TheMaXX wrote:and worst of all - they are not doing a new race....i think that is what could be a real boost again - i would be happy to see the squats redone, but something entirely new would be even better.

Rumor is that the Squats are joining the Tau Empire as their heavy weapons specialists or something, in the same way that Chaos Dwarves live in as the crew of the Chaos Warriors' Hellcannon.

TheMaXX wrote:and worst of all - they are not doing a new race....i think that is what could be a real boost again - i would be happy to see the squats redone, but something entirely new would be even better.

I'm still waiting for Codex: Tarellian Dog Soldiers. GET TO WORK GW.

whigwam wrote:I'm still waiting for Codex: Tarellian Dog Soldiers.

Hive Fleet Moloch wrote:No.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

whigwam wrote:I'm still waiting for Codex: Tarellian Dog Soldiers.

Hive Fleet Moloch wrote:No.

I'll take Hrud!

TheMaXX wrote:just bought the codex....

well well well,

i loved my old necrons and to me GW ripped them apart by deleting the Pariah....i always took 10 of these crazy guys into a fight and now they should be all gone - cant believe...

think i will try to re-do them and use them as these triarchat guys....

besides the critics on using vehicles i still love this command flyer - but hate the arks - does not fit i think.

and worst of all - they are not doing a new race....i think that is what could be a real boost again - i would be happy to see the squats redone, but something entirely new would be even better.

So...you would rather the didn't update the necrons?

I use my Pariahs as Crypteks of Destruction. Oh well, they were retconned sadly.

whigwam wrote:Sounds like you got pretty lucky against the LR (full squad of Wraiths have ~20% chance to Wreck/Destroy a LR *moving at Combat speed*), but that's still within reason. Pretty awesome that they can do that. Now imagine what they could do after Scarabs take a few AV off here and there...

Oh I totally recognize how lucky I was against the land raider. Basically three 6's in a row.

Kurgash wrote:I use my Pariahs as Crypteks of Destruction. Oh well, they were retconned sadly.

Or make alternative Lychguard with Warscythes? That's personally what I'd have used them as.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Kurgash wrote:I use my Pariahs as Crypteks of Destruction. Oh well, they were retconned sadly.

Or make alternative Lychguard with Warscythes? That's personally what I'd have used them as.

As much as I like the Lychguard models (though I may have to adjust the headcrests), I'll likely use my ten Pariahs instead of buying $70 in new ones. For Warscythe-wielding 'guards, anyway. Will still get some with shields.

What I meant. Pariah = Lychguard with Warscythes.

DarkStarSabre wrote:What I meant. Pariah = Lychguard with Warscythes.

I know, I was agreeing with you.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Holy crap, wraiths are totally the new hotness for this army.

Agreed. Played a test game the other day and they more than pulled their weight.
Glad I got my six years ago.

Yeah, they seem to be very good against vehicles (where the In2 doesn't matter as much).
Their main problem? Competing with scarabs...

Wraiths are so good it hurts not having the full 6 for a squad. :( curse me and buying only 4.

i have 6 wraiths in stock, just couldn't fit 6 in the unit with the other stuff I brought. Though considering my praetorians didn't even get on the board until turn 4 and then DS scattered 10 inches away from where I wanted them and then we ended the game in turn 5 I should have just dropped 'em and taken more wraiths.

Captain Ventris wrote:Recieved information/rumors today. As stated by Dr.Pie himself the wave 2 is planned. Was told it will arrive late feb./early march and will be the following kits:

- Doom/Night scythe (plastic kit) 1 model
- Canoptic Wraiths/Spyders (Plastic kit) 3 models
- Iluminor Szeras (Finecast) 1 model
- Anrakyr the Traveler (Finecast) 1 model

Also release of a Battleforce consisting of the following:

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Take with salt as I always do...

Tomb blades and Triarch Stalker are missing from that list, but Hastings said a whle ago that they will come with the same wave.

Wraiths are plastic!

Oooooft! Touch me, BETTY!

3x spyders in 1 kit? Awesome...

I wonder if I should redo my Cryx Machine Wraiths when the new Necron Wraiths come out...

The wraith/spyder box sounds like it's going to cost a fortune... hopefully I'm wrong.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:The wraith/spyder box sounds like it's going to cost a fortune... hopefully I'm wrong.

I ball park $59 CAD... (same cost as a ghost ark).

I can't believe they're in one box; surely they're a completely different size?*

*then again, if Wraiths were the same size as Tomb Spiders that could explain the 2 wounds...

Perhaps the Tomb Spider isn't as big as initially thought...

Maybe it's build 3 Tomb Wraiths or One Tomb Spider...

Using the legs from all the wraiths to make the full spider?

It's probably the same concept as the killa kans, rounding up to £28.

3 models in one box, with the whole alternatives.

Not sure if anyone mentioned, but the Command/Annihilation Barge has instructions to not glue the railing/Destructor. It plugs right in.
Like, GW, yes -that- GW, wants to give you the option to convert it back and forth at will.
Apparently I fell into the Twilight Zone.
Only think I've had to magnetize on the whole thing is the gun option on the bottom.
I'm really impressed.

You actually don't even need to magnetize the gun on the bottom - between the vertical peg and the peg on the engine-tube-thing, you can just switch between the gauss and tesla cannon without glue.

Emperor awfulness wrote:You actually don't even need to magnetize the gun on the bottom - between the vertical peg and the peg on the engine-tube-thing, you can just switch between the gauss and tesla cannon without glue.

Tried it, it was a bit too much working at it to get the gun in and out, was afraid of doing that with a model with so many fragile bits hanging off of it, so made it so I only needed to slide it straight up and the magnet on the back would hold it there.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Not sure if anyone mentioned, but the Command/Annihilation Barge has instructions to not glue the railing/Destructor. It plugs right in.
Like, GW, yes -that- GW, wants to give you the option to convert it back and forth at will.
Apparently I fell into the Twilight Zone.
Only think I've had to magnetize on the whole thing is the gun option on the bottom.
I'm really impressed.

No... way... I just ordered one... I actually cant wait to get it now and build this for myself!

I was also really surprised. Just need to varnish my first 1 and the ease with which it went together was impressive. The only potential problem is it's a bit fiddly. You may need to paint before gluing to ensure you can get all the hard to reach areas.

Thumbs up to GW for this one.

I'd imagine Wraiths are going to be about the size of Raveners.

Tomb Spyders looked kind of big in the concept art but ,if they are on regular bases instead of flying stands now then I could see the single kit.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:The wraith/spyder box sounds like it's going to cost a fortune... hopefully I'm wrong.

I think we're looking at Ravener prices. Or if they're properly 'big' Juggernauts

I would be quite disappointed if the Triarch Stalker wasn't in Wave 2. On the bright side, multiple rumors are pointing to a second wave very soon, so in that respect I'm pretty happy.

I suspected Wraiths and Spyders would be the same kit based on the concept art (they are really similar apart from the body). Hopefully they'll squeeze a few more scarabs onto the sprue too. Bet the cost will be the same as Necrocopolis Knights/Sepulchral Stalkers..

Looking forward to seeing what they do with the Traveller as well. Between his vehicle stealing ability and scarabs, no one will ever play mech again

As an aside, here's a treat:



That's Mat Ward's Cryptek conversion. Triarch Praetorian provided the staff and legs while a Deathmark "donated" its head and torso for the body.

Honestly, I expected Matty to be a better painter.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Honestly, I expected Matty to be a better painter.

He is better than about 3/4ths of the guys I've ever played 40k against!

He's better than me.

But here's the thing that bothers me... Other than the head, they don't look much different than a Lord or the Triarch Praetorians. Cryptek stat lines are more like warriors than Triarch Praetorians and Immortals/Deathmarks, so shouldn't they have smaller bodies, too?

I'm planning on using warrior bodies, deathmark head, and Triarch Praetorian arms. Green stuff a cloak (like the finecast model) and you'll have something that you tell at a glance is different than a lord.

Sooo if i buy a box of Necron Lychguard / Triarch Praetorians and a box of immortals i can just make 5 immortals and 5 Crypteks?

That's way cheaper then buying 5 for 12,50 a model.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Honestly, I expected Matty to be a better painter.

I'd say that's pretty damn good. Better than the vast majority of armies I've seen at tournaments.

I dont know what tourneys you play at

Adepticon is the only Tournament I've ever been to that had over 3/4ths of the armies painted, there I would say it was closer to 99%.

Now that I look at it, I can't help but laugh at the gold lantern symbol on the pelvic area. "Come minions, my groin will light the way!"

It's a pretty neat conversion IMHO and I wouldn't say he's a bad painter to be fair.

I really like it when they show work that is achievable for us mere mortals. White dwarf used to show some really nice armies from guys at GW. I understand what some women mean about the impossible standards of models in fashion mags when I look at the 'eavy metal armies

Kurgash wrote:Now that I look at it, I can't help but laugh at the gold lantern symbol on the pelvic area. "Come minions, my groin will light the way!"

What... you have never heard of the secret galactic Superhero Corps... the Groin Lanterns?

Heck.. their color is even sickly lime green...

When can we expect wave 2 + the new battleforce?

Kanluwen wrote:As an aside, here's a treat:



That's Mat Ward's Cryptek conversion. Triarch Praetorian provided the staff and legs while a Deathmark "donated" its head and torso for the body.

Not a bad conversion. Could be worse.

that staff though. And that mouth. And those highlights.

TheNightbringer wrote:When can we expect wave 2 + the new battleforce?

Around March. But has been answered on the previous two pages as well.

Kroothawk wrote:

TheNightbringer wrote:When can we expect wave 2 + the new battleforce?

Around March. But has been answered on the previous two pages as well.

The correct answer is Before Tyranids.

Sorry, we know it to be true.

But yeah, March - much like BA and DE

...and before SW TWC . Its like my moneys no good to them.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

TheNightbringer wrote:When can we expect wave 2 + the new battleforce?

Around March. But has been answered on the previous two pages as well.

The correct answer is Before Tyranids.

Sorry, we know it to be true.

But yeah, March - much like BA and DE

My Crons leap for Joy, and my Nids continue to weep.


And I'd say the Paintjob isn't too terrible. Most of the armies I play against tend to have Grey as their primary color, so Wards painting would be a plus.

Ward paints a necron and now people are shOwing unneeded respect it's one figure painted basic quality most people can accomplish

March? That seems like too long. Usually they release stuff a little bit after christmas, to draw in those customers who picked up the game during the holiday season.

Samus_aran115 wrote:March? That seems like too long. Usually they release stuff a little bit after christmas, to draw in those customers who picked up the game during the holiday season.

You know, after waiting so many years for an update, the concept of waiting a few months to buy resculpted models doesn't seem that bad. I can use my classic wraiths to my heart's content and should the Triach Stalker arrive too, my Tomb Stalker can take a back seat again to sit in the cabinet and look pretty.

I had recently seen January mentioned as a release date. Haven't really been keeping up on the rumors since the first wave, but I'm really hoping that is correct. Sure, it's been a long wait and another few months isn't that bad comparatively...but there are just too many unreleased models that I want in my lists! At the moment I'm proxying Wraiths, Spyders, and Night Scythes...I can get some games in at home like that, but until there are proper models (that is, something besides the OOP models going for $30 a piece) I don't think my Necrons will be venturing outside.

Samus_aran115 wrote:March? That seems like too long. Usually they release stuff a little bit after christmas, to draw in those customers who picked up the game during the holiday season.

So...February/March.

Besides, most recent rumours point to Vampire Counts in January for WFB.

Samus_aran115 wrote:March? That seems like too long. Usually they release stuff a little bit after christmas, to draw in those customers who picked up the game during the holiday season.

January is VC month, and we desperately need it - no other army in either game is as bad as VC's currently are in 8th ed AND we have the oldest model line. (only Eldar can compete with us for 'longest serving model line')

Experiment 626 wrote:January is VC month, and we desperately need it - no other army in either game is as bad as VC's currently are in 8th ed AND we have the oldest model line. (only Eldar can compete with us for 'longest serving model line')

The Wood Elf player want to have a word with you:
Army book 2005 (6th edition), practically unplayable.
Bretonnia 2004, Dwarfs 2005, Empire 2007, High Elves 2007, Vampire Counts 2008.
Witch Hunters 2003 (3rd edition), Black Templar 2005, Tau Empire March 2006, Eldar November 2006.

In addition as far as the 'oldest model range' goes....

Didn't you guys get a whole slew of new core released in 7th edition?

So, harking back to 5th edition you have....Bat Swarms, Black Knights, Black Coach.

You have some Necromancers that go back to 4th/5th edition - however got a 'new' Necromancer model in the past year.

Your zombies are 6th edition.

Okaaaay?

Now, let's look at...hmm...Dark Elves.

Their core is 6th edition (Warriors, Crossbowmen) with one unit harking back to 5th edition (Dark Riders).

Orcs and Goblins. Their core is entirely 5th or 6th edition (with the except of Night Goblins). The Stone Trolls date back even further (4th edition at least!).

Lizardmen. Their core is entirely 5th or 6th edition (Saurus, Skinks - Swarms are 5th edition).

Wood Elves have an entire range trapped in 6th edition along with Bretonnians.

Chaos Warriors have a largely 5th/6th edition core.

Dwarf Slayers go back to 4th edition (!). Hammerers are 5th edition.

I don't think the arguement for 'oldest model range' holds up very well.

Certainly nothing dating anywhere near as far back as Eldar. Heck, Lizardmen and Orcs and Goblins have models that are older as do Dwarfs!

To be fair, some of those armies still function despite their age. Not the Wood Elves, obviously, but some of them.

Kroothawk wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:January is VC month, and we desperately need it - no other army in either game is as bad as VC's currently are in 8th ed AND we have the oldest model line. (only Eldar can compete with us for 'longest serving model line')

The Wood Elf player want to have a word with you:
Army book 2005 (6th edition), practically unplayable.
Bretonnia 2004, Dwarfs 2005, Empire 2007, High Elves 2007, Vampire Counts 2008.
Witch Hunters 2003 (3rd edition), Black Templar 2005, Tau Empire March 2006, Eldar November 2006.

WE's are almost as bad as VC's, but not quite as bad - they have a couple lists that work and they didn't get nerfed nearly as hard by the step-up + unstable beatstick. We have all of 2 viable unit choices outside of rares right now. At least 75% of our book is garbage in 8th ed, and considering some of the pts breaks the TK's got, it's pretty damn depressing to still be paying 7th ed costs when we know what those options really should cost! (skeletons I'm looking at you! )
Keep in mind, VC's are supposed to be a horde army who are entirely close combat dependant! WE's are horrifically screwed yes, because they are ment to be skirmishers & light infantry. But they can still make decent to good use out of alot of 8th ed's main buffs such as stepping up & steadfast (eternal guard), BSB re-rolls out the wazoo, fast cav buffs and such. VC's on the other hand are a purely close combat army that gets unstable and a main tactic that 8th ed broke. (namely, tarpitting with weak units & raising masses of troops to replenish those losses)

So now all we see from VC's are GGGhoul hordes + Dickenhof Deathstars and Vampire Lords who are forced to hide because they pay through the nose for being both wizards & fighters while also being the army's 'auto-lose' button.

As for our model line, well, we're still stuck with;
- mostly 6th ed Vampires (I don't count the SC's as some places/events ban the model outright to avoid confusion.) We only got 2 new generic ones last time - the other 4!!! were SC's!
- 5th ed Wight King (who only stands at the same hight as other 'man-sized' models due to his giant batwings on his helmet!)
- 4th/5th ed Necromancers (we *could* use the empire wizards true, or else have a bunch of clones with the 1 new plastic necro)
- Bat Swarms (I don't recall when those models were considered 'new')
- 5th ed Black Knights (were 'new' when I started fantasy in '97!)
- 5th/6th ed Fell Bats
- 6th ed Spirit Hosts
- 5th ed Black Coach
- 5th ed Cairn Wriaths (again, I don't want 3-4+ of the same model if i take a unit of 5!)

I won't complain about zombies (I honestly don't mind the models - but for god sakes make them playable!!!) but overall, we're pretty damn old!
Alot of the other stuff from around those days also doesn't look anywhere near as goofy as what we have. Brets & wood elves are still considered to have what are probably one of the sexiest model ranges overall! (but they really need some more plastic love to make them decently cost-efficient to build!)

Well, since no one is talking about Necrons anymore, and this thread is over 200 pages and wave 1 is over, I think we can lock this one down.

Thanks very much for the amazing post maintenance Kroot! We can start up again when wave 2 stuff starts cropping up!

unlocked for Kroot!

Just wanted to repost the current rumours of the second wave, expected for March or February(also added to the first post):

75hastings69 wrote:Couldn't see this on the thread (although I didn't go through every page!) early next year youll be getting a second wave of necrons - entries in the codex not covered by this release, 4 vehicles, a walker and 2 aircraft, also new tomb spiders IIRC.
Can't recall of the top of my head about the vehicles, the walker Artwork shows a large spider with a necRon driver and scorpion tail over the head blaster type thing.

Another confirmation by him (on Wraiths and Tomb Spyders):

75hastings69 wrote:I've already posted on the necron rumour thread that these items will be part of the second wave on necron models released early next year. The jetbike type necrons are also amongst the new kits.

Captain Ventris wrote:Recieved information/rumors today. As stated by Dr.Pie himself the wave 2 is planned. Was told it will arrive late feb./early march and will be the following kits:

- Doom/Night scythe (plastic kit) 1 model
- Canoptic Wraiths/Spyders (Plastic kit) 3 models
- Iluminor Szeras (Finecast) 1 model
- Anrakyr the Traveler (Finecast) 1 model

Also release of a Battleforce consisting of the following:

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Take with salt as I always do...

Tomb blades and Triarch Stalker are missing from that list, but Hastings said a whle ago that they will come with the same wave.

Thanks Kroot! Thread will stay open, but stay ot people -

Battleforce looks lame.

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

All this shiny new plastic, and that's the best they can do?

Would be pretty darned quick to release a battleforce, wouldn't it? How long did it take for the DE & BA to get theirs?

Breotan wrote:Would be pretty darned quick to release a battleforce, wouldn't it? How long did it take for the DE & BA to get theirs?

Almost a year wasn't it? Where's the GK battleforce?

Looking forward to Wave 2. Its a shame Tomb Blades aren't part of the rumors or Triarch Stalkers. I'm really excited to see those as models.

Red Comet wrote:Looking forward to Wave 2. Its a shame Tomb Blades aren't part of the rumors or Triarch Stalkers.

They are.
Although there are also nice non-GW alternatives.

Where is Orikon the Diviner?

3 Wraiths in one box is a steal considering how beastly they are. Here's to hoping they're not as much as a Land Raider.

Kroothawk wrote:

Red Comet wrote:Looking forward to Wave 2. Its a shame Tomb Blades aren't part of the rumors or Triarch Stalkers.

They are.
Although there are also nice non-GW alternatives.

Oh now I see it. This is good news indeed then.

I would love to get my hands on a Second wave so soon!

Samus_aran115 wrote:Battleforce looks lame.

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

All this shiny new plastic, and that's the best they can do?

Warriors / Scarabs - $33
Immortals - $33
Ghost Ark - $50

That comes right out to the average battleforce of $110, except you get 4 extra warriors and an extra scarab base. ($11 value if you divide the current warrior box by three)

Mathematically it makes sense..... i guess?

I have serious doubts about a 3-pack of Wraiths/Spyders, considering the cost & play value of those units. When compared to other prices like Immortals/Deathmarks or Flayed Ones, that Wraith/Spyder box would have to cost as much as a Land Raider.

fursphere wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Battleforce looks lame.

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

All this shiny new plastic, and that's the best they can do?

Warriors / Scarabs - $33
Immortals - $33
Ghost Ark - $50

That comes right out to the average battleforce of $110, except you get 4 extra warriors and an extra scarab base. ($11 value if you divide the current warrior box by three)

Mathematically it makes sense..... i guess?

It makes sense from a savings point of view, but from a practical use point of view, it leaves something to be desired.

That's my opinion, anyway. I bet a lot of people are more than excited about something that just buffs up their army, as opposed to giving them some decent bits. If you already have a plethora of special things, this battleforce is a great way to bolster your army.

azazel the cat wrote:I have serious doubts about a 3-pack of Wraiths/Spyders, considering the cost & play value of those units. When compared to other prices like Immortals/Deathmarks or Flayed Ones, that Wraith/Spyder box would have to cost as much as a Land Raider.

I think it's quite possible, it will probably be priced around the new VC 3-model kit (50$) Takes 200 dollars to get two full units of wraiths, more if you want some spyders. Seems about right to me.

I'm hoping the Nightscythe/Doomscythe are around CCB prices, and not Ghost Ark prices.

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

All this shiny new plastic, and that's the best they can do?

I kinda feel the same way, but buy that Battleforce and a box of Lychguard/Praetorians and you can convert yourself Overlords, Lords, Crypteks (all without touching any greenstuff). If you feel like skulpting a little bit, you can also make some old-school wraiths, too.

Sasori wrote:


I'm hoping the Nightscythe/Doomscythe are around CCB prices, and not Ghost Ark prices.

I'm actually hoping that they are smaller than the CCB... maybe 2 in a box for the Ghost Ark prices. It's not something that GW has really done before, but I can hold out a little hope (even if I'm not holding my breath).

The illustrations in the codex show that the Night/Doom Scythes are definitely larger than a Catacomb Command Barge and I would be very surprised if its not priced the same as the Dark Eldar flyer.

Sasori wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:I have serious doubts about a 3-pack of Wraiths/Spyders, considering the cost & play value of those units. When compared to other prices like Immortals/Deathmarks or Flayed Ones, that Wraith/Spyder box would have to cost as much as a Land Raider.

I think it's quite possible, it will probably be priced around the new VC 3-model kit (50$) Takes 200 dollars to get two full units of wraiths, more if you want some spyders. Seems about right to me.

I'm hoping the Nightscythe/Doomscythe are around CCB prices, and not Ghost Ark prices.

Your futile hope is delicious, my friend.

I think we both know that the Nightscythe/Doomscythe will be priced exactly like the Ghost/Doomsday Ark: you can have either a transport or a tank, but either way you're paying for a really expensive tank.

Also, I have a feeling that Triarch Stalkers will never actually have models made, just because it's the only new vehicle that isn't an either/or choice like the Scythes or the Arks or Barges. I expect this to be the new trend amongst all the new codices, just because it's so cost effective for GW to make one product and sell it as two.

azazel the cat wrote:

Sasori wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:I have serious doubts about a 3-pack of Wraiths/Spyders, considering the cost & play value of those units. When compared to other prices like Immortals/Deathmarks or Flayed Ones, that Wraith/Spyder box would have to cost as much as a Land Raider.

I think it's quite possible, it will probably be priced around the new VC 3-model kit (50$) Takes 200 dollars to get two full units of wraiths, more if you want some spyders. Seems about right to me.

I'm hoping the Nightscythe/Doomscythe are around CCB prices, and not Ghost Ark prices.

Your futile hope is delicious, my friend.

I think we both know that the Nightscythe/Doomscythe will be priced exactly like the Ghost/Doomsday Ark: you can have either a transport or a tank, but either way you're paying for a really expensive tank.

Also, I have a feeling that Triarch Stalkers will never actually have models made, just because it's the only new vehicle that isn't an either/or choice like the Scythes or the Arks or Barges. I expect this to be the new trend amongst all the new codices, just because it's so cost effective for GW to make one product and sell it as two.

Well, the Dreadknight was a single kit, and so was the Razorwing Jetfighter. I think it's quite possible the Triarch Stalker will have it's own kit. I at least hope so....

I know the Nightscythe/Doom will probably be at 50$ a pop. it would just be nice if they 33$ instead.

Samus_aran115 wrote:March? That seems like too long. Usually they release stuff a little bit after christmas, to draw in those customers who picked up the game during the holiday season.

If VC gets released within Jan, GW usually waits atleast a month for the next counter part to be released. So mid February? Unless mid February is the 2nd wave Necron,
then they have to wait after ( Tau or Chaos ) and perhaps another fantasy release for their turn.

I would expect (unfortunately) the Scythe kit to be around Ghost Ark price, judging from the artwork it seems to be quite a bti bigger than the CCB.

I am also serously doubtng the Wraith/Spyder kit being 3 to a box. i dont haver any info back this up at all, i can just see it being a 1 model kit (maybe even finecast?).

Not sure on Tombblades though....they can be deployed in squads of 1 so will GW box them such or will it be a 3 or even a 5 model box? Maybe around terminator price?

If this is all correct I will be picking up most of this tbh. I plan waiths, stalkers and I really need the battleforce too. This is great news for me. Looking like a lot is falling into place for my new necron army.

A lot will need converting, but a having so much in plastic will make that so much easier for me. This is great.


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Praxiss wrote:I would expect (unfortunately) the Scythe kit to be around Ghost Ark price, judging from the artwork it seems to be quite a bti bigger than the CCB.

Yeah i think the Triark will probably be that price, really very expensive seen as it seems to be lacking real punch. Seems a cool unit non the less and probably makes a good support an CC blocker unit.

I don't know about the size but from the stats it is either of a defiler type size, i.e. without base or is dread sized. I like the size of the bigger but might prefer the price of the smaller. Depends how it looks.

Praxiss wrote:I am also serously doubtng the Wraith/Spyder kit being 3 to a box. i dont haver any info back this up at all, i can just see it being a 1 model kit (maybe even finecast?).

I'm going to stick my neck out and say if they don't do these in plastic and in boxes of three I'll be damned.

They will probably match the prices of these.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat570034a&prodId=prod1190056a

In fact Necropolis Knights minus the rider might make good stand ins if they don't decide to do them in plastic, just would need a head change and a more spiny look.

I've been thinking for a while the Tomb Kings set would make a good proxy for Wraiths.....anyone actually done it?

Haven't actually done it, but there is a unit of Necropolis Knights sitting on the table at my FLGS... I think it would work.
The tails are so long, that you'd be able to make 2 wraiths per kit. I really like this conversion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Necron-Canoptek-Wraith-Conversion-Warhammer-40k-40mm-mdf-base-w-whip-coils-BIN-/200695583880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eba639488#ht_2522wt_1112

Well I plan on picking up the battle force to get started with necrons.

I want the the walker NOW lol.

Can't wait for the walker

It's the Nightscythe i am most looking forward to. Gonna grab a couple of them stright away.

Although, having re-read the rules, i'm starting to favour Tomb Blades over Destroyers right now.

Praxiss wrote:It's the Nightscythe i am most looking forward to. Gonna grab a couple of them stright away.

I'm with you here: give us the Scythes! Not really interested in the Stalker and everything else is pretty simple to kitbash, proxy, or counts-as for now. A Scythe proxy is doable, but anything decent-looking will require an undue amount of time and money. Really wish these had been in the first wave...

Also hoping the Wraith+Spyder box winds up being a false rumor. In the codex art, it looks like a head is all they have in common...really hope that's the case for the models too. Wraiths should be tall, lithe and agile-looking...Spyders should be broad, heavy, and ponderous. Unless there are an absurd amount of extra bits (or some very creative reuse of bits), it seems really strange to combine these two very different units in one box.

if it is a plastic kit of fine cast then the part makign the Wraith stand up tall (tail, whatever) may well only be a couple of bitsof sprue due to the light weight of the model. or the model for the new wraith might not quite so lithe looking as the prvious model (i'm think Talos-esque)

Looking at the art, the carapace looks the same as well (the wraith seems to have a power source or something on its back but this is described int he fluff for the unit).

i think it is pretty much a given that it will be an eith/or kit like Lyguards/triarch and immortals/deathmarks.

...and there was much rejoicing and Tyranid players everywhere rage-twitched at another army getting a second wave.

Maybe the Triarch is going to be a double-kit with that one Character? He's got the legs for it.

Praxiss wrote:if it is a plastic kit of fine cast then the part makign the Wraith stand up tall (tail, whatever) may well only be a couple of bitsof sprue due to the light weight of the model. or the model for the new wraith might not quite so lithe looking as the prvious model (i'm think Talos-esque)

Looking at the art, the carapace looks the same as well (the wraith seems to have a power source or something on its back but this is described int he fluff for the unit).

i think it is pretty much a given that it will be an eith/or kit like Lyguards/triarch and immortals/deathmarks.

I can see how they'd do a combo-kit, but Wraiths/Spyders have much bigger differences to reconcile than those of Deathmarks/Immortals or Praets/Lychguard. Not that I'm ruling out the possibility, there would just be good reason to keep the two separate. Unlike all of the previous combo-kits, they don't share a chassis or a statline. As the models currently stand, they don't even share a base size. I'm all for two-for-ones, but the others have all had some very obvious similarities...this one seems a stretch.

At the end of the day, the combo-kit probably makes more sense $-wise, so yeah, that's most likely what we'll see. Until that day comes I will continue to dream my hopeless dreams.

The TK snake-surfer box makes two different units that share about 3 bits. I think Wraiths/Spiders is very doable.

I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

It will be a combo kit on the same stands that Destroyers/Spyders/Barges/Arks are currently on (not confirmed but thsiis what i am guessing).

The new artwork in the codex has the wraiths and spyders havign very similar carapace and heads. Bear in mind the Wraith has been completley re-written. They are not CC necrons anymore, they are in the same automaton group as Spyders and Scarabs. They stayed awake during the long sleep maintain and tidying the tomb worlds.

Compare the artwork for Wraiths and Spyders and you will see the similarties in head, back and torso configuration. I predict that the only difference will be how they are put together. Spyders will be much as they are now, low down and hovering, while Wraiths will have the same dimensions but be standing up with a more tapering rear end (into the tail assembly).

It looks like the spyders and wraiths will share the same head and mid section, but the spyder will have a large scarab like rear end, while the wraith will have a long tail instead.

I am happy that a box set can give you 3 wraiths or 3 spyders. I find this be a good deal, and perfect for wraith wing lists.

I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

azazel the cat wrote:I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

I don't know.... I think a base that big is way too big. And personally, I'm fine with 40mm bases.

King Pariah wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:I'm just hoping that the Wraiths are given a larger base size in the new models. It may be wishful thinking, but I would love to see Wraiths with Dreadnought-sized bases. Whip coils, anyone?

I don't know.... I think a base that big is way too big. And personally, I'm fine with 40mm bases.

I'd also have to say 60mm is "way too big." Flight stands wouldn't be much better...

I guess I'm just hoping, based off of the premise that the Wraiths & Spyders will have approximately the same size, and that the Spyder is a MC, so it should be larger, about the size of a Dreadnought. Going back to the initial premise that the Wraiths & Spyders are the same size, I think it's possible. Unlikey? Sure. But it's a possibility not outside of reason.

azazel the cat wrote:I guess I'm just hoping, based off of the premise that the Wraiths & Spyders will have approximately the same size, and that the Spyder is a MC, so it should be larger, about the size of a Dreadnought. Going back to the initial premise that the Wraiths & Spyders are the same size, I think it's possible. Unlikey? Sure. But it's a possibility not outside of reason

No, it's not outside of reason at all. I just hope you're wrong.

Spyders would make sense (to me) on a 60mm or flight stand. They are, after all, T6 3-wound monstrous creatures. Even with their new-found second wound, I don't think Wraiths should have quite as much heft. It's down to personal preference I guess, but I think 40mm is a lot more appropriate for a model with their profile (much like Terminators or Fiends of Slaanesh). It's also a lot less hassle transporting and playing with 40mm models than 60mm, but there I go with my wishful thinking again...

It's possible that both bases will be included in the box. I agree that if they get the same kit, it's weird that Spyders are MC's and Wraiths are not.

I'm really hoping for a 3 model plastic kit.

I've already picked up 4x of the metal Wraiths (@Sasori: I think you're right, my shooty list does need that one counterassault unit).

As menacing as the new artwork makes the Wraiths look, I just don't care for the new aethetic. Especially considering the old models had IMO one of the coolest-looking units in 40k. (and if I'm -somehow- correct about the larger bases, then that just leaves me some room for some fancy modelling on the larger base.)

I really hope it is a 3 model kit (kind of makes sense as their max unit sizes are multiples of 3).

I just can't see GW being that helpfull when they could pop them in a 1 model box for £10 and most likely still sell a crap load. After all, they did it with Destroyers.

Praxiss wrote:After all, they did it with Destroyers.

Yeah, like ten+ years ago. They stopped doing those styles of sprue a long time ago, as far as I know.

Well, like i said. I really hope they come in 3 model boxes, i would defo pick them up then.

But GW are not exactly well known for their savvy or customer friendly marketing strategies

Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

That would be a MASSIVE size increase. i woudl think that would be unlikely....i hope so anyway. if it's that sort of size they woudl chareg at least £20 just for one!

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Apparently, someone confused the 3-up model for a production model a while back.

Hmm, would have preferred models for Zandrekh and Obyron, but I suppose they are close enough to existing models to proxy. Besides, everyone uses Szeras....right?

I do on occasion use Anrakyr, though, so yay for that.

whigwam wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

two words. Whip coils. The bigger the base they give wraiths the happier i'll be.

SoulGazer wrote:Hmm, would have preferred models for Zandrekh and Obyron, but I suppose they are close enough to existing models to proxy. Besides, everyone uses Szeras....right?

I do on occasion use Anrakyr, though, so yay for that.

Actually I think Anrakyr is best represented by the plastic Overlord that comes with the CCB. Both special characters for wave two are the least desirable for me. I am happy with my plastic Overlord and I'll never use Szeras.

WanderingFox wrote:

whigwam wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:I can see them being a combined kit if they are on flying stands.

This would make some sense...I hope they keep Wraiths on 40mm though. Years of playing Destroyer-wing taught me to hate those damnable little stands.

two words. Whip coils. The bigger the base they give wraiths the happier i'll be.

You're right, that could be pretty nuts. For that reason, I'm thinking Whip Coils are one of the strongest indications Wraiths' base size won't change.

Medium of Death wrote:...and there was much rejoicing and Tyranid players everywhere rage-twitched at another army getting a second wave.

Though apparantly according to other threads there's due to be a flurry of 2nd waves all round the same time....including... (wait for it)...Tyranids!

But seriously.

This wave system is fething ridiculous.

But I really do want to see new Wraiths. The artwork is very, very different from the previous incarnation!

yeah, not overly happy abotu that. Teh fact that the 3 Wraiths i have will not mesh with any new ones i get is annoyign in the extreme.

Already a little miffed that my new plastic immortals aere noticably taller than my old metal ones so a mixed unit looks iffy as well.

Praxiss wrote:It will be a combo kit on the same stands that Destroyers/Spyders/Barges/Arks are currently on (not confirmed but thsiis what i am guessing).

TBH, that doesn't make much sense... Destroyers are PITA to hold close together as a group of 5 and are like last model you would like to get into CC.
Since CC is fixed on base contact - flying bases are large and usually used for models who measure their distances from hull / weapon etc... I just don't see this happening here.
I expect Wraiths to stay 40mm and Spyders to use those now as well, with addition of small acrylic rod in the middle, kinda like those demon flying things Tzeentch has ( http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440203a&prodId=prod1170227 ).

EDIT: I also hope that 3 per kit will be true as that's awesome solution. Buying 9 separate Spder boxes for Spyder Farm is a nightmare (still overreacting a purchase of 5 destroyers...).

Anpu-adom wrote:

Breotan wrote:Wasn't the rumor that Tomb Spyders were supposed to be the size of a Rhino? Unless that's been debunked, I don't see how they would come three to a box.

Apparently, someone confused the 3-up model for a production model a while back.

Or mistook the Triarch Stalker model for the new Spydor

Any idea when the battle force is coming out?

Is there anything on the tombblade and destroyer sets?

I don't recall ever seeing rumours about Destroyer sets being replaced.

I think its said somewhere in the info on page 1 that destroyers would be getting new models, but not soon.

The manager at my FLGS put all the destroyer related models at half price + 10% off GW price.

He said his distributor told him the models would be changing, but he is by no means an official word on the matter.

I did however, purchase a few heavy destroyers and a destroyer lord dirt cheap.

BarBoBot wrote:I think its said somewhere in the info on page 1 that destroyers would be getting new models, but not soon.

The manager at my FLGS put all the destroyer related models at half price + 10% off GW price.

He said his distributor told him the models would be changing, but he is by no means an official word on the matter.

I did however, purchase a few heavy destroyers and a destroyer lord dirt cheap.

Current ones don't look that different from the new Codex version. Maybe GW is gonna make a new box with multiple models and options to make some of them heavy?

I thought the new Immortals were changed to better resemble the existing Destoryers...?

To me it looks like GW wants to get away from the 3rd edition book in every way. I wouldn't be surprised to see new Destroyer kits that let you make a regular, heavy or Lord version but I don't see it coming any time soon. There will probably be Finecast versions of the Heavy pieces and lord parts before that.

NecronLord3 wrote:To me it looks like GW wants to get away from the 3rd edition book in every way. I wouldn't be surprised to see new Destroyer kits that let you make a regular, heavy or Lord version but I don't see it coming any time soon. There will probably be Finecast versions of the Heavy pieces and lord parts before that.

Good riddance to the 3rd ed book I say.

It was the codex where there were basically no options,
no special characters,
no personality,
you could field gods capable of eating stars on the the battlefield that could be killed by sniper rifles,
C'tan did EVERYTHING,
from being the doom of the old ones rather than the enslavers,
to the entire reason humanity fears death,
to one being the god of the entire Adeptus Mechanicus who was the entire reason they came up with new and advanced technology,
who if he were to wake up would literally cause the Imperium to auto-lose,
yet who was also on earth as a classic folklore dragon and being beat by the emperor with a lance on a horse,
who then dragged his ass into space to mars and threw him into the ground,
yet was also somehow killed in Ferrus Mannus's rise to power story,
and the C'tan maybe being the hivemind,
and the C'tan being mega-powerful except were defeated by an Ultramarine's melta bomb,
and a random tech-priest's plasma bomb,
and the Necrons never had any real accomplishments, victories, or actions,
and on and on and on

I for one welcome our new robot overlord backstory.

ph34r wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:To me it looks like GW wants to get away from the 3rd edition book in every way. I wouldn't be surprised to see new Destroyer kits that let you make a regular, heavy or Lord version but I don't see it coming any time soon. There will probably be Finecast versions of the Heavy pieces and lord parts before that.

Good riddance to the 3rd ed book I say.

yet was also somehow killed in Ferrus Mannus's rise to power story,
and the C'tan maybe being the hivemind,
I for one welcome our new robot overlord backstory.

Wrong and wrong.

The thing Mannus killed was never said to be a C'tan. It was more likely some type of construct.

And the C'tan being the Hivemind was just speculation cooked up by some fans. Again, no real basis other then the nids avoiding the Outsider, which does NOT mean that he controls them.

ph34r wrote:
I for one welcome our new robot overlord backstory.

Yes, because blatantly ripping off tomb kings is so much more original and interesting. Sorry, I thought it was a GOOD thing when gw started trying ot get away from that. I mean, sure, the whole 'Is Sigmar a missing Primarch?' thing was good for a while, but really?

Never mind how this totally screws up several other codecies backstories or how it makes the Necrons a group of emo robots from space. I mean, seriously, one's name is even pronounced Emo-Tech.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Never mind how this totally screws up several other codecies backstories or how it makes the Necrons a group of emo robots from space. I mean, seriously, one's name is even pronounced Emo-Tech.

I feel that my sarcasm meter should be going off, but I cant tell

ph34r wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:To me it looks like GW wants to get away from the 3rd edition book in every way. I wouldn't be surprised to see new Destroyer kits that let you make a regular, heavy or Lord version but I don't see it coming any time soon. There will probably be Finecast versions of the Heavy pieces and lord parts before that.

Good riddance to the 3rd ed book I say.

It was the codex where there were basically no options,
no special characters,
no personality,
you could field gods capable of eating stars on the the battlefield that could be killed by sniper rifles,
C'tan did EVERYTHING,
from being the doom of the old ones rather than the enslavers,
to the entire reason humanity fears death,
to one being the god of the entire Adeptus Mechanicus who was the entire reason they came up with new and advanced technology,
who if he were to wake up would literally cause the Imperium to auto-lose,
yet who was also on earth as a classic folklore dragon and being beat by the emperor with a lance on a horse,
who then dragged his ass into space to mars and threw him into the ground,
yet was also somehow killed in Ferrus Mannus's rise to power story,
and the C'tan maybe being the hivemind,
and the C'tan being mega-powerful except were defeated by an Ultramarine's melta bomb,
and a random tech-priest's plasma bomb,
and the Necrons never had any real accomplishments, victories, or actions,
and on and on and on

I for one welcome our new robot overlord backstory.

Well I don't think you could be more wrong. 3rd edition Necrons were the best Codex of 3rd edition and were kings in 4th. I loved the fluff an IMO, the Necron codex was the glue that has been holding the 40k universe together. I can see how some villain player could be upset because suddenly the Tyranids, Chaos, and Dark Eldar were not as 'evil' as the Necrons and plausibly factions like Chaos and Loyalist marines could conceivable join together to fight an enemy like the Necrons. Obviously a large percentage, if not the majority agreed with me considering the positive outcry and response to the Necron update. In fact the majority of critiques were to the fluff, not the rules of the new book. Obviously, all these Necron fans were not hold overs from 2nd edition, but the newer material is more based on 2nd edition Necrons than 3rd. I have a feeling that in about 5-6 years we are going to see yet another Necron Codex where GW is going to confess and suggest that 5th edition Necrons just didn't get it right, much like the last Chaos Codex. But regardless, until then I am going to enjoy my current necrons and keep the memories of my 3rd edition codex held in a special place in my heart and memories.

Short update: Harry confirmed the second wave for February.

Kroothawk wrote:Short update: Harry confirmed the second wave for February.

Praise the Omnissiah! Good news.

NecronLord3 wrote:
Well I don't think you could be more wrong. 3rd edition Necrons were the best Codex of 3rd edition and were kings in 4th. I loved the fluff an IMO, the Necron codex was the glue that has been holding the 40k universe together. I can see how some villain player could be upset because suddenly the Tyranids, Chaos, and Dark Eldar were not as 'evil' as the Necrons and plausibly factions like Chaos and Loyalist marines could conceivable join together to fight an enemy like the Necrons.

It was terrible idea try to add another galaxy-wide force when everything else was already well estabilished. It left the Necrons feel completely detached, not helped by rushed nature of the 3rd edition codex. They're meant to be ancient enemy of the Eldar, but they don't seem to fight them anywhere. Necrons were supposed to be 'ultimate evil' of the galaxy but they were not shown to be actual threat to pretty much anyone.

Not only Necron backstory was poorly written, it was told to far too great detail, leaving too little mystery and even exposing the backstories of other races. Character of the race was conflicted, with totally faceless robots with no personality contrasted with extremely individualistic C'Tans - who were supposed to be leading the race, from the battlefield fighting small scale battles! Not to mention that whole story of how Necrontyr discovered the C'Tan, just like that, was daft.

No, the new fluff isn't that great, but it's better than the old.

Necrons still discover the C'tan in the same way in the new codex do they not?

The one thing that annoys me about the new fluff the most is the fact that Necrons now need to use the webway.

It's getting a bit crowded in there.

They should still have FTL, but utilise Dolmen gates to force their way into the Webway in order to follow their hated Eldar enemies.

Huzzah! for the confirmed second wave!

Kroothawk wrote:Short update: Harry confirmed the second wave for February.

So does that mean that pre-orders will go up Jan. 27th or Feb.3? In stores the 4th or the 11th?
Impatient minds want to know!

I excpect Jan 27th, as thats when WD is out.

Bell of Lost Souls is reporting that Necron 2nd Wave will be 'late' February. Anyone have any idea where they are getting that?

They are also reporting 4 vehicles (1 walker and 2 aircraft) and spyders.

Vehicles it seems pretty clear:
Tomb Stalker
Night Scythe/Doom Scythe
Tomb Blades

No mention of Finecast IC's

From Stick Monkey. He stated necromancer get there on the leap year which would occur at the end of the month.

stickmonkey wrote:Early feb nids, late feb crons. Since it seems i was too cryptic on that...

Kroothawk wrote:

stickmonkey wrote:Early feb nids, late feb crons. Since it seems i was too cryptic on that...

Or was he too Cryptek on that?

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

stickmonkey wrote:Early feb nids, late feb crons. Since it seems i was too cryptic on that...

Or was he too Cryptek on that?

*blink*blink*blink* Bad Monkey... bad Monkey...

I'd love to see an Illuminor Szeras model. he's actually a pretty useful HQ when you're running a warrior brick.

According to my sources the battle force will include the following

10 Necron Warriors
5 Immortals
5 Lychgaurd
I night Scythe
3 tri stalkers ...things.

One player can field maximum of 3 Triarch Stalkers, I hardly believe that GW would put 3 of them in a box, nevermind a battleforce.

Kroothawk wrote:Short update: Harry confirmed the second wave for February.

Wow I really didn't expect a follow up that quickly, but in terms of running a Wraith Wing list, this sounds awesome! The major issue was the lack of a Night Scythe model for spamming Tesla.

Field Gen wrote:According to my sources the battle force will include the following

10 Necron Warriors
5 Immortals
5 Lychgaurd
I night Scythe
3 tri stalkers ...things.

Strange, other rumors point to

Also release of a Battleforce consisting of the following:

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Plus, 3 tri stalkers? Those things are larger (presumably) than dreadnoughts, way too much for a battleforce

- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Makes a lot more since and is around the price range that they usually sit at.

Second Wave in Feb would be nice!

Field Gen wrote:According to my sources the battle force will include the following

10 Necron Warriors
5 Immortals
5 Lychgaurd
I night Scythe
3 tri stalkers ...things.

So GW removes two Necron Warriors from their sprue and sells more than 140 £ of merchandise for 60£?
Kick your sources where it hurts

Kroothawk wrote:

Field Gen wrote:According to my sources the battle force will include the following

10 Necron Warriors
5 Immortals
5 Lychgaurd
I night Scythe
3 tri stalkers ...things.

So GW removes two Necron Warriors from their sprue and sells more than 140 £ of merchandise for 60£?
Kick your sources where it hurts

And new models in the battle force? Not bloody likely.
I've said it before, but including Lychguard/Praetorians in the Battle Force makes it awesome for conversions!

If I had to guess maybe it was just a mistake, I couldn't see 3 Triarchs in there, maybe one if something else came out. Perhaps it's three Wraiths or Spyders or something? That would be more plausible I think.

I'd say

10x warriors
Annihilation barge/command barge
5x immortals/deathmarks
3x scarabs.

Least that's my guess

Anyone why says 10 warriors is automatically disqualified.

There could be an upcoming recutting of the warrior sprue.

lord_blackfang wrote:Anyone why says 10 warriors is automatically disqualified.

My guess:

12x Warriors
3x Scarabs
5x Lychguard/Praetorians
3x Destroyers

We're more likely to see Immortals rather than Lychguard in Battleforce...

5x Immortals/Deathmarks
1x Ghost Ark/Doomsday Dark
16x Necron Warriors
4x Scarabs
(possible?) 5x Lychguard/Pretorians

I'm going with Blackgaze on this one although I think we'd see Destroyers before we see Lychguard/Pretorians.

Rumors have been saying that Lychguard/Pretorians are in since 1st wave came out. I don't think that the Lychguard/Pretorians have been selling well, which also makes them good targets for being in the battleforce.

I don't think that destroyers will make it because 2 or 3 destroyers would be more of a value than 1 box of Lychguard/Praetorians.

If it is 16 warriors, 4 scarabs, 5 immortals/deathmarks, 5 lychguard/praetorians and a ghost ark I would likely pick up one. Maybe 2.
If it has destroyers, I'd probably pass on it.

Blackgaze wrote:5x Immortals/Deathmarks
1x Ghost Ark/Doomsday ark
12x Necron Warriors
4x Scarabs
(possible?) 5x Lychguard/Pretorians

This with the exception that it most certainly will be 3x Scarabs as that is what you get with 12 Necron Warriors currently, it will be either Lychguard/Pretorians or Immortals/Deathmarks. If it is Lychguard/Pretorians will be great for conversions but i'm betting Immortals/Deathmarks.

Nearly all the battleforces GW produced have two troop choices (Warriors and Immortals) and a transport (Ghost Ark/Doomsday ark). A lot have an extra unit, Orks have bikes, Dark Eldar have Reavers space marines get a predictor!! but not all do. Space Wolves get nothing but two troops and a drop pod in theirs. With the price of the Ghost Ark/Doomsday ark, and the fact you could build it as the Doomsday Ark and the Immortals as Deathmarks for something "extra", i'm guessing that there probably won't be another unit.


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My bad Space Marines get some assault marines extra and Space Wolves get some scouts extra.

Anpu-adom wrote:Rumors have been saying that Lychguard/Pretorians are in since 1st wave came out. I don't think that the Lychguard/Pretorians have been selling well, which also makes them good targets for being in the battleforce.

I don't think that destroyers will make it because 2 or 3 destroyers would be more of a value than 1 box of Lychguard/Praetorians.

If it is 16 warriors, 4 scarabs, 5 immortals/deathmarks, 5 lychguard/praetorians and a ghost ark I would likely pick up one. Maybe 2.
If it has destroyers, I'd probably pass on it.

The old battle force had 3 Destroyers in it. Considering I doubt that Destroyers and Lychguard/Praetorians are selling well, I would bet on seeing these guys in the battleforce.

Blood Angels has Assault Squad, Death Company, Tactical Squad and Rhino for £60 vs £84.50 brought separately.

If Necrons had Warriors, Immortals/deathmarks, Ghost Ark and Lychguard/praetorians for £60 vs £92.50 that is a much bigger saving compared to any other battalion.

I don't think we will see the Ark in as it is a pretty huge kit and more than any other standard transport available. Command barge might be more likely at is cost of £20.50 the same as a Rhino etc.

alphaomega wrote:Blood Angels has Assault Squad, Death Company, Tactical Squad and Rhino for £60 vs £84.50 brought separately.

If Necrons had Warriors, Immortals/deathmarks, Ghost Ark and Lychguard/praetorians for £60 vs £92.50 that is a much bigger saving compared to any other battalion.

I don't think we will see the Ark in as it is a pretty huge kit and more than any other standard transport available. Command barge might be more likely at is cost of £20.50 the same as a Rhino etc.

You make some good points, but I don't really think that the CCBarge will make it. Only the Tau battleforce has a possible HQ choice in it (though I have no reason other than inertia for them to not make a change). That would be a 700+ point army all in one box!

I also highly doubt that they'll put an ark of barge kit in the battleforce.. Simply because they want you to have to go and buy transports (highly needed in fifth).. I'm betting on something similar to the old battleforce but with some of the warriors swapped out for an immortals/deathmark set. Just my two cents though

nice. the whole crons codex online. why did i ever buy it???

Nemesor wrote:nice. the whole crons codex online. why did i ever buy it??

They are always online...

It's always good to have in in front of you when you are playing someone though..

I'm going to stick with my guess that the battleforce will contain roughly:

10 Warriors
3 scarab swarms
5 immortals
3 destroyers
1 nightscythe as I really doubt the ghost/doomsday ark would be in it as I can't see GW putting in something that could be heavy support in the battleforce

King Pariah wrote:I'm going to stick with my guess that the battleforce will contain roughly:

10 Warriors
3 scarab swarms
5 immortals
3 destroyers
1 nightscythe as I really doubt the ghost/doomsday ark would be in it as I can't see GW putting in something that could be heavy support in the battleforce

The nightscythe can be made into a Doomscythe though.

EDIT - On current speculation that is.

King Pariah wrote:I'm going to stick with my guess that the battleforce will contain roughly:

10 Warriors
3 scarab swarms
5 immortals
3 destroyers
1 nightscythe as I really doubt the ghost/doomsday ark would be in it as I can't see GW putting in something that could be heavy support in the battleforce

Going to be 8/12/16 warriors and 2/3/4 Scarab swarms as the warriors sprues are 4 warriors and a scarab swarm. I can see it being:
12 Warriors
3 Scarab Swarms
5 Immortals
3 Destroyers (if they don't get an update, if they do then another 5 Immortals)
And cost depending on the nightscythe one of them, but again I get the feeling it is going to be all current stuff

I didn't know warriors came 4 to a sprue. Huh.

Swara wrote:The nightscythe can be made into a Doomscythe though.

EDIT - On current speculation that is.

Their artwork indicates their overall shape design and size are SOO similar that I'd be seriously surprised if this wasn't true they will be a multi option kit.

I would actually like to see a Night Scythe kit for around $35-40 USD and a Doom Scythe kit for $40-$50 USD and here's why-

If they release it as a Night/Doom scythe combo kit there's no way it'll be cheaper than the ghost ark. At that point we're paying heavy tank prices (the DD ark) for a skimmer transport (Ghost).

If the night/doom scythe kit follows the same pattern, it'll cost $300 USD plus tax just to field 6 AV11 transports. At $35 a box like rhinos, it's only $210 for the same number of vehicles.


Obviously GW prices their stuff so high that only morons like me buy it anyway, but i'm still crossing my fingers and hoping for a two box release instead of one split box.

BUT, if you are able to model them in such a way that they could be a Night Scythe OR a Doom Scythe you are getting two vehicles for the price of one.

tetrisphreak wrote:If the night/doom scythe kit follows the same pattern, it'll cost $300 USD plus tax just to field 6 AV11 transports. At $35 a box like rhinos, it's only $210 for the same number of vehicles.

You realize this is actually supporting evidence for them to be a multi-kit

Oh trust me I'm well aware of what will likely transpire.

I'm betting against the spread here.

Well, if Tomb Blade models are on the way (and I hope they are), perhaps Battleforce will consist of:

12x Warriors
5x Immortals / Deathmarks
3x Scarab Swarm
3x Tomb Blade

Kinda more like DE Battleforce, with bikes I mean...

Something to consider is, while battleforces generally have 4 units, the only other army with a plastic swarm integrated into another units sprue - Tyranids - doesn't count the Ripper swarms as part of the 4 units. So expect 4 + the scarab bases.

24 Warriors + 6 Scarab bases than?
(old Battleforce had 28 + 7)

-Loki- wrote:Something to consider is, while battleforces generally have 4 units, the only other army with a plastic swarm integrated into another units sprue - Tyranids - doesn't count the Ripper swarms as part of the 4 units. So expect 4 + the scarab bases.

They could include 20 warriors, 5 Immortals and a Ghost Ark and charge Tyranid battleforce price for it (though it wouldn't be quite as good a value).

Hmm ... well assuming I can beat other people to my FLGS, maybe pick 1 or 2 battle forces up ... any of the rumored battle forces.

I'm going to buy at least $100 worth or wraiths right off, for my escalation league army. After that? It'll depend on what's in the Battleforce.

I'm in the process of converting the Dark Eldar Jetbikes into Tomb Blades. Would you guys say both kits would cost about the same and have the same amount of models? I'd hate to think I've been buying more expensive stuff the whole time...

SoulGazer wrote:I'm in the process of converting the Dark Eldar Jetbikes into Tomb Blades. Would you guys say both kits would cost about the same and have the same amount of models? I'd hate to think I've been buying more expensive stuff the whole time...

I don't know... I could see Tomb Blades going individual plastic boxes for $20 (like destroyers).

Anpu-adom wrote:

SoulGazer wrote:I'm in the process of converting the Dark Eldar Jetbikes into Tomb Blades. Would you guys say both kits would cost about the same and have the same amount of models? I'd hate to think I've been buying more expensive stuff the whole time...

I don't know... I could see Tomb Blades going individual plastic boxes for $20 (like destroyers).

I don't think they are that big though. I could see 40-45 for a box of 3.

Swara wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:

SoulGazer wrote:I'm in the process of converting the Dark Eldar Jetbikes into Tomb Blades. Would you guys say both kits would cost about the same and have the same amount of models? I'd hate to think I've been buying more expensive stuff the whole time...

I don't know... I could see Tomb Blades going individual plastic boxes for $20 (like destroyers).

I don't think they are that big though. I could see 40-45 for a box of 3.

Basic Tomb Blade, plus the three weapons, plus the three upgrades... there's plenty there to model and fill out destroyer sized sprues. I hope that they aren't! I hope that 3 or even 5 of them come in a box for less than $50. I could see them going the 1 for $20 way, though.

I'm wondering when Forgeworld will get around to releasing some more Necron goodness.

Tomb Stalker makes me drool and the Pylon is... interesting. What else would you like to see Forgeworld make?

Anpu-adom wrote:What else would you like to see Forgeworld make?

C'tan Shards.

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm wondering when Forgeworld will get around to releasing some more Necron goodness.

Tomb Stalker makes me drool and the Pylon is... interesting. What else would you like to see Forgeworld make?

The Flayed Lord with a rule set.

Megalith!

Megalith is mentioned in the codex so i could see it happening

I'd love to see the flayed lord and him give a boost to flayed ones on the field... maybe they'd sell some flayed ones models then

i would love to see more necron goodness from forgeworld, and some updated Apoc rules from GW for the necrons.

Cryage wrote:Megalith is mentioned in the codex so i could see it happening

I'd love to see the flayed lord and him give a boost to flayed ones on the field... maybe they'd sell some flayed ones models then

Besides being mentioned in codex, they're in the every box cover:

Anpu-adom wrote:What else would you like to see Forgeworld make?

With the fluff shift, the door is WIDE open for unlimited creation of special characters and special royal courts. There is certainly room for them to make some cool Cryptek models too as we have very little variance in this area currently.

I'd personally like to see something worth while to take in the elite slot, all our most useful units are heavy or fast. Maybe a combat variant of the Triarch Stalker, like a baby Tomb Stalker.

True. I'm converting 5 different Crypteks myself (one for each conclave) but would love to see 5 custom models with full WYSIWYG made by Forge World.

A creepy, shrouded Harbinger of Despair with replaceable cloth representing shroud and veil... Harbinger of Destruction with Solar Pulse in hand etc...
Would be sooo cool Beside that - I'd love to see other C'tan Shard models (matching the ones we already have in style and feeling) and some more WYSWIG Lords and Overlords.

Nothing FW offers has really tempted me in the past...if they made Crypteks, Lords, and C'tan, I would likely send my paycheck over directly.

Really, you could convert most of their monsters into C'tan. But yeah, I'm hoping against hope that IA:12 is The Fall of Damnos....it'll be a cold day in hell, but I'm hoping anyway.

Okay, looking at Illuminator Seras, I would have suggested make his delicate pointed legs out of plastic, finecast so far has proven a tad delicate for such a model, I feel he will get less use for fear of snapping off the legs, unless a rod is set from base to his body to help- support him. I have had to repair, pin and or replace parts of warscythes on my lords with plastic warscythe staves as the fisncast is fragile at smaller diameters as the legs of the illuminator happen to be.

Maelstrom808 wrote:Really, you could convert most of their monsters into C'tan. But yeah, I'm hoping against hope that IA:12 is The Fall of Damnos....it'll be a cold day in hell, but I'm hoping anyway.

Maybe not 12, but depending on how popular the Release was, I can totally see them doing an IA book someday.

Cyrax wrote:

Cryage wrote:Megalith is mentioned in the codex so i could see it happening

I'd love to see the flayed lord and him give a boost to flayed ones on the field... maybe they'd sell some flayed ones models then

Besides being mentioned in codex, they're in the every box cover:

I didnt even notice that! Good eye!

Sasori wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:Really, you could convert most of their monsters into C'tan. But yeah, I'm hoping against hope that IA:12 is The Fall of Damnos....it'll be a cold day in hell, but I'm hoping anyway.

Maybe not 12, but depending on how popular the Release was, I can totally see them doing an IA book someday.

I don't think a Necron based book is out of the question, but I doubt it would be Damnos. I just have a feeling they wouldn't do a book where the Ultramarines are the primary Imperial force. I'd like to see it as the novel really only goes into the first part of the battle, and the rest is left to a few bits out of the BRB and the imagination. I want to see how it played out.

NecronLord3 wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:I'm wondering when Forgeworld will get around to releasing some more Necron goodness.

Tomb Stalker makes me drool and the Pylon is... interesting. What else would you like to see Forgeworld make?

The Flayed Lord with a rule set.

I never really thought about that before, but that sounds awesome.

Flayed Ones as troops and creepy special powers.

I think that it would be fun to have a 'Scarab Lord' who would mess with the FOC. It would be a very different army if scarabs could be taken as troop choice (still wouldn't be scoring, however). Maybe allow Wraiths or Spyders to be elites as well.

Can you imagine an army made up of only spiders, scarabs, and wraiths? What more could you want?

One Lord
60 Scarabs
18 Wraiths
9 Spyders...
What an army!

Granted, he'd need to be like the contest winner from Beasts Of War, a total BA in combat.

Anpu-adom wrote:I think that it would be fun to have a 'Scarab Lord' who would mess with the FOC. It would be a very different army if scarabs could be taken as troop choice (still wouldn't be scoring, however). Maybe allow Wraiths or Spyders to be elites as well.

Can you imagine an army made up of only spiders, scarabs, and wraiths? What more could you want?

Lore wise it would be cool. The scarabs, wraths, spyders, and pretorians(sp?) were the only ones that weren't alseep as they maintained the tomb worlds. It could be a defensive, first response kind of army.

Call the 'Lord' a Canoptek Overmind or something- it'd be a use for the Tomb Stalker model.

If it comes from the Fall of Damnos, Ankh would fit beautifully in that role.

I would love a necron imperial armour book, but Damn, with the Smurfs..... maybe not.

Blackhoof wrote:I would love a necron imperial armour book, but Damn, with the Smurfs..... maybe not.

Yeah.. but you get to kill smurfs and win. : D

So White Dwarf comes out the last Friday of the month, doesn't it? Should we be expecting a leak of the pages any day now?

whoadirty wrote:So White Dwarf comes out the last Friday of the month, doesn't it? Should we be expecting a leak of the pages any day now?

God, I hope so. Cant stop checking the forum from my phone:p

jspyd3rx wrote:

whoadirty wrote:So White Dwarf comes out the last Friday of the month, doesn't it? Should we be expecting a leak of the pages any day now?

God, I hope so. Cant stop checking the forum from my phone:p

Yeah, I had the same problem then my phone ran out of credit.

wish they hadn't scrapped the back page/cover 'reveal' in WD...

yeah, that was a good feature. And they used to have a little paragraph and picture in the first few pages that gave a preview two months ahead.

Makes me sad.. I'm waiting impatiently for jets..

Second wave allready? is this really credible? maybe they pushed it up the schedule duo to great sales..

either way im excited will be cool to see how they handle the flyer and stalker.

tarnish wrote:Second wave allready? is this really credible? maybe they pushed it up the schedule duo to great sales..

either way im excited will be cool to see how they handle the flyer and stalker.

DE had a second wave about as quickly.

Brother SRM wrote:

tarnish wrote:Second wave allready? is this really credible? maybe they pushed it up the schedule duo to great sales..

either way im excited will be cool to see how they handle the flyer and stalker.

DE had a second wave about as quickly.

As a comparison - which DE models were added in their 2nd wave?
Also, was there DE 3rd wave? As of now, they only seem to be missing few Named Chars and the bomber vehicle.
Hope Necrons will get ALL their remaining unit models soon, don't care about Failcast characters too much tho.

So thumbs up for Scythes, Stalker, Tomb Blades and Wraith/Spyders...

DE second wave awful. In Februrary, they got

Succubus
Beastmaster
Kyhmera
Clawed Fiend
Razorwing Flock

All metal, all expensive. They did share the month with another army, though I forget which.

The third wave was in June, which saw the release of:

Venom
Razorwing
Scourges
Talos
Wracks
Grotesques
Generic Haemonculous

Much better. They also recieved a pair of the Archon's court in like August and September but that doesn't really count.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They also recieved a pair of the Archon's court in like August and September but that doesn't really count.

Actually, I think all four models of the court are out now. I don't remember if they were all together or dribbled out, though.

As for court - I actually remember there were released in 2 separate months - each time 2 models from court.

Got a look at the new WD. Turns out the original rumour was quite close:

Captain Ventris wrote:Also release of a Battleforce consisting of the following:
- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Actually there are 20 warriors, 5 scarab bases, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks and 1 Ghost/Doom Ark. battleforce costs 85 €.

Thats definitely something I would be willing to get!

1 1/2 warrior boxes
a Immortals box
and a Ghost ark

That's $135 msrp worth of models for $110. Not bad... so we are getting our battle force in Feb?

25th February release.

$88 from the discount places is really nice!

Kroothawk wrote:25th February release.

That's for Battleforce only, right? No word on other new Necron releases at the same time?

That is a really nice army to start off with... all you need to do is add/convert a lord.

$110 for a battle force
$33 for a Command Barge (still the best deal)

And you'd have a HQ, 2 units of troops, a unit of elites, a unit of FA, and a heavy support (I come up with 800 points).

Herr Dexter wrote:That's for Battleforce only, right? No word on other new Necron releases at the same time?

Right. This is a LOTR month. No Tyranid or Necron second wave in February.

Kroothawk wrote:Got a look at the new WD. Turns out the original rumour was quite close:

Captain Ventris wrote:Also release of a Battleforce consisting of the following:
- 16 warriors
- 4 scarab bases
- 5 Immortals/Deathmarks
- 1 Ghost/Doom ark

Actually there are 20 warriors, 5 scarab bases, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks and 1 Ghost/Doom Ark. battleforce costs 85 €.

Hurray, yes one of those please GW, and i'm getting more warriors than I thought I might.

Kroothawk wrote:

Herr Dexter wrote:That's for Battleforce only, right? No word on other new Necron releases at the same time?

Right. This is a LOTR month. No Tyranid or Necron second wave in February.

At least we got a neat battleforce... Thanks for keeping us up to date, Kroot

real nice battle force, better than the VC one

5 scarabs,hell yeah!

Anpu-adom wrote:That is a really nice army to start off with... all you need to do is add/convert a lord. $110 for a battle force $33 for a Command Barge (still the best deal) And you'd have a HQ, 2 units of troops, a unit of elites, a unit of FA, and a heavy support (I come up with 800 points)

Or even five Troops (four squads of five Warriors and one squad of five Immortals) and no Elites.

Points-wise for what you get in that battleforce, it's really hard to beat!

As before, the Necron battlefore seems to be one of the best deals that GW offers.

azazel the cat wrote:As before, the Necron battlefore seems to be one of the best deals that GW offers.

It really is. It's a shame I don't need any of those models!

I'm going to need one more box of Immortals and another Arc for sure.
So I'm kinda wondering how much do I need those 2 Warrior teams and Scarabs
Got about 14 more Warrs still in sprues / 20 painted. And I mostly use Immortals nowdays...

^same

though you can always trade/sell the Warriors...

and you can never have too many scarabs, even if you just use them as basing

I don't need any of those models. but I'm getting a Battleforce, just for the DD ark.

@MattKingsley No way ya can get too many scarabs. 10 base squad, 50 attacks on the charge. Escape that, LR!

Scarabs are one of (if not the best) units in the necron 'dex

although template totling tanks and whacking walkers kill them easily

damn vunrable to blasts/templates and instant death rules

Battle Box from a discount seller = about $90 US

Sell 5x Scarab Bases on eBay @ $4 per base = about $20 US

Retail cost of Ghost/Doomsday Ark + Immortals/Deathmarks = $83 US

Thus, the net cost of 20 Warriors = about $ -7.00 US



You just cannot beat that deal.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scarabs are one of (if not the best) units in the necron 'dex

although template totling tanks and whacking walkers kill them easily

damn vunrable to blasts/templates and instant death rules

Considering their price that's hardly a weakness compared to other troops. consider what you get when buying a chaos space marine. now compare it to the scarab. id say your well off.

tarnish wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Scarabs are one of (if not the best) units in the necron 'dex

although template totling tanks and whacking walkers kill them easily

damn vunrable to blasts/templates and instant death rules

Considering their price that's hardly a weakness compared to other troops. consider what you get when buying a chaos space marine. now compare it to the scarab. id say your well off.

In the leak, scarabs are going to be immune to instant death caused by double strength weapons. Blasts will still double them, and str 9 will also double them. No word if you will 'double the double' if it is going to be applied or not.

Blasts have ID(2) vs Scarabs in the leak. Therefore anything s7 and lower will strip 2 wounds off of a base for every unsaved wound. s8 strips 3, s9 strips 4, and s10 strips a whopping 5 wounds for every unsaved wound (as long as they're blast weapons). A s10 ap1 railgun, on the other hand, is not blast so therefore doesn't circumvent the ID(1) the swarms have, and will only take 1 wound off a base for an unsaved wound. Same goes to the blendernauts that blood angels love so much. they'll probably still kill a swath of bases, but not like now.


Also everybody talking about the battleforce: How many scarabs do YOU put on your bases? I only use 3 per base, as opposed to the GW standard 4. Therefore what is 5 bases in the battleforce is 20 little scarabs - that's 6 bases of 3 scarabs plus another base of 2 for 7 playable scarab swarms (or 20 if you just put one swarm per base but that doesn't look as good on the table). Just a little point i wanted to make.

tetrisphreak wrote:Blasts have ID(2) vs Scarabs in the leak. Therefore anything s7 and lower will strip 2 wounds off of a base for every unsaved wound. s8 strips 3, s9 strips 4, and s10 strips a whopping 5 wounds for every unsaved wound (as long as they're blast weapons). A s10 ap1 railgun, on the other hand, is not blast so therefore doesn't circumvent the ID(1) the swarms have, and will only take 1 wound off a base for an unsaved wound. Same goes to the blendernauts that blood angels love so much. they'll probably still kill a swath of bases, but not like now.


Also everybody talking about the battleforce: How many scarabs do YOU put on your bases? I only use 3 per base, as opposed to the GW standard 4. Therefore what is 5 bases in the battleforce is 20 little scarabs - that's 6 bases of 3 scarabs plus another base of 2 for 7 playable scarab swarms (or 20 if you just put one swarm per base but that doesn't look as good on the table). Just a little point i wanted to make.

Started to model mine with 3 on their base - three wounds means three on a base - makes more sense if you ask me.

As for the battleforce, I'm pretty excited that we're getting a full unit of warriors. That will help my army a lot.

3/base is definitely the way to go. If I were running a full-on Scarab farm (requiring 60+ bases), I'd probably mix in some 2/base swarms to save money...

Battleforce looks like a good value. Wish I had any use for it, but such is the fate of early adopters...

Those warriors in the new Battleforce are fodder for a lot of conversions.

I used to run 4/base, but I have since switched to 3/base. I even made a set of 'wound counters', a base with just 2 and a base with just 1.

Aye, but nothing can be perfect (swarms vs templates), its GW after all

Ehh i don't mind that battleforce box, if only for the cheaper Ghost arc. If you buy that and the CCB your set for low point games. Like everyone else I am just waiting for the Second wave, without the Wraiths and spiders my Necron army isn't doing to great on the TT tbh. I am new to 40k and it does seem strange for a company to release the 'better' units months after the relaunch of a army.

Nakor The BlueRider wrote:Ehh i don't mind that battleforce box, if only for the cheaper Ghost arc. If you buy that and the CCB your set for low point games. Like everyone else I am just waiting for the Second wave, without the Wraiths and spiders my Necron army isn't doing to great on the TT tbh. I am new to 40k and it does seem strange for a company to release the 'better' units months after the relaunch of a army.

Indeed, it's like they are hoping that people will buy the parts to make conversions AND THEN buy the actual model when it comes out.

Oh, on the new Forgeworld thread, they are releasing scarab swarms. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/425951.page

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

I do like how they looks more or less.. BUT.

It comes to $26.00 for those 12 scarabs from FW.

For $28.00 I can buy a warrior box with 12 warriors AND 12 scarabs.

For ~23 dollars I can buy 30 scarabs from Puppetswar

As models they are not too bad, but I definitely prefer the old scarabs. And of course I would rather buy a box of Warriors (you can never have enough of them) and get the scarabs along with them.
Still, these do remind me more of ants rather than scarabs. But I guess they're ok.

NecronLord3 wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

Do they expect to sell those Scarabs? As pointed out they aren't cost effective and are butt ugly. Some people on ebay are making a killing on selling GW scarabs.

By the way, I wrecked a Leman Russ just a couple of hours ago with my Scarabs... Such fun!

angelshade00 wrote:By the way, I wrecked a Leman Russ just a couple of hours ago with my Scarabs... Such fun!

And I ate a razorback (stunned), Dreadnaught (also stunned) and a Drop pod with mine
Trolling Smurfs is fun!

those scarabs look like the old metal ones, uhg... .

Matt.Kingsley wrote:those scarabs look like the old metal ones, uhg... .

But wait!!! They have long THIN legs... and their stands are longer and more forward.

I'm surprised that the Necron FAQ hasn't been linked... or did I miss it?

I'm surprised that the Necron FAQ hasn't been linked... or did I miss it?

I'm surprised every time a question like this gets posted instead of:
1) Going to the GW website and finding the desired FAQ and
2) Posting the link to it if moved to do so.

For the record, there was a thread about the new FAQs when they first hit the GW website about 10 days ago just as one would expect.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/423634.page

A question I've asked many times, do Dakka users ever actually go to the GW website?
FAQ PAGE: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=600005&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=1000004-gws

To round off the day, we thought it would be a good time to mention that the Warhammer 40,000 Shrine of Knowledge has been updated. Pretty much every army in there has a new update, which includes frequently asked questions and errata. The really big news though, is that the Necrons now also have their own page, which includes their first FAQ for the new Codex: Necrons. To make it easy for you to see the changes all the changes are marked in pink. Well, except for the Necron page, because everything is new. And they don't like pink...

So if you're heading to a tournament soon, or you've got a game lined up for the weekend, then make sure you head over to the Shrine of Knowledge and check out the changes - no one wants to be caught out by a tricksie opponent with an FAQ that they haven't read yet.

Shrine of Knowledge Link:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/articleCategory.jsp?communityArticleCatId=1000018&articleCatId=1000018&catId=cat440134a§ion=

No i was just saying that I would have thought a link to the FAQ would have been posted here. I already knew it was up on GW, I was just surprised it wasn't up on this thread.

And besides, I was on mobile when I posted that, kinda hard to copy and paste a link on mobile.

People don't like those? They are so much better than the GW scarabs. They represent the art infinitely more and actually look like they pose a threat. Plus articulated legs.

NecronLord3 wrote:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/NECRON_SCARABS_SWARM.html

Forgeworld is releasing new Scarabs but a) they are hideous and b). It's about the same price American to buy a box of warriors for the same price as these butt ugly FW scarab swarms. Epic fail Forge World!

Space Cockroaches! They run away when you flip on the lights

I actually really like those sculpts... they look far more spider-ish, and less adorable than the current Scarabs. The old metal ones just looked like lazy sculpts to begin with.

I truly dislike the price of those Scarabs, though. At first glance, my brain immediately jumped to converting an HQ to have those Scarabs crawling over him, but unfortunately, that cost is prohibitive.

They look terrible and, as stated above, for a couple quid, I can get 12 Warriors aswell

IHateNids wrote:They look terrible and, as stated above, for a couple quid, I can get 12 Warriors as well

ABSOLUTELY agree. The existing Scarabs, though a bit simplistic (to make them one-piece, and easy to attach to the Warrior sprues, I imagine) are really nicely designed, I think. IMO, they also, like nearly all of the 2nd version releases (plastic Warriors, Destroyers, Immortals, Tomb Spyders, etc.) fit very well in to the overall design sensibility so beautifully created by Jes Goodwyn, circa 2000.

These guys not only look like an only half-way decent 3rd-party resin kit, but they also do not harmonize with the current range. They clash with the plastic Warriors-era releases and the newer ones, all of which manage to integrate well into the Goodwyn aesthetic while still branching out in some more decorative--even baroque--directions.

And, of course, that doesn't even address the cost issue. Personally, I think 75% of FW stuff is overpriced, but cool designs. Might buy it if I was rich. About 20% I think is pricey, but only slightly pricier than GW kits, and cool enough to justify the premium (not for a whole army, but for a special character, command vehicle, accessories for a command squad, etc.) The remaining 5% I think looks terrible, (like this release) and I'm stunned that people buy them at all.

-C6

I actually love the FW Scarabs and will get at least one set to mix with all my GW and Puppetswar Scarabs!

I got a chance to look at the White Dwarf today and I was glad to see that the Necron Battleforce is in indeed 20 Warriors, 5 Scarabs, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks, and a Ghost Ark!

Thanks dude for putting all of this here.

Red Comet wrote:I got a chance to look at the White Dwarf today and I was glad to see that the Necron Battleforce is in indeed 20 Warriors, 5 Scarabs, 5 Immortals/Deathmarks, and a Ghost Ark!

Yes, GW, I'll have a one of those please. (even though I'll get it at a discount shop, and already have 3000pts of newcrons, but I want another Ark)

More warriors! Bah! I already have 70. I guess these aren't made for existing Cron players.

I'm only going to keep them in the hopes that 6th edition troop spam turns out to be made of win

I dunno...
2 20 man Blob Squads each with a res-orb lord will be b*tches to kill

IHateNids wrote:I dunno...
2 20 man Blob Squads each with a res-orb lord will be b*tches to kill

Until they get into the CC with an enemy assault unit.

still. 23 attacks, 3 of which are power that have a habit of coming back... even an ork mob would struggle, especially if the necrons got a shooting phase before the assault began.

23 attacks iff you don't lose any of your models to your enemy, which would usually strike first because you have an int of 2. Also 20 gauss flayer means nothing when your enemy has FNP, is moving in cover or can transport his/her force to you easily (trukk, etc.). 20 Warrior blob is a weird mixture of anvil and bait, it has its uses but don't expect it to survive a proper CC.

I didn't say or implie that they'd survive. They'll tie up the opponant long enough for some lychguard to arrive. (with 4+ invun, some of them'll survive, even vs power weps)

I don't think they can last enough to tie an opponent. Then again different people different tactics. I've just wanted to say that it wouldn't be b*tches to kill.

well, depends who they'd be attempting to tie, right? Abbadon & Co, wouldn't survive the round. Tau Kroot, yeah, at least two rounds.

But yeah different people different tactics

Darnok over at Warseer posted this from an anonymous source:

The already "known" Necron wave was confirmed: 2 flyers, the big walker, the jet bikes, Wraiths and Spiders. I quote: "The wraiths and spiders did NOT look like a dual kit".

So ALL missing units were confirmed - nice! Hope blades, wraiths and spiders won't be 1-per-box. Thumbs up for 3-box (or 5box for blades).

If wraiths and spiders come 3 to a box, they will likely cost as much as a monolith... Which is actually not THAT bad. Id prefer ghost ark pricing

Considering Fantasy has been doing a lot of "3 bigger dudes to a box" with the Tomb Kings and the Vargheists for Vampire Counts, I'd expect a box of 3 wraiths to be a certain possibility. They've all been priced around $60 though. As for Tomb Blades, they're bikes if I'm correct? Bikes have been 3 to a box for around $40 for a while now.

Brother SRM wrote:Considering Fantasy has been doing a lot of "3 bigger dudes to a box" with the Tomb Kings and the Vargheists for Vampire Counts, I'd expect a box of 3 wraiths to be a certain possibility. They've all been priced around $60 though. As for Tomb Blades, they're bikes if I'm correct? Bikes have been 3 to a box for around $40 for a while now.

I agree. haveing them as singles was just dumb. reminds me of tau suits. To dam expensive for a single model!

It's why I'm very hopeful for a 3 Crisis/Broadside box. They can do it with kans, they can do it with suits!

That'd be an empty bank account on my part for sure

Kroothawk, does it still look like a March release from what your hearing?

Wow I really dont have any real input just am amazed that this thread is still going strong with over 200 hundred pages.....it is as undieing as the necron themselves.

damn right, and march is what i heard too.

ceorron wrote:Kroothawk, does it still look like a March release from what your hearing?

Tyranids seem March, Necrons anytime between March and May, maybe even March and May. No rumours to get more precise currently.

I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

What is SW wave 2? Thunderwolves, a Special Character... and what else?

H.B.M.C. wrote:What is SW wave 2? Thunderwolves, a Special Character... and what else?

For SW, I think actual TW is the only thing needed for a 2nd wave

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

People keep saying that. Said it with Dark Eldar too.

And things need to be hashed out in the Chapterhouse lawsuit (aka, GW needs the right to be able to create TW and various Nid models) before those guys can get a wave 2.

I love it... GW needs permission to create models based on it's own IP that doesn't violate the copyright on Chapterhouse's work... classic. But I don't buy it.

Nids early March, necrons and IG sometime in March as well. Probably later in the month.

Anvildude wrote:And things need to be hashed out in the Chapterhouse lawsuit (aka, GW needs the right to be able to create TW and various Nid models) before those guys can get a wave 2.

Yes. But to that point, had GW released these kits in a timely fashion chapterhouse would not have been able to make a tervigon conversion kit in the first place.

I think that a Carnifex/Tyrranofex/Tervigon box would have or would be well appreciated by many. That's all three in one, not one each.

Defeatmyarmy wrote:I am seriously doubtful gw will release necron wave 2 before tyranids and sw wave 2 as they have been needing wave 2 for so much longer

You say that like GW will ever release a Tyranid model again.

The only Wolf models could be Thunderwolves, Fenrisian Wolves, and some special characters. Not quite a wave per se.

Not to mention Necrons are missing crucial models (Wraiths, Spiders, Stalker, transport) , and SW only lack like 2 units who are more of flavor than "must have" componet to their army.

but on that note, people will argue Ghost Arks are the transports.

But we NEED wraiths