find I do this a lot and the break does work (most times) plus you get new ideas on the way

I have even given an idea for lay out to help Vik break his deadlock!

lone dirty dog wrote:... Push it to one side and start something new then go back to this with fresh eyes so to speak...

or resume work on the airship?

oh mates...it is as if you had a secret cam to my workdesk... i did a sideproject today... just had to do...or my head would have exploded for all my current ideas that i am having... it is still top secret but i will show you my work tomorrow... definite promise... it will then be a very promising wip...an idea i had for quite a loooong time... and finally i have come to terms with it...

as for the walker...vik von domm walker...lol...mighty german ring to a steampunky british theme^^ lol

at LDD... i hope you showing up means you are again up and about? the recent marks on my back are healed again...time to get the bullwhip out again mister!^^ and yeah... i would totally hate having my hobby turn out into work...yuck^^

thanks neil... yeah i am quite fond now with the chicken legs... tho rawson recently had some nice ideas about a more human leged walker...but for this...chicken legs it will be...

at RW... Luke being an tiefigeterr transformer??? does that make any sense? more like a x-wing...?

at shaso... toook me a whi8le to look for a diagramm...then i recognized the "sketch" of yours... basic but totally to the point:

O-ITI> sitting atop the legs



O=boiler, - is the connectors, ITI> is the chassis/cockpit the under score is the "platform" just for a layout from the side.

and i like your design... have planned something similar ...


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shrike wrote:

lone dirty dog wrote:... Push it to one side and start something new then go back to this with fresh eyes so to speak...

or resume work on the airship?

lol.... my airship is kinda your chuck norris^^

I remember the old-skool transformers jumped the shark when you had to rub the little sticker with a warm finger to find out whether it was an Autobot or a Decepticon. That was stupid IMHO. keep it simple, good guys vs. bad guys is a formula that ALWAYS works with kids toys, ALWAYS.

it is the way of the world...only that when you grow up...the bad boys are way harder to come by, or to detect and have all the cash in the world... oh would love for a simple and peaful world...good guys with white hats... bad boys with black heads...

Did you ever notice how stereotypical cartoon/toy bad guys like SW Stormtroopers and Cobra Troopers often wore helmets similar to WW2 German Wehrmacht?

That was the propaganda of the 1970's and 1980's that I grew up with here. Back then, you grew up knowing without a doubt that the Soviets were the bad guys. Now I'm older, I learn that we were just as bad, often worse, even to our own people. Today I can't tell who the bad guy is, everybody is doing someone else wrong.

Viktor von Domm wrote:

shrike wrote:

lone dirty dog wrote:... Push it to one side and start something new then go back to this with fresh eyes so to speak...

or resume work on the airship?

lol.... my airship is kinda your chuck norris^^

Pretty much yeah ^^

vik.. i meant x wing (slaps face) but at least you got what i meant

Rogue Wolves wrote:vik.. i meant x wing (slaps face) but at least you got what i meant

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at shrike


at dave... back in school we discussed that evil empire schemes in amrican movies... you see this now again with a different background all over again... now it is alien enemies that have other likenesses... more arabic now...
and yep... the real sharks and wrongdoers....they will be around us forever... if not something really strong happens...

the majority is still in their sheep mode...

arabic aliens? this i've gotta see!

Rogue Wolves wrote:arabic aliens? this i've gotta see!

But you may already have! they were the Jawas and the Sand people in Star Wars

What about the Dinks? Huh?

ahhh thats right.. i didnt think of that.. although i dont think it was OH these are arab aliens!! its the fact that they lived on a sand world that made them like that. compared to the obviously chosen german empire, or cobra

Rogue Wolves wrote:ahhh thats right.. i didnt think of that.. although i dont think it was OH these are arab aliens!! its the fact that they lived on a sand world that made them like that. compared to the obviously chosen german empire, or cobra

Ah, but you had the two extreme stereotypes, Jawas were the shifty thieves resellers of stolen items that will haggle with you over the price. Meanwhile the Sand-People are the stereo type of the vicious nomads who set out ot rob/pillage/rape whatever they come across.,Both the types one would see in a 1930's serial of which Star Wars was a homage to.

And yeah, once we get older, and become more aware, educated or savvy, you do not see any one in charge as being a good guy anymore, just less or more ready to do you dirty. I saw myself upholding and defending the Constitution, but now realize they could have made me and my unit do something for reasons other than that, thankfully we never did, we just babysat those missiles and never had to launch 'em. Glad to have avoided that so far.

Back on track! Vik just has to work on that chassis and body more and try it out.

completley right shas, i do take back my statment

Here comes the bull whip lol I love this forum you start with a nice simple hobby update and it turns into a mass ethical political debate, however you look at it , like I have said before there is good and bad in all people blame race colour or religion but in the end it always boils down to human nature.

Wether that be greed, fear or hatred there are a few that will use whatever excuse or means to achieve there goals and corrupt the minds of the rest on the way, I am sure we have all been privy if not guilty to this at some time in our lives if only in the school playground however we grow and learn from such poor and stupid judgments.

Wow now back to the topic I thought German helmets were used for bad guys because they just looked badass and black for bad good for white storm troopers are they not white

Viktor von Domm wrote:so good lads and ladies...
it is time to show you some of my recent works...

i took all your musing to heart...the legs got some serious reowrk done...well actually it was a small cut but the effect was quite pleasing...hope it will be to same effect to you too...^^

also i worked on the cockpit again... made a hatch on the top...used a SM tank hatch for this to later put a gun there...
also i now had a stroke of (at least i see it that way^^) genius for the construction of the boiler... i still had two wooden looking barrels from a recent fleamarket stroll...this is now with some bitz and PC my version of a steampunk boiler...and the best part is it has already a wooden texture on it!!!

well here are some pics... the first show the general shape of the cockpit... it is a bit lopsided...but it is my first major work with PC...after some more cruel tries of mine... and i think where when not in steampunk could you get away with the odd angle in a design?

the legs are still in the outdated fashion...









newly posed legs:

Is octagon thing a firebox?
and in backstory. what is the fuel you will use to boil? coal or fuel oil? or wood? or else?

and the boiler in the making...





any suggestions...or praise...i am ot to shy to ask for the latter and too noble to wait for the former^^

vik

the lid comes from Tau drones. not really associated to the theme of steampunk.
take Leman russ hatch instead