If anything at all comes out of this as true, I'd see new Tzeentch Daemons as it. Daemons are multi-game units that can sell for both systems, so I sort of expect a ramp up in Daemon production.
If this does turn out to be true (which I doubt), plastic sisters showing up in a limited run box would be a hilarious move by GW. And by hilarious I mean total dick move.
If this does turn out to be true (which I doubt), plastic sisters showing up in a limited run box would be a hilarious move by GW. And by hilarious I mean total dick move.
Which is another reason to doubt this.
The Stormclaw/Deathstorm-boxes have been used by GW to shift mostly ancient plastic models with the incentive of a single-sprue character.
If there'd be a "Tzeentch box" in that format, it'd be old Horrors/Screamers/etc.. with maybe a unique Herald or so thrown in. Sisters, as it stands, don't really support the format. If (big, very big if) they're ever updated, it'd be more a Harlequin-style release, not a Stormclaw-style release.
ClockworkZion wrote: I don't doubt the existence of the campaign, I just don't think that we can count on rules or models for Sisters to be released in it just yet.
Still would totally play sisters if they got redone... hell I'd consider playing them right now... get rid of all my fantasy stuff and harlequins and ancient orks...
Rainbow Dash wrote: Still would totally play sisters if they got redone... hell I'd consider playing them right now... get rid of all my fantasy stuff and harlequins and ancient orks...
Couldn't have been BoLS. They had in-depth scoops on a proper Dark Vengeance sequel for "not-7th-but-just-minor-updates"(tm) because 7th never happened and only the starter box got replaced.
We have already talked a bit about the first half of the year, and now we have word of perhaps the key product of the Q3-4 – An updated Warhammer 40,000 boxed set. Here are the details:
Launch Window – @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)
Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- ‘Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification
This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically “NOT 7th Edition.”
You will note that September falls right smack in the middle of the rumored release slots for Orks (a couple of months before), and Blood Angels (a couple of months after).
On first glance the “not 7th Edition” makes no sense until you go back and read this. This could certainly be the start of GW rolling the “organic living ruleset” for 40K that does away with edition numbers and the sales dips they cause. Instead we would get updated core products such as rulebooks and starter sets from time to time to “bring them up to speed” with all the most current rules additions that have been rolled out in the intervening years.
Rainbow Dash wrote: Still would totally play sisters if they got redone... hell I'd consider playing them right now... get rid of all my fantasy stuff and harlequins and ancient orks...
Couldn't have been BoLS. They had in-depth scoops on a proper Dark Vengeance sequel for "not-7th-but-just-minor-updates"(tm) because 7th never happened and only the starter box got replaced.
We have already talked a bit about the first half of the year, and now we have word of perhaps the key product of the Q3-4 – An updated Warhammer 40,000 boxed set. Here are the details:
Launch Window – @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)
Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- ‘Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification
This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically “NOT 7th Edition.”
You will note that September falls right smack in the middle of the rumored release slots for Orks (a couple of months before), and Blood Angels (a couple of months after).
On first glance the “not 7th Edition” makes no sense until you go back and read this. This could certainly be the start of GW rolling the “organic living ruleset” for 40K that does away with edition numbers and the sales dips they cause. Instead we would get updated core products such as rulebooks and starter sets from time to time to “bring them up to speed” with all the most current rules additions that have been rolled out in the intervening years.
This rumor comes from high-confidence sources.
Doesn't really matter if its true or not, I'd really like to play Sisters again, I had to sell them a number of years ago during some hard financial times and I really wish I still had them.
Lockark wrote: This is a recycled rumor. I'm positive someone once posted about a sisters vs csm starter set back when talking about the 6th or 7th ed starter sets.
This is just a zombie rumor
Last one wasn't about a campaign, didn't feature loyalist Marines and this one doesn't promise Sisters models. Other than Sisters and CSM being in the same paragraph they aren't that alike.
Doesn't really matter if its true or not, I'd really like to play Sisters again, I had to sell them a number of years ago during some hard financial times and I really wish I still had them.
Yes?
In a discussion about rumours, probability of their veracity seems a fitting subject, especially in the "News & Rumors" part of Dakka? No?
I emphasise with wanting to play Sisters, rumours be damned, but that's probably a topic for 40K general? No?
Doesn't really matter if its true or not, I'd really like to play Sisters again, I had to sell them a number of years ago during some hard financial times and I really wish I still had them.
Yes?
In a discussion about rumours, probability of their veracity seems a fitting subject, especially in the "News & Rumors" part of Dakka? No?
I emphasise with wanting to play Sisters, rumours be damned, but that's probably a topic for 40K general? No?
Lockark wrote: This is a recycled rumor. I'm positive someone once posted about a sisters vs csm starter set back when talking about the 6th or 7th ed starter sets.
I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
No Sisters in 2015 either, sorry.
And no summer campaign.
As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.
....yeah, there's not a porno plot in there or anything.
Tzeentch is the Chaos God of magic/trickery, etc. Their monsters look like stingrays, blobs, and birds.
You're thinking of a 12-year-old's understanding of Slaanesh combined with a 12-year-old's fantasy of the only reasonable predominantly female faction in 40k. Get well soon.
....yeah, there's not a porno plot in there or anything.
Tzeentch is the Chaos God of magic/trickery, etc. Their monsters look like stingrays, blobs, and birds.
You're thinking of a 12-year-old's understanding of Slaanesh combined with a 12-year-old's fantasy of the only reasonable predominantly female faction in 40k. Get well soon.
Sad Panda wrote: I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
While Fantasy has been taking the lead as far as Daemons go, GW has been mixing things up. What is to stop them from doing a new Lord of Change like the Bloodthirster, with builds for Fateweaver and another, as part of a 40K focused release? They could then put fantasy rules for it in a supplement or WD or Campaign book for fantasy.
Not arguing the veracity of this particular rumor, just wondering why you are so convinced that we will not see one or more of the other greater Daemons updated to plastic his year, when GW has been throwing out curve-balls release wise.
Sad Panda wrote: I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
No Sisters in 2015 either, sorry.
And no summer campaign.
As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.
Funny because from what I've heard from a source I know I can trust, 2015 isn't off limits to Sisters, just that the BoLS rumor of May is too soon.
Also confirmation of new models with a "Blanche feel".
Azreal13 wrote: I, and several others I've seen, have asked Panda for a source, he/she is yet to respond that I've seen.
They've been quite accurate in all they've said so far though, albeit on much shorter time frames than this.
No rumor monger is going to give you their source. That being said, Sad Panda does have a pretty good record. (6 true)
No, I get that, I meant more an indication of the provenance. It doesn't need to be "Dave from accounts" but "a relative" or "someone who works for a GW supplier" or even "me" is vague enough.
Someone with a low post count posting information framed in the definitive, apparently from the other side of the planet from Lenton who dodges any request for clarification on where their info is coming from is, let's face it, statistically more likely a troll than legitimate.
So far, Panda's info has been good, which obviously helps, but I'm going to view anyone with the mentioned factors in place with healthy skepticism.
Yep, I'd agree, but predicting the next few weeks releases, even with some accuracy, is a whole other ball game from stuff months away.
Heck, given the new flexibility the weekly release schedule gives them, I wouldn't be surprised if stuff 6 months away is still only provisional, even at GWHQ.
pretre wrote: True, although right now I trust him more than Natfka and BOLS.
I still trust my source for what I've heard (which had little to do with the campaign but more the possibility of a release) but I'm willing to wait and see what comes out of this. I don't assume any rumor correct right out of the gate (not even from a person I trust on it) because of how GW has snuck things up on us in the past or shuffled things around a bit or info was blown out of proportion of the what was happening to assume anything to be 100% true this far out.
pretre wrote: True, although right now I trust him more than Natfka and BOLS.
I still trust my source for what I've heard (which had little to do with the campaign but more the possibility of a release) but I'm willing to wait and see what comes out of this. I don't assume any rumor correct right out of the gate (not even from a person I trust on it) because of how GW has snuck things up on us in the past or shuffled things around a bit or info was blown out of proportion of the what was happening to assume anything to be 100% true this far out.
I like you, but I don't trust your rumors even as much as I trust BOLS/NATFKA. 1 out of 7 isn't a great record.
New plastic Tzeentch demons isn't a stretch. New sister models would be a stretch, but as pointed out by several others here, the rumour did NOT say there would be new sisters models. In addition, sisters and space marines being in a campaign isn't a stretch either (the last campaign had sisters too, so them being in a campaign is definately not unusual or unheard of at all)
When it comes to models, sisters are definately neglected, but they've still always had a fluff (and, as established, campaign) presense.
About the only thing really giving me pause is that it involves Tzeentch instead of Khorne and Nurgle. But still not unbelievable.
pretre wrote: True, although right now I trust him more than Natfka and BOLS.
I still trust my source for what I've heard (which had little to do with the campaign but more the possibility of a release) but I'm willing to wait and see what comes out of this. I don't assume any rumor correct right out of the gate (not even from a person I trust on it) because of how GW has snuck things up on us in the past or shuffled things around a bit or info was blown out of proportion of the what was happening to assume anything to be 100% true this far out.
I like you, but I don't trust your rumors even as much as I trust BOLS/NATFKA. 1 out of 7 isn't a great record.
I did PM you regarding this source and why I actually trust them. But whatevs.
Sad Panda wrote: I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
No Sisters in 2015 either, sorry.
And no summer campaign.
As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.
Don't agree. It has it's benefits that the demon line serves double duty in 40k and WHFB, but I certainly see no reason why the demon updates have to be tied to fantasy. Besides, I'm pretty sure, whatever survives the rumored Post-End-Times change, demons will be a part of it (probably the dominant part of the "evil" faction) - again, because they can be used for WHFB and 40k both.
There was some talk about some sort of god-dedicated split of chaos units for 40k, uniting cult troops and demons in one book. Whatever became of that? And if it comes, part of the models may come with campaign supplements, and part with those books. Who knows what GW thinks in their twisted little minds...
Kosake wrote: There was some talk about some sort of god-dedicated split of chaos units for 40k, uniting cult troops and demons in one book. Whatever became of that? And if it comes, part of the models may come with campaign supplements, and part with those books. Who knows what GW thinks in their twisted little minds...
There's been wishlisting for that since around 4th edition.
ClockworkZion wrote: I did PM you regarding this source and why I actually trust them. But whatevs.
I got it, but I still don't think your history bodes well for it.
You're judging me for information based on other sources regardless of the quality of this source. This source has no "track record", therefore you're holding an illogical position.
Seriously, this is the kind of silly bs that makes people stop bringing information forward.
Would be a shift in GWs approach to the campaign boxes. But the two we've had may have only been testing the water using mostly existing minis.
A box that includes two factions with almost entirely new minis, could sell like crazy, and would get SoB fans to pick up Tzeentch minis and vice versa.
I've really liked the campaign books/boxes so Im hoping this is at least partly true.
ClockworkZion wrote: I did PM you regarding this source and why I actually trust them. But whatevs.
I got it, but I still don't think your history bodes well for it.
You're judging me for information based on other sources regardless of the quality of this source. This source has no "track record", therefore you're holding an illogical position.
Seriously, this is the kind of silly bs that makes people stop bringing information forward.
Judging you for supplying information from other sources is exactly the same as is done to the likes of Natfka. He gets cross at Pretre for hitting him with so many Falses, but if he is going to make those sources "anonymous" then he shifts the onus on to him to act as gatekeeper for the information supplied to him under this restriction, and then it becomes about his ability to discern legitimate info from blatant trolling, something he's earned a solid reputation for being unable to do (or is willing to sacrifice the integrity of his reporting in exchange for clicks - potayto, potahto.)
You, by reporting what you hear from other sources, are placing yourself in the same position. It is now not about the veracity of the rumours, but your ability to filter what is good info from what is not. You've apparently attached your cart to the wrong horse on more than one occasion previously, so those of us with no idea who your source about Sisters is, have nothing to go on but your track record for picking a sound source.
Now, if the position was reversed, and I had told you stuff on multiple occasions that hadn't panned out, but was insisting "no, but this time it's different" what would you be inclined to think?
If this source really is different, and you sincerely believe in it, then stand behind it, time will, after all, prove you right. But if you don't want to be on the receiving end of skepticism, and your faith in your source isn't total, perhaps, yes, it's best to keep things under your hat, at least perhaps until there's something around that corroborates it.
Judging you for supplying information from other sources is exactly the same as is done to the likes of Natfka. He gets cross at Pretre for hitting him with so many Falses, but if he is going to make those sources "anonymous" then he shifts the onus on to him to act as gatekeeper for the information supplied to him under this restriction, and then it becomes about his ability to discern legitimate info from blatant trolling, something he's earned a solid reputation for being unable to do (or is willing to sacrifice the integrity of his reporting in exchange for clicks - potayto, potahto.)
Except, you know, I actually differentiated the fact that this was a different source meaning that you can't apply the same metrics to it that you would the previous one.
Azreal13 wrote: You, by reporting what you hear from other sources, are placing yourself in the same position. It is now not about the veracity of the rumours, but your ability to filter what is good info from what is not. You've apparently attached your cart to the wrong horse on more than one occasion previously, so those of us with no idea who your source about Sisters is, have nothing to go on but your track record for picking a sound source.
And again, this isn't the same source and I didn't report "a bunch of times" but instead had one group of rumors that didn't pan out. Seriously, don't make accusations without all the facts.
Azreal13 wrote: Now, if the position was reversed, and I had told you stuff on multiple occasions that hadn't panned out, but was insisting "no, but this time it's different" what would you be inclined to think?
One occasion, not multiple. Again, don't go crying foul when you apparently don't even know what happened.
Azreal13 wrote: If this source really is different, and you sincerely believe in it, then stand behind it, time will, after all, prove you right. But if you don't want to be on the receiving end of skepticism, and your faith in your source isn't total, perhaps, yes, it's best to keep things under your hat, at least perhaps until there's something around that corroborates it.
Pretre should be know why I actually have faith in this source as I PM'd about it and filled in the details. I'm not dumping that on a public forum but the person I PM'd should be able to tell one source from another, especially when they're aware of where this source's credentials lie.
It is now not about the veracity of the rumours, but your ability to filter what is good info from what is not.
Judging the veracity and what is a good and bad info to rumors is entirely subject to one's own personal opinion regardless of the source they come from. Because last time I put too much faith in SoB plastic model rumors we ended up with the WD codex.
However if we ever get the SoB plastic models and various parts of the models match the rumored descriptions of the plastics we have gotten over the years it will be quite hilarious because who ever dose the rumor tracking will have to back track and mark all of those false rumors as true. At the most I will have faith in that a new SoB codex might have the potential to be out this year and I will not put any faith in the plastic model rumors till I have them in hand.
ClockworkZion wrote: Except, you know, I actually differentiated the fact that this was a different source meaning that you can't apply the same metrics to it that you would the previous one.
The point is that the metric is being applied to "YOUR" rumormongering.
ClockworkZion wrote: Pretre should be know why I actually have faith in this source as I PM'd about it and filled in the details. I'm not dumping that on a public forum but the person I PM'd should be able to tell one source from another, especially when they're aware of where this source's credentials lie.
Again, we only have your track record to go off of. If I posted 100 rumors and they were all false, would you suddenly believe me when I told you my 101st rumor was from a reliable source, this time? No really, this time I got it from a guy who really knows!
Personally, I'm done with believing anything about the SoB until I see it. At this point it's kind of like seeing Bretonnians in ET books and assuming that this must lead to new rules and models. Actually, it's worse than that....
In all fairness the odds of Squats coming back aren't technically 0. They're equal to the odds of me winning several hundred million in the lottery then deciding that i have nothing better to do with the money than buy GW.
I don't doubt there will be another campaign, so 2 books plus one boxed set, in the summer - timing seems about right post Blood Angels vs 'Nids.
I also don't doubt that Daemons would be the protagonist in the campaign, with the plastic Blood Thirster soon and Daemons due a 7th Edition Codex Summer would also make sense.
However the boxes which form part 2 of the campaign so far have been a way of selling off at a discount existing plastic models with 2 new characters.
I don't think we will ever see brand new or recently released plastics appearing in the campaign box so I doubt Sisters will be the main protagonists in the campaign.
Doesn't mean they won't be in the campaign, after all they appeared in Shield of Baal but we didn't get new models.
I would hazard a guess that Daemons will be the big release so will make up the bulk of the campaign's releases and that possibly Grey Knights will be the other plastics in the box - so generic GKs, GK Dread, special character vs generic Daemons with special character.
I suspect this will coincide with 7th Edition Daemons Codex which means yes probably other plastic Greater Daemons alongside too.
However I doubt a full Sisters release for this, they certainly wouldn't be the plastics in the boxed set.
plastictrees wrote: Would be a shift in GWs approach to the campaign boxes. But the two we've had may have only been testing the water using mostly existing minis.
A box that includes two factions with almost entirely new minis, could sell like crazy, and would get SoB fans to pick up Tzeentch minis and vice versa.
I've really liked the campaign books/boxes so Im hoping this is at least partly true.
Second that. Actually, making campaign boxes with new units with no separate kit (or only older kits available as standalones) would force people who want that stuff to buy the expensvie big box instead of just a smaller kit. That is one type of malpractice I would definitely assume GW capable of. Combine old. ill-selling kits with a couple of new models and voila, instant sales...
SoB vs Tzeentch would actually not be too bad of a set, considering both armies have invulnerable saves. It's pretty hard to showcase two armies when you have one side making roll after roll, and another side just picking up models. (see: SM w/ Terminators + Dreads vs Orks in t-shirts)
This would mean all your models would at least be rolling something in defense, and hopefully seem a less lopsided intro for new gamers. (Assuming, of course, that GW stores even still do demo games with these sets; I haven't been to a GW store in years.)
nightfury wrote:
I can gurantee plastic kits for adeptus sororitas will be released within the next 18 months.. the molds are finished and production is already underway
Those are pretty strong words from a (fairly) accurate source. "Guarantee" is the sort of thing that a rumor-monger needs to use sparingly, as those proven false do just that much more harm to a reputation.
I think that's (IF true) much more suggestive that Sisters will not feature as minis in any forthcoming box set,
rather they will have a (significant) part in the story just offscreen of the box set's actual contents thus maintaining or boosting their image in advance of a new plastic set up further down the line
(and the better the harlequins do the sooner the plastic sisters will appear as GW sees people buying into these 'old and strange' mini lines)
Lord of Misrule wrote: Surely by this point Natfka's record is such that any given outcome actually becomes less probable when his site reports it as rumour?
Besides, my money's still on the next starter boxed set pitting Zuvassin-worshipping Squats on jet-boards vs. Space Lizardmen.
Given the "exodus" of the Lizardmen in Thanquol, I'm not ruling that out, at this point.
Lord of Misrule wrote: Surely by this point Natfka's record is such that any given outcome actually becomes less probable when his site reports it as rumour?
Not quite. His is about even up. Any given outcome is 50/50 when he says it. Just flip a coin.
Lord of Misrule wrote: Surely by this point Natfka's record is such that any given outcome actually becomes less probable when his site reports it as rumour?
Not quite. His is about even up. Any given outcome is 50/50 when he says it. Just flip a coin.
Ah, true enough, actually.
But if I turn out to be on the money with my pretend Lizardmen rumour, then I will be, on paper, as accurate as he is.
Experiment 626 wrote: As much as I desperately want this to be true... it's about Tzeentch. Overall, Tzeentch always gets the epic shaft from GW at every turn.
I don't know... An army made up of models with 2 wounds has a lot going for it...
This was a day or so ago, but nightfury in his comments on the site (he has had some particular good insight in the past) has mentioned the the moulds for the Adeptas Sororitas are done and production has started. This is a big deal, although it doesn't give us a release time frame. Done models can sit for quite some time in a warehouse, but it does give us a little more hope that we will see the Sister's of Battle sometime soon.
With the recent rumors from Bols that a summer campaign will include Sisters of Battle and Tzeentch, and nightfury's comments a release is looking very good for this summer.
please remember that these are rumors at this point.
via Nightfury on Faeit 212 I can guarantee plastic kits for adeptus sororitas will be released within the next 18 months.. the molds are finished and production is already underway
There is some Tzeentch stuff coming later this year, but it's not for 40k.
Dark Angels will be getting updated later in the year with a new plastic kit, alongside a clampack character. Daemons are also getting updated with a slightly bigger release. (Harlequin sized IIRC)
So I noticed this art was posted in the Harlequin thread. The Sorcerer is the same design as is Ahriman. All the T-Sons seem to have power swords though so maybe it's a hint at what's to come?
Perhaps the Campaign will be based around an attempt by Ahriman to get to the Black Library that features SM, Sisters and Harlequins. Perhaps it even starts the end times equivalent of 40k...
Medium of Death wrote: Perhaps the Campaign will be based around an attempt by Ahriman to get to the Black Library that features SM, Sisters and Harlequins. Perhaps it even starts the end times equivalent of 40k...
Sure... it'll probably be released right after the Blood Angels vs. Orks quick-fit starter-box with Ork-themed terrain that was the last boxed set rumoured by BoLS. Is that still a thing, actually? Or did they admit to fething that one up?
Seriously.... the themes and all sound fun and all..... but it's a rumour from BoLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I herd a rumor that SoB fans are all part of a cruel and cynical social experiment
where they are fed with new promises every month, just to see how long it takes for them to turn from initial
scepsism to irrational and desperate acceptance that the promises, surely, will come true this time.
Fayric wrote: Well, I herd a rumor that SoB fans are all part of a cruel and cynical social experiment
where they are fed with new promises every month, just to see how long it takes for them to turn from initial
scepsism to irrational and desperate acceptance that the promises, surely, will come true this time.
Perhaps. But who's behind the experiment? It sure as hell isn't GW.
Fayric wrote: Well, I herd a rumor that SoB fans are all part of a cruel and cynical social experiment
where they are fed with new promises every month, just to see how long it takes for them to turn from initial
scepsism to irrational and desperate acceptance that the promises, surely, will come true this time.
Perhaps. But who's behind the experiment? It sure as hell isn't GW.
Sisters players themselves. It's the only explanation.
SoB players will get their time in the sun eventually. Just like the DE did. How many times did people write them off; and yet they returned with one of the best models from GW?!
Also, I'd love this campain to be a thing, mainly because of the thousand sons; I fear though that it will take the course of most BLOS rumors.
Darkseid wrote: SoB players will get their time in the sun eventually. Just like the DE did. How many times did people write them off; and yet they returned with one of the best models from GW?!.
That's the point. Of course they'll arrive eventually.
But just like Dark Eldar during their long stretch, you're not doing yourself a favour by getting your hopes up everytime BoLS/Natfka publish another click-bait-fairy-tale.
They fooled you once, they fooled you twice, they fooled you a million times. And you still believe? They'll just keep milking you for clicks until ... eventually, inevitably ... they will be right at some point (by pure happenstance) after being wrong a thousand times.
No even half-way credible rumour-guy has thus far even hinted at Sisters. Nobody with a half-reasonable track record came out to support that Tzeentch-box-thing. It's an utterly isolated rumour on BoLS (and Natfka) and only there.
Hell, BoLS actually has a record of disputing rumours that turned out to be true, as when 40K Radio said there would be a 7th Edition without a new snap-fit starter box, BoLS directly retaliated saying there would only be no 7th Edition but a new snap-fit starter-box and some weird "living-rules"-thingy.
I would like to point out that for whatever reason this past week along with alllll the recently flying sisters rumors, Forgeworld has removed their version of the SoB Exorcist from their site which is.. curious, to say the least, considering how long it's been up for sale. Even the years out of stock Repressor is still up but suddenly the exorcist is gone? That has to strike more than just me as a little bit odd.
Chapter Master Angelos wrote: I would like to point out that for whatever reason this past week along with alllll the recently flying sisters rumors, Forgeworld has removed their version of the SoB Exorcist from their site which is.. curious, to say the least, considering how long it's been up for sale. Even the years out of stock Repressor is still up but suddenly the exorcist is gone? That has to strike more than just me as a little bit odd.
Not really. Most of the time when FW take something down it's because the moulds have worn out, and it'll either be back later once they make new moulds from the masters or go into limbo if the work of making new moulds is too high relative to the sales the kit got.
Darkseid wrote: SoB players will get their time in the sun eventually. Just like the DE did. How many times did people write them off; and yet they returned with one of the best models from GW?!
There are far less similarities between the Dark Eldar and the Sisters as people often think/suggest.
Dark Eldar were an army that didn't even exist in the lore until 3rd Edition. They were created solely because people kept asking for Chaos Eldar. And kept showing up at the GTs and placing well in Golden Daemons with Chaos Eldar conversion armies. They had a built in demand. They sold really well when 3rd Edition debuted. Their failure as an army was having lackluster models and lackluster rules. All GW had to do was redesign them and give them a good book, and they knew people would want them.
Sisters, on the other hand, were released around the same time as the Necrons, had a similar number of models in the range. But Necrons became a real army, and the Sisters did not. GW packaged them with another army to try to stimulate sales, gave them an expanded model range with vehicles and special characters. And they still didn't become a real army because they haven't had a mass-market print codex since 3rd, and you didn't even need any Sisters of Battle to play with that codex, lol.
I'd guess the Sisters' sluggish and lackluster support stems from the fact that GW didn't believe there was enough demand to suit the investment. Dark Eldar, on the other hand, were a property with a known market segment and a known demand. They weren't successful because they got new models and rules. They were successful because they got new models and rules and people already wanted them.
That said, on topic, there's no way a 40K boxed "starter" set appears that doesn't have Space Marines in it. Has never happened, and never will. That's how you know this rumor is bogus, lol.
2nd: Marines vs Orks
3rd: Marines vs Deldar
BfM: Marines vs Nids
AoBR: Marines vs Orks
DV: Marines vs Chaos
SRSC: Marines vs Orks
SoB: Marines vs Nids
Space Marines are too important to the business model at this point. If they can sell some more Orks/Chaos/Tyranids/whatever, cool. But they know they can sell Space Marines. Notice how the Space Marines are always better than their counterpart in the boxed set? Its not like that's an accident, lol.
Necrons went plastic in 3rd, Sisters did not. I'm going to say that was a major factor.
Additionally, the rumor doesn't say Sisters are in the box, they say they're in the campaign (they were in Shield of Baal but weren't in the box). It's be a pretty good time to splash release new kits for Sisters (along with some new rules) if they wanted to break a Sisters release into smaller chunks.
Considering that we just had a plastic Harlequin release containing multiple new kits, I am almost willing to believe this. It would fit GWs current MO to release SoB as similar minor faction as Tempestus and Harlequins.
Crimson wrote: Considering that we just had a plastic Harlequin release containing multiple new kits, I am almost willing to believe this. It would fit GWs current MO to release SoB as similar minor faction as Tempestus and Harlequins.
Except we've had rumour-people more credible than BoLS saying they'll do just that in the early summer with AdMech.
Two minor imperial factions in the same quarter? Doubtful. Impossible, if Sisters are supposed to be part of a longer campaign not involving AdMech.
At the very least, I think there's a rumour-conflict between either Sisters or AdMech.
The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Well, for starters, we don't have any specifics on the models. Demons across the board look pretty dated and quite ugly (not in the good sense). So even if the Tzeench part is just some redone existing units, that might be an option.
Then there are some units that are unique to starters - the deffcopters from AOBR for instance. I know there's that Gorkamorka-survivor single model, but I think it's safe to say that it's not really a viable option if you want to field more than 1 deffcopter. CSM chosen from DV. Hell, campaign boxes contained unique miniatures - that SW character, Grukk, Genestealer-Broodlord...
And speaking of limitted releases - remember that SM captain that came with orders of 100 GBP and above? That's as limitted as you can get I'd say.
And finally, as of yet, no-one said there'd be SoB models in the campaign kit so far. Talk was along the lines of SM vs Tzeench, iirc. There's surely some SM kits that GW would like to get rid of and with Nurgle and Khorne receiving some love in fantasy at the moment, that might mean that Tzeench and Slaanesh might get their new shinies in 40k, one coming with the new dex and the other with a campaign release. There would be some sense in that, when done right I guess.
Again, we're speaking about GW so any logical course of action is highly questionable.
Might as well also claim this is coming out on April 1st.. It's a total April Fools joke to think that GW would give any attention to Tzeentch OR Sisters. Both of them? Come on lol.
More likely it'll be a Khorne/Nurgle supplement with Ultramarines as the protagonists
The greatest Tzeentch gift recently has been that artwork from the Harlequin book.
Of course you can dream.
But it would seem prudent to keep dreams/speculations/wishes/tongue-in-cheek-GW-business-discussion separate from information/news/rumours leaked from the studio.
The whole dilemma of the "click-bait-rumour-mongers" is that they care little for the accuracy of rumours and probably make more ad-revenues by catering to player-dreams with made-up gak.
Is that Harlequin in the picture vaulting over a Flamer of Tzeentch?
That seems like a surefire way to get your hand mutated into something unmentionable.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
If there's one thing GW is good at, it's getting into a "pattern" and then utterly and completely violating it by going to a new "pattern" without any notice.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Plus the campaign boxes are all plastic. And tend to be distinctly faction specific. Storm Claw had Space Wolf kits rather than their SM counterparts. Where possible Deathstorm used BA kits rather than their SM counterparts.
There are currently no plastic SoBs which completely invalidates them as an option for this...and if they were going to go Tzeentch specific there would be Rubrics. Which are currently a finecast-plastic hybrid kit. Can't see that going in a box either.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Plus the campaign boxes are all plastic. And tend to be distinctly faction specific. Storm Claw had Space Wolf kits rather than their SM counterparts. Where possible Deathstorm used BA kits rather than their SM counterparts.
There are currently no plastic SoBs which completely invalidates them as an option for this...and if they were going to go Tzeentch specific there would be Rubrics. Which are currently a finecast-plastic hybrid kit. Can't see that going in a box either.
Arguably they could do Tzeentch, but use generic CSM and Cultists as the core. Yes, Thousand Sons are the more iconic army for Tzeentch but it's not like there aren't other warbands. I mean GW did do Crimson Slaughter over Word Bearers.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Well, for starters, we don't have any specifics on the models. Demons across the board look pretty dated and quite ugly (not in the good sense). So even if the Tzeench part is just some redone existing units, that might be an option.
Then there are some units that are unique to starters - the deffcopters from AOBR for instance. I know there's that Gorkamorka-survivor single model, but I think it's safe to say that it's not really a viable option if you want to field more than 1 deffcopter. CSM chosen from DV. Hell, campaign boxes contained unique miniatures - that SW character, Grukk, Genestealer-Broodlord...
And speaking of limitted releases - remember that SM captain that came with orders of 100 GBP and above? That's as limitted as you can get I'd say.
And finally, as of yet, no-one said there'd be SoB models in the campaign kit so far. Talk was along the lines of SM vs Tzeench, iirc. There's surely some SM kits that GW would like to get rid of and with Nurgle and Khorne receiving some love in fantasy at the moment, that might mean that Tzeench and Slaanesh might get their new shinies in 40k, one coming with the new dex and the other with a campaign release. There would be some sense in that, when done right I guess.
Again, we're speaking about GW so any logical course of action is highly questionable.
The original rumor was specific: its a campaign, including new units and a monster (Plastic Lord of Change, New Tzeentch Daemon unit, New Tzeentch CSM unit).
That kind of release would not be a limited run, and dont fit with the other campaign boxes.
I know all models in a starter are usually uniqe, and that they have been doing sigle charachter limited releases for SM.
But to fit the campaign rumor, it had to be the start of a really large "end times" style campaign.
Actually, the rumored new models fit exactly with end times pattern: only new models for the agressor, obcenely large monster, some brand new large infantry.
Fayric wrote: The thing that really makes this rumor sound wrong is:
-GW dont use campaign boxes to introduce a new model range.
-GW wouldnt make all those new models for a limited release.
-Rumors of the previous campaignboxes did not leak until just before release.
-Campaign boxes are used to push dead weight old models in a pre/post codex bliss, neither sob of tzeench has that kind of range to put in a camp box.
However, I base this on no more than 2 previous releases, so its hardly a pattern.
Who knows what GW is up to. I could be wrong.
Well, for starters, we don't have any specifics on the models. Demons across the board look pretty dated and quite ugly (not in the good sense). So even if the Tzeench part is just some redone existing units, that might be an option.
Then there are some units that are unique to starters - the deffcopters from AOBR for instance. I know there's that Gorkamorka-survivor single model, but I think it's safe to say that it's not really a viable option if you want to field more than 1 deffcopter. CSM chosen from DV. Hell, campaign boxes contained unique miniatures - that SW character, Grukk, Genestealer-Broodlord...
And speaking of limitted releases - remember that SM captain that came with orders of 100 GBP and above? That's as limitted as you can get I'd say.
And finally, as of yet, no-one said there'd be SoB models in the campaign kit so far. Talk was along the lines of SM vs Tzeench, iirc. There's surely some SM kits that GW would like to get rid of and with Nurgle and Khorne receiving some love in fantasy at the moment, that might mean that Tzeench and Slaanesh might get their new shinies in 40k, one coming with the new dex and the other with a campaign release. There would be some sense in that, when done right I guess.
Again, we're speaking about GW so any logical course of action is highly questionable.
The original rumor was specific: its a campaign, including new units and a monster (Plastic Lord of Change, New Tzeentch Daemon unit, New Tzeentch CSM unit).
That kind of release would not be a limited run, and dont fit with the other campaign boxe.
I know all models in a starter is usually uniqe, and that they have been doing sigle charachter limited releases for SM.
But to fit the campaign rumor, it had to be the start of a really large "end times" style campaign.
Actually, the rumored new models fit exactly with end times pattern: only new models for the agressor, obcenely large monster, some brand new large infantry, and perhaps.
It does fit one kind of campaign box: starter boxes.
That would mean that we'd be seeing a replacement for Dark Vengence, which isn't impossible but I'm not assuming it to be the case here.
I'm really sick of seeing all of these 'BUT THE CAMPAIGN BOXES ARE -insert excuse here-' posts.
I have a very strong feeling that by 'Campaign' they mean the type of campaign that the Orks and Space Wolves were a part of.
That sort of Campaign is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Sisters of Battle could be released in. In fact, I'll bet that if this rumor is true, here's how it's going to go down:
Step 1. GW releases Tzeentch Models alongside Book 1 of Campaign. Book 1 details Tzeentch vs. Space Marines.
Step 2. GW releases second book that introduces Sisters of Battle as combatants.
Step 3. GW releases new Sisters of Battle range and completes campaign.
This process covers SEVERAL months, just like the Orks vs. Space Wolves release did, with Orks getting a new Codex and models at the beginning of the campaign, and Space Wolves getting a new Codex and models at the end of it.
It A) Explains why we have details of the Tzeentch models and B) explains why we don't have solid Sisters rumors because that part of the campaign is further out by several months.
Voila. Can we stop nitpicking about the 'campaign boxes' and all that? Let's call those 'Starter Sets' so we don't get confused, alright?
SeanDrake wrote: The hopes and dreams of SoB players destined to be crushed every time they talk themselves into thinking there going to get a release.
It's amusing to watch at first but after a couple of years it starts to get sad.
Too true, and i have played Sisters from day one! Though it may be helpful to note that a lot of Sisters players have called foul on these rumors. Doesn't seem likely to me, not that I really care. I still have the 50 plus Sisters I bought the day they were released and about five times that I've collected since.
I for one am pretty happy with the codex (repentia/penengines/celestians aside) and obviously the models. I would rather not suffer through a new Codex nerf/buff if it just makes things worse. New models without an interesting new unit does nothing for me. In other words, I could care less if Sisters get plastics so long as the codex/army remains the same.
A new look for the army just for IP protection would just tick me off. If GW doesn't want to advance the storyline, then I don't have to tag along with any retcons just to have a lighter army case. Also, I am completely fine with the grimdark boobplate, not because its practical or safe or smart, it isn't.
It is an obvious attempt to blatantly show compliance with the decree passive. Which is the entire point of the army in the first place.
drbored wrote: I'm really sick of seeing all of these 'BUT THE CAMPAIGN BOXES ARE -insert excuse here-' posts.
I have a very strong feeling that by 'Campaign' they mean the type of campaign that the Orks and Space Wolves were a part of.
That sort of Campaign is EXACTLY the kind of thing that Sisters of Battle could be released in. In fact, I'll bet that if this rumor is true, here's how it's going to go down:
Step 1. GW releases Tzeentch Models alongside Book 1 of Campaign. Book 1 details Tzeentch vs. Space Marines.
Step 2. GW releases second book that introduces Sisters of Battle as combatants.
Step 3. GW releases new Sisters of Battle range and completes campaign.
This process covers SEVERAL months, just like the Orks vs. Space Wolves release did, with Orks getting a new Codex and models at the beginning of the campaign, and Space Wolves getting a new Codex and models at the end of it.
It A) Explains why we have details of the Tzeentch models and B) explains why we don't have solid Sisters rumors because that part of the campaign is further out by several months.
Voila. Can we stop nitpicking about the 'campaign boxes' and all that? Let's call those 'Starter Sets' so we don't get confused, alright?
Orks and Space Wolves still had a campaign set, but there is nothing that says that has to come at the start of a campaign, and the campaign could still be CSM vs SM with the Sisters on the side (like they where in Shield of Baal) but ending with an actual plastic release for Sisters.
SeanDrake wrote: The hopes and dreams of SoB players destined to be crushed every time they talk themselves into thinking there going to get a release.
It's amusing to watch at first but after a couple of years it starts to get sad.
Too true, and i have played Sisters from day one! Though it may be helpful to note that a lot of Sisters players have called foul on these rumors. Doesn't seem likely to me, not that I really care. I still have the 50 plus Sisters I bought the day they were released and about five times that I've collected since.
I do get REALLY tired of that mentality too. Just because some rumors have been bad in the past (and when you go back and look there haven't been that many instances of "plastic sisters" rumors as the hyperbole states, and each time they've been around the time of a release which has been on point thus far for when it comes out) doesn't mean all rumors are automatically false or that we should reject every possibility without at least considering what is being said. This isn't 40k and as such a closed mind is not a virtue.
dracpanzer wrote: I for one am pretty happy with the codex (repentia/penengines/celestians aside) and obviously the models. I would rather not suffer through a new Codex nerf/buff if it just makes things worse. New models without an interesting new unit does nothing for me. In other words, I could care less if Sisters get plastics so long as the codex/army remains the same.
A new look for the army just for IP protection would just tick me off. If GW doesn't want to advance the storyline, then I don't have to tag along with any retcons just to have a lighter army case. Also, I am completely fine with the grimdark boobplate, not because its practical or safe or smart, it isn't.
It is an obvious attempt to blatantly show compliance with the decree passive. Which is the entire point of the army in the first place.
I'd like for some things to get fixed on the codex honestly, but if the book doesn't change too much I'm not going to be upset. What we need most is new models. I don't doubt we could end up with tighter rules anyways (I mean 7th has been the edition of the most balanced codexes to date) but I'm not going to rely on that being a thing that'll change too much beyond the usual trappings of formations and a different detachment of some kind.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just found this through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:
Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.
I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.
Here's some bits of info:
- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.
- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.
- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.
Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:
Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.
Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.
Adeptus Mechanicus.
30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.
Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.
Then WFB 9th rules.
Horus Heresy releases
Mark 9 Power armoured marines.
WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.
Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).
This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.
So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.
The rhino part of the repressor kit is probably plastic. Other than that? Can't think of any.
The Immolator is entirely plastic.
And there we have a plastic SoB.
Ok, just the upper body parts...
ClockworkZion wrote:
Just found this through some digging around and nearly choked on my cereal:
Tzen wrote:Please take this information with a huge wad of salt. I was really tempted not to post this at all, because a lot of the time rumours are just so wrong its laughable.
I was sent this information over several e-mails and this is the best I can do to put the releases into some chronological order. It could be very wrong.
Here's some bits of info:
- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.
- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.
- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.
Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:
Harlequins.
Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.
Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.
Adeptus Mechanicus.
30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.
Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.
Then WFB 9th rules.
Horus Heresy releases
Mark 9 Power armoured marines.
WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.
Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).
This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.
So a couple more claims made supporting a Sisters release it seems.
WHFB stuff I can see. An apoc can't last forever so 9th ed may come.
But 30k rules? Mk9 PA without a dex ?
FW isn't done with 30k yet ....
New PA begs the question if thats a variant of a unit or a general new Mark.? 9 Companies equipped with non-Mk9 PA per Chapter, plus specialists, so upgrading so many marines doesn't seem easy. A 1000 chapters to supply...
Am not saying I would be against a new Mk, but either a codex or some other publication to go with it would be there?
C: Ecclesiarchy however, yes please.
OTOH, a SoB dex, + 30k + Ad-Mech + WHFB9th, sounds like too much competition for the girls... They may offer SoB to people with already emtpied pockets...and blame the Product instead of their own failure if this does not work.
Quick question: A restart of WHFB would happen most likely when? At games-day? Close to summer holidays?
pretre wrote: Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...
Finally some sense.
On the other hand, Harlequins pretty much invalidated the Lords of Wargaming-claim that all (!) 25mm bases will transition to 32mm. Their first wrong rumour?
Sisters do not die. They just retire to the side of the Emperor (cannot remember if it was the left or right side). And sometime they Celestine back to kick some heretic asses!
- There's mark 9 power armored marines on the way.
- Sister of battle are shortly after summer, just after WFB 9th ed.
- Horus Heresy is about to become very big, with Games Workshop building on the success of Forge Worlds game. This includes new plastic kits for Warhammer 30,000.
Current release schedule to my knowledge looks some thing like this:
Harlequins. Archaon End times - Bloodthirster and Khorne Chaos Warrior kits.
Khorne Chaos space marine supplement.
Adeptus Mechanicus.
30K box set during the "red week" in May - This is a period of time staff members cannot take time off from the shops.
Some follow up releases to support the new rules set for 30k.
Then WFB 9th rules.
Horus Heresy releases
Mark 9 Power armoured marines.
WFB Releases for the Empire and Chaos - This includes the starter kit for WFB 9th ed.
Sister of Battle (Actually a codex: Ecclesiarchy, but not called that).
This is by my own admission just guess work based on what I have been e-mailed. I don't know if the order is correct or not. Or even if it is complete crap. I just thought it would be nice to share. This is an experiment, I don't normally post anything without visible proof.
This looks like a classic example of taking stuff we do know, mixing it in with existing rumours, and presenting it as a genuine list of things to come. The world's salt reserves run dry at the very thought of this.
pretre wrote: Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...
More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed". That's not exactly a "it's not going to happen" as it could equally mean "it's going to suck".
pretre wrote: Lords of war gaming just shot down a plastic SOB release on their Facebook...
More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed". That's not exactly a "it's not going to happen" as it could equally mean "it's going to suck".
Or that it wont be happening soon.
Unfortunately, I'm also one of those people waiting for (plastic) Sisters.
ClockworkZion wrote: More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed".
That's the default setting for Sisters players, so... no change?
Yep, no change.
My only hope now is if he means 'disappointed' will be like.. Not a full Codex release like Dark Eldar, but more a mini-dex sort of thing like Harlequins and Militarum Tempestus.
I'd still be ok with that if only we can get a plastic Battle Sisters box.
ClockworkZion wrote: More specifically they're saying people are going to be "disappointed".
That's the default setting for Sisters players, so... no change?
If you listen only to the grumbling on certain boards, yes.
But the thing is "disappointed" is such a loose term in this context that it could mean anything from "no update" to "new codex, no models" to "new codex, new models but everything you know and love has been chucked into the bin for a more generic and less flavorful faction".
Azreal13 wrote: I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.
In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.
Azreal13 wrote: I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.
In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.
OK but look at it this way, if you accept the idea that Sisters of Battle are going to be pushed further down the road (or will just never be updated), then when something DOES come out, you can be super excitedly surprised.
In my desperation, I sent an e-mail to GW customer service. They've got nothing useful of course, but maybe the letter will get to the design team or something as just another tally of people complaining that Sisters aren't getting their update.
The guy did tack on a nice: "Please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day!" though, which was appreciated.
The idea of a 30k campaign coming out at the same time they release a new, future mark of power armor is counter productive.
I could see GW doing something for the HH (hopefully it's a smaller scale game with balanced rules that would actually fit in the tournament scene...), but I seriously doubt a total effort to do warhammer 30k.
Azreal13 wrote: I think it's pretty clear what "disappointed" probably means, I just think you're reluctant to accept what the likely implications of that are.
In the realm of rumors I disagree. There are plenty of vague claims that we take to mean one thing when something else has been meant (and was later clarified to be that different thing) and has lead me to only accept specific claims not general ones.
OK but look at it this way, if you accept the idea that Sisters of Battle are going to be pushed further down the road (or will just never be updated), then when something DOES come out, you can be super excitedly surprised.
In my desperation, I sent an e-mail to GW customer service. They've got nothing useful of course, but maybe the letter will get to the design team or something as just another tally of people complaining that Sisters aren't getting their update.
The guy did tack on a nice: "Please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day!" though, which was appreciated.
I approach all rumors the same way: they're fake until proven real. But I still like to entertain rumors.
And I already accepted Sisters as not a May release, I've even posted that myself. So, no, I don't need to be sold on that.
But again, "disappointed" is a vague statement, especially regarding Sisters players. When it comes to how GW treats us we're pretty much always disappointed, the question is how we're going to be disappointed this time.
Joy. Here's where I set aside all the rumor sites for about a month and come back once the next thing has actually released and people have their stuff together.
drbored wrote: Joy. Here's where I set aside all the rumor sites for about a month and come back once the next thing has actually released and people have their stuff together.
pretre wrote: And they just shot down HH plastics...
See, this is where I agree with CWZion. They shot down HH plastics in may. More precisely, he said that people calling HH plastics in May are way off.
What does that mean exactly? No HH plastics? Yes plastics, just not in May?
Just like Lords of War Gaming saying that "People waiting for Sisters are going to be disappointed". It's a vague statement open to interpretation.
Exactly. And getting details out of them is like pulling teeth. I get that they don't want to dump too much at once but sometimes you need to be a little more exacting in your word choice.
ClockworkZion wrote: I do get REALLY tired of that mentality too. Just because some rumors have been bad in the past (and when you go back and look there haven't been that many instances of "plastic sisters" rumors as the hyperbole states, and each time they've been around the time of a release which has been on point thus far for when it comes out) doesn't mean all rumors are automatically false or that we should reject every possibility without at least considering what is being said. This isn't 40k and as such a closed mind is not a virtue.
I'd rather be skeptical of rumors than disappointed when truth has its way of bringing ones high hopes crashing down. I would rather be pleasantly surprised when something you want to be true actually IS true rather than crushed when what you want has been rehashed, repackaged and spread about again by the rumor mill. Is that close minded?
That being said, I have never rejected a possible rumor without at least considering what is being said, and who is saying it.
Seems rumors say that the Tzeentch Campaign may indeed be coming, but won't have Sisters tagging along? Is this thread done?
Hastings named them specifically, and is pointing at a Harlequin-sized release. The obvious minis would be the Patriarch/BL, Magus, Hybrids, and Limo. Done. It also sounds like some of the releases he mentioned could be as far away as 2016. So they might not be imminent. Still.
Um. Wow. Having a hard time processing this. And I have many questions about what form they will take in terms of their interface with the Tyranid and IG codicies and material. But happy days are ahead! I never thought it'd happen.
Edit: When this happens, I'm gonna have to send the studio a gift basket or something. I'm not even kidding.
Hardly a surprise considering the amount and quality of rumours going around, being that you, Hastings are some of the few who are known to be reliable.
That being said I'm actually spiked for the HH and the Assassin's game, though I would also like to see Necromunda and Gorkamorka... And Inq28.
Destrado wrote: Hardly a surprise considering the amount and quality of rumours going around, being that you, Hastings are some of the few who are known to be reliable.
That being said I'm actually spiked for the HH and the Assassin's game, though I would also like to see Necromunda and Gorkamorka... And Inq28.
Oh, and 'Huzzah!'
Yeah...Harry, you have to admit there's TONS of noise out there, and a good portion of it is completely invented in the name of blog clicks.
People trust you guys, and that changes the whole game.
streetsamurai wrote: Is it normal that a 31 years old man can't sleep after reading these glorious rumours, cause he's way too excited ?
Nope indeed. A 31 years old should have been long enough around to not believe every rumor, even the very nice ones. As Harry pointed out in the other thread, even if a rumor is 105% accurate at the time of posting, GW can have a mind-change mid-production and retire the whole project months before it could see the light.
overtyrant wrote: Wait, Hastings is back on the scene? I thought he bowed out long ago?? Sorry for OT but has he said anything about the WFB rumours?
Yep. His first rumors since Nov that I know of.
Spoiler:
Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
Enough with the mk 9 armour. I've stated please DO NOT ASSOCIATE ANY OF THIS WITH MK9 ARMOUR. I have heard no such thing, and it has nothing to do with anything on this thread. IF there is mk9 armour it's something totally different to what's on this thread, or are we deliberately trying to merge all the rumours back into one large blob?
via Hastings on Warseer in response to above
This is partially true. The "starter set" is in fact a standalone game, however I'll accept starter set as it does lead onto the main 30k game. I think it's safe to assume that 30k could/will have a different game mechanic to 40k, or it would be pretty pointless as a standalone game. Hence the reason that some boxes will contain rules for both 30 & 40k (if the rules weren't different they'd only include 1 set of rules.
It's not however a safety net for WFB, it's a replacement for lotr/hobbit on the shelves as AFAIK all of this is going direct only. WFB is going to have plenty of store presence, and regardless of what many (and indeed I) think I don't think the reboot will be bad for WFB, especially if in it's current format is failing to sell. Hell at one point it was almost totally canned.
You never know new WFB might just be awesome (not finecast awesome either), however my own feelings are that the background is what makes WFB, dick with this then it isn't WFB any more, and frankly that just isn't for me. I'm going a little O/T here posting about WFB on 40k (or should that be 30k??) boards but I feel it's as good a time as any. I think what's done WFB no good is the high entry cost and investment of time & money to get a decent army, making a game that's playable as a skirmish game AND a massed battle game does make financial sense, start small, minimal initial outlay, get people interested/hooked, build and buy a bigger army, SADLY this is where GW fall down, THIS IS WHAT THEY USED TO DO YEARS AGO, with games like Heroquest, Warhammer Quest, Blood Bowl etc. get people into the Warhammer world and setting and races of that fantasy world.
They lost sight of this and thought that the product was self sustaining, it isn't, there is much more competition now for peoples hard earned cash than ever before, there are many companies that do similar and in some cases better stuff than GW and people know it, because other companies use the internet etc. to their advantage, GW see it as the enemy, and they are wrong.
I guarantee this thread has generated more excitement in a few short hours than crap like warhammer visions ever will, and it won't cost them hardly anything. People including me are now thinking, maybe I'll get some nids really for genestealer cults coming along, or I'll pick up an extra deathstorm box for all the nids, or whatever, that GW is SALES. Hiding away ignoring your fan base is beyond ridiculous, especially in such a niche market. The fact that Whispereroftruth said "Admech..... proved popular beyond all expectations" shows just how little they know/listen to their fanbase, as this has been one of THE most wishlisted armies for so many years it is ridiculous. Anyway enough rambling.
Release Schedule Rumors - Feb 2015
Question by drbored on Warseer (hastings response is afterwards)
Sad about Sisters, but let's work on the rest of these.
When you say 'Harlequin-sized release' you mean in terms of number of kits?
So it COULD be a main codex (like Space Marines or whatevs) getting about
as many models as the Harlequins got, or are we talking about smaller
forces like the Militarum Tempestus and Harlequin-style releases with new
Codices?
Also I think it's pretty clear that the 'full range' is going to become
GW's plastic 30k stuff, which means the boxed 'historical game' is going to
be Horus Heresy based, or am I just off the mark?
hastings Response
I mean Harlequin sized as in number of kits, i.e. a few characters, a
troops kit, a larger kit and a transport. Or thereabouts One kind of has a
main codex, kind of, and it's been mentioned on this very thread. The other
has also been mentioned on another thread, the one that got moved for not
having any news or rumours in.... even though it actually contained quite a
bit. In fact I suppose you might say the 2nd has a main codex too (kind of)
You sir are on the mark
It's HH as stated above.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. BOTH new standalone games will have their model contents released. The first being HH, will see models released as part of the 30k range. The 2nd boxed game models will be released as part of 40k range, part that is currently only available in finecast and not deathwatch before anyone says it again.
second 'box game' is based on Officio Assasinorum.
via Hastings
rearrange this:-
thesecondboxgameisbasedaroundassassnis
drbored
I'm honestly really hoping that Chaos Space Marines gets some attention. Let's get some properly sized Plague Marines, updated Khorne Berzerkers, and Noise Marines and Thousand Sons that aren't half Finecast, kthxbai
Also thanks hastings, this is awesome stuff and makes me pretty excited for the future!
Oh they will
Hastings Response
But not as part of the stuff in this thread, well unless you count the bad SM as CSM? (if you know what I mean)
I have heard that there might be a plastic GD, plastic daemons, and plastic CSM kit for a certain god at some point later this year (and no it's not Khorne!)
Hastings Wrapping things up
So from the list we have:-
Admech Codex & models (full release)
**** Codex & models (Harelquin sized release already mentioned on thread)
**** Codex & models (Harelquin sized release already mentioned on thread)
HH Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of 30k range.
Assassins Standalone box game, on sale for a few months, then models become part of the 40k range.
Not Arbites, Not CSM in any form, subtract from those listed. Although I did say that DA might get an update AND that there may be a 40k release of a GD, Deamons and CSM for a god that isn't Khorne at some time later in the year.
Deathwatch
Genestealer Cult
Then separately DA & Tzeentch type stuff. Oh but don't rule out the missing GDs etc. they're all done
Two are due out this year (greater daemons) AFAIK, and we've seen pics of 1
I will just reiterate I DO NOT KNOW THE TIMEFRAME of these releases, I've been out of the loop for some time. I can only assume that Lords of Wargaming have the Apr/May Admech correct (I'd heard April) but I've no idea of the schedule or indeed order of the other stuff.
I guess Patriarch, Magus, Hybrids, and Limo might just about make that a Harlequin sized release?
Totally (well not totally actually) unrelated I did hear that actual CODEXes? (CODices?) god know s the plural, might soon be a thing of the past. with all rules being in box leaflets. Some might even contain 2 sets of rules, one for 40k and one for 30k But I'm not 100% on this.
Arbites would make a good allies faction. Sure they use some stuff that's already used by the Marines and Sisters (namely Rhinos) but that just makes it easier to put something out there for them. Heck if GW really wanted they could even throw in the Taurox as an Arbite option too.
Though knowing how things generally work we'll end up with some other third option instead.
overtyrant wrote: Wait, Hastings is back on the scene? I thought he bowed out long ago?? Sorry for OT but has he said anything about the WFB rumours?
Yep. His first rumors since Nov that I know of.
Reading through that, I'm struck by the strange contrast between an initial caginess and a subsequent willingness to confirm correct guesses. If a person has "privileged" information, and is apparently willing to be seen confirming correct guesses about said information, why would a person not just say what they know in the first place, over playing a tepid sort of cat-and-mouse? Is this some sort of bizarre attempt at deep-cover marketing?
overtyrant wrote: Wait, Hastings is back on the scene? I thought he bowed out long ago?? Sorry for OT but has he said anything about the WFB rumours?
Yep. His first rumors since Nov that I know of.
Reading through that, I'm struck by the strange contrast between an initial caginess and a subsequent willingness to confirm correct guesses. If a person has "privileged" information, and is apparently willing to be seen confirming correct guesses about said information, why would a person not just say what they know in the first place, over playing a tepid sort of cat-and-mouse? Is this some sort of bizarre attempt at deep-cover marketing?
Probably because there is a tendency on these sites now to see a rumormancer sticking their neck out with something new and cut it off. Thus it is safer and less aggravating to merely confirm rumors that are out there. Even Harry and Hastings have had some flak directed their way in the past.
overtyrant wrote: Wait, Hastings is back on the scene? I thought he bowed out long ago?? Sorry for OT but has he said anything about the WFB rumours?
Yep. His first rumors since Nov that I know of.
Reading through that, I'm struck by the strange contrast between an initial caginess and a subsequent willingness to confirm correct guesses. If a person has "privileged" information, and is apparently willing to be seen confirming correct guesses about said information, why would a person not just say what they know in the first place, over playing a tepid sort of cat-and-mouse? Is this some sort of bizarre attempt at deep-cover marketing?
Don't read too much into it.
I suspect he was just trying to stretch it a bit ... like a striptease it's more fun when you reveal bit by bit rather than just .getting you kit off'.
When I say 'you' you understand I mean when 'one; does a striptease ... not when you specuficaly do a striptease ... not that there is anythingg wrong with that .... if that is what you like to do .... I just has an attractive girl in mind when I said that ... not saying your not an attractive girl ... in fact if you are then that is fine ... you can take you to mean you rather than 'one.
There really is not much in it for rumour posters the ammount of people 'throwing salt' and 'calling BS' ....which is in effect calling you a liar everytime you post something is not even funny .... never mind how bad you feel if you get something wrong. ... or even worse if you are not stoked about the rumours yourself and it is essentially bad news for a chunk of the community ...even posting something good coming means someone else's long awaited update is not coming for a while longer.
Hastings has been the most consistent, most accurate rumour poster for as many years as I have been on the interwebz ....So when he does 'have the scoop' ... I think folks should allow him to have a bit of fun and share that information however he likes.
He does not work for GW ... he is not involved in any sort of deep cover marketting .... you clearly have not seen him banging on about finecast to even suggest such a thing. I don't think he has even bought a GW product for a couple of years .... why he would even continue to bring the rest of us rumours I have no idea.
Yeah I'm glad Hastings is back AND getting involved in 40k rumours not just WFB. I don't play 40k or WFB anymore but like to keep up to date with the goings on with these games as maybe if they improve the rules I'll get back into them.
For the love of the Emprah GW, just release the GDs. Its literally the only thing stopping me from going all out on CD (gonna be starting a Khorne Army soon, obviously)
Harry wrote: Don't read too much into it.
I suspect he was just trying to stretch it a bit ... like a striptease it's more fun when you reveal bit by bit rather than just .getting you kit off'.
When I say 'you' you understand I mean when 'one; does a striptease ... not when you specuficaly do a striptease ... not that there is anythingg wrong with that .... if that is what you like to do .... I just has an attractive girl in mind when I said that ... not saying your not an attractive girl ... in fact if you are then that is fine ... you can take you to mean you rather than 'one.
There really is not much in it for rumour posters the ammount of people 'throwing salt' and 'calling BS' ....which is in effect calling you a liar everytime you post something is not even funny .... never mind how bad you feel if you get something wrong. ... or even worse if you are not stoked about the rumours yourself and it is essentially bad news for a chunk of the community ...even posting something good coming means someone else's long awaited update is not coming for a while longer.
Hastings has been the most consistent, most accurate rumour poster for as many years as I have been on the interwebz ....So when he does 'have the scoop' ... I think folks should allow him to have a bit of fun and share that information however he likes.
He does not work for GW ... he is not involved in any sort of deep cover marketting .... you clearly have not seen him banging on about finecast to even suggest such a thing. I don't think he has even bought a GW product for a couple of years .... why he would even continue to bring the rest of us rumours I have no idea.
Best just to say thanks
I can appreciate that. I was basing my questions on a quick read-through of a summary post, and I don't know the background or history behind Hastings or his presentation of information. I think my bullgak detector is a touch too sensitive sometimes, and I don't want to be attacking the character of someone I don't know, though I realize thats pretty much how my post read.
Kosake wrote: So, did you finally scare Harry off? I think some solid insights into what's coming for Chaos and SoB would have been much appreciated...
I doubt that he was scared off. Dakka is not his usual haunt though, so he drops by only occasionally.
Ok, just the upper body parts... 
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