There we go! Now that's a proper header? Why didn't I think of that before? My wife set our marriage date on June 6th, many years ago. Even then, she knew me well enough to know that I'd remember the date allied forces stormed Fortress Europe in operation Overlord before I'd remember our wedding anniversary. For that and so much more, I treasure her in a way that is beyond the ability of my poor words to express. She's reading all your comments so you'd better behave! We talk together about the highlights of each day.
As I sit here writing on this hot summer evening in August, John Roberts is working on the demo video you have all been clamoring for. We live two hours apart, he in Georgetown, just north of Austin, Texas, and I'm in San Antonio. I was all set to head up there this afternoon but ended up spending the day working here on the campaign. What a day it's been!
We broke through another stretch goal! 3 more free Sturmzombies added to most pledges. Make sure to check the icon associated with your pledge level and follow it through the stretch chart to see what you'll be getting. We're still working on the expanded pledge chart. I am confident that we'll get all the really good stuff into the campaign. It's all highly compressed from where it was at the start. We're learning as we go.
Let's try to hit another stretch this evening, shall we? We've had _alot_ of pressure to put up some more add-ons sowe've done just that. Dice, plastic doors, and a special "x-treme gamer" Bomberzombie pack. The dice and doors will become upgrades to the base game and SNAFU expansion when we hit the appropriate stretch goals. The special Bomberzombie pack will also be worked into the stretch goals so that Buckets of Blood pledge level gets it for free when it unlocks.
It's ticking through the stretch goals now (up to 95k - extra Grunt APE). I would have thought this kickstarter would be getting more love - it's definitely the best board game of this type I've ever played.
Well it has just nipped over 95k and the game play video is is the offing - possibly tomorrow- so there may be a surge over the next two weeks.
The goals are more realistic and hopefully we will see the new goodies once we hit £100k - Jim keeps dropping hints - and possibly if the German Para Drop infantry are in there at a reasonable stretch level, it could take off.
My expectations are short goals to fill out the requirements for the M-13, then doors and possibly objectives, then possibly the Jerry drop boys at around 175-200k
As much as I would like to see this make enough for Jim and company to produce the drop troops, it just doesn't look like they are going to get that far.
A real facepalm moment was when I found out/realised that SNAFU ($60!) only includes a paper board. Then again, the 10-model add-on for SNAFU is $40, so they're asking for near-miniatures prices for the plastic boardgame pieces that are included, so...
02Laney wrote: It's ticking through the stretch goals now (up to 95k - extra Grunt APE). I would have thought this kickstarter would be getting more love - it's definitely the best board game of this type I've ever played.
02Laney wrote: It's ticking through the stretch goals now (up to 95k - extra Grunt APE). I would have thought this kickstarter would be getting more love - it's definitely the best board game of this type I've ever played.
For me the KS simply doesn't give me enough benefit to pledge. You're not getting it any cheaper thru the KS. The addional miniatures, at this point, are pretty slim. And there's lots of other games out there like it.
cincydooley wrote: For me the KS simply doesn't give me enough benefit to pledge. You're not getting it any cheaper thru the KS. The addional miniatures, at this point, are pretty slim. And there's lots of other games out there like it.
ok I get that as each of us has our limits on the amount we can pledge. I know I am tapped out with my current pledge.
And that Value for each of is different...
Just trying to find out what makes us decide thing,
So for me I like this game due to the comments from those that have played this game before. its been out since 2009 so its not a brand new rules set untested.
And the rules aren't changing [well as far as I am aware]
Also the comparison to it playing like Space Hulk got me drawn into it. As I sold all of my space hulk off [even the 3rd edition] and my kids could play that game. [son's 5 and daughter is 7]
by the time I get this game he'll be almost 6 and should be well on his way to becoming a board game geek like his old man [he loves playing Zombicide and has the highest body count... Dam Dave and his Molotov Cocktails.]
for me this is a game that my kids and I can play and have fun together so it has a good value even with out the added minis.
The other part is the Solo missions so when the kids are at school I can play the game if I choose.
I am in for the long haul.,. do I hope they get more free minis added of course.
Also the comparison to it playing like Space Hulk got me drawn into it. As I sold all of my space hulk off [even the 3rd edition] and my kids could play that game. [son's 5 and daughter is 7]
by the time I get this game he'll be almost 6 and should be well on his way to becoming a board game geek like his old man [he loves playing Zombicide and has the highest body count... Dam Dave and his Molotov Cocktails.]
for me this is a game that my kids and I can play and have fun together so it has a good value even with out the added minis.
The other part is the Solo missions so when the kids are at school I can play the game if I choose.
LGW
Good to see another father getting his kids into gaming. Let me make one suggestion in regards to Incursion. I also have a daughter (11 now) and painted up Gretel up as if she were wearing tights instead of panties. My daughter had asked 'Why would she be fighting in her underwear, that is stupid' so we made it less 'stupid'.
Been there with regards to minis that my wife is not fond of,. [she gives me that look, the one that screams "WTF are you kidding me......"]
I had a card game Kanzume goddess now my Daughter is really good at playing that game even beats me quite a few times now. But my wife put her foot down and said no more due to the large assets the girls have in the art work. [all of them are dressed so its nothing rude] My Daughter knows that they are not real [not every girl has big assets]
the lad is fine to play the game but he is only 5 and not into reading much... eventually he will and we can play Kanzume goddess together as its ok. cause he is a boy....go figure.
The Incursion game is going to be for me and the boy as its more his style, Men wearing big suits of metal charging down corridors hunting Zombies. every time I am on the KS page he runs up to see the minis and points out what he wants.
We both love WW2 tanks though he prefers WWI planes. I also have 4 Battlegroup armies for the Kursk and Overlord rules. every time I have them out to paint he's there watching me.
"I am looking with my Eyes Daddy not my hands" he is learning and will be a great gamer one day.
So in away I am buying this game so we can spend time together battling out in dark corridors with US APE's fighting Nazi Zombies, what could be cooler then that.
yeah,
Funding is currently at $95K
I have the Grinder level pledge plus a box of extra zombies...
Looking at it I don't see any of the next stretch goals as being of any interest to me.
The extra grunt apes Stetches aren't that useful there's already 4 in the box.
The extra Flamer and HMG apes are sorta useful...
However I'd don't see why the Drohne and Bazzooka ape stretch goals are not included at the grinder level stretch goals?
They are the first things that would actually 'add' something to the core game.
They could encourage people sitting on the fence to come in at grinder level.
Wait for the boxed game to hit retail or buy into the kickstarter now and get more variety of apes and a drohne for free!
Lord GreyWolf wrote: Been there with regards to minis that my wife is not fond of,. [she gives me that look, the one that screams "WTF are you kidding me......"]
I had a card game Kanzume goddess now my Daughter is really good at playing that game even beats me quite a few times now. But my wife put her foot down and said no more due to the large assets the girls have in the art work. [all of them are dressed so its nothing rude] My Daughter knows that they are not real [not every girl has big assets]
the lad is fine to play the game but he is only 5 and not into reading much... eventually he will and we can play Kanzume goddess together as its ok. cause he is a boy....go figure.
The Incursion game is going to be for me and the boy as its more his style, Men wearing big suits of metal charging down corridors hunting Zombies. every time I am on the KS page he runs up to see the minis and points out what he wants.
We both love WW2 tanks though he prefers WWI planes. I also have 4 Battlegroup armies for the Kursk and Overlord rules. every time I have them out to paint he's there watching me.
"I am looking with my Eyes Daddy not my hands" he is learning and will be a great gamer one day.
So in away I am buying this game so we can spend time together battling out in dark corridors with US APE's fighting Nazi Zombies, what could be cooler then that.
In a few years, look into Tide of Iron to play with the boy. If you get him into gaming and are willing to simplify the rules/use intro/basic rules, he might be able to get into it even earlier. All those little tanks and soldiers.. it'd be heaven for a kid who's into WW2 stuff.
Yeah, I'm not trying to put you off Incursion, and I know you're very much on board with it.
Check out the D&D dungeon crawls (Ravenloft, Ashardalon, Drizzt). As they're co-op and not all about bewbs, you could play co-op with both your daughter and son as well as playing on their side yourself. (Since Descent is the GMversus the players). They're also quite simple and very accessible.
I am looking for a good fantasy dungeon crawl that my kids can play but I need something that can cater to different creatures I got from the Impact Miniature Chibi Adventure KS.
[but trying to find one that would enable my daughter to use her Ponies is becoming a bit of a fruitless quest.]
I have a big buy into Incursion cause ,my son does and that's what matters to me. still want to see that game play VId and hoping it will be out soon.,.
You can use those to cover Ravenloft pretty easily with a small amount of proxying.
Fantasy Characters are pretty generic to use as substitutes. Use your daughter's unicorn to proxy as the Elven Mage. We've always used nicer proxies for the characters, anyway.
I may be wrong but the reason the stretch for the Bazooka APE and Drohne (as well as the free M13 chaps) is non Grinder is simply because the rules and cards needed to use these models are part of the expansion SNAFU.
I have !st edition and all the metal minis but still feel the Buckets of Blood option gives me. as a non US backer. a good deal. Incursion with new components (including better quality cards) SNAFU with printed cards and markers plus the new Character pack etc ....
Okay even allowing for free postage initially I was about RRP, but given that this is not likely to be available at online discount no issue there. The first kicker is the option to swap out the T shitrt for more Sturmzombies around £20 there if you could get them direct. Lets be a pessimist and say we do not hit the heights to bring in the Para Drop infantry (200k?) if we get close to that all main options are covered and there is a distinct possiiblty that a box of bomberzombies to meet the extreme use of Han von x ;sability will be in place as well/
Each to their own and I will be the first to admit that Wrath of Kings gives you a lot more plastic but the theme is not for me. I am a great fan of Incursion and a chance to keep it in print and possibly expand is, at least to me, worth a bit of my hobby budget.
yeah, I have the first edition too and I'm sure it has the drohne and bazooka dude cut outs. I can check. I understand why the MI13 guys are double feature up as they increase the force unit selection options for MI13 forces. But I don't understand why they have choosen to exclude drohne and bazzoka guys from grinder level backers as they are the first stretch goals that would add anything new to the core game.
Yeah,
You right 1st edition gave me drohnes chits but no rules. No bazooka guys.
They also included.
4 Grunts (same as new of second edition...)
2 Hmgs (new second edition contains 1 standard)
2 Flamers (new second edition contains 1 standard)
2 B Hounds (new second edition contains 1 standard)
4 Bombers (new second edition contains 2 standard)
2 Drohnes (new second edition contains none)
So why not make the stretch goals worth while? People are looking for value in the kickstarter!
So far this kickstarter doesn't even match up to the chits in 1st edition?
Right now I have more options playing the edition I already own... I Might pull out. who am I kidding I want the models!!
I know that that 1st ed gave slightly more options in terms of standees but I do not get the argument about value in relation to the KS. The KS will use actual models to replace the standees so there must be extra value in that.
1st edition Blloodbowl gave you something like 8 teams of cardboard standees but surely noone could argue that 2nd edition even though it only included two teams of figures represented better value? Bit an extreme comaprison but I hope you see my point?
The deal for SNAFU makes even more sense value wise as the expansion was only he book with cut out pages - if you wanted- or you used the downloads to get your standees.
I still believe that if the KS gets to around the £160k mark you are getting a decent deal - especially with the newly offered potential to swap out things like the t-shirt and extra board for other add ons.
Just wanted to mention that both gameplay videos are up on our KS homepage. The short version just covers aspects of gameplay while the long version is a full game. You can simply see how the game plays or just enjoy watching a good game of Incursion or weep openly at my radiant beauty!
Day D+ 20 More Drop Armor and Designers Notes
Update #11 · Aug 20, 2013 · 6 comments
105k! Another day, another stretch. We're starting to get into some really meaty freebies now in the form of specialist troopers. Let's get this campaign in gear!
I have just posted some designers notes written by John Roberts on the new characters from the Exclusive Pack #1 here on our blog. Check it out:
Everything I needed to know I learned from comic books.
Well, not really but there were some comic images that stuck really fast to my impressionable eight year old mind. I bought the two comics you see below from the rack at the local corner store: one in 1977 and one in 1978. These were DCs belated attempt to join the war effort :-) I of course went on to read alot of the DC war titles and Marvel Bronze classics like the Invaders. Later in life I started collecting actual Golden Age Timely and Fawcett classics including some early Captain America, All Winners, and Captain Marvel/Whiz comics. My favorite was Captain Marvel Junior facing off against Captain Nazi. These two comics below kickstarted my deep fascination with "Weird" World War II, though.
Why is this pertinent? I suppose it's to give everyone a sense of the genesis of the madness, really, as we are about to roll out the Fallschirmjager Drop Armor as a stand-alone playable force in Incursion. We'll be dealing out info over the next few days including spectacular imagery of Hauptman Hilde Becker: our version of the Valkyrie in 1949 :-) WOW! Working as fast as we can...
In the interim,it's time to werf some flammen (sez John Allison)!
And a trooper:
Thank you all for your support!
and:
Day D+19: Fallschirmjager 1st Sighting
Update #10 · Aug 19, 2013 · 9 comments
Fallschirmjager MG-42 initial sketch. Thanks again to Andy Cooper of West Wind for the design and thanks to John Allison for the art. There is a bunch more but we're still working back and forth internally on the various character loadouts and poses.
yeah,
Weird question, will the footprint of the new versions box be the same as the foot print of 1st edition?
I like it when games series match/stack/look good...
It's a good question and the answer is no. The old version was based off the AH rectangular bookshelf format whereas these are based off of a square box format. Current dimensions we're working with is 12"x12" but we might need to adjust slightly once we get the new version into production.
If you are looking at a likely 12x12 is the depth remaining the same? I am wondering as given there are now miniatures in the box, I want to know what the storage may be like, nothing worse that having to cram stuff in simply to get tje lid down, especially if you have given them a lick of paint or two - I know that more than likely I opt for a separate case but ....
Day D+ 20 More Drop Armor and Designers Notes 105k! Another day, another stretch. We're starting to get into some really meaty freebies now in the form of specialist troopers. Let's get this campaign in gear! I have just posted some designers notes written by John Roberts on the new characters from the Exclusive Pack #1 here on our blog. Check it out: http://www.grindhousegames.com/blogs/incursion-blog/8717265-designers-notes ... ... WOW! Working as fast as we can... In the interim,it's time to werf some flammen (sez John Allison)!
And a trooper: Thank you all for your support!
Newest update... update 12
Day D+21 Calm Before The Storm wrote:Good evening troops! As you know, we're headed into the final and most critical phase of the campaign over the coming week. John and I know we can count on each and every one of you to push as hard as you can to help get us to the 200 mark. Why is this important? At 200k, there is enough money in the pot to ensure that all of you benefit from a full complement of playing pieces for almost any possible combination of force allocation for any playable force in almost any mission as freebies at the higher pledge levels. Furthermore, the special dice and even more importantly, the plastic doors make it in for free. I think there are a few other goodies we can slip in between 170 and 200. Waterslide Decals and a big pack of MI-13 troopers with corresponding cards can probably happen in this space :-)
You guys are our ambassadors. We really need you to get out into your gaming groups, social media circles, forums you frequent, etc. and help us convince people to support this campaign! Over the top, lads!
You have all been seeing images and reading discussion about the Fallschirmjager Drop Troopers. We are finishing up the art over the next couple of days and intend to introduce this new playable force as add-on to the campaign. This is something we've wanted to do for a couple of years now. We'll need to get the pledge level up to 250k before we can afford the steel dies required to get these guys into plastic but because you guys are insisting, we'll make them available in metal. We have seven figures planned. They are as follows:
1. Hauptman Hidegard (Hilde) Becker: Die Walkure.
2. Feldwebel with STG-44 (rifle grenade and vampyr scope)
The rules are still in an Alpha phase. We'll be asking any of you who are interested to help us test these rules over the next two months or so. We'll provide print and play cards and standups for you to participate! John Roberts will collect game play data via our forums.
Here's the latest John Allison art! Panzerfaustwerfer and Feldwebel
Grindhouse... in the new box tray can we have finger holes to help get the cards out of the slots?
Fantastic game. I have the first edition, the metal minis for the APEs and Germans, and the resin objective markers from Fenris. Did not know about SNAFU until last month when I discovered they were doing this Kickstarter. I am very glad they are doing plastic doors as Fenris no longer produces them. I should probably get the resin generator control panels from them soon.
If you are on the fence about this game jump in now. Nazi Zombies make excellent Plague Zombies as well.
Ok guys here's an update I have been waiting for. At this stage no confirmed price yet, we will get more info tomorrow. So far this unit can be used against the U.S APE's and the MI-13 British troops. But here is the Fun part the Drop Troopers can be used to fight against Hugo Von X as the German High command believe he has gone to far. Either way this new unit will be awesome to play.
they will be in metal with separate metal heads. Plastic versions won't be here until we hit the $250k mark [considering we are at $110k not sure if we'll get there, though we can dam well give it a go]
if you haven't seen this Kickstarter project you got 6 days to before it ends so get over there and have a look.
The German Drop Troopers:
The Starter pack has 7 minis: Hilde Becker, Sarge, MG42 Trooper#1, Flammenwerfer #1, Panzerfaustwerfer#1,Trooper #1,Trooper #2, Drop trooper Dice set.
This is the icing on the cake, these look like having the potential of being great looking figures and if we can get to a chance of one piece plastics, besides besides being good for wargamers, they should some of the nicest board game pieces out there.
We are also promised a little rejigging that should make the all in Buckets of Blood pledge even more attractive to the community.
The next few days should be a blast and all kudos to Grindhouse (Jim and John) for trying to give us the best deal they can - small company but big on listening to their backers
Heads up , the stretch goals have been readjusted and now the DropTroopers and the reinforcement pack (in plastic one piece models) could be a freebie for Buckets of Blood at the $205k level.
A big ask but with the extra Bomberzombies already added as a freebie and with the option of swap out, BoB is looking better all the time.
yeah,
I still think that the bazooka ape and drohne should be grinder stretch goals... there is nothing for us grinder pledgers from $120k till it gets to $150k...
Another stretch busted! Man, we're racking up a lot of free figs and cards now. Let's go get that HMG APE at 120k!
John and I have been digging deep. I think we're all the way to China at this point :-) As we've said, the goal of this campaign is to get as much done as possible without causing us to have to borrow more money. We've been cautious to date as experience has taught us we need to be. We're not a big game company with a fat cash reserve sitting around. We've cut out all the fat now and are committed to getting our own cash contributions to this KS development reimbursed down the road at retail. As of this moment, the AWESOME new stretch chart reflects the best we can do. We're taking a little risk on the stuff past 165k, thinking we can make it up on the backside. The personal risk for us is biggest at the 200k level plastic drop troopers but we're willing to accept that. Buckets of Blood: we hear you. There needs to be some more value for some of you who don't want board and t-shirt (silly kids!). We are doing three things beyond what we have already done, effective now:
1. You may exceed the amount of the items you are switching out and make up the difference by adding to your pledge.
2. You may now include the poster as one of your switch-outs in the calculus. If you wish to switch for JUST the t-shirt, we'll allow you to switch it out even-steven. Please don't make that statement more complicated than it is. Extra ten dollars, blah, blah, blah :-)
3. We have just unlocked the Zombie Bombardier pack as a freebie for Buckets of Blood. Check out the stretch chart. It's pretty :-)
As we have just added close to ten thousand dollars in design cost on our end by committing to the drop troopers, we cannot allow these to be part of the switch-out at Buckets of Blood. Doors and dice are in the same situation. We'll need to unlock them. I believe this is all possible under the current stretch chart.
Thank you all. We had some tangles initially but I believe we will finish this thing strong with your help. School starts tomorrow so I'm going to go spend a couple of hours with my family. Man they are patient with me :-)
Alpharius wrote: I'm a bit confused - are the Drop Troopers in now as an add-on, no matter what?
Yep, you can add on metal versions. If they hit a certain future level of funding (I think 205k?) they will be available in plastic as well (and the BoB pledgers will get the plastic ones included in their pledge).
CptJake wrote: If they hit a certain future level of funding (I think 205k?) they will be available in plastic as well (and the BoB pledgers will get the plastic ones included in their pledge).
At which point I'd expect that a lot of the the BOB backers metal droptroop buyers will pull their $70 metal add on? and the total may fall below funding?
Creator Jim Bailey about 2 hours ago
I just got off the phone with John Roberts. We're gonna do these two things:
1. Add a box of Sturmzombies to Grinder and Double Feature
2. Lift ALL restrictions on Buckets of Blood switch-outs.
I just informed my colleagues that I will be "not in the office" for the next three days. I intend to create a pledge tracker banner at the top of the home page that links to a "what you currently get" page and we will fill out some stretches beyond 205 k.
Let's take this thing home, people...
So guys now there shouldn't be any excuses not join [having a restrictive bank manager aka the wife my let you off this time]
so spread the word.
... Add a box of Sturmzombies to Grinder and Double Feature...
So guys now there shouldn't be any excuses not join [having a restrictive bank manager aka the wife my let you off this time]
so spread the word.
LGW
Azazelx wrote:To little, too late, I fear.
I disagree, the Grinder pledge level is now a great deal right with the extra box of 24 zombies!
Right now with the current Grinder stretch goals you'll get a extra 37 minitures.
1 blitz hound, 2 extra bomber zombies, 30 extra zombies, 4 extra apes!
This makes it twice what you'll get if you wait for retail!
$100 Retail 38 minis
$100 Kickstarter 75 miniatures!
I think this is clearly now the best deal you'll ever get for incursion.
The Grinder level is now really good value and withe addition of the free doors and dice , BoB gets even better, You can now see real savings and of course given that there is likely only limited post KS indie sales, you are not going to see large discounts from online.
At $160k and BoB you are getting all the options for both Incursion and SNAFU you had as standees but now as models and extra characters, proper doors and faction dice to boot.
So what do you get first and foremost a well triedexcellent boardgame, in some ways similar to Space Hulk, but which is much more. The characters are not just an extra defence dice etc but have , well character., the cards and turn bidding add another level of testing.
Best of all post KS, Grindhouse will not just walk away having got your cash, this is their game and you know they will be there actively discussing it and looking for ways to improve it with the rest of what is friendly online community
We have made SWEEPING changes to the campaign since its opening day. Some of the things we have done/achieved:
1. Provided European fulfillment so you pay no import duties in EU.
2. Added a free set of 24 Sturmzombies to the core pledge levels: Grinder and Double Feature yielding 77 and 94 figures (including some large ones) at base-buy in at each of those levels respectively.
3. Massively compressed stretch goals by almost 75%. As of this writing we have unlocked 13 stretch goals. This represents 27 new free figures with associated cards at the Buckets of Blood pledge level.
4. Increased flexibility of Buckets of Blood pledge level by allowing you to switch out the t-shirt and/or extra board for Add-on credit.
5. Added the much requested Fallschirmjager Drop Armor figures and cards.
6. Provided a complete game play video
7. Added two new pledge levels (SNAFU and Ala Carte) to better serve existing fans and provide more add-on flexibility for new fans.
With your help, we will get this campaign up to 205k and include many more free figures (including the new Fallschimjager drop armor in plastic), lots of dice, plastic doors, waterslide transfers, new sculpts, and more.
Since we are catering to a wide variety of desires within our existing fan base as well as new fans, the options available in the campaign may appear complex. If you have any questions at all, please do not hesitate to send us an email or contact us through Kickstarter or ask your question on the Kickstarter comments section. We would be happy to personally walk you through your options if necessary. Here is a link to the pledge calculator that explains options:
yeah,
When you see it laid out like that, you can see they have done a lot to make this work.
This is currently what you get at grinder.
You miss out on a lot of free miniatures if you wait for retail!
I cut and pasted this graphic together from the KS page
If you have a $100 hobby bucks to spend you'd be crazy to not buy this!
I've Upped my pledge to $180.
Grinder Pledge plus two sets of plastic doors... and postage.
By too little too late, I mean they waited too long to start adding the extra value. Considering they were hoping for more than a million initially, it was foolish to wait so long before rejigging the goals and adding the extra zombies, etc. They could/should have had the plastic Fallschirmjaeger unlocked long before now (and $50k in the last 4 hours just isn't going to happen (and BoB people with $70 add-one would then drop the extra cash, as you pointed out earlier).
I would have gone in for double feature, if SNAFU came with a proper fething board instead of a poster for $60. People defending it love to point out that the original (which I already own) was just a book with no minis, boards, etc, but it also didn't cost $60.
Sadly, Panic, your graphic that you cut and pasted together there does much more to sell the game than what they have on their KS page - they have no simple, clear visual to show people what their pledges get them.
If I were them, I'd be following your lead quicksmart on Grinder and Double. Maybe you should do Double and email them the pics - then hope they update the images for the final 24 hours?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I said feth it, backed for $1 and linked your pic, Panic. Seeing as how Jim seems to be looking at the comments right now. We'll see if he takes the advice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Jim's reply was that they have a similar image for Buckets, and we should all go post it all over the web.
Yes. A few others in their comments reiterated that it would probably be a good idea to get the others up. Jim asked if Panic would be interested in doing them since he's slow at Photoshop. I let him know that being in the UK, Panic was probably asleep or at work, so hopefully Jim does it himself and gets it online.
I'd like to see them crack the Fallschirmjaeger for BoB.
It's a really well done graphic. Wonder why they didn't do one on their own. I'm having trouble convincing myself to commit to this. It looks neat, but looks pretty similar to lots of other space hulk type games.
The miniatures
The Theme/setting
The Action cards make this game more then a Space Hulk clone
The fact I take the minis from Incursion and use then in Secret of the Third Reich.
The Guys behind this game Jim Bailey and John Roberts.
cincydooley wrote: It's a really well done graphic. Wonder why they didn't do one on their own. I'm having trouble convincing myself to commit to this. It looks neat, but looks pretty similar to lots of other space hulk type games.
Anyone know what makes it really unique?
Pulpy Weird War 2 Spacehulk. Nothing especially unique in their component parts, just a well-done combo, gamewise. If it gets to $205k I'll probably go in for the buckets of blood level, but I reckon they left it far too late to add the value, and I'm just not excited about needing to drop $200 to "update" a game I already have with figures I don't especially need. (Yes, I need more stuff to make it worthwhile for me).
I imagine they didn't make one of their own graphics because they want to push the Buckets of Blood level over the lower level pledges. Because new backers and people on the fence should all have $300 to drop on a game a year out, right?
Lord GreyWolf wrote: The miniatures
The Theme/setting
The Action cards make this game more then a Space Hulk clone
The fact I take the minis from Incursion and use then in Secret of the Third Reich.
The Guys behind this game Jim Bailey and John Roberts.
LGW
Incursion Fan-boy
Impact Miniatures Fan-boy
So not much for someone that doesn't have any real pressing interest in the Weird War II setting. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like it could basically be interchangeable with the Dust universe, no?
And I don't know Jim Bailey and John Roberts from Adam, so that doesn't really tell me anything.
Thanks for the quick replies regardless.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay. So correct me if I'm wrong but like, 5 stretches in a row didn't include extras for the basic, $100 starter right? And If you want to get the stuff that's KS exclusive, you actually need to throw in $40 more so that you can get KS Pack 1?
Also, was this the KS that originally had stretches out to $1MM?
I have looked at Dust and Tannhauser board game as both are Weird World war II yet both did not grab my attention as much as Incursion and Secret of the Third Reich.
I chose Incursion for one reason every person who has played the game has mentioned it plays "like" Space hulk but way better. The replay value alone is fantastic, the options to choose, the missions all make it a great package and that was with cardboard standees, Now we see the next affordable dimension plastic Miniatures.
I have played Space Hulk my kids have also played the game with me, But both of them love the look of the Grindhouse games minis. So the combination is awesome FOR me.
I intend to take my Incursion minis and play in SotTR against my mates. So I yey again expand the game out even more.
each of us has a reason why we join some its easy as clicking the pledge button others need Value. before they take the plunge.
as for the guys who run it, I like the way they have handled THEIR first Kickstarter yes they made some mistakes but they have learnt from it and are trying their best to get a great range of minis into their box set. looking forward to a second one.,..bring on the soviets.
I am in this for the long haul just wish I had the funds for Bucket of Blood but bank manager won't let me [aka the wife]
So not much for someone that doesn't have any real pressing interest in the Weird War II setting.
And the award for Most obvious Statement, Kickstarters Category, 2013 goes to...
I'm backing this one because I really do like the setting, the miniatures, the game world and the creators AND would love to see this help get SoTR2 some traction towards a faster release...
yeah,
I did that I guess now we have to wait for the americans to wake up!
although if iwas them I would be way too excited to sleep in the final 12 hours of running a Kickstarter!
Also check out this
$275
Bucks of blood get everything that a backer Jim Slade posted in the comments.
That is a lot of stuff for $275! inc free postage.
Yeah, I mean specifics, not general "more stuff". Whats and how manys. It's 2am and my brain is shutting down. I'll be deciding in the morning if I go in or not, and if I do, what level. - Which will depend on the difference in loot between DF and BoB (in an easily understood list format.)
It may determine if I go in for BoB or not at this point, as I'd live to get both games and the Drop Troopers but I could live without some of the stuff in BoB!
yeah, The speed at which Grindhouse's KS is going during the past 24 hours is incredible. $170,391 pledged - 8 hours to go ! The $200K plastic drop troopers looks like a real possibility, and a real boon for those backing at 'Buckets of Blood.'
For me I'm quite happy seeing all the extra zombies pouring into grinder! It currently ships with 60 german Zombies! plus 4 bomber zombies!
Plastic doors as standard will happen. It's only 5K away. I've adjusted my pledge upwards for the final time! to claim the exclusive Minis set...
$100 Grinder. $25 I want a second set of plastic doors. They look amazing. $40 KS exclusive mini set. $30 shipping. --- $195 ... I'm getting carried away for someone who just wanted the core boxed game.
The $100 grinder pledge level Is amazing value. Dakkanauts? Buy this game! This KS is too good to miss out on!
yeah, Just looked at the KS $182k !! 3 hours to go. That $200k milestone is soo close!
Alpharius wrote: The KS exclusive minis aren't in Double Feature already?
Nope. They are included in Bucket of Blood. But not in Grinder or Double feature, at these levels they are an add on extra. $40/$55 Plastic/Metal.
And seem to be the only way to get - Hugo Von X - the mad scientist at the heart of the zombie outbreak. Rosie - a armoured lucky 7 medic Brigitte - a triple agent who works for the highest bidder. Although I expect that these characters will probably all be available later, but with different sculpts.
I'm only really interested in the Rosie and VonX minis and cards. I also hope that the Rosie's miniature isn't sitting and eating a sandwich... that will bug me a lot more than the blitzhound that's always jumping over barrels.
Rosie is supposed to be in an action pose. Enough of us made fun of the sitting eating a sammich pose that Grindhouse gave in to our demands for an action pose.
yup that is why I am waiting to see what she looks like first before I pledge for her.
Not sure my son wants her while the daughter only wants the Ack Pack and Nigel and I want Hugo. So might buy separately as I doubt we will ever use Bridgette.
Lord GreyWolf wrote: yup that is why I am waiting to see what she looks like first before I pledge for her.
Not sure my son wants her while the daughter only wants the Ack Pack and Nigel and I want Hugo. So might buy separately as I doubt we will ever use Bridgette.
You don't get the cards if you buy them as individuals, though - so they'll be useless. Nice touch, eh?
Lord GreyWolf wrote: yup that is why I am waiting to see what she looks like first before I pledge for her.
Not sure my son wants her while the daughter only wants the Ack Pack and Nigel and I want Hugo. So might buy separately as I doubt we will ever use Bridgette.
You don't get the cards if you buy them as individuals, though - so they'll be useless. Nice touch, eh?
yeah but it wouldn't be to hard to get a card.
I wanted to get Hugo and the 2x Ack Pack only but they would be $30 so I might as well spend an extra $10 and get the plastic pack with cards.
As I suggested in the comments - probably the best option.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There's half an hour left on this, and it's finally made it to the drop troopers, which is a nice value increase for BoB. I might go in on this one properly after all.
Jim Bailey 15 minutes ago
feth it. You guys get sub pen. That's a wrap :-)
Thanks from the bottom of our hearts guys. You have all been wonderful. I look forward to continuing our relationship on our forums and facebook. I had a really stressful month but it was a great learning experience and something that will stay with me the rest of my life. You people... you people are wonderful.
Jim
Like a fighter that doesn't know when to quit, that's what this Kickstarter was! It just kept on going!
High buy in made me wary of jumping in for everything. But DAMN did this thing take off in those final few moments! Things ended with a Myth- like ending, where I know I'm not alone in thinking "How the hell can I pass up such an awesome deal?"
I don't think my paypal account will be happy but I most certainly will be.
As said the updated graphics will be posted in a day or two, but effectively all goals were met so as well as twhat is shown , we should get the plastic drop troopers, their reinforcemnt pack plus another two troopers. There was also two extra APES and two M13 chaps
Finally as a bonus you also get the new Sub Pen expansion board.
One really solid deal all around.
he swap outs are the T Shirt and extra board so potentially another $55 to spend on individual add ons, I am probably looking at an extra Panzeraffe, Gracie and a few drohnes.
Yeah,
Before you sell the family farm for extra nazis!
If you have buckets you should keep the second board.
Each board has two different sides.
The different sides line up creating a double sized map.
With the crazy number of figures we are getting at all pledge levels! We will want to play big games and we''ll need the double game area... Fact!
(SNAFU! - But Who wants to play on a poster!? (The poster mimics a double board))
Getting another "proper" board that matches up to the other one perfectly was a draw for BoB. The original 1st Ed Incusion board is supposed to be both similar and compatible, but not exactly the same, as I understand it? - So worth keeping, anyway.
The T-shirt would depend on the final design options, and how appropriate it would be to wear outside the house (without looking like a tool for having a cartoon zombie on your chest or back.)
I have a 1st ed board and getting a 2nd ed board soon. Weeeee!
I will have an orphan match up on boards....
If someone proposes a 1st board for 2nd board trade when we get the rewards I'm all ears
Updated Pledge Graphics and More
Update #23 · Sep 1, 2013 · comment
Hey gang! Happy Sunday. I've gotten a bit of sleep and I'm starting to slog through the back end with John. Here in the USA, it's Memorial Day weekend so I think I'll get another day away from the office to honor my Grandfather who assaulted Normandy and was later wounded at St. Lo and the Battle of the Bulge. I swore I would name my first child after him. It was of course a girl :-) My daughter Harvey bears his name, nonetheless! I wish he was here to see what we've all just done on this Kickstarter. He would be proud.
If you received a notice that your payment to us through Amazon, can you please track the issue down and solve it yourself? There are far too many issues with people's personal payment situation for us to help you through them all. 99% of the issues can be resolved by you. If you cannot resolve the issue, then contact us at sales@grindhousegames.com for alternate payment method.
Do not worry about adding to your pledge (unless you want to) or the specifics just yet. We're still working on a clean back end. It'll take a couple of weeks to get this all sorted through a pledge manager.
If you missed the campaign, no worries. You can join in throughout the month of September and get the same rewards. More details on this soon.
We have taken the liberty of compiling a graphic showing what each pledge level (not including ala carte, Brick and Mortar, or Wallflower) gets. You'll find it in the link below.
Awesome campaign, people. You really came through. Be patient with us! The level of communication you have all come to expect from us will continue all the way up until your toys are delivered to your door.
Project Update #24: The Survey/Pledge Manager Plan
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We have been working with the Backerkit guys to develop the pledge manager. It'll be another week or so before we get it deployed. The Kickstarter survey we send will be very rudimentary and mainly serve to sort between who's doing switch-outs in Buckets of Blood and who isn't. The heavy lifting will get done in our custom Backerkit survey that will follow and the pledge manager. With Backerkit, we'll be able to add new backers and manage all orders (even those of you that we'll be invoicing via Paypal) in one place so nothing gets lost.
The "Checkout" Process
Update #25 · Sep 8, 2013 · 13 comments
For most of you, it will be super easy. If you pledged Buckets of Blood, you're already getting pretty much everything this campaign has to offer and everything you need to play Incursion until you are blue in the face. You'll just choose your shirt option and size and call it a day. You really don't need ANY add-ons. If I were pledging myself, I would pledge Buckets and add a set of Drop Trooper Dice (to have 6 in total) and a Poster. That's it. The vast list of add-ons is provided as a convenience to people who have bought in to this game at various points in its history and only need this or that component and for customizers or people who have a desire to get more miniatures for other game systems or metal figure enthusiasts.
Step 2: We will send a very simple Kickstarter survey sometime this week asking for contact/shipping info and if you intend to switch your pledge level and if so, to what level. We will also ask if you intend to switch out your shirt or extra board. Maybe one or two marketing questions as well. This will allow us to create a custom survey through Backerkit.
Step 3: We will send out a custom survey through Backerkit next week sometime with all of you hopefully in the correct pledge levels. You add on your add-ons, and settle up with us if there is any difference.
Here are the t-shirt options (1,2,3, and4). You'll choose which one you want and your size when we do Step 3. We'll be using Gliden shirts.
Below is a the "what you get" graphic again for your reference/convenience. Yes, SNAFU gets Sub Pen, though it's not shown and yes, there will be a 4th color for Brigitte included in the plastic Exclusive Pack #1.
None of those T-Shirts do it for me, so I'll be trading that in for...something else!
Project Update #27: Backerkit and some previews
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Hey everyone! We're going to turn loose the Backerkit survey today. It's finally ready. If you’ve pledged you will get an email from Backerkit so please keep an eye on your junkmail. Each of you you will then fall into one of the following categories:
I’m happy with my pledge level and amount and responded to the Kickstarter survey accordingly: Do nothing! You will need to get into backerkit if you need to change your mailing address.
I want to add to my pledge and can use a credit card: simply go through the backerkit process. If you have multiple pledges simply add the additional pledges beyond your initial pledge level as an add-on. Please note that BoB has several pledge tiers based on swaps. Pay any additional amount with credit card via Backerkit.
I want to add to my pledge and use Paypal: go through the backerkit process. If you have multiple pledges simply add the additional pledges beyond your initial pledge level as an add-on. Please note that BoB has several pledge tiers based on swaps. Note that additional amount required and send an email sales@grindhousegames.com with the following subject line: “existing pledge, additional amount” and in the body of the email tell us the additional amount added to the original sum. We will send you a paypal invoice and once paid will adjust the pledge amount. You will then go back through backerkit to finalize your order.
I missed out on the KS and want to make an initial pledge and can use a credit card: Send an email to sales@grindhousegames.com with the following subject line: “New pledge, credit card” and in the body of the email indicate your pledge amount and initial pledge level. We will create a $0 entry for you on Backerkit and then you simply go through the backerkit process. If you have multiple pledges simply add the additional pledges beyond your initial pledge level as an add-on. Please note that BoB has several pledge tiers based on swaps. Pay the amount with credit card via Backerkit.
I missed out on the KS and want to make an initial pledge and use Paypal: Send an email to sales@grindhousegames.com with the following subject line: “New pledge, paypal” and in the body of the email indicate your pledge amount and initial pledge level. We will send you a paypal invoice and once paid will adjust the pledge amount creating an entry for you on Backerkit and then you simply go through the backerkit process. If you have multiple pledges simply add the additional pledges beyond your initial pledge level as an add-on. Please note that BoB has several pledge tiers based on swaps.
Let the chaos begin anew! :-)
Also, here are some previews of the Incursion and SNAFU rulebook covers plus a special assets book which will contain rules for Drop Troopers, the Kickstarter exclusives, Sub Pen missions, and whatever else we want to put in there!
I upgraded to Buckets of Blood - too good not to! traded in my t-shirt for $30 credit. With a extra $29 I bought the drop troops expansion pack plus 3 drohnes and some more german dice.
$304 total. A lot for a game? yeah but there is so many cool miniatures! I can't wait.
Oct 29, 2013
Backerkit closing out day after tomorrow!
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Hey gang! Just a reminder that we'll be closing up pledges on Backerkit on the 31 of this month. That would be day after tomorrow. If you want to get in on the goodness, jump now. We'll be moving into retail preorder mode on Friday. Tell all your pals! Sorry for the lack of chatter. We've really been needing to nail down this part of the campaign before progressing to production. Still on schedule though!
Well, nothing super exciting to report. Bunch of boring business stuff going on. I am so relieved that we have closed down Backerkit! At last, John and I know how many and what of what we need to produce. We've been sweating over spreadsheets trying to figure out how to produce it in as few item codes as possible. The good news is we've got it sorted and are working with Panda on the specifics at last. Yes, Panda is doing this one so rejoice.We're two months behind where I thought we'd be but still on schedule! Wendy at West Wind and I have decided we are going to build a proprietary database that works for complicated game Kickstarters. The tools that are available off the shelf out there are WOEFULLY inadequate. If y'all see John Roberts, give him a chuck on the shoulder. He's been nothing short of heroic dealing with all the manual changes to Backerkit and manual paypal invoicing.
Posters! We now have the quantity and the quote! Producing them locally so we should start shipping them in the next couple of weeks. I think we won't get t-shirts out to you guys in time for Thanksgiving but we can make it a merry Christmas. John's compiling the list for me now.
In other news, our dear friends at West Wind Productions are starting up another Kickstarter: 15mm War and Empire! It hasn't launched yet but should quite soon. Check out their website:
Jan 11, 2014
T-shirts, Posters, and a Peep Show
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Posters: everyone except EU should have a poster if you paid for one (note they are not freebies associated with any pledge level...you would have had to actively decide to get one). Wendy at West Wind said she started shipping to EU this week.
T-shirts are in! John Roberts will be picking them up from me tomorrow morning come hell or high water, and begin shipping. Again, EU will be delayed because we need to sort the orders then send to Wendy at West Wind in UK for distribution to you. All four shirt designs are pretty awesome. We went with a real high-end printer and paid more than I had estimated but it's worth it. It's all machine screen printed in CMYK plus white and black on lovely soft Glidan shirts.
Gretel exclusive figure render! Can't wait to get this mastered and painted up. Dave Taylor of the newly formed Dave Taylor Miniatures will be doing the honors. His paint job will go to our Facebook contest winner. No, we didn't forget about that!
Still in negotiations with the Chinese manufacturer. Production schedule is slipping. Not sure by how much but it's starting to look like more than just a few weeks. As I know new things, so shall you my friends. Thanks for your continued patience and support!
New update. Sorry can't copypasta since I am on phone. Short version is about a10- month delay from now ( now being the original ship date). By the sounds of it they haven't started on the plastics at all. Yay.
HI there everyone. Time for monthly update! As I have said previously, I only intend to send out one update a month and I want them to be substantive. I think you will find this one to be so :-) To start with, John and I want to profusely thank you all yet again for your patience and support. You've all been so great. There is alot to talk about this month so I better get to it.
Boxed Game Production
Well, clearly I was a bit optimistic in my shipping estimate :-). I've been going into "mountain pose" a lot, lately. The first two runs of Incursion only took a few months from completion on our end to delivery on your end but we didn't have the complexity of 50-odd different plastic miniatures to deal with along with a simultaneous printing of a major game and what is essentially two expansions. We're clearly behind schedule though. I'll write an analysis when all is said and done but I think what is causing most of the delay is this: everybody is utterly inundated by the Kickstarter craze of the last couple of years and the whole system is backlogged. It's getting done though. Of that we have no doubt. What is entirely unknown is exactly when it will be complete :-)
I've asked Michal Lee of Panda games (in whom I have the utmost confidence) to write a note to all of you to give you a little insight into their production process. We are under contract and they received a down payment of $80,000 from John and I a couple of weeks ago after a long negotiation. Here it is:
Dear backers of Incursion,
Panda is extremely excited to be working on the production of Incursion. We think the game is going to look fantastic and I know from my conversations with Jim Bailey that he is extremely passionate and committed to working with us to bring you the highest quality game that we can produce. Incursion has a large number of unique and detailed miniatures so this is certainly one of the more complicated projects we’ve had to work on. The plastic miniatures are the components that will require the greatest amount of time to produce. All other components (dice and printed materials) can be completed in a relatively shorter amount of time.
We completed final analysis on all of the plastic miniatures and are now working on creating temporary moulds for all of the figures so we can make samples for Grindhouse Games to inspect. Typically, a few rounds of iteration are required during this part of the process to ensure that we can produce the figures to match the original sculpts, keeping our manufacturing limitations in mind as well. Each round of iteration takes approximately 4-6 weeks so it is difficult to gauge exactly how much time we will spend in this part of the production process. Sometimes we can get it right on the first try and sometimes 3 or 4 rounds of iterations are necessary.
After the temporary samples are looking great and approved, we will produce moulds which take approximately 5 weeks to produce. Afterwards, the final production of the figures will take around 8 weeks including assembly and quality control.
As much as we want to get this game in your hands as soon as possible, our top priority is ensuring that the game quality is top notch so that you will have a wonderful game which you can enjoy for many years.
Sincerely, Michael Lee, Managing Partner of Panda Game Manufacturing
Budget
When last we spoke, I told you that we would be able to fulfill the Kickstarter but we wouldn't have enough money to do a retail release. This is still true however we are in negotiation with a mid-sized game company with major distribution assets to co-publish with us and up the print run of the Incursion boxed game by a couple of thousand copies. This is all still very preliminary. We also have had some significant personal investment offers. Anyway, more on all that next month as and if things get more concrete. Until things are nailed down in a contract, they are ephemeral :-) Keep your fingers crossed people! Send us good vibes...
Sub Pen!
This is a separate square game tile that hooks in to any existing entrance point. Associated missions are still being worked on internally. We'll share them with you guys for external playtesting shortly!
New Game tile by David Ausloos
New Game tile by David Ausloos
Decals
The decals have been ordered. Our cost is $2.00 per sheet. Yikes! How does Tamiya put them in every single model kit? Clearly we haven't found "the guy". Trying to determine if we can get them done in time to ship with metals or if we will have to wait until the game ships. Will let you know soon.
Metals
Andy Cooper at West Wind was able to handle the metal mastering of the new figures in-house, avoiding the trip to Griffin for cold casting. Beyond the metal masters, production molds are made and as far as I know stock is being cast. Therefore it's clear to me that these will be shipping pretty close to on time per the original projected delivery date. I'd say its a good bet you'll have them in hand by the time I do the next update.
Thanks again for your support and, as always, don't hesitate to contact us if you have any questions. BTW, ALL posters and shirts should be in hand. If you are missing something you think you should have, give us a shout.
Panda is extremely excited to be working on the production of Incursion. We think the game is going to look fantastic and I know from my conversations with Jim Bailey that he is extremely passionate and committed to working with us to bring you the highest quality game that we can produce. Incursion has a large number of unique and detailed miniatures so this is certainly one of the more complicated projects we’ve had to work on. The plastic miniatures are the components that will require the greatest amount of time to produce. All other components (dice and printed materials) can be completed in a relatively shorter amount of time.
We completed final analysis on all of the plastic miniatures and are now working on creating temporary moulds for all of the figures so we can make samples for Grindhouse Games to inspect. Typically, a few rounds of iteration are required during this part of the process to ensure that we can produce the figures to match the original sculpts, keeping our manufacturing limitations in mind as well. Each round of iteration takes approximately 4-6 weeks so it is difficult to gauge exactly how much time we will spend in this part of the production process. Sometimes we can get it right on the first try and sometimes 3 or 4 rounds of iterations are necessary.
After the temporary samples are looking great and approved, we will produce moulds which take approximately 5 weeks to produce. Afterwards, the final production of the figures will take around 8 weeks including assembly and quality control.
As much as we want to get this game in your hands as soon as possible, our top priority is ensuring that the game quality is top notch so that you will have a wonderful game which you can enjoy for many years.
Sincerely, Michael Lee, Managing Partner of Panda Game Manufacturing
There's 8 months right there. Plus shipping to Grindhouse (another month) and then sending to backers (another month) plus transit (another couple of weeks) and we're looking at December-Feb. Add in a bonus month for CNY and we're in March. 2015.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Bah. Couldn't get colour to work properly in bits.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, might be time to bump this sucker over to the board games subforum.
I backed this at the big level because I enjoyed the first edition. Even though I have the metal minis seeing this game get upgraded components and a bigger market seemed worth backing.
I am honestly appalled at the massive delays though. I really expected better from the Grindhouse team.
I'm not shocked about the delay (there's a lot of stuff to do and the original timetable never seemed realistic)
but disappointing it's taken them this long to say so as they clearly (should have been) aware of the timescale involved from shortly after the KS ended
The delay has been expected, but I am really wondering on what happened to the next edition of the SOTR game, and the boxed sets. Are they still on, or did they just hold what they had and only worked on the rules?
Really wished they would have had this in the bag by now though. I'll be working my own 3D boards, but it is the delay that's going to kick it with the other things I have going on.
There's been depressing little talk of SoTR2 over on the 'official' Westwind Forums, though I think the belief is that the Grindhouse crew would still be writing the rules, so...
I am a bit miffed about the delay, well the length of it. we all knew it would be delayed but this seems a bit of a stretch.
we could be looking to almost 18 months wait from the date the project ended. like most gamers I back a project that is all new and shinny but how much of that shine will be left once the game actually arrives? will my response be "whoop whoop" or "Meh" and I store it away to be maybe played or eventually sold off..
18 months offers to many chances of a new and brighter shinny from come onto my gaming radar for me to be tempted. I really was happy with this game and still am but its a hard pill to take.
Grot 6 wrote: The delay has been expected, but I am really wondering on what happened to the next edition of the SOTR game, and the boxed sets. Are they still on, or did they just hold what they had and only worked on the rules?
Really wished they would have had this in the bag by now though. I'll be working my own 3D boards, but it is the delay that's going to kick it with the other things I have going on.
Well, I expected a delay, this being KS. But the last we heard was "more than a couple of weeks", and now it's looking like a minimum of 6 months, and it could easily be a year (being realistic). Interesting to see LGW's reaction as well, given how positive you were throughout the campaign. Your kids will still be able to play it with you, but they might be graduating university when they're doing so...
Then again if it takes another year for the game to come my kids will be older and most likely understand the rules better. Considering the daughter is turning 8 next month and the lad turns 6 end of may they will be closer to 9 and 7 when/if the game comes out.
I get that Jim and John have day jobs but the comms regarding this should have been out a lot earlier maybe then we could have taken the news a bit better.
It's the usual KS attitude. They're pretty adamant about sticking to one update a month, which means we'll be spending most of our time in the dark.
While I'm not going to have a meltdown, there's a reasonable chance my pledge will end up being hit for updated import GST when the new laws come into play, if it's going to be delayed that long. Shipping costs might also increase, but while I'm sympathetic to a degree, I'm less so when a project is delayed this long if they start asking for extra money for shipping... (since it's supposed to be shipping now, basically, and it looks like we'll be lucky to see it for Christmas).
Howdy again gang! It looks like our last update has cleared up alot of issues regarding who intended to pledge for what. We've had tons of correspondence with folks. All metals have been shipped except for those special cases who have made other arrangements with us. If you have not received metals yet and think you should have them but have not talked to us, drop us a line.
Reminder, we'll be shipping replacement metal Gretel figures to those who were due metal Gretels because of the sporadic mould slippage issue around her face when we ship the boxed games. We have rectified the problem and I have approved the new moulds.
The drop trooper with Mechbusch sniper rifle is metal only. It's a figure for the upcoming 1949: Secrets of the Third Reich 2nd edition. We included it as a freebie to those who ordered metal sets. It will NOT be produced in plastic.
We have no real updates regarding the production of the boxed games. China has been working on the plastic figure moulds and working with us on file formatting and so forth. Carl Brown has been putting the finishing touches on the "Assets" book that will contain all the new missions, Drop Trooper and Exclusive figures rules, all of your names, etc. Hopefully we'll see a real breakthrough in July. Feels to me like somebody just got a temporal distort spell off that has remained in play since last year!!! Remember our discussion last month about Chinese backlog...
Our deal with the game company that was going to take us to retail fell through. Back to square one! As I said previously, it looks like your copies will be quite valuable :-) This will be the most overproduced small run cult classic boardgame with expansions in the history of mankind. I think that ultimately, the old punk rocker in me actually prefers it that way!
Painted models! Behold all the new models below rendered in Dave Taylor magnificence. This Gretel will be going to the winner of the Facebook contest we had during the campaign.
Love you guys. Patience...
Jim Bailey (and John Roberts)
Gretel
Ack Pack
Brigitte
Rosie
Nigel
Hugo
Alt Bomberzombie
Alt Bomberzombie
Alt Bombezombie
Hilde
Droptrooper Feldwebel
Droptrooper 1
Droptrooper 2
MG42
Flammenwerfer
Panzerfaustwerfer
Mechbusch
Most exciting thing in this for me was:
The drop trooper with Mechbusch sniper rifle is metal only. It's a figure for the upcoming 1949: Secrets of the Third Reich 2nd edition.
Sining wrote: Sounds like their deal with the retailer fell through cause they have no frigging solid date to give as to when this will be released.
My enthusium is wanning but compared to some kickstarters the time hasn't been that long.
The Judged Dredd kickstarter celebrates its 2nd anniversary of ending in August and we are still waiting on items.
Like most gamers I love new shinny stuff but if it takes to long other new shinny stuff takes my attention... will incursion suffer this fate time will tell.
I try to save my annoyance and indignation for one KS at a time. Robotech is first in line, Arena Rex is second, Cthulu Wars is 3rd and then Incursion is down the list at some point after that.
They stumbled a bit in the plastics department, but they appear to be righting the ship now. Not that uncommon the first time around. All Quiet on the Martian Front tried to keep the plastics in the US and still ended up with a 6 month delay out of it. If production manufacturing isn't at least started by the time the kids are back in school, then I'll probably start getting annoyed.
I love Grindhouse, and I love SOTR, so, yeah, I guess I'm OK with cutting them a lot of slack.
Of course it helps that I've pretty much forgotten all about this one, as it is just another in a long line of delayed and extremely late Kickstarters...
Alpharius wrote: I love Grindhouse, and I love SOTR, so, yeah, I guess I'm OK with cutting them a lot of slack.
Of course it helps that I've pretty much forgotten all about this one, as it is just another in a long line of delayed and extremely late Kickstarters...
Huh, so what makes SOTR so fun?
I've no experience with it at all, but trust your opinion, so now you've got me curious.
Looks like Grindhouse are in the almost inevitable w"waiting on the factory to confirm manufacturing stage". Really hopeful that this will not be as prolonged as some other - Robotech anyone -and so still hopeful that we willl see the game inthe next few months - even Jim was putting forward October as optimistic.
Inclined to give thenm more slack than some, since in the past they have fallen over themselves to provide great customer service and West Wind who "partner" them have the same ethos.
The metal Droptroopers look excellent. as does the reposed Gretel, so I am just anxiously waiting
Azazelx wrote: Expect it in 2015. Hopefully before CNY, but don't hold your breath.
When is that?
For me the shine has worn off... I think the fact that we are only getting a communication once a month is bothering me the most. They should be talking to "their" backers more often.
We wait 4 weeks to be told no date has been set then wait another 4 weeks for the same response.
I backed in at bucket of blood and it has been the biggest amount of my money I have invested in a kickstarter project to date. Now I am regretting doing this... another first for me. Hell I backed the Judge dredd kickstarter and its 2nd anniversary of completing the KS project is celebrated next month and we are still waiting on the final bits we pledged for.. but we get updates, images, progress reports etc...
Not sure what I will do with my incursion "once it finally arrives"
For me the shine has worn off... I think the fact that we are only getting a communication once a month is bothering me the most. They should be talking to "their" backers more often.
We wait 4 weeks to be told no date has been set then wait another 4 weeks for the same response.
I backed in at bucket of blood and it has been the biggest amount of my money I have invested in a kickstarter project to date. Now I am regretting doing this... another first for me. Hell I backed the Judge dredd kickstarter and its 2nd anniversary of completing the KS project is celebrated next month and we are still waiting on the final bits we pledged for.. but we get updates, images, progress reports etc...
Not sure what I will do with my incursion "once it finally arrives"
LGW.
Kind of sad, considering how hyped you were for it originally. We even clashed a couple of times over it. Really though - I agree with you. Their communication is gak, and comments like this don't help.
HI there everyone. Time for monthly update! As I have said previously, I only intend to send out one update a month and I want them to be substantive.
Especially when, as you've said, it's mostly variations on the theme of "dates slipping, nothing is certain."
Still though - didn't you want Incursion to play with your kids? When it finally turns up, your kids will be a bit older, butthe game should still be quite playable. And now you (and I) know not to back another Grindhouse campaign in the future, or if we do, expect it to be over a year late. I don't expect it in 2014 at this point.
I really like the game. I just sold my 1st Edition version and the metal figures I had for it. I'm getting ready to move to a smaller place and I'm assuming Grindhouse will eventually deliver something, so didn't need both versions.
I would almost ask for my money back at this point because the delays and poor communication have really killed my excitement too, but suspect cash flow is one of their major problems so doubt they could offer a refund.
Unless you're McDonalds, or Walmart or similar you'll never be putting in an order that's big enough to really matter to these plastics factories
so while they'll take your business you'll be very unlikely to get them to sign a contact with fixed delivery dates, position in the production schedule etc
you have to accept that they'll fit you in wherever is convenient, over promise on delivery dates, and probably bump you for a bigger order if it shows up
the only alternative is to pay a lot more to somebody like Renendra (a smaller more gaming focused producer, not in china), or to take this part of procction in-house like GW (and like reaper is beginning to)
For me the shine has worn off... I think the fact that we are only getting a communication once a month is bothering me the most. They should be talking to "their" backers more often.
We wait 4 weeks to be told no date has been set then wait another 4 weeks for the same response.
I backed in at bucket of blood and it has been the biggest amount of my money I have invested in a kickstarter project to date. Now I am regretting doing this... another first for me. Hell I backed the Judge dredd kickstarter and its 2nd anniversary of completing the KS project is celebrated next month and we are still waiting on the final bits we pledged for.. but we get updates, images, progress reports etc...
Not sure what I will do with my incursion "once it finally arrives"
LGW.
Kind of sad, considering how hyped you were for it originally. We even clashed a couple of times over it. Really though - I agree with you. Their communication is gak, and comments like this don't help.
HI there everyone. Time for monthly update! As I have said previously, I only intend to send out one update a month and I want them to be substantive.
Especially when, as you've said, it's mostly variations on the theme of "dates slipping, nothing is certain."
Still though - didn't you want Incursion to play with your kids? When it finally turns up, your kids will be a bit older, butthe game should still be quite playable. And now you (and I) know not to back another Grindhouse campaign in the future, or if we do, expect it to be over a year late. I don't expect it in 2014 at this point.
Yes I was one of the poster boys for Incursion but things change. The biggest thing I am wanting from a kickstarter project is communication none of this 4 week bollocks. Like I said earlier I would prefer bad news over NO news.
Like me the kids have moved on to other games. The son and I have recently got into Deadzone, he found my old bloodbowl gear and we are playing that, and now he wants to play WWII air combat games after finding some 1/144 scale planes.
I am basically recycling my old games for him and I to use. Incursion well it may get used it may not! only time will tell. But The longer it takes the more likely I won't use it....
Still though - didn't you want Incursion to play with your kids? When it finally turns up, your kids will be a bit older, butthe game should still be quite playable. And now you (and I) know not to back another Grindhouse campaign in the future, or if we do, expect it to be over a year late. I don't expect it in 2014 at this point.
Yes I was one of the poster boys for Incursion but things change. The biggest thing I am wanting from a kickstarter project is communication none of this 4 week bollocks. Like I said earlier I would prefer bad news over NO news.
Like me the kids have moved on to other games. The son and I have recently got into Deadzone, he found my old bloodbowl gear and we are playing that, and now he wants to play WWII air combat games after finding some 1/144 scale planes.
I am basically recycling my old games for him and I to use. Incursion well it may get used it may not! only time will tell. But The longer it takes the more likely I won't use it....
Um.. how can they have moved onto other games? You didn't have Incursion to begin with. It's not an expansion to something you already had. Besides, when a big-arse box turns up in the post, sometime in 2015, it'd be easy enough to get them re-excited. Even if you're personally over it, I'm sure the kids' enthusiasm at a box filled with loot could draw most gaming dads back into it. gak, I'm supposed to be the surly one here.
Alpharius wrote: Well, you'll be able to use most (all) of this stuff in the upcoming SoTR2 too, so, there's still that!
I got extra U.S troops was going to use in another project but now I think it would give me a decent starting SotTR U.S force.
SofTR 2 is on my watch list as long as West wind learn from Incursions mistakes.
Well, we know it's going to be a Kickstarter, and I'm sure that Grindhouse will in some way be involved, given their relationship with West Wind. So unless any models are all metal and cast in-house by WWG, expect similar delays. Unless they can be very specific about how they will be avoiding the same pitfalls that Incursion has had, I'd be going in for the bare minimum (books, no models) or more likely just waiting for retail (10% retail discount and free shipping from the UK).
July Update: the Best Laid Plans...
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Hello all you lovely backers. Welcome to July at the Grindhouse!
If you have been following the comments section, you know that we are still coordinating with Panda and awaiting performance from their 3rd party plastics factory. We have finally been able to give the all-clear to create the steel dies that will be used to produce the miniatures. Alas, it appears that unbeknownst to us, the plastics factory was waiting for 100% acceptance of every single miniature before any work began at all. Since we have at last crossed this heretofore invisible threshold, the plastic trays that hold all the miniatures can now be sized, allowing Panda to do an unprinted mockup of all the boxes and their components. When this has happened, we can size the box art to their specifications and production on paper components will begin. Michael at Panda is estimating that the production will be complete on or around September 20th.
When production is complete, we suffer through the international shipment process to us. In our experience of doing two print runs of the previous edition in China, the cargo can often sit in a container awaiting departure for as much as a month, followed by 4-6 weeks of transit. Assuming the ship isn't taken by pirates (:-)), US customs and transit to us in Georgetown, Texas will take up another 1 to 4 weeks.
At this point, things are FINALLY, after all this time, in our control. This would be the first point in the entire process that we can meaningfully affect the delivery date to you. Assuming the product is not deficient (shinkwrapped in humid conditions, issues at sea, etc.), we'll be ready at last to do what we do best: expedite shipment to you, the end user.
John and I have decided to handle all the packing for all orders globally in-house. Given how tight the budget is, it will be a friends and family operation just like the previous editions/prints. Me and my kids will drive up to Georgetown from San Antonio where John, Marina, Rio, and some of the local cats like Miguel will pack like fiends for as long as it takes. We may hire some temps, we may not. EU orders will be packed first. These EU orders will then be shipped via cargo container to West Wind in England for dispersal to the EU. We'll then hit the USA and non-EU orders. I expect that this will take us no more that 2 weeks. My brother and I shipped about 400 individual preorders of Incursion 1st ed. with various metal add-ons and so forth in 24 hours. This is obviously a more complex operation by far.
Europe: you demanded we serve you from within the EU. We are doing so. Alas, the print run is so small that we cannot do split shipment from the manufacturer so you will get your stuff 1 to 2 months after the rest of the world. That is entirely unavoidable at this point.
John and I apologize for the seemingly endless series of updates that don't say much regarding delivery of the final boxed products. We're clearly at the mercy of forces outside our immediate control. It is apparent that this process is in its relative infancy but that we are making substantive progress. Thank you all in retrospect for your patience and in advance for your acceptance of the realities under which we are forced to labor.
This thing is going to be fething awesome. Just hang tough, my brothers.
Jim (and John)
ps: we're working to get the old print and play version of the game uploaded to BGG along with the "Assets" booklet. :-)
Yeah, you can extrapolate a lot of it from their estimates, though, which I think was probably intentional.
And then you can prob expect to push it back further due to CNY.
Though from the bare minimum they should be able to start shipping US orders around early December if production is finished by their estimated date of 20th September and there isn't any problems with transit, though the product should in theory have left China a few months before CNY (IIRC is roughly February time).
November/December is a bad time to get stuff in from china,
as all the boats get filled up with the last minute Xmas hits second production runs that companies are willing to pay a premium to get into west in time to sell to the desparate parents
Remember what we were doing this time last year? We were watching the pledge level get ready to go up by 50% in about 12 hours :-). It's been a year since the Kickstarter ended and 16 months since we started frantic preparations!
I am starting to have some concerns about Panda's assertion that production will be done this month. There has been virtually no forward progress in the last month despite some rather strong words on my part when I discovered they spent a week at Gencon drumming up new business when our project is so unforgivably late (along with many other strong words in the past). I now believe that the problem is not in fact with the plastics factory but with Panda itself. I won't go into detail. Instead I will continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. We have been assigned a new project manager who I quite like and I hope this will be all we need to get things moving on their end. If things don't start looking up very soon, I'll be back here to share more with you fine folks and enlist your aid. I figure our merry band of backers could set the internet on fire if we had to :-)
That is all I intend to say on the matter at this point. I posted this primarily to put Panda on public notice that the time to perform is now. If I were them, I would jump at the opportunity :-)
Thanks guys!
Jim (and John)
Q2 2015 (after CNY 2015) for sure now!
Funded 8/30/14
Was to deliver March 2014.
Now? March 2015 is almost a certainty - at best.
I'm not blaming the guys at Grindhouse - much!
But how much would any Kickstarter campaign raise if they all set realistic dates - because it certainly seems like 2 years is the new 1 year!
Looks like we can add Panda to the list of "Not Sure If Want" if they're the factory behind a campaign...
Yeah, I wouldn't trust Panda. They're the ones behind Cthulhu Wars being late as well and it seems like that wasn't a great experience dealing with them from the Cthulhu Wars guys perspective.
Also, apparently they're behind Myth and we all know how well that turned out with the missing container/parts
Basically the lesson is just to realize that Chinese manufacturers have every incentive to lie through their teeth when they give you production timetables because once they have your money there isn't much you can do. Most KS projects are one time deals so it isn't like they will be loosing your repeat business, and they can always convince the next guy/gal that "this time it will be different" because the next guy/gal is always so starry eyed.
No problem. I just sent an email requesting another update. I was supposed to have proofs in hand this week per our last conversation. Will let you guys know when I know what the deal is.
Creator Jim Bailey on October 1
Doh! Panda just emailed saying the pre=press proofs are ready and being sent now. Should take about 5 days to get here. I'll shoot some pics when they get in.
Creator Jim Bailey 4 days ago
I'm going to start reporting straight from the source.
From my email to Panda 10/1 following up on a conversation almost 2 weeks prior (for your edification, this previous conversation never touched on the subject of including minis with pre-press):
Jim: "Per our last conversation I should have proofs by now, no?"
Panda: "Hello Jim,
The short answer is yes. We have all of the print material pre-production items ready.
We can send these out to you at any time.The reason I have not sent the print material is that the plastic items were supposed to be done as well. Since it was only two or three days difference I waited to have everything sent together. Of course the plastic pre-production materials are not finished. Would you like me to go ahead and send the print items alone? I apologize for what turned out to be a bad decision.
My email today:
Jim: "Andrew, was the pre-press package sent?"
Response:
"Hello Jim,
Last week started China's "golden week" for their National Day celebration. It is kind of like their 4th of July except that they have a 7 day period where everyone in the country goes on vacation. It will be over tomorrow (Tuesday) evening and the pre-press package will be sent then.
I look forward to getting this to you and hearing your feedback. As soon as I have the tracking number I will forward it to you."
The entire process has been like this, folks. I have no idea what's real, what's not, and where we actually are. At this point, everything they could possibly need has been sent. Just waiting for performance on their end.
Thanks for your continued patience
Jim
Creator Jim Bailey 4 days ago
I forgot, after the first response in the string from them saying they delayed to send minis with paper pre-press I sent this on 10/1:
"Yes, send as soon as possible, please! Thanks".
Creator Jim Bailey about 9 hours ago
Hey gang, maybe some good news, Just got notice that the prepress package (without minis) was sent by super fast courier and is set to arrive in a few hours! Alas, I have a bunch of client meetings this morning at my real job and won't get to unpack until this afternoon. I'll take pics and get an update posted this weekend!
So...
A proper Official Update should hit soon.
And I think we all already knew this but, definitely add PANDA to "The List"!
Wuzzup! If you've been reading the comments section, you know Panda is in the weeds and very late. I'm bugging them incessantly. After lots of delays we finally got the proofs...but only half of them, and no miniatures. I'm told there were to be two boxes in today's shipment but there was only one. Rather than do a detailed photo deal with long-winded narrative that nobody wants to read, I'm trying a new format: video unboxing of box #1 of proofs!
yeah,
So the proofs from Panda have arrived with Jim. He needs a few days to go through them and approve them.
Panda seem to say the plastics are ready and that printing will be a few weeks once approved!...
Now that the Videos are working I think they're a great way to show the state of play.
Video 1: SNAFUbox pre-production of printed material:
Video 2: Incursion box pre-production of printed material:
Video 3: Dice
So the end might be insight...
Starting to get excited again!!
They are not designed to be laid out in different configurations. If they were separate it would increase set up time as you attempted to figure out how to lay them out, and you also have to deal with print issues where they may not align properly, and play issues where they may slide on the table.
They are not designed to be laid out in different configurations. If they were separate it would increase set up time as you attempted to figure out how to lay them out, and you also have to deal with print issues where they may not align properly, and play issues where they may slide on the table.
I guess I don't see that as a selling point.
I'm not sure I own any games that are miniature based anymore that don't have individual tiles.
IMO individual tiles are absolutely the way to go.
Was simply curious. It seems to cut down on a lot of replayability options and customization.
Panic wrote: yeah,
So the proofs from Panda have arrived with Jim. He needs a few days to go through them and approve them.
Panda seem to say the plastics are ready and that printing will be a few weeks once approved!...
So the end might be insight...
Starting to get excited again!!
Panic...
So after CNY at best, but more likely another 6 months at least. Maybe a year counting shipping times.
What follows are pictures sent from Panda of the plastic trays, miniatures and doors. These are injection molded in the steel production dies and should be the pantone colors we specified. I'm supposed to have these samples in hand on Monday to review up close. Looking good so far. Enjoy.
Incursion base game contents:
SNAFU Expansion contents:
Buckets of Blood/ Extras
Grunt APE. looks like a little flash on the exhaust ports. Will see if they can correct. I'm sure I'll have several comments for them when I get actual samples in hand next week.
Some pretty soft details there. Look at the muzzle brake on that walker's right arm/weapon. When I opted for plastic over multipart metals, I was hoping for better than this.
Azazelx wrote: Some pretty soft details there. Look at the muzzle brake on that walker's right arm/weapon. When I opted for plastic over multipart metals, I was hoping for better than this.
Azazelx wrote: Some pretty soft details there. Look at the muzzle brake on that walker's right arm/weapon. When I opted for plastic over multipart metals, I was hoping for better than this.
Same here, and I recently sold off my 1st Edition and a LOT of the metals.
Azazelx wrote: Some pretty soft details there. Look at the muzzle brake on that walker's right arm/weapon. When I opted for plastic over multipart metals, I was hoping for better than this.
Are you looking to get rid of yours?
That would require me to receive them first. So it will never happen. Oh, and I'd probably need them to play the game if it theoretically ever arrives.
yeah, The casual way he threw stuff around gave me the impression they are bored of this kickstarter now! Great to see the minis!
I was plaing on dropping everying and painting it all when I got it, but some minis looked quite like bendy plastic army men! The Grunts look solid enough, it's just the rest of it... So I'm 80% sure this isn't something I'll paint.
However I'm super excited to get it all and play the feth out of the game!
Jim was pretty clear in the update comments he was not going to address soft details. That kind of bothered me. At least show the faces of the darned figures in focus so we can see what we'll be getting.
As a long time miniature gamer I always have to take a step back and remember that the game is a board game and needs to appeal to that community first.
I'm happy to see that the pieces are assembled and ready to play out of the box compared with other games where "some assembly required" was an understatement! It gives me hope that if he's somehow able to get this into retail it will appeal to a broader board game audience. I feel like after Sedition Wars, a few bent barrels are easy to correct! LOL!
As a long time miniature gamer I always have to take a step back and remember that the game is a board game and needs to appeal to that community first.
I'm happy to see that the pieces are assembled and ready to play out of the box compared with other games where "some assembly required" was an understatement! It gives me hope that if he's somehow able to get this into retail it will appeal to a broader board game audience. I feel like after Sedition Wars, a few bent barrels are easy to correct! LOL!
If only companies using Boardgame PVC would start calling their models "boardgame figures" instead of "high quality plastic miniatures" while showing pictures of painted metals and resins. Of course that won't ever happen, but what the feth, I'm pretty much done with KS barring rare exceptions at this point. I'm certainly out on KSing Boardgames now - with perhaps Zombicide seasons as an exception.
If only companies using Boardgame PVC would start calling their models "boardgame figures" instead of "high quality plastic miniatures" while showing pictures of painted metals and resins. Of course that won't ever happen, but what the feth, I'm pretty much done with KS barring rare exceptions at this point. I'm certainly out on KSing Boardgames now - with perhaps Zombicide seasons as an exception.
Very true. The difference between the resin studio figures and the game box plastics was an eye-opener in Shadows of Brimstone. So far the only one that might live up to it's expectations is Journey: Wrath of Demons, but I'm still waiting on that one to ship.
I just got off the phone with Andrew. Homeboy's ears are burning but he was a trooper. I gotta say that he is really good at dealing with angry clients. He can't call the shots but even so, he's a damned good rep. He's still around even after all my rants... that's saying something :-)
December 15 is the target date for sending the lot of finished product to the shipping company. I should have an advance copy of the final set of everything as produced in shrink-wrap, etc. several days prior to that. My birthday is Dec 12. Andrew said that might make a good birthday present however I don't celebrate birthdays anymore. My kids are required to say "happy 40th, Dad!" if they must say something on that day. My 40th was several years ago :-)
I'll do a video unboxing of all the final stuff when I get it in.
If they send on Dec 15th, it could sit in port awhile and take forever in US customs. 2 months= February 15th until we have it in hand. Folks outside of Europe will get it within a couple of weeks of that. We have to pack EU orders and send by overseas freight to UK so it may be April for you guys.
Just being as transparent as possible here.
Andrew says that Michael is offering to split the shipping charges with me as a gesture of goodwill. That's very nice of them considering that I am contemplating a lawsuit and have been for some time. Alas, I think that just getting this awesomeness into your hands is the biggest win John and I can achieve at this point.
Okay, just gotta vent. Here it goes: [CENSORED]!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, feel a little better :-) Love you guys! Go see John at MCON in Austin this weekend.
Man, this seems like it's going on as long as WWII. Posting not just months but years in the title. We started working in earnest on the Kickstarter in March of 2013. Next month I'll be posting a 2015 update!! My favorite line from a band called Drive By Truckers:
"So I'll meet you at the bottom if there really is one, they always told me when you hit it, you'll know it. But I've been falling so long it's like gravity is gone and I'm just floating"
First the positive. You'll have to read to the end for my rant :-) Maybe by the time I finish uploading pics I'll chill and it won't be a rant. Let's find out together!
Andrew just sent the following pics of actual production copies a couple of hours ago. Apparently Fedex tried to deliver to me this morning at my office before office hours...duh. I think it's part of their business plan to piss everyone off by attempting delivery at weird hours and making you drive across town to pick up. I'll do an unboxing video when I get the goods. I note that there are no dice in the following pics. Hope they are in the hard copies I am getting.
Incursion:
SNAFU!
Buckets Extras
Next up, we have a few not-very-good photos from the plastics factory showing off some bulk. These are pretty fun :-) Ignore the color rendition. It's a function of the bad photos.
Okay, posting those photos was actually pretty fun so I'll take it easy on Panda. Here's the deal:
Per my last update and conversation with Andrew on this matter, Panda was to be shipping on the 15th. That would be four days from now for those who are counting. In order to do final assembly however, they need my sign off on the above-mentioned copies which I do not yet have. Furthermore, Panda has not received the plastics bulk and don't know when they are getting them. Clearly they are being produced. We have photographic evidence! I don't know what the feth is wrong with these people that they can't just SEND US THE GAMES but John and I are apparently utterly powerless to affect the course of events. I've been grilling poor Andrew all week. I hope to have more info to share shortly. I'll post any additional tidbits with the video unboxing.
This Kickstarter has been a life changing event for me. It's taught me a great deal. I think that besides heretofore unknown depths of patience and an even greater sense of humility, what it has taught me is that being militantly committed to the ideals of excellence and honesty pays off in the long run. In terms of money, we're still looking at break even with zero compensation and zero return on investment for YEARS of work but we have jobs so that's not such a big deal. The big payoff is from you guys. It's your support and enthusiasm and kind words and the awesome interaction we've had. I know John feels this way too. You people are why I continue to do this. For almost years now I have been dreaming of what I will say as an epilog. Still not there yet. A few months ago it would have been an unbroken string of expletives. Now...I think it may be just an outpouring of relief and love for all my new brothers. Well, maybe a few expletives for Panda :-)
One of these days we're going to have to convince John to "share" like this :-) Think that may be tough.
Take care folks,
Jim
This one has definite "After CNY 2015" potential still...
Well, I got the "finished" set today. They accidentally shipped to John in Georgetown rather than me in San Antonio so had to wait a couple extra days. All in all, it looks FREAKING AWESOME but there are some major issues that need to get rectified. The board is gloss finish, the cards are not linen, missing a figure, no dice in any boxes, and other stuff. I'm hoping these are just minor coordination issues but Panda seems to take a minimum of a day to respond to my emails and they still haven't responded to the one from last week asking for clarification on schedule. I'll do a video unboxing soon. My homeboy Erik was out of the office today so maybe tomorrow. I pulled off the shrink wrap already so you'll miss that part :-)
On to the important stuff:
Steve Bullock is an uber geek and longtime supporter of Incursion. He also happens to be a massively talented cartoonist. I'd like to invite you all to check out his work and his thoughts on our group experience :-) He's done a couple of panels over the years about it and now has a fresh offering.. Thanks Steve. You rock, brother.
Yeah,
I sold my 1st edition of the game. I figured who needs two copies.
This year I've had zero copies, so I regret doing that... I'm now without.
But at least the end is in sight!!
I had 'buckets of energy' for this game during the KS and was planning on having a fully painted set.
Not sure thy will happen.
Looks like the home stretch now, the components that werenot to spec have been created and the run should now be on its way.
It has been a long wait but not too much longer now - so much weird ww2 goodness
Looking at the components it looks like better quality boardgame figures, certainly on par or better than recent offerings from Mantic. This one could be a serious contender for a retail relaunch later in the year
Panic wrote: Yeah,
If the molds are made and the production kinks worked out.
Funding aside, It should just be a case of pressing print for a second run.
It would be crazy not to once the world of gamers see the grind house KS fruit in the wild I expect the demand will be very real.
The waiting has had my excitement roller coaster.
But with my incursion and AVP pledges happening 2015 could have the best Q1 ever!
Panic.
Funding a print run and the shipping of the product is a big deal though. I'm not sure how much demand there would be, a lot of folks who wanted the game ordered it via the KS. Even if two times the folks who got it from the KS decide they want the game, would they be willing to pay enough up front to allow Jim and crew to fund another print run AND turn a profit that makes it worth while (my understanding is the KS is not making them much money). Having 2-5K copies printed, and then having to warehouse them until they sell would not be cheap, and the first version was sold by Jim at a considerable discount (I think about 50% off) as he tried to unload extra copies.
We'll see, I love the game and hope it does well, but Weird World War Space Hulk with Nazi Chicks is gonna be a niche product.
yeah,
I see what your saying.
However once they have the first run out, I feel this is as hot as the iron is ever going to be for WW2 tactical zombie smashing games!
The product could be 'available now' with glorious miniatures.
Existing players gaming, blogging with minis.
Galleries appearing of painted models, conversions. custom missions.
Who doesn't want a slice of that?
It's a very different thing to
1) Game with chits and card board standies
2) a KS preorder
Funding...
If the bank says no, I guess they could always give it some time and then run Incurrsion Season 2
New add on missions.
Access to season 1 for those who missed it.
Experience with the Current KS will have taught them lessons regarding profit lines, production, over extending!
It is the production that will kill them though. It seems difficult to get the small runs needed scheduled. If they ditch Panda, they likely incur more set up costs for whomever they do use, and have to go through much of the process again when it comes to proofing for registration/color density/finish and so on.
To make it 'available now' you do have to get the print run funded, completed, packed/shipped and have storage for it. Jim will also have to decide to self distribute or go through another distributor and maybe get the game available to retailers. Doing so cuts into profit again, and could incur costs in the form of mandatory stocking/print numbers and so on.
Lets face it, the KS probably sold under 1200 copies (assuming some folks got multiples and he had some excess printed). Using AvP from Prodos as an example, they are going with a 5k print run (and hoping to sell the copies not bought via the KS and preorders post-KS).
Funding then warehousing something near that amount is a big deal. Going with much smaller runs would possibly force Jim to charge a pretty high price per copy because he loses the per unit savings of the bigger print run.
No plastics yet. From what I understand, all the printed stuff is sitting there awaiting plastic.Panda is putting pressure on the plastics guys. Maybe they ought to let me take a crack at 'em!! I've been speaking directly with Michael and he is obviously very concerned. He understands that this has gone on waaaay too long. Panda has declined to issue a statement at this point in favor of the time when the games ship.
Though it's not doing me and John any favors, Panda is throwing in a dice bag for every backer. I think this is a nice gesture to you all on their behalf. It'll be 4x6 with the Incursion logo on a black bag. What follows are images of the logo Dave worked up (with the classic skull) and a sample image of the type of bag.
Yeah,
So my AVP pledge is delayed because they have the miniatures but no Game components.
And my incursion pledge is delayed because they have the game components but no miniatures...
I'm disappointed by the delays by both companies, I have over £500 invested in these...
I do think they will finish, For me it's like a race to see which one completes first!
I agree that Incursion is suffering a lot from manufacturing woes, I suspect nothaving the clout of a big name or big money is holding this back a little.
However. it will be delivered and kudos to Grinfhouse that they have not stuck their head in the sand and ignored their backers, they keep us up to date even if it is bad news.
Panic wrote: Yeah,
So my AVP pledge is delayed because they have the miniatures but no Game components.
And my incursion pledge is delayed because they have the game components but no miniatures...
I'm disappointed by the delays by both companies, I have over £500 invested in these...
I do think they will finish, For me it's like a race to see which one completes first!
Well, it seems as if things are finally moving along. Panda has all the plastics and began final collation of components in preparation for shipping about a week ago. We have been discussing the logistics of accepting a 40 foot cargo container and ironing out the details. I have no idea how long it will take to get everything to us. With CNY imminent, I can't reasonably expect that we will get the shipment delivered to us until at least April but I remain hopefully pessimistic :-)
Thanks for taking this journey with us. It's been quite a ride! Still not sure when it will end, but end it will.
OK, wow. So I emailed Michael and Andrew with my usual "what's up?" expecting bad news or no news. Much to my surprise, despite the fact that I had not been given a final invoice, the order was completed, packed, put on a container, onto a ship, and the ship has sailed! We chose Houston as point of entry though it's much more expensive because of all the West Coast nonsense that's going on. Estimated arrival in Houston: March 13.
Please remember that anything can happen, still. Delays at dock and transfer warehouse, customs delays (last time it was a month), and ....pirates!!! I don't realistically expect them to be actually in our hands until April but I'll stay hopeful. After that, we start shipping. 1000 orders is going to take awhile. The EU stuff is particularly challenging because we have to pack the rewards up and address them, then bulk freight them to Manchester UK where West Wind will disburse.
Have asked Andrew what ship it's on but doubt we'll get that info.
Guess I better go open that box I got with the final production copies...
Very glad to see this one made it on the ship before CNY. This is one of the few super-late KS's where neither my patience nor enthusiasm have waned over time. My only (slight) fear is that Jim seemed so beaten down dealing with Panda in the videos, that some of the plastics may fall into the "feth it, good enough" category.
Triple9 wrote: Very glad to see this one made it on the ship before CNY. This is one of the few super-late KS's where neither my patience nor enthusiasm have waned over time. My only (slight) fear is that Jim seemed so beaten down dealing with Panda in the videos, that some of the plastics may fall into the "feth it, good enough" category.
I've got similar fears - I've been waiting for Secrets of the Third Reich 2 to be released to give that system a real shot in the arm and get a true Weird War II tabletop game front and center again...
I was hoping INCURSION would get the Grindhouse guys AND West Wind all fired up for SoTR2.
I thought the Mecha looked a little that way myself. Soft details on the gun barrel and muzzle brake. With the lack of pictures of finished production models I'm assuming it will all all have very average quality, and if it's any better, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Azazelx wrote: I thought the Mecha looked a little that way myself. Soft details on the gun barrel and muzzle brake. With the lack of pictures of finished production models I'm assuming it will all all have very average quality, and if it's any better, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Jim got pretty defensive when I brought up the soft detail, as did a few others.
I'm just glad it will get delivered some what soon. Once it gets here I'm not sure if I'll be selling it on or keeping it at this point. I'm moving to a much smaller place this summer, and don't want to haul around stuff I'm not going to use. Unfortunately at this point Incursion will likely fall into that category.
At this point I think I'll just be happy to get the game in hand. I'll treat the figures like the Boardgame figures that they're going to be rather than the high quality miniatures promised originally. At least we know Incursion is a good game so a Sedition Wars or MYTH scenario isn't in the pipeline.
Update #56
... Guess I better go open that box I got with the final production copies...
Jim
What does that mean? that he didn't bother to open the final production check copy?
So he doesn't know if the final production is correct? did they correct the bases and the print materials?
Creator Jim Bailey - about 5 hours ago wrote: Just reviewed Mass Production Copy. Perfect. 100% complete and printing issues fixed. Cards have been redone on linen and board has been redone with a matte finish. Not going to do a video review because it's the same stuff.Can't even see the print changes in video anyway. Now we just kick back and wait.
I wonder about the other issues?
I know some models had incorrectly sized bases?
My memorys fussy but I think there were assembly issues.
To be fair I think Jim was up for another roumd with Panda and this caught him on the hop a little.
He has not posted a full update but within the comments he confirms that the issues he had, have been addressed, the boards are matte finish, cards are of the requested quality, the bases on the offending drop troopers/bomber zombie have been enlarged. So all things considered it looks really optimistic.
From the earlier vids the figures might not have the crispness of the metals but it is a trade off - the cost of an all metal set would be? - and these did look like they were on par or better then the Gears of War figures which themselves were nice sculpts
Bottom line/disclaimer Incursion has always been one of my favourite games over the last few years and this breathes new life (is that a pun) into it. The big bonus I do not to worry (too much) over my APES being dropped and exploding into several pieces accross the room any more
One thing I really wish he would have done (and did suggest during the campaign) was resize the bazooka, or the rocket (or both) on the bazooka ape. As sculpted the darned rocket would never fit into the bazooka pipe. It bothered me on the metal version and this was a great (and missed) opportunity to fix it.
Panic wrote: yeah,
I just checked the updates comments.
Creator Jim Bailey - about 5 hours ago wrote: Just reviewed Mass Production Copy. Perfect. 100% complete and printing issues fixed. Cards have been redone on linen and board has been redone with a matte finish. Not going to do a video review because it's the same stuff.Can't even see the print changes in video anyway. Now we just kick back and wait.
I wonder about the other issues?
I know some models had incorrectly sized bases?
My memorys fussy but I think there were assembly issues.
Panic...
Wow. That's just...
I mean. I've got 2 boxes of DZ from Mantic sitting here unopened along with one from RH, because of Kickstarter fatigue and being too tired from my regular job to try and deal with KS QA, but I'm also not responsible to almost 1000 backers and over $200k from them...
Yeah,
So I saw the game being played at salute.
The table was pretty packed so I didn't get any photos of the game in action.
The board and doors looked amazing.
The guys were using spare doors on their side to blocked off areas of the board not in use... which was pretty smart.
I was able to take some photos of minis they weren't using.
Alpharius wrote: Will work OK for the INCURSION Boardgame, not so sure how well they'll work for the SoTR2 tabletop wargame...
I've already been chastised for mentioning the softened detail when we first saw the production plastics.
I am glad the game got some exposure at Salute, that may indicate intent to have some type of retail release (which if I recall was questionable as Jim didn't think he could afford to do so). It is a very cool game.
So, a lot of stuff has shipped or is on its way to the UK so it can be shipped!
June Update SOTR Kickstarter!
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Greetings!
First, I want to briefly update you on shipping: I've already said this in the comments section but every pledge from outside the USA has shipped, either by boat to West Wind for EU or direct air mail for the rest of the world. That represents approximately 500 pledges that have shipped. John is now slogging through the remaining 450 or so here in the USA. Clearly it's taking longer than expected. John is saying 50 a week from here on out. Don't ask me what order they are shipping in because there is none! Pardon the lack of professionalism in this final stage. We really are totally out of money and all vacation is used up. Only so much that can be accomplished on any given weekend and the short time that is available after work during the week. As John says: doing the best I can, it ships when it ships!
Please contact us if what is delivered to you is incorrect. We'll fix it!
If you have questions about your pledge,email us or send us a message through Kickstarter. Questions or complaints about a specific pledge posted in any public forum will go unheeded/unanswered.
Now, on to the fun stuff. I encourage you all to check out the Kickstarter for 2nd ed. Secrets of the Third Reich. The Coopers at West Wind have been our partners for a long time now. My brother John Bailey and I developed the rules/background for the game and it's supplement: Doomsday. I also painted/converted most of the miniatures/scenery in first edition. Incursion is set in the SoTR universe and is essentially a spinoff. SoTR is a tabletop wargame as opposed to a boardgame and all of your Incursion miniatures are useable in that game too. I highly encourage you to pick up the rulebooks for the background and awesome Andy Cooper art and cool miniatures/battle scenes even if you are not interested in the freeform tabletop experience.
yeah,
Boat tracking...
The ship has docked in Germany and it's destination has changed to UK ETA 10/June/15...
With a bit of luck UK backers should get theirs before the SoTR KS ends.
Which would encourage more pledges. especially if Westwind do a bit of Photocopying and put a A4 advert in each box!!
Alpharius wrote: Heat, bend into desired shape, then immediately dunk into cold water?
That is what I do with similar issues (my copy of Incursion has not shown up yet so I have not tried it on these particular figs). I use a pot of boiling water and a bowl of cold water. Use forceps to dip the fig in the boiling water for a few seconds, pull it out and shape it, hold it in the desired shape and dunk in the ice water...
1: boil water in a pot
2: turn off the heat
3: put pot on cutting board next to sink
4: turn water on full cold in sink
5: immerse only the bent part in hot water for a few seconds
6: hold in position and put under running water
7: repeat if necessary
Seems to work better than the drop whole miniature in water that some do and allows quick and easy rework if the angle is still off a little. Usually get about 2-3 minutes of work time before the water cools down enough.
For the Brain Drone I'd cut the stem off and mount the whole thing on a GW-style flying stand.
I haven't opened my sealed boxes yet. I'm missing the deck of cards from the white box, and am hoping I can get them off the Surly Twins before the end of 2016.
Azazelx wrote: For the Brain Drone I'd cut the stem off and mount the whole thing on a GW-style flying stand.
I haven't opened my sealed boxes yet. I'm missing the deck of cards from the white box, and am hoping I can get them off the Surly Twins before the end of 2016.
They kind of are that now, aren't they?
I mean, I can also understand why, but still, not the best way forward, I think.
I still wish the SoTRII KS hadn't tanked so unexpectedly and spectacularly...
Azazelx wrote: For the Brain Drone I'd cut the stem off and mount the whole thing on a GW-style flying stand.
I haven't opened my sealed boxes yet. I'm missing the deck of cards from the white box, and am hoping I can get them off the Surly Twins before the end of 2016.
They kind of are that now, aren't they? I mean, I can also understand why, but still, not the best way forward, I think.
I still wish the SoTRII KS hadn't tanked so unexpectedly and spectacularly...
Well, the way I see it is that they promised something, happily took money for it, and then gak happened because they hadn't done all of their homework/due diligence. gak happening isn't my fault but it did become my problem. I didn't bitch at them, so I don't especially appreciate their attitude. We're not the ones who fethed them over, after all.
So, knuckle down. Ship the boxes, fix the problems with people's orders then chill out for 6 months before deciding whether to go for a reprint for retail.
Those warped plastic minis can be fixed in 40 seconds with hot water. I have a buckets of blood pledge and everything was great, minis, cards, quality, etc. The game is great too.
As for retail, they said that won't happen. This game has become a 'grail' game as what's out there is out there. The backers are the lucky few to get this game in plastic with high quality parts. Most unhappy backers have sold their pledges for big cash. If you are unhappy maybe do the same?
The base game and snafu usually sell for $150-$200. A buckets of blood pledge just sold on ebay for over $300.
Capt Jake, I would play it first if you are on the fence. You can always sell it opened and still get the same amount of cash. This may be good as you can make sutrw your set isnt missing anything vefore selling. The game is in essence a far better Space Hulk with more variety in a unique setting.
I was actually thinking of using usariadna infinity miniatures in the place of the us mechas.
I've played. I had the 1st edition and a big set of the metal minis I sold off to make room for this. I do like the game.
But, I've recently moved to a smaller place and 95% of my gaming stuff is still in boxes jammed into a basement. If I keep it it gets jammed there and stays unused for the foreseeable future.
