What should happen in in 6 week league with entry fee/prizes? Out of the league or just auto loss on that game? The TO said auto loss on that game. Should cheating have a harsher penalty? I really dislike cheating.
I guess that is fine for a 1st offense but what if I hadn't caught him. I thought something was fishy when he pulled a 6pt victory card so I watched him. He walk over to deck casually look at the top card and either put it on bottom or left it on top. So I asked the store own to watch him and he got busted.
I was winning anyway so is a auto loss even a penalty? But I guess it is a 1st strike.
I guess he is problem in other aspects tho. Like refusing to charge thru terrain to get all his terminators in base to base w/ my dreadknight. Had to call the TO over. Rolling dice behind buildings and picking them up before I see them. ECT . Win at any cost people really bother me. I am a competitive player but will not cheat for any reason. If your not playing by the rules of the game why are you even playing?
Cheating is one of those things that now that there are cards involved in the game people are now going to be able to find new ways to cheat. I was wondering if this was ever actually going to come up. Sad story.
I despise cheating. I think a single game loss is a little light. I would suspend him for one week and then see if he learns. Next offense is kicked out of the league with now refund on the entry.
I would throw him out of the league. Something like that is not one time. Give him a real lesson and he loses his entry fee. I can guarantee this is not the first he cheated. You do not suddenly do things like this. This player now needs to be watched over and will take the fun out of the league. Swift action and maybe he will change in the next league
If it's a league I think a slightly harder punishment is in order, like resetting all his currently earned points (victories, whatever) to zero and counting them as losses.
That way he can redeem himself by stopping to cheat. If he gets caught again, kick him out of the league.
Personally, I would be fine with having him forfeit that week's game(s), and basically being told that another offense will get him disqualified from the league entirely. If you're in a bad mood, name+shame to the other league players as well, basically stating that so-and-so was caught cheating and therefore forfeits his game(s) for that week, and reiterate the fact that cheating is not acceptable. The shame of that alone should fix the problem.
You don't want to be too harsh but want to make it clear that cheating is not tolerated.
If its a first offense, This is an appropriate punishment.
But ultimately its the TO that needs to make the call as to whats an appropriate punishment. If he's a problem player, and you have additional concerns, bring them up to the TO quietly.
You can also choose not to play him, and when asked explain these are the reasons you'd rather not play him. Either he'll get it, or not.
To those who say it is his first offense. After 35 years of gaming i can state that there is a 99% chance he has cheated before and it is only the first time you caught him. Someone does not suddenly start this. Since the cards are new he has not perfected his method but he has been doing other things. I would kick him out and let him prove himself in non league games where prizes are not involved. Someone like this will ruin the gaming atmosphere in your group.
Any cheating attempt of any sort is an immediate Red Card offense which means the match ending with a loss and the offender being excluded from the tournament right on the spot. For the next tournament, he immediately starts with a Yellow Card, meaning every Yellow Card offense will result in a Red Card right on the spot.
I think the punishment needs to depend on the degree of certainty.
In this case? Caught red handed? Immediate ejection from the league, forfeiture of any entry fees. Second offense? A suspension from all store competitions for a set period of time. Third offense? Permanent ban from competitive play.
What exactly was he doing? Dealing from the bottom? Preshuffled them so good cards on top? Whatever he didn't didn't get him an edge since he was losing. I would ban him using cards in the games.
I dunno about a ban, but I get sick of the people who try to squeeze little things out of the game thinking no one will call them on it.
I'm talking about the guy who says: "oh that guy has a 4+ invuln psychic power.."
"oh, does he come with it?"
"no I rolled before the game."
"oh.... Uh....... Well you really should do that in front of... Oh never mind whatever..."
I have had the same guy do that to me twice. First time was actually in the tournament and second was for just a pickup game. A pickup saturday afternoon game.. he makes it seem like he doesn't want to waste your time with his rolling, but its like dude, it takes like .5% of the entire time playing.
And when he tells you what he got, he just says non-chalant (or whatever) "oh yeah, I got the thing that grants d3 toughness or something..."
It's like: um, I think you would know when you rolled what you got. Don't act like you didn't want iron arm on your tyranid monstrous creature hq thing. That's exactly what you wanted. I think he doesn't want people to hear him get the same power over and over so he switches up how he says it.
tiger g wrote: I would throw him out of the league. Something like that is not one time. Give him a real lesson and he loses his entry fee. I can guarantee this is not the first he cheated. You do not suddenly do things like this. This player now needs to be watched over and will take the fun out of the league. Swift action and maybe he will change in the next league
I agree with this, a harsh punishment is also more effective in deterring other cheaters from doing the same.
Definitely remove him from the league after the first warning. Anyone wanting to win that badly is someone you really shouldn't play with in general really.
Kilkrazy wrote: Do you want this guy to stop cheating or be damned to Hell for eternity?
If you want him to stop cheating the way to do it is give a lighter punishment like lose the current game and see if he learns a lesson from that.
You can repeat or increase the punishment if he continues in the bad behaviour.
I disagree with a harsher punishment being "damned to hell for eternity". Getting kicked out of the league but not banned from the store makes the point but still leaves an opportunity for them to stop cheating and get a chance to play in the future. Only giving a light punishment like a single game loss just encourages that kind of behavior.
I am not sure what I would recommend for the first offense but a second offense I would likely kick him out or bar him from prizes. If he were to get kicked out (even though I don't believe he should) I would refund his prizes. The hardest things about giving out punishments is to try and not create resentment or the appearance of favoritism. I've TO'd many events of different types if games from a store employee standpoint and as a unpaid volunteer. Every community has factions and if any of them fall out of line their opposition wants them to hang. Being impartial is difficult and you should support your TO.
They are lax at my store I doubt there would ever be a harsh punishment.
I was really made at an Eldar player. In a tournament I asked before the game if he had any reserves b/c he rolled the warlord trait that the WL gets outflank. He said I don't like reserves.
I was cleaning up I thought so I moved my army up. Next thing I know Eldrad and a group of fire dragons out flank next to my Fortress of redemption. Well I turned around but fire dragons don't take long to eat buildings. On top of that I immobilized my landraider turning around and a rhino. Wasn't pretty. Coteaz and monkeys were in that fortress. I lost a game I had in the bag. Had I not moved up I could have easily stopped Eldrad.
You must state clearly what you have in reserve and I asked a question and even got mislead. I really thought he should not have been given that win.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: Where i come from, we have good solution. We call it shotgun-to-the-face. Simply throw a shotgun at his or her face and they will get the idea.
Sounds like Kentucky. Back in the deep back woods of the mountains near TN.... You gotta purity mouth.
To answer the OP, I think it depends if you believe in second chances. I believe I may make silly mistakes at times and I would appreciate a second chance. And so I do the same for others.
So for this dude, perhaps he was tempted for that one time to cheat to win. Perhaps he is a chronic cheater. It's hard to tell. Rather than "kill an innocent"(who fell that one time), I'd recommend a second chance by some punishment which does no public shaming (ejection etc). If it happens again, I guess there won't be a third chance.
Mythra wrote: What should happen in in 6 week league with entry fee/prizes?
The above bolding is mine, but it's the relevant part of the question for me. If it was a casual, free tournament where everyone is there for a good time I'd be on the side of clemency. However, when money and prizes that people may care about are involved are at stake I'm less inclined to care about the individual in question. If you were a non-cheating player, how would you feel if the known-cheater won a prize that would have otherwise gone to you? As a previous poster said, he likely has been cheating in other games without being reported or caught. It's with that in mind that I thus:
I would rule that if he wins a prize it is given to the next highest ranked player. I'd allow him to continue competing in the tournament and even have that game count towards a win or a loss - whatever actually happened in the game. And any further breaches would result in an immediate removal from the tournament.
I think the age of the cheater is relevant. A child or a teenager is probably not beyond saving. A little punishment and a little humiliation through being caught and they might change their ways.
I'd be less inclined to give an adult a second chance.
cfoley wrote: I think the age of the cheater is relevant. A child or a teenager is probably not beyond saving. A little punishment and a little humiliation through being caught and they might change their ways.
I'd be less inclined to give an adult a second chance.
True too. Maturity is a factor. But sometimes it is hard to judge. Legal age for adult usually does not equal maturity. Myself, I'll freely admit I was still fairly immature in my early twenties.
As for your cheater, it is a delicate situation for the rest of the league. Every win and loss involving him might be second-guessed by everyone involved.
The well is poisoned, in other words.
My whole point is that it doesn't matter if he is truly rehabilitated.
He might never force another card or steal an extra inch of movement, but only one person will ever be 100% certain that's the case.
Only he can say for sure that he's being honest, and, as a known cheater, he's a little harder to believe than someone that isn't.
Everyone else will forever look dubiously upon every lucky dice roll, outcome and victory he claims.
Imagine if he wins the tournament.
Whether he cheats or not to accomplish it, how will the rest of the league perceive it?
The league shows great compassion for giving him a second chance, but it may also be doing a disservice to every other player whose confidence in enjoying an honest competition is undermined.
Jidmah wrote: If it's a league I think a slightly harder punishment is in order, like resetting all his currently earned points (victories, whatever) to zero and counting them as losses.
That way he can redeem himself by stopping to cheat. If he gets caught again, kick him out of the league.
Something like this. In the event that he makes it to the end in high standing, people will all be wondering if it's because he cheated.
The best way to handle it is to quietly excuse him from earning points this round in the league. Let him play games with others, let him rack up the points, but make it pretty clear that he isn't eligible for prizes. The appropriate way to handle it is to remove his ability to win, while not socially ostracizing him. If he does it again, then it's time for something more overt.
If he was losing anyway, he's probably not in any danger of doing well in the league. I've seen people cheat at various things (exams, homework, etc) and they often do it because they're deeply insecure people terrified of losing face. Punish them the first time and make them understand the consequences will be much more dire for a second offense and most of the time they see the error of their ways.
If you want to get creative, come up with an appropriately ironic punishment. Caught cheating at drawing objective cards? No tactical objectives for the rest of the tournament. He can try and win on linebreaker, slay the warlord, and first blood. Cheating at rolling armour saves? Auto fail all armour saves for his next game.
regardless of what my fellow players or the tournament rules say about situations like this, I would refuse to play him ever again, and rather forfeit and lose my game then have no fun being paranoid about getting screwed over. I despise people like that
*A Dredd Sock is a sock which is filled with old 3ed metal Deffdreads and then use to hit the person over the head with.
In all seriousness though people are paying to play and there is money/prizes at stake. Cheating is completely unacceptable and therefore I feel he should be booted from the league (I would refund his entry fee as well)
Office Waaagh he is now 2-1 and I am 3-0 we were tho only undefeated players in the league and he only played me b/c everyone else had a game. He definitely didn't want to.
I very rarely lose so people don't want to play me. I am competitive and really good at making lists.
Mythra wrote: Office Waaagh he is now 2-1 and I am 3-0 we were tho only undefeated players in the league and he only played me b/c everyone else had a game. He definitely didn't want to.
I very rarely lose so people don't want to play me. I am competitive and really good at making lists.
Perhaps he was cheating because he knew he couldn't beat you? Not defending the guy, just curious.
I like what was said earlier. Cheating just means you're not good enough. You might win a game or two you shouldn't have and you might even pull the wool over someones eyes. But over time, no one will ever hold you in elite esteem. For me, that matters. So I'm not about to sully my rep. I think we've all made mistakes or forgotten things since it's a complicated bunch of mechanics and wishful thinking creeps in. But man... Stand your GROUND.
On a similar vein, I was playing a game last Saturday against someone who I'm ninety percent sure was cheating his rolls. He took saves one at a time when it was unnescessary (All against a single vehicle that had 1HP left and couldn't explode with the weapon I was shooting at it, for example,) and later on took Leadership tests by practically just setting down the dice. (He passed them, and I made him reroll them.)
I still won, but it got old and frustratimg fast.
HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
Mythra wrote: HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
THE END.
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You did this wrong. You are supposed to leave him crying on the ground, and walk out triumphantly with your new hot girlfriend.
Where do you guys play that you have an endless supply of 40k players? Kicking out a player is a terrible idea, they may never come back. Social pressure solves most problems, especially with younger people. Yes 22 is still young these days unfortunately. I probably wouldnt have even bothered to tell on the kid. You should have just called him on it as soon as it happened. Let him know where you stand on said behavior and him. If he's smart he will change and appreciate that you kept it informal. If not, then you call him a cheater, then you let everyone know he's a cheater. Eventually he will stop or the group will relentless badger him out the door I would imagine. Truth is, we all just want to be accepted, I'm sure he's no different. Maybe I'm just getting old...
His age has nothing to do with it. 14 or 22, either way, you damn well know by that age that it's wrong to cheat at a game. If you don't? Then I would like to have a word with the parents that failed you in your upbringing. I can use them as an object lesson on how things are done down South.
Psienesis wrote: His age has nothing to do with it. 14 or 22, either way, you damn well know by that age that it's wrong to cheat at a game. If you don't? Then I would like to have a word with the parents that failed you in your upbringing. I can use them as an object lesson on how things are done down South.
How are things done down south? Since you asked, my parents taught me well. I am a Father, Husband, and Supervisor. I'm well respected and liked in the many circles that I run in. Your right, age doesn't matter. To my point, maturity is learned, teach him.
Cheating with cards? Sounds like Tzeentch nonsense to me. HERESY. Only one solution, and it needs to be taken quick, before the entire Regiment is corrupted by his blasphemic trickery.
Commissar, execute him. With the Demolisher Cannon if you please.
Note: Execution of fellow gamers by method of low velocity HE round not officially condoned due to concerns over collateral damage and illegal nature of murdering someone over cheating at cards.
Mythra wrote: HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
THE END.
Hmm... I dont know how i feel about this. I think having a judgmnetal audience around, asking them to interfere in what is essentially an opportunity for sportsmanship... I dunno.
Also: Void shields are dumb. Stronghold and Escalation are just... I dunno. I don't know how I feel about that.
If I have rules that can potentially win me the game like shooting at reserves I make damn sure to remind my opponent so something like that doesn't happen. I don't think that beating him by not telling him about your rules was particularly called for.
Not defending the guy cheating, that's not on, but you can deal with a cheater by social pressure rather than what you did.
If someone gets caught cheating in a league, they should be kicked out of the league. There's absolutely no reason to keep them in it. The whole point of a league of any game is sportsmanship. If you have none, I don't want you in my league.
If you warned everyone about Coteaz every time they deep strike something no one would ever get caught and it isn't like it was his 1st time playing vs Coteaz. I would warn new players every time but someone who has played vs him before and has a year or more under his belt of 40k then that is not going to happen. Also it matters whether it is a friendly game, tournament, or league game. I will be a lot more lenient in a friendly game. If your playing for prizes at the end don't try and cheat me. I will use everything at my disposal to wreck you.
Also in a competitive environment w/ prizes and entry fees if stronghold and escalation are allowed I will use them. I wouldn't use Voids or a Warhound in a friendly game.
If I can't ask those around for an opinion on things then who can I ask. I think it is more than fair to ask people around you rather than to have the 2 biased players make the decision. Plenty of times of I have changed my mind b/c the people around said it was reasonable to allow something.
EmilCrane wrote: I don't think that beating him by not telling him about your rules was particularly called for.
He already knew about Coteaz because he'd played against Coteaz before. I see no obligation to help an opponent avoid making a stupid mistake, especially someone who just got caught cheating. TBH they should just be thankful that they were allowed to play a game at all.
If someone is caught cheating, then they should be kicked out of the whole shabang. They are going to plan to cheat from game 1 to the final game. All of this in order to steal the prize that other people would had obtained honorably.
So you ended up bullying him out of the store basically. Couldn't just let him go, if I was the store owner you would now be on my short list of people to watch like a hawk. Regardless of the cheating episode of the player creating a gang up group to do that is horrible. Worse then frikkin card floppers.
DaKrumpa wrote: So you ended up bullying him out of the store basically. Couldn't just let him go, if I was the store owner you would now be on my short list of people to watch like a hawk. Regardless of the cheating episode of the player creating a gang up group to do that is horrible. Worse then frikkin card floppers.
Did you act all smug while you did it?
My thoughts exactly DaKrumpa, Cheating is definitely wrong and deserves to e punished. But that was uncalled for essentially singling him out and making him an outsider, lets hope he doesn't do something in response.
Mythra wrote: HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
THE END.
I feel like this game was prob skewed towards trying to embarrass this chap esp with the "tension and whispers". Like the 6 people watching and you could rules lawyer him into oblivion. There is more to what happened here than this coteaz incident I'm sure... I can't see him packing his gak up because of this.
This game should have never been played esp at the expense of another person. Sure he may have cheated, but YOU should not have played him AGAIN esp In This setting. Your in the wrong now, and your in the wrong also for bringing this second game here and laughing at the incident.
I am a new player, and I would have absolutely ZERO problems with getting hosed by Corteaz. It is my responsibility as a player to ask the opponent what certain units of his are and what they do. If I don't, tough, maybe I will remember to ask next time, or better yet LEARN what his army can do. And the cheater's bad decision would not have exactly garunteed a win. Dice can do strange things. I've seen someone have a good round then fail every single roll after that.
Mythra wrote: HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
THE END.
I feel like this game was prob skewed towards trying to embarrass this chap esp with the "tension and whispers". Like the 6 people watching and you could rules lawyer him into oblivion. There is more to what happened here than this coteaz incident I'm sure... I can't see him packing his gak up because of this.
This game should have never been played esp at the expense of another person. Sure he may have cheated, but YOU should not have played him AGAIN esp In This setting. Your in the wrong now, and your in the wrong also for bringing this second game here and laughing at the incident.
This is borderline cyber bullying or ostracizing.
I can see this happening. Heck, before my local gamestore closed down one person got banned for life. For pulling a knife on someone over a game of 40k he was losing. Only time in the store's history someone was banned and the cops called.
Cheaters NEED to be berated and watched until they can prove they can be trusted. Not saying they should be berated all the time, constantly, or for a long period of time, but for a short period the ydeserve to be embarrassed. And should be watched especially if money was paid for said tournament.
NorseSig wrote: I am a new player, and I would have absolutely ZERO problems with getting hosed by Corteaz. It is my responsibility as a player to ask the opponent what certain units of his are and what they do. If I don't, tough, maybe I will remember to ask next time, or better yet LEARN what his army can do. And the cheater's bad decision would not have exactly garunteed a win. Dice can do strange things. I've seen someone have a good round then fail every single roll after that.
Mythra wrote: HAHA ... was so much fun he challenged me to a totally fair game w/ no funny stuff of Emperors Will to prove he could hang and he didn't need to cheat. 6 people were watching b/c of all the drama of the previous game. Everyone was gathered around all tense and whispering.
We both roll the same Warlord trait +1 to seize and re roll reserves. So he rolls and gets 1st turn. Sets up his 2 Land Raiders(Thunder Hammer SS Terms Inside), Dev Squads ect....... Has a Storm Raven and a drop pod w/ Stern Guard in resv.
I do seize move up 5 Rhinos(Dozer Blades w/ 2 Warr Acos and a psyker in each) 18 inches and most of them are behind cover ---- 2 didn't get immobilized b/c of the blades I might add . Only 1 group of 7 Monkeys gets prescience(at least it is the Coteaz group that I have 3 PC Servitors in) I failed on the other 2 groups of 7 Jokaeros w/ 5 dice each thrown at them. I also fail Prescience on my 2 Tech Marines w/ Conv Beamers w/ another 5 dice. 1 Conv beamer Immobilizes a LR. Another 7 monkeys Strip a hull point. The other 7 Monkeys all hit but 1 of them even tho I failed prescience but I roll all 1 and 2s to do nothing to the LR.
His turn he DS the Stern Guard in a pod next to Coteaz. (Tho I can't imagine why I have 6 voids shields that the Stern won't get thru even w/ a couple of meltas) After he finishes setting up the pod and DS unit I say," Let me roll I've been expecting you with the 7 Monkeys, Coteaz, 3 PC serv, and 1 Psker w/ Las Pistol and they all have prescience."
His response, "What type of BS rule is this?."
I say, " You have played against Coteaz before you don't remember?"
Him, "Oh yeah." and proceeds to start moving the drop pod and marines 12 inches away out of Coteaz range.
Me, "I don't think so man."
Him, "But they'll just die."
Me, "Everyone vote should I let him move them?"
Vote results 4 No 2 Yes.
Him. "What cheese man I can't believe you won't let me move them. What a cheese list." He hadn't even got hit with all those Shriek Rhinos yet. Very Cheap 18pts for 2 Acos and a psyker 45pts for a Rhino w/ Dozer." 63pts for 2 WCs is good in my book.
Me,"You made me mad last week I brought a no holds barred list."
Him, "You win I am out of here." as his eyes tear up and go really red. He concedes packs up and leaves w/o another word. I will give him this he did bring in his really hot GF to watch the grudge rechallenge match. I hear her say on the way out. "How did you lose?" He is prob better off spending time w/ her she is really hot so I still count him as getting a win in the end.........
THE END.
I feel like this game was prob skewed towards trying to embarrass this chap esp with the "tension and whispers". Like the 6 people watching and you could rules lawyer him into oblivion. There is more to what happened here than this coteaz incident I'm sure... I can't see him packing his gak up because of this.
This game should have never been played esp at the expense of another person. Sure he may have cheated, but YOU should not have played him AGAIN esp In This setting. Your in the wrong now, and your in the wrong also for bringing this second game here and laughing at the incident.
This is borderline cyber bullying or ostracizing.
I can see this happening. Heck, before my local gamestore closed down one person got banned for life. For pulling a knife on someone over a game of 40k he was losing. Only time in the store's history someone was banned and the cops called.
Cheaters NEED to be berated and watched until they can prove they can be trusted. Not saying they should be berated all the time, constantly, or for a long period of time, but for a short period the ydeserve to be embarrassed. And should be watched especially if money was paid for said tournament.
There is a line between punishment and bullying, consequences are punishment. Embarrassment is bullying.
We already have a hobby/pastime that is not always socially acceptable we don't need to bully within our own community. I believe the OP should sit down with the cheater and try to hash this out over a beer.
Kick him out. How many games had already been played?
He should auto lose all those as well.
This was the first time he had been caught.
A friendly random game, might just be giving a harsh warning and talking it out. An event I PAID to enter?
Kick him out.
Next time, have the TO stipulate what will happen to cheaters.
Someone did this to me, I would pay them the entry fee, and a bus ticket to mexico - get out of my store and my face.
Anyone can cheat at anything - it takes no skill - its only a sign of being a coward.
I agree that if he is caught cheating he should be out of the tournament, but I would also say give him another chance next tournament. Keep him under close observation. He may be a cheater now but maybe that can be corrected. I wish my league had the option to boot the cheaters, but sadly; that is not an option. One is the TO and we are too small to be able to lose a person. The sad thing about the TO is he doesn't need to cheat. He is a VERY good player and most of the time he doesn't cheat, but he HATES losing even friendly matches. However he is the best person to play when learning like me. He knows pretty much all the rules armies and units and after he mops the floor with you he will go over the game and tell you what you did wrong and what you did right. He doesn't cheat outright just fudges things now and then so you got to watch him. The other player is just a cheater. Cheats at MTG cheats at 40k. The second player I go for blood when I play him.
How can it be cyber bulling? That is so silly. To Cyber bully someone he has to be affected. It would have to be aimed at him and him named.Can one of you tell me his name? None of friends, him, or anyone in the store have even mentioned going on dakka dakka and with all the drama over this I think they would have had said something had anyone read this b/c everyone was talking about it. I think this is really far off. Now I think your looking for a Darth Vader. Hmmm maybe your right Darth woulda crushed him too. As far as running him out of the store if he doesn't show next week I will feel bad. I will apologize to him see if I can mend the bridge and just not play him again. I think it would be a bad idea unless I let him win.
Was I smug? No I was angry and I let it get the better of me. Esp when I showed up and everyone was there and the board was already set up. I somehow I knew it was coming b/c I had 2 lists made and 1 was a very nasty tournament list the other a fun Pally list.
The people were already gathered around whispering. There was tension in the air that you could feel. I think he had told them he could beat me. Should I have played that game angry? No probably not now that I look back on it. I was very very angry. I am just now calming down and not angry when i look back at event. I think you have helped me to move on and venting here helped. I have to learn to let things go. I know why he thought he could beat me b/c my prev. games had been close b/c I had been bringing fluff lists and playing loose letting things go. People were saying his list was the list to beat. Land Raiders, Terminators, Devastators and Storm Ravens are rough for people to deal with. He was 2-0 I think that is why he felt the need to cheat in the close game. I should have just been a better person and let him move out of the way of Coteaz it would have made almost no difference vs my list. Except that he lost the stern guard and the drop pod instantly to Coteaz it just meant no recovery at all possible. He had already lost the Land Raider and a squad on turn 1. The only real threat was the other Storm Raven and other Land Raider w/ the termies inside. Really tho with 21 Jokaero w/ Prescience (7 of them have ignores cover from Coteaz), 6+ Psychic Scream Rhinos, 2 Conv Beam Tech Marines,+ some PC servitors, and 6 full untouched Void shields none of what was left was at all a threat.
As far as me not playing him that game he challenged me. Why would he do that? Why would anyone try and move your units back out of range of something after placing them? I have played war games a long time and I can't even imagine doing that. Would any of you even ask to do that or start doing that w/o even asking? Had he asked I might have said yes. Again just assuming he could just move the units like nothing happened made me mad. I think he honestly thought he could beat me. When that unit of Stern was dead and with it their meltas and combi meltas. I think he knew it was over and just quit. He was counting on his stern guard to at least drop half the Voids and the Devs the rest. SO I think he packed up b/c there was no point in just getting tabled. It wasn't the indecent that caused it it was just clearly over at that point.
"That was not a good way to handle the situation. Pretty disgraceful, in fact. Especially when you come back here to thump your chest about it. "
You may be right and I was angry and needed a release.You have no idea how mad the cheating made me. I am not sure why he challenged me to another game. I don't lose. I won the last 3 of 4 Tournament I was in and the one I lost was a silly mistake on my part.
I will tell you what someone told me. They heard his Girlfriend ask on the way out. "How did you lose that?", but he didn't hear the response.
I think he is unphased, I will apologize and I think everything will blow over. I would bet he challenges me again. I don't think he'll change but I have learned a lesson - "Don't drive angry." Bill Murray Ground Hog Day.
EmilCrane wrote: I don't think that beating him by not telling him about your rules was particularly called for.
He already knew about Coteaz because he'd played against Coteaz before. I see no obligation to help an opponent avoid making a stupid mistake, especially someone who just got caught cheating. TBH they should just be thankful that they were allowed to play a game at all.
People forget or make mistakes, and when it comes to something as game changing as that I think its better to make sure my opponent knows that otherwise it changes the whole game. I don't think its called for to deliberately trick someone like that.
Oh I forgot they guy was CHEATING at a TOY SOLDIERS GAME, so we better shoot him and humiliate his family, just to make sure he never does it again.
I disagree. If they have played vs Coteaz before they really should be careful or why do I even have the ability so I can warn people every game? I will will warn them in 1st game or in a friendly game after that your on your own.
The now famous 1st game vs him I charged my Dread Knight into his Stern Guard b/c I had never had a problem with them before but he had some AP 2 Relic blade. That is my problem not his to warn me not to charge b/c he has a relic blade. Shouldn I be responsible to know what the squad has that I charge or him? I know at my store it is a requirement to hand a list to someone before you play.
It may be toy soldiers but how much time and money do people have invested in this hobby? I think it fair to ask for enough respect of my time and money not to try and cheat?
Mythra wrote: I disagree. If they have played vs Coteaz before they really should be careful or why do I even have the ability so I can warn people every game? I will will warn them in 1st game or in a friendly game after that your on your own.
The now famous 1st game vs him I charged my Dread Knight into his Stern Guard b/c I had never had a problem with them before but he had some AP 2 Relic blade. That is my problem not his to warn me not to charge b/c he has a relic blade. Shouldn I be responsible to know what the squad has that I charge or him? I know at my store it is a requirement to hand a list to someone before you play.
It may be toy soldiers but how much time and money do people have invested in this hobby? I think it fair to ask for enough respect of my time and money not to try and cheat?
I don't think its OK to cheat, but I don't think that people should get so worked up about it, certainly not over a one time thing, if its chronic then that's another matter, but in one moment of weakness, as long as the guy understands that it won't be tolerated I don't think the guy should be bullied out of the store like that.
I don't understand why people say "bullying" like it's a dirty word. If it's for no reason, or because someone's newer or smaller than you, I got it. On your side 110%.
That's not the case here. This guy screwed the pooch, and he deserves to have his nose rubbed in it thoroughly. Bullying to correct antisocial behavior (cheating) is absolutely justified.
Pyeatt wrote: I don't understand why people say "bullying" like it's a dirty word. If it's for no reason, or because someone's newer or smaller than you, I got it. On your side 110%.
That's not the case here. This guy screwed the pooch, and he deserves to have his nose rubbed in it thoroughly. Bullying to correct antisocial behavior (cheating) is absolutely justified.
Light him up.
I don't think its ever justified. There are better ways of dealing with something like that. Its just a toy soldiers game, yes its your money but the guy didn't break your models or throw things, I certainly don't think this is any worse than people who smash things when they lose.
Pyeatt wrote: If he was cheating on a friendly game, once again, 110% behind you.
He was cheating in a league with a prize that you had to pay to get into. That is not only cheating but theft.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Or attempted theft anyhow... OP said that the guy was still losing.
I agree, void any games he has played because they're under suspicion. But some people want to treat the guy like a child molester because he probably started losing in a game and panicked.
I agree, void any games he has played because they're under suspicion. But some people want to treat the guy like a child molester because he probably started losing in a game and panicked.
Did I or anyone here advocate the literal castration of this person? If so, I must have missed it.
You caught him cheating. He should be punished for the cheating absolutely. Now whether that is voiding games or expulsion from your league is really based on how your league thinks. Cheating is a very serious offense in a gaming group, and it should be treated that way.
However, it was abundantly clear that you are not treating it seriously, and you were far more interested in 'getting back' at him rather than simply fixing the issue in your group and moving on. Why else would you post this whole story about how you humiliated him and had him leaving the store about to cry? As soon as correcting him for cheating became a public "YEAH I MADE HIM CRY AND HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS THERE TOO!" display, you have become a problem player yourself. You have become some bitter and vindictive person who seeks to humiliate those who wrong them.
Being caught cheating is a pretty serious humiliation, because it hurts and undermines everyone's trust of him. And here's the crazy thing, I think that is part of the punishment and that's fine. But this whole story was you looking for gratification and nothing more. Dealing with a cheater should be a serious conversation, not some opportunity to run someone out of your group while thumping your chest like the badass you think you are. One problem has been replaced with another, imo.
He obviously wasn't humiliated enough to go out of his way to challenge that guy he previously cheated against ot a "rematch". That's his own damn fault. I'd have not taken up the game but there's nothing wrong with taking up the game.
That guy set himself up for failure again which is even more hilarious.
Also, is this at Little Wars? Cause I use to live in Baton Rouge and play there. How's the store doing?
Nope in New Orleans. I've only been to Little Wars once.
I am famous for being vindictive it is something I have worked on forever. I was a lot worse when I was younger -- 20 years ago. My mom always said get even. I got back at the teach who would smoke in class and not open a windows. We complained but no one cared back 20 years ago. She was really big so I glued a salad plate w/ salad, diet coke, diet book, and a knife and fork to her desk. My 1st first accident I didn't know not to move the cars so he lied to cop when he got there and said I hit him. I kept the accident report for 4 years and did the egg news paper to his whole car. In college the guy who beat my head against a cinder block wall got nair in his shampoo.
My friends always tell me let me know if your mad at me please I'll do anything to fix it. So honestly yeah we all have our flaws and I have gotten better. So you might be right to ride me over my vindictiveness. All I can say is I am working on it. The guy last year who painted out of a game store down here he one day took off with everyones stuff and their cash. He got me for a bio-titan, some nids, Death Kreig squads, and $500. I considered getting him back but let it go. So am I perfect no. Are you?
Mythra wrote: Nope in New Orleans. I've only been to Little Wars once.
I am famous for being vindictive it is something I have worked on forever. I was a lot worse when I was younger -- 20 years ago. My mom always said get even. I got back at the teach who would smoke in class and not open a windows. We complained but no one cared back 20 years ago. She was really big so I glued a salad plate w/ salad, diet coke, diet book, and a knife and fork to her desk. My 1st first accident I didn't know not to move the cars so he lied to cop when he got there and said I hit him. I kept the accident report for 4 years and did the egg news paper to his whole car. In college the guy who beat my head against a cinder block wall got nair in his shampoo.
My friends always tell me let me know if your mad at me please I'll do anything to fix it. So honestly yeah we all have our flaws and I have gotten better. So you might be right to ride me over my vindictiveness. All I can say is I am working on it. The guy last year who painted out of a game store down here he one day took off with everyones stuff and their cash. He got me for a bio-titan, some nids, Death Kreig squads, and $500. I considered getting him back but let it go. So am I perfect no. Are you?
You sound like you're some boxer or something post match!! I don't think I'd be able to play a whole game against you either.
It's good sportsmanship to run through your army before any game and tell the person you play against what your army can do and clarify any special rules.
Mythra wrote: Nope in New Orleans. I've only been to Little Wars once.
I am famous for being vindictive it is something I have worked on forever. I was a lot worse when I was younger -- 20 years ago. My mom always said get even. I got back at the teach who would smoke in class and not open a windows. We complained but no one cared back 20 years ago. She was really big so I glued a salad plate w/ salad, diet coke, diet book, and a knife and fork to her desk. My 1st first accident I didn't know not to move the cars so he lied to cop when he got there and said I hit him. I kept the accident report for 4 years and did the egg news paper to his whole car. In college the guy who beat my head against a cinder block wall got nair in his shampoo.
My friends always tell me let me know if your mad at me please I'll do anything to fix it. So honestly yeah we all have our flaws and I have gotten better. So you might be right to ride me over my vindictiveness. All I can say is I am working on it. The guy last year who painted out of a game store down here he one day took off with everyones stuff and their cash. He got me for a bio-titan, some nids, Death Kreig squads, and $500. I considered getting him back but let it go. So am I perfect no. Are you?
I like the cut of your jib.
The "alleged" cheater thought he would show you up by challenging you to a rematch. You ROFLMAO stomped him what (1st or 2nd turn?). He got flustered, mad, embarrassed, conceded the game, and left.
You told us about it and we all had a chuckle.
The mistake would be pursuing a vendetta after this. He has now been outed as cheater and his attempt at "showing you he can beat you without cheating" has failed. Now is the time to be a bigger person and make the appropriate noises at making amends.
Bullying is when you seek someone out to pick on them in some manner for no other reason than to make yourself feel better or bigger.
You did neither and you have nothing to be ashamed of.
Everyone's actions have consequences. Being humiliated as a consequence of your actions is NOT bullying. It is called karma.
Weird what store is in New Orleans, I was just living there a few years ago. Unless this was that +1 gaming or whatever out in Metaire?
Guy got what was coming honestly, to cheat then challenge the person you cheated against to a game in order to prove you can beat them without cheating is just dumb. Glad you straight up beat him.
I'd totally fething gaslight that dude. Just every time he's there just be like " Hey, Anyone want to play some pick up games? No cheating!".
No one can argue that cheating ISNT bad. I think my point on all this was that some people just dont KNOW yet how important it is to the big puicture that they play things as straight up as they can. MANY people have been called cheaters for interpreting a rule in their own favor when it could go either way and thats really just a difference of opinion. I think newer players get a little more rope with me because I want to develop them into better players. Now if someone is unrecalcitrant and shows a TREND of bad behavior over a few months time, and never feels a need to apologize when given thge chance, okay. You might just have to call it a loss. But its a small pool we swim in. I'd rather have a few come to Jesus meetings with a guy than to blow him out as if *I* had never made errors in judgement before. We all have. Play it out and just see whether the dude hangs himsefl again.
and don't line the table with an inquisition like you did in your second game. Yikes.
Mythra wrote: Nope in New Orleans. I've only been to Little Wars once.
I am famous for being vindictive it is something I have worked on forever. I was a lot worse when I was younger -- 20 years ago. My mom always said get even. I got back at the teach who would smoke in class and not open a windows. We complained but no one cared back 20 years ago. She was really big so I glued a salad plate w/ salad, diet coke, diet book, and a knife and fork to her desk. My 1st first accident I didn't know not to move the cars so he lied to cop when he got there and said I hit him. I kept the accident report for 4 years and did the egg news paper to his whole car. In college the guy who beat my head against a cinder block wall got nair in his shampoo.
My friends always tell me let me know if your mad at me please I'll do anything to fix it. So honestly yeah we all have our flaws and I have gotten better. So you might be right to ride me over my vindictiveness. All I can say is I am working on it. The guy last year who painted out of a game store down here he one day took off with everyones stuff and their cash. He got me for a bio-titan, some nids, Death Kreig squads, and $500. I considered getting him back but let it go. So am I perfect no. Are you?
You prob shouldn't leave your house. Your going to end up hurting someone over something silly based off of your past history and violence. This explains why your lashing out at him on the internet and humiliating him etc.
"Paradoxically, one of the most powerful motivations for cheating, according to scholars who study decision-making, is a desire for fairness.
...In a way, this is common sense: If an opponent is illegally gaining some advantage over me, I'll want to balance things out. But what's more surprising is the way the effect extends beyond situations in which cheating confers an advantage.
...Since coaches and players can't know what opponents are doing, they "tend to think that others are doing what they are doing and thinking what they are thinking," he says.
...In particular, people seem willing in some cases to simply ignore the cost of getting caught.
...When they asked subjects to write down as many of the Ten Commandments as they could remember before taking the test, it virtually eliminated cheating.
So, before the game get them to write down the 10 commandments.
I must admit, anyone I met that tended to cheat were actually surprised that I was not doing the same (when it was knowing the rules and employing some degree of strategy instead).
My leaning on this matter is I do not want to play these people. Their trust of others is so broken they question everything I do, expect no questioning them and claim every loss as unfair.
Sorry, no time to indulge, this IS my leisure time, please go see a therapist and learn to fall backwards into other people's arms...
You prob shouldn't leave your house. Your going to end up hurting someone over something silly based off of your past history and violence. This explains why your lashing out at him on the internet and humiliating him etc.
EmilCrane wrote: I don't think its called for to deliberately trick someone like that.
There is no trick, the opponent had played against Coteaz before, knew what he did, and just made a stupid mistake. There is absolutely no obligation to allow an opponent to take back a stupid mistake just because it might cost them the game. Accept that you lost the game with your bad decisions and move on.
EmilCrane wrote: Its just a toy soldiers game, yes its your money but the guy didn't break your models or throw things, I certainly don't think this is any worse than people who smash things when they lose.
Of course it's not as bad as smashing stuff, which is why it should end in the guy getting kicked out of the league, not a call to the police and a lawsuit over the damaged property.
or just not let him bring heavy support choices to the league. but banning works fine to 
