What have you bought, lovingly assembled, painted, used once or twice and has never left the shelf since?

I wonder if we will see the same units again and again?!

For my Marines -

Command Squad
Captain
Terminators
Scouts with Bolters
Scouts with blade and a powerfist.

None of them work for me but I had such big plans for them when I bought them!

Definitely my loan wolf and my wolf guard out of terminator armour. I used them once each and left it after, I just didn't like the way they played. Swapped my load wolf for long fangs and the wolf guard were better spent on grey hunter upgrades.

In my collection it's probably only my Jumppack Vanguard, their Chaplain and my Black Reach Cybot (the other two get used pretty regularly but MM and Fist just sucks without a droppod) for my Exorcists and the Thousand Sons and Berserkers for my Chaos.

My poor Colossus. Spent ages converting one from a Basilisk, as soon as he's finished the next IG codex comes out and he's not in it anymore...

WHY!?!?!?!

I don't use FW rules simply because it gives people grounds to complain/ refuse games. Soooo I'm stuck using him as counts-as.... atm he's my counts-as Deathstrike xD

 Otto Weston wrote:
My poor Colossus. Spent ages converting one from a Basilisk, as soon as he's finished the next IG codex comes out and he's not in it anymore...

WHY!?!?!?!

I don't use FW rules simply because it gives people grounds to complain/ refuse games. Soooo I'm stuck using him as counts-as.... atm he's my counts-as Deathstrike xD

How can it give people a cause to complain when the FW rules are identical in every way to the 5th Ed codex rules? If you're playing with people that are going to be that absolutely unreasonable then you have my pity.

Flayed Ones and Illuminator Szeras.

IMO awesome sculpts; under my command, next to useless on the board.

 Otto Weston wrote:
My poor Colossus. Spent ages converting one from a Basilisk, as soon as he's finished the next IG codex comes out and he's not in it anymore...

WHY!?!?!?!

I don't use FW rules simply because it gives people grounds to complain/ refuse games. Soooo I'm stuck using him as counts-as.... atm he's my counts-as Deathstrike xD

the same thing happened to me with my parasite of mortrex...
as some dakkanoughts already know.

Does the monolith count when I only use it as a bastion and not as itself?

Chaos Vindicator. I like its appearance and the powerful cannon, but back when I bought it I had little idea what's good and what works. It doesn't help that my regular opponent plays Tyranids, so the Demolisher either killed a bunch of Termagants or inflicted a wound on an MC. Such a waste of heavy firepower.

Also, Raptors. They've had several opportunities to blow up a high priority vehicle. They DS on the spot, hit with their Meltaguns, but what happens when I roll pens? Snake Eyes. That's happened a few times, so they are currently on holidays.

 SarisKhan wrote:
Chaos Vindicator. I like its appearance and the powerful cannon, but back when I bought it I had little idea what's good and what works. It doesn't help that my regular opponent plays Tyranids, so the Demolisher either killed a bunch of Termagants or inflicted a wound on an MC. Such a waste of heavy firepower.

Also, Raptors. They've had several opportunities to blow up a high priority vehicle. They DS on the spot, hit with their Meltaguns, but what happens when I roll pens? Snake Eyes. That's happened a few times, so they are currently on holidays.

I came here to say exactly this, the dinobots have replaced my vindicator (not that I used to use it that much anyway), and Bikers are just waaaaaaay better than raptors IMO

It’s rare that I need more then 4 tac squads (and even that’s pushing it) I have 7 now. The old 2nd ed pushfits are getting dusty.

I still field tactical terminators, even though they get a bad rap. But the HF and second AsC haven’t seen the table since 4th edition, and I can’t remember the last time I fielded more then 5 (I have 11)

The techmarine with just a signum and a stormbolter was a staple is my 3rd ed shoooty command squad. Useless now

My non-sniper scouts. This will change once I get my LSS painted up.

I don’t think I’ve ever paid the points for Sgt. Chronus, but he will sometimes ride to battle as decoration.

All my TDA characters don’t see a lot of time on the table. The one who did, the chaplain, no longer fits into my LR with a terminator assault squad, so he’s mostly going to be on the shelf now.

 Paradigm wrote:


How can it give people a cause to complain when the FW rules are identical in every way to the 5th Ed codex rules? If you're playing with people that are going to be that absolutely unreasonable then you have my pity.

I've tried using FW rules in my area before and if my opponents lose etc. they'll blame the FW rules and claim it's cheese. I've learnt to just use pure GW to give them less excuse for QQ'ing

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:
My poor Colossus. Spent ages converting one from a Basilisk, as soon as he's finished the next IG codex comes out and he's not in it anymore...

WHY!?!?!?!

I don't use FW rules simply because it gives people grounds to complain/ refuse games. Soooo I'm stuck using him as counts-as.... atm he's my counts-as Deathstrike xD

the same thing happened to me with my parasite of mortrex...
as some dakkanoughts already know.

Lol, I was planning on getting a Parasite of Mortrex and running a Ripper army, till it got taken out in 6th and then I was like...Damn :(

 elStrages wrote:
Definitely my loan wolf and my wolf guard out of terminator armour. I used them once each and left it after, I just didn't like the way they played. Swapped my load wolf for long fangs and the wolf guard were better spent on grey hunter upgrades.

The lone wolf is pretty awesome now, if he gets killed YOU get a point...if he survives, your opponent gets a point

Consider using him with the new missions

My third Serpent. Or even my second, lately.


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For Tau:
Vespid....forever.

Devilfish troop transport.

Piranha to an extent.

Both fliers.

Dark Eldar:
Mandrakes.

Witches if I'm being competitive.

Talos and the other build.

Medusae and the rest of the court.

My first Predator, converted from a Rhino with a Space Crusade Tarantula as Laserturret... no Sponsons attached, that's why i never use it...

- 9 converted Thousand Soms termie
- 2 Basilisks
- 10 Harlequins
- 10 Banshees
- 2 Ravenwing Land Speeder Typhoons
- 25 Necromunda models - Escher m Cawdor
- bunch of Russes, and IG infantry, ever since I lost time for Apoc games
- around 40+of my Guardians
- 10 Storm Guardians
- 3 IG missile launcher teams
- Inquisitor Cortez
- 1 Vyper, because I've been running only 3 for years
- Eldrad
- 1 Manticore
- 1 Devil Dog

Something like that ...

Мy whole Tyranid army is heading towards the shelf. It takes so much space that I am tempted to get rid of it in the most convenient way possible.

I have this daemon prince.
It's my first conversion, and the model I'm most proud of.
I REALLY want to use this thing, but I have no other daemons except for a unit of Bloodletters and Plaguebearers.

Genestealers are the first unit that comes to mind. I love the models; I look at them as one of the foundation Tyranid units, but they are just this side of useless. On the Chaos side, it would be Raptors; I love the models, but gaahh, too many points for not enough oomph. It should probably also be my 'Zerkers, but I am too stubborn to stop using them

- Lychguard
- C'tan Shard
- Scarabs
- Doomsday Ark
- Destroyers (still on the sprues)

-Death Company Dread
-Jump Pack Assault Marines
-My Vindicator
-Terminators
-Sanguinary Guard

My Thunder wolf cav have not played a single game since i bought them back in 5th. While the models and lore are very nice, their stats and killing potential is just right down horrible for their price.

Penitent Engines
Repentia
Space Marine command squad

 Sigvatr wrote:
Does the monolith count when I only use it as a bastion and not as itself?

That is......an incredible idea! I would have never thought to use it for that purpose but it really does fit, has a door, 4 sets of guns, and even a top mounted gun for the AA option.

Size is very comparable too

My IG heavy weapons loaders. Their lasguns killed more enemies than the heavy weapons ever did.

Is short answer- all mu units never leave he shelf since I'm just a collector

Aside from Apocalypse games, I rarely field my IG Basilisks or Hellhound variants, along with my Demolisher Russ tank with glued in sponson weapons. My Hydras and Chimeras will probably be there permanently with what the new Astra Militarum book did to them.

Most of my CSM's, Eldar, and Tau have been on the shelf for a while now. I haven't used my Sisters in...years. my GK's I've used randomly as allies.

At this point for the last...year, maybe more, I've almost exclusively played either an IA12 Death Korps Grenadier list or an IA1V2 Armoured Battlegroup list, barring a few random games with the CSM's, Eldar and Tau.

 jasper76 wrote:
Flayed Ones and Illuminator Szeras.

IMO awesome sculpts; under my command, next to useless on the board.

I'm still hurting for my Monolith to be good. And Flayed Ones are seriously just......so bad. But Illuminor Szeras is actually pretty good. A S8 AP2 long range weapon, and gives a unit a free upgrade? I've had T5 Immortals in several games from him. So he's far from useless.


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 Galorian wrote:
- Lychguard
- C'tan Shard
- Scarabs
- Doomsday Ark
- Destroyers (still on the sprues)

Yeah, waiting for C'Tan to be changed in the new codex, hopefully makin him good.

My entire Word Bearer army.

My Baneblade and most likely my Spartan Assault Tank. Damn those pricey FW books.

Imperial Guard:
Hellhounds X2
Medusa
Scions (Kaskrin, Storm Troopers...)
Wind Vane Psykers

Black Templar Space Marines:
Terminators
Vanguard veterans.
Melta/Flamer skimmers
StormRaven
Land Raider
Land Raider Redeemer
Centurions
Stalker
Ironclad
Venerable Dreadnaught

Chaos Space Marines:
All of them, my biggest army.

Daemons:
I have about a squad of at least one of each daemon type and greater daemon.
From about 4th edition.

Inquisition / Grey Knights:
Daemonhost
Callidus Assassin
Castellan Crowe

Looks like chaos space marines win for most stuff not used with space marines a close second.

Oddly though, the BT army gets the most use.

Sigvatr wrote:Does the monolith count when I only use it as a bastion and not as itself?

Heh, yes.

Bharring wrote:My third Serpent. Or even my second, lately.

Might add a 4th soon.

Ahh... 40k.

Anyways, I have few proper bench-riders. Whenever I haven't used something in awhile I'll eventually make an effort to try it out again.

Most of the stuff that's been out has been things that I can't use anymore, and I don't want to remodel, like my sergeant with a shotgun and my junior officer with a storm bolter. Things like that.

There's only one group of guard models I have that rode the pine the entirety of 6th ed, and that was my commissars. Now that they finally work with a regimental standard and priests (which I've always liked a lot better) offer fearless, it might be some time before the trenchcoats make an appearance in my army again. Well, except for my lord commissar, who's still pretty badass.

Otherwise, the only unit I've consistently struggled to bring back is my basilisk. The 5th ed changes to ruins and the 5th ed meta shift to multi-shot weapons, as well as 6th ed's worsening of the ruins problem and adding in hull points added to the general crapulance of large blast weapons has seen the basilisk spend a vast majority of its time on the shelf. Which is sad, because I actually liked it back in 4th ed. For awhile at least.

I suppose we're in a new world of barrage sniping, and 7th fixed the ruins problem, and the new guard codex single-handedly killed the competition, so the bassie might see some love in the future...

... maybe.

If only they would go back to the old way where you could save 25 points by not giving it the barrage special rule. 300 points for a squadron of three assault guns would be something I'd be interested in.

My KMB Mek.
Most of my Nobz (I use them as boyz Nobz sometimes)
My Tankbustas,
My Burnas
My Trukk

I've got two nearly finished Triarch Stalkers. I've tried them many times with different types of lists. Those are the games I lose the most, so they don't come out to play much anymore...
There's also a monolith that never pulls it's weight and over costed Triarch Praetotians that never see action.
I can't say my C 'tan shard never sees the table. He makes for a great objective in Emperor's Will.

xxvaderxx wrote:
My Thunder wolf cav have not played a single game since i bought them back in 5th. While the models and lore are very nice, their stats and killing potential is just right down horrible for their price.

May wanna dust them off i use them to great effect taking wounds, and god forbid they get into CC its on! (TH/SS).

I think bolter scouts are a fantastic unit (I haven't finished building them yet, so this is all theory ATM) in a Sentinels of Terra army. Full twin-linking at half range makes the bolter scouts more damaging than any other scout flavor.

I play IF tactics so already have a boost to bolters, I just can't justify them in my list, not survivable enough to use as a serious objective taker an the wrong load out for a suicide unit

I tend to use shotgun scouts (with a combi flamer) in a LS storm or Scout snipers although they are being used less frequently now as well.

For terminators:

15 shooting terminators - assault terminators get used some still!
20 assault marines with jump packs

Orks:

Stormboyz
Buggies
Looted wagons

My Stormblade ;-; I need the most awkward points to play it!

Any thing that is not an Annihilation Barge, Command Barge, Triarch Stalker, denomination of flying croissant, or a ghost ark.

Only models I dont like the look of. So none

Monolith and Doomsday Ark.

Several piles of Dark Angels tactical marines and Deathwing, although I try to get them into noncompetitive games whenever I can.

A. Single. Finecast. Grot-Orderly.

My GK magnetised LRC/R. Put it on the table twice, got toasted T1/T2 twice.....and now it sits forlornly looking at the stormraven on the table.

It has company, though, the GK terminators have a little bbq next to it.

Kroot shaper , who wants ot pay more points for each kroot , especially sine their function changed.

Also never fielded vespid , i blame the pathfinders

 urbanevil wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:
My Thunder wolf cav have not played a single game since i bought them back in 5th. While the models and lore are very nice, their stats and killing potential is just right down horrible for their price.

May wanna dust them off i use them to great effect taking wounds, and god forbid they get into CC its on! (TH/SS).

Just with the SS they are over 80 points, at which point they cost the same and are more fragile while packing a lesser punch than terminators.

Eldar: Howling Banshees
Space Marines: Terminators

Both suffer from costing more than they can kill and struggle to get into melee.

kambien wrote:
Kroot shaper , who wants ot pay more points for each kroot , especially sine their function changed.

Also never fielded vespid , I blame the pathfinders

Never fielded a shaper. Have fielded vespid once. It was glorious. They blew up a land speeder and killed quite a few space marines. Always want to put them on the table but I just can't ever seem to be able to fit them in.

My FW XV9s love the models but 300pts+ for a unit that does the same job as a unit of Crisis Suits that are 100pts less isn't really worth it.

Um... all my DA vets (nearly 30...), my command squad, my PA wolf guard, assault marines, any tac squad past the second (I have 8 ), my 'Nids (no offense - I'm just not a fan anymore) and my regular CSM (PMs ftw!). I'm sure there's more stuff I haven't though of though


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... Like my whirlwind

PastelAvenger wrote:
My FW XV9s love the models but 300pts+ for a unit that does the same job as a unit of Crisis Suits that are 100pts less isn't really worth it.

Put Shadowsun in squad, take her special shield drones, ???, enjoy your "mini deathstar".

On the topic at hand, I've had a horrible half finished conversion of a Void Dragon C`tan sitting on my desk shelf for at least 9 years, maybe more. I really don't know what grade school me was thinking when he thought that was a good idea. "oooh, GW has a bitz secion." is my best guess.

Mycetic spore
Doom of Malan'tai
Pyrovore
Tyrannofex - even with price reduction, just lacks the firepower for the points
2nd edition hive tyrants

Actually been messing around with army composed of just genestealers, lictors, mawlocs and trygon primes (6th ed rules). Hasn't won very much due to lack of shooting but its fun watching an opponent have to deploy almost everything before I do, and then having a large swarm of genestealers so close.

My biker captain (the only bike in my army), and the Master of the Forge. Neither get used in any way. Back in the end of 5th Ed, I used to play with BT, and found biker Marshal cool and awesome. Now the biker HQ's are meh to me.

 Tigramans wrote:
My biker captain (the only bike in my army), and the Master of the Forge. Neither get used in any way. Back in the end of 5th Ed, I used to play with BT, and found biker Marshal cool and awesome. Now the biker HQ's are meh to me.

Run him as a chapter master. Your "meh" biker hq just turned awesome. (Please tell me you gave him a shied?)

Currently my entire Tyranid army is shelved and if possible will be sold off once I find someone who wants them. My necrons are also shelved, but I plan on using them again soon.

Lictors. I have 9, the models are amazing. But the rules...

Illuminator Szeras and my monoliths.

I used Szeras in 4 games to try and get a 20 man warrior squad
to 5 toughness. 3 Times I got +1 STR and once +1 BS. Never got +1 Toughness. I was sad would have loved to see 20 Warriors w/ Toughness 5 and a lord leading w/ 3 Ghost Arcs following.

As for Monoliths - I'd rather a Doom Scythe every time and it isn't cheaper. Even 3 Anni Barges are cheaper and it is about equal to a Night Scythes w/ 5 Warriors and a cryptek w/ the 4 shot haywire staff. Making the main weapon ordinance on the Monolith was really a big nail in the coffin.

Sisters with Storm Bolters.

 dementedwombat wrote:

PastelAvenger wrote:
My FW XV9s love the models but 300pts+ for a unit that does the same job as a unit of Crisis Suits that are 100pts less isn't really worth it.

Put Shadowsun in squad, take her special shield drones, ???, enjoy your "mini deathstar".

I usually did run them with Shadowsun lol

 Brother Payne wrote:
Run him as a chapter master. Your "meh" biker hq just turned awesome. (Please tell me you gave him a shied?)

Still meh. The reason is, that I don't like bikes.

Update. I took my Penitent Engine and Repentia off the shelf.
Sold them.

My Valkyrie and all my Scions/Stormtroopers.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Update. I took my Penitent Engine and Repentia off the shelf.
Sold them.

And someone actually bought them??

My Warp Talons (bought a box because the models are awesome)
My Raptors
Basilisk
4-5 Mortar HWTs
Heavy bolter teams
Missile teams
Defiler
Terminators
Marbo (R.I.P :()
Two Decimator dreads

Unfortunately, when I got into 40k I lost track of my Dwarfs in fantasy. It kinda became the same when I began my Guard army.

It really sucks that I have the attention span of a dog.

This thread is a running monument to poor internal balance.

I rarely use my Predators anymore.

I havent used in a while

Shotgun Scouts
LRC
Termies
Land Speeder Storm
DW Knights

 Nashole211 wrote:
I havent used in a while

Shotgun Scouts
LRC
Termies
Land Speeder Storm
DW Knights

Really? Chuck the knights in the crusader and that's one helluva beat stick you've got there

 TychoTerziev wrote:
Мy whole Tyranid army is heading towards the shelf. It takes so much space that I am tempted to get rid of it in the most convenient way possible.

I would take them and play them. Been wanting nids for a long time.

For me its my terminators and legion of damned. just to costly for normaly games.

My 40 Genestealers, Broodlord, Red Terror, 20 Hormagaunts, Space Marine Land Speeder, Chaplain, Chaplain Cassius, Commander, 250pt Kill Team Space Marine models. Things from 3rd and 4th Edition that just aren't worth the points anymore...

 throwoff wrote:
What have you bought, lovingly assembled, painted, used once or twice and has never left the shelf since?

Under the two last codexes, I've never fielded Celestians even once, since a squad of ten has the same cost as the same squad of Marines, with -1 in T, S, I, Cd, no ATSKNF, no squad tactics, no chapter tactics, and reduced weaponry (no plasmas, no missiles...)
But since Sisters only have one kind of minis for the Celestians, Battle Sisters, Dominions and Retributors, I suppose Celestians don't really count.


Welcome Repentias and Penitent Engines.

Scary close combat units that are both slow and fragile. T3 footslogging infantry in bikini on one side, AV11 open topped walkers on the other.

You can make your repentias borrow the Rhino of another squad, but unfortunately, I tend to play against talented players who seem to have some kind of 6th sense: when they see crazy girls with giant two-handed chainswords steal a Rhino and rush toward their lines, they want to destroy that vehicle.

I have used my heldrake once, but only because of the stigma it came with. Plan on busting it out more often in the future!

 Galorian wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Update. I took my Penitent Engine and Repentia off the shelf.
Sold them.

And someone actually bought them??

Well, they look does it for some people


To dude above me-feel free. 7th actually made them far more fair. even harder to kill, but they don't just brutalize silly number of 3+ dudes without any need for strategy or tactics. (baleflamer neck fix and VS change combined had this effect)

 Brother Payne wrote:

 Nashole211 wrote:
I havent used in a while

Shotgun Scouts
LRC
Termies
Land Speeder Storm
DW Knights

Really? Chuck the knights in the crusader and that's one helluva beat stick you've got there

Thats one of the ways I used to run them, but havent played the DA codex in a long time...

Lsv, nephilim, and the deathwing terminators. I'd use shotgun scouts before I field deathwing.

Mine would be the Baneblade I bought, assembled, and painted over the course of a week. Got it all detailed and looking spiffy for the Apoc game taking place at the end of the week, I've used it maybe once since then (and this is after about 2 or so years now). After its performance was decidedly lackluster with shots going nowhere near where I placed them, having literally every shot scatter over the course of the game, and it managing to barely kill 200 points' worth of models, I shelved it. Though, in fairness, I also don't really play Apocalypse (or Escalation) so it's not like I have much cause to use it anyway.

In my defense, it was half-off.

The Sanguinor. :(

Howling Banshees.

The Avatar, Fuegan, Karandras, Jain Zar, Maugan Ra, Asurmen, and Yriel.

 Brother Payne wrote:

 Nashole211 wrote:
I havent used in a while

Shotgun Scouts
LRC
Termies
Land Speeder Storm
DW Knights

Really? Chuck the knights in the crusader and that's one helluva beat stick you've got there

Except that the Knights are still not as good as normal TH/SS terminators because their weapons are only AP4. What they gain doesn't make up for losing that S8 AP2 hammer.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:

 Nashole211 wrote:
I havent used in a while

Shotgun Scouts
LRC
Termies
Land Speeder Storm
DW Knights

Really? Chuck the knights in the crusader and that's one helluva beat stick you've got there

Except that the Knights are still not as good as normal TH/SS terminators because their weapons are only AP4. What they gain doesn't make up for losing that S8 AP2 hammer.

I'd say Knights are better than TH/SS. The ability to hit at initiative makes them better against anything not in PA/TDA (ie. most units in the game), the God-mode activation makes them better MC/Vehicle killers, and the Shieldwall makes them easier to get into combat

Everything, so far.

Howling banshees (shame..)
Deff dread
Couple of trukks

I don't have "units" that never leave the shelf, I have ARMIES!

As of now, everything. I have not played a game in way too long. Before now, back when I played, it was/is my IG. I have had IG pretty much since I started playing 40k, and I've played maybe once with my Cadains, and never played my Steel Legion.

Assault Marines, I have always liked them but have never had the points to take them out. Now I have a 10 man squad of regular assault marines and a 10 man squad of Vanguard that have never seen battle.

Never played my Necrons, then again, I've never had a big enough force to play with.

My Nids. Almost 3000 points and none of them have touched a board.

About 4 editions ago Fantasy was the last time my Skaven came out to play. The poor things don't even have a shelf to leave, just a box covered in dust.

About 2 to 3 editions ago Lizardmen that have not left their dark box somewhere in my basement.

Too much... Ruberu has a sad face now...

Kills Kans. The new rules for morale pretty much means they sit on the shelf.

My 1x10 man unit of Blood Claws. Grey Hunters are just too good!

I feel so sorry reading this for the 'nids players. Hell of alot of poor nids shelved... They just want to be loved!

*ahem*
Anyway for me I have perma-shelved:
2 Predators
10 Terminators
Chaplain
Standard Dreadnought

I do like my dread, but I rarely find a use for him. The rest are just rubbish imo.

Eldarain wrote:This thread is a running monument to poor internal balance.

It is just as much a testament to lack of player skill and the need to win as easily as one can.

 Ailaros wrote:

Eldarain wrote:This thread is a running monument to poor internal balance.

It is just as much a testament to lack of player skill and the need to win as easily as one can.

"Just play better!"
Everyone take a drink!

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

Eldarain wrote:This thread is a running monument to poor internal balance.

It is just as much a testament to lack of player skill and the need to win as easily as one can.

"Just play better!"
Everyone take a drink!

L2P everyone it not the unit that is bad, it you!

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

Eldarain wrote:This thread is a running monument to poor internal balance.

It is just as much a testament to lack of player skill and the need to win as easily as one can.

"Just play better!"
Everyone take a drink!

He does have a point, though. There have been dozens of units listed in this thread with perfectly viable tactical utility, to the point that I've created this thread to discuss just that. It does seem that if a unit is not the absolute best in its category, an unfortunate amount of people just don't want to know.

My poor Possessed. They just are not fun. Everything they do, my Kharn + Khorne Chosen squad can do too, and they are so much cooler.

Similar thread a while back and I still cant find a decent use for my SW landspeeders. Just cant seem to make them work!

Or Penitent Engines. Completely useless.

The thing with Possessed is not that they are overpriced. I can live with that. It's just that they have no clear thing they are supposed to do. Khorne Chosen are overpriced too, but that's okay, because when they do get a charge they can wipe out a full Slugga Boyz mob in a single-round orgy of violence, but the Possessed can't do that. They can't do anything except die as fast to CSM for double the price.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Or Penitent Engines. Completely useless.

I’ve seen them used to good effect. In the last double tournament I went to my parter was fielding a group of them. This is back in 6th. Both of our lists were full of stuff we liked, but didn’t field very often.

First game they were playing defense, and kept one of our objectives free. They tangled with some demons. Not sure of all the details, but at the end of the game at least one was still standing, and the objective was OK

Second game was vs. a DE/Necron pair. They were very aggressive and were in our deployment zone turn one. Those DE bikes things don’t deal well with HFs. I don’t think they lived to the end of that game, but did burn/blender quite the pile of stuff.

Third game they ate a drop pod worth of marines. We kinda steamrolled our opponents, so they spent most of the game trying to find something to kill IIRC.

I’ve been on the receiving end of PE charges in editions past. All it takes is them hitting your line one time to earn some respect. And the paired HFs can cause some pain. They no longer need to charge forward stupidly, so you can hold them back if needed. They make very nice defensive units vs. aggressive armies. When you don’t need to charge across the table, they can blender things right away.

Are they as good as other SoB HS picks? Probably not. Useless? Not in the least.

 Nevelon wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Or Penitent Engines. Completely useless.

I’ve seen them used to good effect. In the last double tournament I went to my parter was fielding a group of them. This is back in 6th. Both of our lists were full of stuff we liked, but didn’t field very often.

First game they were playing defense, and kept one of our objectives free. They tangled with some demons. Not sure of all the details, but at the end of the game at least one was still standing, and the objective was OK

Second game was vs. a DE/Necron pair. They were very aggressive and were in our deployment zone turn one. Those DE bikes things don’t deal well with HFs. I don’t think they lived to the end of that game, but did burn/blender quite the pile of stuff.

Third game they ate a drop pod worth of marines. We kinda steamrolled our opponents, so they spent most of the game trying to find something to kill IIRC.

I’ve been on the receiving end of PE charges in editions past. All it takes is them hitting your line one time to earn some respect. And the paired HFs can cause some pain. They no longer need to charge forward stupidly, so you can hold them back if needed. They make very nice defensive units vs. aggressive armies. When you don’t need to charge across the table, they can blender things right away.

Are they as good as other SoB HS picks? Probably not. Useless? Not in the least.

Was that before the new digital dex?

 MWHistorian wrote:


Was that before the new digital dex?

It was last april, so after.

Now my local meta is not the most competitive, so take my anecdotes with a grain of salt if yours is. I've also only glanced at the PE rules, there might have been mistakes made. PEs are eggshells armed with flameing blenders, and while they've got issues, when they do work, they can work well.

I'd prefer more rugged or reliable units, but sometimes you just need a little crazy in your list.

If the opponent let a PE get that close, they are doing something very wrong...or using warp talons and mutilators.

 Musashi363 wrote:
If the opponent let a PE get that close, they are doing something very wrong...or using warp talons and mutilators.

Sometimes you need to drop pod next to the exorcist to kill it. If there happens to be a murder machine standing next to it, what are you going to do? Not every choice on the battlefield is going to be optimal. In an ideal world, you pop the PEs before they get close to anything. But SoB can pull armor saturation in spades.

Even bad units can work. Would you be better off with good units? Almost all the time. But if you dismiss something as totaly useless, some day it's going to bite you. It may be a niche corner case where the crappy unit shines, but if you spend enough time pushing plastic across the table, it might come up. Particuarly if the owner of said crummy unit is trying to force the issue.

My warhound titan - I would love to play apocalypse but the chance just hasn't come up yet.

Although I feel the question is asking "Units that never leave the shelf *because they are terrible*" in which case (and it really makes me sad to say it);
Storm Squad Guardians.

One is my staple units in 3rd ed.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Musashi363 wrote:
If the opponent let a PE get that close, they are doing something very wrong...or using warp talons and mutilators.

Sometimes you need to drop pod next to the exorcist to kill it. If there happens to be a murder machine standing next to it, what are you going to do? Not every choice on the battlefield is going to be optimal. In an ideal world, you pop the PEs before they get close to anything. But SoB can pull armor saturation in spades.

Even bad units can work. Would you be better off with good units? Almost all the time. But if you dismiss something as totaly useless, some day it's going to bite you. It may be a niche corner case where the crappy unit shines, but if you spend enough time pushing plastic across the table, it might come up. Particuarly if the owner of said crummy unit is trying to force the issue.

My Penitent Engines spend most of their time on the board. Sometimes they blow up spectacularly (yeah, open topped and AV 11 is no fun) but sometimes the 6++ makes for really epic situations. Shrug off Starcannons and all to move in and smack the Wave Serpent.

Striking Scorpions, Phoenix Lords, Falcon, unitl 7th Fire Dragons but now they are back!

Rough Riders.

Same deal with berzerkers.

Necrons
Destroyer Lord (prob gonna catch flak for this, but he's still useless)
Ghost Arks (They're not bad, but just not my play style)

* While they aren't being shelved, the army is going on the back burner while I have fun with my Orks.

Chaos Marines
My entire Fabius Bile Army. I was excited to finally be able to put these back on the table, but nope some people would rather argue to the point that is illegal, even as unbound. I don't play this game to add stress to my life, so that sadly go back and wait patiently for the day.

Fantasy Dwarfs
All Slayers. Even got a legal, workable list. It would require me to play Fantasy.

Warmachine Dwarfs
The game just isn't fun, and horrible experiences with the community. Unsuccessful in selling them.

My entire tyranid army is on the shelf. Haven't decided whether to keep them and hope for better times or sell them.

My entire SM army is on the shelf, not that I couldn't make a decent army with them but in support of my tyranid army - no desire to play 7th.

Just a note on eldar howling banshees, due to new allies rules they can embark on a DE transport... You know the assault transport we wanted that one. I actually use four of the Phoenix lords; fuegan, asurmen, jain zar and my karandras. My falcons are what I take as Anti-tank serpents, while not as good I can't get rid of it, holo fields may come back!!!

Mycetic Spores and Doom for obvious reasons.

Everything else still gets a run fairly often!

 Paradigm wrote:

 Otto Weston wrote:
My poor Colossus. Spent ages converting one from a Basilisk, as soon as he's finished the next IG codex comes out and he's not in it anymore...

WHY!?!?!?!

I don't use FW rules simply because it gives people grounds to complain/ refuse games. Soooo I'm stuck using him as counts-as.... atm he's my counts-as Deathstrike xD

How can it give people a cause to complain when the FW rules are identical in every way to the 5th Ed codex rules? If you're playing with people that are going to be that absolutely unreasonable then you have my pity.

because forge world sometimes has undercosted and some times over powered units due to other independent dex release.

Blight drones were the heldrakes before heldrakes. I wanted to use forgeworld but could not because people would not play me.

I dont remember a whole lot starting out in 5th ed, but when my opponent said these units are forge world, it ment he spammed then n killed many of my units fast.

Back to the shelf:

Defilers x2
Possesed
Khorne berserkers
Thousand sons
Predator tanks
Land raider
Vindicator
Csm+havocs
Termi
Chosen
Abba freaking don
Anythink not heldrake.

My Sororitas Command Squad.. 2 of em.

Every time I look at their unit entry I think: points better spent on more Dominions/Exorcists

Storm Guardians.. last used in 3rd edition or so.

I've got about 50 fully painted and based genestealers sat in a box. Can't see them coming out again any time soon. The ymgarls I then made specially, hunted down all the feeder tentrils, so they look different to the base stealer are a real irritation.

I built some shrikes and a parasite of mortrex to lead them - and they are sat in tupperware as well ...

My beloved dark eldar wytches. God they are bad!




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 Musashi363 wrote:
If the opponent let a PE get that close, they are doing something very wrong...or using warp talons and mutilators.

Haha this made me laugh. Your totally right. Its not just how bad warp talons and mutilators are but its also how terrible their scuplts are.

 Ventus wrote:
My entire tyranid army is on the shelf. Haven't decided whether to keep them and hope for better times or sell them.

My entire SM army is on the shelf, not that I couldn't make a decent army with them but in support of my tyranid army - no desire to play 7th.

I've offered for Tyranid players to take 10% more points to balance the game. So far they've all declined and then done the tableflip on turn 3.

Death Company Dreadnought. Not sure if I've used it once.

I mean, nothing against it. It's a real machine and comes with a fair price and capacity to tear a new one to almost anything.
It just comes with a tax of five DC marines, which I sadly don't use anymore.

Wow, this made it to the front page

Proud!

The first thing that comes to mind is actually my Imperial Guard army but I've found a buyer for at least part of them so hopefully they'll be back to burning stuff and tank shocking in no time. There was nothing wrong with them, I just haven't been playing them since I got back into the hobby.

More immediately I'd say that my Assault Centurions don't get a ton of usage. I've ran them a few times and they've done really well but they're astonishingly expensive, even moreso when coupled with the nearly mandatory Land Raider Crusader I usually run them with. My LGS has been doing an escalation league and we're just now up to 1400pts. I haven't been able to justify a 500pt unit thus far.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Or Penitent Engines. Completely useless.

^ These are what sit on my shelf, collecting dust.

Warp Talons. Awesome models, never used them in a game, 'cause I hear they're awful.
Thoughts?

Space Wolves:

Cannis Wolfborn and Fenrisian Wolves - no matter what I do, who I play or where I hide them they rarely make into CC. I've had similar experiences with Thunderwolf Calvary so i guess you could include them as well



Tau:

Stealth Suits - Love the Models, like what they bring to the flight with infiltrate and the stealth/shrouded combo but the other 2 options in the Elite FOC just take precedence and are rather squishy with just a single wound. I wish that there were a character or upgrade that lets you take them as troops or Fast attack

Devil Fish - for less than the 80 points I pay to make FW "mobile" (which IMO is NOT what they are meant to be) I can get 12 Kroot with Sniper Rounds,13 W/O or 12 Kroot with a Hound. That can infiltrate or outflank arguably more mobile than a Fish.

Sniper Drones - I Just don't see a use for them and I only have 3 and single marksmen

Drones in general - just not my playing style

 YFNPsycho wrote:
Warp Talons. Awesome models, never used them in a game, 'cause I hear they're awful.
Thoughts?

Just too many points for a 3+ T4 model. Nice offense, at least against MEQ, but die far too fast to be worth their price.

A problem that plagues many MEQ units, ironically, especially ones that prefer melee.

Space Marines:

Jump-pack Vanguard Vets. It's a jack-of-all-trades unit, TH, power weapons, SS, all that jazz. They're just too expensive

Honour Guard squad. Honestly, I love these guys to bits. I might have to start running them again, even if they don't perform optimally. Maybe with a Chapter Master and a biomancy Libby?

Land Speeders. When you're sitting on two Storm Talons, Land Speeders start to look a little redundant. Yea, 60pts for a rapid Multi-melta or twin heavy flamers is pretty good, and I may revisit them in a more mobile army

Bike Command Squad. Little expensive, and I've always focused on mechanised infantry, especially with the 7th changes to vehicles. That said, biker Chapter Master with shield eternal, with bike command squad. T5 2+/3++ with FNP is pretty sweet, so again, may revisit them in the same army I do the Speeders

I've probably got more, will post when I get back home (on holiday atm)

My two Valkyries, if they count as a unit. They've mostly fallen to bits. One of them is missing a wing or two and the other is sat in a box partially deconstructed after being mashed around in a carrying case for too long.

My poor, poor Pyrovore *Sob*

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