Im pretty excited. Ive been waiting for a Pokemon game like this since Shadow Colosseum. Bought frigging time Nintendo made a Pokemon game with current graphics.....well.....closer to anyways.
Pokemon X and Y sounds like the name of a porno parody.
That aside, looks not terrible. Could be good. Won't be buying unless they tone down the offensive metagame/power creep though. 5th generation was ridiculous with that.
It's always been that way though, the only way to avoid it is to do online play early on before everyone gets around to EV training. Since this will be the first time it's had a global release there won't be any head starts.
Black and White is just way more offensive than previous generations. Granted, they've been getting more and more sweeper happy as generations went on, but now it's just getting silly.
It's like every generation's sweepers keep growing to completely outdo the last generation's, and in doing so, completely trash every single wall on the way.
I preferred the offensive/defensive balance of third gen. Although 4th gen has the best gameplay mechanics.
For the record, I'm one of those guys who made max stat pokemon. My issue isn't with the min/maxing, my issue is with the game balance itself.
I haven't seen it yet, but did the b2/w2 Ditto end up working out in the end? Seemed like an ability it should have had the whole time instead of stuff like limber...
He's still NU in B/W. Aside from the serious pimping that's always been the norm, it looks like he can work as a decent revenge/scout pokemon. That said, at the end of the day, he still only has 48 HP. The rule seems to be that you just stick him with a choice scarf, and switch in on something like a 600 Dragon.
Fafnir wrote: He's still NU in B/W. Aside from the serious pimping that's always been the norm, it looks like he can work as a decent revenge/scout pokemon. That said, at the end of the day, he still only has 48 HP. The rule seems to be that you just stick him with a choice scarf, and switch in on something like a 600 Dragon.
Ah k, so I guess when he got bumped up to uber for being a "game changer" it was probably for a week at most.
Dr. What wrote: Garchomps were bad, but Arons with endeavor/quick attack , holding leftovers, and having Sturdy were the WORST!.
Not a particularly potent strategy. At the end of the day, you're still going 1 for 1 with a pokemon that can't support its team in any other way. It's also completely screwed over by hail, ghost pokemon, any rapid hit move (so cloyster does not give a gak), and any Pokemon with Mold Breaker.
Fafnir wrote: He's still NU in B/W. Aside from the serious pimping that's always been the norm, it looks like he can work as a decent revenge/scout pokemon. That said, at the end of the day, he still only has 48 HP. The rule seems to be that you just stick him with a choice scarf, and switch in on something like a 600 Dragon.
Ah k, so I guess when he got bumped up to uber for being a "game changer" it was probably for a week at most.
Well, no. He can compete in any tier, thanks to the fact that what he does can be applied to damn near anything. He's one of the best revenge killers you'll get. But he's completely one-dimensional in his utility, and his low HP makes him incredibly reliant on choice scarf to get anything done, which means he'll only ever be good for one thing. So just make sure you don't build up a tonne of buffs beforehand (Imposter copies buffs, and you do not want to give a CS Ditto 2 dragon dances), and you can handle him like any other CS pokemon. The only difference is that you know what moves are available, and thus exactly what to send in to make sure that Ditto won't make itself useful.
I liked how Smeargle could be used like Ditto, but for egg moves.
So anyone have an ideas what types the starters could be in their final forms? It's just some fun guessing at the moment since we have nothing to go on yet. I'd like to see an electric fire starter.
Froakie will look nothing like a frog, just look at Oshawat's final evelution, I mean, WTF is it anyway? Otter->BA Otter->WTF?
Fenekin, in true fire-type form, will turn from incredibally cute to incredibaly BA, or it will turn into another Tepig, cute->BA->Ugly as all feth. I'm hoping it will be a mixture of Zoroak and Ninetails. EDIT: Better not be another Fire/Fighting either... 3 of them in a row? Seriously Nitendo???
I'm unsure about Chespin, though. I'm hoping it turns out BA, though. It looks cool.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One thing is for sure, though, I need to get a 3DS
Automatically Appended Next Post: My friend just pointed out to me that the "X" legendary looks like it has Christmas decorations on it.
So, Xmas legendary
I think that the Grass/Fight, Fire/Psy, and Water/Dark is a good idea because you have the advantage of two types as well as the need for trainers to train other Pokémon
Bulbapedia wrote:The Legendary Pokémon seen but not named in the first Pokémon X and Y trailer have now been named. The deer-like Pokémon is Xerneas and the bird-like Pokémon is Yveltal.
Bulbapedia wrote:The Legendary Pokémon seen but not named in the first Pokémon X and Y trailer have now been named. The deer-like Pokémon is Xerneas and the bird-like Pokémon is Yveltal.
I like the look of the legendaries. Haven't owned a poke game since Emerald and the last one I played was Diamond. I had great times playing Sapphire against my friend's Ruby in Year Two. He used to play nearly every day for 2 hours + whilst I only could play once a week for an hour. He had a level 75 groudon that would stomp my Kyogre into the ground with Earthquake. Then I got my Kyogre to 50 or something and his was still in the 70s. Hydro Pump or something knocked him out. The look on his face was priceless!
Picked up a 3DS XL just for this, thought I'd get it now, as a little something from Microsoft might be requiring a lot of my monies come the latter half of the year.
Grabbed Pokemon Black as well so my eldest lad can have a go before this arrives.
Though I still dont get why fighting is good against dark. (Yes, applying logic to pokemon I know)
Fighting is all about honourable, 1 on 1 challenge against an opponent, Dark is all about sneaking up on somebody and being dirty as hell about it. Essentially, it means that in a legit fight with nowhere to hide or ability to cheat, Fighting pummels Dark.
We need more things good against dark
No we don't. Fighting is one of the best offensive types in the game. And besides, Dark isn't a particularly great offensive type anyway.
Bulbapedia wrote:The Legendary Pokémon seen but not named in the first Pokémon X and Y trailer have now been named. The deer-like Pokémon is Xerneas and the bird-like Pokémon is Yveltal.
They've been named in the UK BEFORE Japan. Wow.
They're not being localised this time. We're seeing the first time they've had a global release.
Also they put up the pronunciations ZURR-nee-us and ee-VELL-tall. Which as a guestimation makes them ザニオス (Zanios) and イベタル (Ibetaru).
I think I finally see a pokemon game I am staying the hell away from..... sure its cool that they upped the graphics but sadly the pokemon themselves look like utter garbage now that they have lost their sprite charm and gone to full on objects. The starters look decent though.
Well, this is obvious. But most drawing programs these days have the ability to emulate watercolour/pencil crayons/whateverthehelltheyusedtouse fairly well.
What's more, the current artstyle allows them to get away with some really artificial looking work. I'd attribute the blandness of the last 2-3 generations' designs to not just to running out of ideas, but to an artstyle that encourages flat, overly deformed designs.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Picked up a 3DS XL just for this, thought I'd get it now, as a little something from Microsoft might be requiring a lot of my monies come the latter half of the year.
Grabbed Pokemon Black as well so my eldest lad can have a go before this arrives.
Male sure you register it with Club Nintendo, as you can get a free download of one of 5 decent games.
Fafnir wrote: Honestly, as far as appearances are concerned, I'm still sore over the change from the really old watercolour look from the first generation.
I'm disappointed that Bulbasaur didn't get a Lemon Mortar attack.
Diamond and Pearl were great (I don't feel that Platinum added anything though).
I really love Hoenn, but Magma and Aqua seemed really, really dumb.
Black and White had a very good storyline, though most of the Pokemon were really lame. Also, I feel that Black 2 and White 2 could've just been lumped into Black and White as a post-Elite 4 story.
I think HG/SS were the best of them so far; the pokemon following you, the menu constantly on the touch screen, pokewalker, togglable running, the itemfinder, etc. All features missing from the games after them. But, I'm looking forward to the new battle system and Fenekin.
It's been seen to use a wide variety of moves, including electrical and fire moves as well as Swift and what looked like Final Gambit.
Pokémon uploaded a video to Youtube today.
Ah cool, looked a bit like a flying type but I suppose we have to wait for confirmation. Probably shiny stone if it uses a stone, which I kind of doubt.
Also found the vid for the thread, not much to it.
I've always maintained that, from a gameplay standpoint, take the gameplay of 4th gen (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/Heartgold/Soulsilver), with the balance of 3rd gen (Ruby/Saphire/Emerald).
As far as the main quest/region is concerned, I'm entirely ambivalent, since the games are all the same for that anyway.
Also, Mewthree looks awful. It's like someone stuck Mewtwo's ass onto Mew's head, and he doesn't look too happy about it.
I thought Mewthree was just like one of those joke/fake pokemon the internet circulate
Heartgold/Soulsilver were also generally solid, but I've found Black/White to have the best pokemon elements and gameplay, if that generations pokemon were not so terrible, It would have probably been the best pokemon game.
Rysaer wrote: I thought Mewthree was just like one of those joke/fake pokemon the internet circulate
Heartgold/Soulsilver were also generally solid, but I've found Black/White to have the best pokemon elements and gameplay, if that generations pokemon were not so terrible, It would have probably been the best pokemon game.
I keep harping on the subject, but as much as I love D/P/Pl for perfecting the mechanics, I feel that the metagame was growing too offensively in a bad way ever since that generation. 3rd generation was like a perfect mix of offense and defense.
Well then Ill go against the flow here, and say I think it looks cool. Though Ill be honest, I was watching what it was attacking to see whats in the game. MACHAMP! WHOHOO!
Rysaer wrote: I thought Mewthree was just like one of those joke/fake pokemon the internet circulate
Heartgold/Soulsilver were also generally solid, but I've found Black/White to have the best pokemon elements and gameplay, if that generations pokemon were not so terrible, It would have probably been the best pokemon game.
I keep harping on the subject, but as much as I love D/P/Pl for perfecting the mechanics, I feel that the metagame was growing too offensively in a bad way ever since that generation. 3rd generation was like a perfect mix of offense and defense.
From a metagame standing I would actually agree with you here, I just have a personal preference of B/W compared to D/P/Pl as that generation was one of the ones I played less of. (I practically skipped Ruby/Sapphire to be honest. )
Rysaer wrote: I thought Mewthree was just like one of those joke/fake pokemon the internet circulate
Heartgold/Soulsilver were also generally solid, but I've found Black/White to have the best pokemon elements and gameplay, if that generations pokemon were not so terrible, It would have probably been the best pokemon game.
I keep harping on the subject, but as much as I love D/P/Pl for perfecting the mechanics, I feel that the metagame was growing too offensively in a bad way ever since that generation. 3rd generation was like a perfect mix of offense and defense.
From a metagame standing I would actually agree with you here, I just have a personal preference of B/W compared to D/P/Pl as that generation was one of the ones I played less of. (I practically skipped Ruby/Sapphire to be honest. )
Ruby/Sapphire is Gen 3, D/P/Pl is Gen 4
I played Gen 4 the most, probably because I own all of them, except HeartGold.
I barely played any of Gen 3/4 which probably shows
I played more of Gen 4, Soul Silver and Heart Gold if they are 4th gens would be the ones I played the most besides Gen 1 and 2 which dominated my childhood and mortal soul.
Melissia wrote: Somehow, I predict stupid gender shenanigans.
Really?
I don't remember the Pokemon games having anything of the sort (aside from Nidoking and Nidoqueen, and the fact that only female Combees can evolve into Vespiquen).
Well every generation has had at least one thing about gender so far.
Gen 1 was the Nidos, Gen 2 was the player and the introduction of the breeding system, Gen 3 was Latios/Latias I think, Gen 4 was the Combee or whatever and Gen 5 has those creepy jellyfish ghosts.
n0t_u wrote: Well every generation has had at least one thing about gender so far.
Gen 1 was the Nidos, Gen 2 was the player and the introduction of the breeding system, Gen 3 was Latios/Latias I think, Gen 4 was the Combee or whatever and Gen 5 has those creepy jellyfish ghosts.
I don't recall the player gender having any in-game effect though...
There was some post-game in B2/W2 where the player was flirted with by a character depending on their gender. I guess Game Freak did'nt give LGBT people much of a look-in.
Bulbanews wrote:While the Pokémon franchise has been a phenomenal success worldwide since its debut in 1996, with the vast majority of the world being able to enjoy the games, trading card game and anime, one area that has seen a clear divide has been merchandise. In Pokémon's homeland of Japan, there are seven dedicated Pokémon Centre stores full of everything from figures, to plush toys to eating utensils, while America used to have a Pokémon Center that is now the Nintendo World store.
Today, The Pokémon Company International's marketing director Anthony Cornish told MCV that the next 12 months will be the biggest in the franchise's history, with new games, a new TV series, a new movie and new toys - all of which leading into the highly anticipated worldwide launch of Pokémon X and Pokémon Y on the Nintendo 3DS this October. The company has also stated that is has "cleared the decks" in regards to licensing and have brought in Tomy International, with the huge promise of ensuring that everyone in the world gets the same toys as the ones in Japan.
It certainly is a bold promise, but we will have to see how 2013 shapes up for Pokémon!
Yea I havnt played in so long Im sure Im messing some up. But I think the solid white with red stripe was that "commemorative ball" that really didnt do anything special. And the little green fella behind the white one is a bug ball? and I know the read and white with the yellow circles to the left of the white and green balls looks REALLY familiar but gak if I can remember
I recognise the luxury, normal, great, master, net, ultra, event, the-one-you-get-when-you-buy-10-poke-balls-at-1-time, I think I see a quick ball and the one on the far left looks familiar... the one with the moon is a moon ball...
wait, I also see a heavy ball.
I know al that wasn't needed but meh... I like playing guess the poke ball
And that Mewthree thing is actually Mewtwo getting a new forme. Not much on the name, but it mentions Mewtwo awakening or something which is interesting, though I would have liked it if someone had taken team Rocket's research and tried to create a better Mew clone or if they resurfaced and had been in hiding creating this to try and regain some dominance.
Something like that, bunch of the other legendaries have stuff like that now triggered by either a move they learn, item they hold, battle condition or something in the world you use to switch them into that forme.
Kind of hope that means we'll at least see Mewtwo again in the new games.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I recognise the luxury, normal, great, master, net, ultra, event, the-one-you-get-when-you-buy-10-poke-balls-at-1-time, I think I see a quick ball and the one on the far left looks familiar... the one with the moon is a moon ball...
wait, I also see a heavy ball.
I know al that wasn't needed but meh... I like playing guess the poke ball
This here page tells you everything. Unless you're on a mobile phone- Bulbapedia is a bastard for viewing on mobile. If you are, I'll screenshot it for you.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Poke_ball
Thanks! So from what I gather, most of the Pokeball variants have particular types of Pokemon that they're better at catching (Heavy Balls catch heavy Pokemon, Net Balls catch Bug and Water type Pokemon, etc...) and some of the others improve the status and performance of a Pokemon inside (Heal Ball, Luxury Ball etc...) whilst some, like the Premier Ball, have no function beyond decoration.
I need to download some emulators and play the Pokemon games...
So there are quite a few people around it seems that are well versed in the Poke realm. I'm looking to relive the glory days. (1st gen) but my Red version quit on me! Other than the graphics change did nintendo fiddle to much with Fire Red?
IVs, EVs, two new typings, items, abilities, special attack/defense split, weather, breeding, natures, and a few other things. For the most part though, if you want to just catch pokemon and beat the main story, you can ignore almost all of these.
Honestly, they're not worth worrying about unless you want to play competitively.
And in those cases, I'd recommend you use a simulator like Pokemon Lab instead, so you don't need to worry about wasting hundreds of hours just to breed/cap and train a pokemon with the right IVs and EVs.
I'd also recommend HG/SS if you go for one of the DS ones. Had quite a few features in it I liked, like the persistent touch screen menu, running toggle and even lead pokemon following you.
Now those are just Gold and Silver rebooted in much the same way as Fire Red right? If so im totally down, other than the originals Silver was my Favorite of them all
Well, aside from having a few different elite 4 members, the story line of HG/SS is practically the same a G/S.
From Bulbapedia: The plot of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver is mostly the same as Gold and Silver with a few changes and included plot elements exclusive to Pokémon Crystal.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Well, aside from having a few different gym leaders and elite 4 members, the story line of HG/SS is practically the same a G/S.
From Bulbapedia:
The plot of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver is mostly the same as Gold and Silver with a few changes and included plot elements exclusive to Pokémon Crystal.
4oursword wrote: Yeah, Heartgold and Soulsilver were, in my opiniom, the most refined entries to the series. You know why?
Ambient noise. That is all.
I would say because it represented all of the fantastic mechanics that D/P/Pl brought into play, while sticking with 1-4th gen pokemon and using the world of G/S/Sp, which was one of the more expansive and interesting ones, despite its balance issues.
Also, Newmew is a Forme of Mewtwo rather than a seperate Pokèmon.
When Mewtwo's head goes so far up his ass that his tail starts coming out of the other side, he changes form to become... NEWMEW!
OT: I've been playing Fire Red and... Since when were there Pickachu's in Viridian Forest?! Have they always been there? I swore i never found one there as a kid. If I had I would have assembled an army of them
On Topic: I'm not really feeling the NEWMEW. It just looks like someone bored doodle of Mewtwo slipped into the real production line
@fafnir: You just reminded me about those balence issues. G/s were awful for that. Jasmine being so much more powerful than Pryce, for starters. And all of the level 17s around Mahogany Town...
DA's Forever wrote: OT: I've been playing Fire Red and... Since when were there Pickachu's in Viridian Forest?! Have they always been there? I swore i never found one there as a kid. If I had I would have assembled an army of them
On Topic: I'm not really feeling the NEWMEW. It just looks like someone bored doodle of Mewtwo slipped into the real production line
I nabbed one just today, actually. Only my second time playing Red, managed to get him with a Poke Ball without attacking him at all. But then he was only level 3.
Oh, and may I recommend picking Squirtle as your starter Pokemon? The first gym is SOOOOOO much easier with him, and he's pretty beastly in his own right.
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