Nonsense! Everyone knows Tyranids discriminate against Necrons! Those racist, bigoted Tyranids! It is not the average Necron's fault they aren't made of edible materials anymore! Stop being such a necronophobe, stop racism now!
Its mostly around forced sterilization of subjugated populaces, concentration camps, brain washing, that kind of thing. only they tend to keep it quiet.
still Tau must be purged. As for the Imperium's xenophobia its more a matter of experience. 9/10 times any aliens they ran across tried to kill the humans, so it became a policy of "its extremely unlikely these xenos will be nice, nuke them to be sure, we can't take chances."
I think Necrons are the least douchy, they don't care about who or what gets killed and if they consider someone worthy they will kill them in a worthy fashion.
I think Daemons are cool guy, they kill everyone and doesn't afraid of anything
ashikenshin wrote: I think Necrons are the least douchy, they don't care about who or what gets killed and if they consider someone worthy they will kill them in a worthy fashion.
I think Daemons are cool guy, they kill everyone and doesn't afraid of anything
The Tau don't even kill most times, they kill as a last resort. Which is certainly less douchey than killing people as plan a.
BrianDavion wrote: the Tau are as douchbaggy as anyone else. they're just more subtle about it
Yeah, this is pretty much my view of them too. On the whole, they want to forcibly assimilate everybody into their Empire and its ideology, they just realise that diplomacy and acts of niceness are an effective tool to assist in that. But there's certainly a dark streak to their fluff.
Though, granted, I will concede that their niceness is probably geniune to some extent, and most of the evilness is probably coming from the leadership.
I have always been put off by the rigid caste system in place that oppresses some and the Ethereal caste is up to more than they say. There is a reason why a caste system is in place, control of the populace by putting the population into their place and taking out their drive to rebel. The whole "greater good" thing is a facade to justify this system. In a sense, the Ethereal caste still shoves their views down the throats of their people and expect them to like it. Communism can work....with a good deal of oppression and the taking of individual rights for the greater good of the Empire, that is the dark streak.
Warhammer 40k has put a dark spin on every race so it isn't about good vs. evil but a war of ideologies. No one is wholly good and no one is wholly evil, not even Chaos so it is pick a side you kind of agree with and kill everyone else. I like that though, to me it adds a bit of realism to it. The world isn't like it is in some heroic fairy tale where the good guy is awesome, nope this is where the good guy just saved you but to do it, he had to let thousands of others die so be thankful for it.
Keep the grim, dark future as it is, its what makes Warhammer 40k so interesting and compelling. A hippie xenos race trying to get along with everyone would just be boring and most likely wiped out pretty quickly.
Well, I mean, the Caste system is like the races of Earth. Physical differences that make the castes better suited for different tasks. The Water caste is thin, long limbed, you wouldn't ask them to fight in war alongside a Shas'la. And the Air caste are quite weak when it comes to anything physical at all and actually hurt in true gravity for too long due to frail bones.
I'm pretty sure the Tau enslave entire races for the sake of the "Greater Good" I mean everyone knows that saying, and it is in its nature arrogant and condescending.
The Tau have committed countless war crimes just like everyone else in the Grim Dark Future they just have a way of justifying it that we are more familiar with, in a world that is full of Western occupational forces in Eastern countries (which I support btw, just using this as an example)
I think a Xenos hating race. The Tau, even though I like them, seem to be somewhat out of place. On one side we have robotic skeletons wielding gauss weapons, power armoured angry priests on steroids (with plenty of skulls). On the other we have... the Tau. A sort of (sort of, only sort of) peace loving race preferring to peacefully expand but are not afraid to kill those in their way with high tech weaponry that just isn't "shooty". Their guns are powerful but not what an Ork would like. There's power but no POWEEEEEEEEEEER. I don't think my post makes much sense as I don't really know the words to explain, but I feel that the Tau are out of place.
Random Dude wrote: That's what I like to call the Tau! I find the Tau to be the easiest race to support due to the fact that they aren't racists on steroids *cough Imperium cough*. If GW were to create a new race, would you prefer a xenos hating one or a xenos accepting one?
The Tau are douchebags. They're a rigid caste system ruled over by an oligarchy of the select few who enforce their will and the expansion of their realm through military might and cultural subversion. If they show up and you don't have a bigger stick than they do, they'll make sure you join the greater good, by choice or under the guns of the Air Caste.
They just don't look so bad next to the physical manifestations of daemons, omnicidal robots, and an intensely xenophobic, theocratic, military empire.
40k is what it is because nobody gets along, in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
They love anything and everyone; love to fight them. There's no political backstabbing, there's no playing favorites, there's no racism, and there's no lies. No matter what race you are, where you live, what your belief system, the color of your skin, ect ect Orks will always treat everyone equally; even other Orks!
They just want to fight, and if you bring them a good fight they'll love you all the more for it.
Random Dude wrote: Would you rather work for the Tau and receive food and shelter, or be killed on sight by every other race?
What it really comes down to.
Would you rather be a good little Helot , or be shot ? Of course almost any human is going to opt for the former , but whether they would subsequently define that as rape, or love , is an open question. I would suspect that the Tau maintain military forces JUST LIKE HUMANS , not only for the sake of the external threat, but for the sake of the internal threat. " If you really think you are going to live forever, you don't buy life insurance . " As they say. Well, the life insurance regards the external threat only ? I doubt it . If it really is Utopia then you don't need police with heavy weapons .
They love anything and everyone; love to fight them. There's no political backstabbing, there's no playing favorites, there's no racism, and there's no lies. No matter what race you are, where you live, what your belief system, the color of your skin, ect ect Orks will always treat everyone equally; even other Orks!
They just want to fight, and if you bring them a good fight they'll love you all the more for it.
QFT
When an Ork kills something, it's not out of malice or hatred (usually). It's just because it's fun to them.
Nonsense!
Everyone knows Tyranids discriminate against Necrons! Those racist, bigoted Tyranids! It is not the average Necron's fault they aren't made of edible materials anymore!
Stop being such a necronophobe, stop racism now!
Typical Necron propaganda. Didn't you know that the Necron government is actively discriminating against tyranids? And the necron government shot down that civilian starflyer, even though the tyranids don't even have an air force to shoot down (whoops!)? Soon those plucky tyranids will crush those fascist necron scum, then the tyranid lord pyu-teen will liberate the rest of Eastern Europa star system from the clutches of the wicked Necron Overlord Libraal Deemo-Kracy.
Unlike the other, more selfish, races, Chaos doesn't stop at self preservation, it strives to sustain life throughout the universe, in real space and the warp, for all eternity.
On a less serious note: the OP is playing the wrong game if he likes his faction because he (mistakenly) thinks they're the least evil.
Im sorry but Orks are definitely the least douchbaggy race. They love all other races, and enjoy krumpin them all, they even enjoy killing each other as much as they do killing anything else. Talk about equality! Necrons are selfish, they want to rule the galaxy and bla bla bla, orks are just in it for a git stompin' good time
WE Drake Man wrote: Im sorry but Orks are definitely the least douchbaggy race. They love all other races, and enjoy krumpin them all, they even enjoy killing each other as much as they do killing anything else. Talk about equality! Necrons are selfish, they want to rule the galaxy and bla bla bla, orks are just in it for a git stompin' good time
WE Drake Man wrote: Im sorry but Orks are definitely the least douchbaggy race. They love all other races, and enjoy krumpin them all, they even enjoy killing each other as much as they do killing anything else.
Orks are very racists. The Blood Axes are less racists, bit they are looked down by other orks. Killing the current warboss if you are a very strong ork promotes you to being the new big boss (if you can handle it). Killing the current warboss if you are a human or an eldar or a kroot promotes you to being stomped to death by the new warboss. Even Ogryn are discriminated against on the ground that they are not green. But I guess some ogryn painted in green could strive in ork society.
Its a tough one, you cant say that the Imperium as a whole is douchbaggy because they have plenty of noble selfess servants, the likes of the Salamanders and the Ultramarines, and famous Guard regiments like Gaunts Ghosts, like to serve and help other Imperial citizens, just because they kill the imperiums enemies, doesn't make them douchebags.
At the same time, Tyranids aren't evil, they just eat things that aren't tyranids. Orks aren't really douchebaggy either, they are as happy killing each other as everyone else!
You cant be accused of favoritism or bigotry if you want to kill absolutely everyone!
I'd make a strong argument that Tau are the BIGGEST douchebags in 40k. Why? Check out the ally matrix.
There's absolutely no firm stance on anything outside of "we don't work with Demons or Nids." The Tau will work with ANYONE to further their own goals, up to the point where it's time to stab them in the back and assimilate them, justifying it as part of a "greater good."
That's pretty douchy.
Trying to find anyone remotely okay in the 40k universe is a fruitless effort.
Dark Eldar are the most cruel.
Eldar are the most conniving.
The Imperium are the biggest asses.
Orks are the most brutal.
Tyranids are the most selfish.
Demons are the most chaotic (pun not intended).
Necrons are the most meglomaniacal.
The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
pm713 wrote: The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
I can agree with this logic. Still, If I had to be captured by a different race from me, I would choose Tau.
pm713 wrote: The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
I can agree with this logic. Still, If I had to be captured by a different race from me, I would choose Tau.
thats suprising,
because I would totally pick that planet that is only women (where the all femal guard regiments come from)
I dont find tau ladies very attractive, so even if the amazon womens eventually snu snu's me to death, I count that as comeing out ahead
pm713 wrote: The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
I can agree with this logic. Still, If I had to be captured by a different race from me, I would choose Tau.
thats suprising,
because I would totally pick that planet that is only women (where the all femal guard regiments come from)
I dont find tau ladies very attractive, so even if the amazon womens eventually snu snu's me to death, I count that as comeing out ahead
Can you read? I said a race different from myself (meaning non-human).
The only race in 40k that weren't douchebags were the Unicorn Lords of Fluffibunnicon V. They lived in harmony with nature and respected all sapients as equally deserving of love and respect. They were all dead within 14 hours of first contact with the [insert any playable faction here, they're all absolute monsters].
pm713 wrote: The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
I can agree with this logic. Still, If I had to be captured by a different race from me, I would choose Tau.
thats suprising,
because I would totally pick that planet that is only women (where the all femal guard regiments come from)
I dont find tau ladies very attractive, so even if the amazon womens eventually snu snu's me to death, I count that as comeing out ahead
Can you read? I said a race different from myself (meaning non-human).
Engine of War wrote: Its mostly around forced sterilization of subjugated populaces, concentration camps, brain washing, that kind of thing. only they tend to keep it quiet.
Truth. The only reason the Vespids are actually allied with the Tau is due to their "Communion Helms."
That being said, the average Imperial Citizen would have a higher quality of life living under Tau rule than any other Xeno race.
pm713 wrote: The only races that aren't douches are Tyranids and Orks. This is because Tyranids are basically just wild animals trying to survive and Orks just follow their nature.
I can agree with this logic. Still, If I had to be captured by a different race from me, I would choose Tau.
I can understand that. Probably the best to be taken prisoner by.
Mirzayev wrote: Truth. The only reason the Vespids are actually allied with the Tau is due to their "Communion Helms."
Except that whether or not those are just translating or mind-controlling is voluntarily left open to different interpretation for the fan. So, do not make that a fact.
There is objectively no fluff that states that the Ethereals or anything in the Tau Empire mind-control other beings.
Assuming such is as weird as assuming that the Tau put people in mind-wiping sterilization camps, a concept mentioned only a single time in the fluff, which is a one-liner in the non-canon ending of a video game franchise, the very same franchise in fact in which another non-canon ending has Asdrubael Vect die in it. Durr I guess Tau put people in concentration camps and Vect is dead in the fluff then!
You can certainly choose to have the head-canon that Tau mind-rape other species, just keep in mind that in my head-canon, Terminators prefer to fight by back-flipping around firing multi-lasers. Using the logic presented by some people in this thread, my head-canon, ironically, is better supported by the fluff than yours.
The Tau still do evil, just in a less moustache-twirlingly obvious way. When they find a planet they want, they either take over without starting a war, at which point the native culture will be subsumed and Tau-ified, or they will force the inhabitants to join at gunpoint.
In many other settings, a faction like that would be villains, but in 40K, "good guys" just means "least evil".
BlaxicanX wrote: It's not up interpretation.
There is objectively no fluff that states that the Ethereals or anything in the Tau Empire mind-control other beings.
I'm pretty sure that the Ethereals using mind-control is actually openly stated in the Farsight Enclaves Codex.
The Tau aren't good. They just aren't an entirely evil race. They'll still kill, they just won't kill on sight and won't charge at you with a chain-axe screaming "BLOODFORTHEBLOODGODSKULLSFORTHESKULLTHRONEKILLMAIMBURNKILLMAIMBURN".
Nonsense!
Everyone knows Tyranids discriminate against Necrons! Those racist, bigoted Tyranids! It is not the average Necron's fault they aren't made of edible materials anymore!
Stop being such a necronophobe, stop racism now!
Ah yes, Tau, the hyper-techno fascists relying on a strict caste system and orwellian methods of control. Such nice chaps.
I would honestly say the 'nicest' race depends on the viewpoint. From a human viewpoint, the nicest are probably IoM, purely because they don't want to kill your outright.
From a galactic perspective (I always forget if 40k spans galaxies or not?) probably the Tyranids. I mean, they want to convert all organic matter whether they like it or not, but there's not any maliciousness about it. They just want to convert some matter which may want to resist converting...
EDIT: I agree with guy above me actually, Pops N-Dizzle is probably the nicest guy in the universe! He loves erryone!
There is objectively no fluff that states that the Ethereals or anything in the Tau Empire mind-control other beings. Assuming such is as weird as assuming that the Tau put people in mind-wiping sterilization camps, a concept mentioned only a single time in the fluff,
Well there's Xenology that hints at the Ethereals/Tau being created out of a pheromone mind controlling queen. That might have been retconed though.
In the enclave's codex they turn into your regular xenophobic, kill everything people/tau after the Eth's have been killed and have to think for themselves.
My memory is a bit hazy at the moment but i think sterilization was mentioned in one of the Damocles books.
But really, it's got to be the Orks. They might be yob's, but they're straight up nob's. You know exactly where you stand with a Ork. As far away as possible
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
Living on a Chaos world is very similar to just being some back-water single planet (or perhaps just a few planets) race which is extraordinarily far from a power player.
Life could be a horrible grind, constant pain, or extremely enjoyable and simple; it's just a mixed bag. Yet whatever life you live, if something bigger notices you and doesn't like you then you're gone.
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
haha that is awesome. But in all seriousness, every Chaos world I have read about is horrible. I mean if you are at least with Nurgle, you won't die but you would be a zombie and not really have anything to call yours. Khorne is constant fighting or arena games. Slaanesh...okay...maybe but still there is pain that comes with that pleasure plus Emperor's Children have ruined any kind of good tidings towards Slaanesh and Tzeentch...wouldn't mind that if I was a psyker but you would probably blow yourself up.
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
haha that is awesome. But in all seriousness, every Chaos world I have read about is horrible. I mean if you are at least with Nurgle, you won't die but you would be a zombie and not really have anything to call yours. Khorne is constant fighting or arena games. Slaanesh...okay...maybe but still there is pain that comes with that pleasure plus Emperor's Children have ruined any kind of good tidings towards Slaanesh and Tzeentch...wouldn't mind that if I was a psyker but you would probably blow yourself up.
There is a reason why I play GK....
What non-chaotics often forget about chaos worlds is that they, and their inhabitants do not operate on logic or reason. They are not human, and the powerful ones are there by choice.
Nurglites are empowered by their diseases, and only those who turned to Nurgle in death become zombies. For the most part, they go insane, and find the whole "My parts are falling off, but I'm not getting any smaller" shtick quite hilarious.
Khornates (those that revel in bloodsport, not the fodder), find a joy in combat. Any combat. All the combat... KILL MAIM BURN! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LET THE GALAXY BUUUUUURRRRRNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slaaneshites are... Stimulated. They know of a hollowing of their soul, but for the most part they are too high to care. #wubsforthewubgod.
And Tzeentchian... things are majikul and full of Just As Planned. For them the means are their own ends.
Random Dude wrote: That's what I like to call the Tau! I find the Tau to be the easiest race to support due to the fact that they aren't racists on steroids *cough Imperium cough*. If GW were to create a new race, would you prefer a xenos hating one or a xenos accepting one?
BAHAHAHAHA, now seriously though burn the heretic..
Research a topic called CHINA which Tau and their tactics are obviously styled after...
Meanwhile on a fluff note, The average fire warrior is as racist as the average imperial citizen..
They both despise humans that don't do exactly as they're told and think that their lack of dicipline is some sort of infectious disease that should annihilated before it spreads. Water cast think humans are gullible fools that can be tricked into anything and the ethereals don't even wast their time thinking abiotic the needs of humanity unless they can somehow fulfil the needs of the greater good by doin so... Which is upload is pretty much how they treat their own four casts...
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Should you transform into a strewn ball of muscle, it is most likely you have turned into Chaos Spawn. Contact your physician immediately and schedule an appointment for immediate medical assistance.
Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
haha that is awesome. But in all seriousness, every Chaos world I have read about is horrible. I mean if you are at least with Nurgle, you won't die but you would be a zombie and not really have anything to call yours. Khorne is constant fighting or arena games. Slaanesh...okay...maybe but still there is pain that comes with that pleasure plus Emperor's Children have ruined any kind of good tidings towards Slaanesh and Tzeentch...wouldn't mind that if I was a psyker but you would probably blow yourself up.
There is a reason why I play GK....
What non-chaotics often forget about chaos worlds is that they, and their inhabitants do not operate on logic or reason. They are not human, and the powerful ones are there by choice.
Nurglites are empowered by their diseases, and only those who turned to Nurgle in death become zombies. For the most part, they go insane, and find the whole "My parts are falling off, but I'm not getting any smaller" shtick quite hilarious.
Khornates (those that revel in bloodsport, not the fodder), find a joy in combat. Any combat. All the combat... KILL MAIM BURN! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LET THE GALAXY BUUUUUURRRRRNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slaaneshites are... Stimulated. They know of a hollowing of their soul, but for the most part they are too high to care. #wubsforthewubgod.
And Tzeentchian... things are majikul and full of Just As Planned. For them the means are their own ends.
I really feel that "Hey, it looks bad right now but you know what, after you drink the kool aid, everything is great" is not really a strong argument. If it looks fething nuts chances are its fething nuts and drinking the kool aid doesn't change that.
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Okay, I would take the Tau over that gak. It is all the same, it is just who you live under even for Chaos, Chaos just doesn't have laws. You could still be sacrificed to a god at the drop of a hat.
haha that is awesome. But in all seriousness, every Chaos world I have read about is horrible. I mean if you are at least with Nurgle, you won't die but you would be a zombie and not really have anything to call yours. Khorne is constant fighting or arena games. Slaanesh...okay...maybe but still there is pain that comes with that pleasure plus Emperor's Children have ruined any kind of good tidings towards Slaanesh and Tzeentch...wouldn't mind that if I was a psyker but you would probably blow yourself up.
There is a reason why I play GK....
What non-chaotics often forget about chaos worlds is that they, and their inhabitants do not operate on logic or reason. They are not human, and the powerful ones are there by choice.
Nurglites are empowered by their diseases, and only those who turned to Nurgle in death become zombies. For the most part, they go insane, and find the whole "My parts are falling off, but I'm not getting any smaller" shtick quite hilarious.
Khornates (those that revel in bloodsport, not the fodder), find a joy in combat. Any combat. All the combat... KILL MAIM BURN! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LET THE GALAXY BUUUUUURRRRRNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slaaneshites are... Stimulated. They know of a hollowing of their soul, but for the most part they are too high to care. #wubsforthewubgod.
And Tzeentchian... things are majikul and full of Just As Planned. For them the means are their own ends.
I really feel that "Hey, it looks bad right now but you know what, after you drink the kool aid, everything is great" is not really a strong argument. If it looks fething nuts chances are its fething nuts and drinking the kool aid doesn't change that.
But...Kool-aid tastes good?
Anyway, you're right though. I mean, Chaos is very crazy and evil but let me just point out....Chaos litterally resembles your mortal emotions. Soooo, we will not apologize for the monsters we have become until you apologize for making us as such
Good poster ! Except ----- while the intent behind the poster was undoubtedly laudable , it shows ordinary guardsmen casually handling xenos objects. So it's encouraging behavior that tends to lead to heresy. Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition needs to have a sit down with the relevant propaganda department.
Good poster ! Except ----- while the intent behind the poster was undoubtedly laudable , it shows ordinary guardsmen casually handling xenos objects. So it's encouraging behavior that tends to lead to heresy. Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition needs to have a sit down with the relevant propaganda department.
While using vile Xeno technology is bad, as told by the holy Omnissiah that Xeno tech is heresy. I don't think Trophies are viewed badly, sometimes it is even encouraged among them men.
Good poster ! Except ----- while the intent behind the poster was undoubtedly laudable , it shows ordinary guardsmen casually handling xenos objects. So it's encouraging behavior that tends to lead to heresy. Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition needs to have a sit down with the relevant propaganda department.
While using vile Xeno technology is bad, as told by the holy Omnissiah that Xeno tech is heresy. I don't think Trophies are viewed badly, sometimes it is even encouraged among them men.
Using Xenos technology is acceptable only in the Deathwatch.
Random Dude wrote: Would you rather work for the Tau and receive food and shelter, or be killed on sight by every other race?
What it really comes down to.
Would you rather be a good little Helot , or be shot ? Of course almost any human is going to opt for the former , but whether they would subsequently define that as rape, or love , is an open question. I would suspect that the Tau maintain military forces JUST LIKE HUMANS , not only for the sake of the external threat, but for the sake of the internal threat. " If you really think you are going to live forever, you don't buy life insurance . " As they say. Well, the life insurance regards the external threat only ? I doubt it . If it really is Utopia then you don't need police with heavy weapons .
It's unclear that the Tau would maintain a military threat for internal purposes. The Fire Caste was kept up, trained, and maintained for a long period only because the Ethereals believed that they would need them once they moved off the surface of T'au.
Otherwise the Firecaste was not used between the period of the Ethereals arriving and the Tau moving off planet.
The Tau are sort of the 40k version of the Roman Empire in some regards. You are perfectly fine worshiping whoever and whatever you want, can live your life as you please as a conquered people, as long as you accept the Greater Good (Emperor) as the head of everything. The Romans were not particularly nice people, but in comparison it was far better to be inside the Empire than outside it.
I think most responders have come to see"douchey" as racism and are responding accordingly.
IMO, for douchey levels:
Imperium: to preserve its empire, the Imperium either turns 'ordinary' humans into part man part machine part steroid-infused super human giant, and then makes them fight in the most brutal situations. If one doesnt satisfy the needs of these superhumans during the trials to become one, they became fused into a machine as cyborg helpers that may be lucky enough to have tracks instead of feat, or get placed in a wall to help a superhuman put his armour in. For it's other armies, the Imperium drafts billions of men and woman into it's huge armies, and then kills billions of them to keep some planets, sometimes all for naught.
Eldar: Their arrogance was their downfall, but do they change their attitude? Their sense of self-preservation is douchey in the extreme, as theyd rather whole planets die in place of them. Dont even get me started on Wave Serpents Spam.
Dark Eldar: Conniving, Brutal, Bloodthirsty, Derpraved and Torture-loving/ surviving. These guys live on the pain of others, so they steal them and kill them slowly so they can absorb more pain before moving on to the next one. Need I say more?
Orks: These guys dont kill for more land. These guys dont kill to protect their families, for money (sort of (teef)) or for political gain. They kill because they can. They kill because they like it. They like inflicting pain and suffering because theyre big tough and dumb. This is the typical description of a bully. And do you know what we call bullies? Hint: Douches.
Necrons: Okay. Well these guys aren't too bad. They kill because they want to reinstate their ancient empire. But I think the killer aspect of the Necrons is the Biotransference. The highest member of the hierarchy, the Silent King, who would get the best 'upgrades' and retain his personality, forced the lowest people, the plebes and such, to sell their souls and effectively die to create mechanical monstrosities. These guys were the OD (Original Douchebags).
Tyranids: Eat everything. Which is douchey in itself, but they're basically animals so its hard to be specifically douchey. Just douchey by nature of killing because they're told to.
Tau: They subsume all those who allow them. Kill those who don't. They are always right. When they're not right, they're right. Riptides. Douchey. But not the most douchey.
Chaos: They are the Corrupting. The Depraved. The Violent. The Pestilent. Those who seek so much to gain power that theyve fought an impossible war with each other for millenia upon end. When they can't do it themselves, theyll ruin the lives of others for them to do it. Just as Planned.
Tau fluff is almost all "maybes" and "perhapses" so it is up to each player to determine how bright or dark they really are. A lot of hints at a malevolent undertone, but nothing is confirmed. So a view that the Tau Empire is basically the Federation in 40k or the Imperium 2.0 can't really be said to be totally wrong.
Personally, I like the tau because I see them as a deep shade of grey (perhaps a bit dark grey, but still). I think they legitimately believe what they are doing is improving the lives of everyone since the Greater Good saved their own race from self-destruction and began their century long Golden Age, but they cannot fathom why anyone would reject their offer. For non-tau races in the empire, I see it basically like living in a golden cage.
Good poster ! Except ----- while the intent behind the poster was undoubtedly laudable , it shows ordinary guardsmen casually handling xenos objects. So it's encouraging behavior that tends to lead to heresy. Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition needs to have a sit down with the relevant propaganda department.
While using vile Xeno technology is bad, as told by the holy Omnissiah that Xeno tech is heresy. I don't think Trophies are viewed badly, sometimes it is even encouraged among them men.
Using Xenos technology is acceptable only in the Deathwatch.
"Do as we say, not as we Do" is pretty much the motto of the Inqusition.
WE Drake Man wrote: Im sorry but Orks are definitely the least douchbaggy race. They love all other races, and enjoy krumpin them all, they even enjoy killing each other as much as they do killing anything else.
Orks are very racists. The Blood Axes are less racists, bit they are looked down by other orks. Killing the current warboss if you are a very strong ork promotes you to being the new big boss (if you can handle it). Killing the current warboss if you are a human or an eldar or a kroot promotes you to being stomped to death by the new warboss. Even Ogryn are discriminated against on the ground that they are not green. But I guess some ogryn painted in green could strive in ork society.
Well when I said "love all other races" I guess what I really meant was to an ork, it doesnt matter whether the face your smashing in is a planetary governor who foolishly though he could win against the green tide, a Hive Tyrant, or just some git from the Bad Moonz on the other side of the camp who had a shiny shoota you fancied. Thats a kinda twisted, green, version of equality.
Orks aside though, if I'm being honest, every race in 40k are douch bags in their own right, ultimately, they want to pursue their own goals above any others, but theyre all at war, and thats just how the far future works. If youve come to 40k looking for a race that you can consider 'nice guys' then youre barking up the wrong tree.
WE Drake Man wrote: Well when I said "love all other races" I guess what I really meant was to an ork, it doesnt matter whether the face your smashing in is a planetary governor who foolishly though he could win against the green tide, a Hive Tyrant, or just some git from the Bad Moonz on the other side of the camp who had a shiny shoota you fancied. Thats a kinda twisted, green, version of equality.
For most faction of the Imperium, it does not matter whether the thing they are fighting are human rebels, tau, orks or eldars. They are still very specist, just like the ork. The same can be applied for eldars. Actually, I think every faction except maybe the lost and the damned would be specist in 40k. Even the Tau, that would never let a non-Tau in a position of power, or even a non-Ethereal in any position above an Ethereal.
WE Drake Man wrote: Well when I said "love all other races" I guess what I really meant was to an ork, it doesnt matter whether the face your smashing in is a planetary governor who foolishly though he could win against the green tide, a Hive Tyrant, or just some git from the Bad Moonz on the other side of the camp who had a shiny shoota you fancied. Thats a kinda twisted, green, version of equality.
For most faction of the Imperium, it does not matter whether the thing they are fighting are human rebels, tau, orks or eldars. They are still very specist, just like the ork. The same can be applied for eldars. Actually, I think every faction except maybe the lost and the damned would be specist in 40k. Even the Tau, that would never let a non-Tau in a position of power, or even a non-Ethereal in any position above an Ethereal.
Every race, save perhaps Tyranids and to a lesser extent Tau, have two things in common:
They will fight anything; even themselves. Tyranids and Tau are both fairly exempt from this, but not entirely (Farsight Enclaves, Hive Fleets competing to consume a world).
They will not allow anyone out-of-race force to rule them unless subjected to literal slavery or some form of mind control. Ergo citizens of all types working for the Dark Eldar as slaves, Tyranids being controlled (to some extent) via experimentation.
All races have this in common, so to say that Orks aren't special because of that is true. However this is a fairly flat argument, because what really matters is the feelings which accompany this act as well as the reasoning.
For example, whilst the Imperium will kill anything (even other humans), they also hate everything which they kill. All Xenos must due because they are filthy xenos which do not deserve to live. All heretics must burn because they are malicious and vile heathens who seek only to corrupt mankind's purity and lead them astray. They hate everything which they kill, they do it for "bad" reasons if you will.
Similarly, look at Orks. Orks fight not because of hatred or racial enmity, but just for the joy of it. As far as they're concerned fighting is the only reason to live, and they fail to grasp that other races do not share this sentiment. An Ork will never be genuinely upset that a fight was brought to them, and by the same token they do not bring fights to other races because they hate them or harbor any ethnic cleansing policies. They don't grasp that others don't want to fight them, the concept is utterly alien to them.
For another side of the coin, Dark Eldar fight everyone entirely for personal gain. They want to get their rocks off by torturing and climb the social ladder, that's the reason they fight and kill. Tau fight to subvert everything under their control Necrons fight because they want to purge all life and view the other races as pitiful squatters. Chaos fights because it wants to corrupt and bring about an existence of eternal agony, damnation, and mayhem. Tyranids fight because they're hungry and want to survive.
While it's true that everyone fights everyone, there are very different tones. The whole "Orks don't hate, they love" thing really is true. They love that the other races exist and wouldn't have it any other way; it gives them something to fight. They love it when the other races bring them a fight, because it's jolly good fun even if they die. Compare this to the "Everything is inferior and all other races must be erased" reasoning of the Imperium, or the thirst for pain which drives the Dark Eldar. While no one in 40k is by any means a good guy, Orks are one of the only races which lacks an actual streak of evil, no such thing is even hinted at. They fight and wage war because they love it and don't understand any other way of life, not because they have some alternate motives.
morganfreeman wrote: Every race, save perhaps Tyranids and to a lesser extent Tau, have two things in common:
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They will not allow anyone out-of-race force to rule them unless subjected to literal slavery or some form of mind control. Ergo citizens of all types working for the Dark Eldar as slaves, Tyranids being controlled (to some extent) via experimentation.
Species, not races.
And I disagree. There are Guevesa, there are kroots…
morganfreeman wrote: Similarly, look at Orks. Orks fight not because of hatred or racial enmity, but just for the joy of it. As far as they're concerned fighting is the only reason to live, and they fail to grasp that other races do not share this sentiment. An Ork will never be genuinely upset that a fight was brought to them, and by the same token they do not bring fights to other races because they hate them or harbor any ethnic cleansing policies. They don't grasp that others don't want to fight them, the concept is utterly alien to them.
I am pretty sure saying “I do not want to fight you” to an ork will not change anything. Even if you manage to convince it. It will just convince it to enslave you. Because that is what orks do with people that would not fight.
Bureaucrat wrote: Tau fluff is almost all "maybes" and "perhapses" so it is up to each player to determine how bright or dark they really are. A lot of hints at a malevolent undertone, but nothing is confirmed. So a view that the Tau Empire is basically the Federation in 40k or the Imperium 2.0 can't really be said to be totally wrong.
Personally, I like the tau because I see them as a deep shade of grey (perhaps a bit dark grey, but still). I think they legitimately believe what they are doing is improving the lives of everyone since the Greater Good saved their own race from self-destruction and began their century long Golden Age, but they cannot fathom why anyone would reject their offer. For non-tau races in the empire, I see it basically like living in a golden cage.
A golden cage with very widely spaced bars. Allied races are still allowed to do much of what they want. The Kroot, for example, still eat fallen prey. The Tau do not approve, but also do not stop it or treat the kroot poorly because of it. Ex Imperials are still allowed to worship the Emporer if they so choose. Travel is not restricted beyond dangerous zones or to Farsight's domain. Trade is largely open and free.
If it does not directly imperil the Greater Good (obidience to the Emporer), you are largely still your own man/woman. So retrictions, yes, but far less than any other race.
Papa nurgle doesn't love you, he loves his idea of you, and he's going to make you scream in delirious agony and suffer in suicidal misery (while being unable to actually die), in order to force you to fit that image.
Melissia wrote: Papa nurgle doesn't love you, he loves his idea of you, and he's going to make you scream in delirious agony and suffer in suicidal misery (while being unable to actually die), in order to force you to fit that image.
They love anything and everyone; love to fight them. There's no political backstabbing, there's no playing favorites, there's no racism, and there's no lies. No matter what race you are, where you live, what your belief system, the color of your skin, ect ect Orks will always treat everyone equally; even other Orks!
They just want to fight, and if you bring them a good fight they'll love you all the more for it.
not exactly.
no political backstabbing
in a society where 'might makes right' and 'the bigger, the better', there is backstabbing. many cunning orks will provoke 'accidents' to their leader and occupy its place or give counsels to let their leader fight impossible odds and being killed in the proccess, leaving such spot open
no racism
gretchins and snotlings want to have a word with you. they're still orks
no lies
see political backstabbing. ambitious orks will do everything to rise in the ork chain of biggeness, althought they'll do it by fighting if easier.
Who's sayin tyranids are eating my necrons? I will CRUSH them! By the way, necrons aren't douchebags if you think about it. I agree they're racist though, especially against eldar
Da Stormlord wrote: Who's sayin tyranids are eating my necrons? I will CRUSH them! By the way, necrons aren't douchebags if you think about it. I agree they're racist though, especially against eldar
Necrons are just pouting over their bad fortune but other than that, they are these great cuddly gauss toting metal machines.
The Salamanders are the only good guys. Vulkan would sacrifice marines to save civilians. Tu'shan beat the piss out of a marines malevolent captain for firing on orks with artillery in a civillian compound.
Ba'ken and Dak'ir held a blast door open for like an hour to let crew members evacuate a damaged part of their strike cruiser until they were out of strength. Then Praetor walked under the door with terminator armor and just let it rest on him lol.
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Oh, thank you. Necrons are nice and cuddly though, yeah real cuddly
I hate Tau they are not nice. Their Ethreals use mind controll to enslave the lesser casts.
I would like a passive race of Space Fish, that used diplomacy and passive protests in Battle. You will not win the Battle but atleast they try to make the 40 universe a little better.
I would have to say orks. They don't fight for gain, politics , hate , revenge, expansion or malice.
They just love to fight who ever when ever. They even find humor in violance.
Reasons for fighting:
Tau : expansion
Imperium: expansion and hates aliens
chaos : hates the galaxy
necrons: kill all living things
nids: expansion and eat everything for survival
dark eldar: evil love to torture and enslave
eldar: despises lesser races and want to reclaim what they lost
and finally,
Orks: looking for a good time with any one.
Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote: I would have to say orks. They don't fight for gain, politics , hate , revenge, expansion or malice.
They just love to fight who ever when ever. They even find humor in violance.
Reasons for fighting:
Tau : expansion
Imperium: expansion and hates aliens
chaos : hates the galaxy
necrons: kill all living things
nids: expansion and eat everything for survival
dark eldar: evil love to torture and enslave
eldar: despises lesser races and want to reclaim what they lost
and finally,
Orks: looking for a good time with any one.
I will have to second this, I wouldn't put neither Orks, or nids in this....survival isn't exactly evil neither is doing it for fun. But that's just my humble opinion
Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote: I would have to say orks. They don't fight for gain, politics , hate , revenge, expansion or malice.
They just love to fight who ever when ever. They even find humor in violance.
Reasons for fighting:
Tau : expansion
Imperium: expansion and hates aliens
chaos : hates the galaxy
necrons: kill all living things
nids: expansion and eat everything for survival
dark eldar: evil love to torture and enslave
eldar: despises lesser races and want to reclaim what they lost
and finally,
Orks: looking for a good time with any one.
I don't think I've ever seen eldar attack anyone just because they despise them, and to be honest only certain Craftworld's are attempting to reclaim the empire. Most of what they're fighting for is survival as a species and a culture. Personally I like to think of their race as something of a redemption story true by defeating Slaanesh and righting the wrongs made a millenia ago.
How can you say that Orks do not fight for politics, when really that is the only way they do all of their political stuff ?
Also, their money is the teeth of other orks, so I am pretty sure they do fight to get them.
The third war of Armageddon was also all about Gazhkull seeking revenge on Yarrick. Well, arguably, it could be described more as wanting a rematch because you enjoyed the first game, but how could you call the bombing of Hades if not horrible revenge?
Also, orks are just as racists as imperials. Ask the digga.
Did I mentioned how orks enslaved a whole specie ?
EmpNortonII wrote: I think a more interesting thread would be on which faction is the biggest douchebag.
Eldar trickery!
Rerouting alien forces to fight wars fir them. Pretty douchey. very cowardly.
I dunno... blowing up Badab while it was still full of friendly forces is pretty douchey. Besides- how many times did a allied army quit a war because they had to work alongside them? The Fire Angels quit the Badab War after fighting *alongside* the Space Sharks.
Orks are actually very racist. Their fluff is filled with them thinking many things are "unorky", etc. And Grazghull's quote about how the orcs should conquer humans because they're weak, except for Yarrick (he knows how to fight!). Etc etc etc. They're also very quick to kill other orks for heresy in their own way (which is one of several reasons Chaos has a tough time getting a hold of them). Heck, Orks will kill other Orks just for saying something is Gork when they think it's Mork. Admittingly, Orks will kill for any reason whatsoever but religion is an especially fast way to get on the krumpin' list. (honestly can't blame them though considering that Gork and Mork are possibly the nicest gods in the setting to their race. It says a lot about the setting though when the nicest gods might be the nicest because they maybe don't actually exist, but even in the circumstances where they seemingly do, they're only ever being benevolent to Orks for the most part, but I digress)
^^
I think In terms of killed civilians of the own faction the Imperium has cleary the edge on winning the douchebag award.
I think the Eldar are the faction which wont lie straight up to you but they would avoid to give you any useful information or
tell you what is their intend. Better be no tread to them...And that dosent keep them from trickery.
A few other examples
Orkz = Lie
Imperium= Tau= Regular Space Marine = truth
Grey Nights = Dark Eldar= if you trust
Necrons= trustworthy
Chaos= Adepta Sororita= Do you trust the pope?
Tyranides= They wont lie to to you , do they? Did they?
Demons= lie
The Emperor= uuumm he killed his brother... do not trust
Eldar=
You can see almost any race wich dos not talk do not lie and therefore is not douchbaggy as much
JohnZoo wrote: ^^
I think In terms of killed civilians of the own faction the Imperium has cleary the edge on winning the douchebag award.
Pretty sure Chaos kills civilians in at least as much an equal ratio of civilian-to-leader/army/whatever if not more, depending on how you're measuring the ratio. Sure, in the matter of pure numbers, yea, the Imperium probably wins, but only because it has so many civilians and everything else in the first place, and even that we're not sure about since we don't know how many "civilians" are in the eye of terror. In terms of ratio/proportion, though, Chaos possibly has it beat. Some Chaos factions don't kill as many civilians because the closest thing they have "civilians" went EXTINCT (such as the Emperor's Children, who ended up raiding other Chaos factions for slaves when their own slaves ran out)
Dark Eldar would kill lots of civilians too if there was actually such a thing in Dark Eldar society. Instead they just go through slaves as fast as the Emperor's Children did (except DE can actually get fresh slaves fast enough to replace them).
Ork slaves (from other races) don't last very long either. Even for Gretchen, MaKari's lifespan of 7 years was considered old, but that might just be a "natural" lifespan thing rather than something done by Orks (although in Makari's case it was an ork that killed him, but by accident)
JohnZoo wrote: ^^
I think In terms of killed civilians of the own faction the Imperium has cleary the edge on winning the douchebag award.
I think the Eldar are the faction which wont lie straight up to you but they would avoid to give you any useful information or
tell you what is their intend. Better be no tread to them...And that dosent keep them from trickery.
A few other examples
Orkz = Lie
Imperium= Tau= Regular Space Marine = truth
Grey Nights = Dark Eldar= if you trust
Necrons= trustworthy
Chaos= Adepta Sororita= Do you trust the pope?
Tyranides= They wont lie to to you , do they? Did they?
Demons= lie
The Emperor= uuumm he killed his brother... do not trust
Eldar=
You can see almost any race wich dos not talk do not lie and therefore is not douchbaggy as much
The Emperor did not have siblings to kill and the Eldar kill take twins, kill one to put into a soul stone then put it into a Wraithknight construct and have the other sibling pilot it so yeah, how does that make the Emperor not trustworthy when the Eldar do it on a daily basis if that were true in the first place? The Emperor killed Horus but that is after he rebelled and attacked Terra and slaughtered millions so it was kind of coming to him in the first place.
JohnZoo wrote: ^^
I think In terms of killed civilians of the own faction the Imperium has cleary the edge on winning the douchebag award.
I think the Eldar are the faction which wont lie straight up to you but they would avoid to give you any useful information or
tell you what is their intend. Better be no tread to them...And that dosent keep them from trickery.
A few other examples
Orkz = Lie
Imperium= Tau= Regular Space Marine = truth
Grey Nights = Dark Eldar= if you trust
Necrons= trustworthy
Chaos= Adepta Sororita= Do you trust the pope?
Tyranides= They wont lie to to you , do they? Did they?
Demons= lie
The Emperor= uuumm he killed his brother... do not trust
Eldar=
You can see almost any race wich dos not talk do not lie and therefore is not douchbaggy as much
The Emperor did not have siblings to kill and the Eldar kill take twins, kill one to put into a soul stone then put it into a Wraithknight construct and have the other sibling pilot it so yeah, how does that make the Emperor not trustworthy when the Eldar do it on a daily basis if that were true in the first place? The Emperor killed Horus but that is after he rebelled and attacked Terra and slaughtered millions so it was kind of coming to him in the first place.
To be fair the eldar don't all kill twins, its a taboo suggested by radical farseers to make eldar darker. But even if they did is that really any worse than the emperor having a thousand souls sacrificed to him daily or the imperial guard believing that ammunition is worth more value than the lives of their own soldiers?
I was simply pointing out that the Eldar do some screwed up stuff as much as the Imperium does in the name of furthering their own goals. This is grim dark after all and the Eldar aren't the best of a race either.
Envihon wrote: I was simply pointing out that the Eldar do some screwed up stuff as much as the Imperium does in the name of furthering their own goals. This is grim dark after all and the Eldar aren't the best of a race either.
I understand what you're trying to say, no ones "good" in 40k. But if you're going the route to smear the eldar and prove they're as bad as the IoM wouldn't it make more sense to point out things that are more than just rumors to the Eldar themselves? For example, the eldar and IoM have a habit of backstabbing each other after making impromptu alliances to fight off larger and more brutal enemies. And honestly I can't see the eldar being worse than the imperium. They don't bring on genocide to their own people, and they're not guided by blind zealotry and hate. But I suppose we've both got our own opinions.
How can you say that Orks do not fight for politics, when really that is the only way they do all of their political stuff ?
Also, their money is the teeth of other orks, so I am pretty sure they do fight to get them.
The third war of Armageddon was also all about Gazhkull seeking revenge on Yarrick. Well, arguably, it could be described more as wanting a rematch because you enjoyed the first game, but how could you call the bombing of Hades if not horrible revenge?
Also, orks are just as racists as imperials. Ask the digga.
Did I mentioned how orks enslaved a whole specie ?
A good laugh?
All armies are douchebags, orks are just the only ones that are douchebags because it is fun.
TiamatRoar wrote: Orks are actually very racist. Their fluff is filled with them thinking many things are "unorky", etc. And Grazghull's quote about how the orcs should conquer humans because they're weak, except for Yarrick (he knows how to fight!). Etc etc etc. They're also very quick to kill other orks for heresy in their own way (which is one of several reasons Chaos has a tough time getting a hold of them). Heck, Orks will kill other Orks just for saying something is Gork when they think it's Mork. Admittingly, Orks will kill for any reason whatsoever but religion is an especially fast way to get on the krumpin' list. (honestly can't blame them though considering that Gork and Mork are possibly the nicest gods in the setting to their race. It says a lot about the setting though when the nicest gods might be the nicest because they maybe don't actually exist, but even in the circumstances where they seemingly do, they're only ever being benevolent to Orks for the most part, but I digress)
On the flip-side, Ork morality is an entirely different beast than that of other races. Orcs have very little in the way of a preservation instinct and don't feel much in the way of pain, 'suffering' is almost unknown to them.
Orks really are the 'nicest' race; or at least the least 'evil'. They're not less evil because they commit less atrocities / generally treat things nicer, they're better because.. Well, it's what they do. Ork belief is simply that being stronger means your entitled to do what you please with those smaller and weaker, it's as simple as that. They don't grasp pain or fear of death to a large extent either, so they're mostly blind to the suffering they cause. That's not a terribly good thing, but let's be real here.. Would you rather be captured by Orks, or captured by literally anyone else? Under Orkish capture you'll toil away as a slave until you decide to act up, at which point you'll meet a brutal (but quick) end. Literally every other race will torture you for various reasons with the exceptions of Tyranids - they won't even give you the option to surrender.
morganfreeman wrote: Would you rather be captured by Orks, or captured by literally anyone else?
By Craftworld Eldar or Tau, thank you.
morganfreeman wrote: Literally every other race will torture you for various reasons with the exceptions of Tyranids - they won't even give you the option to surrender.
Except for the Imperium where most faction will just kill you right away, the tau that will allows you to become part of their empire, the craftworld eldar that will do… something?, the necrons that will likely kill you right away. So, yeah, daemons, Chaos marines and Dark Eldar are likely to torture you and therefore worse than Orks. Big deal.
Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
TiamatRoar wrote: Orks are actually very racist. Their fluff is filled with them thinking many things are "unorky", etc. And Grazghull's quote about how the orcs should conquer humans because they're weak, except for Yarrick (he knows how to fight!). Etc etc etc. They're also very quick to kill other orks for heresy in their own way (which is one of several reasons Chaos has a tough time getting a hold of them). Heck, Orks will kill other Orks just for saying something is Gork when they think it's Mork. Admittingly, Orks will kill for any reason whatsoever but religion is an especially fast way to get on the krumpin' list. (honestly can't blame them though considering that Gork and Mork are possibly the nicest gods in the setting to their race. It says a lot about the setting though when the nicest gods might be the nicest because they maybe don't actually exist, but even in the circumstances where they seemingly do, they're only ever being benevolent to Orks for the most part, but I digress)
On the flip-side, Ork morality is an entirely different beast than that of other races. Orcs have very little in the way of a preservation instinct and don't feel much in the way of pain, 'suffering' is almost unknown to them.
Orks really are the 'nicest' race; or at least the least 'evil'. They're not less evil because they commit less atrocities / generally treat things nicer, they're better because.. Well, it's what they do. Ork belief is simply that being stronger means your entitled to do what you please with those smaller and weaker, it's as simple as that. They don't grasp pain or fear of death to a large extent either, so they're mostly blind to the suffering they cause. That's not a terribly good thing, but let's be real here.. Would you rather be captured by Orks, or captured by literally anyone else? Under Orkish capture you'll toil away as a slave until you decide to act up, at which point you'll meet a brutal (but quick) end. Literally every other race will torture you for various reasons with the exceptions of Tyranids - they won't even give you the option to surrender.
and don't forget they're they only race that is environmentally friendly. Take a barren wasteland of a planet, add a few orks, (dead or alive) and soon all sorts plant life returns, and the wasteland becomes a fertile planet again.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
The Imperium is too large to be written off as douchey, it depends on the part of the imperium you are dealing with.
The almost secular Ultramarines for example, are not douchey, and the same for the likes of the Salamanders, what about their behavior makes them douchey?
mattyrm wrote: The Imperium is too large to be written off as douchey, it depends on the part of the imperium you are dealing with.
The almost secular Ultramarines for example, are not douchey, and the same for the likes of the Salamanders, what about their behavior makes them douchey?
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
I agree on this totally:(
But wouldn't the ork be the race whom are not douchebags suince they have no real motive behind their fightin at all?
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
I agree on this totally:(
But wouldn't the ork be the race whom are not douchebags suince they have no real motive behind their fightin at all?
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
I agree on this totally:(
But wouldn't the ork be the race whom are not douchebags suince they have no real motive behind their fightin at all?
Wouldn't that be Tyranids?
Both Orks and Tyranids have motives to kill things.
Nids: Hunger for the hunger god!
Orks: "We iz made ter fight an' win!" Orks literally cannot live without fighting. They need it and crave it as much as we do food. WAAAGH!!! time is like an all-you-can-eat buffet, complete with making you bigger at the end.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
I agree on this totally:(
But wouldn't the ork be the race whom are not douchebags suince they have no real motive behind their fightin at all?
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
Not really. There isn't any "real" good in Chaos. Chaos is litterally the adjacent to Biblical hell. It is a terrible place and any followers who fail to please their god to their satisfaction are tortured for all eternity.
Apart from the bit where mass goodness will spawn a warp entity, and that it's possible that the Emprah is a chaos god now.
Chaos is formed from the emotional fears and sins of all sentient beings (which obliterates the alpha legion theory), which I believe makes it relatively evil.
Where does the emprah turning into a chaos god come from?
Various fan theories, and his immense psychic power resonating across the warp. And giving all SoB's a faith save.
It's impossible. However, it is most likely if the emperor dies, the emotional backlashes across the imperium will birth a new chaos god.
I agree on this totally:(
But wouldn't the ork be the race whom are not douchebags suince they have no real motive behind their fightin at all?
Wouldn't that be Tyranids?
Both Orks and Tyranids have motives to kill things.
Nids: Hunger for the hunger god!
Orks: "We iz made ter fight an' win!" Orks literally cannot live without fighting. They need it and crave it as much as we do food. WAAAGH!!! time is like an all-you-can-eat buffet, complete with making you bigger at the end.
Ha, I honestly believe the Tyranids were created by a group of vengeful Old Ones that had survived the war with the necrontyr and the C'tan. I believe the hive mind is actually the powerful psychic essence of the ancient Old Ones (as they hated the warp) and the mindless tyranid creatures now act in sevice of their will.
Far fetched theory perhaps, but I find it interesting
morganfreeman wrote: Would you rather be captured by Orks, or captured by literally anyone else?
By Craftworld Eldar or Tau, thank you.
morganfreeman wrote: Literally every other race will torture you for various reasons with the exceptions of Tyranids - they won't even give you the option to surrender.
Except for the Imperium where most faction will just kill you right away, the tau that will allows you to become part of their empire, the craftworld eldar that will do… something?, the necrons that will likely kill you right away. So, yeah, daemons, Chaos marines and Dark Eldar are likely to torture you and therefore worse than Orks. Big deal.
The Imperium will absolutely torture you, especially if you're a human. Inquisitor gets the wrong vibe from your planet? Gratz, random citizens start disappearing and are tortured beyond belief. World invaded by Xenos, but they're fought off and you survive? Gratz, you're tortured to be 'purified' of xeno taint and then killed. DEMONS show up ANYWHERE on your planet? Congratulations, even if the incursion is fought back you will, at best, be sterilized and forced to work yourself to death in brutal conditions.
The list goes on, the Imperium is a really horrifying place torture wise. If you don't think that they're willing to torture xenos for information either then you're naïve. And that's to mention nothing of simply 'studying' them, a process which is just as bad as torture and just as painful.
Necrons are stated as having tortures after a fashion. There's a specific case where a Cryptek forcefully gave a human Necron implants, and despite her numerous attempts to escape / flee he just teleported her back to the tomb complex eventually each time, chuckling all the while. It may not be the kind of torture the Dark Eldar will put you through, but there's a precident.
Given the much darker implications of the Tau, are we really going to try and say they don't torture? They're heavily hinted at using mind control, racial suppression, sterilization, and many other Orwellian tactics to reach their ends and keep populations in check. I'd be absolutely floored if, at the very least, their "re-education" programs didn't involve torture at least as a punishment.
Eldar I'll give you. They'd probably only torture once in awhile for information and little more than that, though I'd argue this is more than made up for by the sheer horror which being captured by their darker kin would be.
EDIT: I am, again, not saying Orks are nice by any stretch of the imagination; they're most certainly complete donkey-caves and a scourge upon the universe.
My point was simply that they're not that way out of hatred or guile, they're that way out of their nature. Similarly to how animals are driven to eat and reproduce, Orks are driven to fight and kill (.. which in turn feeds them and makes more of them). They do not grasp that this is "wrong", the concept is foreign to them. They're not like the Dark Eldar; fallen to the depths of depravity and simply lying to themselves about why they do what they do, putting others through unimaginable misery for years (if not forever) only to sustain their own miserable existence because they F-ed up long ago.
That's why I feel Tyranids and Orks are the "least douche-baggy", because their morality and ethics are completely different from our own. So while they are definitely horrible monsters, they're that way because they were made that way, not because they chose it (unwittingly or otherwise). I feel like Eldar are the runners up, but Eldar can be complete gits. They're racism and arrogance is borderline laughable, and while 'affection' for the other races is something only Tau can ever be seen as having, Eldar kick it up a notch. Peaceful back-water mining world which never bothered nobody? Yeah, you better pack the entire planetary population into that one shuttle you have. Get it done in 16 hours, everyone left on the surface dies after that.
morganfreeman wrote: The Imperium will absolutely torture you, especially if you're a human.
No. Some subfaction of the Imperium will torture you in some very specific situation. Most will just kill you. They do not have time for torture anyway.
morganfreeman wrote: Necrons are stated as having tortures after a fashion. There's a specific case where a Cryptek forcefully gave a human Necron implants, and despite her numerous attempts to escape / flee he just teleported her back to the tomb complex eventually each time, chuckling all the while. It may not be the kind of torture the Dark Eldar will put you through, but there's a precident.
Oh well. Just imagine what it is being taken as a pet by some warboss. Or worse, some medik.
morganfreeman wrote: Given the much darker implications of the Tau, are we really going to try and say they don't torture?
morganfreeman wrote: The Imperium will absolutely torture you, especially if you're a human.
No. Some subfaction of the Imperium will torture you in some very specific situation. Most will just kill you. They do not have time for torture anyway.
morganfreeman wrote: Necrons are stated as having tortures after a fashion. There's a specific case where a Cryptek forcefully gave a human Necron implants, and despite her numerous attempts to escape / flee he just teleported her back to the tomb complex eventually each time, chuckling all the while. It may not be the kind of torture the Dark Eldar will put you through, but there's a precident.
Oh well. Just imagine what it is being taken as a pet by some warboss. Or worse, some medik.
morganfreeman wrote: Given the much darker implications of the Tau, are we really going to try and say they don't torture?
Not on a regular basis, no.
I'm not going to break the quotes up, it's such a bloody chore on Dakka.
Imperials will torture the hell out of you if you're a human, you're actually better off as a xeno. Even then they'll still torture the hell out of you for research purposes.
Being taken as a pet by an Ork Warboss / painboy: You try to run for your life / escape. You are subsequently shot / mauled, and basically die on the spot. Worst comes to worst you lose a limb or two, don't get proper medical attention, and die later of blood loss or infection. Not a great way to go.. But compared to what nearly every other faction will do to you most days of the week? A true mercy. Let's sit down and be honest here for a second, what fate would you rather meet.. Having an arm ripped off and die a few hours later of blood loss? Or become immortal, destined to spend the rest of your life on a dead world. No one to talk to, nothing to do, nothing to eat, no stimulation to be had. You are stuck there forever.
It's also noteworthy that, again, Orks don't have nearly as solid a grasp on pain or fear of death as the other races do. So you meet this end partially because they don't know any better.
The tau are pretty subversive, that much cannot be argued. Given they're essentially space aliens with the same foreign policy as Red China, torture would be very common place. It wouldn't be openly done or broadcasted much, but sweet jesus would it be practiced. In the end we'll have to agree to disagree on this particular faction, so it's more-or-less a mulligan.
morganfreeman wrote: Imperials will torture the hell out of you if you're a human
No. Most faction do not take prisoners. About every marine chapter will kill you on the spot. About every imperial guard regiment will do the same. Only Inquisitors willing to do an example will do mass torture, and even then it is usually burning at the stake or stuff like that.
morganfreeman wrote: Being taken as a pet by an Ork Warboss / painboy: You try to run for your life / escape. You are subsequently shot / mauled, and basically die on the spot.
You try to run for your life. You stop when you arrive at the end of the leash .
Ciciro wrote: And since when are the Tau known for their directness?
They are not know for being devious manipulators, unlike craftworld eldars and tzeentch followers. Also, the codicies are usually written in omniscient narrator style.
Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
The Tau would never do anything of the like, nor would the Eldar. At worst they would just kill you quickly.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
The Tau would never do anything of the like, nor would the Eldar. At worst they would just kill you quickly.
Agree, though most orks don't take too many prisoners due to their addiction to fightin.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
The Tau would never do anything of the like, nor would the Eldar. At worst they would just kill you quickly.
Agree, though most orks don't take too many prisoners due to their addiction to fightin.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
The Tau would never do anything of the like, nor would the Eldar. At worst they would just kill you quickly.
Agree, though most orks don't take too many prisoners due to their addiction to fightin.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
Well it's only fair, humans live off from plant life either directly from plants, or by eating animals that eat the plants.
It's time the plants got even
It is nice, it's beautiful, it's the circle of life.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
Well it's only fair, humans live off from plant life either directly from plants, or by eating animals that eat the plants.
It's time the plants got even
It is nice, it's beautiful, it's the circle of life.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
The Tau would never do anything of the like, nor would the Eldar. At worst they would just kill you quickly.
It is, again, important to note that every other race (sans regular Eldar and Tau) do the exact same crap to everyone else and themselves. Orks are not unique - Orks just offer you a MUCH higher chance of dying, and doing so very soon. Again, would you rather die in agony on the Mad Dok's table? Or would you rather be sewn into the wall of a Haemonculi Coven, to spend years with people walking on your nerve bundles and have your mouth used as a fleshy lantern to illuminate the dark passageway.
I personally don't want either fate, but you can bet your life I'd rather be brutally cut to bits by a Dok over the period of maybe a few hours, rather than spend years in miserable pain.
Also, if you don't think the Tau do "research" you're kidding yourself. Live specimens are invaluable for weapons testing and understanding one's enemies, not to mention interrogation. The Tau may not be sadists, but they are massive expansionists. They doubtlessly capture enemies to study in various ways, and I'm better several are not very pleasent...
@ Hybrid: The Guard will gladly ship your ass off to miserable (and sterilized) forced labor, no questions asked. All of the religious nuts are, frankly, what I was referring to more than the inquisition. While an inquisitor getting his hands on you would be horrifying in the extreme, it's relatively unlikely when compared to simply being branded something akin to a heretic / disbelief, and subsequently "purified" by the local group of zealots.. Heck, even the Adeptus Mechanus (sp, I don't know all the faux latin names by memory =/) will perform extremely invasive surgery and hard-wire people into crap on a whim.
Ashiraya wrote: Those who think being captured by Orks would be nice, even compared to Tau or Eldar, need to read Rynn's World.
Yes, I am sure the Orks eating your friends and family and then eating you would be nice, or it would be nice to be caged and then forced to watch as the other prisoners are led into the Dok's room one by one where he conducts various horrible experiments, waiting for your turn. The Dok may lack the skill of the a Dark Eldar but that does not make the situation pleasant.
Well it's only fair, humans live off from plant life either directly from plants, or by eating animals that eat the plants.
It's time the plants got even
It is nice, it's beautiful, it's the circle of life.
morganfreeman wrote: @ Hybrid: The Guard will gladly ship your ass off to miserable (and sterilized) forced labor, no questions asked.
They will never do that by themselves, only under orders usually from an Inquisitor. And then again, never without very specific circumstances.
And even then, the forced labor that ork would have you do involves more bullying.
morganfreeman wrote: All of the religious nuts are, frankly, what I was referring to more than the inquisition.
Do you mean arcoflagellation?
Again, only on very specific occasions. The orks will do that every time they can.
None of the factions are "nice". Even the Ultramarines, ruling a large realm of developed worlds, are probably using secret police to make sure everyone is happy for living in Ultramar. Give praise to Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge, or face imprisonment and worse.
Heck, the only Marines known to be nice to their recruiting world is the Salamanders - they keep up relations with their extended family, even acting as elders and protectors of their village.
Jokaero are pretty nice. Not much for conversation, but otherwise pretty chill. Hang out with them, eat some fruit, let them pick lice out of your hair. Maybe they'll give you a space-toaster... or maybe a digi-melta.
The tau are pricks, eldar are easily the least Douche(y).
As much as a new race would be cool, I think they have enough problems keeping us all interested in and purchasing the ones they have out at the minute
Knockagh wrote: The tau are pricks, eldar are easily the least Douche(y).
As much as a new race would be cool, I think they have enough problems keeping us all interested in and purchasing the ones they have out at the minute
I think you would change your mind very quickly if you ever met Eldrad.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose
Pretty sure even the fluff explicitly states that total corruption is the only end possible for Chaos even if you started out with good intentions.
Well, here's a quote that's similar to that effect from FFG's Black Crusade RPG:
"The intoxicating lure of Chaos leads untold millions down the path of corruption, and the noblest of intentions offers little protection against its dark influence. A soldier’s bloodlust, a politician's ambition, a lover’s desire, and even a mother’s whispered prayer over her feverish child – they are all the playthings of the Dark Gods. Why resist? Wealth, power, and happiness await those who serve the Ruinous Powers, and the only price is your humanity."
Indeed. Nothing good ever comes from the worship of Chaos. The Ruinous Powers are demanding gods, and they expect total obedience from their followers (and have several interesting, and nasty, ways of ensuring it).
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose
I'm not sure how you managed to address something in my post in what I had previously quoted... And which point are you referring to?
The point I'm trying to make is that what makes the forces of chaos so potent is that they do contain features that compliment our sense of morality. If Khorne was all about bleeding everyone until they dried up like a prune, he's only get hemophiliacs. Khorne's martial honour is something that warriors can relate to, especially the Space Marines, and to some of them, it makes them begin to accept the power of Khorne, even if unknowingly. The terror of chaos is not that it is evil, but that anything you hold dear can drag you into it. Hardly a denial of maliciousness or evil.
And it's unnecessary to end any statement in a debate with "you lose".
There are very good people within each faction, and there are monsters. Really the only faction that can't currently be considered to have actively evil elements would be the tyranids, assuming the hivemind only functions on eating.
That being said, great forms of kindness have been shown by all races. Except, probably, the slaaneshi. I mean, sure, some people are happy there, but they lack the semi-honor of khorne, the semi-respect of Tzeentch, and the deep love of nugle.
Orsai wrote: Their guns are powerful but not what an Ork would like. There's power but no POWEEEEEEEEEEER. I don't think my post makes much sense as I don't really know the words to explain, but I feel that the Tau are out of place.
There are very good people within each faction, and there are monsters. Really the only faction that can't currently be considered to have actively evil elements would be the tyranids, assuming the hivemind only functions on eating.
That being said, great forms of kindness have been shown by all races. Except, probably, the slaaneshi. I mean, sure, some people are happy there, but they lack the semi-honor of khorne, the semi-respect of Tzeentch, and the deep love of nugle.
jakejackjake wrote: Will people stop saying Chaos isn't wholly evil in 40k. It is. The only "good" in Chaos or that they take part in is to entice people to corruption. That's it. They are utterly and completely evil through and through. That is why they use the word "malign" to describe them over and over and over.
And GK are the very bestest of the best Level 9001 paladins of goodness!
Nothing is 100%. Some powers of chaos are used for good, or are explicitly good, or have good facets to them. Khorne isn't pure bloodlust, he also embodies martial honor. Nurgle isn't just death and disease, he is also life and family and companionship. Slaanesh, while horribly debased, is the embodiement of the pursuit of happiness, which is a constitutional right in the US.
But Tzeentch is a cheating bastard.
No you're actually totally wrong and the only actual point you made I had already addressed in the quoted statement. The whole "martial honor" is just what gets people started on the red path. If it ALWAYS, and it ALWAYS, leads to total corruption and yelling "blood for the blood god" then I'd say it's evil from the first moment it seeps in to your mind. Kthankbai you lose
It's just a game jake. You don't have to take a side.
We're spectators, observers of the galaxy in the 41st Millennium.
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Random Dude wrote: That's what I like to call the Tau! I find the Tau to be the easiest race to support due to the fact that they aren't racists on steroids *cough Imperium cough*. If GW were to create a new race, would you prefer a xenos hating one or a xenos accepting one?
Regardless of whether the Tau or douche bags or not, liking them for being the nicest kinda defeats the setting of 40k. 40k is supposed to be as grim dark as possible. Though sometimes it becomes too ridiculous.
Chaos and Dark Eldar --- They know and admit they are evil incarnate.
Tau ? What's the Greater Good for corpses ? Whats the Greater Good for an ugly , impoverished kid in a wheelchair whose here-and-now life is never going to get better ? A few people live slightly better lives for a brief time ; and then , ultimately , no one to even remember that.
" A man who lies merely elects not to tell the truth. But the man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put the truth. "
A Tau - thinker is a Chaos-thinker lying to himself.
Psienesis wrote: One does not need malice to be jerky. Actions make a person a jerk, not malice or intent.
It depends on the view of morality for both parties.
Say, for example, you met a cat.
As per a meeting of humans, the first thing you do is look at the cat's eyes. From you perspective, you are making a friendly greeting.
The cat, however, disagrees. When cats look into eachother's eyes, it means that they are preparing to fight/kill eachother. And thus the cat believes that you have made a life-threatening situation for it.
The cat then responds by trying to claw your face off.
You get away from the cat, believing that you are the victim, and that the cat is a jerk.
The cat believes you are the jerk.
Psienesis wrote: One does not need malice to be jerky. Actions make a person a jerk, not malice or intent.
It depends on the view of morality for both parties.
Say, for example, you met a cat.
As per a meeting of humans, the first thing you do is look at the cat's eyes. From you perspective, you are making a friendly greeting.
The cat, however, disagrees. When cats look into eachother's eyes, it means that they are preparing to fight/kill eachother. And thus the cat believes that you have made a life-threatening situation for it.
The cat then responds by trying to claw your face off.
You get away from the cat, believing that you are the victim, and that the cat is a jerk.
The cat believes you are the jerk.
Were you being a jerk?
No, because cats are inherently evil. The cat is just using the eye look as a convenient excuse to act on it's malevolent nature.
I have to protest. Tau are awesome, but Tyranids eat everyone equally, daemons love every bodies pain equally, Necrons kill everyone equally, and the imperium hates all xenos equally.
I was gonna say jokero but then I remember they have a rule where they make a weapon look pretty instead of good. Which is kinda douchbaggy.
So Vespid. As they are always nice from what I have read. (I.E next to nothing)
Jokaero are the only species in the galaxy producing digital weapons. That's, like, a meltagun that fits on your finger.
They're also animal-level intelligent, like an orangutan. How they do what they do is a mystery.
Jokaero are probably a nod to Niven and Pournelle's novel A Mote in God's Eye, in which you have animals that have evolved to use machines.
EDIT: The Tau, in any of the fashions in which they have been presented, are positively angelic by 40K standards, in which the principal "good guy"
faction is heavily modeled after the Nazis. Forced sterilization and mind control are trivial in 40K.
Oh and I forgot to mention it before, Orks are the only race that Recycles
Actually no.... the Imperium has a truly massive recycling system in place. wrecked tanks, pieces of debris, even people are recycled so... Orks are not the only ones.
But I think we have established that every single race are "bad" for their own reasons. Tau, Eldar, Orks, and so on are all unpleasant.
IOM : Backbreaking work in a factorium will most certainly die in an Industrial accident or cannon fodder in the Astra Militarium.
under Dark eldar
Enslaved a plaything to the whims of cruel overlords.
Under Orks
enslaved or eaten
Tyranid
Eaten
Unde the Tau
A semblance of a normal life
Anyone of you living in the 40K universe would choose living under the Tau over the other options every time and you know it.
I choose an Ork life. You love everything Orky, you don't feel much pain, you have a blast, even when getting krumped by the bigger Orks, and you're too stupid to know any better.
NONE. THEY ARE ALL fething DEGENERATE DOUCHEBAGS who live only to kill, and thats what I like about the WH40K's "fictional" depiction of the milky way galaxy.....
NONE. THEY ARE ALL fething DEGENERATE DOUCHEBAGS who live only to kill, and thats what I like about the WH40K's "fictional" depiction of the milky way galaxy.....
Tau as in the Ethereals are basiclly douche bags who manipulate the rest of the Tau race into serving and dieing for the Ethereal caste's benefit. The races the Tau adopt into the empire seem to serve more as disposable troops to protect the more important Tau which protect the more important Ethereals.
The Orks and Nids aren't douche bags as the Orks just want to fight (they don't really understand why other races don't like to fight as much as they do) and the Nids just want to nom everything (nids gotta eat).
The Orks and Nids aren't douche bags as the Orks just want to fight (they don't really understand why other races don't like to fight as much as they do) and the Nids just want to nom everything (nids gotta eat).
Again, Orks are incredibly racist. They have a ton of quotes about how inferior other species are to them and they enslave other races all the time in the fluff. They're intolerant of orks worshipping other gods, too, which is one of the reasons why Chaos has a hard time taking a hold on them (any Ork screaming blood for the blood god instead of Mork and Gork gets slaughtered by other orks pretty fast)
Or they get killed by Gorkers for being a Morker, or vice versa.
Really, Orks are one of the nastiest races, right up there with Humans and Dark Eldar. Everyone just likes to think of their comedic aspect and not their horrifyingly brutal aspect. They are just as brutal as Tyranids when it comes to violence.
AegisGrimm wrote: Or they get killed by Gorkers for being a Morker, or vice versa.
Really, Orks are one of the nastiest races, right up there with Humans and Dark Eldar. Everyone just likes to think of their comedic aspect and not their horrifyingly brutal aspect. They are just as brutal as Tyranids when it comes to violence.
... No one is saying the Orks are nice. They're horrifyingly violent, just like the rest of 40k.
They're just simple minded and don't know any better. They don't understand the other races refusal / lack of urge to fight. Despite that they still love them - love to fight them all the live-long day.
So far as Chaos goes? That's a two-fold problem. Personally, I think that Chaos never takes much root in Orcs for a few simple reasons, which are backed up by the fluff. First and foremost, Chaos is all about manipulating those who worship it and inevitably fething them over - however Orks are below (above?) manipulation. A demon which enters a Pysker ork's mind to wreak havoc on the mortal world is trapped there and unable to enact any plots; the Ork is just too simple to manipulate.
Secondly, Chaos is all about offering you gak. Problem is that Gork and Mork offer everything that Chaos does but with none of the drawbacks. You want huge amounts of excess? Gork and Mork have got you covered, and unlike a Slaanesh follower the simple stuff will never lose its luster. Got high dreams of being the big boss / building a mek-mob? Again, Gork and Mork have got you covered, and they won't bone you in the many ways Tzeetch(sp) will in doing so. Why bother with Khorne and his love for slaughter when Gork and Mork love it just as much, but you won't lose your mind in the process? Worshipping nurgle? Orkses don't fear death and feel very little pain - and what kind of a git would let all that feth grow on and in his body to fix problems he doesn't have?
morganfreeman wrote: Secondly, Chaos is all about offering you gak. Problem is that Gork and Mork offer everything that Chaos does but with none of the drawbacks. You want huge amounts of excess? Gork and Mork have got you covered, and unlike a Slaanesh follower the simple stuff will never lose its luster. Got high dreams of being the big boss / building a mek-mob? Again, Gork and Mork have got you covered, and they won't bone you in the many ways Tzeetch(sp) will in doing so. Why bother with Khorne and his love for slaughter when Gork and Mork love it just as much, but you won't lose your mind in the process? Worshipping nurgle? Orkses don't fear death and feel very little pain - and what kind of a git would let all that feth grow on and in his body to fix problems he doesn't have?
This is a really good summary of why so few Orks fall to Chaos. Good job
Everyone is douchey. In the Horus Heresy they came across decent societies who were human or sub-human, but they got either killed off or assimilated into the douchsophere. Being a douche is how you survive in the grim darkness of the future (let's hope not).
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