this year, we won't get a long list of kits getting a price increase in June. From 3rd June on (yeah, that's Monday), only all paints, paint sets, sprays, brushes and the Hobby Starter Set will go up (paints from 3 to 3.20 €, sprays from 12.50 to 13 €), which are all products not produced by GW itself.
Other price increases will be done with new releases including repackages. Personally, I expect quite a few repackages, as about half the boxes from module 1 are no longer required (module 1 is the base sortiment for every GW stockist), including most Xeno and Fantasy boxes. But this is personal speculation.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If they wanted to provoke a bit less ire from their fanbase, they should have done it this way, honestly, from the beginning.
Yeah, I've been suspecting for some time they have adopted different price increase strategy - put new products at "sufficient" price level from the start (a'la PP), then gradually adjust old kit pricing bit by bit.
Old style "here is our price increase Tsunami for the year" was perhaps more upfront & honest, but it generated huge amount of Internet badwill.
GigaBites then posted a comment saying that he might be looking at Canadian prices. I can confirm that a Land Raider is indeed $89 CAD. This of course doesn't say that there won't be a price increase, we won't know until tomorrow.
Hey everyone, the deadzone Kickstarter ends in 50 minutes.
Tired of paying over £4 for a single dire avenger mini from GW? tired of the price rises?
Would possibly consider spending £0.37 for a single hard plastic mini from Mantic? (plague zombies in the current kickstarter)
Give them a try!
I'm not saying they're perfect, or that they get everything right all the time, but dammit, they're doing it right. GW are doing it wrong.
If not, that's cool. 40k and warhammer are awesome games that I had a huge amount of fun playing for well over a decade and it's fine if you want to keep on enjoying them.
Do whatever makes you happy. (If Alph can do it I can >_> )
^ That's cool, Dreamforge Kickstarter was even more awesome than Mantic's, to be quite honest.
Where were we? Oh yes, price rises from GW.
Nothing to get upset about really. It is simply to be expected. Don't stress out over it, it's just a force of nature, like the changing of the seasons or the turning of the earth, 100% predictable and guaranteed to happen.
I was just thinking that Khorne Berzerkers need to be cut down to 5 models for $35-40 to bring them in line with all the other 40k 5 model elite boxes.
Careful, you'll be promoted to head of GW Marketing in no time at this rate! Pretty cushy job too, given that you don't actually have to do anything to maintain their current level of marketing...
Careful, you'll be promoted to head of GW Marketing in no time at this rate! Pretty cushy job too, given that you don't actually have to do anything to maintain their current level of marketing...
I don't know that GW could afford to hire an Australian for that job. The minimum wage is way too high over there.
Careful, you'll be promoted to head of GW Marketing in no time at this rate! Pretty cushy job too, given that you don't actually have to do anything to maintain their current level of marketing...
I don't know that GW could afford to hire an Australian for that job. The minimum wage is way too high over there.
This is great news! It's cheaper to not market at all than it is to pay an Australian!
Yes, sadly I'm debating abandoning my orks and any ideas on another army. Seriously considering moving to another game. Its just to expensive to fast with no sign of slowing.
I'm taking a break from 40k and price hikes. Glad the robotech ks came when it did. After 14 years of 40k I'm kinda tired of grim dark. I'm glad all these other game companies are picking up the slack for GW. I'm also looking to playing skirmish games, kinda burned out on large games as well. As this hobby of ours gets more crowded with quality products from upstart game companies for less $, gives me the impression things will get worse with prices, oh wait...
Does anyone know if GW has taken notice of all these successful games an models coming out from ks or other avenues? Is this part of the reason GW polices are becoming more harsh?
wowsmash wrote: Yes, sadly I'm debating abandoning my orks and any ideas on another army. Seriously considering moving to another game. Its just to expensive to fast with no sign of slowing.
The pace of releases is almost a mirror to how WOTC sped up releases for their MTG cards and DnD 4th Ed material; its so fast you simply get overwhelmed quickly by the snapfire like pace of new material coming at you.
Especially for this hobby which requires many hours of modeling and painting to achieve the desired result. I have when next month rolls around and the army I envisioned becomes obsolete, even if it was a for funsies army.
Well the price increases seem to be pre-build into each new release rather than happening as a bulk increase to the entire line. It just makes it more stealthy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well the price increases seem to be pre-build into each new release rather than happening as a bulk increase to the entire line. It just makes it more stealthy.
Well the repackaging is rather painful, if you happen to need that unit.
The weird thing is it's inconsistent; bikes just got cheaper (marginally), while DAs went up 40 odd percent. As days go by, I understand GW less and less.
Ok so as of this post, paints went up from $3.70 USD to $4 USD. Their spray paints went up to $16.50 USD from I don't remember how much. We shall see if models do go up in price as well.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well the price increases seem to be pre-build into each new release rather than happening as a bulk increase to the entire line. It just makes it more stealthy.
Well the repackaging is rather painful, if you happen to need that unit.
The weird thing is it's inconsistent; bikes just got cheaper (marginally), while DAs went up 40 odd percent. As days go by, I understand GW less and less.
Didn't they change DA to be 5 man boxes?
Did they get a price increase to compensate, points wise?
To be honest I probably wouldn't even notice another GW price rise because it has reached the point here for me in Australia that I simply don't look at new releases because I already know I can't afford/justify them.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well the price increases seem to be pre-build into each new release rather than happening as a bulk increase to the entire line. It just makes it more stealthy.
Well the repackaging is rather painful, if you happen to need that unit.
The weird thing is it's inconsistent; bikes just got cheaper (marginally), while DAs went up 40 odd percent. As days go by, I understand GW less and less.
Didn't they change DA to be 5 man boxes?
Did they get a price increase to compensate, points wise?
They might be a couple more points but I can guarantee you they did not double.
Flood wrote: Hmm. I should probably finish my SM purchases before their new codex in that case...
What's the point? By the time the new codex comes out you will just be left with a bunch of obsolete models that aren't as good as the new stuff is. And you won't even have finished building/painting it all anyway. Then before you know it, 7th edition will be here, and the army you thought was fun will be turned into a pile of dog's eggs.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well the price increases seem to be pre-build into each new release rather than happening as a bulk increase to the entire line. It just makes it more stealthy.
Well the repackaging is rather painful, if you happen to need that unit.
The weird thing is it's inconsistent; bikes just got cheaper (marginally), while DAs went up 40 odd percent. As days go by, I understand GW less and less.
Flood wrote: Hmm. I should probably finish my SM purchases before their new codex in that case...
What's the point? By the time the new codex comes out you will just be left with a bunch of obsolete models that aren't as good as the new stuff is. And you won't even have finished building/painting it all anyway. Then before you know it, 7th edition will be here, and the army you thought was fun will be turned into a pile of dog's eggs.
Point is I save myself a few quid (against future prices) on the models I wish to buy this year. Regardless of what GW does to their rules in the future, I have some models to paint/convert/play with.
Flood wrote: Hmm. I should probably finish my SM purchases before their new codex in that case...
What's the point? By the time the new codex comes out you will just be left with a bunch of obsolete models that aren't as good as the new stuff is. And you won't even have finished building/painting it all anyway. Then before you know it, 7th edition will be here, and the army you thought was fun will be turned into a pile of dog's eggs.
Point is I save myself a few quid (against future prices) on the models I wish to buy this year. Regardless of what GW does to their rules in the future, I have some models to paint/convert/play with.
But not buying them saves you the trouble of selling them all off when you finally realize you've had enough of GW's shenanigans. Not that I'd know anything about that...
If I was in the UK and I had an unfinished army, I'd probably figure out what I wanted and get it from an online discounter and call it done. Then for any future purchases, I'd switch to only going after used models.
The last time I did something like that was when the horrific fantasy chaos release came out and I wanted to make sure to get some Chaos Warriors before a future resculpt turned them into the same type of fecal spray that is the Forsaken. I don't use GW's rules (I play free and small press skirmish games for fantasy) so all I needed was a unit of 12 that I got off of ebay from Discount Games Store (a US based seller who breaks up battleforce/battalion boxes).
frozenwastes wrote: I was just thinking that Khorne Berzerkers need to be cut down to 5 models for $35-40 to bring them in line with all the other 40k 5 model elite boxes.
You'd be better off going to FW for Berserkers in that case... the plastic Berserkers are far to dated to compete at the price they are now!
While I get that price rises are likely to affect new people wanting to get into the game, why do they affect existing players who presumably have full armies already?
Surely it's not cheaper to completely invest in a new tabletop game than it is to buy a handful of new units and upgrade bits?
I'm more worried about what they are intending to do to Fantasy tbh, the Shadow Warriors box is a truly terrifying statement towards potential future Warhammer army costs.
Although I must remember to grab a couple more of the Ork fighters sooner rather than later at some point.
As an Aussie, I've been sick of the prices since I got into the game. But in the end, I guess it's alright. Over here, at least, most people play WH40k or WH Fantasy. Community-wise, it's by far my best option. It's not like I have to buy models consistently, that's just the urge you get.. human after all.
Well I guess now we know why GW has increased the release rate. I am sure that they are thinking they can raise prices more than once a year if they release more than one codex per army per year. Just wait for the Eldar Sam Hain update.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: I'm more worried about what they are intending to do to Fantasy tbh, the Shadow Warriors box is a truly terrifying statement towards potential future Warhammer army costs.
Although I must remember to grab a couple more of the Ork fighters sooner rather than later at some point.
What makes the Shadow Warriors so bad? They come in at 50USD/10 compared to 41USD/10 for the other plastic Specials (and vs 66USD/10 for the Finecast stuff.) A 20% price hike is definitely GW being GW, but it doesn't seem *terrifying*.
cadbren wrote: While I get that price rises are likely to affect new people wanting to get into the game, why do they affect existing players who presumably have full armies already?
Surely it's not cheaper to completely invest in a new tabletop game than it is to buy a handful of new units and upgrade bits?
That's a pretty good point actually. I'm sure that a lot of us older players have quite a large collection so it's just the shiny new toys and new codexs we need unless we start a new army or replace an old one.
I'm sure I've got enough plastic crack to last me a few years
cadbren wrote: While I get that price rises are likely to affect new people wanting to get into the game, why do they affect existing players who presumably have full armies already?
Do you have full armies of every race already? I assume not. If you choose to start one, you become as much affected as someone just starting. Sticking to just one army is boring imo.
What makes the Shadow Warriors so bad? They come in at 50USD/10 compared to 41USD/10 for the other plastic Specials (and vs 66USD/10 for the Finecast stuff.) A 20% price hike is definitely GW being GW, but it doesn't seem *terrifying*.
Maybe, but what about 5 greatswords for near on the price of ten at the moment, ten stormvermin instead of twenty, ten Goblins, etc etc. All be priced nearer to the new Shadow warrior price point. That would be my concern.
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Is it fair to call this a stealth increase? If this is their idea to lull us into thinking that their prices are ok or stable then its a mistake. Whatwith the supposed pricing of the add on codex for the eldar I give them 2 years at most before the balloon bursts.
I collect marines and have done since rogue trader and as a collector I shudder at what may lie in store for me and all other marine players/collectors when codex space marines arrives. First off the actual codex will probably cost £30.00, then if there are add on codexes I suppose you are looking to spend double just for the 2 books; I think it is safe to say that a good many people who collect the codexes purely for the fluff/completist will now have to seriously consider opting out. Consider for a moment that if they released 4 codexes for BA,SW,WS and IF armies that means at the minimum you'd need to spend £120.00 for the privelige. Add in the other increases (they have to keep their shareholder's profits up y'know) and its not a hobby anymore.
Next up I suppose we'll see the end of the 10 man tactical squad. NO doubt plans are afoot to reduce it to 5 and ramp up the price like they did with the dire avengers. Does this mean that the assault squad will be reduced to 2 or 3 marines with a ramped up price tag?
I can see it now where the grim dark battlefields are reduced from a wargame to a dedicated 5 a side punch up. It will no longer be grim but rather funny!!!
Do we have a date when they go into effect? I looked at a few things I still need to pick up and the price hasn't changed (knock on wood) on the GW site.
I think the biggest issue here, and one that people are overlooking, is that a stealth price-rise indicates GW actually gives a damn what people think.
Pacific wrote: I think the biggest issue here, and one that people are overlooking, is that a stealth price-rise indicates GW actually gives a damn what people think.
Colour me surprised!
*mind blown* Maybe... just maybe they will return to the costumer base... and be genuinely a good hobby company again.
Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.
With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.
Kingsley wrote: Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.
With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.
it is to my knowledge that GW to keep the consumer base happy, is only price hiking a prominent and good troop box that they know would be sold largely. And perhaps a giant robot.
Kingsley wrote: Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.
With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.
Price drops?!?! You realise if that happens, alpha will meet omega and time will cease to exist?
Kingsley wrote: Interesting that miniature prices don't look to be increasing, especially given the number of people on these boards who claimed that this year would be one of the biggest price hikes ever.
With last month's releases, we actually saw price drops on Guardian Jetbikes, Chaos Bikes, Space Marine Bikes, Scout Bikes, Vypers, and War Walkers, as well as a new and less expensive Wraithguard kit, though the preexisting Dire Avengers became substantially more expensive.
Price drops?!?! You realise if that happens, alpha will meet omega and time will cease to exist?
Tzeentch flamers dropped in price last year. IIRC a few of the necron releases were lower in price too.
People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.
The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.
It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
brassangel wrote: People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.
The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.
Nonsense. Models moving from metal (or, these days, FineCost) to plastic generally get cheaper. This is a given.
And a few temporarly splash bundles, like War Walkers and Support Weapon Platforms doesn't make those items "cheaper".
brassangel wrote: People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.
The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.
Nonsense. Models moving from metal (or, these days, FineCost) to plastic generally get cheaper. This is a given.
And a few temporarly splash bundles, like War Walkers and Support Weapon Platforms doesn't make those items "cheaper".
Did the paints go up already? I haven't checked in with my GW store in a little while.
It doesn't affect me much as 90% of the paints I buy these days are army painter, but still, there's a couple citadel colours I'd like to get before they go up, if I'm not too late.
I dread to think what'll happen to nobs, tootas etc when they get around to doing a new Ork 'dex.
I have never brought Paints from GW s not sure on the increase size.
But Paints are £2.40
Spray cans are £9.80 (These where only £9.50 last week)
Edge paints are £2.55
Citadel Brush set is £40.50 (seem to remember this only being about £37 last week)
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.
Corvus Belli; one (small) price rise in 4 years, same too I believe with Mantic. Battlefront too, and actually dropped prices by a way with their plastic ranges.
Not that I'm blaming GW for this; they will price their products at what the market will bear. But don't think for a minute that it's just another case of 'oh well, that's the modern world for you! My gas is more expensive now too' - when compared to practically everyone else in that industry, which is the only reasonable measure, they are the company that stands out from everyone else with regards to their pricing strategy.
It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
Not really, In the few years since I've got back into table top gaming I've only heard of a few price rises, and none in the same league as GW in terms of price and stealth.
Warlord increased prices on a few things including resin tanks by about £1 last year, but they gave about a week or 2's notice in their newletter and website advising people of the last date they can order at the old price. A few other prices went up by by such a little amount I didn't even bother remembering, but barely in the scale that required bringing forward an order in order to get the old price.
When GW do it we only find out via leaks, or going back into the shop to find the stickers have changed. I saved some GW staff a small fortune last year by telling them about the leaked increases and allowing them to get orders in. By making a couple of largish orders before the prices went up last year I managed to save about £100 (maybe 25-30% of what I was buying), though that was mostly scenery.
brassangel wrote: People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.
The focus is on whatever gives them the ability to whine.
It's an expensive hobby. Budget appropriately (instead of trying to lump save on short notice), and find more ways to make money if you want to fund the hobby generously.
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
To be fair, it was a 100% price increase, so I'll cut them some slack about being surprised. Mind you I've got them from when they were £2.99 for 5...
brassangel wrote: People complained about the Dire Avengers price increase, but most already owned enough of those. No one seemed to talk about how Wraithguard, War Walkers, and Jetbikes all got cheaper though.
When I bought my box of 3 war walkers a couple of years ago, it was £40. Now £47.50 - when does this price drop for them happen?
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.
I wonder how WHF / 40K stand up now to the "start the game for £100" challenge from the other thread after this?
No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
Actually no.. I play a multitude of different games, without exception none of them come even close to the perennial price rises of GW, or increase by anything like the same amount. And the changes of the format of the game, of depreciation of points, compounds the issue.
I wonder how WHF / 40K stand up now to the "start the game for £100" challenge from the other thread after this?
What, now none of the models have increased in price? Probably quite well.
Tactical marines cost the same, sternguard do, all the Imperial guard...have I missed something?
The biggest this that this does is stop people from having or maintain multiple armies. I was well on my want to starting a Necron and Eldar Army to go with my Tau. Now I doubt I will even buy the new Eldar codex. Especially since it is hardcover. I will be dropping my CSM (including 2x Land Raider$), minus some select models, and will be selling my Orks off soon after the new codex drops so I can cash in on the added price bump. That way, I can focus on the only two armies that really matter in 40k, Nids and Tau.
On a side note, I would rather pay $50 for a codex that comes spiral bound and has the cover and quick reference pages laminated. A codex that lays flat on the table while taking up as little room as possible is what I, and I believe, most players. This hard cover stent that they are on is really does nothing for me.
brassangel wrote: No matter which table top game you play most often, it's going to continue to get more expensive.
The financial concept you're alluding to is inflation; money's buying power becoming diminished over time. For older models that have been in production for ages this is the only force that should be exerting an upward pressure on price. GW's increases far outstrip such things, as they're likely making a lot of unprofitable kits and/or have too many staff so these hikes are likely to subsidize what would objectively be poor business choices.
In 1998, a tactical squad was $20. Adjusting for inflation it should now be $28, an increase of 40% over 15 years. That tactical squad today will cost you $37.25, edging close to an 80% increase or twice the rate of inflation for what is largely the same kit. Imperial Guard were $30 for 20 when they came out. The same sprues are now $29 for 10 or, to compare properly, $58 for 20. Those models haven't been out as long as space marines, but have almost doubled in price.
The Dire Avengers are just the latest in a long line of doubling costs on older kits.
As someone said, GW is just doing what the market will bear. However, pushing the market to the limit will generally end badly when your competitors have tons of room to play in because you pushed your prices so high.
On a side note, I would rather pay $50 for a codex that comes spiral bound and has the cover and quick reference pages laminated. A codex that lays flat on the table while taking up as little room as possible is what I, and I believe, most players. This hard cover stent that they are on is really does nothing for me.
I'd definitely agree with that. I hate hard cover rules/reference books. I might even go so far as to get a codex re-bind it myself when the time comes for my IG to get an update.
scarletsquig wrote: Hey everyone, the deadzone Kickstarter ends in 50 minutes.
Tired of paying over £4 for a single dire avenger mini from GW? tired of the price rises?
Would possibly consider spending £0.37 for a single hard plastic mini from Mantic? (plague zombies in the current kickstarter)
Give them a try!
I'm not saying they're perfect, or that they get everything right all the time, but dammit, they're doing it right. GW are doing it wrong.
If not, that's cool. 40k and warhammer are awesome games that I had a huge amount of fun playing for well over a decade and it's fine if you want to keep on enjoying them.
Do whatever makes you happy. (If Alph can do it I can >_> )
Except that kickstarter does not compete with Warhammer or 40k. If somebody comes out with a larger scale sci/fi or near future tabletop wargame that can make miniatures that look okay let me know. Until then, there's no alternative.
As someone said, GW is just doing what the market will bear. However, pushing the market to the limit will generally end badly when your competitors have tons of room to play in because you pushed your prices so high.
Exactly, and with raging heroes about to do a female guard kickstarter, Mantic having just finished their deadzone starter (only mantic thing which has got me interested in looking at it now) for example they don;t have the exclusive rights to tabletop stuff they think they do. Personally I think they know the bubble has burst and the second those sales drop below a set level the shares they all have, they're up for sale under obfuscated figures.
Regiment boxes at the 12 - 20 models level at £15 for warhammer and the squads for 40k having 10-20 models for around £15 was about right and still think thats roughly what they're all worth personally.
Except that kickstarter does not compete with Warhammer or 40k. If somebody comes out with a larger scale sci/fi or near future tabletop wargame that can make miniatures that look okay let me know. Until then, there's no alternative.
Actually, WarPath, the parent game of DeadZone like 40k is the parent of Necromunda, is a larger scale sci-fi game and uses the same models as DeadZone (though DeadZone is skewed more towards elites than basic troops). You can even try out the rules for free and just use your 40k models.
I'd also keep an eye on Dreamforge Games. While they're probably more than a year out from even thinking about a ruleset, their models are already top-notch. The Crusader Leviathan compares quite well to the Wraithknight in terms of size, and blows it away on versatility. The Wraithknight does win on "weapons in the box" but that's really it. Eisenkern infantry look awesome and with their accessory kit can be customized in a number of ways. The upcoming APC that should (hopefully) see release by the end of the year is also shaping up to be amazing.
There's plenty of companies that are beginning to compete on even footing with GW, and that's the danger of GW pushing these prices up higher because they can. GW is the top dog today, and by a goodly margin, but acting like that is an immutable truth so they can do as they please is going to see them knocked off that top spot.
Last year's price hike was the best thing that has ever happened to me in the hobby. I sold all of my GW stuff (GK and Eldar) and got heavily involved in WM/H. I have 200pts of Khador and 150pts of Mercs and I think I might have come out of pocket about $100 after all my earnings selling off my stuff.
Couldn't be happier either. So thanks GW for showing me the way.
As someone said, GW is just doing what the market will bear. However, pushing the market to the limit will generally end badly when your competitors have tons of room to play in because you pushed your prices so high.
Exactly, and with raging heroes about to do a female guard kickstarter, Mantic having just finished their deadzone starter (only mantic thing which has got me interested in looking at it now) for example they don;t have the exclusive rights to tabletop stuff they think they do. Personally I think they know the bubble has burst and the second those sales drop below a set level the shares they all have, they're up for sale under obfuscated figures.
Regiment boxes at the 12 - 20 models level at £15 for warhammer and the squads for 40k having 10-20 models for around £15 was about right and still think thats roughly what they're all worth personally.
This
The miniature wargames industry is not a "blue ocean" anymore, and GW is failing to acknowledge that.
So the price of models untouched yet how many here just had a spit over the models getting price rises? or DOUBLE rises cos you know they are more expensive with the release then again with the price rise? There was no model price rise, it was their paints... not a major concern.... the only really bunky price joke is the DA box sets.. thats a legitimate complaint.
now lets look at GW listening? was tehre an outcry that the digital codex's went too high up to $80? did they just become $60... it seems that someone in there is listening... was there some repackaging that actually got better? yarp there was. ( and no comparing it to a box set 5 years ago isnt really a fair comparison)
From the CHS lawsuit, we know that about an equal amount of their sales are from new releases and the rest are largely core units and battleforce boxes, mostly of the Space Marine variety.
So they may have hit the point where they can simply adjust prices on new products (as it makes them half their money) and do the occasional by the product adjustment rather than doing across the board price changes.
It could be that we've hit the point where there won't be anymore sweeping price increases and they will simply increase prices by releasing new product and doing the occasional adjustment and repackaging.
I haven't read the whole thread but it occured to me that by having a lightning release schedule they could make their price rises constant drips and drabs by simply bringing out new models constantly at slightly bigger prices. No one can complain about the price of a figure that has not had a price before. I suspect they do listen, they just lack the management to work out where the problems lie. Perhaps the CEO was removed for a reason, maybe Kirwin didn't like the idea of shrinking volume sales and went for a change of strategy?
But it was Kirby's strategy, not Wells'. We will never know the real reason Wells left GW.
Price increases can indeed switch to a "drips and draps" approach, but if the average price per figure still goes up as rapidly, then it likely won't impact sales volume in any positive way.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If they wanted to provoke a bit less ire from their fanbase, they should have done it this way, honestly, from the beginning.
Realy? Dire avengers going up 2 pounds and Coming in half the amount as they did before will work better to not provoke the ire of its customers?.
He has a point - GW have listened and learned, it would seem. Hiking prices en masse every year always provokes howls of outrage on message boards and forums alike. Doing it this way is less of a massive poo sandwich for everyone to take a bite from - some people won't even notice it. Of course, that doesn't mean that it will all fly under the radar - the Dire Avenger being one example - but raising prices and reboxing squads means that the annual price rise can be drip fed on the sly.
Isengard wrote: I haven't read the whole thread but it occured to me that by having a lightning release schedule they could make their price rises constant drips and drabs by simply bringing out new models constantly at slightly bigger prices. No one can complain about the price of a figure that has not had a price before. I suspect they do listen, they just lack the management to work out where the problems lie. Perhaps the CEO was removed for a reason, maybe Kirwin didn't like the idea of shrinking volume sales and went for a change of strategy?
Hi, I see you're new to Dakka...
Seriously though, you legitimately can complain about something that didn't exist before. Suppose Space Marines come out with a new troop choice (I don't know... some sort of scouts in full power armor, say.) They're the best thing in the codex... same statline as a Space Marine except they don't have ATSKNF and are WS3/BS3 and cost 10 points each. They're sold in boxes of 5 for $65. People would be livid and, considering I tried to construct a fairly obvious money grab scenario, rightly so. In reality the situation would be more subtle, but this was an easy example to make.
wowsmash wrote: Yes, sadly I'm debating abandoning my orks and any ideas on another army. Seriously considering moving to another game. Its just to expensive to fast with no sign of slowing.
I went with Warmachine instead of building a Tau army...no regrets so far.
wowsmash wrote: Yes, sadly I'm debating abandoning my orks and any ideas on another army. Seriously considering moving to another game. Its just to expensive to fast with no sign of slowing.
I went with Warmachine instead of building a Tau army...no regrets so far.
I bought a tactical squad and I also have no regrets. Let's just list things we don't regret eh.
So a legitimate response to finding a company's pricing to be unacceptable is to buy something they make in a different product line with the same price issues?
No wait, it's not. It's the actions of someone who doesn't have issues with the pricing... yet.
cadbren wrote: While I get that price rises are likely to affect new people wanting to get into the game, why do they affect existing players who presumably have full armies already?
Do you have full armies of every race already? I assume not. If you choose to start one, you become as much affected as someone just starting. Sticking to just one army is boring imo.
Secondhand is good for fleshing out armies, you could swap armies, borrow, lend-lease whatever. Buying new is not the only option.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If they wanted to provoke a bit less ire from their fanbase, they should have done it this way, honestly, from the beginning.
Realy? Dire avengers going up 2 pounds and Coming in half the amount as they did before will work better to not provoke the ire of its customers?.
I wouldnt agree with Mathieu on this one, doing stealth changes on new releases / repacks has a much better chance of flying under the radar then the bulk everything goes up 20%
I'd be willing to bet you good money some consumers would not have noticed the halving... even so far as "white-knighting" for GW when someone made such a "baseless accusation."
Except that kickstarter does not compete with Warhammer or 40k. If somebody comes out with a larger scale sci/fi or near future tabletop wargame that can make miniatures that look okay let me know. Until then, there's no alternative.
Actually, WarPath, the parent game of DeadZone like 40k is the parent of Necromunda, is a larger scale sci-fi game and uses the same models as DeadZone (though DeadZone is skewed more towards elites than basic troops). You can even try out the rules for free and just use your 40k models.
I'd also keep an eye on Dreamforge Games. While they're probably more than a year out from even thinking about a ruleset, their models are already top-notch. The Crusader Leviathan compares quite well to the Wraithknight in terms of size, and blows it away on versatility. The Wraithknight does win on "weapons in the box" but that's really it. Eisenkern infantry look awesome and with their accessory kit can be customized in a number of ways. The upcoming APC that should (hopefully) see release by the end of the year is also shaping up to be amazing.
There's plenty of companies that are beginning to compete on even footing with GW, and that's the danger of GW pushing these prices up higher because they can. GW is the top dog today, and by a goodly margin, but acting like that is an immutable truth so they can do as they please is going to see them knocked off that top spot.
The Mantic Games models are just not on the same level, very unimpressed with their quality.
Then I highly suggest looking at DreamForge's Eisenkern until new DeadZone Enforcers get released at the end of the year to re-evaluate how Mantic's digital sculpting efforts pan out. While the aesthetic is obviously going to be subjective (if one doesn't like it, they don't like...same as some people not liking the oversize shoulder pads on Space Marines not matter how well-sculpted), from a technical standpoint those kits are at least on even footing with GW. They're not dramatically cheaper than GW like Mantic is, but they're excellent models in hard plastic.The Leviathan Crusader in particular is simply an amazing kit to put together.
Only downside is the lack of rules for Iron Core just yet, but nothing is stopping you from using 40k or WarPath rules.
Except that kickstarter does not compete with Warhammer or 40k. If somebody comes out with a larger scale sci/fi or near future tabletop wargame that can make miniatures that look okay let me know. Until then, there's no alternative.
Actually, WarPath, the parent game of DeadZone like 40k is the parent of Necromunda, is a larger scale sci-fi game and uses the same models as DeadZone (though DeadZone is skewed more towards elites than basic troops). You can even try out the rules for free and just use your 40k models.
I'd also keep an eye on Dreamforge Games. While they're probably more than a year out from even thinking about a ruleset, their models are already top-notch. The Crusader Leviathan compares quite well to the Wraithknight in terms of size, and blows it away on versatility. The Wraithknight does win on "weapons in the box" but that's really it. Eisenkern infantry look awesome and with their accessory kit can be customized in a number of ways. The upcoming APC that should (hopefully) see release by the end of the year is also shaping up to be amazing.
There's plenty of companies that are beginning to compete on even footing with GW, and that's the danger of GW pushing these prices up higher because they can. GW is the top dog today, and by a goodly margin, but acting like that is an immutable truth so they can do as they please is going to see them knocked off that top spot.
The Mantic Games models are just not on the same level, very unimpressed with their quality.
I haven't read the whole thread but it occured to me that by having a lightning release schedule they could make their price rises constant drips and drabs by simply bringing out new models constantly at slightly bigger prices.
They have indeed been doing that for the past year. Each new monthly release has brought higher price points on some models than older comparable models. Example, the Heldrake came out at $74 when the flyer models from the previous spring were only $45.50 US. The Forge Fiend was released at $66 when similar existing monster models, some much larger, were (and still are) priced at less than $60. Then the Dark Angels flyer weeks later was released at $75. And so on and so on. The Slaughterbrute was soon after released at $85, an entirely new high for a model of its size and type.
They've been creeping price points up here and there with each new release, but it's still a relief that they felt that was enough and didn't have an across the product line price increase this year as they've done in the recent past. Space Marine vehicles in particular had a huge price increase last year and will hopefully remain stable for a while longer.
