Crusade of Fire
Crusade of Fire is a campaign system for Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to join the campaign to control the Corvus Sub-sector. Whether you choose to join the Crusade of Fire itself, the foul Servants of Ruin or the bloodthirsty Prophets of War, the fate of the sub-sector lies in your hands.
This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.
Wow, this looks like just the thing I would have wanted when I was playing 40k regular. I love the idea of a campaign but am too intellectually devoid to come up with my own. I might get this anyway TBH.
The actual "Advance Order" dates are on the main page for the 40k Advanced Orders.
Ship to a Hobby Centre: The products launch on December 1st. Place your order by midnight Sunday 25th November, choose to have them delivered to your local Games Workshop Hobby Centre, and we'll guarantee they'll be there for you to pick up on launch day - absolutely free of charge.
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I love mostly all GW terrain. Please stop acting as if I've ever said any different or that something being a GW product is a reason for me to hate it. I dislike GW, not the models they make. Pay attention.
Anyway, a campaign book. This stuff is my absolute bread & butter. I am getting this without any hesitation.
Alfndrate wrote: It looks good actually... Idk how many pages are actually dedicated to the campaign since there are detailed batreps and a story of 9 gamers...
I'm definitely interested in campaign books, but it's 96 pages featuring "exclusive artwork"* and the above filler, so I'm also curious as to how much of it is actually useful gaming material.
*I'm all for fancy artwork, but it should only be to make the content more appealing, not as content itself and shouldn't be a selling point. I'm interested in campaign and game ideas, all the other fluff is unnecessary.
If it's a limited edition release that's crap, because I don't think I can justify pre-ordering it, and would have liked to see it in the flesh before handing over money that could get me a full rule book in some systems
HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...
The book looks great and I'll be picking up a copy. The variety of new battlefields is really interesting.
Is anyone familiar with the fluff behind the book beyond what's on GW's page? I don't recall the Crusade of Fire into the Corvus subsector, but I'm hardly an expert. It couldn't possibly be a new occurrence in the 40k universe, could it?
htj wrote: HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...
htj wrote: HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...
Same here, initially I was just interested, then saw Commorragh gladiatorial arena rules... never paid for anything so fast before... how the hell did that happen?!
Same here, initially I was just interested, then saw Commorragh gladiatorial arena rules... never paid for anything so fast before... how the hell did that happen?!
I think it's curious that the terrain bits are not limited edition whilst the 'wall of martyrs' set is. Would it not have been better to put the bits in WD and then announce the bundle offer as a Christmas thing? I expect some folks will be annoyed if they wanted just one part of that bundle and stumped up for the full set. Also the art for the book cover is odd as the arms from the Hellbrute in DV have been switched. I hope this is a continuation of the mini campaign from the box.
This impromptu 40 release makes me think that December is going to be a Hobbit fest.
Bloodwin wrote: I think it's curious that the terrain bits are not limited edition whilst the 'wall of martyrs' set is. Would it not have been better to put the bits in WD and then announce the bundle offer as a Christmas thing? I expect some folks will be annoyed if they wanted just one part of that bundle and stumped up for the full set. .
Except practically everyone said (when it came out) that this was similar to other bundled terrain deals that were 'limited edition' in the past and that they were going to release the components afterwards. No one should have been surprised.
Heheh, tempting, but I try to manage what little money I have better than the US Gov
Putting $40 on a credit card until you have the cash in a month is certainly not a problem. That is, in fact, what credit cards are for. Leaving that balance on there for longer than a month or two? That's where people run into problems. I use my credit card for almost every purchase I make but pay it off within 30 days without fail.
Its just a campaign book, with a couple nice pictures and a battle report. I cant justify dropping 41 bucks on this.
You know how I know you didn't read the description?
This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
So go ahead and repeat your incorrect assertion again.
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ExNoctemNacimur wrote: Didn't see that it's limited. Why would they do that? It makes zero sense.
Probably because it is just a campaign book and LE is the new black. It is no sweat off anyone's back if they don't get it.
Is it a hard back pamphlet? I was interested until I realized it is the White Dwarf in size, at twice the price. The content will not likely be much better either, a couple stories from one of their games, a couple odd rules, and a bunch of "buy me" pictures. I'll wait and read someone else's copy, thanks.
Its just a campaign book, with a couple nice pictures and a battle report. I cant justify dropping 41 bucks on this.
You know how I know you didn't read the description?
This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
So go ahead and repeat your incorrect assertion again.
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ExNoctemNacimur wrote: Didn't see that it's limited. Why would they do that? It makes zero sense.
Probably because it is just a campaign book and LE is the new black. It is no sweat off anyone's back if they don't get it.
LOL I read the description I wanna put money half the pictures will be recycled from the codex, The "Massive multiplayer scenarios" will be playing one step below apoc so essentially apoc without superheavies. "gladitorial commoragh scenarios" will have ridiculous rules that make no sense but its cool enjoy your book
USMCdeathmachine wrote: Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"
wow, you have a copy already!! Dude!!!
Bummer that its that bad, can you post up the ratio of rules to "not really impressive" crap? I would love to see the ratio...
Oh, wait...I thought someone had the book already and made an objective analysis...
On the limited part, perhaps they are testing the waters to determine if a softback version would sell? Or perhaps there will be a campaign set?
I have to admit that part is indeed fascinating.
I will be buying it .. checking now to see if my FLGS will carry it (gotta support the guys house you play at...).
megatrons2nd wrote: Is it a hard back pamphlet? I was interested until I realized it is the White Dwarf in size, at twice the price. The content will not likely be much better either, a couple stories from one of their games, a couple odd rules, and a bunch of "buy me" pictures. I'll wait and read someone else's copy, thanks.
Hard back is so worth it.
2/3rds of WD's size (so WD without the catalog), and 5 times the price.
If it's got decent rules/content then I'll buy it, if it's sold out by that point then I won't.
If it was just the rules in the book, with the editorial walkthrough in WD I'd buy it right off, but I'm wary as to how much of it is rules and how much is filler (like the hobby section of the BRB).
Heheh, tempting, but I try to manage what little money I have better than the US Gov
Putting $40 on a credit card until you have the cash in a month is certainly not a problem. That is, in fact, what credit cards are for. Leaving that balance on there for longer than a month or two? That's where people run into problems. I use my credit card for almost every purchase I make but pay it off within 30 days without fail.
I keep a credit card for emergencies only. I got myself in trouble years ago with credit and it took a long time to get things squared away. Now I buy what I can afford at the time I buy it.
A new campaign book! A new... global... campaign book? Ooooooooooooooh!
Also warming the dark cockles of my heart: I haven't seen any 'rumors' of this at all. No one played the odds on a campaign coming out for community cred and for some reason, I find that notion delicious.
Crusade of Fire
Crusade of Fire is a campaign system for Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to join the campaign to control the Corvus Sub-sector. Whether you choose to join the Crusade of Fire itself, the foul Servants of Ruin or the bloodthirsty Prophets of War, the fate of the sub-sector lies in your hands.
This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.
£25.
So in other words, the kinds of stuff that used to be published in White Dwarf...
Although in this book's favor, its "only" the cost of 4.1 White Dwarfs (US prices) and you don't have to wade through a couple of hundred advertising pages as you would in four White Dwarfs.
Man, I wish I had the money to order one as I'd buy it in a heartbeat if I did. What's worse is that by the time I scrounge up the money it will probably be sold out. I hate how they keep committing awesome products to this ridiculous "While Stocks Last" system. It's getting really obnoxious. Oh well, I'm sure someone will post it on the internet somewhere. :\
What, is it like the Fantasy one, were the campaign. Was a bunch of note from the staff, saying this is how we played the campaign, or a real plotted out campaign.
vitki wrote: Wonder if this will be going to digital as well?
Well, pretty much every other rulebook GW has released has gone digital so I'm sure this one will to. As an added bonus the digital version won't be LE so you'll be able to see if it's worth your money. Might be a bit hard to find though.
That's not in itself a bad thing. It's also how Dragonlance started...
Lansirill wrote: Well, pretty much every other rulebook GW has released has gone digital so I'm sure this one will to. As an added bonus the digital version won't be LE so you'll be able to see if it's worth your money. Might be a bit hard to find though.
I'm not sure that 3 codexes and the WD Bommer rules quite constitute 'pretty much every other rulebook GW has released'...
Besides which, keeping their digital releases to iTunes still leaves it effectively Limited Edition.
There's a pretty amazing price increase on the separate bits of the wall of martys, if you go by what's supposed to be in the Limited Edition set:
* 3 defense lines
* 2 emplacements
* 1 bunker
Keep in mind the difference between Limited Edition and Limited Supply. The latter gives GW the option to make reruns when they feel like it. A reprint happened with the Fantasy version already. BTW I am also buying this as I am a fan of narrative gaming.
I saved a mighty AUD$136 by getting the two wall sets rather than buying all the components individually. And now the big set isn't available on the Aussie webstore.
I hope this is a good campaign that could compare to FW, and at that price I might get it. I also like those sets for the wom that was with it too, I think GW made a really good move.
Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.
When GW uses a book to sell rehashes of content from old White Dwarf magazines. Especially when the low low price of $41 for mostly redone content is the cost. Without looking at this book I will go on record as saying it will have 10-15 pages of pictures mostly new in the fact that they have color added to old pictures. The 5-10 pages of campaign rules from the old 3rd or 4th edition rulebooks. 5-10 pages of charts/tables. 10-15 pages for the redone Gladiator rules from an old White Dwarf for those pesky Wyches. 10-20 pages of redone fluff, mostly the same stories we already have from a different persons point of view. leaving the rest to be filled with White Dwarf style Battle Reports, and the White Dwarf style "this is how are 9 person campaign went" story.
When GW uses a book to sell rehashes of content from old White Dwarf magazines. Especially when the low low price of $41 for mostly redone content is the cost. Without looking at this book I will go on record as saying it will have 10-15 pages of pictures mostly new in the fact that they have color added to old pictures. The 5-10 pages of campaign rules from the old 3rd or 4th edition rulebooks. 5-10 pages of charts/tables. 10-15 pages for the redone Gladiator rules from an old White Dwarf for those pesky Wyches. 10-20 pages of redone fluff, mostly the same stories we already have from a different persons point of view. leaving the rest to be filled with White Dwarf style Battle Reports, and the White Dwarf style "this is how are 9 person campaign went" story.
Now we are talking. The real world can sometimes be frustrating and be far away from expectations.
I, for one, am not going to buy this book unless I can be sure it includes interesting new army lists that I can spend hundreds of dollars on and then learn they will be rendered illegal in a couple of months!
(actually, good for them, I look forward to getting the book. Just wish they'd make a campaign that would incorporate the 3 40k systems of regular 40k, epic and BFG).
So in other words, the kinds of stuff that used to be published in White Dwarf...
Although in this book's favor, its "only" the cost of 4.1 White Dwarfs (US prices) and you don't have to wade through a couple of hundred advertising pages as you would in four White Dwarfs.
This.
Some of us have been around long enough to remember when WD included things like this. Nobody plays these sorts of things in my area so I won' be buying it; the huge fantasy release (what was it? Maelstrom of Magic or something?) last year saw little use beyond a month at the FLGS I frequent.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.
LOL, I guess you missed the tongue in cheek...
As agnosto says:
agnosto wrote: Some of us have been around long enough to remember when WD included things like this.
This books sounds like it is made up of a bunch of articles from the better White Dwarfs from the old days, that did indeed include articles like the ones in this book. Since a series of campaign articles would have have been spread over a few issues of White Dwarf we need to (in jest) calculate the equivalent cost in White Dwarfs. Since 96 pages of campaign material would have probably been spread out over at least 6 issues (6 x 16 pages= 96), this book is an awesome deal at $41...
This book may well be out takes from WD that would not fit in WD because of the quantity of advertising has completely taken over the magazine.
It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.
but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.
It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.
but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.
Yah, that is just a Daemon prince. Looks good though.
That's what I was checking, as the knee-pads certainly aren't part of the DP kit. But they are from another kit (Marauders or old Chaos Warriors - unsure which). I know because I use done to make the 'face' of a Scavvy leader for Necromunda (combined with an iron gob from the Ork sprue!).
Platuan4th wrote:Blood in the Badlands was LE? Huh, guess I can wait on this one, too, going by how many copies of BitB are laying around in stores here.
nolzur wrote:
Ouze wrote: Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.
Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...
wuestenfux wrote:Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.
Again: It is limited supply, not limited edition. Means: As with Blood in the Badlands there can be reprints if demand is there. GW just made a first printing in China and hasn't ordered a second printing yet.
Oh, and you can't order Space Hulk from GW anymore (was available online for 2 days).
Not impressed. This is almost exactly the same description as for Blood in the Badlands, which did not have any support for the Mighty Empires tiles (which would have been an obvious tie in) and barely said anything at all about the campaign or how to build one, maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material. The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf. When I said I wanted a campaign guide for 40k/Fantasy, I meant the General's Compendium, not a hard cover print off of someone's blog.
Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.
I'm excited and expect this to be better!
By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!
Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
That Sucks big Time.
This is the kinda Justified reason why GW should be hated...
Their drop of a hat pre-ordering schemes are a mess!
I sent them this email..
Spoiler:
Sirs,
I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess!
Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it.
40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.
People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last!
When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash!
Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...)
This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...
Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print?
Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy!
Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?
Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.
I'm excited and expect this to be better!
By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.
All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!
A lot of that is the sort of stuff that used to be in White Dwarf. Not in a single issue admittedly, but spanned over 2 or 3.
I expect each of those will be a couple of pages of rules and tables, assuming a generous 5 pages a title there it's 35 pages of content. White Dwarf could easily fit 3 x 12 page articles in (they waste more than that each issue with filler :p), or a single 35 page supplement. They won't though, because they can charge £25 for the same thing and the fans will snap it up.
I remain sceptical as to the usable page count until I've seen it though, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this instance because I love the idea of it
Happygrunt wrote: So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
Welp, looks like unless the store near me happens to have some copies GW won't be getting my $41. Sucks to be them. I thought about getting it, even though it sounds overpriced, but I wasn't going to spend that much cash on something of unknown quality.
Crusade of fire is still available on the UK site.
If any of you johnny foreigners (said with a smirk, I promise) know someone in the UK that can get them sorted for you, you might want to drop them a line, quick style
I went to order it tonight, only to find out it was sold out. The least they could do would be to offer it digitally. You'd think they would, but then again, I know enough to not automatically apply logic to GW reasoning.
Personally, I like how they were much clearer on the expected delivery dates this time. If you indicated you would pick it up at the store; then you get it first. If you had it shipped to your house, wait another week.
With 6th, I got mine a couple weeks after it was available in the store simply because I mistakenly thought having it shipped to my house would be better.
Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
And it kinda rubbed me the wrong way... I hate this Kinda thing, preorders should not sell out all available online stock prior to a products launch.
Maybe it's just my opinion I guess, but I believe that everyone who see's that preorder page should be able to buy it.
I sent GW this email..
Spoiler:
Sirs,
I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess!
Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it.
40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.
People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last!
When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash!
Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...)
This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...
Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print?
Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy!
Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?
Much Love,
Panic...
I got this reply.
Spoiler:
Hi Panic...
Thanks for the email, we are sorry to hear about this issue. We announce all pre orders and their dates in White Dwarf, and we never release anything before the month in question's White Dwarf.
The White Dwarf release date and the first day of pre-orders is always the last Saturday of the month., for example this weekend will be the first time you can pre-order December's releases. During holiday periods this can change, but it will be advertised in the previous month's White Dwarf.
The White Dwarf also lists all the release dates for Games Workshop, Black Library and Forge World releases throughout the month and also on the last page features a hobby calendar which notes all the key release dates and events through that month.
We also announce any pre-orders in our Daily Blog on the website, so we would recommend having a read, as they also look into these new products.
We hope this helps clear this issue and if you have any further questions please feel free to reply back.
Regards
Kyle Workman
Games Workshop Customer Service
tel: 0044 (0) 115 91 40000
Open Monday to Saturday 10am to 6pm
I'm a think I'm a little confused... by this reply.
Crusade of Fire has already gone on Pre-order and sold out in the USA before Pre-Order/WhiteDwarf day.
This happened before with the Gamer Edition of 40k.
It was announced and sold out online before I received my White Dwarf.
My White Dwarf Subscription then came through my door telling me all about a product that looked very good but was already sold out...
Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".
At no point did he say anything like "Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".
I realise he's a monkey (sorry Kyle) and not the organ grinder so you'll never get that response, though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo
htj wrote:I suggest you reply and tell him that. Have to say, sounds like he's fobbing you off.
kitch102 wrote:Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".
...though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo
I'm not entirely sure he got my complaint.
So I've replied.
Spoiler:
Sirs,
One of us is confused here?? As far as I know Crusade of Fire was not announced in last months White Dwarf?
It will be 'Announced' in this months White Dwarf. yet it has already been Announced by WD daily online and is available for preorder now.
Before your release dates and before this months White Dwarf launch etc...
And heres the crux of my complaint. It has already sold out in the US GW online store.
Before the US White dwarf has announced it, and Before it has got on general sale, it has sold out online (in the US)!
I think GW is doing something wrong here and are leaving people disappointed when they can't get products.
This is what I'm saying happened here in the UK with the Gamer Edition of 6th edition.
It sold out online in two days. I missed out on that.
White dwarf came a few days later Announcing the released dates of the 6th Gamer Edition that was already sold out.
Thanx for your time, I hope you see what I'm getting at??
Panic...
Lets see if I get a proper answer to the actual complaint this time?
Nope. You'll get a response pointing out that it is still available in the UK, and that the US is a separate business that is run from the US, and so he can't really tell you anything about what goes on over there.
Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
I think this sucks so I sent GW this email..
Spoiler:
Sirs, I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess! Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it. 40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.
People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last! When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash! Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...) This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...
Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print? Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy! Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?
Much Love, Panic...
I got this reply from GW.
Spoiler:
Hi Panic...
Thanks for the email, we are sorry to hear about this issue. We announce all pre orders and their dates in White Dwarf, and we never release anything before the month in question's White Dwarf.
The White Dwarf release date and the first day of pre-orders is always the last Saturday of the month., for example this weekend will be the first time you can pre-order December's releases. During holiday periods this can change, but it will be advertised in the previous month's White Dwarf.
The White Dwarf also lists all the release dates for Games Workshop, Black Library and Forge World releases throughout the month and also on the last page features a hobby calendar which notes all the key release dates and events through that month.
We also announce any pre-orders in our Daily Blog on the website, so we would recommend having a read, as they also look into these new products.
We hope this helps clear this issue and if you have any further questions please feel free to reply back. Regards Kyle Workman
Games Workshop Customer Service
tel: 0044 (0) 115 91 40000
Open Monday to Saturday 10am to 6pm
Which I though a little confusing ... So I wrote to GW again confirming my complaint.
Spoiler:
Sirs, One of us is confused here?? As far as I know Crusade of Fire was not announced in last months White Dwarf? It will be 'Announced' in this months White Dwarf. yet it has already been Announced by WD daily online and is available for preorder now. Before your release dates and before this months White Dwarf launch etc...
And heres the crux of my complaint. It has already sold out in the US GW online store. Before the US White dwarf has announced it, and Before it has got on general sale, it has sold out online (in the US)!
I think GW is doing something wrong here and are leaving people disappointed when they can't get products.
This is what I'm saying happened here in the UK with the Gamer Edition of 6th edition. It sold out online in two days. I missed out on that. White dwarf came a few days later Announcing the released dates of the 6th Gamer Edition that was already sold out.
Thanx for your time, I hope you see what I'm getting at??
Panic...
And Gw replied again and this time looks like the point of complaint was understood. Huzzah!
Spoiler:
Hello Panic...
Many thanks for your reply. We do apologise and we can understand the inconvenience as the Crusade of Fire book was not listed in the previous White Dwarf. As such we will pass this feedback onto the studio and also the White Dwarf team.
Kind regards, Scott Edwards. Games Workshop Customer Service
All I hoped for is that they realise that customers get upset when they don't get the chance to get limited edition stuff especially when it sells out prior to general release... I think I succeeded a little.
kitch102 wrote: ..."Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".
I agree we can only hope that GW adopt these better ways of obtaining more money from us... . . . wait!
I suppose I'm lucky my FLGS is ordering a number in and I called dibs fairly early on, gave them the money and all.
The whole Limited Edition schtick is getting old. There's really no reason for it, especially with 'campaign' books like Blood in the Badlands and Crusade of Fire which could make a mint if allowed to be sold for a while.
Well if everybody had actually bought Dreadfleet (instead of leaving them with squillions of unsold copies) I suspect they wouldn't be doing this
If it's as bad as the haters think it will be you'll be able to pick it up cheap on ebay later as folk dump it
if it's as good as the lovers think it will be.... well ouch
If the emails to Panic pan out though, they may be moving towards a limited release window..... ie no limit on numbers, but a limit on how long things sell for (not sure if this is preferable or not, but at least retailers should be able to gamble on stocking up)
Sigvatr wrote: I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered
How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided. So buying something and at the same time saying that the way of distribution is bad seems contradicting to me. Buying sth. is a binary decision - yes or no, not "Yes, but..." or "No, but...".
Sigvatr wrote: By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.
No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.
If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.
Sigvatr wrote: By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.
No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.
If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.
Right. It means you agree "to"the terms but not necessarily "with" the terms.
I am not going to panic just yet. Dark Vengeance LE sold out pretty quickly on the website, but my FLGS still has probably 5-6 copies on the shelf. Hoping I can still pick this up without resorting to eBay prices.
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.
If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.
I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.
Breotan wrote: I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.
Yes, but would that have been the case if it wasn't limited?
Sigvatr wrote: By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.
Oh hogwash!
As mentioned above, it's not that black and white. Don't be so daft.
It isn't? GW only cares for whether they sell stuff or not. Do you honestly think GW cares the slightest for its customers' wishes? Why do we still have such horrid prices then? Why does GW now plans to have "mini-stores" that prohibit playing or drastically reduce possibilities to play?
I do not say and do not want to say that you guys buy the book because you're fine with it. You buy it because you like the fluff / campaigns. But in my eyes, assuming that GW will care for the grumbling about its way of distribution is a very naive perspective.
Simply put: GW releases something, it's sold out shortly after announcing it. It obviously worked exceptionall well. Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.
Sigvatr wrote: ... Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.
I don't expect them to stop doing limited editions. No.
But what I would like is for them to be made in more realistic quantities and given release dates that we know of in advance so that everyone has a chance of buying one.
Lockark wrote: I wanted to get Crusade of fire, but couldn't drop the $50 CAD when the pre-orders went up.
And since Canada is distributed from the US, it means it's now sold out in Canada too....
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email GW and register your complaint and disappointment. Only by telling them what we believe they are doing wrong can we hope they will change.
Breotan wrote: I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.
To be honest the problem with this was RL issues and gaming space - there have been two run so far over here. The one attempted at the local GW store got bogged down in gak ranging from the manager insisting on certain types of games being played in a certain way, refusing to consider options for the larger games beyond your standard Saturday megabattle farce and then trying to take over and impose his will when he wasn't even the one running it! (It was me running it, I'd even made map markers, brought in banners etc. for it and here he is overriding rulings left right and centre without even telling me...)
The one run in the FLGS/Club went a lot better as there was more space, people were willing to move tables around and the games could be run as intended.
I expect no less from this. It'll be fun for gaming groups and clubs that want to have a unified push with all involved.
Not sure if the right place to ask, but what do people think about the fighting on a deamon world rules we can see? Only 2 page but still was interesting to read I thaght.
The possession counters sound sorta awsome to play with in particular.
Now these seem to be "Fighter Ace" characteristics you can apply to a flyer. Seeing as how BT doesnt get flyers yet Im wondering if were getting updated sooner than we thought or GW is fething us in the ass and making CoF unusable for BT until our update. Lets hope for the former!
Which also means that since GW doesnt bother to advertise content that could potentialy create a sale, I never bothered to preorder the book. Now that a member of their fanbase has done their job for them I now want to buy the book. Oh wait, its sold out. Good job promoting piracy GW.
My search-fu isn't too great but couldn't find if it meant "expanded rules for flyers" meaning all the flyers rules were there or if they were just some additions...
Crusade of Fire was particularly disheartening as the store where I work was not going to be allocated any, as told by our GW rep (even asked about getting a few copies just for employees to purchase and still told no).
The rep suggested that any interested employees head on over to GW's site and buy the book direct, as it was going fast.
In fact it went so fast that as the call was ending I was on GW's website and it was already sold out, so that sucked.
I will try some other local stores and see if they will have any available but I am not holding my breath.
Bloodfrenzy187 wrote: Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.
If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.
Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.
Becouse it is a Campaign book like Badlands. Meaning a bunch of guys from GW, writing about what they did to play a campaign. Now pick and choose the ideas you like from all the ways we played the campaign, and make up your own.
Bloodfrenzy187 wrote: Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.
If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.
Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.
Becouse it is a Campaign book like Badlands. Meaning a bunch of guys from GW, writing about what they did to play a campaign. Now pick and choose the ideas you like from all the ways we played the campaign, and make up your own.
Except...The 40k market is much bigger than that of the warhammer market. More people would buy a 40k campaign than a warhammer one, heck, They still have blood in the badlands copies in the GW I go to. If they where going to make it LE at least make sure some people can actually get it. Seeing how it lasted what sounds like less than half a day, that could be considered a success and also a failure for them.
I'm not normally one to get worked up about GW's business decisions, and in many occasions have defended their actions in the past. However, as someone who has played GW games for nearly 20 years, this kind of thing really makes me reconsider supporting them. I am not a competitive gamer, and following the latest army trend doesn't appeal to me much. But narrative campaign books do, and I was really looking forward to this. Unfortunately, even though I saw it the day it was released, I waited until after the holidays to worry about picking it up, since you know, I was too busy visiting family and things like that.
Unfortunately, since GW decided to spring this release with no prior announcement, I've missed out on what might be the only release I'm extremely interested in purchasing from them for the foreseeable future. So now I'm basically forced to pirate it if they don't release and non-iOS digital version. Which is besides the point that I want a hard copy, not a digital copy, even if it were free. I think I would write a letter if I thought it would do a bit of good.
Oh well, I guess I just saved a lot of money by not having to support a company that makes it impossible to purchase their products. Back to paying Necromunda for free.
I wouldn't worry too much about quantities. Crusade of Fire is marked 'While Stocks Last' not 'Limited Edition'. It just means that it was a relatively small print run, not that they will never release it again. If there's enough demand I'm sure they will do another print run, as I believe they did with Blood in the Badlands.
I did too Kronk. What I didnt get though was a tracking number. So Im pretty sure its just an email that means we have your book and we put it in a box and will be sending it out at some point. Just like what they did for my Chaos marines codex.
gobbledog wrote: Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.
It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.
To quote directly from Dec WD, page 38,
"Don't wait to pick up your copy though - Crusade of Fire is only available in limited numbers and when it's gone, it's gone."
reds8n wrote: Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.
Sounds just like Blood in the Badlands which came out for fantasy... a year ago?
That book was a terrible buy. The seige rules took up a few pages... the campaign rules were OK, but only helpful to add onto an existing campaign...
Do NOT lose any sleep over not getting this book, folks. Knowing GW, it is probably done to the same format, and most of the book chronicles what I quoted above- 9 hobbyists playing games. I.e, a long white dwarf, that you're paying a lot more for...
NOT worth it... again, if it's anything like Blood in the Badlands, which it sounds like it is.
Loads of battle reports, army show-cases, campaign rules and optional rules/rules expansions? That doesn't sound anything like WD. That's sounds like what WDshould be.
WD has none of that. It just has big glossy pictures (with helpful text to tell you what's in the pictures you're looking at), 50-pages of new releases, 14 pages listing every shop and stockist on the planet, and no content whatsoever.
I am calling my local GW on Friday to see if they are getting any in (manager told me to wait unitl then, they wouldn't know before), so hopefully I will be getting a copy to wrap up and put under the tree (For myself, oddly enough)
Although it dose seem stupid to do a Limited Run. Unfortunately, it sold out so fast that GW might see it as a viable plan for the future...
HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...
Automatically Appended Next Post: And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.
RiTides wrote: HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...
Automatically Appended Next Post: And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.
Honestly, I am just hoping for IA Light. As long as there is a story, some new rules and good looking pictures, I will be happy.
At first I saw it and I got excited because I'm a campaign/special games kind of guy. However, like people have said, caution must be applied when buying GW products.
Fortunately, GW made my decision for me by making it Limited Edition.
I suppose we won't know how it is till it comes out. I'm hopeful.
gobbledog wrote: Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.
It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.
To quote directly from Dec WD, page 38,
"Don't wait to pick up your copy though - Crusade of Fire is only available in limited numbers and when it's gone, it's gone."
Anything else you would care to quibble about?
But that's not a limited edition, just a limited run, not that it's worth quibbling over, so I'll stand corrected. I assumed it was like the previous book where they did a 2nd print run shortly afterwards.
In any case, it seems like a bad idea to release an expansion on such a limited scale, as you can by definition only market it at the people who are able to buy it on release day.
RiTides wrote: HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...
Automatically Appended Next Post: And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.
That's what worries me, I'll happily pay good money for a set of campaign rules and scenarios, but I'm not going to pay the same money for a hard back editorial (how we played the campaign) as that is what we should be getting in White Dwarf. My value-for-money proposition is going to be ignoring all the extraneous crap, and if it turns out to be 30 useful pages, I'm going to be thinking "is a 30 page hardback boook worth 25 quid?".
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
So what your saying is it was not worth the money?
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
Let me guess....BT got Fighter Ace rules but still no flyer options outside of wallet-raping FW?
I think the book is not a must buy, but I don't regret buying it. The scenarios in the campaign are nice, esp. the zero-G fighting rules. The one-on-one brawling rules at the end are also fun but not essential. An inspiring book like Badlands.
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
Yes, you can Definitely post how the new flyer rules roughly work.
Also, as Kroot says I don't think Blood in the Badlands was necessarily terrible for everybody... there is some character to it, and probably to this 40k equivalent, I just wanted folks to know what they were in for.
A few pages of rules, and a lot of White-dwarf-esque campaign play-through commentary.
I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
You sir saved me 50$, and I thank you.
Same here. So anybody who doesnt have a flyer through GW yet has to take a backseat on this one eh? So Mr Grey Knight or Mr Necron can go to the local GW and drop $50 to get a flyer and play with his fancy Fighter Ace rolls, but Ive got to get a Storm Eagle or Assault Ram shipped from FW in the UK to the US for almost $200 and then hope Im allowed to use said FW models where Im playing? What a dumbass hobby Ive gotten myself into.
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.
Yes they were awesome, proper tomes full of useful stuff. In fact, I'd say a fair amount of it is probably still usable now with a bit of work.
I can confirm that, assuming you have the 6th ed book and pdf update for the base Siege rules and the WDs/PDFs with the Skirmish rules. The old Siege rules work just fine with 8th and I still enjoy the occasional ship fight.
It's on eBay for $150 buy it now. No thanks. I was iffy on getting it from GW direct and paying $50. No way I'm dropping more than that, though I am really curious to check it out.
I'm just very happy my store has enough coming in. Got a confirmation of another 20 copies coming to me. Not sure how my sales rep wrangled it or if they got more from the UK, but I really don't care, the book looks great. Happy to have enough for folks to get them.
MdM wrote: I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?
Just as I posted earlier. :sigh: I hate being right sometimes. GW would make real money if they made a proper, GC level of book for 40k and Fantasy, as most of the people I play with (including nearly all of the tournament players) would love to play a campaign. In fact, not only does it get people buying books and multiple armies, it also increases sales of "sub par" units included in current codecies, as several of them may be useless for "min/max" competitive play, but worth quite a bit for specific objective grabbing and scenario missions that would not be used in a tournament due to time constraints.
Of course, judging by most people's reactions before hearing anything more about the product, GW would have made more money by having the numbers to rope in a few more suckers before word got out about the quality of the product.
The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.
tetrisphreak wrote: The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.
IIRC only around 20 pages are about new rules, a very small part on a 100 pages book; i didn't meant the last 2-3 pages
Also i misunderstood the flyer duels (i didn't had much time to read the other day): the battle are not random: you have to hide the dice that marks your tactic instead of rolling them. sorry for that wrong info.
If someone is curious about the flyer duels the work in this way: in the movement phase your flyer can declare a chellange to another flyer whithin range, then both players roll a dice and add modifiers based on the direction of the attacker to see if the defender manage to escape the duel. Then there are 3 fight phases, and in every phase every player has secretly to choose a tactic to use (like aiming to the weak point or counter-attacking, in every phase there are 3 different tactics for each player) and then check the table to see the result, (some results allow the attacker to fire a signle or multiple weapons and modify his BS, other allow the defender to evade, escape or even fire back!) If you manage to kill an enemy flyer in a duel you gain an extra victory point
In addition evey flyer gains 2 special ability based on the race that can be used during the normal turns by passing Ld/S/I tests, and you can even buy an ace pilot for 50pts that gives other special rules to that flyer
Pages 15-37 are fluff regarding the subsector in which the campaign is fought, and army photos of the designers who participated. The rest of the book is either campaign rules (planetary layouts, special rules, rules for planetary empires tiles, campaign missions) or brand new rules (arena battles, dogfights). So 22/96 fluff, 74/96 content.
I wrote a pretty lengthy review about the book on my blog if anyone wants to check it out.
My take is that its not worth 41 bucks, especially if you compare it to other products from say Fantasy Flight or DnD, but for GW it is pretty good. There is a lot of filer from my vantage point, but enough real meat to make any player group very happy. My suggestion is split the cost between friends and have fun!
tastytaste wrote: The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.
You make that sound like that's a bad thing?
The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.
And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.
tastytaste wrote: The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.
You make that sound like that's a bad thing?
The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.
And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.
I took it more as a warning for those of us that don't buy everything that GW produces...kind of letting us know that it's missing a fairly large component if we want to get the most out of it.
It is nice to see GW trying to actually go back to the old "SUMMER CAMPAIGN" thing they used to do.
Wish they would have set a team to work and run this through the idea ringer for about a year and actually put some meat on the bones here.
Start out with the book, add in the LE stuff.
Then you need some special characters.
Then you need a specific chapter/ faction. Possibly introduce a new race.
Add in a generic campaign system to add in your Planetary Empires,Battlefleet Gothic, the Planetfall, the Apocalypse stuff, the Citys of Death stuff, and introduce a skirmish game ala Necromunda.
Would have been a money maker, especially with LE Forgeworld stuff for all parties that could come to light.
civilians, some strongpoints, some goals, and the other lickies and chewies that can happen with a dedicated team to make it.
I for one am starting to lose the hate. I still want a good batch of the new chaose cultists, and a few of those other guys from that new boxed set, but other then that, I have enough chaos from the old days to put together a fairly meaty force of around 2,000 pts.
They are silly and stupid, but if they can get themselves together enough to at the very least START to go the right way with books like this, maybe they might have someone in there that is still a gamer, and not all bean counters and corperate shills.
I would like to see GW drop the holier then thouh act and actually go back to things like this.
Not a great book, crap price, but a good start, if they can continue in this line of thinking.
I know someone who has got his hands on the book, after some flickering through he immediately Facebook-messaged me that he wanted to tell me something.
This guy has been playing 40k since 2nd ed or something and he is completely blown away about how cool this campaign is, he was planning events for our gaming group but threw it all away when he got his hands on crusade of fire.
To me this was a clear sign that it was good :p going to get it myself somewhere soon, he also mentioned some really cool necron stuff... still in the dark what that was all about :p except that I know that chaos devotees were digging in a necron planet (which we all know isn't good)
tetrisphreak wrote: The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.
IIRC only around 20 pages are about new rules, a very small part on a 100 pages book; i didn't meant the last 2-3 pages
Also i misunderstood the flyer duels (i didn't had much time to read the other day): the battle are not random: you have to hide the dice that marks your tactic instead of rolling them. sorry for that wrong info.
If someone is curious about the flyer duels the work in this way: in the movement phase your flyer can declare a chellange to another flyer whithin range, then both players roll a dice and add modifiers based on the direction of the attacker to see if the defender manage to escape the duel. Then there are 3 fight phases, and in every phase every player has secretly to choose a tactic to use (like aiming to the weak point or counter-attacking, in every phase there are 3 different tactics for each player) and then check the table to see the result, (some results allow the attacker to fire a signle or multiple weapons and modify his BS, other allow the defender to evade, escape or even fire back!) If you manage to kill an enemy flyer in a duel you gain an extra victory point
In addition evey flyer gains 2 special ability based on the race that can be used during the normal turns by passing Ld/S/I tests, and you can even buy an ace pilot for 50pts that gives other special rules to that flyer
You pick the tactic, but I found it interesting. The extra maneuvers you can do seem pretty cool too.
I like it. I got the Fantasy campaign book and the 40k version is just what I expected. Old school campaign stories and fluff and then some fun rules on top. They've even got cut out pages of cards for the arena stuff at the back. It's nice inspiration for how to run a campaign, but rather than make it all fluff centric they've tried to make it player centric. It's the best bits of White Dwarf without the adverts.
Grot 6 wrote: It is nice to see GW trying to actually go back to the old "SUMMER CAMPAIGN" thing they used to do.
I don't see these two as being related. After buying Blood in the Badlands and seeing that it was a glorified White Dwarf in hardback with fewer adverts, I just didn't see anything to get excited about with Crusade of Fire. I wish it were otherwise, I really do.
To be honest Crusade of Fire is enjoyable. It's the sort of thing that reminds me of their old articles from year's back. You know, the ones they would publish piece by piece in WD over six months?
It's basically a compilation of that - and cheaper than 6 WDs too.
tastytaste wrote: The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.
You make that sound like that's a bad thing?
The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.
And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.
That's my opinion as well. The campaign book I would have liked to see, at minimum, would have been "Here is how you run Planetary Empires." This could include what the various bits and nubbins do, terrain generation charts for each tile type (and of course, what GW Brand Terrain goes on each tile...) and "abstract" rules for playing out other matters happening during the campaign. For instance, if two players are running a campaign against each other, they can move on other tiles with parts of their army, choose a strategy, choose an amount of resources to expend, then roll on a series of charts to determine the outcome. That way the two friends can focus on the important battles but still find out how things are going in the rest of the theatre, like the General personally taking part in one area, then receiving intel on the rest.
A greater book would include further scenarios for Defense, Raid, Battle (hey, anyone remember those from 3e?) and special skirmish rules for smaller games. If you include rules like that, it's a great in for new players as well. Say there's a big campaign at the LGS. New players walk in and say "Cool! I want in on that, but I only has the pocket monies for a single box of these Eldars or Guardsmen." "No problem!" says the GM. "There are skirmish rules for when we hire Mercs to do recon or sabotage missions. Assemble, Prime, and Paint your models with official GW Brand Glue and GW Brand Paints and you can take part in the fun by being a vital part of the campaign!" "Sweet!" says the noob. "How accessable and fun! And these rules! How Cinematic!(tm) I was going to get a Camero, but instead I should give GW ALL of my pocket monies!"
TL;DR I like PE as a tool. Now if only GW would give me a reason to buy them...
I take it there are no new rules for faction specific fortifcations or for the defence line/bunkers?
Sounds like a number of reprinted rules and images from the Aeronautica supplement - which had quite a few reprints fromm previous supplements..................
I looked at Blood in the badlands and again did not buy - this looks similar
Nagashek wrote: TL;DR I like PE as a tool. Now if only GW would give me a reason to buy them...
The reason I haven't bought planetary empires yet is the cheeky business about keeping the hive city tile out of the box and selling it as an extra for £2.50 a time!
The bloody thing is on the cover of the product but not in the box!.
I emailed them my complaint, They did not respond. I protested with my wallet.
I've preordered the crusade of fire book, not received it yet but it sounds like I will like it a lot.
If it gives me the urge to run a campaign I may buy planetary empires... or I may just make do with settlers of catan tiles.
Or buy a map and draw a grid on it...
If only there was a new company selling plastic hex grids that can be stuck on anything?
Looks like you could possibly draw on that with a dry marker to track a campaign??
tetrisphreak wrote: The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.
There are a few pages of rules at the back of the book in addition to the rules in the front, that you probably wouldn't notice from an initial readthrough. I looked at it yesterday in a bit of detail and can't remember what the rules were for offhand, but since there seems to be 60 pages of filler (the playthroughs that should have been in WD) I'd already decided I wasn't getting it.
The UK stores seem to have a lot of copies left
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DarkStarSabre wrote: To be honest Crusade of Fire is enjoyable. It's the sort of thing that reminds me of their old articles from year's back. You know, the ones they would publish piece by piece in WD over six months?
It's basically a compilation of that - and cheaper than 6 WDs too.
I actually used some 1" hex graph paper to do some maps with one time. It worked about the same as using the adjustable tile system of Mighty Empires/ Planetary empires.
They sell it by the pad for around 6-10.00 at staples. The sheets cover a butcher block and can be set up on a standing easal. each hex is an inch, and you can use it in the same way as your 8" X11" paper.
I'm getting interested in the book, by the way. As much as I hate GW, it sounds good that they are starting to do things like this again.
We did a small mighty Empires campaign over the space of a weekend. One of the players didn't show up which threw a spanner in the works (and created something of an imbalance in Order vs Chaos) but overall it was a lot of fun and something I'd want to do again.
I hope this book - whenever BattleFront gets around to shipping it - works for such an event.
I was a little confused when I first got the book as I didn't realize it was an add-on to PE. There are some rules for specific planet "death world" mission types. Which I cannot find in the book. Not sure if those are in the PE rules or not. If someone could shed some light on it, I would be very appreciative. I looked back into my WD's and found the Death World expansion (IIRC it is April 2012). One of the planets in Crusade of Fire is also mentioned there, Alfrost. But no rules for the planet missions in the CoF book or WD's.....
I love the new fliers rules. The fighter ace upgrades are awesome and I can't wait to try out the dogfight rules in a game.
Harriticus wrote: Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.
"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.
You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.
Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.
My local GW Battle Bunker had six copies of Crusade Of Fire to sell upon opening on Saturday, Dec. 1. All six copies were gone within about 90 minutes. Not surprising since it sold out on the GW North America website in less than two days during advance ordering.
There are more than a half dozen copies on eBay right now. Checking the completed listings there shows quite a few copies already sold for $80-$100 and one that went for $150 US. The list price of the book in the US is if I recall $41.25. Glad I got mine by advance order.
Mine is still being shipped and won't be here until tomorrow. Feels lame getting it days late. Boo. They shipped it on time, I'm guessing FedEx is being stupid.
GW uses FedEx ground (not express/overnight) as their basic shipping. They also ship so that advance orders arrive shortly after (not before) release date these days unless it's being shipped for pickup to one of their stores. This has been their policy for about two years now.
Ebay is why making this a limited release is such a bad idea on GW's part. They get less revenue than they would as a full release and the big winners are those that sell it right after receiving it is since they're almost guaranteed to double your money. The effect for GW is that the item is only available for regular sale for a couple of days leaving regulars like myself ticked off because I'm not willing to plop $41 without looking at it first, and there's no way I'm paying $100+ for a rules expansion. I think they're doing this to avoid internet resellers, but this is a stupid way of doing it.
Of course if you do want to sell it on ebay the key is not to hold onto it for too long. The limited release dark vengeance is a perfect example of this. I saw that box going for $175+ soon after release and I managed to get one for $83, about what I would have paid using a discounter.
Unix wrote: ...leaving regulars like myself ticked off because I'm not willing to plop $41 without looking at it first...
Trust me, you're not missing out on much. Unless battle reports and "look at my army" articles are a strong selling point with you, this book is not worth the purchase price. I learned that the hard way with Blood in the Badlands.
I'm actually a very, very big fan of this book. The arena rules look to be a lot of fun, and the demon world rules, if not perfect, are a great starting point for many fun and interesting campaign ideas (much like the majority of the book.) Considering the amount GW fans throw at GW for absolute crap (see 6th edition various collector's edition books) I'm perfectly happy with this purchase.
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Ouze wrote: You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.
Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.
Be realistic Ouze. That's hardly going to happen a second time now is it?
My friend and I sat down and played some arena battles Saturday night (I made laminated maneuver cards) and it was a blast! The strategy and planning of a card game mixes really well for 40K games. In addition we have begun plans to create some indoor terrain to play zone mortalis scenarios, largely influenced by one of the narrative missions in the book. I'm very glad I was able to get a copy.
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Have you ever played at a tournament?
Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.
Guessing the BT flyer's got to be a tip on what to expect in their update, which I can only imagine would be coming soon - you wouldn't provide rules for something that didn't exist, right?
Oh, wait, that's right - this is GW
lol
Got my copy tonight, yet to have a proper look through. Mixed feelings initially as it does feel more like WD content than something worthy of a dedicated expansion rulebook, however that content does seem to be pretty cool from nothing more than a cursory glance. Looking forward to the arena games personally.
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Have you ever played at a tournament?
Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Have you ever played at a tournament?
Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.
How often do you have campaign play at tournaments?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think that's what he was saying Kan.
Then I have no clue why he was responding to someone talking about campaign play.
"Campaign" (aka "fun") play is usually a lot more loose. You'll have a few goombas, but very rarely will people go out of their way to be goombas in campaign play.
When there's prizes at stake (in tournament or campaign play) though, all bets are off...
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Have you ever played at a tournament?
Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.
Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Get real, man. Warhammer is a serious business and there is no place in this game for fun. If you are having fun, you're doing it wrong....
d3m01iti0n wrote: My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"
Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.
I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.
Have you ever played at a tournament?
Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.
Friends?
That seems rather... bleak...
I think "Friends who play 40K" is what he meant.
Obviously I meant 40k Friends.
What I meant is this: Tournament play has no place for this kind of rules, and they can only be used with friends. I think that even if you organised a campaign at the store with randoms, you could have trouble incorporating the non-core stuff. That said, if you have enough friends to pull a fun campaign off, great.
And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.
BrassScorpion wrote: My local GW Battle Bunker had six copies of Crusade Of Fire to sell upon opening on Saturday, Dec. 1. All six copies were gone within about 90 minutes. Not surprising since it sold out on the GW North America website in less than two days during advance ordering.
There are more than a half dozen copies on eBay right now. Checking the completed listings there shows quite a few copies already sold for $80-$100 and one that went for $150 US. The list price of the book in the US is if I recall $41.25. Glad I got mine by advance order.
Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.
If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.
And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.
I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.
It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.
And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.
I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.
It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.
Normally I'm a stickler for tournament-level rules enforcement on every end, but yeah... the books specifically for flexible usage within flexible campaigns. It's not for tournaments (though the arena might make for some pretty awesome ones.)
Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.
If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.
Do UK stores still ship to the US?
I know they used to - but I was under the impression that they stopped international shipping to screw the Australians....
Boomstick wrote: Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FWUK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?
Boomstick wrote: Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FWUK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?
Sweet.
And FW is frowned upon in my area.
Everyone's beary beary sorry that your codex remains old, but please don't sit here and pretend that's the fault of a new campaign supplement, or that it's the fault of that supplement that your playgroup frowns upon FW (which for old armies is one of the few ways for those armies to stay current while they await codex updates).
So I just got my copy in the mail about 2 hours ago and have had a chance to look through it. I definitley think its pretty cool, but I don't know if its worth 42$. I do know its not worth the 80-100$ I've seen it going for on eBay. Still, overall happy with the purchase.
Harriticus wrote: Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.
"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.
You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.
Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.
d3m01iti0n wrote: So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FWUK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?
d3m01iti0n wrote: So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FWUK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?
Sweet.
And FW is frowned upon in my area.
Can't help you with the former.
Regarding the latter, why?
You could always just get a Stormraven and call it a Storm Eagle.....
From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OPFW flyer?
d3m01iti0n wrote: From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OPFW flyer?
At least I assume thats the POV.
Being in the US and having a full FW chaos dwarf army, I get nothing but compliments when I show up with my $2000 army.
Forgeworld isn't always about oh he must be rich so he can get the best stuff, even if you just have the book doesn't mean you can't use the stuff in there, Like I have a friend who runs the Ork Mech list which everyone loves.
I don't know what part of the country you are from but in Arizona people bringing Forgeworld is no problem, even allowed in tournaments at my LGS, just have to ask before you use it.
Also I bought the Crusade of Fire book and highy enjoyed it, will increase the play value of planetary empires.
Also, before anyone gets into the fw vs non-fw argument, someone find Kronk's sig there are pages on that argument.
I will say this, the "hey look at my army" section made me wish I had Imperial Fists instead of my Ultramarines lol. That guy's IF army is awesome looking Only thing I really enjoyed from my cursory glance lol.
Got to look through my copy a little more. The pictures are full of beautiful minis, though alot of the art is from other books (a few new pieces) and the campaign itself isn't anything mind blowing. If you have a guy in your group that likes campaigns then he probably could have come up with the stuff in this book. But for those that don't it gives you a good framework. While the rules for demon planets and the arena are neat, I don't see them as game changing. I doubt we'll see people referencing this book a year from now, but its not all bad either.
So kinda OT but man I lol'd at the Americans going on about how Forgeworld is expensive.. then I cried a little because it is about the same price as buying direct from GW down here
Just grabbed myself a copy, on the assumption that if I didn't I'd end up kicking myself once they were gone. Even if I only end up using some bits out of it with my gaming group, it'll be worthwhile (and after a quick flick through, this should be the case)
One thing about this expansion that I enjoy, other than the pretty pictures, is that it has encouraged me to incorporate zone mortalis missions as well as planetstrike games back into our local gaming group. The increased variety of game types is always a good thing and our local players are pretty receptive of new stuff. Also arena of death is a blast!
Read through last night. I've spent $41US on worse things, that's for sure. The pictures of the players and GW employees everywhere harken back to 4th ed books, and there is a good amount of useable content in there. I know many of the guys I play with will enjoy arena. And I can't wait to start a campaign with a few of my buds.
Alfndrate wrote: Also, before anyone gets into the fw vs non-fw argument, someone find Kronk's sig there are pages on that argument.
Here you go.
I just got the book yesterday, but last night was RPG night and tonight is date night and tomorrow I have a 40k campaign game and Friday is second date night and Saturday is third date night. I'll have to wait and read it this Sunday when I rest.
Unfortunately, if I buy this (now sold out in Australia) book from anywhere outside Australia, it will cause the immediate and catastrophic collapse of the Australian gaming industry. Or something.
Why would I want to beat it? If GW don't want me to purchase their campaign book, that's their loss, not mine. They lose a book sale plus whatever add ons I might have purchased to theme armies for the campaign, and I just don't play this campaign...
When GW decide that having me as a customer probably won't actually bring about the end of the universe and reconsider their current policies regarding internet sales, I'll reconsider whether or not to start buying their product again.
