darkness screamer wrote: Soon be time for his painting book to come out and rumour has it there will possibly be a figure included with advanced orders
Also since its a limited print run and from what we were told and he is not going to print more... everyone should be pre-ordering as soon as it is available.
Pacific wrote: Had a quick look but my Spanish isn't up to it.
Do you have a link Darkness Screamer?
My Spanish is useless as well.
Facebook posted:
My paint book will be in print the next wednesday, excited!!!!!!!
5500 copies, limited edition!!!!
I'll publish photos of process
Thanks Dia Cash
This might only be the publishing company ?
Ah OK!
I was searching the site for a link to buy the book, but after a few moments wondered if all I would find is how someone turned 50p into £700,000, and now I could do it too, or really the cosmetic companies don't want you to know how this 65 year-old woman looks only 50
I've been refreshing the Corvus Belli website/Angel's Facebook all day and it's still not up. I'm paranoid it's going to go up while I'm on the way home from work and it'll be sold out when I get back.
caylentor wrote: I've been refreshing the Corvus Belli website/Angel's Facebook all day and it's still not up. I'm paranoid it's going to go up while I'm on the way home from work and it'll be sold out when I get back.
Just placed my pre order with Firestorm games, spoke to the guy on the phone and said i was only the 5th or so pre order thus far so guaranteed mine unless they only get 5 copys sent haha... I don't know if its just a bad picture but the limited edition mini looks a bit meh...
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caylentor wrote: I have an hour long meeting starting at 10am - I'm going to come back to everywhere being sold out, aren't I?
You know when limited edition stuff like this goes for sale im pretty sure that there are guys out there that order 20+ copys just for themselves then sell them on for substantially more on ebay when the products no longer available to buy elsewhere anymore... i can see that happening with this too...
I've just ordered from both Wayland and Firestorm (I've had a bad track record with Wayland so I'm hedging my bets) - fingers crossed that Firestorm get a decent number of books in, they seem to have a pretty good reputation.
caylentor wrote: I've just ordered from both Wayland and Firestorm (I've had a bad track record with Wayland so I'm hedging my bets) - fingers crossed that Firestorm get a decent number of books in, they seem to have a pretty good reputation.
Yeah, I havent pre ordered with Wayland before but have read about bad experiences from people that have...so didnt want to chance it.
anab0lic wrote: Just placed my pre order with Firestorm games, spoke to the guy on the phone and said i was only the 5th or so pre order thus far so guaranteed mine unless they only get 5 copys sent haha... I don't know if its just a bad picture but the limited edition mini looks a bit meh...
Well I got my preorder in there nearly 2 hours earlier than your post, so looking good!
ComTrav wrote: Felt almost ashamed pre-ordering it, like I'm really not worthy.
Hey now, save all that shame until you actually have the book and read through it. That's my plan.
I'll attempt some of his techniques - without an airbrush because that's not central to his approach at all - and compare the results. The next day you'll probably see a Swap Shop thread by me with generous terms.
Really hope that there is some non-airbrush technique in there, considering my airbrush is a cheap knock-off (not a Iwata 9000+ with Carl Zeiss lense) and I definitely don't have preternatural airbrushing skills!
If not I guess I will at least be able to stare wistfully at some lovely miniature pictures..
Pacific wrote: Really hope that there is some non-airbrush technique in there, considering my airbrush is a cheap knock-off (not a Iwata 9000+ with Carl Zeiss lense) and I definitely don't have preternatural airbrushing skills!
You don't have to have airbrushing skills, just having an expensive airbrush does not translate into being a better painter either. He does use a fairly good combination of airbursh and brush, as well as explaining the reasons behind what he is doing. Most of his methods can be applied to the brush. Usually with the airbrush it is primer, base color, and some presade. After that almost everything else, including the details are usually done with a brush. There is no reason to need an expensive airbrush, just like painting with a brush it is all about technique that you have to learn with practice.
The main reason airbrushing tends to look magical compared to a brush really comes down to thinning your paint and light layers. With an airbrush this is easy to achieve because the paint needs to already be thinned, which means light layers over the model. You can do the same with a rattle-can but it is easier with an airbrush because of the control (even with cheap airbrushes). You can still mess it up if you put on thick layers. With a brush the same technique can be used, if you thin your paints properly and apply light layers, letting it dry before applying it then you can achieve the similar effect. A lot of beginners will follow tutorials to the paint techniques, understand the techniques but don't' achieve the same result because they paint straight from the bottle instead of thinning out. In my case I tend to sometimes get impatient.
First, while I'll never be able to paint as well as Angel, I do like reading painting tutorials to see if there's a technique I might actually be able to accomplish. And learning from the best is always good.
Second, there's going to be some great conversions in there, particularly the TAG pilot conversions and the contact girl custom sculpt bust, and I love seeing stuff like that.
Third, I really do like the Joan model. If I ever decide to do PanO (and it's tempted me more than once), I want that model.
The fact that it's just over $50 makes it a pretty cheap buy as well.
Disaster? Completely selling out the book via pre-order? Sounds like a resounding success to me... at least for Angel. and Congratulations to him for it.
Red Harvest wrote: Disaster? Completely selling out the book via pre-order? Sounds like a resounding success to me... at least for Angel. and Congratulations to him for it.
Yes well done Angel and I`m a huge fan but its a disaster because there are thousands of Infinity fans feeling left out,no matter what spin you put on it.
Plus people were allowed to buy 3 books in one order which means we are going to see fleabay vultures re-selling the book for £100`s of pounds to devoted fans.
He did the book thing his way(and that's fine) just give the fans a chance and now either re-print it(knowing the huge demand) or even better make it digital
darkness screamer wrote: What a laught, out of stock on the Corvus site before I could get a copy.
Fixed.
If it was sold out before anybody could get a copy, they couldn't have put any up for sale. People obviously got copies for it to sell out.
As a humorous aside, it appears that someone really wants me to get a copy. I watched the stock run down from the place I was going to order from, because financially I wasn't in the best place to pre-pay for it. Then the next day I got an email from my FLGS that they've reserved a copy for me. I could have ended up with 2 copies!
Hopefully the FLGS I ordered with has got a copy for me, I have no idea so far though (and suspect they don't either).
Logistics for this one is going to be fun I should imagine.
One thing I will say; The book apparently sold out within 30 seconds of going on sale on CB's site. If Angel doesn't order another print run (with or without the mini), he is a nutter (or.. maybe a secret millionaire or something! )
Red Harvest wrote: Disaster? Completely selling out the book via pre-order? Sounds like a resounding success to me... at least for Angel. and Congratulations to him for it.
Yes well done Angel and I`m a huge fan but its a disaster because there are thousands of Infinity fans feeling left out,no matter what spin you put on it.
Plus people were allowed to buy 3 books in one order which means we are going to see fleabay vultures re-selling the book for £100`s of pounds to devoted fans.
He did the book thing his way(and that's fine) just give the fans a chance and now either re-print it(knowing the huge demand) or even better make it digital
Ah. I'm not sure I would call that a disaster, but you do make a good point.
If enough people 'rabble-rabble' for an ebook, or kindle book-- since Amazon makes things pretty easy for self-publishing authors, I would hope that he would do it. As for the re-sellers....Hmmm, special ring in Hell and all that. I hope some of those who bought multiple copies intend to give them away as prizes at tournaments-- a good way to get people to your tournament, no? yeah, wishful thinking.
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Pacific wrote: Hopefully the FLGS I ordered with has got a copy for me, I have no idea so far though (and suspect they don't either).
Logistics for this one is going to be fun I should imagine.
One thing I will say; The book apparently sold out within 30 seconds of going on sale on CB's site. If Angel doesn't order another print run (with or without the mini), he is a nutter (or.. maybe a secret millionaire or something! )
He needs the funds for Volume II. Why release a Volume I if there is not going to be a Volume II.
I would prefer an ebook at this point, since you could magnify the images etc, which would be a huge help.
Looks like my FLGS has at least 5-6 people pre-ordering a copy. Distributor apparently wasnt worried about getting that many but I guess we won't know until the box arrives.
Dropbear Victim wrote: On the plus side of missing out, I no longer need to source an air brush.
Angel still does the more exceptional work by hand. Airbrushing is a way to get the base colours down and some pre-shading quickly and smoothly for the most part. So the book will have plenty of brushwork explanations.
Yeah...this could have been handled much better. I was unable to get a copy, which is really frustrating. I do hope they do a digital version as I'd like that at the very minimum....
So checked with FLGS, they might be able to get 8 in, I asked for my name to be put down for pre-order if they get them... I was the 9th person on the list. :L
I don't get this ? If all the 5500 books have gone where are they going to get stock from ? There are already lots of posts on the Infinity forums where people have pre ordered books and paid and are getting e-mails telling them the company was unable to get any books so here is your money back !!!
darkness screamer wrote: I don't get this ? If all the 5500 books have gone where are they going to get stock from ? There are already lots of posts on the Infinity forums where people have pre ordered books and paid and are getting e-mails telling them the company was unable to get any books so here is your money back !!!
It usually means, just like the retailers, that they have a set of books that are distributed to them by a distributor. They may not have exact numbers of the books and as it is a limited run, there are always a chance that some orders may not get fulfilled. This happened to a degree with Operation Ice Storm, until they did a second run to make up for it (although it caused some slight delays). This just ensures they will sell what they get, when they know for sure what they are getting.
Looks like Angel is going to be reprinting his book, which is good for everyone that missed it.
From his Facebook:
A Book That Helps Painters
First, I’d like to make it clear that while Corvus Belli and Vallejo are supporting this project, I have made all the decisions related to it. Please don’t direct your anger or frustration at them.
This book was my dream, but now it is my nightmare. Discussions, then criticisms, then insults…
When I started this project in 2013, I believed it would be a success, but no one else did. “A paint book, Angel? You’re crazy! You’re stupid! Hahaha!”. But I wanted to write it for my fans. I did market research, I studied my Facebook and blog statistics, I talked to stores, painters, companies, etc. I learned that selling more than 4,000 books would be very difficult. Nobody believed in this project. But I did.
I presented my project to Corvus Belli and Vallejo because I needed some help to sell the book, and they have the means to help me. They said “Yes!”, they trusted me and my idea. And so I decided to make 5,500 books – I didn’t think I would sell more than that.
I was afraid that if too many books didn’t sell, that Corvus Belli and Vallejo would be upset with me. So, during 2014, I advertised my project all over Facebook and my blog. Imagine my surprise when I began 2014 with 3,000 followers and I now have 8,700.
My mistake was underestimating my fans and followers. I didn’t expect this demand, and neither did Corvus Belli or Vallejo. As a result, many of my followers were not able to get a copy of my book, and that frustrates and saddens me.
This is a difficult decision because I decided on a “limited edition” of 5,500 copies because that’s what I could afford and, more importantly, what I thought would sell.
I’m stressed about this, I’m not happy. I re-watched my presentation video and I read the phrase “a book that helps painters”. That’s the spirit of my book. How could a book help painters if they can’t get a copy of it?
This has not been an easy decision, but I have decided to reprint this book. For those of you who have already ordered a copy, I hope you understand why I am making it available to more people. For those of you who have not yet ordered a copy, please be patient as I sort out the details.
I will post more information here as the second printing progresses.
I want to thank you all for your support. I hope this book truly helps all of you.
Angel Giraldez
http://youtu.be/7g_s6q0068g
The Warstore's Facebook Page wrote:
We have been informed that we can get more of the Infinity: Painting miniatures from A to Z, Angel Giraldez Masterclass Volume 1 w/ FREE Joan of Arc Miniature ~ LATE FEB. However, we must have any PreOrders placed by midnight Thursday, February 13th (late Thursday night). http://www.thewarstore.com/product100509.html
caylentor wrote: Yeah, and hopefully he doesn't end up with a bunch of books he can't sell this time (like he was originally afraid of).
I don't think that will be a problem. The way things usually work, he will make enough from the first printing that the second won't break him, even if it doesn't sell. That being said, it would appear the demand is there.
I too was saddened to read that he had to endure, well, , "This book was my dream, but now it is my nightmare. Discussions, then criticisms, then insults…"
Criticism is fine. He is an artist. He can, or should be able to, take that. The insults, no excuses for them. Not one.
More Jeanne D'Arc minis though? Not a bad move on CB's part, get one of the minis in the hands of painters who might otherwise have never painted a CB mini. I suppose Angel has an arrangement similar to the one CB has with Tabitha the Cosplayer. Her LE mini, she still sells via her store, and apparently can order more from CB.
I wonder how this will affect Miniature Market's arrangement, to sell the books when they get them in?
palaeomerus wrote: I pre-re-ordered it from the Warstore so I'd have a book of better painting than I can do to make me sad.
I hope Neil isn't blowing smoke up my butt and really actually can get me a second printing.
Just put my pre-order in as well. Did I see somewhere that Neal handles the overall US distribution for CB? Given the hard pre-order cutoff date and it's still listed as a late-Feb delivery, I'm guessing the presses are already fired up and the number of additional pre-orders by Friday will dictate the size of the print run.
Got my preorder in and bought some MDF vehicles while I was at it. If I dont feel confident painting the fine details of miniatures, I'll just use the painting knowledge on the terrain.
palaeomerus wrote: I pre-re-ordered it from the Warstore so I'd have a book of better painting than I can do to make me sad.
I hope Neil isn't blowing smoke up my butt and really actually can get me a second printing.
Just put my pre-order in as well. Did I see somewhere that Neal handles the overall US distribution for CB? Given the hard pre-order cutoff date and it's still listed as a late-Feb delivery, I'm guessing the presses are already fired up and the number of additional pre-orders by Friday will dictate the size of the print run.
yeah we talked about it up in the N&R
TheWarStore has an affiliated distribution company named e-figures , they are the primary if not the only CB distributor in the US. This is why typically TheWarStore will be able to ship out their preorders faster then others since they are in close proximity to not only their distribution hub, but also the US Customs location the items come in from.
Ironically, I might not be able to pick up the second book that was put aside for me. Not only is it still not a great time financially to grab the book, but I'm going in for surgery tomorrow and will be recovering for weeks, so I won't have time to grab it.
I seriously hope that the figure will still come with later printings of the book. That new Joan and Fusiliers models have finally convinced me to take the plunge and start playing Infinity.
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Absolutionis wrote: Seems that my WarStore order has also shipped as of February 25th. Glorious!
Same here. If I didn't have a job with significant responsibilities, I'd be camping out at the front door for the UPS guy for the next few days.
Hopefully the weather cooperates!
Well, first time I've been let down by Element Games.
Got my pre-order in for this book as soon as the first run was available to order. Was meant to be shipping today, but at some point over the course of the day, they've now changed their expected date to the end of March !!
Be interested to know if anyone else had ordered through them and have had it sent.
caylentor wrote: The end of March is going to be for the second printing - did they sell out that fast?
Not sure what's happened, haven't heard anything from them.
What they've done in the past is put items up for pre order then as soon as their allocation has been ordered, they change the item to no longer available. I got in there for the first run before they went unavailable.
Earlier today, my order status was that it was going to ship before end of day, then at some point it changed to end of March.
Can only imagine they either didn't get as many as they thought they were going to, or something's happened with the initial shipment. Bit of a shame they haven't sent an update out yet as I imagine like others, I was quite looking forward to receiving the book.
Bellyfluff wrote: Well, first time I've been let down by Element Games.
Got my pre-order in for this book as soon as the first run was available to order. Was meant to be shipping today, but at some point over the course of the day, they've now changed their expected date to the end of March !!
Be interested to know if anyone else had ordered through them and have had it sent.
Regards
I've ordered from them but have yet to hear anything..
They did email me to say when N3 was being delayed, so not sure what is going on here?
Pacific wrote: Ah yes, I've just got that email as well!
It doesn't stipulate whether I ordered early enough or not to get the first batch... guess I will have to wait and fingers crossed!
That email took a little while to get my head around.
Basically I'm waiting for an email to let me know if I got my order in early enough in the first printing pre-order. Suddenly, I'm even more grateful that there was a second print run.
It really seems like a professional expansion of those step-by-step guides that Giraldez posts on Facebook. The latter part of the book is just step-by-steps of different models highlighting different technique in the same style as the Facebook albums with regards to the paint color and location it's applied. However, the translation is much clearer and the explanations are slightly more in-depth. The majority of the "Masterclass" section is still mostly consisting of images with explanatory captions.
The first part of the book highlights techniques like NMM, stippling, and such. It's much more of a how-to guide on the techniques themselves rather than painting a specific model in a specific color scheme.
I'm happy that the book doesn't waste space on super-fundamental topics that other guides go into like cleaning your models and how to drybrush.
Overall seems like a solid buy. I'll still be looking at pictures online because they're bigger.
correct me if i'm wrong, Absolutionis, but my gut feeling is that a simple thing like Angel showing how he uses liquid mask will be a revelation for a lot of the airbrush guys...
it is not something i see a lot of people using, or at least talking about using...
did you have an "ah-ha" moment about the liquid mask???
it seems like a very useful product for airbrush mini painters...
I started using it recently. There's a bit of a learning curve to it (especially masking crevices) and it destroys brushes, but it's really useful. I've only used it on terrain so far but I'll be trying it out on miniatures soon.
jah-joshua wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, Absolutionis, but my gut feeling is that a simple thing like Angel showing how he uses liquid mask will be a revelation for a lot of the airbrush guys...
it is not something i see a lot of people using, or at least talking about using...
did you have an "ah-ha" moment about the liquid mask???
it seems like a very useful product for airbrush mini painters...
cheers
jah
I did not, but that was only because he explained to me on facebook that he used it before when I asked about one of the models. And like others have said, it is not as easy as it looks, besides the brush thing and crevices, I find that if you are not very careful in its removal then you will scrap paint off as well.
jah-joshua wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, Absolutionis, but my gut feeling is that a simple thing like Angel showing how he uses liquid mask will be a revelation for a lot of the airbrush guys...
it is not something i see a lot of people using, or at least talking about using...
did you have an "ah-ha" moment about the liquid mask???
it seems like a very useful product for airbrush mini painters...
cheers
jah
True, which is why I appreciate how this seems to be a mid-range painter's book that skims the fundamentals. The liquid mask mention alone is simply a sixth of a page with a three line caption.
I really want that model, but I don't want to spend $50 on the model alone. I'm not a good painter, but I'd like to think it's better for me to paint them than for them to have nothing on them.
I really want that model, but I don't want to spend $50 on the model alone. I'm not a good painter, but I'd like to think it's better for me to paint them than for them to have nothing on them.
This is really my question about the book as well. The model is cool, but I am hoping the book has the paints used and how he achieves the look that he does.
This liquid mask thing surprises me. Modellers,especially military have been using liquid mask since the Stone Age and I find it surprising that across a lot of forums it being treated like some new found rare mineral.
Without being sarcastict have people really not heard of this stuff before or used it ? I'm just interested,perhaps it's just something that got forgotten about on the model shop shelf ?
darkness screamer wrote: This liquid mask thing surprises me. Modellers,especially military have been using liquid mask since the Stone Age and I find it surprising that across a lot of forums it being treated like some new found rare mineral.
Without being sarcastic have people really not heard of this stuff before or used it ? I'm just interested,perhaps it's just something that got forgotten about on the model shop shelf ?
This threads the the first time Ive heard of it. Sounds like witchcraft to me.
Waiting for the second printing for my book but looking forward to more paint sorcery.
I have the English version of the book in hand.
I'll rate the book out of 10, so here goes.
Price: 8/10. Hard to judge this one since I regularly fork over megabucks for FW books and GW codexes regularly. I paid about $40 from The War Store. Seems like a fair price, but the quality is generally what i expect in the $30 range. BUT- it comes with a limited mini, so that justifies it for me.
Book itself: 7/10. A nice book with colorful pictures. Easy to follow translations. Softcover, with a nice satin-y front/back. Big, glossy pages.
The content: 6/10
1. Introduction and "Method" - A nice intro from Angel Giraldez, and an explanation (with step by step photos) of his approach to painting.
2. Product list - Shows the various paints and tools that he prefers. He pretty much exclusively uses Vallejo paints, so it's kind of a letdown to not see any other products, but there's probably some contractual obligations that factor in.
3. Tips - A couple of pages showing various tips/tricks for painting (for example: using a hairdryer, liquid mask, mixing your paint, etc...). Nothing really groundbreaking here, but still some useful information if you're fairly new to painting.
4. Techniques - These cover a few pages, and show step by step instruction for NMM, Stippling, Glazing, points of Light, and Washes. Again, nothing really new, other than to show off how awesome his techniques manage to turn out.
5. Masterclass Showcase - The bulk of the book is step by step of a lot of his big projects. Many of them are the very complex models and a lot of busts. While these are good for technique, I was disappointed that there is really no step-by-step for the standard paint schemes for each faction. The busts are a nice showcase, but I found them useless since I don't forsee painting up any busts in the future (again though, good for spotlighting technique). He does break down his mixes and ratios, which is nice.
6. Gallery - The book finishes with a handful of Infinity miniatures, really just your standard show pieces, with some telling you to reference his blog for detailed step by steps. It's frustrating to see some models (re: female Authorized Bounty Hunter) that the common gamer will not be able to obtain in the near future here, but oh well.
Overall, I give the total product a solid 7/10 rating. If you've ever purchased a Forgeworld Model Masterclass book, that's basically what you're getting, albeit with a more personal flair from Giraldez (since he did all the work).
The included Joan of Arc model is pretty badass, and a nice "bonus". It's also useful personally since I have a PanO army.
If you're into Infinity and an avid painter, it's kind of a must-have.
If you're a very new painter, it may be a little bit advanced for you; I'd say it's targeting the painter who has made the leap to using an airbrush and is looking to up their game in other areas. If you're not an airbrush user, this book may not be for you; Angel relies heavily on airbrushing for a lot of the techniques he shows, and does not present an alternative for strict brush-only painters.
BL: I am pleased with my purchase, and I think I will get some moderate use out of the techniques presented.
House Griffith wrote: He pretty much exclusively uses Vallejo paints, so it's kind of a letdown to not see any other products, but there's probably some contractual obligations that factor in.
You didn't notice the vallejo logo on the cover?
That's what he paints with. My guess is being in Spain, they're just down the road. Given how driven they are to keep it all in Spain, it's not unexpected to see them exclusively use vallejo. Any time he shows his work desk he has every single vallejo paint on racks around him, plus boxes of more piled around.
I'm worried reading that that it will probably be above my skill level, but I suppose there might be some stuff in there that I can give a try with. And, at least there are the pretty pictures which are always nice!
House Griffith wrote: He pretty much exclusively uses Vallejo paints, so it's kind of a letdown to not see any other products, but there's probably some contractual obligations that factor in.
You didn't notice the vallejo logo on the cover?
That's what he paints with. My guess is being in Spain, they're just down the road. Given how driven they are to keep it all in Spain, it's not unexpected to see them exclusively use vallejo. Any time he shows his work desk he has every single vallejo paint on racks around him, plus boxes of more piled around.
Oh yes, I noticed.
I was hoping he might have other recommendations out there for products Vallejo doesn't make, but that appears not to be the case. Vallejo suits all needs and all techniques he uses.
Compare this to FW Masterclass. They exclusively use GW products when possible. But for what they don't, pictures and product listings are provided to give the reader an idea of what they use instead.
House Griffith wrote: I'd say it's targeting the painter who has made the leap to using an airbrush and is looking to up their game in other areas. If you're not an airbrush user, this book may not be for you; Angel relies heavily on airbrushing for a lot of the techniques he shows, and does not present an alternative for strict brush-only painters.
I find this very disheartening, I've been painting for roughly 20 years and i decided to never use an airbrush (somehow it feels like cheating to me). If you're creating a miniature painting book/guide, then I fully expect the brush to be your main focus, with maybe some airbrush tech added into the mix, def. not the other way around.
Anyway, I rarely get any use out of books like this other than the enjoyment of seeing high quality WIPs of different projects, so i bet I'll be happy with the purchase nonetheless.
House Griffith wrote: I'd say it's targeting the painter who has made the leap to using an airbrush and is looking to up their game in other areas. If you're not an airbrush user, this book may not be for you; Angel relies heavily on airbrushing for a lot of the techniques he shows, and does not present an alternative for strict brush-only painters.
I find this very disheartening, I've been painting for roughly 20 years and i decided to never use an airbrush (somehow it feels like cheating to me). If you're creating a miniature painting book/guide, then I fully expect the brush to be your main focus, with maybe some airbrush tech added into the mix, def. not the other way around.
Anyway, I rarely get any use out of books like this other than the enjoyment of seeing high quality WIPs of different projects, so i bet I'll be happy with the purchase nonetheless.
You might want to have a look at FIGOPEDIA then. I got both books this week, and Jeremy Bonamant Teboul's book is all that Angel Giraldez's "Masterclass" is not.
I am happy to have bought both, since I am looking to get into painting with an airbrush.
But where Angel's book is basically a collection of airbrush step-by-step guides, Figopedia is a full tutorial book on theories and techniques of painting the french way, with (obviously) beautiful examples of Jeremy's miniature painting work.
House Griffith wrote: I'd say it's targeting the painter who has made the leap to using an airbrush and is looking to up their game in other areas. If you're not an airbrush user, this book may not be for you; Angel relies heavily on airbrushing for a lot of the techniques he shows, and does not present an alternative for strict brush-only painters.
I find this very disheartening, I've been painting for roughly 20 years and i decided to never use an airbrush (somehow it feels like cheating to me). If you're creating a miniature painting book/guide, then I fully expect the brush to be your main focus, with maybe some airbrush tech added into the mix, def. not the other way around.
Anyway, I rarely get any use out of books like this other than the enjoyment of seeing high quality WIPs of different projects, so i bet I'll be happy with the purchase nonetheless.
You might want to have a look at FIGOPEDIA then. I got both books this week, and Jeremy Bonamant Teboul's book is all that Angel Giraldez's "Masterclass" is not.
I am happy to have bought both, since I am looking to get into painting with an airbrush.
But where Angel's book is basically a collection of airbrush step-by-step guides, Figopedia is a full tutorial book on theories and techniques of painting the french way, with (obviously) beautiful examples of Jeremy's miniature painting work.
Is the Figopedia book available to buy right now or only being shipped out to people who backed the kickstarter? (cant find where to place the order on that website.)
anab0lic wrote: Is the Figopedia book available to buy right now or only being shipped out to people who backed the kickstarter? (cant find where to place the order on that website.)
They said the book would be available to buy from the shop once all backers had been served.
You can contact Jeremy / David at jbonamant@yahoo.fr if you want to be sure.
anab0lic wrote: Is the Figopedia book available to buy right now or only being shipped out to people who backed the kickstarter? (cant find where to place the order on that website.)
They said the book would be available to buy from the shop once all backers had been served.
You can contact Jeremy / David at jbonamant@yahoo.fr if you want to be sure.
Ahh ok, looks like I may have to wait a little while for this one then. Sent him an email to see whats up.
anab0lic wrote: Is the Figopedia book available to buy right now or only being shipped out to people who backed the kickstarter? (cant find where to place the order on that website.)
They said the book would be available to buy from the shop once all backers had been served.
You can contact Jeremy / David at jbonamant@yahoo.fr if you want to be sure.
I really want that model, but I don't want to spend $50 on the model alone. I'm not a good painter, but I'd like to think it's better for me to paint them than for them to have nothing on them.
This is really my question about the book as well. The model is cool, but I am hoping the book has the paints used and how he achieves the look that he does.
If you want Joan of Arc, we're supposed to see a new sculpt released in the next few months.
This was just intended to be a variant released for a "partner", like the "Cosplay Bolt".
That depends. The book is all about theories and their application but there are NO technical tutorials included (how to thin paint, which brushes to use, palettes, wetblending, feathering, freehands, NMM, weathering, using washes, using inks...)
I assume those will be explained in a second book yet to come. (With hopefully a third one on sculpture)
As such it is great to understand light and color and what to look out for to achieve the desired results, but it is not how-to manual.
That depends. The book is all about theories and their application but there are NO technical tutorials included (how to thin paint, which brushes to use, palettes, wetblending, feathering, freehands, NMM, weathering, using washes, using inks...)
I assume those will be explained in a second book yet to come. (With hopefully a third one on sculpture)
As such it is great to understand light and color and what to look out for to achieve the desired results, but it is not how-to manual.
House Griffith wrote: Same here. If I didn't have a job with significant responsibilities, I'd be camping out at the front door for the UPS guy for the next few days.
Funny/infuriating story about that, I actually didn't get my book because I missed every single delivery attempt by UPS all through the week because I had to leave for work. I work nights and I have to be on the clock by 5pm, and the delivery window is 2-6. I waited around as long as possible, until about 10 minutes before 5, and was almost late for work two days in a row because of it. When I got home Friday morning after the final delivery attempt I went on their website to see what my options were, preparing to eat another shipping charge or having to drive to the nearest hub and pick it up in person, only to find that they immediately put it on a truck back to the fething store after they failed to deliver Thursday. I'm still fething mad about it.
I suppose I could have just changed the delivery date to Friday when I knew I'd be home if I had ever thought about it. I guess I was too optimistic and thought for sure they'd show up early enough at some point to get it to me. Still waiting to hear back from MM, I suppose I won't be until at least Monday so I won't have the book to look through this weekend like I was planning. For what I'm going to end up shelling out for this damn thing I could have almost bought two of them, so it better live up to the hype. lol
So I grabbed my book from my FLGS. If I used an air brush it might be a good book. Thisi s no kind of hate towards the painter. I wish I was a 1/10th of how good he is. Its just not a good how to paint book. I knew though going in that I am paying 50$ for a joan of arc model I really want so it doesent disappoint me as bad.
Well Element has definitely done some dispatching mine arrived yesterday, not had a chance to go over the book in depth but from a quick skim it is indeed less detailed than I was hoping and a little too close to a selection of the step by step's he does for free on his facebook. Still there's definitely a few things of use in there, so it's not like there's nothing to be gleaned from it, and the recipes are applicable to more than just the figures he's working on, I know I was awful at skin till I co-opted one of Angel's recipes for it.
Plus it's always nice to have another figure for my PanO since I ended up with that half of O:I, really love the new Joan.
Got my book and I'm really happy about it. If you paint for a few years, this book might help to improve your painting skills. I will try "his" technique definitely on Joan, since I have a Evo Gun here for my military modeling.
Only thing I wish he had mentioned is his thinning ratio for the model color range. I know these paints are somewhat hard to use in an airbrush when not 100% perfectly thinned :/
anab0lic wrote: Is the Figopedia book available to buy right now or only being shipped out to people who backed the kickstarter? (cant find where to place the order on that website.)
They said the book would be available to buy from the shop once all backers had been served.
You can contact Jeremy / David at jbonamant@yahoo.fr if you want to be sure.
How is it for beginners
I haven't seen his book, but his DVD is excellent.
Here is an overview of the book:
Miniature Mentor videos are also great for learning new techniques with a bunch of videos available from top painters.
I got my book last week ago. I am very happy with the content. The tutorials are great. i wish he went into technique a little more but overall its pretty freaking awesome.
My gripe is the quality of the book. the cover is very flimsy and it feels like the pages might fall out. This is not a book that can leave out on the desk without it getting mucked up.
Despite preordering the book back in February, it arrived today.
Wayland Games Ltd have now categorically stated to me via email in response to my complaint of not receiving the miniature.
"The free miniature came only came with orders placed before the end of November 2014. As your order was placed after this date the miniature was not included. "
Of course, their website is still advertising:
I believe a call to the Advertising Standards Agency may be in order soon.
Especially as considering, judging by this thread, the miniature itself was still rumoured as recently as January.
I ordered my copy of the book from Element Games on
10 Feb 2015 - 13:47
and it got here at the start of April with the Miniature pre ordered by novemeber is utterly untrue though. Its true about N3 but that's a different book.
So yeah wayland at the very least are offering worse service than their counter parts. Which is sadly nothing new.
"Apologies as there should have been a model with your order as when <other Customer support> mentioned the cut off date is was specifically about ordering the book on its own and not as the bundle, which you have ordered. We will shortly be sending you a replacement model...."
"...... Apologies for any confusion. We have amended all the angel book descriptions to avoid any future errors."
So, at least I'm sorted now (in theory) but it's still a complete mess. I also sincerely doubt that the book was any more than a rumour, nevermind a preorder, in November 2014.
Apologies Compel can you pm me your ticket ID please, as that should not have happened. We were well aware that we would be able to offer the bonus mini the moment we knew there was a second batch. I would like to investigate and make sure that support staff involved are more inclined to check more thoroughly before replying to questions.
And to alleviate any doubt, I took a picture a few minutes ago of one of our boxes containing miniatures for customers who buy the book. Apologies again for any confusion. I have excoriated the offender.
