Technically its not exactly Wakfu the boardgames since the main characters are only promo figs, but it does take place in the same universe. Sweet spot seems to be $100
Though if these guys are smart then these miniatures should be compatible with Super Dungeon Explorer
Welcome to the Krozmos. The Demons of the Hours and Minutes have finally found a hobby worthy of their cruel hearts... the Arena! The idea is simple. They select (read: abduct) warriors from across many lands and ages and whisk them away to the Arena, where the enslaved gladiators must fight for their souls and the chance to become the ultimate champion.
Working with Ankama, we are excited to bring the worlds of Dofus and Wakfu to your tabletop. Welcome to Krosmaster: Arena.
What is Krosmaster: Arena?
Krosmaster: Arena is a Player vs Player-oriented board game that offers the craftiest tacticians among you the chance to challenge other players in heated battle. All players build their team using a pre-deterimined method, either a point system, draft, or at random. Utilize your team's various talents and abilities to create a powerful fighting force. Only those who are able to create a strong, yet versatile, strategy will prevail!
Awesome, never played Wakfu or Dofus but I fricking love Gustuavs/Xa-Xa-Xa's character designs and artwork, will be keeping a close eye on this.
It may be worthy of note that there is an online "Learn to Play" interactive flash on the main Krosmaster site, its for the digital version of the game but I would presume they're both the same in terms of base gameplay. Heres the link: http://www.krosmaster.com/en/tutorial
Even the game play video looks really solid. I mean, everything about this game just oozes "fun;" and they're prepaints, which will be great for me considering with all my KS shipping this year, I'll have a metric crapton of unpainted plastic and resin..
Did you see the level that includes the prepainted 3D resin terrain and tokens......
Well...over half funded with 47 days still to go. Wife just got a job, so we will be keeping an eye on this and likely going in for the $150 level. Prepainted is what really sells this, as there is already so much bare plastic sitting around this house waiting for its turn under the brush.
Some Investigators over in the comments section seem to has sussed out that this is, in many ways, pretty much a pre-order.
I'm OK with that, though I'd still like to know how to get the Goultard and Nox Promo figures outside of the $500 "I Want All The Things Now" pledge level,
Oh, and if the 'expansions' are random, or if they include figures already in the main game - I'm hoping not, as duplicates don't seem like a lot of fun.
I'm OK with that, though I'd still like to know how to get the Goultard and Nox Promo figures outside of the $500 "I Want All The Things Now" pledge level,
Oh, and if the 'expansions' are random, or if they include figures already in the main game - I'm hoping not, as duplicates don't seem like a lot of fun.
I agree that I hope the other promos will be available outside of the highest pledge, Nox is the best!
They already showed that the expansions are going to show their contents I assume, though yes there are quite a lot of recolors with only slightly variations. Heck the Fire and Ice pack has 2 of those sword guys
Kinda sucks you can't get the 3D counters and resin terrain outside the higher pledge levels. They should do them as add ons. Also, is anyone else surprised that the first stretch goal doesn't come until 100k? Which is twice the initial fund level.
I watched the first episode and now I'm hooked. The animation is fantastic and I'm digging the story. Pretty excited to binge watch season 1 this weekend.
It's an outstanding cartoon. Never played the MMO...
I'd love to get in on this KS but I'm done buying stuff from the US, the shipping and customs make it not worth it. Will wait until I can get this through my FLGS. Yeah, I'll miss out on the promos.
On the topic of terrain, they had an update that explains they only made a limited number of these. Perhaps a bit short sighted of them?
There has been a lot of talk regarding the $500 pledge level, and whether there was value in it -
I guess someone saw the value in this – it sold out overnight! O.o … We are very impressed with that. There will be talks this weekend about what more we can do to add in. There is a lot of interest in the resin token sets still, so we are discussing different things we can offer.
To be straight up with you all, the special resin token sets are not made in large quantity (we were only making 200 complete sets, half of which were planned towards Kickstarter) and there is quite an expense on these. That is a big part of the value with this set, and really – they are very cool, I’m sure you will all love them!
Thank you so much! We've been working on this project for almost 6 months, and we are so excited to get this game out in June!
I'd love to get in on this KS but I'm done buying stuff from the US, the shipping and customs make it not worth it. Will wait until I can get this through my FLGS. Yeah, I'll miss out on the promos.
I am actually in the opposite camp, I might not actually get this if I cant get the whole original wakfu gang. Bit greedy of me I know
That last creator update was less than impressive in both content and tone.
It isn't a good idea to get aggressive with your potential customers.
They avoided answering the questions that were specifically asked in regards to the $500 level, among other things.
This one I still very attractive, but this attitude, combined with the pre-order nature of this (I'm channeling RiTides here!) makes this one come across as a bit of a money grab...
Alpharius wrote: That last creator update was less than impressive in both content and tone.
It isn't a good idea to get aggressive with your potential customers.
I understand the disappointment on the content, but I'm not seeing any aggressiveness. Unless you mean it's a similar "over-friendlyness" similar to that other KS?
I'd love to get in on this KS but I'm done buying stuff from the US, the shipping and customs make it not worth it. Will wait until I can get this through my FLGS. Yeah, I'll miss out on the promos.
Hi lord_blackfang,
I've got it confirmed from Japanime Games (via email and the comments section on KS) that European copies of the games will ship directly from France to their EU customers. Therefore no import duties and additional taxes, which is a big thing for me too.
Now if only I can get a response from Arena Rex about the same issue . . . . .
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Arena Rex have said they will NOT be shipping from the EU, so you'll have to budget for the possible vat
(which is a shame)
Thanks for the update.
True about it being a shame and the additional charges makes it less appealing to me. Slightly different context, I know, but I'll stick with my Spartacus board game
I've got it confirmed from Japanime Games (via email and the comments section on KS) that European copies of the games will ship directly from France to their EU customers. Therefore no import duties and additional taxes, which is a big thing for me too.
"We decided to keep our prices as low as possible for the campaign in order to give the best value to all of our contributors, international and domestic alike. We understand VAT is a pain, but in order to cover it on our end we would have to raise our prices. Realistically, it's a zero-sum situation.
We are really excited to have interest from all over the world, and we can tell you now that our international shipping will only be $10 more, which hopefully will take some of the sting out of the taxes. After the campaign and after all backers have received their pledges, we'll revisit European distribution. Though it's not a promise we can make for the Kickstarter, we think it's important for the future of Arena Rex".
so it looks like they hope to get European distribution of some sort together, but it would be after the KS so it's a case of back now to get in early (and pay VAT on it) or wait till it hits retail and cross your fingers that they suceed in geting Euro distribution
(I'm still interested, but it is a bit more of a struggle)
That's the United Kingdom. Geographically speaking the whole of Ireland is part of the British Isles.
I really want to get this for me and my boy but the streach goals are to far away, as others have said its a glorified pre order so I know i can get this any time so I will sit this out on the 1 dollar mark just to see if they can sort the stresch goals out and funnel my money elsewhere.
I really want to get this for me and my boy but the streach goals are to far away, as others have said its a glorified pre order so I know i can get this any time so I will sit this out on the 1 dollar mark just to see if they can sort the stresch goals out and funnel my money elsewhere.
I'm in the same boat, I really like the look of it but I'm holding at the $1 level until it's sorted. I don't like how they've structured the goals or made some of the figures exclusive to the $500 level (I really like the design of the Nox figure ) and how they never told people initially that they'd ship from the EU. It stinks of a preorder system and not a proper KS campaign.
I don't like how this is developing into a tiered system of some people getting potentially getting exclusives and others not. You should have the option of purchasing the KS exclusives at lower levels or having them inclusive at higher levels. Kingdom Death and Zombicide are perfect examples of clearly set out KS campaigns. Everything should be laid out clearly in advance and the top tiers should be reserved for professionally painted options or sculpts of the backer, etc.
Reserving figures and not giving the option of purchasing flies in the face of their claims that they want to move away from the French blind collectible system and move to an open system for the English language game.
Alpharius wrote: Some Investigators over in the comments section seem to has sussed out that this is, in many ways, pretty much a pre-order.
I'm OK with that, though I'd still like to know how to get the Goultard and Nox Promo figures outside of the $500 "I Want All The Things Now" pledge level,
Oh, and if the 'expansions' are random, or if they include figures already in the main game - I'm hoping not, as duplicates don't seem like a lot of fun.
Id like those as well (just pledged $150 level) especially the guy with the sword, very awesome. Would be nice if they were add ons.
I've just posted a long argument to the KS thread, hopefully they'll change the KS to provide better stretch goals, more information and better availability to customers. Here's my post:
Hopefully I’ve articulated my points and arguments below. Apologies for the length of the post.
I understand that there will always be various levels of Kickstarter pledges. However, normally the higher pledges are reserved for unique extras such as limited edition artwork, additional sculpts, having your models professionally painted or being sculpted and included as a character in a game or a forthcoming expansion etc.
Higher pledge levels do not generally, and should not, preclude potential buyers from owning a collection of characters, particularly when one of them is prominently used to advertise the game but is then not available to the majority of players ( https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/429/989/099144c7f83b5ffd32e0b213fcb7fdde_large.jpg?1362693857 ). Imagine what would happen if Pikachu was only available of you pledged the maximum amount of money in a Pokemon KS, if Luke Skywalker was excluded from a Star Wars KS or Captain America from the Avengers unless you paid the absolute maximum amount. In the case of this KS; the decision to limit Nox and Goultard prevents fans of the game / universe from owning their favourite character. From reading other forums, this approach has turned long term fans of Krosmaster/Dofus/Wakfu away from buying Krosmaster either in this Kickstarter or when it is released at retail.
Look at the success of Rivet Wars, Kingdom Death, Sedition Wars, Zombicide Season 1 and the current Zombicide campaign. None of these prevented customers from owning the models for the game.
My main issue is that Japanime Games has said that it wants to move away from the blind, collectible nature of the French release of the game. If that is the case, I don't think it is fair that if you'd like to have a complete collection, you are forced into pledging at the $500 level (which is no longer an option for the majority of people) to get the final two figures, otherwise it's tough luck as far as Nox and Goultard are concerned. I do accept that you are getting other extras as well at that level but something is amiss when those who have pledged at that level are questioning its perceived value.
Also, please do not interpret my views as wanting these two figures from an exclusivity point of view or as a power gamer. The first I heard of Krosmaster was yesterday morning on another site and fell in love with the characterful models, in fact it was the look of the Nox figure which got me interested. I have no knowledge of Nox other than he just looks cool On a similar note, I showed the game to a friend of mine tonight who would never consider a game like Krosmaster and his first reaction to comment how good the models looked, in particular how cool Nox looks.
I understand that Japanime has to negotiate with Ankama and their hands may be tied due to licensing etc. I think that a potential solution could be to keep the $500 pledge level as is, but giving early access to the promotional figures and expansions for this year as well as any stretch goals and any additional extras (the special sculpted tokens are an excellent example of this, nice to have but not annoying the fanbase by deliberately excluding the majority of players).
Those who pledged at a lower level, should be eligible to purchase items such as Nox and Goultard only for the duration of the Kickstarter Campaign, in essence, keeping them as KS exclusives, never to be repeated after this KS ends. This approach was adopted in the first Zombicide KS where a model based on Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory (and models based on characters from other properties) were sold only for that KS campaign. These models can now only be found via private sellers / eBay and sell for a much higher value. Guillotine Games have stayed true to their commitment that the original KS exclusives will not be released again which has gained them a lot of good will for keeping to their word, whilst allowing people to a chance to get their favourites, albeit for a limited time.
I see no particular reason in this KS campaign to annoy your potential fanbase by deliberately restricting the models available. With all due respect, this does not strike me as a traditional KS campaign. You are not developing a product from scratch. The figures and game have already been produced by Ankama for the French market and this is, in essence, a localised and repackaged version for the English market.
It is using KS as a preorder system and not developing a brand new IP which needs to restrict the availability of such characters as Nox, Goultard or any others.
I really do wish you well and I hope you take my views and those of the community on board. I, and others, have pledged initially so we can contribute to the debate and would like become more involved but the choices to date have not impressed or generated good will in the community.
This has the potential to be one of the most successful KS yet, but the approach so far could have, and in some cases is having the effect of annoying / alienating the existing fanbase and turning away newcomers. What is more important? Having a massively successful KS campaign which generates good will, keeps people informed, and gives customers what they want whilst raising a lot of revenue for Japanime Games or having a KS which raises its initial funding goal but generates ill feeling and bad publicity in the long term.
New Kickstarter backer update...new pledge levels and access to tokens and promos...new stretch goals...
Project Update #3: New pledge levels on the way!
Posted by Japanime Games Like
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that we have been going through some talks of what we can do to add in the way of pledge levels to get you access to the tokens and the promos that you want - so please be patient and hold on, I promise I will have some good news in the next few days!
I'm very excited to offer these new levels up, and there will be new stretch goals announced very soon as well! We still have 42 days left to go on this campaign, so don't worry, plenty of time to get this campaign promoted and announced to all.
On another note - I am at a retailer trade show this week and have started showing the game off. There has been much excitement from everyone who sees it, and next week we will be doing demos of the game at PAX East as well! Hope you can come see it! Sakuracon in Seattle the wee k after, and many more conventions coming up after that!
3rd Stretch Goal is hit if they get to 5000 (!) 'Likes' on their Facebook page...
New Stretch Goals Announced!
Update #5 · Mar. 21, 2013 · 4 comments
STRETCH GOAL #2
Announcing....Percedal! The "nightcrawler" of the game, Percedal can jump in and ShuShu Sword your opponent's characters. Tons of fun to play, and a great add on to the game! Percedal will be unlocked as soon as we reach $200,000 in pledges!
Before you worry about whether we will be able to get there - don't worry, this will happen. We've got more add ons that we are working on that will be announced next week to increase pledge levels, and also Stretch Goal #3...
Percedal
Stretch Goal #3
And now for something a little different...a Japanime Games Facebook "like" Stretch Goal! We just launched a new Facebook page and we want to use this to keep in touch with our fans! As an incentive to get you all to go like our new Facebook page, we are announcing a special Stretch Goal for Argon Gass! If we reach 5,000 "likes" by the end of our campaign, everyone who pledged $100 or more will receive Argon Gass! Go here ~> https://www.facebook.com/JapanimeGames Argon Gass
This new stretch goal will help get more views and interest in the game, along with promoting the campaign at many conventions over the next month...we know we can make both of these happen!
Thanks everyone for getting us to the first stretch goal so quickly, here's to making the next ones just as fast!
A new $500 pledge level (limited to 200 spots) has just been announced.
Backers get a Kickstarter exclusive Nox XXL figure as well as a copy of the game, the poster, the special set of alternative trees and bushes, the Resin Terrain Token pack, Yugo Promo, Amelia Promo, Goultard Promo, Nox Promo, a special resin token pack, and metal Gallons of Glory tokens all of the figures being released this year in expansion packs.
Also Japanime Games have confirmed in the comments section that the $500 pledge level backers will get all annnounced stretch goals even if the amounts aren't reached.
Looks like this has had the effect of opening up spots in the other $500 pledge levels, for Morora XXL or Dark Goultard XXL, as people move to get their favourite characters.
Well, because all the promos come at $500, it's easy to see why that is the perception. The earliest you can get the 2 extra promos and the 3D tokens is $300, so I'd argue that's the sweet spot. Which is, IMO, too high for a sweet spot.
Sining wrote: Man, was thinking of taking part in this but now I'm glad I didn't. A stretch goal evey 100k? That's not going to work for me
And they're not even free minis. They're add ons, which makes the 100k goal even more baffling
They are free, there is no price listed with them...but they are only added to pledges over $100. Unless Im missing something. If the stretch goals are extra cost that will dull my enthusiasm severely.
While I like the look of the game, and the idea of prepainted minis...as far as Kickstarters go this one is a bit lacking. Im a bit disappointed by the length between stretch goals, and the fact they are limiting figures like Nox to the extremely high pledges. Im in for the $150 pledge...but that may change. If anything extra exciting comes up before the end of the Kickstarter it may get dropped down to put funds in something else. We shall see, still over a month to go.
Sining wrote: Man, was thinking of taking part in this but now I'm glad I didn't. A stretch goal evey 100k? That's not going to work for me
And they're not even free minis. They're add ons, which makes the 100k goal even more baffling
They are free, there is no price listed with them...but they are only added to pledges over $100. Unless Im missing something. If the stretch goals are extra cost that will dull my enthusiasm severely.
While I like the look of the game, and the idea of prepainted minis...as far as Kickstarters go this one is a bit lacking. Im a bit disappointed by the length between stretch goals, and the fact they are limiting figures like Nox to the extremely high pledges. Im in for the $150 pledge...but that may change. If anything extra exciting comes up before the end of the Kickstarter it may get dropped down to put funds in something else. We shall see, still over a month to go.
Same here - this one is doing well, but it could certainly be doing a lot better, and a lot 'more' too, possibly...
Just make sure you don't express those concerns in the KS forum. The fanboy beat down is in full effect. Lots of the folks don't seem to understand that the more people they can get in a lower tiers the larger the player base becomes. I read it, and I can help but think those folks would be just fine of the $500 option was the only option. I even got called "cheap" for being unwilling to plunk down $500.
The MSRP is $15 higher than the French edition, they've moved away from blind boxes for the US market, and you have the opportunity to get some promos that are otherwise hard to get, but only If you pledge at least $300.
Other than that my understanding is that it's identical.
As far as I can tell its the same as the frence version, was so excited for this at first, might as well just wait for the retail release. (its funded anyway)
cincydooley wrote: Just make sure you don't express those concerns in the KS forum. The fanboy beat down is in full effect. Lots of the folks don't seem to understand that the more people they can get in a lower tiers the larger the player base becomes. I read it, and I can help but think those folks would be just fine of the $500 option was the only option. I even got called "cheap" for being unwilling to plunk down $500.
Yikes.
Unwilling...how about unable? $500 is most of my rent for the month, and more than all my other bills combined. Sometimes I think that some people dont realize that not everyone has piles of expendable cash. Id go for the $500 Nox pledge real fast if I could afford it.
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Rolt wrote: As far as I can tell its the same as the frence version, was so excited for this at first, might as well just wait for the retail release. (its funded anyway)
I keep thinking this as well. Really im mostly interested in it for the miniatures. I may just end up dropping my pledge to the smallest one with the promo mini ($30 I think) and pick up the expansion packs when they come out in retail. Probably find people breaking up the game on Ebay as well, and score the base miniatures there.
cincydooley wrote: RTides - Japanime is a bit concerned that adepticon isn't the "right crowd" but I'm pretty convinced that audience would eat this game up. Thoughts?
Honestly, their real concern talking to them has been the fact that it's prepainted. THe first thing that came to mind for me would be that folks at Adepticon would be all about that, since most of us have way too many Grey Armies to begin with.
Well, they'd be presenting at the same show as a new Super Dungeon Explore expansion and Endless: Fantasy Tactics, so they won't be the only grid-based Anime miniatures game.
cincydooley wrote: Honestly, their real concern talking to them has been the fact that it's prepainted. THe first thing that came to mind for me would be that folks at Adepticon would be all about that, since most of us have way too many Grey Armies to begin with.
Given the above, I don't think the competition is their main concern, Cyp.
And while I love the idea of Endless Fantasy Tactics, it's not really in the same league sales-volume-wise as Super Dungeon Explore!
Annnnnd, this thread is about neither of those, but about Krosmaster Arena
I think Cyp was suggesting that it does fit in with the crowd well. And yes, as a guy who plays a tonnn of miniature games, the pre-painted-ness of this is part of it's appeal to me.
cincydooley wrote: Honestly, their real concern talking to them has been the fact that it's prepainted. THe first thing that came to mind for me would be that folks at Adepticon would be all about that, since most of us have way too many Grey Armies to begin with.
Given the above, I don't think the competition is their main concern, Cyp.
And while I love the idea of Endless Fantasy Tactics, it's not really in the same league sales-volume-wise as Super Dungeon Explore!
Annnnnd, this thread is about neither of those, but about Krosmaster Arena
Its hard for something not yet released to be in the same sales volume as a plastic board game thats been available for a few years now.
I wasn't saying that they shouldn't come because there is competition, I'm saying they should come because similar things have had good success at Adepticon.
cincydooley wrote: Honestly, their real concern talking to them has been the fact that it's prepainted. THe first thing that came to mind for me would be that folks at Adepticon would be all about that, since most of us have way too many Grey Armies to begin with.
Agreed. These days prepainted is a big attraction to me.
Well looks like Japanime won't be bringing this to Adepticon, which is a shame. I tried to offer up my help to demo it at night, but they don't seem to want to come unless they can also be in the dealer hall, which I just dont have the time available to man then entire time.
I still think the game looks great, and the online version is quite fun, but I continue to be put off by the stretch goals and treatment of the lower pledge levels. Add-ons only available to $300 backers or more, 100k stretch goals, etc. Its unfortunate that the French company, Ankama, that owns the property is so steadfastly refusing to do away with any ridiculous notions of "exclusivity" for the American market, especially when they've already moved away from a blind-buy model.
I really want to get the game and back the game, but I'm unwilling to pay $500 for it like some of the serious kool aid drinkers in there, and I find it distasteful that some of the series' main characters are only available to those that do. It just feels like a lot with this campaign hasn't been well thought out. I can't help but think that some of these KSes were just thrown together without much thought or planning (Hello Through the Breach), and for me that just doesn't fly.
As it stands, I'm pretty close to dumping my pledge and hopping on something like Heroes of Normandie or Myth.
cincydooley wrote: Well looks like Japanime won't be bringing this to Adepticon, which is a shame. I tried to offer up my help to demo it at night, but they don't seem to want to come unless they can also be in the dealer hall, which I just dont have the time available to man then entire time.
I still think the game looks great, and the online version is quite fun, but I continue to be put off by the stretch goals and treatment of the lower pledge levels. Add-ons only available to $300 backers or more, 100k stretch goals, etc. Its unfortunate that the French company, Ankama, that owns the property is so steadfastly refusing to do away with any ridiculous notions of "exclusivity" for the American market, especially when they've already moved away from a blind-buy model.
I really want to get the game and back the game, but I'm unwilling to pay $500 for it like some of the serious kool aid drinkers in there, and I find it distasteful that some of the series' main characters are only available to those that do. It just feels like a lot with this campaign hasn't been well thought out. I can't help but think that some of these KSes were just thrown together without much thought or planning (Hello Through the Breach), and for me that just doesn't fly.
As it stands, I'm pretty close to dumping my pledge and hopping on something like Heroes of Normandie or Myth.
You've summed it up nicely for me as well.
An easy solution would have been to have Nox and Goultard and even the resin tokens/terrain as a purchaseable add-on - maybe even as high as $20 for the figures and $40 for the terrain?
This would have generated WAY more pledges too, I think.
As it is, this is a Kickstarter that really does feel like a pre-order.
And that's OK.
But I think I'll wait for it to hit retail and pick it up along with the expansions later on.
As you mentioned - Arena Rex, Heroes of Normandie and Myth are a bit more attractive anyway.
I've stopped posting in the KS forum for it simply because the gushy fanboy love and optimism is just too much. And for a game many of them haven't even played, nor have they watched the series. It's quite amazing, to me, honestly.
What's also amazing is some of the 'expectations' of price were some of these items made add ons. The notion that this token pack should be anywhere near $100, as some of them are claiming, is absurdly laughable. I think you're spot on with a $30-40 price point for the terrain pack and/or the token pack, and even that 'feels' a bit high. I think $15 for the individual figures would be much more palatable.
I've tried to explain to the president of Japanime Games my rationale for how I'd price the KS levels, but it seems like his hands are really tied with Ankama's desire for 'exclusive content.' They're really hell bent on keeping some of these items artificially rare. I just dont get that.
I just played this game at ACD Games Day earlier today. It was a lot of fun, and beautiful. And the gentleman releasing the game said that the Kickstarter figures will be made available through other means down the line. None of them are Kickstarter-exclusive.
Soda Pop Super Dungeon Explore and Impact Chibi Adventurer
figures across from the Impact miniatures forum where they were posted by Glen M, just in case anybody was planning to mix the Krossmaster figures with them as they DO NOT scale the same
SDE Rex, Impact! Demon Prince, Krosmaster Arena figure (which is far too large for a character & too small for a boss), SDE Druid, Impact! Thief
cincydooley wrote: Well looks like Japanime won't be bringing this to Adepticon, which is a shame. I tried to offer up my help to demo it at night, but they don't seem to want to come unless they can also be in the dealer hall, which I just dont have the time available to man then entire time.
I still think the game looks great, and the online version is quite fun, but I continue to be put off by the stretch goals and treatment of the lower pledge levels. Add-ons only available to $300 backers or more, 100k stretch goals, etc. Its unfortunate that the French company, Ankama, that owns the property is so steadfastly refusing to do away with any ridiculous notions of "exclusivity" for the American market, especially when they've already moved away from a blind-buy model.
I really want to get the game and back the game, but I'm unwilling to pay $500 for it like some of the serious kool aid drinkers in there, and I find it distasteful that some of the series' main characters are only available to those that do. It just feels like a lot with this campaign hasn't been well thought out. I can't help but think that some of these KSes were just thrown together without much thought or planning (Hello Through the Breach), and for me that just doesn't fly.
As it stands, I'm pretty close to dumping my pledge and hopping on something like Heroes of Normandie or Myth.
You've summed it up nicely for me as well.
An easy solution would have been to have Nox and Goultard and even the resin tokens/terrain as a purchaseable add-on - maybe even as high as $20 for the figures and $40 for the terrain?
This would have generated WAY more pledges too, I think.
As it is, this is a Kickstarter that really does feel like a pre-order.
And that's OK.
But I think I'll wait for it to hit retail and pick it up along with the expansions later on.
As you mentioned - Arena Rex, Heroes of Normandie and Myth are a bit more attractive anyway.
Ditto. I backed my pledge down to $15, was $150. It looked cool in the beginning, but its really just not offering enough...Ive found other things that are better uses for the money IMO.
The project just continues to frustrate me. The absolutely have to be guessing at prices, because they have no clue.
They're convinced painting one of these models is harder/more labor intensive than the paint being put on the Dust Tactics Premium models (no way). They're also convinced that the fact that the Krosmaster KS has only 28% of its backers at the "Sweet spot" level (as opposed to say, 82% for Zombicide 2) is a problem. I think it's getting to the point that the fanboy glasses aren't allowing them to even listen to any cogent critiques.
Interestingly, it sounds like JAG just confirmed that all of the promos and tokens are goingto be available to retailers later on..... Need to get some confirmation on that, though, because he kind of beat around the bush when he stated it. More to come.
Ditto. I backed my pledge down to $15, was $150. It looked cool in the beginning, but its really just not offering enough...Ive found other things that are better uses for the money IMO.
Compltely agree with you. The $100k Stretch Goals. The add-ons that are ONLY available to the $500 level. If that's really who youre marketing to, don't include the other levels. Seriously.
Agreed. The paint jobs are simple, one layer airbrush jobs, probably done by machine. They don't seem to get that.
And quite frankly, the other folks in the KS forum aren't people I'd ever want to play with if that's going to be the core community
With Arena Rex and Myth continuing to look better and better with every (reasonably spaced) stretch goal, this one just keeps falling off my radar.
Oh yeah, they were also convinced this game would never be discounted from online retailers...so there's that. I'm really not sure what closet these folks are living in.
I dropped earlier today as well. Just not a fan of the way things are being handled. Little/no discounts and actual exclusives being insanely high priced... I'd rather just buy this one from a discount retailer in the future if I want.
Yes, that's correct. It's already being handed out to retailers, and at a price where it's better to order from miniaturemarket and retailers like them than to be a part of the kickstarter. Very interesting.
It's funny that I see people screaming about pre-orders on kickstarter, yet not as much when this is the worst case so far.
I would have stayed in on this one if there was a reasonable way and price to get Nox and Goultard.
But... there isn't!
I tried to tell the person running the project this multiple times through our email conversations. They simply overvalue what the items are "worth". It's so strange that they do away with the blind blister model and then keep these other exclusives. Baffling.
And now that I know ill be able to get a copy for $50... Sorta seals it.
I thought there was something about how they; japanime games, believed it wouldn't be discounted too much on internet stores? How do they explain this then?
I found a picture of the game with the replacement trees.
Spoiler:
I was especially curious how much these would really improve the look of the game. Given that it's about $150 extra for all the replacement components. The resin tokens are a no brainer if you're willing to pay for them, they are obviously going to look better. I'm not too fussed about the coins. But I was most curious about the trees, considering you will probably be looking at them the most, since they are on the board the whole time.
At the moment (unless I was repaint the resin ones) I think I actually prefer the card trees just for variety. Also they make it look a bit more like a board game and less like playmobil. I might still low-ball in at $100, and mop up the promos and stretch goals. The game looks cute, and 14 characters is probably enough diversity to last me a while.
I would have stayed in on this one if there was a reasonable way and price to get Nox and Goultard.
But... there isn't!
Im there with you 100%. I want Nox...I cant afford several hundred dollars to get him. I dropped from the $150 pledge to $15 a while week or so ago. Been debating dropping it all the way to $1. Its only $15, so I mihgt leave it to get the promo mini, use that to decide if I want to buy more in the future.
It's interesting reading their comment page because it's full of people trying to justify to themselves why the 300-500usd pledge is worth it, even after MM has posted it for sale at 50+
Yeah, that is interesting (just went and checked it). Lots of "But that doesn't include shipping!1!" comments, but all you need to do is find a friend nearby who wants one, and order it together from Miniature Market, and you get free shipping.
Or just order some other board game / miniatures-related thing from MM, as we all tend to do
This one is a definite "Do not back!" with that revelation. I wonder why they worked out a pre-order arrangement with Miniature Market with their campaign still going (although there will probably be less nerd rage than if they'd done so right after the KS ended, revealing that low price).
