Man, what a big fat chunk of awesome! The Lumineth Wind Spirit is glorious, there seems to be a HUGE second wave for them coming. Ah, so excited!

And then the new Warhammer Quest looks so gnarly and old school. Love it! Can’t wait to see more if they’re anything like the Witch Hunter and freako grave digger duder.

Not-Kangaroo-Riders didn't even show up in the preview. Presumably they are even further out?

Damn, that was probably their best reveal thus far.

OK with the sister-suit, not ideal, but not terrible either.

pass on kill team for now.

Lumineth are starting to look very interesting to me.

Must have that Vampire warband, and I've never played Underworlds before.

Warhammer Quest......yes, that is an auto-buy.

was really hoping to cut back on my spending this year, lol.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Not-Kangaroo-Riders didn't even show up in the preview. Presumably they are even further out?

Nope, GW are just holding things in limbo. They appear in the video in silhouette. They are clearly not a February release so GW is holding back to tease things out over the coming months just like they normally do. Same for why they've not revealed all for Warhammer Quest.


I'd wager March is going to be dominated with Killteam; then after that we'll see Luminth then Warhammer Quest then Vampire army.


Also don't forget with Slaanesh and DoK both getting NEW battletomes we might see 3.0 in the mid year or latter year which might be where Vampires are going.

Sotahullu wrote:
I am kinda shocked that there is going to be so many new Lumineth kits out soon.

Yeah that surprised me. Fyreslayers been waiting more for 5 years, lumineth gets what might be 11 kits with book half a year old

Not that i'm　complaining(wallet is though)


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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Not-Kangaroo-Riders didn't even show up in the preview. Presumably they are even further out?

Or them being already previewed kinda made it redundant. Quite likely deliberate. Gw leak department leaks, then in response to "leak" official preview.

Unlikely wind temple releases gets split.

(also weren't silhouettes seen? Regent kit was at　least)

 Overread wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It could also be a Kurnothi instead of a Wanderer.

Seems to have normal legs rather than the deer legs of the Kurnothi.

Hard to tell as the character is crouched and all we can really see are the upper thighs, which are normal for the kurnothi and a human/aelf. With the pose the reverse joint hind leg (or rather raised heel) are going to be hidden from view. If it is from the woods then Kurnothi would fit with GW's current asthetic design direction. Heck I could see Wanderers being slowly morphed/replaced with them as a Sylvanth addition might like how they are twisting High Elves into Lumineth.

Honestly, the thing that people always seem to forget is that Wood Elves did have those kinds of 'stag horn' helmets.

Not convinced the big guy is an ogre. Nothing ogrish about him other than the size. Might as well be an orc. The shoulder plate doesn't match either faction's aesthetic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not convinced the big guy is an ogre. Nothing ogrish about him other than the size. Might as well be an orc. The shoulder plate doesn't match either faction's aesthetic.

It does look like a bloodbowl player might have wonderd over via a realmgate to have a look see or on a recruting drive.

Might be a Orc looking to bash some heads or runty Ogre Merc.

Nothing quite interesting in that preview for me, but I'm surprised about the pretty classical looking vampires.

Well, they sold me. I just bought the Lumineth starter box on Amazon for $116...my old High Elves now return. Just need to add vampires and undead and I'll be back to my old warhammer days.

My collected thoughts:

SoB: A better execution of a stupid idea than Centurions and Dreadknights were, but the weedy arms sour them a bit.

WHU Vampires: Mostly cool. Buy.

Kill Team: Jumping on Warcry's less content for a higher price bandwagon, sadly. Pass.

Quest: Exactly what I expected, looks great so far. Other heroes don't seem super interesting. Probably buy.

Warmaster Titan: Very yes.

Furry Elves: Very no.

tneva82 wrote:

Yeah that surprised me. Fyreslayers been waiting more for 5 years, lumineth gets what might be 11 kits with book half a year old

I genuinely think if GW could make everyone forget about Fyreslayers, they would.

Anyway, the fox spirit looks amazing, the cursed city looks amazing, the vampires look amazing. The endless spells look good (aside from the dancing swords, they never look good however many times they try).
The only downside and surprise for me was that Nighthaunts aren't in the Teclis book, and...they need all the help they can get.

40k reveals were fine, sister of battle TAG was fun. Killteam looks neat.

I'm one of those people who was clambering for an SoB Centurion, I kinda thought we got that with the Mortifiers though...

I certainly like its look better than 'penitent engine with sarcophagus' and if them being in good standing means they'll get access to <ORDER> then I can already see potential to take them over Mortis, lets see what their stat block ends up looking like.

As for the model, yeah, it needs work, just like the Centurion did - maybe removing the the gun arm entirely and attaching the HB directly to the shoulder.

Those shoulder guns are most likely either storm or hurricane bolters, just like the Centurion's chest guns - the alternative is clearly some kind of missile - something Sisters don't get to play with on account of them trying to cram them into musical instruments.

Really liking those new vampires.

Only things I'm not a huge fan of are the maces and the expression on the red-armoured one (looks a little goofy to me).

In general, though, really nice models. Quite unexpected, too, given the previous reveals.

Chikout wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
So it looks like the Cursed City has it's own website and it confirms there are

6 Heroes for the Good Guys
5 Leaders for the Bad Guys

It also has a cool kind of interactive map where you can scope out various sections of the city (which I imagine will quest locations).

From the video it looks like we have:
Witch Hunter
Some sort of Sylvaneth/Wanderer Archer
Looks like a Kharadon Inventor or something
An Ogre

The Main Vampire
The Gravelord guy
Some sort of female vampire/boss of some sort
Armored Skeletons
Brigands or Vampire Thralls
Zombies that have chunks of earth/masonry attached

From the map there is also a section called "Gheistgale"
That mentions only the spectral dead will go near it, so I'm guessing some sort of Nighthaunt too?

Edit: Also a section mentioned being Bat-infested, so I imagine we will see some fell bats, bat swarms or some sort of varghulf type things.

It says the Witcher hunter is 1/8 if you read his description. That would make it the same as Blackstone fortress.

Right you are! Even better! Nice catch!

Warhammer Quest looks good. Vampires look solid, witchhunter is excellent.

Not fussed about the kangeroos, quite like the antelope riding HQ. Mixed feelings about the fox spirit archer, but that might be me looking at the releases through old world tinted glasses...

Those sisters walker things... JHC, really does feel dialed in. And while everyone dislikes the spindly arms, I cannot unsee that in order for a sister to fit into it, she'd have to have a 4ft wide pelvis. (bury her in a Y shaped coffin, eh Lord Percy?).

That titan though... wow, so, so hot. I LOVE that thing and how it harks back to the old Jes Goodwin sketches of my childhood.

 Darnok wrote:
Well, my first thought was "oh, Infinity style battlesuits for Sisters... okay". If you play Sisters and like this: good for you. Not for me - but not my army anyway.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who went to Adepta Sorori-TAG on seeing that suit.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
im still waiting on oblits, greater demons and venomcrawler....

Greater Possessed, not greater daemons - and did the Master of Floaty Possession ever get a standalone release?

Voss wrote:
5 flayed ones vs heavy intercessors just seems... unfair.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the comparison looks like in 9th ed stats, as I haven't got the Necron book, but 5 melee-only dudes vs 5 Gravis guys with Big Bolters seems a bit of a mis-match.

 Ghaz wrote:
New Daughters of Khaine battletome...

Spoiler:

Blood Snake is really nicely done. Floating hand/heart is OK, not so sure about the blood/swords combo.

tneva82 wrote:
It just got sneak　peaked...

Does it still count as a "sneak peak" when there are examples in the SM 'dex?

If the setup for the Pariah Nexus board is anything like the Rogue Trader one? It's more Space Hulk than 40k. Tight corridors with limited fire arcs.

Personal take:
The only thing I'm disappointed by? I had hoped for a fox mount for the Wind Temple. It would have been something kind of different and cool while still opening things up for a weird Hyshian bend, like maybe some kind of aether fox or the like.

 Dysartes wrote:


Does it still count as a "sneak peak" when there are examples in the SM 'dex?

There's examples of kt box in codex? I'm referring to kt. These come first there, separate later. Kt just got sneak　peaked. When you expect kt to come? Even if announcement is tomorrow it would be 6.2 in store either. Then 2 weeks to have before separate, 20.2. That would be　hyper fast solo release...

February unlikely to have solo. Gw wants to get kt sales going on.

Umm. Frankly I was expecting more.

Mummy baby-carrier? Meh.

Kill team? Meh.

Titan? Nice model, but don't play Titanicus. Meh.

Good beastman? These Lumineth elves are getting weirder and weirder. Meh.

Only redeemed for me by the vampires in the underworlds warband, and the new WH Quest, which both look awesome.

The titan and the sister suit were easily the best parts of this preview. So very, very Warhammer 40,000.

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


Does it still count as a "sneak peak" when there are examples in the SM 'dex?

There's examples of kt box in codex? I'm referring to kt. These come first there, separate later. Kt just got sneak　peaked. When you expect kt to come? Even if announcement is tomorrow it would be 6.2 in store either. Then 2 weeks to have before separate, 20.2. That would be　hyper fast solo release...

February unlikely to have solo. Gw wants to get kt sales going on.

JWBS was talking about Heavy Intercessors, which you responded to, and I quoted. There are examples of Heavy Intercessors in the SM Dex, which has been out for months at this point, so is it really accurate to say that this is a sneak peak at those models?

I count, what, maybe three new items in the KT box - the board, the "terrain" and maybe the Chronomancer, though I think we've also seen that before as well.

I’m just glad they actually managed to preview stuff we legitimately hadn’t seen before.
Seriously, who the hell saw an ecclesiarchy warsuit coming?
While the wind-sprit was hinted at in lore, nothing leaked beyond very vague rumours, and we got silhouettes of even more stuff.
And of course the new Titan was hoped for and expected after the teasers but definitely impactful.
Of course WHQ was guessed for the mystery system but then so was almost literally every other system they’ve done before and only a very few people got close to the actual content.

So, overall, good job guys.

We’re just getting started for the Adepta Sororitas – in 2021 your faith will be rewarded even further.

Is that... really necessary?
I loved the new plastic Sisters. Bought most of them. Great stuff. Don't really want more to be honest, would rather see, oh I don't know, new plastic Eldar and a replacement of other horrible Finecast kits.
Definitely wasn't waiting for Babycarrier 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Shame about the blood on the magic snake thingy, very nice sculpt otherwise.

Quest looks excellent so far.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


Does it still count as a "sneak peak" when there are examples in the SM 'dex?

There's examples of kt box in codex? I'm referring to kt. These come first there, separate later. Kt just got sneak　peaked. When you expect kt to come? Even if announcement is tomorrow it would be 6.2 in store either. Then 2 weeks to have before separate, 20.2. That would be　hyper fast solo release...

February unlikely to have solo. Gw wants to get kt sales going on.

JWBS was talking about Heavy Intercessors, which you responded to, and I quoted. There are examples of Heavy Intercessors in the SM Dex, which has been out for months at this point, so is it really accurate to say that this is a sneak peak at those models?

I count, what, maybe three new items in the KT box - the board, the "terrain" and maybe the Chronomancer, though I think we've also seen that before as well.

We did. We even saw a preview of the video itself way back in october, so having the flayed ones and a SM kit buried in it isn't a shock. The real question is 'where is the psychomancer?'

In all fairness, KT was probably originally scheduled for closer to the SM release, but the state of shipping, Covid and everything else has caused problems.

New sisters are horrible. Mix of centurion and that horrible gk baby carrier. Not a fan of the cow theme on tje new elves. Looks weird and dont fit the race imo. Now that vampire warband is ace as is the two whq models revealed

Crispy78 wrote:
Umm. Frankly I was expecting more.

Mummy baby-carrier? Meh.

Kill team? Meh.

Titan? Nice model, but don't play Titanicus. Meh.

Good beastman? These Lumineth elves are getting weirder and weirder. Meh.

Only redeemed for me by the vampires in the underworlds warband, and the new WH Quest, which both look awesome.

I definitely wasn't expecting more- there are limits to these previews
I share your indifference to the first couple things, though I actually dislike the Titan. A 'bigger, shootier, more intense' model is inevitably a problem for GW games.

Lumenith is a crazy grab bag of random stuff at this point. Cow elves are out, they're cosplayer elves now. Theme is essentially lol!random, and thats probably one of the worst attempts I've ever seen at a simple concept like 'kitsune archer,' unrivaled by generations of anime and manga artists, and multiple attempts at 'Asian D&D' (either actual D&D or L5R type games).

Underworlds Vampires are flat-out amazing though.

WQ:CC I'm intrigued by. I think both previewed models go a little bit over the top (the designer added just a few too many things- drop the stake launcher and greatsword, and the weird mask, and they'd be aces).
Speaking of the masked guy... I swear I've seen that before, or something very like it.
Ah. I'm thinking of the castle interface from Girl Genius... I think. https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071012#.YAxcMOhKiUk

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Nothing quite interesting in that preview for me, but I'm surprised about the pretty classical looking vampires.

Maybe GW is realizing that the appeal of 40k and even more of WHFB was that they were clearing houses for all manners of fantasy and sci if trope with a wry smile and a wink.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
New sisters are horrible. Mix of centurion and that horrible gk baby carrier. Not a fan of the cow theme on tje new elves. Looks weird and dont fit the race imo. Now that vampire warband is ace as is the two whq models revealed

This says it for me... the bat haired vamp is kewl but a snag magnet, inviting breakage.
Still not my favorite but much better than cowelves...

Not a fan of the cow theme on tje new elves.

Good thing there wasn't a single cow-themed one among the previewed elves then!

AoS has for a long time mixed in some very classical designs. The Daughters of Khaine Underworld Warband has a very classical design for the Queen leading the warband.

I enjoy it because alongside totally insane fantastical creations, GW is keeping some elements of pose and design of classical elements in there too. It's a great mix.

That KT box is okay. A terribly skewed matchup, and most likely the same price as Catacombs. If only GW invested the time and resources into adding depth top the rules instead...

Vampires aren't terrible. Might even be great- hard to tell with those paint jobs.

Definitely not a fan of the swirly-gak-jumping fox-antelope for Moomineth. GW needs to make up their mind on their style and theme.

The Sisters dreadnought is badly designed and completely unnecessary.

Blood snake? No, no- that is clearly wax! CAD wax!

Am I the only one who is blown away by that Gorslav model? It is absolutely horrific in all the right ways.

That was pretty impressive.

Great looking figures!

Is there any particular reason why GW Vampires apparently feel that they can leave their arms entirely or partially unprotected? This is such a weird trend that started with the uglified Mannfred back during 7th (or was it 6th?).
They are donning heavy armor - which means they are concerned with their bodily protection - but leaving their weapon arm, including possible magic rings of regeneration and similar trinkets, exposed to being cut off by a skilled swing is fine?

I'm really liking the Paragon Warsuit. The gun arm doesn't look like it would be that overly weedy if we were to be looking at it from the side instead of head on.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
Well, my first thought was "oh, Infinity style battlesuits for Sisters... okay". If you play Sisters and like this: good for you. Not for me - but not my army anyway.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who went to Adepta Sorori-TAG on seeing that suit.

They're all Landmates.

The arm looks OK in that build - I think it is the HB one that's only been seen in a still from a video that people were saying looked weedy.

Favourites: Vampires, Witch Hunter and Warmaster Titan.
What were they smoking: SoB version of Dreadknight.

I went right to this:
http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_123107a.htm

Aliens Power Loader w/ Sister Ripley.

Just had a look through everything and thought it was an absolutely fantastic preview. I liked everything. I think the Super-Sister-Suits look great! Really happy that GW is putting in the time and resources to really give pointy ears love. High Elves were one of my first WHF armies like 20+ years ago, same with the undead, bring back mummies! The Vamps are great and WQ.... well, If GW sorts out their production issues they will probably sell as many as they can make. I just hope this isn't a case of a boxset selling out in 1 minute.

I'd rather Sisters just have a Terminator unit than a Nemesis Babycarrier. If Inquisitors can wear suits of it, I imagine Sisters could - even if it's extremely rare. The way they're pushing these on multiple Imperial armies has me worried the Guard will inevitably get one and will look just as stupid as it has every other attempt... at least they're not leaping off a Tactical Rock I suppose.

The Cursed City actually looks quite promising, from the tone to the models - or at least their silhouettes.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Am I the only one who is blown away by that Gorslav model? It is absolutely horrific in all the right ways.

It put me in the mind of something out of one of Guillermo del Toro's films - eg Pan's Labyrinth or Hellboy. It's in that same creepy strange design block.


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 Arbitrator wrote:
I'd rather Sisters just have a Terminator unit than a Nemesis Babycarrier. If Inquisitors can wear suits of it, I imagine Sisters could - even if it's extremely rare. The way they're pushing these on multiple Imperial armies has me worried the Guard will inevitably get one.

The Cursed City actually looks quite promising, from the tone to the models - or at least their silhouettes.

But its not a baby carrier its an exosuite. You can see her legs are well into the legs of the suit itself. whilst her arms are below the main weapon arms with controllers on them. It's vastly different to the Grey Knights design which is a huge armoured walker with a guy strapped on the front. The Sister isn't strapped on the front; she's in the very middle in the main trunk of the body.

Good thing is that the Sister inside has no legs so you just need to remove the arms and get a ok looking Dreadnought like design instead of the Baby Carrier

All in all good day for reveals. I’m anticipating the release of the new Warhammer quest the most. Tis a shame, it’s not Mordheim, or that + Mordheim, I remained hopeful until the minute they started thanking everyone for attending.

The sisters suit is pretty great. Of course it reminded me of the Grey Knight hideous thing, but the design they showed us today works.

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm really liking the Paragon Warsuit. The gun arm doesn't look like it would be that overly weedy if we were to be looking at it from the side instead of head on.

I would really like a good look at it's back as well.

 Esmer wrote:
Is there any particular reason why GW Vampires apparently feel that they can leave their arms entirely or partially unprotected? This is such a weird trend that started with the uglified Mannfred back during 7th (or was it 6th?).
They are donning heavy armor - which means they are concerned with their bodily protection - but leaving their weapon arm, including possible magic rings of regeneration and similar trinkets, exposed to being cut off by a skilled swing is fine?

Not just that; the first shown vampire with the two swords already had the interesting fashion choice of having armoured legs and an unarmoured torso, and if you look closely you see the guy with the big mace did something similar, with an exposed midriff. And, incidentally, two protruding spikes just below it, so as soon as he bends over a bit he's stabbing himself. No wonder he's standing still like a statue.
The leader would be basically perfect if he had armour on his arms, such a great sculpt otherwise.

Good preview overall ... except the SoB unit.

Never liked the GK Dreadknight suit and always hated the SM Centurions. As a result, I'm not surprised that I find the SoB equivalent to be ugly as hell.

The Direchasm / Warhammer Quest stuff was fantastic though.

 Ghaz wrote:


I'm really liking the Paragon Warsuit. The gun arm doesn't look like it would be that overly weedy if we were to be looking at it from the side instead of head on.

So a Nun, in a Suit that helps her move....

Can we all agree it's a Mobile Suit Nundam.....

Nundam.... yep that's what I'm calling it from now on.

Thankfully the suit did not get huge boobs on the front .

Love the cover art for the daughters of khaine battletome. Too bad they aren't getting more melusai miniatures that look like that.

The sororitas battlesuit was unexpected for me and probably my favorite reveal of the bunch.

Kill team box is the least interesting thing here if i'm being honest.

 kodos wrote:
Good thing is that the Sister inside has no legs so you just need to remove the arms and get a ok looking Dreadnought like design instead of the Baby Carrier

I really don't like it but maybe they are actually piloted by sisters who have lost their limbs as alt to replacement legs?

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
Is there any particular reason why GW Vampires apparently feel that they can leave their arms entirely or partially unprotected? This is such a weird trend that started with the uglified Mannfred back during 7th (or was it 6th?).
They are donning heavy armor - which means they are concerned with their bodily protection - but leaving their weapon arm, including possible magic rings of regeneration and similar trinkets, exposed to being cut off by a skilled swing is fine?

Not just that; the first shown vampire with the two swords already had the interesting fashion choice of having armoured legs and an unarmoured torso, and if you look closely you see the guy with the big mace did something similar, with an exposed midriff. And, incidentally, two protruding spikes just below it, so as soon as he bends over a bit he's stabbing himself. No wonder he's standing still like a statue.
The leader would be basically perfect if he had armour on his arms, such a great sculpt otherwise.

Knowing my vampire lore I kind of always figured vampires don't really 'need' armor for the most part besides to look scary and intimidating. I mean, they have vampire speed and can fly and turn into mist. Oh yea, and also they're extremely powerful spellcasters who can regenerate with dark magic. Full plate really only makes sense in like, a large scale conflict, which Underworlds is not.

Sooo... the helmet of the Nundam pilot has a fleur de ley - indicating a Celestian - but the robes are red, despite GW retconning Order of Our Martyred Lady Celestians to having black robes (post M998.M41).

I didn't hate the Sisters TAG when I first saw it, and the more I see it the more I actually like it. A helmet is needed, but overall: good model. If I played Sisters I'd get it.

 Darnok wrote:
I didn't hate the Sisters TAG when I first saw it, and the more I see it the more I actually like it. A helmet is needed, but overall: good model. If I played Sisters I'd get it.

My only issue with the Paragon Warsuit it the legs. The Sister's legs are clearly inside the legs of the suit. However:
1. The suit's legs are too far apart for a human to fit their legs in them.
2. The thighs of the suit are too long for the pilots knees to be at the suit's knees, but seem too short for their feet to fit in them above the knees.
3. While not uncommon in 40K models, this suit has no peripheral vision. She has less than a 180 degree view.

Otherwise, not bad. I'll probably end up picking one up.

The arms are a bit weedy too imo

Where are we at now with Imperial technology? The nundam looks like it would topple over after firing the shoulder weapons and be unable to get back up. Or it can sprint and jump around like a wraithknight. I don't know.

Bubbatron wrote:


So a Nun, in a Suit that helps her move....

Can we all agree it's a Mobile Suit Nundam.....

We certainly can.

Pretty much like all the reveals so far. The Sister Paragon Suits looks like a more sensible take on the Dreadnaught since it has actual legs to move and the Dreadknight since it makes an effort to protect the pilot and doesn't look too much like a cheap exoskeleton suit. Fortunately it has the option for an helmet else it would be fairly ridiculous.

The vampires loos fine, but I'm disappointed that there are no sneak peaks into what seems to be upcomming Soulblight Vampires in April/Mai as I have been waiting to see how they would shape up to be.

The new Lumineth Demigod is pretty cool, but would have probably looked just fine on the round instead of on a vortex of magical wind. It looks hard to paint correctly. WIth the new mounted-archers and the new hero, it adds nicely to the small range of Lumineth making them a bit more well rounded.

The best ones though are the Warhammer Quest Cursed City models. The Necromancer and Inquisitor look fething amazing. I'm eager to see the rest of the cast and the mobs of enemy since it could be particularly awesome.

With these new models and those announced for the Hedonist of Slaanesh, it seems to me that the modelist team in charge of AoS is producing stuff of really great quality and surprising diversity compared to the 40K that seems to be stuck in an endless loop of Marines, a sidegrade to Lelith and thankfully a nice looking Sister update.

That paragon warsuit looks fething stupid to me.

It looks like they started assembling it and just gave up halfway through.


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

But it's 40K, it has big guns, and it wants to hit things on the head.....it's all good

epronovost wrote:
Pretty much like all the reveals so far. The Sister Paragon Suits looks like a more sensible take on the Dreadnaught since it has actual legs to move and the Dreadknight since it makes an effort to protect the pilot and doesn't look too much like a cheap exoskeleton suit. Fortunately it has the option for an helmet else it would be fairly ridiculous.

The vampires loos fine, but I'm disappointed that there are no sneak peaks into what seems to be upcomming Soulblight Vampires in April/Mai as I have been waiting to see how they would shape up to be.

They've got a backlog already. While they want to preview some stuff, they want to hedge their bets somewhat on further delays. Showing off too much would lead to even more 'why isn't <X> out yet?' We still need to push through DA, DE, Slaanesh, Cosplay elfs, Kill Team and several underworlds warbands at this point, and that will probably go into April. Probably other stuff I'm forgetting as well.

I suspect Cursed City is going to bolster Soulblight the same way Silver Tower did for Disciples of Tzeentch. And we did get a bonus character preview earlier this week (though compared to the Crimson Court and Cursed City models, Rock-Surfer Bat-hair is pants)

First thing my mind goes to upon seeing the sister suit-



And if they want to copy that style of suit, I for one am all for it!

 vipoid wrote:
That paragon warsuit looks fething stupid to me.

It looks like they started assembling it and just gave up halfway through.


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

 vipoid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

Much to everyone's surprise, Play-doh was the last airbender.

 bullyboy wrote:
I like the model but do have to suspend belief. As stated, if the legs are inside the suit's "legs" there are multiple issues. If it were to walk, naturally the sister would want to use normal gait, and there is no way her knee joint can flex within the location of the upper thigh. The actual groin of the sister would have to be higher than suit groin to allow the legs to fit into the suit's legs, unless they separate her pelvis upon insertion into the suit!. So anatomically, it's a complete disaster, and from simple gait mechanics, a simple no go.
The only solution is it has to be a sister without legs, placed into the suit. If that's the case, she should have some neural connection to the suit to make the "legs" walk like normal legs. That doesn't appear to be the case.

It looks like the sister's crotch is about behind the suit's belt buckle. So her feet are probably behind the knees, meaning she'd have to goose-step around. Not a huge deal assuming some sort of cybernetic interface, as with the power armor.

But this is nothing compared to Terminator Armor levels of anatomical failure.

 vipoid wrote:
I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace. A bundle quiver can carry a lot of arrows but you risk grabbing more than one while reachin to it or pulling one out by accident while drawing another. Most often these types of quiver were used to carry arrows and then the archer would draw them and plant them in front of him before the battle started. Aso holding your bow on hte side is also common to relax the arm while notching a new arrow or for making a quick half draw shot at short rangge or when you are making a shot at something almost straight down at your feet. It's not the equivalent of the sideway pistol.

 vipoid wrote:


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

The swirl is because he's a wind guy. It could have been executed a bit better, but at least it's not as bad as the Celesant Prime. Having the fox's tapestries or whatever they are mixed in also looks kind of cool, but I'd be just as happy without it. From the angle, it's also hard to tell what exactly they're attached to.

As for why is it a mismatch of animals? Because that's what age of Sigmar does. They've got weird lizard lions (dracolines), a habit of giving everything twin tails, the Lumineth champion's mount is a bovine with paws, not hooves, I don't even know what that stormcast wizard is supposed to be on, etc. It's just the style (and probably an attempt to copyright every unique thing), and it's really hit or miss whether people like it or not. For the fox, I'm a bit more forgiving, since it's some elemental creature and honestly looks pretty cool. Also, since it's wearing a mask, you could just say it's horns are just part of it, not part of the real creature. I still don't like the moo-ntain, but this thing is cool, imo. Probably too expensive though

I won't defend the Paragon suit, however. 1) we've already got two walkers for SoB. 2)It looks like an armiger mixed with a dreadknight. 3) It's too sleek and lacks elements of other SoB units, like wood, fire/candles, etc. 4) I don't know where her feet are. Not her legs, her feet specifically. But hey, it's 40k and maybe they're literally built into the machine

Bubbatron wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:


I'm really liking the Paragon Warsuit. The gun arm doesn't look like it would be that overly weedy if we were to be looking at it from the side instead of head on.

So a Nun, in a Suit that helps her move....

Can we all agree it's a Mobile Suit Nundam.....

I'm torn between Nundam and Babe Carrier

Also! I'll point out again that GW's sculpting of hair these days is horrible.
It looks like the Nundam pilot is wearing a hat.

Could be the best preview in yonks.

Nothing on offer that I'd buy, but all good models and can't wait to see how others paint them.

The next WHQ had me worrying because I've only recently forked out for BSF and shelf space is getting very tight. Cursed City looks good but I've already got Castle Ravenloft and Frostgrave: Perilous Dark for hunting the undead on a sunday afternoon.

Not a fan of the Lumineth but that Fox-a-roo chap looks stunning! Somehow It reminds me of Ashitaka and Yakul from Princess Mononoke, somehow.

That sister looks like shes been watching a bit of Bubblegum Crisis and Monty Python. Crazy but I like it.

Direchasm Vamp team...might get them for Ravenloft and Frostgrave. Very cool...

The Daughters of Khaine stuff makes me wish I'd not bothered with 40K and chipped everything into AoS instead. How ****ing cool is that giant snake?

Bravo GW for mixing it up this time.

 vipoid wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

They are the element of wind, named basically after the hurricane. The swirls are obviously meant to imply that, sort of like a dust devil you see here in the western US. I'm actually a big fan and this direction the Lumineth are taking just got me to buy the starter set from Amazon.

Sorry, no. I don't buy that you need a swirly mess taller than the actual model just to get across 'wind'.

You got it backwards.

Miniature designers in the corner office made a model with swirly hurricane cause it is cool.

The rejects in the basement writing fluff and rules had to make-up "something" to sell it, as usual.

Well I enjoyed that- they showed less than I expected but teased an awful lot more -if that makes sense! I was expecting to see more of the SOB and the Lumineth stuff but it seems they are getting more than expected. The Lumineth release looks like a huge addition - hopefully they start doing this for other factions. Love the vamp sculpts - really beautiful and I like the nods to the different blood lines. The lady duelist is still my favourite but the guy with the wings is excellent.
Really interested in Cursed City- hoping that is a Kurnothi hunter as opposed to a wanderer, hope the Kharadron model is good and maybe something we haven't seen [rather than just a Grundstock/Skyrigger etc..]. Happy with all that plenty to look forward to seeing more of in the upcoming months.

The Nundam... Oy. I don't get this thing GW seem to have with strapping people to the front of walkers. It made some amount of sense for the penitent engine, but here... I would have just made a Sisters Contemptor variant instead.

Swirly McSwirlybase is absurd, and will last, I expect, about three and a half seconds in the miniatures case before the base snaps off. As with so many of GW's recent character releases, would probably be badass with the swirly stuff ripped off.

The new vampire stuff all looks considerably better than Rocksurfer Lord and the Hairdresser of the Damned, so that's a plus.

And Warhammer Quest Reboot guy looks bloody fantastic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The arms are a bit weedy too imo

They are metal. If anything, they are too thick, seeing they have no limbs inside and only carry man-portable weapons. You could probably lift whole suit, pilot and all, by one of these, not just a multimelta...

epronovost wrote:
For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace.

Yup, I really like how armchair experts here take one look at weapon clearly based on real life, long used design and declare it to be unrealistic

I don't think there was one recent GW release without such complains, see SM desert buggy, elf bows, vampire maces, and a ton more examples...

 vipoid wrote:
And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

Design-wise, I think the horns are there to balance the model vertically. It would potentially look a little bottom heavy without them, unless you also removed the swirly gak... Although it does at least look like both horns and swirly gak would be quite easy to remove.

 Irbis wrote:

I don't think there was one recent GW release without such complains, see SM desert buggy, elf bows, vampire maces, and a ton more examples...

Honestly, everyone should know by now that real life vampires prefer maces.

Quite like the nundam, just looks a little top heavy and legless-piloty to me..

I think the sister warsuit would have been much better if it was just fully Enclosed like a dreadnought.

The SoB walker looks stupid, because it has too humanlike legs and the pilot's upper body is visible. It creates a really jarring impression of a person with bizarrely oversized legs.

The other vampires look good, actually a little surprised. Not sure if they are my fav vampires but good.

The sisters in mech suits I love. Now I admit some parts are silly and they are not for everyone to be sure. I liked centurions though, and these feel like a mix between centurions and dread knights.

Now stay with me now, I liked the centurions and dread knight despite their visual oddity flaws. So as long as these aren't obscene expensive, I'm in I'll get at least one box of them if not more. Depends on unit set up, though they look like they'd be roughly the sisters take on armiger knight.


Edit: I also like it'll drive people crazy to have to see it, sometimes that in itself is worth every penny.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


Edit: I also like it'll drive people crazy to have to see it, sometimes that in itself is worth every penny.

It's the new Distraction Carnifex. Your opponent will be too busy trying to kill it turn one and get it off the table, they won't focus on your exorcists and immolators

The Paragon Warsuit just reminds me of the Dreadknight, but it's not quite that bad. The body part of it looks fine, and the general idea isn't terrible, but the thin arms, long dangling unsecured cables, and exposed head just make it look silly.

It would have been nice if they'd done something to tie it into the theming of the army in somehow too really, like how they've already got a Battle Pulpit and Exorcist that use the religious theming in an interesting way. The only thing that comes to mind right away is something more like having it stylized as an elaborate mobile/living statue though.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 vipoid wrote:


Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

The swirl is because he's a wind guy. It could have been executed a bit better, but at least it's not as bad as the Celesant Prime. Having the fox's tapestries or whatever they are mixed in also looks kind of cool, but I'd be just as happy without it. From the angle, it's also hard to tell what exactly they're attached to.

The Tapestries are attached to the swirly part, i noticed it in the 2 days ago rumour pic where we saw the base and seems to be glued over a plane section of the swirly blending both parts together.
It's way more nopticeable in the black and white image.

Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 kodos wrote:
Good thing is that the Sister inside has no legs so you just need to remove the arms and get a ok looking Dreadnought like design instead of the Baby Carrier

I really don't like it but maybe they are actually piloted by sisters who have lost their limbs as alt to replacement legs?

Or could they fit there in sitting position ala tau suits?


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 vipoid wrote:

Regarding AoS, is Lumineth not the elf faction? Why does it have cowmen and now fox-people?

Eh they have one big cow and one big fox...Which are spirits.

That's like asking "isn't cities of sigmar human faction? Why does it have griffon? It's griffon faction!"

That aside, this fox dude seems like a potentially good model, which has been ruined by the designers sticking a pile of unnecessary crap to him. Why did he need to be riding atop a stupid pillar of swirling nonsense? Is it supposed to represent GW's own vortex of ineptitude? And if it's meant to be a fox, why does it need a pair of horns? They just look completely stupid and out of place. It's a shame because I think the mask is actually quite nice, but the unnecessary horns ruin it completely for me.

a) it's wind. It's wind temple
b) you assume fantasy creatures are 100% carbon copies of our world. Funny thing that. It's FANTASY world. It's own creatures born out of their own evolutionary cycle. Last time I checked AOS isn't marketed as our world X years in future.


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epronovost wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
I'm also not sure what was wrong with regular quivers or why fox-people are wilding bows when they clearly have no clue how to hold them, but these are more minor complaints.

For your information the fanned quiver is used for quicker draw of arrows by horsemen. It was a common thing in East Asia where horse archery was commonplace. A bundle quiver can carry a lot of arrows but you risk grabbing more than one while reachin to it or pulling one out by accident while drawing another. Most often these types of quiver were used to carry arrows and then the archer would draw them and plant them in front of him before the battle started. Aso holding your bow on hte side is also common to relax the arm while notching a new arrow or for making a quick half draw shot at short rangge or when you are making a shot at something almost straight down at your feet. It's not the equivalent of the sideway pistol.

Reminds me of complain here of bow that was shorter on bottom than top complaining how bad it is ignoring that it's actually real world design that has been used


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The Paragon Warsuit just reminds me of the Dreadknight, but it's not quite that bad. The body part of it looks fine, and the general idea isn't terrible, but the thin arms, long dangling unsecured cables, and exposed head just make it look silly.

It would have been nice if they'd done something to tie it into the theming of the army in somehow too really, like how they've already got a Battle Pulpit and Exorcist that use the religious theming in an interesting way. The only thing that comes to mind right away is something more like having it stylized as an elaborate mobile/living statue though.

BTW odds are there are helmet options. Surely people don't expect these to be exactly that 1 model in same pose only? Would look silly unit.

Is there any clue when the next preview will be?

tneva82 wrote:

BTW odds are there are helmet options. Surely people don't expect these to be exactly that 1 model in same pose only? Would look silly unit.

No need to guess. Just watch the video.

Clearly shows variants with helms, mace instead of sword, Heavy Bolter/Heavy Flamer instead of the Multi-Melta, Shoulder-Missiles instead of Shoulder-Bolters, etc.., etc.,

The Sister suit is as bad as I expected additions to the Sisters line to look. It was clear from very early on that the current model designers would fail miserably on designs where they don't have classic models to lean on.

I'm largely indifferent on Kill Team. Nice models, might be cool as a board game by itself if that is what the board is for, but I really just want a box of Flayed Ones, so it's probably not going to be of interest to me.

The titan is pretty cool. It's got that brutal Imperial design visible in some of the old sketches nailed down, but with modern sculpting. Biggerer and betterer is of no interest to me one way or another, but just based on its look it's a titan I'd like to add to my small Titanicus collection.

Lumineth aren't for me, so whatever. Spirit of the wind largely consisting of swirly crap was foreseeable.

The vampire warband is nice and of interest to me. Not too sure about wing guy, but the others certainly look nice overall.

Warhammer Quest is the standout reveal for me. What they showed looks great and I like the potential of what's hinted at. I got this weird deja vu feel from the fully shown undead model, in the kind of "cool but not Warhammer" sense like its from some video game or horror movie, but it's cool and for once the "Eavy Metal paintjob doesn't look too shabby on it. Very much looking forward to the release of this box for the models, but I hope the game will be good, too. I really liked Silver Tower, even if it was limited. A more expansive dungeon crawl game wouldn't go amiss.

As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

Don't worry, GW, we didn't want any of our HQs, units, or wargear back. Clearly giving SoB the Dreadknight equivalent absolutely no one was asking for is far more important.

Xenos wise I'd be content if Dark Eldar, Tyranids and Tau didn't get big updates this edition. Necrons didn't "need" the update they got but they got a freaking good one that's brought almost everything barring the heroes and old C'tan into modern plastics.

Craftworld Eldar need the update most of all the factions; when even their core infantry are almost first generation plastics and such and when a huge part of their theme (aspect warriors) are still running around in finecast and even metal.

Let this edition be Craftworld and Necron; Tau, DE and Tyranids can have a drip-feed edition of one or two new models here and there.


And if a "new army" appears let it be Tau allies - ergo likely a kroot core with lots of xenos varied allies built around it.



Heck redoing most of the Craftworld would at least let GW's new pet Yinnari do something.

Assuming that DE are coming before DA that is.

But yes, GW seem to relish in the "here are kits you don't need or didn't ask for", while completely ignoring Aeldari needs at the most basic level. Marines at this point are at a ridiculous level (don't see too many people dying to field the bunker or servo turret), and sisters have a great new range. The dead horse can no longer be beaten any flatter than it already is.

The sister walker looks awful. Maybe if you used the helmeted head and cut the sister's arms off so it just looked like a bot instead, then maybe it would look okay?

 BertBert wrote:
Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

GW these days isn't great at coming up with new concepts. The Vampire counts aren't a new concept, just throw some cool armour on a cool pose and it's all good.

I think part of what makes the Vampires look good is they don't have overly complicated poses like a lot of modern GW figures. They're not bounding off terrain or doing some weird gymnastics, they're just standing there like badasses.

Yeah GW sucks at new canoptek walkes and hexmark destroyers and trilegged destroyers.


I do admit some of the new primaris machines are bit questionable (looking at you go-kart and "Alien loader scout mech); but I think the SoB stuff is solid.

I think there's just some kits people gush over en-mass and others where there is variation in the market. One big element is how many SoB players are keen for the model rather than those of us who are simply on the side-lines as it were and not committed SoB players (and ergo won't be buying the model even if it was pure awesome incarnate).

I also think its always best to reserve final judgement until the model is out in the wild and people have actually seen it in person. Sometimes you have to see and hold and work with a model to really decide if you like it or not. Sometimes even just a different paint scheme can turn some people from loathing a model to loving it.



Though at least GW always gives us photos of actual models - too many firms today give out only 3D renderings with limited photos which makes it hard to even judge the scale of detailing and final quality.

Only thing I’m not massively keen on with the Nundam is the heavy bolter’s ammo hopper.

Just looks too chunky.

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The sister walker looks awful. Maybe if you used the helmeted head and cut the sister's arms off so it just looked like a bot instead, then maybe it would look okay?

 BertBert wrote:
Between the sisterbot and the Vampires/Cursed City one really has to wonder why there is such a massive gap in design quality.

GW these days isn't great at coming up with new concepts. The Vampire counts aren't a new concept, just throw some cool armour on a cool pose and it's all good.

I don't know. GW has made some cool things recently. The Fox elemental is cool, but the kangaroo riders and Moontain aren't. The new undead guy from Quest is really awesome, unless you consider it just an undead with fancy gear. The new Crypteks are all really cool. But like some people have said, AOS is getting all the really creative stuff and 40k is getting whatever the paragon suit is

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Nothing for DA isn't surprising. That's when we'll finally see the extraneous marine releases finished- the stormspeeder and eradicator box are all that's left now? HI and Captain are stuffed into the kill team box, and preorder for bladeguard is the 30th.

DE just looks like its an unfortunate, intentional miss. Even just a couple things to replace finecast (mandrakes, grotesques, beasts) would have gone a long way to show GW has some interest in supporting the eldar lines at all.

At this point they really need to make Craftworlds the big 40k release of 2021. So much of that range is gakked.

The sister exosuit is actually what I'd consider "perfect" for an imperial look. It's got the gothic trims, it's clearly hi-tech in places, but it's high-tech applied by barbarians essentially. I do enjoy some of the primarines looks, but they are a bit too...sensible to fit imperial philosophy.

The Sisters exosuit feels like such a waste of development time, when so many cool things in that army don’t have plastic kits yet. I’d honestly rather be getting a kit for crusaders or death cult assassins.

Voss wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Nothing for DA isn't surprising. That's when we'll finally see the extraneous marine releases finished- the stormspeeder and eradicator box are all that's left now? HI and Captain are stuffed into the kill team box, and preorder for bladeguard is the 30th.

DE just looks like its an unfortunate, intentional miss. Even just a couple things to replace finecast (mandrakes, grotesques, beasts) would have gone a long way to show GW has some interest in supporting the eldar lines at all.

At this point they really need to make Craftworlds the big 40k release of 2021. So much of that range is gakked.

As a loooong time Craftworlds player. I think it’s just time we all accept that it’s never getting updated. I mean they redid practically the whole Necron line and CWE are still saddled with kits older than dirt. With the massive insult that was Blood of the Phoenix GW showed that they do not, have not, and will not ever refresh that line. More than likely the new Banshees and Jain Zar were just some old kits they had sitting around for years and just needed to dump out, there’s no way you can convince me they’re working on anything Eldar related.

At this point my guess is that they are trying to figure out what to do with Craftworlds. I believe Ynnari was the original plan but that has probably changed due various factors.

Yinnari I think came from the same manager/team as Primaris.

Primaris were likely just going to be the revamped new space marine sculpts; add a few extra units and we're done like before. Only somoene came up with the idea to make them a separate force within the army instead. Which is why so many of their original models and new ones are basically revamped space marine model designs. Heck the new Primaris this week is a new landspeeder.

Yinnari is the same kind of idea; though instead of releasing a new army its all about taking two Xenos armies and making a 3rd from the combined models. GW doesn't have to release much more than one or two models and the rest come from the existing model lines. However no one reminded them that the vast majority of Craftworld are super old models and many key models (like aspects) were all unpopular finecast and even some metal.

So it sort of hit a brick wall. Perhaps their plan was to formally merge the two and dump old models and keep newer ones - don't revamp the guardians say that craftworlders died out and were replaced with DE warriors etc...


Regardless Craftworld are standing out as being really behind the times right now and that holds Yinnari back as well.

I think there's a snowball effect at work. A range like Sisters or Primaris already looks in good shape so it already has a bunch of players or collectors and so new kits have a guaranteed audience. A range like Craftworld Eldar in particular needs so much work to bring it up to date - never mind to expand it - that just putting out two or three new kits in a single won't be enough. There isn't enough of an audience to buy it. What they have to do instead is set up a wholescale Death Guard or Necrons scale release and put out a swathe of stuff in one go. That takes a lot of design and production resources. I'm sure they will do it eventually.

Personally I don't mind the Nunwalker. I think the one holding the mace looks the best. But then I like (and have) the Dreadknight also. The only thing I don't like about the Nunwalker is that when that leg showed up on as a preview image I had really hoped it was for some sort of heavy Skitarri for the Ad Mech.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

It Is that way round yeah.
But I never expected anything for DA except the remaining marine kits.

I would see Ynnari was a test to see how popular they are and how much work they should put into it

and for a full re-design of the range (as new plastic kits for most models)
it would be 4-5 years after the Ynnari sales proofed to be worth it

soviet13 wrote:
I think there's a snowball effect at work. A range like Sisters or Primaris already looks in good shape so it already has a bunch of players or collectors and so new kits have a guaranteed audience.

Sisters only just had a full range revamp - almost the entire range - early last year. They got then what Craftworld basically needs as well. Sisters were really old too and most were still in metal even the infantry options. Right now Sisters are rocking a fully modern army where only a few units are left in finecast and there's a huge amount in plastic.

 Overread wrote:
Yinnari I think came from the same manager/team as Primaris.

Primaris were likely just going to be the revamped new space marine sculpts; add a few extra units and we're done like before. Only somoene came up with the idea to make them a separate force within the army instead. Which is why so many of their original models and new ones are basically revamped space marine model designs. Heck the new Primaris this week is a new landspeeder.

Yinnari is the same kind of idea; though instead of releasing a new army its all about taking two Xenos armies and making a 3rd from the combined models. GW doesn't have to release much more than one or two models and the rest come from the existing model lines. However no one reminded them that the vast majority of Craftworld are super old models and many key models (like aspects) were all unpopular finecast and even some metal.

So it sort of hit a brick wall. Perhaps their plan was to formally merge the two and dump old models and keep newer ones - don't revamp the guardians say that craftworlders died out and were replaced with DE warriors etc...


Regardless Craftworld are standing out as being really behind the times right now and that holds Yinnari back as well.

The original idea I am willing to bet on(and I have posted before) is that the intention was to make three separate Aeldari forces.

- Wraith Aeldari. Remember all the Iyanden supplements and the wraithknight, wraith flyer, wraithguard with 4 different options? I am willing to bet the intention was to make a very distinct faction that was the undead Aeldari.
- Covens. They also got a supplement and we got the Wrack kit that had bits to make your vehicles using wrack bits.
- Ynnari. The rest. The ones who do not believe in body modifications(Covens) or don't want to be wraiths(Wraith Aeldari) as it starves their new deity.

Then management changed and plans changed and we have this weird leftovers from this original idea.

That's my guess.

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Based on what we know about how GWs design studio operates, 99% probability that the entirety of the plastic redesigns for Craftworlds, and probably quite a bit of new kits as well, have already been sculpted, some of them have probably gone through the engineering process, and are just waiting to have molds cut and plastics produced. Its a question of when, not if.

Hopefully with DA being on preorder next weekend it’ll only be 4 weeks until we can get hold of the new Drukhari book. I mean heaven forbid we couldn’t let a xenos release squeeze ahead of yet more power armour!

 bullyboy wrote:

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

I thought it was DA in Feb, then DE in March.

Admittedly, not seeing anything for either was a bit odd, now I think about it.

Yes. Indeed da preorder next saturday

And psychomancer. Wooo!

We've finally caught up to... October's codexes.
Well, whenever Kill team comes out.

DA, I think, have the absolute worst Combat Patrol yet. I realize these are the multi-part kits, but the mini-starter version of Know No Fear was a better deal for these marines.

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Hmm. It has better stuff than the other boxes, but less stuff also. There seems to be 5 infantry models missing

The Sister-suit feels like it would have been more at home with the Knights than the Sisters. Bit of a missed opportunity there, I'd say.

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

You aren't considering the potential stratagems for the dark angel inceptors, especially if they get weapons of the dark age or a version of it.

We also don't know the full dark angel super doctrine as of yet, could be plasma based (probably not). Wait for the rules before making hyperbole judgements on box sets.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

You aren't considering the potential stratagems for the dark angel inceptors, especially if they get weapons of the dark age or a version of it.

We also don't know the full dark angel super doctrine as of yet, could be plasma based (probably not). Wait for the rules before making hyperbole judgements on box sets.

Wasn't aware the DA supplement would change the price of the redemptor, change the availablity of several starter boxes full of intercessors, or reduce the number of primaris chaplain releases.

 Eldarsif wrote:
At this point my guess is that they are trying to figure out what to do with Craftworlds. I believe Ynnari was the original plan but that has probably changed due various factors.

Including that dark eldar and CWE do not belong on the same side of the table, ever...

 jeff white wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
At this point my guess is that they are trying to figure out what to do with Craftworlds. I believe Ynnari was the original plan but that has probably changed due various factors.

Including that dark eldar and CWE do not belong on the same side of the table, ever...

The Dark Eldar helped a craftworld against the Tryanids because they found their descent into necromancy amusing.

On occassion the enemy of my enemy and all that.

Voss wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Voss wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

No, deathwatch has the worst box set.

This is a great box for a starting DA player. Plasma Inceptors, plasma dread, chaplain and intercessors. Goes a long way.

Legitimately baffled. DW and BA are the only two I'd even consider buying.

Plasma inceptors are basically anti-synergy to the DA chapter tactic, and are expensive suicide squads.
There are tons of primaris chaplains at this point, 5 intercessors are basically filler (with much cheaper sources) and you're not getting enough of a discount on the redemptor dread through this box.

You aren't considering the potential stratagems for the dark angel inceptors, especially if they get weapons of the dark age or a version of it.

We also don't know the full dark angel super doctrine as of yet, could be plasma based (probably not). Wait for the rules before making hyperbole judgements on box sets.

Wasn't aware the DA supplement would change the price of the redemptor, change the availablity of several starter boxes full of intercessors, or reduce the number of primaris chaplain releases.

I know it's probably not as great a box to some people as others (£ value wise) but you are still getting £119 worth for £85 worth in the box, breakdown below.

*£9 upgrade sprue
•£22.50 Chaplain
•£40 Redemptor
•£30 Inceptors
•£17.50 half box intercessors

Additionally these are full customisable kits, unlike some of these options from starter boxes.

I can see the value for a dark angel player anyway. Interrogator chaplains could also be amazing for all we know, like I said, let's wait for the rules.

The DA box is retail $180, exactly the same as the Deathwatch one. I'd rather have the more useful in 9th Redemptor, than 5 more intercessors and an Lt. And currently, inceptors are doing more work than Aggressors.
Personally think the BA one is the best so far, but the DA one is good.

edit: forgot the upgrade sprues, but that's a wash anyway

 bullyboy wrote:
The DA box is retail $180, exactly the same as the Deathwatch one. I'd rather have the more useful in 9th Redemptor, than 5 more intercessors and an Lt. And currently, inceptors are doing more work than Aggressors.
Personally think the BA one is the best so far, but the DA one is good.

edit: forgot the upgrade sprues, but that's a wash anyway

I think there may only be one upgrade sprue in the DA which could make a bigger difference value wise, however the rest have 2x so it may also have 2x which bumps the value of it up even more.

 vipoid wrote:
As an aside, I can't help but notice that DE are meant to be the next 40k codex and they got 0 previews. I guess Lolfish Hamchops is all DE are getting on that front.

Don't worry, GW, we didn't want any of our HQs, units, or wargear back. Clearly giving SoB the Dreadknight equivalent absolutely no one was asking for is far more important.

At this point, it's best to hope we don't lose even more unit options with those whats in the box design choices. Then we may get next to nothing new and have some units ( namely scourges ) end up in the crapper.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Based on what we know about how GWs design studio operates, 99% probability that the entirety of the plastic redesigns for Craftworlds, and probably quite a bit of new kits as well, have already been sculpted, some of them have probably gone through the engineering process, and are just waiting to have molds cut and plastics produced. Its a question of when, not if.

I haven't had a good chuckle in a while chief!!
have an exalt.

Bleedin' 'eck. You take a simple 7 days off from posting and GW slap a preview right in the middle of it. Gah!

So, doing this quickly...

Mobile Suit Nundum
I actually said "oh no!" out loud during the cool stained glass part of the video. Overall I am neutral leaning to "ok" with the Nundam suits. At least they are what the Baby Carrier should (and would) have been, with the legs going into the legs of the suit, rather than hanging there.

I want to know what the shoulder guns are. They don't look like bolt weapons.

Kill-Team: The Paywall Nexus
Really GW? Fething really? You're going to delay releasing Heavy Intercessors even further by slapping them in a giant and no-doubt hyper-expensive box for a game you essentially abandoned over a year ago?

And you think that pitting them up against 5 measly Flayed Ones is fair? And you think that 5 Flayed Ones in a box is a good idea. A box we can't even buy because, like with the Heavy Intercessors, you've chosen to delay them further by putting them into this box.

And the terrain... talk about low effort junk. This release is a travesty.

Adeptus BattleTechius
Eventually I'll break and get this game. The BTech player in me looks at it and just wants it all. The new titan is amazing. Love it.

Age of Sigmar: Fursona Aelfs
I burst out laughing when that fox-alope thing appeared. Man. Talk about over-design. And more of GW's patented "swirly bull gak", which now has an official name: Hurakan™

I do appreciate that it's quiver is missing one arrow. That's attention to detail.

Also major props for a preview video that hides more than it shows. That must be some sort of new artform GW has invented.

The Endless Spells are great (well, not the whirly weapon one - that was the "oh God we need a third one, but what?" entry for this box). Snake's ace, and the big fist is cool. I don't play AoS and yet I want most of the Endless Spell boxes.

Dire Chasm - Vampire's Suck!
Holy crap. They're gorgeous. The Enforcer, with his giant feth off mace is the best, but I love the dual sword girl as well.

I must have them. I don't even play Underworlds.

Warhammer Quest - The Search for More Money!
This looks great, the aesthetic and tone seems deep and engrossing, the minis (so far) look fantastic.

It's going to be a massive rip-off however, especially if it gets BSF-style expansions. And it's not really Quest because there's no development. You're playing set named characters that someone else invented.

Phew! I think that's everything. GW did a great job of showing off tons of stuff this time.

Hi Everyone, I cam here as a last resort: Can anyone explain to me how GW release system works?

I searched wide and large on the internet to understand when the Paragon warsuit will be available to buy.
At the same time, Gorzag gitstompa.. Where can I buy it? I can't find it on the GW website and I can't find it on the element games website as well.
Am I missing something? Are they only available in GW store at the moment? If that's the case, how does one goes about to buy them during the lockdown? That does not make any sense.

Honestly stumped... Can anyone help me understand how does one go about buying those models?

Thanks

The preview shows things coming out at some point in the future, they do not yet have release dates. Normally around 5-6pm GMT on a Sunday GW will preview the pre-orders that will go live on the following Saturday. Other than that you might get a date here and there but otherwise that's when you'll find out.

Gorzag was only sold in GW stores over christmas and then on the GW webstore for a limited time only. I'm unsure if he's been up for individual sale yet on the store or not (I've not kept track). If he has then the only place to get him now is ebay/forums/facebook groups. Though if he's print on demand then it might take al ong while before those orders get processed by GW

 Celestino2 wrote:
Hi Everyone, I cam here as a last resort: Can anyone explain to me how GW release system works?

I searched wide and large on the internet to understand when the Paragon warsuit will be available to buy.
At the same time, Gorzag gitstompa.. Where can I buy it? I can't find it on the GW website and I can't find it on the element games website as well.
Am I missing something? Are they only available in GW store at the moment? If that's the case, how does one goes about to buy them during the lockdown? That does not make any sense.

Honestly stumped... Can anyone help me understand how does one go about buying those models?

Thanks

Dunno when the warsuit will be available, I'd guess some time in the next couple of months. They'll likely have another preview prior to preorder, then 1 week preorder followed by being able to buy it in stores.

You might have missed Gorzag, he was available in GW stores at the end of December, then on the online store at the start of Jan, but as made to order which typically means only 1 week to order him.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Really GW? Fething really? You're going to delay releasing Heavy Intercessors even further by slapping them in a giant and no-doubt hyper-expensive box for a game you essentially abandoned over a year ago?

Primaris Players deserved that little slap in the face, so they can feel like every other faction at least once in the past several years.

I will never understand the petty need to blame space marine players for space marine releases.

 Sentineil wrote:
I will never understand the petty need to blame space marine players for space marine releases.

Maybe it's because they're almost entirely at fault?

Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

 Galas wrote:
Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

Them buying stuff they like prevents anyone else from getting stuff they like.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

Them buying stuff they like prevents anyone else from getting stuff they like.

I mean, that's kind of how companies work: they make stuff people want to buy, and if more people want to buy one thing than another thing, well...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

Them buying stuff they like prevents anyone else from getting stuff they like.

LMAO just buy more.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

Them buying stuff they like prevents anyone else from getting stuff they like.

You could always spend more to match them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Adeptus BattleTechius
Eventually I'll break and get this game. The BTech player in me looks at it and just wants it all. The new titan is amazing. Love it.

That you don't already own a bazillion titans is the most surprising thing I've read all week.

I just took all my long stockpiled stuff out of shrinkwrap and it's glorious.

 Galas wrote:
Why are you buying stuff I don't like?!

Why do your words hurt me so much?

What a clown show this place becomes when folks seriously come out and blame other consumers for what they enjoy being under-represented.

Dread Master wrote:
What a clown show this place becomes when folks seriously come out and blame other consumers for what they enjoy being under-represented.

Why would they NOT be to blame though.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
What a clown show this place becomes when folks seriously come out and blame other consumers for what they enjoy being under-represented.

Why would they NOT be to blame though.

Because you are the one slacking on your purchases.

JSG wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
What a clown show this place becomes when folks seriously come out and blame other consumers for what they enjoy being under-represented.

Why would they NOT be to blame though.

Because you are the one slacking on your purchases.

Actually its even worse than that!

Not only is he slacking in buying enough Xenos models, but he's also doing insufficient positive promotion of non-marine armies! A smear campaign is nothing without an even more powerful counter campaign to promote your angle as well! Otherwise all those marine players you turn away from playing marines will all end up doing something daft like buying into Chaos Marines instead of into proper 40K Xenos forces!

This is just victim blaming lol

No, it's just natural selection. Eventually the poor weak Xenos players are picked off, leaving the strong Primaris to survive.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
No, it's just natural selection. Eventually the poor weak Xenos players are picked off, leaving the strong Primaris to survive.

BAH! Vile Anti-Xenos propaganda! All know the Xenos are greater united than the feeble marine! Why else would they have to bolster their ranks with double the model range?
It's the only way they can stand against the might that is the Xenos!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I burst out laughing when that fox-alope thing appeared. Man. Talk about over-design. And more of GW's patented "swirly bull gak", which now has an official name: Hurakan™

You kidding mate? Celestant Prime is still around. Hurricane Hurakan doesn't even have any random bling flying around in his!

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Sentineil wrote:
I will never understand the petty need to blame space marine players for space marine releases.

Maybe it's because they're almost entirely at fault?

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Them buying stuff they like prevents anyone else from getting stuff they like.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
What a clown show this place becomes when folks seriously come out and blame other consumers for what they enjoy being under-represented.

Why would they NOT be to blame though.

Took me a while, but... you're actually serious aren't you?

If you want to blame anyone, blame GW. People buying new Marines isn't preventing you from buying new non-Marines. GW not making whatever new non-Marines you are interested in is preventing you from buying them.

You are exactly the same as the Marine players and customers. You want new toys, and when they are released, you buy new toys. It's what they do, it's what you (want to) do.
Ah, you might say, but is the reason GW releases new Marines not that people buy new Marines?
Indeed it is. It's an ongoing cycle where new releases breed popularity which breeds new releases. But that's not the whole picture. New Sisters of Battle were apparently a big hit despite having limited popularity before precisely because of the original lack and new abundance of new models. All those new AoS factions had 0 popularity due to not existing before, and now they have (sometimes rather extensive) ranges of modern plastics.
So, as said, blame GW for not taking chances more often and investing in the underrepresented factions rather than releasing yet another flavour of Marine.

But, if you want to go around blaming GW or anyone else for that matter, please don't do it here, I've seen enough News threads devolve into that discussion now.
Though, out of solidarity, I won't buy the new Sisters Nundam until the Xenos factions get some love. Yes, that's the real reason I won't buy it, nothing to do with absolutely hating the whole concept. You're welcome.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I burst out laughing when that fox-alope thing appeared. Man. Talk about over-design. And more of GW's patented "swirly bull gak", which now has an official name: Hurakan™

You kidding mate? Celestant Prime is still around. Hurricane Hurakan doesn't even have any random bling flying around in his!

Over design? I just see a fox bro in armour with a bow doing a swish pose. Over design would surely add an obnoxious amount of random detail that doesn’t make sense and make it too busy. But this model doesn’t look busy to me or over worked. Just looks like a cool bro with a bow.
Yeah it has a swirl under it to show it’s kicking up magic wind, being a spirit of wind, but it’s pretty tasteful to me, as Ninth said, it doesn’t have random junk swirling around in the magic wind or anything like that.

Feel free to hate the model though, just don’t agree with it being over-designed.

Honestly if you hate the swish you can easily clip those parts, add a tower or rock for it to be jumping off to maintain height and pose and do that.

AoS is far more showy and grand with its magic and fantastical elements. Heck didn't we recently have a huge argument thread on if Old World was Low or High magic? Based mostly on the fact that the lore was always quite high magic, but the tabletop side often appeared more muted (even if you had rat men and such running around they were still carrying regular spears and the like).

The only downside to the swish is practicality, it takes longer to paint the lil' dangly bits and they are pretty much impossible to fit into a normal sized foam box so you gotta magnetize them and carry in their own container.
Celestant Prime has many issues, looking like he's Voltron with all the square animal bits being the main one, the swirls are really the best part of it imo.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly if you hate the swish you can easily clip those parts, add a tower or rock for it to be jumping off to maintain height and pose and do that.

Of course, you're still paying for the extra "swish" anyway. In €, the Lumineth Stonemage is a tenner (almost 50%) more expensive than the Cathallar precisely because of its elaborate base. And this will be quite something being a larger figure anyway.
Though the fact that it connects with ribbons to the tornado thingy should indeed make it relatively straightforward to, if desired, remove the whole contraptions, and as you say it's not a bad pose for a running/leaping model in terms of the position of the legs.

We're not quite sure on the size yet for the Spirit. It might be Avatar of Ynnead sized rather than Spirit of the Mountain sized.

It's possibly the 80mm base rather than 100 or higher. If it's the 80? It's large but not ridiculously large.

Though I am for sure hoping that the streamers can be clipped from the wind bits or get 'clipped in'. Having it leaping off a large tree would be a delight.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We're not quite sure on the size yet for the Spirit. It might be Avatar of Ynnead sized rather than Spirit of the Mountain sized.

It's possibly the 80mm base rather than 100 or higher. If it's the 80? It's large but not ridiculously large.

Though I am for sure hoping that the streamers can be clipped from the wind bits or get 'clipped in'. Having it leaping off a large tree would be a delight.

If I were to take a guess, I would guess it's closer to Ynnead than the Spirit of the Mountain.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I burst out laughing when that fox-alope thing appeared. Man. Talk about over-design. And more of GW's patented "swirly bull gak", which now has an official name: Hurakan™

You kidding mate? Celestant Prime is still around. Hurricane Hurakan doesn't even have any random bling flying around in his!

Over design? I just see a fox bro in armour with a bow doing a swish pose. Over design would surely add an obnoxious amount of random detail that doesn’t make sense and make it too busy. But this model doesn’t look busy to me or over worked. Just looks like a cool bro with a bow.
Yeah it has a swirl under it to show it’s kicking up magic wind, being a spirit of wind, but it’s pretty tasteful to me, as Ninth said, it doesn’t have random junk swirling around in the magic wind or anything like that.

Feel free to hate the model though, just don’t agree with it being over-designed.

I am only disagreeing with Hurakan being named official swirly gak mascot when CPrime is clearly the stronger contender.

Cronch wrote:
The only downside to the swish is practicality, it takes longer to paint the lil' dangly bits and they are pretty much impossible to fit into a normal sized foam box so you gotta magnetize them and carry in their own container.
Celestant Prime has many issues, looking like he's Voltron with all the square animal bits being the main one, the swirls are really the best part of it imo.

Wel, also that it's super ugly and overpriced for the ugliness. The play-doh base decorations are a laundry list of negatives. Even worse than tactical rocks and 'dynamic' poses.