The winds of change are upon us, bringing AdeptiCon back in a BIG way for 2015. AdeptiCon will be held March 19th through the 22nd and will be moving to an all-new venue: the Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center! With over 160,000 square feet of combined ballroom and convention space available for our event, the Renaissance looks to be AdeptiCon’s home for the foreseeable future! The AdeptiCon 2015 block is open and you can book your hotel room now!
AdeptiCon has grown consistently over the past twelve years, from the humble 110 person event in 2002, to the amazing 2,200 attendees AdeptiCon hosted in 2014. Over these twelve years, AdeptiCon has been held at four different venues. We have expanded from a handful of events to well over 180 tournaments, event games, and hobby seminars covering all aspects of the miniature war gaming hobby. Despite the continued growth and necessary expansion, we have made every effort to keep consistent focus on one major priority: to present to our attendees the highest quality war gaming event possible. This will remain our priority for 2015 and beyond.
So what can you expect for 2015? First, a lot more space! The kind of space that will allow AdeptiCon to expand its programming – the same kind of events, seminars, and tournaments that have made AdeptiCon one of the world’s preeminent war gaming events.
Looking to game for only a few hours at a time? Tourney events not really your thing? AdeptiCon 2015 is happy to announce that we are expanding our Event Game offerings and dedicating space to these stand-alone events all weekend long. The Event Game Area will be host to dozens of convention-style games that are sure to sport some amazing miniatures and terrain.
While it has, in the past, been difficult to find an open table for pick-up games or the invariable grudge-match, have no fear, for AdeptiCon 2015 will have a dedicated Open Gaming Area. These tables will be available all weekend long.
Hoping to find some space to sit down and do some painting with other like-minded hobbyists? Maybe you need to put those inevitable finishing touches on that last model before the tournament? AdeptiCon 2015 has you covered. A dedicated Hobby Area will be available all weekend for any painting or modelling you might be inclined to do.
AdeptiCon is expanding our extremely popular Sunday evening Board Game night… to run all weekend long! With dedicated space for board game play, a board games library to check out games from, and a wide slate of board game events, run by some of the most popular board game companies in the world, the Board Game Area will be a great addition to AdeptiCon 2015.
Bloggers, vbloggers, ‘casters, and podders get ready, because AdeptiCon 2015 is proud to offer you dedicated private recording space for all your social media needs.
Finally, we are looking at completely revamping our registration process to provide you with a better experience from start to finish. Look for event registration to open early November.
AdeptiCon 2015 promises to be one of the best gaming and hobby events in the world. Building on a solid twelve-year history of success, AdeptiCon is ready to expand in 2015, providing attendees with even more options and possibilities. Stay tuned for continued updates and more information.
I've booked, too! Definitely planning on attending, and if needed you can cancel without fee (and aren't charged until the event).
Just booked for Thurs-Sun nights, as that worked well for me this year since I didn't play in the 40k singles championships.
I've only attended twice, in 2012 and 2014, both at the Westin... so I have to wrap my mind around this . I didn't realize you've had 4 venues, though, so this changing it must seem like old hat for those who have attended longer.
I don't see a bed option on the website, muwhe, just "standard room". I'm using the link Matthias put above to book the room, or clicking "Modify reservation" in the confirmation email I got from the hotel. Neither shows a bed option that I can see.
Ok, not all. It's a great place to get your geek on. Better if you have buddies you're meeting there to hang with but not hard in the least to end up with a group of random people that become your buddies over time. Just a really fun weekend you can geek out at
crazyfoxdemon wrote: Not sure if I'm going to go or not. What's it normally like? (Never been to Adepticon before?)
Hit up youtube for some videos of adepticon coverage. I know bad dice podcast did quite a few videos. If what they say about this coming year is completely true and from what i have experianced in the past, it will be an awesome event. I have only played in events once but have been to observe and walk around which is fun in itself. I had an AWESOME time this past year gaming at adepticon and am already working on next years army.
The only concern after looking through the hotel information and seeing the place and reading all of the new spaces available is what the cost of events will be this year. Im a gamer on a budget and i know events like this are not cheap by any means(i have negoiated hotel contracts for conventions) but I dont know if ill have the money to drop another $100+ for 2 events then If it goes up who knows.....
Bottom line is, it is a totally awesome gaming event. Everyone should go at least once
I'm a little annoyed. I still haven't been contacted by the hotel regarding the room thing and I still can't change it under my reservation. I'll give them a call this afternoon but so far the hotel is making this more work than it should be
just called them and they got my 2 rooms sorted right away. I am looking forward to attending again next year. This year was my first Adepticon and most definitely the best tourny I have been to.
I just checked and was able to modify my reservation to be a "Deluxe Double" rather than a "Standard Room". Has anyone else done this? The description is nearly identical, but the picture seems to show 2 beds, and it lists maximum occupancy as 5 instead of 4.
I don't see the Deluxe Double option listed when I go through attempting to make a new reservation (as a test), though.
i got confirmation from the hotel that I was switched to a deluxe double so I hadn't checked the site yet. I know they were going through all the reservations and contacting anyone who didn't specify so you probably beat them to calling you to find out
Me thinks they are going to need to open up a larger block of rooms.
Hulksmash wrote:Me thinks they are going to need to open up a larger block of rooms.
We are working with the hotel already on daily basis. Over nine months out and we already have well over 1,400 room nights booked. Even peak nights are getting close to the total allocated. The bookend nights have been increased accordingly to accommodate additional requests. For those who run into any booking issues, please send an email to info@adepticon.org. We will actively work to with the hotel to accommodate everyone's needs as best we can.
jbunny wrote:When does the event schedule get released normally?
Schedule of events is typically released sometime in October.
Definitely contact Greg if you guys are having issues. He's doing an awesome job with the transition to the new hotel.
Glad to hear they are pushing more of the bookend rooms. I had a couple of people mention that the bookends were an issue they were running into in our facebook group. I'll let them know they've been increasing them.
And there should have been a smiley face on my quoted comment. The new hotel was obviously being reasonably cautious of a 1st year event at their location.
Hulksmash wrote: And there should have been a smiley face on my quoted comment. The new hotel was obviously being reasonably cautious of a 1st year event at their location.
Yeah - it's really about risk management for both AdeptiCon and the Marriott.
In conjunction with the move to the new venue, development has begun behind the scenes as we prepare to kick AdeptiCon 2015 planning into full gear. One of the more significant changes in the coming year will be regarding how we handle demos, event games and smaller tournaments. In the past, space restrictions forced us to micromanage these events so that they all fit within the hotel and made sense with regards to the schedule. We will no longer have this problem at the Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center...we have the space...and we need more games! We are looking for a few good game masters to run demos, historical events, specialty games, board games, and anything else that makes sense!
AdeptiCon 2015 Event Submission is now open to the public. If you are interested in running an event, please take the time to look over the form and get it submitted as soon as possible. Some things to keep in mind:
Space and schedules are limited. Events that are new to AdeptiCon should be scaled appropriately to justify inclusion in the schedule based on space required and realistic attendance expectations. AdeptiCon will work with you to properly scale your event.
AdeptiCon reserves the right to refuse any event submission due to content or schedule/space saturation.
All required fields MUST BE fully completed when submitting this form. Incomplete submissions or submissions with placeholders will not be accepted.
Spell check your event descriptions!
Event Submission will close at 5PM CDT on October 3rd, 2014.
You will receive an email after the schedule has been resolved in mid-October with your scheduling details.
We booked our hotel a week ago, got one a 5 minute drive away, for $70 a night for 4 people, 2 beds. A nice chain hotel. How much do drinks and food cost at the event? This will be the first time us Canucks get to make it down.
A couple things for those who have yet to make hotel arrangements for AdeptiCon 2015:
We are at or near capacity most nights with the Schaumburg Convention Center Hotel.
For people wanting to stay on property, our hotel representative has put together a wait list and will work to get reservations into the property as space becomes available. It is best to email us at info@adepticon.org , and we will pass along our hotel contact information instructions for getting added to the property hotel wait list.
Additionally, we have setup an alternate hotel block at the
Embassy Suites Chicago - Schaumburg/Woodfield
1939 North Meacham Road, Schaumburg, Illinois, 60173
USA TEL: +1-847-397-1313
This is hotel offers similar amenities and is within walking distance of the Schaumburg Convention Center at an AdeptiCon rate of 120.00. Arrangements have been made for shuttle service between the two hotels for convenient transportation.
Additionally, if you have already made other hotel arrangements, outside of these two locations, we would love to hear about it. Please pass along the information to info@adepticon.org
This is also a good time to remind everyone that if, for whatever reasons, your plans change and you are unable to attend AdeptiCon, please release your hotel reservation so someone else can make use of it
In conjunction with the move to the new venue, development has begun behind the scenes as we prepare to kick AdeptiCon 2015 planning into full gear. One of the more significant changes in the coming year will be regarding how we handle demos, event games and smaller tournaments. In the past, space restrictions forced us to micromanage these events so that they all fit within the hotel and made sense with regards to the schedule. We will no longer have this problem at the Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center...we have the space...and we need more games! We are looking for a few good game masters to run demos, historical events, specialty games, board games, and anything else that makes sense!
AdeptiCon 2015 Event Submission is now open to the public. If you are interested in running an event, please take the time to look over the form and get it submitted as soon as possible. Some things to keep in mind:
Space and schedules are limited. Events that are new to AdeptiCon should be scaled appropriately to justify inclusion in the schedule based on space required and realistic attendance expectations. AdeptiCon will work with you to properly scale your event.
AdeptiCon reserves the right to refuse any event submission due to content or schedule/space saturation.
All required fields MUST BE fully completed when submitting this form. Incomplete submissions or submissions with placeholders will not be accepted.
Spell check your event descriptions!
Event Submission will close at 5PM CDT on October 3rd, 2014.
You will receive an email after the schedule has been resolved in mid-October with your scheduling details.
I don't have an event to submit, but I just sent you guys an idea for an existing event I've participated in a few times! Hope I sent it in in time . Just noticed that the OP says registration is early November due to your revamping the registration process, so still a few months away yet!
How do you go about booking at the Adepticon rate at the alternate hotel? Seems like the main hotel is already booked if you want rooms for the actual event.
Warhammer 40K Championship Draft Construction Rules
Updated: Our was intention for this event to allow unrestricted Allies, yet it was not completely clear in the first version of the draft rules. This has been amended.
With AdeptiCon 2015 planning in full swing, we have turned our attention to ironing out the army construction rules for our major Warhammer 40K events. Below you will find a draft version for the Warhammer 40K Championship. The goal was to keep the rules as simple and succinct as possible while embracing the open nature of Warhammer 40K 7th Edition. That said, you will notice a few restrictions built into the army construction rules, such as: Codex Detachments and Formations are considered unique and may not be duplicated, a small handful of Lords of War have been excepted from the event, Lords of War and Fortifications are limited to a single unit regardless of how many are available to your detachments...
As always, we are looking for constructive feedback concerning this format. If you have any questions or comments, please get in touch! Stay tuned for the Warhammer 40K Team Tournament Draft rules, scoring guidelines for both events and sample missions!
Any idea of how WHFB will be handled should the new edition come out late this year or early in the year? I know there will be a cutoff date but not sure if that will be different for a new edition
Read it again. It's not just 1 CAD and 1 Allied. It also allows 0-1 of all other detachments. That does limit non-7th codexes a bit thought.
@Muhwe
Opinions submitted. And looking forward to the draft team rules. So much painting to do
That's the same thing though, it's just 1 Ally , 1 Formation etc..
The problem is that several 7th edition codexes now have full formations that are a complete army (Space Wolves), so you can take a Primary and 1 detachment of Space Wolves and have double the HQs as anyone else.
It just benefits Imperial players pretty much.
I mean other than Tyranids no one has any other really awesome formations. Which sucks.
I mean seriously in those points you can take a Formation of Assassins , Adamantine Lance, then still take a Primary.
Read it again. It's not just 1 CAD and 1 Allied. It also allows 0-1 of all other detachments. That does limit non-7th codexes a bit thought.
@Muhwe
Opinions submitted. And looking forward to the draft team rules. So much painting to do
That's the same thing though, it's just 1 Ally , 1 Formation etc..
The problem is that several 7th edition codexes now have full formations that are a complete army (Space Wolves), so you can take a Primary and 1 detachment of Space Wolves and have double the HQs as anyone else.
It just benefits Imperial players pretty much.
I mean other than Tyranids no one has any other really awesome formations. Which sucks.
I mean seriously in those points you can take a Formation of Assassins , Adamantine Lance, then still take a Primary.
It's not 1 formation. It's as many formations as you want. Each one can only be taken once.
And yes, at the moment Orks, GK's, and Space Wolves can for all intensive take two force orgs (or 3 with space wolves and 3 with orks). Which is why I said any book without a special force org in it can self-ally. It's not a perfect solution but what is.
As for actual good formations chaos has 1-2, Orks have quite a few, Tyranids have some good ones, and yes, there are a few good imperial ones too. Open formations actually most benefit Orks, who have a ridiculous number of excellent formations.
All in all it's the most open, extremely large event you're likely to see. To me it's nearly perfect. Just a few more LoW restrictions and self allying and we're golden.
Read it again. It's not just 1 CAD and 1 Allied. It also allows 0-1 of all other detachments. That does limit non-7th codexes a bit thought.
@Muhwe
Opinions submitted. And looking forward to the draft team rules. So much painting to do
Some of the "non" 7th ed codexes already allow it.
CSM/Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter can all effectively self ally.
Tau/Farsight Enclaves can self Ally
Imperials can do pretty much whatever they want.
That leaves:
Necrons (likely updated before Adepticon)
Dark Eldar (likely updated before Adepticon)
Tyranids (likely the odd man out but there are like 16 formations and some swanky LoW to choose from)
Deamons (The ability to drawn in CSM and friends though provides options and these guys also have some swanky LoW choices)
Eldar (limited ally abilities and 1 formation but can ally with Tau/Farsight and Dark Eldar)
We have also left ally levels unrestricted (for now) so just about everyone has a ton of options.
We got your feedback and will be compiling and continuing to test over the next few months.
So why are most Lords of war being allowed and the select few are being banned. The a Transcendent C'tan makes Necrons competitive agaisnt all armies, without it Necrons have a hard struggle against most top tier armies. The transcendent C'tan also is hardly more powerful than what is already allowed in the LoW like stompas and even units like Wraithknights which are on par with the power level of a T. C'tan and are half the points.
NecronLord3 wrote: So why are most Lords of war being allowed and the select few are being banned. The a Transcendent C'tan makes Necrons competitive agaisnt all armies, without it Necrons have a hard struggle against most top tier armies. The transcendent C'tan also is hardly more powerful than what is already allowed in the LoW like stompas and even units like Wraithknights which are on par with the power level of a T. C'tan and are half the points.
Yeah, no. The Transcendent C'tan is so over the top he's not even funny. Sorry but I don't know a single person, competitive or non-competitive, TO or non-TO, who doesn't put it in a category of over the top. Not sure how you equip yours but he's insanely brutal if equipped correctly. And Necrons at the moment are one of the very best armies against most top tier builds with several solid builds of their own (without the tranny).
@Rhysk
List of armies that can't self-ally (not saying they all should or would but the actual list):
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Eldar
Tyranids
Daemons
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Imperial Guard
Sisters of Battle
Some of those are imperial and can ally with other imperials but it's not self-allying. Some of those will likely be updated before Adepticon. Personally, I'm probably playing orks or space wolves at the moment so self-allying doesn't matter to me. But I just think it's more fair to the armies that don't have access to new force orgs within their faction to have the option to self ally.
And I love that you guys left the allies unrestricted. From a modeling perspective it's awesome. From a game play perspective I think it's fine with the deployment limitations.
Like I said, I'm fine with it as it but the only two things I'm throwing in the ring are self-ally (which is the lower of the two) and more limited LoW or at least their weapons (which is a big one). Thanks for all the hard work. Looking forward to Adepticon already
For whatever it's worth, I would also encourage allowing Self-Ally if CAD are restricted, in large part because most armies still don't have access to a CAD-like formation, whereas Imperials basically all get access to it via the Wolves, plus have other special types of detachment (formations in general are harder sells, since they are in MOST cases fixed ... i.e., the Skyblight Formation doesn't let you select 0-1 / 0-2 / etc. of things, it just mandates a fixed number of points whether they fit well or not).
Self-ally within an 1850 or so points environment largely solves the problem, as very few people will run more than 4 of an elite/fast/heavy even if they can, due to points limitations.
Rather excited about this. Despite living in Chicago for as long as Adepticon has existed, I've never gone. I signed up to run a particpation game of 28mm scale Mech Attack so I'm jumping in with both feet.
For those concerned about the new Venue, don't be. It's a great place with TONS of space. It's been the location for Brickworld for the past couple years and has worked very well. The one thing it lacks compared to some other venues is carpeting in the convention hall, but it's a fair trade for more space IMHO.
@namiel - Our AdeptiCon WFB team is on it. It is a little early yet, and as with any new edition or significant change we have to get our hands around it a bit first. That said we ran somewhere around 12+ Warhammer Fantasy Events last year covering all sorts of formats and styles. So I have to believe that whatever changes the new edition brings, our AdeptiCon Warhammer Fantasy events will have something for everyone at a variety of points values.
I really like the format, for what it's worth! (And I'm definitely attending, as are most of the folks who posted above, I think)
I'm excited to NOT have self-allying this time next year- it makes things simpler for me to plan, and I agree that at GW's current rate most books should have been updated by then. If it was a tournament this year, it'd be quite different, of course.
As far as more limited LOW selections- I am not experienced enough to have opinions about this, but even I have heard the horror stories of the two you banned, so I'm glad they're gone! Certainly makes me consider whether I want to invest in a LOW for my 'nids, though.
Should really consider putting the Revenent in that LoW ban list esp with the Reaver and others.
It has 75% damage mitigation from the holo fields and still producing a lot of volume of fire power. Otherwise, you will have people taking that because there is really no other reason not too .
One of the best counters to the Revenant is the C'tran; removal of it makes the Revenant a pretty automatic selection. That said, we ran Lords of War with a nerf to D weapons even in the Narrative event at NOVA, and the Trios event. The feedback was NOT positive, especially from the more casual attendees. So, no matter the ban list, you're probably going to have people complaining no matter what you do. It's a good step that the C'Tran is not included.
The Transcendent C'tan is beatable. Grav weapons, poison, drop pod spam, the tau army, other lords of war all counter the T. C'tan pretty well. It's no more powerful than Eldar or tau are by themselves, the revenent Titan, beast stat or many of the other top builds. The C'tan is a huge points investment, and leaves the player with few other units for board control. However, it is a good threat and success ful counter to units like beast star, thunderwolves, death wing, other LoW etc. the Necrons have something powerful and which makes us very competitve, and it's being banned. It's faction favoritism, a single Wraithknight is half the points of a well built T. C'tan. It can be buffed to a level of survivability with comparable damage output, and can be healed. A T. C'tan can never be buffed with psychic powers and only has Zandrehk to give any additional special ablities. Invisibility alone is more broken than th T. C'tan.
NecronLord3 wrote: The Agra sice dent C'tan is beatable. Grav weapons, poison, drop pod spam, the tau army, other lords of war all counter the T. C'tan pretty well. It's no more powerful than Eldar or tau are by themselves, the revenent Titan, beast stat or many of the other top builds. The C'tan is a huge points investment, and leaves the player with few other units for board control. However, it is a good threat and success ful counter to units like beast star, thunderwolves, death wing, other LoW etc. the Necrons have something powerful and which makes us very competitve, and it's being banned. It's faction favoritism, a single Wraithknight is half the points of a well built T. C'tan. It can be buffed to a level of survivability with comparable damage output, and can be healed. A T. C'tan can never be buffed with psychic powers and only has Zandrehk to give any additional special ablities. Invisibility alone is more broken than th T. C'tan.
I want to field that Wraithknight who can put out 6d6 St8 AP3 shots per turn.....Or a 10" St9 AP2 shot. Or a Helstorm D weapon, Or a Helstorm St6 AP2 shot. All while being able to hide behind most hills and buildings and sporting T9 and a 4+ invul. He might average 800pts. But he's 800pts of pick up your armies counters and go home
Read it again. It's not just 1 CAD and 1 Allied. It also allows 0-1 of all other detachments. That does limit non-7th codexes a bit thought.
@Muhwe
Opinions submitted. And looking forward to the draft team rules. So much painting to do
Some of the "non" 7th ed codexes already allow it.
CSM/Black Legion/Crimson Slaughter can all effectively self ally.
Tau/Farsight Enclaves can self Ally
Imperials can do pretty much whatever they want.
That leaves:
Necrons (likely updated before Adepticon)
Dark Eldar (likely updated before Adepticon)
Tyranids (likely the odd man out but there are like 16 formations and some swanky LoW to choose from)
Deamons (The ability to drawn in CSM and friends though provides options and these guys also have some swanky LoW choices)
Eldar (limited ally abilities and 1 formation but can ally with Tau/Farsight and Dark Eldar)
We have also left ally levels unrestricted (for now) so just about everyone has a ton of options.
We got your feedback and will be compiling and continuing to test over the next few months.
Regards,
Chris
So you guys are allowing codex supplements to self ally via the allied detachment? Because that is actually a bit contentious and should be spelled out in the document. Also if that is true are you allowing Iyanden to self ally?
NecronLord3 wrote: The Agra sice dent C'tan is beatable. Grav weapons, poison, drop pod spam, the tau army, other lords of war all counter the T. C'tan pretty well. It's no more powerful than Eldar or tau are by themselves, the revenent Titan, beast stat or many of the other top builds. The C'tan is a huge points investment, and leaves the player with few other units for board control. However, it is a good threat and success ful counter to units like beast star, thunderwolves, death wing, other LoW etc. the Necrons have something powerful and which makes us very competitve, and it's being banned. It's faction favoritism, a single Wraithknight is half the points of a well built T. C'tan. It can be buffed to a level of survivability with comparable damage output, and can be healed. A T. C'tan can never be buffed with psychic powers and only has Zandrehk to give any additional special ablities. Invisibility alone is more broken than th T. C'tan.
I want to field that Wraithknight who can put out 6d6 St8 AP3 shots per turn.....Or a 10" St9 AP2 shot. Or a Helstorm D weapon, Or a Helstorm St6 AP2 shot. All while being able to hide behind most hills and buildings and sporting T9 and a 4+ invul. He might average 800pts. But he's 800pts of pick up your armies counters and go home
You're in luck because this is what you get:
Wraithknight
Approx. 400 pts
BS4 (rerollable with guide)
WS4 (rerollable with prescience)
S10
T8
A4
W6
I5
L10
3+/5++(4++ with forewarning, rerollable with fortune, +2 cover save with shrouding)
Invisibility - only snap shots to hit, no template weapons can target, 6's to hit in cc
Can I get a necron unit with all that?
Cry me a river that the transcendent C'tan is to powerful. I want the eldar and tau banned then since for a necron player that's pretty much pick up your models and go home for us too.
We are now seeing Tournaments banning units for being to good. If you don't like it maybe war machine or X-wing is something you would be more interested in playing.
First, these are all in draft stages. We have been tossing around these ideas for some time and a number are still under consideration and review. In fact, we expect revisions. AdeptiCon is still 7 months out; thinking back where the game was 7 months ago, and what the thoughts were for formats then as opposed to now, anyone can understand that this is an evolving process - it has evolved and will continue to evolve as we move further away from 6th edition.
Second, this is just one 40k format event out of 18+ or so 40K events we run at the convention. If there is an event format that you like to play, we are most likely running it at some point during the weekend. Want to play smaller point games? We’ve got you covered. Maybe some Horus Hersey 30k is more your style? We have a whole separate track of events planned. Not on board with all this ally, formation, and dataslates nonsense? Maybe some vintage single codex 40K is for you. Team events? Check!
@Necronlord3 - We fully realize that some people will want to see the Trans Ctan included. We certainly appreciate and consider all feedback. However, regardless of the ultimate decision, some segment of the community will feel it is the wrong decision. After 15+ years of running 40K events across five editions of the rules, some things will always remain constant. Here is to another 15+ years.
Hollismason, there are some events that provide miniatures, and there certainly are demos. You can look at the list of offerings in November when registration goes up.
However, the large marquee events all require painted miniatures to participate.
Hollismason wrote: If I don't want to lug things to Schaumburg from Chicago w/ there be tables set up with Miniatures already that I can play at?
Demo's etc..
Also, I really want to play Warhammer Quest and I have not played it in like 16 17 years, so do you know if anyone there supports the old GW stuff
Specifically I want to play
Necromunda
Bloodbowl
Warhammer Quest
And participate in a Narrative that I maybe don't ahve to field my miniatures.
We are working hard to set up demos and participation type games for Adepticon 2015. Game systems already on the list include Infinity, various Mantic games, Saga, Hail Caesar, Fire Storm Armada, Wreck Age, Legends of the Old West. Necromunda and Bloodbowl both have tournament events on the schedule. Unfortunately, no volunteers have stepped up to run Warhammer Quest.
Oh cool , will definitely participate in those, to bad about Warhammer Quest but you said you had a open table area and a board game thing.
Is it okay if I brought my Warhammer Quest box and stuff?
Also, I wanted to bring my old Talisman to the board gaming thing cause it's my favourite board game is it okay to bring games to that or is it like a organized thing?
There will be tables for open gaming, and it's fine to bring your own games. If you do want to put your game on the schedule, use the submit link, or PM me for more information.
While we are still a ways off in finalizing our mission and scoring formats, we have been playtesting an alternative set of Tactical Objectives for the possible use in Maelstrom of War missions at AdeptiCon 2015. The cards presented below are based on the Tactical Objectives presented in the Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition rulebook, but have been modified to better suit the event. In some cases, cards were completely removed and replaced. Additionally, some cards now have a discard mechanic allowing you to immediately draw a replacement card.
Please keep in mind that this deck is still in the draft stages and we are looking for constructive feedback. If you have any questions or comments, please get in touch!
Also...as Rhysk says a page or back: "We have also left ally levels unrestricted (for now) so just about everyone has a ton of options." Our intention was for this event to allow unrestricted Allies, yet it was not completely clear in the first version of the draft rules. This has been amended.
Please note, the Championship Draft rules have been amended:
For the purposes of this event, Allied Detachments may be chosen from the same Faction as your Primary Detachment. This effectively allows a Faction to ally with itself
These updates are based on feedback received from the initial post. We agree that allowing unrestricted same faction alliance gives consideration to older codecies without direct access to "Codex Detachments". We understand that this is a change to the rules presented in the main rule book but believe that it bridges the gap for older books until the entire codex library is brought in line with 7th edition.
Furthermore, we have intentionally left Ally Levels Unrestricted (for now). This was intentional from the start, but as a few astute readers pointed out was not entirely clear.
These rules are meant to be considered in tandem with the recently posted Adepticon Tactical Objective Cards (Draft). Many of the 40K events will leverage Maelstrom of War style missions in some form and those events will use these deck rules. As always, constructive feedback is encouraged.
Matthias wrote: Warhammer 40K Tactical Objectives for Playtesting . The cards presented below are based on the Tactical Objectives presented in the Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition rulebook, but have been modified to better suit the event. In some cases, cards were completely removed and replaced. Additionally, some cards now have a discard mechanic allowing you to immediately draw a replacement card.
Please keep in mind that this deck is still in the draft stages and we are looking for constructive feedback. If you have any questions or comments, please get in touch!
Just had a look at these. Though I don't play 40k anymore, they could be really useful for other games as well. I'm always looking for ways to modfiy scenarios and keep players on their toes. Thanks for posting them!
Leth wrote: I really like those tactical objectives. Do they follow the same drawing scheme as in regular maelstrom mission rules?
They are meant to be seamlessly inserted into the Maelstrom of War Missions presented in the Main Rulebook. While the actual missions used in Adepticon 40K events may not mirror the BRB Maelstrom missions identically, you should feel free to use them for play testing purposes.
Who should I get in touch with in regards to the Necromunda tournament and games? I have the rule book and the living rulebook but I'm not sure what version their going to play.
Hollismason wrote: Who should I get in touch with in regards to the Necromunda tournament and games? I have the rule book and the living rulebook but I'm not sure what version their going to play.
You will be able to see the version once the rules for the event are posted.
I saw the tactical objectives. Does Adepticon plan on using tactical objectives in the Championships and/or the team tournament? I must state my opinion that I think this is a very very bad idea. Malestrom of war simply does not work in a competitive setting and I will have to rethink my plans to play in these events if they rely heavily on malestrom of war.
While I'm not a fan of random objectives leading you around by the nose mid game without much game long planning involved, personally, BAO and ETC have both done OK jobs of making this mission type work alright for fair play. I suspect adepticon will also!
Thanks! However, since the change the Necromunda rules have been actually removed from the GW site , so the link there doesn't work but I think it's the same as the Necromunda LRB.
NecronLord3 wrote: The Transcendent C'tan is beatable. Grav weapons, poison, drop pod spam, the tau army, other lords of war all counter the T. C'tan pretty well. It's no more powerful than Eldar or tau are by themselves, the revenent Titan, beast stat or many of the other top builds. The C'tan is a huge points investment, and leaves the player with few other units for board control. However, it is a good threat and success ful counter to units like beast star, thunderwolves, death wing, other LoW etc. the Necrons have something powerful and which makes us very competitve, and it's being banned. It's faction favoritism, a single Wraithknight is half the points of a well built T. C'tan. It can be buffed to a level of survivability with comparable damage output, and can be healed. A T. C'tan can never be buffed with psychic powers and only has Zandrehk to give any additional special ablities. Invisibility alone is more broken than th T. C'tan.
Judging by your avatar and your handle I wonder if you are biased?
The Tranny C'Tan is way, way, way over the top as far as power goes. The thing can kill armies by itself with just the other units standing around cheering him on. How do drop pods kill him?How does poison kill him? How does anything kill him that he can't kill first?Tau? Give me a break. 6D6 strength 8 AP 3 shots will destroy anything and everything at range, and that is just one of his shooting powers.
We will see just how powerful he is next month when a couple of larger GTs allow him, but I predict it will not be pretty.
BS4 (rerollable with guide)
WS4 (rerollable with prescience)
S10
T8
A4
W6
I5
L10
3+/5++(4++ with forewarning, rerollable with fortune, +2 cover save with shrouding)
Invisibility - only snap shots to hit, no template weapons can target, 6's to hit in cc
Can I get a necron unit with all that?
Cry me a river that the transcendent C'tan is to powerful. I want the eldar and tau banned then since for a necron player that's pretty much pick up your models and go home for us too.
We are now seeing Tournaments banning units for being to good. If you don't like it maybe war machine or X-wing is something you would be more interested in playing.
Yes, if you take a Wraithknight, and 2 Farseers, and if you roll the perfect powers, and manage to cast them all you can make a model as tough as the Tranny C'Tan. Here is what you are missing:
#1. The C'Tan is small and can hide.
#2. The C'Tans powers can't be denied.
#3. The Wraithknight is not a Gargantuan creature (Khan insta-kill 2 wraithknights and so did a Khorne herald last Saturday).
#4. This is the big difference...the fire power. The C'Tan will take 2 units off a turn, the Wraithknight is hardly killing anything.
I note that it says that models must be mounted on 28mm-or-larger bases. This seems odd since necromunda figures were always sold with 25mm base. Probably a typo, but kind of an important one.
I am very excited for Adepticon as always and am sure it will be an incredible event as always!
I would like to add my two cents too, that limiting some of the crazier LoW would be a prudent choice as some of them are so incredibly powerful that while they can be beaten, will utterly dominate many players and make the game not that enjoyable for them. Some games will be over in the first shooting phase.
But, either way, Team Zero Comp will be there having fun.
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NecronLord3 wrote: The Transcendent C'tan is beatable. Grav weapons, poison, drop pod spam, the tau army, other lords of war all counter the T. C'tan pretty well. It's no more powerful than Eldar or tau are by themselves, the revenent Titan, beast stat or many of the other top builds. The C'tan is a huge points investment, and leaves the player with few other units for board control. However, it is a good threat and success ful counter to units like beast star, thunderwolves, death wing, other LoW etc. the Necrons have something powerful and which makes us very competitve, and it's being banned. It's faction favoritism, a single Wraithknight is half the points of a well built T. C'tan. It can be buffed to a level of survivability with comparable damage output, and can be healed. A T. C'tan can never be buffed with psychic powers and only has Zandrehk to give any additional special ablities. Invisibility alone is more broken than th T. C'tan.
Judging by your avatar and your handle I wonder if you are biased?
The Tranny C'Tan is way, way, way over the top as far as power goes. The thing can kill armies by itself with just the other units standing around cheering him on. How do drop pods kill him?How does poison kill him? How does anything kill him that he can't kill first?Tau? Give me a break. 6D6 strength 8 AP 3 shots will destroy anything and everything at range, and that is just one of his shooting powers.
We will see just how powerful he is next month when a couple of larger GTs allow him, but I predict it will not be pretty.
BS4 (rerollable with guide)
WS4 (rerollable with prescience)
S10
T8
A4
W6
I5
L10
3+/5++(4++ with forewarning, rerollable with fortune, +2 cover save with shrouding)
Invisibility - only snap shots to hit, no template weapons can target, 6's to hit in cc
Can I get a necron unit with all that?
Cry me a river that the transcendent C'tan is to powerful. I want the eldar and tau banned then since for a necron player that's pretty much pick up your models and go home for us too.
We are now seeing Tournaments banning units for being to good. If you don't like it maybe war machine or X-wing is something you would be more interested in playing.
Yes, if you take a Wraithknight, and 2 Farseers, and if you roll the perfect powers, and manage to cast them all you can make a model as tough as the Tranny C'Tan. Here is what you are missing:
#1. The C'Tan is small and can hide.
#2. The C'Tans powers can't be denied.
#3. The Wraithknight is not a Gargantuan creature (Khan insta-kill 2 wraithknights and so did a Khorne herald last Saturday).
#4. This is the big difference...the fire power. The C'Tan will take 2 units off a turn, the Wraithknight is hardly killing anything.
Tell me what the Necrons have to be competitve with when stompas, Revenant Titans, and invisibility is allowed at the event? Necrons have squat to compete with any of that, and even without LoW Necrons have a tough time competing against Tau and Eldar. It's an 1850 event, taking a T. C'tan denies the army a lot of board control, and the amount of poision Dark Eldar can put out will still kill a T. C"tan. It's not an auto kill but it's a good fair fight. Not to mention Grav. Guns and melta weapons that can kill it even easier.
I've ran it a lot and opponents have killed it and it doesn't auto win you games, and that is without Revenant titans and Stompas leveling the playing field. Good players have nothing to fear, people relying on uber cheese like Tau and Eldar can bring fear the T. C'tan because it is a solid counter to their army.
If you aren't killing things with your Wraithknights you obviously don't know what you are doing.
Tell me what the Necrons have to be competitve with when stompas, Revenant Titans, and invisibility is allowed at the event? Necrons have squat to compete with any of that, and even without LoW Necrons have a tough time competing against Tau and Eldar. It's an 1850 event, taking a T. C'tan denies the army a lot of board control, and the amount of poision Dark Eldar can put out will still kill a T. C"tan. It's not an auto kill but it's a good fair fight. Not to mention Grav. Guns and melta weapons that can kill it even easier.
I've ran it a lot and opponents have killed it and it doesn't auto win you games, and that is without Revenant titans and Stompas leveling the playing field. Good players have nothing to fear, people relying on uber cheese like Tau and Eldar can bring fear the T. C'tan because it is a solid counter to their army.
If you aren't killing things with your Wraithknights you obviously don't know what you are doing.
If you are a bad player and need the C'Tan to win there is nothing I can say here to help you.
Necrons are one of the top armies in 7th edition. CCB are way under costed, AV 13 skimmers are incredibly durable, and they will wreck one of the other top armies (wave serpent spam).
NecronLord3 wrote: [ and the amount of poison Dark Eldar can put out will still kill a T. C"tan. .
I thought that I would take this example of how to kill a C'Tan out. If you shoot the C'Tan with 100 poison shots on average it will do 2.4 wounds to it. So yes, if you had a DE army, and you had no LoS blocking terrain, and you shot at the C'Tan for 6 turns, and nothing in the Necron army shot back, yes you can kill it.
Yes mathhammer your reasons your justifications with everything. Snore.
100 shots at least is what venom spam is putting out there not to mention thunder wolf Calvary and grav. Weapons which kill it even faster. Devestators/long fangs with lascannons are an even cheaper option and will put a lot of hurt on the C'tan.
Now what do Necrons have to combat invisible units? Revenant titans? And again, a Eldar and Tau that aren't even bring LoW. Very little, and playing Cron air is boring, and there are hard counters to that tactic. It's not competitve. The T. C'tan is. And I have loved this model, and the C'tan in general since 3rd edition. Is has nothing to do with not winning without a C'tan it has everything to do with bring the best unit available to my codex, like any good player would have access to in any other army.
I'll downgrade to an Armour 14 slower version of the T. C'tan without an Armour or invulunerable save when Adepticon takes the 30" move, holofields and psychic abilities being able to be cast on the Revenant Titan, or on any other LoW for that matter, away.
I don't want that, all the LoW should be allowed as is.
Seeing as there most likely will be a new Necron Codex released prior AdeptiCon 2015, I am one to wait and see what that brings. Arguing over a book/unit that isn't even going to be legal at the event is sort of pointless.
It's not worth engaging. I'd say he's made his statement of how he thinks the rules should be. And I'm sure Adepticon will take in his feedback like they have all of ours.
Personally I'm looking forward to the Team rules....nudge nudge, wink wink
Hollismason wrote: Who should I get in touch with in regards to the Necromunda tournament and games? I have the rule book and the living rulebook but I'm not sure what version their going to play.
Sorry for the delay in replying.
I'm the Necromunda (and Flames of War: Recon In Force) tournament organizer. We'll be using the LRB version of the rulebook. While I enjoy the old rulebook (it's actually the game that got me into miniature gaming way back in 196), I use the LRB every year since it's widely available online and is free.
Matthias wrote: Seeing as there most likely will be a new Necron Codex released prior AdeptiCon 2015, I am one to wait and see what that brings. Arguing over a book/unit that isn't even going to be legal at the event is sort of pointless.
Then why is it being banned for the same reasons? Could the fact that the Stompa was copied as is from Escalation to the Ork codex be the reason?
NecronLord3 wrote: Then why is it being banned for the same reasons? Could the fact that the Stompa was copied as is from Escalation to the Ork codex be the reason?
I don't think anymore can really be said that has not been said already. While free promotion is all great - would you submit any additional input on this particular model to info@adepticon.org?
NecronLord3 wrote: Then why is it being banned for the same reasons? Could the fact that the Stompa was copied as is from Escalation to the Ork codex be the reason?
I don't think anymore can really be said that has not been said already. While free promotion is all great - would you submit any additional input on this particular model to info@adepticon.org?
We are still sorting out all the Alt format 40K events and how they work with the schedule. But considering we have had a "Gladiator Style" event pretty much every year of AdeptiCon. I imagine it is a safe bet it will be on the final schedule.
Sharpen your axe and spear, oil your leathers, polish your mail, and steel yourself for combat, for the season of war is upon you! The muster cry goes out, the beacons are lit, and a hundred banners are raised. As winter’s last frost gives way to spring’s thaw, the warlord gathers his retinue, for he knows that the time has come to claim that treasure which he values most of all...glory!
AdeptiCon, in partnership with Studio Tomahawk and Gripping Beast, is excited to announce that AdeptiCon 2015 will host the inaugural US SAGA Grand Melee! Pit your warlord and his band against all challengers in this epic two day event!
A clash of this magnitude shall be well-served in AdeptiCon's new and larger location in Schaumburg, Illinois. With thousands of square feet for gaming and hobby activities, 2015 promises to be the largest and most exciting AdeptiCon yet, bolstered by the first ever US SAGA Grand Melee!
The US Grand Melee will follow a format similar to the UK events, with 6-point games played over two days (participants will have the option to play one or two days). More detailed rules, other events and schedules will be posted on the AdeptiCon website as they become available. Look for AdeptiCon 2015 registration to open early November. If you have any questions or comments, please get in touch!
Games & Gears to Produce Exclusive AdeptiCon Items!
LONDON, United Kingdom, September 30 2014 - Games & Gears has announced a new partnership with AdeptiCon - one of the world’s largest miniature war gaming conventions - where Games & Gears will be a sponsor of the AdeptiCon Hobby Event Area. Additionally, Games & Gears will be manufacturing an exclusive and unique terrain piece as well as a set of Collector's Series brushes for AdeptiCon.
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It is a honor to be manufacturing some great products exclusive to one of the world’s largest table top war gaming conventions. The AdeptiCon terrain piece is going to be epic and we cannot wait to reveal it. We also cannot wait to manufacture AdeptiCon's very own Xtreme Brush Collector’s Edition Set. There is a lot we will be working on together, and as an avid miniature war gamer myself, AdeptiCon is a great home to be playing miniature war games. I look forward to the non-stop gaming at AdeptiCon 2015. We hope to see you there!
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We are excited to welcome Games & Gears as a Hobby Event Area sponsor for AdeptiCon 2015. Games & Gears, a leading supplier of high quality hobby materials, is a great addition to the convention and the alliance allows AdeptiCon to offer attendees first hand access to an even wider range of cool hobby products. Games & Gears sponsorship of the AdeptiCon Hobby Area provides our attendees an opportunity to have a well-equipped, comfortable hobby space that includes paint brushes, cutting mats, hobby tools, and paint and brush racks. This partnership coupled with our existing relationships with war game industry leading companies is going to make for an amazing AdeptiCon 2015.
AdeptiCon will be held March 19th through the 22nd and will be moving to an all-new venue: the Renaissance Schaumburg Convention Center! With over 160,000 square feet of combined ballroom and convention space.
What happens when you more than double your event space and have over 120,000 square feet to fill? Well, for starters, you make a lot more terrain, of course!
A wide variety of terrain efforts are already underway this year for AdeptiCon’s ever-expanding range of games and hobby events. For one terrain project in particular, the good folks at Mantic Games have supplied our crew with a massive amount of Deadzone sprues! Exactly how massive, you ask? How about 1,018 individual sprues!
With the sprues now in hand, the hard work of integrating this great terrain into AdeptiCon’s wide range of games falls to the convention’s Terrain Staff. Staring down a thousand sprues can be a bit intimidating. Fortunately, these skilled veterans are no strangers to building amounts of terrain that others would consider insane.
Of course, the question becomes: what do we build with all these sprues? Our staff is busy working on ideas as we speak. However, if you have any terrain piece concepts or ideas that could be realized using the Mantic Deadzone sprues, please let us know. We are constantly looking for new terrain ideas and, who knows, it may make it onto one of our 300+ terrain tables!
We also have enlisted the help and experience of Mel over at The Terrain Tutor to assist with some terrain concepts for unprecedented project. Mel already has extensive firsthand experience with the Deadzone sprues. You can see some of his work over on his YouTube channel. And, as always, stay tuned for more news and info.
Darkness wrote: Got my rooms! I am super anxious to check this venue out! @thehod
What's iron man?
The Iron Man used to be the award for the person who did the best in all 3 events combined (Gladiator, Team Tournament & Championships)...which also meant that player was playing some insane amount of games over, what was then, a 3-day period.
Darkness wrote: Got my rooms! I am super anxious to check this venue out! @thehod
What's iron man?
The Iron Man used to be the award for the person who did the best in all 3 events combined (Gladiator, Team Tournament & Championships)...which also meant that player was playing some insane amount of games over, what was then, a 3-day period.
like a tournament within a tournament?
+1 the return of that award!
The experimentation and refinement of the AdeptiCon 2015 Warhammer 40K offerings continues! We are currently in the process of reviewing our ever-evolving tournament formats in order to provide an engaging gaming experience no matter what your preferred style might be! Beginning Thursday, and continuing throughout the weekend, attendees will have the option to participate in 400-point games, 3000-point games, squad-level games, single day events, multi-day events, draft tournaments, single-player tournaments, team tournaments, and more!
Below you will find the draft army construction rules for a new event we are calling the Warhammer 40K Classic. The Warhammer 40K Classic is a single source tournament designed to recreate the feel and flavor of Warhammer 40,000 in days gone by. Players will construct their armies using a single Combined Arms Detachment and pit them against their opponent in scenarios reminiscent of the game’s 3rd, 4th, and 5th editions.
The Warhammer 40K Classic will take place on Thursday alongside the Warhammer 40K Championship and Warhammer 40K Exterminatus. As always, we are looking for constructive feedback concerning this format. If you have any questions or comments, please get in touch!
This weekend “GameTown” in New Berlin, WI hosted the first Warhammer 40K Championship primer! The goal of the event was to put the AdeptiCon 2015 Warhammer 40K Tactical Objectives and some sample Maelstrom missions through their paces. The Warhammer 40K Championship and other events will likely utilize a mixture of Maelstrom and Traditional objective missions, but this event focused exclusively on testing the Maelstrom missions. 16 players slugged it out over three rounds and at the end of the day, Tim Schmidt dealt the killing strike. He claimed victory and a free Weekend Badge to AdeptiCon 2015!
@iNcontrol - They are contacting people on the list as rooms open up in the block.
As mentioned, we have filled both the convention hotel and alternate hotel blocks. We have a number of other hotels in the area and we are working to secure additional stay options prior to registration going live. Should have an update shortly.
Is Adepticon really planning on using Malestrom of War for all the missions in the Championships? Is there a reason for this? Even if you love those types of missions, they are only half of what is in the book.
I am very hesitant to travel all the way to Adepticon and play in a tournament where winning ever game is dependent on what cards I draw.
extrenm(54) wrote: Is Adepticon really planning on using Malestrom of War for all the missions in the Championships? Is there a reason for this? Even if you love those types of missions, they are only half of what is in the book.
I am very hesitant to travel all the way to Adepticon and play in a tournament where winning ever game is dependent on what cards I draw.
I believe the plan is to have an even split between their modified maelstrom missions and those equivilant to the standard eternal war missions, so you get 50/50 of each.
Adepticon has always been able to provide a good mix of things as well as pretty decent scenerios. Ask around if you havent been yourself to see that its been a quality tournment over the years.
extrenm(54) wrote: Is Adepticon really planning on using Malestrom of War for all the missions in the Championships? Is there a reason for this? Even if you love those types of missions, they are only half of what is in the book.
I am very hesitant to travel all the way to Adepticon and play in a tournament where winning ever game is dependent on what cards I draw.
From the original post, red for clarity:
This weekend “GameTown” in New Berlin, WI hosted the first Warhammer 40K Championship primer! The goal of the event was to put the AdeptiCon 2015 Warhammer 40K Tactical Objectives and some sample Maelstrom missions through their paces. The Warhammer 40K Championship and other events will likely utilize a mixture of Maelstrom and Traditional objective missions, but this event focused exclusively on testing the Maelstrom missions. 16 players slugged it out over three rounds and at the end of the day, Tim Schmidt dealt the killing strike. He claimed victory and a free Weekend Badge to AdeptiCon 2015!
We are also producing a custom Tactical Objectives deck for the convention which will be used in some, but not all, of the games. A link to those is in the original post.
Still not understanding why the Transcendent C'tan is being excluded from the champs now that there is an event for people wishing to play without allies, LoW etc. feast of Blades showed us that the T. C'tan couldn't be that good since no one took it, and LoW costing near 1000 points don't auto win games and can be countered.
NecronLord3 wrote: Still not understanding why the Transcendent C'tan is being excluded from the champs now that there is an event for people wishing to play without allies, LoW etc. feast of Blades showed us that the T. C'tan couldn't be that good since no one took it, and LoW costing near 1000 points don't auto win games and can be countered.
C'Tan not showing up says nothing about its power level. Most people don't play LOW and as such don't own one, and may not buy one for an event, nor do all people play crons. So for a mid sized event, it is not clear that the reason it did not show up being that it is not powerful. Reports from the NOVA team event all seem to indicate it is super powerful, when it is actually used.
The Transcendent C'Tan was used in the 50+ person NOVA Narrative (which included numerous highly competitive players // pairings based upon competitive level, so the C'Tan was paired off against things like Revenants and other super heavies). Attendees widely hated it, and frankly superheavies / gargantuans in general. Nobody wanted to play against it, and the player who brought it ended up doing intentionally silly things with it to try and keep his games more enjoyable.
The Transcendent C'Tan was used in the 40 person Trios event (Which includes standard 1v1 games and paired 2v2 games ... the C'tan only was allowed / legally workable in the 1v1s, so they were basically standard tournament games with competitive players), and was widely hated again. In several games, it solo'ed 2000 point armies by itself.
The C'Tan was legal in the 32-person (is that right?) Feast of Blades and didn't win, but I have no other information than that. I don't even know if someone took it. There are a probably plenty of other similar sized, larger, and smaller events to those listed here where it's been used .... would be good to hear what the feedback was from those.
It's an extremely unpleasant model to deal with on the tableteop, and goes beyond something like Adamantine Lance or a Revenant ... it really is quite capable of tabling entire armies without taking any damage, in a very big hurry. I give kudos to AdeptiCon for disallowing it, and don't plan on allowing it in anything at NOVA next year after 90+ players more or less said "screw that stupid thing, nobody had any fun with it."
Edit -
Whether or not a model wins a tournament is not really the relevant point. The question is more how does a certain model / formation / unit style / whatever do tournament-wide, and what's the response from people in playing against it. Tony K won NOVA Open's GT this year with a serpent-heavy list ... but didn't run into several hard counters, and in the final when he DID run into an almost auto-win hard counter, his opponent failed to get any of the psychic powers he needed on bunches of rolls. Not a knock on Tony, but the point is that just because a certain list doesn't "win" an event (big or small) doesn't mean the list is bad, so it's a rather valueless data point. It's better to hear what the feedback tournament-wide is on a controversial unit. This is more valuable to a convention like AdeptiCon (IMO of course) than someone theoryhammering about how to counter a unit or pointing out that it didn't win a GT.
Leth wrote: Indeed, if your army has a way to deal with the c'tan its not too bad.
The problem is if you dont have that answer it WILL not be fun and will wreck your day.
This is not about the model, this is about people attending having a fun time and not seeing that one model and just hating it.
I have problems with flyer armies. My army doesn't have a good flyer of it's own, and no in built AA. Flyers should be banned because since I don't have an answer to them it will not be fun and will wreck my day.
Not that I have ever played against the T-C'tan, but the argument for banning something is a bit underwhelming in my opinion. Now it might be broken, but so are serpent shields, and a hundred other things in this game.
In my opinion, all LoW should be allowed, or banned, no half measures. An all Knights army is a bit ruff, and is not fun to play against, is that banned? Sure it has a hard counter of flyers, but then it isn't fun for the Knight player. Where is the line for "fun" for the players drawn?
I think like a competative player and see them as an interesting challenge. However I would argue most attendies are just looking to have a good time and play games against new people. The prizes are insignificant compared to the cost to attend. For the cost of a lot of GT'sSo its more about the social experience and the gaming.
Well MVbrant posted his numbers above and a majority of those people did not enjoy seeing those things, not seeing the same unanimous dislike for other things. That people do not have significant problems with most of them, in fact many of them are over pointed. This is not a matter of black and white. They are working within the grey and trying to bring in the most units and diversity while also keeping the most people happy.
But hey, if YOU want to invest the money into and take the risks that these TO's are taking financially then feel free to demand your rules. Until then I let the TO's TO and, while offering suggestions, I don't pretend that my way is right nor do I give them crap for their decisions. If I dont like it, I dont attend. However very rarely is the comp restrictions enough to make me not go. I might not like it because I don't get to bring a specific toy, but I can still make a list quite easily that will do just as well.
This is an event allowing 6+ Knight Titans (points allowing), Revenant Titan, all favors of Baneblades, Tyranid MCs, Daemon MCs, there is plenty of not fun games to be had by all, or a lot of fun of the rules are allowed as is, minis unbound BS. The championships are meant to showcase the best lists available without a ban list. If you don't want to play that game, there are other events available. Allowing the C'tan in a Titan centric event, will not making it a valid option. In the champs he is. None of these ridiculous units have any place in the classic or team tournament.
NecronLord3 wrote: The championships are meant to showcase the best lists available without a ban list.
I'm almost certain the TOs would not agree with you on the purpose of the championships.
NecronLord3 wrote: If you don't want to play that game, there are other events available.
If you don't like the champs, there are other events for you.
No event is 100% of what anyone wants. TOs have to create a slate of events (given their very finite resources) that is the most appealing to the most people. The weight of the evidence for that comes down hard against the C'tan in virtually any format.
Um no. In a Titan only event where it is being shot with multiple D. Weapon blasts, it takes 1 roll of a six and the C'tan is deleted from the game, with no saves and no additional army to back it up. In a game of 40k C'tan delete Knight Titans but you have multiples and the rest of your army to win you the game or just take the hard counters that kill C'tan like Devestators, drop pod melta, webway insertion squads, and thunder wolf Calvary. Revenant vs. C'tan is a fair fight. Revenant without C'tan is a lot of butt hurt opponents.
NecronLord3 wrote: The championships are meant to showcase the best lists available without a ban list.
NecronLord - that is your opinion. The championships over the years has had many limits (primarily FW produced items). This another evolution.
GW has given organizers an open book. Each event will have different "bans" unless an event basically runs Exterminatus. As others have alluded to, there are financial considerations for the convention where you do not take a flag ship event and cripple attendance potential by making it "not fun". The majority opinion out there is the T-C'tan is "not fun". Ruining the experience for this or future years over one model at this point is not worth the risk. AdeptiCon is in an unique position to allow the 40K Exterminatus, Championships or Throwback events to grow as player demand indicates. If Exterminatus proves to be the way everyone wants, the event will naturally grow. If it is not, then the event will find it's niche and be a stable contributor to the offerings or be replaced.
I point you to an article that provides a solid basis for handling bans:
Great example to give. Now if it was equally applied to every other example in 40k where a unit is 10 times better than anything else in the game, that would be acceptable. How about the Eldar codex being banned because it is 10 times better than any other codex? Or Imperial knights since an allied Knight is included in most tournament top army lists? The C'tan is very beatable if players know what to expect. However Necrons are hard pressed to beat codexes like Eldar, Tau and 5+ Imp. Knights when handicapped by not allowing the C'tan.
Tournament attendance being low is not an argument against the C'tan as attendance is equally low at events allowing LoW as those not allowing it. 7th edition and all the available shenanigans plus TO's running the events is making attendance low, not the threat of one unit in the game.
Accurate - Necrons are considered currently one of the top codices for tournament play, primarily because their popular build is a fairly hard counter to most of the other top armies.
bs. Tau crush necrons. It's their worst matchup. Tau wreck CCB especially when TOs won't let it use it's 3++ save and IC status.
How many Necron players have won a major GT in 7th edition? How about made top 3? Top 5? Best I know of was 7th place. Wave serpent spam and multiple Knight armies are not beaten by Necrons. At best Necrons allie well with some one and do okay. They will not be competing at all when Revenent Titans, Bane blades, and GCs are allowed unless the new codex is a miracle and not a nerf like every other 7th edition book.
Happy this is going to be my 5th adepticon in a row. Every year the TO's do make it fun and worth coming back.
Per the on going debate towards T C'tan, I played at feast, there wasn't one played outta 2-3 total Cron players. It wasn't the fact that it wasn't brought, it was the fact that there weren't more cron players or players all together. This year was 16 tables, so 32 people. That what roughly the average gaming con gets here in Feb, and sometimes in September. Prior 2 years its been at least 100 people, to which i would be certain someone would have brought one. Maybe the Cron players this year were being kind enough to not be that douchebag who shows up with something that a lot of armies struggle with regardless of it has a good counter to it. Might have been because qualifiers didn't allow LoW and Finals did. Good players know when something is overpowered and have been speaking up about it since its release, Good TO's agree with those players. Its not a minority that dislike it, its a pretty big majority. If people want to play against it, they will play like Sparks said in a form of Exterminatus where everything goes.
I've played Crons and have beaten Serpent spam and Tau. I've done it against what I feel are damn good players and all without the Tran C'tan. I knew how to work terrain to my benefit and whatnot to beat both. Not to be rude, but the way you claim Crons can't compete against Eldar and Tau and Knights, is coming off as you don't know how to play Crons or at least use them to what potential they have. Hell, someone brought a Warhound to FoB, played against one of the cron players and had it knocked down to 2 hullpoints thanks to 2 outflanking Ghostarks.
I know how to play them fine, I've played Necrons for 13 years. Necrons have an uphill battle against Tau. The only way you an outflank ghost arks is a lucky warlord trait roll. That's luck, not strategy. The fact is going against the proposed allowed LoW Necrons aren't going to be able to compete when the best we have is a Tesseract Vault. Or we will be relegated to an Ally choice.
Every army is going to be able to bring its best, except Necrons. Revenant Titans and Imperial Knights will dominate the event.
this guy was on the FLG forums arguing vs everyone as well. he was also arguing that the CCB should get a 3+ invul.. the barge itself mind you. He didn't budge and wouldn't listen to anyone.. funny to see him doing it here too -.-
NecronLord3 wrote: bs. Tau crush necrons. It's their worst matchup. Tau wreck CCB especially when TOs won't let it use it's 3++ save and IC status.
It's always nice when you're watching an already-ridiculous argument take place, and one of the parties involved says something so ridiculous that you can just completely check out and stop taking them seriously.
I mean, I think we're all a little biased towards our favorite army, but...wow.
I am also wonder if Titanicus is getting changed at all. Was awesome to watch it last year even though nothing exploded when i was there. And with more Knight becoming available via FW, will they be included if taken in a formation to make them competitive against the big boys?
If you have a CAD already for this event and you want to take the Dark Eldar Coven suppliment what is the suppliment treated as? A formation, special detachment, hell a data slate I dont know!
Yes! I have seen 4 events so far: Zone Mortalis, Strike Team a tournament and a narrative event game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Registration Opening Soon! We are busy putting the final touches on the schedule for AdeptiCon 2015 and it is shaping up to be another fantastic year! Not only do we have a great new location, but we will also be utilizing a new registration system, one that should alleviate the congestion issues of the past and give you more control over your registration experience.
The full schedule should be completed by Friday, November 14th and will be made public in advance to give you time to plan your convention weekend.
Registration will begin on Monday, November 24th at 8PM CST. Last year, our most popular events sold out within hours, so act quickly to reserve your spot in the events of your choice!
Adrift in a Sea of Drafts! Warhammer Fantasy Draft Event Rules Below you will find several draft event rules for consumption and feedback. Please keep in mind these are still drafts, and while they have been through countless revisions and proofing, they are most likely not the absolute/final versions. Additionally, new army books, FAQs documents and the like in the months leading up to the event could require changes to the following rules. We are currently looking for feedback, most particularly in the realm of clarity.
Warhammer 40K Draft Event Rules It has been a little over a month since the last round of Warhammer 40K draft rules were circulated and since then we have expanded the scope of our Warhammer 40K offerings and made a few minor changes to the existing events. In particular, pay attention to the Lords of War restrictions in the Warhammer 40K Championship. Additionally, you will also find a new set of draft rules for the Warhammer 40K Exterminatus event, which rounds off the trio of events offered on Thursday.
US SAGA Grand Melee Draft Rules AdeptiCon, in partnership with Studio Tomahawk and Gripping Beast, will be hosting the inaugural US SAGA Grand Melee! Below you will find the preliminary draft rules for this event as well as a custom scenario. Please keep in mind this is still a draft, and while it has been through countless revisions and proofing, it is most likely not the absolute/final version. Ready your warlord and his band against all challengers in this epic two day event!
After seeing the new fantasy tournments im even more bummed I wont be able to attend any of the events this year. I love the idea of the rodge podge tournment
I think adepticons goal was to tone down what super heavies/lords of war we'd see, but to allow some as they feel that's the way the game is moving (most are accepting of our superheavy walker friends, imperial knights, for example).
Revenant isn't allowed, Tranny C'tan isnt allowed at this level (there's no way to take his mandatory weapons and be under 610), etc. There are still some rough ones (certain baneblade variants, tessaract labyrinth, etc) but this brings it much closer to earth than the previous. Thumbs up for hearing the feedback
I guess. It would be really cool to see some choices in the CAD selection.
Like
1 Primary
1 Ally
Any Number of Formations
Any Number of Dataslates
Everything is unique 0-1
or
2 CAD
Some armies like Chaos Daemons etc.. don't get access to special fun formations. Same with Necrons and other armies , meanwhile you have Space Marines who can
1
Whitescars
2
Greyknights
3
Adamantine Lance
4
Space Wolf Drop Pods
5
Ninja assassin Formation
etc.. etc..
It's pretty fair though, and cool, but it'd be cooler if there was more embracement of what 7th let you do. I only ask because our group follows Adepticon for our stuff, it's been frustrating.
Target wrote: I think adepticons goal was to tone down what super heavies/lords of war we'd see, but to allow some as they feel that's the way the game is moving (most are accepting of our superheavy walker friends, imperial knights, for example).
Revenant isn't allowed, Tranny C'tan isnt allowed at this level (there's no way to take his mandatory weapons and be under 610), etc. There are still some rough ones (certain baneblade variants, tessaract labyrinth, etc) but this brings it much closer to earth than the previous. Thumbs up for hearing the feedback
The Transcendent C'tan can be taken in the champs. Cosmic fire x2 and either Storm of Heavenly Fire or Seismic Shockwave both clock in under 610 points.
Target wrote: I think adepticons goal was to tone down what super heavies/lords of war we'd see, but to allow some as they feel that's the way the game is moving (most are accepting of our superheavy walker friends, imperial knights, for example).
Revenant isn't allowed, Tranny C'tan isnt allowed at this level (there's no way to take his mandatory weapons and be under 610), etc. There are still some rough ones (certain baneblade variants, tessaract labyrinth, etc) but this brings it much closer to earth than the previous. Thumbs up for hearing the feedback
The Transcendent C'tan can be taken in the champs. Cosmic fire x2 and either Storm of Heavenly Fire or Seismic Shockwave both clock in under 610 points.
Interesting, I've always seen that played and interpreted as you can only take each once, not duplicates.
The Tesseract Vault explicitly prohibits taking 2 duplicate powers. The Transcendent C'tan's entry lacks the explicity prohibition, so it can be interpreted (and argued as RAI) that you can take 2 identical powers.
Well of course. That said the actual event moved up a month and the tickets go on sale in 2 weeks. And it's a lot of prep for a cohesive army to be done right
Additionally a schedule would be good to see to before everything goes live. I'm sorely tempted to do something other than 40k this year for either Thursday or Friday
144 events entered today. About 100 more to go. Preview cart goes live on the 14th. There will not be any need to setup an account ahead of time. All you have to is enter your First Name, Last Name and email address when registering. You will also be able to add 'guests' and purchase badges, tickets and the like for others. Day badges will be available. We are also compiling a few event 'tracks' that will allow you to register for multiple events at once. Tracks will only be available to attendees purchasing a full Weekend Badge.
Guys, hang tight it is all in the works, as Matthias has indicated the full web cart will be ready for public viewing prior to the cart going live on the 24th. We have @300 event items for AdeptiCon 2015, a new venue, a new registration system, and web cart backend to take into account. Also keep in mind, previous years, for most of our events we have not published "rules" prior to the web cart going live but felt this year given the changes, for some events, it was warranted. All good things … in time. : )
muwhe wrote: Also keep in mind, previous years, for most of our events we have not published "rules" prior to the web cart going live but felt this year given the changes, for some events, it was warranted. All good things … in time. : )
Not to be snarky but we had an extra month the previous years that we don't have this year since it's in March Also I think I'm being very good since we're 2-3 weeks from when you originally said TT rules were coming that week
That said I'm sure we all understand that there is a huge amount of work going on. We're just being impatient and excited gamers.
Preview cart going live on the 14th sounds great! I don't remember there being something like that previously, should make it much easier for me to plan the events I'd like to register for
March has taken me by surprise too, but I think I'll be ready!
Event Schedule Now Available! Registration Opens Monday, November 24th!
We are busy putting the final touches on the schedule for AdeptiCon 2015 and it is shaping up to be another fantastic year!
It is impossible to cover everything in this update, so head on over to the AdeptiCon 2015 Webcart and see what events we have in store for you! The webcart is about 80% complete at this time. Please be aware that event days, event times and descriptions are all subject to change. A handful of new events will be added before registration begins – but this should give you a good starting point to begin planning your weekend!
When searching for events, make sure to use the Advanced Search feature in the Search for Events section to find specific events or to browse by a specific day.
Registration will begin on Monday, November 24th at 8PM CST. Last year, our most popular events sold out within hours, so act quickly to reserve your spot in the events of your choice!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And before you ask! I have a rough draft of the Warhammer 40K Team Tournament rules on my computer. Now that the reg cart is out of my hair, I'll polish them up this weekend and get it out.
Codices or supplements that are released prior to February 19th, 2015 will be allowed in this event. Apocalypse War Zone supplements, Apocalypse Formations, Forge World army lists and material from the Horus Heresy books WILL NOT be allowed in this event.
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AdeptiCon is back and it’s bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. And with it sees the return of the vaunted Hobby Seminars for 2015. This year’s line-up is unparalleled in the annals of hobby class history, with offerings by such maestros as Todd Swanson, Victoria Lamb , Jessica Rich, Patrick Keith, Meg Maples, Dave Taylor, and a whole host of award-winning and iconic painters, sculptors, and hobby gurus
So whether you are a complete novice with the brush, or a seasoned veteran of painting campaigns innumerable, AdeptiCon’s Hobby Seminar curricula has something for you. From painting faces to painting Titans, the choices are boundless.
In addition, AdeptiCon 2015 will introduce our first ever Hobby Lounge. The Lounge will provide space and paints for attendees to work on those last minute troops, or affect any necessary repairs to their armies. Want to be able to ask questions about those great YouTube tutorials you’ve been watching? The Lounge will also make available various products, generously provided by a multitude of sponsors including Games and Gears, Badger, Privateer Press, Secret Weapon, Reaper Miniatures, Vallejo . Smooth-On, Polymeric Systems, and Scale75 to name a few, to try out in person. You’ll probably also encounter D6 random Hobby Seminar instructors in the Lounge, so be sure to bring your WIP models and questions.
So please join us at the stunning new venue, which includes fantastic Hobby Seminar classrooms, for AdeptiCon 2015. We look forward to seeing you in March!
Thank you very much for posting these. The rules for this look great. They stay true to the heart of the team event while also allowing for the diversity that 7th edition brings. Can't wait for the tournament!
Since we switched registration systems this year, we put together a quick 15 min walkthrough so everyone is ready to register on Monday, November 24th at 8PM CST!
This video covers basic registration, selecting events, adding guests and modifying an existing registration. If you have any questions or concerns, please get in touch at info@adepticon.org.
The Captain Vs Captain twist is a really nice way to handle the Lords of War conundrum.
Unfortunately, the Sons of Shatner can't make it this year due to real life (one member has a new job with no vacation until May; another has a son getting braces and no benefits to cover it) getting in the way. Good luck to everyone!
Just to make sure and since English is not my native tongue, a team member can take a Knight and the team captain can also take one as a Lord of War. Is that it ?
Albator wrote: Just to make sure and since English is not my native tongue, a team member can take a Knight and the team captain can also take one as a Lord of War. Is that it ?
Albator,
There is a maximum one 1 knight per team. The Cerastus pattern Knights (the FW ones) are only being allowed only as Knights, not LOW.
Rooms at the Renaissance Schaumburg and the Embassy Suites Chicago sold out fast!
While we are still working directly with the Renaissance Schaumburg to collect and maintain a hotel wait list, we have arranged additional alternative accommodations at the SpringHill Suites Chicago Schaumburg hotel (a Marriott property), which is less than one mile from the convention center.
SpringHill Suites
1550 McConnor Parkway
Schaumburg, IL 60173
Phone: 847.995.1500
Room Rate: $121.00/night (Subject to Availability) – Book Now!!!
Mel Bose, the Terrain Tutor akong with our friends over at the Wargamers Consortium have been hard at work coming up with some design options for the massive horde of Deadzone sprues that Mantic has so generously provided to our terrain efforts this year.
Mel put together a series of videos to aid the AdeptiCon terrain efforts. Check them out here and get a little preview of some of the new builds that the AdeptiCon terrain team will be involved with this year.
The AdeptiCon terrain team has a lot on their plate this year. If you are interested in helping out with terrain builds and terrain weekends, get in touch!
Internet voting is tentatively scheduled to go live at 4:00 p.m. Saturday, March 21, and will be open for a minimum of 12 hours.
The Crystal Brush Awards ceremony will be held Sunday, March 22, at 2:00 p.m.
Entries may be picked up on Sunday from 9:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. If you need to collect your entry at an earlier or later time, please let Crystal Brush staff know at the time of submission, so that somebody with access to the cases will be present.
When submitting your entry, please include on the entry form, if at all possible, a phone number or e-mail at which you can be reached during the convention. We will try to notify winners so that they will know to be present at the award ceremony. If for some reason you are not able to attend, you can designate someone to accept your award for you.
Locations within the hotel for the entry submissions and for the award ceremony will be announced shortly.
2015 Crystal Brush rules and categories are available here.
Rooms at the Renaissance Schaumburg and the Embassy Suites Chicago sold out fast!
While we are still working directly with the Renaissance Schaumburg to collect and maintain a hotel wait list, we have arranged additional alternative accommodations at the SpringHill Suites Chicago Schaumburg hotel (a Marriott property), which is less than one mile from the convention center.
SpringHill Suites
1550 McConnor Parkway
Schaumburg, IL 60173
Phone: 847.995.1500
Room Rate: $121.00/night (Subject to Availability) – Book Now!!!
Ooh, thanks for that! I reserved for Wednesday night just in case (already booked at the main hotel for Thurs - Sun).
I'm not registering for any events as I am working hard on a product that I hope to launch / reveal at AdeptiCon! So that's one less person for you all to contend with tonight in the mad scramble to get tickets although I am looking forward to seeing you all there at the Con!
I have had a chance to play some games with the Adepticon missions primer and I have a few things to say.
I really like the format and think that overall the adepticon malestrom missions are a good way to play 7th edition 40k.
My main concern is how much time it takes to generate objectives. When added together for both players in a full length game this cost my opponent and I a lot of time. Using the cards will really help save time. Has Adepticon given any thought to selling/providing a deck?
Also, will the tournaments this year have longer rounds to accommodate this extra time? Having to generate new objectives, and re-evaluate the game every turn is very time consuming and I believe the tournament rounds need to be longer than in years past.
@extrenm(54) - Yes, this gives us an excuse to create a sweet custom deck for AdeptiCon 2015. Something we are definitely excited about! As for time, it is always a concern and something that we are looking at for those events that will be using these decks.
I have a couple of questions on Team Tournament rules:
1) It says Forgeoworld is unique and only 0-1 of each type is allowed.
Does that mean A or B implies?
A)for example I could have one unit of thudd guns and one unit of Vultures for example? Or just one unit like a extra heavy slot that is considered a forgeworld slot.
B)For example, If I wanted a Sicarian, I could only have one Sicarian and that is it. I could get any other forgeworld in our team.
2.) It says follow the Detachment under Force organization. Does that mean I can't take another detachment from a source? Such as Unleashed Great wolf or the great company for the spacewolf source, even if I could follow the force organization chart? Or does that mean, this is our detachment and this is what we have to stay in but can add the unique upgrades to the right to give it a little more flavor?
Wanting to basically understand if special detachments could get played is why.
Darkwynn wrote: I have a couple of questions on Team Tournament rules:
1) It says Forgeoworld is unique and only 0-1 of each type is allowed.
Does that mean A or B implies?
A)for example I could have one unit of thudd guns and one unit of Vultures for example? Or just one unit like a extra heavy slot that is considered a forgeworld slot.
B)For example, If I wanted a Sicarian, I could only have one Sicarian and that is it. I could get any other forgeworld in our team.
2.) It says follow the Detachment under Force organization. Does that mean I can't take another detachment from a source? Such as Unleashed Great wolf or the great company for the spacewolf source, even if I could follow the force organization chart? Or does that mean, this is our detachment and this is what we have to stay in but can add the unique upgrades to the right to give it a little more flavor?
Wanting to basically understand if special detachments could get played is why.
Thanks
Darkwynn,
1.) In the Team Tournament every FW unit is considered unique but players may include multiple different FW units in their lists as long as they have the points and slots available. However, if one player takes a unit of Thud Guns then no other player on that team may take another unit of Thud Guns.
2.) The Team Tournament detachment is the only legal detachment for the Team Tournament. Rules for other codex detachments are not allowed this year, even if you could mirror the TT force org chart. The major exception is that one player may "add" a formation (not codex detachment) to the slots presented and gain the additional rules for that formation as long as it fits into the points of the Team Tournament.
@Hulksmash - Yes, we are going to do event data collection as a separate process. We wanted to limit the amount of required data that folks had to enter given the time sensitive nature of registration. That and a lot of the time the information entered, changed or was "unknown".
Remedy4389 wrote: I have successfully stolen They Shall Know Fears team ticket. Anyone interested in joining the new and improved team let me know!
Lol Remedy . It was great being on a team with you, krootman and Ketara last year! Hulk warned me, but you really are the best sportsman I've ever seen playing 40K! Was really a pleasure . It looks like krootman has a team, do you as well?
For myself, I'll be focusing on getting my product ready to reveal at AdeptiCon . So, no events for now, just the VIG badge... not sure if that makes it easier to snag a late night event later if there's room in the schedule? Regardless, really looking forward to this, it is the highlight of my wargaming year whenever I'm able to make it! And this will be my third in four years
Remedy4389 wrote: I have successfully stolen They Shall Know Fears team ticket. Anyone interested in joining the new and improved team let me know!
Lol Remedy . It was great being on a team with you, krootman and Ketara last year! Hulk warned me, but you really are the best sportsman I've ever seen playing 40K! Was really a pleasure . It looks like krootman has a team, do you as well?
For myself, I'll be focusing on getting my product ready to reveal at AdeptiCon . So, no events for now, just the VIG badge... not sure if that makes it easier to snag a late night event later if there's room in the schedule? Regardless, really looking forward to this, it is the highlight of my wargaming year whenever I'm able to make it! And this will be my third in four years
It was awesome playing with you as well RiTides! Hulk and his team actually invited me to join there team so I will be playing with them this year. We will need to meet up and catch up over a beer!
Awesome, and I will take you up on that . Let's exchange phone #s closer to the event - last year a bunch of us used an app called GroupMe to coordinate our movements / meeting up times and places, and it worked really well!
I'll echo the "simple and (fairly) painless" comment. I was registering for both myself and another, and aside from some occasional lagging, things went quite smoothly. Good choice!
Now, if you wanted to really flatten out the registration issues, you'd separate the 40k events - run registration for everything ELSE first, and do the really big 40k events 24 hours later, by themselves. Or vice-versa.
It's a strange feeling, signing up for Adepticon and NOT for any 40k at all.
So many options. This year we're picking our armies in a simple fashion.
We're going to hang 16 pinatas around each person each filled with candy related to a specific codex. Blindfold all of us. And then play whack the donkey. Once we break one we'll take off the blind fold and find out what codex we're playing.
Then the captain is going to glue datasheets of applicable super heavies to a board and put it on the other side of a wall and throw a lawn dart over the wall to pick the superheavy.
For normal units we figure throwing darts at unit entries after being spun in a circle 6 times will suffice.
I am expecting a bit more synergy in your lists than that! Although maybe just in appearance, not necessarily codex/formation/etc selection. I think that's a big key with this edition of 40k... I don't mind facing something crazy, but hopefully it's something crazy that looks well themed! Still yet to see a good tyranid "knight" conversion, but mad props to the first person to do it
It'll be my 1st and a bit of a departure from my normal gaming experience as it'll be HH, in another country, without the Mrs. using mechanicum.
I'm signed up for the Geek Nation Tours and going to:
Horus Heresy Theatre of War Narrative 19-Mar-2015 11:00 AM Horus Heresy Tournament 20-Mar-2015 11:00 AM Horus Heresy Zone Mortalis Boarding Assault - The Scar of Cthonia 21-Mar-2015 10:00 AM Horus Heresy - Tactical Strike - Victory Is Vengeance 21-Mar-2015 5:00 PM
Now to paint 2000 points of Mechanicum up... (no knights, no titans, loads of robots)
It is a bit annoying though that there is not quite enough information available about each event. For example no link to rules packs or any indication on how to contact the person or people running the event should one have questions.
In order to include 2+ Relics of the Armoury in the primary detachment, IA 2 second edition states that a Space Wolves army must have a Rune Priest with the Saga of the Beast Slayer (p.243).
With the new SW codex, Sagas are now warlord traits and random and FW did not update or FAQ'ed this point yet...
Would a Rune Priest be enough in order to gain access to 2 Relics of the Armoury in the same detachment?
Also how selecting the Company of the Great Wolf formation affect the Force Organization Chart? is it still required to get the 1+ Troop?
I'm in no way affiliated with the tournament but I can probably answer the second question.
Company of the Great Wolf is a detachment. The TT has it's own detachments you take. You can take equipment from the Champions of Fenris book for your HQ but the detachment in no way affects the TT detachment which is simply:
1 HQ 0-1 Elite
1-3 Troop
0-1 Fast Attack
0-1 Heavy Support
thanks a lot,
meaning that only rules and wargears apply to the TT detachment but not the structure..
Since Champion of Fenris does not move Wolf Guards to Troop, i'm still stuck with the 1+ troop.
So everything pre-7th edition (Farsight, Iyanden..etc) is still valid as they refers to "army" but post 7th isn't (irk, GK, DE, SW....) as they refer to "detachment"....
looks a bit strange to me.
EDIT: by FAQ, Iyanden, Farsight Enclaves are not an army anymore but a detachment.... Interrestingly Black Legion is still an "army"....
The "Wolves Unleashed" is not a legal detachment for the Team Tournament. Every team member's army must utilize the team tournament detachment presented in the Team Tournament rules document (attached). Each team member may also include a single detachment "upgrade" from the list presented. No upgrade may be used by a team member more than once.
The "Wolves Unleashed" is not a legal detachment for the Team Tournament. Every team member's army must utilize the team tournament detachment presented in the Team Tournament rules document (attached). Each team member may also include a single detachment "upgrade" from the list presented. No upgrade may be used by a team member more than once.
i guess it extends to all detachments...
J
This is correct, one team member may utilize a "formation" such as Arjac's Shield Brothers as an upgrade to the normal Team Tournament Force Org, but alternate codex detachments (I.E. those with a variable FoC) may not be used.
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jul wrote: Rule questions for the Team Tournament:
In order to include 2+ Relics of the Armoury in the primary detachment, IA 2 second edition states that a Space Wolves army must have a Rune Priest with the Saga of the Beast Slayer (p.243).
With the new SW codex, Sagas are now warlord traits and random and FW did not update or FAQ'ed this point yet...
Would a Rune Priest be enough in order to gain access to 2 Relics of the Armoury in the same detachment?
J.
Here is a preview from the upcoming FAQ to answer this question:
A Space Wolves Rune Priest acting as a Keeper of Relics, as described on page 243 of Imperial Armour Volume 2, 2nd Edition, is not required to have the Saga of the Beast Slayer.
The "Wolves Unleashed" is not a legal detachment for the Team Tournament. Every team member's army must utilize the team tournament detachment presented in the Team Tournament rules document (attached). Each team member may also include a single detachment "upgrade" from the list presented. No upgrade may be used by a team member more than once.
i guess it extends to all detachments...
J
This is correct, one team member may utilize a "formation" such as Arjac's Shield Brothers as an upgrade to the normal Team Tournament Force Org, but alternate codex detachments (I.E. those with a variable FoC) may not be used.
Hi Chris,
just to make sure because my english reading must be weak today ... is the Grey Knight Strike Force Nemesis formation allowed ? Nothing changes place in the FoC ... just to make sure before ordering those models I still need.
The Grey Knight Nemesis Strike Force is a detachment not a formation, it'd fall under the same category as wolves unleashed or champions of fenris (not being allowed).
When he said variable force org it means a different one than the normal team tournament force org (which the nemesis strike force is, team tourney is 1 hq, 1-3 troop, 1 elite, 1 fa, 1 hs)
The "Wolves Unleashed" is not a legal detachment for the Team Tournament. Every team member's army must utilize the team tournament detachment presented in the Team Tournament rules document (attached). Each team member may also include a single detachment "upgrade" from the list presented. No upgrade may be used by a team member more than once.
i guess it extends to all detachments...
J
This is correct, one team member may utilize a "formation" such as Arjac's Shield Brothers as an upgrade to the normal Team Tournament Force Org, but alternate codex detachments (I.E. those with a variable FoC) may not be used.
Hi Chris,
just to make sure because my english reading must be weak today ... is the Grey Knight Strike Force Nemesis formation allowed ? Nothing changes place in the FoC ... just to make sure before ordering those models I still need.
Thanks,
Albator,
The Nemesis Strike Force is a Codex detachment and thereby is not legal for the Team Tournament.
A few points of clarification:
1.) A Codex Detachment is defined as any Force Organization chart presented in a codex or the Combined Arms detachment presented in the main rulebook. The "variable" reference here is that there are mandatory and optional choices presented in the FoC. The only FoC available in the Team Tournament is the FoC presented in the Team Tournament rules packet.
2.) A formation is defined as a detachment presented without any variable options. For example Arjac's Shield Brothers. You must take the specified units, no more no less. There are no optional choices available to the player. 1 player may select a formation as an additional upgrade to their Team Tournament FoC. The Mandatory choices for the Team Tournament FoC must still be fulfilled.
And FYI, there are subtle differences between a CAD and the Nemesis Strike Force, mainly 1 mandatory troop choice vs 2, and changes in the available optional Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy support.
Just signed up for the Infinity team tourney and Dropzone Commander tourney, woot . Still not totally sure how much time I will have, but figure I can decide on that later and I'd like to get in at least some gaming in both these systems
And by the way, if you want to find anything that Matthias (the guy posting missions, etc, in this thread), just go to any of his posts and to the left under his user profile click the 'filter thread' link. That will filter the thread to only show his posts, so you can then easily find all the link for PDFs that have been posted so far.
What tournaments are the Maelstrom of war cards planning to be used for? I have a team for the team tournament and we have some design/purchasing decisions to make based on if those cards are going to be used in the event?
Saw the Adepticon FAQ's are starting to go up! I assume there will be more relating to some of the specific questions brought up in this thread as it goes forward. Thanks for the hard work!
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Tempting to play some X-wing, but my Friday and Saturday are already booked, and I won't be landing in time for the Thursday start time. Still looking for something to slot into Sunday, and maybe one of the evenings (or Thurs afternoon).
RiTides wrote: Tempting to play some X-wing, but my Friday and Saturday are already booked, and I won't be landing in time for the Thursday start time. Still looking for something to slot into Sunday, and maybe one of the evenings (or Thurs afternoon).
Nyghoma wrote: Is there a summary of any new modifications to the 2014 amendments that reflect 2015 edits in the addendum?
I did a quick scan and nothing explicit nor imperative stood out.
Thanks in advance.
Sadly there were just too many little changes to stick to trying to color-code just the changes from last year's FAQ. Suffice to say, there are lots of changes if you get in there and look just based on new codexes, 7th edition hitting, etc.
Agree with Yak above, after reading it there are many little changes, and some of the changes are key ones which waffle between playgroups, so you'll want to check carefully.
For instance, adepticon is allowing the infiltrating character to confer infiltrate to a unit, some events do, some events don't. From the FAQ, they are using ruin levels (barrage), some events do, some events don't. They aren't allowing you to gain both psychic focus AND chaos psychic focus - etc etc.
Those sorts of nuances are the ones you won't want to get wrong/end up arguing at the table without realizing it was just ruled differently then you're used to here.
6. Models that were once historically supplied with smaller bases (e.g., older Terminators) are still legal models; although it is REQUIRED that you update them to the current base size for the applicable game system. Models that are supplied with two different types of bases (e.g., Chaos Daemons) must be fielded on the base type that is appropriate for the applicable game system (e.g., Chaos Daemons on square bases are NOT allowed in Warhammer 40K events).
So from the new model policy all Blood Angels and it looks like Necron players are going to be required to rebase their infantry models on 32mm bases to be used at Adepticon?
I could be behind the times, but my impression was that only a unit or two has been switched to 32mm thus far?
That rule was in place last year (and probably before that), too, and obviously specifically mentions terminators because otherwise those could be fielded on 25mm bases.
Well Blood Angels were historically supplied on 25mm bases but all of the range(save for special characters) available from GW has been switched to 32mm according to thier website. Now, some stores may still have 25mm versions, but I suspect somewhere you can still find Terminators as well on 25mm.
Paul - when you inquired about this via email the other day, I sent you the following:
Tactical Marines, Assault Troops, Necron Warriors, and Necron Lords are still supplied on both base types. The specific ruling regarding Terminators is a historical reference. A significant grace period (years) was allotted to players to update their collections. We anticipate taking a similar stance with these models once they reach a point at which they are exclusively supplied on 32mm bases.
Matthias wrote: Paul - when you inquired about this via email the other day, I sent you the following:
Tactical Marines, Assault Troops, Necron Warriors, and Necron Lords are still supplied on both base types. The specific ruling regarding Terminators is a historical reference. A significant grace period (years) was allotted to players to update their collections. We anticipate taking a similar stance with these models once they reach a point at which they are exclusively supplied on 32mm bases.
Maybe it went to your spam folder?
No, I am clear on the rule. But the model policy doesn't match what you conveyed to me in the email. For the general public I am thinking this should be made more specific.
I think that's a fair point, but your post above asks as if you don't know the official position (that a long grace period will be given to change to 32mm bases, i.e. "the foreseeable future"). I could see clarifying that, but putting in an exception would make the model rules longer.
For myself, I've gotten approval for all sorts of conversions, but I understand that the official document might need to be rather firm in case it needs to be enforced in egregious cases. But the staff have been awesome in every case I've seen allowing people to use their models - I think the model policy is mostly to set the standard / prevent abuse.
That is all you had to say. People ask for (and we attempt to implement) clarity all of the time. I can understand how it can be confusing seeing that wording is a several years old now Your original post made it sound like you never got our email reply. A simple 'Statement A doesn't jive with Statement B...what is up with that?' is all that is required and would even start onlookers down the path towards clarity instead of hysteria. We have no desire to make attending any more arduous than it already is.
Matthias wrote: That is all you had to say. People ask for (and we attempt to implement) clarity all of the time. I can understand how it can be confusing seeing that wording is a several years old now Your original post made it sound like you never got our email reply. A simple 'Statement A doesn't jive with Statement B...what is up with that?' is all that is required and would even start onlookers down the path towards clarity instead of hysteria. We have no desire to make attending any more arduous than it already is.
Where are you getting hysteria? I asked a specific question in regards to a very specific model vs. base size availability issue for models that are currently only available on 32mm and potentially the next release which may do the same.
I was alluding to the way your question was posed, combined with the disregard for the email response, and how it had the potential to send other people (the referenced onlookers) down a path a hysteria instead of clarity...suddenly thinking they need to rebase several models. It wasn't directed towards your question at all.
. I didn't realize you've had 4 venues, though, so this changing it must seem like old hat for those who have attended longer.
