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Post by: GrimDork
$25 for 10 single pose board game plastic minis? I dunno that I'll be buying any more. Arent the gw IG kits still 30 or 35? With all of the options... but then again nobody is telling me to make an army of the ma models, just seem a bit up there.
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Post by: scarletsquig
$25 for 10 is the standard price for Mantic restic, which is pretty much single pose anyway.
The 10 different minis do have 10 different sculpts though. So yes, they're one-piece, but there's still plenty of variety there.
I've already got all the Mars Attacks I want for now, looks like I got at least $200 worth of retail product for $15.. which is rather nuts. Best Mantic KS ever!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I also have an issue with the price per mini. However, if the material is as fun as I hope, then I'll probably swoop on some MA troops when they hit the deep discounts.
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Post by: GrimDork
I don't necessarily consider them overpriced so much as not priced to fly off the shelves. People will buy them if they have s specific like/need/want, and I'm sure mantic will deploy sets and army deals that further sweeten the deal.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
It seems like having them fly off the shelf might give a lot more mainstream gamers the opportunity to see the joy in an IP they might otherwise have no interest in.
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Post by: Azazelx
That pricing is pretty OTT for what is essentially army men in boardgame plastic. It's like they want those sales to fail. I only "care" in that it's a bad move for Mantic - I'm hardly personally butthurt about figures I won't ever buy being overpriced at retail...
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Post by: Compel
 GrimDork wrote:$25 for 10 single pose board game plastic minis? I dunno that I'll be buying any more. Arent the gw IG kits still 30 or 35? With all of the options... but then again nobody is telling me to make an army of the ma models, just seem a bit up there.
The IG kits don't give you all the options in fact they give you barely any...
The Cadian kit gives you a grenade launcher, flamer and voxcaster as options.
The catachan one doesn't even bother with the launcher.
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Post by: Bioptic
I don't particularly see the issue - as it stands, 10 models for $25/£15 actually costs less than the Dreadball equivalent (same price for 8), and these are licensed.
It costs less than other comparable skirmish/wargame squads that I can recall, is comparable with small boardgame expansions, and is also less than a lot of other licensed merchandise/figurines I see around Forbidden Planet and the like! People like to spend money there...
Lastly, this is the RRP - I routinely see Mantic stuff for a fair chunk less than the RRP, either bundled on their own site or on sale at retail. A low RRP gives less room for downwards movement - whether or not it's a good idea, I can easily see the reasons for wanting to start high even if you end up low.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, its best to see mantic a bit like DVD sales. Sure, you could buy a film at full RRP direct from Warner Brothers website. Or a game at RRP straight from EA Origin, but who honestly would do that?
Nah, most of the time, you'd buy it from elsewhere for varying degrees less(and a lot less in mantics case) except maybe once in a blue moon when there's an awesome sale on, or maybe a bundle deal...
Unlike, say GW, who are trying to make life as difficult as possible to buy stuff anywhere else...
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Post by: GrimDork
I must have been thinking tactical squad boxes or something. I just have several guardsman bits laying around but you are correct now that I think about it..
I guess I should consider a couple three bucks towards the manticase you'd get with that box too. $4 separately so that's a consideration.
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Post by: pretre
Finally got around to submitting my second survey for DZ. Between myself, my gaming group and a couple chaps who I know who wanted in, the damage is rather substantial. 
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Post by: GrimDork
Oh my, 100 pound box incoming? 
I think my final lock-down will be reasonably tame, though probably still a few hundred dollars if I go in for all of the AW goodies. Mostly just want a couple more fortification sets (they're pretty spiffy!) to go with my 2 incoming ruin zones, and maybe one or two bundles of that new sprue they made. Obviously, all of the hard plastic kits in one volume or another, and bogo striders... at least 3 packs of those lol. Maybe the goblin walker, might just get a iron ancestor retail or ebay and upgrade him myself.
I wonder if I should submit another mars attacks survey since I never got a confirmation... I'm pretty sure I moved it around to perfection last time, and I'm not sure if I wrote my final tally down anywhere. I would hate to second guess and mess up what was probably my ideal selections, but I would also hate to get a message from them asking if I *really* wanted to donate 350 dollars to the, or if it would even just get defaulted to the one-click.
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, shipping is going to be a beast on it. I keep looking at the new terrain sprue and just haven't done it yet. Personally, I'm getting: Then there's everyone else's stuff.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm really happy with the terrain - so I got more of that.
The miniatures are really hit or miss for me, but I did pick up some of the "Real" Resin walkers - couldn't resist!
And sadly I haven't got a game of Deadzone in yet, so no idea if I like the game or not.
But that terrain!
Very nice!
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Post by: pretre
 Alpharius wrote:And sadly I haven't got a game of Deadzone in yet, so no idea if I like the game or not.
Really? Omg, that's horrible.
I really like the rules and the game. Fast paced and fun. If you were any nearer, I'd offer to demo for you.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think we're about as far apart as can be and still be in the continental USA unfortunately!
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Post by: agnosto
The rules are fine as long as you agree to nerf massive frag and frag down to sane levels. The way they stand in the book, you can hit a 1/6 of the board with one mortar and just lock everything down each turn.
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Post by: pretre
 agnosto wrote:The rules are fine as long as you agree to nerf massive frag and frag down to sane levels. The way they stand in the book, you can hit a 1/6 of the board with one mortar and just lock everything down each turn.
Has there been any word on whether they are going to change that? We haven't had any lists with frag / massive frag other than grenades/teratons so far (models are pending second wave). Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh wait, quirkworthy says frag will be updated:
http://quirkworthy.com/2013/12/19/deadzone-abilities/
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Post by: agnosto
 pretre wrote: agnosto wrote:The rules are fine as long as you agree to nerf massive frag and frag down to sane levels. The way they stand in the book, you can hit a 1/6 of the board with one mortar and just lock everything down each turn.
Has there been any word on whether they are going to change that? We haven't had any lists with frag / massive frag other than grenades/teratons so far (models are pending second wave). Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh wait, quirkworthy says frag will be updated: http://quirkworthy.com/2013/12/19/deadzone-abilities/
That's good, he was asked about it before and just replied with a terse, "I'll change it if it needs to be changed." This probably means that the cards we have now will have to be tossed or we can write the additional rules on them as long as it's defined who gets them.
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, looks like that was around January (same page) and then he said about a month later that he was going to change it (after he had played a couple games against those lists).
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Post by: Yonan
Glad frag is getting nerfed. Haven't even played yet, and it read as highly overpowered. It was interfering with my making grenade launchers useful for Deadzone 40k ; p
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Post by: GrimDork
Hadn't read those comments I guess. As long as my fusion gun is still useful...
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Post by: agnosto
I just realized that the only good deal on the second survey is the walkers, everything else will be cheaper through discounted retail.
Witness, $19.99 deluxe mats:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/mgdzm05-1.html
With the regular price being a penny cheaper than the survey. 
This just made 2nd survey choice(s) really simple.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ That's not even close to being accurate. The savings on stuff like the booster bundles are huge.
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Post by: judgedoug
Yeah, the Booster Bundles are freakin' ridiculously good savings. They wind up being like $25 each (if you buy two), I think the Marauder one is something like $80-$90 MSRP.
and zombies. Going by current zombie pricing you can get 60 zombies for $60 MSRP (or 30 for $34.99 MSRP), space zombies on the survey are 80 for $45.
Even the mat example posted you save via quantity (like I did, I bought three extras for $55 on first survey, still cheaper than Mini Market)
characters/heros/mercs may not be much of a discount, but random stuff like the Resin Crates are $10 on survey, MSRP is $20 (so $16 at Mini Market)
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Post by: agnosto
The boosters on Miniature Market are $15.99 for Corporation, $15.99 for little plague guys and $19.99 for the big plague guys. So, same price as the survey but the bundles on the survey would be a better value if you need all of them.
I didn't consider the zombies because I have a ton of generic zombies if I every need to use any from my VC army; sure they're not necessarily sci-fi but it's hard to justify painting another zombie horde....
The BOGOs were a great deal on the 1st survey but there's nothing that I really need on the second that I can't pick up at discount retail later on (i.e. mercs, vehicles).
Faction starters are $27.99 @ MM; and they're $35 on the survey.
I just can't see buying all that more, it's a board game/ skirmish game, not a grand table-top huge army game...at least not to me anyway.
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Post by: scarletsquig
With the crates, getting some more accessory sprues instead works well... gives you 2 crates per sprue, plus a bunch of other stuff.
That's the route I'm taking anyway, accessory sprue crates then just paint the icons underneath... the resin ones are pretty good, but can also be a bit light and fiddly.
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Post by: CptJake
 scarletsquig wrote:With the crates, getting some more accessory sprues instead works well... gives you 2 crates per sprue, plus a bunch of other stuff.
That's the route I'm taking anyway, accessory sprue crates then just paint the icons underneath... the resin ones are pretty good, but can also be a bit light and fiddly.
Great idea. 
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Post by: agnosto
Still a great deal on the survey, the Scenery packs are $31.99 @MM.
That's 4 core-world sprues, an accessory sprue and a connector sprue. That's a battlezone, right? So, $25 for battlezones on the survey and $31.99 at discounted retail.
They've got Nexus Psi up for preorder at $15.99.
Acrylic counters for $15.99 vs. survey @ $20.
Acrylic Plague counters for $6.39 not on survey
Resin Equipment crates for $15.99 not on survey
Rulebook for $15.99 vs. $10 on survey.
If recon unt N32 is any indicator, discount retail will be quite a bit cheaper than the survey. $8 on survey and $6.39 at MM. With a $7.99 MSRP, so the survey is MSRP. for mercs and I'm going to assume big stuff too.
An odd thing I noticed. The marauder vehicle is a separate item at MM for $15.99 and the other faction boosters don't match the survey. I wonder if this is a KS thing or what we can expect later. I can't imagine needing more than the 2 that I have from the booster bundle but thought I'd point that out if people are fence sitting. The bundles are probably the best deal on the survey at BOGO.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ The DZ set of acrylics is both the regular counters and the plague counters.
If you buy 2 marauder booster bundles in the survey that's $174 RRP of stuff for $50.
Booster bundles, striders and hard plastics are the thing to go for, and that alt sculpt survivor if you want.
Get Chovar from DBX rather than tearing your hair out trying to assemble the metal one.
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Post by: judgedoug
agnosto wrote:The boosters on Miniature Market are $15.99 for Corporation, $15.99 for little plague guys and $19.99 for the big plague guys. So, same price as the survey but the bundles on the survey would be a better value if you need all of them.
Oh, you're talking the survey boosters, not the survey bundles. Cuz the retail boosters on MM are not the same as the bundles in the survey, by a long shot. The survey bundles contain several times more models than the retail boosters, and are BOGOF (so if you get two, they are $25 each for approx $80-$90 worth of stuff you'd get in the retail boosters)
Example, the Marauder bundle has two guntrucks ($16 each) two ripper suits + ogre guy ($16) plus another ogre guy and most of a specialists booster (let's say another $16) plus two more pyros, so we're looking at $70 ish at Mini Market's 20% off. It's $25 on the survey (as you get two bundles for $50)
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Post by: DaveC
agnosto wrote:Still a great deal on the survey, the Scenery packs are $31.99 @ MM.
That's 4 core-world sprues, an accessory sprue and a connector sprue. That's a battlezone, right? So, $25 for battlezones on the survey and $31.99 at discounted retail.
KS BZs didn't come with an accessory sprue they threw in 1 for every 2 BZs you bought but technically 1 KS Battlezone plus an accessory sprue is $30, $27.50 at the very least so discounted retail isn't much more - KS is still a bit cheaper though and gets cheaper still the more BZs you buy.
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Post by: agnosto
 judgedoug wrote: agnosto wrote:The boosters on Miniature Market are $15.99 for Corporation, $15.99 for little plague guys and $19.99 for the big plague guys. So, same price as the survey but the bundles on the survey would be a better value if you need all of them.
Oh, you're talking the survey boosters, not the survey bundles. Cuz the retail boosters on MM are not the same as the bundles in the survey, by a long shot. The survey bundles contain several times more models than the retail boosters, and are BOGOF (so if you get two, they are $25 each for approx $80-$90 worth of stuff you'd get in the retail boosters)
Example, the Marauder bundle has two guntrucks ($16 each) two ripper suits + ogre guy ($16) plus another ogre guy and most of a specialists booster (let's say another $16) plus two more pyros, so we're looking at $70 ish at Mini Market's 20% off. It's $25 on the survey (as you get two bundles for $50)
I went into that a bit on my later post. Personally, I have no reason to have more than two of those gun-truck thingies so I'd be happy with them being separate if that's how they wind up.
The BOGO's are a fantastic deal but honestly, I don't need tons of minis on this thing, it's not a wargame, it's a smallish tabletop. I'd hate to see this on a 4x6, the rules would fall apart in my opinion. I don't think Mantic intends for this to replace Warpath so there's no reason to buy mass quantities of this stuff for me. On a regular mat you have trouble fielding more than 6 models per side anyway..
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Post by: scarletsquig
The mass of models comes in handy for army list selection more than anything else.
I have 2 Rebs starters and Rebs booster bundle and still don't have the list I want (Kraaw swarm!)
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Post by: judgedoug
Ah yes then that makes sense. I still eyeball purchases for multiple uses (hence I bought a ton of Enforcers for generic sci fi gaming, and am seriously considering getting the big Rebs booster bundle to go with the starter set I already own). But even the survey bundles at $25, when combined with the normal starter set, pretty much gives you every option right? Making a bundle still a better deal versus buying two boosters at discount from MiniMarket for $32 to get everything for a faction.
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Post by: agnosto
Yep to all of the above. I'm more casual with games so the bundles I've already bought will probably do just fine. I'll have at least 2 of everything and for standard games that'll probably do me for this game.
I'm not going to be in for Kickstarters with Mantic anymore but will be looking forward to Warpath being fleshed out eventually.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Well, they're flat-out just unlocking the season 5 teams, no stretch goals or anything.
Brokkr, Sphyr, Rebs and Crystallin teams are Season 5.
Frenzy is being closed on Sunday.
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Post by: CptJake
Too bad it took folks dropping pledges and complaining for them to prove Frenzy will be worth while.
Still, that will give it 8 teams and the opening implication is 12 teams. I guess that give them something to use as stretch goals.
I am very glad Mantic is adding love to Frenzy though. It really needed it. The deadline for Frenzy pledges is a good gimmick to get folks upping from Rampage slots.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Getting three teams out of they way is good. I don't like any of them, but maybe there will be one in Season 6 to go with the Asterians. I might draw up some concept sketches to try to sway them.
This, however...
 CptJake wrote:The deadline for Frenzy pledges is a good gimmick to get folks upping from Rampage slots.
...is not. It's the same bs that got them into this mess. Front-loading pledges should be done in a way that gets those pledges to actually stick. If they're not pledging because they think it's worth it right now, they're doing more harm than good.
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Post by: CptJake
I disagree with it not being a good gimmick. It clearly is doing exactly what I thought it would. The total pledged is going way up but number of pledgers is barely moving, folks are dumping Rampage for Frenzy.
Now, is it a SMART thing to do is another question.
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Post by: NTRabbit
It could be - having a bunch of the rampage sweet spot early birds now open for the "48 hour warning" and other late comers could encourage them to go there and boost the project over all, rather than taking a more circumspect "I'll go in for $1 and see if the survey beats retail".
All predicated on the frenzy rush boosting funds to meet what are essentially up front stretch goals, and there being enough of a late crowd willing to buy in enough to make a worthwhile final push.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Question, has anyone found any good cases or other ways to store the Deadzone faction decks? I'm not interested in individual sleeves, but I do want them to be in something; the local odds and ends shops have nothing, and all I can find that's suitable on the internet is clear plastic boxes for CCG carrds.
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Post by: squall018
NTRabbit wrote:It could be - having a bunch of the rampage sweet spot early birds now open for the "48 hour warning" and other late comers could encourage them to go there and boost the project over all, rather than taking a more circumspect "I'll go in for $1 and see if the survey beats retail".
All predicated on the frenzy rush boosting funds to meet what are essentially up front stretch goals, and there being enough of a late crowd willing to buy in enough to make a worthwhile final push.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Question, has anyone found any good cases or other ways to store the Deadzone faction decks? I'm not interested in individual sleeves, but I do want them to be in something; the local odds and ends shops have nothing, and all I can find that's suitable on the internet is clear plastic boxes for CCG carrds.
I'm just keeping mine in old Magic: The Gathering boxes. Works well enough.
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Post by: NTRabbit
I never played MTG so i don't happen to have any laying around, but I'm pretty sure these boxes I'm looking at are meant for MTG, Ultra Pro 50 count plastic box
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Post by: scarletsquig
CCG card boxes and sleeves will do the job, the DZ cards are the same size.
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Post by: AlexHolker
NTRabbit wrote:I never played MTG so i don't happen to have any laying around, but I'm pretty sure these boxes I'm looking at are meant for MTG, Ultra Pro 50 count plastic box
While I haven't used that particular product, it looks right.
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Post by: Baragash
I got a 100 pack of card sleeves for Magic at home for DB cards, I don't recall the brand without looking though.
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, I picked up a cheap longbox at the gaming store and sleeved all my cards.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I got the cheap ultrapro boxes. Each one fits two decks. Three of them will cover all 6 factions when the next two hit. They're about $2 each in the states, every game store sells them.
I'm probably splitting BOGO options with friends to make sure we're all happy. It's still gonna be an expensive survey for me. I might have to sell my car, sperm and kidneys.
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Post by: GrimDork
I keep having unforseen money issues =/ May have to cut my AW bundles even though their funds were technically presents lol. I think I'll still get at least a minimum of the hard plastic kits either way. And this bills in june, so what with not doing more mantic Kickstarters until maybe DKH4 or warpath (neither of which is apparently this year maybe), should be gtg. Guess it was a good idea to pick up the booster bundles earlier in the game for me.
Like the new avatar TtW, I need to paint up some of my warpath stuff so I can pick out a new one.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
pretre wrote:
Mantic Glossary
Resin = Resin
Premium Resin = Resin
Plastic = Resin Plastic
Restic = Resin Plastic
Metal = Metal
Hard Plastic = Actual Plastic
Lol. Have you ever wandered why plastic glue is often stored in a plastic container but has no particular issues with clogging the applicator and glue to the inside of the container?
"Actual" plastic is the misconception. "Plastic glue" is more accurately designated as polystyrene cement, as that is the only type of plastic it glues together. Calling it "plastic glue" is borderline false advertising as, showcased by several plastic modeling compounds these days, it doesn't actually glue most plastics together.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Gods, must we have this plastic nomenclature lesson every day now? We all know what words mean. In the context of the wargaming hobby, however, "plastic" means polystyrene.
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Post by: CptJake
Every bottle of 'plastic glue' I've gotten has been glass. Tamiya for styrene types and Plastruct Plastic Weld for mantic restic crap.
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Post by: Yonan
Theres... theres a plastic cement for restic? What is this sorcery?! Google-fu says Plastruct Plastic Weld, or "Methyl Ethyl Ketone" will do the job I think, but is also quite hazardous. Hard plastic to restic even. There is less hazardous that willl do restic to restic. Worth mentioning if the hazardness of the chemical is a concern, is that Plastruct actually has 3 different plastic solvent cements of varying strength/toxicity:
- Weldene is non-toxic and smells nice and is only for styrene.
- Bondene bonds like plastics to each other (styrene to styrene, ABS to ABS, Acrylic to Acrylic).
- Plastic Weld which is so strong the plastic goes immediately tacky, and you can weld disimilar plastics to each other (ABS to Styrene etc). Most toxic obviously
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Post by: GrimDork
I've been using the craftics #33 I got from litko to bond plastics to acrylic (its an acrylic cement) to do trickier restic joins. I usually let that cure and go back In with super glue on big joins or those with a lot of strain on them, though it probably isn't needed. It helps if I'm in a hurry or trying to do both arms and a gun situations.
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Post by: judgedoug
I <3 Plastruct Plastic Weld. Easy to brush on and you get a ton of it for cheap. Just assembled some Deadzone scenery earlier tonight with it for preparation for my first actual DZ game this Friday eve.
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Post by: NTRabbit
 Yonan wrote:
Theres... theres a plastic cement for restic? What is this sorcery?!
That blue stuff you see plumbers use is PVC plastic cement, and works perfectly fine on restic and the loka plastic, but it's hard to get in anything other than large tubs, they don't make convenient little hobby sized bottles for it.
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Post by: Azazelx
I wonder if you could rebottle it (for personal use) in an empty hobby bottle - or if it would melt the lid/applicator brush?
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Post by: NTRabbit
The applicator brush is nylon isn't it? That will be fine, but I don't know what kind of plastic the lid is made from.
http://www.bunnings.com.au/protek-125ml-type-n-blue-cement-solvent_p4750114
It obviously comes in a plastic bottle, perhaps it's the same kind of plastic - 125ml you see there is the smallest you can get
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Post by: Azazelx
Yet a hell of a lot cheaper than the model cement that we buy...
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Post by: NTRabbit
The advantage of PVC being ubiquitous in the construction industry, supply and demand!
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Dear god the smell though, I dislike working with PVC when I have to glue it.
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Post by: Yonan
I'm not finding Craftics #33 or Plastruct Plastic Weld in Aus yet. Can get PPW from SnM in the UK which I might have to do unless a better alternative shows up.
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Post by: GrimDork
Surely one of your deadly local fauna has some kind of super-glue attack? Sounds like something one of those things'd do, spit sticky blood out of it's eyes so it's target suffocates.. or something. 'Course then they're probably too deadly to farm for materials to make the glue then too huh... Good luck on your search, I don't use it often but the craftics stuff does prove useful occasionally.
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Post by: Azazelx
Ahyup. I might have to stop down at Bunnings this weekend and grab a can of that stuff for when I get back to my Mantic models...
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Post by: Compel
Are the kickstarter backers going to get a digital copy of the Nexus Psi campaign book?
From what I can work out / remember, I'm getting the big collectors edition thingy, which will have it in there. However, until that comes, I'm thinking I'm going to be a bit stuck.
I'm guessing there's no news I missed on the plastic Enforcers?
That's pretty much what I'm holding off on my survey for.
At the moment, I'm theorising getting something like 3 Enforcer booster sets, 1 Orx Marauder booster. It's actually just the marauder booster I'm 'needing' - I don't like the side enough to get a booster bundle and the bundles ended up seeming to be a bit excessive the first go round.
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Post by: NTRabbit
 Compel wrote:Are the kickstarter backers going to get a digital copy of the Nexus Psi campaign book?
Yes, everyone who backed Scout or higher gets a free pdf copy of the Nexus Psi campaign and a free pdf copy of the compendium, but I don't know if those are going to be separate digital entities or all folded into one now.
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Post by: CptJake
I suspect folks will get the Nexus Psi pdf when it is released rather than having to wait for the full compendium. Mantic tends to be good about that from what I can see.
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Post by: GrimDork
^Yeah, we may even get it sent out to us a little before the print copies deploy. Kind of a shame to wait for the paper version longer than other folk but as long as I have the PDF I'll be fine, and then I'll get my compendium and LE ubercompendium woot.
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Post by: judgedoug
So I played my first game of Deadzone earlier... wow! Very fun, the battle swung back and forth, and it was down to the wire! Looking forward to playing again as soon as possible.
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Post by: scarletsquig
New Mars Attacks renders, very happy with these, nice selection of sci-fi aliens:
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Post by: CptJake
I wish they would have delayed the survey deadline until we had seen all the renders.
Those do look good.
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Post by: Paradigm
I can see myself grabbing a set of those aliens to add to my Rebs at some point, they look very nice.
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Post by: GrimDork
Yeah shoot I'd have added a pack of those onto my survey, I almost did as it was. I guess they'll show up retail someday.
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Post by: JoeRugby
Those do look good, I've got the free set coming from backing the project early.  I don't think I'd want another set with the same sculpts.
The design looks like the PF alien storm troopers might fit in with them.
Like the deadzone mins I hope mantic release some alternate sculpts I'm more than happy for them to be metal if need be.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Nexus Psi link should be in your KS messages and ready to go, am reading it right now.
CSW =Crew Served Weapon seems like a good way of toning down the power of the Marauder Gun trakk.
Nice lot of background in the book too, a page or 2 each on each of the mercenaries.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Well, the Mortar Guntrack is no longer gamebreakingly OP and has instead joined the HEW Guntrack in being utterly useless.
I wonder if The Survivor represents some sort of latent British fear of the Slavs.
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Post by: GrimDork
I get why its not op now but why is it useless? I still think weapons with that extreme range are really intended for the larger game sizes to come.
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Post by: pretre
Indirect can't be used on the first turn. Nice.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
It can only hit the far two rows and only after everyone has had at least one, possibly two, chances to clear that space. So now it's just another model that just sort of sits there and you can safely ignore, like all the direct fire heavy weapons apart from the TK ZERO team.
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Post by: agnosto
Well. That kind of went from one end of the spectrum to the other, didn't it?
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Post by: GrimDork
It Puts it in the corner precious. And use it for the bigger games when they exist.
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Post by: agnosto
GrimDork wrote:It Puts it in the corner precious. And use it for the bigger games when they exist.
lol.
If you get much bigger, you might as well play Warpath, right?
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ Pretty much.
Not seeing how the rules do anything other than break down at more than 100 points. The piles of counters and multiple card decks make the game firmly locked in at skirmish level.
Mars attacks has better odds of upscaling well.
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Post by: GrimDork
I'm not necessarily arguing with you guys, you may could be right I've not gotten to play, but I'm still eager to see the multiplayer/multimat rules. I wonder if something akin to Infinity's linked actions or full on link teams would make things go quicker.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Quick heads-up for anyone in the UK, wayland games has Dreadball Kick-off for £17.99 for today only:
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/dreadball/dreadball-kickoff/prod_20049.html
Rather good for 2 teams, pitch, counters, rulebook and dice!
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Post by: GrimDork
Shoot yeah, aren't the teams usually fifteen British squigly lines all on their own?
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Post by: scarletsquig
Yep, so an extra 3 quid gets you another team, the board, counters dice etc.
It is just the kickoff set, but still a great deal and the cheapest way of getting into the game I've seen. For anyone wanting to dabble with the game or just play casually (no ref/ card decks add-on rules), grab it.
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Post by: GrimDork
The Dreadball academy (at least the first couple) didn't use any of that extra stuff (to my knowledge) and the game still looked really fun.
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Post by: Compel
I really need to get working on that 'Ultimate Dreadball: Kickoff Style' blog post idea I had.
I imagine the logical thing for the bigger games would be, either just reshuffling the deck after you used it, a new deck like in Ultimate Dreadball, or just simply having another method for dictating round limits.
I do trust that Jake will be able to make big multi player team games completely viable.
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Post by: Rolt
Those new mars attacks renders are pretty good, couldn't care less about that game but those aliens could be useful in a deadzone/warpath Rebs army.
Also just a heads up guys I just got my Nexus Psi pdf in my inbox, looks like they're starting to send them out.
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Post by: overtyrant
I've downloaded my copy but not read it yet. I used the plague mortar twice and was so game breaking me and my mate agreed they should be used in larger games only.
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Post by: Azazelx
CptJake wrote:I wish they would have delayed the survey deadline until we had seen all the renders.
Those do look good.
It just cost them money in the end. I might have gotten them at KS prices, but I won't pay what they ask at retail for them...
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Post by: scarletsquig
Big blog post from Ronnie about Kickstarters and deadzone missing bits/ delays:
http://manticblog.com/2014/03/13/mantic-and-you/
Ronnie Renton wrote:Well with James (best wishes, now get outa here!) exiting stage left I thought an update on all things Mantic would not go amiss. So with no further ado…
1) We have some really good candidates to look at for the community role. The fans we have are very important to Mantic. We simply would not be the company we have become without all the support and help we and and still do receive. It is probably an unusual role considering the size of company we are but I think that without someone sharing our thoughts and interacting with our supporters – and feeding back their thoughts and fears – we risk losing touch with what really matters as we get bigger. I don’t want that to happen – and so the role must be filled. I hope to have a new face to fill the slot in the next few weeks. Thanks to all those who applied.
Could Blaine be our next community manager? Nah.
2) Thank you for your patience with deliveries and missing items over the last couple of months. We got slightly behind because the picking of the Deadzone was harder than we anticipated. The fact that the orders were huge and the factions and boosters came in multiple bags meant each pledge took a long time to pick – and also that we made a good number of mistakes!!!
We have had about 1500 responses on the missing items form, along with lots of other contact forms regarding the sale – which created a backlog. Apologies if we have been slow in getting back to you but we are getting caught up now. About 1/3 of the missing items requests just needed more information and those are getting answers, but the rest were missing a bag or parts from a figure. We are working through them now and we have the stock for almost all the missing bits. We have been sending out replacements for a few days so envelopes should be arriving soon. Where we do not have the item in stock we have it on order. We are despatching about 50 of these a day so hope to have everyone’s missing parts out in the next 4 weeks, if not sooner. Lessons have been learnt too – with products now coming in bagged as we want to despatch them and simpler tooling solutions, alongside better planning for the despatch operation. Thanks again for being patient – and I hope we will be back to normal service soon – where any issues or problems are dealt with the same days or at worst the next.
3) Kickstarters, Kickstarters everywhere! I have been asked a few times for a little inside info on our plans for kickstarters – largely so people can plan their spending! Firstly to anyone who has backed any of our projects – thank you. The support we get goes directly into developing the range and helps us make the great products you see on the shelves. I also recognise that backing a KS is a pretty major investment for most people and the support we get is humbling. While we pride ourselves on giving a big box of fun and toys for each pledge it is still a lot of cash to stump up, and I appreciate that. So to help you plan it is worth saying that Dreadball Xtreme is the only major KS we will be running for a while – it comes with a game and a box expansion plus lots of new teams, MVPs, campaign packs and so on. It is a full game. After that we will have a few months away from running any kind of KS – so we can go back to having a nearly normal life for a short while! We will be concentrating on getting Deadzone played by everyone and sending out the Deadzone second shipment and the Mars Attacks kickstarter, plus launching the awesome BattleZone scenery on an unsuspecting gaming world!
When we do return we want to look at a couple of ‘mini kicks’ – to change around the format and make them more relaxed affairs. The ideas we have are to look at going back to Deadzone and making a few more models for the first 6 factions, then some new scenery sprues, and perhaps introduce a 7th faction (any ideas?) – but the hope is that it will be hard to spend too much money, because without a game to fund/pay for it can be more like a normal ‘hobby’ spend. It will also not be done until after the 2nd shipment for Deadzone is delivered in full. The other mini kick I would like is to revisit the Dwarf Kings Hold series – but again with it being a dungeon explorer rather than wargame the scope (and spend) should be limited.
After that? Well you best start saving now for these – they are going to be massive – one of course will be Warpath, the sci-fi wargame. Having seen the zombies coming through in the hard plastic I am really pumped about what this could be, and the vehicles from Mars Attacks are also looking great. The other future one is based around Kings of War – but even I am not so leaky to talk about this one yet but the ideas flying around for it are very exciting. The good news is that it will be very late this year, or early 2015, before we get round to either of these. So plenty of time to get playing the games you have on the way to you this summer!
Thank you for reading my insane ramblings. I hope it has been helpful. If you have comments or ideas about how to make Mantic better or any areas we need to improve please send me a comment via facebook or the contact us link on the website. And finally, thank you for backing or supporting us – even if it is just sharing the kickstarter link or speaking up for us at your club or store, it means a lot to us. I hope we are a hobby company you can be proud of and remain approachable and fun – so we can keep making hobby products you want to game with.
Best wishes
Ronnie
So, no more Kickstarters for a while, and then two "mini" kickstarters for Deadzone and DKH 4... which are probably going to be anything but mini.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Yeah.
Well, I wish they'd done a "mini-kick" for DreadBall too, or offered a little Season 4+ box to expand on DreadBall Original, separate of DBX, instead of forcing people to buy into DBX, whether they like it or not, (not to mention forcing Jake Thornton to balance some 12 teams for two games in 6 months, when he didn't manage to make 4 teams for DBO Season 2 without mostly breaking the game).
A pity.
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Post by: judgedoug
Still waiting on preview shots of Enforcers and Peacekeepers and final instructions for those of us who pledged for a bunch of Enforcer restic individual models such as myself.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Yeah, I definitely want to see my plastic enforcers. When is the survey due again? April 14th? Gotta figure out my wants and needs. Spent very little on the first part, going big on part two.
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Post by: pretre
We realize that there is a lot of choice here, and quite a few things people want to add on. For this reason we have given a deadline of the end of March to complete the survey, and we will be posting lots of pictures and updates during this time to give you all the information you might want to help you decide. We can get then get it ordered and over for shipping.
However, we are keeping the window for payment open for much longer – all the way to the 2nd June – which should be just a few weeks before shipping. This will give you the time to save a few pennies and get your finances organized. We understand many people will want to pay immediately so we will get the invoices out quickly, but we are also happy to wait until you are ready. We hope that helps.
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Post by: judgedoug
So they have 18 days to post pics of the plastics that look good.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, I'm not touching my survey until I see the plastics and how they're incorporated into it.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Compel wrote:Yeah, I'm not touching my survey until I see the plastics and how they're incorporated into it.
That's how I've treated it-no pics, no touched survey. Thanks pretre, I've been too busy to keep track, and work is too grueling to keep the date in mind. I'm sure I'll ask at least one more time before they're due.
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Post by: Talking Banana
I appreciate Mantic announcing their KS intentions, but I didn't find it very reassuring. I'm disappointed that they seem to want to gear the Deadzone "mini-kick" mostly towards doing new units for the existing factions. I don't want any more figures for the existing factions, I think they're fine with the boosters and heroes and vehicles and whatnot that they already have.
I'd be a lot more excited if they turned the emphasis around, with a plan to release 6 new Deadzone factions and a handful of units for existing ones.
And the possibility that Warpath might appear later this year rather than early 2015 actually makes me a bit nervous in terms of how much I can safely spend on Dreadball and the Deadzone mini-kick.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I'd be happy with another two basic DZ factions, with four planned and announced stretch goals for four others, with a Merc for each faction planned, plus a couple specialist options from outside the regular faction starters. Keep it small, and announce the stretch goals ahead of time.
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Post by: pretre
Do we need more mercs?
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Post by: scarletsquig
I think I'd rather see a DZ 2.0 KS done properly.
Zz'or Deadzone expansion, with Zz'or faction, alien hive terrain.
Veer-myn Deadzone, with Veer-myn faction, industrial/ "underhive" terrain, lots of pipes, machinery etc.
Then from there throw in something interesting and popular on top like Nameless and Crystallan factions.
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Post by: judgedoug
Nah, I'd rather have a normal release schedule for Deadzone. A new faction every 2-3 months or something, complete with booster figures etc.
I WANT them to focus entirely on hard plastic tooling and make Warpath KS amazingly awesome. Having fun playing WP2.0 and while I personally like Veer-Myn and Corp and FF minis, I know a lot of people don't - and the restic stuff just needs to go away. good quality Corporation plastics at Mantic prices will sell by the bucketload.
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Post by: CptJake
Compel wrote:Yeah, I'm not touching my survey until I see the plastics and how they're incorporated into it.
Amen.
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Post by: Compel
It's not just me being mean, but it's in Mantics interests too.
Ideally, the Enforcer Booster Pack set will be equivalent to a couple of the plastic sprues or the like, so I'll be able to get 3 of them, plus the Marauder booster and I'll be set.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Only one for each new faction, not more generic ones. I believe in options for everyone, but I haven't started using mercs yet. Haven't needed em.
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Post by: GrimDork
Mercs kind of seem like DBO MVPs, I cannot see needing so many since they're one per list and have penalties/restrictions. Still neat though.
Intentional or not, I think both mini kicks will blow up well beyond mini. We'll see I guess.
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Post by: agnosto
We don't need more units for a skirmish level game unless they intend for Deadzone to become as big as Warpath. I'd love to see what Zzor would look like.
Also, not touching my survey until we see the loads of pics we were promised. They did say they're going to send out a big update next week....so figure 2 weeks from now in Mastic update time.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
agnosto wrote:We don't need more units for a skirmish level game......
Right there.
The only thing involving "more units" is prefer is more weapon options/load outs for the ones we have.
I'm with the crowd who would rather do a Veer-myn or Zzor infestation setting, have the "official" groupings for those settings, and of course if we want to go all helter skelter and group whatever together we can.
Sphyr, Corporation Troops, Crystillians (or whatever they are called) are also great options for additional factions.
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Post by: AlexHolker
scarletsquig wrote:Veer-myn Deadzone, with Veer-myn faction, industrial/ "underhive" terrain, lots of pipes, machinery etc.
I have a better idea: a Deadzone kickstarter with industrial/"underhive" terrain and no Veer-myn.
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Post by: JoeRugby
New minis/options are always a good thing in my opinion.
I want more options for my Rebs. I want more yindji (or however it's spelt) sculpts, I love the furry ...........!
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Post by: willb2064
Deadzone 2 sounds interesting. Could always use more terrain. Unit adds to existing factions doesn't interest me though, as they will undoubtedly be restic which I'm not touching again after putting the Rebs together.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
 AlexHolker wrote: scarletsquig wrote:Veer-myn Deadzone, with Veer-myn faction, industrial/ "underhive" terrain, lots of pipes, machinery etc.
I have a better idea: a Deadzone kickstarter with industrial/"underhive" terrain and no Veer-myn.
Nope......don't think that idea is better
I would really like to see a Deadzone setting with Veer-myn as the main antagonist.
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Post by: Alpharius
Mantic's got a ways to go to make the Veer-myn background rise up the level of 'barely acceptable' though.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Alpharius wrote:Mantic's got a ways to go to make the Veer-myn background rise up the level of 'barely acceptable' though.
Definitely. Veermyn are a hard sell that only appeal to a small niche among Mantic fans, and are a turn off for everyone else. Meanwhile, Mantic has done jack-all with their Nameless (i.e. Cthulhu in space!!!) faction or Zzor, both of which are popular and fit into much bigger nicehes in the market. Cthulhu and bug aliens sell well for everyone. Crappily-sculpted, terribly-proportioned steampunk space rats don't.
And their background is even worse.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Alpharius wrote:Mantic's got a ways to go to make the Veer-myn background rise up the level of 'barely acceptable' though.
What better way to do it than to make them the next Deadzone antagonist and produce a rulebook and another mini-compendium full of fluff?
I'd be fine with the minikick just offering the one antagonist - Veermyn or Z'zor - and then stretching up to a new terrain type and 1-2 new other factions, and that's all. Improves the base game, doesn't go over the top or push too hard, and is nice and affordable. Then maybe some new units for the existing factions as the last few stretches if the money is there, the plague could use some more infected aliens for example.
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Post by: streetsamurai
 BobtheInquisitor wrote: Alpharius wrote:Mantic's got a ways to go to make the Veer-myn background rise up the level of 'barely acceptable' though.
Definitely. Veermyn are a hard sell that only appeal to a small niche among Mantic fans, and are a turn off for everyone else. Meanwhile, Mantic has done jack-all with their Nameless (i.e. Cthulhu in space!!!) faction or Zzor, both of which are popular and fit into much bigger nicehes in the market. Cthulhu and bug aliens sell well for everyone. Crappily-sculpted, terribly-proportioned steampunk space rats don't.
And their background is even worse.
Dam right. The Veermyn managed to turned me from a (moderate) mantic groupie, to a raging hater. It will take a lot of thing for mantic to fall back in my good grace, tough quality hard plastic for either the nameless or the Zzor would probably do it.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Nameless are just another unincorporated set of alien species on the fringe though, they're not a "bad guy". I think if anything nameless will end up as one of the two new 'raiding' forces that comes in an expansion featuring the Veermyn or Z'zor as the antagonists, because they're both definitively militaristic and hostile to the other major species in the fluff.
An alternative could be the new Koris from DBX - they're funky looking, psychotic, operate in small groups rather than a collective nation, and they're essentially giant teleporting spiders. Raiding their web nest moons for loot could make a good game!
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Post by: Joyboozer
Veer-myn are one of the few Mantic races I really like and my biggest disappointment was we got Orx in Deadzone instead.
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Post by: GrimDork
Anything that has to do with the Koris would be awesome. Once my battle systems stuff comes in I'm going to be focusing on designing starship interiors for some kind of game play. Encountering the Koris while in transit far between safe harbors would be terrifying
I don't think they would make a good fulltime antagonist though, they'd probably be one of the raiding parties themselves. Kind of like Q from star trek, they show up when you don't want them, but they're off screwing with someone else most of the time.
Updated Veer'myn or Zzor, or hell even something else entirely would probably make a better antagonist.
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Post by: judgedoug
Joyboozer wrote:Veer-myn are one of the few Mantic races I really like and my biggest disappointment was we got Orx in Deadzone instead.
Same here. I have like a hundred of the models, love 'em. Haven't paid much attention to the background so it could suck. But the models are great. Lots of little gribblies and details.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
ZZor, Ver-meen, or etc, I just want to see actual pictures of what I would be spending money on before anything will ever get added to my survey.
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Post by: privateer4hire
Veer-myn supposedly evolved from rats that stowed away humanity's sublight ships (mainly used for cargo movement---snail mail style). In less than 1000 years the rats evolved from what we know to humanoid rodents with intelligence and technical ability. Fluff plays the source (radiation from reactors, cosmic rays and/or bizarre chemical exposures) of the rapid evolution as unknown.
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Post by: Yonan
privateer4hire wrote:Veer-myn supposedly evolved from rats that stowed away humanity's sublight ships (mainly used for cargo movement---snail mail style). In less than 1000 years the rats evolved from what we know to humanoid rodents with intelligence and technical ability. Fluff plays the source (radiation from reactors, cosmic rays and/or bizarre chemical exposures) of the rapid evolution as unknown.
Similar to 40k, there's a 'knowledge gap" between what the inhabitants of the universe know and what us players know. The radiation etc. is probably what the inhabitants know, I'd assume such rapid evolution was a corporate action that has been written off as not their fault. Or is still being actively used to that corporations advantage. Much like 40k, I imagine it's intentional that you can have your own impression of the reality of the situation. Seconding any Z'zor action.
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Post by: agnosto
Exposure to the warp did it.....either that or the eldar tinkered with them. They've become the Tau of the mantic universe. ;-)
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Post by: GrimDork
But think Ratty instead of Fishy.
I think a race of space faring rat men can definitely work, they just need to tweak the fluff to make them a viable enemy for the long term and not something trivial.
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Post by: NTRabbit
Considering they're already one of the existing Warpath armies, albeit a very small one, I think there's a fair chance they'll get a complete overhaul and inflation of units and fluff in the Warpath KS at the very least, if not sooner in a Deadzone expansion, so there's not much to worry about there - the only thing it comes down to is whether you still don't like the rewrite
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Post by: Widdershinz
So I've enough cash to get two more battlezones in the second survey, any thoughts on what would be the best combo? The ruins look ok, but you only get the angle connectors with the landing pad I think.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I look forward to new Deadzone factions AND new models for existing factions, tho the latter could already effectively be achieved just by fixing the 25% or so models that are currently useless.
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Post by: GrimDork
I'm looking forward to a new battle zone type or two. Probably
A bit more interested in new faction over expanding the existing, but I'll still be excited for new models either way.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Mantic wrote:We have had about 1500 responses on the missing items form, along with lots of other contact forms regarding the sale – which created a backlog. Apologies if we have been slow in getting back to you but we are getting caught up now. About 1/3 of the missing items requests just needed more information and those are getting answers, but the rest were missing a bag or parts from a figure.
What exactly does that mean? The admitted 1000 customers that received incomplete or defective orders were over what time period and what product ranges? What does "just needed more information" mean: That delivery was delayed without informing the customers? What could "lots of other contact forms regarding the sale" include? Can anyone estimate what percentage 1000 customers are? Or could one customer send multiple responses?
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Post by: Yonan
It means they thought they were supposed to receive somehting in wave 1 that was actually in wave 2 for example. There was no material problem, just a knowledge problem on the customers end.
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Post by: led571
People could fill in the form more than once and I believe that a air few where just missing there dice, or shipment 2 items, other items they need details about could be saying they are missing a booster but as they are packed in a strange way, they may only be missing parts of the booster and mantic need to make shore they send the correct bits out.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, Ronnie did say they got a lot of emails about that, plus things like the missing dice or the Enforcer booster sets.
I'd take a guess that the 1000 people in the form mostly refers to Dreadball Season 3 folks, plus Deadzone people.
However, that seems far too low, especially since I, myself ended up putting 2 forms in for Deadzone and 1 in for Dreadball season 3.
In all honesty, while I really do love mantics games (and I've gone in for Frenzy), I genuinely do not know a single person that hasn't had some suffered some form of mistake with any mantic purchases of significant volume.
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Post by: .Mikes.
Compel wrote:
In all honesty, while I really do love mantics games (and I've gone in for Frenzy), I genuinely do not know a single person that hasn't had some suffered some form of mistake with any mantic purchases of significant volume.
I haven't.
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Post by: Compel
I suppose I should have added 'in person' to be completely fair.
But yeah, to break it down:
Exhibit A: (Me)
Dreadball Season 2: The missing Z'zor Jack, missing Z'zor striker arm/head
Dreadball Season 3: Missing Wyn Greth'ski arm, colour mismatched Acrylic Ultimate Pitch, missing Nightshade, missing Trontek Striker arm
Deadzone: Missing Equipment crate lids, missing Dreadball MVP, missing AW 'Vending Machines' from the commercial bundle (still waiting on these)
Azure Forest: Personal opinion, but a helluva lot of flash for a 'premium metal' model...
Exhibit B
Dreadball Season 2: Missing additional Refbot/Ball. Missing Cheerleader pompom, missing Zzor Jack.
Dreadball Season 3: Wrong packed Zee arm (sadly we didn't pick up on this until after the 'missing parts' survey closed)
Deadzone: Missing Marauder Commando Captain
Azure Forest: Miscast trophy
Exhibit C
Deadzone pre-release, plus 100's of pounds of other Christmas preorders in person at the mantic open day. Doesn't get an acknowledgement of the order by email for more than 3 weeks, after constant chasing. Marauders and Rebs of this pre-release arrived just 2 weeks ago.
Exhibit D
Dreadball kickstarter, Forge Fathers are badly warped/miscast. Sends them back, via Royal Mail signed postage and promised a refund. Package is signed for by someone at mantic. Mantic claims they never received the package. Mantic does not refund and Exhibit D is now vehemently anti-manticgames.
Exhibit E
Orders pre-release of Deadzone of Marauders box set as Christmas present, with dispatch date on Website as significantly before Christmas. Product doesn't arrive and communication with Mantic strongly denies that the dispatch date for it was never listed as before February. He's also grumpy that the crazy box didn't come with bases, but well, it never said it did...
I believe I had 2-4 more stories but I can't remember them off-hand. The thing is, for me, I'm continuing to put the majority of the contents of my wallet in Mantic's hands, having actually talked myself into going for Frenzy now on the Dreadball Xtreme kickstarter. Even though they're a tiny company (22 people or so) in the grand scheme of things, it's long past time for them to, well, mantic up and get things sorted.
Phew.... That was cathartic.
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Post by: Ace Histoli
Potential crossover alert!
The new MERCS Recon kickstarter board game looks IMHO look it has a ton of potential, and if the campaign goes anything like their last one (Myth), it could be an insane value by the end. Whatever, though, I'm not here to sell you guys on it as a game.
I'm here to sell you on it as a potential subject for Battlezone bling-age. They haven't confirmed board size officially yet, but it looks to be squares of 3 inches, so our Deadzone terrain should fit perfectly. It's a game about super soldiers invading 23rd century office spaces, so the style of Mantic's terrain is dead on as well. Could end up synergizing perfectly...
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Post by: JoshInJapan
 .Mikes. wrote: Compel wrote:
In all honesty, while I really do love mantics games (and I've gone in for Frenzy), I genuinely do not know a single person that hasn't had some suffered some form of mistake with any mantic purchases of significant volume.
I haven't.
Neither have I.
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Post by: Azazelx
I've had enough miscasts, missing items and mispacks problems for the both of you.
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Post by: agnosto
I have yet to receive a complete package from Mantic; something is inevitably missing or defective.. Just rotten luck I suppose which explains why I don't gamble.
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Post by: pretre
Nothing missing in KOW or DZ for me.
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Post by: GrimDork
I got my whole order missed for a month, but it did get taken care of for the most part. Those few missing pieces are supposedly set to be sent so for now I'm not bothered.
As for the MERCS thing, I put down for the 48 hour notice, I don't have the energy to follow another kickstarter closely for a wee bit of a while.
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Post by: chucklehead
No doubt I'll get a kicking for this, people will say I only moan about Mantic. But seriously. Another f*@&ing Kickstarter for Deadzone?!
I'm a huge fan of the game. Despite my complaining about how it has been handled, I think the game itself is excellent, lots of fun to play and I've spent a fair bit of cash on it already.
The game has plenty of units already. It's a skirmish game, there isn't meant to be a million units for you to choose from like 40k.
The game has been out for a month. How about trying to grow the community of people playing the game first! Another Kickstarter to add units is only going to leech off of the people who have already paid their money for the game, not add new customers.
Mantic really need to put their hands in their own pockets for a change to grow this game, not fleece their customers some more
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Post by: agnosto
But....1.2 million dollars. Besides, I think that that they know if they do a Warpath of KoW kickstarter, people are going to expect HARD PLASTIC as they can't be dumb enough to think everyone loves restic and being told that hot water will fix all their ills...
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Post by: timetowaste85
I had stuff missing in KoW (bases and golems). And of course the obligatory missing dice/plastic enforcers from DZ, but those don't count if they became second-shipment items, right? To me, they don't count. Other than that, my shipments have been spot on, miscast a have been dealt with (new minis shipped), and worst I've had to deal with are mild lines (I only kill the worse offenders). So not too bad on my end. It really sounds like a lot of people have had it a lot worse than me. One or two people on here (remaining nameless) have even had Mantic kick their dogs and steal their wives, let alone bring about the apocalypse.
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Post by: GrimDork
I don't feel like I fell into the 'kicked their dogs' category. They haven't been terribly snappy with every reply, but I haven't gone more than a week or two without they getting back to me. I did get my stuff late, but it was an honest mixup and they did send it out the moment things were available (not all the things, but I'm glad they sent what they did have in stock, or I'd never have gotten to work on it before summer busy season resumed). So if they kicked my dog, at least they were nice about it :p
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Post by: Earth Dragon
 chucklehead wrote:No doubt I'll get a kicking for this, people will say I only moan about Mantic. But seriously. Another f*@&ing Kickstarter for Deadzone?!
I'm a huge fan of the game. Despite my complaining about how it has been handled, I think the game itself is excellent, lots of fun to play and I've spent a fair bit of cash on it already.
The game has plenty of units already. It's a skirmish game, there isn't meant to be a million units for you to choose from like 40k.
The game has been out for a month. How about trying to grow the community of people playing the game first! Another Kickstarter to add units is only going to leech off of the people who have already paid their money for the game, not add new customers.
Mantic really need to put their hands in their own pockets for a change to grow this game, not fleece their customers some more
This.........so much this.
All these KS campaigns are doing is destroying Mantic's market penetration. There are giant chunks of the Western United States where not a single soul has heard of Mantic. I know the "but we get great deals from KS" crowd don't want to hear it because it ruins their psycho discount, but giving all their stuff out to their fan base at crazy deals instead of having them grabbing it off of store shelves makes it to where few stores are picking it up. I know a shop owner here doesn't trust he can sell any Mantic stock because he feels anyone who would want it would already get it from them directly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not a good sign if they are unable to expand upon existing lines/games without using KS to do it.
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Post by: edlowe
Earth Dragon wrote: chucklehead wrote:No doubt I'll get a kicking for this, people will say I only moan about Mantic. But seriously. Another f*@&ing Kickstarter for Deadzone?!
I'm a huge fan of the game. Despite my complaining about how it has been handled, I think the game itself is excellent, lots of fun to play and I've spent a fair bit of cash on it already.
The game has plenty of units already. It's a skirmish game, there isn't meant to be a million units for you to choose from like 40k.
The game has been out for a month. How about trying to grow the community of people playing the game first! Another Kickstarter to add units is only going to leech off of the people who have already paid their money for the game, not add new customers.
Mantic really need to put their hands in their own pockets for a change to grow this game, not fleece their customers some more
This.........so much this.
All these KS campaigns are doing is destroying Mantic's market penetration. There are giant chunks of the Western United States where not a single soul has heard of Mantic. I know the "but we get great deals from KS" crowd don't want to hear it because it ruins their psycho discount, but giving all their stuff out to their fan base at crazy deals instead of having them grabbing it off of store shelves makes it to where few stores are picking it up. I know a shop owner here doesn't trust he can sell any Mantic stock because he feels anyone who would want it would already get it from them directly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's not a good sign if they are unable to expand upon existing lines/games without using KS to do it.
where I live there are few to no local gaming stores, except gw. If I want any mantic figures I have to order online. So ks are a great way for me to pick up a great deal and support the company's growth. Lets not forget without ks we would not have most of the figures mantic have produced. Some people would prefer a more traditional release schedule but I cant understand why when both the customer and mantic gain so much. I do think they could be better prepared for each ks so slowing them down will give them time to do this, plus general release what the ks has funded.
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Post by: GrimDork
Personally I prefer the kickstarters, but if they put the brakes on a little it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
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Post by: squall018
I wish maybe the did a mix of both. Deadzone was a great KS, but I feel they should just release other minis through retail as opposed to already planning to do another (mini) KS for it.
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Post by: Compel
I think they're standard retail focus soon is going to be on Kings of War?
Something to do with that whole 'War of the Beard' thing Ronnie was doing? *doesn't pay much attention to fantasy stuff*
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Post by: edlowe
Compel wrote:I think they're standard retail focus soon is going to be on Kings of War?
Something to do with that whole 'War of the Beard' thing Ronnie was doing? *doesn't pay much attention to fantasy stuff*
they've still got a bit of the kow ks to release such as the abbysal golems and gargoyles.
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Post by: timetowaste85
GrimDork wrote:I don't feel like I fell into the 'kicked their dogs' category. They haven't been terribly snappy with every reply, but I haven't gone more than a week or two without they getting back to me. I did get my stuff late, but it was an honest mixup and they did send it out the moment things were available (not all the things, but I'm glad they sent what they did have in stock, or I'd never have gotten to work on it before summer busy season resumed). So if they kicked my dog, at least they were nice about it :p
Don't worry, GD, you weren't in the "kicked dog" category. I notice you didn't mention whether you feel like they snagged your wife though...Honest mistake on your part, or something more sinister? Lol
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Lol Nah I figured snag your wife was the upgrade to kick your dog so it didn't need addressing, they still have my goodwill for now.
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Post by: Azazelx
So anyway, I haven't received anything into my email inbox from them - any updates elsewhere on pics of stuff for the second survey? Or updates on the Hard Plastic Or Not?
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Post by: GrimDork
I'm hoping for a large Friday update to such a tune. The last update suggested one was coming this week, and we're almost out of week.:
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Post by: Talking Banana
The last update teased there was good news coming for the Forge Fathers, so my expectation is that we'll be getting Forge Guard in hard plastic, and Asterians in restic.
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Post by: NTRabbit
I finally filled out my survey, so I at least had something in case my memory fails me, and it keeps missing things, notably the sorak sword guys - I submitted a survey, they weren't in the email, resubmitted, still not in the email, then I got another email without resubmitting and they were on it. Strangeness.
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Post by: Lukez
NTRabbit wrote:I finally filled out my survey, so I at least had something in case my memory fails me, and it keeps missing things, notably the sorak sword guys - I submitted a survey, they weren't in the email, resubmitted, still not in the email, then I got another email without resubmitting and they were on it. Strangeness.
They mentioned in one of the updates that the sword sorak (and a couple other of the new items) were not displaying in the summary emails, but are getting through to them.
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Post by: pretre
Mantic Update wrote:From the Forge
Hi everyone,
I hope all is well with you all - there are great photos of the scenery built and painted surfacing everywhere - along with units of painted Plague and Enforcer factions. We love to see these, so please keep them coming.
We have also had a good number of the second survey back - so thanks for anyone who has sent it back. The deadline for returning it is 30th March so you need to get it back to us by then if you want some more bits adding to your shipment. This will give us time to get it made and ready to ship. However, we know that money can be tight at times, so you do not need to pay for any extras until the end of MAY, giving you a few more weeks to get that sorted. We will send out paypal requests but there will be a good window before payments are needed.
Today we have a nice big juicy update - with some rather splendid news (for Forge Father faction fans, at least), some other nice info and a few minor changes, so with no further ado, let's start with the not great news...
UPDATE: Missing Bits
We’re chunking through these nicely and the third batch has now been dispatched, meaning we’re still on track to get everything out in the next 2 weeks or so.
Thanks for your patience – nearly there folks, and sorry these were not packed as well as they should have been. We have listened and learnt and shipment 2 will be much better.
UPDATE: Terrain Sprues
When we came to tool the scenery range we knew it was going to look fantastic and be rather popular
So when we realised we have some more tiles sculpted than we thought we did we just had to put them on a tool and get them made. This tool is made up from a selection of cool (but not totally necessary) extra bits. Why? Well - who doesn't want more scenery choices and convertablity right?
This resulted in a brand new terrain sprue that you can use to upgrade the scenery you’ve already got.
This new sprue – the Deadzone Scenery Expansion sprue – includes:
- A ramp.
- Wall tiles to go alongside the long edge on the triangular floor tile.
- Diagonal Walkways
- 135 degree Pillars
- Additional connectors, such as the crane
- and more!
This will allow you to customise your battlefields even further. You don't need this tile - but it does offer some more great modelling choices. If you want to pick up the Deadzone Scenery Expansion Bundle on the survey you can (and if you missed it, you can go back, fill it out again and add more stuff on - we will remove any duplicates and only use the latest survey we recieve).
You may remember that when we shipped the first batch of Kickstarters we flew in the scenery to get it in your hands it first and very early! The retail range will not hit the retail shelves until May. We tried to get the whole range - and we nearly succeeded - the ruin sprues were ready just 2 weeks after we finished shipping! So we put them on a boat and they arrived recently. They look great and you will all be getting them in the second shipment (alongside the Deadzone Secret Weapon tiles which arrived last week and look fantastic too).
Next month sees the launch of the BATTLEZONES scenery range, and we are having a limited pre-release of the first terrain set - the £100 Urban Quadrant. It is mainly built with Core Worlds, Fortifications and Landing Pad sprues and a couple of the expansion sprue. However, we want to show them a little taste of what else the range has. As a one-off promotion we’re going to be including 1 of each ruin sprue.
We always try and get everything to you first, but in this case it is the only item we can add to these sets that they don't have. It will only be a few weeks before you have your second shipment so I hope you can forgive us this small indiscredtion. However it would not be Mantic if we did not try and make amends - so if anyone is going to be at the Mantic Open day (17th May) or a show we are attending (like Salute, Adepticon or PAX East) then please come by the stand and pick one of each up too. Just bring proof of backing to claim.
Now, let's get on to the good stuff. As you know we agreed to re-look at whether it was possible to tool the Forge Fathers and Asterians in hard plastic.
UPDATE: Hard Plastics
The tooling for the Enforcers and Peacekeepers were signed off in the last couple of weeks, meaning that work has started on the molds.
We actually went ahead and added the Defender Shields onto the Peacekeepers Hard Plastic frame – for no other reason than they’re badass!
It’ll be a little while before we have sprues to show off, but if our Plague Zombies are anything to go by, the lines are going to be sharp and crisp.
Furthermore, we went back to our tool-maker and looked at putting the Asterians into hard plastic, but the sculpts simply wouldn’t work, so we’re pressing on with the original plan of keeping them in Resin Plastic.
While we are talking all things Asterians we have killed off the Drone Swarm! We nominated them because we could never quite get the concept right, they always looked weird and never really fit in with the feel of the army. So what we’ve done is replace these with a Cypher with the new Force Rifle, so you'll be gaining a new special weapon and a full infantry figure instead of 2 small spidery things. Much cooler, and much more befitting the army!
Secondly, we’ve also rebalanced the Asterian Faction Booster Bundle, dropping the basic Cypher with Flux Rifle, and replacing him with a very-awesome specialist Black Talon instead.
If the drones swarms or the Flux rifle were the absolute clincher for you then let us know and we can credit or swap to a different faction - but I think the Asterian faction looks and feels a lot cooler this way and you will be very pleased with the results.
Jet packs? Awesome.
Now then, Forge Fathers.
We went back to the tool maker and made the necessary changes to the mould plan and sculpts - this means the Forge Guard are going into hard plastic!!!
We’re making a six-figure hard plastic frame: Five Forge Guard - each one armed with Hailstorm Rifle and Heat Hammer, plus the Forge Guard Huscarl as well. We’re also going to put the Missile Launcher, Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon heavy weapons on the sprue.
Early Prototype Forge Guard painted by Curis Webb in the Nethyr Edge colour scheme. Curis said that there is a lot of detail on the model, but felt the figure was a little too small, so we’ve bumped up the size for when they are produced in hard plastic...
The change to hard plastic has a few knock-on effects:
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – because we can’t really do single figures from a hard plastic frame, we’ve removing the Forge Guard with Missile Launcher. Don’t forget there’s a vehicle in the booster though
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – we’re throwing in a complete hard plastic Forge Guard sprue, meaning you can build the Forge Father with Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon in the specialist booster, the Forge Guard with missile launcher plus you’ll get 2 additional Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles AND a bonus Forge Guard Huscarl.
Given you can buy one Faction Booster Bundle and get another of your choice for free this makes the faction Booster a very sweet deal.
If you need to make any changes - like add more forgefathers or scenery tiles - to your survey just fill out the second survey with the new additions. This will overwrite your previous entry.
Finally…
Next week is the survey deadline. It is your last chance to get Deadzone goodies at Kickstarter prices!
There are a few sculpts you have not seen yet but we’re going to try and get as many of the new kits previewed in the next week before the deadline so you can see everything you might want.
All in all we're in good shape for our June second shipment and can't wait to get these into your hands.
Thanks for reading and backing us! Once you have the second shipment I would love to start up a conversation about what you'd like to see next for Deadzone, but we can save that for another day
Best wishes,
Ronnie
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hard plastic forge guard!
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Post by: timetowaste85
New update is up, and the Forge Fathers are coming in HP! That's the good news. Bad news is we still don't have pictures of HP Enforcers, but they've been signed off on. So we only have the Zombies to go by (which are fantastic, if it's any consolation). I'm personally okay with renders and plastic zombies shown, but a lot of people aren't, and I know that's kind of disappointing to some. Surveys are due in 9 days.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
The lack of anything but renders and a solitary Forge Guard sculpt is disappointing with just 9 days to go until the deadline. As ever I do not think that Mantic are up to anything shady. However, the desire to meet delivery deadlines being put before giving backers full transparency and delivering a quality product is as frustrating as ever.
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Post by: RiTides
Link to the update page in case you want to see pictures with the wall o' text posted above as there are quite a few:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts
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Post by: judgedoug
as I posted on the comments:
"Okay... so what's the deal with the hard plastic Enforcers and Peacekeepers? What weapon loadouts are on each sprue? What comes with the Enforcer boosters and bundles? What do I do about all the individual Enforcer sculpts that I ordered? Are there literally no pictures of test models to show? I am terribly afraid of Men-At-Arms quality coming out since we have zero idea what the final product will look like."
fething christ Mantic, I'm a pretty big supporter but what the feth are you doing.
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Post by: Riquende
Mantic Update wrote:Furthermore, we went back to our tool-maker and looked at putting the Asterians into hard plastic, but the sculpts simply wouldn’t work, so we’re pressing on with the original plan of keeping them in Resin Plastic.
That's odd, I've just been back to check with my wallet about pledging extra money for more Asterians, but the money just wouldn't leave my wallet, so I'm pressing on with my original plan of only getting a small amount to use in Deadzone.
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Post by: AlexHolker
I like the supersoldier.
I might not want any, but it suggests a level of competence that I'd like to see applied to other kits.
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Post by: pretre
Peacekeepers with +1 Armor? Yikes. They'll be a tough nut to crack.
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Post by: squall018
The zombies do give me confidence about the FF and the Enforcers, but I really wish they would show SOMETHING.
I'm definitley getting some of those zombies. Will probably just throw them on my DBX survey.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Okay, decision time, was looking at spending about $100 on this survey...
I will be adding another $50 dual booster bundle (asterians/ forgefathers), too much of a good deal to pass up, and at least some of it is hard plastic now which is great.
I'm not adding the forgefather and asterian starters though, even at $50 for 2 I can get them at around the same price from my LGS. And at $35 each they're higher than UK retail pricing by £1.22.
Next up, connector sprue bundle is a must-have, and the alt. pose survivor will be nice as a rebs human proxy (I need as many alt sculpts as I can get for those!).
So, $68 total so far, room for some more spendy. Think the Expansion battlezone is looking rather nice, and maybe a sorak swordspawn just to see if Rebs finally get a model other than Kraaw or Grogans that is worth its points. :p
I'm playing deadzone regularly these days, really liking it, although the learning curve is steep, it is one hell of a complicated game. I completely forgot that I could both shoot AND blaze away in the same turn with a model for my first 6 games, which probably played no small part in me losing them all.
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Post by: pretre
That shoot/blaze away thing is awesome.
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Post by: Compel
I've not had the opportunity to use it yet. Usually I'd be happier aiming, or moving.
Mind you, I need to actually shoot/Blaze THEN move more often too.
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Post by: pretre
Compel wrote:I've not had the opportunity to use it yet. Usually I'd be happier aiming, or moving.
Mind you, I need to actually shoot/Blaze THEN move more often too.
Yeah, I love that we're constantly figuring out more fun and clever things about the game. The choices involved in choosing your actions are definitely a big part of that.
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Post by: Rhelyk
This is the first time I'm realizing a model can shoot/blaze in the same turn, and it's the oddest rule I can imagine. It already made no sense that HMGs could ONLY blaze away instead of being able to shoot as well, but now you're telling me a regular rifle can do both IN THE SAME TURN?! Pure sillyness.
I get why the rules as-worded allow it and I get why you aren't allowed to perform the same action twice, but this makes no damn sense to me. You can't shoot/shoot, except if you shoot and then shoot lots?! Huh?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
one aimed shot/burst,
then keep your finger on the trigger for extra less accurate fire
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Post by: Alpharius
While there's a lot of 'good news' in this update, there's a lot of changes without pictures and such.
Mixed bag...
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Post by: privateer4hire
scarletsquig wrote:... I completely forgot that I could both shoot AND blaze away in the same turn...
Can't believe we hadn't done that yet.
Thank you.
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Post by: pretre
There's some gems over in the gameplay thread in the Mantic forum here, that being one of them if I remember correctly.
Lots of little things in the game.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Quick reminder for anyone who hasn't filled out their survey yet, I have a nice easy list of its contents in the first post of this thread to minimize the amount of buggering about with the google docs form that you have to do.
Edit: Top of the page is a good place to post today's new pics, including some Mars Attacks stuff:
Hard plastic Forge Guard and Enforcer Peacekeeper render
Stealth Martians and Giant Spider render
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Shame that it looks like the Google Doc will not be changed with the option to buy sprues of Forge Guard, half of my 2nd survey spend is currently hard plastic.
The more I see of Mars Attacks the more I wish I had backed it.
Edit: In a slight bit of other news today I got my confirmation of dispatch of the Nexus Psi 1 click collection, so it looks like it has started shipping in the last few days.
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Post by: CptJake
Alpharius wrote:While there's a lot of 'good news' in this update, there's a lot of changes without pictures and such.
Mixed bag...
No joke.
The MA spider render is decent, wish Mantic had seen fit to release it before the MA survey was due.
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Post by: DaveC
I believe that's a painted resin mini and not a hard plastic mini.
Early Prototype Forge Guard painted by Curis Webb in the Nethyr Edge colour scheme. Curis said that there is a lot of detail on the model, but felt the figure was a little too small, so we’ve bumped up the size for when they are produced in hard plastic...
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Post by: Azazelx
judgedoug wrote:as I posted on the comments:
"Okay... so what's the deal with the hard plastic Enforcers and Peacekeepers? What weapon loadouts are on each sprue? What comes with the Enforcer boosters and bundles? What do I do about all the individual Enforcer sculpts that I ordered? Are there literally no pictures of test models to show? I am terribly afraid of Men-At-Arms quality coming out since we have zero idea what the final product will look like."
fething christ Mantic, I'm a pretty big supporter but what the feth are you doing.
Same old gak from Mantic, unfortunately.
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Post by: Joyboozer
How do we switch the asterians out for credit before the survey closes?
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Post by: GrimDork
I'm not sure I like the stealth martian color scheme. But the model looks fine. It isn't poorly done, I just dunno that I'll copy it for my own stealth martians.
I'm only getting a few sprues of peacekeepers and a starter/booster of both EU factions. Well and 80 zombies, the new terrain, lots of stuff really, but I'm not as worried about the peacekeepers personally. If they tank, and I sincerely hope they do not, I won't be out too terribly much.
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Post by: Talking Banana
They'd be fools not to get some pics of the Enforcer sprue up in the next several days, and not to add Forge Guard and Enforcer hard plastic sprues to the survey. They said they'd work on getting more images up before the survey closes, so all is not lost.
Currently, Forge Father boosters are less a deal than they were before (-1 Forge Guard figure so it's just 3 units now), but buying the booster deal gets you slightly more than before with the 6 man hard plastic Forge Guard sprue thrown in.
I agree about the starter sets. They really blew it pricing them at $35 each, a price you'd have to work very hard to find listed as high anywhere else. Even at $25 each for two, you're only saving about $2 compared to online retail, and if you're at Strike Team or above, you're paying for a duplicate starter you probably don't want or need. The only sensible option Mantic have left us is to buy the one starter you want from an online discounter for $2 more. They priced themselves out on their own survey.
Interesting that the best monster models for Deadzone, with the exception of the 1st Gen Plague lord and Rebs Teraton*, are the Mars Attacks bugs. Heck, the spider even looks like a Plague beast. I really hope Mantic give the Zz'or a full cg make-over when ever they decide return to them - if they were as cool as the Mars Attacks spider and ant, they'd sell tons of them. Very glad I ordered a spider right now.
Mars Attacks went from being a negligible side step, to an indispensable Deadzone expansion.
(* If you count the Teraton as a "monster," that is.)
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Post by: Azazelx
I also don't get this:
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – because we can’t really do single figures from a hard plastic frame, we’ve removing the Forge Guard with Missile Launcher. Don’t forget there’s a vehicle in the booster though
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – we’re throwing in a complete hard plastic Forge Guard sprue, meaning you can build the Forge Father with Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon in the specialist booster, the Forge Guard with missile launcher plus you’ll get 2 additional Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles AND a bonus Forge Guard Huscarl.
The "boosters" have a missile launcher each. And there's two "boosters", plus the "specialist booster" in the "booster bundle". Obviously, Ronnie got confused and called both of them a "booster bundle" here.
So it looks like with the change to hard plastic, they're giving you one less figure in each $20 "booster", and adding one sprue to the $50 (bogof) "booster bundle"?
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ That's accurate.
Check my comment in that update, they got the booster bundle contents wrong.
End result is, the $50 booster bundle gains one model (and loses the option to build one of the forge guard with a missile launcher).
The $20 faction booster loses one model, going down to 3 models from 4 (crappy deal, don't buy it, if you already have, get the refund).
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Post by: Azazelx
I have to say, that's pretty poor form given the whole "HIPS=cheaper models=larger armies" thing.
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Post by: CptJake
Mantic: Almost
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Post by: squall018
Love the new hard plastic forge fathers. What is that orange stuff on the bases though?
Not as keen on the MA Stealth martians. It might be the paint job though. I would like to see them in a different color scheme, or just bare plastic.
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Post by: CptJake
Looks like orange lichen.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So I bought the 4 booster bundle, getting one free. I got a Forge Fathers one naturally.
Would my wisest course of action be to ask for a swap, or get some sort of partial refund?
Kind of miffed about the situation. Hope they can figure out a good solution.
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Post by: edlowe
So second survey in, looks like im going big for 3 warpath armies. Lots of zombies (yea!) Plenty of enforcers still to be delivered however whats the best deal for forge fathers? Im hoping s.squiq esq. Will pop up and tell me where to spend my cash! )
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Post by: pretre
I think that booster bundle will still be desirable. I'm still getting mine.
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Post by: edlowe
They changed the booster deal today, still not quite sure where to put my cash!
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Post by: NTRabbit
I don't see how anyone who got the booster bundle could possibly be upset?
Unless you really wanted just 2 missile forge guard, you now get an entire sprue of 6 forge guard, so you're trading out 1 missile guard for an extra 2 regular guard and a Huscarl - and if you bought the faction starter you get that second missile guard back on account of the starter now coming with a 6 man sprue plus the full heavy weapon set instead of 5 guys in restic with just the guns.
Original Starter + Booster bundle:
Forge Guard Huscarl
4x Forge Guard + 1 autocannon
2x Forge Guard with missiles
2x Forge Guard w/ one autocannon + 1 heat cannon
+all the other stuff that hasn't changed
New Starter + Booster
2x Forge Guard Huscarl
10x Forge Guard + 2 autocannon + 2 heat gun + 2 missile launcher
all in ABS
+ all the other stuff that hasn't changed
The only people with a right to be upset are those who bought just the $20 booster, who now get shortchanged in comparison.
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Post by: edlowe
So im trying to work out whats best, 2x starter or 2x boster for more forge father goodness
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Post by: Talking Banana
scarletsquig wrote:End result is, the $50 booster bundle gains one model (and loses the option to build one of the forge guard with a missile launcher).
@Scarlet Squig - My understanding was that the Forge Father hard plastic sprue comes with enough to build 5 Forge Guard and one Forge Guard Huscarl.
The old format FF boosters had 1 missile launcher Forge Guard each, and the specialist booster included with the bundle had 2 additional Forge Guard in it.
So unless I'm wrong, under the original booster deal, you got a total of 4 Forge Guard models (two with missile launchers), but now we're getting 5 Forge Guard models and a Huscarl model from the 6 - man hard plastic sprue. So if you buy the $50 booster, you come out ahead 2 models rather than one (one additional Forge Guard + one Huscarl.)
Or is my math off?
No disputing that buying a single booster now nets you a much worse deal.
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Post by: pretre
Nice breakdown.
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Post by: edlowe
Right so ive gone 2 ff starters is this the best way to spend my cash?
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Post by: NTRabbit
I was considering adding another Marauder booster bundle because I love those guys, now with 2 for 1 I'm definitely getting one and another FF bundle. Gonna have lots of space dorfs and angry green spacemans
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Post by: Azazelx
 edlowe wrote:So second survey in, looks like im going big for 3 warpath armies. Lots of zombies (yea!) Plenty of enforcers still to be delivered however whats the best deal for forge fathers? Im hoping s.squiq esq. Will pop up and tell me where to spend my cash! )
Going for big WP armies, you're probably better off waiting for the WP KS when a lot more of this stuff will be in hard plastic, and they may have finally decided finally if they want to sell models for slightly less than GW or considerably less. Of course, if you're planning to paint and use them ASAP you can disregard that point. Automatically Appended Next Post: edlowe wrote:Right so ive gone 2 ff starters is this the best way to spend my cash?
Also interested in feedback on this. With a single starter, you might as well buy them at retail, so double-starter is a bit better, but not sure if it's preferable to getting the bogof booster bundle?
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Post by: NTRabbit
I think double starter vs starter+bundle comes down to the question:
Do you want 10 Brokkrs for $70, or do you want 5 Brokkrs, 2 Brokkr bikes and 4 specials for $85?
Noting of course that they aren't the only things in the packagse for that money, just that outside of those both come with the same number of forge guard (12) and mining lasers (2)
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Post by: edlowe
Well heres the Mantic mix up for everyone to see, and whats got me thinking.
The change to hard plastic has a few knock-on effects:
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – because we can’t really do single figures from a hard plastic frame, we’ve removing the Forge Guard with Missile Launcher. Don’t forget there’s a vehicle in the booster though
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – we’re throwing in a complete hard plastic Forge Guard sprue, meaning you can build the Forge Father with Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon in the specialist booster, the Forge Guard with missile launcher plus you’ll get Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles AND a Forge Guard Huscarl.
Given you can buy one Faction Booster Bundle and get another of your choice for free this makes the faction Booster a very sweet deal.
So I get the complete sprue I would have got at starter plus more, at a better dkscount if I buy 4?
can I note I'm mostly in this for warpath hence I want full units
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Post by: agnosto
*yawn* It's late and I can't be arsed to go into my usual Mantic rant. Suffice to say that I'm not surprised and am actually insulted when they say things like "they'll be in resin as was intended all along" even though they have an update saying that good zombies=hard plastic Forgeguard AND Asterians.
Yes, Mantic, some of us can read.
I and the Mantic fans on this board will be most happy for June. Me, because I'll finally be done with Mantic for all and good and the fans so they won't be burdened with my comments.
Carry-on.
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Post by: pretre
Amen!
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Post by: Hulksmash
I don't like that there isn't a way to order just the sprues of FF like there are for the peace keepers. I feel like anything I order will wind up costing me more than discounted retial....
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Post by: Azazelx
edlowe wrote:Well heres the Mantic mix up for everyone to see, and whats got me thinking.
The change to hard plastic has a few knock-on effects:
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – because we can’t really do single figures from a hard plastic frame, we’ve removing the Forge Guard with Missile Launcher. Don’t forget there’s a vehicle in the booster though
- Forge Father Booster Bundle – we’re throwing in a complete hard plastic Forge Guard sprue, meaning you can build the Forge Father with Heat Cannon and Hailstorm Autocannon in the specialist booster, the Forge Guard with missile launcher plus you’ll get Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles AND a Forge Guard Huscarl.
Given you can buy one Faction Booster Bundle and get another of your choice for free this makes the faction Booster a very sweet deal.
So I get the complete sprue I would have got at starter plus more, at a better dkscount if I buy 4?
can I note I'm mostly in this for warpath hence I want full units
This was ScarletSquig's resonse to them in the comments: Note: I'd trust SS's breakdown on this stuff more than I'd ever trust Mantic's.
Love the look of that Forge Guard, wonderful looking mini, great to have it on a proper sprue. And the shields on the peacekeepers is a great addition.
This update gets the forge guard contents of the forgefather booster bundle wrong, however. Original loadout
Pic here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/637/974/e209466d4cac4bf1d13e833e3031662a_large.jpeg…
...was supposed to be 2x missile launcher, 1x hailstorm autocannon, 1x hailstorm rifle.
So, you don't get 3 bonus minis, only one, the huscarl.
And of course, you lose one missile launcher option (but the faction starter now comes with the parts for one, so no big deal).
Agree that it's pretty bad for those who just bought the one booster, might be better to throw in a forge guard sprue for booster buyers and two into the booster bundle just to cover things properly.
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Post by: RiTides
agnosto wrote:*yawn* It's late and I can't be arsed to go into my usual Mantic rant. Suffice to say that I'm not surprised and am actually insulted when they say things like "they'll be in resin as was intended all along" even though they have an update saying that good zombies=hard plastic Forgeguard AND Asterians.
Yes, Mantic, some of us can read.
I and the Mantic fans on this board will be most happy for June. Me, because I'll finally be done with Mantic for all and good and the fans so they won't be burdened with my comments.
Carry-on.
Well, I found this post entertaining . I'm not quite That jaded... but I certainly won't ever be kickstand Mantic going forward...
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Post by: NTRabbit
If you buy starter + booster there's a net gain of 2 Forge guard and 1 Huscarl and a net loss of 1 hailstorm autocannon, remember the new Forge Guard ABS sprue has 5 Forge Guard PLUS a Huscarl on it, not 4 + 1
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Post by: Azazelx
Sure would be nice to see some pictures of these sprues, rather than the usual bs "we didn't have time"...
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Post by: scarletsquig
edlowe wrote:So second survey in, looks like im going big for 3 warpath armies. Lots of zombies (yea!) Plenty of enforcers still to be delivered however whats the best deal for forge fathers? Im hoping s.squiq esq. Will pop up and tell me where to spend my cash! )
You still want lots of booster bundes, get as many as possible, they are a fantastic deal. Make sure you fill out units of 3 for Warpath.
Forgefather booster has 2x valykr, mining laser, 2x brokkr chief, 2x demo charges, 6x forge guard (really weird number for a sprue).
5 forge guard will probably be around $15 retail, restic mining laser $15 and valykrs $10 each? Then say $10 for the remaining 3 brokkrs.
So, 2 FF booster bundles will be worth about $130 at retail, but you're paying $50. Which is great! Bargain, fill your boots on booster bundles. is my advice to basically everyone.
Don't prioritise the starters. $35 = £21.22 which is more expensive than RRP (£20), even putting that down to $25 by buying two doesn't change much, you can get it cheaper than that at discount retail (I'm buying my FF/Asterian starters straight from my LGS there's so little difference in it).
6 Striders is probably a nice easy pick for you as well for Warpath purposes.
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Post by: Saxon
It is a shame about the Asterians not being hard plastic as they are the faction I am most excited about but I don't mind restic as a material - the models tend to be more interesting.
Still can't get my head round the Forgefather update... But I do hope the models scale with the current storm rage veterans.
Peacekeepers look great! Love those shields.
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Post by: agnosto
 RiTides wrote:
Well, I found this post entertaining . I'm not quite That jaded... but I certainly won't ever be kickstand Mantic going forward...
lol. I backed KoW and got burned, not as badly as ScarletSquig but it was enough. I wound up backing Deadzone because it started before I received the second shipment for KoW which contained most of the issues I had with the whole thing, it was poorly packed, missing a number of items and contained no instructions on how to put the things together. They did the same thing with Deadzone but this time around I had help in a willing friend to get through the misshapen lumps of restic that didn't fit together all to well with mold-lines being an issue on more than a few models.
I went from being excited about Mantic because of the hard plastic undead to an active dislike of the company because of their apparent indifference about quality and increasingly worsening level of customer service.
I'm not a GW fanboy by any stretch but at least with them you know that you can expect a certain level of quality in their miniatures (outside FW and Fincast). Perry Brothers, Warlord, Dream Forge, Tamia, Kotobukiya, Wargames Factory are a few of the companies that I have purchased hobby models from and none of them have delivered models at such a poor level of quality as Mantic. Arguably several of those listed are cheaper than Mantic and still produce better quality. That begs the question, what is Mantic doing wrong? I can say that I no longer care, I used to but they've effectively burned that bridge with me.
Cheers.
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Post by: GrimDork
Already paid for my FF faction starter during the first survey, but I got it as one of my freebies from strike so no big deal over here. Otherwise I'd be inclined towards this "FF booster bundles, buy them all!" reasoning.
In other news, my missing pieces did show up a day or two ago so I can confirm that that is a thing that happens.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm only going to be possibly pledging for Mantic KS Campaigns in the future that have 'hard plastic' components.
And even then, probably only mostly for the terrain.
9 times out of 10, it really does seem to make more sense to wait for retail and getting the best discount there, rather than rolling the dice up front.
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Post by: Hulksmash
It's sad cause the test model for the FF heavy dudes looks good. I'd like to go in on them like several people are doing for the peace keepers. I just don't have much if any interest in any of the stuff in the bundles outside of the actual Forge Guard and since there is no way to get them without other models I'm waiting till retail.
And yeah, I've already been burned paying more for the few characters I wanted up front since at retail they were the same cost or less. So I'm extremely leery of ordering anything I'm not 100% on.
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Post by: edlowe
Thanks for all the help guys. I resubmitted with 3 ff booster bundle packs and stuck on an extra plague to fill out my other force. Plenty of zombies and just 1 peacekeeper pack.
May have to submit again if they show off the plastic enforcers, I really hate cleaning up the restic ones.
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Post by: carlos13th
I am going to add the peacekeepers to my pledge and thats it.
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Post by: GrimDork
Sigh, I added it up, and unless I've forgotten something, I'll be out around $200. Thats it for me though. Until warpath comes out. And even then... I'm not entirely sure I'll want that much. Some tanks, or especially some other vehicles, probably. As much as I like hard plastic models, I think I'll have plenty after these kickstarter rewards all start rolling in.
Been plugging away at my marauders from DZ, they're still restic of course, but I guess I got a good batch as the mold lines are very faint. These guys are huge and enormously chunky, I kinda like it. They certainly feel like aliens. Those poor rebs, literally everything in deadzone is bigger than they are (sans teratons and sometimes the grogan).
At Yonan's suggestion I picked up the DFG Stormtrooper Accessory Kit. The heads are definitely sized for space marine scaling, and the arms may be a bit big on some mantic minis, but the hands and most all of the accessories seem nearly perfect. And you get so many bits, 20-40 each of 3-4 types of pouch, stick bomb style grenades (not my favorite), a few weapons but not many, it's a really nice kit for the money. It would have been a home run for me if the pieces didn't slightly reek of weird/future WW2 or whatever (stick bombs on modern infantry what?) but yeah it's looking like a nice kit to splice with rebs and probably future DBX minis.
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Probably still going to source Hasslefree for my guns though, you don't get a lot with that accessory kit, and they aren't scifi enough to use all over the place.
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Post by: agnosto
I love the marauders but won't be buying any more.
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Post by: Barzam
I'm tempted to add the FF booster, but then I'd be down yet another $50 plus whatever else I've already added, which I think was quite a chunk. I've got to start cutting back on this stuff for a bit. I do kind of hope that we see some Corporation Robots along with those tanks and other vehicles in the Warpath KS.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
You want to split the cost of that BOGO Barzam, I'm down. Not sure what I'll be getting with my FF booster pack, but if you want to do the BOGO I could split with you.
Don't forget you to still owe me some space zombies!
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Post by: Theophony
Anyone deal with any good online mantic retailers who discount? Miniaturemarket has stopped carrying mantic except for the retailer kickstarter stuff. Thewarstore never has any stock, I've asked Neal about restocked, but get the impression it's not a priority. I don't want to derail the thread so just pm me if you have good dealings with anyone, or have had bad business from anyone in particular that I should be aware of.
Oh I'm in the u.s. As the flag suggests, and would prefer to stay ordering in country unless the deal is insane.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Actually, I'd love to see the answer posted in this thread, because if Miniature Market and The War Store are dropping Mantic, that is huge news. The only other place I'm likely to shop is at my FLGS, and they haven't ordered in new Mantic non-Dreadball stock in years.
It sounds pretty bad if Mantic is almost excluded from retail in the US.
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Post by: greenskin lynn
miniature market seems like it goes through cycles of having a bunch of mantic stuff, then only have a few things in clearance, then back to having a load of stuff
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Post by: judgedoug
Ayup, Mini Market has stocked, clearanced, stocked, clearanced almost yearly, it's bizarre. I've ordered stuff thru the Warstore.
frpgames.com carries Mantic as well, usually in the 20-40% off range, which is nice.
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Post by: greenskin lynn
yea, i was looking at frp earlier out of curiosity from this thread
my only problem with them is shipping gets weird/expensive sometimes
i'm always tempted to get one of the big elf armies when miniature market is in the start of a mantic clearance phase
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Post by: Theophony
miniaturemarket is a mile from my house now that they have moved.....AGAIN. They ordered mantic from the kickstarter and then would sell at retail with discount and still make $$$$. They sell through it and then get the next KS stuff in and sell it. But from what the guys told me they are fed up with trying to get stock.
I've contacted thewarstore.com neal to see when they might get the KoW rulebook back in because it's been months. they couldn't give me an answer. They said they place orders, but half the time Mantic is out of stock on too much to get a decent order in.
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Post by: scarletsquig
 Theophony wrote:Anyone deal with any good online mantic retailers who discount? Miniaturemarket has stopped carrying mantic except for the retailer kickstarter stuff.
They do this every year, no big deal. It's kinda what their site runs on, the flash sales.
There's a thread on the Mantic forums about this where an employee has confirmed no real stock issues on their end as far as the KoW range goes, US stock problems are likely to be the result of a distributor not ordering enough in to meet demand.
The only thing that actually went OOP is the basilean legacy book. One small print run, wasn't very popular, isn't get reprinted and is instead being incorporated into an updated KoW 2.0 hardback/ compendium (pdf still avialable until then).
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Post by: judgedoug
 greenskin lynn wrote:yea, i was looking at frp earlier out of curiosity from this thread
my only problem with them is shipping gets weird/expensive sometimes
i'm always tempted to get one of the big elf armies when miniature market is in the start of a mantic clearance phase
I'm also annoyed by their bizarro shipping, but, i've learned that if you email them after it arrives and send a picture of your Fedex box with the weight of 2 LBS on it when they charged you $17.95 shipping then you'll get a refund. Their site uses automated weight and from what I understand many items were entered with 1 pound instead of 1 ounce. Instead of going through 500,000 products to fix them, it's easier for them to issue s&h refunds.
frpgames currently has the Twilight Kin mega army on clearance http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=82136#.UzA1r_ldV8E
here's all their Mantic overstock clearance items http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=overstock&div=0&level=0&mfg=MGC
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Post by: GrimDork
That's some pretty hefty clearance, especially when you consider the discount you're already getting when you buy those big army sets. A few items even 50% off, though those are mostly marauder grunts and steel warriors which are usually clearanced to hell and back.
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Post by: Yonan
GrimDork wrote:At Yonan's suggestion I picked up the DFG Stormtrooper Accessory Kit. The heads are definitely sized for space marine scaling, and the arms may be a bit big on some mantic minis, but the hands and most all of the accessories seem nearly perfect. And you get so many bits, 20-40 each of 3-4 types of pouch, stick bomb style grenades (not my favorite), a few weapons but not many, it's a really nice kit for the money. It would have been a home run for me if the pieces didn't slightly reek of weird/future WW2 or whatever (stick bombs on modern infantry what?) but yeah it's looking like a nice kit to splice with rebs and probably future DBX minis. Automatically Appended Next Post: Probably still going to source Hasslefree for my guns though, you don't get a lot with that accessory kit, and they aren't scifi enough to use all over the place.
Dont' forget that bits seller I mentioned if you decide you want more eisenkern rifles. $1-$2 for 10 is pretty convincing I thought. But yeah, the rocket launchers especially aren't sci-fi enough to use, and the rifles are definitely projectile rather than energy based. Stick bombs also not very sci-fi as you say, but might look good for rebs as improvised explosives, who knows. Those hands... so great for conversions ; ) The third spruie in the accessory kit sort of seems liek a waste when you consider what's on the other two sprues, but the "MULE" could be useful in a lot of games I reckon, even if it's just terrain. It'd look perfect in some Battle Systems terrain for a Deadzone game for example ; p --- I got my missing parts from Deadzone wave 1 box today. I told them I was happy to have it shipped with my wave 2 but I guess they wanted it sorted through a more straight forward, if much more expensive postage wise process. I would have let the missing lower halves of the marauder dogs slide, but missing 4 terrain sprues - the guns/walls ones, couldn't let that slide.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
 solkan wrote: No drone swarms.
And I'd been considering ordering a half dozen for sci fi mechanical baddies. 
Taban's Escape board game had nothing but mechanical drones in various insect shapes.
I think the game is supposed to be hitting the market soon, and there was talk I believe of add on packs of the various mechanical critters.
Might want to check them out for your mechanical critter needs since Mantic's axed theirs.
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Post by: GrimDork
Yeah I say let them fix their errors and the financial punishment that entails will probably sting to the point they don't want to do it again. I was impressed they sent my stuff out overnight fedex like they did the big package, perhaps they have some kind of bulk deal or that's just how you get things over the pond if you don't want to send them on a boat. The hands look nice. I think I might even get some use out of the heads converting some space marines, I kind of want to modify the power armor to be less gothic/sci-fantasy and get some different heads and weapons to make a human merc company with bulkier off-brand powered armor. The pouches are already proving useful. I'll fish out some pictures after a bit of what they've done for Anne Marie Helder, along wit ha hasslefree gun and a space marine combat knife. Weaponized Anne Marie:
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Post by: scarletsquig
I'm hoping that restic being a packing nightmare for them will encourage them to make more hard plastic when they realise that a sprue will not have loads of tiny bags, missing bits in the tiny bags, warped/damaged bits in the tiny bags.
You cast a polystyrene sprue, then you cast 1000 more that are exactly identical in terms of casting quality and don't tend to have bits break off before they hit packing.
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Post by: Yonan
There is that argument I guess hehe.
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Post by: judgedoug
scarletsquig wrote:I'm hoping that restic being a packing nightmare for them will encourage them to make more hard plastic when they realise that a sprue will not have loads of tiny bags, missing bits in the tiny bags, warped/damaged bits in the tiny bags.
You cast a polystyrene sprue, then you cast 1000 more that are exactly identical in terms of casting quality and don't tend to have bits break off before they hit packing.
That is the most compelling argument. How much money did Mantic "save" by doing restic for a strike team instead of two plastic sprues for the team? But how much money was "spent" on miscasts, customer dissatisfaction, labor to pack all these extra baggies, etc? And in the long run those restic models cost Mantic more to make per unit than the sprues (after the tooling investment sprues cost like pennies)
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Post by: squall018
This is assuming its cost that makes them go towards restic. They have had issues with their hard plastic sprues (as well as some success, i.e. zombies). My point is, it may not be cost, but consistent capablitly that is keeping them from going 100% hard plastic for the time being.
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Post by: judgedoug
Mantic has responded to mine and everyone's "WTF Enforcers?!"
@Judgedoug - the Zombies were used as the sample for the hard plastic, as a mix of organic and hard edges. If they had been rubbish - and we did rework them once in the process - we would have looked at alternatives for the Enforcers. We did *not* start the Enforcer tooling until we were happy with the Zombie sprue, which looks great. The Enforcers are predominantly hard edges, and the Zombie sprue shows that the hard edges are great, just like on the scenery.
From there, we've signed off the tooling for the Enforcers. Only when the mould is finished can we get a sample sprue and make any necessary changes.
The men-at-arms was a different process. The models were sculpted by hand and scanned in and then posed. The Enforcers are entirely digital, straight from the computer to the steel mould, just like Zombies and the Scenery Sprues.
There are 2 Enforcer Sprues per Faction Starter, 2 per Booster Bundle, 1 per Booster. The medic and defender components are going into resin plastic.
@ Michael Dudek - the Enforcer sprue is referenced in the update in that the tooling has been signed off. It also says that there will be a wait to show the pictures because the moulds aren't finished - naturally until that bit is done, we can't show a sprue off. We showed off all of the renders during the campaign, the Peacekeepers have been more recent, because they've sculpted more recently.
The Enforcers will be in hard plastic - no question about that.
@ everyone - we've got another update coming out this week and are trying to get some previews for the "new" kits we added to the survey. We'll confirm the Enforcers as part of this update. Anything else you want to know, let us know and we'll cover it.
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Post by: edlowe
Makes me wonder how many enforcers to a sprue? I'd originally thought 5 plus the weapon options?
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Post by: Hulksmash
If it's just 5 to a sprue the pricing is similar to their restic and the likely retail price which means it might not be best to pick them up via the kickstarter..
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Post by: scarletsquig
5 to a sprue.
Retail won't be the same product, the booster bundles are hard plastic/ restic hybrids to cover defenders and the medic (which won't be on the sprue).
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Post by: JoshInJapan
That's 10 enforcers in a starter set, 10 more in a booster bundle, that's 20 enforcers for completists like myself. Combine that with all the WP enforcers I picked up when they were first released, and I won't need any more ever.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Don't forget the peacekeepers if you're aiming for a Warpath army!
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Post by: edlowe
Well I figure I'll be getting 30 plastic (1Starter plus 2 booster bundles) plus gone for 20 peacekeepers. Should be enough pkus the restic bits for a starter force to go against my forge father bundles and plague zombies. Not bad from a not-warpath ks
(Tho I'm still tempted to add some mechs at that ptice)
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Post by: Hulksmash
I thought the shields made it onto the sprue so it would only be the medic that you needed the bitz for right? Is that really worth paying more than you'll get 5 models for at retail?
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Post by: GrimDork
I think the most recent update mentioning shields on the sprue was referring to the Peacekeeper sprue. I can't remember what they said about the regular enforcer sprue.
I may have to pick up 3 sets of the striders just because.
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Post by: NTRabbit
It would be incredibly silly if they had the exact same shield in ABS for the Peacekeepers, and Restic for the regular Enforcers
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Post by: AlexHolker
NTRabbit wrote:It would be incredibly silly if they had the exact same shield in ABS for the Peacekeepers, and Restic for the regular Enforcers
ABS? Mantic still isn't using HIPS?
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Post by: NTRabbit
You say that as though HIPS is better, when in truth the difference between HIPS and ABS, as far as we're concerned, ends at the recipe table inside the factory - for all practical purposes you'll find just as much difference between spacemans made of HIPS from two different factories as you would between ones made of HIPS and ABS from the same factory.
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Post by: Azazelx
So, basically - as this ticks towards the final day they still haven't shown us anything else....
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Post by: Bomster
 Azazelx wrote:So, basically - as this ticks towards the final day they still haven't shown us anything else....
Yeah, I would have expected more of a frenzy of updates instead of the slow trickle since the end of January. As is, I'm not buying much more than a set of Zombies (on the basis of that one painted model they've shown) and two or three new terrain sets (that scenery expansion sprue was the only really interesting new thing shown so far).
I don't really care about any of the models in the various faction boosters - and as I'm not really planning to start a Warpath army those big bundles have even less interest for me.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I still want to know what I'm getting in a Forge Father booster pack.
Other than losing the missile launcher guy, was there anything ever confirmed to replace it? Or am I paying 20 bucks for a bike and 3 guys or so?
I'd like to know before the timer ticks down. I messaged Mantic too, and have yet to hear back.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:I still want to know what I'm getting in a Forge Father booster pack.
Other than losing the missile launcher guy, was there anything ever confirmed to replace it? Or am I paying 20 bucks for a bike and 3 guys or so?
I'd like to know before the timer ticks down. I messaged Mantic too, and have yet to hear back.
Did you get the Booster (which was three guys and a bike) or the Booster Bundle (which is two of the boosters plus some Forge Guard and a tracked gun thing)? If the former, it looks like you'll lose a model, if the latter, you'll get a few more guys (two sprues of Forge Guard, if I read everything correctly).
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ No, just one sprue of forge guard, two extra minis for the booster bundle if Mantic's rather strange quote of 6 minis per sprue is accurate (if they're planning to attach character minis to sprues as standard in future, that could be pretty cool).
The $20 booster loses one mini and gains nothing.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I think I'm just grabbing a few striders and another 8 battlezones. Both of those are actually discounted enough for stuff I want to not get hosed at retail. And I know the battlezones are sweet.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
NTRabbit wrote:You say that as though HIPS is better, when in truth the difference between HIPS and ABS, as far as we're concerned, ends at the recipe table inside the factory - for all practical purposes you'll find just as much difference between spacemans made of HIPS from two different factories as you would between ones made of HIPS and ABS from the same factory.
Unless you intend to glue them together, you mean
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That's what I was afraid. 20 for a bike and an extra couple guys really doesn't seem worth it. Disappointing.
Guess I'll see if I can transfer that credit towards a bundle instead of a booster.
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Post by: Alpharius
I thought that they promised us one more big, substantial, substantive update before the deadline?
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
I believe that is the case Alph, but they only have a couple of days and will be cutting it fine for most. Currently my 2nd survey only comprises of things that we have seen final shots of.
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Post by: scarletsquig
I imagine they'll be doing one last big update on Friday.
I filled in my survey, added FF/Asterian booster bundle, expansion battlezone, connector sprue bundle and alt. survivor.
Thought about the sorak swordspawn and metal enforcer with special weapon and then figured I could just convert them if I wanted.
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Post by: NTRabbit
 lord_blackfang wrote:NTRabbit wrote:You say that as though HIPS is better, when in truth the difference between HIPS and ABS, as far as we're concerned, ends at the recipe table inside the factory - for all practical purposes you'll find just as much difference between spacemans made of HIPS from two different factories as you would between ones made of HIPS and ABS from the same factory.
Unless you intend to glue them together, you mean
How so? HIPS is just another kind of polystyrene, Tamiya cement works exactly the same on it as it does on ABS.
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Post by: judgedoug
To reiterate:
@Judgedoug - the Zombies were used as the sample for the hard plastic, as a mix of organic and hard edges. If they had been rubbish - and we did rework them once in the process - we would have looked at alternatives for the Enforcers. We did *not* start the Enforcer tooling until we were happy with the Zombie sprue, which looks great. The Enforcers are predominantly hard edges, and the Zombie sprue shows that the hard edges are great, just like on the scenery.
From there, we've signed off the tooling for the Enforcers. Only when the mould is finished can we get a sample sprue and make any necessary changes.
The men-at-arms was a different process. The models were sculpted by hand and scanned in and then posed. The Enforcers are entirely digital, straight from the computer to the steel mould, just like Zombies and the Scenery Sprues.
There are 2 Enforcer Sprues per Faction Starter, 2 per Booster Bundle, 1 per Booster. The medic and defender components are going into resin plastic.
@ Michael Dudek - the Enforcer sprue is referenced in the update in that the tooling has been signed off. It also says that there will be a wait to show the pictures because the moulds aren't finished - naturally until that bit is done, we can't show a sprue off. We showed off all of the renders during the campaign, the Peacekeepers have been more recent, because they've sculpted more recently.
The Enforcers will be in hard plastic - no question about that.
@ everyone - we've got another update coming out this week and are trying to get some previews for the "new" kits we added to the survey. We'll confirm the Enforcers as part of this update. Anything else you want to know, let us know and we'll cover it.
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Post by: Riquende
I would love to know what Asterians I'm getting now, but I guess as Mantic already have all my money for it there's nothing really in it for them to answer my question.
On Enforcers:
"There are 2 Enforcer Sprues per Faction Starter, 2 per Booster Bundle, 1 per Booster. "
Isn't a booster bundle 3 boosters? So by getting a bundle you end up with one less sprue? I suppose there's a monetary saving made there, but at first glance it looks odd.
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Post by: CptJake
The booster bundles are two boosters and a 'special figure' booster, not just three boosters.
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Post by: Saxon
 Riquende wrote:I would love to know what Asterians I'm getting now, but I guess as Mantic already have all my money for it there's nothing really in it for them to answer my question.
d.
While we are talking all things Asterians we have killed off the Drone Swarm! We nominated them because we could never quite get the concept right, they always looked weird and never really fit in with the feel of the army. So what we’ve done is replace these with a Cypher with the new Force Rifle, so you'll be gaining a new special weapon and a full infantry figure instead of 2 small spidery things. Much cooler, and much more befitting the army!
Secondly, we’ve also rebalanced the Asterian Faction Booster Bundle, dropping the basic Cypher with Flux Rifle, and replacing him with a very-awesome specialist Black Talon instead.
If the drones swarms or the Flux rifle were the absolute clincher for you then let us know and we can credit or swap to a different faction - but I think the Asterian faction looks and feels a lot cooler this way and you will be very pleased with the results.q
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Post by: Riquende
Saxon wrote:While we are talking all things Asterians we have killed off the Drone Swarm! We nominated them because we could never quite get the concept right, they always looked weird and never really fit in with the feel of the army. So what we’ve done is replace these with a Cypher with the new Force Rifle, so you'll be gaining a new special weapon and a full infantry figure instead of 2 small spidery things. Much cooler, and much more befitting the army!
Secondly, we’ve also rebalanced the Asterian Faction Booster Bundle, dropping the basic Cypher with Flux Rifle, and replacing him with a very-awesome specialist Black Talon instead.
If the drones swarms or the Flux rifle were the absolute clincher for you then let us know and we can credit or swap to a different faction - but I think the Asterian faction looks and feels a lot cooler this way and you will be very pleased with the results.q
How many charge glove Cyphers are going to present, seeing as how the graphic and stretch goals never tallied and this hasn't been commented on by Mantic anywhere?
Believe it or not, I can read the basic updates, I'm just more interested in what they're not telling me.
Also, it might just be the tiny picture, but it looks like the booster bundle has two Cyphers with flux rifles, so are losing both for a single Black Talon? Are they both being replaced? Is only one?
I'm not interested in chunks of text that explain in detail what's being changed unless they're accompanied with a new itemised list. If I have to have one or the other, just give me a list.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I'm at work and can't get into my pledge manager. I don't remember seeing the terrain expansion in there. How do we add it and what was the pricing? Thanks for anyone who can give info.
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Post by: scarletsquig
It's all in the OP of this thread, you can add it by resubmitting your survey.
$8 per sprue or $25 for 4 of the new expansion sprues.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Time to start getting my information together of what I'm buying. Blah. I still want pictures of enforcers. Pictures are pretty enough, and I'll buy truckloads.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
scarletsquig wrote:
Thought about the sorak swordspawn and metal enforcer with special weapon and then figured I could just convert them if I wanted.
And by the time they hit retail you will have two advantages:
1. You will have seen them.
2. They will be as cheap/maybe even cheaper by the time the discount retailers get them.
On the Enforcer sprues are they exactly the same as the resin plastic starter set? So there is a Peacekeeper Captain, missile launcher etc etc? I still feel quite uninformed about them.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well the whole Manitc operation is set to move on 12th April
from Facebook/the blog
Handy with a brush?
Mantic’s time at Mantic House on Greasley Street is coming to an end and soon the adventure will continue at our sparkly new headquarters at Hempshill Lane in Nottingham. We’re looking for a crew to paint the offices of our beautiful new building on 12th April 2014.
perestia-prime-correctional-facility
Concept for our new office interiors. My bunk is top middle. Fisty Glue Man resides top right…
So if you are 18+ and have good DIY skills why not come for the day and get a first peek at our new base. As well as being fed and watered you’ll receive:
• a voucher worth £50 towards any Mantic products
• an exclusive ticket which allows you to attend the post Open Day staff games night
• our grateful thanks!
If this is you, come back to sarah.clark@manticgames.com quickly and come join us for the day. All paints, brushes etc will be provided – all you need is yourself!
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Post by: skarsol
Where's the office painting Kickstarter?
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Post by: agnosto
A stretch reward where you get to keep the brush you used but they'll change the size of the brush and color of the paint at the last minute without telling you... :-D
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Don't be absurd they will not change the colour, that would be silly, they will change it from plastic to oil based.
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Post by: Baragash
Given that most of their staff will be at Salute that day, I imagine the actual move will take place a week or so later
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Post by: scarletsquig
 Thraxas Of Turai wrote: scarletsquig wrote:
Thought about the sorak swordspawn and metal enforcer with special weapon and then figured I could just convert them if I wanted.
And by the time they hit retail you will have two advantages:
1. You will have seen them.
2. They will be as cheap/maybe even cheaper by the time the discount retailers get them.
On the Enforcer sprues are they exactly the same as the resin plastic starter set? So there is a Peacekeeper Captain, missile launcher etc etc? I still feel quite uninformed about them.
Enforcer sprues are not the same as the restic starter set.
Hard plastic Enforcers are going to be:
Enforcer with rifle
Enforcer with incinerator
Enforcer with burst laser
Assault Enforcer
Enforcer sergeant.
Everything else remains restic or hard plastic/ restic hybrid.
I assume that the existence of the metal special weapon enforcer means that frag launcher/ thermal rifle are not being included as an option on the sprue. Bit of a bummer really, reminds me of the plastic GW cadians that only came with grenade launcher and flamer and the actually useful weapons (plasma/ melta) had to be bought in metal... or more commonly kitbashed... but Mantic doesn't have the spare bits to do that.
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Post by: edlowe
I was hoping there would still be the option for 5 enforcers with rifles from the sprue.
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Post by: Bomster
edlowe wrote:I was hoping there would still be the option for 5 enforcers with rifles from the sprue.
I don't know how the Enforcers will be armed in Warpath, but I think it would sensible to create sprues with options for five rifles as well as one each of each specialist type. Any other way would be pretty stupid.
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Post by: edlowe
Thats what I'd assume, they wouldn't want to waste the opportunity and have to retool for warpath!
guess we'll have to wait till friday update.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Bomster wrote: edlowe wrote:I was hoping there would still be the option for 5 enforcers with rifles from the sprue.
I don't know how the Enforcers will be armed in Warpath, but I think it would sensible to create sprues with options for five rifles as well as one each of each specialist type. Any other way would be pretty stupid.
Of course you're right but, well, you know...
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Post by: edlowe
One things for sure the friday update had better be a full and comprehensive list of whats coming in each booster and booster bundle plus the sprue content. With so many things still up in the air before the deadline it could be chaos in the comments. They'd be better off extending the deadline if they can't answer everyone's questions until their sure whats happening.
Getting a bit annoyed with this flapping around :(
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Post by: pretre
The deadline is approaching! 2 comments 2 likes There are just 3 days until the end of the FINAL survey – making this your LAST chance to get Deadzone goodies at Kickstarter prices. In this update, we’re going to clarify what’s happening with the Forge Fathers, Asterians and Enforcer plastics – plus clear up any confusion around the Strider – and we’ve got some previews of the new metal add-ons. Before we begin, don’t forget that you can fill out the survey again if you want to amend your second survey selections. Just follow the link that is in your Kickstarter inbox. Enforcers The Enforcers are going into hard plastic. We do not yet have a sprue to show off, as the mould is not finished. Once the mould is done we will get test shots, take some pictures and show them off. The sprue will have the following components: - 5 x Bodies (Torso and Legs) - 5 x Blade Arms (Left and right arm options) - 5 x Pistol Arms (Left and right arm options to match Blade Arms) - 5 x Pairs of Rifle Arms - 1 x Burst Laser/Incinerator (right arm with gun) - 1 x heavy weapon left arm (for use with either the burst laser or incinerator) - 1 x Incinerator Backpack - 8 x Heads: 4 x Troopers, 1 x Heavy Weapon, 1 x Sergeant, 2 x Defenders - 1 x Sergeant Energy Gauntlet - 1 x Sergeant Rank Marking accessory - 2 x Grenade accessory - 1 x Holstered pistol accessory - 2 x ammo pouch accessory - 2 x Multi-tool accessory That means that you can build either a five-man squad with rifles, sergeant and heavy weapon, or an Assault Squad with sergeant and heavy weapon, plus extra accessories. Pretty cool huh? Sergeant Howlett is ready to lead your Enforcers into battle How many sprues do I get? In June, we will ship you 2 Enforcer Troop sprues per Faction Starter. The Enforcer Booster will get 1 Enforcer Troop sprue, plus some resin plastic bits. This will allow you to build: - 1 x Enforcer Sergeant - 1 x Enforcer with Burst Laser/Incinerator - 2 x Enforcer Defenders (Shields and Shotguns in resin plastic) - 1 x Enforcer Medic (NOTE this figure is entirely resin plastic) - 1 x BONUS Enforcer (can be built with rifle or assault blades) The Enforcer Booster Bundle will have 2 sprues (1 sprue per booster), plus the resin plastic specialists, meaning you will be receiving: - 2 Medics - 4 Defenders - 2 Enforcer Sergeants - 2 Enforcers with Burst Laser/Incinerator - 2 BONUS Enforcers (can be built with rifles or assault blades) - Enforcer Engineer - Enforcer Sniper - Enforcer with Missile Launcher - 2 x Sentry Gun But what about individual models? Anyone who has bought individual Enforcer models will receive an email from us to let you know what’s happening with the individuals. Don’t worry – it’s good news!! Asterians The Asterian Faction Starter is now confirmed as: - 1 Commander - 5 Cyphers with Flux Rifle - 4 Wardens with Charge Gloves - 2 x Weapon Drone with 1 set of weapon options - 1 x Cypher with Fission Beamer - 1 x Black Talon  The Asterian Faction Booster is now confirmed as: - 1 x Asterian Jetbike - 1 x Cypher with missile launcher - 1 x Cypher prime - 1 x Cypher with Force Rifle  Asterian Faction Booster Bundle is now confirmed as: - 2 x Asterian Jetbike - 2 x Cypher with missile launcher - 2 x Cypher Prime - 2 x Cypher with Force Rifle - 1 x Black Talon - 1 x Warden with Charge Glove - 1 x Cypher with Fission Beamer - 2 x Weapon Drone with 1 set of weapon options  Forge Fathers There was a little confusion surrounding the contents of the Forge Fathers after the last update, so here is a clear list of contents: Forge Father Faction Starter - 1 x 6-figure Forge Guard Hard Plastic sprue containing: 1 x Huscarl, 5 x Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles, 1 x Missile Launcher Heavy Weapon option, 1 x Hailstorm Autocannon Heavy Weapon option and 1 x Heat Cannon Heavy Weapon option - 6 x Brokkrs with Pistols and Heat Hammers (Resin Plastic) - 2 x Brokkrs with Muspell Rifle (Resin Plastic) - 1 x Mining Laser with Brokkr Engineer Crewman (Resin Plastic) If you compare this to the starter offered on the original Kickstarter, you are getting a bonus Forge Guard with Missile Launcher and a bonus Brokkr with Muspell Rifle!  Forge Father Faction Booster confirmed as including: - 1 x Valkyr Bike (Resin Plastic) - 1 x Chief Brokkr Hero (Resin Plastic) - 1 x Brokkr Engineer with Remote Bomb-bot (Resin Plastic) Almost all people (99.5%) who ordered a Faction Booster did so alongside a Forge Father Faction Starter meaning that your total contents is still more this way than what it was previously!  Forge Father Faction Booster Bundle confirmed as including: - 2 x Valkyr Bike (Resin Plastic) - 2 x Chief Brokkr Hero (Resin Plastic) - 2 x Brokkr Engineer with Remote Bomb-bot (Resin Plastic) - 1 x 6-figure Forge Guard Hard Plastic sprue containing: 1 x Huscarl, 5 x Forge Guard with Hailstorm Rifles, 1 x Missile Launcher Heavy Weapon option, 1 x Hailstorm Autocannon Heavy Weapon option and 1 x Heat Cannon Heavy Weapon option The Booster Bundle is the best way to upgrade your Forge Father Faction Starter. If you’ve ordered the Forge Father Faction Booster without a Forge Father Faction Starter and are unhappy, please do message us and we’ll sort you out!  Alternatively you can simply fill out the second survey again and confirm your choices. Strider As we mentioned previously, the Strider has been upgraded to plastic resin and you get 2 for every 1 you ordered. That means if you ordered 1 Corporation Strider on the original survey, you are actually getting 2 Striders. If you ordered 1 Corporation Strider and 1 Plague Strider on the original survey, you are actually getting 4 Striders, and so on. Strider WIP - this model is not posed. Does not contain the grilled armour plate on the canopy, it looked silly on the physical model so we took it off. Big shooty gun rifle is still included though!!  Each Strider allows you to build one of three variants, and each can have either a closed or open cockpit. Here’s a breakdown of the key components: - 3 variant pilots: 1 Plague, 1 Corporation with choice of either a Corporation or Rebs head. - 1 Open Cockpit with guard rails - 1 Sealed Cockpit with Closed Canopy - 1 Sealed Cockpit with Smashed Canopy - 2-handed Rifle - 1 Chainblade - 1 Flamer - Extra armour components - Shoulder mounted missile launcher - Various banners to "Rebsify" ( tm) your Strider. And finally We’ve now updated all of the Asterian and Forge Father images on the survey to reflect the final components in the Faction Starters, Boosters and Booster Bundles. We’ve also got some new shots of most of the new additions to the final survey. Here we go! Sorak Swordspawn  Please note: there is a known issue on the survey that if you select the Sorak Swordspawn, it is not appearing on the confirmation email. Don’t worry, if you’ve selected it, you’ve ordered it. Plague Enforcer  Forge Father Urban Demolisher  Asterian Pulse Bombard weapon attachment  Marauder Commando Upgrade  Marauder Heads from Commando Upgrade pack. Which designs do you prefer? Pack also includes special weapons. Enforcer with Thermal Rifle/Fusion Gun  Right then, that should be everything you need to know to get your final survey in before Sunday midnight 30th March! Remember it is your last chance to take us up on the Buy One Get One Free deals, the ridiculous price on the Peacekeepers - don't forget your scenery expansion sprues - and more.
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Post by: scarletsquig
This is hilarious.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Anybody knows if one can add more Antenocitis stuff?
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Nice to finally have all of the contents confirmed, still looks like the Forge Father/Asterian boosters are not too good value wise. Then again the starters look great value.
Hilarious good or hilarious bad SS? Always an issue when previous designs are adapted into new models.
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Post by: pretre
It is in the second survey, so yes.
I know I've got a bunch on mine.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Nice to finally have all of the contents confirmed, still looks like the Forge Father/Asterian boosters are not too good value wise. Then again the starters look great value.
Hilarious good or hilarious bad SS? Always an issue when previous designs are adapted into new models.
I'm not quite sure! Just find it amusing, the whole "shoot them then run them over just to make sure" design of the thing.
Dakka Dakka Vroom Vroom!
Also... if you look at the model.. and the position/size of the cannon.. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
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Post by: Thraxas Of Turai
Just confirmed via the KS comments that they WILL NOT be offering individual sprues on the 2nd survey. I assume this is because they fear they will not be able to meet demand rather than anything else.
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Post by: barnacle111
Good update, answers a lot of questions! A few spares with the enforcer spruces as well which is always a bonus!
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Post by: CptJake
I sure wish they would extend the survey until they could show us product. Well, maybe I don't, I'll spend a lot less because I can't see the stuff.
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Post by: pretre
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Just confirmed via the KS comments that they WILL NOT be offering individual sprues on the 2nd survey. I assume this is because they fear they will not be able to meet demand rather than anything else.
I didn't know this was in question... It wasn't ever on the survey, so I assumed it wouldn't be there.
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Post by: judgedoug
It's just absurd enough that I kinda want one.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Just confirmed via the KS comments that they WILL NOT be offering individual sprues on the 2nd survey. I assume this is because they fear they will not be able to meet demand rather than anything else.
Considering that one of the major advantages of proper plastic is that you can just churn the stuff out by the truckload, if that's true they're doing something horribly wrong.
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Post by: Talking Banana
The update's biggest news is that the second laser drill / mining platform with crewman has been removed from the Forge Fathers booster bundle. Yep, it has, even though they didn't directly draw attention to that fact - just compare the previous list / image on the KS front page with the current one. I'm disappointed in Mantic for not making this change clear in the text. Caveat emptor.
Previously I only thought that buying a single Forge Father booster no longer made sense. There was no reason changing the Forge Guard to hard plastic had to have any impact on the inclusion of the extra laser drill. I'm disappointed, and will be dropping the FF completely since the starter prices aren't really that good either.
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