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New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:39:06


Post by: Kanluwen


No, because it wasn't there...

Interesting.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:39:14


Post by: reds8n


good spot !


Crusade of Fire
Crusade of Fire is a campaign system for Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to join the campaign to control the Corvus Sub-sector. Whether you choose to join the Crusade of Fire itself, the foul Servants of Ruin or the bloodthirsty Prophets of War, the fate of the sub-sector lies in your hands.

This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.


£25.


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New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:41:45


Post by: Alfndrate


If I was playing 40k, I would be very interested

It looks good actually... Idk how many pages are actually dedicated to the campaign since there are detailed batreps and a story of 9 gamers...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:42:06


Post by: Temujin


 Kanluwen wrote:
No, because it wasn't there...


Never stopped us before. I just assumed I wasn't keeping track of the latest rumours.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:43:19


Post by: reds8n


Separate bunkers and emplacements as well
... guess there'll be at least 1 pleased spinning Commisar then eh ?

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New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:43:52


Post by: Kirasu


Looks like an okay book. I think its actually more expensive than FW books page for page for a campaign book tho.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:44:36


Post by: Alfndrate


Too many skulls... D:


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:46:07


Post by: Lansirill


Another friggen LE product?


Edit by Reds8n . bit strong there yeah ?!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:55:13


Post by: Ouze


Wow, this looks like just the thing I would have wanted when I was playing 40k regular. I love the idea of a campaign but am too intellectually devoid to come up with my own. I might get this anyway TBH.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:56:17


Post by: htj


 Lansirill wrote:
Another friggen LE product?.


...Lawful Evil?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 13:56:53


Post by: Ouze


Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:02:01


Post by: htj


 Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.


Ah, of course. Didn't even notice it was limited edition.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:04:57


Post by: pgmason


It seems to be basically a 40k version of Blood in the Badlands, with a similar format. That was an excellent book.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:06:19


Post by: Erasoketa


> book mentions Commorragh

Insta-buy for me xD


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:07:23


Post by: Jadenim


Looks neat; will be getting that once a preorder date is confirmed.

Also, looking at the prices of the individual boxes the big trench line box is about a 30% discount.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:09:06


Post by: Kanluwen


It's up for preorder, right now.

The actual "Advance Order" dates are on the main page for the 40k Advanced Orders.

Ship to a Hobby Centre: The products launch on December 1st. Place your order by midnight Sunday 25th November, choose to have them delivered to your local Games Workshop Hobby Centre, and we'll guarantee they'll be there for you to pick up on launch day - absolutely free of charge.

Ship to any other address: Place your orders by Wednesday 28th November, and we'll despatch it on Friday 30th November. Delivery times may vary according to your chosen shipping method.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:11:44


Post by: SgtSixkilla


 reds8n wrote:
Separate bunkers and emplacements as well
... guess there'll be at least 1 pleased spinning Commisar then eh ?

How can you possibly think that? These are GW products. :p


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:19:41


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I love mostly all GW terrain. Please stop acting as if I've ever said any different or that something being a GW product is a reason for me to hate it. I dislike GW, not the models they make. Pay attention.


Anyway, a campaign book. This stuff is my absolute bread & butter. I am getting this without any hesitation.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:21:17


Post by: Herzlos


 Alfndrate wrote:
It looks good actually... Idk how many pages are actually dedicated to the campaign since there are detailed batreps and a story of 9 gamers...


I'm definitely interested in campaign books, but it's 96 pages featuring "exclusive artwork"* and the above filler, so I'm also curious as to how much of it is actually useful gaming material.


*I'm all for fancy artwork, but it should only be to make the content more appealing, not as content itself and shouldn't be a selling point. I'm interested in campaign and game ideas, all the other fluff is unnecessary.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:22:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 reds8n wrote:
Separate bunkers and emplacements as well
... guess there'll be at least 1 pleased spinning Commisar then eh ?


Well I've got two full Wall of Martyr boxes on the way. The modularity of the bunker will greatly determine whether I get any more.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:24:31


Post by: Herzlos


If it's a limited edition release that's crap, because I don't think I can justify pre-ordering it, and would have liked to see it in the flesh before handing over money that could get me a full rule book in some systems


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 14:25:55


Post by: htj


HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...

Small victories, we take them where we can.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:10:54


Post by: Phaeron


The book looks great and I'll be picking up a copy. The variety of new battlefields is really interesting.

Is anyone familiar with the fluff behind the book beyond what's on GW's page? I don't recall the Crusade of Fire into the Corvus subsector, but I'm hardly an expert. It couldn't possibly be a new occurrence in the 40k universe, could it?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:21:34


Post by: Zweischneid


 htj wrote:
HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...

Small victories, we take them where we can.


I am sure they are devastated.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:25:07


Post by: htj


 Zweischneid wrote:
 htj wrote:
HaHA! Jokes on you GW, I was going to make Dark Vengeance my wargaming purchase on this months paycheck - now I'm going to get this instead. You just cost yourself £35...

Small victories, we take them where we can.


I am sure they are devastated.


Yup. That's, um, kind of the joke.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:26:56


Post by: ShatteredBlade


I had a crusade of fire once. Man,I haven't had Taco Bell since


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:47:19


Post by: brettz123


This is an instant buy for me for two reasons:

1. There past efforts like the Generals Compendium have been really good so there is a good possibility that this might be really good too.

2. If they get a good amount of support we will see more stuff like this which is a good thing in my opinion.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:56:31


Post by: kronk


My group only plays campaigns and we've done the Badab War campaign 4 times now. Looking forward to this one.

Not sure why it's freaking LE, though. Odd.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 15:59:08


Post by: deejaybainbridge


 reds8n wrote:
Separate bunkers and emplacements as well
... guess there'll be at least 1 pleased spinning Commisar then eh ?


Pleased about this. The set looks good but I did not want nor afford the whole thing in one go.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:03:23


Post by: pretre


Wow! Very nice. Count me interested!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:06:53


Post by: kitch102


 Erasoketa wrote:
> book mentions Commorragh

Insta-buy for me xD


Same here, initially I was just interested, then saw Commorragh gladiatorial arena rules... never paid for anything so fast before... how the hell did that happen?!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:15:13


Post by: Brother SRM


 reds8n wrote:
Separate bunkers and emplacements as well
... guess there'll be at least 1 pleased spinning Commisar then eh ?

Oh be still my foolish heart. So glad I'll be able to pick up a couple bunkers without having to get multiple defense lines!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:27:05


Post by: Erasoketa


 kitch102 wrote:
 Erasoketa wrote:
> book mentions Commorragh

Insta-buy for me xD


Same here, initially I was just interested, then saw Commorragh gladiatorial arena rules... never paid for anything so fast before... how the hell did that happen?!




New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:32:34


Post by: reiner


Glad to see even the featured art on that book keeps that "Helbrute Lean" theme going.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:43:46


Post by: ExNoctemNacimur


Was anyone really expecting this?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:48:58


Post by: Harriticus


This came out of nowhere. Our rumors guys are being slowly defeated by the GW Stasi.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:49:30


Post by: Bloodwin


I think it's curious that the terrain bits are not limited edition whilst the 'wall of martyrs' set is. Would it not have been better to put the bits in WD and then announce the bundle offer as a Christmas thing? I expect some folks will be annoyed if they wanted just one part of that bundle and stumped up for the full set. Also the art for the book cover is odd as the arms from the Hellbrute in DV have been switched. I hope this is a continuation of the mini campaign from the box.

This impromptu 40 release makes me think that December is going to be a Hobbit fest.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:52:10


Post by: pretre


Bloodwin wrote:
I think it's curious that the terrain bits are not limited edition whilst the 'wall of martyrs' set is. Would it not have been better to put the bits in WD and then announce the bundle offer as a Christmas thing? I expect some folks will be annoyed if they wanted just one part of that bundle and stumped up for the full set. .

Except practically everyone said (when it came out) that this was similar to other bundled terrain deals that were 'limited edition' in the past and that they were going to release the components afterwards. No one should have been surprised.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:55:51


Post by: Maelstrom808


GW: "We are finally producing another campaign book."

Me: "Awesome news! I freaking love campaigns, can't wait to get this in a couple months when I have the spare cash to pick it up!"

GW: "Ummm....it's only available while supplies last."

Me: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 16:56:41


Post by: pretre


So just order it...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:02:09


Post by: Maelstrom808


pretre wrote:So just order it...



Maelstrom808 wrote:Me: "when I have the spare cash to pick it up!"









New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:05:41


Post by: USMCdeathmachine


Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:06:27


Post by: pretre


 Maelstrom808 wrote:
pretre wrote:So just order it...



Maelstrom808 wrote:Me: "when I have the spare cash to pick it up!"



Credit cards.
edit: Heck, I'll order it for you for a 10% ordering fee.

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 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"

Yeah, because that's all that was listed in the description. Nice try.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:09:11


Post by: Zweischneid


 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"


I think you're confusing this with Black Library's Space Marines Battles Series


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:09:36


Post by: Maelstrom808


 pretre wrote:

Credit cards.


Heheh, tempting, but I try to manage what little money I have better than the US Gov



New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:12:13


Post by: pretre


 Maelstrom808 wrote:
 pretre wrote:

Credit cards.


Heheh, tempting, but I try to manage what little money I have better than the US Gov


Putting $40 on a credit card until you have the cash in a month is certainly not a problem. That is, in fact, what credit cards are for. Leaving that balance on there for longer than a month or two? That's where people run into problems. I use my credit card for almost every purchase I make but pay it off within 30 days without fail.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:12:55


Post by: USMCdeathmachine



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 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"

Yeah, because that's all that was listed in the description. Nice try.


Its just a campaign book, with a couple nice pictures and a battle report. I cant justify dropping 41 bucks on this.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:13:54


Post by: ExNoctemNacimur


Didn't see that it's limited. Why would they do that? It makes zero sense.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:14:47


Post by: pretre


 USMCdeathmachine wrote:

Its just a campaign book, with a couple nice pictures and a battle report. I cant justify dropping 41 bucks on this.

You know how I know you didn't read the description?

This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.


So go ahead and repeat your incorrect assertion again.


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 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Didn't see that it's limited. Why would they do that? It makes zero sense.

Probably because it is just a campaign book and LE is the new black. It is no sweat off anyone's back if they don't get it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:19:07


Post by: megatrons2nd


Is it a hard back pamphlet? I was interested until I realized it is the White Dwarf in size, at twice the price. The content will not likely be much better either, a couple stories from one of their games, a couple odd rules, and a bunch of "buy me" pictures. I'll wait and read someone else's copy, thanks.

Hard back is so worth it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:19:13


Post by: USMCdeathmachine


 pretre wrote:
 USMCdeathmachine wrote:

Its just a campaign book, with a couple nice pictures and a battle report. I cant justify dropping 41 bucks on this.

You know how I know you didn't read the description?

This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.


So go ahead and repeat your incorrect assertion again.


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 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Didn't see that it's limited. Why would they do that? It makes zero sense.

Probably because it is just a campaign book and LE is the new black. It is no sweat off anyone's back if they don't get it.


LOL I read the description I wanna put money half the pictures will be recycled from the codex, The "Massive multiplayer scenarios" will be playing one step below apoc so essentially apoc without superheavies. "gladitorial commoragh scenarios" will have ridiculous rules that make no sense but its cool enjoy your book


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:22:12


Post by: megatrons2nd


Don't you mean a rehash of the old White Dwarf gladiator rules? I still have those somewhere.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:22:27


Post by: davethepak


 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"


wow, you have a copy already!! Dude!!!
Bummer that its that bad, can you post up the ratio of rules to "not really impressive" crap? I would love to see the ratio...
Oh, wait...I thought someone had the book already and made an objective analysis...


On the limited part, perhaps they are testing the waters to determine if a softback version would sell? Or perhaps there will be a campaign set?
I have to admit that part is indeed fascinating.

I will be buying it .. checking now to see if my FLGS will carry it (gotta support the guys house you play at...).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:23:05


Post by: Herzlos


 megatrons2nd wrote:
Is it a hard back pamphlet? I was interested until I realized it is the White Dwarf in size, at twice the price. The content will not likely be much better either, a couple stories from one of their games, a couple odd rules, and a bunch of "buy me" pictures. I'll wait and read someone else's copy, thanks.

Hard back is so worth it.


2/3rds of WD's size (so WD without the catalog), and 5 times the price.

If it's got decent rules/content then I'll buy it, if it's sold out by that point then I won't.

If it was just the rules in the book, with the editorial walkthrough in WD I'd buy it right off, but I'm wary as to how much of it is rules and how much is filler (like the hobby section of the BRB).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:28:31


Post by: Maelstrom808


 pretre wrote:
 Maelstrom808 wrote:
 pretre wrote:

Credit cards.


Heheh, tempting, but I try to manage what little money I have better than the US Gov


Putting $40 on a credit card until you have the cash in a month is certainly not a problem. That is, in fact, what credit cards are for. Leaving that balance on there for longer than a month or two? That's where people run into problems. I use my credit card for almost every purchase I make but pay it off within 30 days without fail.


I keep a credit card for emergencies only. I got myself in trouble years ago with credit and it took a long time to get things squared away. Now I buy what I can afford at the time I buy it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:30:44


Post by: odinfellhammer


It is the 40K version of Blood on the Badlands which in my opinion was a cool product. This was also a Limited Product


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 17:36:16


Post by: Slackermagee


A new campaign book! A new... global... campaign book? Ooooooooooooooh!

Also warming the dark cockles of my heart: I haven't seen any 'rumors' of this at all. No one played the odds on a campaign coming out for community cred and for some reason, I find that notion delicious.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 18:17:46


Post by: timd


 reds8n wrote:
good spot !


Crusade of Fire
Crusade of Fire is a campaign system for Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to join the campaign to control the Corvus Sub-sector. Whether you choose to join the Crusade of Fire itself, the foul Servants of Ruin or the bloodthirsty Prophets of War, the fate of the sub-sector lies in your hands.

This 96-page, full-colour hardcover book features exclusive artwork and a host of dynamic new rules. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer 40,000 game, from massive multi-player scenarios fought in low-gravity environments or in bunkers deep below the ground, to expanded rules for Flyers. It also features rules for playing games in the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh as well as for fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.


£25.



So in other words, the kinds of stuff that used to be published in White Dwarf...

Although in this book's favor, its "only" the cost of 4.1 White Dwarfs (US prices) and you don't have to wade through a couple of hundred advertising pages as you would in four White Dwarfs.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 19:24:58


Post by: vitki


Wonder if this will be going to digital as well?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 19:29:42


Post by: Lovepug13


Pre-ordered this and the £100 wall pack.......should keep me and my pals busy over xmas lol


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 19:38:09


Post by: BrassScorpion


Nobody noticed this?
I noticed it hours ago on the GW website after they posted about it on Facebook.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 19:38:42


Post by: kronk


Mine is ordered!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 20:07:59


Post by: Darth Bob


Man, I wish I had the money to order one as I'd buy it in a heartbeat if I did. What's worse is that by the time I scrounge up the money it will probably be sold out. I hate how they keep committing awesome products to this ridiculous "While Stocks Last" system. It's getting really obnoxious. Oh well, I'm sure someone will post it on the internet somewhere. :\


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 20:09:36


Post by: Alfndrate


 kronk wrote:
Mine is ordered!


Don't taunt me Kronk :(


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 20:10:46


Post by: Noir


What, is it like the Fantasy one, were the campaign. Was a bunch of note from the staff, saying this is how we played the campaign, or a real plotted out campaign.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 20:34:17


Post by: Lansirill


 vitki wrote:
Wonder if this will be going to digital as well?


Well, pretty much every other rulebook GW has released has gone digital so I'm sure this one will to. As an added bonus the digital version won't be LE so you'll be able to see if it's worth your money. Might be a bit hard to find though.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 22:43:15


Post by: insaniak


 Zweischneid wrote:
 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"


I think you're confusing this with Black Library's Space Marines Battles Series

That's not in itself a bad thing. It's also how Dragonlance started...


 Lansirill wrote:
Well, pretty much every other rulebook GW has released has gone digital so I'm sure this one will to. As an added bonus the digital version won't be LE so you'll be able to see if it's worth your money. Might be a bit hard to find though.

I'm not sure that 3 codexes and the WD Bommer rules quite constitute 'pretty much every other rulebook GW has released'...

Besides which, keeping their digital releases to iTunes still leaves it effectively Limited Edition.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 22:50:32


Post by: Shandara


There's a pretty amazing price increase on the separate bits of the wall of martys, if you go by what's supposed to be in the Limited Edition set:
* 3 defense lines
* 2 emplacements
* 1 bunker

131 pounds vs 100 for the LE set

You can also still order the LE edition set on the UK site at least, they've moved it to:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440147a


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 22:57:54


Post by: MagickalMemories


I was just there last night, and those weren't up. Very nice. Seems a bit pricey, though. Then again, consider the maker.

Unsurprised that, also, as suspected by many, the Wall of Cadians is there, broken down into pieces.

Eric


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 22:59:51


Post by: Breotan


Really wish this book was released on iTunes at the same time. :/


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/16 23:42:25


Post by: Kroothawk


Keep in mind the difference between Limited Edition and Limited Supply. The latter gives GW the option to make reruns when they feel like it. A reprint happened with the Fantasy version already. BTW I am also buying this as I am a fan of narrative gaming.
 insaniak wrote:
 Zweischneid wrote:
 USMCdeathmachine wrote:
Not really impressed. lol "we wrote a short narrative of a couple battle reports throw us your money!"


I think you're confusing this with Black Library's Space Marines Battles Series

That's not in itself a bad thing. It's also how Dragonlance started...

... or Forgotten Realms.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 00:00:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I saved a mighty AUD$136 by getting the two wall sets rather than buying all the components individually. And now the big set isn't available on the Aussie webstore.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 00:15:57


Post by: d3m01iti0n


Only one chapter currently crusading. Wonder if GW remembered that and included BT....or just made up dumb gak for everybody else.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 00:18:52


Post by: SoloFalcon1138


Hmmmm... gonna look into it...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 00:20:25


Post by: tuiman


Looks fun, will definitely pick this up, maybe some of the trenches to


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 06:55:28


Post by: DiRTWaL


I hope this is a good campaign that could compare to FW, and at that price I might get it. I also like those sets for the wom that was with it too, I think GW made a really good move.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 07:33:50


Post by: Happygrunt


Well, this looks interesting. I am not sure if I will pick this up or not, but if it is anything like the imperial armor books, I might have to.

It seems to be Imperium vs. Chaos, right?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 11:16:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Only one chapter currently crusading.


Where are you getting that from?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 11:49:33


Post by: wuestenfux


How about the campaign described in the new book. Is it worth playing it? If so, could be interesting for our gaming group.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 14:30:49


Post by: megatrons2nd


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Only one chapter currently crusading.


Where are you getting that from?


When GW uses a book to sell rehashes of content from old White Dwarf magazines. Especially when the low low price of $41 for mostly redone content is the cost. Without looking at this book I will go on record as saying it will have 10-15 pages of pictures mostly new in the fact that they have color added to old pictures. The 5-10 pages of campaign rules from the old 3rd or 4th edition rulebooks. 5-10 pages of charts/tables. 10-15 pages for the redone Gladiator rules from an old White Dwarf for those pesky Wyches. 10-20 pages of redone fluff, mostly the same stories we already have from a different persons point of view. leaving the rest to be filled with White Dwarf style Battle Reports, and the White Dwarf style "this is how are 9 person campaign went" story.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 14:39:35


Post by: wuestenfux


When GW uses a book to sell rehashes of content from old White Dwarf magazines. Especially when the low low price of $41 for mostly redone content is the cost. Without looking at this book I will go on record as saying it will have 10-15 pages of pictures mostly new in the fact that they have color added to old pictures. The 5-10 pages of campaign rules from the old 3rd or 4th edition rulebooks. 5-10 pages of charts/tables. 10-15 pages for the redone Gladiator rules from an old White Dwarf for those pesky Wyches. 10-20 pages of redone fluff, mostly the same stories we already have from a different persons point of view. leaving the rest to be filled with White Dwarf style Battle Reports, and the White Dwarf style "this is how are 9 person campaign went" story.

Now we are talking. The real world can sometimes be frustrating and be far away from expectations.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 14:44:05


Post by: megatrons2nd


I was being a bit generous on most of those. I expect this to be a hardcover White Dwarf, nothing more.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 14:51:20


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


I, for one, am not going to buy this book unless I can be sure it includes interesting new army lists that I can spend hundreds of dollars on and then learn they will be rendered illegal in a couple of months!

(actually, good for them, I look forward to getting the book. Just wish they'd make a campaign that would incorporate the 3 40k systems of regular 40k, epic and BFG).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 17:42:03


Post by: agnosto


timd wrote:


So in other words, the kinds of stuff that used to be published in White Dwarf...

Although in this book's favor, its "only" the cost of 4.1 White Dwarfs (US prices) and you don't have to wade through a couple of hundred advertising pages as you would in four White Dwarfs.


This.

Some of us have been around long enough to remember when WD included things like this. Nobody plays these sorts of things in my area so I won' be buying it; the huge fantasy release (what was it? Maelstrom of Magic or something?) last year saw little use beyond a month at the FLGS I frequent.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 17:49:12


Post by: Necros


Glad they made the wall of martyrs separate boxes now. I'll probably grab the bunker one of these days and add other bits later


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 23:16:09


Post by: timd


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Since when did we start working out the comparative worth of books by comparing them to White Dwarf issues? When did White Dwarf become a standard unit of measurement? WD is a hollow magazine on very nice paper, filled with long-winded multi-page advertisements masquerading as articles, and tons of big glossy pictures and then text explaining what's in those pictures just in case your content-deprived mind was unable to figure it out. This is a rulebook expansion. It's not the same.


LOL, I guess you missed the tongue in cheek...

As agnosto says:
 agnosto wrote:
Some of us have been around long enough to remember when WD included things like this.


This books sounds like it is made up of a bunch of articles from the better White Dwarfs from the old days, that did indeed include articles like the ones in this book. Since a series of campaign articles would have have been spread over a few issues of White Dwarf we need to (in jest) calculate the equivalent cost in White Dwarfs. Since 96 pages of campaign material would have probably been spread out over at least 6 issues (6 x 16 pages= 96), this book is an awesome deal at $41...

This book may well be out takes from WD that would not fit in WD because of the quantity of advertising has completely taken over the magazine.

Tim


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/17 23:44:28


Post by: Platuan4th


odinfellhammer wrote:
It is the 40K version of Blood on the Badlands which in my opinion was a cool product. This was also a Limited Product


Blood in the Badlands was LE? Huh, guess I can wait on this one, too, going by how many copies of BitB are laying around in stores here.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 02:00:00


Post by: whoadirty


Would this campaign book be the "big surprise for Xmas" the rumour mongers were talking about?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 02:21:09


Post by: Eldarguy88


Is that a new bloodthirster in the preview image?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 02:34:43


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


 Eldarguy88 wrote:
Is that a new bloodthirster in the preview image?


It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.

but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 02:36:33


Post by: Happygrunt


 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Eldarguy88 wrote:
Is that a new bloodthirster in the preview image?


It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.

but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.


Yah, that is just a Daemon prince. Looks good though.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 02:36:50


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


In fact, if I'm not mistaken, those kneepads are previous edition fantasy chaos warrior shoulder pads.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 05:12:39


Post by: H.B.M.C.


That's what I was checking, as the knee-pads certainly aren't part of the DP kit. But they are from another kit (Marauders or old Chaos Warriors - unsure which). I know because I use done to make the 'face' of a Scavvy leader for Necromunda (combined with an iron gob from the Ork sprue!).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 07:34:00


Post by: nolzur


 Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.


Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 08:24:44


Post by: Juggalo17


does anyone have any information on the contents? im curious about the new flier rules mentioned... maybe balancing them out a bit?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 08:40:47


Post by: wuestenfux


Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 08:44:29


Post by: Darth Bob


 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.


For three times the original cost.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 09:04:57


Post by: wuestenfux


 Darth Bob wrote:
 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.


For three times the original cost.

Well, I hope not. I want to get it cheaper than the original price.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 10:47:13


Post by: Kroothawk


Platuan4th wrote:Blood in the Badlands was LE? Huh, guess I can wait on this one, too, going by how many copies of BitB are laying around in stores here.

nolzur wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.

Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...

wuestenfux wrote:Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.

Again: It is limited supply, not limited edition. Means: As with Blood in the Badlands there can be reprints if demand is there. GW just made a first printing in China and hasn't ordered a second printing yet.
Oh, and you can't order Space Hulk from GW anymore (was available online for 2 days).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 16:16:12


Post by: nolzur


 Kroothawk wrote:
nolzur wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.

Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...
Oh, and you can't order Space Hulk from GW anymore (was available online for 2 days).


Yeah, that was sarcasm. Using sarcasm to point out the obvious flaw in his argument of GW pushing limited just recently


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 16:38:22


Post by: Kroothawk


 nolzur wrote:
Yeah, that was sarcasm. Using sarcasm to point out the obvious flaw in his argument of GW pushing limited just recently

Wasn't obvious without emotes.

And more recently would be:
Making Codex Sororitas or rules for several big models a splash release.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/18 20:22:01


Post by: Nagashek


Not impressed. This is almost exactly the same description as for Blood in the Badlands, which did not have any support for the Mighty Empires tiles (which would have been an obvious tie in) and barely said anything at all about the campaign or how to build one, maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material. The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf. When I said I wanted a campaign guide for 40k/Fantasy, I meant the General's Compendium, not a hard cover print off of someone's blog.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/19 09:21:25


Post by: narked


No support for Mighty Empires? It was entirely based around using a Mighty Empires map...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 04:34:44


Post by: Happygrunt


So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 07:11:36


Post by: mikhaila


Check with your local game stores. We only just ordered them today, and won't get them until later in the week.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 11:02:40


Post by: Kroothawk


Official release date is 1st December.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 11:39:56


Post by: Panic


yeah,
Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.

I'm excited and expect this to be better!

By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!

Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

That Sucks big Time.
This is the kinda Justified reason why GW should be hated...

Their drop of a hat pre-ordering schemes are a mess!

I sent them this email..
Spoiler:
Sirs,
I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess!
Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it.
40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.

People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last!
When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash!
Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...)
This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...

Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print?
Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy!
Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?

Much Love,
Panic...


Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 12:23:05


Post by: Herzlos


 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.

I'm excited and expect this to be better!

By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!


A lot of that is the sort of stuff that used to be in White Dwarf. Not in a single issue admittedly, but spanned over 2 or 3.

I expect each of those will be a couple of pages of rules and tables, assuming a generous 5 pages a title there it's 35 pages of content. White Dwarf could easily fit 3 x 12 page articles in (they waste more than that each issue with filler :p), or a single 35 page supplement. They won't though, because they can charge £25 for the same thing and the fans will snap it up.

I remain sceptical as to the usable page count until I've seen it though, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this instance because I love the idea of it


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 12:53:15


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Happygrunt wrote:
So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...


Yikes.

Glad I secured my copy.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 13:51:19


Post by: Lansirill


 Happygrunt wrote:
So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...


Welp, looks like unless the store near me happens to have some copies GW won't be getting my $41. Sucks to be them. I thought about getting it, even though it sounds overpriced, but I wasn't going to spend that much cash on something of unknown quality.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/20 16:49:57


Post by: kitch102


Crusade of fire is still available on the UK site.

If any of you johnny foreigners (said with a smirk, I promise) know someone in the UK that can get them sorted for you, you might want to drop them a line, quick style


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/21 02:37:28


Post by: The Crippler


I went to order it tonight, only to find out it was sold out. The least they could do would be to offer it digitally. You'd think they would, but then again, I know enough to not automatically apply logic to GW reasoning.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/21 10:36:50


Post by: Kroothawk


As said, all GW and local stores will have it on 1st December. Supporting your local store doesn't hurt as much as rumours say


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/21 16:39:37


Post by: clively


Personally, I like how they were much clearer on the expected delivery dates this time. If you indicated you would pick it up at the store; then you get it first. If you had it shipped to your house, wait another week.

With 6th, I got mine a couple weeks after it was available in the store simply because I mistakenly thought having it shipped to my house would be better.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 15:25:32


Post by: Panic


Yeah,
So I saw this...
Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
And it kinda rubbed me the wrong way... I hate this Kinda thing, preorders should not sell out all available online stock prior to a products launch.
Maybe it's just my opinion I guess, but I believe that everyone who see's that preorder page should be able to buy it.
I sent GW this email..

Spoiler:
Sirs,
I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess!
Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it.
40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.

People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last!
When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash!
Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...)
This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...

Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print?
Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy!
Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?

Much Love,
Panic...


I got this reply.

Spoiler:
Hi Panic...

Thanks for the email, we are sorry to hear about this issue. We announce all pre orders and their dates in White Dwarf, and we never release anything before the month in question's White Dwarf.

The White Dwarf release date and the first day of pre-orders is always the last Saturday of the month., for example this weekend will be the first time you can pre-order December's releases. During holiday periods this can change, but it will be advertised in the previous month's White Dwarf.

The White Dwarf also lists all the release dates for Games Workshop, Black Library and Forge World releases throughout the month and also on the last page features a hobby calendar which notes all the key release dates and events through that month.

We also announce any pre-orders in our Daily Blog on the website, so we would recommend having a read, as they also look into these new products.

We hope this helps clear this issue and if you have any further questions please feel free to reply back.
Regards
Kyle Workman

Games Workshop Customer Service

tel: 0044 (0) 115 91 40000

Open Monday to Saturday 10am to 6pm


I'm a think I'm a little confused... by this reply.

Crusade of Fire has already gone on Pre-order and sold out in the USA before Pre-Order/WhiteDwarf day.

This happened before with the Gamer Edition of 40k.
It was announced and sold out online before I received my White Dwarf.
My White Dwarf Subscription then came through my door telling me all about a product that looked very good but was already sold out...

??

Panic...




New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 15:29:01


Post by: htj


I suggest you reply and tell him that. Have to say, sounds like he's fobbing you off.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 15:47:40


Post by: kitch102


Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".

At no point did he say anything like "Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".

I realise he's a monkey (sorry Kyle) and not the organ grinder so you'll never get that response, though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 16:00:43


Post by: Panic


yeah,
htj wrote:I suggest you reply and tell him that. Have to say, sounds like he's fobbing you off.

kitch102 wrote:Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".
...though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo
I'm not entirely sure he got my complaint.

So I've replied.
Spoiler:
Sirs,
One of us is confused here?? As far as I know Crusade of Fire was not announced in last months White Dwarf?
It will be 'Announced' in this months White Dwarf. yet it has already been Announced by WD daily online and is available for preorder now.
Before your release dates and before this months White Dwarf launch etc...

And heres the crux of my complaint. It has already sold out in the US GW online store.
Before the US White dwarf has announced it, and Before it has got on general sale, it has sold out online (in the US)!

I think GW is doing something wrong here and are leaving people disappointed when they can't get products.

This is what I'm saying happened here in the UK with the Gamer Edition of 6th edition.
It sold out online in two days. I missed out on that.
White dwarf came a few days later Announcing the released dates of the 6th Gamer Edition that was already sold out.

Thanx for your time, I hope you see what I'm getting at??

Panic...

Lets see if I get a proper answer to the actual complaint this time?

Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 20:10:49


Post by: insaniak


Nope. You'll get a response pointing out that it is still available in the UK, and that the US is a separate business that is run from the US, and so he can't really tell you anything about what goes on over there.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/22 23:02:08


Post by: Micky


 kronk wrote:

Not sure why it's freaking LE, though. Odd.


LE = 33% markup.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 17:54:13


Post by: Panic


yeah,
So I saw this...
Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...
I think this sucks so I sent GW this email..
Spoiler:
Sirs,
I'm a long time fan of GW but your pre-ordering limited edition schemes are a mess!
Space Hulk sold out in a few days! and I was lucky enough to get it.
40k 6th Edition Gamer edition Sold out in two days... This time I was not so lucky and ended up paying £30 for the 10 red dice on eBay, Thanks for that.

People have no idea of when these things will apear or how long they will last!
When GW announces it's limited edition pre orders at random times of the month it's pot luck for some people.. we all don't have bundles of spare cash!
Crusade of Fire has begun to sell out while its still on preorder! (the American GW site lists it as no longer available...)
This doesn't make sense?? This is not how preordering should work...

Why not have preorders run for a month or two prior to launch and get feedback on how many you'll need to print?
Once you know the demand for the product you print that many! everyone gets one! everyones happy!
Doesn't that sounds more like a Preorder system! instead of the 'hurry Hurry.. nope your too late' systems your currently using?

Much Love,
Panic...


I got this reply from GW.
Spoiler:
Hi Panic...

Thanks for the email, we are sorry to hear about this issue. We announce all pre orders and their dates in White Dwarf, and we never release anything before the month in question's White Dwarf.

The White Dwarf release date and the first day of pre-orders is always the last Saturday of the month., for example this weekend will be the first time you can pre-order December's releases. During holiday periods this can change, but it will be advertised in the previous month's White Dwarf.

The White Dwarf also lists all the release dates for Games Workshop, Black Library and Forge World releases throughout the month and also on the last page features a hobby calendar which notes all the key release dates and events through that month.

We also announce any pre-orders in our Daily Blog on the website, so we would recommend having a read, as they also look into these new products.

We hope this helps clear this issue and if you have any further questions please feel free to reply back.
Regards
Kyle Workman

Games Workshop Customer Service

tel: 0044 (0) 115 91 40000

Open Monday to Saturday 10am to 6pm


Which I though a little confusing ... So I wrote to GW again confirming my complaint.
Spoiler:
Sirs,
One of us is confused here?? As far as I know Crusade of Fire was not announced in last months White Dwarf?
It will be 'Announced' in this months White Dwarf. yet it has already been Announced by WD daily online and is available for preorder now.
Before your release dates and before this months White Dwarf launch etc...

And heres the crux of my complaint. It has already sold out in the US GW online store.
Before the US White dwarf has announced it, and Before it has got on general sale, it has sold out online (in the US)!

I think GW is doing something wrong here and are leaving people disappointed when they can't get products.

This is what I'm saying happened here in the UK with the Gamer Edition of 6th edition.
It sold out online in two days. I missed out on that.
White dwarf came a few days later Announcing the released dates of the 6th Gamer Edition that was already sold out.

Thanx for your time, I hope you see what I'm getting at??

Panic...


And Gw replied again and this time looks like the point of complaint was understood.
Huzzah!
Spoiler:
Hello Panic...

Many thanks for your reply. We do apologise and we can understand the inconvenience as the Crusade of Fire book was not listed in the previous White Dwarf. As such we will pass this feedback onto the studio and also the White Dwarf team.

Kind regards,
Scott Edwards.
Games Workshop Customer Service


All I hoped for is that they realise that customers get upset when they don't get the chance to get limited edition stuff especially when it sells out prior to general release...
I think I succeeded a little.

 kitch102 wrote:
..."Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".
I agree we can only hope that GW adopt these better ways of obtaining more money from us... . . . wait!

Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 18:01:14


Post by: Ouze


Wow, I can't believe this sold out already. I added it to my christmas wishlist; I guess I can take it off now :/

I knew it was limited but expected it to be for; I don't know, longer then a week.



New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 19:20:25


Post by: DarkStarSabre


I suppose I'm lucky my FLGS is ordering a number in and I called dibs fairly early on, gave them the money and all.

The whole Limited Edition schtick is getting old. There's really no reason for it, especially with 'campaign' books like Blood in the Badlands and Crusade of Fire which could make a mint if allowed to be sold for a while.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 19:36:56


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well if everybody had actually bought Dreadfleet (instead of leaving them with squillions of unsold copies) I suspect they wouldn't be doing this

If it's as bad as the haters think it will be you'll be able to pick it up cheap on ebay later as folk dump it

if it's as good as the lovers think it will be.... well ouch

If the emails to Panic pan out though, they may be moving towards a limited release window..... ie no limit on numbers, but a limit on how long things sell for (not sure if this is preferable or not, but at least retailers should be able to gamble on stocking up)


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 20:00:12


Post by: Sigvatr


I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/23 20:12:43


Post by: Anung Un Rama


That book took me completly by surprise. I can't believe W actually pulled something like that off. And I am so getting one.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 01:12:43


Post by: H.B.M.C.


*salutes Frontline Gaming*

No AUD$70 book for me!



 Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered


How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 01:32:54


Post by: Happygrunt


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*salutes Frontline Gaming*

No AUD$70 book for me!



 Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered


How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?


Wait, dose Front Line Gaming still have copies for sale?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 01:54:06


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Dunno. I organised this the day it was announced.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 17:43:25


Post by: Sigvatr


 H.B.M.C. wrote:


 Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered


How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?


By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided. So buying something and at the same time saying that the way of distribution is bad seems contradicting to me. Buying sth. is a binary decision - yes or no, not "Yes, but..." or "No, but...".


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 17:47:04


Post by: Alpharius


It isn't that black and white, and I'm sure you know that.

So, what are you up to then?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 20:39:32


Post by: insaniak


 Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.

If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/24 21:03:50


Post by: haroon


 insaniak wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.

If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.


Right. It means you agree "to"the terms but not necessarily "with" the terms.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 00:16:36


Post by: ashrog


I am not going to panic just yet. Dark Vengeance LE sold out pretty quickly on the website, but my FLGS still has probably 5-6 copies on the shelf. Hoping I can still pick this up without resorting to eBay prices.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 02:24:40


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.


Oh hogwash!

As mentioned above, it's not that black and white. Don't be so daft.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 02:45:12


Post by: haroon


Also if you preordered from GW that doesn't guarantee you will get one, a ton of people preordered the limited edition 6th Ed book and never got it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 08:52:47


Post by: Bloodfrenzy187


Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.

If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.

Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 09:18:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.


That would involve thinking in the long term. GW is all about the short term.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 09:42:03


Post by: Breotan


I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 09:45:24


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Some are as into narrative gaming and campaign play as people are tournament games.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 11:07:35


Post by: UltraPrime


 Breotan wrote:
I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.


Yes, but would that have been the case if it wasn't limited?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 11:28:54


Post by: Lockark


I wanted to get Crusade of fire, but couldn't drop the $50 CAD when the preorders went up.

And since Canada is distributed from the US, it means it's now sold out in Canada too....

=/


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 13:00:28


Post by: Sigvatr


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.


Oh hogwash!

As mentioned above, it's not that black and white. Don't be so daft.


It isn't? GW only cares for whether they sell stuff or not. Do you honestly think GW cares the slightest for its customers' wishes? Why do we still have such horrid prices then? Why does GW now plans to have "mini-stores" that prohibit playing or drastically reduce possibilities to play?

I do not say and do not want to say that you guys buy the book because you're fine with it. You buy it because you like the fluff / campaigns. But in my eyes, assuming that GW will care for the grumbling about its way of distribution is a very naive perspective.

Simply put: GW releases something, it's sold out shortly after announcing it. It obviously worked exceptionall well. Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 13:23:06


Post by: Panic


yeah,
 Sigvatr wrote:
... Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.
I don't expect them to stop doing limited editions. No.
But what I would like is for them to be made in more realistic quantities and given release dates that we know of in advance so that everyone has a chance of buying one.

Lockark wrote:
I wanted to get Crusade of fire, but couldn't drop the $50 CAD when the pre-orders went up.
And since Canada is distributed from the US, it means it's now sold out in Canada too....
=/
email GW and register your complaint and disappointment. Only by telling them what we believe they are doing wrong can we hope they will change.

Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 14:47:09


Post by: DarkStarSabre


 Breotan wrote:
I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.


To be honest the problem with this was RL issues and gaming space - there have been two run so far over here. The one attempted at the local GW store got bogged down in gak ranging from the manager insisting on certain types of games being played in a certain way, refusing to consider options for the larger games beyond your standard Saturday megabattle farce and then trying to take over and impose his will when he wasn't even the one running it! (It was me running it, I'd even made map markers, brought in banners etc. for it and here he is overriding rulings left right and centre without even telling me...)

The one run in the FLGS/Club went a lot better as there was more space, people were willing to move tables around and the games could be run as intended.

I expect no less from this. It'll be fun for gaming groups and clubs that want to have a unified push with all involved.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 14:53:41


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


This sort of behavior by the company makes me far more sympathetic towards pdf downloaders.

Also, this sort of thing should be being included in white dwarf, might make it worth buying.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 15:06:44


Post by: Apple fox


Not sure if the right place to ask, but what do people think about the fighting on a deamon world rules we can see? Only 2 page but still was interesting to read I thaght.

The possession counters sound sorta awsome to play with in particular.



New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 16:25:54


Post by: d3m01iti0n


BT flyer rules in CoF book.

http://i.imgur.com/yCN3f.jpg

Thanks to Rogue Soul of Bolter and Chainsword.

Now these seem to be "Fighter Ace" characteristics you can apply to a flyer. Seeing as how BT doesnt get flyers yet Im wondering if were getting updated sooner than we thought or GW is fething us in the ass and making CoF unusable for BT until our update. Lets hope for the former!

Which also means that since GW doesnt bother to advertise content that could potentialy create a sale, I never bothered to preorder the book. Now that a member of their fanbase has done their job for them I now want to buy the book. Oh wait, its sold out. Good job promoting piracy GW.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 16:33:11


Post by: Maxstreel


My search-fu isn't too great but couldn't find if it meant "expanded rules for flyers" meaning all the flyers rules were there or if they were just some additions...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 16:54:17


Post by: osore


Crusade of Fire was particularly disheartening as the store where I work was not going to be allocated any, as told by our GW rep (even asked about getting a few copies just for employees to purchase and still told no).
The rep suggested that any interested employees head on over to GW's site and buy the book direct, as it was going fast.
In fact it went so fast that as the call was ending I was on GW's website and it was already sold out, so that sucked.
I will try some other local stores and see if they will have any available but I am not holding my breath.

First world problems, le sigh.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 19:21:23


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 osore wrote:
The rep suggested that any interested employees head on over to GW's site and buy the book direct, as it was going fast.


I hope you told the party line-spouting idiot that it had already sold out and that this release was botched from the start.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 22:43:21


Post by: Panic


yeah,
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 osore wrote:
The rep suggested that any interested employees head on over to GW's site and buy the book direct, as it was going fast.


I hope you told the party line-spouting idiot that it had already sold out and that this release was botched from the start.



Exactly! Amen...

Panic....


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 22:57:39


Post by: Noir


 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.

If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.

Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.


Becouse it is a Campaign book like Badlands. Meaning a bunch of guys from GW, writing about what they did to play a campaign. Now pick and choose the ideas you like from all the ways we played the campaign, and make up your own.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 23:03:32


Post by: blood lance


Noir wrote:
 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.

If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.

Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.


Becouse it is a Campaign book like Badlands. Meaning a bunch of guys from GW, writing about what they did to play a campaign. Now pick and choose the ideas you like from all the ways we played the campaign, and make up your own.

Except...The 40k market is much bigger than that of the warhammer market. More people would buy a 40k campaign than a warhammer one, heck, They still have blood in the badlands copies in the GW I go to. If they where going to make it LE at least make sure some people can actually get it. Seeing how it lasted what sounds like less than half a day, that could be considered a success and also a failure for them.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 23:23:06


Post by: Anung Un Rama


I never heard about Blood in the Badlands. Was it even released outside of English speaking countries?

H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.
That would involve thinking in the long term. GW is all about the short term.
That's why they destroyed all the boardgames people didn't want to buy, right?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 23:29:17


Post by: Starfarer


I'm not normally one to get worked up about GW's business decisions, and in many occasions have defended their actions in the past. However, as someone who has played GW games for nearly 20 years, this kind of thing really makes me reconsider supporting them. I am not a competitive gamer, and following the latest army trend doesn't appeal to me much. But narrative campaign books do, and I was really looking forward to this. Unfortunately, even though I saw it the day it was released, I waited until after the holidays to worry about picking it up, since you know, I was too busy visiting family and things like that.

Unfortunately, since GW decided to spring this release with no prior announcement, I've missed out on what might be the only release I'm extremely interested in purchasing from them for the foreseeable future. So now I'm basically forced to pirate it if they don't release and non-iOS digital version. Which is besides the point that I want a hard copy, not a digital copy, even if it were free. I think I would write a letter if I thought it would do a bit of good.

Oh well, I guess I just saved a lot of money by not having to support a company that makes it impossible to purchase their products. Back to paying Necromunda for free.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/25 23:45:19


Post by: BrassScorpion


I'm looking forward to getting a copy of this book. I ordered mine at my local GW Battle Bunker and will be getting it this coming Saturday.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 01:31:09


Post by: insaniak


I find my self a little curious as to whether or not you actually get it. Let us know...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 01:32:38


Post by: H.B.M.C.


When/if*** mine shows up I'll tell you all about it.


***In Reecius we trust!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 01:39:57


Post by: Kanluwen


Supposedly, the GW down the street from me has unspoken for copies. I'm debating whether I want to get it or some more Infinity stuff.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 01:45:36


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Get one and then put up a Youtube clip of you slowly tearing the pages out whilst you read the Infinity rules out loud.



New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 01:46:37


Post by: Kanluwen


No way.

I'm broke enough as is, and the only place hiring within a decent distance is the GW shop.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 09:41:55


Post by: pgmason


I wouldn't worry too much about quantities. Crusade of Fire is marked 'While Stocks Last' not 'Limited Edition'. It just means that it was a relatively small print run, not that they will never release it again. If there's enough demand I'm sure they will do another print run, as I believe they did with Blood in the Badlands.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 10:52:39


Post by: Kroothawk


 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I never heard about Blood in the Badlands. Was it even released outside of English speaking countries?

It is still available in German (as a reprint, sold out again in English):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440006a&prodId=prod1390114a


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 18:41:34


Post by: Anung Un Rama


I asked my local store and he still had one. Had.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/26 19:14:57


Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa


 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I asked my local store and he still had one. Had.
My local GW, which is decently sized, has 3 in the stockroom. A pity, since it was pretty decent.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 07:51:23


Post by: MetalOxide


I'd much rather make my own campaign than buy a book for one.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 08:07:27


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 MetalOxide wrote:
I'd much rather make my own campaign than buy a book for one.


Why must it be one or the other?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 10:15:28


Post by: gobbledog


Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 11:14:36


Post by: Panic


Yeah,
 MetalOxide wrote:
I'd much rather make my own campaign than buy a book for one.
you should sell yours... It seems that there will be a market for it soon.


Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 12:51:31


Post by: Herzlos


gobbledog wrote:
Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.


It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 12:55:24


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Oooh! Oooh! I know:

Let's all argue over something none of us know for certain! That's a great use of our time!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 13:25:09


Post by: kronk


I got my email yesterday from GW saying that mine shipped.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 13:55:57


Post by: Nicorex


I did too Kronk. What I didnt get though was a tracking number. So Im pretty sure its just an email that means we have your book and we put it in a box and will be sending it out at some point. Just like what they did for my Chaos marines codex.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 14:49:31


Post by: kitch102


Got my picking & despatch notification on 16th November! Nothing yet though, so I'm guessing Nicorex is bang on.

Hope so anyway, would rather that it didn't go missing!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 16:27:50


Post by: undertow


I didn't see any notice of it being available digitally. Anyone know if they're releasing it on iTunes?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 16:46:10


Post by: d3m01iti0n


My local shop is unsure if theyre getting any copies, but I just reserved one if they do =)


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/28 21:24:26


Post by: gobbledog


Herzlos wrote:
gobbledog wrote:
Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.


It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.



To quote directly from Dec WD, page 38,
"Don't wait to pick up your copy though - Crusade of Fire is only available in limited numbers and when it's gone, it's gone."

Anything else you would care to quibble about?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 03:46:55


Post by: RiTides


 reds8n wrote:
Crusade of Fire also features the story of nine hobbyists as they play through the campaign, including detailed battle reports, fantastic army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their conquest.

Sounds just like Blood in the Badlands which came out for fantasy... a year ago?

That book was a terrible buy. The seige rules took up a few pages... the campaign rules were OK, but only helpful to add onto an existing campaign...

Do NOT lose any sleep over not getting this book, folks. Knowing GW, it is probably done to the same format, and most of the book chronicles what I quoted above- 9 hobbyists playing games. I.e, a long white dwarf, that you're paying a lot more for...

NOT worth it... again, if it's anything like Blood in the Badlands, which it sounds like it is.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 04:34:20


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Loads of battle reports, army show-cases, campaign rules and optional rules/rules expansions? That doesn't sound anything like WD. That's sounds like what WD should be.

WD has none of that. It just has big glossy pictures (with helpful text to tell you what's in the pictures you're looking at), 50-pages of new releases, 14 pages listing every shop and stockist on the planet, and no content whatsoever.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 05:12:18


Post by: Happygrunt


I am calling my local GW on Friday to see if they are getting any in (manager told me to wait unitl then, they wouldn't know before), so hopefully I will be getting a copy to wrap up and put under the tree (For myself, oddly enough)

Although it dose seem stupid to do a Limited Run. Unfortunately, it sold out so fast that GW might see it as a viable plan for the future...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 05:14:24


Post by: RiTides


HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 05:20:56


Post by: Happygrunt


 RiTides wrote:
HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.


Honestly, I am just hoping for IA Light. As long as there is a story, some new rules and good looking pictures, I will be happy.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 06:01:15


Post by: xole


At first I saw it and I got excited because I'm a campaign/special games kind of guy. However, like people have said, caution must be applied when buying GW products.

Fortunately, GW made my decision for me by making it Limited Edition.

I suppose we won't know how it is till it comes out. I'm hopeful.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 09:30:55


Post by: Herzlos


gobbledog wrote:
Herzlos wrote:
gobbledog wrote:
Its a limited edition....once its gone its gone. Also contains 3 expansions for 40k, burning skies, deamon worlds and arena of death.


It's not. It's just a short production run and may reprint if there's demand.



To quote directly from Dec WD, page 38,
"Don't wait to pick up your copy though - Crusade of Fire is only available in limited numbers and when it's gone, it's gone."

Anything else you would care to quibble about?


But that's not a limited edition, just a limited run, not that it's worth quibbling over, so I'll stand corrected. I assumed it was like the previous book where they did a 2nd print run shortly afterwards.

In any case, it seems like a bad idea to release an expansion on such a limited scale, as you can by definition only market it at the people who are able to buy it on release day.

 RiTides wrote:
HBMC- It struck me as a big WD (Blood in the Badlands). I'd be happy to be wrong about the 40K one, though...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And note I didn't say bat reps. I said 9 hobbyists playing games. There's a difference the way GW does it...... and that took up the VAST majority of BitB.


That's what worries me, I'll happily pay good money for a set of campaign rules and scenarios, but I'm not going to pay the same money for a hard back editorial (how we played the campaign) as that is what we should be getting in White Dwarf. My value-for-money proposition is going to be ignoring all the extraneous crap, and if it turns out to be 30 useful pages, I'm going to be thinking "is a 30 page hardback boook worth 25 quid?".


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 10:41:29


Post by: Rayvon


Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 10:48:15


Post by: Saxon


 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.


Not sold out on the UK website...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 11:08:41


Post by: Zweischneid


 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.


Yup. As above. You can still order it from GW's UK website.

It seems more a problem of them not shipping out enough for the US market (and Australia), than it is about limited quantities in general.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 11:33:09


Post by: Saxon


Same happened with the Wall of Martyrs, was reading about it being sold out in US while it was still available of GW UK.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 14:46:09


Post by: Rayvon


 Zweischneid wrote:
 Rayvon wrote:
Well i was very very interested, but its sold out so feth them, thier loss.


Yup. As above. You can still order it from GW's UK website.

It seems more a problem of them not shipping out enough for the US market (and Australia), than it is about limited quantities in general.


ahaa
Thanks for that, seems i had america selected as my country.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/29 19:20:32


Post by: Cruentus


The General's Compendium is my benchmark for supplements of a 'campaign' nature. That book was great.

What I've see from GW since then has been unimpressive to say the least.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 00:14:32


Post by: MdM


I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 00:25:06


Post by: Happygrunt


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


So what your saying is it was not worth the money?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 01:02:04


Post by: d3m01iti0n


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


Let me guess....BT got Fighter Ace rules but still no flyer options outside of wallet-raping FW?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 01:33:36


Post by: Kroothawk


I think the book is not a must buy, but I don't regret buying it. The scenarios in the campaign are nice, esp. the zero-G fighting rules. The one-on-one brawling rules at the end are also fun but not essential. An inspiring book like Badlands.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 01:47:09


Post by: Platuan4th


 Cruentus wrote:
The General's Compendium is my benchmark for supplements of a 'campaign' nature. That book was great.


An infinite amount of this.

GW's latest offerings for "campaign" play are pretty sad.

Also, that picture of the Fighter "options" is laughably pathetic. Pay 50 points for some random die roll! SOOO CINEMATIC!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 01:52:13


Post by: RiTides


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?

Yes, you can Definitely post how the new flyer rules roughly work.

Also, as Kroot says I don't think Blood in the Badlands was necessarily terrible for everybody... there is some character to it, and probably to this 40k equivalent, I just wanted folks to know what they were in for.

A few pages of rules, and a lot of White-dwarf-esque campaign play-through commentary.

I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 02:04:56


Post by: haroon


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


You sir saved me 50$, and I thank you.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 02:34:57


Post by: d3m01iti0n


haroon wrote:
 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


You sir saved me 50$, and I thank you.


Same here. So anybody who doesnt have a flyer through GW yet has to take a backseat on this one eh? So Mr Grey Knight or Mr Necron can go to the local GW and drop $50 to get a flyer and play with his fancy Fighter Ace rolls, but Ive got to get a Storm Eagle or Assault Ram shipped from FW in the UK to the US for almost $200 and then hope Im allowed to use said FW models where Im playing? What a dumbass hobby Ive gotten myself into.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 03:59:58


Post by: tetrisphreak


So how do the 1 on 1 battles work? Is there an "armory" to even up points cost differences between combatants?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 09:29:11


Post by: Herzlos


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


So how many pages do the actual rules take up?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 11:59:58


Post by: Pacific


 RiTides wrote:


I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.


Yes they were awesome, proper tomes full of useful stuff. In fact, I'd say a fair amount of it is probably still usable now with a bit of work.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/11/30 20:38:47


Post by: Platuan4th


 Pacific wrote:
 RiTides wrote:


I have heard that "The General's Compendium" was absolutely amazing... these books are definitely NOT like that one, though.


Yes they were awesome, proper tomes full of useful stuff. In fact, I'd say a fair amount of it is probably still usable now with a bit of work.


I can confirm that, assuming you have the 6th ed book and pdf update for the base Siege rules and the WDs/PDFs with the Skirmish rules. The old Siege rules work just fine with 8th and I still enjoy the occasional ship fight.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 02:26:21


Post by: tetrisphreak


Ok. I got my copy and I have to say overall me and my play group will have some fun with this expansion.

I am also already planning to run a single or double elimination arena battle tournament. It's like combining a card game with 40k and looks very fun.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 10:50:25


Post by: Lovepug13


I got my copy.....

And really this is the sort of stuff that should be in White Dwarf really.

It's ok - but for people that may have missed it sleep easy tonight lol - plenty will be on the bay soon


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 10:54:58


Post by: Sigvatr


Lovepug13 wrote:
I got my copy.....

And really this is the sort of stuff that should be in White Dwarf really.

It's ok - but for people that may have missed it sleep easy tonight lol - plenty will be on the bay soon


Pretty sure you're talking of ebay here.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 13:11:40


Post by: theharrower


It's on eBay for $150 buy it now. No thanks. I was iffy on getting it from GW direct and paying $50. No way I'm dropping more than that, though I am really curious to check it out.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 13:52:12


Post by: mikhaila


I'm just very happy my store has enough coming in. Got a confirmation of another 20 copies coming to me. Not sure how my sales rep wrangled it or if they got more from the UK, but I really don't care, the book looks great. Happy to have enough for folks to get them.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 15:51:39


Post by: Nagashek


 MdM wrote:
I just managed to read the book and i can confirm what RiTides said: only the last pages are dedicated to the fluff and the rules, most of the book is just army showcase, battle reports and artworks copied from the 6ed rulebook, also the new flyer duels are totally random and the players can't do much beside rolling a dice.
BTW can i post how the new flyer rules roughly work?


Just as I posted earlier. :sigh: I hate being right sometimes. GW would make real money if they made a proper, GC level of book for 40k and Fantasy, as most of the people I play with (including nearly all of the tournament players) would love to play a campaign. In fact, not only does it get people buying books and multiple armies, it also increases sales of "sub par" units included in current codecies, as several of them may be useless for "min/max" competitive play, but worth quite a bit for specific objective grabbing and scenario missions that would not be used in a tournament due to time constraints.

Of course, judging by most people's reactions before hearing anything more about the product, GW would have made more money by having the numbers to rope in a few more suckers before word got out about the quality of the product.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 17:21:43


Post by: tetrisphreak


The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 19:57:09


Post by: MdM


 tetrisphreak wrote:
The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.


IIRC only around 20 pages are about new rules, a very small part on a 100 pages book; i didn't meant the last 2-3 pages
Also i misunderstood the flyer duels (i didn't had much time to read the other day): the battle are not random: you have to hide the dice that marks your tactic instead of rolling them. sorry for that wrong info.

If someone is curious about the flyer duels the work in this way: in the movement phase your flyer can declare a chellange to another flyer whithin range, then both players roll a dice and add modifiers based on the direction of the attacker to see if the defender manage to escape the duel. Then there are 3 fight phases, and in every phase every player has secretly to choose a tactic to use (like aiming to the weak point or counter-attacking, in every phase there are 3 different tactics for each player) and then check the table to see the result, (some results allow the attacker to fire a signle or multiple weapons and modify his BS, other allow the defender to evade, escape or even fire back!) If you manage to kill an enemy flyer in a duel you gain an extra victory point
In addition evey flyer gains 2 special ability based on the race that can be used during the normal turns by passing Ld/S/I tests, and you can even buy an ace pilot for 50pts that gives other special rules to that flyer


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 20:11:11


Post by: tetrisphreak


Pages 15-37 are fluff regarding the subsector in which the campaign is fought, and army photos of the designers who participated. The rest of the book is either campaign rules (planetary layouts, special rules, rules for planetary empires tiles, campaign missions) or brand new rules (arena battles, dogfights). So 22/96 fluff, 74/96 content.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/01 21:10:33


Post by: tastytaste


I wrote a pretty lengthy review about the book on my blog if anyone wants to check it out.

My take is that its not worth 41 bucks, especially if you compare it to other products from say Fantasy Flight or DnD, but for GW it is pretty good. There is a lot of filer from my vantage point, but enough real meat to make any player group very happy. My suggestion is split the cost between friends and have fun!

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/12/01/network-news-crusade-of-fire-impressions/


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 01:15:09


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 tastytaste wrote:
The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.


You make that sound like that's a bad thing?

The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.

And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 01:56:52


Post by: Harriticus


Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 06:40:23


Post by: agnosto


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 tastytaste wrote:
The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.


You make that sound like that's a bad thing?

The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.

And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.


I took it more as a warning for those of us that don't buy everything that GW produces...kind of letting us know that it's missing a fairly large component if we want to get the most out of it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 07:10:54


Post by: Grot 6


It is nice to see GW trying to actually go back to the old "SUMMER CAMPAIGN" thing they used to do.

Wish they would have set a team to work and run this through the idea ringer for about a year and actually put some meat on the bones here.

Start out with the book, add in the LE stuff.
Then you need some special characters.

Then you need a specific chapter/ faction. Possibly introduce a new race.

Add in a generic campaign system to add in your Planetary Empires,Battlefleet Gothic, the Planetfall, the Apocalypse stuff, the Citys of Death stuff, and introduce a skirmish game ala Necromunda.

Would have been a money maker, especially with LE Forgeworld stuff for all parties that could come to light.

civilians, some strongpoints, some goals, and the other lickies and chewies that can happen with a dedicated team to make it.

I for one am starting to lose the hate. I still want a good batch of the new chaose cultists, and a few of those other guys from that new boxed set, but other then that, I have enough chaos from the old days to put together a fairly meaty force of around 2,000 pts.

They are silly and stupid, but if they can get themselves together enough to at the very least START to go the right way with books like this, maybe they might have someone in there that is still a gamer, and not all bean counters and corperate shills.


I would like to see GW drop the holier then thouh act and actually go back to things like this.

Not a great book, crap price, but a good start, if they can continue in this line of thinking.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 07:10:55


Post by: Brother SRM


 Harriticus wrote:
Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.

"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 08:46:36


Post by: RutgerMan


I know someone who has got his hands on the book, after some flickering through he immediately Facebook-messaged me that he wanted to tell me something.

This guy has been playing 40k since 2nd ed or something and he is completely blown away about how cool this campaign is, he was planning events for our gaming group but threw it all away when he got his hands on crusade of fire.

To me this was a clear sign that it was good :p going to get it myself somewhere soon, he also mentioned some really cool necron stuff... still in the dark what that was all about :p except that I know that chaos devotees were digging in a necron planet (which we all know isn't good)


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 08:51:38


Post by: Crazyterran


 MdM wrote:
 tetrisphreak wrote:
The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.


IIRC only around 20 pages are about new rules, a very small part on a 100 pages book; i didn't meant the last 2-3 pages
Also i misunderstood the flyer duels (i didn't had much time to read the other day): the battle are not random: you have to hide the dice that marks your tactic instead of rolling them. sorry for that wrong info.

If someone is curious about the flyer duels the work in this way: in the movement phase your flyer can declare a chellange to another flyer whithin range, then both players roll a dice and add modifiers based on the direction of the attacker to see if the defender manage to escape the duel. Then there are 3 fight phases, and in every phase every player has secretly to choose a tactic to use (like aiming to the weak point or counter-attacking, in every phase there are 3 different tactics for each player) and then check the table to see the result, (some results allow the attacker to fire a signle or multiple weapons and modify his BS, other allow the defender to evade, escape or even fire back!) If you manage to kill an enemy flyer in a duel you gain an extra victory point
In addition evey flyer gains 2 special ability based on the race that can be used during the normal turns by passing Ld/S/I tests, and you can even buy an ace pilot for 50pts that gives other special rules to that flyer


You pick the tactic, but I found it interesting. The extra maneuvers you can do seem pretty cool too.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 11:16:59


Post by: Bloodwin


I like it. I got the Fantasy campaign book and the 40k version is just what I expected. Old school campaign stories and fluff and then some fun rules on top. They've even got cut out pages of cards for the arena stuff at the back. It's nice inspiration for how to run a campaign, but rather than make it all fluff centric they've tried to make it player centric. It's the best bits of White Dwarf without the adverts.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 11:51:27


Post by: Breotan


 Grot 6 wrote:
It is nice to see GW trying to actually go back to the old "SUMMER CAMPAIGN" thing they used to do.
I don't see these two as being related. After buying Blood in the Badlands and seeing that it was a glorified White Dwarf in hardback with fewer adverts, I just didn't see anything to get excited about with Crusade of Fire. I wish it were otherwise, I really do.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 12:27:28


Post by: DarkStarSabre


To be honest Crusade of Fire is enjoyable. It's the sort of thing that reminds me of their old articles from year's back. You know, the ones they would publish piece by piece in WD over six months?

It's basically a compilation of that - and cheaper than 6 WDs too.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 13:09:12


Post by: Nagashek


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 tastytaste wrote:
The rules presented are nothing more than an add-on to Planetary Empires.


You make that sound like that's a bad thing?

The Planetary Empires book comes with one of the thinnest rule-sets in the world. It's maybe 2 pages if that, and printed in a billion languages. Anything that expands upon that paltry effort is a good thing in my book.

And no one thinks the book is worth the cost you pay for it, just like the hardback Chaos Codex isn't worth the price of admission. But it's worth it to me, given that to buy it locally would be over $70. It's all relative.


That's my opinion as well. The campaign book I would have liked to see, at minimum, would have been "Here is how you run Planetary Empires." This could include what the various bits and nubbins do, terrain generation charts for each tile type (and of course, what GW Brand Terrain goes on each tile...) and "abstract" rules for playing out other matters happening during the campaign. For instance, if two players are running a campaign against each other, they can move on other tiles with parts of their army, choose a strategy, choose an amount of resources to expend, then roll on a series of charts to determine the outcome. That way the two friends can focus on the important battles but still find out how things are going in the rest of the theatre, like the General personally taking part in one area, then receiving intel on the rest.

A greater book would include further scenarios for Defense, Raid, Battle (hey, anyone remember those from 3e?) and special skirmish rules for smaller games. If you include rules like that, it's a great in for new players as well. Say there's a big campaign at the LGS. New players walk in and say "Cool! I want in on that, but I only has the pocket monies for a single box of these Eldars or Guardsmen." "No problem!" says the GM. "There are skirmish rules for when we hire Mercs to do recon or sabotage missions. Assemble, Prime, and Paint your models with official GW Brand Glue and GW Brand Paints and you can take part in the fun by being a vital part of the campaign!" "Sweet!" says the noob. "How accessable and fun! And these rules! How Cinematic!(tm) I was going to get a Camero, but instead I should give GW ALL of my pocket monies!"

TL;DR I like PE as a tool. Now if only GW would give me a reason to buy them...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 13:35:58


Post by: Mr Morden


I take it there are no new rules for faction specific fortifcations or for the defence line/bunkers?

Sounds like a number of reprinted rules and images from the Aeronautica supplement - which had quite a few reprints fromm previous supplements..................

I looked at Blood in the badlands and again did not buy - this looks similar

very disapointing again


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/02 13:38:22


Post by: Panic


yeah,
 Nagashek wrote:
TL;DR I like PE as a tool. Now if only GW would give me a reason to buy them...
The reason I haven't bought planetary empires yet is the cheeky business about keeping the hive city tile out of the box and selling it as an extra for £2.50 a time!
The bloody thing is on the cover of the product but not in the box!.
I emailed them my complaint, They did not respond. I protested with my wallet.

I've preordered the crusade of fire book, not received it yet but it sounds like I will like it a lot.
If it gives me the urge to run a campaign I may buy planetary empires... or I may just make do with settlers of catan tiles.
Or buy a map and draw a grid on it...
If only there was a new company selling plastic hex grids that can be stuck on anything?


Looks like you could possibly draw on that with a dry marker to track a campaign??

Panic...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 09:03:10


Post by: Herzlos


 tetrisphreak wrote:
The campaign rules and some good mission scenarios are actually roughly 2/3 of the book after fluff and army photos. I don't know where this "last few pages" nonsense comes from.


There are a few pages of rules at the back of the book in addition to the rules in the front, that you probably wouldn't notice from an initial readthrough. I looked at it yesterday in a bit of detail and can't remember what the rules were for offhand, but since there seems to be 60 pages of filler (the playthroughs that should have been in WD) I'd already decided I wasn't getting it.

The UK stores seem to have a lot of copies left


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 DarkStarSabre wrote:
To be honest Crusade of Fire is enjoyable. It's the sort of thing that reminds me of their old articles from year's back. You know, the ones they would publish piece by piece in WD over six months?

It's basically a compilation of that - and cheaper than 6 WDs too.


Not if you've already got a WD subscription


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 12:06:16


Post by: Grot 6


I actually used some 1" hex graph paper to do some maps with one time. It worked about the same as using the adjustable tile system of Mighty Empires/ Planetary empires.

They sell it by the pad for around 6-10.00 at staples. The sheets cover a butcher block and can be set up on a standing easal. each hex is an inch, and you can use it in the same way as your 8" X11" paper.

I'm getting interested in the book, by the way. As much as I hate GW, it sounds good that they are starting to do things like this again.

Hope its a trend.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 12:09:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


We did a small mighty Empires campaign over the space of a weekend. One of the players didn't show up which threw a spanner in the works (and created something of an imbalance in Order vs Chaos) but overall it was a lot of fun and something I'd want to do again.

I hope this book - whenever BattleFront gets around to shipping it - works for such an event.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 15:13:44


Post by: Falco


I was a little confused when I first got the book as I didn't realize it was an add-on to PE. There are some rules for specific planet "death world" mission types. Which I cannot find in the book. Not sure if those are in the PE rules or not. If someone could shed some light on it, I would be very appreciative. I looked back into my WD's and found the Death World expansion (IIRC it is April 2012). One of the planets in Crusade of Fire is also mentioned there, Alfrost. But no rules for the planet missions in the CoF book or WD's.....

I love the new fliers rules. The fighter ace upgrades are awesome and I can't wait to try out the dogfight rules in a game.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 15:32:22


Post by: Ouze


 Brother SRM wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.

"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.


You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.

Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 17:51:14


Post by: BrassScorpion


My local GW Battle Bunker had six copies of Crusade Of Fire to sell upon opening on Saturday, Dec. 1. All six copies were gone within about 90 minutes. Not surprising since it sold out on the GW North America website in less than two days during advance ordering.

There are more than a half dozen copies on eBay right now. Checking the completed listings there shows quite a few copies already sold for $80-$100 and one that went for $150 US. The list price of the book in the US is if I recall $41.25. Glad I got mine by advance order.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 17:56:56


Post by: Zygrot24


Mine is still being shipped and won't be here until tomorrow. Feels lame getting it days late. Boo. They shipped it on time, I'm guessing FedEx is being stupid.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 18:00:09


Post by: kronk


Busiest shipping time of the year.

I have a few things that should have delivered last week that I'm waiting on. Annoying, but there are worse things I suppose.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 18:05:09


Post by: BrassScorpion


GW uses FedEx ground (not express/overnight) as their basic shipping. They also ship so that advance orders arrive shortly after (not before) release date these days unless it's being shipped for pickup to one of their stores. This has been their policy for about two years now.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 18:12:25


Post by: RiTides


People always overpay for these on eBay soon after release.

Wait a month and this will be available cheap, believe me...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 18:26:40


Post by: Unix


Ebay is why making this a limited release is such a bad idea on GW's part. They get less revenue than they would as a full release and the big winners are those that sell it right after receiving it is since they're almost guaranteed to double your money. The effect for GW is that the item is only available for regular sale for a couple of days leaving regulars like myself ticked off because I'm not willing to plop $41 without looking at it first, and there's no way I'm paying $100+ for a rules expansion. I think they're doing this to avoid internet resellers, but this is a stupid way of doing it.

Of course if you do want to sell it on ebay the key is not to hold onto it for too long. The limited release dark vengeance is a perfect example of this. I saw that box going for $175+ soon after release and I managed to get one for $83, about what I would have paid using a discounter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271105496598?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 20:06:19


Post by: Breotan


 Unix wrote:
...leaving regulars like myself ticked off because I'm not willing to plop $41 without looking at it first...
Trust me, you're not missing out on much. Unless battle reports and "look at my army" articles are a strong selling point with you, this book is not worth the purchase price. I learned that the hard way with Blood in the Badlands.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 20:06:38


Post by: lucasbuffalo


I'm actually a very, very big fan of this book. The arena rules look to be a lot of fun, and the demon world rules, if not perfect, are a great starting point for many fun and interesting campaign ideas (much like the majority of the book.) Considering the amount GW fans throw at GW for absolute crap (see 6th edition various collector's edition books) I'm perfectly happy with this purchase.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 20:09:10


Post by: d3m01iti0n


My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 20:36:18


Post by: Lorizael


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 20:39:44


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Ouze wrote:
You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.

Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.


Be realistic Ouze. That's hardly going to happen a second time now is it?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 22:22:20


Post by: tetrisphreak


My friend and I sat down and played some arena battles Saturday night (I made laminated maneuver cards) and it was a blast! The strategy and planning of a card game mixes really well for 40K games. In addition we have begun plans to create some indoor terrain to play zone mortalis scenarios, largely influenced by one of the narrative missions in the book. I'm very glad I was able to get a copy.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 22:26:13


Post by: Alkasyn


 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 22:51:15


Post by: kitch102


Guessing the BT flyer's got to be a tip on what to expect in their update, which I can only imagine would be coming soon - you wouldn't provide rules for something that didn't exist, right?

Oh, wait, that's right - this is GW

lol

Got my copy tonight, yet to have a proper look through. Mixed feelings initially as it does feel more like WD content than something worthy of a dedicated expansion rulebook, however that content does seem to be pretty cool from nothing more than a cursory glance. Looking forward to the arena games personally.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 23:01:56


Post by: Alpharius


 Alkasyn wrote:
 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.


Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 23:39:38


Post by: Kanluwen


 Alkasyn wrote:
 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

How often do you have campaign play at tournaments?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 23:43:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I don't think that's what he was saying Kan.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/03 23:44:35


Post by: Kanluwen


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think that's what he was saying Kan.

Then I have no clue why he was responding to someone talking about campaign play.

"Campaign" (aka "fun") play is usually a lot more loose. You'll have a few goombas, but very rarely will people go out of their way to be goombas in campaign play.

When there's prizes at stake (in tournament or campaign play) though, all bets are off...


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 00:01:08


Post by: Bolognesus


 Alpharius wrote:
 Alkasyn wrote:
 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.


Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...


I think "Friends who play 40K" is what he meant.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 00:08:25


Post by: Happygrunt


I am actually a little disappointed that I couldn't get this one (The Seattle Bunker got ONE copy... ONE!)

Do you think, with the popularity, they might do a reprint?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 00:18:04


Post by: Boomstick


Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 00:46:58


Post by: kitch102


One thing, in the fighter aces section, where's the de? The elder section makes specific mention of craftworld eldar so it cent be that?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 06:26:54


Post by: Balisong


Family Fun Hobbies in Hamilton, NJ received 2 copies today. I purchased one 1 is left.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 06:29:12


Post by: SoloFalcon1138


 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Get real, man. Warhammer is a serious business and there is no place in this game for fun. If you are having fun, you're doing it wrong....


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 08:54:28


Post by: Alkasyn


 Bolognesus wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Alkasyn wrote:
 Lorizael wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"


Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.


Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.


Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...


I think "Friends who play 40K" is what he meant.


Obviously I meant 40k Friends.

What I meant is this: Tournament play has no place for this kind of rules, and they can only be used with friends. I think that even if you organised a campaign at the store with randoms, you could have trouble incorporating the non-core stuff. That said, if you have enough friends to pull a fun campaign off, great.

And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 09:12:18


Post by: Herzlos


 BrassScorpion wrote:
My local GW Battle Bunker had six copies of Crusade Of Fire to sell upon opening on Saturday, Dec. 1. All six copies were gone within about 90 minutes. Not surprising since it sold out on the GW North America website in less than two days during advance ordering.

There are more than a half dozen copies on eBay right now. Checking the completed listings there shows quite a few copies already sold for $80-$100 and one that went for $150 US. The list price of the book in the US is if I recall $41.25. Glad I got mine by advance order.


Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.

If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 11:16:28


Post by: Lorizael


 Alkasyn wrote:


And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.


I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.

It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:


Get real, man. Warhammer is a serious business and there is no place in this game for fun. If you are having fun, you're doing it wrong....


Ah damnit, I keep forgetting to stop enjoying myself when playing games!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 14:32:31


Post by: lucasbuffalo


 Lorizael wrote:
 Alkasyn wrote:


And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.


I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.

It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.


Normally I'm a stickler for tournament-level rules enforcement on every end, but yeah... the books specifically for flexible usage within flexible campaigns. It's not for tournaments (though the arena might make for some pretty awesome ones.)


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 14:45:42


Post by: stormboy


Herzlos wrote:


Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.

If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.


Do UK stores still ship to the US?

I know they used to - but I was under the impression that they stopped international shipping to screw the Australians....


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 17:07:56


Post by: d3m01iti0n


Boomstick wrote:
Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.


So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 17:15:12


Post by: lucasbuffalo


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Boomstick wrote:
Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.


So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.


Everyone's beary beary sorry that your codex remains old, but please don't sit here and pretend that's the fault of a new campaign supplement, or that it's the fault of that supplement that your playgroup frowns upon FW (which for old armies is one of the few ways for those armies to stay current while they await codex updates).


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:00:25


Post by: squall018


So I just got my copy in the mail about 2 hours ago and have had a chance to look through it. I definitley think its pretty cool, but I don't know if its worth 42$. I do know its not worth the 80-100$ I've seen it going for on eBay. Still, overall happy with the purchase.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:02:40


Post by: Manchu


 Ouze wrote:
 Brother SRM wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.

"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.


You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.

Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.
Quite simply masterful. *slow clap*


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:05:19


Post by: Alpharius


I read that whole thing in the 'Old Spice' guy voice... and it was awesome!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:09:31


Post by: Dysartes


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.


Can't help you with the former.

Regarding the latter, why?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:18:02


Post by: Falco


 Dysartes wrote:
 d3m01iti0n wrote:
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.


Can't help you with the former.

Regarding the latter, why?


You could always just get a Stormraven and call it a Storm Eagle.....


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 18:50:54


Post by: d3m01iti0n


From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OP FW flyer?

At least I assume thats the POV.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 19:05:17


Post by: pities2004


 d3m01iti0n wrote:
From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OP FW flyer?

At least I assume thats the POV.


Being in the US and having a full FW chaos dwarf army, I get nothing but compliments when I show up with my $2000 army.

Forgeworld isn't always about oh he must be rich so he can get the best stuff, even if you just have the book doesn't mean you can't use the stuff in there, Like I have a friend who runs the Ork Mech list which everyone loves.

I don't know what part of the country you are from but in Arizona people bringing Forgeworld is no problem, even allowed in tournaments at my LGS, just have to ask before you use it.

Also I bought the Crusade of Fire book and highy enjoyed it, will increase the play value of planetary empires.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 19:31:58


Post by: Alfndrate


Also, before anyone gets into the fw vs non-fw argument, someone find Kronk's sig there are pages on that argument.

I will say this, the "hey look at my army" section made me wish I had Imperial Fists instead of my Ultramarines lol. That guy's IF army is awesome looking Only thing I really enjoyed from my cursory glance lol.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 20:04:00


Post by: squall018


Got to look through my copy a little more. The pictures are full of beautiful minis, though alot of the art is from other books (a few new pieces) and the campaign itself isn't anything mind blowing. If you have a guy in your group that likes campaigns then he probably could have come up with the stuff in this book. But for those that don't it gives you a good framework. While the rules for demon planets and the arena are neat, I don't see them as game changing. I doubt we'll see people referencing this book a year from now, but its not all bad either.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/04 21:40:14


Post by: Hulksmash


Turns out my FLGS has at least one left so I've got them holding it for me to pick up in the next few days

I like the idea of campaign rules (even beginner ones) and something that supplements my Planetary Empires.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 01:46:19


Post by: jonolikespie


So kinda OT but man I lol'd at the Americans going on about how Forgeworld is expensive.. then I cried a little because it is about the same price as buying direct from GW down here


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 13:24:58


Post by: narked


Just grabbed myself a copy, on the assumption that if I didn't I'd end up kicking myself once they were gone. Even if I only end up using some bits out of it with my gaming group, it'll be worthwhile (and after a quick flick through, this should be the case)


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 14:09:32


Post by: tetrisphreak


One thing about this expansion that I enjoy, other than the pretty pictures, is that it has encouraged me to incorporate zone mortalis missions as well as planetstrike games back into our local gaming group. The increased variety of game types is always a good thing and our local players are pretty receptive of new stuff. Also arena of death is a blast!


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 15:58:28


Post by: Zygrot24


Read through last night. I've spent $41US on worse things, that's for sure. The pictures of the players and GW employees everywhere harken back to 4th ed books, and there is a good amount of useable content in there. I know many of the guys I play with will enjoy arena. And I can't wait to start a campaign with a few of my buds.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 19:19:24


Post by: kronk


 Alfndrate wrote:
Also, before anyone gets into the fw vs non-fw argument, someone find Kronk's sig there are pages on that argument.


Here you go.

I just got the book yesterday, but last night was RPG night and tonight is date night and tomorrow I have a 40k campaign game and Friday is second date night and Saturday is third date night. I'll have to wait and read it this Sunday when I rest.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 20:26:52


Post by: Alfndrate


 kronk wrote:
Sunday when I rest.


Are you God?


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 20:39:24


Post by: kitch102


^^^ Lol.

Just in case anyones missed it, Wayland have over 100 copies available

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/crusade-of-fire/prod_19196.html


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 21:04:45


Post by: Herzlos


108 still left, and even at £21.25 I'm undecided on it.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 21:06:19


Post by: insaniak


Which is great for Wayland.

Unfortunately, if I buy this (now sold out in Australia) book from anywhere outside Australia, it will cause the immediate and catastrophic collapse of the Australian gaming industry. Or something.

Yay for GW.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 22:26:44


Post by: kitch102


Maybe, maybe not.

Had an idea on a potential way to beat that, created a thread here so as not to take this one off topic

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/492955.page


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 23:49:34


Post by: insaniak


Why would I want to beat it? If GW don't want me to purchase their campaign book, that's their loss, not mine. They lose a book sale plus whatever add ons I might have purchased to theme armies for the campaign, and I just don't play this campaign...

When GW decide that having me as a customer probably won't actually bring about the end of the universe and reconsider their current policies regarding internet sales, I'll reconsider whether or not to start buying their product again.


New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire @ 2012/12/05 23:58:33


Post by: kitch102


Fair play, though as there are those that do, it seems foolish of me not to suggest a way that they might be able to save money.