This brings up a good point, if squat wishlisting is now old hat in the face of the impending release of Votan, where does the community go now? Exodite eldar?
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
But they already have short-ranged double-barrelled flamers
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
But they already have short-ranged double-barrelled flamers
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
But they already have short-ranged double-barrelled flamers
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
You lads can pretend all you like but a chainfist shotgun and a plasma shotgun would be rad as hell.
All Votaan weapons will be "shotguns" for some reason, even though it makes no sense.
I look forwards to seeing amongst others, the...
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
But they already have short-ranged double-barrelled flamers
But do they have pump action revolver flamers?
You bet your sweet ass their infantry will
I... I think I'd make my first GW purchase since 2015
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
- Flamer shotgun
- Meltashotgun
- Plasma shotgun
- Chainfist shotgun
- Ion shotgun
- Combi-shotgun
- The dreaded weapon of the Living Ancestors, the Force Shotgun
You forgot the Shotgun shotgun.
I did consider it, honest.
Since they seem to be bringing back the old stuff, how about a Web-shotgun?
Rarely are these rumor engines as clear as this one is. But this is 100% the Thunderhammer with attached Mass Driver that was mentioned in one of the recent "weapons of the Votann" articles from the WC site.
Togusa wrote: Rarely are these rumor engines as clear as this one is. But this is 100% the Thunderhammer with attached Mass Driver that was mentioned in one of the recent "weapons of the Votann" articles from the WC site.
Oh dear. GW thinks a "mass driver" is a device that alters its mass, don't they?
lord_blackfang wrote: Oh dear. GW thinks a "mass driver" is a device that alters its mass, don't they?
They think that adding "shotgun" to a bolt weapon would somehow make it a different gun, so yeah, chances are they think "mass driver" is something that changes an object's mass.
Dawnbringer Crusades and how GW distinguishes new Order humans from the legacy models. Where Empire humans had majestic feathers on their hats, AoS humans have majestic fern instead.
Quasistellar wrote: Also just judging by the highlight paint strokes, they look a little big to be on a hat.
Chaos Dwarfs confirmed.
But seriously, Warcry moves to a swampy, foresty setting with the next box. Ferny and feathery hats wouldn't be out of place in that setting. Chaos Dwarfs that go native would be. Very much so. Which after getting a warband of all human Hashut worshippers would be a truly worthy escalation in GW's quest to flip off Chaos Dwarf fans.
Remember the metal Saurus command for the 90's Lizardman range? These ferns & feathers remind me of the Meso-American headdresses on those particular models.
Also:
the harlequin kill team was a troll bit from 4chan.
I couldn’t see them ever doing (well not ever) a Kill Team for Harlequins, as right now you need to buy the box of the troupe, and then need to get the special characters. Quite pricey, can’t see why they would make that possibility so much better of a deal..
Also:
the harlequin kill team was a troll bit from 4chan.
I couldn’t see them ever doing (well not ever) a Kill Team for Harlequins, as right now you need to buy the box of the troupe, and then need to get the special characters. Quite pricey, can’t see why they would make that possibility so much better of a deal..
Actually the Harlequin kill team rumour comes form the discord advent calendar day 24- says Harlies get a new unit next[this] year. Thought those rumours were mostly very accurate [bar the Swooping hawks, Warps spiders and Baharroth not coming].
Also:
the harlequin kill team was a troll bit from 4chan.
I couldn’t see them ever doing (well not ever) a Kill Team for Harlequins, as right now you need to buy the box of the troupe, and then need to get the special characters. Quite pricey, can’t see why they would make that possibility so much better of a deal..
Actually the Harlequin kill team rumour comes form the discord advent calendar day 24- says Harlies get a new unit next[this] year. Thought those rumours were mostly very accurate [bar the Swooping hawks, Warps spiders and Baharroth not coming].
New unit or kit maybe, I just didn’t see a Kill Team, when they can do Death Jester and other characters hat are in the Kill Team, as separate characters.
If it was a KT box it’d have all those in there surely, and aren’t the weapon options in their list all on the sprue already (what would they get on their extra bespoke sprue etc?)
If there was to be a harlequin kill team set I would expect it to be used to introduce mimes as a new unit. They were the original harlequin infiltration specialists, so would be perfect for kill team.
Metal dwarf leg solved as squad Votann robot. Incidentally, we had to wait 12.5 months for the reveal (and there are multiple older bits not released yet) - was GW schedule disrupted that much or were they too spoiler-happy?
There is absolutely no schedule for the Rumour Engine. Having any sort of discernible pattern would change it into something closer to news than rumours.
Mr_Rose wrote: There is absolutely no schedule for the Rumour Engine. Having any sort of discernible pattern would change it into something closer to news than rumours.
It IS news. Always was. Just early ones. Did you miss the fact it was published by GW, not by some sort of leaker?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The oldest unsolved rumour engine is over two years old.
Which is the point - that absolutely was not the case before Covid, with there being only one long outlier (plasma pistol of AM explorer from BSF) that took far less time to reveal and was from side tabletop game, something most likely to be delayed, not shiny new 40K faction...
Irbis wrote: Metal dwarf leg solved as squad Votann robot. Incidentally, we had to wait 12.5 months for the reveal (and there are multiple older bits not released yet) - was GW schedule disrupted that much or were they too spoiler-happy?
It was that bad. All of the stuff in the new HH box are marked 2021. I guess is that it was originally due out last year, probably in the summer. Some of the painters said they recieved their boxes ahead of release "months ago" indicating either March or February. I'd say this stuff has been sitting for a while.
Irbis wrote: Metal dwarf leg solved as squad Votann robot. Incidentally, we had to wait 12.5 months for the reveal (and there are multiple older bits not released yet) - was GW schedule disrupted that much or were they too spoiler-happy?
It was that bad. All of the stuff in the new HH box are marked 2021. I guess is that it was originally due out last year, probably in the summer. Some of the painters said they recieved their boxes ahead of release "months ago" indicating either March or February. I'd say this stuff has been sitting for a while.
GW stuff can sit painted for 3-4 years before the actual relase, that's not really all too suprising
Irbis wrote: Metal dwarf leg solved as squad Votann robot. Incidentally, we had to wait 12.5 months for the reveal (and there are multiple older bits not released yet) - was GW schedule disrupted that much or were they too spoiler-happy?
It was that bad. All of the stuff in the new HH box are marked 2021. I guess is that it was originally due out last year, probably in the summer. Some of the painters said they recieved their boxes ahead of release "months ago" indicating either March or February. I'd say this stuff has been sitting for a while.
Really? I thought a lot of the painters got boxes last minute, which is why some where painted very hastily and why one youtuber had someone else paint the army for him.
It was that bad. All of the stuff in the new HH box are marked 2021. I guess is that it was originally due out last year, probably in the summer. Some of the painters said they recieved their boxes ahead of release "months ago" indicating either March or February. I'd say this stuff has been sitting for a while.
That's not unusual, I've gotten brand new kits with a copyright form a year or two years before even before COVID.
They may put the year the design was finalized on them or might need a year to build up stock levels before they can release something big.
Catachans is my guess. Hand it too meaty for regular human but not orky enough for orks. Also the grenade doesn't really match up with ork tech. Seems like the sort of thing you'd find on space-'Nam.
I feel it is probably a gas grenade of some kind. It could be a smoke grenade too, but the skull suggests something more lethal (on the other hand, skull motifs are common decoration).
I agree it is likely Necromunda, but Guard or maybe Inquisition is a possibility
Haighus wrote: I feel it is probably a gas grenade of some kind. It could be a smoke grenade too, but the skull suggests something more lethal (on the other hand, skull motifs are common decoration).
I agree it is likely Necromunda, but Guard or maybe Inquisition is a possibility
Yeah, the Imperials slap skulls on everything. Even helmets.
If it were a skull and crossbones I'd be inclined to agree that it would be a poison grenade, but seeing as it's just a skull, I'm not so sure.
I said earlier that I think the way the grenade is attached to the hand it's being gently rolled towards the enemy. That would make a lot more sense for a smoke screen that you you between you and the enemy than poison gas that you definitely want as far away from you as possible.
Look at how big that grenade is compared to the hand. It doesn't look like it was designed (in universe) for the model using it. I think it's a grot, maybe a hanger-on for a tankbuster squad?
I thought ghoul to but the text following the pic talks a lot about chaos, could it be new bloodletters following the world eaters release?
How old are current bloodletters?
Boosykes wrote: I thought ghoul to but the text following the pic talks a lot about chaos, could it be new bloodletters following the world eaters release?
How old are current bloodletters?
I hope not. Bloodletters are Brian Nelson sculpts so any resculpt will just be a downgrade.
Ghouls that look like ghouls rather than post-apocalyptic ork mutants? That'd be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
One of the few cases where I think the ~30 year old metal models are far, far superior.
Some sort of Themed Terrain for 30K. Ruins of Prospero or something. Or for 40K “Planet of the Sorcerers” style, since it got summoned back to reality.
Almost assuredly Tzeentch, the flame shape is very similar to certain renditions of the Tzeentch icon (and in fact is almost identical in shape to certain flaming icons/staff heads found in certain Tzeentch units).
The text on the bottom right also looks like "black tongue" or whatever the chaos alphabet is called.
Question is, is it for 40k, AoS, 30k, TOW, or some/all the above? Are we finally getting a Silver Tower of Tzeentch miniature? Or is it terrain?
It's not in the picture, but I assume the ends to be pointy. While I approve of hats that push their pointy point through the top of a pointy ear's skull, I don't think it's anywhere near small enough to be a hat. It looks more like it's three inches tall.
If, as some believe, Warcry is getting a quarterly box like Kill Team, I could see it being part of Tzeentch inspired terrain that comes in a box where one warband worships the Chicken of Change.
Gert wrote: Yeah it's 100% Chaos related. The symbols on the right hand face are all from the CSM transfer sheet.
someone from the Thousand Sons reddit pointed out the symbol in the top left, is an exact match for the symbol in the Thousand Sons part of the sheet. That symbol doesn't appear for any other legion so it could be something for thousand sons maybe for kill team.
You have no idea how much I wish this were true. Serpent people and slaanesh were meant to go together, so that I can live out on the table table glorious Hyborian era greatness.
The launcher at 5A is almost certainly a League weapon. The rockets match the one from the L7 missile launcher and the cornerness angular design is similar too.
If you put me on the spot and forced me to speculate on game/faction for these, I think I'd end up with the below, but I couldn't predict specific units in most cases.
Spoiler:
A1 - Chaos, AOS B1 - Giants, AOS C1 - Vampires or Ghouls, AOS or CC D1 - Ghouls, AOS
A2 - Unknown, AOS or CC B2 - Vampires or Ghouls, AOS or CC C2 - Unknown, 40k or KT D2 - Agree with the call on a Votann crest
A3 - Lizardmen, AOS or WarCry
C3 - Fake High Elves, AOS D3 - Orks or Ogryn, 40k
A4 - Daemons, 40k? or AOS C4 - World Eaters (or CSM), 40k D4 - World Eaters (or CSM), 40k
A5 - Votann or IG (leaning towards Votann), 40k B5 - Necrons, 40k
A6 - Unsure (but the same as C6 - Dragon Ogres, maybe), AOS B6 - IG, 40k C6 - Unsure (but the same as A6 - Dragon Ogres, maybe), AOS D6 - Vampires, AOS or CC
C2 is a Votann techmarine type, perhaps as a kill team upgrade
C3 is a Votann 'living ancestor' Grymnir
C3 I think could be a Cthonian Berserk - large muscled human like hand with a relatively smooth casing on what might be an axe. Definitely could be a Votann slayer.
A5 might be a pintle mount multiple rocket system on the Hekaton Land train, but it could also be almost anything - wouldn't be suprised to see it on a necromunda vehicle.
Still think 5A is a marine vehicle, maybe a heavier redemption. 5B is necron. 4A could be another part of the Kroot kill team. 3D looks like a Votaan plasma blade
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We're expecting Slaves to Darkness, more Warcry, and probably World Eaters in the second half of the year. Possibly a Kill Team tie in as well. So yeah, I guess we're expecting chaosy goodness.
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Were we expecting Chaosy Goodness??
Could be the rest of the chaos models that they're dripfeeding us. Or maybe the StD release due in December? World Eaters are coming too...
Yeah, that Catachan pic is a very good guess. They often do clumps of rumour engines from the same mini, and the combination of mace, dark skin, glaive head and tassel is too much to be a coincidence.
Catachan Dueling Glaive? (can't claim credit for that it's doing the rounds elsewhere)
Spoiler:
Just to pile on here, the full range of speculation on Bolter and Chainsword is its Sgt Stone the Gland Warrior from Inquisitor. They had a comparison pic of the mace and blade ends of the pole arm with the model bits from the old catalog.
Gland Warriors (or more Inquisitor models) were suggested as a Kill Team release.
Gland Warriors would be an interesting unit. A souped up melee unit for guard would give them something they've never really had. There's plenty of interesting rules you could give them to represent their combat abilities.
Going to throw out an alternative. Maybe Armageddon Ork Hunters?
Holy Moly. Sgt Stone is from the old 54mm Inquisition game. My friend tried to get me into that for years.
Unless they're bringing back a 54mm skirmish game (unlikely, but they are hitting the nostalgia button hard), I wonder if it's a KT based on the old Inquisition characters from that game (including everyone's favorite: Eisenhorn).
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well there is a Guard Codex coming up. They could be about to give Catachans some of their own special units.
Not saying it's wrong, but that would deviate from the lore some. Gland Warriors weren't Catachans, and I don't recall seeing dueling glaives outside of Sgt Stone. I could totally see them using inspiration from Sgt Stone to create a new Catachan unit though.
Very interesting if true. I don't think they would necessarily be Catachan, as far as I know the original gland warriors were a random regiment? Having been recently reading Dan Abnett's pariah books, there are several references to the roving gangs of Queen Mab who are also heavily drugged up soldiers. Would be an interesting unit to have in the Guard, great for a Penal Legion regiment.
the more I read into srg stone and gland warriors, the more I'm inclined either this is a special character for guard/inq, a new inquisitor specialist game revamp tease, or a brand new gland warrior(s) specialist for KT in the future
JSG wrote: It'll be Guard. Inquisition will never get anything.
I mean, of course it will. I expect to be disappointed when it comes to Inquisition. It's just weird to me that something so iconic to 40k is just completely abandoned when it comes to in-game rules/models.
KillerAngel wrote: Not saying it's wrong, but that would deviate from the lore some. Gland Warriors weren't Catachans, and I don't recall seeing dueling glaives outside of Sgt Stone. I could totally see them using inspiration from Sgt Stone to create a new Catachan unit though.
They don't have to be Gland Warriors to get the glaive.
Besides, the fluff is arbitrary, they can (and will) change it to suit whatever models the miniatures department cooks up.
It could also be a relatively stand alone release. We’ve seen multiple event/anniversary exclusives in the Rumour Engine to date. So if the smart money is, erm, on the money, and indeed as smart as we think? It could simply be a glow up of Sgt Stone as an anniversary type model.
I mean we have had a few special Catachans, but feels like that would work in building up to the new release. There's no way Sgt Stone is releasing an anti-plant grenade, though he might be the Warhammer+ model with helpers.
Cadian vets are mentioned in the B&C leak, and it makes sense for the old poster boys to come back as veteran models joined to train a new regiment. Could Catachan Devils also be a Kill team/vet Guard unit like they were in Dawn of War?
You’ll see Epic and Mordheim (/Nu-Mordheim) long before getting a redo of Inquisitor in my opinion.
Whether basing this model on the old metal or the artwork (which to me look like they are of the same character), who knows, but could just be using that weapon, or ideas of the character.
But it is definitely that exact weapon we can all agree.
JSG wrote: It'll be Guard. Inquisition will never get anything.
So you're just going to ignore the Inquisitor model released this year?
People also never expected to see plastic DKoK, Eldar Corsairs, Traitor Guard, Imperial Navy, Kroot, etc.
Oh yeah, and Squats happened.
Especially with Kill Team, GW has been releasing a steady stream of "they will never make this" for the last year. And besides, no one expects the Inquisition... and then they show up.
KillerAngel wrote: Not saying it's wrong, but that would deviate from the lore some. Gland Warriors weren't Catachans, and I don't recall seeing dueling glaives outside of Sgt Stone. I could totally see them using inspiration from Sgt Stone to create a new Catachan unit though.
They don't have to be Gland Warriors to get the glaive.
Besides, the fluff is arbitrary, they can (and will) change it to suit whatever models the miniatures department cooks up.
I mean, the artwork outright calls out the glaive as Catachan. It wouldn't even be a change to established fluff to give Catachans a unit armed with that weapon when the original idea was for it to be of Catachan origin.
JSG wrote: It'll be Guard. Inquisition will never get anything.
So you're just going to ignore the Inquisitor model released this year?
People also never expected to see plastic DKoK, Eldar Corsairs, Traitor Guard, Imperial Navy, Kroot, etc.
Oh yeah, and Squats happened.
Especially with Kill Team, GW has been releasing a steady stream of "they will never make this" for the last year. And besides, no one expects the Inquisition... and then they show up.
I'm going to be honest here, I forgot that the limited, event exclusive, most people are never even going to be able to buy it Inquisitor even exists.
That said, Battle Sisters got the resin version of the 2nd ed codex cover Sister as a Christmas special model. She's different in style to Celestine, who was released not too much later, and wouldn't fit into what GW might have already know to be the style of Sisters if they were transitioned to plastic. The thing is, Celestine and the twins were not meant to be the start of plastic Sisters but a stand alone release. Even the rules team went to great lengths to make Celestine an Imperium unit, not an Adepta Sororitas units. These models never were a sign of things to come, even if we're lucky that plastic Sisters followed relatively quickly after that.
Limited or one off models like this are not a statement of intent by GW to dedicate any development time to a full range of that faction. Which is not to say that we definitely won't see Inquisition get any love in the future, but that Inquisitor model is no evidence of that.
Could be a one off limited edition model like that Catachan sarge-the showed off bits of her base in the rumour engine. Like a Christmas model. Not saying it is, might be part of a team or squad, just that it might be a one-off model.
GaroRobe wrote: I wish Christmas models would be like that, and not just "warhammer model, but Christmas themed." I want a red gobbo, not a santa gobbo
Yes I enjoyed the Bugmanson model. The limited edition models can be pretty interesting, I hope they do more [limited by time not ability to buy].
JSG wrote: It'll be Guard. Inquisition will never get anything.
So you're just going to ignore the Inquisitor model released this year?
People also never expected to see plastic DKoK, Eldar Corsairs, Traitor Guard, Imperial Navy, Kroot, etc.
Oh yeah, and Squats happened.
Especially with Kill Team, GW has been releasing a steady stream of "they will never make this" for the last year. And besides, no one expects the Inquisition... and then they show up.
Okay, so as someone who is in the assembly stage of a 3rd ed Daemonhunters army, what the Inquisition is now is absolutely not what any inquisition play actually wants. Inquistion hasn’t been a proper army since 5th (arguably, they used the 3rd ed dexes until 5th when the GK and Sisters split off). There was that weird half-step in 7th, and as of right now they use the 8th ed rules from WD/psychic awakening. That army list is a half-formed mess, with only one transport, a handful of elites, and 1 generic HQ. It’s essentially the army-list version of a rump state, a pathetic little entity that is the remains of something much larger and greater that got carved off into their own states. The new model wasn’t a new unit, it was a new representation of an already existing unit. Not to mention it’s exlusive to a given day for a given store, making it difficult to aquire.
Inquisition is also a weird one in tuat it has entries with no models, seemingly making it an exception from “no model, no rules”. Namely the acolytes elites entry, it has no models. Maybe this will be the first if a grab bag of acolytes for the army. Which would be nice, but doesn’t change the fundamental problem the Inquisition have as an army. They either need to be put out of their misery and become like Assassins, or be brought back to their former glory.,
The really frustrating thing is Necromunda (& Kill Team) show what could be done with Inquisition; one or two core sprues with a selection of bodies and a whole bunch of weapons and upgrades, plus possibly a weapon pack or two would put us in a great place. And they’re an ideal Kill Team unit.
Another issue is that the purpose of Inquisitors is at odds with a war game. They are investigators or leaders of small bands mostly, if large scale combat is needed they tend to requisition other forces and either stay out of it, or focus on a core target.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Another issue is that the purpose of Inquisitors is at odds with a war game. They are investigators or leaders of small bands mostly, if large scale combat is needed they tend to requisition other forces and either stay out of it, or focus on a core target.
There is no set mould for an Inquisitor. Some are exactly as you say - investigators or leaders of small bands - but some are firebrands that whip populations into a frenzy and lead misguided crusades or their own personal armies to whatever end they've divined through their investigations. Some work alone, and some have networks of countless agents spread across many sectors.
So to say that Inquisitors are at odds with a wargame just isn't true. They are, in fact, one of if not the most mutable faction within 40k. They can be and do anything in any situation, just as their vast remit allows.
Unfortunately for many of us, your attitude towards the Inquisition has been the prevailing attitude of the GW studio since Alan Merritt left. So whilst that man was responsible for holding many things back (Genestealer Cults being chief among them) he was also someone keeping the Inquisition as a relevant part of the game, rather than just the odd named character release with some terrible legacy rules tacked on.
Inquisition forces may be tricky to get right. At least in a way that would satisfy my and I dare say others head canon.
I say that as they’re not especially noted for having a standing army, but co-opting whatever forces are at hand.
Now that’s an interesting opportunity to do a relatively slim volume, with specialist Inquisition units - but allowing the player to add in Marine, Guard, Sisters etc a proper Imperial Salad.
Not to say it has to be done that way, but that’s always been my understanding of them.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Another issue is that the purpose of Inquisitors is at odds with a war game. They are investigators or leaders of small bands mostly, if large scale combat is needed they tend to requisition other forces and either stay out of it, or focus on a core target.
An Inquisitorial retinue is more a kill team than anything that has ever been released for kill team.
Eisenhorn pretty much had a small personal army at one point. Easily enough to represent 500pts, maybe 1000pts with specific special rules the staff would have.... He had the equivalent of a medium sized AM platoon that were all blanks in his heyday who I assumed were all trained throne agents (capable fighters).
Now, due to the nature of an inquisitor probably having many fingers in many pies, having all their staff together at one time is unlikely. However, Eisenhorn wasn't actually that powerful/high up in the inquisition in terms of rankings, he wasn't a lord, a master or grand master, and whilst forces collected by an inquisitor in any size equal or above Eisenhorn would be niche, there would be plenty with such resources, or more and diverse too.
Lastly, inquisitional stormtroopers are still part of the lore, they have never been retconned, and it makes sense they would, the inquisition have fortresses, they need a force to defend them or draw upon in the instances where waiting for or requisitioning other forces is not an option due to severe time constraints.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Another issue is that the purpose of Inquisitors is at odds with a war game. They are investigators or leaders of small bands mostly, if large scale combat is needed they tend to requisition other forces and either stay out of it, or focus on a core target.
There is no set mould for an Inquisitor. Some are exactly as you say - investigators or leaders of small bands - but some are firebrands that whip populations into a frenzy and lead misguided crusades or their own personal armies to whatever end they've divined through their investigations. Some work alone, and some have networks of countless agents spread across many sectors.
So to say that Inquisitors are at odds with a wargame just isn't true. They are, in fact, one of if not the most mutable faction within 40k. They can be and do anything in any situation, just as their vast remit allows.
Unfortunately for many of us, your attitude towards the Inquisition has been the prevailing attitude of the GW studio since Alan Merritt left. So whilst that man was responsible for holding many things back (Genestealer Cults being chief among them) he was also someone keeping the Inquisition as a relevant part of the game, rather than just the odd named character release with some terrible legacy rules tacked on.
Except there is no Inquisitor faction. Like you say the Inquisition is a range of highly diverse individuals with no common forces than what can be requisitioned or the Chambers Militant which already have codices. Sure, Kill Team would be a good place for an Inquisitor and retinue, but beyond that, every Inquisitor is basically a special character. There is no Codex Inquisition.
Right, so make them that way. A basic Inquisitor stat line, and a bunch of special abilities they can buy that include stat improvements, but can’t be replicated on any other inquisitor in the army. Add a bunch of wargear options and have different choices locked to the different ordos and/or philosophies.
Like Xenos inquisitors have access to alien wargear but not daemon weapons, radicals have more extreme mods but less official support so they can’t draft marines etc and so on.
And yes, let them actually induct guard or marines etc. like genestealer cults can.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Another issue is that the purpose of Inquisitors is at odds with a war game. They are investigators or leaders of small bands mostly, if large scale combat is needed they tend to requisition other forces and either stay out of it, or focus on a core target.
There is no set mould for an Inquisitor. Some are exactly as you say - investigators or leaders of small bands - but some are firebrands that whip populations into a frenzy and lead misguided crusades or their own personal armies to whatever end they've divined through their investigations. Some work alone, and some have networks of countless agents spread across many sectors.
So to say that Inquisitors are at odds with a wargame just isn't true. They are, in fact, one of if not the most mutable faction within 40k. They can be and do anything in any situation, just as their vast remit allows.
Unfortunately for many of us, your attitude towards the Inquisition has been the prevailing attitude of the GW studio since Alan Merritt left. So whilst that man was responsible for holding many things back (Genestealer Cults being chief among them) he was also someone keeping the Inquisition as a relevant part of the game, rather than just the odd named character release with some terrible legacy rules tacked on.
Except there is no Inquisitor faction. Like you say the Inquisition is a range of highly diverse individuals with no common forces than what can be requisitioned or the Chambers Militant which already have codices. Sure, Kill Team would be a good place for an Inquisitor and retinue, but beyond that, every Inquisitor is basically a special character. There is no Codex Inquisition.
There was in the past though, and just like GSC and now squats, it can happen again. At the moment there is no LoV codex, does that mean they are not happening?
Also, Inquisitors have/had common forces in the past, as I mentioned above, Inquisitorial storm troopers are still a thing in the lore.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Except there is no Inquisitor faction ... There is no Codex Inquisition.
Yeah... that was kinda part of my point, that being the above is the attitude the studio (and you) has right now. But it wasn't always this way. We have had Inquisitorial Codices in the past, and could have again, if not for the (blatantly incorrect) attitude that the Inquisition shouldn't be an army.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Lastly, inquisitional stormtroopers are still part of the lore, they have never been retconned, and it makes sense they would, the inquisition have fortresses, they need a force to defend them or draw upon in the instances where waiting for or requisitioning other forces is not an option due to severe time constraints.
Weirdly enough, from what I've been told, Alan Merritt did not like the concept of "Inquisitorial Storm Troopers", and also the change from Hot-shot to Hellguns (which is why that eventually switched back).
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Now that’s an interesting opportunity to do a relatively slim volume, with specialist Inquisition units - but allowing the player to add in Marine, Guard, Sisters etc a proper Imperial Salad.
Just give us Codex: Imperial Agents, with the Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Assassins and other 'add-on' units included.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Lastly, inquisitional stormtroopers are still part of the lore, they have never been retconned, and it makes sense they would, the inquisition have fortresses, they need a force to defend them or draw upon in the instances where waiting for or requisitioning other forces is not an option due to severe time constraints.
Weirdly enough, from what I've been told, Alan Merritt did not like the concept of "Inquisitorial Storm Troopers", and also the change from Hot-shot to Hellguns (which is why that eventually switched back).
I wonder how much money Merritt cost his bosses over the years by being a narrow-minded little git...
While they’re at it, give us proper modern kits for Death Cult Assassins and Crusaders. They’re already in existing armies and should also be part of an Inquisitor’s arsenal.
I was hoping that handaxe rumor would be part of a new melee catachan unit. With the gland warrior rumor. I hope there is still a chance melee troops for guard might be a thing.
er, they better not be OOP - I haven't got mine yet!
Just a heads up, but if you're subbed on a monthly basis you actually have to order your model through the webstore - it doesn't just come automatically.
I’d imagine it has to be available for a year before it goes out if print.
Hasn’t it only been a few months so far?
Though they may show the next two some point soon I guess, as people need to know before the end of year two what the choice is etc..
I signed up when it went live and it says my renewal is in August, so it is coming up on a year. Also the website definitely says I can’t claim my assassin until 25th August, so they are not OOP yet. It may be that you have to have selected which one you want for free (because you could buy the other one if you wanted?). Which I’m pretty sure I did when I signed up.
Jadenim wrote: I signed up when it went live and it says my renewal is in August, so it is coming up on a year. Also the website definitely says I can’t claim my assassin until 25th August, so they are not OOP yet. It may be that you have to have selected which one you want for free (because you could buy the other one if you wanted?). Which I’m pretty sure I did when I signed up.
Yeah you did. Within 60 days of signing up or something.
But point being we are now coming up to the start of this models year long run of being given out.
So anyone who signed up to it between a whole year back to at least now, will wait 365 days and get it.
If I signed up today, in a year, I’d get the assassin. So it can’t be out of print.
However, come end August they could start showing the new models, that anyone September onwards will get in a years time.
It doesn’t actually say how they will reveal or how you need t go about choosing further models, they said it’d come in time etc..
Jadenim wrote: I signed up when it went live and it says my renewal is in August, so it is coming up on a year. Also the website definitely says I can’t claim my assassin until 25th August, so they are not OOP yet. It may be that you have to have selected which one you want for free (because you could buy the other one if you wanted?). Which I’m pretty sure I did when I signed up.
Yeah you did. Within 60 days of signing up or something.
But point being we are now coming up to the start of this models year long run of being given out.
So anyone who signed up to it between a whole year back to at least now, will wait 365 days and get it.
If I signed up today, in a year, I’d get the assassin. So it can’t be out of print.
However, come end August they could start showing the new models, that anyone September onwards will get in a years time.
It doesn’t actually say how they will reveal or how you need t go about choosing further models, they said it’d come in time etc..
Wasn't there also mention of being able to buy the other model that you didn't choose?
