Arks are slow Warrior carriers with special rules boosting Warriors.
Everything else will need Scythe for fast movement so that argument is invalid


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And I agree - we need Wraiths, badly. Wraithwing + DestroLord FTW!

I agree herr, but i'm trying to reason with GW's way of thinking.

IHateNids wrote:I agree herr, but i'm trying to reason with GW's way of thinking.

Well, there's your problem... GW and reason go together like a polar bear wearing a tutu.

that's a good point...

Ah, gotta love Wraithwing, I recently ran one unit with a D lord and another with a C'tan w/ Time's Arrow and they kicked ass.

So, totally off topic but has anyone else noticed that GW hasn't updated the "planetstrike" section where the "attackers" and "defenders" are listed, they still have some of the old necron models listed there with the old stats and such.

Sorry, I just noticed it and wanted to point it out but not make a thread about it. Heh.

Good point

How many of the new releases for the crons do you think will be in finecast? I've had a bunch of trouble with finecast looking really shoddy and the prospect of more shoddy models scares me a tad. For example I bought a cryptek a couple of days ago took it home and primed it after removing all of the odd bits of chaff and the model has a textured quality to it instead of nice and smooth like a plastic kit. So I was just wondering if anyone has heard anything about this.

Well, units we have left:
Tomb blades
Spyders
Wraiths
Triarch Stalker
Night Scythe/Doom Scythe
Potential Destroyer redux
Potential Warrior redux
Potential Monolith redux

Let's limit this discussion to things that we KNOW are coming, and so I'll leave off the redux kits.
Well, they haven't done any vehicle kits in Finecast. It's not that they can't, it's just that they haven't. So that effectively eliminates Stalkers, and Scythes.
I'd say that there is an outside chance that Spyders, Wraiths, or Tomb Blades will be made out of Finecast. Outside, I say because they are going to be multi-part kits with lots of options, and we haven't seen anything like that in Finecast yet.

I think that Finecast will be limited to our Flayed Ones and IC's. It wouldn't surprise me to see Finecast crypteks show up over the next few years.

Anpu-adom wrote:I think that Finecast will be limited to our Flayed Ones and IC's. It wouldn't surprise me to see Finecast crypteks show up over the next few years.

The future is now!.

I'm guessing you meant a different unit.

I'm pretty sure he meant makes for the different harbringers, the current model is armed with a Staff of light

That would make sense.

I personally think that finecast is the biggest fail since the old necron codex. But I also think that the 5 ICs (Anrakyr the traveller, Illuminor Szeras, Orikan the diviner, Nemesor Zahndrekh and Vargard Obyron) will be finecast releases. The rest should be plastic.

The possibility of different finecasted harbingers is ok, but considering i converted my own and my entire FLGS says they look better than GW's bearded freaks, I won't buy any.

EDIT: spelling

IHateNids wrote:i converted my own and my entire FLGS says they look better than GW's bearded freaks

Pics?

I'll sort something out, but they are just undercoated. I can't paint very well :(

So an interesting thought from the former GW employee discussion. Kits are priced on a combination of how well they will sell and how the community views the model.
For example, warriors cost $2 more than immortals because of the scarabs and the perceived 'value' 12 warriors.

A combined spyder/wraith kit will sell very well for a Xenos kit. Almost every necron player will want 12. (So roughly 2% of the GW customers will buy 4 boxes) But it isn't a space marine kit either.
The community would place a high value on a wraiths, because they are believed to be one of the best units in the codex.

We can expect a high cost.

I'd just guess the wraiths would be 3 to a box for $45 or so since that's the price point for "3 larger infantry-ish models" like Fantasy's been getting lately.

I can deal with 3 for $45.

It's better than the 3 for $60 when they were metal.

In british pounds that's, what, about 3 for £30?

I can live with that.

What do you think about the Night Scythe/Doom Scythe?

I see Necon players buying 3-5 kits a piece.
That would mean that Necron players will buy them at the same rate that Space Marines would buy Rhino/Razorback kits.

Would that place them at the $35 price point? Or do you think they would go higher? In the art, they seem much larger than a Rhino (which doesn't bode well.)

That question is answered by another: Is the Rhino/Razorback a combi-kit? If it is, then yes the Scythe(s) will be a combi as well. If not, then no. Lets face it, as far as kits go, if GW haven't given it to SM, then no other army will get a similar kit.

I'm still amazed that nids have a triple kit (granted trygon-trygonprime is next to difference at all)

You can buy a Razorback kit, and it includes all the pieces to make a Rhino (for $2 more). There's no question that the Scythe's are a combo kit...

I'm wondering what you all think the cost will be?
$35
$40
$50

Brother SRM wrote:I'd just guess the wraiths would be 3 to a box for $45 or so since that's the price point for "3 larger infantry-ish models" like Fantasy's been getting lately.

I have a strong feeling wraiths will be single model boxes like destroyers, so don't get your hopes up for a multi model box.

Anpu-adom wrote:You can buy a Razorback kit, and it includes all the pieces to make a Rhino (for $2 more). There's no question that the Scythe's are a combo kit...

I'm wondering what you all think the cost will be?
$35
$40
$50

I'd say whatever £20 equates to. $35, about?

Anpu-adom wrote:You can buy a Razorback kit, and it includes all the pieces to make a Rhino (for $2 more). There's no question that the Scythe's are a combo kit...

I'm wondering what you all think the cost will be?
$35
$40
$50

Scythes will most likely cost the same as the CCB. 35USD. And actually will probably be similar to the CCB in that it will be a dual kit but you can freely switch the bottom part from the gun for the Doom Scythe to the portal for the Night Scythe. Just like you can do with the CCB/AnnBarge.

Also, warriors don't cost more than immortals, I don't think. I'm pretty sure that both those boxes are 33USD. In fact, I think all the unit boxes right now are 33 except for the failed [flayed] ones.

lol (failed ones) but painfully true.

Immortals do techniquely equate to more than warriors bacause both kits are £20.50 ($33). Warriors you get 12 + 4 scarab swarms (who dosen't like those? ) Immortals you get five, but it is a Deathmark/Immortal combi.

I'm thinking that Night and Doom Scythes are more likely to be somewhere on the DE Razorwing to Ghost Ark scale. I think $33 to $35 dollars is substantially lower that what it will wind up being. I'm expecting it to be more in the $40-$50 range. I'll just be glad if it's not in the Storm Raven/Valkyrie range of $66.

IHateNids wrote:lol (failed ones) but painfully true.

Immortals do techniquely equate to more than warriors bacause both kits are £20.50 ($33). Warriors you get 12 + 4 scarab swarms (who dosen't like those? ) Immortals you get five, but it is a Deathmark/Immortal combi.

Oh, ya if you think of it that way I suppose you're right.


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Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm thinking that Night and Doom Scythes are more likely to be somewhere on the DE Razorwing to Ghost Ark scale. I think $33 to $35 dollars is substantially lower that what it will wind up being. I'm expecting it to be more in the $40-$50 range. I'll just be glad if it's not in the Storm Raven/Valkyrie range of $66.

I highly doubt they will, that is reserved for the monolith. At most I'd expect them to be 45 but only if it's a dual kit that can used as either/or and NOT like the ghost/doomsday ark kit where it is only one or the other.

MSRP for warriors is $35 US, and Immortals, Praetorians, and the CCBarge/Annibarge is $33 US.

I hope you guys are right in Scythes being rhino prices.

It should be if the self-proclaimed roumor guy at my FLGS is anything to go by.

But then again, he thought the Vampire Counts were october 2011

Anpu-adom wrote:

Tomb blades
Spyders
Wraiths
Triarch Stalker
Night Scythe/Doom Scythe

March/April 2012

How many tomb blades do y'all think will come in a box? Will it be 3 or just 1 like destroyers?
and please let it be early March! I don't want to wait another month for my shiny skeletons of doom.

Hammer18 wrote:How many tomb blades do y'all think will come in a box? Will it be 3 or just 1 like destroyers?
and please let it be early March! I don't want to wait another month for my shiny skeletons of doom.

Late March (last week) & first week of April.....

Hammer18 wrote:How many tomb blades do y'all think will come in a box? Will it be 3 or just 1 like destroyers?
and please let it be early March! I don't want to wait another month for my shiny skeletons of doom.

Ugh, I'm hoping 3. It may be a single box, I sure hope not though.

@krazynad: darn. oh well. t least illl have before the summer
@sasori: yes single boxes are almost taunting.

Kevin949 wrote:
I have a strong feeling wraiths will be single model boxes like destroyers, so don't get your hopes up for a multi model box.

What large infantry models have they released one to a box of recently? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Destroyers are old figures from another era.

IHateNids wrote:That question is answered by another: Is the Rhino/Razorback a combi-kit? If it is, then yes the Scythe(s) will be a combi as well. If not, then no. Lets face it, as far as kits go, if GW haven't given it to SM, then no other army will get a similar kit.

I'm still amazed that nids have a triple kit (granted trygon-trygonprime is next to difference at all)

Combokits are the norm these days. I don't understand how you can say "Well Space Marines don't have combobkits so Necrons won't!" when literally every plastic kit that came out with the new Necrons release was a kit with options for two or more different units.

I bet somehow GW makes Tomb Blades and Stalkers a combo-kit, I'd be pissed but VERY impressed....

Exalted Pariah wrote:I bet somehow GW makes Tomb Blades and Stalkers a combo-kit, I'd be pissed but VERY impressed....

No. Just no.

I'd love to see Tomb Blades as small Jets, 5 per box - kinda like Dark Eldar Hellions.

Most likely we will get them 3 per box like Reavers. In that case, it would be awesome to ALSO have them as 1-per-box option like SM/CSM/Eldar Bikes...
Too bad Lords / Cryptec can't ride Tomb Blades

Hope all those new Spyder / Wraith / Blade kits will have all gear options for WYSIWYG...

Exalted Pariah wrote:I bet somehow GW makes Tomb Blades and Stalkers a combo-kit, I'd be pissed but VERY impressed....

I would be pissed as well... That would be even more money I would have to give GW. I want at least two full units of Tomb Blades and three Stalkers, not to mention three full units of Wraiths.

Honestly, if they did that, I would have to really think about how much 40k means to me. Since I turned 21, I'm now at the age where I can buy cooler things (handguns/rifles, along with concealed carry/Class 3 licenses), that, while far more expensive have a wider range of uses, and to be honest, are easier to get into. I mean, find a few hours on a saturday morning and take a few friends shotgunning (Skeet/trap/5 stand/whatever). Then attempt to tell me that you didn't enjoy it immensely. It's damn near impossible.

I really do enjoy 40k, but not enough to dump the majority of my paychecks into their money hole. I'm saving around $300 for this second wave, and after that, the next 40k thing I buy will be Tau related.

I could care less how they release Tomb Blades because I will probably never run them. The three best units in the Necron Codex compete for the 3 Fast Attack slots and Blades aren't even in the same ball park as good as any of those.

Brother SRM wrote:Combokits are the norm these days. I don't understand how you can say "Well Space Marines don't have combobkits so Necrons won't!" when literally every plastic kit that came out with the new Necrons release was a kit with options for two or more different units.

Although GW have released all the new cron stuff as combis, I just couldn't see them doing for a Xenos army what hasn't been done for SM

@Hammer My hope is three.

If you go flat out for a 3+ cover save the stealth-generator upgrade means a 2+ cover save. Do that in front of some tau fire warriors (twin linked hitting on two's with another upgrade) youll kill a fair few

NecronLord3 wrote:I could care less how they release Tomb Blades because I will probably never run them. The three best units in the Necron Codex compete for the 3 Fast Attack slots and Blades aren't even in the same ball park as good as any of those.

In full-scale games, yes - Tomb Blades are a waste of slot. But in smaller games, and especially when fighting hordes they are much more useful than Destroyers...

In almost all games against blob-squad IG (<1000pt games) - Scarabs and Destroyers were doing poorly. Especially Destroyers who could be only treated as "wound soak" for Heavy destroyer opening Hydras. But seriously - at that cost I prefer one Stalker with Twin-link Heavy Gauss Cannon.

Against such setup Tomb Blades with Beamers turned out to be very effective. Gunning down hordes and being cheap at same time.
Not to mention mobility. Turbo boost is a powerful tool. Especially with Shadowloom upgrade.

Herr Dexter wrote:Against such setup Tomb Blades with Beamers turned out to be very effective. Gunning down hordes and being cheap at same time.
Not to mention mobility. Turbo boost is a powerful tool. Especially with Shadowloom upgrade.

Thats what I just said. Great minds think alike

And apparently even type posts at same time

I personally prefer tombbldes, dunno why

tomb blades have what old dex destroyers where missing: options. the old dex was 3 destroyers fining 3 S6 ap3 shots a turn. that's it. Tomb Blades are altogether better. upgrades for stealth (2+ cover save after turbo boost) BS5, and twin linked weapons. if equiped with Guass Blasters and the BS5 thing (can't remember it's name) they'll make mincemeat of a guardsmen blob squad. with the Shield Vanes 3+ save they'll survive the return fire.

Unless the guard are in front of a Leman Russ that is

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The Necrons are one of the most ancient races in the galaxy and fought in countless wars before humanity even existed. Yet their fate was sealed when they allied with the C'tan, an ancient race of godlike beings that stripped them of their mortal bodies, leaving them with immortal, but utterly soulless metal bodies. After millions of years asleep, these mighty warriors have now returned to the galaxy and found it in turmoil, their years of hard work destroyed or corrupted by lesser beings. They have only one mission: to re-establish the Necron Dynasties. All those who stand in their way will be destroyed.

The Necron Battleforce contains four plastic units to start the core of your army - Necron Warriors, Immortals, Canoptek Scarabs and a Ghost Ark - which you can lead into battle against the upstart races of the galaxy. It is also a fantastic way to boost the size of an existing Necron army, by giving you more squads to choose from or, alternatively, making your existing units larger.

This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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Brother SRM wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:
I have a strong feeling wraiths will be single model boxes like destroyers, so don't get your hopes up for a multi model box.

What large infantry models have they released one to a box of recently? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Destroyers are old figures from another era.

IHateNids wrote:That question is answered by another: Is the Rhino/Razorback a combi-kit? If it is, then yes the Scythe(s) will be a combi as well. If not, then no. Lets face it, as far as kits go, if GW haven't given it to SM, then no other army will get a similar kit.

I'm still amazed that nids have a triple kit (granted trygon-trygonprime is next to difference at all)

Combokits are the norm these days. I don't understand how you can say "Well Space Marines don't have combobkits so Necrons won't!" when literally every plastic kit that came out with the new Necrons release was a kit with options for two or more different units.

What large infantry models are left to release for the necrons? None. You can say destroyers are from another era all you want, but they didn't and aren't changing the model which means they will be one to a box. "Maybe" they'll get rid of the regular destroyer box and only sell the heavy as a dual kit (hopefully all plastic at some point) but that's probably the only change you'll see there. If you want to talk about models from another era, bring up Immortals/Pariahs. Heck, even old flayed ones were only 2 to a blister. Anyway...

Since they're 5 to a squad and sold single, why would you presume that wraiths/spyders (probably dual kit) or tomb blades would be any different since their squad size is so similar? Also, when was 5/6 members of a unit a "large unit"?

IHateNids wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Combokits are the norm these days. I don't understand how you can say "Well Space Marines don't have combobkits so Necrons won't!" when literally every plastic kit that came out with the new Necrons release was a kit with options for two or more different units.

Although GW have released all the new cron stuff as combis, I just couldn't see them doing for a Xenos army what hasn't been done for SM

"Even though GW did X, I can't see them doing X."
You confound me.

Kevin949 wrote:[
What large infantry models are left to release for the necrons? None. You can say destroyers are from another era all you want, but they didn't and aren't changing the model which means they will be one to a box. "Maybe" they'll get rid of the regular destroyer box and only sell the heavy as a dual kit (hopefully all plastic at some point) but that's probably the only change you'll see there. If you want to talk about models from another era, bring up Immortals/Pariahs. Heck, even old flayed ones were only 2 to a blister. Anyway...

Since they're 5 to a squad and sold single, why would you presume that wraiths/spyders (probably dual kit) or tomb blades would be any different since their squad size is so similar? Also, when was 5/6 members of a unit a "large unit"?

I never said Destroyers would get rereleases. I was merely stating that one plastic model to a box isn't seen very often these days outside of the Fantasy character blisters. I was using the large infantry kits from Fantasy lately as an example for how Wraiths may be handled, as they are of similar size. Cases in point:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat570034a&prodId=prod1190056a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod460008a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720005a&prodId=prod1460006a

As for Tomb Blades, well every single bike kit released in the past 5 years has been a 3 pack. One can only assume that they are of similar size and content.

IHateNids wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Combokits are the norm these days. I don't understand how you can say "Well Space Marines don't have combobkits so Necrons won't!" when literally every plastic kit that came out with the new Necrons release was a kit with options for two or more different units.

Although GW have released all the new cron stuff as combis, I just couldn't see them doing for a Xenos army what hasn't been done for SM

Why would it have been done for SM?

The SM kits are old. They were done before the trend of combokits started up in full.

The Tau have two kits which could be rolled together. Hell, they could just drop the Hammerhead box at this point and only sell the Skyray as a Skyray/Hammerhead tank kit since the Skyray includes all the bits to build the Hammerhead. They were released--again--before the trend of combokits began.

With how they've been doing it for years now, it's pretty easy to think that it will be combokits.

Battleforce now on the GW website

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@Brother SRM. I wasn't sying they did X so they won't do X. I was meerly making a statement. We all know GW rape SM because "SM are the poster boys", so I said that if a Combo Kit for two things that look identicle with one difference (Rhino-Razorback) didn't happen for SM, it seemed unlikely that it would happen for anyone else, esp Xenos.

As for them being old, I've only played 40k for about 18 months, and the only release that I can remember is the Crons.

Well, to put it lightly then:

The last time Codex: Space Marines was updated was before the whole combo kit trend started up. At that time, the Rhino was used by Codex: Daemonhunters and Witchhunters. Both of those Codices had options for Rhinos but not Razorbacks for generic Inquisitors or Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

Plus, if they were going to combokit the Razorback with anything, it'd likely be the Predator.

IHateNids wrote:@Brother SRM. I wasn't sying they did X so they won't do X. I was meerly making a statement. We all know GW rape SM because "SM are the poster boys", so I said that if a Combo Kit for two things that look identicle with one difference (Rhino-Razorback) didn't happen for SM, it seemed unlikely that it would happen for anyone else, esp Xenos.

As for them being old, I've only played 40k for about 18 months, and the only release that I can remember is the Crons.

I don't think "rape" is the word you're looking for. Most Marine kits were released in 4th edition, going back as far as 2004. As Kanluwen said, the combo kits are a far more recent development and they haven't gone back and redone old Marine kits for the sake of it.

I know, but I was just saying if SM don't have it no other race is stone-set to get it.

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This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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That's a pretty nice set actually. Pity I already have 36 warriors though. 56 will be overdoing it.

Awesome to see the Battleforce finally up!

IHateNids wrote:I know, but I was just saying if SM don't have it no other race is stone-set to get it.

Please reread what Brother SRM and I have said.

The reason that SM "don't have it" is because the SM boxes are old. GW doesn't repackage boxes on a whim--nor do they recut sprues for such a whim either.

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This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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That's a pretty nice set actually. Pity I already have 36 warriors though. 56 will be overdoing it.

LoL I have like 70+ warriors. I'm getting the box though because the warrior bits can be used to make the deathmarks as well with a bit of cutting (not much at all, two snips and that's it) and you can use the remaining warriors on any other multikit to make both parts. So, you can make 5 lychguard and 5 praets with the multibox and 5 warrior parts. Or 5 immortals and 5 deathmarks with the kit and 5 warriors. The battleforce box is more than worth it in that respect. I'm not even going to put the warriors together, they're going to be fodder for 4 multikits.

I'm excited about the conversion potential in the battle force. Even though I have 24 warriors, I'll be buying at least 1 battle force and using warrior torso and legs to make more immortals and deathmarks. (If I like how the test models go.)

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This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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That's a pretty nice set actually. Pity I already have 36 warriors though. 56 will be overdoing it.

LoL I have like 70+ warriors. I'm getting the box though because the warrior bits can be used to make the deathmarks as well with a bit of cutting (not much at all, two snips and that's it) and you can use the remaining warriors on any other multikit to make both parts. So, you can make 5 lychguard and 5 praets with the multibox and 5 warrior parts. Or 5 immortals and 5 deathmarks with the kit and 5 warriors. The battleforce box is more than worth it in that respect. I'm not even going to put the warriors together, they're going to be fodder for 4 multikits.

That's a good idea! Do the immortal torso fit on warrior legs?
If so then the battleforce effectively gives you

1 ghost ark
5 deathmarks
5 immortals with tesla
5 immortals with gauss
10 warriors

don't forget the scarabs! I gotta try that... diddling GW.
@Kanluwen. I get where you are coming from now, I didn't before.

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm excited about the conversion potential in the battle force. Even though I have 24 warriors, I'll be buying at least 1 battle force and using warrior torso and legs to make more immortals and deathmarks. (If I like how the test models go.)

Just a heads up, all you have to do is snip off the tab on the front torso of the warrior and make sure that part is flat. Then, I think it's the left arm, you just snip off the part right at the wrist so it is flat. Then just line it all up and glue it. The torso part is not an EXACT fit, the socket for the arms are not the same size, so be cautious when gluing that part on that you have an even match up on both sides. You honestly won't be able to tell once it's all together unless you're looking really closely. Also, the heads won't fit exactly right but if you angle the torso down just slightly then they'll be looking straight instead of up. Or just angle the heads to the side. It's really simple. Have fun!


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This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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That's a pretty nice set actually. Pity I already have 36 warriors though. 56 will be overdoing it.

LoL I have like 70+ warriors. I'm getting the box though because the warrior bits can be used to make the deathmarks as well with a bit of cutting (not much at all, two snips and that's it) and you can use the remaining warriors on any other multikit to make both parts. So, you can make 5 lychguard and 5 praets with the multibox and 5 warrior parts. Or 5 immortals and 5 deathmarks with the kit and 5 warriors. The battleforce box is more than worth it in that respect. I'm not even going to put the warriors together, they're going to be fodder for 4 multikits.

That's a good idea! Do the immortal torso fit on warrior legs?
If so then the battleforce effectively gives you

1 ghost ark
5 deathmarks
5 immortals with tesla
5 immortals with gauss
10 warriors

You can not make 10 immortals with the battleforce box because the rear torsos are different from immortals and warriors. ONLY five immortals and five DM's using warrior parts.

Kevin949 wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm excited about the conversion potential in the battle force. Even though I have 24 warriors, I'll be buying at least 1 battle force and using warrior torso and legs to make more immortals and deathmarks. (If I like how the test models go.)

Just a heads up, all you have to do is snip off the tab on the front torso of the warrior and make sure that part is flat. Then, I think it's the left arm, you just snip off the part right at the wrist so it is flat. Then just line it all up and glue it. The torso part is not an EXACT fit, the socket for the arms are not the same size, so be cautious when gluing that part on that you have an even match up on both sides. You honestly won't be able to tell once it's all together unless you're looking really closely. Also, the heads won't fit exactly right but if you angle the torso down just slightly then they'll be looking straight instead of up. Or just angle the heads to the side. It's really simple. Have fun!


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This set contains 20 Necron Warriors; 5 Immortals (which can alternatively be built as 5 Deathmarks); 5 Canoptek Scarab Swarms, and a Ghost Ark (which can alternatively be built as a Doomsday Ark if you want a little extra firepower). These miniature are supplied unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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That's a pretty nice set actually. Pity I already have 36 warriors though. 56 will be overdoing it.

LoL I have like 70+ warriors. I'm getting the box though because the warrior bits can be used to make the deathmarks as well with a bit of cutting (not much at all, two snips and that's it) and you can use the remaining warriors on any other multikit to make both parts. So, you can make 5 lychguard and 5 praets with the multibox and 5 warrior parts. Or 5 immortals and 5 deathmarks with the kit and 5 warriors. The battleforce box is more than worth it in that respect. I'm not even going to put the warriors together, they're going to be fodder for 4 multikits.

That's a good idea! Do the immortal torso fit on warrior legs?
If so then the battleforce effectively gives you

1 ghost ark
5 deathmarks
5 immortals with tesla
5 immortals with gauss
10 warriors

You can not make 10 immortals with the battleforce box because the rear torsos are different from immortals and warriors. ONLY five immortals and five DM's using warrior parts.

Ah damn. Oh well, still a good deal.

the blurb& pictures on GW's website mentions that the battleforce comes with the parts to make EITHER Ark.

Deathklaat wrote:the blurb& pictures on GW's website mentions that the battleforce comes with the parts to make EITHER Ark.

That's because both arks are the same kit.

yes you can use warrior legs and front torso's with the arms and backs from the immortals/deathmarks but imho it looks a bit silly unless you slap some greenstuff on the torso's.. the size difference is really noticeable and you really need to smooth that out

in honesty my FLGS can't complain about size difference. Everybody proxies at some point. I play a weetabix box cut-out scythe spam, there is a guy who proxies any odd soldier as lootas, a six dreadnought DS blood angel player (all blood talons) and a guy who uses terrmagants as SW wolves.

Yes, but making the models out of warrior parts isn't really proxying because they ARE the correct models and they ARE built out of models for the army and they're equipped properly. There's really nothing "proxy" about it.

If I could find the pictures i posted of my converted lychguard I'd put them up here. They don't look as bad as robbietobbie says. At least not to me. Not green stuff necessary bad, at least.

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, but making the models out of warrior parts isn't really proxying because they ARE the correct models and they ARE built out of models for the army and they're equipped properly. There's really nothing "proxy" about it.

If I could find the pictures i posted of my converted lychguard I'd put them up here. They don't look as bad as robbietobbie says. At least not to me. Not green stuff necessary bad, at least.

Not saying its a proxie. what I'm saying is that they can't complain because of the proxies others use

IHateNids wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, but making the models out of warrior parts isn't really proxying because they ARE the correct models and they ARE built out of models for the army and they're equipped properly. There's really nothing "proxy" about it.

If I could find the pictures i posted of my converted lychguard I'd put them up here. They don't look as bad as robbietobbie says. At least not to me. Not green stuff necessary bad, at least.

Not saying its a proxie. what I'm saying is that they can't complain because of the proxies others use

Ah, gotcha.

Ok.
I've got to try this with a Battleforce Kit. I've got some Triarch Praetorians, Immortals and Deathmarks just missing some front torsos and legs. If this works outwell, my Battleforce will be:

1 Doomsday Ark, 5 Canoptek Scarabs, 5 Deathmarks (from the kit) and 5 Triarch Praetorians, 10 Immortals and 5 Warriors (from the kit & bitz)

EPIC WIN for my £58.50

I actually saw a local make Wraiths out of the extra Praetorian bits and..I dunno, a few other misc. bits, and Tomb Blades out of Dark Elder Reavers and the 'passengers' of the Ghost Ark. They didn't look perfect, but it was still impressive.

Do you have any pics of these wraiths & Tomb Blades?

IHateNids wrote:Do you have any pics of these wraiths & Tomb Blades?

I do not, but if he shows up to the next tournament I'll ask him if I can post a few.

thanks alot

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

That's a good idea! Do the immortal torso fit on warrior legs?
If so then the battleforce effectively gives you

Yes. Used 2 immortal boxes + 20 of my warriors to make 10 Tesla Immortals, 10 Gauss Immortals and 10 Deathmarks

Looking for some advice here...
I'm getting an Immortal box this week, and looking at a Battleforce a little bit later.
Those of you who've done the conversions... would you make Immortals or Deathmarks first?

I decided to make my Deathmarks simply using warrior torsos and legs, skipping the whole hassle with trying to fit deathmark back to warrior torso.
I'll use some spare parts from Praetorians to make kind of "stealth camo" on their shoulders - rest is simply deathmark head (which is distinctive by itself) and synaptic desintegrator.

Make Immortals from the kit properly - just for the badass look they have Where Deathmark bodies can be substituted by smaller frame of warrior chassis, Immortals should stay "bulky"

yeah. Small and Stealthy fits with the fluff. for once

It would be nice if they were Rhino priced, but I'm braced for them to be Wave Serpent priced... I was hoping to grab four of them, but if they're WS priced, I might try my hand at converting once I see the what the final product looks like.

Aye, convert them fron CCB kits, which gives you overlords as well

So for $170 I'd receive:

$165 worth of boxed minis + 8 extra warriors and 2 scarab swarms.

Useful if you need to buy more warriors for conversions, not useful otherwise.

I'd probably make 5 deathmarks 10 immortals (plasticard mods on warriors with immortal weapons, may or may not use the immortal bodies considering I could still convert regular warriors if flayed ones are good 6e. Counts-as carbines or blasters. At least it beats the old warrior to flayed ones + immortals conversions) ghost ark 5 swarms and 10 warriors as suggested.

As a new player looking to start with Necrons (was just waiting until the 2nd wave was released), if I'm going to run what I'm thinking about running, it looks like I'm going to need:
2x Battleforce box set
3x Barge boxs
3x Wraith/Spyder box sets (provided the rumors pan out about the whole multi-kit 3 in a box thing)
...
*does some quick calculations*
...
JESUS CHRIST, I don't have that kind of money!
WTF was I thinking?!

I still have an old fashioned battleforce I never finished painting.. plus 1 box of warriors got me up to 40 of em.. and that's all I have so far besides 1 lord. Wondering now if I should go for the new battleforce too? Or just grab a couple boxes of immortals & barges.

That depends on what you want, 40 warriors should be enough for most games. You could use the warriors from the battleforce to make some extra immortals or deathmarks with the leftover bits from the immortals/deathmarks set to save you some money but it really depends on if you want to (they don't look bad with a little effort put into them but they're not as good as the actual immortals and deathmarks, The legs are too thin for the larger torso's and the front torso's dont fit perfectly to the immortals/deathmarks back torso's)

Anpu-adom wrote:Looking for some advice here...
I'm getting an Immortal box this week, and looking at a Battleforce a little bit later.
Those of you who've done the conversions... would you make Immortals or Deathmarks first?

I'd make immortals first, to be honest. Unless you already have a unit of 10 of the old metal ones. Even then though, I'd still probably make tesla immortals over deathmarks.

So, the pricing on the TWC has me a little concerned that the Wraith box will be significantly more expensive than we were thinking. Ghost Ark prices rather than rhino prices.

Anpu-adom wrote:So, the pricing on the TWC has me a little concerned that the Wraith box will be significantly more expensive than we were thinking. Ghost Ark prices rather than rhino prices.

There are official Thunderwolf Cavalry models now?

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:So, the pricing on the TWC has me a little concerned that the Wraith box will be significantly more expensive than we were thinking. Ghost Ark prices rather than rhino prices.

There are official Thunderwolf Cavalry models now?

Check out the nid rumor thread, pg 31-33.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:So, the pricing on the TWC has me a little concerned that the Wraith box will be significantly more expensive than we were thinking. Ghost Ark prices rather than rhino prices.

There are official Thunderwolf Cavalry models now?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/430517.page Pg 4-5

If that's March it makes me wonder when the new Necron models are arriving...unless March is just a huge month for releases...

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:If that's March it makes me wonder when the new Necron models are arriving...unless March is just a huge month for releases...

Its possible the Necrons won't be released till April. All of March is filled with recasting of old metal Nid and Space Wolves models into finecast.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:If that's March it makes me wonder when the new Necron models are arriving...unless March is just a huge month for releases...

Most recent rumors point to May.

Right now it looks like April is Empire month.

So:
Mar-Nid/Wolf wv2 month
Apr-Empire
May-Crons wv2?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:So:
Mar-Nid/Wolf wv2 month
Apr-Empire
May-Crons wv2?

That's what it looks like right now.

May?! Gah :/ Wasn't it enough we had to wait 10 years for a Codex update...
Tyranids get update every edition, SW are second most popular SM army.
And we are bound to wait again. Goddamn, need to vent :/

Herr Dexter wrote:May?! Gah :/ Wasn't it enough we had to wait 10 years for a Codex update...
Tyranids get update every edition, SW are second most popular SM army.
And we are bound to wait again. Goddamn, need to vent :/

Tyranids had to wait 2 years for their second wave though.

SW waited a pretty longtime for their update, something like 6 or 7 years.


6 months is really not THAT long.

Herr Dexter wrote:May?! Gah :/ Wasn't it enough we had to wait 10 years for a Codex update...
Tyranids get update every edition, SW are second most popular SM army.
And we are bound to wait again. Goddamn, need to vent :/

I feel your pain, but as a Cron & Nid player I'd like to point out that not only is the new Cron dex is stronger than the Nid one, but Crons got models for a greater percentage of their codex units in the first wave. Nids waited 2 years for their second wave and even after the upcoming release of the March models, they will still be missing 4+ models from their dex. May is fine for Crons, just be thankful there are multiple Necron builds that are viable even using only newly released and existing models. As for the Space Wolves... If you are looking for equal treatment/ love from GW, good luck with that. If a Xenos army was redone and powered to the level of SW or GK, there would be riots in the streets and the SM players would be burning their local hobby gaming stores to the ground. That said, I am shocked at how long it took GW to give them their TWC and FWs.

GW could have at least kept the Spyders and Wraiths in production if they were going to wait this long to put out plastic versions. Really, the secondary market is putting these at double to tripple their retail price and I bet that once a player has 9 Spyders in metal they'll only be buying 1 unit, if any, in plastic. I know I've flushed out my metal Wratih Squad and at best I'm only going to pick up enough to make 2 Squads since I most likely won't run 3 and if I decide to I'll just use my Metal Squad for the 3rd.

So, what d'you think guys? Will we have to wait like the tyranids and the space wolves waited for their 2nd wave? Like a year or so?


Obviously most rumors about the 2nd wave were false (thank those who just invented dates that made us all so sure it would be in february or march) and there are so many things on schedule (6th ed, probably some stuff for fantasy) that it is legitimate, I think, to stop believing in a fast second wave...


So should we start building lists without spyders, wraiths, scythes and tomb blades? And make do with what is available?

I think a wait is inevitable, but only to may/june something like that

April is supposed to be empire month and new paints if I'm not mistaken, so may it is.

I'm building more of 'gun line' lists supported by scarabs. Hopefully, I'll be able to find some spyders locally for that.

Dark Eldar second wave was May last year, right? There is hope.

Anpu-adom wrote:Dark Eldar second wave was May last year, right? There is hope.

It was June actually.

Pesonelly I think the Necron 2nd wave coming before 6th ed is safe as houses, but then inspite of the hype to the contrary I actually expect the CSM dex to drop before 6th as well.

Theyre definately befor 6th ed im sure of that.
Not so sure on CSM though

this is what I reckon
crons 2nd wave
6th
CSM
SM
BT
Tau
DA
...

or something along those lines

It would be good for me if it was Cron wave, 6th CSM DA Tau.

get me new crons (yay)
get the 6th ed starter box, nick the good stuff and sell the whole lot as a SM army (money=yay)
DA to shut all the whiners up
Tau so I can build a decent army at last

Kurgash wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

People keep saying that. Said it with Dark Eldar too.

Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Care to give us a link to said leaked pics?
(I haven't been able to find anything yet)

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

People keep saying that. Said it with Dark Eldar too.

Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Necron Wave 2 pictures?

Sasori wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Necron Wave 2 pictures?

I just started to salivate at the comment.

He meant nids and sw

Would Necron Bforce be wave 2 or 1.5?

Matt.Kingsley wrote:He meant nids and sw

I was thinking that, but he made his post on the 29th of feb, after They went up for preorder.

Probably right though.

skoffs wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Care to give us a link to said leaked pics?
(I haven't been able to find anything yet)

Go to frontline gamings blog. Pics were released in Spanish dwarf.

LunaHound wrote:Would Necron Bforce be wave 2 or 1.5?

I'd say 1.5.

Zathras wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Would Necron Bforce be wave 2 or 1.5?

I'd say 1.5.

How is this important? Oo

It's not even a bloody wave in my opinion and I've just wasted 2 lines on such a useless question


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Defeatmyarmy wrote:

skoffs wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Care to give us a link to said leaked pics?
(I haven't been able to find anything yet)

Go to frontline gamings blog. Pics were released in Spanish dwarf.

Now THIS is interesting.

I don't see where Recius and the guys are talking about any leaked Necron pictures. A while back, they did talk about the WG and Tyranids pictures.

Yea, I don't see anything on the Frontline Gaming blog.

Again, he was talking about SW and Nid models...the same ones most of us saw weeks ago. No new Necron leaks at this time. Boo.

Bond wrote:

Zathras wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Would Necron Bforce be wave 2 or 1.5?

I'd say 1.5.

How is this important? Oo

It's not even a bloody wave in my opinion and I've just wasted 2 lines on such a useless question

It's called being helpful and answering a question someone has.

Also it must be somewhat important to you if you bothered to post about it. Just saying.

Sasori wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

Kurgash wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

People keep saying that. Said it with Dark Eldar too.

Lol look like I might have made an accurate prediction since supposed pics have been leaked.

Necron Wave 2 pictures?

No necron wave 2 update. I guessed that tyranids an space wolves were being released first.

No gak sherlock.

Well, Thunderwolf Calvary is $54.50 US... That's my guess for a 3 pack of Wraiths or Spyders.

Anpu-adom wrote:Well, Thunderwolf Calvary is $54.50 US... That's my guess for a 3 pack of Wraiths or Spyders.

And well worth it, IMO.

$54.50 US equates to £33 GB.

I can live with that for what is arguably the best unit in the whole dex

$54.50 makes perfect sense for 3 Spyders, but if Wraiths are 3/box, I think there's a good chance they'll be even cheaper. The most comparable boxsets I can think of (3x 40mm models) would be Tyranid Warriors or Raveners, which are $42 and $44.50.

But hell...I'd pay $54.50 for 'em anyway (you didn't hear that, GW!)

Alternatively, it might be $47--the same as the VC Crypt Horrors/Vargheist kit.

whigwam wrote:$54.50 makes perfect sense for 3 Spyders, but if Wraiths are 3/box, I think there's a good chance they'll be even cheaper. The most comparable boxsets I can think of (3x 40mm models) would be Tyranid Warriors or Raveners, which are $42 and $44.50.

But hell...I'd pay $54.50 for 'em anyway (you didn't hear that, GW!)

The only thing that the new Wraiths really have in common with the old is their name. I would not be surprised if the new wraiths come on a larger base. It would be an advantage over all.

Changes of base size are the exception, not the norm. And I don't think there's any reason to expect a change. I mean, Wraiths got an extra wound, but they're still just a T4 model. That puts their profile in line with many other 40mm models.

I'm not convinced a bigger base would be a great advantage either. Wraiths are really vulnerable to massed small arms fire, so I like mine able to hide near troops and out of LOS. I know from my Bloodcrushers that a unit of 60mm bases is not easily hidden. The only plus would be Whip Coils having a greater effect, but I think they do fine on a 40mm base. I rarely have more than a couple models un-Coiled anyway.

NecronLord3 wrote:

whigwam wrote:$54.50 makes perfect sense for 3 Spyders, but if Wraiths are 3/box, I think there's a good chance they'll be even cheaper. The most comparable boxsets I can think of (3x 40mm models) would be Tyranid Warriors or Raveners, which are $42 and $44.50.

But hell...I'd pay $54.50 for 'em anyway (you didn't hear that, GW!)

The only thing that the new Wraiths really have in common with the old is their name. I would not be surprised if the new wraiths come on a larger base. It would be an advantage over all.

I see how it would be an advantage for whipcoils, but how else would be being on a larger base (if, flying base like the old spyders) be a benefit?

According to the art and Canoptek prefix wraiths are now more like small versions of the forgeworld tomb stalker, burly sharp millipede things with the same robo face as a spyder. I could see that on a bigger base.

The codex art also shows a long spindly tail. All of the bulk is concentrated near the head/torso (unlike the Tomb Stalker, but just like the OOP Wraith models). I think the Tomb Stalker, Spyders, and Wraiths will all have a lot in common appearance-wise, but not in size. Now I'm curious, are there any T4 models currently on a 60mm base? The only non-MC I'm aware of on 60mm (besides HWTs) are Bloodcrushers and Thunderwolves, both of which are T5 and "cavalry" type models.

Any more recent news on a release date for the Wraiths and other 2nd wave models?

ive not heard anything. im wondering the skimmers "ala blades?" are coming out and how big there are going to be? hopes for the same size as eldar "falcons"?

I expect the 2nd wave for May now.

whigwam wrote:The codex art also shows a long spindly tail. All of the bulk is concentrated near the head/torso (unlike the Tomb Stalker, but just like the OOP Wraith models). I think the Tomb Stalker, Spyders, and Wraiths will all have a lot in common appearance-wise, but not in size. Now I'm curious, are there any T4 models currently on a 60mm base? The only non-MC I'm aware of on 60mm (besides HWTs) are Bloodcrushers and Thunderwolves, both of which are T5 and "cavalry" type models.

Look at the T5 Destroyers and OOP Tomb Spyder, they are on flying bases.

I can imagine 60mm based wraiths will relative ease

I expect Wraiths to be on Flying bases. Great for whipcoiling enemies, but a headache,

The less flying bases the better if you ask me. I hope for Wraiths on 40mm and Spiders on 60mm.
Tomb Blades will be probably on flying bases tho.

brainscan wrote:ive not heard anything. im wondering the skimmers "ala blades?" are coming out and how big there are going to be? hopes for the same size as eldar "falcons"?

uuh - a falcon would be a wee bit big. I think you mean either a jetbike or a vyper (and TBH I think even a vyper would be too big - these things are to be fielded in substantial units...)

I am guessing Tomb Blades will be about the size of DE Hellions, or is that still to big?

Judging from the artwork alone I would say that DE Hellion size seems about right.

I'm going to bet forge world will cash in on wraiths spyders and stalker before gw released them a year later. I Read on the news forum they (gw) admitted to fine cast products being defective so might be focusing on fixing their designs before moving on to a new project.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I'm going to bet forge world will cash in on wraiths spyders and stalker before gw released them a year later.

You would be losing that bet.

TBD wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I'm going to bet forge world will cash in on wraiths spyders and stalker before gw released them a year later.

You would be losing that bet.

Wasnt the ork battle wagon forge world only for a long time? I would definitely be willing to pay extra if it means I could get the models earlier, just hopefully not cost 3x as much.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:

TBD wrote:

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I'm going to bet forge world will cash in on wraiths spyders and stalker before gw released them a year later.

You would be losing that bet.

Wasnt the ork battle wagon forge world only for a long time? I would definitely be willing to pay extra if it means I could get the models earlier, just hopefully not cost 3x as much.

I think he meant that as all signs point to the 'Cron 2nd wave happening around May, your claim that GW wouldn't be releasing the new models until a year from now would not be a sound bet to make.
(all of the Necron rumors so far have more or less panned out, so we have little reason to doubt these ones)

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Judging from the artwork alone I would say that DE Hellion size seems about right.

No actually, I would imagine them to be a bit bigger.
Somewhere between the size of a destroyer and a hellion.
Tomb Blades are, after all, necron warriors in a fancy chair. And warriors are already a tad bigger than Eldar.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Judging from the artwork alone I would say that DE Hellion size seems about right.

No actually, I would imagine them to be a bit bigger.
Somewhere between the size of a destroyer and a hellion.
Tomb Blades are, after all, necron warriors in a fancy chair. And warriors are already a tad bigger than Eldar.

That might be true, but a standing warrior is slightly bigger than a ghost ark warrior, so size-wise the Hellion is what I'm expecting as the vehicled one is smaller

EDIT: I know that the Ark warriors are not whole and have crossed arms but they are too small to have all this blamed on these few things

Hmmmm
From looking at many rumours on the interenet we all know and love, and having talked to people working at GW I'm pretty sure that the following are defeinatly/probably coming this year:

Tau Codex (they are so bad atm it hurts :( )
6th Gen Rulebook
Black Templars Codex (Some stuff in there just needs sorting out really...)
Dark Angels Codex (Old as hell)
Chaos SPace Marines Codex (honestly cant wait for this, hopefully they will buff possessed cos they suck but are awesome models)
Maybe an Eldar Codex

Should be a good year, I just dont like waiting ^^

you really think that in the next 9 1/2 months there will be 5 codex and 6th edition?

i'll say you will be lucky if there are more then 2 codex and the main rulebook...

I'm guessing Eldar early next year, but the rest I expect will be true.

so of the next 9 months, 5 of them will be 40k, the other 4 split between fant and lotr and the new hobbit expansion? I'd Say we shold get something a few months before 6th, then 6th, then a few months after, another dex... i wouldn't expect much more beyond that (hobbit should be nov area, and they generaly don't put out any codex in dec, i highly doubt they will put out a new codex within a month of when 6th comes out, nor any codex a month after any other codex)

Daykinator wrote:Hmmmm
From looking at many rumours on the interenet we all know and love, and having talked to people working at GW I'm pretty sure that the following are defeinatly/probably coming this year:

Tau Codex (they are so bad atm it hurts :( )
6th Gen Rulebook
Black Templars Codex (Some stuff in there just needs sorting out really...)
Dark Angels Codex (Old as hell)
Chaos SPace Marines Codex (honestly cant wait for this, hopefully they will buff possessed cos they suck but are awesome models)
Maybe an Eldar Codex

Should be a good year, I just dont like waiting ^^

You forgot the 5 army books and the Hobbit expansion also due this year

I have to wonder how long Orks will be able to hold out with a 4th edition codex. Most armies that are 2 or more editions behind are absolutely horrible, but Orks seem to be holding up fine in 5th, and the rumored 6th didn't seem to do too much to damage them either.

Wasn't the rumored/leaked 6th total bullgak?

Anvildude wrote:I have to wonder how long Orks will be able to hold out with a 4th edition codex. Most armies that are 2 or more editions behind are absolutely horrible, but Orks seem to be holding up fine in 5th, and the rumored 6th didn't seem to do too much to damage them either.

As a Xenos player, I am very hopeful for more necron models - I was excited about the codex, although, unlike most necron players, I was recently playing the old dex quite a bit.

I am currently using destroyers for tomblades, and my old wraiths work fine for new. I have had to just proxy the stalker in the few games I have fielded one.
I have some incredibly crude (read - simplistically painted cardboard and foam on large flyer bases) proxies for the flyers, and am not sure how well I like the triarch stalker.


Also, regarding the comment about tau above - yes, they are VERY hard to play and unforgiving; they take a lot of skill and allow for NO mistakes in dice or generalship.
They are FAR from dead however - see some of the recent battlereports - in fact, I took 4th overall in a large tourney last month with my beloved tau (went 3-1-2 with them in this event, and have a winning record with them even in competitive play).

I just hope the my beloved tau do not get as massive a change as the necrons did in their dex - half my old models were nerfed pretty hard (gee...the new models were better....hmmm...strange).

If the new wave does not hit in a couple of months, I will use some of the old bike style destroyers for tomblades and scratch build something better for the flyers (I have seen a couple of cool ones out there).
Not sure yet about the stalker - have to see if it fits in well with my lists and play style.

Go Xenos!!!!!

(edits: called the triarch stalker a tombstalker - so why was that not in the dex again?).

davethepak wrote:Go Xenos!!!!!

Amen to that.
I'm hoping cron wave 2 is before 6th, but my hopes don't amount to much. Ever.
What I DO hope happens though is a Crisis/Broadside mixed squad like the Destroyers. That would be great, better than great if they could split fire.

Actually...
DS the squad into the enemy army, fusion blaster a Land Raider and railgun a rhino. LOL, mix squad for FTW!!

Well, it seems that Empire will get April (according to Hastings @ Warseer).
It looks like they get a Wizard on a Gryphon, a War Alter, and New Knightly Orders.

It seems to me that there may be room near the end of the month for a small batch of Necron releases.

Anpu-adom wrote:Well, it seems that Empire will get April (according to Hastings @ Warseer).
It looks like they get a Wizard on a Gryphon, a War Alter, and New Knightly Orders.

It seems to me that there may be room near the end of the month for a small batch of Necron releases.

That's probably the least conclusive evidence I've ever heard. That's like saying "Well, it's 80 degrees and sunny today, but I suppose there is a .0001% chance of snow so I better get my winter boots and snow shovel out/"

Anpu-adom wrote:Well, it seems that Empire will get April (according to Hastings @ Warseer).
It looks like they get a Wizard on a Gryphon, a War Alter, and New Knightly Orders.

It seems to me that there may be room near the end of the month for a small batch of Necron releases.

A full Fantasy release and a complete restart and doubling of their paint range. Yeah, best month for a Necron release
BTW, Necrons are in May according to current rumours.

Brother SRM wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Well, it seems that Empire will get April (according to Hastings @ Warseer).
It looks like they get a Wizard on a Gryphon, a War Alter, and New Knightly Orders.

It seems to me that there may be room near the end of the month for a small batch of Necron releases.

That's probably the least conclusive evidence I've ever heard. That's like saying "Well, it's 80 degrees and sunny today, but I suppose there is a .0001% chance of snow so I better get my winter boots and snow shovel out/"

Did I say it was 'evidence'? I thought I was presenting my opinion, as is my right. You may think it a naive opinion, but that's your right too.

Besides... I do live in South Dakota, where there have been 60 degree temperature swings in 24 hours, and a few of them do result in snow.

Kroothawk wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Well, it seems that Empire will get April (according to Hastings @ Warseer).
It looks like they get a Wizard on a Gryphon, a War Alter, and New Knightly Orders.

It seems to me that there may be room near the end of the month for a small batch of Necron releases.

A full Fantasy release and a complete restart and doubling of their paint range. Yeah, best month for a Necron release
BTW, Necrons are in May according to current rumours.

I don't play Fantasy, so I'm probably way off base, but it doesn't sound like a full reboot (like Dark Eldar or Necrons). It looks like 2 new models and a bunch of upgrade sprues. Besides, the paints aren't produced by Games Workshop, merely distributed by them.

Anpu-adom wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I don't play Fantasy, so I'm probably way off base, but it doesn't sound like a full reboot (like Dark Eldar or Necrons). It looks like 2 new models and a bunch of upgrade sprues. Besides, the paints aren't produced by Games Workshop, merely distributed by them.

Its a new book, 4 large plastic kits, 2 minisprues, and some finecast. Crons ought to be May.

As for Tau and Eldar, Harry mentioned next year for both of them. Various rumors have Tau as the first book of 2013, and Eldar maybe getting a flier of some sort.