So take what you will of these rumors ( I didn't see anything in the new's a rumors section but just to be safe ), though while I am hopeful I'll be holding on to some rock salt by the truck-full.
edit might need all this salt to go with the rumors
With earlier rumors of a potential Adepta Sororitas codex release on the schedule, I was asking a few questions. Here is a response to the status of a Sister's of Battle release.
Please remember that these are rumors
Via Steve the Warboss
@Sororitas
After the featuring in the Shields of Baal Campaign i think its possible for a near Sororitas release. The Codex is complete and can be released every time. More rumors do not exist at the moment.
@CSM There are rumors for an khorne theme suppliment in march, maybe the first with new profiles. The release of an new Codex in the summer is still possible
I really wish this to be true, so it can ruin my vacation plans because of the possible amount money I'd throw at GW's direction, but in all honesty, I need a freakin' salt mine's worth of salt to take this rumor with. Also shouldn't this be in the "News and Rumours" area?
TheDraconicLord wrote: I really wish this to be true, so it can ruin my vacation plans because of the possible money I'd throw at GW's direction but in all honesty, I need a freakin' salt mine's worth of salt to take this rumor. Shouldn't this be in the "News and Rumours" area?
Wasn't sure if this was posted yet in the "News and Rumorurs" section or not so I put it in general discussion just in case.
The next codex being finished would be all well and good, but even if it is, it doesn't really mean anything without new models. And, as the rumour source points out themselves, there's still no word on anything like that.
Plastic SOB are just a few months away. I've been hearing that for years. At this point I think that if it came down to a choice between losing the company and making plastic sisters, they'd choose to go under.
MWHistorian wrote: Plastic SOB are just a few months away. I've been hearing that for years. At this point I think that if it came down to a choice between losing the company and making plastic sisters, they'd choose to go under.
Rumor said nothing about plastic SoB just that the Codex was done and it might be released in may
Zewrath wrote: A naftka rumor? Yeah, the amount of salt on Holy Terra wouldn't be enough. Sorry SoB players. :/
Same can be said of any rumor from any source short of GW itself making announcement. The source is from Steve the Warboss who has a 50/50 rating on rumors. So there's a 50% chance that this rumor can hold water.
MWHistorian wrote: Plastic SOB are just a few months away. I've been hearing that for years. At this point I think that if it came down to a choice between losing the company and making plastic sisters, they'd choose to go under.
Rumor said nothing about plastic SoB just that the Codex was done and it might be released in may
Zewrath wrote: A naftka rumor? Yeah, the amount of salt on Holy Terra wouldn't be enough. Sorry SoB players. :/
Same can be said of any rumor from any source short of GW itself making announcement. The source is from Steve the Warboss who has a 50/50 rating on rumors. So there's a 50% chance that this rumor can hold water.
I was commenting on the larger picture about SOB rumors.
Same can be said of any rumor from any source short of GW itself making announcement. The source is from Steve the Warboss who has a 50/50 rating on rumors. So there's a 50% chance that this rumor can hold water.
Sorry but that's simply not true. Naftka has an infamous reputation for rumor mongering and click bait topics. Spreading rumors about SoB update/release, now that all the other dexes (when Necrons are released) have been updated and therefore more likely to sound plausible is EXACTLY the type of rumors they would spread.
Steve had a horrible guess rate before but has been more accurate as of late, but he's still low compared to other more trusted rumor sources.
eh he posts pretty much any rumor. he runs his site as a rumor clearing house.
I've not seen many rumors, no matter how unlikely, he doesn't report. not a bad thing though.
Actually, I personally don't doubt that there are a half dozen 'complete' Sister of Battle codices laying around the Dev Team office.
Just seems like the sort of thing they might do to break a writer's block. Throw cack at a project nobody cares about and see if any of it sticks to give their brains a break from trying to make Flayed Ones work with only rulebook USRs.
Furyou Miko wrote: Actually, I personally don't doubt that there are a half dozen 'complete' Sister of Battle codices laying around the Dev Team office.
Just seems like the sort of thing they might do to break a writer's block. Throw cack at a project nobody cares about and see if any of it sticks to give their brains a break from trying to make Flayed Ones work with only rulebook USRs.
that said, I think a new sisters codex for 7th edition seems possiable, yes they got a 6th edition codex but it was 1: purely digital. 2: Acts of faith strikes me as something I could see them working into the psykic phase, if I was a betting man I'd bet that acts of faith basicly becomes pskyer powers with SOBs only able to cast from a chart in their own book, a bit like 'nids.
Via Steve the Warboss
@Sororitas
After the featuring in the Shields of Baal Campaign [fact] i think its possible for a near Sororitas release [speculation, "it's possible"]. The Codex is complete and can be released every time [speculation/hope]. More rumors do not exist at the moment. [[Confirmation there's no facts/rumors, just his thought there might be a codex because they showed up briefly in the Baal books.]
@CSM There are rumors for an khorne theme suppliment in march, maybe the first with new profiles. The release of an new Codex in the summer is still possible
The Khorne stuff is just bad reverb off of the fantasy stuff. The next end times book is a Khorne focused Archeon book from what I've seen.
Very true, much like a forum he gives us a consolidated location to find rumors which is the main reason I go there as it cuts down on how much digging I need to do to keep up on things.
wuestenfux wrote: Naftka also claims to have a source such as Steve.
Maybe the same one.
A GW employee paid to leak information at the 50/50 percent truth rating.
More like truth on a 4+ after rolling a d6.
On a 1, the guy consults the d6 subtable of "completely ridiculous":
1 - new edition of Warhammer Fantasy
2 - round bases for Warhammer Fantasy
3 - Lizardmen to be Squatted
4 - removal of Cult Marines from Codex: Chaos Marines
5 - new Sisters of Battle Codex
6 - plastic Sisters of Battle
Furyou Miko wrote: Actually, I personally don't doubt that there are a half dozen 'complete' Sister of Battle codices laying around the Dev Team office.
Just seems like the sort of thing they might do to break a writer's block. Throw cack at a project nobody cares about and see if any of it sticks to give their brains a break from trying to make Flayed Ones work with only rulebook USRs.
There are a lot of 'complete' Sisters of Battle Codexes lying around. I know SisterSydney has one, I know I have one...
Furyou Miko wrote: Actually, I personally don't doubt that there are a half dozen 'complete' Sister of Battle codices laying around the Dev Team office.
Just seems like the sort of thing they might do to break a writer's block. Throw cack at a project nobody cares about and see if any of it sticks to give their brains a break from trying to make Flayed Ones work with only rulebook USRs.
There are a lot of 'complete' Sisters of Battle Codexes lying around. I know SisterSydney has one, I know I have one...
That's not what Miko meant and I'm pretty sure you know that.
The idea was that a complete codex may exist because it could be something that's fiddled with now and then just to change pace so the rules team doesn't get burnt out.
I mean...come on guys, this is the ohsomany-time that people claim a SoB codex is "already fully written" and could be released "any time"?
Also...natfka.
I can only count 1 time that rumors of Sisters models were made (and not just wishlisting taken as rumor) and they obviously didn't pan out (whipple rumors and the like). That said, the past rumors about Sisters getting codex releases have been on spot on so I don't see a reason to claim that every Sisters rumor is false.
Very true, much like a forum he gives us a consolidated location to find rumors which is the main reason I go there as it cuts down on how much digging I need to do to keep up on things.
Yeah, poor Natfka gets alot of hate on Dakka for some reason. He makes it very clear that he's just passing on what is sent to him and rarely ever claims the rumor is accurate. He also doesn't try to take ownership of the rumors he passes along. I think the only recent rumor he has flat out said himself was accurate was the AdMech codex rumor.
Furyou Miko wrote: Actually, I personally don't doubt that there are a half dozen 'complete' Sister of Battle codices laying around the Dev Team office.
Just seems like the sort of thing they might do to break a writer's block. Throw cack at a project nobody cares about and see if any of it sticks to give their brains a break from trying to make Flayed Ones work with only rulebook USRs.
There are a lot of 'complete' Sisters of Battle Codexes lying around. I know SisterSydney has one, I know I have one...
That's not what Miko meant and I'm pretty sure you know that.
The idea was that a complete codex may exist because it could be something that's fiddled with now and then just to change pace so the rules team doesn't get burnt out.
I know. My point was that if random folks on the Internet can come up with playable Sisters rules in their spare time the barrier to GW releasing the official ones isn't them not having the rules, it's the models. Show me pictures of the models and I'll believe we're getting a new Sisters release.
ClassicCarraway wrote: Yeah, poor Natfka gets alot of hate on Dakka for some reason. He makes it very clear that he's just passing on what is sent to him and rarely ever claims the rumor is accurate. He also doesn't try to take ownership of the rumors he passes along. I think the only recent rumor he has flat out said himself was accurate was the AdMech codex rumor.
Natfka may just pass on what is sent to him, but that is no different than Darnok passing on what is sent to him or Steve the Warboss passing on what is sent to him. He is the source because he is the first real name in the chain. The reason he gets flak from people like me (and I certainly wouldn't call it hate) is that he refuses to admit that he is a monger and then deletes any comments who question his accuracy while posting about how inaccurate the rumor tracker is.
for me, at the end of the day, rumors are just fun speculation. given how closed lipped GW can be any rumors more then 2 weeks from release tend to be pretty... unreliable. and GW's proven that they can actually pull off complete suprises, such as the GK codex. which actually caught most of the rumor sites off guard
BrianDavion wrote: for me, at the end of the day, rumors are just fun speculation. given how closed lipped GW can be any rumors more then 2 weeks from release tend to be pretty... unreliable. and GW's proven that they can actually pull off complete suprises, such as the GK codex. which actually caught most of the rumor sites off guard
But they aren't just fun speculation.
Example: The Fantasy 9th Edition and Round Base rumors are actually driving economic change right now. (I.e. people are selling armies and not buying new stuff because of the rumors). That's not just fun speculation.
Could GW end it by being more open about things? Sure. But since we're stuck with GW's info policy, knowing who is full of gak and who isn't is important.
People who react to initial rumors are honestly overreacting in my book. We're 5+ months out from a release for WFB and people are jumping ship before every/anything is really confirmed.
ClockworkZion wrote: People who react to initial rumors are honestly overreacting in my book. We're 5+ months out from a release for WFB and people are jumping ship before every/anything is really confirmed.
Hell Pancake Edition proved that for me. Initial rumors are as "true" as the fake ones you can wish list for or tell for a lark until proven otherwise.
@Sororitas After the featuring in the Shields of Baal Campaign i think its possible for a near Sororitas release. The Codex is complete and can be released every time. More rumors do not exist at the moment.
I highlighted the part where this is most probably a false Rumour. Who has NOT thought that?
dracpanzer wrote: Why would the Sisters players want a new codex? Do we really want them to be nerfed some more?
Nerfed? From what I've seen, the consensus was that it made them more effective, overall. Between that and the fact that GW has recently been writing them well, there's a good chance that a new codex would be allright.
I don't know... They keep complaining about "model design".
2-part clip-together Plastic Sisters would be the easiest way to model them in the poses they want.
Still Buying the box? Probably.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'd buy it pretty damn fast even if they were clip together, I just find it, even then, a bit too salty for my taste. Ah well, let's wait and see.
ClockworkZion wrote: New models and new Sisters > old codex and a slowly dying model range.
Automatically Appended Next Post: From Jared van Kell on BoLS (take extra salt):
Adeptus Sororitas are due this year but from what is being said it sounds like it is going to be as part of a box set similar to Shield of Baal.
A "starter box" with Sisters of Battle in it? Instead of some kind of Space Marines? NOW I need an ocean's entire worth of salt.
That. Would. Be. AMAZING.
The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine). I would hope that a new Dex wouldn't mess around too much because it wouldn't take a lot to throw everything out of whack.
Well as we know already the entire thread is a Salt mine...
But it just sounds very GW-like to make a 2-part clip-together plastic Sister boxed set to keep people happy rather than actually make a Plastic kit (read "normal" kit) of a Squad.
Sisters are mentioned in the new books? Did they not get obliterated this time, as per typical GW writing? :|
I'd love to see a new Codex, and updated models (the first one is possible, 2nd...yeah....probably not). They've got a unique niche for sure, but after slowly returning to 7th, it seems they're underpowered in a big way.
ncshooter426 wrote: Sisters are mentioned in the new books? Did they not get obliterated this time, as per typical GW writing? :|
I'd love to see a new Codex, and updated models (the first one is possible, 2nd...yeah....probably not). They've got a unique niche for sure, but after slowly returning to 7th, it seems they're underpowered in a big way.
I still don't own the 2nd campaign book, but they were awesome ass-kickers in the "Leviathan".
ncshooter426 wrote: Sisters are mentioned in the new books? Did they not get obliterated this time, as per typical GW writing? :|
I'd love to see a new Codex, and updated models (the first one is possible, 2nd...yeah....probably not). They've got a unique niche for sure, but after slowly returning to 7th, it seems they're underpowered in a big way.
I still don't own the 2nd campaign book, but they were awesome ass-kickers in the "Leviathan".
SPOILER ALERT:
If you plan on reading Shield of Baal Books, this is not for you.
Adepta Sororitas point of view for the campaign:
it seem quite a lot got through it. Don't forget, from our point of view:
Quite a large part of the Sisters force got on the leaving transports, end of book 1. This "escape fleet" in Book two seems to make it: It looks like they left no Void-Capable ships behind, which means the ones that could, Warped away. These "left-overs" (i'm sure Sisters would have checked Void-capability of their Ships) are then collected by a BA force.
THEN the ones left on-planet get "rescued", where they're down to about 90%+ Losses it seems. And escape with their Flesh Tearers pals
I'm more or less with dracpanzer on this. If sisters are reborn you can expect an almost entirely different feel for them. I really do not want a repeat of what happened with Grey Knights when 99% of my metal Knight models had to pay extra for their force halberds when the new plastics and codex came out. Even though they had an initially powerful release codex, they are nerfed to kingdom come now.
dracpanzer wrote: Why would the Sisters players want a new codex? Do we really want them to be nerfed some more?
Nerfed? From what I've seen, the consensus was that it made them more effective, overall. Between that and the fact that GW has recently been writing them well, there's a good chance that a new codex would be allright.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
Jared Van Kell was all over ghost21's junk back in the day. His predictions are about as worthless as they come. The only thing he got right were vague, easy guesses:
Spoiler:
Chaos Marine Rumors - Oct 2011 Iron Warrior Honsou, FALSE Plastic RaptorsTRUE Plastic Dread, TRUE Little Horus, FALSE] Raptor Lord, FALSE Chrono Gladiators, FALSE Bigger Abaddon, FALSE Dark Mech side project FALSE
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.
They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.
They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Why should anything be good? Good implies just as much imbalance as bad.
Everything should be good at what it does but not good at other things. A sniper should be good at long range shooting but not close combat. A tank should be good at taking hits and blasting things but not moving fast.
The PE and Repentia are good at nothing and a Riptide is good at just about everything.
That's not entirely correct. PE and Repentia are good at things they just are overcosted and/or compete with units that are really good at things in the same slot.
pretre wrote: That's not entirely correct. PE and Repentia are good at things they just are overcosted and/or compete with units that are really good at things in the same slot.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
And there's no excuse for having Penitent Engines and Repentia being so bad they're useless. It's a small dex and they still couldn't manage internal balance.
They've never been good so it isn't like the newest book created that problem.
Repentia where at least somewhat useful but now are worse than ever. I mean the points drop was a good idea, but taking away their standard FnP and their better AoF was stupid as hell.
Grayest Knight wrote: I'm more or less with dracpanzer on this. If sisters are reborn you can expect an almost entirely different feel for them. I really do not want a repeat of what happened with Grey Knights when 99% of my metal Knight models had to pay extra for their force halberds when the new plastics and codex came out. Even though they had an initially powerful release codex, they are nerfed to kingdom come now.
I like our current codex (repentia, celestians, penengines aside) and would really rather not take the probable step back that a 7ed codex would have in store for us. I also don't want them to come out with new models that completely change the look and feel of the army. If anything I would be okay with a few data-slates for the Sisters. Maybe some formations or unit changes, but keep the big grey knight changes for a different army please.
Andilus Greatsword wrote: The current 'dex is actually damn close to perfect given the limited model range, the only units in need of a buff are Canoness, Penitent Engines, Repentia and Celestians (which, thankfully, aren't key units so the Dex functions quite fine).
Well, the sad thing is, making one's HQ can be pretty fun, and very powerful (even if very expensive) characters are always nice to play with. We are stuck with terrible HQ.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Canonesses be better (they're probably at least 20pts overcosted as is... just look at Wolf Guard Battle Leaders and Inquisitors...), but at least there are 2 solid HQ choices anyway.
JohnHwangDD wrote: If anything in the Sister's Codex is going to be bad, I'd rather it be PEs and Repentia than Sisters.
This, this would be a deal-breaker (hence why the 5th ed Codex was considered crap).
If the fluff and artwork is as good as Sheild of Baal I would buy the new Adepta Sororitas Codex and models and I am not even playing 40k at the moment - not a fan of 7th Ed..........
I love Celestine and she is my default Warlord. There was ways to help keep her alive such as keeping some searaphim around her to be the closest to the enemy so they can get shot first.
Also I find her to not be a melee beatstick. She works best as a basic infantry killer not as a character killer.
She doesn't go after Chaptermaster MC Hammer she kills the devastator squad or thunderfire cannon hiding in the enemy's DZ. Her high mobility and str 5 ap 3 sword that is also a heavy flamer allows her to really remove certain battlefield threats well.
From what I understand the biggest changes to the SoB codex would be...
-Bring back AoF for every turn
-Give Repentia FNP -Penitent engines need to be re-worked, lower point cost
-Celestians need to be more useful
-Cannoness able to take more than 1 relic
Those are the only things I can think of for positive changes to a new SoB codex with everything else remaining the same and untouched.
I can 100% confirm that GW has newer SoB infantry sculpts. What I can't comment on is if GW has plans to release those sculpts. I use the word 'newer' because I consider them to be fairly old now.
If GW is going to start releasing small forces (FW AdMech has been selling well?), it would be a good time to drop some new SoBs. Even if plastic SoBs weren't cheaper, they can provide a lot of bits on a sprue. Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and normal sisters in one box. Seraphim in another... HQ box/clamshell that fits well with the new plastics... And 'pure' SoB are fine, maybe a Repressor if they feel like pushing the boat out.
And some speculation from the comments on Faeit that I think makes sense (based on rumors of releases) by Chris Royles:
GW are simply responding to mArket and competitor risk.
I can 100% confirm that GW has newer SoB infantry sculpts. What I can't comment on is if GW has plans to release those sculpts. I use the word 'newer' because I consider them to be fairly old now.
If GW is going to start releasing small forces (FW AdMech has been selling well?), it would be a good time to drop some new SoBs. Even if plastic SoBs weren't cheaper, they can provide a lot of bits on a sprue. Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and normal sisters in one box. Seraphim in another... HQ box/clamshell that fits well with the new plastics... And 'pure' SoB are fine, maybe a Repressor if they feel like pushing the boat out.
And some speculation from the comments on Faeit that I think makes sense (based on rumors of releases) by Chris Royles:
GW are simply responding to mArket and competitor risk.
Timing is far too coincidental.
GW cannot afford for any one of the above to gain market share and do a better job.
For the models I'll wait till i can see pics of them. However the Comments from Faeit ( while many of us can say GW has it's head up its arse you can't say GW dose not look at the competition ) it has some weight to it and even though the Raging Heroes Sisters of Mercy KS is a good ways out I don't dought it will be (and probably is) a major competing factor to GW's SoB low cost high profit status of the SoB line. Where if GW dose nothing and lets RH come out with Sisters of Mercy GW's already small sales from SoB will most likely drop like a rock because RH will be offering "Not SoB" look a likes at a lower cost and in resin and plastic models.
GW Knights ($140 USD) = Dreamforge Leviathon ($120 USD)
GW Greater Deamon ($57 USD on GW, FW greater deamon £93.00 - £148.00) = Creature Caster ($90 CAD - $185 CAD MSRP on kickstarter, more expensive than GW when they are about the same size)
GWSoB ( $80 USD for a pre set squad of 10) = Raging Heroes Sisters if Mercy. ( going by the RH Tough Girls kickstarter the most expensive troop option was $25 USD for 5 Models [$50 for 10], by which the Sisters of Mercy could be similarly priced and thus cheaper than GW)
Yeah, the comment from Faeit seemed right up GW's alley on things they'd do, hence why I shared it. It just makes a lot of sense with what GW would do.
Red Marine wrote: I think they're more likely to kill the SoBs than give'em a dex. Compete with third party competition or...Marbo'em?
Well if they kill them then we finally have an answer on what they'll do with them. It won't be one we like, but it'll be an answer. And at this point that's all I want from them.
Red Marine wrote: I think they're more likely to kill the SoBs than give'em a dex. Compete with third party competition or...Marbo'em?
So... the fact that not only did they used to regularly sit on old codices for literally a decade sometimes, and the fact that Sisters have gotten periodically updated, and the fact that multiple independent rumor sources over the years have indicated that Sisters are in fact still in the works holds any value to your opinion?
Red Marine wrote: I think they're more likely to kill the SoBs than give'em a dex. Compete with third party competition or...Marbo'em?
So... the fact that not only did they used to regularly sit on old codices for literally a decade sometimes, and the fact that Sisters have gotten periodically updated, and the fact that multiple independent rumor sources over the years have indicated that Sisters are in fact still in the works holds any value to your opinion?
Sisters are the only army that has gotten two rule sets with no new models (and hasn't had a single model releases since 3rd). Additionally the last update removed things from the army because the models were OOP, and I have a feeling was a major reason why it was released (basically to ensure no holes were left open to 3rd party companies to fill).
If they were getting bad codex updates but got models I could at least accept it as something. I mean Tyranids are pretty bad off on rules but are at least real updates. Sisters are on life support and the only new stuff we've seen has been art, and now lore. And don't get me wrong, it's nice art and I enjoyed the Lore, but if you can't be assed to putting out a real release out for them, what's the point of keeping them around? Either update them, or drop them. If you drop them you can always bring them back later as their own faction when you've worked out what you need to work out, but for Emperor's sake, do something because at this point I tired of being teased with releases with no substance.
All the technology, the tools and talent are there to do Sisters right, they just need to fething do it or own up to the fact that they don't have a fething clue what to do with them and drop the army entirely. This half-assed gak is just killing me, it's killing potential sales and it's killing a fanbase that is dropping off like the model support is. If they're going to drop the army the best time would have been at the launch of 7th, but the second best time is right now. Do it now while they can still just melt the tiny range down and resell it to Privateer Press or someone else who still uses metal and quick dicking around a customer base who has been waiting for GW to gak or get off the pot already.
I really don't want to see Sisters go away, but even more than that I don't want to be stuck wasting my time hoping that something is coming out when it never will be.
The lack of any real rules for the Sisters in the Shield of Baal is rather telling I think. There may be some love on the art side, maybe even the lore team's side (from what I heard Phil did the Sisters fluff and if true he did a damn fine job in my book. It's the best we've gotten in a very long time), but there were no rules, no options, no alternate FOCs built into the book to give Sisters something to play with or options to change things up. That shows me there are two possible scenarios there: 1) the rules team doesn't want anything to do with Sisters and won't be touching them anytime soon, or 2) the codex is done and they didn't want to mine it for stuff to put into the campaign and weren't able to come up with other things to add to the campaign that were different.
And sad to say, 1 is looking a lot more likely than 2.
DE were in a similar boat prior to their re-boot and their players probably had similar thoughts of either drop the army or update it.
Though if GW droppes the SoB they will most likely relagate the SoB to background characters like the Arbites. There in the background but not on the table top.
Timing is far too coincidental.
GW cannot afford for any one of the above to gain market share and do a better job.
Except, Dreamforge already does do a better job. I have DFG's Leviathan model and it's clearly better engineered than what GW produces. Seriously, it's an amazing kit. What's holding DFG back is the fact that it's still a 1-man shop, so it can't scale like GW can. But with WGF's plastic production and distribution capability, they're definitely deserving to be on the radar.
I'm not sure about Creature Caster, I don't follow them.
As for Raging Heroes - I do know RH is/was way behind on their TGG Kickstarter, and I don't think their Sisters project has even started. Besides, isn't RH only metal / resin? They're not doing plastic, so they can't ever hit the price/quality point that GW does. If they're just going to match the current GWAS pricing, they'll be cut off at the knees if/when GW ever does plastic Sisters.
Still, competition is good. I'd love for DFG to go after the Reaver as their next trick.
Still, competition is good. I'd love for DFG to go after the Reaver as their next trick.
Hell, competition is more than good if it's making GW move their ass so much they are (according to the rumor) considering releasing SoB stuff. They have already changed their business model a lot with the constant codex releases, the many updates, the (even if many don't like them) Dataslates, the campaign books with pretty starter boxes. GW actually has to work and make us want to throw our money at them
Even if they do drop the SoB, we still have the digidex to go from. They'd never really be dropped, just never updated. Give me dataslates, I don't see a new codex coming anytime soon and am honestly afraid of what it might be if it does show up.
DE were in a similar boat prior to their re-boot and their players probably had similar thoughts of either drop the army or update it.
Though if GW droppes the SoB they will most likely relagate the SoB to background characters like the Arbites. There in the background but not on the table top.
DE didn't get two half-assed codexes that removed options, one of which was WD only and was OOP for about two years before the second came along.
And I agree, they'd be relegated to Arbite or Mechanicus status.
Timing is far too coincidental.
GW cannot afford for any one of the above to gain market share and do a better job.
Those were my thoughts exactly.
Why are we hearing rumours about Sisters but nothing specific yet? Because Raging Heroes are delaying the start of their Sisters of Mercy project, but it should be anytime soon (latest was "start of 2015").
A White Dwarf preview / Hint / release when Sisters of Mercy Kickstarter launches would not be a surprise for me at all....
Except, Dreamforge already does do a better job. I have DFG's Leviathan model and it's clearly better engineered than what GW produces. Seriously, it's an amazing kit. What's holding DFG back is the fact that it's still a 1-man shop, so it can't scale like GW can. But with WGF's plastic production and distribution capability, they're definitely deserving to be on the radar.
I'm not sure about Creature Caster, I don't follow them.
As for Raging Heroes - I do know RH is/was way behind on their TGG Kickstarter, and I don't think their Sisters project has even started. Besides, isn't RH only metal / resin? They're not doing plastic, so they can't ever hit the price/quality point that GW does. If they're just going to match the current GWAS pricing, they'll be cut off at the knees if/when GW ever does plastic Sisters.
Still, competition is good. I'd love for DFG to go after the Reaver as their next trick.
I think that it's more of a case of availability: sure Dreamforge's one is cheaper, but GW have their "own" new and shiny. Not so much with Adepta Sororitas when the RH Sisters come out...
I mean, put it this way, before the Digi-Codex came out for sisters and it was the Dual-White-Dwarf set up, i played in at least 2 GW stores with a paper-printed remake of that awful thing. No complaints, more like a bit of pity...
But if you rocked up and placed your Leviathan on the board, i'm not sure they'd agree...
Same here for Sisters. I doubt they'd comment too much on a Raging Heroes army being fielded UNLESS new GW plastic sisters are released (regardless of 200% price hikes)...
As for:
Besides, isn't RH only metal / resin? They're not doing plastic, so they can't ever hit the price/quality point that GW does. If they're just going to match the current GWAS pricing, they'll be cut off at the knees if/when GW ever does plastic Sisters.
As fox-light said:
"RH Tough Girls kickstarter the most expensive troop option was $25 USD for 5 Models [$50 for 10]"
They're actually "reasonably priced" (compared to GW) and yes metal/resin only, but from the first set i have already received, definitely good quality (and SO MUCH better than current GW Sisters. Probably aproximate the new Dark Elves in quality).
Only downside: the brittleness (weakness) of resin. They would be in pieces if carried in a Icecream box. But i do not see much issue if they are in a standard well-packed Carry-case.
Might be of interest:
http://www.tggks.com/metal-or-resin-heroines/ They make a compelling argument for metal :p
pretre wrote: Warlord trait, fearless, hit and run, etc. so on.
Well, none of those strikes me as really that useful. I mean, fearless is nice, yes. Hit and run will not add anything to the only unit that can keep pace with Celestine, as the seraphim already have it. The warlord trait is very meh. Especially on a character that will likely not stay in the middle of your army.
pretre wrote: Not to mention you can guarantee your opponent can't get slay the warlord.
Uh? They can, and quite easily. Inflict 1 S6 wound to Celestine. Then do it again next turn. Bang, she is dead.
ClockworkZion wrote: I really don't want to see Sisters go away, but even more than that I don't want to be stuck wasting my time hoping that something is coming out when it never will be.
I know I talked about this already, but just stop wasting your time by hoping for some release, and start using that time to think about the next awesome addition to your new Tyranid project (or whatever wargaming projects get you excited). If for some reason you cannot play your Tyranid, or want a change of pace, you still have your Sisters.
ClockworkZion wrote: I really don't want to see Sisters go away, but even more than that I don't want to be stuck wasting my time hoping that something is coming out when it never will be.
I know I talked about this already, but just stop wasting your time by hoping for some release, and start using that time to think about the next awesome addition to your new Tyranid project (or whatever wargaming projects get you excited). If for some reason you cannot play your Tyranid, or want a change of pace, you still have your Sisters.
You do understand that I can be doing other projects and still be hoping for Sisters to get released right? Doing one doesn't keep the other from being a thing. I mean I'm on here right now in the wee hours of the morning before work while eating breakfast talking about an army I really like but keep seeing being kicking in the ribs for no reason by the company that owns it and still have Tyranids to paint when I have more time later in the day, and have some new X-Wing stuff.
And inversely, just because I want to see something happen with the Sisters doesn't mean my gaming and hobby life is on hold.
MrFlutterPie wrote: I love Celestine and she is my default Warlord. There was ways to help keep her alive such as keeping some searaphim around her to be the closest to the enemy so they can get shot first.
Also I find her to not be a melee beatstick. She works best as a basic infantry killer not as a character killer.
She doesn't go after Chaptermaster MC Hammer she kills the devastator squad or thunderfire cannon hiding in the enemy's DZ. Her high mobility and str 5 ap 3 sword that is also a heavy flamer allows her to really remove certain battlefield threats well.
Red Marine wrote: I think they're more likely to kill the SoBs than give'em a dex. Compete with third party competition or...Marbo'em?
Well if they kill them then we finally have an answer on what they'll do with them. It won't be one we like, but it'll be an answer. And at this point that's all I want from them.
Eh, if they do, then Raging Heroes will get my money. The ball's in your court, GW.
In my last 5 games I only lost her permanently once and that was because I was tabled
I learned really quickly how to keep her alive. One such trick is to leap frog her through CC so you don't get shot and then Hit and Run out and keep going where you need her to go. This is one of the many ways Hit and Run helps her.
Except, Dreamforge already does do a better job. I have DFG's Leviathan model and it's clearly better engineered than what GW produces. Seriously, it's an amazing kit. What's holding DFG back is the fact that it's still a 1-man shop, so it can't scale like GW can. But with WGF's plastic production and distribution capability, they're definitely deserving to be on the radar.
+1 for DFG. I own 3 Leviathans - 2 std and 1 Mortis. I absolutely love them. They're engineered so well, and are lots of fun to both build and paint up. Even though I can't use them at my local GW store, the guy who runs it said "Damn... those are pretty sweet man" in comparison to the Knights.
I own a bunch of Eisenkern also, not doing much with them, other than maybe making a FLGSIG army out of 'em
ClockworkZion wrote: You do understand that I can be doing other projects and still be hoping for Sisters to get released right?
Of course. I hope that the Sisters will get released too. I just do not feel like I am wasting time doing so. You do, apparently.
If the army gets dropped the waste is the time I spent work on an army that's dead. Don't get me wrong, I love the army but when it keeps looking more and more likely that they'll get dropped it's hard to feel like the time you give the army is being used well.
Well, I do not work on my Sisters anymore. I guess that is why we have differing views. I feel like my army is complete enough as is, that is why I would rather be able to continue to use it if I fancy that.
How many Sisters do you have?
Squats vanished in the change from 2nd to 3rd edtion, no models, no rules, no mentions in the fiction. I'm of the opinion that if they going to squat Sisters they wouldn't mention them in any 7th edition books. They'd pretend they never existed.
Adepta Sororitas do have a digital codex, that they bothered to updates after 7th edition came out, and 27 other products in the GW store. They were in the Shield of Baal Campaign fiction.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, I do not work on my Sisters anymore. I guess that is why we have differing views. I feel like my army is complete enough as is, that is why I would rather be able to continue to use it if I fancy that.
How many Sisters do you have?
I'll give you 50$ for the no longer loved ladies. It's a good deal...you should take it...
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, I do not work on my Sisters anymore. I guess that is why we have differing views. I feel like my army is complete enough as is, that is why I would rather be able to continue to use it if I fancy that.
How many Sisters do you have?
I'll give you 50$ for the no longer loved ladies. It's a good deal...you should take it...
I'd take him up on that offer.
For even zealous, xenophobic, hateful, kill all who don't agree with you fanatical chicks need love too.
dracpanzer wrote:Even if they do drop the SoB, we still have the digidex to go from. They'd never really be dropped, just never updated.
Based on my WFB Dogs of War experience, this works for about 1 edition. Then GW tweaks the power curve, and the army simply cannot keep up on an even points basis. And then there are the new rules introductions - at some point, the effort in Houseruling exceeds ones desire to keep plugging away.
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Except, Dreamforge already does do a better job. I have DFG's Leviathan model and it's clearly better engineered than what GW produces. Seriously, it's an amazing kit. What's holding DFG back is the fact that it's still a 1-man shop, so it can't scale like GW can. But with WGF's plastic production and distribution capability, they're definitely deserving to be on the radar.
As for Raging Heroes - I do know RH is/was way behind on their TGG Kickstarter, and I don't think their Sisters project has even started. Besides, isn't RH only metal / resin? They're not doing plastic, so they can't ever hit the price/quality point that GW does. If they're just going to match the current GWAS pricing, they'll be cut off at the knees if/when GW ever does plastic Sisters.
Still, competition is good. I'd love for DFG to go after the Reaver as their next trick.
I think that it's more of a case of availability: sure Dreamforge's one is cheaper, but GW have their "own" new and shiny. Not so much with Adepta Sororitas when the RH Sisters come out...
I mean, put it this way, before the Digi-Codex came out for sisters and it was the Dual-White-Dwarf set up, i played in at least 2 GW stores with a paper-printed remake of that awful thing. No complaints, more like a bit of pity...
But if you rocked up and placed your Leviathan on the board, i'm not sure they'd agree...
Same here for Sisters. I doubt they'd comment too much on a Raging Heroes army being fielded UNLESS new GW plastic sisters are released (regardless of 200% price hikes)...
As for:
Besides, isn't RH only metal / resin? They're not doing plastic, so they can't ever hit the price/quality point that GW does.
As fox-light said:
"RH Tough Girls kickstarter the most expensive troop option was $25 USD for 5 Models [$50 for 10]"
They're actually "reasonably priced" (compared to GW) and yes metal/resin only, but from the first set i have already received, definitely good quality (and SO MUCH better than current GW Sisters. Probably aproximate the new Dark Elves in quality).
They make a compelling argument for metal :p
GW has a shiny new Warhound? Or are you talking about the smaller, static and merely adequate Knight?
And really, I don't even need new Sisters - the 1000 pts I have is more than adequate when paired with other Imperial support. If Jes ain't sculpting 'em, I don't want 'em.
I don't play at GW stores, so I can't say for sure. The Leviathan has the Rule of Cool, tho. RH's Sisters are still "wait and see".
Seriously, though, metal Sisters are grossly overpriced, but that's because they're priced per point compared to Guardsmen. When you consider that $80 worth of Sisters and $35 worth of Guardsmen are points-equivalent, Sisters are fairly priced. If RH ever gets their Sisters project off the ground, GW may even revisit their Sisters pricing.
All of my Eldar and Guard are metal. Nobody needs to sell me on that! ____
Except, Dreamforge already does do a better job. I have DFG's Leviathan model and it's clearly better engineered than what GW produces. Seriously, it's an amazing kit. What's holding DFG back is the fact that it's still a 1-man shop, so it can't scale like GW can. But with WGF's plastic production and distribution capability, they're definitely deserving to be on the radar.
+1 for DFG. I own 3 Leviathans - 2 std and 1 Mortis. I absolutely love them. They're engineered so well, and are lots of fun to both build and paint up. Even though I can't use them at my local GW store, the guy who runs it said "Damn... those are pretty sweet man" in comparison to the Knights.
I own a bunch of Eisenkern also, not doing much with them, other than maybe making a FLGSIG army out of 'em
I have just the one, and wish I had gotten more of the arm options. It's just such a sweet, sweet kit.
I do want to convert mine into more of a robot than a Titan, so there is some insanity there.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, I do not work on my Sisters anymore. I guess that is why we have differing views. I feel like my army is complete enough as is, that is why I would rather be able to continue to use it if I fancy that.
How many Sisters do you have?
MrFlutterPie wrote: I love Celestine and she is my default Warlord. There was ways to help keep her alive such as keeping some searaphim around her to be the closest to the enemy so they can get shot first.
Also I find her to not be a melee beatstick. She works best as a basic infantry killer not as a character killer.
She doesn't go after Chaptermaster MC Hammer she kills the devastator squad or thunderfire cannon hiding in the enemy's DZ. Her high mobility and str 5 ap 3 sword that is also a heavy flamer allows her to really remove certain battlefield threats well.
Pretty much. Is a 2+/4++ so worthless these days?
Nah, it's good, but Celestine isn't on par with the big boys 1v1. 4 wounds, 3++, eternal warrior is kind of a minimum.
MrFlutterPie wrote: I love Celestine and she is my default Warlord. There was ways to help keep her alive such as keeping some searaphim around her to be the closest to the enemy so they can get shot first.
Also I find her to not be a melee beatstick. She works best as a basic infantry killer not as a character killer.
She doesn't go after Chaptermaster MC Hammer she kills the devastator squad or thunderfire cannon hiding in the enemy's DZ. Her high mobility and str 5 ap 3 sword that is also a heavy flamer allows her to really remove certain battlefield threats well.
Pretty much. Is a 2+/4++ so worthless these days?
Nah, it's good, but Celestine isn't on par with the big boys 1v1. 4 wounds, 3++, eternal warrior is kind of a minimum.
Exactly! Keep her away from the enemies big scary beatsticks and watch her clear out chaff like no tomorrow
Nice! I have roughly half as many Sisters infantry, but no vehicles allocated to mine; no Repentia, either. My Inquisition support is very different, though. Still, good stuff there!
But wait, no slave Sisters? I have a few of those that I got as bitz, for Objective Markers.
Woah, you have some strange model counts. Only 3 flamers, 3 heavy bolters, 2 bolt pistols seraphims, yet two Celestine?
I do not know how you play them, but I just love my 4-flamers squad. Just so thematic, and so cool when it works right! Did I told you that last time I played, the 4 flamers removed a full 5-man Grey Knight terminator unit from the table in one shooting phase? I guess I did, but that was so cool I cannot stop talking about it! Similar stuff for heavy bolters. With rending they are pretty cool!
But honestly, apart from getting a few more flamers, seraphims, and on extra heavy bolter, do you really need to add new stuff?
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JohnHwangDD wrote: But wait, no slave Sisters? I have a few of those that I got as bitz, for Objective Markers.
It is not only a terrible deal (I could get many times that easily!), but I still do love them. Even if GW squat them, I would still like to play them from time to time with marines rules or something. I painted them, I converted most of the Superior models, the tanks and Celestine, I even got them some awesome, awesome DCA count-as. I really like the models. I am not letting them go. And I will be jumping back to them if they get an update. I am just not waiting in despair for it to happen anymore.
adamsouza wrote: Squats vanished in the change from 2nd to 3rd edtion, no models, no rules, no mentions in the fiction. I'm of the opinion that if they going to squat Sisters they wouldn't mention them in any 7th edition books. They'd pretend they never existed.
Adepta Sororitas do have a digital codex, that they bothered to updates after 7th edition came out, and 27 other products in the GW store. They were in the Shield of Baal Campaign fiction.
Woah, you have some strange model counts. Only 3 flamers, 3 heavy bolters, 2 bolt pistols seraphims, yet two Celestine?
2nd Celestine was picked up to be a conversion. She actually just needs to be painted and based and she's playable.
I never ran Retributors and with how limited their AoF are now I don't see a reason to pick up more. I ran Heavy Flamer/Melta in my BSS squads hence that model count. I probably am actually wrong on the count for Seraphim as I know I can run a decent sized squad, or it's the separation of the different types I have that makes the count seem low.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: But honestly, apart from getting a few more flamers, seraphims, and on extra heavy bolter, do you really need to add new stuff?
If Sisters get plastics I'm doing a full on re-start on my army and relegating the metal ones to Apoc only (to buff my numbers for big games).
JohnHwangDD wrote: But wait, no slave Sisters? I have a few of those that I got as bitz, for Objective Markers.
This does not exist.
Sure they do!
And they're great! ____
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ClockworkZion wrote: I never ran Retributors and with how limited their AoF are now I don't see a reason to pick up more. I ran Heavy Flamer/Melta in my BSS squads hence that model count.
JohnHwangDD wrote: But wait, no slave Sisters? I have a few of those that I got as bitz, for Objective Markers.
They were a Dark Eldar thing only.
I prefer Heavy Flamer & Flamer in my Sisters squads - anything you want to put a Flamer template on probably needs 2 of them. I have seriously considered whether it makes sense to fit a SS with a Combi-Flamer for a 3rd template when it's *really* time to light things up.
The slave Sister was defintely available via regular bitz service, back when bitz were a thing.
It is not only a terrible deal (I could get many times that easily!), but I still do love them. Even if GW squat them, I would still like to play them from time to time with marines rules or something. I painted them, I converted most of the Superior models, the tanks and Celestine, I even got them some awesome, awesome DCA count-as. I really like the models. I am not letting them go. And I will be jumping back to them if they get an update. I am just not waiting in despair for it to happen anymore.
You know I was giving you gak right? Hell, I'll buy out *anyone's* SoB army at 50$ any day of the week LOL. I sold my old army last year, regretted it -so I just bought a nice set from a guy on BT. I'm happy to be back in the saddle as it were.
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- They've got an interesting dynamic. There are ton of Astartes, millions of IG, but only a smattering of AS. Their iconography is unique amongst the rest of the universe... not just skulls and Aquilas for these ladies of the bolter.
- They're a middleground between IG and SM. The IG side, std. unarmored human with lots and lots of bodies and mech. SM, superhumans with ridiculous armor levels, decent amount of mech. The sisters fall in the middle. They're still human, but get the better armor. They've got access to the tech of the IG, but at the same readiness level of SM.
- Unlike the SM/IG, the Emperor actually likes them No, really. They're so fanatical that the dude says "Oh FFS they're chanting again...here!" and routinely saves them with miracles and gak.The sheer ratio of Miracle:Sister is far higher than any other unit. They must be doing something right...or wrong I guess.
- Playwise, their AoF is a nice dynamic change to just the normal move-shoot-remove cycle. I liked the old system better than the current one, but it's still unique enough (I haven't tried psychics from Inquisition in 7th yet)
- Biggest bunch of pyros this side of Vulkan -- and that's a good thing.
- Getting your ass kicked by a bunch of girls is always funny no matter what happens. Of the few games I've played, even when I lost, I still had a blast doing it.
GW has a shiny new Warhound? Or are you talking about the smaller, static and merely adequate Knight?
And really, I don't even need new Sisters - the 1000 pts I have is more than adequate when paired with other Imperial support. If Jes ain't sculpting 'em, I don't want 'em.
I don't play at GW stores, so I can't say for sure. The Leviathan has the Rule of Cool, tho. RH's Sisters are still "wait and see".
Seriously, though, metal Sisters are grossly overpriced, but that's because they're priced per point compared to Guardsmen. When you consider that $80 worth of Sisters and $35 worth of Guardsmen are points-equivalent, Sisters are fairly priced. If RH ever gets their Sisters project off the ground, GW may even revisit their Sisters pricing.
All of my Eldar and Guard are metal. Nobody needs to sell me on that!
Yeah, referring to the Imperial Knight, as that is what it was compared to earlier. No idea on size though, but Warhound is also "available", probably as much as the metal sisters are...
Marine Tac Squad is $40. Mass-production, plastic, etc on their side, i think RH can do with the extra $10... Haven't seen the squads yet, so comparison is relatively hard. Poses look good though, but time will tell...
Although my point was not really on price as much as it was on the "We stock that, so go away with your 3rd party stuff". GW can't reaaaaallly do that with Sisters at the moment. A plastic release would cover it (even the box version clip-Sisters).
With precedence of GW Knights = Dreamforge Leviathon, GW Greater Deamon = Creature Caster.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, I do not work on my Sisters anymore. I guess that is why we have differing views. I feel like my army is complete enough as is, that is why I would rather be able to continue to use it if I fancy that.
How many Sisters do you have?
I keep an inventory actually:
ClockworkZion - Gallery images: 0
Pictures! That army looks AT LEAST picture-worthy
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Sigvatr wrote: Yeah, SoB troopers with proper hairstyles not looking like trannies? Impossible!
The body proportions of the one on the right are horrendous though lol
Pics require me to get the army all painted and it's hard to do that when the paint chips/rubs off as I'm painting. Metal is a bastard to paint on and I can't find a primer locally that sticks like the stuff I used to use.
What exactly makes them Sisters? Non-regulation hair, no wargear, no Fleur tattoos sculpted on...
The one on the right is clearly a Sister of Battle who has been stripped of her armor, only retaining her SoB skirt. Her hair has not yet grown back in, and still retains much of the Sisters regulation bowl cut.
ClockworkZion wrote: Pics require me to get the army all painted and it's hard to do that when the paint chips/rubs off as I'm painting. Metal is a bastard to paint on and I can't find a primer locally that sticks like the stuff I used to use.
Sort of had that issue with some parts, but the GW basecoat is not too bad, is it?
I've heard car (automotive) Primers work really well on metal models (obviously get the metallic primers, not the ones for plastic)
As for pictures, Half of mine are unpainted / semi-painted, but who cares lol Just snap whatever HAS been painted
I'm mainly curious because a few in the list sound like conversions to me:
Inferno Seraphim
Female "Confessor"
Power Halberd Crusader
ClockworkZion wrote: I never ran Retributors and with how limited their AoF are now I don't see a reason to pick up more.
Personally I found them pretty useful before, and I would still use them if only for the flavor and fun that they bring over yet one more exorcist.
ClockworkZion wrote: If Sisters get plastics I'm doing a full on re-start on my army and relegating the metal ones to Apoc only (to buff my numbers for big games).
If I recall correctly, originally they were some bitz in the Dais of Destruction of Asdrubael Vect kit.
Also, those model do not exist. I do not see them. If you will a sock with them and start beating me to death with it, I will still deny they exist and ask you why you are hitting me with an empty sock.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Also, those model do not exist. I do not see them. If you will a sock with them and start beating me to death with it, I will still deny they exist and ask you why you are hitting me with an empty sock.
ClockworkZion wrote: Pics require me to get the army all painted and it's hard to do that when the paint chips/rubs off as I'm painting. Metal is a bastard to paint on and I can't find a primer locally that sticks like the stuff I used to use.
I've heard car (automotive) Primers work really well on metal models (obviously get the metallic primers, not the ones for plastic)
I have had fairly good luck with Rustoleum automotive "black" and Rustoleum automotive grey primers. They have a bit of tooth, but you'll be spraying basecoat anyways, so not a big deal.
I do miss the old Chaos Black primer - fantastic stuff.
I'm waiting to see what happens too. If my Rippers are right about this we're not waiting *that* long to see if they're really coming or not.
But then again apparently GW also stock piles stuff for release (according to some at least) and can shuffle the order if they want so even it is true it can still get moved. :(
JohnHwangDD wrote: That is not the same haircut, and it is not a bowl cut.
For it to be a Sisters regulation bowl cut, there needs to be at least a full fingers gap above the eyebrows.
Here's a couple more examples:
Is that regulation some fluff you have or just a wild guess? =P
Cause the models actually have the first example of haircut, not the short examples you've found. Maybe the models don't match the fluff? how UN-surprising lol
I'll wait to see what happens but not holding my breath.
At least Q2 means we'll know soon if this is to happen or not.... i'm still on 50% there will be something. But Digi-Codex re-hash is at 90% of that, "New" Codex at 5%, with the remaining 5% covering boxes, models, and all the rest of the "wish-list"
Talking to my Ripper Source some more it's looking like late Q2, early Q3. So about May or June is my best guess. If not both just to cover a full relaunch release like the rumor claims.
We'll see though. I'm not holding my breath on this one either.
Well, my wife has 90% of a nice Sisters army right now (bought as a lot on Ebay), but it has gaps (such as how shockingly few Sisters the guy built with meltas, despite sending me a million bolter Sisters). I had been meaning to start buying stuff to fill in those gaps, but I have to say, where there is smoke....
At this point there are soooo many rumors and from enough mid-to-decent accuracy sources that there is probably something to it.
Fingers crossed, but I am ever so slightly getting hopeful for some nice new releases.
JohnHwangDD wrote: That is not the same haircut, and it is not a bowl cut.
For it to be a Sisters regulation bowl cut, there needs to be at least a full fingers gap above the eyebrows.
Here's a couple more examples:
Is that regulation some fluff you have or just a wild guess? =P
Cause the models actually have the first example of haircut, not the short examples you've found. Maybe the models don't match the fluff? how UN-surprising lol
I'm sorry, but you're saying the examples of the actual reference model from GW is not showing what it clearly shows?
Are you seriously saying that neither of the GW examples apply?
JohnHwangDD wrote: That is not the same haircut, and it is not a bowl cut.
For it to be a Sisters regulation bowl cut, there needs to be at least a full fingers gap above the eyebrows.
Here's a couple more examples:
Is that regulation some fluff you have or just a wild guess? =P
Cause the models actually have the first example of haircut, not the short examples you've found. Maybe the models don't match the fluff? how UN-surprising lol
I'm sorry, but you're saying the examples of the actual reference model from GW is not showing what it clearly shows?
Are you seriously saying that neither of the GW examples apply?
I am confused.... Those 2 pictures are what Sisters have, but the 2 bowl-cut ones "there needs to be at least a full fingers gap above the eyebrows" have much shorter hair.
Oh wait, now i read it properly i see what you mean... Fringe is too low....
Thought you used the other 2 examples for hair length (Sides and back) which... is not right
Oh, OK, got it. The thing that makes women's hair goofy is when they cut the front too short. Especially as a bowl cut line. That's what I was reacting to: too short front hair. This is a bad look on just about everyone.
If you look at the Cosplay model, her front hair goes much longer, and it parts. Very different (and far more attractive) framing of the face.
JohnHwangDD wrote: If you look at the Cosplay model, her front hair goes much longer, and it parts. Very different (and far more attractive) framing of the face.
And to that i agree. But you are asking a lot from sculptors who deal mainly with MANLY Pecs (Latest BA Tactical Sergeant torso).
Getting a good looking hair-cut is probably a start...... but then, those faces........ those armour triangles(not going to define them by any other name)...
The recent rumours are certainly encouraging, but I am still sceptical. Still, the confirmation (or silence) of the more trusted sources should confirm things soon enough.
JohnHwangDD wrote: I don't know why they can't just have their hair in a bun or ponytail - you know, something practical.
The SoB aren't always so much about practicality. They're willing to go into battle with flaming helmets, or even without armour or ranged weapons in some cases. Plus (for me at least), them all having those bobcuts gives them a sort of cult-y vibe, which fits.
On one hand, I want to believe those "DE-style reboot Q2 release" rumors;
On the other, I fear that GW's current pricing policies making everything expensive per model, let alone an 1500p army, will prevent the new SoB release from being successful, in the end screwing the sisters over by finally convincing GW that they are not worth the effort.
If they were just priced and structured like Tactical Marines, I'd be delighted. 10 bolter girls per box, with PW, HB, HF, F & Melta. Is that really too much to ask?
Also, please, please, keep the model height the same as 2E. These are still human women, so worst thing would be to inflate them like 300# 6'8" Catachans.
If they were just priced and structured like Tactical Marines, I'd be delighted. 10 bolter girls per box, with PW, HB, HF, F & Melta. Is that really too much to ask?
10 to a box with options is all I really want too.
I can see it reasonable for $33 US a box of 5 if it is a unit specific box for the likes of Dominions and Retributors, and Seraphim because of the weapon options available to them (or because of jump pack troops). Otherwise if GW can get a BSS/Celestian combo box for $40 US i'll be very happy, but that's pretty much just wishlisting.
Dominions - Up to 4 or a combination of Flamer, Melta, StormBolter
Retributors - Devastator like weapon options, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, MM
Seraphim - Jump pack troops
Well mostly the reason that I don't have much faith in the model rumors is because last time we had model rumors we ended up getting the WD codex. So in that reguard I'm willing to believe in the new Codex rumors for now and not the model rumors till I see them with my own eyes.
pretre wrote: I really doubt 10 to a box with all the options. 10 to a box with one heavy and one special (ala Tac Marines) maybe.
Tac marines get all the specials these days. Gone are the only ML/F boxes.
If they do go for a battle sister box with the specials and one heavy, they could have a 5 sister ret squad box with the others (preferably multiples). Getting all the extra specials needed for the Dom squads might be rough, but I don’t see them packing 4 of each to a box.
pretre wrote: I really doubt 10 to a box with all the options. 10 to a box with one heavy and one special (ala Tac Marines) maybe.
Tact Marine box comes with one of each of their Special options and one of each of their Heavy options, plus all the options for the Sergeant.
So yeah, "all options". Not like there is that many for Sisters. I mean 3 Special and 3 Heavy weapons don't take up that much space. I'd love to see 6 Specials, but that's probably reaching a bit.
pretre wrote: They could be $60 for 10 and would still be successful (and cheaper than they are now).
They'll be a $35-for-5 multi-kit like the GK, I predict.
If I could get two meltas out of a 5-man kit, i'd be over the moon. I'm fully expecting to get one melta-Sister out of a ten-man box, IF IF IF, we get a new box at all.
That said, maybe they will inexplicably recognize how special-weapon heavy Sisters can be, and make an amazing kit for us. I will say, the aforementioned $35 5-man kit, if it was absolutely littered with flames and meltas, and then a heavy-flamer, and multi-melta, would allow them to make one set of sprues which would cover half of the codex all by itself.
pretre wrote: I really doubt 10 to a box with all the options. 10 to a box with one heavy and one special (ala Tac Marines) maybe.
Tact Marine box comes with one of each of their Special options and one of each of their Heavy options, plus all the options for the Sergeant.
So yeah, "all options". Not like there is that many for Sisters. I mean 3 Special and 3 Heavy weapons don't take up that much space. I'd love to see 6 Specials, but that's probably reaching a bit.
It’s still just the ML in the tac box, and while it comes with a multi-part combi weapon, and some CC options, there are still a lot or sarge options missing.
Still a nice box, but it’s not all that and the bag of chips. Still, if the SoB get something of that caliber, a lot of people here are going to die from sheer joy.
Grey Knights have 2 options for all their specials in their 5 man boxes for 33$. Sisters have slightly more options, but without the funky backpacks it evens out I think. So basically 2 heavy bolters, 2 heavy flamers, 2 multimeltas, 2 meltas, 2 flamers, and (shudder) 2 stormbolters. Throw in a banner along with some options for the Sister Superior and your are done. I would insist on options for hand flamers, inferno pistols, power weapons, bolts pistols, and maybe a combi-weapon for my SS's though as an addition to the codex. I also love to see a return of the brazier of holy fire. That woudl be an awesome kit. It woudl cover Battle Sisters, Dominions, and retributors. if they were smart they would do up a fancy 5 girl celestian kit that could also do the command squad. Seraphim are different enough that they would get their own 5 girl kit.
I could see the Retribution and Dominion squads bundled together 5 for $33, Seraphim 5 for $33, and Battle Sisters 10 for $43.
Pretty much how Space Marine Devastators, Assault troops, and Tactical squads are bundled.
Battle SIsters with 1 of each melta, heavy melta, flamer, heavy flamer and a different squad leader, with inferno pistol and hand flamer options
Dominion/Retribution squad with helmets, 2 of each melta heavy melta, flamer, heavy flamer, and a different looking squad leader, with inferno pistol and hand flamer options.
Probably because this is exactly what happened to Dark Eldar. GW sat on them for what, over a decade? Every once and a while a rumor would pop up "I heard they were working on DE", and people didn't believe them. Turns out, yes, they were working on DE the whole time, but it was a backburner project . But, sure, no possible way that's what's happening to Sisters .
You do remember Brits invented those armies in the first place right? I get that you probably tell yourself that convenient lie to feel better about it but the fact is that Sisters at least had a reason from the devs on why we hadn't seen updates. Bretonians haven't had one recently.
Though if the WFB rumors are true, one is coming and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when it arrives.
ClockworkZion wrote: You do remember Brits invented those armies in the first place right? I get that you probably tell yourself that convenient lie to feel better about it but the fact is that Sisters at least had a reason from the devs on why we hadn't seen updates. Bretonians haven't had one recently.
Sarcasm much? Excuse me if I've grown doubtful of any big rework of two of my favorite armies that I've been playing since they started making them. I don't put much stock in the supposed reasons for delaying a sisters relaunch since it hasn't changed in forever.
Hopefully it is actually going to happen, though like every gamer wish that has come true since sixth edition dropped, careful what you wish for.
I'll be happy to see plastics if they are also able to make NEW units that are not just marine concepts given a gender change. If the supposed codex work is really just the digidex brought to print, I'll hope for tactical SoB cards and take a pass on the rest.
Someone doesn't remember that sarcasm doesn't carry well in a text only medium without some kind of tag on it.
We have had plenty of supposed reasons for their delay, sure, but we've gotten an official reason: the models didn't work with the plastic molding technology they had at the time. It's completely possible that the Sisters Masters have been done for some time and are only now able to be cast in plastic, or Goodwin reworked the Sisters to make them castable in plastic.
It's never been "GW doesn't like a French symbol from a few hundred years ago that they put on the army on their own" (besides, Bretonians are France owned England from the Middle Ages which kind of shoots that idea in the foot), despite the fan nonsense about it being so. Seriously, it's a dumb joke that got blown out of proportion to being a bunch of fanwankery.
Until we see them we won't know for sure, but what can be said for sure is that there were legitimate reasons for the lack of models. At least for Sisters. The lack of updates for the Brets is like the lack of updates for Beastmen: there isn't a really good reason for it, at least not one that the studio has given.
ClockworkZion wrote: Someone doesn't remember that sarcasm doesn't carry well in a text only medium without some kind of tag on it.
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It's never been "GW doesn't like a French symbol from a few hundred years ago that they put on the army on their own" (besides, Bretonians are France owned England from the Middle Ages which kind of shoots that idea in the foot), despite the fan nonsense about it being so. Seriously, it's a dumb joke that got blown out of proportion to being a bunch of fanwankery.
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Drac clearly knows allot more about English culture and history than you do. I thought it was quite a funny joke and I think to any English person it would be clear what the joke was...
ClockworkZion wrote: Until we see them we won't know for sure, but what can be said for sure is that there were legitimate reasons for the lack of models. At least for Sisters. The lack of updates for the Brets is like the lack of updates for Beastmen: there isn't a really good reason for it, at least not one that the studio has given.
I think, and including for Sisters, that "legitimate reasons for the lack of models" is not down to sculpting / rules or similar issues.
It is down to supply/demand charts, market surveys (if they do) and the likes. There is a possibility that the recent Sisters of Battle whining/waiting of the Forums and internet in general might have helped move things forward (for the best). But in the end it is the management side who probably decides, with a (very) recent trend of actually listening/implementing what the rule writers/sculptors think.
For it to be a Sisters regulation bowl cut, there needs to be at least a full fingers gap above the eyebrows.
Here's a couple more examples:
JohnHwangDD wrote: Oh, OK, got it. The thing that makes women's hair goofy is when they cut the front too short. Especially as a bowl cut line. That's what I was reacting to: too short front hair. This is a bad look on just about everyone.
Wait, are you implying that Milla Jovovich didn't look absolutely perfect in Jeanne d'Arc? Take that back, that's heresy!
If you look at the Cosplay model, her front hair goes much longer, and it parts. Very different (and far more attractive) framing of the face.
Also, as much as i am up for Barbie Adepta Sororitas, with 5 hair options, including a spare brush, hair spray and clip accessories, I think that the Bob-cut with fringe (cause bowl-cut is usually the same all-round) is a trademark Regulation.
I try tu use Sisters without helmets in my Units, because i like the hairstyle =P
Also, very very little chance of GW ever considering this.... lol
If there actually will be plastic models, I hope that Repentia will come with some nice bald heads I can use for all my helmetless Sisters. I'm really not fan of the regular bob-cut, it is way too girly (shorter bowl-cut like Jovovich had in Jeanne d'Arc would be fine though.)
ClockworkZion wrote: Someone doesn't remember that sarcasm doesn't carry well in a text only medium without some kind of tag on it.
You make it very easy to tell in your later sentence.
It's never been "GW doesn't like a French symbol from a few hundred years ago that they put on the army on their own" (besides, Bretonians are France owned England from the Middle Ages which kind of shoots that idea in the foot), despite the fan nonsense about it being so. Seriously, it's a dumb joke that got blown out of proportion to being a bunch of fanwankery.
Huge amount of work about something that happened for under 2 years...
Crimson wrote: If there actually will be plastic models, I hope that Repentia will come with some nice bald heads I can use for all my helmetless Sisters. I'm really not fan of the regular bob-cut, it is way too girly (shorter bowl-cut like Jovovich had in Jeanne d'Arc would be fine though.)
I suppose we're on to Tastes and Colours, to each their own... because i really like the idea of having them "girly". I know the fluff has them as pretty athletic, etc, which probably means really really Butch warriors... But i see them more as Onna-bugeisha and "refined" warriors with skill and grace rather than brute force of the common Imperial citizen.
To that mind, i'd say they're closer to Eldar than Space Marines. But instead of fancy Eldar technology, they still have the "Crude" power armour, bolter, flamer and melta weaponry.
A sort of Yin and Yang warrior: "manly" in their weapons and gear, but "girly" in their behaviour/physicality.
BlackTalos wrote: "refined" warriors with skill and grace rather than brute force of the common Imperial citizen.
Are you describing a squad of almost naked brutally self-castigated half-mad berzerks that use huge, crude chain weapons to destroy everything they can reach before dying as refined and graceful ?
I know the repentia are a pretty specific case, but Sisters evoke more “violently in your face” than “subtle”. Sure, they are going to need to rely more on skill than space marines to achieve stuff because they lack the extra strength from gene manipulation (hence awesome units like the “fast, evasive gunslingers” seraphims). They will still use excessive brute force on every occasion they have to.
BlackTalos wrote: A sort of Yin and Yang warrior: "manly" in their weapons and gear, but "girly" in their behaviour/physicality.
Do we really need to assign gender roles to little pretend people now in how masculine or feminine they and their equipment are? Because the only place to go from here to start discussing which weapon is more like which genitalia and why that makes it masculine or feminine.
BlackTalos wrote: "refined" warriors with skill and grace rather than brute force of the common Imperial citizen.
Are you describing a squad of almost naked brutally self-castigated half-mad berzerks that use huge, crude chain weapons to destroy everything they can reach before dying as refined and graceful ?
I know the repentia are a pretty specific case, but Sisters evoke more “violently in your face” than “subtle”. Sure, they are going to need to rely more on skill than space marines to achieve stuff because they lack the extra strength from gene manipulation (hence awesome units like the “fast, evasive gunslingers” seraphims). They will still use excessive brute force on every occasion they have to.
BlackTalos wrote: A sort of Yin and Yang warrior: "manly" in their weapons and gear, but "girly" in their behaviour/physicality.
Manly? Girly? I… Well… Really?
The thing is, when you say "They will still use excessive brute force", i fully agree, but that's because of the Tanks, Melta, Bolters, etc that they have... Not the characteristics of the driver inside (including Power armour).
As for "manly", "girly", i was using Crimson's wording. You could say "feminine", "masculine" or even use gender-less "buff, muscular, rough" as opposed to "refined, honed, graceful".
As to Repentia, indeed, i see them (and i think fluff agrees - Have you read Faith and Fire?) more as Ballet-dancers skilfully throwing an Eviscerator at your face, than complete utter Blood-thirsty frenzy i'd see in Acro-Flagelants or Khorne Berserkers.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Do we really need to assign gender roles to little pretend people now in how masculine or feminine they and their equipment are? Because the only place to go from here to start discussing which weapon is more like which genitalia and why that makes it masculine or feminine.
And frankly I don't want to do that today.
I did not mean to offend in any way... If anything, I think that "Girly" =/= weak. Why does something have to be "not Girly" in order to be strong? Again, using wording for the lack of better... How else can we talk of this? =P
Also, look at Manchu's words in my sig to relate meaning of what i'm trying to convey...
ClockworkZion wrote: You didn't offend, I just don't see the need to throw gendering into the mix on this.
I see what you mean... but that is relatively hard to do if you compare Space Marines and Adepta Sororitas lol And even harder if you decide to talk about the "character" of these models (AS)
BlackTalos wrote: The thing is, when you say "They will still use excessive brute force", i fully agree, but that's because of the Tanks, Melta, Bolters, etc that they have... Not the characteristics of the driver inside (including Power armour).
No, that is because of who they are: violent religious extremists that embrace indiscriminate violence warmly. They did not decide to take heavy flamer because they could not get shuriken catapults. They decided to take heavy flamer because they love to see the heretics screaming in agony as their charred flesh is falling from their bodies.
BlackTalos wrote: As for "manly", "girly", i was using Crimson's wording. You could say "feminine", "masculine"
That is pretty much the same to me. See ClockworkZion's post.
BlackTalos wrote: or even use gender-less "buff, muscular, rough" as opposed to "refined, honed, graceful".
Yeah, better. Where would you put my avatar on that scale ?
BlackTalos wrote: As to Repentia, indeed, i see them (and i think fluff agrees - Have you read Faith and Fire?) more as Ballet-dancers skilfully throwing an Eviscerator at your face, than complete utter Blood-thirsty frenzy i'd see in Acro-Flagelants or Khorne Berserkers.
I read Faith and Fire, I do not remember this. You must be confusing Repentia for wyches. Wyches uses knives and gladiatorial, finesse weapons to deal with their enemy. Repentia use huge, cumbersome weapons that spills fountains of blood and human debris all over the place. Wyches train for most of their waking hours to perfect their skills. Repentia just run at you with a death wish! Repentia are too obsessed with self-mortification for training, and they certainly will not focus on dodging, but on utterly destroying anyone they can reach. I would say repentia likely have less self-preservation instinct that khornate berserkers, if that is possible. And the same appetite for destruction, even though they are more discriminate in who they wants to destroy. I can totally see the berserker caring more about being good fencers than the repentia, because the berserker wants to keep killing if possible while the repentia just wants to die fighting.
BlackTalos wrote: If anything, I think that "Girly" =/= weak. Why does something have to be "not Girly" in order to be strong?
That is not the problem. The problem is assigning characteristics to genders in a quite arbitrary way.
BlackTalos wrote: The thing is, when you say "They will still use excessive brute force", i fully agree, but that's because of the Tanks, Melta, Bolters, etc that they have... Not the characteristics of the driver inside (including Power armour).
No, that is because of who they are: violent religious extremists that embrace indiscriminate violence warmly. They did not decide to take heavy flamer because they could not get shuriken catapults. They decided to take heavy flamer because they love to see the heretics screaming in agony as their charred flesh is falling from their bodies.
I completely agree again. Of course they'd not even touch shuriken catapults if they could...Heretic!
But what you describe does not sound like a physical trait. Which is what i was referring to previously, with the hair and all. I suppose that is also psychological in its own way.....
But then again, they don't have to exclude each other either...
BlackTalos wrote: or even use gender-less "buff, muscular, rough" as opposed to "refined, honed, graceful".
Yeah, better.
Where would you put my avatar on that scale ?
Wherever you would put it. I don't see it as exclusively on one side or the other... Only on the side we decide it would be (so i'd go for "refined"... I mean, hair like that doesn't curl itself )
BlackTalos wrote: As to Repentia, indeed, i see them (and i think fluff agrees - Have you read Faith and Fire?) more as Ballet-dancers skilfully throwing an Eviscerator at your face, than complete utter Blood-thirsty frenzy i'd see in Acro-Flagelants or Khorne Berserkers.
I read Faith and Fire, I do not remember this. You must be confusing Repentia for wyches. Wyches uses knives and gladiatorial, finesse weapons to deal with their enemy. Repentia use huge, cumbersome weapons that spills fountains of blood and human debris all over the place. Wyches train for most of their waking hours to perfect their skills. Repentia just run at you with a death wish! Repentia are too obsessed with self-mortification for training, and they certainly will not focus on dodging, but on utterly destroying anyone they can reach.
I would say repentia likely have less self-preservation instinct that khornate berserkers, if that is possible. And the same appetite for destruction, even though they are more discriminate in who they wants to destroy. I can totally see the berserker caring more about being good fencers than the repentia, because the berserker wants to keep killing if possible while the repentia just wants to die fighting.
I'll try and find the passage, but (SPOILER FOR BOOK)
Spoiler:
When they attack the fortress, before Miryia jumps away on the Helicopter, there is quite a bit about the Repentia in combat.
Selfless and Brutal, sure... They do care less about training to fence than the berserkers, but they had those skills before they joined, i doubt they just loose them...
BlackTalos wrote: If anything, I think that "Girly" =/= weak. Why does something have to be "not Girly" in order to be strong?
That is not the problem. The problem is assigning characteristics to genders in a quite arbitrary way.
Not really arbitrary, but in the way we imagine the army we are collecting... Which we have because of the disagreement.
I am talking about assigning characteristics to our models who do indeed have a gender.
In no way does that carry over to perception of real life.
BlackTalos wrote: The thing is, when you say "They will still use excessive brute force", i fully agree, but that's because of the Tanks, Melta, Bolters, etc that they have... Not the characteristics of the driver inside (including Power armour).
No, that is because of who they are: violent religious extremists that embrace indiscriminate violence warmly. They did not decide to take heavy flamer because they could not get shuriken catapults. They decided to take heavy flamer because they love to see the heretics screaming in agony as their charred flesh is falling from their bodies.
Actually I'm pretty sure it has more to do with tying them to being religious as fire is typically seen as a way to cleanse that which is unclean or impure (probably largely due to things like the Black Plague, as well as how possessions were "cleansed" if a person had TB).
BlackTalos wrote: The thing is, when you say "They will still use excessive brute force", i fully agree, but that's because of the Tanks, Melta, Bolters, etc that they have... Not the characteristics of the driver inside (including Power armour).
No, that is because of who they are: violent religious extremists that embrace indiscriminate violence warmly. They did not decide to take heavy flamer because they could not get shuriken catapults. They decided to take heavy flamer because they love to see the heretics screaming in agony as their charred flesh is falling from their bodies.
Actually I'm pretty sure it has more to do with tying them to being religious as fire is typically seen as a way to cleanse that which is unclean or impure (probably largely due to things like the Black Plague, as well as how possessions were "cleansed" if a person had TB).
Actually, yeah i was more on the 14th Century "burn the witch" religious piers side than such a "let's see them suffer" angle of things...
The melta being an extension of granting Peace to an enemy by complete annihilation. I mean, being De-atomised sounds purer than cleansing by flame...
BlackTalos wrote: But what you describe does not sound like a physical trait.
Well, what counts as a physical trait in a weapon?
BlackTalos wrote: Well going by dictionary definitions... If that's bad? lol
Yeah, I guess that is bad.
BlackTalos wrote: I'll try and find the passage, but (SPOILER FOR BOOK)
Spoiler:
When they attack the fortress, before Miryia jumps away on the Helicopter, there is quite a bit about the Repentia in combat.
Selfless and Brutal, sure... They do care less about training to fence than the berserkers, but they had those skills before they joined, i doubt they just loose them...
I do remember that there is a description of repentia fighting in it, I just do not remember how they are described.
Sisters hardly had superior fencing skills with WS 3 before becoming repentia, WS4 at max for Celestians. They focus on learning how to shoot, not how to use a weapon that they almost never field outside of repentia, and a weapon so heavy that you cannot really fence with…
BlackTalos wrote: Not really arbitrary, but in the way we imagine the army we are collecting...
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I do not have a problem with assigning the Sisters to blunt force or finesse, I have a problem assigning blunt force to masculinity and finesse to femininity.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I thought melta killed by throwing very, very heated air at their target. Heat enough to have them melt.
The thermodynamics behind that are probably utterly nonsensical. Heat the air up enough to actually contain enough energy to melt armor and instead you'd probably just cause it to boil off as plasma and incinerate the shooter and anyone standing nearby as soon as the gun fired, or something equally impractical.
DarkLink wrote: The thermodynamics behind that are probably utterly nonsensical. Heat the air up enough to actually contain enough energy to melt armor and instead you'd probably just cause it to boil off as plasma and incinerate the shooter and anyone standing nearby as soon as the gun fired, or something equally impractical.
It shoots two different gases, at a very high velocity. They have a reaction together that creates a LOT of heat. And then, undefined science technomagic happen, and everything works!
JohnHwangDD wrote: The thing that makes women's hair goofy is when they cut the front too short. Especially as a bowl cut line. That's what I was reacting to: too short front hair. This is a bad look on just about everyone.
Wait, are you implying that Milla Jovovich didn't look absolutely perfect in Jeanne d'Arc? Take that back, that's heresy!
JohnHwangDD wrote: If you look at the Cosplay model, her front hair goes much longer, and it parts. Very different (and far more attractive) framing of the face.
Tho I wouldn't mind the occasional buzzcut sister. That would be pretty badass. Problem is, it requires a really good face sculptor to make it work.
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On the other hand, now you're talking!
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Milla is awesome in everything. If you've been watching the Resident Evil movies, she is vastly superior to what any Sister could ever be.
Sisters should look female. Not necessarily femme, but still female. Having seen the recent Gary Morley drag queens, I would prefer cosplay femme.
As for the shaved heads, Amber Rose would be awesome for Repentia cosplay. Yesterday's string bikini picture is NSFW, so you'll have to Google it. but she rocks a shaved head like nobody's business.
And she's a mutant which automatically makes her inferior to the Sisters. Also she doesn't pray to the God Emperor which makes her a Heretic. And during the later movies she was a witch.
Basically she's more like what Chaos would create as an equivalent to the Sisters.
ClockworkZion wrote: And she's a mutant which automatically makes her inferior to the Sisters. Also she doesn't pray to the God Emperor which makes her a Heretic. And during the later movies she was a witch.
Basically she's more like what Chaos would create as an equivalent to the Sisters.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Nope. Sisters are roughly equivalent to the Umbrella Corp mooks. She'd cut through them like butter.
Someone fails to recognize how the Emperor Protects. Sisters can keep fighting after getting nailed with just about anything in the game. A Marine can not. Therefore Sisters are the superior ones in this debate.
To clarify, when I said 'girly' I did not mean it as opposite to manly, I merely meant traditionally 'pretty' hairstyle. I want SoB to have certain grim and gritty edginess, that perfectly combed bob-cut just does not convey.
Crimson wrote: To clarify, when I said 'girly' I did not mean it as opposite to manly, I merely meant traditionally 'pretty' hairstyle. I want SoB to have certain grim and gritty edginess, that perfectly combed bob-cut just does not convey.
Looking for more of a Pixie Cut look like what Celestine appears to have then?
Looking for more of a Pixie Cut look like what Celestine appears to have then?
That is certainly better, though what Celestine has seems more like messy standard sister hairdo; she still has long hair on the sides. In any case, pixie cut would be an improvement, but buzz cut would be the best; it conveys being a badass and fits the ascetic, monastic nature of the Sisters.
Looking for more of a Pixie Cut look like what Celestine appears to have then?
That is certainly better, though what Celestine has seems more like messy standard sister hairdo; she still has long hair on the sides. In any case, pixie cut would be an improvement, but buzz cut would be the best; it conveys being a badass and fits the ascetic, monastic nature of the Sisters.
Buzzcut is too Scout Marine for my tastes. Bald perhaps, or something simple sure, but not something that the marines wear.
Also buzzcuts just say "military" more than "nun" to me.
Agreed. I'm at least digging mine back out because of the rumors and have finally caved to start allying things in. Namely an Knight Errant and, in time, Black Templars.
DarkLink wrote: The thermodynamics behind that are probably utterly nonsensical. Heat the air up enough to actually contain enough energy to melt armor and instead you'd probably just cause it to boil off as plasma and incinerate the shooter and anyone standing nearby as soon as the gun fired, or something equally impractical.
It shoots two different gases, at a very high velocity. They have a reaction together that creates a LOT of heat. And then, undefined science technomagic happen, and everything works!
The techno-space science:
"projecting the resulting plasma through the cannister and from the weapon's barrel as a blast of incredible heat" "the Multi-Melta resembles two Meltaguns fused together, with thermal beams that coalesce into a single powerful beam with a longer effective range than their smaller cousins"
As to what the beam is:
"inducing a minute, sub-molecular nuclear fusion reaction"
TL : DR: Melta gun shoot Suns. I mean, if that is not delivering Holy fire...
Crimson wrote: To clarify, when I said 'girly' I did not mean it as opposite to manly, I merely meant traditionally 'pretty' hairstyle. I want SoB to have certain grim and gritty edginess, that perfectly combed bob-cut just does not convey.
Looking for more of a Pixie Cut look like what Celestine appears to have then?
I also think it's the bob-cut, just "flying bob-cut" (<--- Fluff art)
ClockworkZion wrote: Yeah, my collection could use a few of those as well:
That'd get me everything I'd need to run a Holy Trinity of Knights right there.
I replaced the standard guy with the Acheron.
I mean, he's the Holy Trinity on his own.... (with the added MM on his shoulder )
Plus, cleansing flame template of Doooooom!
How does 1 square inch of scalp produce a huge plume of hair? I think they'd get at most a little braided rat-tail out of it.
Do Sisters use that little patch to weave in a massive number of hair extensions that they blow out vigoriously to create a huge pony tail? The mind boggles at how much work must be required.
Or perhaps the pony tail attaches to their smooth, bald head with a suction cup? Then, when it's time to sleep, *pop!*, off it goes.
JohnHwangDD wrote: How does 1 square inch of scalp produce a huge plume of hair? I think they'd get at most a little braided rat-tail out of it.
Do Sisters use that little patch to weave in a massive number of hair extensions that they blow out vigoriously to create a huge pony tail? The mind boggles at how much work must be required.
Or perhaps the pony tail attaches to their smooth, bald head with a suction cup? Then, when it's time to sleep, *pop!*, off it goes.
Woven out of the hair of rogue psykers. That'd be my guess.
JohnHwangDD wrote: How does 1 square inch of scalp produce a huge plume of hair? I think they'd get at most a little braided rat-tail out of it.
Do Sisters use that little patch to weave in a massive number of hair extensions that they blow out vigoriously to create a huge pony tail? The mind boggles at how much work must be required.
Or perhaps the pony tail attaches to their smooth, bald head with a suction cup? Then, when it's time to sleep, *pop!*, off it goes.
If Naftka is actually right once than GW could release SOB tomorrow.
It is possible they are waiting for the Sisters of Silence to be done by FW before releasing similar models.
I've been burned by model rumors in the past and for the time being I only have faith in the codex rumors. Its a past that SoB have had reliable codex rumors but very un-reliable model rumors.
If Naftka is actually right once than GW could release SOB tomorrow.
Though, you'd think that an imminent SoB release would be pretty big news in the hobby. The idea of all of the reliable rumour sources simply failing to see it coming beforehand amuses me.
Bronzefists42 wrote: It is possible they are waiting for the Sisters of Silence to be done by FW before releasing similar models.
Why? No need to be beholden to FW. Especially on a major army update, which would be more important than whatever FW is doing.
ClockworkZion wrote: Harry only tracks WFB, and then just barely. 40k Radio is your only really hope and they seem to have run out of rumors these days.
They JUST predicted necrons correctly. I wouldn't say they ran out.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Or perhaps the pony tail attaches to their smooth, bald head with a suction cup? Then, when it's time to sleep, *pop!*, off it goes.
I'd go with this one, but being 40k and slightly more grim-dark, i think the "suction cup" part is tame.
Bronzefists42 wrote: It is possible they are waiting for the Sisters of Silence to be done by FW before releasing similar models.
A) Doubt they'd wait for that, FW releases according to GW, not the other way round...
B) FW was telling me book 8-9 of HH for Sisters of Silence (around those numbers, vague memory), and you can tell how fast those are coming out... I think he said somwhere like 2016 (at least)...
I know it's been 9 days but this detail popped up over on Bolter and Chainsword:
Dosjetka wrote:
Dosjetka wrote:
Look at the sprue pictures. More specifically, look at the copyright year.
Yeah, that's right. 2013 These models have been packed away and kept secret for a good while now.
Quoted one of my posts from the Harlequin rumour thread.
Basically, if the Harlies have been around since 2013, could this mean that the rumours about Sisters being already done and waiting to be released have an element of truth to them?
I don't want to raise people's hopes too much, but I thought I'd still share this here to see what you all think.
Oberron wrote: Hey I got a question are there any units or vehicles or weapons that are talked about in the fluff that Sisters of battle don't have game wise?
FW has the Repressor which is out of stock and has been for a while now. But other than that there is only one thing that comes to mind:
Massive mobile cathedrals. Seems like prime Super Heavy material to me.
BlackTalos wrote:B) FW was telling me book 8-9 of HH for Sisters of Silence (around those numbers, vague memory), and you can tell how fast those are coming out... I think he said somwhere like 2016 (at least)...
Yeah, they haven't even released rules for about a third of the Legions yet. There was a fairly negative response among the 30K guys to the most recent book given that it had no new Legion rules. I mean, I'm sure they all still bought it, lol. But a lot of them weren't happy about it coming out before rules for Wolves/1KSons/Ultramarines/etc.
But he DID state necrons will be followed by quinns a few weeks ago, and said the next coming are sitkari and than SoB
So, if we get hits of sitkari, it will be relatively safe to think the sisters are finally coming. (estimated date is may)
Of what I got for the Admech rumors from Natfka is that Sitkari are not coming out for a good while (read as at least 2016 at the earliest for 40k Admech, in my option) and in the past of the times that SoB have had rumors pop up, a new SoB codex was a few months later after the rumors. Like back in 2011 we had SoB rumors and we ended getting the WD update in that same year. While I didn't follow the rumors for the SoB digital dex we got the digital dex withing the same year if not a few months of those rumors as well (didn't follow these one's so correct me if i'm wrong). With the recent SoB rumors I can be safe to assume that SoB will be getting a new codex this year before Sitkari.
I'll hold off on any model rumors till i have plastics in hand because we got the WD update last time there were model rumors.
I've heard similar murmurings around my FLGS. Certainly nothing I'd hang my hat on as a confirmation or even an above average plausibility but this trend of behavior does point in a good direction.
Oberron wrote: Hey I got a question are there any units or vehicles or weapons that are talked about in the fluff that Sisters of battle don't have game wise?
Well as Zion has pointed out there is the “Massive mobile cathedrals” on tracks.
Oberron wrote: Hey I got a question are there any units or vehicles or weapons that are talked about in the fluff that Sisters of battle don't have game wise?
Well as Zion has pointed out there is the “Massive mobile cathedrals” on tracks.
I haven't seen his name before (granted I don't hang out on HO). If you're just confirming other people's stuff though, that's not really rumor mongering.
pretre wrote: I haven't seen his name before (granted I don't hang out on HO). If you're just confirming other people's stuff though, that's not really rumor mongering.
I do know that some sisters have been done for a while
Same with new Eldar Jetbikes. We've even seen the prototypes. Yet, 10 years on, and we're still with the same old Jetbikes as ever.
Actually the Eldar Jetbikes never made it into production. Goodwin said that with the Eldar update he was limited to one thing of the line to update so went with the Wraithguard. Bikes and Aspect Warriors got skipped because of it.
Same with new Eldar Jetbikes. We've even seen the prototypes. Yet, 10 years on, and we're still with the same old Jetbikes as ever.
So what? It's a big company making lots of miniatures.
I am pretty sure that for every miniature GW actually releases, 3 others failed to get a green light to go beyond the prototype/3D-print/resin mock-up stage and 10 failed to get a green light to go beyond the CAD/concept stage.
Numbers randomly made up by myself, but as a general gist. The number of miniatures Jes Goodwin (and all the other sculptors) made that did not get releases probably outnumber those that did get released many times over.
Harlequins are about as niche as they come, a sublist of something that is not Space Marines, not Eldar. And yet, GW saw fit to move them to plastic over higher volume Aspects in a mainline army.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Harlequins are about as niche as they come, a sublist of something that is not Space Marines, not Eldar. And yet, GW saw fit to move them to plastic over higher volume Aspects in a mainline army.
They had a codex in the past. GW is bringing back old codexes. This is unrelated to other codex releases.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Harlequins are about as niche as they come, a sublist of something that is not Space Marines, not Eldar. And yet, GW saw fit to move them to plastic over higher volume Aspects in a mainline army.
Yes.
Though they don't appear to be a sub-faction no more. They seem to be their own line/faction now, no less than Grey Knights or Orks.
Either way, one possible reason might have been that aspect sculpts/miniatures "failed" the muster at some point in the design process (if they ever went into the pipeline recently), for aesthetics, production problems, or perhaps even the difficulties of publishing either an "Aspect Warrior Codex" and/ or a completely new Craftworlder Codex at this point in time.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Harlequins are about as niche as they come, a sublist of something that is not Space Marines, not Eldar. And yet, GW saw fit to move them to plastic over higher volume Aspects in a mainline army.
They had a codex in the past. GW is bringing back old codexes. This is unrelated to other codex releases.
Untrue. The Harlequins have NEVER had a Codex. Never.
The Harlequins had a couple of Citadel Journal articles that created a list, and it was legal to play as such. But it was never a Codex. Not even something like the Codex: Assassins pamphlet from 2E. Not even published in White Dwarf.
If you go back, Harlequins were in the 2E Eldar Codex, and then reappeared as a slimmed down Elites pick, but never has there ever been a proper Codex: Eldar Harlequins.
Sure. Just wanted to clarify, considering how narrow the Harlequins range has been, along with their Codex status.
Now compare with Eldar Aspects and/or Sisters of Battle - both of which have had proper Codices dating back to 2E, with new Codices in every edition for Eldar, and nearly every edition for Sisters.
It boggles the mind that GW creates new plastic Harlequins with their "expensive" sculpting and tooling process, but won't do this for Aspects or Sisters. That's insane.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Sure. Just wanted to clarify, considering how narrow the Harlequins range has been, along with their Codex status.
Now compare with Eldar Aspects and/or Sisters of Battle - both of which have had proper Codices dating back to 2E, with new Codices in every edition for Eldar, and nearly every edition for Sisters.
It boggles the mind that GW creates new plastic Harlequins with their "expensive" sculpting and tooling process, but won't do this for Aspects or Sisters. That's insane.
Charles are getting what? 4 kits? Sisters arguably need more than that (Basic Sister with upgrades to help cover the different units that use that body, Canoness, Seraphim, Repentia, Priest/Confessor, Named characters (either the ones we have or new ones), Exorcist and Penitent Engine) and that's not counting splitting the different units into their own boxes with extra heavies or specials or making each unit distinct.
And how many Aspects and Phoenix Lords need an update to plastic again?
This is just a much cheaper release is all and doing it this way means that budget wise the Eldar have room for other stuff to be updated.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Sure. Just wanted to clarify, considering how narrow the Harlequins range has been, along with their Codex status.
Now compare with Eldar Aspects and/or Sisters of Battle - both of which have had proper Codices dating back to 2E, with new Codices in every edition for Eldar, and nearly every edition for Sisters.
It boggles the mind that GW creates new plastic Harlequins with their "expensive" sculpting and tooling process, but won't do this for Aspects or Sisters. That's insane.
Charles are getting what? 4 kits? Sisters arguably need more than that (Basic Sister with upgrades to help cover the different units that use that body, Canoness, Seraphim, Repentia, Priest/Confessor, Named characters (either the ones we have or new ones), Exorcist and Penitent Engine) and that's not counting splitting the different units into their own boxes with extra heavies or specials or making each unit distinct.
And how many Aspects and Phoenix Lords need an update to plastic again?
This is just a much cheaper release is all and doing it this way means that budget wise the Eldar have room for other stuff to be updated.
You could do a GK-style Sisters release with three plastic kits if you didn't add any new units (PA Battle Sisters, Repentia, and their tanks, four kits if you didn't want to put alternate legs into the Battle Sisters box for Seraphim).
As to Aspect Warriors a lot of the armour elements are common, an acrobatic-posed light-armour kit that builds Swooping Hawks or Howling Banshees, a mobile-pose heavy-armour kit that builds Warp Spiders and Striking Scorpions, a static-pose heavy-armour kit that builds Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons, and a resculpted Jetbike kit with parts to build them as Shining Spears and you're good. Presumably it'd have to be spread out quite a bit since then you'd have to make clampack Phoenix Lords, but GW has released Codexes with more than four new plastic kits before (not often but it's happened).
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