Looking around for an Inquisitor stand in on gw I found this:
Why the feth is the guy on the far right holding a fish? What is the practical battle application of a fish? So what is the oddest gw model you have seen
I think we should be more concerned about the gent on the left with his puppet... at least the guy on the right has his marbles and is planning for when he gets hungry...
As every IRC-user can attest, trouts are dangerous blunt weapons and certainly preferrable to the lighter sardine, even though the latter is small enough to be dual-wielded.
The guy with the handpuppet is fine, but the fish rates a mention...?
IIRC, the fish thing was a bit of an in-joke in Mordheim. They popped up all over the place in the artwork, and it started carrying over to the miniatures. So sort of a Mordheim version of the Servo Skull, which popped up so often in John Blanche's artwork that they eventually incorporated them into the 40K fluff.
The guy with the handpuppet is fine, but the fish rates a mention...?
IIRC, the fish thing was a bit of an in-joke in Mordheim. They popped up all over the place in the artwork, and it started carrying over to the miniatures. So sort of a Mordheim version of the Servo Skull, which popped up so often in John Blanche's artwork that they eventually incorporated them into the 40K fluff.
The Freelancer (which is my favourite Mordheim model) had a fish nailed to his shield.
TheAngrySquig wrote: Looking around for an Inquisitor stand in on gw I found this:
Why the feth is the guy on the far right holding a fish? What is the practical battle application of a fish? So what is the oddest gw model you have seen
Fish were an over-riding theme in Mordheim. Dead fish in puddles, signs with fish on them, people eating fish, fish hung from belts, etc. It was kind of an inside joke or something I think. Damn, now I want to start a new Mordheim campaign...
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Chaos toilet is weird, but this is still the silliest thing GW make.
I keep looking at that thing, and every time I do I look at the arms and wonder "How is those suppose to turn left and right?"
If you examine the actual model you will see it has a wide array of possable motions given the joints. Its not as horrid as it looks on the GW website.
The Chaos Toilet is supposed to be silly though, and comes from a time when GW did that stuff intentionally. They are quite collectible now, wish I could afford one.
If we're including fantasy figures the Razorgor has to be one of the sillier current releases.
Tyr Grimtooth wrote: I think all the old 80's heavy metal Noise Marine models are just crap. Sonic weaponry in the future is not going to be an axe shaped electric guita!!
I'm not too put off by it either, although it could use some layout-readjusting. The paintjob does help, I think. But I wouldn't be surprised if it had awesome rules.
Seriously. Look at his fething face. It is as if the people who made the model actually read the fluff entirely beforehand, and just slapped a big HURRDERPFACE on him in protest.
I wish someone had a link to the old Necromunda House Goliath guy that had the Melta Gun in one hand and a stub pistol in the other. The worst part about that model is what he's wearing on his head. He's got a chainsaw hat. It looks absolutely rediculous. And he's dressed like Sean Connery was in the movie Zardoz.
Roadkill Zombie wrote: I wish someone had a link to the old Necromunda House Goliath guy that had the Melta Gun in one hand and a stub pistol in the other. The worst part about that model is what he's wearing on his head. He's got a chainsaw hat. It looks absolutely rediculous. And he's dressed like Sean Connery was in the movie Zardoz.
Strangely no pics of this figure exist in the Solegends database. This is the best one I could;d track down from a quick google image search (though the left arm is converted)
Howard A Treesong wrote:They are particularly badly painted. What's with those muscles, that isn't what skin remotely looks like. The figures themselves are ok.
I always thought that the figures are to blame for how the paint set in. It appears as if there'd be weird lines cut into the belly of the Battle Sister. Makes it look as if it was some sort of lid, detachable from the torso.
Well. At least it shows us how many muscles a Sister hides under all that armour.
Also, lol @ chainsaw-head
I could see this work in a weird movie a la Mad Max.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah. Guitar Noise Marines were the best Noise Marines.
Hell, with GW trying to (in many cases, shamelessly) dig up things from their past, you'd think these gems would make a comeback, but no, they had to bring back fething orange space monkies instead.
TheAngrySquig wrote: Looking around for an Inquisitor stand in on gw I found this:
Why the feth is the guy on the far right holding a fish? What is the practical battle application of a fish? So what is the oddest gw model you have seen
Why TF is one of the guys holding a puppet!? I mean, the fish is weird but going into battle with a puppet takes the cake for me. (I feel it must be like the fallout penny comics)
Fafnir wrote: Hell, with GW trying to (in many cases, shamelessly) dig up things from their past, you'd think these gems would make a comeback, but no, they had to bring back fething orange space monkies instead.
Jokaero are cool. Guitar marines are a bad inside joke, and the sooner everyone forgets about them, the better.
about 12 years ago my buddy made a whole rock band, including a stage on the back of a battlewagon he converted for those noise marines, and the grot rockers. had a drummer, a volcalist, and even light up stage lighting. was pretty bad ass. zero in game use, but it looked friggen awsome. wish i had pics.
I love most of the silly models GW produces. They keep with the tongue in cheek aspect of 40k as a whole.
Those are really a symptom of Eavy Metal painters either not knowing how to paint, or being instructed to poorly paint, female skin. Or skin in general. Too many hard lines and harsh highlights. A softer approach to the skin shading would yeild a better end result on those. Not that they're not terrible models, but a better paint job would do wonders. For their use though, as Vects slaves, it's hard to call them 'silly', merely 'bad'.
Fafnir wrote: Hell, with GW trying to (in many cases, shamelessly) dig up things from their past, you'd think these gems would make a comeback, but no, they had to bring back fething orange space monkies instead.
Jokaero are cool. Guitar marines are a bad inside joke, and the sooner everyone forgets about them, the better.
Personally, I prefer the Noise Marines that came after the Guitar Marines: the ones with daemonic faces. However, Guitar Marines are still cooler than Jokaero. Those things look ridiculous, and not in a good way. Most people on here think the Guitar Marines are great-only 2 of you so far have disliked it.
I'm actually a fan of that, except for that awful paint
That's actually what makes it great! I'm glad there's a throwback to this sorta paintjob in the Chaos codex; there's a Slaanesh Marine in there with like three patterns of tiger stripe and leopard print on him, he rules.
The Razorgor is my vote for goofiest GW model. A lot of it comes down to the bug-eyes and how they're painted though:
That's actually what makes it great! I'm glad there's a throwback to this sorta paintjob in the Chaos codex; there's a Slaanesh Marine in there with like three patterns of tiger stripe and leopard print on him, he rules.
The Razorgor is my vote for goofiest GW model. A lot of it comes down to the bug-eyes and how they're painted though:
Hehe, those things always make me burst out laughing in real life. ^^
Looks like the "ZOLTAN Machine that shrinks Tom Hanks in the film Big" It certainly doesn't look like a supreme Overlord Necromancer who is pure evil?
It's bloody awful!!!
Wasn't there a story by the models sculptor about why it was so bad?
The story about the head is that the original sculpted was too scary or something so the sculpter did another goofy silly looking thing... and they actually accepted it.
I don't know if that is true but in all honesty, the way the rest of it is sculpted isn't great either. There are some good conversions using the Necron Nightbringer though.
Looks like the "ZOLTAN Machine that shrinks Tom Hanks in the film Big" It certainly doesn't look like a supreme Overlord Necromancer who is pure evil?
It's bloody awful!!!
Wasn't there a story by the models sculptor about why it was so bad?
The story about the head is that the original sculpted was too scary or something so the sculpter did another goofy silly looking thing... and they actually accepted it.
I don't know if that is true but in all honesty, the way the rest of it is sculpted isn't great either. There are some good conversions using the Necron Nightbringer though.
The left one is a chick. The right one is a Battle Sister who failed to martyr herself.
It could be a Battle Sister from a short story I happened to read. Five of them guarding a small shrine on some backwater agri-world that came under Dark Eldar attack, a huge raider-mounted force arriving through the Archon's webway portal. This one sister quickly realized there was no hope of fighting through so she stripped out of her armor, put on some clingy clothes and strapped a holy relic to her thigh before surrendering. A vortex grenade... She was picked up by the Archon himself and shortly thereafter the Archon's Raider and the webway portal onboard disappeared. A heroic space marine chapter arrived to cleanse out the rest of the poor Dark Eldar later, trapped on a stupid empty planet as they were.
Roadkill Zombie wrote: I wish someone had a link to the old Necromunda House Goliath guy that had the Melta Gun in one hand and a stub pistol in the other. The worst part about that model is what he's wearing on his head. He's got a chainsaw hat. It looks absolutely rediculous. And he's dressed like Sean Connery was in the movie Zardoz.
Strangely no pics of this figure exist in the Solegends database. This is the best one I could;d track down from a quick google image search (though the left arm is converted)
Here's my unconverted one...
I love this mini, for the same reason I love the movie 'Bloodsport'... it's cheesy and over the top, and just silly enough to be amusing. Chainsaw hat!!!? Sign me up
DarthSpader wrote:i dunno...i think this one deserves the top prize.... a female...with a beard...and a big rolling pin? like WTF...?
Ogre women aren't supposed to fight, so she's in disguise.
The best part was that the fake beard was a separate piece.
Back to the range that started this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490061a&prodId=prod1120049 Top row, fourth from the right, foot in a bucket and head beeing eaten by a fish. How is that for silly?
The weirdest miniatures made by GW are not this one, but most of the original 80's miniatures made by Kevin "Mad Dog" Addams. He made at least twice as many models as any other designer at the time, and that was AFTER half of his production was rejected.
Might be why he ended up in a mental institution in the 90's..
Seriously. Begone. There is no way you can be gone too fast, or for long enough of a duration.
Hey, um, just thought I'd check something...
You're talking about the model or its paintjob, not the person you quoted, right?
No, definitely the person.
That is one of the most epic, iconic models/paintjobs in 40K. Anyone who doesn't understand its universe shattering awesomeness should be nowhere near 40K.
Seriously. Begone. There is no way you can be gone too fast, or for long enough of a duration.
Hey, um, just thought I'd check something...
You're talking about the model or its paintjob, not the person you quoted, right?
No, definitely the person.
That is one of the most epic, iconic models/paintjobs in 40K. Anyone who doesn't understand its universe shattering awesomeness should be nowhere near 40K.
He has lime Green Hooves, Leopard print skin armor and a fething volcano coming out his head. The model itself is silly but awesome but the paintjob... For me it is stupid. However we are all entitled to our own opinions.
saw that yesterday, and I'm inclined to agree. If they wanted a three-man vehicle with large plasma weapons, it should've been something similar to a predator. (plasma cannon sponsons and an executioner turret). This one's not too bad: it looks like a stormtalon crossed with a valkyrie, which is a good thing. It's how the stormtalon should have looked.
The only problem with the Stormtalon is the oversized underslung assault cannons. If you mount those somewhere else, or use smaller ones from another kit, it looks great. Really 'attack helicopter-ish'
Now tell me. Once you land there, how exactly do you get off the pad?
No elevator, no ramp, no stairs and if there's a ladder there I'm not seeing it. So it's a landing pad WITH NO WAY ON OR OFF EXCEPT FLYING!
Epic design fail...
er, they could jump it and hope they don't break much?
One excuse is it could not be for valks to drop off proper ground troops, but snipers or heavy weapons teams, then have them sit up there shooting away, safe in the knowledge that they can't possibly be attacked by the guys they're shooting.
... still pretty darn useless if it's that specialised
Nevelon wrote: I eagerly wait seeing the chaos-ified, noise marine version of that speeder. Preferably with leopard prints and 80's hair.
Someone needs to do it. No idea what it could be fielded as though...
Could field it as a rhino with havoc launchers: just make sure the footprint is the proper size (rhino sized base) and you're good to go. Make it fit in the army well enough, make it themed, nobody will give you gak.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Still looks pretty hard access for heavy weapons, terminators, ogryn....
The model was designed to go with the Valkyrie, it is silly however to use it for anything else if you want realism, but it's easy enough to try and realise 40k isn't great for scaling....
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Still looks pretty hard access for heavy weapons, terminators, ogryn....
The model was designed to go with the Valkyrie, it is silly however to use it for anything else if you want realism, but it's easy enough to try and realise 40k isn't great for scaling....
Fine, you win this round. But i still have the Donkey Cannon!
Kaldor wrote: The only problem with the Stormtalon is the oversized underslung assault cannons. If you mount those somewhere else, or use smaller ones from another kit, it looks great. Really 'attack helicopter-ish'
Yep. Not to mention for me the stormtalon looks better for me than the new DA flying church.
I can forgive some of the older ones that are evidently made with a hint of amusement in there. It's the modern models like the new DA where they are trying to make good models that look like total crap!
Karamazov is literally the most 40k model ever sculpted. He's huge, overwrought, laden with detail, has not one but two servitors with him, there's skulls everywhere, it's a vehicle that is in no way reasonable or logical, and he still expects to hit people with his sword from it. That model is silly as hell, and it IS 40k. If someone were to ask me to show them something that represented 40k in one model, it would be Karamazov. It's silly, stupid, and completely awesome.
I'm currently stripping one of those models to repaint for a friend. I think it's an excellent model, just because it shows the madness that is the ordo hereticus/xenos/etc to its full extent.
To explain the sword, think of it as purely symbolic (like a Judge's wig)
There are some really silly models in the old imperial guard, most of "colonel schafers last chancers" are silly, especially when you look at the names:
Colonel Schaeffer,
Grease Monkey,
Shiv,
Scope,
Warrior Woman,
Hero,
Animal,
Brains,
Fingers,
Rocket Girl,
Ox,
Demolition Man.
I always hear the benny hill theme when i look at those figures..
Automatically Appended Next Post: And don't forget old Pimp Daddy himself, Lord Solar Macharius... Blinding enemies to death since rouge trader..
tracer wrote: And don't forget old Pimp Daddy himself, Lord Solar Macharius... Blinding enemies to death since rouge trader..
That model wasn't actually introduced until 2nd or 3rd edition ...
I used him in 2nd a bunch of times as he was the only way for IG to get a strategy rating that wasn't crap, was pretty sure I had him during my rouge trading days too but then again I could be going senile..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Regardless, he sort of looks like C3PO dressed up as a pimp..
Yeah that Macharius model first showed up during 2nd Ed.
I kinda wish I had all the last Chancers. I’ve got about half of them (Warrior Woman, Rocketgirl, Brains, Scope, the two guys who look like Commissars/Mordian Officers). The rest are good though, and would be great for Dark Heresy...
I have the set, but only because I won them... when they were released, the local GW store ran a competition to design your own Last Chancer - build a model and give them rules. First prize was the box set.
A decade or so later I'm finally painting them up, for use as a Necromunda Van Saar gang...
Guitar marines are a bad inside joke, and the sooner everyone forgets about them, the better.
Indeed.
Both the heavy metal Noise Marines and the "Goffik Rokker" Orks are from GW's "Rawk and Roll!!!111!!" era. Old timers will recall that as being the late '80s to the early '90s. All the studio staff sported mullets or "big hair", GW had their own in-house rock band, White Dwarf featured polls inquiring about the reader's taste in music, and the then rare GW stores usually had piped in too loud metal as their ambiance music. This was also when GW did some of their best work as far as fluff writting and miniature design, but as someone who has always been very straight laced" I could have done without the extras.
It was a dark time best forgotten!
As for my vote as to silliest model, how do the '93 series World Eater Assault Marines grab you?
What's up with the one bare leg?
I must not think they are too silly as I just painted up a whole squad of them with Chapterhouse "heresy era" jump packs as my "counts as Raptos" unit.
Guitar marines are a bad inside joke, and the sooner everyone forgets about them, the better.
Indeed.
Both the heavy metal Noise Marines and the "Goffik Rokker" Orks are from GW's "Rawk and Roll!!!111!!" era. Old timers will recall that as being the late '80s to the early '90s. All the studio staff sported mullets or "big hair", GW had their own in-house rock band, White Dwarf featured polls inquiring about the reader's taste in music, and the then rare GW stores usually had piped in too loud metal as their ambiance music. This was also when GW did some of their best work as far as fluff writting and miniature design, but as someone who has always been very straight laced" I could have done without the extras.
It was a dark time best forgotten!
That was a great time. I'd rather have that than the cold cynical corporate behemoth they are now.
In the context of the 40k universe, wherein you have to compete with all manners of power armour, mechsuits, airplanes, tanks, giant mechanical demons and robots... this guy said "bring me my spear and help me onto my horse".
In the context of the 40k universe, wherein you have to compete with all manners of power armour, mechsuits, airplanes, tanks, giant mechanical demons and robots... this guy said "bring me my spear and help me onto my horse".
With all that going on, it's a wonder that horse can support his massive adamantium balls.
That was a great time. (The "Rawk and Roll!!!!!111!!! era at GW) I'd rather have that than the cold cynical corporate behemoth they are now.
Actually I agree.
As annoying and silly as all that was, it also represents one of the best times the company had as far as quality of product and value for money. I would gladly trade the enviorment of photos of mullet wearing staffers glowering at the camera, WD ads for jumped up garage bands, and occasional music polls for the questionable business practices, insane prices, and the like of today.
You have clearly all failed. Kneel before Nazdreg!
Aside from his awesome power claw oft used for Chaos Champions, this model has exactly zero redeeming qualities. It looks nothing like the inspiring artwork, looks like he's trying to hug you, and seems to lack humanoid proportions. This model is straight up awful, and only gets promoted to silly by virtue of his ridiculously out of scale power claw.
And as for our good friend, the Noise Marine. Come on. You're all just jealous that you didn't think to paint your Marines in leopard print. And as Necromunda taught us, 38 000 years in the future, mohawks are still cool.
ScooterinAB wrote: Aside from his awesome power claw oft used for Chaos Champions, this model has exactly zero redeeming qualities. It looks nothing like the inspiring artwork, looks like he's trying to hug you, and seems to lack humanoid proportions. This model is straight up awful, and only gets promoted to silly by virtue of his ridiculously out of scale power claw.
And then you realize it's from 2nd edition or earier, where all Orks and their artwork looked like that, and then realise it's only old, not silly.
I do not remember that model coming out during 2nd Ed (and it's not 1st Ed either). It must be a 3rd Ed Ork - early early 3rd Ed or very late 2nd Ed (like, Sisters of Battle Codex late).
H.B.M.C. wrote: I do not remember that model coming out during 2nd Ed (and it's not 1st Ed either). It must be a 3rd Ed Ork - early early 3rd Ed or very late 2nd Ed (like, Sisters of Battle Codex late).
Earliest appearance in a catalogue for him appears to be 1998, so very late 2nd ed.
The saddest part about that model is that it could be somewhat mediocre instead of horriterribad (although even the best painting of that model has never actually been good), if only GW would put forth the effort of getting an artist that doesn't suck to paint it.
nixspit666 wrote: I feel this model would be better if the front gunner was removed.
but I agree this looks ridiculous.
looking at it, the "bonnet" (hood to you americans) is the fron section, right?
Well, there's no way that gunner can sit in that turret what with the lack of horizontal space, so he'd be standing- and there's no way he can stand with an engine being there.
The model might be turned from the "seriously, are you trying to make the most ridiculous vehicles now?" level of fail to "okay, someone messed up a little here." if they got that gunner and stuck him where the stupidly placed WTF-worthy stained glass section is. It'd also save them money on sculpting, what with it already being there in the other speeders. Alternatively, they could mount it as machine-operated- not under it like the original speeder- too large vertically as-is, but maybe instead of where the weird antennae thing is in front of the driver on the side (maybe on the opposite side).
Also, I'm wondering how many ridiculous conversions you could make with the executioner DJ pit... Leman russ turret, maybe even a baneblade cannon (I'm bad with judging scale)
Because it's difficult to move at a decent pace whilst still allowing Brother Cupolus to fire the awkwardly placed turret while kneeling, the Imperium has changed the designation of the Land Speeder to the Land Slow-to-moderate-speeder.
I can kinda picture him kneeling, but that can't be fun in that space at high speed and trying to aim that beast of a gatling gun.
Would've worked better in the stained glass area.
BaronIveagh wrote: No, THIS is the silliest one. That one at least uses big guns.
what makes that model that much sillier is the gunner's still there- what's he doing now, watching porn on his monitor?
If they were going to make it optional to remove the plasmas and shove a mini-church on it, it should have made it set into the circle where the gunner was, not stick it behind him.
what makes that model that much sillier is the gunner's still there- what's he doing now, watching porn on his monitor?
If they were going to make it optional to remove the plasmas and shove a mini-church on it, it should have made it set into the circle where the gunner was, not stick it behind him.
But if they did that, there would be SM bits left over, and, MY GOD, someone might buy one less $35 Space Marine.
How does the driver see forward/right. There's the front gunner in the way! Have someone sit on the hood of your car above the right headlight. Now try to drive.
Why is the cupola round when it doesn't turn?
What is that window thing supposed to be?
The cupola would look better without the marine and stick the assault canon underneath. At least replace the marine with a servitor.
Just noticed the skulls with tongues poking out, one on top and one underneath - wtf!
All in all this looks like a kit with a lot of conversion potential. How many of those altar things are going to end up on tanks, lots I reckon.
Would like to see that TL plasma as a razorback weapon.
shrike wrote: looking at it, the "bonnet" (hood to you americans) is the fron section, right?
Well, there's no way that gunner can sit in that turret what with the lack of horizontal space, so he'd be standing- and there's no way he can stand with an engine being there.
The engines on a landspeeder are in the back, not the front.
There looks to be plenty of room in there for his legs, probably on a small rotating seat. The main issue with it is just that it looks silly.
Squidmanlolz wrote: Maybe the guy in the back is controlling the machine gunner who is secretly a robot...
he is looking very intently at his monitor...
H.B.M.C. wrote:How does the driver see forward/right. There's the front gunner in the way! Have someone sit on the hood of your car above the right headlight. Now try to drive.
hah, didn't think of that- he has, in effect, got a blind spot of 270 degrees- he can see from straight ahead, to 90 degrees on his left. Not the best when you're driving a light armoured skimmer which relies on jinking out the way of incoming fire.
Looking at it, you can see the assault cannoneer's knees, so he's sitting.
That must be so small and uncomfortable a place to sit, he may as well remove the lower half of his armour and sit on a rod to allow faster pivoting...
Reminds me of the Hellcat Cruisers from the Jak series... But yeah, that front gunner has to go. For one where did they stick all the components that were located in the nose (landing gear)? At least it looks like a quick plasticard fix.
shrike wrote: [Looking at it, you can see the assault cannoneer's knees, so he's sitting. That must be so small and uncomfortable a place to sit, he may as well remove the lower half of his armour and sit on a rod to allow faster pivoting...
You mean remove the lower half of his body and plug in a life support chair, right? That way it might actually work in any sensible fashion. The driver and rear monitor guy at least seem to be strapped in - what's the gunner going to do when they come to a screeching halt somewhere? Fly off into a brighter but shorter future is my guess.
shrike wrote: [Looking at it, you can see the assault cannoneer's knees, so he's sitting. That must be so small and uncomfortable a place to sit, he may as well remove the lower half of his armour and sit on a rod to allow faster pivoting...
You mean remove the lower half of his body and plug in a life support chair, right? That way it might actually work in any sensible fashion. The driver and rear monitor guy at least seem to be strapped in - what's the gunner going to do when they come to a screeching halt somewhere? Fly off into a brighter but shorter future is my guess.
The BEST use for that landspeeder is to tear out the marines and orkify it.
I can see the stupid front gun cupola with a metal birdcage on top, trapdoors underneath, and packed full of bombgrots.
Move the assault cannon to an underslung position and remove the stupid front gunner position and you would have a really nice model! The crying shame is that the helmets and marines themselves look really cool, they've made some nice new sculpts that are a cross between normal marines and a flight helmet (kinda like the valkyrie pilots) on the pilot. Seriously cool! Shame the rest of the model lets it down. OOOH!! Just had a thought, maybe this is now meant to be a sort of skimmer (thing the star wars ones a couple of ft off the ground) as opposed to a flying vehicle...
Imperial Monkey wrote: OOOH!! Just had a thought, maybe this is now meant to be a sort of skimmer (thing the star wars ones a couple of ft off the ground) as opposed to a flying vehicle...
that's what a land speeder does- hovers a few feet off the ground.
Reminds me of the Hellcat Cruisers from the Jak series... But yeah, that front gunner has to go. For one where did they stick all the components that were located in the nose (landing gear)? At least it looks like a quick plasticard fix.
Everything else is cool except the gunner in the front.
Place gunner on the back of land speeder.
Asherian Command wrote: Everything else is cool except the gunner in the front.
Place gunner on the back of land speeder.
how would an assault cannon and gunner fit on the back of a speeder with an executioner turret on top?
In planetside 2 there is a butt gun for their liberators, to deal with those guys that coming up from right behind them. A bottom gun to deal with ground units and a forward gun to deal with vechiles in front.
Seeing as it is a speeder, It would be useful if it was on the back of it so when they flew past they could gun down the remainder.
shrike wrote: looking at it, the "bonnet" (hood to you americans) is the fron section, right?
Well, there's no way that gunner can sit in that turret what with the lack of horizontal space, so he'd be standing- and there's no way he can stand with an engine being there.
Wow really? Can't just say you don't like it? Have to come up with some extremely silly reason of "he can't be there, there is an engine"? Really? Let's think about this, shall we? If they took the basic landspeeder and added the gunner position there is already *no* engine in that space. Looking at the current landspeeder we see that the engines are located in the *rear* of the speeder and likely fill all the space back there where there is no driver space or gunner space. The new speeder obviously has *more* engines than the original, though, but they are in pods on the sides of the speeder, every similar to engines under the wing of an airplane. So again still no engine in the front. Of course then there is the simple concept of design: I want a land speeder that has a gunner spot in the front, so I design it so that even if the engine is in the front of the speeder, which we already know it isn't here, it is not impossible to design the vehicle in such a way that there need be no engine components where you plan to have a gunner.
Of course even in our world right now there are multiple car models on the market that don't have the engine under the front bonnet either...
This is all with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but I just couldn't believe someone would write this in the first place as a reason to diss the model...
I seem to be one of the few people who actually kind of likes the front spaced turret. From a logical and tactical standpoint placing it there also makes sense. In the current landspeeder I am at a loss for how the gunner's weapon has a 180 degree arc of fire since part of that fire arc needs to shoot through the driver. Moving the turret to the front of the model actually makes the 180 degree fire arc possible in the first place.
shrike wrote: looking at it, the "bonnet" (hood to you americans) is the fron section, right? Well, there's no way that gunner can sit in that turret what with the lack of horizontal space, so he'd be standing- and there's no way he can stand with an engine being there.
Wow really? Can't just say you don't like it? Have to come up with some extremely silly reason of "he can't be there, there is an engine"? Really? Let's think about this, shall we? If they took the basic landspeeder and added the gunner position there is already *no* engine in that space. Looking at the current landspeeder we see that the engines are located in the *rear* of the speeder and likely fill all the space back there where there is no driver space or gunner space. The new speeder obviously has *more* engines than the original, though, but they are in pods on the sides of the speeder, every similar to engines under the wing of an airplane. So again still no engine in the front. Of course then there is the simple concept of design: I want a land speeder that has a gunner spot in the front, so I design it so that even if the engine is in the front of the speeder, which we already know it isn't here, it is not impossible to design the vehicle in such a way that there need be no engine components where you plan to have a gunner.
what's in the front of a normal speeder then? It can't just be a few wires and a glove compartment... Also, kinda ironic you're complaining I posted a 2-sentence comment about it, and then proceeded to post this much about it...
I seem to be one of the few people who actually kind of likes the front spaced turret. From a logical and tactical standpoint placing it there also makes sense. In the current landspeeder I am at a loss for how the gunner's weapon has a 180 degree arc of fire since part of that fire arc needs to shoot through the driver. Moving the turret to the front of the model actually makes the 180 degree fire arc possible in the first place.
Skriker
just pointing out, while the pintle mount does now offer possibly 180 degrees, it'd make more sense to have a gun which covers 90 degrees, then have a driver which can see 180- I'd prefer not crashing and dying in a ball of fire at the cost of a little less killing power, but that might be just me.
shrike wrote: what's in the front of a normal speeder then? It can't just be a few wires and a glove compartment...
Also, kinda ironic you're complaining I posted a 2-sentence comment about it, and then proceeded to post this much about it...
Ummm nothing like completely cutting out the part where I explained that I was joking while writing this whole thing. A joke *isn'* a complaint, mate. Learn to laugh a little. Not only did you completely miss the joke aspect of my post, but you then asked about what is in the front of a normal speeder? NOBODY CARES. It is a plastic toy model for use in a game that simulates a completely fictional warfare setting. They could say the gunner sits on top of the fusion reactor and it helps to keep his bum warm during combat maneuvers and it still wouldn't matter in the least....
Don't like the model, then by all means don't like the model, but don't try to bring in real world engineering and vehicle design concerns without also expecting people are going to make fun of the fact that you did so...
Skriker wrote: Don't like the model, then by all means don't like the model, but don't try to bring in real world engineering and vehicle design concerns without also expecting people are going to make fun of the fact that you did so...
Skriker
I don't like the model because of failed vehicle design concerns- it makes no sense whatsoever. (I'm good with artistic licence and the rule of cool, but it's taking that licence too far, and doesn't look in any way cool).
this is a thread about the silliest model, and I explained why I think that model's silly. You can make fun of someone for going all technical on a sci-fi model (which I'm not- just stating the immediately obvious), but you shouldn't make fun of someone for providing a reason.
I feel this model would be better if the front gunner was removed. but I agree this looks ridiculous.
How can anything in 40k be called Ridiculous? Their Space Ships are basically flying cathedrals O'doom. Their tanks are unfeasibly silly, a Space Marine is an over engineered super-human clad in Massive Knight Armour, who carries a personal weapon that we currently mount on an IFV. Everything is over the top gothic - camp.
Personally this thing looks great and totally fits in the 40k world. Pah, since when does common sense apply in the 40k universe.
40k test :-
1. Does it look Gothic? 2. Is it covered in skulls?
If your answer is yes to both of the above then it fits in 40k.
Galdos wrote: I actually think that (if the front gunner was removed) it would look kind of cool.
That gunner completely ruins it. Not as bad as the OTHER version of it
It'd look great. Give it a normal Land Speeder front, and lose the stupid mini-cathedral gak in the passenger seat so you can restore the gunner to where he should be, and you've got a very cool looking 'heavy land speeder'. Right now you just have a gaudy awkward unbalanced mess.
Imperial Monkey wrote: OOOH!! Just had a thought, maybe this is now meant to be a sort of skimmer (thing the star wars ones a couple of ft off the ground) as opposed to a flying vehicle...
that's what a land speeder does- hovers a few feet off the ground.
Actually they are meant to fly about 12 ft up, look at all the artwork for them, they are like low planes not skimmers like the eldar or tau tanks. These look more like they are low skimmers like the alien tanks.
Imperial Monkey wrote: OOOH!! Just had a thought, maybe this is now meant to be a sort of skimmer (thing the star wars ones a couple of ft off the ground) as opposed to a flying vehicle...
that's what a land speeder does- hovers a few feet off the ground.
Actually they are meant to fly about 12 ft up, look at all the artwork for them, they are like low planes not skimmers like the eldar or tau tanks. These look more like they are low skimmers like the alien tanks.
Huh, I always imagined them hovering maybe 3 feet above the ground, but with the ability to go higher at the cost of fuel and handling.
BaronIveagh wrote: No, THIS is the silliest one. That one at least uses big guns.
what makes that model that much sillier is the gunner's still there- what's he doing now, watching porn on his monitor?
If they were going to make it optional to remove the plasmas and shove a mini-church on it, it should have made it set into the circle where the gunner was, not stick it behind him.
He's the DJ dude. DAs have to have their music on the road to war.
tracer wrote: And don't forget old Pimp Daddy himself, Lord Solar Macharius... Blinding enemies to death since rouge trader..
That model wasn't actually introduced until 2nd or 3rd edition ...
I used him in 2nd a bunch of times as he was the only way for IG to get a strategy rating that wasn't crap, was pretty sure I had him during my rouge trading days too but then again I could be going senile..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Regardless, he sort of looks like C3PO dressed up as a pimp..
He had rules in 2nd but no model till 3rd...
why do I remember this @#$%?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Has anyone mentioned the Church-a-pult?
They kind of made sense in Return of the King where they were defending a fixed position and using abandoned chunks of the city as weapons.
But for a field battle? Do the Bretonnians really have that many abandoned shrines they can use them as ammo? What about overseas?
tracer wrote: And don't forget old Pimp Daddy himself, Lord Solar Macharius... Blinding enemies to death since rouge trader..
That model wasn't actually introduced until 2nd or 3rd edition ...
I used him in 2nd a bunch of times as he was the only way for IG to get a strategy rating that wasn't crap, was pretty sure I had him during my rouge trading days too but then again I could be going senile..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Regardless, he sort of looks like C3PO dressed up as a pimp..
He had rules in 2nd but no model till 3rd...
why do I remember this @#$%?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Has anyone mentioned the Church-a-pult?
They kind of made sense in Return of the King where they were defending a fixed position and using abandoned chunks of the city as weapons.
But for a field battle? Do the Bretonnians really have that many abandoned shrines they can use them as ammo? What about overseas?
So yeah, Church-a-pult.
I don't think you have to use the Church pillar provided, you could probably use rocks or stone. It's simply showing them using ruins as ammunition, it isn't very silly.
Grey Templar wrote: Yeah, IRL they used hunks of rock all the time. If there is a convenient stone building nearby its free ammunition.
Though, to be fair, they usually fired as soon as they were in range, instead of politely abandoning the advantage of having an indirect fire weapon placed on the side of a mountain.
Aside from this, what about this 'luvverly lady' from the SoB range?
What the hell?! She looks like an overweight bearded lady with whips.. Maybe she's just pissed because the Repentia are lithe and lethal and she's just doughboy fat? Aside from all this, surely women who are hell bent on proving themselves and repenting their sins in the crucible of battle don't need a Fat Controller? So, pointless and a horrible mini to boot....
Grey Templar wrote: Yeah, IRL they used hunks of rock all the time. If there is a convenient stone building nearby its free ammunition.
Though, to be fair, they usually fired as soon as they were in range, instead of politely abandoning the advantage of having an indirect fire weapon placed on the side of a mountain.
God that third LotR movie was awful, lol.
Actually, there was a reason for the incompetence of the users in-universe.
Aside from this, what about this 'luvverly lady' from the SoB range?
What the hell?! She looks like an overweight bearded lady with whips.. Maybe she's just pissed because the Repentia are lithe and lethal and she's just doughboy fat? Aside from all this, surely women who are hell bent on proving themselves and repenting their sins in the crucible of battle don't need a Fat Controller? So, pointless and a horrible mini to boot....
What? Mistress Dominatrix whipping those naughty naughty school girls and making them pay for all their vile indicant habits her whips landing on their soft smooth skins...
Aside from this, what about this 'luvverly lady' from the SoB range?
What the hell?! She looks like an overweight bearded lady with whips.. Maybe she's just pissed because the Repentia are lithe and lethal and she's just doughboy fat? Aside from all this, surely women who are hell bent on proving themselves and repenting their sins in the crucible of battle don't need a Fat Controller? So, pointless and a horrible mini to boot....
What? Mistress Dominatrix whipping those naughty naughty school girls and making them pay for all their vile indicant habits her whips landing on their soft smooth skins...
I'll be in my bunk!
That almost made me spit my tea all over my keyboard! Good job sir....
