Yay deadzone wave 2 arrived. Everything present and in good condition, though still have to check through each package.as usual. The labeled packages was convenient. Slpicase and hardcover both very nice.
Another DZ KS? I think manic needs to slow down here or the same problem will happen with DZ as happened with DB. They released far to many teams and expansions far to quickly that I lost interest in the game. There is now so much stuff for DB I can't keep up. If it were drip feed to me I would've lapped it up, now not so much.
Another Mantic kickstarter... do I give them one more try?
I still haven't played Deadzone yet, which is clearly my fault, and not Mantics, but after building a full wave one set out of restic, I'm absolutely done with that material unless I have no choice (looking at you, Privateer Press).
Looking into my gaming crystal ball, I'm not sure I'll need another game/army/setting, but I'm willing to take a look at the sculpts and see what they're making.
Whoa... not a single base, arm, sprue... anything... missing from my 8kg wave 2 order. The asterians and forge fathers have amazing detail, crisp and smooth with much better mould lines, I could clean smooth surfaces (stuntie bald heads lol) with the back of my hobby knife too, just like plastic. I also really love the design of both, I think they came out really well. Great space stunties, they really nailed that aesthetic on the brokkrs and I have no complaints about the space elf robots, they seem fast and elegant as expected. Has Mantic nailed restic just in time to drop it for having nailed hard plastic too? The zombies look to have come out great after pawing through the sprues. Really hope they don't settle for good enough with the wave 3 plastics because what they did in wave 2 makes me really positive for Mantics future products.
Oh the resin first gen and reb commander were both beautiful too, nice and crisp. I'll have to compare them side by side with their restic counterparts so I can see the real impact of restic on detail for myself.
After this wave 2 DZ stuff I'm still 100% behind Mantics kickstarters still (maybe unless boardgame plastic). They addressed my concerns promptly (ie. unannounced metasls) and while not perfect especially in QCing packing their KS still give great value for a good or great product. I can see why others aren't ofc though.
Was cleaning some more MA minis last night. Most of the mold lines on the US soldiers were pretty minimal. A lot of them could probably have been skipped but it would have bothered me.
The only thing so far that bothers me a little is that the hot water trick only kind of works. My dudes have been retaining a pretty strong memory and slowly (takes a couple of hours sometimes) been recovering their original shape. Going to get some near-boiling water next round and see if over-correcting the offending areas will do the trick or not.
The idea is that DZ2 will fund Hard Plastic troops for Warpath factions, and get the WP Alpha rules out there, so that when WP does come around next year, A) people can see Mantic can do Hard Plastic well (the Zombies already prove this by the sound of it, but more helps) and B) they can go straight in with the tanks, special units and other toys rather than 'line infantry set 8'.
They're planning to use a Deadzone 2 "mini" kickstarter campaign to fund hard plastic troopers for the core Warpath factions. Seems they want to get this done in advance so that the Warpath KS, whenever it happens, can focus on funding other things. (Like vehicles?)
MasterSlowPoke wrote: I've not received anything or a notice yet, where do I email them?
That is a great question. I'm in the same boat as you. Others have said they got their package without notification, but that doesn't really let us know if a stack of invoices dropped under a shelf or not. You can try messaging them on KS or e-mailing their customer service, but you will be hard pressed to get a response back anytime soon. It often takes a week or two or even longer for responses through those channels. I e-mailed Stewart towards the end of last week and got a response back in a few hours, but just pretty much saying shipping was still happening. E-mailed him again around 8:00 EDT this morning just asking simply if he could tell me when and how it shipped, but nothing yet. Not really sure what other options there are, so I figure I'll wait a couple more days before letting allowing the nerd rage to build.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Did any source explicitly say the Deadzone expansion would launch in November, or is that what we're guessing for the moment?
It's in Ronnie's blog post today - I quoted exactly as Ronnie wrote it.
I guess I just glossed over the November mention, as I read it this morning before polishing off my morning pot of coffee.
Guess it's time to start saving pennies, because as "small" as Dungeon Saga was, I'm sure this will follow suit.
I thought Dungeon Saga was really well run, and Ronnie's comment about how they had more backers spending less is probably what they're going to be gunning for from now on.
I wouldn't be surprised if this has a buy in under 100 like Dungeon Saga as well. Maybe a good chunk less, depending on what's included, since it "technically" isn't a complete game- yet, at least. It very well may be a standalone expansion by the time funding finishes.
"Welcome to the FINAL survey for the Deadzone Kickstarter.
** Please ONLY fill this survey in if you want to add something IN ADDITION to your first and second survey - please DO NOT fill it out with your other survey selections. Thank you! **
Please complete the form once only, and do not forward the link to anyone else to avoid confusing the results. All surveys must be complete by midnight on the 5th of October.
** ALL confirmation emails will be sent out on week commencing the 6th October **
Any items added in this survey will be invoiced via PayPal after the closing date of the survey. Payment must be made by the 31st October for your rewards to be dispatched.
If you need to change anything while filling out the survey, use the Back and Continue buttons at the bottom of each page (NOT the Back button on your browser - this will not save your progress).
If you have any questions, please send them to us via the Kickstarter messaging system."
Survey Contents:
Spoiler:
Enforcers Peacekeepers (5 Figures) - $10 5 Hard Plastic Figures.
Enforcer Troopers (5 Figures) - $10 5 Hard Plastic Figures.
Plague Zombies This is a hard plastic multi-part kit, providing many new ways to play Deadzone as well as just a great set of affordable sci-fi Zombie figures. These are available at $15 per box of 20 Zombies, or $45 for four boxes! Select the quantity of this item that you would like below. Plague Zombies (20 Figures) - $15
Asterians Select which you would like below: Asterian Faction Starter - $35
Asterian Booster - $20
Forge Fathers Select which you would like below: Forge Father Faction Starter - $35
Forge Father Faction Booster - $20
Forge Father Forge Guard (6 Figures) - $10
Female Enforcer Pathfinder on Infiltrator Bike and on Foot - $20 2 Resin Figures.
Corporation/Plague/Rebs Strider- $10 Resin plastic figure with options to build 3 variants.
Marauder Stuntbot - $20 1 Resin Vehicle.
Urban Pattern Iron Ancestor - $20 1 Resin Plastic Vehicle with resin upgrade.
Mercenaries Select which you would like below: The Helfather - $8 1 Metal Figure -
Battlezones For the purposes of this survey the buildings can only be bought in sets of any two Battlezones. Two sets will cost $50 and will include two FREE accessory sprues. Four sets will cost $100 and will include four FREE accessory sprues. Choose from any the following Battlezones - to make your selections, simply indicate below which battlezone you would like, making sure that the total number adds up to *multiples of 2* Core Worlds Battlezone Picture for illustrative purposes only, contents may vary from those shown.
Landing Pad Battlezone Picture for illustrative purposes only, contents may vary from those shown.
Fortifications Battlezone Picture for illustrative purposes only, contents may vary from those shown.
Ruined Battlezone Picture for illustrative purposes only, contents may vary from those shown.
Deadzone Scenery Expansion Battlezone This is a new sprue to upgrade your scenery kits with ramps and long walls for the triangular floor pieces. Includes a connector sprue.
Additional Accessory Sprue x 3 - $8 These sprues are in addition to any free ones that will come with the scenery deals above.
Connector Sprue Bundle (5 Sprues) - $10 These sprues are in addition to any that will come with the scenery deals above.
Gaming Mats Select the number you want below. Deluxe Gaming Mat - $20
I was hoping the booster bundles would continue not to worry I'll get the Asterian and FF one and put the $10 to something else, trying to keep this to about $100. Individual Striders is good I could do with 1 more.
DaveC wrote: I was hoping the booster bundles would continue not to worry I'll get the Asterian and FF one and put the $10 to something else. Individual Striders is good I could do with 1 more.
Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, I didn't imagine those going much further. Those booster bundle deals were disgustingly good.
Woot!! The books that I missed are available, as are the striders (I wanted 7, so $10 each is a better deal than 2 for $20 for me!!), and I'm very happy. Sad Howlett isn't one of the character add ons...I may see if they'll let me add him anyway, as I need an alt costume Logan to lead my models.
Hmmm the Forgefather boosters is $20 (£12.50) but is £9.99 ($16.50) retail before online doscounts they are off the list so. There's a few bits like the starters that are more expensive than retail price. I'll stick to the hard plastics so.
I haver been properly keeping up with updates so figured I would ask people who have,
And considering we didn't get them in wave 1 when we were told we would or in wave 2 when we were told we would I am not sure your seeming disbelief in my asking is warranted.
carlos13th wrote: I haver been properly keeping up with updates so figured I would ask people who have,
And considering we didn't get them in wave 1 when we were told we would or in wave 2 when we were told we would I am not sure your seeming disbelief in my asking is warranted.
Sorry, but it's been communicated pretty well, including on the invoice we got on Wave 2. If you hadn't heard by now, sorry if I came across harsh.
carlos13th wrote: I haver been properly keeping up with updates so figured I would ask people who have,
And considering we didn't get them in wave 1 when we were told we would or in wave 2 when we were told we would I am not sure your seeming disbelief in my asking is warranted.
Yeah, Mantic had them in tooling for hard plastic and has kept delaying them to make sure they are good - hence the reason we got the "holdover" PVC enforcers in wave 1.
After their gakky Men At Arms from the KoWKS, the decision to "delay until they are good" has been overwhelmingly met with approval by the DZ KS backers.
They even showed the plastic Forge Guard sprue and how there was still a problem with it which is why that was also delayed to Wave 3, versus shipping it to backers with sinkholes in the shoulder armor.
carlos13th wrote: I haver been properly keeping up with updates so figured I would ask people who have,
And considering we didn't get them in wave 1 when we were told we would or in wave 2 when we were told we would I am not sure your seeming disbelief in my asking is warranted.
Yeah, Mantic had them in tooling for hard plastic and has kept delaying them to make sure they are good - hence the reason we got the "holdover" PVC enforcers in wave 1.
After their gakky Men At Arms from the KoWKS, the decision to "delay until they are good" has been overwhelmingly met with approval by the DZ KS backers.
They even showed the plastic Forge Guard sprue and how there was still a problem with it which is why that was also delayed to Wave 3, versus shipping it to backers with sinkholes in the shoulder armor.
Ohh I am not complaining about that, I would much rather a good product late that a poor product now. Just pointing out that saying you will get it then is not always an indication that things won't change,
ulgurstasta wrote: What material is the Forge Guard in? Survey doesn't specify.
hard plastic sprue of 6
Automatically Appended Next Post: Put my survey in, 10 sprues of enforcers should be enough for a Starter Warpath force, to go with the other 4 from the starters and bundle deal. Plus 7 sprues of peacekeepers from exchanging my mars attacks pledge.
timetowaste85 wrote: Good God, Ed, you making an Enforcer army, or a counts-as first and second company of Ultramarines there?! 35 Peacekeepers??
I was tempted to round it up to 10 sprues of peacekeepers but that can wait a while, oh theres 6 striders for it as well plus the medics, engineers, snipers and captains. Think I've still got about 40 resin enforcers lyings around from the army deal, if I can be bothered with cleaning the restic.
But its not that big a force until I start looking at vehicles come the warpath ks and maybe some corporation allies.
I shouldn't bust your chops too much: the only thing you're beating me on is the Peacekeepers. I only have 20 coming in. Then again, I have 7 captains...
timetowaste85 wrote: I shouldn't bust your chops too much: the only thing you're beating me on is the Peacekeepers. I only have 20 coming in. Then again, I have 7 captains...
Seven captains is a bit mad! I guess you got seven starter sets?
Bought two metal ones way back. Got two starter sets in the KS, picked up another person's pledge a few months ago (had 2 captains), plus specialist pack. Yeah...lots of captains.
carlos13th wrote: I haver been properly keeping up with updates so figured I would ask people who have,
And considering we didn't get them in wave 1 when we were told we would or in wave 2 when we were told we would I am not sure your seeming disbelief in my asking is warranted.
Sorry, but it's been communicated pretty well, including on the invoice we got on Wave 2. If you hadn't heard by now, sorry if I came across harsh.
I still haven't actually looked my second wave box as it got send to my mothers as I was moving around a lot,.
It's cool mate. I probably took it that way because I'm having a bad day today where as normally I would have just ignored it.
Well. Got my stuff slightly sorted. Missing stuff. But that seems to be the 'norm' right now. At least it's not two months late. Pretty minor stuff mostly so far.
Thoughts/missing items:
Spoiler:
Got 16 zombie sprues, but should have had 18. Two places on the pick list so I understand the miss.
Forge father faction deck may be missing, need to double check.
Does resin bend with hot water or anything? Never used it, my rebs commander's gun is just slightly, maybe 15%, bent.
There are five colors in my enforcer pathfinder bike baggie, kind of amusing
Special weapon metal enforcer seems solid, two guns and another enforcer for whatever it cost, maybe 5 bucks?
Dead figures are cool. Three have a not-showing flat side, but the enforcer could just about be used, kinda looks like he's climbing a ladder or hugging a wall for cover.
The connector sprue bundle was only 5 sprues? For some reason I've been daydreaming about getting 10. 2 dollars a sprue isn't bad... I guess I was just planning on having more, may have to order another set to be sure to have enough.
The strider is a really chunky bag of parts for ten bucks.
I'll have to get out the fine-tooth comb, so far it only looks like I'm missing a couple of sprues of zombies and a forge father faction deck (kind of important but it's not like I'm gonna get to play before the replacement arrives).
My Books were separated by a portion of a packing envelope, the big hardback compendium took a ding on the top right but I've bought D&D books at stores in the same or worse condition (after checking for other copies first, of course).
That's roughly equivalent to a single battlezone. It's either the same number of sprues or a couple less I believe. If it's the same thing on the Mantic webstore it's got the 8 core world sprues (4 of one, 2 each of two other sprues) plus the two accessory sprues, and one sprue of connectors. Mantic webstore seems to have a free accessory sprue till some date in october.
Sounds like they're giving you the 2 BZ +accessory bundles on the survey. So It's kind of hard to directly compare.
But I guess for me it would be a difference of $50 for two battle zones and 2 sprues of accessories, or $64 for two battle zones and I guess 4 sprues of accessories. I'd say the KS bundle edges out slightly better for sure, especially if you don't need *yet more* accessory sprues (where I am). You can also order the new sprue not yet available at retail. Miniature Market is usually pretty cheap on shipping, or free over $100, but the free shipping on your survey 3 shouldn't go without note.
Accessory sprues are still a reasonably good deal, 3 for 8 isn't quite the 4 for 10 you'd have gotten ordering them earlier, but it's still solid.
On the subject of connector sprues and accessories mentioned earlier.
I ordered the 2 ruin battlezones originally, so I'm guessing all their accessory sprues came in the original order.
As an addition, I ordered 2 extra core world battlezones, no accessory sprues in there.
Each battlezone bag had 1 set of connectors inside it. The Scenery Expansion Sprue bundle had 0. There were no connectors mentioned on the bag, however.
I do see that there IS a connectors sprue mentioned on the reopened survey. - Also, 2 Free accessory sprues in each battlezone bundle.
@Compel, you always got the free accessory sprue (the double of the current sprues) when you ordered 2 battle zones previously in the kickstarter, so that's the same deal we've been getting (which is cool).
Did the survey have the accessory sprue bundle on it? I may need another and it was certainly cheaper there than at retail.
GrimDork wrote: Well. Got my stuff slightly sorted. Missing stuff. But that seems to be the 'norm' right now. At least it's not two months late. Pretty minor stuff mostly so far.
Thoughts/missing items:
Spoiler:
Got 16 zombie sprues, but should have had 18. Two places on the pick list so I understand the miss.
Forge father faction deck may be missing, need to double check.
Does resin bend with hot water or anything? Never used it, my rebs commander's gun is just slightly, maybe 15%, bent.
There are five colors in my enforcer pathfinder bike baggie, kind of amusing
Special weapon metal enforcer seems solid, two guns and another enforcer for whatever it cost, maybe 5 bucks?
Dead figures are cool. Three have a not-showing flat side, but the enforcer could just about be used, kinda looks like he's climbing a ladder or hugging a wall for cover.
The connector sprue bundle was only 5 sprues? For some reason I've been daydreaming about getting 10. 2 dollars a sprue isn't bad... I guess I was just planning on having more, may have to order another set to be sure to have enough.
The strider is a really chunky bag of parts for ten bucks.
I'll have to get out the fine-tooth comb, so far it only looks like I'm missing a couple of sprues of zombies and a forge father faction deck (kind of important but it's not like I'm gonna get to play before the replacement arrives).
My Books were separated by a portion of a packing envelope, the big hardback compendium took a ding on the top right but I've bought D&D books at stores in the same or worse condition (after checking for other copies first, of course).
Yep I got 5 sprues in my connector bundle. Yeah resin bends in hot water, at least chinese resin does, the only stuff I have experience with ; p Shame they missed some of your zombies, but at least you weren't grimdorked again ; p Same condition on the book for me, not perfect but acceptable, a little pushing/squeezing improved it. I got a FF Faction deck with my FF starter. Yeah the strider was great value hey, tempted to get more on this survey.
Pretty sure I saw accessory sprues in the survey but not sure if it was a bundle.
Yeah the accessory sprues are there in the 3 for $8 fashion, not quite as good as the 2 frames for $5 during the project, but still pretty solid. Connector bundle is there too.
Kind of tempted by hard plastic enforcers for survey 3... Tactical marines cost $40 for 10, or I could get 20 enforcers. I mean it's not exactly a no-brainer, but I do like the way enforcers look.
Peacekeepers are an even better deal than that being so huge, and the forge fathers are pretty tempting for SIX for $10...
I've bent TONS of Darklands stuff with the hairdryer. I don't bother with the water much any more, other than to quickly cool things off after blasting them with the hairdryer. You'll be fine with it.
Since I'm most likely going to stick to small skirmishes, I think I'm good on figures for the time being. I'll probably grab 2 or 3 more battlezones and a stuntbot to compliment my Marauders.
I'm liking this stuntbot so far. I know there were complaints about the detail of the cockpit but it's really pretty solid. I've seen some done better by GW but there are lots of wires behind him and a few buttons in front of the goblin. I'm definitely glad I got one, especially at the fancy price of $20.
Now I just wonder if I could talk Mantic into letting me get some of the resin upgrade parts for the forge father iron ancestors by themselves, I've already got 3 of the restic/metal kits but more arms would be neat.
Question for you all with the hardcover- how is the binding? Sewn? Glued? Can it lay flat?
Also- were we supposed to get the Forge Father faction cards this time around, or will those ship with the starter? I don't seem to have any with the current wave's cards (AI, mercs, peacekeepers, rebs, mechs...)
I didn't get my cards either but I think Yonan mentioned having them so probably just a mispick/pack.
As for the collector's hardback. I see glue, but I also see thread down the middle if you open it to the center. Opened to the center, it lays flat just fine. It's new and stiff so obviously the pages kind of flip up a bit if it's just opened to the first few pages or the last ones, from the weight of the pages pulling the spine left or right I mean.
I liked the little personalized message from Ronnie/Jake lol.
Might have to find a way to place it on my shelf so the cover is showing, otherwise it just looks like a blank black-faux leather ledger/journal/blank-pages-book-thing.
So after looking at the strider... wow that's a lot of parts!
Mold lines look light-moderate, with the smallest parts having thin halos from the way their little mini-sprues were done, big parts are not too bad.
Starting to wonder if I really want to bother magnetizing these.. or if I just want to pick up a couple of extras... By the time I fork over enough cash for magnets for the toros I could probably get another one. And all of the head-aches involved with magnets... Almost thinking quantity IS quality for these, the spare bits will come in handy elsewhere Maybe just do up a 3-strider squad of Corporation shooters, corporation melee, and one each for plague and rebs...
Is storage or transport space a concern? That's a big reason to use magnets for me. Have a much more compact collection. Also magnetising some things can allow them to fit into places they otherwise couldn't. But yeah at $10 a piece it's much more doable than say... 40k dreads at $US46 a piece ; p And having spare bits for other things is always nice!
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Not especially. I've found through my marine magnet projects that I tend to create weaker overall poses (even with the ability to move parts around) than if I just carefully pose and glue. I dunno a magnetized cockpit would be ok. Heck, you could probably even use a little bit of strategically placed blue-tack for the cockpit since it's such a static part. That way I could mobilize additional plague striders, freshly converted to the cause
I love how you get whichever bag the specialists come in when you get the booster bundle. Free enforcer captain!
Is anyone else planning to make a hexagonal doom-fortress out of their battle zone variety pack, or whatever it's called? Can't wait to clean and paint the little tracked grabber units, make a factory building or something.
Yeah I'll pay the worse posing when magnetizing. I've been working on a FFG Deathwatch character and trying to have him have access to all wargear options is pretty frustrating.
Dammit, I guess I need to fill out another missing part survey since I got no FF cards.
Do I need to submit a new one and mention all the other missing stuff from the last time as well, or just the cards?
Do you mean mention missing stuff from wave 1? They sent out boxes with missing wave 1 stuff long ago, I got mine in good order. If you filled out the missing wave 1 items form and didn't get it, then yeah you should probably mention that and fill it out - marked as such - in the form.
I wonder what prompted casting the head of the unicycle mounted and foot versions of the pathfinder chick in translucent blue material. At least on my two translucent blue bits the material makes seeing the detail about impossible. I almost thought they were scrap.
When the bomb drops there kilometres of plastic you can hide under should absorb most of the impact ; p
CptJake wrote: I wonder what prompted casting the head of the unicycle mounted and foot versions of the pathfinder chick in translucent blue material. At least on my two translucent blue bits the material makes seeing the detail about impossible. I almost thought they were scrap.
Any chance of a pic? I didn't get any so can't see what's going on. It sounds interesting ; p
Yeah I got two of the pathfinders, the heads for one and the heads and one arm on another, and both sets of kickstands were cast in translucent blue instead of the regular light blue resin.
My theory is that they simply ran out of normal resin and had to keep working with whatever resin they had left in storage.
CptJake wrote: I wonder what prompted casting the head of the unicycle mounted and foot versions of the pathfinder chick in translucent blue material. At least on my two translucent blue bits the material makes seeing the detail about impossible. I almost thought they were scrap.
Any chance of a pic? I didn't get any so can't see what's going on. It sounds interesting ; p
The kickstand piece seems to not be translucent, or is at least a lot darker.
Thanks, that's hilarious hahah. Is the detail the same for each material type/colour? It seemed as though the diff colours of Mars Attacks had different detail holding ability.
Yonan wrote: Thanks, that's hilarious hahah. Is the detail the same for each material type/colour? It seemed as though the diff colours of Mars Attacks had different detail holding ability.
The lighter resin (like the bike) seems to be the best. The darker (dismount body) is okay, maybe has more flash, the middle gray (arm with rifle) is about the same, the rider body (yet another resin) seems good, the dark blue and translucent blue it is hard to tell. The two tiny translucent blue pieces I'm not even sure what they are. I think one may be a ponytail broken from a head (one head has one, one does not) .
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I kind of want some stealth suit equipped enforcers in that translucent blue. It's a neat color.
I sent a message to Mantic about whether I need to completely refill the missing parts survey. We'll see what they say.
Clear resin would be a LOT better. It allows you to use what ever color(s) you want to get the stealth effect you are looking for. You lose the ability to bring out the detail if the resin is already colored. I did my Sedition Wars guys and some Predators in clear resin:
Washing a clear resin allows the color to pool in the low areas, if they are already all blue it would not give the effect of bringing out the detail, especially with a blue as dark as the heads I got.
I'm sure Mantic will answer if you ask them in the comments, but my guess would have been 6 or 7 heads, 5 rifles, 5 gauntlets, 5 wristblades, 1 burst laser and 1 flame thrower with left arms, plus some (maybe 5?) restic shields thrown in for defenders
Mars Attacks update is up. Delay in shipping because the robot was buggered up, but high pledgers will get free courier shipping and a Deadzone accessory sprue as compensation. In any case, they expect to have everything dispatched by the last day of October.
timetowaste85 wrote: That's the enforcer sprue?? Sweet!! Extra heads for anyone like me who has likely lost 1 or 2. They don't give you extras in the resin packs.
Will probably buy a sprue each of the plastic stuff they're releasing so forge,enforcers,peacekeepers
I reckon Mantic should come up with a different main colour scheme for their enforcers and whatnot something other than the white, which is a PITA to paint
Would I be correct in thinking that the Enforcers starter set will be updated to include 2 sprues of 5 Enforcers (and each booster with 1 sprue)? Just trying to figure out how many sprues I'll be receiving in Wave 3, and how many I should add in the survey vs. waiting for retail.
Ok. Then that means I'm getting 40. Lol. Two starters, two booster bundles. Hello, complete Enforcer army!! All I'm missing are tanks. And I'll have enough striders now to do a full corp infantry army too (HWTs, Striders, grunts).
Mantic's new Russian-inspired packing system? One man gets the base, the other man gets the drill. When the man with the base dies, the man with the drill picks it up?
Really haven't had much time to check anything other than all my zombies are there and my books are in okay shape. And now Mars Attacks will be here in the near-ish term? Bleh...at least my order is really small there.
To be fair the packaging was light years ahead of both the KoWKS and Wave 1 of DZ; still piss-poor QC if people still aren't getting what they pay for IMO.
It's all good though, I've been giving all of my Mantic stuff away anyway. I tossed a good portion of the KoW stuff in the trash and gave the rest away; now it looks like I'm doing the same with DZ, already gave my terrain to a friend...he'll likely get the rest too.
My dislike of the company and its use of this material I have learned to despise so much has damaged my enjoyment of any product that I receive to the point I'll just divest myself of anything I get.
Sadly, my experience with Mantic has driven me back to GW. I've been spending quite a bit on 40k lately.
Not too enthused by that the amazing Mars Attacks packing system is actually going to take nearly a month just to dispatch everything, and the more you bought the longer you wait....
Have to say that I think the Big Stompy Robot looks amazing, will have to pick one of those up at retail. The MA delivery delay (for about half of the backers) does seem to be causing a minor mutiny in the Kickstarter comments, then again it may just be a case of those with complaints shouting the loudest.
Agnosto: It is a shame that some of Mantic's more shoddy practices have lost them your custom. I have found myself buying more 40k recently too. For me it was the desire to model multi-part hard plastic kits at a certain level of quality. I am still wary of how the hard plastic enforcers will turn out, I would have expected to have seen some finished sprues by now.
judgedoug wrote: no probs. The wave 2 stuff is much better. I just assembled my wave 1 stuff by sitting down, putting STTNG on in the background and going one bag at a time
Please tell me it was "Cause and Effect" on an endless loop.
Anyway, I only got two restic minis from Deadzone, but they seemed quite nice to me. Some of the mold lines scraped right off. I did need* to use the hot water/hairdryer/plasma conduit trick to get the arms to line up, but other than that they were great. Well, and besides the poses being a bit joyless. But other than that, top notch.
*I needed to, but I didn't. A combination of brute force, apathy, and as-yet-unapplied gap filler did the job just fine, though.
pretre wrote: If you're going to throw anything away this time, pm me. I'll pay shipping to throw it away here.
I did that with the KoW stuff but I have local interest this time around. If anything changes, I'll let you know.
It was me! For which myself and several of my KoW buddies are still grateful.
I can totally understand hating on the PVC (it's really just not great) - but the terrain IS just great. Beats the pants off the old Hexagon/Platformer/etc modular kits, GW's SkullCity, Proxie's plastic building...
I can personally describe my being a fan of Mantic this way: They make great rules and they make models that are... good enough. Some misses, some hits, 75% pretty alright - and they all pass the 3-foot test. My need for high end models comes from places like Mierce Miniatures where I can get a model sculpted by one of the best sculptors on the planet for less than the cost of say, Nagash, or Antenociti's Workshop, where I can get realistic sci-fi vehicles for less than the cost of one Taurox Tonka Truck. For my super 28mm infantry though I am still grabbing the last few models I need for my LotR armies before the rest of the range is discontinued (and so much of it has been now )
pretre wrote: Yeah, I can't imagine throwing out models...
I actually did throw quite a few into the trash before passing on the remainder to JD. I'm lucky in that I have ample money but little time which means I have zero patience to give things a hot-water bath, scrape off mold lines or otherwise remediate models. Mantic seems very comfortable selling their products, in this condition which has resulted in them losing my business; in two years I have gone from Mantic fan to someone who could care less if the company disappeared tomorrow.
As I said previously, this whole situation has pushed me back to GW where I can at least count on the quality of their hard plastics (sculpts not withstanding in some cases).
Yeah, throwing out models that many on here would happily reimburse you for is asinine. Most people who have been unhappy and wanted to get rid of stuff have used the trade thread I built, and people like me have offered to pay back Kickstarter prices for the stuff. Don't waste it. Like kings of war: if you had Elohi, trolls, or ogres, I'd have taken all of them. Judgedoug and Vermonter both sold me stuff they didnt want at retail price.
There are times I've tried to give away figures for postage and couldn't get takers. So they get dumped. Storing stuff I don't want/need in the hopes of eventually finding it a home isn't something I do at this point. Sometimes it just is not worth the effort. If I don't want it and can't find a home for it quickly, it gets recycled or trashed depending on the material.
Having said that, I've donated a ton of good stuff to a local teacher who runs a gaming club at his school.
CptJake wrote: There are times I've tried to give away figures for postage and couldn't get takers.
Skeptical pretre is skeptical. That just seems unlikely.
You can be as skeptical as you like, it has happened and happened recently. I had a bunch of older figures unpainted I wanted to get rid of. Posted them on the For Sale board on LAF as 'for the cost of postage' as that seemed the best place for those particular figures. Only guy interested in them was not CONUS and the shipping costs were too high for him to accept. I ditched them.
More recently I sent a Dakka member a couple partial figs from a recent KS. I did not want them and he was the only person who expressed interest. Had he not grabbed them they would have gone in the trash with no regrets on my part.
A couple of years ago I had some really horrendous sculpts of 'Zombie Survivor' type figs I tried to find a home for. Same thing. They were crappy figs and really not even worth the postage, so no one wanted them. They got junked.
I've done the same with some books/rule sets recently. Though I gave away over 1000 books including at least a couple dozen rule sets, I had some I found after those got picked up that no one was interested in. So into the recycle bin they went.
I'm getting ready to move to a smaller place, I don't need to hang on to things no one wants, and at times some things just are not worth the hassle of finding homes for. If no one wants them quickly, they go.
Having said that, I sent foot locker filled with some pretty cool stuff to a guy recently, just for postage. When I can find a home, I do.
timetowaste85 wrote: Yeah, throwing out models that many on here would happily reimburse you for is asinine. Most people who have been unhappy and wanted to get rid of stuff have used the trade thread I built, and people like me have offered to pay back Kickstarter prices for the stuff. Don't waste it. Like kings of war: if you had Elohi, trolls, or ogres, I'd have taken all of them. Judgedoug and Vermonter both sold me stuff they didnt want at retail price.
I'll refer you back to my post where I said that I have little time. Often it's easier to throw something away than deal with taking a trip to the post office to send it off to someone who actually wants the stuff. I wound up dumping a bunch of the KoW stuff in the trash, giving some away to a local friend and sending to JD because it came up in an earlier discussion and I wasn't as busy with work/life at that point so a trip to the post office wasn't as big a pain. #firstworldproblems.
I wouldn't consider my lack of time and willingness to send a random person my personal property "asinine" but obviously your bar is set pretty low for that definition; to each their own.
And no, they were 15mm historical figs and when I've posted historical stuff on Dakka I get little to no response, so not worth it. That and I've had the mods delete postings to the Swap Shop when I had 2 up at one time (one was stuff for sale, one was an ebay auction). I guess the rule is one active post per person, and since the title and post templates don't really allow for combined auction and regular selling I quit posting my stuff to Dakka for a while, though I am getting ready to unload some Tyranid stuff (will be selling, not giving away) and will post here since they will likely move here.
I might recommend Bartertown if you want separate threads and an active historical community.
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agnosto wrote: I'll refer you back to my post where I said that I have little time. Often it's easier to throw something away than deal with taking a trip to the post office to send it off to someone who actually wants the stuff. I wound up dumping a bunch of the KoW stuff in the trash, giving some away to a local friend and sending to JD because it came up in an earlier discussion and I wasn't as busy with work/life at that point so a trip to the post office wasn't as big a pain. #firstworldproblems.
I wouldn't consider my lack of time and willingness to send a random person my personal property "asinine" but obviously your bar is set pretty low for that definition; to each their own.
You don't even have to go to the post office. You can print postage from USPS.com or through Paypal for cheaper than the post office. Not only that, but I would e-mail you the label to send me the stuff. All you'd have to do is print it out. Heck, if you don't have a printer, I'd probably mail the label to you.
CptJake wrote: There are times I've tried to give away figures for postage and couldn't get takers.
Skeptical pretre is skeptical. That just seems unlikely.
I couldn't give away DreadBall teams to players at FLGS for the cost of showing up and collecting them.
I asked that they also play in the League if they could but there was nothing to stop them from not playing once they had the minis in hand.
They couldn't be arsed.
After that, a local gaming buddy listed entire untouched DB teams + booster stuff for $15 per team lot.
I suspect he won't be getting many, if any, bites.
pretre wrote: You don't even have to go to the post office. You can print postage from USPS.com or through Paypal for cheaper than the post office. Not only that, but I would e-mail you the label to send me the stuff. All you'd have to do is print it out. Heck, if you don't have a printer, I'd probably mail the label to you.
Good to know now but none of that was going through my head when I was looking a giant pile of steaming restic; I just said feth this and swept what was on my desk into the trash can at the end of the desk. The amount I put into the Kickstarter constituted about 1/3 of my monthly hobby budget so I didn't even consider it would be worth something to anyone else; obviously one man's trash and all that.
CptJake wrote: There are times I've tried to give away figures for postage and couldn't get takers.
Skeptical pretre is skeptical. That just seems unlikely.
I couldn't give away DreadBall teams to players at FLGS for the cost of showing up and collecting them.
I asked that they also play in the League if they could but there was nothing to stop them from not playing once they had the minis in hand.
They couldn't be arsed.
After that, a local gaming buddy listed entire untouched DB teams + booster stuff for $15 per team lot.
I suspect he won't be getting many, if any, bites.
So list them on a trade site. I suspect you'll get a lot more hits.
pretre wrote: You don't even have to go to the post office. You can print postage from USPS.com or through Paypal for cheaper than the post office. Not only that, but I would e-mail you the label to send me the stuff. All you'd have to do is print it out. Heck, if you don't have a printer, I'd probably mail the label to you.
Good to know now but none of that was going through my head when I was looking a giant pile of steaming restic; I just said feth this and swept what was on my desk into the trash can at the end of the desk. The amount I put into the Kickstarter constituted about 1/3 of my monthly hobby budget so I didn't even consider it would be worth something to anyone else; obviously one man's trash and all that.
Fair enough. Something to think about next time it comes up though.
For future reference, whenever you start hating on your Mantic stuff and want to get rid of it, talk to this guy here.
Me.
Barzam and I have a younger teenage cousin with some lousy parents who have dumped him on our 80+ year old grandparents while they go off gallivanting in opposite ends of the world.
Kid has the gaming passion but no finances to support it, and subsists on gaming gifts or hand me downs from the two of us.
back on topic- I was good and only ordered a stunt bot and some ruins from this final survey. Barzam said he liked his stuntbot, so that's good enough for me, and I don't have any ruins to speak of, other than what's coming with my now delayed Mars Attacks.
Did they ever say how much a pre arranged Bloodshed on the Battlefield will weigh? I wonder if that will get the instant courier upgrade.
CptJake wrote: There are times I've tried to give away figures for postage and couldn't get takers.
Skeptical pretre is skeptical. That just seems unlikely.
I couldn't give away DreadBall teams to players at FLGS for the cost of showing up and collecting them.
I asked that they also play in the League if they could but there was nothing to stop them from not playing once they had the minis in hand.
They couldn't be arsed.
After that, a local gaming buddy listed entire untouched DB teams + booster stuff for $15 per team lot.
I suspect he won't be getting many, if any, bites.
So list them on a trade site. I suspect you'll get a lot more hits.
pretre wrote: You don't even have to go to the post office. You can print postage from USPS.com or through Paypal for cheaper than the post office. Not only that, but I would e-mail you the label to send me the stuff. All you'd have to do is print it out. Heck, if you don't have a printer, I'd probably mail the label to you.
Good to know now but none of that was going through my head when I was looking a giant pile of steaming restic; I just said feth this and swept what was on my desk into the trash can at the end of the desk. The amount I put into the Kickstarter constituted about 1/3 of my monthly hobby budget so I didn't even consider it would be worth something to anyone else; obviously one man's trash and all that.
Fair enough. Something to think about next time it comes up though.
I did list them on a trade site.
Heck, I've seen GW stuff NOS hard to get rid of at 50% MSRP and even more discount.
If the king of gaming companies' stuff can be unprofitable to shift, it's not hard to believe that Mantic (esp. with their short but known history of QC) stuff is sometimes easier to trash than trade/sell.
privateer4hire wrote: I did list them on a trade site. Heck, I've seen GW stuff NOS hard to get rid of at 50% MSRP and even more discount. If the king of gaming companies' stuff can be unprofitable to shift, it's not hard to believe that Mantic (esp. with their short but known history of QC) stuff is sometimes easier to trash than trade/sell.
I am again skeptical. I do A LOT of trading, reselling, etc. I have never had a hard time getting rid of NOSGW stuff. Dwarves are the closest I've come and even that wasn't so bad.
Not the Sprue but here's the digital parts image. The Mauls and claws have been dropped AFAIK and this may have changed in layout but it's an indication.
most of it seems to have made it as is to the final minis below
Mantic Games
The sprue comes with a wrist blade for the sergeant, rifles and energy gauntlets for all five models, and defender shields. Also, there is an incinerator and a burst laser, and a range of heads.
Five models per sprue.
Hope that helps! (Dave)
i followed up asking how many defender shields are on the sprue.
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DaveC wrote: Not the Sprue but here's the digital parts image.
Yeah but doesn't show a part count (otherwise we'd only be getting three heads, haha)
That's my main concern - so I know how many sprues to order so I can make a heavy weapon squad, a defender shield squad, normal shooty squads, etc
Mantic Games
The sprue comes with a wrist blade for the sergeant, rifles and energy gauntlets for all five models, and defender shields. Also, there is an incinerator and a burst laser, and a range of heads.
Five models per sprue.
Hope that helps! (Dave)
i followed up asking how many defender shields are on the sprue.
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DaveC wrote: Not the Sprue but here's the digital parts image.
Yeah but doesn't show a part count (otherwise we'd only be getting three heads, haha)
That's my main concern - so I know how many sprues to order so I can make a heavy weapon squad, a defender shield squad, normal shooty squads, etc
How did you go about contacting them? I'm still sans anything and they're ignoring my "Could you please simply let me know what date my order shipped, so I can stop asking" e-mails/messages.
Seems kinda strange that the hard plastic Peacekeeper sprue get a hard plastic shield, but the hard plastic Enforcer sprue has to make do with an identical restic shield. I still think they'll come with a baggie of restic shields, and the email is just confusingly worded.
That's my main concern - so I know how many sprues to order so I can make a heavy weapon squad, a defender shield squad, normal shooty squads, etc
There are five kinds of Peacekeeper excluding the Captain - PK with gauntlet, PK with wristblade, PK with burst laser, PK defender, and PK with incinerator - and 5 bodies per sprue. Rightly assuming that you can at the very least make 1 of each type per sprue, that means it takes 5 sprues to make a 5 man squad of each
Doug Craig -> Mantic Games
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Can someone tell me what weapons and options are on the Peacekeepers sprue? I'd like to finalize my third survey order but I can't until I know how many Peacekeepers to order.
Doug Craig
Mantic Games > The sprue comes with a wrist blade for the sergeant, rifles and energy gauntlets for all five models, and defender shields. Also, there is an incinerator and a burst laser, and a range of heads.
Five models per sprue.
Hope that helps! (Dave)
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Doug Craig > Is there enough defender shields for all five Peacekeepers to be outfitted with them?
Is the incinerator and burst laser both one-handed (like in the Survey pic for the Peacekeepers)?
Thank you very much!
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Mantic Games > 1) I have no idea, but I can check it up, if you give me a day or so. I think the answer is yes (why wouldn't you include enough?)
2) Yep, they're one handed.
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Doug Craig > Thanks! Please do check. If there's only 1-2 shields per sprue then I would need to order more sprues to make a whole unit equipped with them, for instance. And if the sprue has one wrist blade, then I would need at least five sprues to make a unit of five with wrist blades. Thanks again!!
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privateer4hire wrote: I did list them on a trade site.
Heck, I've seen GW stuff NOS hard to get rid of at 50% MSRP and even more discount.
If the king of gaming companies' stuff can be unprofitable to shift, it's not hard to believe that Mantic (esp. with their short but known history of QC) stuff is sometimes easier to trash than trade/sell.
I am again skeptical. I do A LOT of trading, reselling, etc. I have never had a hard time getting rid of NOSGW stuff. Dwarves are the closest I've come and even that wasn't so bad.
Darn. Would have gotten away with my wild tale of local trading/selling situation if it hadn't been for those skeptical kids.
privateer4hire wrote: I did list them on a trade site.
Heck, I've seen GW stuff NOS hard to get rid of at 50% MSRP and even more discount.
If the king of gaming companies' stuff can be unprofitable to shift, it's not hard to believe that Mantic (esp. with their short but known history of QC) stuff is sometimes easier to trash than trade/sell.
I am again skeptical. I do A LOT of trading, reselling, etc. I have never had a hard time getting rid of NOSGW stuff. Dwarves are the closest I've come and even that wasn't so bad.
Darn. Would have gotten away with my wild tale of local trading/selling situation if it hadn't been for those skeptical kids.
I actually just bought a Necrosphinx for like $25 brand new in box because Warhammer is doing so abysmal in central Virginia. (Two of the three FLGS in Richmond VA have stopped carrying WHFB)
A year ago I bought a skaven army, almost all new on sprue, for something like 80% off.
So, between my initial KS pledge, the first survey and the second survey, I've spent over $1,000 on this game. As tempting as more zombies or Peacekeepers are, I think I won't be adding any more.
JoshInJapan wrote: So, between my initial KS pledge, the first survey and the second survey, I've spent over $1,000 on this game. As tempting as more zombies or Peacekeepers are, I think I won't be adding any more.
6 full armies, multiple cubic feet of terrain, rulebooks, signed nude photos of Ronnie and Fisty Glue Man with lipstick kisses... it was a well spent $1,000 at least ; )
(same $$$ here... but I'm adding a few extra plastics still because Ronnie reasons)
JoshInJapan wrote: So, between my initial KS pledge, the first survey and the second survey, I've spent over $1,000 on this game. As tempting as more zombies or Peacekeepers are, I think I won't be adding any more.
6 full armies, multiple cubic feet of terrain, rulebooks, signed nude photos of Ronnie and Fisty Glue Man with lipstick kisses... it was a well spent $1,000 at least ; )
(same $$$ here... but I'm adding a few extra plastics still because Ronnie reasons)
Is this where the club is meeting now?
I might add a tiny bit more depending how much I like the Forge Fathers, but with bunches of Enforcers due I'm thinking I'm good there.
Some things have been frustrating, like tracking down all the missing parts from Wave 1, but overall so far I'm still pretty happy with the investment.
str00dles1 wrote: I wish I ordered tons more peacekeepers. For 9 points they are amazing. anyone know if they will be selling singles of these models? Really need more
Highly doubt it, they'd be selling them by the sprue since they're hard plastic. You can get more sprues of 5 of them for $10 in the third survey if you want more, better to buy them now if you only want another sprue or two, they'll only be this cheap again at retail if you're buying a 40 peacekeeper pack or somesuch, same as usual for Mantic.
str00dles1 wrote: I wish I ordered tons more peacekeepers. For 9 points they are amazing. anyone know if they will be selling singles of these models? Really need more
Are you sure you don't mean Pathfinders? The scout/sniper ones? Peacekeepers are about 17 points if I recall, but superbly shooty and tough.
I'd say that with 1 Pathfinder you'll be getting, you could use the N-32 Merc as a counts-as for another, and then maybe knock something together from combining Corporation/Enforcer bits?
Doug Craig -> Mantic Games
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Can someone tell me what weapons and options are on the Peacekeepers sprue? I'd like to finalize my third survey order but I can't until I know how many Peacekeepers to order.
Doug Craig
"Mantic Games > Just got confirmation. Five shields! "
CONFIRMATION: THERE ARE FIVE SHIELDS ON THE SPRUE.
A sprue of five Enforcer Peacekeepers includes:
5 x Peacekeeper (different poses) with extra heads
1 x Wrist Blade Arm
5 x Rifle Arms
5 x Energy Gauntlet Arms
5 x Defender Shields
1 x Incinerator arm
1 x Burst Laser arm
NTRabbit wrote: Hoping we get physical versions of those missing cards in wave 3.
I don't expect to see them until Mantic tacks them on to the card deck production order for the next Deadzone kickstarter. I expect anyone who has already bought one of those figures (I bought the Swordspawn) will have to pay to get the physical card.
I don't mind; I'd be buying into the next Deadzone KS anyway.
Those wave 2 guys could just end up included with whatever random mercs show up in November.
Is it wrong of me to want an honest to goodness merc faction? They could even do something simple like take some of the basic grunts from each faction, give them merc stats, and let you build your own original warbands of whatever survivors you can scrape together.
Hell, make it a survivor faction and let them loose in a zombie campaign.
Anyone know a way to add a couple of extras on to an already submitted survey? I filled out my wave 3 and hit submit, then realized I needed (okay wanted ;-) ) some more of the plastic Forge Fathers.
Just got the latest Mantic Newsletter. Looks like MA hits Retail on Monday.
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mitch_rifle wrote: Will probably buy a sprue each of the plastic stuff they're releasing so forge,enforcers,peacekeepers
I reckon Mantic should come up with a different main colour scheme for their enforcers and whatnot something other than the white, which is a PITA to paint
They're this game's Space Marines. Paint them however you like!
Yep. Should have just enough to use for deadzone, or possibly a cramped infinity boarding action set up. Or maybe a couple of small-medium space ships The crates and other scatter bits will fit in nicely with my battlezones, and I got those extra outside walls so I may investigate mixing up boards using both scenery types as well.
So to those that have the female pathfinder on bike and on foot, is she worth the $20 they are charging on the survey? How has the casting turned out as I cannot really tell with all that different coloured resin.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: So to those that have the female pathfinder on bike and on foot, is she worth the $20 they are charging on the survey? How has the casting turned out as I cannot really tell with all that different coloured resin.
I do have it, and I don't think it is worth the $20.
From what I can tell, the castings are well done and detailed, but some colors (especially the two heads I got in that horrid translucent blue) you can't really tell. Maybe once primed they will look okay.
I guess $20 isn't bad for two resin figures, with one being on the unicycle. I don't particularly like the multi-colored bits, and don't like the pose of the one riding the unicycle. If you are gonna insert scouts/snipers via bike the bike needs a scabbard for the rifle (and maybe saddle bags for other gear). Having the figure fire a rifle while holding the bike up with one foot isn't the pose I would have chosen.
Now, aside from my bitching about the different materials, the rest of my whining is style, and to be fair, we were shown sketches and I bought the darned thing anyway. Mantic delivered the style they said they would. Again, the castings, on the parts I can tell, did come out decently.
So is it worth it? It is a subjective call. I'm not too upset I got it, but now having it I wouldn't get another for that cost.
Looking at the model it's not bad and it seems to hold pretty true to what we were shown during the early post-KS previews. On my pledge the price was a rounding error, and still like it enough to say I'd have bought it again. That said, I'm not sure I'd jump on it if I was on the fence about it. It's a decent model, but I'm not sure the value is there at $20 if you're wanting to be talked into it versus needing to be talked out of it.
It's a decent pair of models. I've primed mine and the translucent blue heads look fine. I'm fine with the pose- someone told me the bike is supposed to have a kickstand for stability, and I did see that part, but it was clear blue plastic and I chucked it thinking it was junk.
Is it work 20 bucks? I guess so, if you really want it. If not, $15 max.
Finally had a chance to do the initial survey of the order. Missing 2 of 3 Swordspawn, but everything else looks to be there in some shape or form. Only done the parts inventory on the hard plastic stuff and resin stuff and the only thing awry there is my Rebs commander has a broken gun barrel. That should be simple enough to fix though since the piece is still there.
Only question mark is the Enforcer booster bundle since I'm not sure what that's supposed to look like. With a doubled-up bundle I should have 4 baggies with medic+shields and 2 sets of specialists like from the starter, right? I'll have to tear into it more later, but I think it's either right or wrong in my favor though so we'll roll with it. Just would be nice to be sure.
While missing 2 models is mildly annoying and missing parts is still TBD, it's a heck of a lot better than Wave 1 where entire starters were MIA and one of my battlezones was half its correct size. The expansion scenery should be fun to tinker with too. Now I just need to worry about my terrain tub not fitting all this stuff.
RobertsMinis wrote: I have a really stupid question. If I got the 4x4 Secret Weapons board, I'm assuming I should have got 16 tiles rather than 4... I feel stupid...
Did you buy the Display Board? $50? Thats only 4 tiles.
Did you buy the Skirmisher? $125? Thats 16 tiles.
IIRC, only the display board was part of the Deadzone Kickstarter.
RobertsMinis wrote: I have a really stupid question. If I got the 4x4 Secret Weapons board, I'm assuming I should have got 16 tiles rather than 4... I feel stupid...
Did you buy the Display Board? $50? Thats only 4 tiles.
Did you buy the Skirmisher? $125? Thats 16 tiles.
IIRC, only the display board was part of the Deadzone Kickstarter.
I just checked the original survey email the 4x4 16 tile set was an option for $150.
It sounds like they might have sent the wrong set? 4x4 is definitely 16 tiles
Krinsath wrote: Only question mark is the Enforcer booster bundle since I'm not sure what that's supposed to look like. With a doubled-up bundle I should have 4 baggies with medic+shields and 2 sets of specialists like from the starter, right? I'll have to tear into it more later, but I think it's either right or wrong in my favor though so we'll roll with it. Just would be nice to be sure.
One booster bundle should have 2 bags of medic + shields and one set of specialists - should add up to 2 medics, 1 captain, 1 missile guy, 1 sniper, 1 engineer w/ 2 sentry guns and 4 shields. Plus two sprues of the hard plastic enforcers still to come.
If you mean you got two booster bundles, then double it, which sounds like what you ordered and received?
Really wasn't expecting the Captain but he came anyway, so that's a bonus in my mind!
This has been probably covered but with nearly 300 pages to sift, appreciate your patience.
Do the zombies have a value on the cards?
My buddy got some zombies and the cards but his had no points values listed (where you normally find them listed on other cards for all the other minis).
Is this intentional such as one of the expansion books (he's still waiting on his books) explains how to field them or a misprint? Thanks.
Zombies aren't a part of any force, you either use them in the solo campaign or as an additional hazard for both players to handle as they play a normal head-to-head.
They are spawned at the beginning of a scenario and during it depending on the set-up or if it's the campaign, so they have no points cost.
@Madwolf resin-plastic! Or restic, or premium plastic, whatever they're call it these days. Not hard plastic. Or well, everything but the forge guard is in the premium/restic mix and the forge guard are hard plastic but delayed to get them tooled just right.
Quick question--is there anywhere where I can see all the deadzone terrain sprues that have been released and what they are called? I want to get some sprues, but not necessarily full sets. Thanks.
I'm really torn on Deadzone. I bought it for a skirmish game with a campaign system, and while I like the rules okay, the campaign system is woefully underdeveloped. The sculpts are okay (I really like the rebs and the others are passable), but the restic "material" is utter garbage and I have little desire to use miniatures cast in it. I was about to offload all of my stuff and now I see Mantic might be releasing a good deal of each faction in hard plastic and making a compiled rulebook (which I'm hoping would address the problems with the campaign system). I guess maybe I should wait and see what they have in the store in the next KS before I sell off everything.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: I found the restic this time around was pretty easy to work with. Assembling the Forge Father sets was pretty fun, actually.
That's good to hear. Honestly I just shelved everything after assembling my Plague stuff, the mold lines were terrible and hard to take off without damaging the models. If the newer models are getting better then I think I'll be more inclined to back the new Kickstarter.
madwolf wrote: I so Wanted to just open the box and start assembling with plastic glue.
Oh well. Since I hate spuer-glue, going to have to use some Green stuff.
Ty for the info !!!
P.S.: Heres a pic of my 1ºgen plague from the 1º wave:
Very nice! Interesting take on the idea f bones and flesh merged.
Here is mine, where metaalics were fused to the bones. He just wants folks to be part of his family!
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: Quick question--is there anywhere where I can see all the deadzone terrain sprues that have been released and what they are called? I want to get some sprues, but not necessarily full sets. Thanks.
Named pictures of every sprue but two are in the Mantic store, they are alternate photos on all the battlezone pages. The full list is
I believe that unless your order was US$600+ in the initial pledge (not surveys) you don't get it. (I think it was US$600). You get the three other rulebooks in the slip case if your order is over US$300 (including pledge managers).
In that case, it's probably sitting with my slipcover and three rulebooks books in their Warehouse. Was it on your invoice and checked off? My books weren't even on the invoice...
Azazelx wrote: I believe that unless your order was US$600+ in the initial pledge (not surveys) you don't get it. (I think it was US$600). You get the three other rulebooks in the slip case if your order is over US$300 (including pledge managers).
What freebies does one get for an order of 'tree fiddy'?
Azazelx wrote: I believe that unless your order was US$600+ in the initial pledge (not surveys) you don't get it. (I think it was US$600). You get the three other rulebooks in the slip case if your order is over US$300 (including pledge managers).
What freebies does one get for an order of 'tree fiddy'?
I think my invoice was on the outside of the box, in the clear plastic envelope taped/stuck to the side which had shipping documents in it. If you haven't looked there and are missing your invoice, you may want to check.
CptJake wrote: I think my invoice was on the outside of the box, in the clear plastic envelope taped/stuck to the side which had shipping documents in it. If you haven't looked there and are missing your invoice, you may want to check.
Mine was there, ecept it wasn't an invoice, it was a list of contents. It was also underneath a note explaining to customs that it wasn't an invoice, and that the contents of the box were a kickstarter reward, not a purchased product. No receipt exists, no proof of purchase exists, the declared value of the game contents is $20, and the contents of the box constitute a gift as a thankyou for investing in manufacturing.
And because of that note, I didn't have to pay any import tax. If customs even inspected it anyway
CptJake wrote: I think my invoice was on the outside of the box, in the clear plastic envelope taped/stuck to the side which had shipping documents in it. If you haven't looked there and are missing your invoice, you may want to check.
Good suggestion, but no dice. However, thanks for prompting me, because in one corner on the side was written in ink "box" and then beneath the wrapping tape, "1 / 2".
So, there we go. Looks like I have to put that missing items form on hold. Thanks mate.
CptJake wrote: I think my invoice was on the outside of the box, in the clear plastic envelope taped/stuck to the side which had shipping documents in it. If you haven't looked there and are missing your invoice, you may want to check.
Mine was there, ecept it wasn't an invoice, it was a list of contents. It was also underneath a note explaining to customs that it wasn't an invoice, and that the contents of the box were a kickstarter reward, not a purchased product. No receipt exists, no proof of purchase exists, the declared value of the game contents is $20, and the contents of the box constitute a gift as a thankyou for investing in manufacturing.
And because of that note, I didn't have to pay any import tax. If customs even inspected it anyway
Mine was there, ecept it wasn't an invoice, it was a list of contents. It was also underneath a note explaining to customs that it wasn't an invoice, and that the contents of the box were a kickstarter reward, not a purchased product. No receipt exists, no proof of purchase exists, the declared value of the game contents is $20, and the contents of the box constitute a gift as a thankyou for investing in manufacturing.
And because of that note, I didn't have to pay any import tax. If customs even inspected it anyway
Really? Japanese customs made a stink, and I had to get an itemized invoice and pay ￥2000 to get my first box. They just let the second one through, though.
Mine was there, ecept it wasn't an invoice, it was a list of contents. It was also underneath a note explaining to customs that it wasn't an invoice, and that the contents of the box were a kickstarter reward, not a purchased product. No receipt exists, no proof of purchase exists, the declared value of the game contents is $20, and the contents of the box constitute a gift as a thankyou for investing in manufacturing.
And because of that note, I didn't have to pay any import tax. If customs even inspected it anyway
Really? Japanese customs made a stink, and I had to get an itemized invoice and pay ￥2000 to get my first box. They just let the second one through, though.
Google says it's 18 bucks. I tend to think of each yen as an American penny, and it comes out pretty close.
So how long do we have for survey 3 again? I think I'm gonna plan to bank whatever I'd spend on that and save it for entirely new DZ2.0 stuff, especially if it's gonna focus on hard plastic sprues of infantry. Still torn though, if I got 10-20 more enforcers I would have enough to cover most/all marine lists I'd wanna try (if ever) and could sell/wontonly covert my marines with even less regret. And I dunno if 10 peacekeepers is enough
Did I put this in the Mantic thread? It was supposed to be for Myth. Although I did have to pay about that much ($20 US, or thereabouts) for my first Kings of War shipment, but nothing else since then (at least from Mantic). Japanese customs seems just a little random to me.
GrimDork wrote: Google says it's 18 bucks. I tend to think of each yen as an American penny, and it comes out pretty close.
So how long do we have for survey 3 again? I think I'm gonna plan to bank whatever I'd spend on that and save it for entirely new DZ2.0 stuff, especially if it's gonna focus on hard plastic sprues of infantry. Still torn though, if I got 10-20 more enforcers I would have enough to cover most/all marine lists I'd wanna try (if ever) and could sell/wontonly covert my marines with even less regret. And I dunno if 10 peacekeepers is enough
October 5 to get the survey in, and financial within a few weeks after I'd imaghine
Was Radgrad supposed to be on a 30mm or something? Dude seems like he should be on a 40, since that's what the Ripper suits were on, and he's wearing a custom one, right?
So I thought I filled out my DBX survey before. Got a message from them today telling me I hadn't, and they sent me the survey to do. Super easy this time. Better than the previous surveys!
GrimDork wrote: Google says it's 18 bucks. I tend to think of each yen as an American penny, and it comes out pretty close.
So how long do we have for survey 3 again? I think I'm gonna plan to bank whatever I'd spend on that and save it for entirely new DZ2.0 stuff, especially if it's gonna focus on hard plastic sprues of infantry. Still torn though, if I got 10-20 more enforcers I would have enough to cover most/all marine lists I'd wanna try (if ever) and could sell/wontonly covert my marines with even less regret. And I dunno if 10 peacekeepers is enough
October 5 to get the survey in, and financial within a few weeks after I'd imaghine
Paypal invoice a few days after the survey and you then have until October 31st to pay for it.
Still waiting on my last shipment. I got that heads up e-mail about them needing backers to make sure we got any change of address into them before that waved shipped out. I did that then got a message a few days later saying it already went out to the old address. Why post a message asking us to update before they shipped them and not use the information!? No idea where it went I was hoping it would get forwarded to my new place but my real estate agent never saw a package at the old place and I still have yet to get Mantic to send a replacement. I am only my 3rd or 4th message to them and still no response. Getting a little heated about this now. Any one else having this sort of issue?
I've switched addresses on them 4-5 times, always emailed Stew Gibbs about the changes, and I've never had a package go to the wrong location. Trust me, I've been their address nightmare-I haven't made their work easy. But they've gotten it done. I think you just had a whoopsy moment from them.
Captain Vyper wrote: Still waiting on my last shipment. I got that heads up e-mail about them needing backers to make sure we got any change of address into them before that waved shipped out. I did that then got a message a few days later saying it already went out to the old address. Why post a message asking us to update before they shipped them and not use the information!? No idea where it went I was hoping it would get forwarded to my new place but my real estate agent never saw a package at the old place and I still have yet to get Mantic to send a replacement. I am only my 3rd or 4th message to them and still no response. Getting a little heated about this now. Any one else having this sort of issue?
I ended up just adding the peacekeepers. Assembled my asterians and forge fathers today and I think between those and the other factions, I have plenty enough of deadzone for the foreseeable future.
I added some Peacekeepers, Forge Guard, a stuntbot and iron ancestor, some more battlezone (1 core, 1 landing pad, 2 ruins), and buckled down and got three more deluxe mats. So much for willpower...
GrimDork wrote: Trying to decide what to get (if anything) on the third survey...
Probably need another connector bundle...
Seriously considering peacekeepers, not sure if anything else. 90 zombies is probably enough..
What are you guys figuring out? Lock down in a couple of days right?
I have gone:
Peacekeepers x3
Enforcer sprue x2
Striders x3 (with the poor dollar strength against the pound these are even better than discounted retail price)
Incursion book
AI deck
Shame the 3rd survey doesn't offer the metal characters and upgrades. I avoided most of them originally because of the material, but I just cleaned up Boomer and I think it was the best metal mini I've ever had the pleasure of handling.
x2 Striders (one for Plague one for Enforcers)
DZ scenery expansion set (all those lovely servo claw things and angular bits)
Errr I think plastic enforcers as well?
Ahtman wrote: Anyone that already have the Hardback rule book have an opinion on it? Thought about adding it on this survey but would appreciate some insight on it.
It is okay, probably worth the money I spent. I'm a bit annoyed the spine of the book has no print on it at all. On the book shelf it is unidentifiable, looks like one of those bound journals you can get. The inside is nicely done, BUT:
It really is the smaller books just assembled under one cover. The pages do not go from 1- the end, they start over for each of the included books. I get the fact this allows commonality of page numbers for rules, but it looks silly and makes finding page 30 a pain, since there are several page 30s. A combined/inclusive index should have been included but was not.
So, the physical book is nice with the exception of no spine printing to indicate what the darned thing is when on the shelf. Paper used for the pages is nice. I was hoping for more on the inside though... Another Almost when you consider what they could have done with it.
But again, I do think it is worth what I paid for it.
The slipcase for the soft covers is about useless on the other hand. It DOES have printing on the spine, but having the spine forward takes away the ability to pull out a book while it is on the shelf. And the folds of the cardboard seem to always catch the cover of the book you are trying to put back into it. Had it been a harder nice slip case it would have been fantastic, as it was delivered it was destined for the recycle bin.
Re: the hardback book. Seeing pictures of it on the KS page (obviously a render from ages ago) makes me think there were plans to include a dustjacket.
And yeah, the sequential-individual-book thing is annoying, but I doubt the time necessary to go back and reformat all the books and lay out a totally new book would ever make it a viable proposition, given how important Mantic treats its deadlines.
I'd have been happy for a few extra months of work going into it for a much better product... but I guess that would eat into another KS project!
I really want to try to clean up one of my striders before I try to order more. I like the way they look and everything, and the price is rather good, but one can only clean up so much restic at a time before it gets obnoxious.
I did clip out a couple of sprues of zombies, like butter. After the first sprue I just started twisting them off since the contact points were all really small and thin and connected to fairly robust parts of the pieces. The plastic is softer than the last hard plastic, battlezones, feels more like the renedra stuff or a GW kit. Very much looking forward to assembling some, but I still think 90 has to be enough right?
--edit-- Quick observations of the Strider kit: -I might have a really sharp blade or something, but the restic *seems* quite a bit softer this time, scraping lines isn't as good as plastic but better than last attempt, and cutting off nubs seems easier.
-They're huge! Head and shoulders over a dreadnought, taller than a 1st gen.
-Modeling the shoulders in the right position for the BFG forearms puts them in a solid/reasonable position for the CC arms as well, so if you're into magnets you should be able to do both configurations without worrying about the shoulders (which are balljoints and would be a pain for magnets anyway).
Dunno if this helps me though, so now I know it won't be brutal to clean them up, and they can do both configurations with ease. So I'm willing to do more, but they're more versatile than I counted on and do I really need them
Ahtman wrote: Anyone that already have the Hardback rule book have an opinion on it? Thought about adding it on this survey but would appreciate some insight on it.
Now I've had a chance to look through mine, I'm really glad I got it. As has been said, it's really just the four rulebooks and the short story anthology collected in a nice cover (although there are some notes on designing the rules by Jake at the end I haven'thad a chance to look at yet), but just having the rules in a single volume is worth the cost for me. I'm more than happy with it.
I plan on having 6 corp striders, and they included those bitz as they plan to have corp striders in a similar setup. So my Warpath Corp army is done except vehicles, and my Enforcer army is more like 4 Enforcer armies. Anyone up for an 8000pt game of Warpath?
So far I've only gone in for a Helfather and an extra Survivor on the third survey. (I overdid clean up on the latter and lost too much detail, so I want a second crack at it.) Mostly I'd like to save my money for Deadzone 2.0: The Veer-myning. Waste your valuable time reading my other pointless rationalizations below, if you dare.
Having assembled the starter and the extra restic ones we got for free, I'll have enough enforcers with the plastic ones I'll be getting for the starter and boosters. Much as I like the Forge Guard, I'll probably never use more than 6 at a time. And while it would be nice to have one Strider per faction, I want my Plague mustering giant mutant beasties, not giant robots. I'll be buying some monster from another line and subbing it in for the junkyard Strider.
The only thing I might add are 5 more Peacekeepers, because it would be cool to swap them in for Terminators on a Space Hulk board. (Or, what I'd really like to do for kicks, have them face off against Terminators on a Space Hulk board. "Captain, we've come up against soldiers wearing power armor as sophisticated as ours, but without the superfluous skulls and parchment tacked on!" "No superfluous skulls or parchment? Heretics!") Otherwise, with the three I've already got (two PVC, one metal), I'll have enough with the 5 polystyrene ones I'm getting. 8 should cover any Deadzone scenarios I'll want to play.
The Space Hulk Peacekeeper / Terminator slapdown is more of a lark than a necessity, though.* So I probably won't add any more.
*Yes, all of my other miniature purchases have been absolute necessities, not frivolous in the least. Really.
Riquende wrote: And yeah, the sequential-individual-book thing is annoying, but I doubt the time necessary to go back and reformat all the books and lay out a totally new book would ever make it a viable proposition, given how important Mantic treats its deadlines
This is the biggest complaint. Other than that it is great.
Riquende wrote: And yeah, the sequential-individual-book thing is annoying, but I doubt the time necessary to go back and reformat all the books and lay out a totally new book would ever make it a viable proposition, given how important Mantic treats its deadlines
This is the biggest complaint. Other than that it is great.
Indeed. It's a really nice looking and feeling product.
Oh... just seen today's update. Apparently more battlezones coming in the 2nd KS. Well, that's my plan to stay away averted then.
Update with just the news parts visible (rest in spoliers). Off to a good start with the industrial terrain, they are adding more accessories this time to hide/dress up the plugs.
Update #162
TL;DR – Forge Guard and Enforcers tooling done, Missing Bits shipping, Third Survey deadline is this Sunday, New Battlezones tiles leaked!
Spoiler:
Good news!
Tooling on the Forge Guard has finished and the sprues are being produced.
Tooling on the Enforcer Troopers is also finished and production is due to start next week.
We’ve also seen the first test shot of the Peacekeepers – a few changes are needed, but the components are looking sharp and awesome. We can’t wait to get the frames here and show them off.
Once we get all of this produced and sent over to us, we can begin shipping out the third shipment. Hopefully you’ve all got plenty to play with from those second shipment packages in the mean time
Missing Bits
With such large packages being sent out, sometimes mistakes do happen. For the most part we’ve heard that the accuracy has been spot on, but a few packages have had missing bits, or damaged components.
If you’ve submitted a form for missing or damaged items, we’ve got a team working on these this week and next week to get them to you as soon as we can.
This is a complicated process as each form needs individually vetting – some people are genuinely missing components. Other have listed components they were not due to get, or have submitted forms that are a touch vague (“I’m missing a model” will go down as my all-time favourite missing bits form!) – these forms often require a return email to find out more. We thank you for your patience whilst we work through these.
Third Survey
You have got until midnight this Sunday 5th October to submit your third survey if you want any additional extras.
Whether that’s more Peacekeepers or Zombies, more scenery for your games (you can never have enough accessory sprues!) or maybe you want more mats so that you can try out Incursion’s multi-mat/multi-player rules!
The Third Survey deadline is this Sunday – get it submitted now if you want any additional items.
Deadzone Second Kickstarter
We’re reviewing everyone’s feedback on the second Deadzone Kickstarter towards the end of this year. There’s a lot of speculation which is great to see, and some great ideas coming out as well.
Today we’ve got the first new renders of some industrial Battlezones scenery to show-off – let us know what you think in the comments.
It this sparks any ideas of you own off – whether it’s scenery, rules or new miniatures or vehicles for Deadzone - let us know that too!
And finally...
Spoiler:
We will be attending the games show Spiel in Essen, Germany later this month where we have a whole host of new goodies to show and some great show deals. Not only will we have some amazing show deals on our Battlezones terrain but it will also be one of the first chances to play and get hold of Mars Attacks the miniatures game in German.
Finally we will be joined by our Mantic Digital team with some new digital add-ons to show off for both Kings of War and Dreadball.
If you're in the area, swing by the Mantic Stand and say hi!
DaveC wrote: Update with just the news parts visible (rest in spoliers). Off to a good start with the industrial terrain, they are adding more accessories this time to hide/dress up the plugs.
I think that's what's needed to make the battlezones really come alive. I like them a lot, but without adornments, they do end up being more 'obvious wargaming terrain' than 'actual building in use for some purpose'.
Had planned on picking up a few battlezone bundles, but seeing the new renders I think I'll wait and just get some of the new ones.
I do have enough scenery as it currently stands, having ordered around 7 or 8 battlezones worth between the first two surveys, which makes for a pretty dense single mat (as I don't have plans on playing larger games).
Dem pipes though. Oh how I want dem pipes.
Someone suggested Mantic offer a Frenzy type pledge for Deadzone. What do you guys think? I wouldn't mind an all in pledge- dependent upon what's being offered.
I don't know if that's an avenue that Mantic wants to travel down again though. Dreadball had some hurdles there towards the end, speculators and early bird frenzies being a serious source of those hurdles.
I think there could be some sort of middle ground somehow. Maybe keep the basic pledge level like in Dungeon Saga, but put on '1 of everything' add-on bundles?
It was confusing as heck trying to figure out if I've missed a random metal mini or not. - It turns out for Dreadball Extreme, I had.
I don't think the Frenzy pledge worked very well - to much speculating on the unknown - just keep it simple Dungoen Saga worked well with just one level there will probably be a sweet spot pledge of $100 that gets a bit of everything, it depends on what the core product is, there's a lot of variety already in DZ and I'm sure there's 1 or 2 factions that people would skip if they could (looking at you Marauders) they tried to tailor MA to prevent that with the credit system and that didn't really work as intended either.
I'm not a fan of the Veer-Myn I'd like to be able to skip them but it's not the end of the world if have to get them (they can keep my Marauders company in the bottom of the box)
I'm pretty burned on the whole 'gotta catch em all' thing. DIdn't buy anything second or third survey, and I won't in another Kickstarter, either. Good for Mantic and the people that liked it, but after being a previous pretty heavy backer, I'm out.
DBX was on the My Pledgemanager by Kicktraq system, if you added any extras and locked them in you should have paid for them already automatically by the CC it asked for in the process. Deadline to lock it all in came and went September 30
New Deadzone terrain looks cool. I like that they're incorporating more detail pieces as connectors, like those monitors. Now, if that next Deadzone KS has full plastic Corporate Marines, I think I may have to go all in on it.
Did you not get your add ons locked in? Or did you just forget you'd already done it? They gave warning updates about it on the 30th, 20th and 13th of September
I'm looking forward to more DZ stuff and I'll be in for anything plastic for sure and probably everything in premium resin or metal, too. I hope they keep restic to a minimum.
I haven't filled out my third survey yet, but honestly I wish they would space their kickstarters out a little further. DKQ just wrapped up last month...
It would be nice if they did space out their kickstarters more, but I think kickstarters are now integral to Mantics business model. (At least their product growth)
I think we need to remember that at least 35% of the funds Mantic get from their kickstarters is gone before they even get it.
I'd guess that there's not that much left after the production and fixing their mistakes for future development.
JoeRugby wrote: It would be nice if they did space out their kickstarters more, but I think kickstarters are now integral to Mantics business model. (At least their product growth)
I think we need to remember that at least 35% of the funds Mantic get from their kickstarters is gone before they even get it.
I'd guess that there's not that much left after the production and fixing their mistakes for future development.
How do you figure 35%?
KS and Amazon payments grab about 5% each, right? Where does the other 25% go?
JoeRugby wrote: It would be nice if they did space out their kickstarters more, but I think kickstarters are now integral to Mantics business model. (At least their product growth)
I think we need to remember that at least 35% of the funds Mantic get from their kickstarters is gone before they even get it.
I'd guess that there's not that much left after the production and fixing their mistakes for future development.
How do you figure 35%?
KS and Amazon payments grab about 5% each, right? Where does the other 25% go?
The main thing keeping me from getting the HC rule book at this point is that there will most likely be an update to the rules in the new KS later this year, which will make it all but useless.
JoeRugby wrote: It would be nice if they did space out their kickstarters more, but I think kickstarters are now integral to Mantics business model. (At least their product growth)
I think we need to remember that at least 35% of the funds Mantic get from their kickstarters is gone before they even get it.
I'd guess that there's not that much left after the production and fixing their mistakes for future development.
How do you figure 35%?
KS and Amazon payments grab about 5% each, right? Where does the other 25% go?
Tax well VAT makes up 20% (in UK at least )
I thought KS fees were 10% (checked and their 5% my bad doh ) and Amazon payments were 3-5% + nominal transaction fee per backer.
Templarscrusade01 has a vid with Prodos where they talk about it, check it out I didn't think about tax until after I watched it.
I didn't even think about the hit a company would have to take on free shipping.
Nerdiness follows
If we worked out shipping for 1 wave of deadzone at just the parcelforce price (cheaper than Royal Mail for large items) for the sweetspot and no more you'd be looking at £10 per package.
That's £43,060.00 ($68764.00 with current exchange rates)just on shipping just to UK overseas shipping would be much higher.
I guess taxes and shipping, in my opinion, are like material and productions costs, part of the total product cost. You (as a business) charge a price that allows you to deliver the product and make the profit you feel makes it worth your while.
If a company like Mantic can't ensure taxes and shipping are covered within their price points I would be surprised.
CptJake wrote: I guess taxes and shipping, in my opinion, are like material and productions costs, part of the total product cost. You (as a business) charge a price that allows you to deliver the product and make the profit you feel makes it worth your while.
If a company like Mantic can't ensure taxes and shipping are covered within their price points I would be surprised.
I'd imagine they do (though if I recall from that interview it sounds like other kickstarters have been caught short by taxes). I was just using it to show that Mantic probably aren't making enough net profit from their kickstarter products to break free from having to use a kickstarter as part of their ongoing business model.
My assumption has always been that a vast majority of the kickstarter monies go into making the tools and producing everything, getting the rules writing paid for, maybe the marketing and packaging etc, such that they don't really make money from backers, they're basically treading water and getting the tools made. Then when they make retail sales they (potentially) rake in the monies there hand over fist as the tools have been paid for and the rules are written, theu just have to keep ahead of orders.
Peacekeepers, Enforcers Booster, Zombies, probably the terrain bundles and the Asterian and Forge Father faction Starters, I think.
It's quite difficult to tell, I imagine, but those are either massively cheaper, or they contain significantly more models than their retail equivalents.
Forge Guard are also $10 in the survey and $19.99/£9.99/€12.99 for preorder on the Mantic site, don't think discounters (in the US at least) will beat that
So they are $20? That's cool, seems like a pretty solid retail price when you compare them with terminators and the like. If peacekeepers come out the same way they'll probably do really well. Bit more worried about enforcers though. If they want $20 for 5 they'll be the same price for 10 as a tactical squad and even though they have options to make 2 (3 after a couple of boxes) different squad types included, things costing the same as GW is generally a bad trend. Hard to say though, they may have larger squad size discounted costs (and may not cost that much at retail either), and Mantic usually has fairly strongly discounted army sets too...
Need to go fill my own survey out before I forget =/
The restic regular enforcers are currently $19.99/£9.99/€12.99 and have been the whole time, but there's no pricing or preorder for the new hard plastic ones - I think it's possible there will be a price drop when switching to the new material, I know I've seen a bunch of old metal KoW stuff in the discount bin that is identical to something now made in restic or hard plastic but with double the original RRP.
Did you not get your add ons locked in? Or did you just forget you'd already done it? They gave warning updates about it on the 30th, 20th and 13th of September
It doesn't really matter. I told Stewart in an email that I wouldn't be adding anything unless the Mars Attacks rewards were out, giving me a chance to experience the new plastic. He assured me that I would have a chance to find out if I liked the new material before filling out the pledge manager for DBX. Obviously, that did not come to pass.
I feel like Mantic is in too much of a rush. Why did they need to close the pledge manager so soon after another campaign and before their customers received anything from the previous campaign? Beyond wallet fatigue, their fast pace is costing them money due to creating a sense of shadiness or incompetence. Slowwwww Dowwwwwwwwn, Mantic.
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NTRabbit wrote: Forge Guard are also $10 in the survey and $19.99/£9.99/€12.99 for preorder on the Mantic site, don't think discounters (in the US at least) will beat that
$19.99 for 6 or for 12? For 6 HIPS figures--one sprue--that seems a bit ridiculous. For 2 sprues, the eventual discount will be far better than buying in bulk from the pledge manager.
Maybe it's a good thing I only ordered one or two sprues of all the new plastics to test them out. Except for the Men at Arms. I got a gakload of those.
NTRabbit wrote: Forge Guard are also $10 in the survey and $19.99/£9.99/€12.99 for preorder on the Mantic site, don't think discounters (in the US at least) will beat that
Miniature Market is selling Forge Guard for $16 so they beat the pre-order but not the KS survey price.
It doesn't really matter. I told Stewart in an email that I wouldn't be adding anything unless the Mars Attacks rewards were out, giving me a chance to experience the new plastic. He assured me that I would have a chance to find out if I liked the new material before filling out the pledge manager for DBX. Obviously, that did not come to pass.
I feel like Mantic is in too much of a rush. Why did they need to close the pledge manager so soon after another campaign and before their customers received anything from the previous campaign? Beyond wallet fatigue, their fast pace is costing them money due to creating a sense of shadiness or incompetence. Slowwwww Dowwwwwwwwn, Mantic.
I didn't have an email back and forth with Stewart, but I was also interested in seeing the MA plastic before putting a cent into the DBX PM. With the result that I didn't. They got my $1 "donation" in the KS, I guess.
Miniature Market is selling Forge Guard for $16 so they beat the pre-order but not the KS survey price.
Yeah that's what I meant, they'd beat the Mantic store but not the KS price, for a sprue of 6 anyway. Mantic are always cheapest in bulk, so if you're after 30+ Forge Guard the smart money is always going to be in the post-KS army deal.
Their web page is messed up with the prices it shows. When I view that your 19.99 price is what shows up, but when I scroll to the bottom I see the FORGE FATHER BROKKR BOOSTER for 9.99. Yet when I click on it I see them at 19.99 (and see the forge guard listed at the bottom for 9.99).
I guess it is a $$ to Pound error (shows as pounds at the bottom, but the item page shows dollars).
For $19.99, they're as expensive per model as metals. While I like working with plastic more than metal, I fully expect the economy of scale involved to yield an attractive savings for me, the consumer.
Twenty bucks for 6 dwarfs is a GW-level pricing disincentive. It's not like Mantic's new plastics have tons of extra bits, either. What in the hell were they thinking?
No joke. For a couple of bucks more I can get really nice Wargames Factory zombie survivors, with 30 figures and a TON of extra weapons and accessories. Or 18 sci fi shock troopers.
Twenty bucks for 6 dwarfs is a GW-level pricing disincentive. It's not like Mantic's new plastics have tons of extra bits, either. What in the hell were they thinking?
"These are the Forge Father equivalent of Space Marine Terminators, so 40% of the price, plus an extra model compared to them seems reasonable."
Would be my guess. In saying that, considering their price in £, around $18 for the 6 would seem a bit fairer. - And would still include an 'exchange rate' buffer of a couple of dollars.
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