New Apocalypse War Zone book, appears to be set for the Damocles Gulf area, but not necessarily the Crusade as iirc the picture on the front is a Riptide getting shoulder charged by a Knight (I think it was a Paladin).
There is also a Knight Dataslate in the WDW for 3-5 Knights, and the Knight Warlord is the command vehicle for the dataslate.
It involves Shadowsun VS Kor'sarro and Shrike. There's a pic in the WDW with her in melee with both of them, so I don't know how she supposedly survived that. There's another character on the imperium side, though I didn't recognize him. He seemed either an IG officer or maybe someone from the knights
B0B MaRlEy wrote: It involves Shadowsun VS Kor'sarro and Shrike. There's a pic in the WDW with her in melee with both of them, so I don't know how she supposedly survived that. There's another character on the imperium side, though I didn't recognize him. He seemed either an IG officer or maybe someone from the knights
So Ravenguard and White Scars get some focus, not bad considering how out of focus they are.
I'll be honest, the War-zones have been pretty good when it comes to the quality of focus, the formations are usually good as well.
I'm quite interested in this, hence why I noticed it, as a raven guard player I'm hoping for raven guard specific formations, even if it's only the comeback of the A-team flavoured one Shrike had
His name didn't strike me as one I knew, his portrait was quite basic, beard, white hair, a bionic eye maybe. Didn't feel "princeps-y" but I'm not that into the new knights so their crew might be a bunch less bionic-dependent than the "real" titans' . It'd still make sense that he'd be a Knight pilot of somekind, the campaign didn't seem to have "regular" IG involved from what I've read
Kroothawk wrote: I can confirm that there is no miniature release in the fourth week of March, just Battleground Damocles accompanied by a BL anthology, a Helbrute data slate and a BL hardcover (Arjac Rockfist).They are so desperate to fill the weakly WD that they included a "How to start the hobby" article by Vetock and another one on how awesome a Gandalf miniature is !!
You won't find many months in GW history with only two miniature releases (and one of them getting a Codex for just this model).
Anthology is also named Damocles.
Helbrute dataslade includes history, famous battles and a formation, the usual stuff.
And yes, April releases are pushed back to April Info from WD this week.
Krellnus wrote: There is also a Knight Dataslate in the WDW for 3-5 Knights, and the Knight Warlord is the command vehicle for the dataslate.
I don't get how this dataslate would be different from what's in the codex, other than that it's 3-6 in the codex. Is there anything else to set it apart... there must be, right?
And they still call it a dataslate if it's in the White Dwarf Weekly (WDW), or do you mean there's just an ad for it in the WDW?
Krellnus wrote: There is also a Knight Dataslate in the WDW for 3-5 Knights, and the Knight Warlord is the command vehicle for the dataslate.
I don't get how this dataslate would be different from what's in the codex, other than that it's 3-6 in the codex. Is there anything else to set it apart... there must be, right?
And they still call it a dataslate if it's in the White Dwarf Weekly (WDW), or do you mean there's just an ad for it in the WDW?
They had a formation specific ability, but I can't remember what it was for the life of me.
I don't think it was called a dataslate, it was merely the first thing that popped into my head to 'identify it' if you will, it was fully included in the mag, not an ad, I should have been clearer.
Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Not too much info, but as it is similar in size to Damnos and Pandorax, expect similar amounts of fluff and formations for each faction would be my guess.
BrookM wrote: Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Oh good, so I guess GW's fluff writers will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the FW Tau units exist? You know, ones like the Tigershark AX-1-0 that one-shots a Warhound (much bigger and nastier than a mere knight), or the Manta that is an even match for a Reaver/Warlord titan? I guess it's better to try to drive sales of the "awesome" new Riptide and knights...
Yeah, the heretofore and since unseen AX-10, that flew out of the plot, stopped the Imperium dead in its tracks, and flew back into the plot hole from whence it came.
BrookM wrote: Ah yes, the stupid deus ex machina flyer in Imperial Armour 3.
You mean the completely obvious development (a cheaper pure ground attack flyer with the Manta's titan-scale firepower but none of the transport capacity or independent space travel) that was first seen in IA3 and then appeared again in later books? TBH the most common objection to it seems to be "I'm an Imperial fanboy who can't stand the fact that titans can be destroyed by anything besides other titans". The only deus ex machina with Tau flyers in IA3 is the fact that the Mantas all conveniently disappeared until they wouldn't have any meaningful effect on the plot.
His name didn't strike me as one I knew, his portrait was quite basic, beard, white hair, a bionic eye maybe. Didn't feel "princeps-y" but I'm not that into the new knights so their crew might be a bunch less bionic-dependent than the "real" titans' . It'd still make sense that he'd be a Knight pilot of somekind, the campaign didn't seem to have "regular" IG involved from what I've read
Which is odd, seeing as the Damocles campaign relied on an awful lot of Imperial Guard regiments, mostly the Brimlock Dragoons.
BrookM wrote: Which is odd, seeing as the Damocles campaign relied on an awful lot of Imperial Guard regiments, mostly the Brimlock Dragoons.
But this, according to the OP, is supposedly a new warzone and not necessarily the crusade that appears in the existing fluff. So I'm sure it will be all about space marines and knights. After all, IG don't have the same sales potential as "the formation of $150 toys rampaged through the horde of cheaper Tau, until a last desperate counter-attack from a formation of $80 toys rallied the Tau army and won the battle".
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Bobthehero wrote: When does it appears back? Though the Tau had no more books from FW, GW ignores the FW stuff and BL never really mentions the Tau all that much.
Both of the Aeronautica Imperialis books include it as a standard Tau bomber. Taros is specifically mentioned to be just the first test deployment of the prototypes, and they're heavily involved in the fluff of the second AI book. The Apocalypse book (in the fluff for the Tau flyer formation) at least briefly notes that the Tigershark AX-1-0 exists.
Bobthehero wrote: Uh, should've mentionned fluff wise, I knew it was in IA:A
I'm talking about fluff in the GW Apocalypse expansion. The Tau flyer formation mentions the fighters in the formation clearing the way for "ground strafing Tigershark AX-10s". So even "core" GW acknowledges that the Tau have a counter to knights besides "bring lots of the new $80 model".
Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
Goresaw wrote: Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
It's a Dataslate. And as it's just called "Helbrutes" (which doesn't sound like a formation) it's likely that it contains new (better?) rules. GW should have noticed that the current rules are not a selling point for their new kit.
Goresaw wrote: Lololol hellbrute dataslate. This is brilliant! Now lets charge people for awful rules they already own! I can't wait for Dataslate: Space Marine Tactical Squad: Ultramarines.
It's a Dataslate. And as it's just called "Helbrutes" (which doesn't sound like a formation) it's likely that it contains new (better?) rules. GW should have noticed that the current rules are not a selling point for their new kit.
New rules would take literally tens of minutes to come up with. Far easier to cut and paste the entry out of the current codex, spelling errors and all. I'll bet they even cost 115 points like the north american misprint.
See all other threads mentioning this release:
There is one book in the war zone series containing the history and the rules/formations (the first one on that page)
And there is a BL anthology with the same name.
Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
BrookM wrote: Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Oh good, so I guess GW's fluff writers will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the FW Tau units exist? You know, ones like the Tigershark AX-1-0 that one-shots a Warhound (much bigger and nastier than a mere knight), or the Manta that is an even match for a Reaver/Warlord titan? I guess it's better to try to drive sales of the "awesome" new Riptide and knights...
If it follows the previous expansion books, there will be a couple of forgeworld models in the book, personally i am expecting Baracudas...if not maybe Remoras, and tetras. The book and fluff from the Farsight Supplement, barely touch on kroot, so those of us who are hoping for an expansion on that are going to be saddened. The Tigershark is only briefly touched on, Baracudas and Remoras are frequented a little more at the beginning of the battle.
Of course they could (however unlikely) create new fluff for other battles in the Damocles Gulf than what already has fluff written....which would allow them to input the mini titan without disturbing the existing fluff.
And when it speaks of Prototype Riptides, we could always hope for official rules for the R'Varna.
(personal hopes are expanded rules for kroot, vespid, and Gue'vesa........but that is a long shot IMHO)
Chances are they'll revisit the Damocles Gulf with another crusade, just like with the Damnos book, which is set fifty odd years after the first battle.
chaos0xomega wrote: Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
The best part is that it isn't even a plot hole. Cheaply reto-fitting existing stuff is very tau-y
BrookM wrote: Chances are they'll revisit the Damocles Gulf with another crusade, just like with the Damnos book, which is set fifty odd years after the first battle.
Maybe they put the shoe on the other foot and are following the third sphere expansion of Shadowsun's army?
THE STORY
Two centuries ago, the Imperium of Man and the upstart Tau Empire fought to a standstill in the Damocles Gulf. Now, as the 41st millennium draws to a close, the tau have returned. As the world of Agrellan falls under attack, the White Scars and Raven Guard rush to its defence, but with the skilled Commander Shadowsun leading the alien forces, the Space Marines and their allies are hard pressed. Kor’sarro Khan, Huntmaster of the White Scars, swears that he will win the day in the most direct way possible – by taking Shadowsun’s head.
ABOUT THIS BOOK
Gathered within this volume are four novellas that focus on the events of the second Damocles Gulf Crusade. This book contains:
Blood Oath by Phil Kelly
Broken Sword by Guy Haley
Black Leviathan by Ben Counter
Hunter’s Snare by Josh Reynolds
Damocles is released on Saturday March 22nd. All pre-order copies will commence shipping in the week commencing March 17th 2014.
THE STORY
In the wake of an apocalyptic war against the alien tau, the White Scars take to their bikes and hunt the fleeing commander of the xenos forces across the plains of Voltoris. As they chase down their quarry, the Brotherhood of the Running Star begin to realise one inescapable truth: that this will be their final hunt. But if Suljuq Khan and Stormseer Checheg are to die this day, they will ensure that they take the alien Shadowsun into oblivion with them...
ABOUT THIS EDITION
An Apocalypse audio drama by Joe Parrino. Approximate running time 75 minutes. Download includes bonus material with original script, maps, images and more.
This mp3 will be available to download on Friday 21st March.
*yawn* Another Imperial-centered release. Let's recon everything we know about Tau battle doctrine and have Shadowsun in close combat with Space Marines....would have been better to have someone else there....possibly a Tau general that could be seen to be slugging it out in close combat...I wonder who would fit that bill?
chaos0xomega wrote: Wait, people are upset that the Tigershark AX10 variant exists because it suddenly popped out of nowhere?
Hmm, I wonder what else has done that...
Thunderfire Cannon
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Caestus Assault Ram
Avenger Strike Fighter
Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle
Land Raider Achilles
Sicarian Battle Tank
Macharius
Praetor
Crassus
Malcador
Valdor
Minotaur
Gorgon
Tauros
Taurox
Hades Breaching Drill
Centaur
and thats just some of the Imperial stuff from the past couple years off the top of my head (that didn't exist previously), don't even get me started on xenos.
It's an artificial universe, EVERYTHING suddenly appears out of the plot, none of this stuff is real, and we only know about it as its developed in whatever design studio/whatever writers den that it was created in. Deal with it.
And just about half the FW models for Eldar as well. The only superheavy I remember seeing fluff on in novels were 'lithe Eldar titans' and the Scorpion Superheavy (mentioned in the Path of the Warrior).
A lot of the Eldar stuff dates back a decade or two. Scorpions were first introduced in epic I believe, I intentionally avoided mentioning things that have been around for more than a few years.
I bet that Damocles will be the second "Apocalypse book" in the same line as the Pandorax novel. If it is, I may have to scrounge up the funds to get it.
And it's interesting that two special characters just happen upon a single planet in the entire galaxy. Truly amazing. What are the odds?
Unless they retcon, we already know the outcome. Agrellan is an Imperial world mentioned in the latest Tau Codex as having fallen to the Tau, and subsequently renamed to Mu'gulath. The Battle of Mu'gulath Bay is referenced both within the Tau Codex and in the Farsight Supplement. Since this occurred in the tail end of 999.M41, I don't see how they can do the Damnos option and have a 2nd battle set after the first one.
Now with the Knight releases and all this they may make it less one sided, but unless they retcon, it'll still be an Imperial defeat, albeit a "heroic" one.
Iracundus wrote: Now with the Knight releases and all this they may make it less one sided, but unless they retcon, it'll still be an Imperial defeat, albeit a "heroic" one.
Was there ever a major Imperial Tau conflict where the Imperials won?
BrookM wrote: Taking Shadowsuns head? Right, we can all see where this is going..
Well shadowsun could ID him with twin FBs.
He's on a bike, no? That means T5 and no ID, on the other hand, his sword is ID on a 6 .
And she doesn't have a 2+ armor save, or, AFAIK, no invulnerable save. Que sad Tau panda.
First, it was a JOKE. No need to dissect it. I'm not familiar with the SM codex so all I know is that SMs are almost all T4. This is what happens when I try to tell a joke apparently.
Also she has a 5++ save and two drones with 3++ and she comes with a bodyguard unit.
BrookM wrote: Nobody with a mini or a big presence in the fluff is going to die. If that were to happen, consider me pleasantly surprised.
Remember how Eldrad died in the Blackstone fortress, but still can be taken in an Eldar army?
GW undid that whole thing, like it never happened.
When did GW undo the stories of the Primarchs and of Celestine
The only previous Damocles novel (Savage Scars) was famous for characterizing Tau in two ways:
Those that end as a bloody pile of meat through a gun shot and those that end as a bloody pile of meat through a close combat attack.
BrookM wrote: Taking Shadowsuns head? Right, we can all see where this is going..
Well shadowsun could ID him with twin FBs.
He's on a bike, no? That means T5 and no ID, on the other hand, his sword is ID on a 6 .
And she doesn't have a 2+ armor save, or, AFAIK, no invulnerable save. Que sad Tau panda.
First, it was a JOKE. No need to dissect it. I'm not familiar with the SM codex so all I know is that SMs are almost all T4. This is what happens when I try to tell a joke apparently.
Also she has a 5++ save and two drones with 3++ and she comes with a bodyguard unit.
Panda?
You guys seriously arguing fluff of who would kill who and trying to use 40k rules? In the game system a space marine is only 16% stronger than a basic human, it's a D6 system with little to no variation of stats.
You guys seriously arguing fluff of who would kill who and trying to use 40k rules? In the game system a space marine is only 16% stronger than a basic human, it's a D6 system with little to no variation of stats.
No, it was my exasperation when they did not get an obvious joke and than a correction on a mistake they made.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm not sure if anyone posted it but it's up Apocalypse War Zone: Damocles $33.00 Apocalypse War Zone: Damocles All across the Damocles Gulf planet-wide battles are being fought. Led by Commander Shadowsun, the Tau have returned to reclaim the region they lost long ago. The Imperial Guard, bolstered by White Scars and Raven Guard Space Marines and Imperial Knights, defend the worlds of the Imperium against the Tau Third Sphere Expansion.
Apocalypse War Zone: Damocles is the 4th book in the series. This 68 page, full-colour hardback book includes:
- Eighteen new data sheets for Imperial Guard, Imperial Knights, Space Marines and Tau Empire. - 4 New apocalypse missions - New strategic assets and Damocles finest hours
I'm pretty sure all the fire warrior squads is padding that number out quite a bit, but still, god damn that's a lot of money.
Which reminds me, I've been meaning to count up all my Tau models and find out what I actually own, but I'm afraid to. I love hammerheads, but I don't think even I have six of the damn things.
BrookM wrote: Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Oh good, so I guess GW's fluff writers will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the FW Tau units exist? You know, ones like the Tigershark AX-1-0 that one-shots a Warhound (much bigger and nastier than a mere knight), or the Manta that is an even match for a Reaver/Warlord titan? I guess it's better to try to drive sales of the "awesome" new Riptide and knights...
If that's the goal, it will be 50% successful at best, because the Knights proceed to ruin the Riptides' and are only eventually driven off by railgun shots from an ace Hammerhead.
BrookM wrote: Chances are enhanced shields or the like, the Knight codex makes mention of a trio of Terryn Knights utterly fething the gak of the Tau up to such a degree that Shadowsun was forced to deploy prototype Riptides en masse to keep her army from running the feth away.
Oh good, so I guess GW's fluff writers will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the FW Tau units exist? You know, ones like the Tigershark AX-1-0 that one-shots a Warhound (much bigger and nastier than a mere knight), or the Manta that is an even match for a Reaver/Warlord titan? I guess it's better to try to drive sales of the "awesome" new Riptide and knights...
If that's the goal, it will be 50% successful at best, because the Knights proceed to ruin the Riptides' and are only eventually driven off by railgun shots from an ace Hammerhead.
They put their Knights in a triangle, more or less covering the entire formation with their shields, making it really hard to get through.
One Knight takes out an entire cadre highhandedly, rips the turret off of a hammerhead and bats 10 riptides into orbit with one swat, all while the pilot is taking a dump in the back of the cockpit.
Agreed.. definitely a nice cover. I have to say that most of the covers I've seen in 6e have been quite nice with only one so far that I'd characterize as "meh" (Nids).
It helps that all the main codex books are done by the same artist (Raymond Swanland), so they keep the same style and direction. Supplements and whatnot are usually done by others, though a lot are done by the artist linked above.
That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
Or she had some very, very lucky Look Out Sir! rolls and ran away like the cowardly little fish that she is while her two bodyguards get chopped into sushi.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
The 40k overall plot has long resembled an RPG campaign with a really bad GM...
BrookM wrote: It helps that all the main codex books are done by the same artist (Raymond Swanland), so they keep the same style and direction. Supplements and whatnot are usually done by others, though a lot are done by the artist linked above.
Agreed and thanks for the link. I got to download a cool pic of the farsight cover that was bigger than previous ones I saw. Also.. this... it's not Mk18 or whatever armor from the Dornian Heresy but I like it for the same reason!
"I know it's your favourite character, but dead is dead. Awww, come on, don't give me the puppy eyes, come on.. Okay, fiiiiiiiine, that never happened!"
BrookM wrote: It would explain how Eldrad's demise was undone.
"I know it's your favourite character, but dead is dead. Awww, come on, don't give me the puppy eyes, come on.. Okay, fiiiiiiiine, that never happened!"
I thought you were joking. Eldrad is alive?
Wasn't there also a SM character that was dead but still available from the codex?
H.B.M.C. wrote:That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
BrookM wrote:Or she had some very, very lucky Look Out Sir! rolls and ran away like the cowardly little fish that she is while her two bodyguards get chopped into sushi.
I'd expect swiss cheese in seconds looking at the cover.
I like the Warzone books. I dislike the 'buy all our play-sets and toys' nature of the current edition of Apoc, and how almost all the data sheets are tied only to Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ Kits™ (trust modern GW to take the hobby out of the HHHobby), but I really do think that this is the type of book they should be doing more of - books that expand the game rather than adding clutter (like Escalation) or whole books that only have one unit in them (dem Knights!).
Gotta agree there, while I'm not buying them for the datasheets (for the most part anyway), they do offer a great bit of background, scenario seeds and other fun ideas.
I'm going to have to pick up the Damocles book at some point, if only for the new missions and (hopefully not-Deathworld) terrain features.
BrookM wrote: It would explain how Eldrad's demise was undone.
"I know it's your favourite character, but dead is dead. Awww, come on, don't give me the puppy eyes, come on.. Okay, fiiiiiiiine, that never happened!"
Yeah Ive been playing Eldar for a very long time and I hate Eldrad so much. I'm convinced that people who love Eldrad don't read any of his back story :p He's probably the BIGGEST FAILURE of anyone in the entire galaxy, come on? you have 10,000 years to do something about Chaos and you fail, you can see the future and have 2 chances to sway different primarchs.. and fail. Eye of terror? fail. Eldrad hasn't done a single thing successfully (unless you count being a successful failure).
How can you NOT correctly plan for something when you have 10,000 years to figure it out?! (I'm also convinced GW has no idea how long 10,000 years is and just randomly threw out that number)
Anyway, Apoc warzones are really cool..one of the rare books GW produces nowadays that is almost worth their money.
I like the Warzone books. I dislike the 'buy all our play-sets and toys' nature of the current edition of Apoc, and how almost all the data sheets are tied only to Official™ Citadel™ Miniature™ Kits™ (trust modern GW to take the hobby out of the HHHobby), but I really do think that this is the type of book they should be doing more of - books that expand the game rather than adding clutter (like Escalation) or whole books that only have one unit in them (dem Knights!).
How do you tell the difference between Apoc and "normal" 40k? That's what I dislike personally. It used to be when you saw an army from multiple codex books that ignored the FOC and had multiple super heavies that you knew you had an apoc game but now... it's just a 1500pt skirmish! :(
H.B.M.C. wrote: That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.
Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.
Personally I have a few nit-picks with the cover:
She is plainly visible when, even there, her entire shape would be distorted at the very least
She appears to be the same height as them when, even in the suits, she would be at least 6" shorter or so
They cut off her hair, goddammit
and that moronic bodyguard who, instead of endeavoring to kill the people with pointy weapons trying to slice her into little pieces is shooting at people in the opposite direction
That being said, they are just nit-picks and I've always loved this artist since I saw his farsight one.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
Exalted!
It does seem to be another case of "Big Things (Almost) Happen", again, doesn't it?
BrookM wrote: They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.
Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.
GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.
Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.
Pretty much.
When I first saw the picture, I thought: "Why doesn't she just fly up into the air with her jetpack and shoot them with her dual-meltaguns?"
H.B.M.C. wrote: That picture depicts the exact moment where Shryke and Khan, locked in single combat with a being not built for melee, managed to get blasted away by an unseen AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (the first - and last - one seen since the battles on Taros). The attack killed none of them (somehow), but it was the only way to avoid having Shadowsun get curbstomped by two people she had no business being anywhere near.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Shadowsun deliberately declined to use her jetpack to hover out of sword reach and fusion gun the idiot marines to death because the whole thing was a test of the Tigershark's new advanced targeting system. Shadowsun's job was to bait the marines into staying in one place long enough to see if the Tigershark was capable of sniping them out of melee from across the battlefield. The test was a success and both marines were hit by titan-killing railgun shots, but their ancient and sacred relic armor (which of course is lost technology that can't be duplicated or given to non-character marines) somehow managed to stop the shots. Meanwhile "Shadowsun" turned out to be a drone-controlled armor prototype, and the real Shadowsun was miles away doing something more useful.
Now all we need is a One Click Collection™ for all of the characters in the duel and Codex™: Heroic Duel™ with rules for including Shadowsun in an Ultramarines army.
BrookM wrote: They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.
Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.
GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.
While not a fan of the rules, mindset or company behind Warmachine, I love that they not only keep advancing the clock, but at the same time evolving characters with their own little arcs and whatnot.
BrookM wrote: They need to stop doing that, "upping the stakes" by using big name characters just doesn't work, because we all know GW would never kill them off.
Unless they grew a pair and did, because if so, that would be pretty fething amazing.
GW hasn't quite grasped the idea that they can, indeed, advance the storyline, kill off a character, but still keep the model and rules available for the people who like to play that character before they died. Hell, even Privateer Press provides multiple versions of their characters based on different points in the timeline.
Lysander was dead in 4th edition and the rules were for playing him before that.
Then 5th edition made it all 'nah man, he popped back out of the warp'.
Then 6th ed made him do something that his chapter maser didn't like to bust him back to 3rd company captain so he could be in the 3rd company supplement.
It's not bad, but not very "accurate", though. There should be a lot more riptides and they should all be standing on top of a pile of dead Space Marines who kept failing their charges.
Here it is on deviantArt if you want to read some of the artist's commentary or look at some of the other work he's done.
Picked up the Damocles issue of the White Dwarf today and the Knight formation is okay, 3-5 Knights, one is a Seneschal and they get one of the following roles: Support (formation gains Interceptor) or Outriders (formation gains Scout).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, the fluff for the battle is.. Stupid. Imperium loses, so the Terryn Patriarch suggests they fight the final battle on Voltaris, the home world of House Terryn.
The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.
wow thats a brilliant image
He is good, isn't he. But dammit, killing crisis heads doesn't kill the suit!
Yeah, losing the head wouldn't kill the pilot or necessarily put the suit out of action for very long. That's why crisis suits all have a slit in the chest, it's a window for the pilot to see out of in case that very thing happens. I guess it's easier to just assume the tulwar in the head wasn't the killing blow, though.
The best part is all the dying Tau, especially the one with the impaled head on the right.
wow thats a brilliant image
He is good, isn't he. But dammit, killing crisis heads doesn't kill the suit!
Yeah, losing the head wouldn't kill the pilot or necessarily put the suit out of action for very long. That's why crisis suits all have a slit in the chest, it's a window for the pilot to see out of in case that very thing happens. I guess it's easier to just assume the tulwar in the head wasn't the killing blow, though.
I guess. The "head" of a crisis suit is actually just the main sensor array linked in to the tau controller.
smells like rotten fish.
