A message from Jim Bailey:

Okay, let's open it up. Let's just kick the door down and get right into it, shall we? John Roberts and I are heading up a re-release of Incursion. Yeah, it's gonna be a Kickstarter. Cat's out of the bag now! If only I had that tool when I first set out to do this thing.. The game maintains a stratospheric 8 out of 10 on Board Game Geek and has a die-hard fanbase. Why? It's a damned good game and it's authentic. Don't take my word. Go read all the reviews, Go see what the folks like Michael Barnes and Superfly Pete at Fortress Ameritrash have to say about it. Go see what Anatoli has to say about it. Go to the Grindhouse forums and read about it.



Though a world-class cast of artists and designers participated throughout two print runs and the SNAFU expansion, this was all funded initially by the sale of my golden-age comic book collection and thousands of wargaming figs I had painted. Now that we have Kickstarter, we can finally kick this thing up into the clouds where it belongs and shank evil monopoly big distribution at the same time.



Plastic: the holy grail. It's what we always wanted to do. Just never had the hundred grand up front we needed. Yeah, lots of boardgamers bought the game and played with cardboard standups and LOVED IT. Lots of miniature lovers bought the metal because it's heavy, hard, and beautiful and built their own 3d boards. We're going to keep/expand the metal line but also convert everything to boardgamer-friendly and horde-builder plastic. We have new missions, new models, and all sorts of other stuff planned. Metalheads and previous purchasers rejoice: we will craft the Kickstarter such that you can get ONLY the new stuff if you wish, and/or just go whole-hog and gorge yourself on plastic.



Though the game is a re-release with lots of new add-ons, upgraded components, MUCH higher quality print stock ,new art, and PLASTIC, getting to Kickstarter is still unfortunately a couple of months away. It's alot of work to plan and execute "one of the big ones". I hope you will join us for the ride.

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Jim Bailey

I keep my eyes on this one

looking forward to seeing what's next

This looks really interesting. I missed it the first time around. It's also a good thing it's a couple months away. My wallet is still recovering from the Robotech kickstarter.

I'm REALLY excited for this one - doubly so if it helps get Secrets of the Third Reich 2nd edition out quicker too!

Yes, double yes, triple yes! Love my copy of the game, and can't wait to see what else is in store in the future.

How exciting! Bought the board game. But never got round to collecting the figures. This should be very good for the range and board game! Hopefully it'll be released as a board game including all the miniatures.

Interested in this for certain if it means a flamer model at long last for the Brits in SOTR!

This is the coolest thing ever! So excited for when this comes out. I love this game.

Add plastic models and I'm in with bells on.

Laney

Can't wait to see this one. Hope they have the figures in the box this time.

Uh...they've said that's the whole point this time - the figures will be in the game and...in plastic!

Hmmmm...interesting...might get in on it depending on when it starts...

It's an excellent game. I have both Incursion and SNAFU along with a bunch of the metal figures. It plays much in the same way as Space Hulk. Even my wife enjoyed it, which is really saying something!

I've got one of the starter sets and the game already, but yet to actually do anything with them yet. This could prove interesting!

You are missing out on a great gaming experience. Nevermind the figures just punch out the cardstock and enjoy.

If you can try and get the expansion book SNAFU, if nothing else the extra scenarios seriously add to the replayability of the game.

Love the KS idea, plastic figures , possibly 3d terrain - ah time to get saving

I wanted to play this when it first came out, but the expensive metal models kind of put me off. This is one I'll probably toss my money at though!

Well, I see what's next on my list of things I shouldn't be spending money on.

Excellent.

I do appreciate the fact that I can actually start saving some money for it since we've got time to plan.

Who is the company that makes the resin scenery for Incursion?

Fenris Games
http://www.fenrisgames.com/

Good and bad news, I guess. I've been waiting for the new Sot3R rulebook to come out so I can snag that, and last word was that it was going to be this year. Incursion coming first, and as a Kickstarter has to push back Sot3R by at least a year or more.

Here's another concept:



No idea where his hat went.

Probably by 2 years - if the Incursion KS won't hit for a couple of months, then has a 12-month lead time, then a KS for Sot3R and another year for that to arrive...

 Azazelx wrote:
I've been waiting for the new Sot3R rulebook to come out so I can snag that, and last word was that it was going to be this year. Incursion coming first, and as a Kickstarter has to push back Sot3R by at least a year or more.

Incursion re-release will have little to no impact on the SoTR2 release as Incursion is being handled exlusively by Grindhouse Games while Westwind Productions is handling the vast bulk of SoTR2

Is Grindhouse still the 'driving force' behind SoTR2 in terms of rules and such?

We wrote the rules for SoTR1. SoTR2, as a revised edition, is more about everyone applying what we've learned over the past 6 years and incorporating it. The most extensive piece of written work is the two army lists and the most time consuming aspect of it all will be the new sculpts. Westwind is 100% sculpts, so they have the bulk of the work.

The Incursion Kickstarter will not interfere with the SoTR2 kickstarter in any significant way.

I wish everything didn't have to be a Kickstarter these days...

I kind of know what you mean, but I'm also OK with supporting something that 'needs' it while at the same time getting a bonus for doing so.

 Azazelx wrote:
I wish everything didn't have to be a Kickstarter these days...

I can understand that sentiment, but can you think of a better tool to help raise the capital needed for the project as we've envisioned it? We're not using it as a preorder system, promise!

yeah,

 Alpharius wrote:
I kind of know what you mean, but I'm also OK with supporting something that 'needs' it while at the same time getting a bonus for doing so.

QFT

I think small indie companies like grindhouse are exactly the kind of people who should be using kickstarter.
and bonus minis or an exculsive sculpt are worthy perks for waiting a few months after you've paid for the game.

I've got the core incursion game and think it's neat. I'll be very interested in swapping all those card chits for minis!

I wonder if an upgrade kit is a option for people just interested in the minis?

Panic...

They did say they would have pledge levels for folks who already own the game.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 Alpharius wrote:
I kind of know what you mean, but I'm also OK with supporting something that 'needs' it while at the same time getting a bonus for doing so.

QFT

I think small indie companies like grindhouse are exactly the kind of people who should be using kickstarter.
and bonus minis or an exculsive sculpt are worthy perks for waiting a few months after you've paid for the game.

Yeah, I'm not saying that it's unreasonable. I was just hoping to hear that it was released (this year, sometime soonish) and be able to just buy it. Also, kickstarter fatigue since it's starting to feel like no-one in our hobby just releases stuff anymore aside from GW, FFG and a few others.

To be fair, Grindhouse has invested in this one their own and has published the game. If a kickstarter allows a major upgrade to components and increases their chance of getting wider distribution I am all for it. Incursion is a very cool game.

 Azazelx wrote:
I wish everything didn't have to be a Kickstarter these days...

I completely agree. It had its novelty, and Ill support some in the future (anxiously awaiting Paulsons Mecha Front) but anything coming from larger companies Ill hold onto my money and just wait for the retail release.

 Azazelx wrote:
Yeah, I'm not saying that it's unreasonable. I was just hoping to hear that it was released (this year, sometime soonish) and be able to just buy it. Also, kickstarter fatigue since it's starting to feel like no-one in our hobby just releases stuff anymore aside from GW, FFG and a few others.

Azazelx, in lieu of that, how about my personal guarantee that the Grindhouse will do everything it can to avoid Aussie Price Gouging?


Also, we're posting some articles up for prospective new players:

http://www.grindhousegames.com/blogs/incursion-blog/8109881-the-first-in-a-series-of-tactics-articles-zombie-management

Love to get your feedback!

Now in color!

Another pic and a start date: we're shooting for August first

Really looking forward to this - plus August 1st as a start date gives me plenty of time to recover/save up!

I've never played the original, anyone want to give me a quick synopsis of what this is all about?

Space Hulk if Space Hulk was set in Weird War II?

 Alpharius wrote:
Space Hulk if Space Hulk was set in Weird War II?

I could get into that. I will Definitley keep Aug 1st marked on the calander and take a look at this when it goes live, if nothing else because everyone else seems so excited about it.

 squall018 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Space Hulk if Space Hulk was set in Weird War II?

I could get into that. I will Definitley will keep Aug 1st marked on the calander and take a look at this when it goes live, if nothing else because everyone else seems so excited about it.

It may be worth looking at the downloads on the Grindhouse site:

http://www.grindhousegames.com/pages/downloads

The rules for the current version of Incursion are there and it will give you a good idea of what the game is like. It IS similar to Space Hulk, but has some VERY cool differences in game play (not just theme).

EDIT: Oops... The link to the rules is dead. Sorry. It is still available from the Board Game Geek site though:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/65013/rulebook

Yeah,
It's similar to space hulk but there is much better squad building and tactics.

Panic...

 CptJake wrote:


http://www.grindhousegames.com/pages/downloads

EDIT: Oops... The link to the rules is dead. Sorry. It is still available from the Board Game Geek site though:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/65013/rulebook

Sorry about that CptJake, we're doing a bit of site maintenance in prep for the KS. I have ensured that Boardgamegeek is effectively a mirror site concerning our downloads.

Thanks guys, I'll take a look at them when I get home later.

Taking suggestions concerning box art (https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Grindhouse-Games/139536469402885?hc_location=stream). Jump on over and make yourself heard!

 robertsjf wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Yeah, I'm not saying that it's unreasonable. I was just hoping to hear that it was released (this year, sometime soonish) and be able to just buy it. Also, kickstarter fatigue since it's starting to feel like no-one in our hobby just releases stuff anymore aside from GW, FFG and a few others.

Azazelx, in lieu of that, how about my personal guarantee that the Grindhouse will do everything it can to avoid Aussie Price Gouging?

That'd be lovely, actually. Probably wouldn't take a whole lot - putting more nations' RRP on your website and product information would probably do much of the trick, since distributors and retailers just slap on whatever they think the market will bear based on other games as the "Australian RRP" of board and hobby games.

What's the Australian RRP of Zombicide?
$115?
$130?
$99.95?

It depends on how large you want your made-up discount to be, of course!

http://shop.goodgames.com.au/board-games/shop-by-publisher/cool-mini-or-not/zombicide-rrp-115.html
http://www.milsims.com.au/node/124722
http://www.gamesempire.com.au/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=15189
http://www.gamesparadise.com.au/zombiecide

I think we all knew this was going to happen:



would you like another?

Does it mean they don't have any confidence in their setting, game mechanics or miniatures quality if they resort to sex to sell the game?

Honestly, the gas mask makes me want to find out more about the game than the gazongas or the tush. I can find gazongas and tush on any box cover these days.

So you're telling me that if I give you money, you'll give me plastic WWII zombies, cyborgs, and supersoldiers? Basically, you're giving me Return to Castle Wolfenstein in mini format? I'm in!

 Barzam wrote:
So you're telling me that if I give you money, you'll give me plastic WWII zombies, cyborgs, and supersoldiers? Basically, you're giving me Return to Castle Wolfenstein in mini format? I'm in!

That's one less game I have to buy then!

I have proof now! I've got witnesses that said you're buying it!

It's not Wolfenstein until we have undead vikings as well, don't you remember?

My question is this- do the folks at Grindhouse have anything that can top the ridiculousness/ awesomeness/ radicalness/ EXTREMEness of chaingun wielding cybernetic Nazi gorillas?





ps- please say yes.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does it mean they don't have any confidence in their setting, game mechanics or miniatures quality if they resort to sex to sell the game?

Honestly, the gas mask makes me want to find out more about the game than the gazongas or the tush. I can find gazongas and tush on any box cover these days.

Nope, they have confidence in the setting and game mechanics and miniature quality. They also are going with a pulp type setting and art style, which since way back before our time included tush and gazongas.

This google search has plenty of examples showing this art style fits the theme perfectly:
LINK

Read some of the existing reviews, download the rules.

I find it rather ironic that swastikas can seemingly no longer be shown alongside Nazis as bad guys in so much media now (from Monty Python to Star Trek!), or on covers or chits of games, yet it was perfectly fine for decade while the way was in common living memory.

It's mainly down to globalisation

Before that manufacturers tended to go for custom images/designs/names for each territory a product would be sold in

Now your image/look/name had got to work (and be legal) everywhere

and with Germany (and maybe Austria?) banning the Swastika and other Nazi iconography if you want to sell your stuff in the EU it's simpler to leave it off

(and more so if you're vaguely aware of the German Law and don't really know the specifics, it's cheaper and easier to avoid it entirely)

 CptJake wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does it mean they don't have any confidence in their setting, game mechanics or miniatures quality if they resort to sex to sell the game?

Honestly, the gas mask makes me want to find out more about the game than the gazongas or the tush. I can find gazongas and tush on any box cover these days.

Nope, they have confidence in the setting and game mechanics and miniature quality. They also are going with a pulp type setting and art style, which since way back before our time included tush and gazongas.

This google search has plenty of examples showing this art style fits the theme perfectly:
LINK

Read some of the existing reviews, download the rules.

That's right BobtheInquisitor, tushes and gazongas are the cherry on top of our wonderful cake of solid gameplay mechanics and setting. Have a slice!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's mainly down to globalisation

Before that manufacturers tended to go for custom images/designs/names for each territory a product would be sold in

Now your image/look/name had got to work (and be legal) everywhere

and with Germany (and maybe Austria?) banning the Swastika and other Nazi iconography if you want to sell your stuff in the EU it's simpler to leave it off

(and more so if you're vaguely aware of the German Law and don't really know the specifics, it's cheaper and easier to avoid it entirely)

Swasticas are only illegal in germany if their use obviously supports nazi ideology. They are legal in e.g. art if that isnt the case. There was a case where a t-shirt manufacturer was drawn to court because he sold a shirt with a guy on it that was obviously trashing a swastica . The end resualt was that its legal if you dont support the ideology. So theres a lot of room for interpretation and therefor you are right that its easier to avoid the problem from the get go by simply letting them out if you want to sell in germany.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's mainly down to globalisation
Before that manufacturers tended to go for custom images/designs/names for each territory a product would be sold in
Now your image/look/name had got to work (and be legal) everywhere
and with Germany (and maybe Austria?) banning the Swastika and other Nazi iconography if you want to sell your stuff in the EU it's simpler to leave it off
(and more so if you're vaguely aware of the German Law and don't really know the specifics, it's cheaper and easier to avoid it entirely)

I'm not entirely sure that's correct - not entirely at any rate. Video games sometimes still show the swastika, though they tend to remove it for Multiplayer modes (and have for many years) which I think ties into your point. SP modes generally keep it. Artwork for books and games needs a degree of changing anyway when products are localised into various European languages. I kind of feel like it's at least as much a "political correctness (gone mad!)" thing. Something like Axis and Allies - cover art made of an image montage that gets manipulated and re-manipulated anyway went from this:



to this:



I mean, in the modern editions of a WW2 game, the Germans don't even rate a flag anymore, because it's rather hard to show one that lacks a swastika. Everyone just shows the de-Nazified version of the Iron Cross instead - which is kind of ironic in it's own way since it's a key military symbol of non-Nazi Germany - both pre and post - though obviously versions were used in Nazi Germany as well. At least the balkenkreuz is thematically correct. Anyway, we're getting a bit off-topic here, and I'm not driven by a need to have swastikas up in all my games, but after seeing those pulp magazine covers, it really stood out to me.

We put it all together in movie poster format:

No gorilla T&A?

Won't somebody ever think about the dinosaurs?

Everyone seems to gloss over their heroic exploits during the War.

It's always Nazi zombie this, power armor that... what of the heroic La Resistance des dinosaures in Paris? Or the 51st Dromeosaurs and their big push into Poland? Or when Theropodengruppe 3 rebelled and ate their commanding officers?

Someone needs to help raise awareness of our scaled and feathered brethren who gave their lives for a just cause.

"Won't somebody ever think about the dinosaurs?

Everyone seems to gloss over their heroic exploits during the War.

It's always Nazi zombie this, power armor that... what of the heroic La Resistance des dinosaures in Paris? Or the 51st Dromeosaurs and their big push into Poland? Or when Theropodengruppe 3 rebelled and ate their commanding officers?"

Someone needs to help raise awareness of our scaled and feathered brethren who gave their lives for a just cause.



there is such a game actually - called Eat Hitler which you can get from wargames vault and was featured in wargames illustrated 227 - work blocked so can't get link in here

it allows you to use your collection of dinos to try and eat Hitler and his "friends" who've travelled through a portal iirc to try and escape the end of the war

Well damn. Guess we'll be eating Hitler then when we get home. I'll have to check that link out. I'm assuming we can use any old dinosaur. Hopefully scale isn't a huge issue.

Some day I hope someone sculpts up some semi anthromorphic dinosaur commandos. I don't even care who they fight for. I guess the Allies could use them since the Germans seem to have the market cornered on fighting simians.

I'll probably have to settle for Acthung! Cthulhu's Deep one commandos to satisfy my scaled soldier desires.

Actually, it does seem like the Germans tend to have cyborg gorillas. Werewolfs, too.

How come the Soviets never get the cool monsters?

 Barzam wrote:
Actually, it does seem like the Germans tend to have cyborg gorillas. Werewolfs, too.

How come the Soviets never get the cool monsters?

There are some awesome minis for Incursion:

 Barzam wrote:
Actually, it does seem like the Germans tend to have cyborg gorillas. Werewolfs, too.

How come the Soviets never get the cool monsters?

Well, Germans would naturally get things like Werewolves and Sea Lions... Not sure where the Gorillas come into it...

soviets get the 'ogre' type siberians and the werebears check out westwind secrets of the third reich range to see them - incursion is a board game set in the sotr universe - which in itself is a dam fine game system written by the same authors

oh and Germans get vampires too

 Azazelx wrote:
No gorilla T&A?

What? Monkey's about to bust out of his A-shirt! How much T do you want?

published a second tactics article:

http://www.grindhousegames.com/blogs/incursion-blog/8224505-free-reaction-fire-isn-t-free

Look forward to any comments

The Soviets have zombies, too. Then they have several other... interesting additions.

First is the zombie hordes, then the human wave stuff with the survivor squads. Siberian Sub-humans that remind me of those big blue guys on Defiance. Werebears, and some pretty serious mechs to round it off. They don't play pretty, but they are effective.

The Incursion enemies are some of the baddest of the bad. Don't let that T and A fool you, those little pretties will down an armored suit by themselves, then the support of the hordes just makes it downright lethal to run around in the dark.

I haven't tried the newer stuff, but when I tried the other one, it was pretty much on with the Space Hulk comparison, but you can get some funky other stuff like a pinger that nullifies the zombies.

Grot,

Please stop writing things that sound interesting and exciting.
This makes me want to spend money that I do not have on things I will have to wait excruciatingly long times for.

Concept of Hugo von X

You're getting me more and more excited for this one...

I was a frequent visitor of your 'official' forums back in the day, especially for SoTR.

I'm hoping that you're hugely successful here and it has a spillover effect of getting SoTR2 going quicker too...

So, in anticipation of a successful campaign, we're planning stretch goals, as you might imagine. Something we've always wanted to do is model a German reinforcement of Gibraltar with airborne forces. West Wind has graciously granted us permission to use the Luftwaffe Drop-Armor concept. If this campaign shoots the moon, we'll be that much closer to a massive redesign/rerelease of 1949: Secrets of the Third Reich. In the bowels of Gibraltar, the Kraut Paras are a mirror image of the Lucky 7th with some tweaks. What I'm hoping is that you folks could help us with the Fallschirmjager commander, Slugger Murphy's nemesis.

The figure below was sculpted by Andy Cooper and painted by Jim Bailey. We'll be bringing them up to date with new artwork and sculpt.

If you have Luftwaffe drop armor as analogous to the Lucky 7th, what will be the Allied version of the original nazi bad guys?

 Grot 6 wrote:
The Soviets have zombies, too. Then they have several other... interesting additions.

First is the zombie hordes, then the human wave stuff with the survivor squads. Siberian Sub-humans that remind me of those big blue guys on Defiance. Werebears, and some pretty serious mechs to round it off. They don't play pretty, but they are effective.

The Soviets never played pretty in the actual war, either. That's partly why I like to play them any chance I get. When this goes live, which factions are we going to see? Obviously there'll be Germans, but who is going to be against them? Just Americans? Just Soviets? Soviets and Americans? British? Canadians? Australians? Need some info!

I'm also curious if your sculptors are going to be shooting for a more cartoony look or a more realistic one.

 Barzam wrote:
That's partly why I like to play them any chance I get. When this goes live, which factions are we going to see? Obviously there'll be Germans, but who is going to be against them? Just Americans? Just Soviets? Soviets and Americans? British? Canadians? Australians? Need some info!

I'm also curious if your sculptors are going to be shooting for a more cartoony look or a more realistic one.

Barzam, we actually have a developed line with Germans fighting Americans and the British:

http://www.grindhousegames.com/

It'll be the same aesthetic for the new models as for the old ones.

 CptJake wrote:
If you have Luftwaffe drop armor as analogous to the Lucky 7th, what will be the Allied version of the original nazi bad guys?

There are actually a few missions where you can run power armor vs power armor

Last I remember, IIRC- They were working on the Imperial Japan and Marine stuff.... Or was that put on hold for the new edition?

British, Germans, Americans, Soviets, Japanese, and then there were some off hand guys. The map looks ... different, to jive with these factions. There is also an alien contingent that has poped up offhandedly, and makes guest star appearance's, as well as the demons.

Any chance of adding in some Aussies, Kiwis, Canucks, South Africans, Norwegians or Poles to the allies? Even if only a few mentions in the fluff and background?

All four of those Commonwealth forces as well as the Free Europeans wore Brodie Helmets, so at worst you wouldn't need to change the British miniatures. Slouch hat/Lemon Squeezer/Beret options would be ideal, but if that's not an option, then separate heads would let us easily substitute heads from other manufacturers.

Likewise, a fluff mention of either/both the US Buffalo Soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Soldier#World_War_II and Japanese-American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) units contributing some of their best men to the Gibraltar effort can only be a good thing.

Both the additional Allied nations and the aforementioned US forces being mentioned would be great to see, both as an acknowledgement to often-overlooked contributions and also as a way to make your product a little more appealing to a wider audience.

Actually, have a look at these guys as well - they fit into the fluff already! - though they're all Europeans, so don't forget the Commonwealth guys!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._10_(Inter-Allied)_Commando

Okay, had a look at the current minis. I like what I see. I can't wait to see what kind of Russians you put out.

 Azazelx wrote:
Any chance of adding in some Aussies, Kiwis, Canucks, South Africans, Norwegians or Poles to the allies? Even if only a few mentions in the fluff and background?

For Secrets of the Third Reich they left the door open for Commonwealth based forces. Each faction has it's own 'National' rule to give the army a little bit of character, the British faction has one and it mentions Commonwealth forces using the British armylist which makes sense since the vast majority of Commonwealth used the British organisation though there were gradually some differences.

Also the US faction gets a Native American unit.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Last I remember, IIRC- They were working on the Imperial Japan and Marine stuff.... Or was that put on hold for the new edition?

You're thinking SoTR2. Different project, still ongoing.

Main factions for Incursion are US (APEs), British (MI-13) and Germans (SWD). The APEs are open to recruitment from any walk of life and the same for MI-13 concerning commonwealth troops. Just because they aren't dressed differently or designated accordingly doesn't mean they aren't there.

Looking at the posts here it seems SOTR2 and Incursion are very much confused here. Some folks are obviously referencing SoTR2, but not stating that which will confuse folks looking for Incursion info even more.

 robertsjf wrote:

Main factions for Incursion are US (APEs), British (MI-13) and Germans (SWD). The APEs are open to recruitment from any walk of life and the same for MI-13 concerning commonwealth troops. Just because they aren't dressed differently or designated accordingly doesn't mean they aren't there.

Sure, I'm just asking for a paragraph or a box-out specifically mentioning a few of them by nation, rather than AMERICA, The UK and you can imagine that others are here as well, if you like. And squint. It really would be nice, since it's the sort of thing typically glossed over - as above.


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 stormwell wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Any chance of adding in some Aussies, Kiwis, Canucks, South Africans, Norwegians or Poles to the allies? Even if only a few mentions in the fluff and background?

For Secrets of the Third Reich they left the door open for Commonwealth based forces. Each faction has it's own 'National' rule to give the army a little bit of character, the British faction has one and it mentions Commonwealth forces using the British armylist which makes sense since the vast majority of Commonwealth used the British organisation though there were gradually some differences.

Also the US faction gets a Native American unit.

Nod. I'm not asking for special rules, just a word or two of recognition within the background. (Though in practice, the Aussies were notably different troops to the Brits, as were the Kiwis, the Maori Battalion, Sikhs, Gurkhas, and so on..)

yeah,
I don't think it's necessary, does it really matter where the characters come from... Goodies and Baddies will suffice.

Panic...

Think it would be wise at this point to make it clear that the KS will be for the reboot of Incursion, which is a wonderful, characterful game in the dank, dripping corridors beneath Gibraltar, which tweaked the Space Hulk concept to get something different and some ways better.

At least for now it is limited to Germans/US and British.

If successful it could see a reboot of Secrets of the Third Reich, a traditional wargame based on the what if of ww2 in 1949. It is this game that would see the greatly expanded fluff and nationalities.

My money is already likely to be there, plastic versions of the APES and possible 3d terrain, what can someone who is already a fan do.....bite the bullet and cough up the dough.

As requested,

To summarize:

Incursion is a boardgame set in the Secrets of the Third Reich universe.

This thread is concerning the KS for a deluxe version of Incursion. Incursion currently has three factions: German, US and British. In the initial boxed set and SNAFU expansion those are the only three factions available. If the KS is successful enough we will be introducing new units for those three factions.

Any new units for Incursion will get rules in SoTR and will likely appear in the SoTR II rulebook. SoTR II will have it's own KS after Incursion in order to cover the new edition and the development of two brand new armies: Imperial Japanese and the USMC.

I know I'll be doing my part to push Incursion as high as possible in order to get SoTR2 going ASAP as well!

Looking forward to the revamped German drop troops design too, even though I like the originals quite a bit too!

Debate is on at our facebook page. In brief: should we make plastic and metal minis of our new sculpts or just plastic? Head on over there and be heard.

Will do!

And in case anyone else wants to:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Grindhouse-Games/139536469402885

What are the chances of getting a couple of German Shepherds?

Game has always reminded me a bit of the FPS on PS1 (think it was Medal of Honor) on a level that took place in a sewer.

Remember running from a pack of German shepherds.

would love to see a pair of mean rabid looking attack dogs.

 Piston Honda wrote:
What are the chances of getting a couple of German Shepherds?

Game has always reminded me a bit of the FPS on PS1 (think it was Medal of Honor) on a level that took place in a sewer.

Remember running from a pack of German shepherds.

would love to see a pair of mean rabid looking attack dogs.

Evil Nazi dogs? Could be interesting. Especially if they're basically an early warning type system.

Worst case you can always grab some Zombicide ones once they roll around.

yeah, but don't really want them "zombified"

Need some human/ german shepard hybrids, or even other breeds, like mastiff men, dobermen, wolfhound men, etc. on line with the wolfmen, but dog breeds.

Dog-faced solders.

Odd as it is, I'd rather have dog-men on the Russian side. After all, they're the ones who used the infamous dog bombs. Seems fitting that they'd have anti-tank squads made up of genetically engineered, mass produced dog-man mutants with shoddy anti-tank weapons and maybe some mines strapped onto them for good measure.

 Barzam wrote:
Odd as it is, I'd rather have dog-men on the Russian side. After all, they're the ones who used the infamous dog bombs. Seems fitting that they'd have anti-tank squads made up of genetically engineered, mass produced dog-man mutants with shoddy anti-tank weapons and maybe some mines strapped onto them for good measure.

I like the way you think. They'd fit right in with the werebears, too.

Not to mention you could have a bit of irony with Russians using German Shepherds for the dog-men. Plus you could have a bit of rivalry between the Russian Dog-Faces and the German Werewolfs.

 Barzam wrote:
Not to mention you could have a bit of irony with Russians using German Shepherds for the dog-men. Plus you could have a bit of rivalry between the Russian Dog-Faces and the German Werewolfs.

Ah ha! You and your dog loving agenda! I'll take me some reptiles any day of the week...



....except nobody makes any WW2 reptiles.

yeah,

 Piston Honda wrote:
yeah, but don't really want them "zombified"

This game is about zombie nazis, mad scientists and the occult.
You should not expect them to make the dogs normal just for you...

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 Piston Honda wrote:
yeah, but don't really want them "zombified"

This game is about zombie nazis, mad scientists and the occult.
You should not expect them to make the dogs normal just for you...

Panic...

I'd like to chime in and say it would not just be him interested in normal dogs.

Not many on the market right now and most of what is out there is mediocre at best. Good models of normal, large breed dogs would sell quite well, in my opinion.

Looking forward to seeing this KS start.

~Eric

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 Piston Honda wrote:
yeah, but don't really want them "zombified"

This game is about zombie nazis, mad scientists and the occult.
You should not expect them to make the dogs normal just for you...

Panic...

Where did I expect them to make normal dogs for just little ol me?

At the Grindhouse, we love dogs! And we'd like to see well sculpted dogs (I was tempted by McVey's Bull Terrier sculpt).

But as far as Incursion is concerned, normal dogs are a bit outside our scope.

Now, v-serum mutated dogs, maybe.

And nothing's stoping anyone from painting their blitzhund in shepard colors

 Grot 6 wrote:
Need some human/ german shepard hybrids, or even other breeds, like mastiff men, dobermen, wolfhound men, etc. on line with the wolfmen, but dog breeds.

Dog-faced solders.

West Wind already has several of these in their range
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=126_207_211
Halfway down the page.


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 Piston Honda wrote:
What are the chances of getting a couple of German Shepherds?

Game has always reminded me a bit of the FPS on PS1 (think it was Medal of Honor) on a level that took place in a sewer.

Remember running from a pack of German shepherds.

would love to see a pair of mean rabid looking attack dogs.

http://emgeal.webs.com/

Message from Jim:
Here's some more fun Blitzhund art. We should be able to start revealing box covers for Incursion and SNAFU as well as final poster, soon. Also, there is some character art, models being sculpted by Jason Weibe and Pat Keith, and a movie trailer on the way. Stay tuned. It's going to start getting really nuts around here.

I like the wolf.

Will these new figures be fixed pose or multi piece?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Need some human/ german shepard hybrids, or even other breeds, like mastiff men, dobermen, wolfhound men, etc. on line with the wolfmen, but dog breeds.

Dog-faced solders.

West Wind already has several of these in their range
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=126_207_211
Halfway down the page.

I'll give them credit, they're nice sculpts, but they don't look like the dogs they're supposed to represent. Plus they're Germans. I want Russian dogmen!

Actually on topic, can we expect to see robots for either side in Incursion?

HT- single pose

Barzam- actual AI type robots or are you cool with mechanical units controled by brain in jar type?

Both sound good to me.

I like both, but 'Brain In Jar' version eeks out a win for the top spot!

 Alpharius wrote:
I like both, but 'Brain In Jar' version eeks out a win for the top spot!

They already have one:

Right, we know!

I thought we were talking about plastic versions for the about to be launched new version of the game through Kickstarter though?

Brains in jars work. Maybe they can pull double duty in Yuggoth if they're nicely molded!

Edit- and if we can get a plethora of plastic ones, even better! It'll be interesting to see if the Germans have devised new types of machines to put said brains in!

 Alpharius wrote:
Right, we know!

I thought we were talking about plastic versions for the about to be launched new version of the game through Kickstarter though?

Right, I was making the assumption that all of the original figures were going to be recast/resculpted for the kickstarter before we saw any new figures.

rwwin got it, I was referring to the drohnes

They have a brain in the jar ?

I need to get back in on this action, its looking like I missed some really cool stuff somewhere along the way.

One thing I would forward to would be the extended "Von X" medical team.

I know we might get Herr Dokter, but what of his head nurse , the overweight but oh so caring Blondi and seeing we are in pulp cliche land his own faithful hunchback assistant named Eric (he changed his name to avoid confusion with all the other EEEgors).

Joking, seeing the Germans may get powered armour , I hope the Brits get the same perhaps to be used in a series of earlier scenarios depicting the failed attempt to subdue Gib.

That brain in a jar is pretty darn sweet. Makes me think of the Whisperer in the Darkness... except for the mechanical flying robot part of it. Cool either way.

wilycoyote wrote:
Joking, seeing the Germans may get powered armour , I hope the Brits get the same perhaps to be used in a series of earlier scenarios depicting the failed attempt to subdue Gib.

Its possible they could adapt the British Steel units from SOTR.

I hope they do that!

I'm okay with that.

Actual box art

Aww, I was hoping the gorilla was going to make it on the cover.

Sign me up for a copy!

It'd be nice if there were some artwork based treats for some backers - like postcard sized prints.

I'll be backing anyway, though

I have the opposite opinions, art based stuff like post cards/posters/prints either get stuffed in the bottom of the box or chucked in the recycle bin at my place. I know some folks love 'em, but to me they are a waste of resources.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Aww, I was hoping the gorilla was going to make it on the cover.

He'll probably make the SNAFU box cover

Herzlos wrote:
It'd be nice if there were some artwork based treats for some backers - like postcard sized prints.

I'll be backing anyway, though

We'll have it

 CptJake wrote:
I have the opposite opinions, art based stuff like post cards/posters/prints either get stuffed in the bottom of the box or chucked in the recycle bin at my place. I know some folks love 'em, but to me they are a waste of resources.

So you aren't going to put your Incursion movie poster on the side of your garage wall so that Gretel can watch you work on your bike?

Nope. The garage wall space is taken up by windows, a couple of freezers, cabinets and tools. Game related art just doesn't fit in and get put up/displayed at our place.

Again, I know some folks love it, and there is nothing wrong with that, but to me it is a waste to the point that when it is offered as optional add ins, I don't opt for it, and if it is a stretch goal, it is one that is useless to me (I would rather see useful game content added). When included at a pledge level, I don't consider it as added value so the rest of the included stuff has to make the value worth the pledge for me.

I honestly can't see too many people deciding to pledge for a project (or specific level of pledge) based solely on 'Oooh, look at this kewl poster that I get!' Give me extra game content instead.

I've got Super Cool signed prints from a couple kickstarters, and as I said, most sit at the bottom of the box and will never see the light of day again. A few items like that have hit the recycle bin as I was cleaning stuff out.

What's good for the CptJake is not necessarily good for the rest of us though!

I expect the gorilla will be on the SNAFU(?) expansion box art. Although this looks great!

And SNAFU is going to be an expansion box instead of a book. here's the cover:

 robertsjf wrote:
And SNAFU is going to be an expansion box instead of a book. here's the cover:

Is Snafu going to be in the same kickstarter?

I love the original, making it a boxed expansion? HOO-RAY!!!!

yeah,
While I like the grind house poster themes that have been shown, it's great for actual posters and artworks in the rule book...
I don't like it much as the actual game box artwork, all the names etc looks very cluttered and almost narcissistic.

I'm very excited to see what you can achieve miniature wise within the boxed game for the apex kickstarter pledge!!??

I have a feeling... I'm all in...

Panic...

Converting SNAFU to a boxed set is part of the KS (included in the base funding, not some stretch goal). It'll have the mi-13 minis in plastic along with the expansion units of the SWD and Lucky 7th. And the necessary counters from the SNAFU missions.

I am very much looking forward to this kickstarter!

dam this is looking fine - as one of thos people with the origional boxed game I can't say enough how good a rules set and experince this game is - definately in for this for the snafu expansion and plastic minis

 robertsjf wrote:
It'll have the mi-13 minis in plastic....

Here! Take my wallet already!

I'm all in - just get the kickstarter going already!

When is the game going to production and sale?

I think it's gonna be a KS isn't it?

Yes, it is.

So a lot will depend on how well the Kickstarter does, I'd imagine...

KS starts early Aug, runs 30 days and, assuming it funds, we anticipate having product produced within 6 months after.

Ugh. Early Aug. that's when wrath of kings is going to launch too. Can you do mid August so I can spend copious amounts of money on both ;-)

Burning Suns is rolling out around that time too. 4x space minis!

Thank goodness I budgeted money for all three of these kickstarters, and I'm dumping a bunch of old ps1 rpgs to help cover all the add ons. Hopefully nothing else shows up or I'm going to be in trouble (like Mantic's Mars Attacks).

I think there's something wrong when I show my son SNAFU's cover and his first thought of seeing the drohnes was he was reminded of the brain jars of Yuggoth.

Burning suns?!?! Pm me a link?

Burning Suns looks very interesting but I will still hold out for Incursion.

Likewise Kings of War is not for me and although for the nostalgia of it I will probably collect the new Topps cards for Mars Attacks. my gut feeling is that Mantic have too much on to make a decent fist of the tabletop version. Short lead in will most likely see rushed poorly executed models, with a adapted version of Warpath rather than something new.

I cannot wait to see what is on offer from Grindhouse.

Kings of War is Mantc. Wrath of Kings is a diff and from CMoN

More brain jars, more diver helmets, more zombies!

 robertsjf wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
It'd be nice if there were some artwork based treats for some backers - like postcard sized prints.

I'll be backing anyway, though

We'll have it

Excellent!

 CptJake wrote:
Nope. The garage wall space is taken up by windows, a couple of freezers, cabinets and tools. Game related art just doesn't fit in and get put up/displayed at our place.

Again, I know some folks love it, and there is nothing wrong with that, but to me it is a waste to the point that when it is offered as optional add ins, I don't opt for it, and if it is a stretch goal, it is one that is useless to me (I would rather see useful game content added). When included at a pledge level, I don't consider it as added value so the rest of the included stuff has to make the value worth the pledge for me.

I honestly can't see too many people deciding to pledge for a project (or specific level of pledge) based solely on 'Oooh, look at this kewl poster that I get!' Give me extra game content instead.

I've got Super Cool signed prints from a couple kickstarters, and as I said, most sit at the bottom of the box and will never see the light of day again. A few items like that have hit the recycle bin as I was cleaning stuff out.

I'd stick some up, I've already got a couple of similar things up in the gaming room, but lack space for full sized posters (it's all A4 or post cards).

I just feel that if they've already gone to the effort of creating the art for the game/box/rules then there's minimal more effort involve in making some into standalone art (as in it doesn't need to be designed/started from scratch) and could be something that'd appeal to a lot of gamers, even if it's an add on or stretch.

I'm already going to get the figs & expansion, but I'd happily add in another few bucks for some smallish art pieces to put up. I'd already considered trying to get one of the rulebook pages up but didn't want to have to ruin the book.

I'm sure this has been mentioned. But will Incursion + SNAFU be rereleased in proper plastic rather than restic/equivilants?

There's practically a drought right now at kickstarter for miniatures based board games, it such a great time to launch the Incursion KS right now.. no competition whatsoever. =)

Zwan1One wrote:
I'm sure this has been mentioned. But will Incursion + SNAFU be rereleased in proper plastic rather than restic/equivilants?

Boardgame quality plastic. See Zombicide for an example. We should have prototypes up at the start of the KS

 robertsjf wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
I'm sure this has been mentioned. But will Incursion + SNAFU be rereleased in proper plastic rather than restic/equivilants?

Boardgame quality plastic. See Zombicide for an example. We should have prototypes up at the start of the KS

Oh....

Zombicide plastic isn't too bad.

Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

Make that an and instead of an or and that's the reason. And the Zombicide minis paint up pretty well folks. We'll also be maintaining the metal line (and adding the new sculpts to it) for those folks that want the high detail multi part minis.

The zombicide plastics are actually pretty decent, so I certainly wouldn't be put off by it

Certainly a long way from board game plastics of old!

Does this also mean we can expect the plastics in different colours? Like zombicide so you can play straight out the box if you like and easily be able to tell the minis apart. Doesn't so bad to me anymore. The zombicide plastic has seemed quite popular with people. More so than restic!

Yup, Green for 'mericans, Grey for Germans, Brown for British. Stickers will be made available for mini bases so that players will easily be able to differentiate between, say, HMG APE I and HMG APE II

 robertsjf wrote:
the high detail multi part minis.

Was hoping this is what was going to be in plastic in the box. :-/

The Zombicide plastic is fine for a board game, but I guess I considered this a miniatures game first. Maybe it's my fault for that misconception.

Good to hear that the metal line will continue.

I guess it goes without saying that the new plastics will scale perfectly with the old metals?

Though I suppose I actually would like to hear you say it!

The zombicide type plastic makes me really sad. It's fine for a game like that but Incursion deserves so much more! (Unfortunately, I really don't like metals)

Oh well - I still watch with interest anyway.

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess it goes without saying that the new plastics will scale perfectly with the old metals?

Both use the same masters but the plastic is prone to some slight shrinkage. We're going to get one of our studio painters to whip up the plastics once we get them and maybe do some side by sides with the metals.

 robertsjf wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess it goes without saying that the new plastics will scale perfectly with the old metals?

Both use the same masters but the plastic is prone to some slight shrinkage. We're going to get one of our studio painters to whip up the plastics once we get them and maybe do some side by sides with the metals.

Good enough - looking forward to it!

And, you know, the Kickstarter launch too!

 robertsjf wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess it goes without saying that the new plastics will scale perfectly with the old metals?

Both use the same masters but the plastic is prone to some slight shrinkage. We're going to get one of our studio painters to whip up the plastics once we get them and maybe do some side by sides with the metals.

Please, by all means, tease me with miniatures.

 robertsjf wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

Make that an and instead of an or and that's the reason. And the Zombicide minis paint up pretty well folks. We'll also be maintaining the metal line (and adding the new sculpts to it) for those folks that want the high detail multi part minis.

and actually Sedition Wars, for all it's faults, did show that those plastic production lines are capable of more than many of the ZC plastics would make you believe (as good as they already are). Never played incursion before but if I can scrounge up the cash I'm in

 Bolognesus wrote:

 robertsjf wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

Make that an and instead of an or and that's the reason. And the Zombicide minis paint up pretty well folks. We'll also be maintaining the metal line (and adding the new sculpts to it) for those folks that want the high detail multi part minis.

and actually Sedition Wars, for all it's faults, did show that those plastic production lines are capable of more than many of the ZC plastics would make you believe (as good as they already are). Never played incursion before but if I can scrounge up the cash I'm in

Sedition Wars and Zombicide don't use the same plastic.

Sedition Wars had beautiful miniatures, if they're on the same caliber, you have another backer!

 cincydooley wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 robertsjf wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

Make that an and instead of an or and that's the reason. And the Zombicide minis paint up pretty well folks. We'll also be maintaining the metal line (and adding the new sculpts to it) for those folks that want the high detail multi part minis.

and actually Sedition Wars, for all it's faults, did show that those plastic production lines are capable of more than many of the ZC plastics would make you believe (as good as they already are). Never played incursion before but if I can scrounge up the cash I'm in

Sedition Wars and Zombicide don't use the same plastic.

Whuh, are you sure about that? I thought it was basically small variations on the same theme etc?

 Bolognesus wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 robertsjf wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Fine by me if it means keeping the prices reasonable... or packing more plastic into the box as it is.

Make that an and instead of an or and that's the reason. And the Zombicide minis paint up pretty well folks. We'll also be maintaining the metal line (and adding the new sculpts to it) for those folks that want the high detail multi part minis.

and actually Sedition Wars, for all it's faults, did show that those plastic production lines are capable of more than many of the ZC plastics would make you believe (as good as they already are). Never played incursion before but if I can scrounge up the cash I'm in

Sedition Wars and Zombicide don't use the same plastic.

Whuh, are you sure about that? I thought it was basically small variations on the same theme etc?

Positive. Sedition Wars used multipart plastics that are closer to a restic. Zombicide used a plastic that's pretty similar to what FFG is using now.

We have the APE prototypes! Now, due to the process the plastic minis will be about 5% smaller than the metal minis. As mentioned, we will be maintaining the metal lines.

Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

Is that the actual level of detail the plastics will have (e.g. are these from a prototype mold) or are these some sort of 3dprints/resin masters?

They look pretty damn good for sure

Furious Retreat wrote:
Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

Request seconded please!

Alpharius wrote:

Furious Retreat wrote:
Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

Request seconded please!

Thirded?

I'm going to have a hell of a time getting those heads and helmets painted if it's all one piece. Pray for me people!

...if it's hidden so far 'inside' a model a basecoat and wash generally gets you he best result visible from over 20cm away regardless look at it as saving you the hassle

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Furious Retreat wrote:
Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

Request seconded please!

Thirded?

I'm going to have a hell of a time getting those heads and helmets painted if it's all one piece. Pray for me people!

Oh? You're going to paint the Americans then? They're all yours. I guess I'll take ze Germenz!

I like the look of these! Seeing as I never got round to collecting the metal ones, I won't have any issue with scale. I had forgotten how nicely detailed they all were!

Furious Retreat wrote:
Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

The proto's are actually a little bigger than the final production model. They were produced so we could see what we'd be dealing with in plastic. As a result, they're about the size of the metal mini. As soon as I get finals in hand I'll post a comparison.

 Barzam wrote:

Oh? You're going to paint the Americans then? They're all yours. I guess I'll take ze Germenz!

Uh... that was merely speculation on my part if I was to actually paint them. You know I don't paint board game components!

I might make an exception for the gorilla.

All 12 sturmzombie prototypes and the final artwork for the poster. A small version of the poster will be made available during Gencon at the Bombshell Babes booth. The full 30"x42" poster will be part of the kickstarter campaign.

Hmm, am I to understand zombies in the incursion setting are physically incapable of placing their right leg in front of their left?

 Bolognesus wrote:
Hmm, am I to understand zombies in the incursion setting are physically incapable of placing their right leg in front of their left?

I'll see if we can't do a few favoring the left foot if we get far enough into the KS stretch goals!

Well, if you ever watch Power Rangers or play games like Super Robot Wars, the bad guy is always on the left. Clearly that's what is going on here. They're on the left side of the screen attacking the hero on the right side. Momentarily the hero will be doing his final attack and destroying them all.

I'm liking what I'm seeing of the zombies. So, 24 Zs will be in the base game. Can we expect a stretch goal to increase that number?

robertsjf wrote:

Furious Retreat wrote:
Looking great. Any chance of comparison pictures against the metal miniatures, so I can get an idea of size difference.

The proto's are actually a little bigger than the final production model. They were produced so we could see what we'd be dealing with in plastic. As a result, they're about the size of the metal mini. As soon as I get finals in hand I'll post a comparison.

Completely out of curiosity: If they can deliver prototype figures in that material at the correct size, why do the production figures have shrinkage?

Really looking forward to this KS!

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:
Completely out of curiosity: If they can deliver prototype figures in that material at the correct size, why do the production figures have shrinkage?

The protoypes are made one-off (similar to a master) while the regular production actually has a set of moulds utilized to knock out 6-10 miniatures at a time.

 robertsjf wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Hmm, am I to understand zombies in the incursion setting are physically incapable of placing their right leg in front of their left?

I'll see if we can't do a few favoring the left foot if we get far enough into the KS stretch goals!

Ah, now the game is truly feature-complete

I've been eying the Incursion APE Figures for years, but never got a chance to pick them up. I can't wait for this Kickstarter to start. I'm going to be so poor!

 Thatguyoverthere wrote:
I've been eying the Incursion APE Figures for years, but never got a chance to pick them up. I can't wait for this Kickstarter to start. I'm going to be so poor!

I ordered a box of them plus extras from Maelstrom before they went under along with brain-in-a-robot-jar and a ton of other Incursion and SotTR stuff including the rulebook. They were on "back order" for months and I never got them (though I did secure my money back). I ended up buying a bunch of DUST models to use instead.

It'll be nice to be able to finally get all these things.

We've got the latest revision of the box art for both Incursion and SNAFU in a nice side by side shot. Notice the word SNAFU in bright colors!

Very nice!

Launch this thing already!!!

Alph: Aug 7

I have three images to show you. Two are finished versions of art that you've already seen and the third is a bit of graphic design we'll be using for the KS. We would love your input!

I see you've potentially got some goals "way up there"!

Probably a good idea in terms of making sure you're covered and all that...

I like the art, and I hope we make it to plastic doors!

Also, apparently I'll be in at 'Metalhead'!

Are the different graphics associated with different levels? If that's the case, it's a very good idea. I know CMON did this with the Zombicide 2 campaign and it was really, really helpful.

yeah,
Very excited about this!
$700k !
I hope it does well As I think plastic doors sounds awesome.
for both this and other terrain projects!

Also try to not kill international interest with shipping costs!
It's turned me off many a kickstarter!
If shipping is killer I'll probably decide to sit it out and buy retail...

Panic...

Cool use of the 'donut' or 'lifebuoy' flamethrower

Any chance of a hint to the price of the sweet spot level (metalhead, I guess)?
As in, is this going to be in the ZC/SW price range, or more like that recent Cthulhu board game?

 Alpharius wrote:
I see you've potentially got some goals "way up there"!

What do you mean way up there? That's stretch goal #2 after funding! You don't think we will have blasted through that after 30 seconds?



I'm teasing! We've charted stretch goals quite a ways up in case you folks decide to make this KS wildly successful. We don't want to be caught flat-footed

 cincydooley wrote:
Are the different graphics associated with different levels? If that's the case, it's a very good idea. I know CMON did this with the Zombicide 2 campaign and it was really, really helpful.

Yes, the different portraits are associated with different pledge levels. Figuring out who gets what always seems to be a challenge on may KS's and this seemed like an easy way to represent which pledge levels are included on the stretch goals

 Panic wrote:

Also try to not kill international interest with shipping costs!

We've tried not to but the post charges us more to send stuff to folks internationally! Bastards! We've subsidized shipping at all levels with the higher pledges getting a greater level of subsidization.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Cool use of the 'donut' or 'lifebuoy' flamethrower

Thanks! The Flamethrower, portable No. 2. Despite the zombies and werewolves and floating brians with machine guns we actually strive to be historically accurate where we can. It may be hard to see but the MI-13 commandos are actually packing em-2's.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Any chance of a hint to the price of the sweet spot level (metalhead, I guess)?
As in, is this going to be in the ZC/SW price range, or more like that recent Cthulhu board game?

We'll have something for you in a bit!

Yes, the different portraits are associated with different pledge levels. Figuring out who gets what always seems to be a challenge on may KS's and this seemed like an easy way to represent which pledge levels are included on the stretch goals

Just keeping "these are all the extras you get with this level" pics is great in that regard, as well (with perhaps a big fat red "locked" over any stretch components not yet unlocked) - and it probably doesn't hurt in the sales pitch once you start hitting a stretch goal or two!

We've tried not to but the post charges us more to send stuff to folks internationally! Bastards! We've subsidized shipping at all levels with the higher pledges getting a greater level of subsidization.

any chance of a separate container headed for the EU if enough EU backers pledge?

We'll have something for you in a bit!

Oh, you tease!

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Very excited about this!
$700k !
I hope it does well As I think plastic doors sounds awesome.
for both this and other terrain projects!

Also try to not kill international interest with shipping costs!
It's turned me off many a kickstarter!
If shipping is killer I'll probably decide to sit it out and buy retail...

Panic...

It will be USA based, so... they'll probably have to find a EU based partner...

...which they already have in West Wind!

 robertsjf wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I see you've potentially got some goals "way up there"!

What do you mean way up there? That's stretch goal #2 after funding! You don't think we will have blasted through that after 30 seconds?



I'm teasing! We've charted stretch goals quite a ways up in case you folks decide to make this KS wildly successful. We don't want to be caught flat-footed

Well I bid you guys luck with it, a large fanbase certainly helps as I've learnt from my own Kickstarter.

Though I'm curious, will the MI-13 flamethrower be available through the Kickstarter?

 stormwell wrote:
Though I'm curious, will the MI-13 flamethrower be available through the Kickstarter?

That guy was made for the KS!

 robertsjf wrote:

 stormwell wrote:
Though I'm curious, will the MI-13 flamethrower be available through the Kickstarter?

That guy was made for the KS!

Where do I send my wallet?

Because I know you Dakkanaughts are huge dog lovers, Nigel, the MI-13's v-serum mutated bulldog

 robertsjf wrote:
Because I know you Dakkanaughts are huge dog lovers, Nigel, the MI-13's v-serum mutated bulldog

Needs robot parts

I'm curious about MI-13's battle chaplain myself.

Does he kick ass in the name of the Lord? Because I couldn't help but think of Kung- Fu zombie fighting priests a la Brain Dead/ Dead Alive when I started thinking of battle chaplains.

Also- will 10 doors be enough for a typical game? Escape:Fight for Freedom offered up doors but there weren't anywhere near enough, which was a bit of a bummer.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm curious about MI-13's battle chaplain myself.

Does he kick ass in the name of the Lord? Because I couldn't help but think of Kung- Fu zombie fighting priests a la Brain Dead/ Dead Alive when I started thinking of battle chaplains.

Also- will 10 doors be enough for a typical game? Escape:Fight for Freedom offered up doors but there weren't anywhere near enough, which was a bit of a bummer.

IIRC the Battle Chaplin in SOTR had a sword.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Also- will 10 doors be enough for a typical game?

Perfect number for a typical game!

 robertsjf wrote:
Because I know you Dakkanaughts are huge dog lovers, Nigel, the MI-13's v-serum mutated bulldog

I'm down for this. Out of curiosity, if someone were, say, interested only in getting the plastic figures and not the game, is there going to be a level for that?

 Barzam wrote:

I'm down for this. Out of curiosity, if someone were, say, interested only in getting the plastic figures and not the game, is there going to be a level for that?

Hey! You said you were getting the game this time! Don't you go back on your word!

Now if Grindhouse were to devise some single player AI rules for when I can't get anyone to sit down and play against me, well, then I guess I don't have much choice but to get the game....

 Barzam wrote:
Out of curiosity, if someone were, say, interested only in getting the plastic figures and not the game, is there going to be a level for that?

As of right now, no, at least not during the KS. Now after release we will do plastics seperate as reinforcements, but we haven't developed the logistics for that yet.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

 Barzam wrote:

I'm down for this. Out of curiosity, if someone were, say, interested only in getting the plastic figures and not the game, is there going to be a level for that?

Hey! You said you were getting the game this time! Don't you go back on your word!

Now if Grindhouse were to devise some single player AI rules for when I can't get anyone to sit down and play against me, well, then I guess I don't have much choice but to get the game....

I'm still planning to back it, I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

So far, it looks like the confirmed new sculpts we'll be getting will be German drop armor, British flamethrower, and the mutant bulldog. Can we expect more new figures for the KS? Or possibly a stretch that will multiply the number of zombies in the box?

Greman drop armor is a stretch goal! Brit flamethrower and mutant bulldog will be available right off of the bat. There will be other new figures and opportunities for more zombies


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It's Rosie in color! We've looped back around to complete this concept of the APE mechanic/medic/combat engineer. Boy that sandwich looks delicious!

Here are the cards for the Kickstarter Exclusive Character Pack #1. First time you've seen Nigel in full color and also the first time you've ever seen Brigitte.

Brigitte has psychic powers - nice!

What does a scalpel* do? Or Rosie's power tools*?

You'll put an explanation* on the card*, right?

Or will that only be in the rulebook*?

Please tell us there will be more mercenaries like Brigitte!










*sorry

It'll be in a rulebooklet

From Facebook






Grindhouse Games



Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

so if you want it, save your pennies for the KS....

Box Contents

But no upgrade pack for those who've already got the existing game, correct?

I'll be picking up the expansion anyway

Also, "Science!" as a special ability? Nice!

Any chance you can expand the diameter of the bazooka so it looks like the rocket could fit as you move towards plastic minis?

So is the material used for these models and quality level pretty on par with the Dust stuff?

Yeah, that bazooka looks like he's going to use a blowgun or something!

Typical kickstarter question- how long will the campaign run and will be able to contribute with paypal at some point or another?

Wife doesn't care what I do with paypal money but eyebrows will be raised when hundreds of dollars start drifting out of bank accounts. I've failed every single saving throw against eyebrow raises since we've been married.

Paypal has a virtual cc nowadays I believe; that, or you could use one of the virtual visa or mastercard-based cc providers (I use neteller though there's probably better options!) and just fill that account from paypal. I don't have an actual CC but you wouldn't guess, with my KS backer history page

Grindhouse Games Facebook wrote:
Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

so if you want it, save your pennies for the KS....

Not sure I'm a fan of this "news". You will be selling it to retail stores yourself according to the FB comments, and likely offering a better deal than a distributor would, to boot:

Grindhouse Games FB Post wrote:
We'll sell direct to retailers who are interested in carrying us and give them similar or more attractive terms than the big distributors. Sorry if this was not clear in my post.

Why the cut out of online retailers? You do realize that large segments of your fans/potential customers do not have a local game store, right? Or if there is one, it is likely not deserving of business.

Also, not a big fan of the tone of the posting either.

Suddenly not sure I'm going to pledge, despite owning the game already (sans miniatures) and initially looking forward to it.

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:

Why the cut out of online retailers? You do realize that large segments of your fans/potential customers do not have a local game store, right? Or if there is one, it is likely not deserving of business.



~Eric

Guess they ought to support the kickstarter or buy direct from Grindhouse...

If they buy online now because of a lack of a local store, it should not be an issue.

After seeing the sets, I think I'm just going to go in for the base game. SNAFU isn't really catching my fancy.

 Taarnak wrote:

Why the cut out of online retailers? You do realize that large segments of your fans/potential customers do not have a local game store, right? Or if there is one, it is likely not deserving of business.

~Eric

Customers who want the game, but can't/don't want to invest in the kickstarter can buy online, directly from Grindhouse. Or on some other secondary market like Ebay. I don't see any reason why not selling to other online realtors should be a problem.

 Barzam wrote:
After seeing the sets, I think I'm just going to go in for the base game. SNAFU isn't really catching my fancy.

I agree, not nearly enough zombies. And I already have a techo gorillla from Reaper.


Although those MI-13 look pretty tasty.

At least they are honest that this is not an actual restart of Incursion, but just a singular money-grab with no further support.

 Kroothawk wrote:
At least they are honest that this is not an actual restart of Incursion, but just a singular money-grab with no further support.

Seriously? Come on, they are reissuing the game with plastic figures. Expensive metal figures has been the most consistent and loudest complaint against the game since it was launched. How does giving fans what they want equal a money grab?

rwwin wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
At least they are honest that this is not an actual restart of Incursion, but just a singular money-grab with no further support.

Seriously? Come on, they are reissuing the game with plastic figures. Expensive metal figures has been the most consistent and loudest complaint against the game since it was launched. How does giving fans what they want equal a money grab?

Kroothawk, we also have two expansions mapped depending how the re-release goes. So it is an actual restart, we just dislike dealing with distributors.


In other news:

KICKSTARTER LAUNCHES ON AUGUST 1st!

Contest time! We need to get the Facebook Likes boosted. Can you help? We're at 825 right now. If we can get to 1,000 by midnight USA Central time on August 1st, we'll pick a liking fan at random and that person will get the following: new exclusive Gretel sculpt in metal that is being done by Bombshell Babes, professionally painted to display- quality standard.

Also have the trailer up!


https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Grindhouse-Games/139536469402885?hc_location=stream

I'll agree that the tone of that post is very odd, and the "We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards" is also rather odd, which insinuates that it's not going to be an ongoing, readily-available supported product.

The Australian "Online discounters" I buy from are my only local choice to buy from an Australian retailer without getting shafted on paying +50% or +100% "Australian (so-called) RRP". Buy buying from the local "discounters" like Games Empire or Combat Company, I actually manage to pay about the same (a little more in fact) than exchange-rate retail and importing things myself from the UK. Buying from B&M here means paying a whole lot more.

Yeah,
I'll be backing the kickstarter if the shipping to the uk is acceptable. Ideally 5-10% of my basic pledge.

If not I'll be looking for a online retailer like darksphere...
Honestly kickstarter will be your best chance to hook me with attractive stretches extra zombies and exclusives... once I'm in a B&M store you will be competing with all the other shiny new releases...

Panic...

If you assume 100 dollar pledge, there is no reasonable way for Grindhouse to ship the weight/volume for 5-10 bucks. If you go to USPS and look at international rates, you quickly find they are not cheap.

I guess if we assume US shipping prices are included in the pledge (say about $10-15 of $100) then adding just another $10 for overseas may be possible, but it is probably still low (Grindhouse eats the excess shipping cost at that level). They may able/willing to do so. We'll see.

LOVE that plastic MI-13 Gracie model in plastic!

Yeah,
I'm glad you acknowledge that shipping is not 'free' while in the US.
Also being that these games get produced in china you have to wonder what the actual shipping costs are.

With the amount of sales they expect they should be able to find a UK/Euro partner.
(http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk were already mentioned.)

Start asking for 15%+ and I'm out...

Panic...

I am open to pay upto around 20-25% on a big box game with minis as long as they post European copies from within the EU otherwise I wont back a project if postage is more than 15% (I do make an exception if its a game I have been eagerly awaiting for a very long time from a proven retailer).

 Azazelx wrote:
I'll agree that the tone of that post is very odd, and the "We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards" is also rather odd, which insinuates that it's not going to be an ongoing, readily-available supported product.

Just means we won't do massive print runs to have walls of stock on hand. If the demand is there we will continue to keep Incursion in print via several smaller print runs.


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Incursion: The T-Shirt!

As I'm looking over the parts lists, would I be wrong in assuming SNAFU is playable on its own? Or at the very least would I be able to drop in a few zombies and officer types of my own?

My brother was talking about getting the base game, and I'm liking the stuff in the expansion a bit more. Just curious if I'll be able to play it at my house without him bringing his copy of the game over.

Any hint on what those future expansions might entail? Russians? Japanese? Viking spirits? Dinosaurs?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
As I'm looking over the parts lists, would I be wrong in assuming SNAFU is playable on its own? Or at the very least would I be able to drop in a few zombies and officer types of my own?

My brother was talking about getting the base game, and I'm liking the stuff in the expansion a bit more. Just curious if I'll be able to play it at my house without him bringing his copy of the game over.

You need Incursion to use SNAFU.

Any plans to offer different designs for the front of that shirt?

Plus, I know I have all the black t-shirts I'll ever need - any option maybe for white, or tan?

 Alpharius wrote:
Any plans to offer different designs for the front of that shirt?

Plus, I know I have all the black t-shirts I'll ever need - any option maybe for white, or tan?

Seconded. gak, I'd love to see one in red.

What's wrong with Emo Black? It's been made clear that we should consider alt shirt colors and designs. Stay tuned.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Any hint on what those future expansions might entail? Russians? Japanese? Viking spirits? Dinosaurs?

I want to do the Russians next but Jim wants to do the Japanese. We'll probably make that the last question of the survey. But this Viking Dinosaur Spirit idea intrigues me. Pitch it!

 Alpharius wrote:
Any plans to offer different designs for the front of that shirt?

Plus, I know I have all the black t-shirts I'll ever need - any option maybe for white, or tan?

I've also found that I quite like Tan t-shirts. Or "stone", or "pebble", which are both essentially tan.

Honestly, I'd be interested in any non 'traditional-gamer" color.

Give me a day-glo shirt with just a black incursion logo on it and i'd be stoked.

I'm not a big game t-shirt fan so whatever design/color you go with is okay by me. I'll find someone to give it to.

If you made it a simple incursion logo and did the shirt in a dri-fit type material that I could wear to the gym, I'd buy two.

The shirt in blue or yellow would be rather nice heh.

 cincydooley wrote:
Honestly, I'd be interested in any non 'traditional-gamer" color.

Give me a day-glo shirt with just a black incursion logo on it and i'd be stoked.

That's actually a good point as well. Well, half of one. I wouldn't go for a day-glo shirt personally, but I'd probably wear one (black, red, sand) with the logo but without the picture of a zombie. Because I am an adult and am happy to wear clothing with cool-looking icons and logos, but notsomuch drawings.

KS is live by the way.

 cincydooley wrote:
KS is live by the way.

Pledged!

Interesting that they've chosen not to early bird, when other recent campaigns (mantic etc) have gone early bird crazy. Probably just as well considering they launched early! The nerd rage would have been unbearable

Seems a bit cynical that the first $350k of planned stretches are figures that should be in the base game anyway - in the last edition there were standees+cards for 2 Blitzhunds, 2 HMG/Blazer Apes, 3 Bomberzombies etc - now these cards have been taken away to (maybe) be re-added later? Smacks of kickstarter fakery to me but I guess it's a proven ploy.


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Looking at it again, aside from faction dice (& transfers) do the stretch goals really improve the boxed game before plastic doors @ 700k or just 'ungimp' it? I think the extra grunts may be new but can't be sure..

I was a bit underwhelmed to be honest, especially knowing that the boxed game is going to be the same price at retail as it is in the KS and there doesn't seem to be much beyond the 1KS exclusive model that you "get."

I've got it on watch to see in the deal gets better, but right now I'm not exactly feeling it.

Will people be able to pledge just or add ons?

I bet a lot of people would want to get a box of Nazi zombies for a reasonable price.

I'll be keeping an eye out for the inevitable dinosaur viking spirits!

Two hundred bucks for the base game and expansion delivered to Australia? I'm not feeling that either, especially for a Kickstarter.

This makes it more expensive than pretty much every other boardgame I own, excepting only GW products and including all the huge coffin-boxed FFG stuff - and more expensive than buying it locally at retail would be, but then, I guess that's unlikely to be an option either, since you're eschewing distributors. Because my FLGS isn't going to be willing to pay $30+ shipping from you on an untested product when they can get free or close-enough shipping from their local distributors with other products (or free shipping from someone like Reaper).

I'll also throw it on watch and check back in 3 weeks. Though I'll probably watch this thread for something to do.

I'm a bit torn on this too, I'd assumed Grindhouse were UK based (like WW) or would be using a UK distributor (WW), so stuff could be shipped from the UK to UK customers for a reasonable cost. But that's my mistake.

If it's coming from the US then it's different; the postage is quite rightly going to be high (it's a pretty heavy box!), but with the currency conversion, shipping & customs charges (another 25%), I'm going to be paying above retail. Not that you guys can do anything about it.

I'd have been tempted with a lower specials with cards only pledge (Metalhead without the SNAFU stuff), but even that's sitting at around $160 after shipping + tax.

I'm in a bit of a pickle though, as I'll keep an eye out to see if the freebies tempt me, though I was hoping to have sold my Incursion box and metal German starter set at a show this weekend in order to fund the kickstarter.

Herzlos wrote:
I'm a bit torn on this too, I'd assumed Grindhouse were UK based (like WW) or would be using a UK distributor (WW), so stuff could be shipped from the UK to UK customers for a reasonable cost. But that's my mistake.

If it's coming from the US then it's different; the postage is quite rightly going to be high (it's a pretty heavy box!), but with the currency conversion, shipping & customs charges (another 25%), I'm going to be paying above retail. Not that you guys can do anything about it.

I'd have been tempted with a lower specials with cards only pledge (Metalhead without the SNAFU stuff), but even that's sitting at around $160 after shipping + tax.

I'm in a bit of a pickle though, as I'll keep an eye out to see if the freebies tempt me, though I was hoping to have sold my Incursion box and metal German starter set at a show this weekend in order to fund the kickstarter.

Grindhouse is a US company.

I have to admitt I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of low level rewards, plus I'm only after the MI-13 Flamethrower guy but there doesn't seem to be an option to get him as a single figure.

I've pledged $1 for now, will see how the KS goes.

So I've noticed (Texas, it seems?), so it's entirely a bad assumption on my part; since I just assumed the reason they teamed up with West Wind Productions was that they were local to each other.

The conversations about European postage in the comments section is a little worrying. The shipping discussions so far revolve around no European distribution and countering the very high customs fees by only writing 20% of your pledge amount on the customs declaration forms.

If customs decide to open them, which is highly likely given the size and weight of the eventual parcel, then it will take a fair bit of explaining and some large fees.

That's definitely a big risk; it's only take one to be opened for the rest to be viewed with suspicion.

As far as I can tell, some countries will also want to see a real invoice and not just the packaging value (because marking it as a gift or low value is a common trick), and others may do this at random, so it's certainly not without risk.

Edit: It'll be even worse if they spot that you've colluded to put a false price up. I'd take that down from the kickstarter as they'll probably look there to assess value.

yeah,
edited out.
UK cost now includes customs.

Panic...

Panic, don't forget that import duty is also charged on the postage costs so they could add another £4 - £10 on depending on tier level weight.

Pledged $1 just to get the updates....

This Kickstarter just isn't pulling me in like I thought it would.

yeah,
edited out.
customs now included in UK price.

Panic...

The potential customs surcharge is a bummer, but if there is enough non-US demand this could change, as the cost to use a EU distributor will drop.

AS it stands you seem to be getting just a little more than RRP value, but perhaps this is indicative of the ew KS 's. Grindhouse are not a major firm who can offer a shed load of freebies, they would be working for nothing as it is if the goas are met the deals get sweeter.

Another thing to remeber is that this is not on general retail release so you are unlikely to getthe 20-30% mark down from online.Price wise it is comaprable with FFG in a lot of respects

Anyway, I am in and looking forward to marcjh2014

yeah,
edited... uk price now includes customs.


I just don't want to pay for shipping & tax... This is a normal reaction!
I do want this, I already have the card stock version of incursion, I'm in the gang. sans miniatures.
However It's kinda hard to justify the 30% shipping plus customs... in my mind.
Because at the moment thats what the cost is for few extra stretch goal zombies and a fancy Nu Gretel.

This is not solely a grindhouse issue. It's sadly one that turns me off more projects than I fund..
This is my Kickstarter profile.

I buy Cool stuff.
But I hate Postage Costs and Customs Tax, help me Avoid these Things and I'm more likely to take an interest in your project.

Almost to hit home the point...
Last week I bought 21 bases of USA's finest necron scarabs from an ebay.com bits seller for £60. £3 a base not bad...
Today I got hit with £18 customs and royal mail fee... It's now £4 a base and not so great!

Panic...

From the recent comments it looks like they are investigating possible options and should be able to provide an update in a few days.

I think this project really needed a few early bird spots to get things moving, I know that a lot of people hate them but they do create a massive momentum a lot of the time.

It's official

New pledge levels and add-ons in response to your requests!

2 new pledge levels

SNAFU- includes SNAFU, Exclusive Gretel figure (plastic), and applicable freebies/upgrades (per Double Feature), shipped to your door in the USA.

$60 +$30 shippingoutside USA

OG in Plastic-just like Metalhead, but in plastic.

$65 + $30 shipping outside USA

Buckets of Blood allows switch of Exclusives to metal if you want that for some reason. Can't change the language of the pledge level but this is official.

New add-ons:

SNAFU $60. Add $30 for shipping outside USA

APE Set- Ape set from Incursion in plastic. No cards. $25

Incursion core figures- Ape set plus Gretel, Ilsa, Hans, 2x Bomberzombie, Blitzhund in plastic. No cards. $40

SNAFU core figures- MI-13 set including Gracie, Panzeraffe, Drohne, Bazooka APE in plastic. No cards $40

Aeneades wrote:
From the recent comments it looks like they are investigating possible options and should be able to provide an update in a few days.

I think this project really needed a few early bird spots to get things moving, I know that a lot of people hate them but they do create a massive momentum a lot of the time.

I'm actually suprised that this didn't fund in the first few hours. I had expected it to run alot like a CMoN campaign but it doesn't seem to be.

For me the value just isn't currently there... And thats coming from someone who doesn't have to pay outrageous shipping and import fees.

I agree - it is moving at a good clip and will definitely fund, but the whole murky "value" thing isn't there - or at least, not there in a way to really whip this one into a frenzy.

And...that's probably OK!

The Grindhouse guys seem pretty smart to me, and probably know what they can and cannot do.

I would love for this one to go absolutely nuts, light a fire under West Wind and get SoTR2 going faster but...we'll see!

They had me as soon as I saw a plastic "MI-13 Gracie"!

 Alpharius wrote:
I agree - it is moving at a good clip and will definitely fund, but the whole murky "value" thing isn't there - or at least, not there in a way to really whip this one into a frenzy.

And...that's probably OK!

The Grindhouse guys seem pretty smart to me, and probably know what they can and cannot do.

I would love for this one to go absolutely nuts, light a fire under West Wind and get SoTR2 going faster but...we'll see!

They had me as soon as I saw a plastic "MI-13 Gracie"!

I wasn't trying to make it sound like I wasn't expecting it too fund...

It was more along the lines of... I had expected for them to try and go for alot of pledges early in the campaign before they have to put up with CMoN's Wraith of Kings KS which will be launching during Gencon.

I'm actually fine with the slower pace. Too many games that have been up lately seem to go at breakneck speeds and wind up really catching the company off guard.

It seems like the value will start coming in once stretch goals get hit. Most of those goals seem to add freebie figures to the assortment, so it'll be there. Just not yet.

No worries - I was basically agreeing with you!

And, yeah, that's a concern - Wrath of Kings!

I didn't realize it was launching that soon.

I won't be pledging for it, but to hear cincydooley talk, the rest of the world will be!

 Barzam wrote:
I'm actually fine with the slower pace. Too many games that have been up lately seem to go at breakneck speeds and wind up really catching the company off guard.
It seems like the value will start coming in once stretch goals get hit. Most of those goals seem to add freebie figures to the assortment, so it'll be there. Just not yet.

Not really. The freebies are simply extras of the existing plastic minis, but in very small numbers. One plastic zombie here. Three plastic zombies there. One Ape. Two Brits, and so forth. Add to that paying the full retail price in a KS a year in advance and the large international shipping cost.. honestly, looking through the stretch goal list, I don't see anything in this Kickstarter that gets me excited to be involved. Ordinarily that wouldn't be a problem, and I'd happily buy it at retail, but since that's apparently not going to be a real option for those of us outside the US due to their stance on distributors...

It'll definitely fund, but I can't see it reaching even close to the million-dollar mark they've got listed there.

And that's a bad thing?

Ask Studio McVey if they think Sedition Wars was a "success". It brought in huge numbers from kickstarter with lots and lots of free stuff, but had tons of complaints on the back end largely because the campaign became too big.

If the Incurson campain funds for just a penny over the goal, with just 500 backers then that's fine with me. I have confidence that Grindhouse set the funding goal at a realistic level and a smaller print run should make it easier to stick to the published schedule and meet quality expectations.

If value is driven only by the number of figures in the box, then yes Incursion won't measure up to CMON kickstarters, but I believe that there's more to games than a bucket of figures.

I am really hoping the next update - probably tonight - is going to give us some good news over the shiipping/customs issue. Hopefully Jima nd John have sorted out a distributor so the potentilal extra costs will now be banished and we get a real pick up from here.

There was another tidbit hinting at something for the UK - fingers crossed about this as well.

As for the freebies etc I believe the issue is simply that apart from the odd couple of figures, there is no scope for some silly giveaway seen in some other KS's of late - most of which seem to be almost buy one get one free. Once you are in a Buckets of Blood level you really need no more figures.

Be nice therefore if the plastic doors option was bumped earlier into the list, maybe to be included with the Incursion set and then as possible add ons etc. if the money is there. Likewise the Objectives set .

All in al,l I think this is what it is, a carefully managed KS from a couple of blokes who want to get their game rebooted and out there, but know their limitations

In my view, Grindhouse are one of the best games companies out there in terms of support and listening to their customer base. As this goes forward, unlike some other KS's I have been in for, I expect little tweaks to try and give us the best value they possibly can.

rwwin wrote:
And that's a bad thing?
Ask Studio McVey if they think Sedition Wars was a "success". It brought in huge numbers from kickstarter with lots and lots of free stuff, but had tons of complaints on the back end largely because the campaign became too big.
If the Incurson campain funds for just a penny over the goal, with just 500 backers then that's fine with me. I have confidence that Grindhouse set the funding goal at a realistic level and a smaller print run should make it easier to stick to the published schedule and meet quality expectations.
If value is driven only by the number of figures in the box, then yes Incursion won't measure up to CMON kickstarters, but I believe that there's more to games than a bucket of figures.

Well, they're the ones with the million-plus dollars of stretch goals on the KS page.

If they didn't want to play the stretch-goal game, they could have just left it with a simple funding goal with a statement of "this is it, we don't want to overextend ourselves" and not loaded the page with stretch goals in the obvious hope that they'd like to get a million bucks and more. Skip all the BS ones adding one zombie, or two zombies and go straight for the actual game improvements, like the plastic doors and extra zombie sculpts. Or adding the objectives into the base game box. (If the full base game is @$75k, plastic doors could be at $100 or $150k, I'm sure.) Since they've decided to play the stretch-goal game, they'll naturally be compared to the other big campaigns, which naturally includes the CMON ones.


But here's the thing.

There's also a huge difference between going crazy with it, overextending yourself like CMON/Sedition Wars did and offering something reasonable. If you want my money a year in advance, there needs to be a payoff. There's quite a few options for sweetening a KS. It might be getting a set of 20 or so "free" zombies (once the moulds are made, the production costs per unit aren't huge). It might simply be getting a reasonable discount rather than paying full RRP (plus shipping) a year+ out.

But as I said, if they weren't eschewing distributors, I'd be happy to just buy the finished retail product next Christmas when it comes out. (How is that a bad thing?) Since they've decided to sell the game direct-only, both to consumers and to retailers, it means that no overseas retailer in their right mind will be ordering from them direct, based on the shipping costs alone. Which means they've decided to restrict their market to US-only (and possibly UK/parts of Europe, if West Wind Step in). As I also said before, their choices here make this game, if I were to go in on the KS, the most expensive boardgame+expack I would own, barring only GW boardgames with AU prices.

I mean, I've got Incursion and SNAFU in their current forms. I've got a few West Wind figures to use with it, and when Maelstrom fethed me over, I picked up a pile of DUST tactics armoured allies to use as APE suits, Warlord Brits to double-duty, DUST Zombies (and Studio Miniatures Nazi Zombies), the Reaper miniatures Gun-Gorilla (and now Bones versions). I don't actually need any of the stuff in the KS, but I'd like to buy it anyway. While the KS setup doesn't appeal, their retail plan seems all kinds of messed up - which is a bit frustrating.

Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread and posted on their FB page (30th July), but I'll quote it.

Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

Though I have to admit that I'm very disappointed that they haven't offered any of the new minis on their own, I would like to get the MI-13 flamethrower guy but I'm not prepared to commit £100 to get him and half a dozen other minis.

 stormwell wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread and posted on their FB page (30th July), but I'll quote it.

Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

Though I have to admit that I'm very disappointed that they haven't offered any of the new minis on their own, I would like to get the MI-13 flamethrower guy but I'm not prepared to commit £100 to get him and half a dozen other minis.

They just lost my pledge...

Latest news:
European fulfillment! Done deal! We just came to an agreement with West Wind in the UK. Alas, between customs fees, import duties , VAT, courier fees, and West Wind's handling fees and overhead, we can't offer a discount on international shipping but you pay NO CUSTOMS DUTIES! We take a hit but it's not too bad. We can live with it. Can y'all help us get the word out?

Game Play video: Okay, okay! We hear you. We're working on one. It'll probably take us a week or so but hang tough. It's coming.

Multiple Pledge levels: pledge as many times as you want at any level you want by adding to your pledge amount. You'll get the stretches for all levels you pledge at. International shipping needs to only be added once, no matter how many different base pledge levels you want. You will notice that it is possible to pledge at SNAFU and Grinder and get more stuff than at Double Feature. This is a hole in the system created by our desire to more fully serve existing fans and our inability to modify existing pledge levels once they are active. We hope you will work with us and just pledge what you need. We will not stop you from pledging whatever you want (or even judge you) but we're hoping you understand.

Pledge Calculator: We're working on one! Again, it may take some time but it's coming.

Alternate t-shirts and add-on dice: When we get to 600 backers, we'll do an alternate t-shirt design. Maybe a poll or something. Haven't decided yet. We'll also put up the special dice as an add-on.

Awesomeness: Sturmzombie packaging: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=608778479145346&set=pb.139536469402885.-2207520000.1375576631.&type=3&theater

This is great news , now I do not have to worry about any additionall costs.

I my opinion the gameplay video is a must to help attract new players, but (I know you and Jim are already hard at it in these early parts of the KS) perhaps more info about the game and how it plays could be added to the front page of the KS as well?

I followed Grindhouse for a long time and I do not see why people are so up tight about your decision for distribution. Big companies like GW, CMoT and the like can afford to produce a lot of possibly redundant copies, that end as online discounts. I can see that on a small scale you need to make every penny count and in the end we benefit as it keeps you in the game alive for possible enhancements or expansions.

I might actually fund this.

Both Incursion and SotR:1949 were great, under-appreciated games. Hell i still have my SOTR books.

Hope this succeeds.

Update #3!

Project Update #3: Almost to 75
Posted by Jim Bailey Like

Looks like we're about to fund! I'm certain we could have done it sooner with early bird specials but we just don't roll that way. In a setup like this, everyone should have equal access to the same deal in our opinion. Anyway, let's make it happen, folks!

We will likely be restructuring the stretch goals. I believe we can get everything you guys see in the current spread in a much smaller number, with some serious compression at the pointy end. Been running numbers all weekend. It's a squeaker but I think it will work. John and I need some more time to work through this but before we deploy but I can comfortably say that the first stretch goal (Blitzhund and card) is going to hit at 80k :-)

A note on the stretches involving figure freebies: these are not just random free figures. If you are pledged at Buckets of Blood or Double Feature, the freebies we've laid out in the campaign will give you just about every possible option under the Requisition Point system. It won't handle crazy stuff like 100% MI-13 trooper build-outs but in general, it's a very carefully considered mix to maximize the potential of your games. That said, what comes in the base games is adequate for all but the most hardcore completists...

Roll of Honor! - thanks Jim Slade for a killer idea. We've had a long hard road over the course of years to get us to where we are today. Every one of you that participates in this campaign is doing exactly what Kickstarter was built to do: helping bring a deserving project to fruition. Many of you could care less what freebies there are or how much this bit or that bit is discounted. You, like us, just need to see this project through in its ultimate incarnation. Everyone who participates in this Kickstarter will have their names wrought in a roll of honor within the new Incursion rulebook as a small token of our sincerest thanks. Since we're now all in this together, it's only fitting...

Thank you,

Jim Bailey and John Roberts

 Alpharius wrote:
Update #3!

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. Many of you could care less what freebies there are or how much this bit or that bit is discounted. You, like us, just need to see this project through in its ultimate incarnation.

I had a healthy chuckle at this.

Don't underestimate the power of wishful thinking!

All kidding aside though, I really do want whatever has to happen to get SoTR2 moving faster!

Funded and now with a more achievable stretch goal list. This with changes to customs costs and the promise of a gameplay video should keep this ticking alomg.

I love the intention to field plastic Para Drop armour, even if funding them seems a mile off, as it makes me think plans to reboot SOTR are not far off as well