Quarterdime wrote: Well, seeing as how there's no option to build Skarbrand... oh who am I kidding this has been a long time coming. Now the desperate masses will stop having to use balrogs, ultraforge (which is what I'd use) and that god-awful 3rd edition sculpt.
Now let's see the other 3!
I ordered one today and I'm really tempted to build it as Scarbrand. A pretty easy conversion I think.
To be honest I don't see such an endeavor as being worth it. Maybe if you buy 2 of them just for the extra one-handed axe, or cast your own copy of it, and then use the Zombie Dragon wings... Alright, but make sure you paint it up nice.
But two in the same army would look too "look, we're in matching poses!" which makes no sense for organic (or daemonic) creatures - it certainly doesn't look a very poseable model, short of a lot of green stuff and cutting :( For such a high price, GW could at least provide a better choice of limbs and heads etc.
The balanced-on-one-toe pose is also just asking to get broken the first time it's transported. But maybe it could be re-based with both soles flat on a pile of rocks (or bloody corpses ) as if about to push off for another charge?
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm hoping that if the two-handed axe gets rules for 40k its x2 strength, two-handed, with maybe armorbane to boot.
Sure, but only if you roll the corresponding D6 result on the Bloodthirster Ragewrath Table:
1-2 Wrath of Khorne. The Bloodthirster is a Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster. If you do not have a Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
3-4 Unfettered Fury. The Bloodthirster is a Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury. If you do not have a Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
5 Insensate Rage. The Bloodthirster is a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage. If you do not have a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
6 Kaldor Draigo. SURPRISE fethers! The Bloodthirster was destroyed in transit by Kaldor Draigo. Immediately deploy Kaldor Draigo via Deep Strike under the control of the opposing player. If you do not have a Kaldor Draigo model for your opponent to use your entire army is destroyed.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm hoping that if the two-handed axe gets rules for 40k its x2 strength, two-handed, with maybe armorbane to boot.
Nah, GWsMO would make it uwieldy, S+1, mastercrafted, monsterhunter (WD say its crafted to hunt down monsters).
By the way, the fantasy thirsters new stats dont change them from armybook thirsters, right? Just some minor weapon updates.
This is a question not a statement, because I dont really play fantasy.
Are the new profiles hot, or not?
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm hoping that if the two-handed axe gets rules for 40k its x2 strength, two-handed, with maybe armorbane to boot.
Nah, GWsMO would make it uwieldy, S+1, mastercrafted, monsterhunter (WD say its crafted to hunt down monsters).
By the way, the fantasy thirsters new stats dont change them from armybook thirsters, right? Just some minor weapon updates.
This is a question not a statement, because I dont really play fantasy.
Are the new profiles hot, or not?
New profiles are all the same. 10, 10, 6, 6, 5, 9, 6, 9.
Kirasu wrote: It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.
A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne
I don't have a problem with runes every where...I think it looks cool.
You forget that this demon is a fanatic killer who live to serve khorne...it is understandable to be this devoted.
Fanatics sit around and mark themself about their fanaticism ...example Christians fanatics with crosses all over or Latin gangster with the virgin on his back and jesus all over.
The yakuza gangster have tattoos all over to symbolise his devotion to the gang. The tribes of zomoa warriors ink themself for devotion and protection...this is very common among warrior and people who risk their lives in their carees like soldiers and gangsters, and I am surprise that you guys are making a fuss.
Who says the daemons even have a choice about the markings?
If I was an all powerful chaos god, I would put my initials on everything too.
Nice face you have there... put a giant "K" on it. Put one on your stomach too; every time you look down, I want you to remember who owns that gak.
angelofvengeance wrote: According to Mr Kirby @ GW they're a collectable- pah! who's going to transport them?! lol
Even though that logic fails, I'm still happy that aesthetic isn't being sacrificed for practicality. I know a lot of people are for it, but I'd rather buy something that looks expansive and natural than something that looks restrained and can fit in a box.
angelofvengeance wrote: According to Mr Kirby @ GW they're a collectable- pah! who's going to transport them?! lol
Even though that logic fails, I'm still happy that aesthetic isn't being sacrificed for practicality. I know a lot of people are for it, but I'd rather buy something that looks expansive and natural than something that looks restrained and can fit in a box.
Honestly, I myself have never seen symbols incorporated with wings on any other mini like that before. People are making a stink about it cause it's something different, and with the proper paint job they can look anywhere between subtle and explicit as the examples show. I see it as innovative, good on GW for thinking outside the box and not giving the 'thirster generic evil wings.
And especially for incorporating the undivided symbol too, it's a nice touch few god-specific minis seem to get. Helps tie them all together.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Honestly, I myself have never seen symbols incorporated with wings on any other mini like that before. People are making a stink about it cause it's something different, and with the proper paint job they can look anywhere between subtle and explicit as the examples show. I see it as innovative, good on GW for thinking outside the box and not giving the 'thirster generic evil wings.
And especially for incorporating the undivided symbol too, it's a nice touch few god-specific minis seem to get. Helps tie them all together.
It's not outside the box when it closely follows a standard that they've been applying to everything.
For a little perspective, imagine a modern American soldier with an American flag in the same places you see the symbol of Tau in this picture.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Honestly, I myself have never seen symbols incorporated with wings on any other mini like that before. People are making a stink about it cause it's something different, and with the proper paint job they can look anywhere between subtle and explicit as the examples show. I see it as innovative, good on GW for thinking outside the box and not giving the 'thirster generic evil wings.
And especially for incorporating the undivided symbol too, it's a nice touch few god-specific minis seem to get. Helps tie them all together.
It's not outside the box when it closely follows a standard that they've been applying to everything.
Spoiler:
For a little perspective, imagine a modern American soldier with an American flag in the same places you see the symbol of Tau in this picture.
Are we going to pretend that a Fireblade is a rank and file soldier?
And honestly, it's not that hard to imagine. You wouldn't see a "modern American soldier" wearing a cape, but it's not something unheard of to see soldiers with a flag on their torso and shoulder.
I don't think it was said, but the obvious reason the wings have runes strewn across them is for branding purposes. And not scar branding purposes (lulz). You can't use those wings on a PP mini for tournaments. And I'm sure you'd ruin the aesthetic of other minis, unless they're GW game conversions, with them plastered.
So by simply adding a bunch of stupid symbols everywhere, they kill the bits market. /conspiracy (but probably true given the metric ton of hammering on IP).
While it's an organic beast, I bet it's not bigger than most of the other big meanies it's size in equivalent metal/resin from a multitude of other manufacturers. Massive rip off and looks ungodly to transport for play purposes without a liberal use of magnets and consideration for brass rodding it to a base.
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah, okay fine. There's one on the belt buckle.
Doesn't change my point though. The Tau Empire isn't America or any modern nation.
Indeed its not. Its just another fantasy race based on anime concepts... In the case of GW its spammed to death with some feature... Skulls, runes... tau symbols. Point is spam is rarely a good design choice just a rather lazy one.
The stupid thing about the gigantic runes on the wings is that its going to be one of the main things you will constantly see on the model due to its position. For that price I want something more special, not something that needs hours of resculpting.
And sorry for those that are unable to understand the basic concept of different tastes.
Surpised there is so much banter over Khorne marking on a Khorne model.
I checked ebay, there are over a dozen alternate (unmarked) wings that'd work with this. With the help of some green stuff. $9-$24. The LOTR balrog wings, tyranid wings, dragon wings via gw are $11, balrog on gw $11....
You could trade or sell khornate wings easily on ebay/local game group....
scuzz_bucket wrote: Honestly, I myself have never seen symbols incorporated with wings on any other mini like that before. People are making a stink about it cause it's something different, and with the proper paint job they can look anywhere between subtle and explicit as the examples show. I see it as innovative, good on GW for thinking outside the box and not giving the 'thirster generic evil wings.
And especially for incorporating the undivided symbol too, it's a nice touch few god-specific minis seem to get. Helps tie them all together.
It's not outside the box when it closely follows a standard that they've been applying to everything.
Spoiler:
For a little perspective, imagine a modern American soldier with an American flag in the same places you see the symbol of Tau in this picture.
What I mean is the application of symbols/images in wing membranes.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Honestly, I myself have never seen symbols incorporated with wings on any other mini like that before.
Also, part of the appeal of Warhammer is the heroic aspect of the scuplts and imagery. You're right, any modern soldier would look ridiculous like that, but we're talking about heroic fantasy/sci-fi miniatures.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm hoping that if the two-handed axe gets rules for 40k its x2 strength, two-handed, with maybe armorbane to boot.
Sure, but only if you roll the corresponding D6 result on the Bloodthirster Ragewrath Table:
1-2 Wrath of Khorne. The Bloodthirster is a Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster. If you do not have a Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
3-4 Unfettered Fury. The Bloodthirster is a Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury. If you do not have a Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
5 Insensate Rage. The Bloodthirster is a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage. If you do not have a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage model the Bloodthirster is destroyed.
6 Kaldor Draigo. SURPRISE fethers! The Bloodthirster was destroyed in transit by Kaldor Draigo. Immediately deploy Kaldor Draigo via Deep Strike under the control of the opposing player. If you do not have a Kaldor Draigo model for your opponent to use your entire army is destroyed.
Theophony wrote: Creature casters new daemons should be ready.... Soonish, including this angry deamon
Not sure what retail will be, but solid resin, kickstarter was90CAD or approx $75.
Can't wait for that to ship because, unlike GWs one, the basic anatomy looks good. Also I love the idea that the weapon is organic as well instead of having to have chaos dwarves make weapons and armour for them.
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah, okay fine. There's one on the belt buckle.
Doesn't change my point though. The Tau Empire isn't America or any modern nation.
Indeed its not. Its just another fantasy race based on anime concepts... In the case of GW its spammed to death with some feature... Skulls, runes... tau symbols. Point is spam is rarely a good design choice just a rather lazy one.
The stupid thing about the gigantic runes on the wings is that its going to be one of the main things you will constantly see on the model due to its position. For that price I want something more special, not something that needs hours of resculpting.
And sorry for those that are unable to understand the basic concept of different tastes.
It is unfair to compare Tau to American GI. You should be comparing Tau made by GW games to super heroes from comic books. Like This.....
TheKbob wrote: I don't think it was said, but the obvious reason the wings have runes strewn across them is for branding purposes. And not scar branding purposes (lulz). You can't use those wings on a PP mini for tournaments. And I'm sure you'd ruin the aesthetic of other minis, unless they're GW game conversions, with them plastered.
So by simply adding a bunch of stupid symbols everywhere, they kill the bits market. /conspiracy (but probably true given the metric ton of hammering on IP).
Wait, the theory is that GW makes it impossible to flirt with players of other game systems, while making something so ugly the GW player need to go to third party wing dealers?
And thats the plan?
Well, because its GW, why not
About the size, the white dwarf give us a valuable hint: the hammer head of the flail is "made of two parts, each roughly the size of a Skaven Clanrat"
So there you have it
Theophony wrote: Creature casters new daemons should be ready.... Soonish, including this angry deamon
Not sure what retail will be, but solid resin, kickstarter was90CAD or approx $75.
Define "soonish". Because I've seen these designs floating about for a long time but no actual progress.
I'd like the Spider woman daemon but it seems like on of those projects where the models will take years to be delivered.
Sim-Life wrote: Define "soonish". Because I've seen these designs floating about for a long time but no actual progress.
I'd like the Spider woman daemon but it seems like on of those projects where the models will take years to be delivered.
I believe the last few head variants are being sculpted now.
Yeah I ordered all of the creature caster demons.. No reason to deal with either A) terrible and old GW casts or B) decent new casts with massive easily avoided flaws..
Sim-Life wrote: Define "soonish". Because I've seen these designs floating about for a long time but no actual progress.
I'd like the Spider woman daemon but it seems like on of those projects where the models will take years to be delivered.
I believe the last few head variants are being sculpted now.
Yeah, it and the spider woman were the first two casts done even before the kickstarter, so pics have been around for a while. He is finishing the last add ons and is getting back final prints now. They have not closed the PM yet, and will be unlocking everyone's pledge shortly to allow add ons. Not sure if they are still allowing people to join, they were for a long while. I'm sure thewarstore.com will probably carry these just like they carried his old models Ultraforge.
I hope to eventually get one, just for the fun of building and painting. Mine would probably get used in Kings of War though, seeing as how I have no GW Chaos army to speak of, and I'll probably be grabbing a Mantic Abyssal army.
Azreal13 wrote: Had the self same thought earlier - either it's something rubbish or something awesome I reckon!
IIRC, this week's pre-orders are for the new Khorne infantry dudes, (who are apparently on 40mm's & 5/box @ $heinouslyexpensive), and the final End Times book itself.
I doubt the new infantry unit is going to look that great... definitely not Blightkings levels of epic.
scuzz_bucket wrote: What I mean is the application of symbols/images in wing membranes.
Probably because having thick protruding fleshy bits on your membrane wings would suck, lol.
I just don't like the look of them, simple as that. If you stencilled on Khorne symbols I think it'd look better than the protruding fleshy icons.
I think having scars branded onto the wings makes it look hardcore, it's a bloodthirster afterall. Stenciling on a design would look like warpaint, not nearly as hardcore.
scuzz_bucket wrote: What I mean is the application of symbols/images in wing membranes.
Probably because having thick protruding fleshy bits on your membrane wings would suck, lol.
I just don't like the look of them, simple as that. If you stencilled on Khorne symbols I think it'd look better than the protruding fleshy icons.
I think having scars branded onto the wings makes it look hardcore, it's a bloodthirster afterall. Stenciling on a design would look like warpaint, not nearly as hardcore.
It depends how well you paint them. If you stencilled them on to get a hard edged icon in a darker colour but also outlined them with an airbrush using a brighter red or orange, you'd get a very cool glowing icon effect. Even if you didn't want a glowing icon you could stencil a hard edged scheme and then do a few blending layers which would look pretty cool. Just because you're stencilling a pattern doesn't mean it has to be a single flat colour.
At the end of the day I just don't like the raised icons on the wings. I love raised icons when it comes to Space Marine shoulder pads, they just aren't doing anything for me when placed on the wings. If they'd made them separate pieces that you have the option of gluing on, that would have been fine with me.
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
Especially how it's leaked. Companies hate product leaks because it takes away their ability to control how products are presented/unveiled. I can't imagine GW would choose to leak the blurry/overexposed/poorly cropped pictures we all know and hate.
I think the leaks are a consequence of production of all paper goods coming from China. They don't give a damn about GW's secrecy, which is why we've been seeing things popping up all over the place (plus seeing this End Times book on a Chinese website especially).
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
Especially how it's leaked. Companies hate product leaks because it takes away their ability to control how products are presented/unveiled. I can't imagine GW would choose to leak the blurry/overexposed/poorly cropped pictures we all know and hate.
They deliberately released finecast and called it perfection.
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
Especially how it's leaked. Companies hate product leaks because it takes away their ability to control how products are presented/unveiled. I can't imagine GW would choose to leak the blurry/overexposed/poorly cropped pictures we all know and hate.
They deliberately released finecast and called it perfection.
True. GW reminds me why nothing can be fool proof. Fools are too inventive.
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
I find it utterly plausible that they think they're doing viral marketing.
I do find it odd how often the first pics we get of a new white dwarf will be the contents section which is on the front cover. It would be no harder to just photograph the entire cover, but instead we often get just the contents section before the full cover. It did get the conspiracy theorist in me wondering if GW were intentionally leaking it. Though frequently all we get is obviously just some random dude in a store taking a shot with his camera phone after the store has gotten the shipment but before they are allowed to actually sell them.
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
I find it utterly plausible that they think they're doing viral marketing.
I do find it odd how often the first pics we get of a new white dwarf will be the contents section which is on the front cover. It would be no harder to just photograph the entire cover, but instead we often get just the contents section before the full cover. It did get the conspiracy theorist in me wondering if GW were intentionally leaking it. Though frequently all we get is obviously just some random dude in a store taking a shot with his camera phone after the store has gotten the shipment but before they are allowed to actually sell them.
I'm pretty certain they leak stuff deliberatly.
When Thanquol was released we had 3 different pictures of the model before any rules. Honestly, if you get the chance to take pictures, why would you NOT take one of the rules? And how often are points cost conveniantly cropped out?
Also, in the age of iPhones, how are pictures still so grainy and blurry?
migooo wrote: Strange that it's Tuesday and that there's no sign of new stuff. Just shows that things are leaked intentionally in my mind.
Don't buy it for a second. A company like GW doesn't leak their own stuff.
I find it utterly plausible that they think they're doing viral marketing.
I do find it odd how often the first pics we get of a new white dwarf will be the contents section which is on the front cover. It would be no harder to just photograph the entire cover, but instead we often get just the contents section before the full cover. It did get the conspiracy theorist in me wondering if GW were intentionally leaking it. Though frequently all we get is obviously just some random dude in a store taking a shot with his camera phone after the store has gotten the shipment but before they are allowed to actually sell them.
I'm pretty certain they leak stuff deliberatly.
When Thanquol was released we had 3 different pictures of the model before any rules. Honestly, if you get the chance to take pictures, why would you NOT take one of the rules? And how often are points cost conveniantly cropped out?
Also, in the age of iPhones, how are pictures still so grainy and blurry?
You know I find the way that GW are so secretive like some sort of Government top weapons Developer.
Really like the Skullreapers looks will probably get some to use as WE of some form or other. Not a massive fan of the Wrathmongers though I think that might be due to the paint job they've got, there just seem to be too much going on.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: Really like the Skullreapers looks will probably get some to use as WE of some form or other. Not a massive fan of the Wrathmongers though I think that might be due to the paint job they've got, there just seem to be too much going on.
While the weapons of both are okay, Im not fond of the heads or chest pieces of any of them. Skull ripped face is interesting
Those Skullreapers would fit in well with 40K... good thing fantasy might be switching to round bases.
(Wonder if there will be one main system called Warhammer where tau can fight skaven, and screaming bells get front, side and rear toughness values...)
"The Wrathmongers, muscle-bound brutes without sense of pride, honour and self-preservation..."
Ah, screw it, I hate nu-GW even more now.
Warhammer wiki wrote:However, though Khorne is the God of bloody slaughter, he is also the God of martial pride and honour, of those who set themselves against the most dangerous foes and earn victory against the odds. A devotee of Khorne is as likely to be an honourable champion in combat as a blood-crazed slaughterer.
Remember that part of your own background? No? Oh, because you drove away everyone who even had the slightest understanding of what the word "nuance" means and replaced them with plastic replicas of skulls. Khorne is now all rage, all the time
I guess...the chests and arms of the Wrathmongers are actually well done musculature wise and the Skullreapers gut plates have some cool designs. And I would like a detailed step-by-step for the red skin, but that's everything nice I have to say about that kit. What a wasted opportunity.
I like the Skull Reapers. not sure on the cheerleader dudes but I really like the Skull Reapers even if it's just something I'm thinking of using for 40k
Drat, I was hoping in a certain way that these wouldn't be all that cool and so I wouldn't have to pick them up. But they actually look almost perfect for one of the projects I've got going on, my truescale-ish baroque "Veterans of the Long War" Terminators:
nels1031 wrote:Potentially a lot, if a Gallagher event is anything to go by.
angelofvengeance wrote:
Nevelon wrote: Hammers on chains? Where is the blood in that?
You mean pounding someone to bits with a hammer on a chain won't be bloody?
Sure. yu can get blood if you really work it. But it’s a different splatter pattern then the axes we know and love. Plus the hammer might damage the skulls.
Sure. yu can get blood if you really work it. But it’s a different splatter pattern then the axes we know and love. Plus the hammer might damage the skulls.
You could convert them to have axes at the end of those chains for some fantasy chain-axes. Or, for the subtle 40K-touch, perhaps even chainaxes on chains.
Sure. yu can get blood if you really work it. But it’s a different splatter pattern then the axes we know and love. Plus the hammer might damage the skulls.
You could convert them to have axes at the end of those chains for some fantasy chain-axes. Or, for the subtle 40K-touch, perhaps even chainaxes on chains.
While I agree that the Wrathmongers would look better with axe heads on the end of their chains instead of the hammer heads, I personally couldn't do that conversion because it would make me think the models are just gakked up oversized dwarf doom seekers every time I looked at them.
IMHO I just don't like the jumbled aesthetics that GW uses these days. I don't see why they can't make units/models be thematic without making them cartoonish. Some of the components in these have a nice evil menancing lethality to them but they're mixed in alongside other bits that are downright silly.
I really, really, really like the (not new) Archaon model.
He's heavily armoured, brandishing a threatening looking fantasy weapon that also looks somewhat utilitarian and oozing a malevolent presence... A hulking gothic knight cum viking?
Why not?
On the other hand, these new infantry look a complete mess by comparison, comical anatomy meted to ridiculously overly ornate weapons and armour that are plagued with pointless detail.*
Bah!
I agree completely with those that point out these are perfect for 40k conversion fodder, the wrathmongers (haha!) only need arm swaps to look like great Chosen, Terminator, Obliterator stand ins.
*I know this has been said of other models before, especially in the past year or two but even I see it now!
But I can see the daemonic fury in them. Not 100% on all the skuplts, I hope there's some flexibility in them like with Glotkins, cause right now some of those pose's are just comical, although when have Daemons ever not been...
As for the Skull-alogory-manglers they also work okay, but the name, ugh.
As for both, if they're customisable enough and the Khorne isn't plastered everywhere, they would be good for Skaven Diaroma's, Dark Eldar Grotesques, and 40K Chaos Warband Units of various descriptions. From Terminator equivalents, Renegade Ogres, Daemon allies, to cultist army Chosen.
catharsix wrote: Drat, I was hoping in a certain way that these wouldn't be all that cool and so I wouldn't have to pick them up. But they actually look almost perfect for one of the projects I've got going on, my truescale-ish baroque "Veterans of the Long War" Terminators:
The baroque/daemonic decorative style of this armor looks like precisely what I can use...
Bingo - my first thought was 'I know some 40k modellers who are going to love these kits'
Looks like ultimately goofy standard builds but loads of potential bits for kitbashing. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the rules just aren't pimp enough to make dealing with the models as themselves overwhelmingly attractive. (That said, I suppose the Wrathmongers get a leg up with me for more interesting models as well as rules over the Skullwhatevers. Those other guys mostly just have cool weapons.)
catharsix wrote: Drat, I was hoping in a certain way that these wouldn't be all that cool and so I wouldn't have to pick them up. But they actually look almost perfect for one of the projects I've got going on, my truescale-ish baroque "Veterans of the Long War" Terminators:
The baroque/daemonic decorative style of this armor looks like precisely what I can use...
Do we know the price yet? $50-ish USD?
-C6
I was thinking of something similar (using the arms for bare armed truescale wolf scouts). It's hard to gauge exactly the size of those models (especially since I don't play fantasy) but they look bigger than normal guys. Is that base different? It looks like the square equivalent of a 40mm circular base which would put those guys roughly at the size of a 40k terminator. For my conversion purposes, I'll have to wait and see how the arms are moulded as it looks like they may be one piece with the chest instead of the more typical glue onto the torso.
I loved the blightkings and was expecting something very different. I must say that these minis are some of the worst I have seen from the industry this year. Horrible.
I like them, they will fit nicely in my Pathfinder campaign. I cant read German but are the flail guys skirmishers? I cant see how any of those models will rank and file.
warboss wrote: Is that base different? It looks like the square equivalent of a 40mm circular base which would put those guys roughly at the size of a 40k terminator. For my conversion purposes, I'll have to wait and see how the arms are moulded as it looks like they may be one piece with the chest instead of the more typical glue onto the torso.
I was thinking the same thing, they look bigger than a 25mm base. GW still has 40mm square bases, could Chaos Warriors have gotten a base size upgrade?
warboss wrote: Is that base different? It looks like the square equivalent of a 40mm circular base which would put those guys roughly at the size of a 40k terminator. For my conversion purposes, I'll have to wait and see how the arms are moulded as it looks like they may be one piece with the chest instead of the more typical glue onto the torso.
I was thinking the same thing, they look bigger than a 25mm base. GW still has 40mm square bases, could Chaos Warriors have gotten a base size upgrade?
All the Chaos Warriors in the background in the some of hte pictures are still on 25mm square bases.
catharsix wrote: Drat, I was hoping in a certain way that these wouldn't be all that cool and so I wouldn't have to pick them up. But they actually look almost perfect for one of the projects I've got going on, my truescale-ish baroque "Veterans of the Long War" Terminators:
The baroque/daemonic decorative style of this armor looks like precisely what I can use...
Bingo - my first thought was 'I know some 40k modellers who are going to love these kits'
Looks like ultimately goofy standard builds but loads of potential bits for kitbashing. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the rules just aren't pimp enough to make dealing with the models as themselves overwhelmingly attractive. (That said, I suppose the Wrathmongers get a leg up with me for more interesting models as well as rules over the Skullwhatevers. Those other guys mostly just have cool weapons.)
- Salvage
I actually share many people's general sense of derision for much of this kit - but the armor details are pretty cool, and some of the weapons and helmets are too. With the right amount of chopping and carving, I think this kit will provide a good amount of fodder for the converter, especially if you're very specifically Khorne. I wouldn't buy these to build them as they are by any stretch of the imagination though...
Not impressed...at all. Agree that the Blight Kings outshine these guys by a long shot.
Are we going to see a new Archaon model at some point...seeing as how the book is named after him and all. I like the current mounted version, but refuse to buy him in failcast...ebay wants way too much for a used metal one as well...
Fango wrote: Not impressed...at all. Agree that the Blight Kings outshine these guys by a long shot.
Are we going to see a new Archaon model at some point...seeing as how the book is named after him and all. I like the current mounted version, but refuse to buy him in failcast...ebay wants way too much for a used metal one as well...
Unlikely as his current old model has been pictured in the leaked End Times:Archaon book already.
streamdragon wrote: Apparently one of those dudes has been to the Mad Dok! Got himself a brand new Power Klaw! :rolleyes:
Also, second picture (sideways one), middle dudes looks like he's doing the YMCA.
Oddly enough, I'm actually excited about the "power klaw" one. I think that bit would be perfect for a Chaos version of Yarrick I've been wanting to build for my traitor guard.
The armor itself is not bad, albeit very decorated, but the weapons and banners and the insanely over the top heads push the envelope. They would look great with regular marauder heads and chaos axes/swords.
I feel like the Khorne art style GW is adhering to makes them look quite a bit like toys. (I know, the irony) whilst other chaos gods have a more "realistic" and model-like quality. Over-sized weapons and headgear tend to do that to figures. See Lego minifigures to see what I mean.
The quality of the detail however is amazing, and really gives me hope for upcoming releases. Can't wait for AdMech!
I'm going to come out and say it: I kinda like these. I think the small Khorne contingent of my Warriors/Legion may grow a bit beyond the 2 characters, Warrior regiment, and Bloodcrushers I currently have.
Never mind. My intention was to mock the models for their absurdity, but on second read it seems very possible to misread this as attacking someone else. Apologies.
Azreal13 wrote: I think we were due some new Khorne Bezerkers/World Eaters and somebody sent the email to the wrong sculptor.
There was some talk going around two or three years back about Chaos Ogres...I'm kind of thinking that's what the Blightkings/Khorne units started life as.
IMHO: Way better than expected.
I'm no fan of the "huge muscles"-thing (would prefer slimmer, tougher and faster looking warriors, more like human Bloodletters) - but overall they look kinda cool.
In fact, they are almost masterpieces compared to many of their butt ugly Khornate allies (Gorebeasts, Karanak, Skull Cannon of Khorne, Skulltaker, Blood Throne of Khorne, Soul Grinder, Daemon Prince, Furies, Slaughterbrute and Scyla Anfingrimm - which all look like Masters of the Universe-toys)...
Obviously not even close to the brilliant miniatures (Be'lakor, Archaon, Khorne Chaos Lord on Juggernaut, ...) of the range - but still solid midrange sculpts.
NAVARRO wrote: I loved the blightkings and was expecting something very different. I must say that these minis are some of the worst I have seen from the industry this year. Horrible.
Agreed. The poses alone are ridiculous, completely unnatural and extremely forced (perhaps because they had to be made to fit in the big bases).
Also the design clearly doesn't appeal to my taste at all, but that's a different matter.
Those wrathmongers are sure ugly looking. Those chains are just going to break off, too, I predict. The skullreapers look pretty cool, but I am less impressed with these models than I was with the Nurgle ones.
Those have to be some of the worst preview-painted models I have ever seen from games workshop, and that includes minotaurs.
Simple horrendous, have them taken back to the studio and redone, and choose a better paint scheme for crying out loud. It look like a simple wash and 3 highlights, no depth or real blending apart from the standard flesh to charcoal on the claw-man.
NAVARRO wrote: I loved the blightkings and was expecting something very different. I must say that these minis are some of the worst I have seen from the industry this year. Horrible.
Agreed. The poses alone are ridiculous, completely unnatural and extremely forced (perhaps because they had to be made to fit in the big bases).
Also the design clearly doesn't appeal to my taste at all, but that's a different matter.
As much of a fanboy i can be for GW, and while i feel the blightkings are better, 'some of the worst from the industry' is a little much. I think some of the details are cool, bloodletter mask, scorpion tail mutation, daemonic feet, and as many have said great potential for conversions.
Wow. I used to really love the "Frazetta" look of the Warriors of Chaos, but all of this oversized, over-ornamented, utterly impractical stuff has just killed my interest in Warhammer Fantasy Chaos stuff.
The warriors and knights had armor. Armor on the vulnerable bits of their bodies. These guys armor their legs, but not their heads or arms?
They make a weapon with a big heavy lump of metal on a chain. It's called a flail (or a morningstar). These are utterly stupid. Unless you stand there whirling around in a circle, how are you wielding two of these?
I just hate the fact that Chaos Warriors and Chaos Knights are now, effectively, the 'little guys' in a Chaos army. Not the hulking, terrifying brutes that brought the Empire to destruction, but the basic foot troops.
The more they escalate this setting, the less I care about it at all.
Not for their intended use, of course, that'd be silly, but, depending on how they go together, I really can see these working as the basis of some decent Marine conversions.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Sheesh, you people are blind. I feel bad for the designers who dare glance at these threads.
When they do good work, people are just as quick to say so. The Bloodthirster has received a stack of praise. So did Nagash, and (amongst those who don't mind the skull motif) his minions. Harlequins were liked by whole swathes of people. The Imperial Knight had people wetting themselves with excitement.
I liked the Bloodthirster, my own criticism was perhaps the overuse of the Khornate runes. Otherwise, the model itself is stellar and I hope to see it in some Daemon armies in the future.
By comparison, these Skullwrathers are pretty bad looking. I'm not sure wha happened (although I do like Mr. I'm-missing-the-front-of-my-face).
I'm surprised how negative people are about these. Especially about the "fleshy" parts. I think that's one of their best features because they are berserkers and makes them stand out from core chaos warriors. The poses are also a strong point like the guy swinging his sword horizontal.
Yeah I don't like them. The bare faces look badly sculpted, the "armour pants" look weirdly unbalanced and the poses all just look like they're dancing instead of fighting, the dude who is not dancing has his legs spread absurdly far apart (admittedly a problem with a lot of GW models, but still not excusable, it doesn't look like he could take a step forward without falling over).
There's nothing about these guys I like. Too much iconography, awkward lack of armor (I thought you couldn't take Chaos Armor off...?), silly weapons and even sillier poses.
Kinda makes me glad we didn't get a new Tzeentch unit...
Have the prices been revealed yet? I'm really wondering what they are going to put these at as far as a price-point. Same as Blightkings would make sense, but who knows, they might have to charge extra to pay for the folks that came up with the names...
Also, seems like these two will be in the same kit, dual-purpose.
Interested to see what the cost of the book will be as well. Looks like it is similar in size to Thanquol, so should be comparable.
I only feel the one unit with the arms straight up like he has pompoms is the only bad model. I dont get how people are so mad. They may not be blightking awesome but they are still pretty cool. Some heads do look goofy, but we have not seen the sprue so there could be other head options.
I also think more models need to go to 40mm bases. I hate 25mm infantry. If all your gonna do is glue them down and primer them then I guess its cool. (Its an Oregon thing, Ive only seen like 2 painted armys at my lfg) I like the idea of each model being a center piece though, and if this is the changes coming for 9th im in!
I like how Nurgle was sent in the second book and exhausted itself. And I also like how Tzeentch gets sacrifice to get a good Khorne boost. But even wih a Khorne boost, the grand finale had still all gods. So that's nice. Finally Archaon got a good showdown, on he deserves, not like the alternate.
Pretty cool skullreapers will go well as my third chosen unit.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Sheesh, you people are blind. I feel bad for the designers who dare glance at these threads.
Indeed we are blind... its the obfuscating light on our eyes from things like blood rage, conan and barbarian hordes from tre... Just to name a few this year in the same fantasy setting.
Definitely torn on these guys, some of the aesthetic works but they feel a bit too OTT for me.
Someone mentioned the 2nd ed Khorne metal sculpts earlier, they were right on the money imo aesthetically and feel-wise.
A slight upgrading of them would have been more welcome.
I too feel that the reception to these models seems unreasonable harsh.
Personally I'm certainly not bowled over and would not buy them even if I had a Khorne army, but calling them stuff like worst models ever feels like quite the hyperbole.
I do kinda like the bare heads. I feel they could be suitable for some pre-heresy World Eaters. What would you people say is the size of the heads. Are they comparable to the modern (slightly smaller) marine heads?
Mymearan wrote: $57? Jesus Christ, how much are the Wraithguard in $? 50, right? That's about the maximum I can stomach for 5x 40mm base models... God damn it...
While we don't know exactly how big they are, $57 is a bit below the most recent price level they set for 5x terminator sized figs.
That doesn't mean I agree with it or think it is a good price but at this point it isn't anything out of the ordinary. In a world were monopose characters with no customization start at $20 and hit almost $30 for a single crap fig, there are bigger fish to fry. :(
Ratius wrote: Definitely torn on these guys, some of the aesthetic works but they feel a bit too OTT for me.
Someone mentioned the 2nd ed Khorne metal sculpts earlier, they were right on the money imo aesthetically and feel-wise.
A slight upgrading of them would have been more welcome.
Spoiler:
If it was my mention you're referring to, I actually meant the Skull helmet, bare arm and leg Khorne Assault Marines. I apologise but I'm pressed for time and don't have a photo handy.
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
scuzz_bucket wrote: Sheesh, you people are blind. I feel bad for the designers who dare glance at these threads.
Indeed we are blind... its the obfuscating light on our eyes from things like blood rage, conan and barbarian hordes from tre... Just to name a few this year in the same fantasy setting.
Thats an unfair comparison though. Why not throw in Soda Pop miniatures as well, also good sculpts for there respected genre. Tre's models have always been more on the realism while GW has not, insert exalted Seeker Chariot, Blood Throne of Khorne, any other over the top model, New or Old
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
They better be absolute wrecking machines. Too long has old thirsty languished ingame interms of points VS useability VS effectiveness.
rollawaythestone wrote: So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
Statlines have been in boxes for over a year now. Without the full rules you still can't play them.
rollawaythestone wrote: So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
You're a bit late to that party I'm afraid see the link below.
rollawaythestone wrote: So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
You're a bit late to that party I'm afraid see the link below.
Lol there is. Unless you're work blocked and can't see the images. Bloodthirster moves 8"
The ones we can / have seen are WHFB stats though. As stated the small oines we cant see are 40k ones as they dont have an M stat.
Unless GW as gotten very lazy, 40k stats usually differ, even if its in special abilities and wargear.
OK my bad. A couple of things you should note then
A: They don't put movement stats in profiles anymore for 40K B: It's a pretty safe bet he's going to be a Flying Monstrous Creature so C: His movement will be 6" on the ground and 12" to 24" when swooping
I rail on GW when they do something poorly. I'm also in favor of praising them when they do well. I actually LIKE the new Khorne Warriors (minus hammer flails). And I think the Bloodthirster is fantastic. Different strokes for all, but putting these guys in the same league as the Pumbagore and classic Nagash is insulting. These are far superior to those old sculpts. Or in line with the old metal Velma-Sister w/e the hell she is with goggles. Just...no. Be ashamed of yourselves for suggesting these are as bad as any of those walking abortions.
A: They don't put movement stats in profiles anymore for 40K B: It's a pretty safe bet he's going to be a Flying Monstrous Creature so
C: His movement will be 6" on the ground and 12" to 24" when swooping
**Edit: Squinted and shock horror. He is a FMC
No one is complaining that there isn't a movement stat - the lack of a movement stat is evidence that the three blood thirsters are getting 40k rules.
Whoever is whipping this stuff up on the computers is persistently doing something, and I can't quite put my finger on what, but they did it to the new shokk attack gun ork as well, it's something that seems to rob the miniature of it's 'soul' in the weird softness of the edges. It's like going from the real version of X and replacing it with the cake version of X.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Whoever is whipping this stuff up on the computers is persistently doing something, and I can't quite put my finger on what, but they did it to the new shokk attack gun ork as well, it's something that seems to rob the miniature of it's 'soul' in the weird softness of the edges. It's like going from the real version of X and replacing it with the cake version of X.
I know what you mean, it's like the pure CAD models are wrapped in cling wrap. The weapons look fine, but the organic detail is...far too clean and neat, like it's been airbrushed to oblivion when what these models need is grit.
Zywus wrote: I too feel that the reception to these models seems unreasonable harsh.
Personally I'm certainly not bowled over and would not buy them even if I had a Khorne army, but calling them stuff like worst models ever feels like quite the hyperbole.
"Worst models ever" in terms of execution? Surely not. "Worst models ever" in terms of an idiotic concept that should have been laughed out of the picture when it was a first draft in someone's sketch book, but somehow got approved by a major company that repeatedly proclaims itself to be "the Porsche of miniatures? Yeah, that's pretty much spot on. It's pretty easy to find uglier miniatures. I don't know that anyone could ever find a dumber miniature with equal or greater corporate resources poured into it. These are more like a solid gold Ford Edsel or a caviar enema.
JOHIRA wrote: "Worst models ever" in terms of an idiotic concept that should have been laughed out of the picture when it was a first draft in someone's sketch book, but somehow got approved by a major company that repeatedly proclaims itself to be "the Porsche of miniatures? Yeah, that's pretty much spot on.
Not entirely.
The concept of blood-mad berzerkers who have stripped off half of their armour and are charging in with weapons akimbo is fine. The double flails are a stupid concept, but the sword guys are totally fine, conceptually.
It's purely the lacklustre sculpting and posing that lets them down for me. They're not the worst models ever... but they're far worse than most of GW's other recent releases, which have been a largely excellent.
A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..
(I've never looked at army painter stuff or vallejo though, so I can't do like a worldwide price comparison)
And when a special edition is well over $100 it usually has like oversized cards for the entire army, art prints, a painting guide, objective markers...stuff like that in it.
I have to say, so far these khorne models have me the least excited out of all the End times stuff I've seen. Even the skaven stormfiends (which look weird to me for fantasy) I was more enthused about.
Looking at the new wrathmongers makes me feel like they've just gone overboard with the iconography. Or maybe they just went overboard with the iconography on this release. I dunno.
I'm looking forward seeing what's in the book though.
insaniak wrote: The concept of blood-mad berzerkers who have stripped off half of their armour and are charging in with weapons akimbo is fine.
I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone. Use plastic HEMA weapons or heck, pool noodle-covered sticks if you want. Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last. Imagine charging into a unit of bowmen when your entire lower half is armored but everything above the nips is bare. How blood-crazed do you think you'd have to be to do that? Can you imagine someone who is that blood-crazed but able to lace on their own shoes? I can't, let alone don a 3/4 set of "armor".
I know most people who are fans of GW aren't really into historical warfare, so I'm not asking for realism. But it's not unfair to ask for some believability, and an armor design that is the exact opposite of nearly every historical armor we can find is not believable. I could believe brooding behemoths in full plate armor who stride across the battlefield with impunity. I can believe crazed warriors who stick to light armor or eschew armor entirely in a show of how brazen they are. I can't believe someone is going to go to the trouble of building a suit of fully-encasing plate dungarees but then just gives up on any protection at all for the rest of the body. It's ridiculous, well beyond GW's usual oversized-weapon levels of ridiculous.
Schlyne wrote: A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..
GW Blue and "Dust" are the same $18 price. Army Painter spray cans are $11 for the same size can with the same international issues.
JOHIRA wrote: I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone.
If we're going to lump anything with armour that isn't actually functional into the 'worst model ever' category, there's going to be precious few GW models that aren't in there.
Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last.
Well, that would explain why, historically, nobody ever went into battle without full plate armour...
JOHIRA wrote: I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone.
If we're going to lump anything with armour that isn't actually functional into the 'worst model ever' category, there's going to be precious few GW models that aren't in there.
Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last.
Well, that would explain why, historically, nobody ever went into battle without full plate armour...
No, but usually when you wear half-plate, or any armor of a non full coverage variety, you would put what armor you do wear over the vital areas, like the chest, and leave less vital areas bare.
Someone wearing a curaiss or hauberk and little else isn't too uncommon, as it allows some protection while still allowing full freedom of movement.
Wearing full plate leg gear and nothing else restricts your mobility without adding protection for vital areas.
insaniak wrote: It's purely the lacklustre sculpting and posing that lets them down for me. They're not the worst models ever... but they're far worse than most of GW's other recent releases, which have been a largely excellent.
And compare them to the Blightknights, which are fantastic minis. What the hell happened?
Wearing full plate leg gear and nothing else restricts your mobility without adding protection for vital areas.
And my impression of these guys was that removing the protection from the vital areas was entirely the point.
Which may very well be the case. But the point stands that it's a stupid decision from a warrior's viewpoint, and a poor decision from a design standpoint.
If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.
Deadawake1347 wrote: Which may very well be the case. But the point stands that it's a stupid decision from a warrior's viewpoint, and a poor decision from a design standpoint.
If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.
It's not about caring if they live or die, but about showing that they're (at least in their own heads) so much better than their opponents that they don't need full armour.
The worthy will win regardless of the lack of armour. The unworthy will fall.
Again, from any regular warrior's standpoint, yes. From frothing lunatic Khornate guys waving hammerflails around, not so much.
Deadawake1347 wrote: If they wanted to show that these guys simply don't care whether they live or die, they could have gotten the point across by having them stripped to the waist and wearing pants made from cloth, rather than plate mail, which would have been perfectly fine to me.
They already make naked warriors who care not for their own lives. They're called Slayers.
The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
Deadawake1347 wrote: The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
Deadawake1347 wrote: The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
No, again, that's the whole point...
Well then, I suppose I just don't agree that it is a good point to base the design around. But to each their own. I am however glad that these models exist, since I plan on grabbing a handful of the bits off of eBay for conversions. I just dislike the models as a whole.
VorpalBunny74 wrote: Well, Skullreaping and Wrathmonging don't pay as much as they used to. These guys obviously can't afford the top half of their armour.
No, they just split each suit with the upcoming Slannesh Sexpredators (combo kit with the Doomflashers).
I think we're looking at it the wrong way. These khorne mongers have risen from warriors of chaos. They haven't come to the battle and sat there on a tree stump before battle lacing up their pants and putting on plate leg armour. Instead, frothing at the mouth and chanting things about skulls, they have ripped the plates from their chest and arms, exposing their khornely muscles to the world before running into battle.
Perfectly believable for mad warriors of the god of battle.
For the record, I'm not saying these are great models, personally they have a little bit too much going on on their armour and weapons. But they are far from the worst models ever because 'metal pants are stoopid'
Speaking of 'metal pants' Isn't that nurgle Guy with the axe that everyone is converting all the time basically armoured similarly? I have never heard anyone complain about him.
I realise that there are other issues with the khorne guys and don't really consider them models worth My money; but come on guys...
Zywus wrote: Speaking of 'metal pants' Isn't that nurgle Guy with the axe that everyone is converting all the time basically armoured similarly? I have never heard anyone complain about him.
I realise that there are other issues with the khorne guys and don't really consider them models worth My money; but come on guys...
This guy?
Well, probably because there's a precedent for Nurgle stuff to be unarmoured, because they're basically dead already. Besides, it kind of makes sense to wear essentially no armour over wearing half a set.
rollawaythestone wrote: So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.
Just picked up a Bloodthirster - the 40k profiles are just the basic stat-lines of a Bloodthirster straight from the Chaos Demon codex. Not sure why they copied it for all 3 Fantasy variants, other than to make it clear there's only 1 40k variant I guess. The full profiles and points values for the 3 Fantasy Bloodthirsters are in the manual though.
Schlyne wrote: A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..
GW Blue and "Dust" are the same $18 price. Army Painter spray cans are $11 for the same size can with the same international issues.
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And I can walk into a craft store and get comparable "artist grade" spray cans in a functionally identical color for $8. They're all overpriced.
The Skullwrathers are pants-on-head silly, but they do match the rest of the Khorne line. These and the new bloodthirster and the bloodcrushers all share the same cartoony aesthetic.
Deadawake1347 wrote: The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.
Deadawake1347 wrote: The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.
I love stocks guy! You just know his attack is just kicking people in the shins.
God damn, why are people arguing over the validity of these guys wearing full armor or no armor. YOU do realize one dude has a Scorpion tail coming out of his ass, im sure that guy has more on his mind than "Do I truly represent what a real warrior would wear in battle..." I some times wonder if people forget this is not a historical miniatures game. Id say 3 out of 5 of the models are ace and 2, well luckily I just paint so I will make 3 of the flail guys and 2 of the other.
Deadawake1347 wrote: The problem with the ""frothing Khornate lunatic" argument is that they're apparently sane enough to get half their plate on, just not the part that is going to be useful in keeping them alive.
Look at the empire flagellants, one has a burming crown and they even took the time to put one guy in the stocks!
Makes me chuckle evry time I see that guy in the stocks -what the feth is he doing in combat?
Mind you, the flagellants are awesome minis IMO.
I love stocks guy! You just know his attack is just kicking people in the shins.
Well, after seeing a dad manly hobbling around after being shin kicked by his spoilt brat 6 year old, I wouldn't want to be hoofed by a fanatic who feels he doesn't need to use hands in hand to hand combat
H.B.M.C. wrote: And compare them to the Blightknights, which are fantastic minis. What the hell happened
1.) These new Khorne guys are pretty bad, and
2.) I googled the Blightknights, which I had never seen. The knowledge that I'll never get them painted up is the only thing keeping me from just impulse ordering them right now. Great models.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yes I should call them Blightkings as that's what they are - sorry if that made your search harder Ouze - but I think Blightknights sounds better.
Chopxsticks wrote: YOU do realize one dude has a Scorpion tail coming out of his ass, im sure that guy has more on his mind than "Do I truly represent what a real warrior would wear in battle..."
Sounds to me like that guy out of all of them should've questioned the only leg armour dress code. I mean how hard is it gonna be to put on plate armour when you have a giant scorpion tail in the way?
Have to say, I still remember the WD where those 2nd Ed Khorne Assault marines were pictured.....and they STILL make my mind boil at there absolute STUPIDITY even now!!!!! Argggghhhh....cant get them out of my head!!! I mean, did the sculptor never try walking with one shoe off? It's an actualy technique to make it harder for prisoners to run away - it totally throws you off balance.... And isn't part of the point of power armour that it's a vacuum suit so the SPACE marines can fight in SPACE? Arggh.....so much hatred, all these years later... Oh, and the models were actually crap too.
They look better once you can see them in 3D, in my opinion, they've got a decent back armour plate so the overall armour coverage is better than it appeared from the front. I'm definitely picking some up to convert 40k chaos lords / obliterators / that sort of thing with. I wouldn't use them for fantasy, though!
Zywus wrote: Speaking of 'metal pants' Isn't that nurgle Guy with the axe that everyone is converting all the time basically armoured similarly? I have never heard anyone complain about him.
I realise that there are other issues with the khorne guys and don't really consider them models worth My money; but come on guys...
This guy?
Well, probably because there's a precedent for Nurgle stuff to be unarmoured, because they're basically dead already. Besides, it kind of makes sense to wear essentially no armour over wearing half a set.
That, and it doesn't look daft with bunny ears.
I think the more important point is that this composition is balanced. Sensible or not, it is composed much better.
I had a plan for these, but the kit just doesn't look modular enough to do the kitbashing I hoped to.
Is it me, or have the plastics been coming with fewer and fewer assembly options recently?
^ I don't know, by my quick count the sprues have:
5x legs (the limiting factor in total dudes)
10x torsos
9x front armors
7x shoulder armors
5x back armors
7x unhelmeted heads
6x helemeted heads
10x axes
10x chain hammers
6x swords
3x mauls
5x icon back poles
1x giant icon
There's definite limits in possibility without getting into a lot of cutting and sculpting, but overall options? Seems like there's a good bit there to me. Not as mix-and-match as many common infantry kits, but it looks to be better than monopose characters or snapfits.
I meant poses, rather than bits.
There's no doubt the kits are coming with more and more stuff in them, there just seems to be fewer and fewer ways to glue them together without converting.
these look great compared to the coven throne, flying eagle elf chariot thing, the wolf guy in the mini longboat and other stupid shitGW has released recently.
oh and the mortarchs look dumb as hell too and i used to be a big vampire counts fan. gw has pretty much destroyed my like of them after so many stupid looking undead releases.
There's no doubt the kits are coming with more and more stuff in them, there just seems to be fewer and fewer ways to glue them together without converting.
A damn shame too, some of those weapons look awesome, but pointless if you don't like the models they are attached to
There's no doubt the kits are coming with more and more stuff in them, there just seems to be fewer and fewer ways to glue them together without converting.
A damn shame too, some of those weapons look awesome, but pointless if you don't like the models they are attached to
I wonder if I can somehow incorporate that 3 armed wrathmonger torso into a rat ogre...
I like the armored heads.
Armored heads on armored bodies, I can get behind. Could go either way on the weapons. Might look good fully armored.
I'd assume you can mix and macth the weapons too. Maybe a hand weapon and a flail, in full armor... I'd have a total mishmosh of what these guys are supposed to be.
It is the showdown: the last human city gets destroyed, the incarnate of fire sacrifices himself for the one of sky, Tzeentchs minions get sacrificed for Khornes amusement, the undead loose their home, the hero of light comes back, Bretonnians find out the truth of the blessed lady, the prince of shadows becomes a prisoner, the big escape to the heart of darkness for the final showdown.
That is what it is about, without revealing to much.
Warhams-77 wrote: Not sure if it helps. The current White Dwarf's preview page could mean anything... :(
Spoiler:
From Waaaghgaming.de
Thanks. The ice storm that blasted memphis meant our local GW didn't even get its normal shipment of stuff on time this week. All the stuff I ordered last week is stuck in a warehouse somewhere...and the store's normal inventory, including the weekly white dwarfs. It's also where the fedex hub is...yay US weather.
To be fair they did manage bloodwrath armed with blood storm blades and the special rule blood born with the sub rule blood tally.
And the real reason GW thinks fantasy is tanking is revealed and why all the characters are being killed off. Their names were stupid and had to be replaced with something more sensible.
As far as names go, it's fine. He's a Champion of Chaos, not a news anchor.
No, it is not fine, it is stupid, and for as long as GW continue to churn out mindless and trite names to this degree (and I'm sure a line has been crossed, they were never this bad/lazy until the last year or two) then you should make your peace with the fact people are going to comment on it.
As far as names go, it's fine. He's a Champion of Chaos, not a news anchor.
No, it is not fine, it is stupid, and for as long as GW continue to churn out mindless and trite names to this degree (and I'm sure a line has been crossed, they were never this bad/lazy until the last year or two) then you should make your peace with the fact people are going to comment on it.
So where were the complaints about Bloab Rotspawned, Morbidex Twiceborn, or Orghotts Daemonspew?
Chaos has always had descriptive names for Champions, and to pretend that this is somehow "new" is ridiculous.
Is a model supposed to come with his rules release? Or should I just whip out my Chaos champion and switch his axes to blades? Well, axes are blades. I can leave him be and just toss some stuff from the Khorne infantry kit on him. Bloody hell, I actually want all the Khorne stuff. Somebody shoot me.
Daemonspew:
Rot Axes and his steed "Whippermaw"(Orghotts is the build with twin axes and the single tentacled monster mount)
Rotspawned: Mounted on Bilespurter, Vile Bile, Daemon Flies, and Doombells. Rotspawned is the hooded sorcerer with the mount hawking a spitball.
Twiceborn: Mounted on Tripletongue and granting Regeneration to Nurglings and having Regeneration himself.
So yeah, they are just as bad if the quantifier is somehow that their name should preclude special rules or items with the same descriptors/themes.
Oh and let's not forget that they're called the "Maggoth Lords" to begin with.
Kanluwen wrote: Daemonspew:
Rot Axes and his steed "Whippermaw"(Orghotts is the build with twin axes and the single tentacled monster mount)
Rotspawned: Mounted on Bilespurter, Vile Bile, Daemon Flies, and Doombells. Rotspawned is the hooded sorcerer with the mount hawking a spitball.
Twiceborn: Mounted on Tripletongue and granting Regeneration to Nurglings and having Regeneration himself.
So yeah, they are just as bad if the quantifier is somehow that their name should preclude special rules or items with the same descriptors/themes.
Oh and let's not forget that they're called the "Maggoth Lords" to begin with.
Let's also not forget that I was saying they've got worse in the last few years, and they are only releases in the last few months
I mean there's always been Angron the Angry and Iron Hands, leader of the Iron Hands, but I'd say since the 5th BA and SW books, there's been a gradual slide in naming conventions, to the point where they've now descended into parody.
Kanluwen wrote: Daemonspew:
Rot Axes and his steed "Whippermaw"(Orghotts is the build with twin axes and the single tentacled monster mount)
Rotspawned: Mounted on Bilespurter, Vile Bile, Daemon Flies, and Doombells. Rotspawned is the hooded sorcerer with the mount hawking a spitball.
Twiceborn: Mounted on Tripletongue and granting Regeneration to Nurglings and having Regeneration himself.
So yeah, they are just as bad if the quantifier is somehow that their name should preclude special rules or items with the same descriptors/themes.
Oh and let's not forget that they're called the "Maggoth Lords" to begin with.
Let's also not forget that I was saying they've got worse in the last few years, and they are only releases in the last few months
I mean there's always been Angron the Angry and Iron Hands, leader of the Iron Hands, but I'd say since the 5th BA and SW books, there's been a gradual slide in naming conventions, to the point where they've now descended into parody.
And I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, simply pointing out the absurdity of complaints that have surrounded the Khorne releases but not the Nurgle releases.
There were hardly any complaints about the "Blightkings", "Gutrot Spume", "Morbidex Twiceborn", "Bloab Rotspawned", and "Orghotts Daemonspew"--but somehow "Wrathmongers", "Skullreapers", the Bloodthirster variants, and now Skarr Bloodwrath are "over the line"?
I should have clarified my point a bit better with my initial post, but quite frankly the complaints are silly in my opinion.
Kanluwen wrote: Daemonspew:
Rot Axes and his steed "Whippermaw"(Orghotts is the build with twin axes and the single tentacled monster mount)
Rotspawned: Mounted on Bilespurter, Vile Bile, Daemon Flies, and Doombells. Rotspawned is the hooded sorcerer with the mount hawking a spitball.
Twiceborn: Mounted on Tripletongue and granting Regeneration to Nurglings and having Regeneration himself.
So yeah, they are just as bad if the quantifier is somehow that their name should preclude special rules or items with the same descriptors/themes.
Oh and let's not forget that they're called the "Maggoth Lords" to begin with.
Let's also not forget that I was saying they've got worse in the last few years, and they are only releases in the last few months
I mean there's always been Angron the Angry and Iron Hands, leader of the Iron Hands, but I'd say since the 5th BA and SW books, there's been a gradual slide in naming conventions, to the point where they've now descended into parody.
And I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, simply pointing out the absurdity of complaints that have surrounded the Khorne releases but not the Nurgle releases.
There were hardly any complaints about the "Blightkings", "Gutrot Spume", "Morbidex Twiceborn", "Bloab Rotspawned", and "Orghotts Daemonspew"--but somehow "Wrathmongers", "Skullreapers", the Bloodthirster variants, and now Skarr Bloodwrath are "over the line"?
I should have clarified my point a bit better with my initial post, but quite frankly the complaints are silly in my opinion.
Honestly I think it's less the fact that they may have relatively silly names than it is the repetition.
"Bloab Rotspawned" doesn't have the Spawn of Rot special rule and isn't equipped with Rot Blades which have the Rotten special rule which causes an enemy model hit to suffer from Rot.
There's only so many times you can say the same word in one sentence before it sounds like a bad joke.
Kanluwen wrote: Are we really going to go down this road again?
As far as names go, it's fine. He's a Champion of Chaos, not a news anchor.
Yup. 'Cause it's getting dumber, and your attempts to defend GW at every turn are getting more desperate at every turn Kan.
He's a guy named Bloodwrath, armed with Bloodstorm Blades, and has a special rule called Bloodborn where he keeps a Blood Tally. It's reached Grimm Shado levels of parody, only its not parody!!!
Kanluwen wrote: There were hardly any complaints about the "Blightkings", "Gutrot Spume", "Morbidex Twiceborn", "Bloab Rotspawned", and "Orghotts Daemonspew"--but somehow "Wrathmongers", "Skullreapers", the Bloodthirster variants, and now Skarr Bloodwrath are "over the line"?
Yup. Some of the Nurgle ones are silly (Daemonspew and Bloab really). As for the rest:
"Rot Axes"
What's wrong with these. He's a guy armed with Rot Axes. It's not Rotaxe the Rotten, armed with Rot Axes and the power of Rottingness.
"Whippermaw"
That's a cool name.
"Rotspawned: Mounted on Bilespurter, Vile Bile, Daemon Flies, and Doombells. Rotspawned is the hooded sorcerer with the mount hawking a spitball. "
Daemonflies and Doombells don't strike me as odd. Vile Bile is just good assonance. The rest I can live without.
"Twiceborn: Mounted on Tripletongue and granting Regeneration to Nurglings and having Regeneration himself."
Ok, and? Twiceborn is an interesting name. Tripletongue isn't OTT, it's actually a little mundane.
The man, the legend, the Kan wrote:So yeah, they are just as bad if the quantifier is somehow that their name should preclude special rules or items with the same descriptors/themes.
The fact that you don't see it speaks more to your pathological need to defend GW than anything else really.
The Kan with the Plan wrote:Oh and let's not forget that they're called the "Maggoth Lords" to begin with.
Maggoth Lords? Pretty cool name. Better than "Maggot Lords". Makes 'em sound huge (which they are).
I gotta say, I don't give a gak what GeeDub names their characters. On my table I will call him Fluffy Lumkins and my opponent will not give a rat's hind end. Yes, the names are all silly and some are very OTT but you don't have to call them that as long as your opponent knows what you are using.
Who will be the first to be outraged at the sight of his dual axe-flails? Let the gak storm commence! Also that demure foot pose seems to be all the rage (haha) among Khorne worshippers!
CthuluIsSpy wrote: There's a guy named Bloodwrath?
Are you sure they don't have Dethklok on the design team?
I'm just disappointed he doesn't also have Burning Blood and a Blood Punch and that his axes don't bleed constantly and that they aren't made of blood.
I dont like to judge models by single leaked pics, but those are some of the stupidest weapons I have ever seen on a GW model.
Easy enough to fix, but its still provocative.
Id like to see someone just turn the flails to lashing chain tentacles sprouting from his belly.
It pisses me off that we can get new characters like this but the 5 Chaos Champions for 40k don't get new models.
QFT - It seems so capricious and disappointing how GW refuses to provide models for certain things that tons of people are screaming for, but then comes up with new things that literally no one is demanding.
and as for Clockwork Zion's awesome "Probably between 20 and 30 Blood bucks." comment:
ClockworkZion wrote: I was a little disappointed that "axe flails" are flails with axe heads on the ends of the chains.
Yeah, those are conceptually pretty weak.
Would be far better if they were flails with axe-heads instead of spiked balls at the end of the chains. As it is, the weapon seems ludicrously unwieldy.
I mean, heck...the chains are attached BELOW the axe head. There would always be the likelihood that your own chain would get in the way of the cutting edge of the axe.
) as if about to push off for another charge?
They would look great with regular marauder heads and chaos axes/swords. 
All the stuff I ordered last week is stuck in a warehouse somewhere...and the store's normal inventory, including the weekly white dwarfs. It's also where the fedex hub is...yay US weather.
