NAVARRO wrote: Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.
Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.
For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!
NAVARRO wrote: Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.
Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.
For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!
I have half a Nighthaunt army XD Fragile stuff!
I get the feeling AoS 3 is going to be the spear/pike edition.
NAVARRO wrote: Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.
Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.
For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!
*Glares at Hexwraiths*
I am still really surprised people don't talk more about what a nightmare the entire Nighthaunt line is to build tbh, especially if you want to fill in the gaps left everywhere. They were really a bad choice for a starter box army.
I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?
Rihgu wrote: Amazing. 3.0 isn't even out yet and there's a universal battalion to ignore monster rampages!
These battleplans see you fight your way through Ghur, a land that is nearly as carnivorous as the creatures that inhabit it. You can use any of the core battalions featured in the Core Book in these battleplans, or you can choose from a pair of core battalions designed specifically for the General’s Handbook – the Alpha-beast Pack and the Hunters of the Heartlands. Each comes complete with its own unique battalion ability to reflect the hard-won experience of its constituent units.
Wording suggests that battleplans dictate what battalions can or cannot be used.
Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?
We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!
Rihgu wrote: Amazing. 3.0 isn't even out yet and there's a universal battalion to ignore monster rampages!
These battleplans see you fight your way through Ghur, a land that is nearly as carnivorous as the creatures that inhabit it. You can use any of the core battalions featured in the Core Book in these battleplans, or you can choose from a pair of core battalions designed specifically for the General’s Handbook – the Alpha-beast Pack and the Hunters of the Heartlands. Each comes complete with its own unique battalion ability to reflect the hard-won experience of its constituent units.
Wording suggests that battleplans dictate what battalions can or cannot be used.
Or its a simple background blurp about the story being told in the set of missions in the book and has 0 impact on the actual rules.
How could realm-specific battalions tied to the mission possibly work? You don't know the realm and mission you're playing until you get to the table, at which point it's too late to redo your battalions?
Unless it's like the old system where you just choose what realm your army is from as part of army creation, in which case it isn't really a limitation, it's just a choice.
lord_blackfang wrote: I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?
Nothing, you never needed the core book. Only rubes and people that buy the starter box get the BRB.
You don't know much about AoS for someone who spends a lot of time in the AoS rumors thread.
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Kanluwen wrote: Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?
We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!
And a lot of people, especially in North America, have been ignoring them or house ruling them down to being actually usable (eliminating the need for purchase because they have to be printed in the mission packet).
Again, dude seems to know next to nothing about how sigmar works for how much time he spends here.
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yukishiro1 wrote: How could realm-specific battalions tied to the mission possibly work? You don't know the realm and mission you're playing until you get to the table, at which point it's too late to redo your battalions?
Unless it's like the old system where you just choose what realm your army is from as part of army creation, in which case it isn't really a limitation, it's just a choice.
Realm rules don't work full stop. They never have and they never will. They only stick around because AoS has a more fluff-side mentality than 40k so they're fine with rules like 'roll a 4 at the start of the game and nothing can run! Yes, even if your opponent is 60 sentinels Lumineth!'
NAVARRO wrote: Humm I wonder when they eventually release the Stormcast as individual kits if theres an option to ditch the plastic spears, that make the model a pain to store or handle, for swords instead, I would be in for that.
Depending on prices I will be only getting the shield boys and yndrasta on eBay.
For goodness sake don't start collecting a Nighthaunt army - you'll go up the wall!
*Glares at Hexwraiths*
I am still really surprised people don't talk more about what a nightmare the entire Nighthaunt line is to build tbh, especially if you want to fill in the gaps left everywhere. They were really a bad choice for a starter box army.
I had to sculpt full capes and hoods to cover the gaps, the idea of easy build is great for building fast but when you are left with huge gaps then you need to bring your A game at sculpting clothes. These are not easy at all. I spent ages just cleaning the minis.
I hope the ones on this starter are a bit less crude once assembled.
I get the feeling AoS 3 is going to be the spear/pike edition.
To be fair a spike snapped off my Knight-Azyros the other day. "Noooooooooooooo!".
It honestly don't get any easier with their models.
I know man and its the reason Im still avoiding the new skellies, I keep hearing so many bad reports about fragility. I tend to convert or simply cut out the bits I know that will snap when I sneeze. As technology advances for casting I see these designs becoming more and more fragile. Ok for display but not ideal for slapping some paint and run some casual games.
Speaking of games how many books do we need to get? Just free rules and army book right?
Kanluwen wrote: Do you ever have anything useful to contribute to these threads?
We've had Realm-specific rules since day one for AoS. Realm-specific relics, spells, and terrain modifiers all existed before now. Battalions are potentially a new thing but oh no whatever shall we do!
And a lot of people, especially in North America, have been ignoring them or house ruling them down to being actually usable (eliminating the need for purchase because they have to be printed in the mission packet).
Again, dude seems to know next to nothing about how sigmar works for how much time he spends here.
Saying they exist isn't the same thing as saying they're used. I can understand how that would be hard for you though.
I'm well aware that most people tended to ignore/house rule them. Just like I tend to ignore people who try to act like someone's post alone is the summation of all their knowledge on a subject.
So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?
stahly wrote: So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?
Unless there's something we don't know about in the Core Rules (we've not seen the Table of Contents yet) probably not.
stahly wrote: So with the General's Handbook including the core rules, is there actually any need to get the core book if you're just interested in matched play / pitched battles?
You'd be missing out on the Excellent Lore, Best Ever Development of Our Exciting Universe!
lord_blackfang wrote: I was going to bring up how fethed it is to require a second mandatory book purchase to get into the next edition (and be shouted down by the fanboys)... but with the core rules in the GHB, can the Rulebook be skipped? What do you lose except the fluff?
Nothing, you never needed the core book. Only rubes and people that buy the starter box get the BRB.
As well as people who want Path to Glory. Path to Glory is not going to be in GHB.
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mokoshkana wrote: So from the spell list above, are we thinking Balewind is now gone?
It is very likely gone as it hasn't been available for some time now.
Hm, interesting that it is just rules for Ghur. That could be cool with them using the space to give a really fleshed-out set of rules. I like the ones previewed, and a battalion to give counter-play to monstrous rampages is a great way to offset monster-buffing rules.
Do we know if core battalions cost points or not?
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Togusa wrote: If it cripples you, you're a bad player. Not a victim.
Literally have NEVER had the DT cause me any issues. Positioning! AoS players need to learn it! This game isn't the easy-peasy 40K child rules, you're in Big Boy town when you come to an AoS table.
No, if it doesn't cripple you your opponent is a bad player. If you get a 1-2 double and can't secure the win then either you screwed up hard or had some serious luck/listbuiling against you. If you've actually never had doubles cause you issues that isn't because of your awesome skills; your opponents suck or their lists do.
Yeah, a good ranged list played by a competent player will ruthlessly exploit a T1 to T2 double turn and not give you a way back into the match unless they roll really badly.
What sort of person talks about positioning in a game where basically all the powerful ranged lists have threat ranges that cover essentially the entire table, and in which cover basically doesn't exist except as an occasional bonus to saving throws?
If you get DTed from T1 to T2 by LRL, Tzeentch, Seraphon, or KO...you will lose 80% of the time, because you will go into the second half of T2 with half of your army or less.
The only faction for which positioning can really give you a chance against a ranged list DTing you on T1 and T2 is Deepkin.
yukishiro1 wrote: Yeah, a good ranged list played by a competent player will ruthlessly exploit a T1 to T2 double turn and not give you a way back into the match unless they roll really badly.
What sort of person talks about positioning in a game where basically all the powerful ranged lists have threat ranges that cover essentially the entire table, and in which cover basically doesn't exist except as an occasional bonus to saving throws?
If you get DTed from T1 to T2 by LRL, Tzeentch, Seraphon, or KO...you will lose 80% of the time, because you will go into the second half of T2 with half of your army or less.
The only faction for which positioning can really give you a chance against a ranged list DTing you on T1 and T2 is Deepkin.
Damn I love Deepkin, so happy I chose them. Awesome aesthetic, awesome rules. We just need more models.
Hanskrampf wrote: Ouch, reprinting the Core Rules to fill half the page count of the GHB and the warscrolls will be in the app. I'm seriously consider skipping it...
Core rules being there is a plus for me. No need to carry the brick. Plus scenarios.
Brick good for fluff reading at home, less convenient at carrying to games.
Preface: I have not played AOS since early release.
I have read the new "core" rules. 3.0 doesn't look any better to me. I want to be excited about this game, but geez.
Heroic actions and Monster rampages don't need to exist, there are better ways to make them more interesting/powerful.
Miscasts punish players for casting spells. I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells? Then there is the distinction without a difference between wizards and priests..... Way to waste space, and your time, rule team!
More battalions..... is this really better balanced, easier to comprehend, or even more flavorful than WHFB's Lord and Heroes, Core, Special and Rare with %s?
I have never read batch-rolling described in such a tortured manner.
I want to see the actual core rules, but this does not look like an edition that will get me playing AOS with any regularity.
Pet peeve: "wholly within" is pointless, GW! If you want units to be closer for an effect, shorten the distance it must be within!
Blastaar wrote: Pet peeve: "wholly within" is pointless, GW! If you want units to be closer for an effect, shorten the distance it must be within!
No it’s not; it prevents players spreading effects out by having one model in the zone and the rest of the unit strung out like washing on a line. Or getting more units into effective range by each one having a “tail” of a few models that stick into the range of the effect.
Of course they could replace both “within” and “wholly within” with a rule that measurements have to include 50+% of the unit and fix it entirely but as long as “within” just means the barest sliver of a fraction of one base out of thirty, wholly within is sometimes required.
Blastaar wrote: Preface: I have not played AOS since early release.
I have read the new "core" rules. 3.0 doesn't look any better to me. I want to be excited about this game, but geez.
Heroic actions and Monster rampages don't need to exist, there are better ways to make them more interesting/powerful.
They don't need to exist, no, but Monster Rampages do give you something else to do in your opponent's turn, so that's cool.
Miscasts punish players for casting spells. I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells? Then there is the distinction without a difference between wizards and priests..... Way to waste space, and your time, rule team!
Yes, in WHFB you could miscast.
There's some fairly large differences between wizards and priests that are easy to tell just by glancing at the rules. Not sure why you think there's no difference?
More battalions..... is this really better balanced, easier to comprehend, or even more flavorful than WHFB's Lord and Heroes, Core, Special and Rare with %s?
They do... entirely different things? The closest thing to WHFB's %s is the battleline requirements and behemoth/artillery/leader limits. Which, yes, those are much easier to comprehend. Not sure about flavorful (both limitations are equally unflavourful imho). Balance is scrummed out. All depends on how good your battleline are, honestly.
Pet peeve: "wholly within" is pointless, GW! If you want units to be closer for an effect, shorten the distance it must be within!
Okay so...ummm..within 1"?
You have any idea how far 60 models can be stringed out? Even with new coherency rule(that doesn't halve it) it's long time.
Within 1" results often enough LONGER reach than fully within 12".
Pointless? Lol. Maybe try rules before saying it's pointless?
Also saying priests and wizards are same...lol. guess you didn't even read them?
Btw here's riddle for you. If they are same why teclis and slann, 2 anti-wizard models extraordinary, have only kill the priest as anti-priest solution?
I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells?
WHFB had a table for the miscast result, some outcomes were bad, others horrific.
More battalions..... is this really better balanced, easier to comprehend, or even more flavorful than WHFB's Lord and Heroes, Core, Special and Rare with %s?
AoS still constrains you with the composition table. You can shuffle the units you've taken into these 'packages'. I don't find the bonuses to be flavourful, more resenting that the effects are burdensome to track and not exciting in the first place.
I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells?
WHFB had a table for the miscast result, some outcomes were bad, others horrific.
On the contrary, all of them were hilarious (Dwarf player).
As a fellow player, I'd like to note that miscast almost always meant that we couldn't dispel, even with a rune! So depending on the spell they cast, very funny (if they were trying to buff a unit and ended up exploding it instead) or very sad (purple sun of Xereus through your Hammerers with no chance to stop it!)
I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells?
WHFB had a table for the miscast result, some outcomes were bad, others horrific.
On the contrary, all of them were hilarious (Dwarf player).
Them being hilarious isn't mutually exclusive
It is amusing to see someone expressing concern over d3 MWs for a miscast when previously it was entirely in line for your wizard to instantly die and take a bunch of surrounding troops with him! The dichotomy of different perspectives.
I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells?
WHFB had a table for the miscast result, some outcomes were bad, others horrific.
More battalions..... is this really better balanced, easier to comprehend, or even more flavorful than WHFB's Lord and Heroes, Core, Special and Rare with %s?
AoS still constrains you with the composition table. You can shuffle the units you've taken into these 'packages'. I don't find the bonuses to be flavourful, more resenting that the effects are burdensome to track and not exciting in the first place.
The miscast table sounds familiar. How did miscasts occur? Did spells "overcharge" like TTW? I am curious if a choice was involved.
The composition table does create limits, and this is good. I think it can be better.
I find curious how AoS and 40K are pretty much overlapping rules currently: new rules in one system, implement them on the sister for their next major update edition, and vice versa.
CMLR wrote: I find curious how AoS and 40K are pretty much overlapping rules currently: new rules in one system, implement them on the sister for their next major update edition, and vice versa.
I did not have the chance to play WHFB, was there a possibility of miscasting on all spells?
WHFB had a table for the miscast result, some outcomes were bad, others horrific.
On the contrary, all of them were hilarious (Dwarf player).
My personal favorite (for obvious reasons) was the one about a clawed hand grabbing the offending wizard and dragging them into the Realm of Chaos to be 'instructed' by their new master.
How did miscasts occur? Did spells "overcharge" like TTW?
When you rolled ones, if memory serves. You could overcharge by opting to use more dice, but the effect was nothing similar to TWW. The more power (dice) you used, the harder it was for the opponent to dispel (RNG giving), naturally, along comes a higher chance to miscast (RNG taking).
when previously it was entirely in line for your wizard to instantly die and take a bunch of surrounding troops with him! The dichotomy of different perspectives.
+1 to cas/dispel was also considered a rubbish item for its points, while now it's rather decent. Probably because power stones don't exist ... for the moment.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
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Is it me or is the like/dislike ratio worse than usual
Nick's videos always have a larger amount of dislikes. It doesn't help his Battle Ready tutorials end up looking like "Painted my first mini" threads on Reddit.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
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Is it me or is the like/dislike ratio worse than usual
Nick's videos always have a larger amount of dislikes. It doesn't help his Battle Ready tutorials end up looking like "Painted my first mini" threads on Reddit.
CMLR wrote: I find curious how AoS and 40K are pretty much overlapping rules currently: new rules in one system, implement them on the sister for their next major update edition, and vice versa.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
Spoiler:
Is it me or is the like/dislike ratio worse than usual
Nick's videos always have a larger amount of dislikes. It doesn't help his Battle Ready tutorials end up looking like "Painted my first mini" threads on Reddit.
Are you saying his painting is a bit pants?
I don't know. I assume he must be half decent to get the job, since there wouldn't have been a lack of people applying for the chance to do painting tutorials for a living. It's just their Battle Ready tutorials now amount to "slap on a basepaint and put a wash over it. Now you're done!" Or even worse, Contrast. Nick seems to have joined around the time they stopped doing full in-depth tutorials.
My only complaint is sometimes he goes a bit overboard on how many paints he uses (53 paints on an Ogor is a bit excessive). Anyway I liked the Battle Ready tutorial I posted above because I wanted to see what the new paints actually look like. GW's paint swatches are a bit rubbish for seeing what the paint looks like.
Battle ready literally means base coat + wash, I dunno why a battle ready tutorial would be more than that?
Obviously a tutorial video of that isn't going to be terribly useful for anyone who has any experience painting, but that's not the intended audience. Their videos are aimed at people who have never painted before - maybe people who are doing it grudgingly to get the 10VP in 40k.
GW is smart enough to know it would only embarrass themselves to try to actually compete with all the really good painters who do youtube tutorials, so they don't even try.
yukishiro1 wrote: Battle ready literally means base coat + wash, I dunno why a battle ready tutorial would be more than that?
Obviously a tutorial video of that isn't going to be terribly useful for anyone who has any experience painting, but that's not the intended audience. Their videos are aimed at people who have never painted before - maybe people who are doing it grudgingly to get the 10VP in 40k.
GW is smart enough to know it would only embarrass themselves to try to actually compete with all the really good painters who do youtube tutorials, so they don't even try.
Technically, wouldn't you then need like uh, a whole one of those? Since it's so easy and doesn't really change no matter what the model actually is.
JohnnyHell wrote: Accessible tutorials are not a bad thing. Not everyone starts off with OSL, fine edge highlighting and NMM.
There are lots of ways to paint, don’t be an elitist about it.
I'm the first person to defend Duncan's painting tutorials when people call them 'basic', so I'm far from an elitist about painting tutorials. The problem is they already had accessible tutorials... and they binned them to make the Battle Ready(tm) tripe. What made them so good is that they were accessible but finished (at least by Duncan and usually Peachy's hand) with a result that somebody could look at and go, "Wow that looks so good, but the tutorial was so simple, maybe even I could do that?"
Compared to the new Battle Ready(tm) tutorials which amount to them slapping a pot of Contrast or whatever paint they've got too much stock of and then drowning it in wash. Compare Duncan's Cadian tutorial to either of the Battle Ready ones - there's nothing aspirational about the latter. Hell, Peachy was doing full tutorials for years before Duncan left, so evidentially it was a conscious decision on the studio's part. Presumably those full tutorials are going to end up hidden behind Warhammer+.
JohnnyHell wrote: Accessible tutorials are not a bad thing. Not everyone starts off with OSL, fine edge highlighting and NMM.
There are lots of ways to paint, don’t be an elitist about it.
I'm the first person to defend Duncan's painting tutorials when people call them 'basic', so I'm far from an elitist about painting tutorials. The problem is they already had accessible tutorials... and they binned them to make the Battle Ready(tm) tripe. What made them so good is that they were accessible but finished (at least by Duncan and usually Peachy's hand) with a result that somebody could look at and go, "Wow that looks so good, but the tutorial was so simple, maybe even I could do that?"
Compared to the new Battle Ready(tm) tutorials which amount to them slapping a pot of Contrast or whatever paint they've got too much stock of and then drowning it in wash. Compare Duncan's Cadian tutorial to either of the Battle Ready ones - there's nothing aspirational about the latter. Hell, Peachy was doing full tutorials for years before Duncan left, so evidentially it was a conscious decision on the studio's part. Presumably those full tutorials are going to end up hidden behind Warhammer+.
Would be a very, er, modern company-esque decision for them to go "Hey, if you wanna any tutorial from us that's not the most basic painting tutorial under the sun, pay up!"
CMLR wrote: Gotta try and become a WH YouTuber. Lots of Dominion boxes have been sent already...
Reminds me a lot from streamer privilege, lmao.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
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Funny how orcs lack toenails, yet hobgobs have toeclaws.
Good luck. Be prepared to put in a ton of work. More than you think. Achieving any sort of social media following in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is far from an easy process.
Well there is a rumour floating around that Louise Sugden was hired to do more Eavy Metal style tutorials for Warhammer+ she even mentioned in a recent stream that Max had been teaching her to paint in the Eavy Metal style and posted some marine heads on Twitter that are in that style and way beyond the current tutorial style painting
My only complaint is sometimes he goes a bit overboard on how many paints he uses (53 paints on an Ogor is a bit excessive). Anyway I liked the Battle Ready tutorial I posted above because I wanted to see what the new paints actually look like. GW's paint swatches are a bit rubbish for seeing what the paint looks like.
53 paints means 53 paint pots sold for one mini.... GW does not want you mixing paints, the heresy!
I dont know but these tutorials seem more limited by an editorial decision rather than individual talent. I mean they can have the best heavy metal painter but if they are stuck with base and wash tutorials.
You shouldn't mix most paints, GW for sure, anyway.
They aren't pure pigments and they are 100% the same from bottle to bottle.
Your chances of ending up with some shade of brown are higher than repeating your color scheme anyway.
Re: Becoming a Youtuber to "get free stuff"... well you better look into that A LOT harder. Any influencer that gets stuff for "free" gets it far and few between.
Of course what appears to be many of them got it this time, it's a new edition. So I guess you have 3-5 years to build a following for that "Free" $169.99 boxed set.
CMLR wrote: Gotta try and become a WH YouTuber. Lots of Dominion boxes have been sent already...
Reminds me a lot from streamer privilege, lmao.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
Spoiler:
Funny how orcs lack toenails, yet hobgobs have toeclaws.
Good luck. Be prepared to put in a ton of work. More than you think. Achieving any sort of social media following in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is far from an easy process.
I am quite ready to pour out tons of work.
I wish I had the free time to do it earlier in my life and starting the hobby earlier too: Crendor shined because of his WoW machinimas and Blood Bowl Tournaments; and now he is just streaming at sloth pase. He is barely a full time WH YouTuber, and he has been on that for a year. I love the guy, been subbed to him since Cata and have the Lucky-Do rap on iTunes, yet I can't help but envy how GW took advantage of his WoW popularity to advertise their new products.
TalonZahn wrote: You shouldn't mix most paints, GW for sure, anyway.
Yeah, and that's no accident. The last thing GW wants is people finding out you can buy a set of 13 kimera paints and make every color you could possibly want, aside from special stuff like metallics. I mean you could even go lower than that if you want, I suppose.
TalonZahn wrote: You shouldn't mix most paints, GW for sure, anyway.
Yeah, and that's no accident. The last thing GW wants is people finding out you can buy a set of 13 kimera paints and make every color you could possibly want, aside from special stuff like metallics. I mean you could even go lower than that if you want, I suppose.
I would say it is more targeted at people like me who lack the skill to consistently mix paints.
CMLR wrote: Gotta try and become a WH YouTuber. Lots of Dominion boxes have been sent already...
Reminds me a lot from streamer privilege, lmao.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
Spoiler:
Funny how orcs lack toenails, yet hobgobs have toeclaws.
Good luck. Be prepared to put in a ton of work. More than you think. Achieving any sort of social media following in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is far from an easy process.
Well there's been newish channels with couple dozens subscriber with box so...
My only complaint is sometimes he goes a bit overboard on how many paints he uses (53 paints on an Ogor is a bit excessive). Anyway I liked the Battle Ready tutorial I posted above because I wanted to see what the new paints actually look like. GW's paint swatches are a bit rubbish for seeing what the paint looks like.
53 paints means 53 paint pots sold for one mini.... GW does not want you mixing paints, the heresy!
I dont know but these tutorials seem more limited by an editorial decision rather than individual talent. I mean they can have the best heavy metal painter but if they are stuck with base and wash tutorials.
So with mixin...how many different shades you use?
And how you get 100% colour match years later? Every single mix?
If you can great. For me next time i put couple % too much one colour and end up with shade that jumps up. And wasted paint applying paints over each other trying to get match ups as well.
tneva82 wrote: And how you get 100% colour match years later? Every single mix?
the same way as you do with GW paints that were replaced with another slightly different colour, by trial and error
and at least for me it is easier to get the same colour from my own mix years later than finding a perfect replacement for a gone GW colour
Hex Codes are your friend.
And there are entire sites out there dedicated to color matching between systems, and believe or not there's even a company that MAKES the oldest Citadel paints.
CMLR wrote: Gotta try and become a WH YouTuber. Lots of Dominion boxes have been sent already...
Reminds me a lot from streamer privilege, lmao.
Ghaz wrote: A bit closer look at some of the Kruleboyz in Warhammer TV;s first painting tutorial:
Spoiler:
Funny how orcs lack toenails, yet hobgobs have toeclaws.
Good luck. Be prepared to put in a ton of work. More than you think. Achieving any sort of social media following in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is far from an easy process.
Well there's been newish channels with couple dozens subscriber with box so...
Would like to see them, for scientific porpoises.
Link here or via PM if you wish tho, I'm working on something.
Yet again, why are they getting early, free boxes and everyone else no? look for a dictionary, that's privilege. Huzzah capitalism?
tneva82 wrote: And how you get 100% colour match years later? Every single mix?
the same way as you do with GW paints that were replaced with another slightly different colour, by trial and error
and at least for me it is easier to get the same colour from my own mix years later than finding a perfect replacement for a gone GW colour
Hex Codes are your friend.
And there are entire sites out there dedicated to color matching between systems, and believe or not there's even a company that MAKES the oldest Citadel paints.
it is still easier for me to replicate my own mixed colours than going to buy several from company X to mix them to replicate company Y
I just don't see the argument that buying from GW is better because years later you can jut go to a GW and buy the same colour again, because there is the chance that it is gone
the same way you can lose the note with the recipe of your own mix, if you made one
They get "Free" stuff (which amounts to about $100 gift certificate from GW because that's their cut, on average, from $200 MSRP) because they provide advertisement and build hype/FOMO.
That will push some people that were on the brink, over to the buyer side. Also, as I noted before, since it's New Edition, WAY more went out this time than usual.
Usual, being nothing, and there are Youtubers that will back that up as well.
You're providing neither and your "Privilege" is showing by bitching about not getting FrEe StUfF
And how you get 100% colour match years later? Every single mix?
If you can great. For me next time i put couple % too much one colour and end up with shade that jumps up. And wasted paint applying paints over each other trying to get match ups as well.
Mixing colours is something you develop an eye for, I can pretty much reproduce any shade I can see. That being said, when painting a bunch of miniatures, it's not worth wasting time on that, it is easier to just have multiple paints, unless the mix you need is some simple two-colour mix. Also contrast paints are a tad annoying to mix as they have differing levels of opacity and pigment strength.
tneva82 wrote: And how you get 100% colour match years later? Every single mix?
the same way as you do with GW paints that were replaced with another slightly different colour, by trial and error
and at least for me it is easier to get the same colour from my own mix years later than finding a perfect replacement for a gone GW colour
Yeah the problem of not teaching painters how to mix their colours is when a colour ceases to exist most are left lost.
Besides 100% colour match in small doses is fiction theres too many variant things that affect your colours, its trial and error by approximation but once you learn about it you can tweak the colour the way you want it. See thats something GW could teach because they have amazing painters.
Not for everyone specially if your happy doing what you like the way you like it! but someone coming here saying you should not mix acrylics or oils paints, whatever you use, is just plain silly.
Yeah, I really don't see how mixing/not mixing has to be all or nothing. Sometimes I mix, other times I buy a set of colours for what I'm doing. Really depends on what I feel like and what works for the minis.
And I just don't sweat it if some of the colours are not exactly right.
TalonZahn wrote: They get "Free" stuff (which amounts to about $100 gift certificate from GW because that's their cut, on average, from $200 MSRP) because they provide advertisement and build hype/FOMO.
That will push some people that were on the brink, over to the buyer side. Also, as I noted before, since it's New Edition, WAY more went out this time than usual.
Usual, being nothing, and there are Youtubers that will back that up as well.
You're providing neither and your "Privilege" is showing by bitching about not getting FrEe StUfF
Is not the "FrEe StUfF" (btw, it is "FrEe sTuFf"), is the fact that a good bunch of mortals are losing the chance to get the Dominion box on their own or having to rely on scalpers.
Reviewing something does not imply that the reviewer has to get it for free.
Everyone has the same chance, or not. Just because it is advertising it does not make it any less dirty, much less if by own admision the reviewers say that they don't really play any WH at all.
As acrylics go, GW paints are of very high quality, have a strong pigment and mix just fine. The stuff that is generally used for acrylic paintings is of far lower quality.
I imagine the biggest issue with youtubers and influencers getting free gak, is that boxes like that sell out within minutes at best, so majority of people who want one won't get it.
Your the old fart right? since you have been painting longer than im alive so I assume your at least a decade older than me... oh wait we make fun of dementia now...very mature of you.
Some people never really get it... Go paint fences with your little pots...
Actually Pedro, you started it.
I didn't make a dementia joke, I just said you have it.
GW Paints are made specifically for their system and do not mix well. Ask any painter out there worth their salt. They use poor pigments that are quite large in the realm of paints. Mixing them does not provide any type of consistent results which is what a painter is looking for. I DID NOT say not to mix acrylics or oils. Many paints, of better quality mix quite well with consistent and repeatable results.
@Free Stuff Guy
If you want free stuff, work to get it like the others did.
Handing out a couple hundred copies isn't going to cause a shortage, that falls directly on GW and their Marketing departments inability to come within a range of units that need to be produced. Coupled with the fact they are JUST NOW catching on to the scalper problem after years of it going on.
Can't agree with that. I've been mixing with their stuff for years and never had any constancy problems. In fact i've just been using about 8 different reds, oranges and yellows of theirs for painting fire and i can get the same results everytime.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I imagine the biggest issue with youtubers and influencers getting free gak, is that boxes like that sell out within minutes at best, so majority of people who want one won't get it.
Again, if GW ends up being 20,000 copies short, a 1,000 sent to those influencers isn't even a dent.
If they end up being 500 short, ok.... you have a case.
Since GW doesn't release numbers, I'd error on the top number before the bottom numbers based on their track record with previous releases.
GW just goes heavy into the marketing of AoS this time
the best Edition ever (not that hard) with lots of people getting it early enough to make reviews and play games (not the usual "you get the box 1 day before release")
they are really pushing it, something that is kind of new for GW, so I just hope they have enough copies on stock, because the bigger the hype, the bigger the rage if it gone too soon
Crimson wrote: The stuff that is generally used for acrylic paintings is of far lower quality.
GW paints are average quality among artist quality acrylic paints
yet one problem with them is that a GW Blue + GW Yellow does not make a GW Green and there is no hint which pigments were used to make that colour (which is standard for high quality paints)
A friend of mine is good enough to win multiple high-profile painting competitions and does not shy away from mixing GW paint when he feels the needs to modify a color. Plus from experience I can saw GW paints can definitely be mixed with great success and I am far more on the amateur end. I would say that someone who suggests otherwise is confusing what works best for them as what works best for everyone.
[sarcasm]That said, only corporate fanboys buy more than five paints; red, blue, yellow, white and black is all you need! Anyone who buys more than that is obviously wasting their money, as there is no benefit to buying a pot of pre-mixed color. Similarly, smart people not only cook but grow all of their own food, generate all of their own electricity, and so on. Because time & energy expenditure have no value and people who act as if they do should be mocked.[/s]
But seriously guys, it's art. Any and every method is inherently correct and no one is wrong in their approach, nor could they be. Talking down to others for taking a different one just reflects poorly on the speaker.
GW paints are average quality among artist quality acrylic paints
Nah. Most artists acrylic paints are sold in bigger bottles and are far lower quality than any miniature paints.
yet one problem with them is that a GW Blue + GW Yellow does not make a GW Green and there is no hint which pigments were used to make that colour (which is standard for high quality paints)
It produces green. If you need green, you've got it. I really don't get what's the problem is, they're perfectly normal paints and you can mix them just fine by eyeballing.
NinthMusketeer wrote: A friend of mine is good enough to win multiple high-profile painting competitions and does not shy away from mixing GW paint when he feels the needs to modify a color. Plus from experience I can saw GW paints can definitely be mixed with great success and I am far more on the amateur end. I would say that someone who suggests otherwise is confusing what works best for them as what works best for everyone.
No, it just depends on the particular paint; some GW paints can be mixed with some others, and some can't, it all depends on the mix of pigments in each paint. Which you have no way of knowing from just looking at the label, since GW doesn't give you the info that would tell you whether it will be possible to mix it with another given color or not.
GW paints are average quality among artist quality acrylic paints
Nah. Most artists acrylic paints are sold in bigger bottles and are far lower quality than any miniature paints.
I think he meant that they're average for miniature paints, which is true, though it varies tremendously by the particular paint - some GW paints are truly awful, some are very good, and a lot are mediocre.
kodos wrote: GW just goes heavy into the marketing of AoS this time
the best Edition ever (not that hard) with lots of people getting it early enough to make reviews and play games (not the usual "you get the box 1 day before release")
they are really pushing it, something that is kind of new for GW, so I just hope they have enough copies on stock, because the bigger the hype, the bigger the rage if it gone too soon
Crimson wrote: The stuff that is generally used for acrylic paintings is of far lower quality.
GW paints are average quality among artist quality acrylic paints
yet one problem with them is that a GW Blue + GW Yellow does not make a GW Green and there is no hint which pigments were used to make that colour (which is standard for high quality paints)
I think the hype is strong with this release but not sure if it will be more than indomitus and space marines kind of hype.
Have they ever made a painting tuts Before preorders? IIRC thats new.
I think you tubers and stores etc should have the goods weeks ahead so they can review and paint nice examples (even if they only can reveal closer to the date. That would be better than just unboxings.
I find GW paints medium range and some pots are great while others not so much, same with my main collection of Vallejos... I mix them all though to try to find new combos etc Some fail others shine and I get nice colours.
Thing is for me its healthy to experiment specially if you wish to do so but its equally fine just to pick a pot and paint. Either way its enjoyment in a bottle.
GW just taps into a small fraction of what they could teach people though.
Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
No, it just depends on the particular paint; some GW paints can be mixed with some others, and some can't, it all depends on the mix of pigments in each paint. Which you have no way of knowing from just looking at the label, since GW doesn't give you the info that would tell you whether it will be possible to mix it with another given color or not.
That's utter nonsense. Mixing paints is not chemistry, you can mix all acrylic paints with each other just fine. This is getting really bizarre.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
Except influencers getting something for free is literally taking away from others, since GW underproduces the bloody things by literal thousands.
No, it just depends on the particular paint; some GW paints can be mixed with some others, and some can't, it all depends on the mix of pigments in each paint. Which you have no way of knowing from just looking at the label, since GW doesn't give you the info that would tell you whether it will be possible to mix it with another given color or not.
That's utter nonsense. Mixing paints is not chemistry, you can mix all acrylic paints with each other just fine. This is getting really bizarre.
mixing paints is not, but mixing different acrylics is and yes there are a lot of different ones out there and not all of them like each other (in a chemical way), as well as not all pigments like each other
but usually the normal hobbyist buying colours from the same type and brand doesn't encounter this
I think the hype is strong with this release but not sure if it will be more than indomitus and space marines kind of hype.
Have they ever made a painting tuts Before preorders? IIRC thats new.
I think you tubers and stores etc should have the goods weeks ahead so they can review and paint nice examples (even if they only can reveal closer to the date. That would be better than just unboxings.
having something that does not come directly from GW before pre-orders is new, as far as I recall reviews/tuts/etc are either from GW or after pre-orders
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
Everyone is petty here on the rest of the world wilderness. We know they are taking chances from us, specially when we don't have the resources to get products like you do in first world where your main problems are far pettier than ours.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
Except influencers getting something for free is literally taking away from others, since GW underproduces the bloody things by literal thousands.
I don't think the two are as connected as you think. You're assuming that they don't have allocations for sales and allocations for marketing worked out ahead of time but it's more likely that if they axed their marketing programs they'd just make that many fewer boxes and maintain the same level of scarcity. GW choose to be douchebags. They could make enough for everyone, they don't want to. The manner in which they withhold product isn't really relevant.
No, it just depends on the particular paint; some GW paints can be mixed with some others, and some can't, it all depends on the mix of pigments in each paint. Which you have no way of knowing from just looking at the label, since GW doesn't give you the info that would tell you whether it will be possible to mix it with another given color or not.
That's utter nonsense. Mixing paints is not chemistry, you can mix all acrylic paints with each other just fine. This is getting really bizarre.
If by mix you mean that you can physically mix them and you will get a paint that you can physically apply, yes, obviously you can mix acrylic paints and it's not like it'll explode or anything. We're talking about the color results you'll get, and whether it's going to come out as the color it ought to, or whether it's going to come out as an ugly brown or grey tinted vaguely with that color. That depends on what pigments make up the respective paints; when the paints are themselves already a mix of pigments, you need to consider not only the visible, final color of each paint you're mixing, but the pigment mix as well. You can't tell simply from looking at the two paints what the mixed color is going to look like.
Please don't accuse others of talking nonsense when you evidently have no idea about the topic you're opining on.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd be interested in seeing some of this mixing information that apprently everyone except GW provides.
I don't think anybody said it's onlyGW that doesn't provide it. IIRC the only miniature paint companies that do are Kimera and Scale 75, though some of the others (Vallejo, etc) do give you more info than GW does about their paints, albeit not full pigment info for each individual paint.
Anyway, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with buying 100+ different colors of miniature paint and just using them instead of mixing your own. Just that the statement that you can mix with GW colors is not really accurate. If you tried to only buy say a dozen GW colors and generate all your other colors from those 12, it would not work well, you'd end up with a lot of ugly browns and greys instead of the vibrant colors you would have thought you'd get looking at the two colors you were mixing. In general when working with premixed miniature paints, the only thing you can reliably do without fouling up the color profile is to lighten or darken a paint using pure white or black; the further you get from that, the more likely you are to end up with tinted brown or grey.
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
Umh. There will be people short of box. If those youtubers would need to buy there's chance they would fail to get and somebody who now doesn't get would get.
There will be thousands short of box as usual with discount boxes.
So, I haven't been painting minis a bit over a decades now but I have to ask. What's with the talk about acrylic paints being so hard to mix (even across brands)? That feels really alien to me. Sometimes you get the one bad pot but that's not common, or even rare. Overall generic acrylic paints (at least all the brands for miniatures) were all intermixable as far as I know (and often with most non-miniature brands) with maybe the tiniest of consistency issues. But one gets used to that and adjusts. Cheap non-miniature brands may have some pigment size issues but that's it as far as I know of "mixing acrylic paints" problems.
Colours simply get muddy if you mix more than three of them from all over the colour wheel (subtractive colour mixing occurs when we mix paints, that's just physics) but otherwise knowing some colour theory from an "intro to colours" articles should be enough for anyone to avoid that (and to match most colours well enough if needed). Sometimes mixing paints can be a hassle (big armies or projects where one needs a lot of a specific colour) but even then one can make a test mix and then increase the ratios to pot size if one really wants an unique colour (or just buy the pot if it already exists) and then have it on standby as needed.
Mixing paints (or not) is an issue of personal preference but I have to say that mixing paints being anathema by default and being something to argue about as a fundamental issue when it comes to miniature painting feels really strange. Has something big changed since the 80s, 90s, or 00s? Has there been some change in the formula of all these paints or have manufactures somehow managed to add some sort of magic DRM to actual paints?
lord_blackfang wrote: Jesus are people really crying about influencers again? How petty do you have to be to think that someone getting something for free is taking anything away from you.
Umh. There will be people short of box. If those youtubers would need to buy there's chance they would fail to get and somebody who now doesn't get would get.
There will be thousands short of box as usual with discount boxes.
That's not how fomo works. They don't make as much as they expect demand on purpose, not cause they gave it all out to a couple dozen influencers...
If by mix you mean that you can physically mix them and you will get a paint that you can physically apply, yes, obviously you can mix acrylic paints and it's not like it'll explode or anything. We're talking about the color results you'll get, and whether it's going to come out as the color it ought to, or whether it's going to come out as an ugly brown or grey tinted vaguely with that color. That depends on what pigments make up the respective paints; when the paints are themselves already a mix of pigments, you need to consider not only the visible, final color of each paint you're mixing, but the pigment mix as well. You can't tell simply from looking at the two paints what the mixed color is going to look like.
Please don't accuse others of talking nonsense when you evidently have no idea about the topic you're opining on.
Yes, I get that you're talking about, hues vs true colours. Pigments are just tiny coloured flakes, and most of the time it doesn't terribly much matter whether your green was made out of green flakes or mix of blue and yellow flakes. Both will produce turquoise when mixed with blue flakes. And sure for vibrant secondary and tertiary colours it is best to use pure colours, or at least something close to them (Purple in particular. Most reds and blues don't produce particularly strong and vibrant purple). But for more naturalistic shades that doesn't really matter. And GW paints behave perfectly predictably. I've been painting with them and with other colours for decades, there aren't sudden surprise greys or browns. Worrying about hues vs true colours is like elite level oil painting stuff that doesn't matter most of the time even there.
Mario wrote: So, I haven't been painting minis a bit over a decades now but I have to ask. What's with the talk about acrylic paints being so hard to mix (even across brands)? That feels really alien to me. Sometimes you get the one bad pot but that's not common, or even rare. Overall generic acrylic paints (at least all the brands for miniatures) were all intermixable as far as I know (and often with most non-miniature brands) with maybe the tiniest of consistency issues. But one gets used to that and adjusts. Cheap non-miniature brands may have some pigment size issues but that's it as far as I know of "mixing acrylic paints" problems.
Colours simply get muddy if you mix more than three of them from all over the colour wheel (subtractive colour mixing occurs when we mix paints, that's just physics) but otherwise knowing some colour theory from an "intro to colours" articles should be enough for anyone to avoid that (and to match most colours well enough if needed). Sometimes mixing paints can be a hassle (big armies or projects where one needs a lot of a specific colour) but even then one can make a test mix and then increase the ratios to pot size if one really wants an unique colour (or just buy the pot if it already exists) and then have it on standby as needed.
Mixing paints (or not) is an issue of personal preference but I have to say that mixing paints being anathema by default and being something to argue about as a fundamental issue when it comes to miniature painting feels really strange. Has something big changed since the 80s, 90s, or 00s? Has there been some change in the formula of all these paints or have manufactures somehow managed to add some sort of magic DRM to actual paints?
You're completely correct. You can mix them just fine. This seems to be just some new angle for bizarre anti-GW conspiracies.
They could make enough for everyone, they don't want to. The manner in which they withhold product isn't really relevant.
You have no idea how many boxes of product GW wants to or doesn't want to produce, or what kind of limits there are on their production schedule. For all we know, the number of Dominion boxes produced is tied directly to the number of hardcover core rulebooks that GW is able to receive from China in a given amount of time.
I suspect that as GW's popularity grows, it's also getting harder and harder for them to pin down any kind of reliable numbers for how many boxes they should be producing in order to meet demand. Unfortunately, it's a Catch-22. If they don't make enough, people complain and moan on the internet. If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
If nothing else I can see them doing a follow-up Made to Order just like they did with Indomitus. I didn't hear anybody complaining after that happened and everyone who wanted a copy of Indomitus was able to get one.
They could make enough for everyone, they don't want to. The manner in which they withhold product isn't really relevant.
You have no idea how many boxes of product GW wants to or doesn't want to produce, or what kind of limits there are on their production schedule. For all we know, the number of Dominion boxes produced is tied directly to the number of hardcover core rulebooks that GW is able to receive from China in a given amount of time.
I suspect that as GW's popularity grows, it's also getting harder and harder for them to pin down any kind of reliable numbers for how many boxes they should be producing in order to meet demand. Unfortunately, it's a Catch-22. If they don't make enough, people complain and moan on the internet. If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
If nothing else I can see them doing a follow-up Made to Order just like they did with Indomitus. I didn't hear anybody complaining after that happened and everyone who wanted a copy of Indomitus was able to get one.
Other than pure greed, I dont' see why they couldn't have announced this already. Tell people that if you want it early to start playing, you need to be quick. That way they get their FOMO sales from the folk that can't stand the idea of playing anything that isn't the most up to date ruleset. Then let everyone else grab a MTO copy and wait the 3 months or so to get their copies.
Instead they know they will make more FOMO sales from those that are happy to sit in the virtual queue for an hour or those that know how to exploit the queue system easily and all the complaining online is just pushing threads/comments and creates more hype/false scarcity around the game.
My favourite part of the hobby comes in about two weeks time, when those that have tried to get one and failed or managed to order one that GW couldn't fulfil the order but don't contact you to tell you and you get a bit miffed and complain online and you get told by people spend three times the amount on the piecemeal versions/you clearly didn't want it bad enough as other people managed to spend their weekend sat in front of the store to order it, or my absolutely favourite - leave the hobby if you don't like it.
Yes, MTO might not be profitable to do for ALL releases, but something like this that is only going to push more sales (Be it models, battletomes or terrain) down the line, even if they end up with some leftovers, they could always shove them on the shelf or sends out some more influencer copies. Instead they choose to make these 'launch sets' in the way they do for the FOMO sales and the increase in online visibility with people talking about it all online for weeks prior.
Whilst I'm not bothered that they are dishing out free copies to influencers, I do get people are annoyed that they are expected to exploit the queue system to be in with a chance to even get in the store to buy one this weekend, when someone with 25 followers has gotten one. But again, good advertising for GW as people are spending more time commenting on why someone with next to no influence has gotten hold of a copy. No one is really talking about the folk with thousands of followers getting it early.
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
Indomitus came out in the middle of the pandemic, do people REALLY believe GW had the know-how to orchestrate artificial scarcity in a situation with absolutely zero precedent? They had no way of knowing what demand would really be, and even that is assuming numbers weren't limited by some external factor. Like a global pandemic.
Their production has been limited by factors they have no control over, theorizing about some moustache-twirling corporate scheme to cash in on FOMO is beyond silly during this period.
I'd like to remind people that GW doubled their revenue last year. This suggests that GW's production demand was double what it had been hither too last year. Indomitus likely got double or more than GW's best estimations based on the previous years of sales.
They had no way to know that a pandemic would start; strip them of 2 months production; hobble their production (even now) with mandatory social distancing in the workplace AND that their customer base would suddenly double in buying power.
That isn't artificial scarcity and the fact that GW did a second print run strongly suggests that they did not intend for Indomitus to sell out as fast as it did. Yes it was limited, every discount is limited from almost any company (because when its not its just the RRP)
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
It sure must suck to hate a company as much you both do and yet, you're still here, complaining and moaning and calling people "white knights" when they put out even a semi-reasonable argument. Seriously though, maybe find a different hobby?
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
It sure must suck to hate a company as much you both do and yet, you're still here, complaining and moaning and calling people "white knights" when they put out even a semi-reasonable argument. Seriously though, maybe find a different hobby?
Like clockwork. Do you really believe only people who worship the greedy multi-million dollar company belong in the hobby? Seriously?
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
It sure must suck to hate a company as much you both do and yet, you're still here, complaining and moaning and calling people "white knights" when they put out even a semi-reasonable argument. Seriously though, maybe find a different hobby?
Like clockwork. Do you really believe only people who worship the greedy multi-million dollar company belong in the hobby? Seriously?
Do you really believe a straw man is an appropriate counterpoint? Seriously, there is a point where attitudes cross over into simply begrudging a company for being successful (by producing product people want to buy, no less). Unless a company is treating humans poorly in some way for profit I don't see how it makes them particularly greedy; society created these business entities and told them their only job is to make money. Don't hate the player for being good at a flawed game.
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
It sure must suck to hate a company as much you both do and yet, you're still here, complaining and moaning and calling people "white knights" when they put out even a semi-reasonable argument. Seriously though, maybe find a different hobby?
Like clockwork. Do you really believe only people who worship the greedy multi-million dollar company belong in the hobby? Seriously?
Do you really believe a straw man is an appropriate counterpoint?
Mr. Grey wrote: If they make too many and have extras sitting out, people will say that the product didn't sell as well as GW thought it would and that it's a failure.
This one stands out even in a thread devoted to corporate white knighting, well done.
Oh no, I hope GW would be able to wipe it's tears with those wads of 100$ bills...there's still some Indomitus sets available in stores right now, and no one calls that a failure. And...even if they "called" it a failure, I'm sure the hard cash in GW accounts would more than make up for it.
It sure must suck to hate a company as much you both do and yet, you're still here, complaining and moaning and calling people "white knights" when they put out even a semi-reasonable argument. Seriously though, maybe find a different hobby?
Like clockwork. Do you really believe only people who worship the greedy multi-million dollar company belong in the hobby? Seriously?
Do you really believe a straw man is an appropriate counterpoint?
I dunno, I seem to be talking to one
I did edit in some additional clarification just now. Though that response still doesn't make any sense.
Out of the thousands of boxes GW produce, the few hundred they dole out to influencers probably wouldn't be substantial enough to give the webstore more than maybe ten seconds longer before it Sold Out Online compared to the tens/hundreds of thousands they otherwise sell. Odds are they produce... let's say 100,000 and then decide to just send... I don't know, 200 of those to influencers when they're sat at the warehouse ready to be sent out.
The bigger problem is the psychological impact of going on Youtube and seeing just about every single Tom, Dick and Harry with a Warhammer channel posting dozens of videos with their free box, chanting how it's the bestist thing ever and, worse still, when the painters are churning out days or weeks worth of content using them. It creates a negative feedback loop, where somebody who hasn't gotten hold of The Product is then further aggravated by inevitably getting bombarded by loads of this influencer content with said box.
Of course, this is rarely enough to get somebody to outright stop buying GW content so it's not like it really matters, at least until we have another end-of-7th-40k situation again and a new 40k edition will bring them all running back anyway.
So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.
dogfender wrote: So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.
dogfender wrote: So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.
Sure, it’s an expanded story about how the various destruction forces arrived around Excelsis including the ogres being inside the city.
Then some rules for the named giant who comes in from the sea and the ogre merc box.
It’s a decent extra chunk of narrative, not sure why it couldn’t have been in the book but more background is good.
dogfender wrote: So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.
Sure, it’s an expanded story about how the various destruction forces arrived around Excelsis including the ogres being inside the city.
Then some rules for the named giant who comes in from the sea and the ogre merc box.
It’s a decent extra chunk of narrative, not sure why it couldn’t have been in the book but more background is good.
Well spotted list guy made with new points for orruks. Old 2290 pts went to 2680 pts. So about 17% increases to points.
Bigger change than I expected O_o Brutes and monster leaders in particular went up.
My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down
Wonder if there isn't demand to increase points to say 2400 Players have funny habit of reacting to point increases by upping game size.
edit: Was talking on local chat and sons of behemoth came to subject. Made quick calculation. Orruks went up 17% or so in average. Putting that increase to SOB units and...warstomper 560(the others 570), mancrushers 210? suspiciously that's 980 pts for warstomper and 2 mancrushers which would be minimum you need for 1k. Wonder how much off that is.
SOB are in bit of spot because they can't afford much of price hikes without either ending up lots of behind or above limits. Flipside of few expensive models. Not much room to tweak.
Allegiance: Ironjawz
Gordrakk the Fist of Gork (540) 600
Megaboss on Maw-Krusha (460) 540
- Boss Gore-hacka and Choppa
Orruk Megaboss (140) 160
Orruk Warchanter (110) 140
Orruk Warchanter (110) 140
Orruk Weirdnob Shaman (120) 130
5 x Orruk Brutes (130) 180
- Pair of Brute Choppas
3 x Orruk Gore-gruntas (160) 190
- Pig-iron Choppas
5 x Orruk Ardboys (100) 120
Rogue Idol (420) 480
Who Is Yndrasta? This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.
To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.
Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.
Who Is Yndrasta? This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.
To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.
Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.
You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...
What’s With the Head-hunting? Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.
Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.
Who Is Yndrasta? This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.
To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.
Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.
You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...
What’s With the Head-hunting? Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.
Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.
Almost like they are setting her up to fall to Chaos . She got a little DOOMBREED in her when Sigmar scooped up her soul.
My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down
Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.
You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...
What’s With the Head-hunting? Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.
Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.
Something...somerhing...Blood and Skulls for our Lord...something...something...
Kind of a bummer that all their abilities to gain command points happen in their own hero phase.
If you go first, you get a ton of points to spend on cool reactive abilities. If you don't? Well, you get the base amount of points... which you can pretty safely spend reactively and be confident you'll have some points to play with in your own turn.
Duardin got the short straw. No love in that article, except for artwork of gyrocopters and a warrior. Sadly, the whole no artwork without a model thing is gone, otherwise I'd be hopeful for new warriors.
Who Is Yndrasta? This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.
To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.
Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.
You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...
What’s With the Head-hunting? Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.
Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.
I see everyone in here talking about her “falling to chaos” or something and I’m like “have you never owned a cat?”
Seriously, she’s just trying to teach Sigmar how to do this whole hunting thing properly…
My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down
Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.
Except looks it's game wide rescaling points much like 40k 9e did.
It's not just balance. It's reducing army sizes. Maybe to make entry to hobby less expensive. And fastens game.
Assuming leak true(stream preview of ghb starts in 5 mins) whole dok got 10-60 pts hike per unit and orks average 17% drop by the looks of it.
40k had this in 9e. Not that unexpected. That's why also "lumineth is new army. No tournament data to support balance changes" runs short. It's not just balance. It's literally shrinking game size.
And it's not like it's BAD idea if done right. It can be done to do following:
A) cheaper to get army. New blood easier to attract, old players might want to start new armies if start doesn't cost 600 bucks
B) faster games. Less models, faster end
C) more room to separate units. If units keeps getting cheaper and cheaper soon it's hard to separate costs. Elites too close to cheap units but if you drop cheap units costs you get to ridiculous values. Changes in point costs also more impactful at the bottom. 60 for 20 to 80 in 20, 1pts change per model, lot biggei than 150 for 20 to 170 in 20.
Mr_Rose wrote: I see everyone in here talking about her “falling to chaos” or something and I’m like “have you never owned a cat?”
Seriously, she’s just trying to teach Sigmar how to do this whole hunting thing properly…
My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down
Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.
Except looks it's game wide rescaling points much like 40k 9e did.
It's not just balance. It's reducing army sizes. Maybe to make entry to hobby less expensive. And fastens game.
Assuming leak true(stream preview of ghb starts in 5 mins) whole dok got 10-60 pts hike per unit and orks average 17% drop by the looks of it.
40k had this in 9e. Not that unexpected. That's why also "lumineth is new army. No tournament data to support balance changes" runs short. It's not just balance. It's literally shrinking game size.
And it's not like it's BAD idea if done right. It can be done to do following:
A) cheaper to get army. New blood easier to attract, old players might want to start new armies if start doesn't cost 600 bucks
B) faster games. Less models, faster end
C) more room to separate units. If units keeps getting cheaper and cheaper soon it's hard to separate costs. Elites too close to cheap units but if you drop cheap units costs you get to ridiculous values. Changes in point costs also more impactful at the bottom. 60 for 20 to 80 in 20, 1pts change per model, lot biggei than 150 for 20 to 170 in 20.
40k of course rapidly walked it back.
Upping points costs aren't, actually, much about new players or balance. It's about resetting the points creep that sets in every edition. Points overall drop pretty noticeably throughout an edition, and if you don't zero those out (and the zeroing is probably going to be as clumsy as it was in 40k), the game spirals a bit out of control.
TalonZahn wrote: Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....
Which are not mandatory for everyone.
I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.
Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM
It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.
Facehammers GHB reveal vid points start at 49 minutes in - Order, Destruction, Chaos then Death
Slaanesh take another beating
LRL got off fairly lightly.
The Orruk points posted earlier are incorrect. Kruleboyz (Dominion only) in the Warclans list.
SoB tweeked points wise but still make the same loadouts more or less. Megas are now battleline so a 4 Mega list is valid (although Gatebreakers are now over 500 pts.)
Ardboyz in 5s
Ogor Gluttons now 6s and Leadbelchers 4s
Chaos Warriors in 10s
Kragnos drops to 695 already
Radukar the Wolf split out from the court otherwise SBGL are the same as the new battletome.
Not sure what I'm going to do with 140 Chainrasps now! - at least I didn't get around to painting them yet
What sentinel fetish gw has? Let's make shooting even more powerful. Then give sentinels, already good unit, tiny under average point hike and melee options bigger. Wardens got 3x hike to sentinels...
Real hard to avoid spamming sentinels even more. 90 sentinels doable.
Slaanesh got hit and hit hard.
Ko barely touched, seraphon got more hits but not too bad and they have good ways to screw shooting enemy units.
Khorne been touched light.
Ogors some units got hit real hard. 30% hike for 12 gluttons despite rule nerfs to unit. 12 gluttons deader than dead. Unsurprisingly monsters and cavalry good
tneva82 wrote: Sentinels(wtf) and slaanesh biggest wtf's for me.
What sentinel fetish gw has? Let's make shooting even more powerful. Then give sentinels, already good unit, tiny under average point hike and melee options bigger. Wardens got 3x hike to sentinels...
Real hard to avoid spamming sentinels even more. 90 sentinels doable.
Slaanesh got hit and hit hard.
Ko barely touched, seraphon got more hits but not too bad and they have good ways to screw shooting enemy units.
Khorne been touched light.
Ogors some units got hit real hard. 30% hike for 12 gluttons despite rule nerfs to unit. 12 gluttons deader than dead. Unsurprisingly monsters and cavalry good
KO were touched plenty. They aren't bad, but, like, riggers went up 20, and they were one of the most ubiquitous units in the army. KO got roughly average points increases.
Fair enough. Guess missed notable increases. Not super familiar with ko.
Lumineth got grand strategy that like almost will take. Almost "don't table me, i get 3vp" style.
Gloomspite stabas got hit hard. Bounders below average hike, good, but coherency and loss of bat bad. Squig herds might become very popular. Might have to buy 4 more for 72
I dunno why anybody's really suprised that GW dialed in the points costs for a new edition of one of their flagship games, this exact same thing happened one year ago the last time they did this.
It's going to be a very, very rough couple months competitively.
I'm somewhat surprised on GW increasing points on Slaanesh after just increasing points on Slaanesh.
Of course if we all start playing 3K games this balances things out, so in some way it IS on us to decide if we want to stick to 2K points or not. It's not as if 2K is some magical number.
TBF, some units in an army sucking due to their point cost does not cancel out some units being overpowered thanks to their point cost, and Slaanesh didn't see much in the way of point increases--rather many of the new kits came in at ridiculously over.
TalonZahn wrote: Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....
Which are not mandatory for everyone.
I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.
Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM
It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.
You're describing the top 1% of tournament players. The vast majority of even competitive players are 1 or 2 factions.
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Overread wrote: I'm somewhat surprised on GW increasing points on Slaanesh after just increasing points on Slaanesh.
Of course if we all start playing 3K games this balances things out, so in some way it IS on us to decide if we want to stick to 2K points or not. It's not as if 2K is some magical number.
No one wants to play 3k routinely. The last thing anyone wants to do is spend 4 hours on one game and the last thing any TO wants is to make 4 hour rounds. The point increases are between 10-20% on average, why on earth would you want to go to 3k?
There's often a weird kneejerk to point increases, Where someone (who is never GW, who largely stick to around 1500) proposes the absolutely necessity of going to a new plateau (along with simultaneously complaining about how they _have_ to buy more).
Usually it gets ignored, but sometimes we get periods were things like 2250 games become common for a while before people come to their senses.
Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.
I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.
I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.
Tiberius501 wrote: Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.
I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.
I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.
Daughters of Khaine had a mediocre special character MORE THAN DOUBLE her points cost for no fathomable reason. Blood Sisters went less than Witch Aelves despite Witch Aelves being a shelf decoration since the new battletome came out.
They clearly had a handful of units per army they tried to rebalance with a handful of specific targeted points changes alongside the more general hikes, but those end up being even more nonsensical than just a flat 15% raise.
3rd edition is more different from second than second was from first but it's not like it's 7th-8th 40k. It still roughly the same core functionality. Which makes some of these changes seem like they have their own separate 4th edition AoS using like...Warmachine rules they're basing these adjustments off of.
That's pretty normal for GW, unfortunately. Points are an absolute crap show, always have been. I could (and have) done better myself, and I am far from the only one.
Real shame the new PtG is chained to them as well.
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Arbitrator wrote: Looks like the rumours of GW killing Slaanesh were true, they just did it indirectly rather than outright squat'ing them.
GW really doesn't understand its own games on a competitive level, that's why their points are always totally off on the release of a new edition. They need the players to figure out the right points values for them.
TalonZahn wrote: Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....
Which are not mandatory for everyone.
I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.
Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM
It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.
Your point is that people need a huge centerpieces to play their armies, which except for Lumies, behemoth armies and not sure who, is not really true, and behemoths have to do with behemoth battlelines, both in free, points and competitive play; only if narrative battleplans say that you must play with Nagash or someone like that, so yet again, you are not forced to go with a model too good to not include which happens to be a huge centerpiece..
Tiberius501 wrote: Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.
I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.
I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.
Yea in a way similar to 40k 9e that had weirdo increases.
Sentinels is weird indeed. If i were evil i would go and get at least 3 boxes more. Gw is trying real hard to get players spam them for some reason.
I think the problem is that GW isn't particularly trying. The reinforcement points make a mess out of my plans, I've hoped some elites will be given a larger unit to compensate, but that did not happen. I think the CoS Phoenixes went down in points, which is nice.
dogfender wrote: So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.
Sure, it’s an expanded story about how the various destruction forces arrived around Excelsis including the ogres being inside the city.
Then some rules for the named giant who comes in from the sea and the ogre merc box.
It’s a decent extra chunk of narrative, not sure why it couldn’t have been in the book but more background is good.
But are there rules for using ogors with Order?
Yes(ish). So there are essentially three parts.
The narrative section giving a different perspective on the siege.
An article about building your own ogres and giants with the pre made rules for the two characters.
A multi part narrative campaign.
Order get to use the ogre and up to two ogre units in the first game before they turn traitor, you cannot have order within 3” of any ogres during the battle.
After that they turn and fight for destruction for the rest of the series (I think, I only glanced at the campaign bit).
Side note, the wrap up of the dwarf story was really interesting. A big reveal that wasn’t quite what I expected, but raises some interesting things none the less.
Well. I'm worried we are in for lumineth being top dogs. Core rules very good for them. Grand strategies easy 3 vp(keep one wizard alive? You need to be tabled to not get it basically...). Battle tactics don't look hard either and point increases were overall very mild.
First game without even trying to break list(and not having more than 30 sentinels) just reinforced the idea. Had rather easy win and maxed out on points. Each turn had several battle tactics to choose and headhunter grand strategy wasn't too hard either.
New rules also negated my worries when i got doubled. He got double, he did fairly little as redeploy and unleash hell plus heroic actions and all out on defence kept things in check.
Need to figure out what army i have can compete with lumineth. Aos2 it wasn't too bad. Aos3 is big buff to them.
I'm in a pretty good place, that I only had half of a Bonereapers army, now I can assess and plan my purchases accordingly. My Spiderfangs don't seem to be effected too much, but I save heaps of points now that warscroll battalions are gone.
In more hopeful new: U.K. retailer outpost repeated what they did with cursed city. You had about a week to register a site account with correct and valid shipping and payment details , then send an email to them about dominion.
With cursed city only a fraction gitcranfoniy picked to buy the game.
With Dominion they announced today that ALL who registered interest will be able to buy a copy.
Ghaz wrote: The following was posted by my FLGS on their Facebook page late yesterday:
AOS 3rd Edition Dominion Box customers - This was just sent to me today from Games Workshop.
We are experiencing a global shipping delay that is affecting our stock levels of the Dominion box set:
You will be receiving 15 copies of the Dominion box for the July 3rd launch
The remaining launch copies (to bring your total up to what you pre-ordered for launch) will arrive no later than August 7th
Any copies in excess of the launch pre-order (more than thirty) will arrive by the end of the year
Dark Sphere in the UK posted something similar about receiving more copies later in the year.
First wave of Dominion boxes is now fully allocated to the Register of Interest. We will not be receiving enough copies initially to fulfil orders for all people who submitted a request on the Register however we will be receiving a second batch of stock 'in the autumn' which will cover everyone.
The new edition of Warhammer Age of Sigmar is upon us! Tomorrow, you can pre-order the mind-blowingly awesome launch set, Dominion.
Excited? Us too – so here’s our three step guide to glory!
1. Set Your Alarm As with previous launch sets, there are only so many copies of Dominion available. So, whatever you do, don’t sleep in this Saturday!
As with the new Warhammer pre-orders that are available almost every week, the exact time you can pre-order Dominion depends on where you are in the world.
2. Join the Queue A queue system will be in place on the webstore this weekend. As with any queue, the length of time you have to wait will depend on how many people are trying to access the site. You needn’t stare at your screen the entire time, though – the queue page will give you an estimate of how long your wait will be.
3. Pre-order Your Set(s) Once you get to the front of the queue, you’ll have 10 minutes to add everything you need to your basket and check out. To save time when it matters the most, remind yourself of all the Warhammer goodies that are available to pre-order from tomorrow by checking out last week’s Sunday Preview.
To make sure everyone has a chance to snag a copy of Dominion, you’ll be limited to two copies per order.
One final note – global shipping has had a bumpy time of late, and while there might be some delays, rest assured that your copy of Dominion will be winging its way to you as fast possible.
NAVARRO wrote: Shipping delays, Site queues, limited numbers to stores, 2nd waves, precise opening time to preorder... Its clear its going to sell fast.
2nd wave in the end of the year is good news to me though.
It doesn't sound so much as a second wave later in the year, just that any pre-orders they receive that they don't have stock for will be sort of an automatic 'Made to Order' for the excess.
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TalonZahn wrote: What it doesn't say, is when the queue system goes live.
It says to order at a certain time, not when the line starts.
If you show up at the time listed to order, you're going to be in the back of the line.
From Facebook:
Warhammer 40,000 wrote:... the queue will open as the Dominion set is made available to pre-order tomorrow, at 10am BST. Your position in the queue will be based on the number of people trying to access the site at the same time. Thanks.
I'm just glad I have no interest in Domionion. Trying to order Indomitus was stressful enough as it was lol. Just need generals handbook and the rulebook, so no rush for me.
If you get in line AT the time the Order goes live you will be put in an actual line and be served in order BEFORE someone that "got in line" 2 hours ahead of you.....yea right.
A time stamped, browser based, cookie is dropped on to your PC so you can walk away or refresh the page 50 times and not lose your place.
Yet their web coding is so good it will recognize that you got on at 10am and are 200th in line, where I got in line at 8am, so you get to go first and I get to go at some random point.
[Edit] I have access to about 5000 computers, I'll give it a test and let you know how it works out.
Ghaz wrote: The following was posted by my FLGS on their Facebook page late yesterday:
AOS 3rd Edition Dominion Box customers - This was just sent to me today from Games Workshop.
We are experiencing a global shipping delay that is affecting our stock levels of the Dominion box set:
You will be receiving 15 copies of the Dominion box for the July 3rd launch
The remaining launch copies (to bring your total up to what you pre-ordered for launch) will arrive no later than August 7th
Any copies in excess of the launch pre-order (more than thirty) will arrive by the end of the year
Dark Sphere in the UK posted something similar about receiving more copies later in the year.
First wave of Dominion boxes is now fully allocated to the Register of Interest. We will not be receiving enough copies initially to fulfil orders for all people who submitted a request on the Register however we will be receiving a second batch of stock 'in the autumn' which will cover everyone.
I don't get it, there will be waves or simply delays?
ingtaer wrote: Yah and they scrapped the Loreseeker being unique.
Yah. Possible it's error and gets errataed but if not it's real hard between lambient light t1 caster or blade of leaping gold/flaming sword combo.
It also got effective point drop though unable to pass saves on 2's is loss. Effective 1+ wasn't too hard. -1+ possible with every possible buff.
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mortar_crew wrote: Well, as a Slaanesh player I feel a bit unsettled
about these point changes.
One may ask why they are reducing the number
of figures played.
I know some will only be modelling projects from now...
Yea slaanesh players got shafted. 3rd biggest price hike.only dok and tzeentch(mainly flamers and their kind and weirdly kairite acolites) got off worse.
But as to why? Maybe reduce entry barrier. Less models, less money needed.helps getting new players. Also faster games.
Players don't drop point level of games.
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jaredb wrote: I'm just glad I have no interest in Domionion. Trying to order Indomitus was stressful enough as it was lol. Just need generals handbook and the rulebook, so no rush for me.
I'm happy i have flgs i can order.
Also happy found swapper for orruk part so wasn't tempted to get 2nd set. 2k orruk army...
The bits site I always order from has their pre-orders up. Ordered the Shaman and the Sigmarine caster. They're the only minis I wanted, so I'm happy.
Ghaz wrote: It's consistent. Pre-orders go up at 10am in the Western most time zone of the country (e.g., 10am PDT for the US means it goes up at 1pm EDT for me).
I've not seen them list the west coast time for Oz before. Only the east coast, which makes sense given that the east coast of Oz has 10x the population.
I would be very thankful to anyone who explains me if there is going to be another wave of Dominion or if the current one are just going to get orders delayed for the Rest of the world site (I don't have a flgs).
Ghaz wrote: It's consistent. Pre-orders go up at 10am in the Western most time zone of the country (e.g., 10am PDT for the US means it goes up at 1pm EDT for me).
I've not seen them list the west coast time for Oz before. Only the east coast, which makes sense given that the east coast of Oz has 10x the population.
They didn't listed any of México time zones at all. But that's usual.
CMLR wrote: I would be very thankful to anyone who explains me if there is going to be another wave of Dominion or if the current one are just going to get orders delayed for the Rest of the world site (I don't have a flgs).
That would help me a lot.
From what is being said by independents, there's another wave of them hitting in the fall.
They didn't listed any of México time zones at all. But that's usual.
My understanding is that ROW[English] uses the US timezones for preorders, as their orders get fulfilled from the US warehouses.
CMLR wrote: I would be very thankful to anyone who explains me if there is going to be another wave of Dominion or if the current one are just going to get orders delayed for the Rest of the world site (I don't have a flgs).
Ghaz wrote: It's consistent. Pre-orders go up at 10am in the Western most time zone of the country (e.g., 10am PDT for the US means it goes up at 1pm EDT for me).
I've not seen them list the west coast time for Oz before. Only the east coast, which makes sense given that the east coast of Oz has 10x the population.
They didn't listed any of México time zones at all. But that's usual.
You're in Central like me.
So 12 noon, unless you want to get into the queue with me at 10am.
Just to clarify there's 1 save of Dominion - however its split into 2 deliveries. As a result your store will likely take pre-orders for BOTH during pre-order week and depending what the store gets you might have to wait longer if you wind up in the second wave.
This is likely just GW having to account for reduced operational capacity in their own system and overload of the postal network in general.
CMLR wrote: I would be very thankful to anyone who explains me if there is going to be another wave of Dominion or if the current one are just going to get orders delayed for the Rest of the world site (I don't have a flgs).
That would help me a lot.
From what is being said by independents, there's another wave of them hitting in the fall.
Then I guess I'd better be on my way for me, the closest flgs is at 4 hours in car.
So 12 noon, unless you want to get into the queue with me at 10am.
It was sarcasm, but here is the trivia for you: there are three time zones in México, and I do happen to be on central (I'm on the west coast, but anyway), yet, because I am on "Rest of the world", I'd have to wait 'til 4:00 am.
All I'm after is the rule book. If I were flush with cash I'd likely get it from GW just to get the coins and book and then pass on the rest (£40-50 an army or there abouts). But as I'm not right now I suspect I'll be in the ebay fight for a rule book from split boxes come release week/day
The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Overpriced, yes. The core rules are already free, the rest of the book is lots of lore. The next thing you want is the GHB.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Select items.
It’s already been broken down what will be on the three starters.
What will be the £80 sprue buy etc, and then what won’t appear at all (because getting multipart kid for instance.
I think Pig rider and wing woman may be not seen elsewhere?
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Select items.
It’s already been broken down what will be on the three starters.
What will be the £80 sprue buy etc, and then what won’t appear at all (because getting multipart kid for instance.
I think Pig rider and wing woman may be not seen elsewhere?
Not 100% of course. But still
It will be extremely unlikely that any of the contents "will not be seen elsewhere".
We saw the sprues during the unboxing video. Several of us have broken down what the sprues have. There is one big "shared sprue" for each side that features the Big Boss character, special standard bearer, and the special unit which likely will not appear in a starter set. The "lesser" heroes are on shared sprues, one with each, while the other units each have their own sprues.
For the Stormcast? Huntress, Annihilators, and the standard bearer are all on a shared sprue.
Kruleboyz? Swampdog boss, Boltboyz, and Murknob are all on a shared sprue.
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Ghaz wrote: Looks like the queue is for the entire site, regardless of location...
Ghaz wrote: Looks like the queue is for the entire site, regardless of location...
Friday night... 11.20pm. UK time. New AoS box not released till 10am the next day.
Trying to order some spray paints and a some pots of paint so they'll arrive early next week.
Queue time over 10 mins. Needed time to browse for new paints. Limited to 10 mins.
Meh. I guess fomo is now moving to the extreme with GW.
I assume tomorrow afternoon they'll be needing to change their name to Disappointed Workshop. Except we'll no doubt see people like Mad Doc telling us he got 2 from the online store and some from Element Games too.
Ghaz wrote: Looks like the queue is for the entire site, regardless of location...
Friday night... 11.20pm. UK time. New AoS box not released till 10am the next day.
Trying to order some spray paints and a some pots of paint so they'll arrive early next week.
Queue time over 10 mins. Needed time to browse for new paints. Limited to 10 mins.
Meh. I guess fomo is now moving to the extreme with GW.
I assume tomorrow afternoon they'll be needing to change their name to Disappointed Workshop. Except we'll no doubt see people like Mad Doc telling us he got 2 from the online store and some from Element Games too.
Might want to try again, because I'm not having any problems getting on the website right now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So they’re saying you get a random place in the queue, if you’re in it before 10.
Then put to the end of it if you join after 10.
I pity the poor GW staff in physical stores trying to process pre orders for customers on the in store terminals. This led to disappointment with Indomitus and probably will again.
A little bit more on the rules content of the Core Rules book:
The Rules
The first rules section of this book contains the core concepts you need to start fighting battles in the Age of Sigmar, taking you through deployment, the battle rounds, combat, magic, and more. The rules are laid out in a clear and concise format with additional commentary from the designers, making this the easiest rulebook to reference in Warhammer history.
Once you've got the basics squared away, find out all about the three core ways to play the game and the battleplans you can undertake in each.
Open Play Let your imagination run wild as open play caters for re-enacting every kind of narrative storyline or tactical challenge you can think of, without restrictions.
– Includes the Open War Battleplan Generator, which provides pre-set Maps, Victory Conditions, Twists, and Ruses.
– Combining different options allows over 1,200 different types of Open War scenarios to be played.
Matched Play Designed to put both players on an equal footing, matched play offers players an even chance of victory based around points-based army construction rules and a competitive set of battleplans.
– Includes additional special rules, including Stealing the Initiative, as well as rules for additional objectives scored on either a turn-by-turn or end-of-battle basis.
– Features much broader and more detailed requirements and restrictions than other game types, including restrictions on endless spells, reinforced units, and understrength units.
Narrative Play Send your army on a Path to Glory and watch them develop across games with an overhauled section on narrative gameplay rules. Earn renown, gain new abilities, and even expand your army's territory while free of limitations on how, when, and where you can play.
– Includes rules and guidance on a 5-step process to starting a Path to Glory campaign, including: Choosing Factions and Realms, Starting Sizes and Territories, Orders of Battle, Core Enhancements, and picking Quests to embark upon.
– Provides guidance on how to fight battles against opponents both participating and not participating in a Path to Glory Campaign.
Conquest Unbound
The final section helps represent the vast array of battlefields and endless war that the overlords of the Mortal Realms fight across, including bespoke rules for the various, more niche type of battlefields you may come to fight, on, across, over, or indeed, under.
It includes three variant types of games for players to enjoy, including:
- Siege Warfare – all too often across the Mortal Realms, warlords and conquerors look to displace inhabitants of a territory or city that they have decided should fall under their control, and often the culmination of such a campaign is a brutal, no-holds-barred siege.
- Triumph and Treachery – sometimes duty calls for an all-out brawl between all of your enemies at once, and, when that happens, these rules can be used to represent battles that take place between three or more factions at the same time – all are frantically fighting to win the day against all other opponents, but will you be the one to come out on top?
- Tunnel Fighting – deadly, close-quarters combat is commonplace across the Mortal Realms as armies cluster into labyrinthine cave networks, perfidious skaven skitter through the city sewers, and mind-bending tunnels open up in the unpredictable domains of Chaos.
The Core Book closes out with a handy, alphabetised rules index and a photocopiable Path to Glory roster, Order of Battle, and Army roster.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So they’re saying you get a random place in the queue, if you’re in it before 10.
Then put to the end of it if you join after 10.
Was that right?
That page is gone now.
The clearest explanation they've given is:
You need to "get up early and get on"
At [X] time, according to your location, it will go up for pre-order. (They said get on before that, 10 minutes was suggested)
Then, supposedly, at [X] time a line will form based on first come first served.
Anyone that got on before that time (they didn't clarify if this included their suggested 10 minutes) will be placed into the Queue at random.
So, if you get on 2 hours before [X] time, like I did last weekend, you go into a Queue, but supposedly NOT the same Queue as someone who gets on at [X] time.
This would mean that there's a holding bucket of anyone that goes to the site (I guess more than 10 minutes before?) where you are somehow randomly plucked out of and placed in line with people that queued up at the "proper" time.
Meaning the line/queue would be like: 1, 2, A random dude, 3, 4, 5, A random dude, 6, A random dude, 7, and so on
Or: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, last guy, then everyone in the bucket in a random order who gives a gak.
Personally, I think the line will look like this: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and so on based off of who went their site and got chucked in the queue, in order, first to last regardless of what time you hit their site when they turned on the queue system.
Just like last week.
If they turn on the Queue at 10am, 4am, 1am, whenever... the first one in line will be the first one in line no matter when they say to get on.
At 15 copies for a large store this will be fun to try and get one. Why go through all the hype if they are not even going to make it available to order. I am thinking I am getting pretty sick of GW's shinanigans and I might just sell all my AoS stuff while I can make a few bucks on it.
angel of death 007 wrote: At 15 copies for a large store this will be fun to try and get one. Why go through all the hype if they are not even going to make it available to order. I am thinking I am getting pretty sick of GW's shinanigans and I might just sell all my AoS stuff while I can make a few bucks on it.
That's kinda an extreme reaction when Indomitus is just a discount boxed set with models that will go on general sale anyway. The only things you miss out on are some objective coins and the cover for the rule book.
Everything else will be 100% exactly the same - models at least will be identical.
How do you cope when the Christmas Bundles go on sale and you perhaps can't afford one and they all sell out?
angel of death 007 wrote: At 15 copies for a large store this will be fun to try and get one. Why go through all the hype if they are not even going to make it available to order. I am thinking I am getting pretty sick of GW's shinanigans and I might just sell all my AoS stuff while I can make a few bucks on it.
That's kinda an extreme reaction when Indomitus is just a discount boxed set with models that will go on general sale anyway. The only things you miss out on are some objective coins and the cover for the rule book.
You mean, the models that are gonna come out a year, or maybe a few, later in a bundle half as expensive as the box itself (like Honoured of the Chapter) and there's going to be like 9 of them per box at best? In a bundle so horrendously overpriced for the contents I don't know a single person who would actually as much as consider buying it? Not counting the models that might not even come out ever again, at all, like the Lord Contagion?
Yeah I see no reason why anyone would be upset about this box being so extremely limited it's gonna sell out within minutes on GW's website.
Trying the Comics/LGS a block away from work. They're getting a single copy, and if it comes in and they remember/can find the sticky note, its mine.
Its taken me two stops in the store so far to get that much of commitment from them, so... we'll see how it shakes out.
Mind you, when I came in looking for Cursed City (which they ordered zero of), I was told I should have preordered, so I put in the work this week, made the request and yet am still left with doubt. I am, however, reminded why I haven't ever preordered anything from them before...
I had actually been hoping that since I went in before preorders officially started, they'd get on the phone with their GW rep and up their order count, but nuts to that, I guess.
Wasn't expecting some of the models to be on shared sprues that were. I guess it's on par with Indomitus though, but hopefully the really good ones get a second life in mini starter sets and not over priced boxes like what happened to the Radukar's court or the indomitus stuff
GaroRobe wrote: Wasn't expecting some of the models to be on shared sprues that were. I guess it's on par with Indomitus though, but hopefully the really good ones get a second life in mini starter sets and not over priced boxes like what happened to the Radukar's court or the indomitus stuff
If if follows the Indomitus pattern, the two big sprues with Yndrasta and the Gnashtoof will be sold individually for a high price. The other sprues will be in reasonably priced starter sets.
And the two single smaller characters but not other two smaller characters stay out of box? For potential individual release later?
I think Indomitus had warden and captain in boxes etc but there was the other two on individual sprues and they’ve not turned up right?
Or are they in the biggest starter box?
Danny76 wrote: And the two single smaller characters but not other two smaller characters stay out of box? For potential individual release later?
I think Indomitus had warden and captain in boxes etc but there was the other two on individual sprues and they’ve not turned up right?
Or are they in the biggest starter box?
For Indomitus there are 2 characters in the recruit box and 2 more in the elite box. I'm sure that it will be the same for AoS. GW are nothing if not predictable. If they put the new scenery in the command box equivalent that might end up being quite a good deal.
I wonder if the “big sprue” will go for more from this box.
They were pretty cheap in the last box being split out.
But now that we know GW are selling them direct only for £75, I can see that one going for quite a bit..
wana10 wrote: I was tempted by the previews but locally they want the same price as they did for cursed city and $260 USD equivalent is too rich for my blood.
Pity.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Yeah. Some will be on starter sets. Likely some won't like in 40k and come separately(for half the whole dominion). High candinate will be winged character, annihilator banner sprue for sce for about 65 pounds.
Starter set discount will also be lower.
Also possible something won't be available separately at all. Don't think solo release of necroe overlord is out?
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Yeah. Some will be on starter sets. Likely some won't like in 40k and come separately(for half the whole dominion). High candinate will be winged character, annihilator banner sprue for sce for about 65 pounds.
Starter set discount will also be lower.
Also possible something won't be available separately at all. Don't think solo release of necroe overlord is out?
caladancid wrote: Any word at all on digital rulebook on the Azyr/AoS app?
I’ll be livid if they don’t have those. They already lost my book money for 40k not offering digital versions there.
I’m expecting to be disappointed on that front. 40K has lost its digital books. The Warcry Grand Alliance books didn’t get a digital release. I’m fully expecting AoS to be next.
Twenty minutes to pre-order start and GW's website has this to say:
Welcome to Games-Workshop.com
The webstore will be reopening soon.
We are expecting high levels of web traffic when games-workshop.com reopens fully, so to ensure a smooth service for everyone, we will be using a digital queuing system.
Anyone who was already on the site will be placed randomly in the queue when the store reopens. Everyone who arrives after will be added to the queue in the order of arrival.
Calls into question the idea that getting on the website earlier does anything to help your place in the queue.
caladancid wrote: Any word at all on digital rulebook on the Azyr/AoS app?
I’ll be livid if they don’t have those. They already lost my book money for 40k not offering digital versions there.
I’m expecting to be disappointed on that front. 40K has lost its digital books. The Warcry Grand Alliance books didn’t get a digital release. I’m fully expecting AoS to be next.
Middle of next week GW is going to tell us all about Warhammer+. Right in the pre-order period for the new edition of AoS, the timing of which we knew or could reasonably guess for a month now. I'm tempted to say keeping AoS digital editions was never a realistic expectation.
Sucks to have ownership replaced with a subscription as far as I'm concerned, but maybe the service will at least provide quality digital editions again.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: The only thing in the box I really WANT, want is the rulebook. I imagine the models in this box will be released in an actual Starter Set at a later date.
Yeah. Some will be on starter sets. Likely some won't like in 40k and come separately(for half the whole dominion). High candinate will be winged character, annihilator banner sprue for sce for about 65 pounds.
Starter set discount will also be lower.
Also possible something won't be available separately at all. Don't think solo release of necroe overlord is out?
Necron overlord is in the elite box.
Yes i know. Separate. Solo. Ie without buying starter sets(say you don't need one). Starter set is expensive way to get 1 model.
Picked one up from Element. Initially tried to buy from Darksphere, but their copies are due to be shipped out in an autumn second wave, which I thought was a bit strange.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Picked one up from Element. Initially tried to buy from Darksphere, but their copies are due to be shipped out in an autumn second wave, which I thought was a bit strange.
They might have burned through their first wave for physical/in store type customers and reservation lists. Thus leaving them with just a second wave. It might also be that GW has some stores getting abulk of their order in the second wave and not the first.
SquealMcSqueal wrote: Did the price on Element just go up? Now £112.50, was £106 about 2 minutes ago... Still showing 10+ in stock though.
I'm ordered up via my FLGS for once @£112.50 anyways, so quite happy about that, but sad about having to add to the pile of shame
I certainly saw it at £106 earlier. Goblin have/had it at £100 and Firestorm a no discount of £125. Happy hunting everyone, at least the queuing system has not seen an Indomitus like sub 15 minute sellout.
I hadn't realised that the objectives are a limited run and 1 per customer. Had to place 2 separate orders for the 2 sets I wanted - more for scatter terrain than objectives.
My queue claimed to be 39 minutes but in reality was more like 16. I’ve got to say, compared with the frantic scramble to get Indomitus and Cursed City, this was a great, stress free experience.
Queue was kind of nerve wracking, but got to give it props, it worked. Even got the coin set which was surprising. Much better release handling system.
If the ltd ed rulebook is still around later, i might go back for it. I'm a sucker for black on gold.
SquealMcSqueal wrote: Did the price on Element just go up? Now £112.50, was £106 about 2 minutes ago... Still showing 10+ in stock though.
I'm ordered up via my FLGS for once @£112.50 anyways, so quite happy about that, but sad about having to add to the pile of shame
I certainly saw it at £106 earlier. Goblin have/had it at £100 and Firestorm a no discount of £125. Happy hunting everyone, at least the queuing system has not seen an Indomitus like sub 15 minute sellout.
Yeah, I got it for £106. Wonder why they increased it so quickly? I wouldn’t expect one of the bigger Indie retailers to do that.
Geifer wrote: Twenty minutes to pre-order start and GW's website has this to say:
Welcome to Games-Workshop.com
The webstore will be reopening soon.
We are expecting high levels of web traffic when games-workshop.com reopens fully, so to ensure a smooth service for everyone, we will be using a digital queuing system.
Anyone who was already on the site will be placed randomly in the queue when the store reopens. Everyone who arrives after will be added to the queue in the order of arrival.
Calls into question the idea that getting on the website earlier does anything to help your place in the queue.
caladancid wrote: Any word at all on digital rulebook on the Azyr/AoS app?
I’ll be livid if they don’t have those. They already lost my book money for 40k not offering digital versions there.
I’m expecting to be disappointed on that front. 40K has lost its digital books. The Warcry Grand Alliance books didn’t get a digital release. I’m fully expecting AoS to be next.
Middle of next week GW is going to tell us all about Warhammer+. Right in the pre-order period for the new edition of AoS, the timing of which we knew or could reasonably guess for a month now. I'm tempted to say keeping AoS digital editions was never a realistic expectation.
Sucks to have ownership replaced with a subscription as far as I'm concerned, but maybe the service will at least provide quality digital editions again.
I wonder how they would handle the digital versions we already bought on the AoS app.....
Impresslve. 105 minutes and box and coies still in stock. Mayb anti scalpieg technique works. Or finland is poor market for aos or finns do like me and get from flgs. Why pay more foi privilege of waiting weeks for delivery
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Picked one up from Element. Initially tried to buy from Darksphere, but their copies are due to be shipped out in an autumn second wave, which I thought was a bit strange.
DarkSphere did a register of interest, so I’m guessing their first wave was all taken up by that.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Picked one up from Element. Initially tried to buy from Darksphere, but their copies are due to be shipped out in an autumn second wave, which I thought was a bit strange.
DarkSphere did a register of interest, so I’m guessing their first wave was all taken up by that.
I wasn’t aware of that. I didn’t get an email from them.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: Picked one up from Element. Initially tried to buy from Darksphere, but their copies are due to be shipped out in an autumn second wave, which I thought was a bit strange.
DarkSphere did a register of interest, so I’m guessing their first wave was all taken up by that.
I wasn’t aware of that. I didn’t get an email from them.
I don’t think anyone did, I just saw it on their webpage a couple of weeks or so ago.
Seeing as so much of the action finds itself in Ghur right now, the Ghurish Expanse Realmscape* is the ideal destination for your latest battles over the Dawnbringer Crusades’ landmarks, which you’ll find in the new Objective Set.
* Please note, although pre-orders are available today, this product will be delayed in shipping to customers in North America until the 31st of July. All other regions remain unaffected and will ship as usual.
Danny76 wrote: Still available even now, and coins and everything.
It is somewhat surprising.
Are we sure that's not some kind of error on GW's part? Seems... Unlikely.
I think they might just be being honest that they made a lot of inventory. If anything it appears they might have been a bit overcautious with third party retailer inventory, so I wouldn't be shocked if they shift a bit more allocation that way.
angel of death 007 wrote: At 15 copies for a large store this will be fun to try and get one. Why go through all the hype if they are not even going to make it available to order. I am thinking I am getting pretty sick of GW's shinanigans and I might just sell all my AoS stuff while I can make a few bucks on it.
That's kinda an extreme reaction when Indomitus is just a discount boxed set with models that will go on general sale anyway. The only things you miss out on are some objective coins and the cover for the rule book.
Everything else will be 100% exactly the same - models at least will be identical.
How do you cope when the Christmas Bundles go on sale and you perhaps can't afford one and they all sell out?
There's a huge issue in GW doing this ultra limited release tactic. I am hoping this is a function of covid and brexit, but boxes like this were one of the ways for GW to pass savings onto customers. Throttling the numbers of these boxes as hard as they have been doing compared to what they used to do is bad news for consumers. It is a way to raise prices without raising the sticker number (that they have done plenty already)
Still everything in stock in Belgium, and we're close to the end of the day.
Anti-scalper measures worked, clearly. Also I made my order in a GW store and I can confirm there was no queue if you ordered at their laptop. So everyone who wanted his box with the collector medals got them.
Yep, GW made it good for the launch of AoS V3, despite the GW haters wanting to have it otherwise.
There's a huge issue in GW doing this ultra limited release tactic. I am hoping this is a function of covid and brexit, but boxes like this were one of the ways for GW to pass savings onto customers. Throttling the numbers of these boxes as hard as they have been doing compared to what they used to do is bad news for consumers. It is a way to raise prices without raising the sticker number (that they have done plenty already)
Well before there was no domitus box equilavents for anybody to buy. Starter sets, start collecting, occasional 2 side boxes like the dok/slaanesh.
Got onto the pre-preorder list of my local store, so I should be fine. Not sure I even really want it with those weird lanky gitz and proper boyz showing up later for 40k.
But it seems like the queue is gone, so time to check out the 360°.
I am just glad that those that want a copy, with the funds available to them, seem like they should be able to get one.
Whether it is an indication that GW has poured a lot of resources into making a lot of copies, AOS remains a fair degree less popular than 40k or that the divisive Kruleboys design has put people off getting the set... I do not know. At least the consumer seems to have won one for once.
Webstore is shut in the UK now saying it will re-open soon. At 5:45pm BST? Why?
I've been getting the "shut down reopening soon" message in Oz on and off all day / night. It's bloody annoying because I'm not going to be buying the boxed set anyway.
Kanluwen wrote: Same reason everyone else's shut down at each preorder timeframe: to prevent DDoSing taking it all down.
I would agree, or something similar.
I've been checking the queues when they come up and they have been taking down all the sites, or adding the queue page, anywhere from 1.5 hours to .5 hours before a certain timezones release.
Webstore is shut in the UK now saying it will re-open soon. At 5:45pm BST? Why?
I think the webstores are somehow connected and intense traffic on one will slam the breaks on all the others. Last night when I was trying to look at the sculpts on the NZ site, it wouldn't let me touch the UK one either.
I had 4 devices, 2 Safari and 2 Chrome. 1st Chrome said 8 minute wait, the rest all had more than an hour which soon turned into about 10-15 minutes each. All had unique queue ID so no VPN required. Got my copy confirmed!
