The sad part of conspiracy theorists is that they spend all that time on bull gak when the really scary gak in the world, really isn't that hard to find.
And of course:
Russ Tice may sound like a gakky Pokemon, but he was much closer to a professional paranoid. Tice was an intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency, serving for decades before he decided to turn whistle-blower in 2005. And when he went, he went big -- Tice ran screaming straight to the New York Times about how the American government was invading the privacy of its citizens. They're reading your emails! They're listening in on your phone conversations!
What a loon. As if the government could ever guess your password. You used a "3" instead of an "E"! That's practically cryptomancy.
Unfortunately for Tice, this wasn't his first brush with whistle-blowing. In 2001, he suspected a co-worker of being a Chinese double agent and was so insistent that his superiors finally submitted him to an emergency psychological evaluation. They declared that his delusions of being surrounded by Asian 007s were less than concrete and downgraded his security clearance before eventually firing him altogether.
Thanks to his prior tug-of-war with NSA bigwigs, many wondered if Tice was simply spreading malicious rumors after his disgraceful firing. Add to that the fact that his allegations at the time sounded like a bad techno-thriller plot -- the NSA has a massive computer system that can sort and filter hundreds of thousands of conversations in seconds, and only Sandra Bullock can stop it! -- and Tice was difficult to take seriously. Critics said he was paranoid, and professional butt cheek Bill O'Reilly even went so far as to call for Tice to be imprisoned for his outrageous claims.
But It Turned Out ...
You know exactly how that whole NSA thing turned out: In early 2013, Edward Snowden entered stage left. Unlike Tice, who had always been careful to stick to his non-disclosure agreements while blowing on the ol' whistle, Snowden began drop-kicking secrecy left and right -- the more classified the information, the better. Snowden trucked in a massive amount of physical evidence to support his case, and his revelations proved that Tice was not only telling the truth, but had in fact merely scratched the surface. The entire concept of privacy in America would never be the same! The American public was devastated by this betrayal and displayed said devastation in their own unique way: by briefly skimming the news, deciding it was too long to read, and then going right back to tweeting about celebrity sex tapes and unsatisfying burritos.
Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote: I do find it funny that a year ago anybody who was convinced the government was doing any domestic spying was labeled as a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I don't recall anyone saying they weren't doing it all, but some didn't think it was to the extent that it actually was. Even so, not wanting to believe the NSA is as intrusive as it is doesn't make 9-11 suddenly an inside job.
I believe in the conspiracy that someone is breaking into my house and twisting my nips in the middle of the night. Why else would I wake up with lactating nipples?!?
Most of them are bollocks.
They are absurdly complex explanations which essentially involve comic book super villain logic.
When a tragedy such as 9/11 or the Sandy Hook shooting happens people see the reactions and decide it must have something to do with the world order conspiracy they are fighting personally. Illuminati, Masonic Order, C'thulu cultists, the Chinese, your own government.
People seem to take solace that they alone have somehow uncovered a ridiculous message hidden in adverts or money or on cereal boxes and they know what's going on because of it.
I'm amazed at the people I know that are able to consolidate the belief that the government is completely incompetent and unable to do even the most simple thing right and that the government is able to create elaborate schemes and execute them without anybody catching on to them.
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.
So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?
Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?
Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.
Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.
d-usa wrote: I'm amazed at the people I know that are able to consolidate the belief that the government is completely incompetent and unable to do even the most simple thing right and that the government is able to create elaborate schemes and execute them without anybody catching on to them.
I'm amazed there are still people who think vaccine's cause autism. I'm surrounded by them.
I am curious what you consider a conspiracy theory?
I, for one, believe that the government(s) is(are) conspiring to withhold from the public information about UFO's and USO's.
Do those fall under your conspiracy theory definition?
Case in point: Kecksburg, PA
150 eye-witness accounts, the majority of which jive with each other.....reports of ~100 government people from all armed forces as well as other agencies......but the government says only 3 government reps were "officially" there?!
And why is it you think the government is capable of keeping thi level of secrecy when they cannot even function normally most days? Tell me that. Tell me how the government can somehow keep information control over the "~100" people as your example says with perfect accuracy.
curran12 wrote: And why is it you think the government is capable of keeping thi level of secrecy when they cannot even function normally most days? Tell me that. Tell me how the government can somehow keep information control over the "~100" people as your example says with perfect accuracy.
Why did people ever believe that their own government would never spy upon their own citizens?
Why did people ever believe that there was never such a thing as "Carnivore"?
Why for years did people believe there really was no "Area 51"?
I find it very interesting that, as someone already pointed out, people who are called "crazy" because they believe in a "conspiracy theory" aren't so crazy once the theory is proven to be correct.
curran12 wrote: And why is it you think the government is capable of keeping thi level of secrecy when they cannot even function normally most days? Tell me that. Tell me how the government can somehow keep information control over the "~100" people as your example says with perfect accuracy.
Why did people ever believe that their own government would never spy upon their own citizens?
Why did people ever believe that there was never such a thing as "Carnivore"?
Why for years did people believe there really was no "Area 51"?
I find it very interesting that, as someone already pointed out, people who are called "crazy" because they believe in a "conspiracy theory" aren't so crazy once the theory is proven to be correct.
So no answer for me then? I'll repeat it.
How is it that the government is capable of perfect information control on over 100 official personnel, not to mention an unknown amount of civilian control with absolutely no leaks?
Also, the "government" that you're talking about that doesn't function normally is MASSIVE and bloated.
The NSA, CIA....they're all pretty tightly run and "singular" organizations who (usually) keep a VERY strong grip on all their employees/contractors.
FAR, far easier to keep things hush-hush when you limit the number of people exposed to the incident. Plus, the fewer people that need to keep the secret, the higher the chance that they *will* keep said secret because should it get out....it is so much easier to track down the leak due to the limited choices.
The only one I subscribe to is the government's refusal to admit the existence of aliens. Call me crazy all you want, but the amount of people that have reported seeing UFO's and having close encounters is so high that to me, there has to be some truth to it.
As for political things like the 9/11 and Sandy Hook, it's a pile of unadulterated bs.
d-usa wrote: I'm amazed at the people I know that are able to consolidate the belief that the government is completely incompetent and unable to do even the most simple thing right and that the government is able to create elaborate schemes and execute them without anybody catching on to them.
d-usa wrote: I'm amazed at the people I know that are able to consolidate the belief that the government is completely incompetent and unable to do even the most simple thing right and that the government is able to create elaborate schemes and execute them without anybody catching on to them.
I'm amazed there are still people who think vaccine's cause autism. I'm surrounded by them.
I knew that I would be able to use this before the day was over
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.
So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?
Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?
Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.
Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.
Please, do tell the "conspiracy".
What do they have to gain? Gun control laws. Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.
How about the giants that live here in the US before the Native Americans? The Native Americans allegedly had a verbal history of them as ancients, I ve seen a few lectures on the mound builders. I've seen the photos of a very few remains. Would like to see some in person. But it really doesnt matter.
Kelly502 wrote: How about the giants that live here in the US before the Native Americans?
That falls under religion more than conspiracy theory. It would be akin to saying that the Noah story (now in theaters!) is a conspiracy theory.
However, the conspiracy lies in the Smithsonian gathering evidence from the dig sites, and never allowing anyone to study them... The mounds up in the North East were written off as folk were told they were root cellars.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
Jihadin wrote: Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.
And THIS is the real outrage. I'm incredibly offended that the government is spending my tax dollars on awesome new planes and not letting me fly them, or even know what they are.
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are but they're likely lizard men.
Philby wasn't the highest placed mole in MI-6 either his boss was a double agent and/or highly placed cabinet secretaries were committed to the communist cause.
This is probably more within the realms of truth rather than a conspiracy theory. Though conspiracists have claimed that PM's have been spys
Widely-believed conspiracies that irk me to no end:
- 9/11: You probably know more about this than I do.
- Jews created central banks to enslave the free peoples of Europe and America: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion's natural descendant.
- Eurabia: In 30 years Europe will become a muslim caliphate thanks to a population time bomb planted after a covert agreement between the european left and Islam. A race-swapped version of the "Protocols", combined with the fear of the prodigious reproductive abilities often attributed to "lesser races". Proponents of this theory blissfully ignore all demographical data collected in Europe from the 60s onwards, the differences between islamism, soviet-inspired thirdworldism and arab nationalist movements, and presume Islam to be a single coherent political body. And still, this theory has enough mainstream credibility to pop up in the media from time to time, and certain people in high places fully adhere to it. Scary.
- We are the 99%: As a political slogan created to rally people of all creeds, affiliations and walks of life under the Occupy banner, it's brilliant. As an analysis of the financial crisis, believing the world is run by a secret elite acting in concert is not only simplistic, it's even dangerous.
- Carbohydrates/glucose are ruining human health: In prehistoric times, when we were all vegans/crudivores/practised crossfit we all had the bodies of athletes and top models, were perfectly healthy and in tune with nature, but then jews/feminazis/*insert your least favorite ethnic/political group here* destroyed our perfect society of hunter-gatherers and corraled us in cities where they fed us on processed food to make slaves of us. I can't read this stuff without having Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" playing in the background. A painful reminder that anthropology and gym locker room banter don't mix.
- Feminazis/the UN/Aliens are secretly making us gay: It's a major plot point on Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War" and now a crazypants conspiracy theory (often) involving chemtrails, radical feminists, Disney stars like Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato and most likely jews, too. All being agents and/or instigators of a plot to attack masculinity in order to control free reproduction, reduce mankind to manageable numbers and install a covert eugenics program. So dumb I'm at a loss for words.
- 3/11: We spaniards have our own 9/11 conspiracy, and like its parent theory it's so disgusting I'd rather spare you the details for now.
I'll post the ones I believe (or at least the ones I grant the benefit of doubt) on a later date...
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.
So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?
Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?
Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.
Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.
Please, do tell the "conspiracy".
What do they have to gain? Gun control laws. Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.
So they gained absolutely nothing?
And wasn't the first thing out of the NRA's mouth "mental health!" or do you give them a pass. So do you think the lie was that there was no shooting? No dead kids?
Conspiracy believers are the ultimate motivated skeptics. Their curse is that they apply this selective scrutiny not to the left or right, but to the mainstream. They tell themselves that they’re the ones who see the lies, and the rest of us are sheep. But believing that everybody’s lying is just another kind of gullibility.
That pretty much sums up my idea of conspiracy theories. While "conspiracies" have been proven true, such as the NSA stuff (even though I thought it was common knowledge that they were doing it but the extent was not known), an overwhelming majority of conspiracies are not true and most have actual evidence to back that up. It bothers me that so many intelligent, logical people can believe such dumb things.
These are some that really bother me:
Vaccines & autism (plus the "big pharma" conspiracy): There is absolutely no link between the two and numerous studies have been conducted to show that. It all started with one entirely flawed study by a man with a proven conflict of interest which lead to the science by press conference media frenzy that followed. The "Big Pharma" conspiracies are related to this because when people believe one they tend to believe the other. For anyone that doesn't know, "Big Pharma" conspiracy theories claim that every major pharmaceutical company in the world is colluding to suppress "miracle cures" (weed, lemons, herbs, etc) to various disease (most often cancer) in order to keep us sick so we are forced to buy their medicine. The notion is ridiculous because if you look at the history of medicine you can find that making medicines from "natural" origins forever and that has never stopped a company from producing their own version of it and selling it. While it's true that large pharmaceutical companies are like every other large company (that is driven by profit) and often have a lot to answer too with their business practices, it is completely asinine to believe there is a massive hidden conspiracy to keep us sick (especially considering that cancer rates have been declining since 1991 and 5-year survival rates have risen dramatically). There is an interesting personal story I have with this kind of thinking. A very good friend of ours in an ardent anti-vaxer to the point that she lied to the school district so here kids wouldn't have to be vaccinated and also a believer in homeopathy, and yet her younger daughter was born with a hole in her heart (science and medicine saved her life) and was recently diagnosed with cancer in her lymph nodes and will once again have science and medicine save the day (surgery and radiation)... but can't have vaccines because they aren't "safe."
9/11 and other "false flag" theories: These are another set of ridiculous theories that I often don't even acknowledge just out of respect for the people that lost their lives in any of the various tragedies that these people exploit to further there twisted ideologies. Has the government done terrible things? Of course they have (Waco siege, Ruby Ridge, MKUltra, etc.), but to claim they are responsible for some of the most tragic events in recent history and have the coordination to pull off an extraordinarily elaborate plan involving thousands of people taking place in one of the largest and most populated cities in the US (with millions of other people watching it on TV) while at the same time they are continuously stymied by overwhelming bureaucracy to the point where even the simple task is near impossible takes a special kind of stupid.
Moon landing hoax: Completely idiotic to actually believe this one. This has a lot in common with any other government conspiracy, especially in terms of scale. The Apollo program was one of the large projects any government agency has ever been involved in and the level of suppression it would have taken to keep every one of the thousands and thousands of people that worked to complete it (both for the government and civilian groups involved) is mind-blowingly staggering. Discounting all of that, we also have the direct testimony of the 24 men that flew to the Moon, the 838 pounds of samples they returned, the independent tracking of the missions (the Soviets and amateurs), the photographs/videos taken during the mission, pieces of the probe Surveyor 3 that Apollo 12 astronauts brought back with them, the retroreflectors the astronauts left on the surface of the Moon, and photographs of the landing sites taken by orbiting spacecraft like the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
The real thing that strikes me about the Moon Landing conspiracy is that people the believe in it ignore the fact that the Soviets who were competing with the US in the space race didn't dispute the results when they would have the biggest reason to dispute the results
As far as 9/11 goes, I don't believe that the U.S. Caused it, but I do believe they covered up a significant involvement from the Saudi side, to maintain relationships.
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
Sorry to Godwin this thread, but if agree with this comment's premise about cosmic mysteries
33 was also the year that the dictator with the dodgy fringe took office. Add him to Roswell, Kennedy, and trinity, and you have the angles of an unholy rectangle
Seaward is definitely on to something.
As to the whole JFK conspiracy, I'm convinced that Nixon was involved. Having read a lot of subject material about him, and given that IT'S Nixon, I'm convinced of his involvement. But, nobody believes me...and with it being Saturday afternoon, I've had a few drinks!
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
Glorious.
I do hope that was intended to make me laugh though
This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?
He is also apparently insane... and possible paranoid...
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is one
My frien believes that the government is secretly kidnapping men, turning them into women with unerring accuracy. He thinks that this is to maintain a breeding population and to stop certain radicals by impregnating them.
He says they change memories, BUT NOT interests or personality, which accounts for the influx of nerd girls.....
Did I mention he is sexist?
He is also apparently insane... and possible paranoid...
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be ... the Sandy Hook shooting.
So you believe a few hundred to a few thousand (at least) people were paid off by the Federal govt to fake the deaths of 26 children and adults (forgetting about every other mass school shooting) to do what exactly? Fail to re-institute a gun ban that was in practice from 1994 to 2004?
Are you one of those people that needs to see pics of dead children to get off or are you just a conspiracy nut?
Please, go ahead and tell me what anyone had to gain by faking the murder of children. The only people I can see that actually gained any financial benefit from Sandy Hook was the gun industry. They saw record numbers for months after.
Because you know what, there is no conspiracy. Some POS killed a bunch of people and an inept President thought he could garner more votes by inaccurately gauging that the American populace wanted "gun control", even when every piece of legislation they passed was horribly, horribly written (NYS SAFE Act for instance). And those politicians were quickly shot down for having stupid ideas, as they should have.
Please, do tell the "conspiracy".
What do they have to gain? Gun control laws. Basically the day of the shooting they were putting up bills to ban guns.
Yes.
Yesssssss.
Its all coming together. They planned it all. The shootings. The witnesses. The utter failure to accomplish any restrictions on guns.
LordofHats wrote: ... Tice ran screaming straight to the New York Times about how the American government was invading the privacy of its citizens. They're reading your emails! They're listening in on your phone conversations!...
The thing I find amusing about this is that all the complaints I've heard about it are stuck on the incredible damage done to civil liberty that results from some government lackey listening in on somebody's wife telling them to buy milk on the way home, rather than focusing on just what a massive waste of money it is to be monitoring that conversation in the first place...
9/11 as a false flag that I think theres some credence to, princess dianas (arranged?) death is another one that's too dodgy. Global warming theory I'm skeptical of too.
Lizard people is a good joke but too crazy, occult illuminati conspiracies could be true but there's no sense in it. Anti-Vaxers can die in a fire of bubonic plague.
No there isn't. Basic common sense tells you that it is impossible.
princess dianas (arranged?) death is another one that's too dodgy.
No it's not.
Global warming theory I'm skeptical of too.
Science is not a liberal conspiracy.
Lizard people is a good joke but too crazy, occult illuminati conspiracies could be true but there's no sense in it.
That's because it is all made up.
Anti-Vaxers can die in a fire of bubonic plague.
No, anti-vaxers just need to understand the concept of medical science... but alas, that is most likely improbable because of how conspiracy psychology works.
Personally I have no reason to believe most conspiracies. I do, on the other hand, have no problem believing some of the "military black project" ones like Project Aurora and such. After reading Blind Man's Bluff and learning just how much submarine tech was kept almost completely secret during the Cold War I don't see any reason why the government, at least on the military end, isn't capable of keeping black projects under wraps.
As far as aliens/UFOs, I honestly don't think that Earth is important enough as a planet for any alien species capable of actually getting here to care about (the level of technology you need to actually do interstellar travel reasonably basically makes us look like we're banging rocks together). So on that note I can't see any of those conspiracy theories as being anything to put stock in.
I often joke about waco stuff, i was really into the theories when i was a edgy teenager but again, i don't see much "truth" in anything apart from the Sniwden stuff (which at the back of our heads we all knew anyway). Saying 9/11 or Sandy hook was fake to ban guns is over the top though. As a poster said on this, "just so you can have a 10 year can on certian rifles". I doubt any goverment would send anyone to do such a crime. And as a Englishman, whats wrong with getting ride of guns that can get into the hands of madmen like that? If you honestly must have your rifles, why can't they be limited to certian households or families?
d-usa wrote: I'm amazed at the people I know that are able to consolidate the belief that the government is completely incompetent and unable to do even the most simple thing right and that the government is able to create elaborate schemes and execute them without anybody catching on to them.
That for me is the crux of why most conspiracy theories are so difficult to believe
Some have asked how the government can maintain secrets as well and as long as they have and do.
Just an example:
A week or so ago I was talking with one of our local officers. Known the guy for close to 10 years. Knew he was in the navy and did some work on subs.
So we were talking and I asked him what subs and kinds he had been on. He said a few names (Los Angeles among them) and then said "And a couple others I can't talk about".
He's been out of the navy for 20+years....and yet still maintains the secrecy.
Those are the types of people the government and military seek out, train, etc.
TheMeanDM wrote: Some have asked how the government can maintain secrets as well and as long as they have and do.
Just an example:
A week or so ago I was talking with one of our local officers. Known the guy for close to 10 years. Knew he was in the navy and did some work on subs.
So we were talking and I asked him what subs and kinds he had been on. He said a few names (Los Angeles among them) and then said "And a couple others I can't talk about".
He's been out od rhe navy for 20+years....and yet still maintains the secrecy.
Those are the types of people the government and military seek out, train, etc.
I believe some theories, other not.
The arrest of Colonel Khabarov was definitely orchestrated by Serdyukov and co. because Khabarov was too critical of of Serdyukov's reforms. I have a hard time believing Khabarov was actually plotting to stage a coup in the Ural, and so far I haven't seen the slightest evidence for it. The whole charge is just copypasted from the 1930's.
There are many more of this kind of conspiracy theories that I believe. You can never be sure with all the intrigue and scheming in politics and espionage.
I also believe the West played a large role in the overthrow of Yanukovich in the Ukraine, and Putin might have a hand in it as well.
Maybe it was all orchestrated by Putin so he could have an excuse for annexing Crimea and Eastern Ukraine? Who knows?
Than there are of course other, more weird conspiracy theories that I absolutely do not believe. I do not believe Zionists are controlling or trying to control the world, I do not believe in most UFO stories or that 'ancient aliens' nonsense, I do not believe the US faked the moonlanding and I do not believe the US government was behind 9/11 (though I do believe they could have seen it coming if they had paid more attention.)
That was a good video. The technical breakdown of how to it would have been impossible to fake the landings just on film alone was pretty great. The end when he describes the kind of thinking that believe in conspiracies like this requires was spot on.
People also fail to realize that NASA accounted for, in writing, every single second of every lunar mission... and it is all a matter of public record.
Grey Templar wrote: Well the writing is the one part that could have been faked.
The mission logs and technical details of every single piece of hardware and activity are also corroborated by the thousands and thousands of pictures and the hours of film that were also used to document the missions.
Like the guy in the video explained, in 1969 it was far easier to actually go the Moon than to fake the entire thing.
Grey Templar wrote: I don't think it was faked, but if anything could have been faked, it would have been the writing. Not the pictures or film.
I understand where you are coming from, but the level of detail in the mission preplanning combined with the notes and observations made by the astronauts during the mission are a prime example of solid evidence, even more so when you add it to the photographic evidence, video evidence, audio evidence, and physical evidence of the landings.
Plus, why bother to go through all the trouble to fake every detail every minute of every mission and on top of that add additional input from the astronauts just to have all of that information get filed away in some NASA warehouse? The time and effort wouldn't have been worth it.
Grey Templar wrote: I don't think it was faked, but if anything could have been faked, it would have been the writing. Not the pictures or film.
I understand where you are coming from, but the level of detail in the mission preplanning combined with the notes and observations made by the astronauts during the mission are a prime example of solid evidence, even more so when you add it to the photographic evidence, video evidence, audio evidence, and physical evidence of the landings.
Plus, why bother to go through all the trouble to fake every detail every minute of every mission and on top of that add additional input from the astronauts just to have all of that information get filed away in some NASA warehouse? The time and effort wouldn't have been worth it.
Maybe, it was to prove to the Russians we weren't weak.
Jihadin wrote: Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.
And THIS is the real outrage. I'm incredibly offended that the government is spending my tax dollars on awesome new planes and not letting me fly them, or even know what they are.
Oh, man. You don't even want to know.
You see things, when you're flying 'round Nellis. Stuff over in the Box. Stuff that should not be, yet is.
Jihadin wrote: Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.
And THIS is the real outrage. I'm incredibly offended that the government is spending my tax dollars on awesome new planes and not letting me fly them, or even know what they are.
Oh, man. You don't even want to know.
You see things, when you're flying 'round Nellis. Stuff over in the Box. Stuff that should not be, yet is.
I once saw "UFOs" northwest of Nellis when I lived in Las Vegas in the 90s. Never once did I suspect that it was "aliens" or other such nonsense; it was clearly something of ours that we didn't (probably still don't) know about and was most likely terribly awesome... but to me, for all intents and purposes, it was merely an unidentified flying object.
I also remember when employees of a contractor sued the USAF because they got sick from burning hazardous chemicals in open pits at Groom Lake. The suite was thrown out after the President issued a Presidential Determination stating that the "Air Force's Operating Location Near Groom Lake, NV" didn't have to follow EPA environmental disclosure guidelines. It was all the local news talked about for a long time.
Grey Templar wrote: I don't think it was faked, but if anything could have been faked, it would have been the writing. Not the pictures or film.
I understand where you are coming from, but the level of detail in the mission preplanning combined with the notes and observations made by the astronauts during the mission are a prime example of solid evidence, even more so when you add it to the photographic evidence, video evidence, audio evidence, and physical evidence of the landings.
Plus, why bother to go through all the trouble to fake every detail every minute of every mission and on top of that add additional input from the astronauts just to have all of that information get filed away in some NASA warehouse? The time and effort wouldn't have been worth it.
Maybe, it was to prove to the Russians we weren't weak.
Hardly.
The Soviets independently tracked the progress of every lunar mission. If they could have proven that we didn't do it, as our largest geopolitical and technological rival, they would have come forward and let the world know. It would have been a massive gain for them just from the propaganda that they could have produced from it.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I once saw "UFOs" northwest of Nellis when I lived in Las Vegas in the 90s. Never once did I suspect that it was "aliens" or other such nonsense; it was clearly something of ours that we didn't (probably still don't) know about and was most likely terribly awesome... but to me, for all intents and purposes, it was merely an unidentified flying object.
TheMeanDM wrote: Some have asked how the government can maintain secrets as well and as long as they have and do.
Just an example:
A week or so ago I was talking with one of our local officers. Known the guy for close to 10 years. Knew he was in the navy and did some work on subs.
So we were talking and I asked him what subs and kinds he had been on. He said a few names (Los Angeles among them) and then said "And a couple others I can't talk about".
He's been out of the navy for 20+years....and yet still maintains the secrecy.
Those are the types of people the government and military seek out, train, etc.
"I can't tell you where I served." "I can't tell you what my job in the military was." "I'd love to tell you this story, but it's still classified."
Guys love to make themselves seem more important than they really are. It's been my general experience that people who REALLY served in situations that they can't talk about don't tell you that they can't talk about it. People who make a point of telling you about their 'secret' past are usually full of it.
Surprised I haven't seen more talk about the Kennedy assassination. If ever there was a more widespread dissemination of a conspiracy theory that people actually believe in, I can't think of it.
Jimsolo wrote: "I can't tell you where I served." "I can't tell you what my job in the military was." "I'd love to tell you this story, but it's still classified."
Guys love to make themselves seem more important than they really are. It's been my general experience that people who REALLY served in situations that they can't talk about don't tell you that they can't talk about it. People who make a point of telling you about their 'secret' past are usually full of it.
Yeah, I'm usually pretty weary of people that make claims like that.
However, my uncle has worked for the CIA for some 25 years, but he would just tell people that he "worked for the government." He let the family know who he worked for when he retired (we had always assumed it was the CIA) and while he has never exactly said what he did, I assume he was a field officer because he carried a firearm (most CIA employees do not). He has since gone back to work for the government; this time in Norfolk (so he says) and we assume it is with the Agency again, but he hasn't confirmed that. I do know he does some kind of firearms training, which is pretty awesome. He also met Yasser Arafat at least once during his career.
Surprised I haven't seen more talk about the Kennedy assassination. If ever there was a more widespread dissemination of a conspiracy theory that people actually believe in, I can't think of it.
Yeah I agree, that's usually a pretty popular one. It is kind of funny though, I think a lot of people don't even see it as a "conspiracy theory" any more; they just accept that what they were told isn't what actually happened.
If you snoop around enough, you can find "inconsistencies" in the official story but I feel like the are easier to find because people want to find them. Personally, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was solely responsible for the assassination and that there is more than enough evidence to prove it.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I once saw "UFOs" northwest of Nellis when I lived in Las Vegas in the 90s. Never once did I suspect that it was "aliens" or other such nonsense; it was clearly something of ours that we didn't (probably still don't) know about and was most likely terribly awesome... but to me, for all intents and purposes, it was merely an unidentified flying object.
We saw some UFOs once during a trip along Route 66 and were driving pretty close to the Arizona/California border. I don't think they were any kind of alien, but they were pretty weird:
They hung around for a very long time. We were thinking that they might have been some sort of flare, but they kept moving in different directions (including up, which made us question if they were flares). The exposure was a couple minutes long, so you can kind of see the path they took. At some point one of the lights went out, and then another one showed up somewhere behind us.
I'm sure that there is a pretty innocent explanation for these (I think there is a military base somewhere near), but when you run into something like this at 2 AM you get a little freaked out.
LordofHats wrote: ... Tice ran screaming straight to the New York Times about how the American government was invading the privacy of its citizens. They're reading your emails! They're listening in on your phone conversations!...
The thing I find amusing about this is that all the complaints I've heard about it are stuck on the incredible damage done to civil liberty that results from some government lackey listening in on somebody's wife telling them to buy milk on the way home, rather than focusing on just what a massive waste of money it is to be monitoring that conversation in the first place...
Agreed. Why people feel their private conversations are so important bewilders me (I had the same response to the EA Origin thing). That the government wastes money listening isn't as surprising to me. It's just kind of disappointing.
I think the thing for Tice though is that at the time, he sounded completely looney. Conspiracy theory nut no one should listen to. And look what happened. Same thing happened to Earnest Hemingway. He was convinced the FBI was spying on him but everyone said he was crazy. Turns out the FBI really was spying on him, orders from Hoover himself.
Not that I think conspiracy theories should be given credence, most are completely bonkers on their face, but some paranoid nonsense often times turns out to be true.
"I can't tell you where I served." "I can't tell you what my job in the military was." "I'd love to tell you this story, but it's still classified."
Guys love to make themselves seem more important than they really are. It's been my general experience that people who REALLY served in situations that they can't talk about don't tell you that they can't talk about it. People who make a point of telling you about their 'secret' past are usually full of it.
What are you talking about? I have met several people (who may or may not be crazy) who said they worked as assassins in the army in the first Iraq war . Top secret stuff that they tell to everyone they meet.
"I can't tell you where I served." "I can't tell you what my job in the military was." "I'd love to tell you this story, but it's still classified."
Guys love to make themselves seem more important than they really are. It's been my general experience that people who REALLY served in situations that they can't talk about don't tell you that they can't talk about it. People who make a point of telling you about their 'secret' past are usually full of it."
I had the unfortunate experience of giving an old man on his death bed company a few years ago.
Spent his whole life in the military, was an MI6 agent for a while, and went all over the world. When I first met him he just sat there reading military books and talked, but as he started deteriorating he muttered some awful stories. I mean this guy was made to kill children and some of the things he cried about in his sleep etc made me break down sometimes. Seriously messed up stuff. He would hardly talk about it when he was his normal self though.
Whats worse is this guy got nothing from the military in his final years. Yes he was in a different country (MI6 was british) but he spent his life in service for his government only to die alone, slowly in an old person home.
Just to be clear he was (apparently) involved in a lot British military branches etc, since he hardly spoke of it in his normal state im not too sure on the details. And im glad I dont know.
But anyways back to the point, im sure this guy wasnt making these up. Yes he could be insane or deranged but I feel the stuff that came from his mouth were true. I dont believe in conspiracies as such, but I do think there are many, many things that very few people will ever know. And even if they do hear about them, they will be like me, unsure if its true or not.
Its better, to simply not dwell on it. I mean, at the end of the day there are real problems to look at.
Coincidence is always over looked on conspiracy theories too which annoys me. Like its some huge deal that something happened to happen when it did to them. Im sure the coincidences where looked into a lot by those investigating. Those people just need to accept that not every little detail happens for a reason. Some things just happen.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: He let the family know who he worked for when he retired (we had always assumed it was the CIA) and while he has never exactly said what he did, I assume he was a field officer because he carried a firearm (most CIA employees do not).
A lot of soldiers have probably done 'classified' stuff but the Army at least classifies everything under the sun (They Also Love to Capitalize ).
Funny Example; I was doing a research project senior year and needed to request the Allgemeine SS handbook which for some baffling reasons was a classified document at MHI. The people who worked there didn't even know why it was classified. We just assume it was put that way at some point and no one ever bothered to change it.
Point being, classified isn't as special as Hollywood makes it sound.
LordofHats wrote: A lot of soldiers have probably done 'classified' stuff but the Army at least classifies everything under the sun (They Also Love to Capitalize ).
Funny Example; I was doing a research project senior year and needed to request the Allgemeine SS handbook which for some baffling reasons was a classified document at MHI. The people who worked there didn't even know why it was classified. We just assume it was put that way at some point and no one ever bothered to change it.
Point being, classified isn't as special as Hollywood makes it sound.
This is true as well. Im sure there are heaps of files etc that where declared classified as a precaution then never changed when the precaution was no longer necessary. Im sure most classified documents and so on are boring as hell too.
TheMeanDM wrote: Some have asked how the government can maintain secrets as well and as long as they have and do.
Just an example:
A week or so ago I was talking with one of our local officers. Known the guy for close to 10 years. Knew he was in the navy and did some work on subs.
So we were talking and I asked him what subs and kinds he had been on. He said a few names (Los Angeles among them) and then said "And a couple others I can't talk about".
He's been out of the navy for 20+years....and yet still maintains the secrecy.
Those are the types of people the government and military seek out, train, etc.
But that isn't a really good example. This guy probably never did anything really interesting that anyone outside of his friends would care about, so it's easy to keep the secrets. Nobody's going to lose any sleep over the fact that they were on a sub somewhere and the exact route they took isn't public knowledge. But that's not at all the same thing as trying to get someone to cover up, say, the US government organizing the 9/11 attacks, or keeping UFOs and alien corpses. That's the kind of thing that no moral person could keep to themselves, and even a single leak would be enough to destroy the entire conspiracy.
And it's not like a lot of the 'facts' used in support of said theories are either completely made up, or based on blatantly obvious misunderstandings.
A good one is the Pearl Harbor Conspiracy where people claim FDR allowed the attack to happen so he could declare war on Germany, which makes so little sense on its face and even less when you dig into it it's hard not to go House on their ass;
I believe the History channel, everything that is unexplained and fishy, Aliens did it, it is not the government that is slowly enriching the one per-centers, it is not the government that is slowly eroding the citizens rights, it is all Aliens! We must Hunt and expose them!
I believe the History channel, everything that is unexplained and fishy, Aliens did it, it is not the government that is slowly enriching the one per-centers, it is not the government that is slowly eroding the citizens rights, it is all Aliens! We must Hunt and expose them!
I once saw a documentary on the history channel trying to say that big foot was the original human, and we are the result of being mated with aliens. The reason big foot is in hiding is because they are scared of us "not humans" that tried to wipe them out many years ago. Documentaries like that should always be played. So funny.
I believe that conspiracies do happen, however, I think they are almost always small scale. For example- the 9/11 conspiracy. A small group of islamic fundamentalist terrorists conspired to crash some planes into landmark US buildings.
Larger conspiracies would be impossible to keep secret for any amount of time. And usually, they are overly complex to achieve the stated goals. If the US government wanted to "false flag" some islamic terrorists, there are a million ways it could have done so more easily (and with less cost to the US economy) than by flying planes into the towers. Hell, even just planting bombs in the right places would have been easier to pull off, and could easily still have been blamed on islamic fundamentalist groups. Why go through all the extra hassle?
I have several co-workers who are conspiracy theorists, and it bugs me no end. I feel it's somewhat like a mild mental illness.
That being said, I feel the same about people who think that climate change is a giant scam "for the money". I mean, let's just look at which set of vested interests in that conversation is more likely to be motivated by money here...
personally I feel like anything on the radio show Coast to Coast is total gak and can be ignored as idiocy, but it makes for good listening.
oh any my personal hatreds are vaccines and global warming, how dense can they be? but I do love it when people will talk about the massive conspiracy needed for Vaccines to be bad, and then use either WHO or the CDC as an authority for information( contradiction much?)
I believe the History channel, everything that is unexplained and fishy, Aliens did it, it is not the government that is slowly enriching the one per-centers, it is not the government that is slowly eroding the citizens rights, it is all Aliens! We must Hunt and expose them!
I once saw a documentary on the history channel trying to say that big foot was the original human, and we are the result of being mated with aliens. The reason big foot is in hiding is because they are scared of us "not humans" that tried to wipe them out many years ago. Documentaries like that should always be played. So funny.
That reminded me of the southpark episode about how aliens visited the pilgrims. So funneh.
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
I am going to turn this into a Conspiracy X game. In homage, somewhere in my game will be a Top Secret Project Seaward.
Games Workshop issued White Dwarf rules that made flamers the most awesome unit ever to boost sales for clearing warehouse space, then promptly neutered the unit when the 6th edition codex hit a few months later when they sold enough of them.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: He let the family know who he worked for when he retired (we had always assumed it was the CIA) and while he has never exactly said what he did, I assume he was a field officer because he carried a firearm (most CIA employees do not).
Field officers don't, either.
Well, I can say this: ever since I found out he had indeed worked for the CIA when he retired in early 2001, I figured he was part of the Directorate of Operations (now called the National Clandestine Service) based on his military background and where I knew he had traveled while working for the government. Even though I know he has extensive expertise in firearms, I don't think he was part of the Special Activities Division. He has since gone back to work for the government (the Agency again) as a firearms and he works in the Norfolk area.
I've installed and repaired heating and cooling systems in plenty of SCIFs and other such areas for all sorts of friendly people (CIA, FBI, DoD, DoC, etc.) and I can say that most "classified" stuff I've been around isn't that glamorous... it's usually just a bunch people slaving away in cube farms.
I've installed and repaired heating and cooling systems in plenty of SCIFs and other such areas for all sorts of friendly people (CIA, FBI, DoD, DoC, etc.) and I can say that most "classified" stuff I've been around isn't that glamorous... it's usually just a bunch people slaving away in cube farms.
Agreed. I've been in a couple "Classified" areas and the vast majority of Classified stuff is pretty routine and boring stuff.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Well, I can say this: ever since I found out he had indeed worked for the CIA when he retired in early 2001, I figured he was part of the Directorate of Operations (now called the National Clandestine Service) based on his military background and where I knew he had traveled while working for the government. Even though I know he has extensive expertise in firearms, I don't think he was part of the Special Activities Division. He has since gone back to work for the government (the Agency again) as a firearms and he works in the Norfolk area.
Maybe, but clandestine guys ain't issued guns, either. If he was lugging a CIA-issued gun around in the States, my money would be on Protective Services, their internal Secret Service analogue.
The saddest, funniest, most absurd thing is I have an idiot at my work which is always fumbling with his job and he believes in every conspiracy theory (those were his words). Every....single....one (including the reptiloid politicians from space I think).
Yeah we all think he's nuts. I think in one case he even thought a tornado was a cover up by the government.
So yeah my work basically has a 'tin foil hat man'.
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As for myself I believe in no conspiracy theories I've heard of. Usually the right answer is the most boring one. Maybe not always but usually. Whenever people can't explain something they jump to conclusions like thinking they saw a UFO, big foot or the government did something.
Even if any of these were true people that let these conspiracies consume their lives go crazy and waste their life. Is there anything wrong with being happy with what you've got?
Considering the things the government seems to fail to do on a much smaller level I highly doubt they have some super convoluted plan that is working absolutely flawlessly. It's just f*cking stupid. I almost wish these conspiracy nuts would go home, shut up and be ashamed of all these BS theories being thrown around on the internet. Chances are if they stayed locked in their homes they'd go even crazier though.
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The only one or two theories I've ever heard which even slightly seemed off was about kennedy but info seems to suggest just one gunman. Sometimes not all the details are really clear. It happens.
The other theory wasn't really a theory so much that things just seemed a little fishy at one point with the 'gun control' or something and maybe one shooting or similar. It was probably either it being brought up because something happened or it happened to be the yearly hot debate of guns being drawn up again and they needed to focus on one shooting as an example. As if the people that died that day wanted to be used for political purposes to further a politician's agenda.
Actually I don't think it was a shooting I was suspicious of. I can't remember what it was but something didn't feel right about something. It could probably be explained with enough time and evidence though. As I said I don't really believe in any of these stupid theories.
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I have a theory though not really a conspiracy that might true. It's not really far off and probably obvious for some.
I think the war in Iraq was partly as a way of killing two birds with one stone. I feel like the U.S. mostly invaded to take Iraq out of the equation while simultaneously having bases surrounding iran and therefore putting pressure on them in case they decided to do something really stupid. It wouldn't necessarily be war but perhaps embargo on the country. If we surround them it'd really hurt the country.
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Then again I'm just some dude and I don't know too much so whatever.
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be 9-11 and the Sandy Hook shooting.
Shut up! You're no longer allowed to think.
;P
Sorry but 9/11 as a conspiracy theory. Come on man.
I don't mean to be mean just think a little more. Plus I just feel like that line i just used is classic even if I don't mean to be so harsh.
poppa G wrote: I find that a lot of them are more than likely true. The main ones for me would be 9-11 and the Sandy Hook shooting.
I can tell without even reading the rest of this thread that there will be fun times ahead.
Fun in the context of dwarf fortress that is.
In any case; no. The more convoluted the logic that is needed to make them work, the less likely I'll believe them.
Things like Lizard people, Alien butt probing, Mole Men, and Atlantis are adorable. Things like 9/11 truthers, Pearl Harbor conspiracists, Vaccine/ARVs just keep you sickers, or Holocaust deniers are disgusting.
Never attribute to malice and conspiracy what can be just as easily if not more easily explained by incompetence and stupidity.
As for 9/11, not only are the physics that the truthers quote completely wrong (jet fuel may not burn hot enough to melt steel, but it is enough to soften it to the point of easily collapsing under most any pressure...such as the building's own weight), but the amount of effort that would need to go into disguising this conspiracy for thirteen years is monumental.
Someone did some napkin calculations of how much money it would take to hush up everyone who could spill the beens and came up to five trillion USD (well beyond the U.S governments financial abilities then or now) assuming a bribe of ten million dollars per person. And this entire house of cards would come crashing down if anyone broke their silence. In addition; moving that much money around is going to get noticed and noticed fast. There's a reason why criminals put so much effort into money laundering.
Not to mention that the amount of effort it would take to plant evidence to fool just about every reputable independent investigation would be colossal. To the point that we're not even talking about humans pulling off this conspiracy, but psychic gremlins from the 8th dimension. The U.S Government just isn't competent enough to pull something like this, no government is or was or likely will be.
And all this effort for what?
Two wars of little to no political or financial gain?
Come on, the 9/11 truthers are certifiably crazy.
And if these conspiracies did happen; why can't rival governments uncover them but a bunch of paranoid geeks with too much free time can?
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Jihadin wrote: Hey Curran. Area51 perfect example for you. We all can see it but no idea what's really in it.
Governments have been hiding the capabilities of their military aircraft from the wider world since military aviation was a thing for reasons that should be obvious.
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter?
Now, I'm not a Star Wars nerd by any stretch of the imagination, but even I cringed here.
Vader piloted a TIE Advanced x1, a starfighter with a reinforced durasteel hull - unlike the /LN's titanium alloy - AND deflector shields, an addition that was not nearly standard on Empire starfighters. It also carried a hyperdrive, allowing it some degree of independence from a fleet.
Contrary to how this may point towards the lack of a conspiracy, I believe it may actually be far more of one. See, the /LN was, by comparison, flimsy, and Lord Vader would have had to have been suicidal to fly one. What sort of advantage would be gained by flying an /LN, a starfighter that relies purely on manoeuvrability in dogfights, carries no hyperdrive - forcing a reliance on carriers - and has no landing gear, in order to escape the destruction of a space station?
The Death Star's destruction would have scattered any and all Empire naval assets in the system, and with the Rebel fleet in place, returning to any remaining carrier before it jumps, or before you're intercepted and destroyed, would be a tall order. Surviving the blast from the Death Star in an /LN would be a miraculous show of sheer luck at the distance Vader attacked from, and the hit that sent him spiralling into the void would have left him very much stranded.
With an Advanced x1, however, things start to fall into place. Firstly, the destruction of the space station and scattering of the Imperial fleet would not hinder a hyperspace-capable starfighter; what better way to survive than to fake an attack on one of the few Rebel starfighters stranded inside a trench with few areas for aid to come, and plenty of defence from stray fire or that from cruisers, as well as allowing your own defence turrets to draw fire?
The shot Vader took that forced him to retreat was singular, and with the x1's deflector-shield, could be taken with a fair degree of safety, giving Vader the perfect reason to back off both from Luke, and from the blast of the Death Star.
Lord Vader's piloting of his x1 was clearly a cleverly-orchestrated plan of escape, which would draw little, if any suspicion unless closely examined.
Seaward wrote: Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years, but nobody knows who "they" are. But I'm pretty sure they're all Freemasons.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
Thing is, there are conspiracies. Individuals conspire for all sorts of ends, and this sometimes includes governments and other power organisations.
Take, for instance, the Brazilian coup of 1964, in which the armed forces, who were friendly to the US, overthrew the leftwing government. For years there were rumours of CIA involvement, and that the US had actually deployed a naval force to support the right in the expected civil war. This was dismissed as a conspiracy theory for years, and not without reason - complaints of US involvement was an easy way for the Brazilian left to avoid proper criticism of the incompetent politics of their leadership and the lack of fight the left gave after the coup.
Except years later documents released under freedom of information revealed that the US had actually released an aircraft carrier group to support the military forces in any civil war, and had stockpiled fuel and ammunition ready to be airlifted in to help in the fighting. Other documents have shown clear CIA interest and involvement in supporting US aligned forces, though actual operations have never been revealed.
Not that that means we should believe any and all conspiracies, obviously. Anything that involves cast co-operation from large numbers of people with no formal connections are just silly, such as the the fake moon landings or vaccines causing autism. And perhaps even sillier are the conspiracy theories in which elaborate plans with really hazy end goals, such as Roosevelt letting Pearl Harbour happen to bring the US in to the war, because apparently America would only get angry about a Japanese surprise attack if it was a successful attack, or the 9-11 attack, because there's no better way to trick the population in to attacking Iraq than to have a bunch of Saudis and Pakistanis kill thousands of your citizens.
Point being that the existance of ludicrous nonsense doesn't mean that there aren't regular, run on the mill conspiracies where governments and their intelligence networks get up to all kinds of shenanigans.
Seaward wrote: Indeed. It's my go-to any time conspiracy threads come up.
Surprised the praise got that far under your skin, though.
Wow, you're really making up a whole story in your head there, aren't you?
I thought it was seemed well written enough to be professional, and went to find out who actually wrote it. When I find something good or interesting, I like to find out more about it. Given that you didn't claim it as your own or even imply it as your own I didn't see any point in mentioning where it came from, until people started working under the assumption that you wrote it, or even more strangely that you believed it. I posted something correcting that. I thought about waiting for you to do the same, but thought better I do it, because given you posted once in this thread to make a joke there was a fair chance you weren't going to see it again to correct it.
flamingkillamajig wrote: The saddest, funniest, most absurd thing is I have an idiot at my work which is always fumbling with his job and he believes in every conspiracy theory (those were his words). Every....single....one (including the reptiloid politicians from space I think).
Yeah we all think he's nuts. I think in one case he even thought a tornado was a cover up by the government.
So yeah my work basically has a 'tin foil hat man'.
True off course the use of H.A.A.R.P, causes more Tornado's!
The gates of hell are wizard-locked on the dark side of the moon.
The Apollo missions were sent to try and open them but failed. Soon China will make another attempt and the moon will descend and devour all as has happened thrice before and recorded in ancient Germanic legend.
