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Definitely torn on these guys, some of the aesthetic works but they feel a bit too OTT for me.

Someone mentioned the 2nd ed Khorne metal sculpts earlier, they were right on the money imo aesthetically and feel-wise.
A slight upgrading of them would have been more welcome.

I too feel that the reception to these models seems unreasonable harsh.
Personally I'm certainly not bowled over and would not buy them even if I had a Khorne army, but calling them stuff like worst models ever feels like quite the hyperbole.

I do kinda like the bare heads. I feel they could be suitable for some pre-heresy World Eaters. What would you people say is the size of the heads. Are they comparable to the modern (slightly smaller) marine heads?

$57? Jesus Christ, how much are the Wraithguard in $? 50, right? That's about the maximum I can stomach for 5x 40mm base models... God damn it...

Mymearan wrote:
$57? Jesus Christ, how much are the Wraithguard in $? 50, right? That's about the maximum I can stomach for 5x 40mm base models... God damn it...

While we don't know exactly how big they are, $57 is a bit below the most recent price level they set for 5x terminator sized figs.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angels-Terminator-Assault-Squad

That doesn't mean I agree with it or think it is a good price but at this point it isn't anything out of the ordinary. In a world were monopose characters with no customization start at $20 and hit almost $30 for a single crap fig, there are bigger fish to fry. :(

 Ratius wrote:
Definitely torn on these guys, some of the aesthetic works but they feel a bit too OTT for me.

Someone mentioned the 2nd ed Khorne metal sculpts earlier, they were right on the money imo aesthetically and feel-wise.
A slight upgrading of them would have been more welcome.

Spoiler:

If it was my mention you're referring to, I actually meant the Skull helmet, bare arm and leg Khorne Assault Marines. I apologise but I'm pressed for time and don't have a photo handy.

So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 scuzz_bucket wrote:
Sheesh, you people are blind. I feel bad for the designers who dare glance at these threads.

Indeed we are blind... its the obfuscating light on our eyes from things like blood rage, conan and barbarian hordes from tre... Just to name a few this year in the same fantasy setting.

Thats an unfair comparison though. Why not throw in Soda Pop miniatures as well, also good sculpts for there respected genre. Tre's models have always been more on the realism while GW has not, insert exalted Seeker Chariot, Blood Throne of Khorne, any other over the top model, New or Old

So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

They better be absolute wrecking machines. Too long has old thirsty languished ingame interms of points VS useability VS effectiveness.

Bizarely enough, I think the lack of hair is what puts me off the most about the new Khornathes...

rollawaythestone wrote:
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

Statlines have been in boxes for over a year now. Without the full rules you still can't play them.

rollawaythestone wrote:
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

You're a bit late to that party I'm afraid see the link below.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/480/630788.page

 angelofvengeance wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
So apparently the new Bloodthirster has three new 40k profiles as well? Anyone seen anything definitive? You can see the profiles below the figures, but they are too small to make out.

You're a bit late to that party I'm afraid see the link below.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/480/630788.page

Didn't see anything about 40k statlines in the page you posted. Those are indeed 40k statlines below. There is no movement stat.

Lol there is. Unless you're work blocked and can't see the images. Bloodthirster moves 8"

Lol there is. Unless you're work blocked and can't see the images. Bloodthirster moves 8"

The ones we can / have seen are WHFB stats though. As stated the small oines we cant see are 40k ones as they dont have an M stat.
Unless GW as gotten very lazy, 40k stats usually differ, even if its in special abilities and wargear.

OK my bad.
A couple of things you should note then

A: They don't put movement stats in profiles anymore for 40K
B: It's a pretty safe bet he's going to be a Flying Monstrous Creature so
C: His movement will be 6" on the ground and 12" to 24" when swooping

**Edit: Squinted and shock horror. He is a FMC

I rail on GW when they do something poorly. I'm also in favor of praising them when they do well. I actually LIKE the new Khorne Warriors (minus hammer flails). And I think the Bloodthirster is fantastic. Different strokes for all, but putting these guys in the same league as the Pumbagore and classic Nagash is insulting. These are far superior to those old sculpts. Or in line with the old metal Velma-Sister w/e the hell she is with goggles. Just...no. Be ashamed of yourselves for suggesting these are as bad as any of those walking abortions.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
OK my bad.
A couple of things you should note then

A: They don't put movement stats in profiles anymore for 40K
B: It's a pretty safe bet he's going to be a Flying Monstrous Creature so
C: His movement will be 6" on the ground and 12" to 24" when swooping

**Edit: Squinted and shock horror. He is a FMC

No one is complaining that there isn't a movement stat - the lack of a movement stat is evidence that the three blood thirsters are getting 40k rules.

That and the giant Warhammer 40k at the top of the picture....

$18 for a can of spray paint? Really?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks, Xera

The price list via Spikeybits

timd wrote:
$18 for a can of spray paint? Really?

Citadel FineSpray

It is nice spray...

Just came to me -
We had the 'Khorne-dozer' - are these 'Khorne-flakes'?

 catharsix wrote:
$57. Jesus. What will prices be like in 2 years, I wonder.

+$2 over the Blightknights.

INFLATION, HO!


But not really...

Whoever is whipping this stuff up on the computers is persistently doing something, and I can't quite put my finger on what, but they did it to the new shokk attack gun ork as well, it's something that seems to rob the miniature of it's 'soul' in the weird softness of the edges. It's like going from the real version of X and replacing it with the cake version of X.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Whoever is whipping this stuff up on the computers is persistently doing something, and I can't quite put my finger on what, but they did it to the new shokk attack gun ork as well, it's something that seems to rob the miniature of it's 'soul' in the weird softness of the edges. It's like going from the real version of X and replacing it with the cake version of X.

I know what you mean, it's like the pure CAD models are wrapped in cling wrap. The weapons look fine, but the organic detail is...far too clean and neat, like it's been airbrushed to oblivion when what these models need is grit.

Anti-CAD snobbery? How useful.

Zywus wrote:
I too feel that the reception to these models seems unreasonable harsh.
Personally I'm certainly not bowled over and would not buy them even if I had a Khorne army, but calling them stuff like worst models ever feels like quite the hyperbole.

"Worst models ever" in terms of execution? Surely not. "Worst models ever" in terms of an idiotic concept that should have been laughed out of the picture when it was a first draft in someone's sketch book, but somehow got approved by a major company that repeatedly proclaims itself to be "the Porsche of miniatures? Yeah, that's pretty much spot on. It's pretty easy to find uglier miniatures. I don't know that anyone could ever find a dumber miniature with equal or greater corporate resources poured into it. These are more like a solid gold Ford Edsel or a caviar enema.

 JOHIRA wrote:
"Worst models ever" in terms of an idiotic concept that should have been laughed out of the picture when it was a first draft in someone's sketch book, but somehow got approved by a major company that repeatedly proclaims itself to be "the Porsche of miniatures? Yeah, that's pretty much spot on.

Not entirely.

The concept of blood-mad berzerkers who have stripped off half of their armour and are charging in with weapons akimbo is fine. The double flails are a stupid concept, but the sword guys are totally fine, conceptually.

It's purely the lacklustre sculpting and posing that lets them down for me. They're not the worst models ever... but they're far worse than most of GW's other recent releases, which have been a largely excellent.

A few points...if I recall correctly, red is one of the colors that requires a ton of pigment in it to get the right color. As for the spray paints, shipping spray paint worldwide has a ton of legal, crap associated with it that would bump up the price..

(I've never looked at army painter stuff or vallejo though, so I can't do like a worldwide price comparison)

And when a special edition is well over $100 it usually has like oversized cards for the entire army, art prints, a painting guide, objective markers...stuff like that in it.

I have to say, so far these khorne models have me the least excited out of all the End times stuff I've seen. Even the skaven stormfiends (which look weird to me for fantasy) I was more enthused about.

Looking at the new wrathmongers makes me feel like they've just gone overboard with the iconography. Or maybe they just went overboard with the iconography on this release. I dunno.

I'm looking forward seeing what's in the book though.

 insaniak wrote:
The concept of blood-mad berzerkers who have stripped off half of their armour and are charging in with weapons akimbo is fine.

I challenge anyone who believes this to attempt to recreate the style of "armor" these guys are wearing through cosplay and mock fighting. Put together a set of plate pants with a plate underbra corset, or shove a kite shield into the front of your pants until it stops at your nipple line, and try to walk, let alone charge into a battle and fight someone. Use plastic HEMA weapons or heck, pool noodle-covered sticks if you want. Go up against someone wearing protective gear that covers their whole body in the manner of Empire, Brettonian, or Elven warriors. Or go with anything remotely historical. Hits on armor don't count, hits on exposed body parts are wounds. See how long you last. Imagine charging into a unit of bowmen when your entire lower half is armored but everything above the nips is bare. How blood-crazed do you think you'd have to be to do that? Can you imagine someone who is that blood-crazed but able to lace on their own shoes? I can't, let alone don a 3/4 set of "armor".

I know most people who are fans of GW aren't really into historical warfare, so I'm not asking for realism. But it's not unfair to ask for some believability, and an armor design that is the exact opposite of nearly every historical armor we can find is not believable. I could believe brooding behemoths in full plate armor who stride across the battlefield with impunity. I can believe crazed warriors who stick to light armor or eschew armor entirely in a show of how brazen they are. I can't believe someone is going to go to the trouble of building a suit of fully-encasing plate dungarees but then just gives up on any protection at all for the rest of the body. It's ridiculous, well beyond GW's usual oversized-weapon levels of ridiculous.