That price doesn't seem to bad compared to the competition, since it includes both foam and a sturdy case. In fact they might be the cheapest alternative for this type of case.
Hey, those prices are very decent. I was expecting these to be a lot more than they are.
I'm gonna check these out.
My mate spent many times the amount on custom battle foam and I couldn't justify that. Especially because I've had a GW case for years and never had a break.
Kanluwen wrote: I haven't shopped for a case in a long time.
Would love to know how these compare to "The Big Names" out there.
A KR multicase Kaiser 2, including 2 KR Card Cases (I Ithink you would need two cases to fit the Crusade army) is $180, and the Kaiser is a soft case and not a hard one. KR is an excellent product, and obviously I don't know how this compares.
Kanluwen wrote: I haven't shopped for a case in a long time.
Would love to know how these compare to "The Big Names" out there.
A KR multicase Kaiser 2, including 2 KR Card Cases (I Ithink you would need two cases to fit the Crusade army) is $180, and the Kaiser is a soft case and not a hard one. KR is an excellent product, and obviously I don't know how this compares.
Battle foam is more expensive than KR.
I agree that you probably need 2 KRU worth of foam for the big case. One thing to consider is that the $180 price if for full custom foam. The GW cases looks to be full of their new zig-zag foam, so you might want to compare the Kaiser 2 with core foam (which includes normal infantry and/or pluck foam) which is only $155. And while a soft bag, it does have things like pockets for dice, books, etc.
The GW midsized one looks to be about 1 KRU worth of space. KR either has a cheeper card case ($48) or more expensive alluminum/kaiser/backpacks (a bit over $100, depending)
The KR small (1/2 KRU) equivalents go for $37-72, depending.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I was interested in these when I first heard about them... but what's with the weird foam?
No clue beyond the production description.
The Crusade Case contains four two-tier foam trays, with zigzag shaped channels to snugly hold your miniatures. The channels speed up the process of loading and unloading your models, and remove the need for cutting chunks out of your foam.
I've been thinking about getting a new case for awhile and when these come out next Saturday, I will have to take a look at them in person.
pretre wrote:Yeah, I think it's just a new way to handle the vagueries of model size. Also allows you to use it for multiple forces without swapping trays.
Desubot wrote:The ziggity zag foam seems like an interesting idea.
haven't seen it before so +1 actual innovation for them till otherwise shown wrong.
The fact that the same tray can go from infantry to dread is kind of nice. I suspect it might be good for bikes. Other vehicles I’m not so sure about the use of these cases. For anything that doesn’t fit in the zigs, it looks like the other option is to take them out and just have a foam lined cube. A little too much rattling around there for my taste.
I think it will be fine so long as you pack a few spare foam pieces to lock it all in place.
I already went with the magnetic option but i might be interested in a speed case like this. so loong as it isnt some limited edition thing like the apoc one.
Guess we'll see. I've got a stack of new Warhammer miniatures (everything from Night Goblins to Dragon Ogres) that I need to store somewhere and all my other cases are full.
It's there new design that they have patented so those pesky other companies can't steal there ideas!
To be fair it is actually a unique and innovative idea, so they're quite justified in patenting it. Much more so than some of the other things they've tried to claim in recent years...
It looks like the prices are pretty reasonable comparing to the competition and are way better than the old carrying cases. I've been looking for a way to transport my Ravenwing army that I may never use, this might be my first GW purchase in quite a while.
At a glance it looks like just the outter parimiters are glued on a 20-25mm base pad.
The zigzag walls don't look glued down due to them stretching from 25mm to 65mm hence the thick base pad and outter parimiters taking all the work with no support from the walls. I'll have a closer look when I'm on a computer.
As a side note they only store 200 marines, my one can hold 600 for £56 or 1200 marines for £100 and we both use the same foam but my case is sturdy cardboard.
I was talking with my wife about having to buy a case for my new SoB army. (All infantry, all the time) I was dreading having to fit them into Battlefoam trays (I used the Dreamforge bases which are 32mm), this could be a very good alternative. I never had to complain about my GW cases.
Tyron wrote: At a glance it looks like just the outter parimiters are glued on a 20-25mm base pad.
The zigzag walls don't look glued down due to them stretching from 25mm to 65mm hence the thick base pad and outter parimiters taking all the work with no support from the walls. I'll have a closer look when I'm on a computer.
As a side note they only store 200 marines, my one can hold 600 for £56 or 1200 marines for £100 and we both use the same foam but my case is sturdy cardboard.
Cardboard is fine for storage inside your house, and sometimes if you're putting them in your car, etc (I have a number of KR card cases, and might have bought some of yours, once upon a time). Anything more bumpy than that and you're better off with something more sturdy than cardboard for the case. GW's current line of cases have been great, and I'd hope the new ones will be just as good.
The zigzag inserts seem a decent solution to GW's recent wild diversity in base sizes, which presumably is the reason for the change.
But you'll still need to do something to handle models which are also taller than usual, e.g. have a separate tray for all 'monstrous creature'-sized or walker-sized models. Not a huge problem (and less of a problem than with the old cases), but still worth thinking about when deciding on a model's pose during kit assembly. (I've always avoided 'waving both arms in the air' poses for this very reason.)
I like the idea of the trays for infantry models but have concerns about larger fiddly models like my Flyrants. The video shows a rhino, Nagash, etc but I cant see these supporting some of the larger creatures without risking minor breakage. Also in the video the plastic lid flexes a lot which leads me to believe the plastic is thin. May be nothing but I need to see these in person...the problem is where hehe.
Fishboy wrote: I like the idea of the trays for infantry models but have concerns about larger fiddly models like my Flyrants. The video shows a rhino, Nagash, etc but I cant see these supporting some of the larger creatures without risking minor breakage. Also in the video the plastic lid flexes a lot which leads me to believe the plastic is thin. May be nothing but I need to see these in person...the problem is where hehe.
Yeah. I'd be worried moving Nagash from the shelf to the table, let along it supporting itself on the side inside acase that requires some pressire to keep things in their place. Same deal with the dangly bits on the Bloodthirster's wings, and so on and so forth through the new "animated" plastic range...
Interesting. At that price KR is still cheaper, but that's comparing GW's hard plastic cases to KR's card. Not that I've ever had a need for anything stronger than card. I would say "you get what you pay for", but then again this is GW...
I'm sure those who like to stick with official products for their GW collections will be pleased, though.
The video they posted on GW's website next to the cases does show a small drop and the results. It looks like it's actually pretty secure. I'm seriously intrigued by this. Looks like it may be a great case for a lot of different armies.
godswildcard wrote: The video they posted on GW's website next to the cases does show a small drop and the results. It looks like it's actually pretty secure. I'm seriously intrigued by this. Looks like it may be a great case for a lot of different armies.
I will be watching...
In all honesty, i think the design only works with plastic models. Maby Resin.
If you are useing older Metals, I'm not sure if the foam will secure it properly due to weight.
godswildcard wrote: The video they posted on GW's website next to the cases does show a small drop and the results. It looks like it's actually pretty secure. I'm seriously intrigued by this. Looks like it may be a great case for a lot of different armies.
I will be watching...
In all honesty, i think the design only works with plastic models. Maby Resin.
If you are useing older Metals, I'm not sure if the foam will secure it properly due to weight.
That's my thoughts, too. I can't see myself ever using this stuff except for storage of mass plastic infantry. Even then, I don't think I'd ever want to stand them vertically for any real period of time, especially not in a moving vehicle.
Nice, I have been looking for a reason to ditch the KR cardboard boxes i have, (not a fan) and these ones look like they could do the job, guess it depends on how good the new type of foam is.
Looking forward to checking some out in store, always had good experiences with GW cases, and these ones look really nice too.
godswildcard wrote: The video they posted on GW's website next to the cases does show a small drop and the results. It looks like it's actually pretty secure. I'm seriously intrigued by this. Looks like it may be a great case for a lot of different armies.
I will be watching...
In all honesty, i think the design only works with plastic models. Maby Resin.
If you are useing older Metals, I'm not sure if the foam will secure it properly due to weight.
That's my thoughts, too. I can't see myself ever using this stuff except for storage of mass plastic infantry. Even then, I don't think I'd ever want to stand them vertically for any real period of time, especially not in a moving vehicle.
It looks fine to me for transport as long as everything is plastic, witch GW stuff has been rapidly moving to a all plastic range for a few years now. So makes sence to just design a case with that in mind. Plastic mini's aren't the heavy, and the foam seems to sandwitch them in pretty good. You can see the foam compressing when the case full of figures is closed.
But no way you would be able to transport anything metal thow, the modles would be to heavy for the foam to hold in place.
Resin forgeworld stuff is what i'm worried about how well it transports, since it's halfway between plastic and metal in regards to weight.
For armies that never fit properly in the old GW cases, this is a big deal.
With regards to metal models, I imagine it'd be fine if the trays are actually full, if you have a single model in there it'll probably bounce around, but if you fill all the adjacent cells with models I imagine it'd hold them in place fine.
I'm not sure how it'd deal with small or slender models though.
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Lockark wrote: Resin forgeworld stuff is what i'm worried about how well it transports, since it's halfway between plastic and metal in regards to weight.
FW resin is way closer to the density of plastic than metal. Polystyrene plastic is around a specific gravity of 1 (similar weight to water), most casting resins are also around 0.9 to 1.5 tops. I would imagine FW resin is much the same because if you throw it in warm water (to straighten out warps) it doesn't immediately sink. Pewter is about 7.3, so 7 times heavier than either polystyrene plastic or resin.
Yeah FW resin is pretty damn light, not really noticeably heavier than plastic.
I'm very surprised at the prices for these. I saw £50 and assumed it was for the smallest one haha. But if the new foam works (which it looks like it will to me, but I'll wait for some reviews) then they're pretty reasonable (especially compared to battlefoam).
Yeah I'm going to wait on some reviews and see what people say, maybe go to my local GW and check it out for myself. If it works as advertised I might buy some, I have a couple of hundred models that are just sitting around in cardboard boxes and it'd be good to pack them away safely and properly and this seems like a reasonably cheap way of doing it.
I wonder how well they stack too. If I can buy 3 or 4 and stack them in the corner of a room that would be great.
It has an attractive price point and the various sizes are good if you carry a lot of models or if somebody is just starting out and only has a few models they don't need a giant case to store things in. The only thing I'm not sure about is that is says it fits "most models" not sure what that will mean. But for £75 for the largest case compared to a lot of case manufacturers who don't use cardboard it's very attractive. £30 for the smallest is really nice too if you have a kid just getting into painting models or something and you want to give them something to store them in or just want the extra space for a few bigger models. I'll probably grab one of these since I'm in need of a case and I'm not a fan of messing around custom fitting foam.
The design is very interesting, the foam zig zag looks like its flexible enough to accommodate tons of different miniatures shapes. Also the zig zag part looks like its not glued to the bottom of the tray which means if you place a base between the base and the zig zag layer it will be secure. The exterior is also discreet enough for any adult to carry. Price wise is definitely a good price.
Lockark wrote: The crusade case actually looks like a real good value in all honesty. $150 CAD for a case that size feels competitive to me.
No kidding. I paid 220$ for a Pack 1520 XL and although the wheels are nice, the thing is a bloody mess to store minis in. I have rarely had a mini that could fit inside the 1 inch foam trays without arms and weapons going every which way. I was thinking of getting the 200 minis case for my plastic SoB and their vehicles, and from the look of it I will have a much easier time fitting everything in there.
Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
After the completely hilarious £40 price point for the Citadel Project Box, I was quite surprised when I saw the prices of these.
I am a KR Multicase fan and have several of the 200 figure cases but with those I'm limited to 25mm bases. The KR Multicase by itself is cheap but if you want to add a Kaiser bag to actually transport the card case around, that bumps the price up to £52.99.
For £50 retail for the Battle case with added flexibility, they could actually have a winner here.
Jayden63 wrote: Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
I just can't get behind GW pricing.
Pistol cases are a bit harder to find in the UK for some reason
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I wonder how well they stack too. If I can buy 3 or 4 and stack them in the corner of a room that would be great.
Yes, "the Skirmish and Battle cases have been designed to stack on top of each other for easy storage", and all three have ridges in the tops and bases to neatly stack multiples of the same type. (Unlike the old cases, where there was nothing to hold a stack of them in place.)
I am pretty impressed with the price points on these, more so when they are available to independant retailers and I am seeing them up for pre-order at more than 10% discount on some websites.
Jayden63 wrote: Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
I just can't get behind GW pricing.
Pistol cases are a bit harder to find in the UK for some reason
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is because there are less pistols.
Jayden63 wrote: Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
I just can't get behind GW pricing.
Pistol cases are a bit harder to find in the UK for some reason
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is because there are less pistols.
I'm not sure that's the case, and it sure is inconvenient having them falling out of my pockets
After the completely hilarious £40 price point for the Citadel Project Box, I was quite surprised when I saw the prices of these.
Say what you will, but I love the hell out of my overpriced box. Sure, my wallet did not appreciate it, but it was the best thing on the market to fit my needs: a way to pack away all my paints and tools quickly and easily into an attractive little box. I paint in my living room and the wife loses her if I leave all my stuff out.
That said, on topic... I am severely tempted to try this out. The zigzag foam may actually be able to store all my fiddly dark eldar and harlequin vehicles without them exploding to dust. I wish they had some specific foam tray measurements though. That's what's keeping me from dropping the cash.
Mmmm. I find them ugly and clunky. Way more expensive than Battlefoam as well. I'll stick with them, especially when they run their Black Friday sales.
I've been carting around my Ork Greentide in a fishing tackle for a while now. And not by choice. AoBR orks have really odd poses and don't fit in a standard 25mm slot. I am really tempted by the Skirmish case. The capacity of it and the price point have me nearly sold. Definitely going down to my FLGS next chance i get to check one out in person.
Hmm, these actually look pretty sweet. I may need to get one of the medium ones and move my Crimson Fists (my larger army) into it, and move my Blood Angels into my old case. Hard to say. My CF have more vehicles (One Stormtalon, a Drop Pod, three Rhinos, one LSS, two Land Speeders, a Dreadnought, and a Contemptor Dreadnought), but if the new box fits jump packs better, it might work better for my BA (which only have three vehicles, a Stormraven, a Predator, and a Rhino).
Pojko wrote: Mmmm. I find them ugly and clunky. Way more expensive than Battlefoam as well. I'll stick with them, especially when they run their Black Friday sales.
Games Workshop, Crusade case product page wrote: Have a look at the images or check out the video in the tab to the right to to get a taste for just how life-changingly excellent these cases are - you won’t be able to work out how you lived without them. It’s ok. Those dark times are over now.
Games Workshop, is that you? I mean, they spelled "okay" incorrectly, but still.
EDIT: Gun cases aren't even a thing in Northern Ireland. That's because we exclusively use bricks as "pistols" - CCWs and short-ranged shooting attacks.
Games Workshop, Crusade case product page wrote: Have a look at the images or check out the video in the tab to the right to to get a taste for just how life-changingly excellent these cases are - you won’t be able to work out how you lived without them. It’s ok. Those dark times are over now.
Games Workshop, is that you? I mean, they spelled "okay" incorrectly, but still.
EDIT: Gun cases aren't even a thing in Northern Ireland. That's because we exclusively use bricks as "pistols" - CCWs and short-ranged shooting attacks.
Now you will also have GW cases, those things look as sturdy as a brick.
I'll definitely be getting one of these. I've had a problem storing bigger stuff like tanks and dreadnoughts for a while. My dark eldar army is constantly snapping in my existing case too.
the new cases from GW are more or less the same like always
models are still carried sideways and will still take damage because of that
and I cannot carry whole regiments at once because of that
H.B.M.C. wrote:"... how life-changingly excellent..."
Hahahahaha.
I thought it was funny! It comes off more as humour than as typical GW "we are literally the best thing to exist, ever, in the entire universe" arrogance.
NAVARRO wrote:
Now you will also have GW cases, those things look as sturdy as a brick.
Does anybody know if WaylandGames' "free postage over £40" applies to these? It's contrary to the bulky item restriction (so the case can't go in Rhinos, either), but the free shipping promotional code doesn't need to be entered to get the non-tracked postage for free over £40. I'm guessing this is a failing of their checkout system rather than it being allowed, but it's worth finding out. If not, it'll probably be best to get one on eBay in a while, since eBay postage tends to be better for whatever reason.
Don't be silly. Games Workshop designers came up with zig-zagging lines all by themselves as a totally original idea, without any outside influence like existing zig-zagging lines (which they were totally unaware of).
Frozen Ocean wrote: Don't be silly. Games Workshop designers came up with zig-zagging lines all by themselves as a totally original idea, without any outside influence like existing zig-zagging lines (which they were totally unaware of).
Well, you are correct, of course. I can see incoming legal battle against makers of Bolt Action and Flames of War, who blatantly abuse GW's trademarked Linae Zigzaggum™® in their own marketing.
Wow! good job GW! I've spent a considerable amount of time researching miniture cases, I believe GW has done a great job with this newest line of cases and a great product even compared to the current market leaders in terms of both price and quality.
Although I haven't have the produce in hand yet. I can give a quick review of the pros and cons of the product from the product description and video provided by games workshop.
About the Foam:
GW has contiued to use their current exisiting foam material in this new line of bags. Those who are not familiar with it, it means the foam is EXTREAMLY soft! The foam itself does not offer structual support.They are not ideal for metal minitures. They need to be supported by hand at the bottom if moving a tray full of minitures. This type to tray uses the minitures itself to offer structual support, hence in the videos the cases are always full of models.
The benefits to this type of foam is they are soft to protect irrgular shapes such as pikes during transport. They save space so you can carry more models with a smaller size bag. The video mentions the tray are bigger than the case, meaning the foam is untended to squeeze into the model and hug it during transport. This provides more protecion than non custom made hard foams made by ie BF. The ziplog cuttings is genius for this type to foam. Although they dont offer the 100% paint protection as offered by BF, the design saves space, allow different sized models to fit together, prevent BREAKING of PLASTIC/RESIN MODEL (can't say the same for paint)
Another point about this case it will take longer than most cases to unpack and repark the models due tot he zip-lock style foam, making it less than ideal for 3 game tournaments.
About the Case.
This case only looks rigid, but it is no better than the current GW case offered. The material is only meets the minimun structual requirement to be used with the soft foam. The hinge will still break with extended/rough use and once its broken the case will be useless (there are no holes in the edge to put a lock or zip tie). This is nothing compared to the hard cases offered by BF.
About the price.
The price is INSAINLY good! I can't believe GW makes something that is below average market price. Each of the case offeres good value. But please do note the concept of value. These GW cases are very specific in what to carry and are not customizable! They MUST be filled with the correct type of models to offer the structual integrety it is intended for. Most cases requires a lot of infintry sized models with a few large models. or TONS of infintry models. It will simply not work in if you want to say take 3 stormravens and 2 droppods.
Lastly I want to say it is a shame there's no additional compartment for rulebooks and dices and your wallet/cellphone.
In summary
These cases are a great purchase if you have a ton of plastic/resin models. Make sure you fill the entire case with models prior to transport. Buy the correct size for your army. These cases will not last forever, either the soft foam to degrade (especially the glue) or the hinge will break. I figured a about 5 years of constant, weekly transport by public transport. These bags will not go on a plane! Dont bother if your army has a lot of metal models. the weight will tear the form right off after moderate use. Also the weight will made the case very unconfortable for transport. Don't bother if your models are golden deamon quality. the zip lock style foam will not offer the paint protection you demanded, but should still offer protection for models of good paint quality (ie those painted by duncan from GW).
I think this is THE BAG for a warhammer/fantasy army. meaning a large sized 50+ model army that isn't all golden deamon quality, great price point and get innovative ideas to fit A LOT of models into a bag without the added costs of custom foam.
These new cases are very intriguing, but I'm not convinced.
1. In all of the pictures with these new cases stuffed full of models, they're all right up against each other. Things are going to get damaged.
2. The foam is still, just like the former, not appropriate for vehicles.
3. The space does look like it's been effeciently used. Sure they pull a bunch of models out in the video, but they're mostly infantry.
I don't know... I'll have to see one in person. Until then, Battle Foam is in my opinion still the best product available, but I'm sure BF will release foam trays that will fit inside these cases. Perhaps the combination of the two will make for a great transport solution.
Ive been looking for a decent hard case for travelling with models that is not huge, and overly expen$ive. I have purchased a GW figure case in the past, and it was decent and held many models but only models on a small round base that did not have a lot of things projecting from the model (guns, banners etc). which was- disappointing.
If GW is clever the size of the foam will be the same size as used by other carrying case markets...
But god help you if you have any of the following in your army and decide to try and use one.
- Back banners, trophy poles or other spiky bits sticking upward.
- Weapons raised above your head.
- Fidgety or delicate weapons extended beyond your base.
- Spikes. Seriously, that foam looks to read RIP Tyranids, Dark Elves, Dark Eldar and Chaos.
Pojko wrote: Mmmm. I find them ugly and clunky. Way more expensive than Battlefoam as well. I'll stick with them, especially when they run their Black Friday sales.
The stuff I linked to are camera cases. They cost a bit more, but have handles and wheels, the bigger cases can easily hold a couple of armies with their vehicles and come with a lifetime guarantee. I first saw them when some people I worked with brought them to a conference. They have flown materials all over the world in them with no damage to the case because these things are built like a tank.
When I saw these and watched the vid I gotta say I was kinda impressed. I know the vid is obviously them marketing themselves and so they loaded it with nothing but best case scenario models, I noticed the lack of DE, spiky chaos and nid models. However since I have non-spiky chaos, my DE aren't assembled yet and I don't play nids this is a non-issue for me. I like the theory behind the zig-zag pattern and how I don't have to cut trays to fit specific models. Lastly this is the first time in a long time that I've seen a new GW release and have been ok with the price. I don't have too much experience on buying cases for models but at a quick glance these seem to be fairly and competitively priced, not dirt cheap but not typical GW over-costed either. I must say I was actually fairly happy to open my wallet to give these products a try.
I've pre-ordered one of each case and once they show up I'll put them to the test starting with the skirmish case (I do a lot of smaller battles so this case is perfect for me 80% of the time) and I'll gladly post a review here if you guys would like some feedback before you look at them yourselves.
I've recently decided to step up from a cardboard box packed with foam, and I think that I'm gonna go with one of the medium ones of these. From the look of it, they're pretty good quality, and they have a nice appearance, as well. The price is really what does it for me, to be honest. The cases hit that Cost:Value ratio just right for me.
Ugh, been in Brook's threads for too long. I had to take a double take on that foam. (Emprah help me.)
I could see a vehicle like a rhino fitting but, then there would be awkward side spaces. This is a weird case for sure. However, the pricing seems okay.
I use a small carbine case with cut foam, I am trading it for a buddies pistol case.
What a curious time for KR Multicase to be celebrating some new case sizes with a buy one get one free offer. I'm sure it's purely coincidental.
Personally, I own a mass of small metal infantry, and several wildly abnormally shaped airships, so sadly these are not really what I need. I am pleased to see a serious upgrade from the old cases at a good price. I could see me picking one up if i was in town and fancied a nice present for myself.
Jayden63 wrote: Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
I just can't get behind GW pricing.
Those are probably great for those in the USA, but GW isn't based in the US, and Planos/gun cases aren't available in the same way in the UK or most of Europe.
Jayden63 wrote: Plano 4 pistol cases. Holds 50 ish guys per level or various tanks in the lower level. Yeah you have to cut the foam to fit yourself but they are 12 bucks each. Hard plastic outside with good strong clasps.
I just can't get behind GW pricing.
Those are probably great for those in the USA, but GW isn't based in the US, and Planos/gun cases aren't available in the same way in the UK or most of Europe.
I'll concede that you have to trust to faith the dimensions of the listings, and it's not as gratifying as walking out of a shop with something in your hands, but those are some nice prices.
I really enjoy the people comparing the GW list price to a BF sale price, at least with the GW case you won't be waiting up to 6 months for your order to be filled.
I am already seeing the new GW cases pricing from discounters and currently the best price is 30% off.
i think i am going to get one of the new cases, the question is which would be best for my Nids, the Battle or Crusade.
Just noticed on the US GW page that the Crusader case is already out of stock for pre-order, with the add to cart button replaced with email me and out of stock listed in availability.
Deathklaat wrote: Just noticed on the US GW page that the Crusader case is already out of stock for pre-order, with the add to cart button replaced with email me and out of stock listed in availability.
I saw that weds, and I'm looking at it now, and I just threw one in my cart as a test. So I guess they either rushed some more out, or found some more stock some where....
I had a chance to take a look at the crusade case Wednesday when the shipment came in. They're a lot smaller than I expected from the pics. I also prefer the old style foam or pluck foam. This foam seems like the models will slip and hit each other when you turn the case on its side to carry it around. With the old style GW foam you can just rip dividers out to make larger models fit. If you have any metal stuff you need to make sure you put it in closest to the hinges or it will slide down and crush a whole row of plastic models. I was going to buy one for my drop pods but I'll just get a generic hard plastic case off Amazon and some pluck foam instead (For 1/3 the price).
Didn't see the large case, but the large is just a double wide medium.
I'd be very reticent to try and fit 2 ravagers in one piece of that foam.
I need to stuff 4 ravagers/raiders, 8 venoms/starweavers and 2 razorwings in a case AT MINIMUM and I am confident that is unattainable without damage and paint scraping in a crusade case.
Plastic on the outside felt thinner and cheaper than I am comfortable with as well.
Ah I didn't realise you needed to fit 14 vehicles in a case.
In that case, yeah, they'd probably be too small, except maybe for the crusade.
I do understand you concern about damage, though, as raiders/ravager with their sails and the razorwings are probably too large to fit in the zig-zag inlets and would have to be loose to slide around.
They are significantly smaller than the pictures imply. Originally I said they look to cost about half as much as Battlefoam for equal volume - nope. About the same.
The "innovative" new tray slots are oriented so they are vertical when you pick up the case - so unless the tray is completely jammed with models, they will all slide down to the bottom of the case.
The plastic is just as cheap as the previous GW cases. The clasps will break and you'll have a pretty expensive doorstop.
The tray foam is so cheap that it got permanently crumpled by the shoulder strap, which had been rolled into a ball and jammed in the case.
katfude wrote: Didn't see the large case, but the large is just a double wide medium.
I'd be very reticent to try and fit 2 ravagers in one piece of that foam.
I need to stuff 4 ravagers/raiders, 8 venoms/starweavers and 2 razorwings in a case AT MINIMUM and I am confident that is unattainable without damage and paint scraping in a crusade case.
The zig-zag foam is a neat idea. +1 for innovation, at least its something never been tried before.
The price point... is refreshingly sane (for GW). I was thinking these were going to come in 50% higher. I was pretty impressed at the price points and that they come full of foam at that. Thought for sure that'd be an extra cost.
The real thing left for me is what durability and thickness is the plastic itself ? If its a good thick rugged durability, i'll probably pick one up. If it's cheap quality, brittle / easily cracked or punched through then i'm all set.
The foams a damn interesting idea though, for sure.
The case itself isn't all that bad they are compact but deep it's the foam. Pre ordered one since i needed a case and the price seemed reasonable but if you are like me and have a small fragile army like Dark Eldar you will have major issues with this case. Within a few minutes of testing it snapped the weapon on my Succubus. Anything with sticky out parts has problems with the design because the foam walls crush it. Vehicles on flying bases? Good luck fitting that anywhere in the case. All the slots have the zig zag foam parts as far as i can tell there isn't a tray cut out for fitting that stuff in. If you have Tanks or something you are fine it seems like GW just making something with the idea that everyone only collects Space Marines in mind. It's also no good for things like Dark Eldar vehicles anyway because of the flags and spiky bits etc. I can't figure out where any of it would go without it falling to bits.
The zig zag foam itself isn't glued down so it expands but the problem with that is a lot of models seem to just slide out from under it.
And another edit: After much experimentation i did manage to fit Raiders in it but if you like to glue your flying stands on you are screwed basically. I'm still not totally convinced that the squashing that the box does is good for all the sticky out spears and flags but it works. I had a venom with a stand glued on that i got off ebay and that has now been snapped off just from being squashed down by the foam and lid. .
Went to the local GW yesterday to check them out. I had high hopes after the promotion video. Like many people are saying, they are so much smaller than expected. The medium case especially.
If you got an army that consists of rhinos and space marines these cases are great. Transporting those models has never been an issue though. The medium case takes one flyer, if at all. Helldrake barely fits, Voidraven bomber might be real close, stormraven gunship is probably a nope. I read that it doesn't take drop pods at all.
I'm in the market for a new case but this isn't it by a long stretch. The Feldherr maxi case with 2 large trays and 1 infantry case will carry about 3 times as much stuff for pretty much the same price.
Picked up the medium case today, was shocked that my FLGS had it in stock. I'm overall very pleased with it. I play nids, so I wasn't sure how MC's would fit in this thing. Off the bat, almost nothing with the big oval base is going to fit in this thing. you can get the flyrant to fit quite well if you sacrifice a whole tray of foam. Second, you're probably going to want to experiment to find the best fit for each model, as they won't stay in place if thrown in without some care. The case itself is very sturdy and is a decent size, a little small, but not bad. The cases are great if you play at lower point levels, have lots of infantry and a few square vehicles. It struggles to store the awkwardly shaped MCs, but other than that, I'm a fan.
I saw it at my local game shop. The plastic for the case is pretty flimsy. I pressed it a bit with my thumb and it gave way very easily. Overall, really not impressed
Sining wrote: I saw it at my local game shop. The plastic for the case is pretty flimsy. I pressed it a bit with my thumb and it gave way very easily. Overall, really not impressed
Really? The plastic on my case is solid and doesn't flex a bit. Which size was the one you saw?
My opponent bought a Skirmish case and fit the following in one layer of foam.
-3x Crisis Suits
-3x Drones
-3x Stealth Suits
-35x Fire Warriors
-Cadre Fireblade
Flame-Rage wrote: After seeing one of the skirmish cases, i'm very glad I didn't buy one. They are a lot more small than I what have hoped
I bought a skirmish case. It is physically quite small but is very efficient in model-holding capacity. This is a good thing as we don't really want bulky cases of possible. It is actually quite handy... I'm disappointed the Crusade case hadn't shipped.
These are good for infantry and rhinos, that's really it. I checked them out again today and the plastic is thinner than the old style cases. I also wish the latches could be replaced if they break but of course GW prefers you just buy a new case and throw a perfectly good case with a broken latch in the trash. They really didn't fix any of the common complaints about the old style cases and added the problem of models sliding into each other. You really have to pack them in there to keep them from all sliding down to the bottom. A friend got one and stuffed a tray full of terminators, did the shake test and they were all fine. However, models like eldar infantry wouldn't fare so well.
Toofast wrote: These are good for infantry and rhinos, that's really it. I checked them out again today and the plastic is thinner than the old style cases. I also wish the latches could be replaced if they break but of course GW prefers you just buy a new case and throw a perfectly good case with a broken latch in the trash. They really didn't fix any of the common complaints about the old style cases and added the problem of models sliding into each other. You really have to pack them in there to keep them from all sliding down to the bottom. A friend got one and stuffed a tray full of terminators, did the shake test and they were all fine. However, models like eldar infantry wouldn't fare so well.
I would put the eldar minis in sideways so they put more pressure on the foam, without taking up more space. I'll actually test that in the morning. The foam seems to work well on both large and small infantry, it's just a matter of how you put the minis into the case.
Mine haven't shown up yet (I live in the middle of nowhere so deliveries aren't quick) but after reading some of the comments so far I feel some of the criticism isn't well-earned. I understand it's frustrating but from the pics and vids I felt immediately that they wouldn't be a good case for DE, honestly anything short of custom cut foam prob is bad, especially for the thin and spiky raiders/ravagers. Calling it a bad case because it won't comfortable fit your specific army hardly seems fair. I know it sucks that it won't work for your chosen faction but that doesn't mean it won't be a good case for someone else.
I feel these cases really would work well for space marines in particular. Maybe it's GW playing spess muhreens favorites again or maybe they just happen to be the easiest to transport around but whatever the reason they seem like a good fit.
As for the plastic: I tend to be super gentle with my stuff anyways so I'm not worried about breaking it. All in all I'll definitely wait for mine to show up before I give my final verdict but for now I think that even though they may not be the best case for everyone they are probably still a good case for some.
Sining wrote: I saw it at my local game shop. The plastic for the case is pretty flimsy. I pressed it a bit with my thumb and it gave way very easily. Overall, really not impressed
Really? The plastic on my case is solid and doesn't flex a bit. Which size was the one you saw?
I've taken a quick look at them in person, and if we get one, it would have to be a crusader. They do hold more than you think, but it still seems like it's more of an infantry storage case than anything else to me.
As it is, since I pretty much make the decisions on the storage stuff anyway, we might just stay with battlefoam (considering our armies).
I've received all of my cases and I gotta say I'm quite pleased. I can easily fit 50 infantry models into one layer panel and could probably fit more if needed. The models I put in were a mix of Chaos space marines with a variety of weapons and a bunch of cultists. I also had a couple banner carriers in there that I put in laying down and I don't fear to break the banners at all. I say this design is great for infantry in particular.
As for vehicles I tested out some chaos rhinos with spiky bits and havoc launchers on top. I tried out how GW did in their videos and while it held very snug, I was only able to fit 1 rhino per layer. A better way I found to transport them was to take out the top layer, flip the rhinos upside down and snug the havoc launchers and spiky bits into the zigzag pattern lines, I was able to put three rhinos comfortably like this and then I put the thin foam top protector on top and closed up. They didn't shift in transport and I felt it was probably the most economical way to transport them. The beauty of that is that I could still put infantry or weapons and stuff in the layer they sat on top of. I have a predator with a detachable turret I plan to also transport in this fashion. though I think I would only fit two preds this way due to the sponsons.
All in all I am very happy with these cases and I can see myself getting good use out of them. My next test is to try out my elder army which consists primarily of vypers and war walkers, I have a few plans on how I will load them in and I expect it should work quite well. My fist though for these cases is that they will make blob guard and ork boyz army players very happy, you can fit a TON of infantry in very little space very easily. I am still hard pressed to see how these would economically and safely carry DE raiders and especially ravagers. The case design is not perfect but it works well by my tastes and is still very competitively priced (which is a breath of fresh air coming from GW).
If anyone who can't see one in person has any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help out to the best of my ability (I don't have 1 of every army to test out).I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for reading guys.
Being a necron who uses a monolith I had been hoping that i can fit it inside one of these and be able to close the lid. the (large) case is deep enough to put the monolith in it but then you have little to no room on one side. If you put the monolith in sideways you have room to fit a tray on top of it but it will be at an angle and I'm worried that this could effect the carrying of the models in the tray. For me I am still impressed by the medium and large cases and might still buy the large one.
If anyone who can't see one in person has any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help out to the best of my ability (I don't have 1 of every army to test out).I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for reading guys.
Any chance you could get a ruler out and measure the length / width / depth of the trays?
If anyone who can't see one in person has any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help out to the best of my ability (I don't have 1 of every army to test out).I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for reading guys.
Any chance you could get a ruler out and measure the length / width / depth of the trays?
Thanks,
Quite amazingly GW have decided to use the same size footprint as KR half size trays. The insert tray is 255 x 190 x 50mm, so any 1/2 depth 1/2 width KR tray will fit in there. The larger outside wall of the bottom tray is 220 x 280. Interestingly the small GW Skirmish case holds 3 trays (3/4 depth) the GW Battle case holds 7 of them (effectively 7/8 of a standard KR Unit), and the GW battle case holds 1.5 KR Units of trays, the same as the new KRX case we have just launched.
and yes it did make us smile when we picked them up :-)
For the money I think these trays will do quite well. I went to our local shop and did a few stress tests. Basically, I stuffed a fully painted Dark Vengeance set, plus three extra bikes and a squad of chaos marines into the smallest case. Not gonna lie, that part took a bit of planning to make sure everything was sitting correctly. Once the case was full, we decided to toss it back and forth for a while. Then we dropped it -repeatedly- and then w decided to kick it. Also repeatedly.
I'm pretty impressed to say the least. The case clasps did not break (my first concern) and there wasn't so much as a scratch on the models; everything came out beautifully.
We did get one guy to fit his Dark Eldar army into the larger case. We did a unit of warriors, one of wyches, a Succubus, 10 of the jump infantry guys, 2 raiders, one ravager and one venom. Wasn't the whole army, and we still had some room left in the foam. We didn't kick this one, but we did jostle it around from the carrying handle (and there wasn't a single break. Again. Color me impressed.
Now, on the OTHER hand, we took our sweet time experimenting with the models in the foam to find the best fit. With the dark eldar, we were also able to take off a lot of the vehicle riders. I can say that DE players (and players with models that are similar) may be better off looking for another case just because of the time required to slot the models home here. If you don't use vehicle riders and if by some miracle you've made your sails detachable, these cases would probably be a great solution.
Overall, for the price, I think most armies will work well for these cases. I bought the one we kicked around and now it's holding My wife's LoTR Elves, complete with Ent, and my LoTR Gondor and Isenguard. I couldn't be happier with it!
I was hoping for the flood of old cases on the secondary market as people "upgraded" to the new ones. I've discovered that the older GW cases work really well for my FoW minis.
Sir Arun wrote: So has anybody got the case yet? Would be happy if someone posted screenshots with their stuff inside.
Just watch the GW videos they show off the skirmish and crusade cases, I think.
The cases are actually awesome ***for people with multiple 40k/WHFB armies***. It's an ideal setup for a person who may, one week, need many infantry, few tanks, and a couple gigantic models, and the next week, few infantry, many tanks, and more gigantic models. It's just extremely flexible in terms of what you can pack. Also, it's ridiculously space-efficient, which means less bulk to carry around.
On the negative side as others have stated, you must ensure it's packed in tight (though you can fill up extra space with old pluck foam or other fillers), so that models don't jostle around. Also, there are some models that it doesn't work well for, particularly, models with large extrusions like DE with whips and raiders with hangers-on-- but you know, these are inefficient models to transport for any carrying case.
If anyone who can't see one in person has any questions feel free to ask and I'll try to help out to the best of my ability (I don't have 1 of every army to test out).I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for reading guys.
Any chance you could get a ruler out and measure the length / width / depth of the trays?
Thanks,
Quite amazingly GW have decided to use the same size footprint as KR half size trays. The insert tray is 255 x 190 x 50mm, so any 1/2 depth 1/2 width KR tray will fit in there. The larger outside wall of the bottom tray is 220 x 280. Interestingly the small GW Skirmish case holds 3 trays (3/4 depth) the GW Battle case holds 7 of them (effectively 7/8 of a standard KR Unit), and the GW battle case holds 1.5 KR Units of trays, the same as the new KRX case we have just launched.
and yes it did make us smile when we picked them up :-)
Thanks for the info.
Sounds like the old 36 quid GW cases that held close to 3 trays of KR size has been replaced with a 30 quid case that holds the equivalent of 1 tray of KR size.
Wow. GW. Sounds like a bargain. :-(
And yeah, I am aware the old GW trays sucked. But the cases were pretty good. I have 10+ of the old cases which I've had for around 15 years going strong still. Although they are filled with sets of 4 GW size KR trays in most circumstances.
Sorry I logged in far too late to answer your question Gimgamgoo, had a structure fire today that ate up all of my dakka time lol. Anyways it seems that KR has answered your question, and in metric to boot
I got my Crusader case through last week. I'm really happy with it. It's really light; the handle is good; and the models don't move at all when the lid is shut. My only problem so far has been that I had to take out one layer of foam as my Land Raider is too tall.
I've got my Black Templars in two of the four stacks of foam (each stack has two foam trays in it). The land raider takes up most of one on its own, but I've taken out the top tray in that one and have put some barricades and other terrain pieces in to fill the space.
Spoiler:
I've got my Dark Eldar in the other trays. I've constantly been snapping these in the older GW trays with the infantry spaces. These new trays are much, much better for this army. The weapons don't jag into the foam any more. After playing my first game with it tonight I didn't break a single model when emptying or filling the case. Previously I've broken my DE models pretty much every time they've been taken out. Even unusually shaped models like my Talos and Reaver jetbikes are sitting comfortably in it, without any custom trays or cutting the foam.
Frozen Ocean wrote: How abrasive is the foam? How much rubbing would it take to start to damage paint?
It doesn't seem abrasive at all to me. And models don't seem to shift at all in there if packed right, even if they are in there loosely then that just means the foam is putting less pressure on them. Without using mine for a long period of time I can't say for sure but my impression atm is that I won't be having any issues with the foam rubbing my paint off.
Would you mind doing a test with a roughly painted bit of sprue or something? It'd be a big help. I see a lot of people talking about how their models can shift, and I worry that, if this happens, it could cause significant problems.
I'm probably going to get one, anyway, just taking care to "pack right", as you said. Still, it'd be nice to know.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Would you mind doing a test with a roughly painted bit of sprue or something? It'd be a big help. I see a lot of people talking about how their models can shift, and I worry that, if this happens, it could cause significant problems.
I'm probably going to get one, anyway, just taking care to "pack right", as you said. Still, it'd be nice to know.
So I took one of my older painted models this evening, a CSM if it matters, and proceeded to rub the gak out of it against the foam. The model was painted using citadel paints bought at GW and I do not have a sealer. Model was painted roughly 2-3 years ago and is plastic. After about 3 minutes of violent abrasion with lots of pressure I did not see any noticeable difference in the paint job. I feel confident that the foam won't be eating my paint jobs. Having said that if the models are not packed in tight enough they may have a chance to shift and bump each other and that could cause problems perhaps, I haven't had this issue with plastic models but I know I chipped a few of my pewter models by having them bumping into each other before. I did not test rubbing the foam against any of my pewter models as they aren't with me at the moment. I hope this has helped Frozen Ocean.
It did help, very much so. Thanks! It's a big relief, and I'll be buying a Crusade within a day or so (I'd buy it now, but my sister wishes to chip in because a birthday present - a generic camera case for model purposes, actually - she bought me last year was never delivered and she got refunded). The idea that the foam could rub off paint was my most major concern.
Sir Arun wrote: post some pics with your stuff in when you get it
Went out and did a battle this evening, was my first time packing my army in the case for legitimate transport. Also the first time I packed in my Eldar. I was a bit rushed so I'm thinking I coulda been a bit more economical with my placement but overall it worked out. Inside is:
10 Rangers
9 Windrider jetbikes, 3 of them with shuriken cannons
1 Farseer on jetbike (He was the model I was most worried about because of his spear)
6 war walkers
6 vypers
I cheated a bit because my war walkers are pinned at the hips so the cockpits come off and their weapons are magnetized. The viper weapons are magnetized as well and the turret is friction fitted. Every packed in the Battle chest (medium size case) very nicely with room to spare. This army was 1250 points but I'm thinking I'll be able to fit in my 1500 point force when I finish my striking scorpions. Everything went out and came back home with no incident, I'm very happy with it. Here are the pics.
I like it. It is so snugly 
cardboard box.
