Me personally I really cant accept the way all the current space wolves have to have dickensian mutton chops- i want to play as space vikings not space victorians.
Abhorash15000 wrote: Me personally I really cant accept the way all the current space wolves either have to have dickensian mutton chops- i want to play as space vikings not space victorians.
So you use helmets...? My roomie uses Space wolves and they seem pretty savage to me dude, making them long haired and blue eyed pale men will make them just like blood angels with a different symbol and choice of animal. Making them savage wolf men who are ugly makes sense to me. they resisted a change of being consumed by the fenris geneseed and being turned into a wolf...
Abhorash15000 wrote: Me personally I really cant accept the way all the current space wolves either have to have dickensian mutton chops- i want to play as space vikings not space victorians.
So you use helmets...? My roomie uses Space wolves and they seem pretty savage to me dude, making them long haired and blue eyed pale men will make them just like blood angels with a different symbol and choice of animal. Making them savage wolf men who are ugly makes sense to me. they resisted a change of being consumed by the fenris geneseed and being turned into a wolf...
Seems legit
I like my characters to have facial expressions otherwise helmets all round would be fine. In the old editions it was only bloodclaws who had mohawks and there were no mutton chops. I dont imagine them all to be blue-eyed as it clearly says in the fluff that they look different depending on what part of fenris they come from-i paint mine with yellow eyes like a wolf, but i personally imagine them with braids and no muttons- much like the current codex cover. As for blood angels all having long hair and blue eyes i'm not sure thats the case at all fluffwise. I think the new fluff is also trying to make them a bit different with sanguinus now having black hair if i recall hh correctly, though in my mind he will always have brown eyes and blonde hair.
Yeah as a vc player myself I have been long awaiting a reappearance of this guy with a new model- it looks like it was moulded out of playdough by a toddler
He looks like an Opera singer. And what is with GW's inability to make a realistic looking haft for their Crozius's? They managed to do it for the DV Chaplain, but it seems every other one they make it twice as large as it needs to be.
LOL! Actually, that never dawned on me... but now that you mention it... in the bin he goes.
The haft on the crozius thing is (and has nearly always been) ridiculous. I don't' care how strong he is... a grot with a broom stick could knock that thing out of his hand. I'm guessing that somewhere in the depths of GW that design on the outside of the haft has become cannon & their sculptors aren't good enough to do it on a normally sized handle.
Mine would have to be the current Abaddon. Warmaster of the Black Legion, leader of black crusades and an integeral part of the current story line. And yet his model is out dated, clunky looking, smaller and now available in finecast D:
I am not at all fond of the Bloodthirster, actually, he looks unstreamlined, irregular, too hairy, and the tusks don't look like something you could actually gore anything to death with. On the bright side, I don't have a Daemons force, so I don't need to worry about an alternate model.
Probably the Mutilator. Also the Dark Eldar slaves are a bit....bizarre. They look surprisingly nonchalant for slaves of the Dark Ones of Commorragh, and have a rocking set of abs....
Wow, the Sisters have gotten some really awful models. I usually remember the Dialogus, who I have to agree is one of the worst they've ever made.
It's kinda surprising, because the Sisters actually have some really cool models too. The Hospitaller is a great model. The banner/simulacrum bearers. Heck, they have some really characterful Superior and Cannoness models too. It's like somebody at Games Workshop went off the thematic deep end and produced some just awful, awful models. Penitent Engine, the Pipe Organ Artillery Tank, Dialogis, Repentia... And who could forget this monstrosity. Not technically Sisters, but wow. http://rolltohitclub.wordpress.com/tag/karamazov/
Nagash, though Fantasy, is horrendous, and has been around for something like 15 years without an update.
Storm Raven gets the nod as one of the worst vehicles, because in the modern era of modelling, it has no excuse to be so awful. Talk about ungainly and unflightworthy.
But you can live your 8 year old dream of a whole army of Rambo.
Shhhh, we don't talk about those. We just try the best we can with mods and better paint-jobs (because aside from the bad models they're made worse with GWs not so complimentary paint schemes)...
Scorpiodragon wrote: Ragnar is just terrible, he should have had a resculpt with the second wave of space wolves. I just hate his model.
Yes he's not even in the correct scale anymore and his pose is rubbish- same goes for all the space wolves characters that have been around since 2nd ed imo- they're aweful. Ulrik is who I want to see resculpted most with some rules that fit his fluff(has never happened imo). But then again I hate the new ones with a passion too so... I mean lukas looks like a bloody leprechaun! Arjac is their only saving grace but even he's not that great..
The Grey Knight baby carriage hasn't been mentioned yet? It's a terminator wearing a mechanical diaper with a robot attached. Awful. At least that sister has the excuse that it's old.
timetowaste85 wrote: The Grey Knight baby carriage hasn't been mentioned yet? It's a terminator wearing a mechanical diaper with a robot attached. Awful. At least that sister has the excuse that it's old.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Wow... this thread again... and from the new complaints department head, too...
Hormogants. No matter how you pose them, they always fall over.
Sorry if this thread is a common one guys- despite playing 40k for quite some time I only joined dakkadakka yesterday. Solofalcon, everyone else in the thread seems to be enjoying taking part- you are the only one who seems to have an issue-you dont have to take part if you dont like the thread. As for me being 'the new complaints department head' well I was just trying to provoke some interesting conversation thats all, and besides that, I thought that title belonged to you seeing as i've seen you in other threads and all you ever seem to make are condescending and arguementative comments- you dont seem to be very popular, and i've noticed that after only 1 day on dakka dakka. Maybe give the attitude a rest then you might not have to call yourself Solo-falcon anymore (I assume you call yourself that cos no one can stand to hang around and deal with you).
I am not at all a fan of the plastic daemon prince. I mean it's nice that they came out with a non boat-anchor plastic version, but god that thing is cheesy.
It's the poster child for today's over-done, over-cluttered, personality miniatures. Give me simple, clean lines over this crap any day.
TR
Who will be converting an old SM Chaplain figure to make his Dark Apostle model....
I agree. That iron halo thing over his head is completely impractical- what if he needs to dive and roll during combat?- disastrous.
Well, he is meant to stand out and inspire the traitors. Besides, why bother to dive and roll when you can just grab a cultist?
Is it me or does he look like he has toilet paper stuck all over him from the stall?
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On the Dark Apostle front, the Chosen Champion with mace in the Dark Vengeance boxed set is actually a perfectly acceptable substitute.
it does look bad, and its supposed to be supersonic?! the wings arent swept at all, the turret at the bottom and the tail look way too clunky and out of place, if the assault cannon were moved to the engine pods and the dorsal fin was removed completely then it would look ok....
....but they could have just released a lightning or thunderbolt instead
I remember reading an interview with the sculptor (Morley I think) and he agrees with you. The end result we all hate so much was actually a crappy version he made to prove a point, and GW went with it instead of the better, less-clown like original.
Gitsplitta wrote: LOL! Actually, that never dawned on me... but now that you mention it... in the bin he goes.
The haft on the crozius thing is (and has nearly always been) ridiculous. I don't' care how strong he is... a grot with a broom stick could knock that thing out of his hand. I'm guessing that somewhere in the depths of GW that design on the outside of the haft has become cannon & their sculptors aren't good enough to do it on a normally sized handle.
The problem is their decision to use finecast. Finecast resin is particularly flimsy and bendy, and any thin parts warp terribly. Thats why the paper on the 'purity seals' is so thick, and why the haft of his weapon is so thick. Any thinner, and they'd never come out of the mold in an acceptable state.
"Hey, maybe Space Cossacks won't be totally stupid and ridiculous?"
"You think so?"
"Its worth a shot."
"OH GOD WHAT HAVE WE DONE"
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
Seriously though, I think the Vostroyans better fit the 40K imagery than any other Imperial Guard force, and I'll be collecting them after my Nurgle force is up and running. But then, I think the Stormtalon looks cool so what do I know?
"Hey, maybe Space Cossacks won't be totally stupid and ridiculous?"
"You think so?"
"Its worth a shot."
"OH GOD WHAT HAVE WE DONE"
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
Seriously though, I think the Vostroyans better fit the 40K imagery than any other Imperial Guard force, and I'll be collecting them after my Nurgle force is up and running. But then, I think the Stormtalon looks cool so what do I know?
I love the Vostroyans and the valhallans for that matter. Na Zdrovie I drink to them.
but the Harlequin troope (aside from the Death jester) are my least favorite looking models
Surprised no one has pointed this out yet, so I guess I will. That is Velma from scooby do.
"Now let's see who it really is!"
"Jinkies! It's Alpharius!"
I love the line of models from the 80s//early 90s by GW that involved dragons. It's a classic and certainly looks better than some of the most recent releases...
hotsauceman1 wrote: She has a whip and pointy breasts, Someone is so making a joke about a certain type of enjoyment with that fig,
WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNONT BE UNSEEN!
You're now on the list of people i have to do bad things to because they've shown me horrible stuff. Don't worry though you're in good company. Up there with FOX news and my friends i walked in on once.
Models i do not like are...
This monstrosity
This monstrosity
And the monstroisty that is Mr "Oooh im a statue yet im scared and have to clamp my legs together inward in a rediculous fasion".
Given the whole fluff around this guy as a mystic overlord who watches the stars, I expected something like an astronomer or something akin to a wizard-character, not some cyclopean robot-monkey wearing a bagel around his face jumping over rocks with an enourmous whippy tail between his legs. The only redeeming feature about it is the little scarabs on the rocks but the rest is atrocious.
Are those badly sculpted goggles or insanely badly sculpted eyes? Is that a 25mm base she's standing on? She covers maybe a fifth of that, so the model itself is too slim. What's the thing around her neck?
I'm surprised she gets to be a SoBHQ, because she clearly isn't human.
is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as 80's charm and character. Unless by 80's charm and character, you mean conceived and spawned in the deepest pit of hell.
give me old models vs new models any day of the week!
I love the stuff GW made in the 80s, its all wonderfully cheesy yet so awesome...
it had charm
they lost their charm, so I just can't bring myself to start another army i can never make because they are such a bore to paint...having painted them all
Why?! Why would you make this thing? It's lanky power armor carrying a guy in power armor. Ugh I hate it.
Incorrect, that is a pretty impressive model. Not to mention, if you dont like how it is stock, then a few VERY simple modifications and presto, its a whole different looking model. The DreadKnight is an awesome model. Me least fav model/s would probably be the entire Catachan range. feth sake those look terribad. I always wondered why they kept THOSE guardsmen over the mountain of other COOL guard armies from the past. I mean.....Tallarn would of be soooooooooo much better. Those guys STILL look like BAMF's
Why?! Why would you make this thing? It's lanky power armor carrying a guy in power armor. Ugh I hate it.
Incorrect, that is a pretty impressive model. Not to mention, if you dont like how it is stock, then a few VERY simple modifications and presto, its a whole different looking model. The DreadKnight is an awesome model.
Agree. I don't get why people hate on that model so bad.
Why?! Why would you make this thing? It's lanky power armor carrying a guy in power armor. Ugh I hate it.
Incorrect, that is a pretty impressive model. Not to mention, if you dont like how it is stock, then a few VERY simple modifications and presto, its a whole different looking model. The DreadKnight is an awesome model.
Agree. I don't get why people hate on that model so bad.
If it looked slightly more "heroic" and "knightly" and less "mech-pilot" I think it would do better.
Nothing says intimidating like "Raaaar! Look how big I am!!!!!!!1111!!"
Iranna.
That model is older than you. Please go to the back of the room and be quiet. Njal still looks as cool as ever after 20 years.
The model looks silly in the pictures, but in person it actually looks pretty impressive, especially considering how old it is. There are FAR worse models than that out there.
Also, people are mixing up badly sculpted (eg, this was made with play-doh/looks fugly) with badly designed (eg, the Dreadknight's lack of protection). You may not like the design decisions of the Heldrake, Forgefiend, Thunderwolves, etc, but you have to admit that they were sculpted spectacularly.
In terms of piss-poor sculpting, clearly the Ork Cheerleader wins the day (even if it is fething hilarious ), followed closely by Nagash and then the Sister Dialogus (which is a shame, as the GW model is actually quite well painted, but the sculpt completely ruins it).
Those figures are the reason I chose ogres and vampire counts over skaven. I saw some pictures of them, loved the concept art and I almost seemed to remember liking the figures, then I saw those things and just imagined most of the models looked like those and chose another army.
is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as 80's charm and character. Unless by 80's charm and character, you mean conceived and spawned in the deepest pit of hell.
is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as 80's charm and character. Unless by 80's charm and character, you mean conceived and spawned in the deepest pit of hell.
Sounds like someone born in the 90's!
Or like someone being critical of a super serious gripe-thread... lol
SgtSixkilla wrote: There is no such thing as 80's charm and character. Unless by 80's charm and character, you mean conceived and spawned in the deepest pit of hell.
Erm, I was conceived in the 80s, now what are you trying to say? Huh!?
is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as 80's charm and character. Unless by 80's charm and character, you mean conceived and spawned in the deepest pit of hell.
Sounds like someone born in the 90's!
Or someone who lived through the entire decade, and hated every second of it. The clothes, the music. the cars, the "style".
The mutilator is easily the worst thing they have made recently.
As for older stuff that they still make in the 40k range I submit for your approval. (very sorry for picking people gallery images, I think your paintjob on these awful models are great)
But you can live your 8 year old dream of a whole army of Rambo.
that's really insulting to rambo/stalone man.
stalone was ripped. these guys look like greg valentino (google image it if you dont know what im talking about)
Automatically Appended Next Post: this thread started off great but took a turn for the stupid when people said Sguard, astorath etc
Sguard is an awesome kit. the nipple thing is showing your immaturity IMO. they are sculpted like a roman gladiator or legionary armour. you could just sand/cut the nipples off if it really bothers you.
kb305 wrote: this thread started off great but took a turn for the stupid when people said Sguard, astorath etc
No, it started off great and it ceased being great to you when it bashed things you like.
I don't like nipples on my armor either. I also don't like the back parts of the IG flak vest that serve no function outside of helping attach vox units and such to the model. Because of that I saw them off and smooth it down to look like they were never there. You can bet that if they had nipples on those vests I'd sand them off too.
Does that make me immature? No, it makes me someone with an opinion.
Isn't the Mutilator an old body sculpt (Oblits) with some new arms, or did they really sculpt a new matching fugly body to match the old ones?
Mutilators/Oblits are the ugliest things, although any model with random muscle bundles connected to the wrong piece of anatomy is in the same fail category.
The Mutilators are all new, they look really close to Oblits but some things are different, the one that stands out for me is that the heads are different, there are some bionics on the Oblits. I do have to agree that they are really ugly for new models.
CrashCanuck wrote: The Mutilators are all new, they look really close to Oblits but some things are different, the one that stands out for me is that the heads are different, there are some bionics on the Oblits. I do have to agree that they are really ugly for new models.
...Wow. I always wondered about that.
Pretty inexcusable for new models. I wonder what water heard looked at the master sculpt and said "hmmmm this looks good!"
kb305 wrote: this thread started off great but took a turn for the stupid when people said Sguard, astorath etc
No, it started off great and it ceased being great to you when it bashed things you like.
I don't like nipples on my armor either. I also don't like the back parts of the IG flak vest that serve no function outside of helping attach vox units and such to the model. Because of that I saw them off and smooth it down to look like they were never there. You can bet that if they had nipples on those vests I'd sand them off too.
Does that make me immature? No, it makes me someone with an opinion.
someone called them "twlight marines" so by that logic space puppies are also "twilight marines". atleast blood red>baby blue.
sanguinary guard is an extremely customizable kit. if you dont like the wings, leave them off. if you dont like the nipples, sand them off.
i dont see how you could argue Sguard for "worst sculpted GW mini". the poses are nice, the sculpts are nice, the options are nice.
▲ I think you're right kb. Sang guard and such aren't bad sculpts at all, it's just that some don't like them. And I think you're correct to differentiate between "worst sculpts available" and "models I don't like". There are plenty of terrifically sculpted models, that I really don't like. Actually, you could probably put my original post of mutilators in that category. They aren't terribly sculpted models, I just don't like them.
I'm actually starting to feel a bit guilty about this whole thread. Dunno about you guys, but I certainly couldn't sculpt any of these models.... suppose I'm not paid to, right enough.
I think a lot of the models mentioned could just generally do with an update/resculpt. Mutilators aren't particularly aesthetically pleasing but then they are supposed to look quite hideous, the fur on the wolves is a problem for me though. I like the model's overall but the fur just looks too spikey... but that might just be the way its painted and not so much the sculpt.
Surely there is a difference between a bad sculpt, i.e. a figure which is badly proportioned, has poor quality detailing, etc and a badly designed figure. The sister dialogus is a perfectly technically good miniature but it just looks like a librarian shouting. I think it's quite refreshing compared to all the silly tight tops, fur bikinis etc that female miniatures tend to have. It's not inspiring but it is at least different. Same with the dark apostle, it's a fine technical sculpt but too busy for some.
There are some genuinely bad figures, poorly designed with pathetic features and slovenly attention to detail. They are rare but think of Eldar wraithguard, old dark eldar warriors, etc. They are bad figures not badly designed figures.
Baby-Carrier (Dreadknight), the Chibi-Hawk (Storm Raven), the Space-Guppy (Stormtalon), the Pumbagore (Razorgore) and Mutilators. All terrible, or terribly disappointing, or both.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Baby-Carrier (Dreadknight), the Chibi-Hawk (Storm Raven), the Space-Guppy (Stormtalon), the Pumbagore (Razorgore) and Mutilators. All terrible, or terribly disappointing, or both.
You forgot Fabulous Ones (Flayed Ones) and Dark Soprano (Dark Apostle). Though to be fair, at least I could see the idea behind the soprano...its just that the execution is laughable, although easily corrected with a modelling knife.
Created what is one of the few (or perhaps the only) Guard unit that actually looks like it belongs in 40K, rather than some period piece. It’s rare that GW does something that looks like the Blanche’s scribble-art stuff, but the Vostroyans are a good example.
They’re more 40K than most things are.
And yes, it appears that Kaldor and I can agree on something...
Look at them. LOOK.
And this was before I could get the checker patterns and Blade Runner-esque bands of warpaint on them. But yet, they're also awesome at the same time. While not readily available from GW, they can be found on the secondary market, so could these count?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: You forgot Fabulous Ones (Flayed Ones) and Dark Soprano (Dark Apostle). Though to be fair, at least I could see the idea behind the soprano...its just that the execution is laughable, although easily corrected with a modelling knife.
TBH I don’t mind the Dark Apostle. Yes he’s overly busy, but the model itself ain’t bad.
The Flayed Ones? Yes, terrible. So is Lukas the Trickster. So is Wolfy McWolferson riding his Giant Wolf whilst using Wolf Claws. That guy was bad from concept through execution...
Kaiserbudheim wrote: Look at them. LOOK.
And this was before I could get the checker patterns and Blade Runner-esque bands of warpaint on them. But yet, they're also awesome at the same time. While not readily available from GW, they can be found on the secondary market, so could these count?
...That mohawk marine is one evil looking melon-fether.
alanmckenzie wrote: I actually kinda like Captain Al'rahem. But I had a thing for the Tallarn range.
That's not Captain Al'rahem. That's just the regular Tallarn Lt.
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Kaiserbudheim wrote: Look at them. LOOK.
And this was before I could get the checker patterns and Blade Runner-esque bands of warpaint on them. But yet, they're also awesome at the same time. While not readily available from GW, they can be found on the secondary market, so could these count?
I've got like 12 squads of these guys. Some of the first minis I ever got!
Fantasy goblins- big heads, little bodies, static pose. This is my most unfavorite. There are other sculpts that are horendous but these are the worst to me.
Every time I see gk I don't get the intended impression of " they're carrying so much stuff cause they're super stwong!" but rather "they're fumbling around trying to carry all their equipment."
wysiwyg gone wrong.
Honorable mentions are the sisters organ of goofiness and I can't believe nobody mentioned the inquisitor guy with the big typewriter machine.
Am I the only one thinking you can't do anything more toyish, childish and moodless than XV8? I mean Helldrake, Dreadknight or Stormtalon looks like a piece of art next to it and Mutilator scream with grimdark, imo.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I miss 3rd Daemonettes They were what Slaanesh was about. But then GW got prudish...maybe they were afraid that they would receive the DnD treatment.
I also miss the cloven hooved bloodletters, for that matter; they looked like they could kill stuff, you know?
Welcome to the anime cliche scene Plum... unfortunately it was kinda innevitable. There was a demand and GW provided... unfortunately FW does better looking ones imo... what worries me is that its sorta leaking into other armies, the dreadknight, the penitent engine, FWs Contemptor dreads...
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I miss 3rd Daemonettes They were what Slaanesh was about. But then GW got prudish...maybe they were afraid that they would receive the DnD treatment.
I also miss the cloven hooved bloodletters, for that matter; they looked like they could kill stuff, you know?
Awh gak, my opinion on a model I think is ugly is incorrect. I guess I better go back to studying what makes something look good or like a [see forum posting rules] with legs.
I'm aware the thread says worst sculpted, but no one seems to be following the literal meaning of the title
Hate the entire thing, looks out of place in an Imperial army to me. The pilot is ridiculously unprotected (Terminator armour fails to protect the face when no helmet is equipped) and the whole mecha-suit thing was already fulfilled by the Dreadnought.
Its so bad, people dont buy it they just make their own LoL
So so very true! I don't know of any IG player who uses the GW Marbo; they've all made/kit-bashed one of their own...me included!
I use one of the IG "Vasquez" models for my Marbo
As to terrible models... really pick and choose from the Sisters line... some of our visual design ugh... I really like the Repentia despite all the crap they get for being bondage smut in model form, but the Mistress of Repentance, the Dialogous, and several others out of the SoB range. *shudder*
JbR of the Endless Spire wrote: Welcome to the anime cliche scene Plum... unfortunately it was kinda innevitable. There was a demand and GW provided... unfortunately FW does better looking ones imo... what worries me is that its sorta leaking into other armies, the dreadknight, the penitent engine, FWs Contemptor dreads...
Seeing 40k as a ridiculous clash of various tropes in an endless war, I kind of like anime thrown in the mix. Those tropes/ ripoffs usualy recieve an grimdark/ awesome/ badass treatment though and for me often end up better than the source material. Can't say that about Tau sadly, firewarriors look ok but that's about it and there is no grimdark at all in Tau design.
There are even a few anime movies I really dig like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example, still XV8 is bad like closer to general Daimos or other kids anime sold to cheap TV channnels rather than any serious anime series and the latter btw often contain a lot more grimdark than Tau, what a shame GW. Yep FW Tau suits look better but current GW plasticCrisis suit is an abomination, you have to bath it in acetone and cut with large IKEA knife to make it resemble something meant to fight in only war universe.
Also, I actually think the Avatar of Khaine is badly sculpted for the flaming epic Eldar War God piece that it is supposed to be.
The other models I almost put up here had awkward poses or proportions, such as the Incubi, Grotesques, Sicarius, the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines
I was kinda frustrated when I put a CSM next to a Cadian and the Cadian was taller. But then I converted everything.
Awh gak, my opinion on a model I think is ugly is incorrect. I guess I better go back to studying what makes something look good or like a [see forum posting rules] with legs.
I'm aware the thread says worst sculpted, but no one seems to be following the literal meaning of the title
You sir, need to chill out. I disagreed with your stance on a cool model.
I've been away from this for awhile, so my opinion doesn't really matter, but I have always disliked the Necron range. Just something about it I couldn't stand.
So GW on average produces great models, but aunforniatly the line is dotted with abominations.
First up is this necron lord, not fancy enough for an army leader, the warscythe looks awful and I'd bet good money on the cape rotting away over the time periods the crons operate within:
ugly!
