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 mokoshkana wrote:
What does any of this have to do with AoS news and or rumors? Take this back and forth nonsense elsewhere please.

Ach, you're right--this isn't really about the production limits of Dominion. I apologize.

So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.

dogfender wrote:
So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.

I don’t think its out yet.

dogfender wrote:
So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.

Sure, it’s an expanded story about how the various destruction forces arrived around Excelsis including the ogres being inside the city.

Then some rules for the named giant who comes in from the sea and the ogre merc box.

It’s a decent extra chunk of narrative, not sure why it couldn’t have been in the book but more background is good.

 JonWebb wrote:

dogfender wrote:
So anyone got info on the white dwarf article featuring the ogor mercenaries of Excelsis? Haven’t been able to get the WD or find any info of it online.

Sure, it’s an expanded story about how the various destruction forces arrived around Excelsis including the ogres being inside the city.

Then some rules for the named giant who comes in from the sea and the ogre merc box.

It’s a decent extra chunk of narrative, not sure why it couldn’t have been in the book but more background is good.

But are there rules for using ogors with Order?

Well spotted list guy made with new points for orruks. Old 2290 pts went to 2680 pts. So about 17% increases to points.

Bigger change than I expected O_o Brutes and monster leaders in particular went up.

My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down

Wonder if there isn't demand to increase points to say 2400 Players have funny habit of reacting to point increases by upping game size.

edit: Was talking on local chat and sons of behemoth came to subject. Made quick calculation. Orruks went up 17% or so in average. Putting that increase to SOB units and...warstomper 560(the others 570), mancrushers 210? suspiciously that's 980 pts for warstomper and 2 mancrushers which would be minimum you need for 1k. Wonder how much off that is.

SOB are in bit of spot because they can't afford much of price hikes without either ending up lots of behind or above limits. Flipside of few expensive models. Not much room to tweak.

Allegiance: Ironjawz
Gordrakk the Fist of Gork (540) 600
Megaboss on Maw-Krusha (460) 540
- Boss Gore-hacka and Choppa
Orruk Megaboss (140) 160
Orruk Warchanter (110) 140
Orruk Warchanter (110) 140
Orruk Weirdnob Shaman (120) 130
5 x Orruk Brutes (130) 180
- Pair of Brute Choppas
3 x Orruk Gore-gruntas (160) 190
- Pig-iron Choppas
5 x Orruk Ardboys (100) 120
Rogue Idol (420) 480

Total: 2290 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 112

That's btw list. Last number is the new price. So brutes went rom 130 to 180.

No quarantees this is real or accurate mind you.

Looking at it monsters and heroes got increase but units more. Kind of fits with GW's seeming overall goal of pushing monsters and heroes.

Yndrasta article today

Thought this bit was kinda interesting:

Who Is Yndrasta?
This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.

To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.

Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.

Doombreed!

Doombreed!


DOOMBREED!!!!!!

I was more excited about pegasi, but sure Doc.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yndrasta article today

Thought this bit was kinda interesting:

Who Is Yndrasta?
This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.

To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.

Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.

You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...

What’s With the Head-hunting?
Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.

Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yndrasta article today

Thought this bit was kinda interesting:

Who Is Yndrasta?
This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.

To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.

Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.

You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...

What’s With the Head-hunting?
Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.

Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.

Almost like they are setting her up to fall to Chaos . She got a little DOOMBREED in her when Sigmar scooped up her soul.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I was more excited about pegasi, but sure Doc.

Doombreed?

I’m naming the Pegasus “Mr. Horse”.

Yndrasta is a weird way to spell Sanguinius in AoS.

Hey, you won't find me complaining if we ever get Valkia 2.0

My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down

Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.

You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...

What’s With the Head-hunting?
Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.

Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.

Something...somerhing...Blood and Skulls for our Lord...something...something...

'There’s a New Timeline on the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Website, and It’s Packed With Juicy Details' on Warhammer Community:





https://ageofsigmar.com/explore-the-realms/order/

I don't think a single thing in that timelne is actually new tho?

'Command the New Edition’s Most Diverse Army Roster With the Cities of Sigmar' on Warhammer Community:

Kind of a bummer that all their abilities to gain command points happen in their own hero phase.

If you go first, you get a ton of points to spend on cool reactive abilities. If you don't? Well, you get the base amount of points... which you can pretty safely spend reactively and be confident you'll have some points to play with in your own turn.

What is this "pegasus" thing? Surely they meant to write Skydasher Hoofwings?

I like how they've used an image with OOP models on it (Shadow warriors with Tiranioc chariots).

Yeah, the image must have been from the Swifthawk Agents timeframe.

 Knight wrote:
I like how they've used an image with OOP models on it (Shadow warriors with Tiranioc chariots).

I think I see a mounted Empire General in there too..

Man, GW's obsession with rerolls, and positive/negative modifiers to a handful of mechanics is so boring.

Duardin got the short straw. No love in that article, except for artwork of gyrocopters and a warrior. Sadly, the whole no artwork without a model thing is gone, otherwise I'd be hopeful for new warriors.

Though Grungni is back...

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yndrasta article today

Thought this bit was kinda interesting:

Who Is Yndrasta?
This warrior-angel was once a tribal chieftain of a Ghurish nation, who rode a Pegasus alongside her fellow knights. Together, these warriors fought to hold back the rising tide of beasts and raiders that plagued their harsh homeland, but it was Doombreed, a champion of the Blood God, that finally brought Yndrasta’s people low.

To buy time for her tribe to evacuate, Yndrasta rode out to meet the daemon king in a duel she couldn’t hope to win. Though mortally wounded during the fight, she thrust her spear into Doombreed’s side in a final act of defiance and beseeched Sigmar to destroy them both with holy lightning.
It’s said that Sigmar heard her prayer and hurled one of his Great Bolts that day, then he lifted her soul to Azyr. The God-King personally laboured over Yndrasta’s Reforging, imbuing her with great gifts and granting her the rank of Prime Huntress.

Yndrasta was to be among his mightiest champions, tasked with seeking out the greatest beasts across the realms. Sigmar also gave her the ensorcelled spear, Thengavar, wrought from the same steel as his own polearm.

You left out the interesting part about Yndrasta...

What’s With the Head-hunting?
Oh boy, Yndrasta has a bit of a thing for chopping off the heads of her foes and keeping them as mementoes. Her chambers are tastefully decorated with many severed noggins from her legendary kills, and she has an unsettling habit of placing her trophies at the feet of Sigmar without a word – the ultimate flex to mark herself as his favourite.

Her savagery and drive are an inspiration to the Stormcast Eternals who fight alongside her. But they are also a warning. There are whispered rumours that she’s gone too far in her vengeance and that she’s lost too much of herself. Nobody questions her skill and valour, but there’s something unnerving about the cold satisfaction she takes in slaughter.

I see everyone in here talking about her “falling to chaos” or something and I’m like “have you never owned a cat?”
Seriously, she’s just trying to teach Sigmar how to do this whole hunting thing properly…

Meanwhile, poor Knight-Zephyros Neave Blacktalon is shuffling through the unemployment line, having her job taken by the new girl on campus.

 Knight wrote:

My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down

Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.

Except looks it's game wide rescaling points much　like 40k 9e did.

It's not just balance. It's reducing army sizes. Maybe to make entry to hobby less expensive. And fastens game.

Assuming leak true(stream preview of ghb starts in　5 mins) whole dok got 10-60 pts hike per unit and orks average 17% drop by the looks of it.

40k had this in　9e. Not that unexpected. That's why also "lumineth is new army. No tournament data to support balance changes" runs short. It's not just balance. It's literally shrinking game size.

And it's　not like it's BAD idea if done right. It can be done to do following:

A) cheaper to get army. New blood easier to attract, old players might want to start new armies if start doesn't cost 600 bucks
B) faster games. Less models, faster end
C) more room to separate units. If units keeps getting cheaper and cheaper soon it's hard to separate　costs. Elites too close to cheap units but if you drop cheap units costs you get to ridiculous values. Changes in point　costs also more impactful at the bottom. 60 for 20 to 80 in 20, 1pts change per model, lot biggei than 150 for 20 to 170 in 20.