Don't be fooled, Spiky Bits has a bad habit of attaching barely-related pictures to everything they post, especially rumors. That picture is a scratch-built piece with lots of GW terrain kitbashed together.
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Don't be fooled, Spiky Bits has a bad habit of attaching barely-related pictures to everything they post, especially rumors. That picture is a scratch-built piece with lots of GW terrain kitbashed together.
Aye, but I actually meant i terms of pricing. Not quite FoR-sized (and thank Emperor for that) but something just barely below.
Just over a foot of pipeline, made up of:
– 2 long sections
– 2 short sections
– 2 elbows
– 5 pipeline stands/section connectors
or
Depends how much you like your Grimdark I guess
I'm assuming the pipeline will have a lot of nice moulded details on it to make it a better proposition - aquilas, skulls, control panels, etc. Personally, if I felt like a pipeline would add to my terrain collection, I'd hit a local DIY store for some plumbing fittings and build something up that way.
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Don't be fooled, Spiky Bits has a bad habit of attaching barely-related pictures to everything they post, especially rumors. That picture is a scratch-built piece with lots of GW terrain kitbashed together.
Well, it is Easter Holidays, academically speaking, until next weekend I think, so it would be marginal, but one could interpret it as a holiday (or should that be hhholiday? ) if one were disposed to be generous.
JohnnyHell wrote: I despair that people have lost all craft ability and need to buy pre-40K'd pipes.
I think that's a little unfair, I haven't exactly seen people clamouring for a GW pipe kit because they're unable to make their own. People didn't ask GW to release them, they release what they want to.
JohnnyHell wrote: I despair that people have lost all craft ability and need to buy pre-40K'd pipes.
It all depends how well they're made. If they have lots of detailed control panels and iconography and small details then scratch building something similar could be quite time consuming or simply beyond the skill level of most people.
After all, there's nothing stopping you from making entire minis for yourself instead of buying 40k miniatures... except lack of ability and time
Has there been any mention of the CF character Brother Marius to go with the pipes?
I think hes supposed to be a great hero, monsterslayer as well as master of pipework.
Supplement?
Campaign special?
JohnnyHell wrote: I despair that people have lost all craft ability and need to buy pre-40K'd pipes.
It all depends how well they're made. If they have lots of detailed control panels and iconography and small details then scratch building something similar could be quite time consuming or simply beyond the skill level of most people.
After all, there's nothing stopping you from making entire minis for yourself instead of buying 40k miniatures... except lack of ability and time
Hahaha, touche. I miss the days of articles telling you how to make things from a few quid's worth of stuff from a DIY store rather than the same mag running an advert for the same for £££s.
Yeah. Most piplelines I've seen in 40k are overscaled and under detailed. Just basic pipes and couplers spraypainted black with a metal/grey drybrush, mounted on a warped board.
Blurry pictures are definitely a sign of organised marketing though. I mean e-v-e-r-y "leaked" photo is like this now but it really isn't that had to take a quick photo.
Well they're fairly reminiscent of artwork and stuff from games like Dawn of War and Space Marine. I approve. Wouldn't necessarily buy them, but they look appropriate.
Interesting, looks like GW is continuing the trend of including "Apocalypse" weapons in normal 40k. The plasma gun has a 7" blast but isn't a LoW or massive fortification. So I wonder which way tournaments are going to go with this: will it be banned because it has an "Apocalypse" weapon, or will it be allowed while LoW continue to be banned for having similar weapons?
Also, I see GW kept the idiotic cover rules for the pipes, where a unit halfway across the table can take wounds from the pipes if the pipe happens to give them a cover save. And somehow the spray of flame from a broken pipe can home in on the unit taking to cover save and magically avoid doing any damage to units in between.
Henry wrote: I remember when plasma was an ancient technology, the few remaining weapons being treasured. Now every monkey and his skull plastered tower has one.
Plasma being rare mean they can give one to every 10 th Guardsman, as opposed to every Guardsman. That's the way its always been.
Henry wrote: I remember when plasma was an ancient technology, the few remaining weapons being treasured. Now every monkey and his skull plastered tower has one.
Plasma being rare mean they can give one to every 10 th Guardsman, as opposed to every Guardsman. That's the way its always been.
I was about to say- they are rare if you consider the IoM spans a million or so planets in our galaxy.
Peregrine wrote: Interesting, looks like GW is continuing the trend of including "Apocalypse" weapons in normal 40k. The plasma gun has a 7" blast but isn't a LoW or massive fortification. So I wonder which way tournaments are going to go with this: will it be banned because it has an "Apocalypse" weapon, or will it be allowed while LoW continue to be banned for having similar weapons?
One could argue that because it isn't a strength 'D' weapon it's more acceptable. 7" blast is also something that the Death Strike Launcher have, even though that's like the only example I can honestly think of.
Peregrine wrote: Interesting, looks like GW is continuing the trend of including "Apocalypse" weapons in normal 40k. The plasma gun has a 7" blast but isn't a LoW or massive fortification. So I wonder which way tournaments are going to go with this: will it be banned because it has an "Apocalypse" weapon, or will it be allowed while LoW continue to be banned for having similar weapons?
One could argue that because it isn't a strength 'D' weapon it's more acceptable. 7" blast is also something that the Death Strike Launcher have, even though that's like the only example I can honestly think of.
While true i think its just more the same offensive Ramping that is making the game less enjoyable to play (getting alpha striked suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks) (by alpha strike i mean placeing models on the table and then removing them not even a turn in and not getting to use them at all kinda thing.
Man that Plasma Obliterator really didn't deliver in looks... Kinda sad about that. Was hoping for something with more cooling pipes, a different nose, and a not-so-church-like base.. Ah well!
The pipes look great, and for any terrain builder, probably a godsend in detail. Put all the terrain pieces together from GW and you can really have a flavorful and interesting map.
The plasma thing looks neat, but not worth $83. The pipes are a waste of $$. For $37 I could go to Home Depot and get enough pvc to cover the table spend 10 minutes going through the bitz box and boom. Home Depot is really an under developed gaming resource, more gamers should just spend a few minutes walking around there
You would think that, for that many points, and being a structure purpose built to house and fire the thing, that the plasma weapon wouldn't have the Gets Hot! rule. The Stormblade's gun doesn't have it, and it's even more powerful.
Always what I wanted to have, a 200+pt fortification with a big gun that will, invariably, fail to fire the first time I use it.
I normally really like GW terrain, but the plasma obliterator just looks... dumb. And there are better (to say nothing of cheaper!) looking pipes terrain on the market.
Swing and a miss for me. I hope the new rumored Fantasy terrain coming is more well thought out.
Peregrine wrote: Interesting, looks like GW is continuing the trend of including "Apocalypse" weapons in normal 40k. The plasma gun has a 7" blast but isn't a LoW or massive fortification. So I wonder which way tournaments are going to go with this: will it be banned because it has an "Apocalypse" weapon, or will it be allowed while LoW continue to be banned for having similar weapons?
Also, I see GW kept the idiotic cover rules for the pipes, where a unit halfway across the table can take wounds from the pipes if the pipe happens to give them a cover save. And somehow the spray of flame from a broken pipe can home in on the unit taking to cover save and magically avoid doing any damage to units in between.
a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.
Personally I really like the look and customization of the promethium pipes and the fact it provides great low lying cover. It should also fit well into the void shield building they are rereleasing in plastic (not polystone) soon.
Tannhauser42 wrote: You would think that, for that many points, and being a structure purpose built to house and fire the thing, that the plasma weapon wouldn't have the Gets Hot! rule. The Stormblade's gun doesn't have it, and it's even more powerful.
Always what I wanted to have, a 200+pt fortification with a big gun that will, invariably, fail to fire the first time I use it.
GW seems to have adopted since 6th the notion that all non-Tau plasma should get hot, fluff be damned. The original idea was the Imperium sucks at miniaturization: to make a stable plasma weapon, it needs to be huge to house all the cooling and such. In BFG, there's an entire popular class of cruisers armed with plasma weapons used to hunt escorts due to better range and accuracy (mostly a fluff distinction, generic "weapon batteries" don't specify munition type, in the Tyrant Class's case, it had fewer, longer range batteries, plasma being the explanation), and the Leman Russ Executioner didn't used to get hot because the tank's power plant could stabilize the main gun, which itself was an exceptionally advanced incarnation of plasma weapons, only produced on Ryza.
Then GW said "feth it" and slapped "Gets Hot!" on everything, but perhaps most amusingly, FW refuses that idea, as well as no small number of other GW ideas (in their publications, LR Executioners don't get hot, Hydras still ignore jinks even after the IG book got "updated").
This big gun looks to be another example. Why build a huge fixed fortification if it can't reliably cool itself? The whole advantage behind fortifications in reality is you can build bigger, stronger, more obscene weapons as space, in most cases, is no object unlike on a mobile platform, and giant bunkers tend to be difficult to destroy. Especially when inside a mountain or piece of natural terrain.
That being said, I still don't like the GW line of Imperial fortifications, and I play gods-damned Death Korps - they're over-gothic, moreso than they have any right being. Most of these, in theory, are planetary defenses built by the local PDF or airdropped by the Imperial Guard as part of ongoing campaigns on contested regions at some point in time. The Departmento Munitorm likes to build cheap and reliably, not with giant golden symbols on every surface covered in spikes, scrollwork and the like. Hell, the gods-damned trenches have giant sculpted books and aquilas on them! They break with the established aesthetic (by FW, the video games and the art) in favour of super-bling which feels cartoonish when applied to such mundane things. Most of their fortification range only make sense as part of the inherent defenses of some wealthy governor's palace, on a Shrine World or some other place where form supercedes function, not as part of commonplace frontline defenses.
In other words, I want FW to handle the terrain. If they didn't charge a bajillion more dollars than GW for them, they'd outsell these things easily. Lord knows whenever one of their trenchlines pops up on eBay it sells for serious cash.
Tannhauser42 wrote: You would think that, for that many points, and being a structure purpose built to house and fire the thing, that the plasma weapon wouldn't have the Gets Hot! rule. The Stormblade's gun doesn't have it, and it's even more powerful.
Do you think the person who wrote these rules either knows and/or cares about that?
Tannhauser42 wrote: You would think that, for that many points, and being a structure purpose built to house and fire the thing, that the plasma weapon wouldn't have the Gets Hot! rule. The Stormblade's gun doesn't have it, and it's even more powerful.
Always what I wanted to have, a 200+pt fortification with a big gun that will, invariably, fail to fire the first time I use it.
GW seems to have adopted since 6th the notion that all non-Tau plasma should get hot, fluff be damned. The original idea was the Imperium sucks at miniaturization: to make a stable plasma weapon, it needs to be huge to house all the cooling and such. In BFG, there's an entire popular class of cruisers armed with plasma weapons used to hunt escorts due to better range and accuracy (mostly a fluff distinction, generic "weapon batteries" don't specify munition type, in the Tyrant Class's case, it had fewer, longer range batteries, plasma being the explanation), and the Leman Russ Executioner didn't used to get hot because the tank's power plant could stabilize the main gun, which itself was an exceptionally advanced incarnation of plasma weapons, only produced on Ryza.
Then GW said "feth it" and slapped "Gets Hot!" on everything, but perhaps most amusingly, FW refuses that idea, as well as no small number of other GW ideas (in their publications, LR Executioners don't get hot, Hydras still ignore jinks even after the IG book got "updated").
This big gun looks to be another example. Why build a huge fixed fortification if it can't reliably cool itself? The whole advantage behind fortifications in reality is you can build bigger, stronger, more obscene weapons as space, in most cases, is no object unlike on a mobile platform, and giant bunkers tend to be difficult to destroy. Especially when inside a mountain or piece of natural terrain.
That being said, I still don't like the GW line of Imperial fortifications, and I play gods-damned Death Korps - they're over-gothic, moreso than they have any right being. Most of these, in theory, are planetary defenses built by the local PDF or airdropped by the Imperial Guard as part of ongoing campaigns on contested regions at some point in time. The Departmento Munitorm likes to build cheap and reliably, not with giant golden symbols on every surface covered in spikes, scrollwork and the like. Hell, the gods-damned trenches have giant sculpted books and aquilas on them! They break with the established aesthetic (by FW, the video games and the art) in favour of super-bling which feels cartoonish when applied to such mundane things. Most of their fortification range only make sense as part of the inherent defenses of some wealthy governor's palace, on a Shrine World or some other place where form supercedes function, not as part of commonplace frontline defenses.
In other words, I want FW to handle the terrain. If they didn't charge a bajillion more dollars than GW for them, they'd outsell these things easily. Lord knows whenever one of their trenchlines pops up on eBay it sells for serious cash.
Yeah man this is how I feel so much so that I spent way more than I probably should have on oop Forgeworld scenary, I love the old defence line network you cant beat the simplicity. I am still considering purchasing the GW stuff but I will have to convert the hell out of it and I have to many projects on the go right now.
I think the tower could be fixed by removing the iconorgraphy so it is a lot more bare bones.. hopefully the kit will facilitate this, also making the turret on top more tank like with a hatch and maybe a balcony so men can climb down for maintainance and gameplay purposes (I suppose ). It could make an interesting AA tower also with a Hydra turret sat up top.
flukezor wrote: I really like the idea of making flamers Heavy Torrents if in range of the pipes. I think thats really cool and a nice buff to infantry flamers.
Then silly things like those grotesks that shoot blood suddenly gets a range boost too it.
or the cald assassin some how boosting her neuro disruptor from a distance
flukezor wrote: I really like the idea of making flamers Heavy Torrents if in range of the pipes. I think thats really cool and a nice buff to infantry flamers.
Then silly things like those grotesks that shoot blood suddenly gets a range boost too it.
or the cald assassin some how boosting her neuro disruptor from a distance
The rules look to just boost flamers, as defined in the rulebook. That’s a pretty short list.
flukezor wrote: I really like the idea of making flamers Heavy Torrents if in range of the pipes. I think thats really cool and a nice buff to infantry flamers.
Then silly things like those grotesks that shoot blood suddenly gets a range boost too it.
or the cald assassin some how boosting her neuro disruptor from a distance
The rules look to just boost flamers, as defined in the rulebook. That’s a pretty short list.
Woops i though it was based off it just being template for some reason.. Disregard my post
It doesn't make sense though - why would flamers being used near a fuel pipeline work better? Surely if there was any interaction with the pipeline it'd result in an enormous explosion?
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah, but they weren't really "general release".
Hell those things didn't even really make it out into the wild.
I've been told these aren't "general release" either. We're not being limited to a specific number, (like the void shield debacle, where there was only 1000 for the entire world) but once they're gone, they're gone.
The pipes will be stocked like the rest of the terrain.
Herzlos wrote: It doesn't make sense though - why would flamers being used near a fuel pipeline work better? Surely if there was any interaction with the pipeline it'd result in an enormous explosion?
For the same reason that a unit on the other side of the table can be wounded after taking a cover save from it... Because they didn't think the rules through before hitting 'print'...
Herzlos wrote: It doesn't make sense though - why would flamers being used near a fuel pipeline work better? Surely if there was any interaction with the pipeline it'd result in an enormous explosion?
For the same reason that a unit on the other side of the table can be wounded after taking a cover save from it... Because they didn't think the rules through before hitting 'print'...
A “within 6 inches” would not be out of place for that explosion rule. You know RAI was for people to be cowering behind the pipes, but RAW if it obscures you anywhere...
The void shield was polystone not resin. Probably the best material to make minatures out of for quality if weight wasn't a problem. Rumours are it's being rerelease in plastic.
Personally the best kit Gw ever made for terraib was the cities of death kits because they allowed for so many varients and unique ways to build them. I don't particular care for the static terrain kits they are releasing right now even if they do make a nice fortified terrain set.
Hmm, using my leftover Manufactorium bits from Cities of Death and some plain PVC pipe, I could make a very nice counts-as Promethium Pipes of the 'official' size, that would still look GrimDark(TM) enough to appease purists.
Clang wrote: Hmm, using my leftover Manufactorium bits from Cities of Death and some plain PVC pipe, I could make a very nice counts-as Promethium Pipes of the 'official' size, that would still look GrimDark(TM) enough to appease purists.
At NZD$75, there's no way I'd buy the kit :(
about 10 bucks or so from your local hardware store....
Kilkrazy wrote: I think the Gets Hot rule was put in for the fun of rolling D3 randomly allocated wounds to units inside the building.
I'm still amazed that GW insists on making rules for random wound allocation. It's like they think the old system was so unforgivably bad, that they repent by plastering random wound allocation on every chance they get.
Thairne wrote: You link the flamer not to your tank, but to the pipe. Larger pressure and more fuel in reserve leads to a higher output, but reduces your mobility.
So in the dark reaches of the far future, fuel pipelines have pressure controlled outlets every couple of feet for people to tap into at random? No wonder the Imperium is doomed.
No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
Thairne wrote: You link the flamer not to your tank, but to the pipe. Larger pressure and more fuel in reserve leads to a higher output, but reduces your mobility.
So in the dark reaches of the far future, fuel pipelines have pressure controlled outlets every couple of feet for people to tap into at random? No wonder the Imperium is doomed.
People just use self-tapping junctions. And when they are done, just patch the hole with a little bubblegum a/o duct tape. It does explain the hellish wasteland of most imperial worlds.
Why new? GW gaming systems were always random. Throwing plenty of dice for no reason is fun in itself, after all.
This new Big Cannon is just an oversized plasma gun glued on top of a 40k building (meaning it has skulls everywhere so that no one would actually be going inside). I really feel like they just enlarge a Space Marine plasma gun, put it right on and that's it.
About rules...well, that's GW. What did you expect? Something clever and balanced? Wrong game, sorry.
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
I play Grey Knights, and co-own (with my wife) a Sisters of Battle Army. For 40pts, a piece of terrain like that with rules that significantly bulk out anti-horde potency can be wonderful.
Fortifications with rules are part of the FoC, I wish more people would use them, and not just Aegis lines. They're a part of list-building which can really matter if your local meta allows, so I am all for options and diversity.
gungo wrote: a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.
Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.
gungo wrote: a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.
Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.
In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. I only played Orks and IG but there was several units that didn't use a blast and I had to use the measuring tape to see which models were in range. I'm sure if people wanted to argue with you they could list several more. Just because the template didn't exist or a model wasn't created yet doesn't mean it wasn't a blast. The death strike originally didn't have a model, I believe forgeworld did however I didn't own it then but I am quite certain the unit entry was in my 3rd edition 2nd release codex before the model was released. Sorry you are wrong.
gungo wrote: a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.
Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.
In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. Sorry you are wrong.
I noticed you completely ignored admitting you were wrong about the deathstrike. As for the pulsa rokkit, it went from 2nd edition to the apoc 4th edition book with nothing in between to my knowledge so there wasn't a 3rd edition 7" template from that either in normal 40k. It wasn't in the get you by rules in the 3e rulebook, the ork codex, or the speedfreak one for sure and I don't recall it being in any of the chapter approved stuff as well. Next lie/fallacy?
And now you've edited your post to include stuff about the deathstrike. I've already covered that above. You want to like the plasma fort? I have no problem with that and you're completely free to like it and use it at your leisure. Just don't flat out make up crap about that sort of stuff existing in previous editions like 3rd just to try and shut up folks who don't like the force feeding of apocalypse into 1500pt games by GW.
This seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for a while. Why did Games Workshop make the Shield Generator kit extremely limited? Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?
Quarterdime wrote: This seems like as good a place as any to ask a question I've had for a while. Why did Games Workshop make the Shield Generator kit extremely limited? Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?
Greed, lack of risk, looks good on paper. It's easy to brag about something selling out in minutes worldwide and has a fixed cost that doesn't result in another Dreadfleet debacle where they end up recalling and/or destroying product. The flip side on that is that they obviously lost out on profit as well due to lost sales.
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
We use the Stronghold Assault and terrain dataslates extensively. Of course, this may have to do with our group being terrain junkies.
Skyshield, Wall of Martyrs, ADL, Firestorm, Aquila, Cities of Death, et cetera. It just adds so much to the game. To us, terrain is more important than titans.
I never lied warhammer 40k has always had blasts larger then 5in. You said before there was no blasts larger then 5in until apoc in 4edition. That was a flat out lie.
I clearly answered your question of when there was a blast weapon larger before that. The pulse rokkit. Just because you are trying to argue the fact that the interim 3rd edition book may or may not have had no blasts larger then 5in is not what I was stating. Warhammer has had blasts larger then 5in since 2nd edition. But if you are still anal and trying to argue I am quite sure I can find a blast weapon with a diameter larger then 5 not only in 2nd edition but from one of the many chapter approved books or white dwarfs I have stacked in my basement from 3rd-4th edition.
I won't buy them cause I'm not really into imperial terrain but I quite like what I can see of the pipes. Yeah, PVC and your bits box is cheaper, but it's gonna look like PVC with 40k bits glued to it. This actually looks like it belongs in the setting.
gungo wrote: a str 7 ap2 single shot weapon with a 7in blast has never been an apoc only unit. We have had a bigger blast and 7in templates have been in the game since 3rd edition, hello death strike missle. This isn't even a massive fortification or av 15 building. This is not an apoc only weapon and I doubt any tournament will worry about it since it's horribly overpriced. Personally if I had to chose this building and an executioner leman Russ tank. I'd take the tank it's cheaper mobile and has a bigger plasma blast foot print.
Please state EXACTLY what unit in normal 40k in 3rd edition used the 7in template that was yet to exist physically for several years in the future at that point. There was no "hello deathstrike missle" in normal 40k until the 5th edition IG codex introduced it to most players with a plastic kit and I can't recall any other unit having a template bigger than 5" diameter until apoc 1st ed introduced the rules for that in late 4th edition along with the template. Even forgeworld big resin kits used multiple 5" templates via the multiple barrage rules to simulate the in game effect of really big guns in the game. Please don't make up stuff just to strengthen your own opinion.
In 2nd and into 3rd edition my Orks used the pulse rokkit. I still have the model it was a 2d6 blast. Sorry you are wrong.
I noticed you completely ignored admitting you were wrong about the deathstrike. As for the pulsa rokkit, it went from 2nd edition to the apoc 4th edition book with nothing in between to my knowledge so there wasn't a 3rd edition 7" template from that either in normal 40k. It wasn't in the get you by rules in the 3e rulebook, the ork codex, or the speedfreak one for sure and I don't recall it being in any of the chapter approved stuff as well. Next lie/fallacy?
And now you've edited your post to include stuff about the deathstrike. I've already covered that above. You want to like the plasma fort? I have no problem with that and you're completely free to like it and use it at your leisure. Just don't flat out make up crap about that sort of stuff existing in previous editions like 3rd just to try and shut up folks who don't like the force feeding of apocalypse into 1500pt games by GW.
you are already wrong there was blasts larger then. 5in in second edition. The interim 3rd book may or may not have had a blast larger then 5in but it wasn't long after they were reintroduced. I don't even like the plasma building rules however you are completely wrong saying these blasts weapons only existed in apoc. That is a lie.
Whatever, Gungo. You've resorted to trying to crowdsource a possible greater than 5" template in 3rd edition (which is the edition that YOU referenced in your original post that I responded to) that YOU yourself are not aware of after having both of your "hello deathstrike missle" and pulse rokkit examples proven wrong in the edition YOU chose to use. If there is an example that YOU are NOT aware of posted at some point in the future from 3rd edition to "prove" your point despite you being clueless about it, it doesn't make your snarky original post any more correct. The edition YOU chose to reference (3rd) was a hard reboot that got rid of alot of the craziness and things like 7in blasts simply didn't exist to my knowledge until Apoc reintroduced them in late 4th in apoc games. You have yet to prove me wrong for the edition YOU chose to reference and that I responded about. In any case, your inability to admit you're wrong and trying to move the goalposts back to 2nd edition when your sarcastic "point" was completely false about 3rd is off topic. You can feel free to repond but you're ignored.
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
We use the Stronghold Assault and terrain dataslates extensively. Of course, this may have to do with our group being terrain junkies.
Skyshield, Wall of Martyrs, ADL, Firestorm, Aquila, Cities of Death, et cetera. It just adds so much to the game. To us, terrain is more important than titans.
I envy you. Do you have pics of your groups tables?
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
I can't even begin to imagine why people would buy something like the pipes, at least at that price.
I do see more people gradually using terrain in their lists, but there is still a lot of opposition to it.
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
I follow this approach as well. I pre-ordered the pipes and Plasma Obliterator purely to add to my growing urban table. The Imperial Terrain bashes together really well, and these new additions are going to help add more character to my Imperial city.
majorhavok wrote: No one brings/uses fortifications and we never play with terrain data slates. My groups is interested in terrain pieces like this just for the table look. Do a lot of folks fit this approach? Or do most folks only buy something like the pipes if they plan on actually using them as designed?
I can't even begin to imagine why people would buy something like the pipes, at least at that price.
I do see more people gradually using terrain in their lists, but there is still a lot of opposition to it.
A lot of opposition? I doubt that very much.
Selective opposition, sure... but I don't know of a single community that has outright outlawed things like the Aegis Defense Line. It, Bastions, and a few others are very valid parts of many armies all the way through the competitive tournament scene.
As for the new Promethium Relay... I just bought one and think it looks terrific. "Time" has value too, and while I could make this by going to Home Depot, and figuring out how to make it all happen, it would take hours of my time, and yield results that are probably less impressive.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Selective opposition, sure... but I don't know of a single community that has outright outlawed things like the Aegis Defense Line.
Where did I mention communities outlawing anything?
The 'opposition' I was talking about was simply the fact that a lot of players don't like buildings being a part of an army. The ADL is largely accepted, and the Bastion to some degree (although I've seen far more of the former than the latter) but the other fortifications seem to cause grumbles from a lot of players.
That's just a personal perception, though. Your mileage may vary, obviously.
At first I saw its normal plasma strength and AP and I was sad.... then I saw the massive blast and I was happy.
Its taller then I thought. It must be at least nearly as tall as a KNight.
You would think being inside a bunker it would have more advanced or extensive cooling systems. the overly liberal spray of "Gets Hot" is getting annoying.
And...the Plasma Obliterator is sold out in the US. I didn't want that one anyway but pre-ordered the pipes right away. Looks like they are pulling the same thing they did with the void shield generator.
This bundle contains one Plasma Obliterator and one Aquila Strongpoint - eighty-eight components that fit together to create one awesome piece of scenery. Included are rules for deploying the Plasma Obliterator Aquila Strongpoint in games of Warhammer 40,000.
Maybe it's just the differing paint jobs, but it really just looks like "Hey, you can set it on top of things! It's a bundle!". It may as well just be sitting on top of the Skyshield or something.
Quarterdime wrote: Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?
Preporders poped up before the WD was even available to most so not really.
No, they really 'd that one up. I was standing in a GW with the manager at the time, and he was getting ready to order a void shield generator (He'd gotten permission from the wife to order two) for himself. The order point refreshed to show the pre-orders of the day, and they were sold out before he could even attempt to order one.
Complete BS. He called Customer service to make sure it wasn't a website error, and they were all gone. It wasn't even like they sold out in the UK before anybody else could get one. All the independent retailers had picked up all the available stock before you could order one on the website.
So for the next week, the white dwarf and the order point sat there going "Hey, look at this awesome thingy that you can't buy!".
Quarterdime wrote: Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?
Preporders poped up before the WD was even available to most so not really.
No, they really 'd that one up. I was standing in a GW with the manager at the time, and he was getting ready to order a void shield generator (He'd gotten permission from the wife to order two) for himself. The order point refreshed to show the pre-orders of the day, and they were sold out before he could even attempt to order one.
Complete BS. He called Customer service to make sure it wasn't a website error, and they were all gone. It wasn't even like they sold out in the UK before anybody else could get one. All the independent retailers had picked up all the available stock before you could order one on the website.
So for the next week, the white dwarf and the order point sat there going "Hey, look at this awesome thingy that you can't buy!".
TROLOLO.
Remember that one time Spacehulk was released? (not the last time but the one before that)...
yeah GW didnt. Exact same thing happend and Space hulk stuff was stupid expensive for trades
Both the web bundle and the Plasma Obliterator separate piece are sold out on the Canadian GW website. Never underestimate the power of stupid especially if it has money.
WayneTheGame wrote: The sheer stupidity of having an advert in a magazine for something that sells out before the magazine is even available is absolutely mind boggling.
Just check your local stores. They will get an allocation (so preorder it there if you want one). The GW store will get more than it will sell, probably, if you want to pay full MSRP.
WayneTheGame wrote: The sheer stupidity of having an advert in a magazine for something that sells out before the magazine is even available is absolutely mind boggling.
Just check your local stores. They will get an allocation (so preorder it there if you want one). The GW store will get more than it will sell, probably, if you want to pay full MSRP.
Beats paying double on eBay.
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WayneTheGame wrote: The sheer stupidity of having an advert in a magazine for something that sells out before the magazine is even available is absolutely mind boggling.
And the weird thing is - White Dwarf is losing them money. Go figure, no?
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Mavnas wrote: OK, so there's no way for me to get one from the UK or Aussie site, but get it shipped to the US, is there?
You can order through GW from any country you like... GW's rules on selling across regional boundaries only apply to independant stockists, not to themselves.
They'll ship it by registered international courier, though, which will require you to sell one of your kidneys to pay for.
That's good to know... Yeah, ordering from the UK is 83 pounds with shipping (which is still cheaper than that one that sucker bought on eBay). I think the real question is do I wait and see if local stores to get one or buy one off the UK site.
Now picture this thing in the hands of an inquisitor with a psyocculum. Or St. Celestine and a dominion squad (for a BS7, ignores cover massive blast).
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Don't be fooled, Spiky Bits has a bad habit of attaching barely-related pictures to everything they post, especially rumors. That picture is a scratch-built piece with lots of GW terrain kitbashed together.
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Don't be fooled, Spiky Bits has a bad habit of attaching barely-related pictures to everything they post, especially rumors. That picture is a scratch-built piece with lots of GW terrain kitbashed together.
except its not...
He was talking about the picture at the top of the article on the Spikey Bits page. At the time this thread was started, there were no pictures available of either of the new terrain pieces.
I honestly can't fathom the thought process of going out of your way to create such a kit, only to make it a super short available release, with no prior warning to it being an "exclu$ive limited relea$e". Like, what did it cost to make a master sculpt and do they even profit from that? I'm kindda' bummed out though because I actually would've wanted that bundle. :/
Zewrath wrote: I honestly can't fathom the thought process of going out of your way to create such a kit, only to make it a super short available release, with no prior warning to it being an "exclu$ive limited relea$e". Like, what did it cost to make a master sculpt and do they even profit from that? I'm kindda' bummed out though because I actually would've wanted that bundle. :/
If it's not specifically stated to be a limited release they do have the option of producing more (whether they'll take it who knows, they certainly have with a few things, but not too often)
and as to giving no prior warning of it being 'limited'? they'd only need to do that if they were worried it would not sell out
I'm actually curious as to whether the Aquila Strongpoint will be repackaged to include this, since it apparently is becoming an option for the Aquila Strongpoint.
And the Aussie site doesn't seem to accept foreign addresses, but if I'd like I could travel 11.5k km (would that be 11.5 MegaMeters?) to the nearest GW store in Australia and get one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess I'll see if any local stores got one, and if not just suck it up and get price gouged by people on eBay too.
I am utterly baffled by the idea of limited edition terrain pieces. It makes no sense to me. I may have not wanted the plasma obliterater as badly as the void shield generator, but evidently GW does not want all of my money.
Dicrel Seijin wrote: I am utterly baffled by the idea of limited edition terrain pieces. It makes no sense to me. I may have not wanted the plasma obliterater as badly as the void shield generator, but evidently GW does not want all of my money.
It's astounding how much of our money GW does not want.
Limited edition models that could easily be recast from the molds.
Store Birthday only stuff that you can't buy at all unless you are at a GW Store on their anniversary.
Forgeworld models, mugs, shirts, and bags that are only available at FW events.
Bugman's Bar only items.
I get having little freebies that you can only get by going somewhere or trading for them (or by paying exorbitant prices on eBay) (Disney pins and the like). It's utterly extraneous, with a minimal expense for the company.
I just don't get a company whose WHOLE BUSINESS MODEL is selling you stuff making stuff that they refuse to sell to you. They spend money designing and producing these molds, and advertising them in their mag, and then refuse to selll any more of them. They'd rather sell it to someone else, then let them make more money reselling it to you.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I get the limited edition Void Shield generator. It was polystone, and I doubt GW made it themselves (designed, yes, manufactured, no).
But this is a plastic kit that they've made. Why would you make an expensive mould and not keep selling it?
Because then it really wouldn't be worth that $83?
I don't know, I realize that's a terrible reason but it's about the only one I can come up with.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I get the limited edition Void Shield generator. It was polystone, and I doubt GW made it themselves (designed, yes, manufactured, no).
But this is a plastic kit that they've made. Why would you make an expensive mould and not keep selling it?
Is it? I'm going to guess it's that strange sprueless plastic that the Wall of Martyrs stuff comes in, and comes from China.
The second wave did not (Aquila Strongpoint, Firestorm Redoubt & Vengeance Weapon Battery). The parts came in plastic bags. They have been cast on sprues as normal, but the sprues are propably too large and deep to fit in boxes, so parts come pre-cut instead.
I did not like Plasma Obliterator initially, but thought of buying one to see if it grew on me later. It sold out while I visited FLGS to pick up some Skitarii
Hit up my FLGS owner on FB, here is what he wrote:
If you wanted one just ask. We're getting them next week. These aren't limited edition and will be available for a while.
The context of the asking of course being him setting a box aside when his shop's order comes so I can buy it. However, now I'm legitimately excited and confused at the same time.
Stormwall wrote: Hit up my FLGS owner on FB, here is what he wrote:
If you wanted one just ask. We're getting them next week. These aren't limited edition and will be available for a while.
The context of the asking of course being him setting a box aside when his shop's order comes so I can buy it. However, now I'm legitimately excited and confused at the same time.
Perhaps his GW Rep fed him FineInformation and that they really are limited edition in stores? I don't know, we will have to wait and see.
As for the actual terrain kits the Uber Plasma Gun tower is stupidly overpriced and a little too covered in bling for my tastes. The Spikey Skull Pipes are also overpriced but I am probably going to buy them anyway because I am a sucker for Imperial terrain kits. Yes, I do realize those two sentences are contradictory.
Quarterdime wrote: Also, was there any warning for that? And any other related details that I missed on this subject matter?
Preporders poped up before the WD was even available to most so not really.
No, they really 'd that one up. I was standing in a GW with the manager at the time, and he was getting ready to order a void shield generator (He'd gotten permission from the wife to order two) for himself. The order point refreshed to show the pre-orders of the day, and they were sold out before he could even attempt to order one.
Complete BS. He called Customer service to make sure it wasn't a website error, and they were all gone. It wasn't even like they sold out in the UK before anybody else could get one. All the independent retailers had picked up all the available stock before you could order one on the website.
So for the next week, the white dwarf and the order point sat there going "Hey, look at this awesome thingy that you can't buy!".
TROLOLO.
Remember that one time Spacehulk was released? (not the last time but the one before that)...
yeah GW didnt. Exact same thing happend and Space hulk stuff was stupid expensive for trades
Yeah, I wasn't in the hobby then. You'd think they would have changed things after 2009 space hulk happened. Idiots.
WayneTheGame wrote: The sheer stupidity of having an advert in a magazine for something that sells out before the magazine is even available is absolutely mind boggling.
Yeah, I still don't understand why they didn't bother to use the two weeks around christmas to "catch up" with the white dwarf and increase sales. Just one week ahead of time would change things dramatically.
The only warning I got for it being a limited release was word of mouth.
Wow, no Australia hate for once in the existence of the universe. Perhaps signs of the Apocalypse!!
It is back in stock in Canada, too.
It does read: "Available while stocks last, this is one of the most striking scenery models we’ve ever produced." Not that it means anything. I guess it doesn't necessarily imply that stocks won't be replenished at some point... lol. Though I suppose it could go direct-only, like the Shrine of the Aquilla.
Stormwall wrote: Hit up my FLGS owner on FB, here is what he wrote:
If you wanted one just ask. We're getting them next week. These aren't limited edition and will be available for a while.
The context of the asking of course being him setting a box aside when his shop's order comes so I can buy it. However, now I'm legitimately excited and confused at the same time.
Perhaps his GW Rep fed him FineInformation and that they really are limited edition in stores? I don't know, we will have to wait and see.
As for the actual terrain kits the Uber Plasma Gun tower is stupidly overpriced and a little too covered in bling for my tastes. The Spikey Skull Pipes are also overpriced but I am probably going to buy them anyway because I am a sucker for Imperial terrain kits. Yes, I do realize those two sentences are contradictory.
reds8n wrote: Plasma oblit. is reading as back in stock in both the UK and USA...
Hm. I don't know what to make of this now. I thought for a minute it wouldn't be LE but, it appears that is the way it is shifting.
Aside from the side mosaics though, it shouldn't be a hard piece to make out of plasticard and GS. I mean the cannon on it looks like a cheapo gas station lighter.
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I ordered two of these cannons via my shopkeeper, through his amazing GW rep. (I know you won't hear that on dakka often but, this guy has basically given 2 replacement Baneblades away to one of our local players due to excessive warping.)
Anyways. I have a question. Would an item like this be numbered, kinda like the FW limited stuff?
You know, Games Workshop should at least make an exception for some of its terrain kits and just price them below their current value to promote the brand. If there's one thing I haven't seen much of whatsoever, it's actual complete gaming tables. If you've been to a gaming club with a gaming table that is actually detailed, painted, intricate, and done well, count yourself lucky. There are few places on earth where such achievements can be enjoyed. I can certainly say that there's no place around where I live that has one, which is sad considering that realm of battle board was from what I can tell GW's attempt at trying to do that. Then again, this is just the same old story. If they wanted to promote the brand there are better places to start than terrain, and those sorts of places have already been discussed and agreed upon several times
Stormwall wrote: Anyways. I have a question. Would an item like this be numbered, kinda like the FW limited stuff?
Nah it's a "while stocks last" item, the only things that are numbered tend to be the limited/collectors books, which make a big deal about being numbered.
That's the bizarre thing with GW's LE nature, they aren't actually very collectible (there's no idea of volume, do you have 1 of 100, or 1 of 10,000?), and aren't guaranteed to not be re-released later.
Adding to the other reports: The Plasma Tower of Death is available again in the german GW webstore. Putting it into the cart works, although I haven't tried to check out yet
Mavnas wrote: If they're restricted to your side of the table and not mobile... OK?
Well, if you put it along your deployment edge, plus add the two inches away a model can be from it and still use the bonus, the 12" the torrent adds, and the length of the template, you should reasonably be able to hit things anywhere but your opponents deployment.
Not saying it is amazing or anything, but 15 Burnas behind one can be fun!
Well. The good news is my FLGS did manage to order me two earlier. I think I have to wait until Monday to pick them up though. I can't wait. Do you guys want an unboxing video, or is that salt in the wound?
And yeah Gragga, I missed the first round due to that. :/
I really can't see the appeal of either of these sets of terrain, but if you're that depressed about not getting one, Au still has some in stock and I'm happy to forward them if you guys can think of a way that you'd be comfortable with me sending it and obviously front for the postage (I'll provide receipts and video of me wrapping and posting it to you if you'd like). PM me if that's something you're after,
ONI
I really can't see the appeal of either of these sets of terrain, but if you're that depressed about not getting one, Au still has some in stock and I'm happy to forward them if you guys can think of a way that you'd be comfortable with me sending it and obviously front for the postage (I'll provide receipts and video of me wrapping and posting it to you if you'd like). PM me if that's something you're after,
ONI
What?? You're not super sad about not getting to spend 50$ on some pipes?
I really can't see the appeal of either of these sets of terrain, but if you're that depressed about not getting one, Au still has some in stock and I'm happy to forward them if you guys can think of a way that you'd be comfortable with me sending it and obviously front for the postage (I'll provide receipts and video of me wrapping and posting it to you if you'd like). PM me if that's something you're after,
ONI
What?? You're not super sad about not getting to spend 50$ on some pipes?
If its any redemption in your eyes, I console myself by looking at lots of other things I'm super sad I don't get to spend $50 on
Thanks, Floyd, GW's pics were a bit unclear on how many of each bit was in the Promethium Pipes box. And given that GW pics show those 'end cap' bits are around 25mm, your pics will help a lot with scratch-building a counts-as equivalent
TBH the quality on both kits is a little low. Compare these to the Imperial Knight kit for example and they are worlds apart. Even hard to imagine they are from the same company.
Floyd73 wrote: TBH the quality on both kits is a little low. Compare these to the Imperial Knight kit for example and they are worlds apart. Even hard to imagine they are from the same company.
They're pipes and a gun battery mate, not meant to be the Mona Lisa lol.
On the plus side, those pipes are apparently compatible with the Manufactorum kits.
Floyd73 wrote: TBH the quality on both kits is a little low. Compare these to the Imperial Knight kit for example and they are worlds apart. Even hard to imagine they are from the same company.
They're pipes and a gun battery mate, not meant to be the Mona Lisa lol.
On the plus side, those pipes are apparently compatible with the Manufactorum kits.
I am thinking a basilisk cannon would look pretty sweet in place of the plasma gun. When my copy arrives I may have to see how difficult that conversion will be.
Floyd73 wrote: TBH the quality on both kits is a little low. Compare these to the Imperial Knight kit for example and they are worlds apart. Even hard to imagine they are from the same company.
They're pipes and a gun battery mate, not meant to be the Mona Lisa lol.
Yeah I know I know, but the shrine of the aquila was "just a few walls" but you can tell the crisp detail and perfect fitting parts mean its from the normal GW factory. These are certainly not from there.
Wait, it's gone? Like not even mentioned on the website at all?? I'd hate to be someone who buys the White Dwarf a few days late, sees that kit, and goes on GW's website only to find it doesn't exist!
The joining surfaces are very poor. The pieces don't support each other during assembly. I'm struggling on this thing and pretty much at the "just get it done, whatever" stage.
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Here's my poorly built Obliterator:
A Firestorm Redoubt, Marine, Terminator, Thunderwolf and Venom for scale:
Glad I got two. I was going to cut the center section out, and make it more like a bastion. (Keeping it on the same height mind you. I wish I could go taller but, then someone would say Modelling for advantage.) However, they are so short it would just look stumpy and 2d if I did that. :/ It's a shame. Plus if I do that, I may actually being damaging it's worth, since these don't exist anymore.
I'm reading too much into this, aren't I?
I don't know if I want the second one, I may sell it to pay the bills. :/
it's based on a partial STC for the conduits used to supply fuel to an Emperor Titan's flamethrower, but with the info data about the actual weapon corrupted and lost they just don't realise it
that's why the promethium lines are so suited to plug into and at just the right pressure etc for shooty flamey goodness
it's based on a partial STC for the conduits used to supply fuel to an Emperor Titan's flamethrower, but with the info data about the actual weapon corrupted and lost they just don't realise it
that's why the promethium lines are so suited to plug into and at just the right pressure etc for shooty flamey goodness
I don't see how pressure designed for an impossibly-large flamethrower translates to pressure for a regular one.
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Stormwall wrote: Glad I got two. I was going to cut the center section out, and make it more like a bastion. (Keeping it on the same height mind you. I wish I could go taller but, then someone would say Modelling for advantage.) However, they are so short it would just look stumpy and 2d if I did that. :/ It's a shame. Plus if I do that, I may actually being damaging it's worth, since these don't exist anymore.
I'm reading too much into this, aren't I?
I don't know if I want the second one, I may sell it to pay the bills. :/
I'd do that if I were you. I'm sure someone will want one of those more than you want two. And you can make a profit from it anyways, what's not to like? Buy an actual Bastion if you want something like a Bastion. I mean why not just buy a Bastion?
Well I'm not one of the guys who says it doesn't make sense due to pressure, I was playing devil's advocate there.
What I can't imagine is A: There being a port small enough and positioned right for some guy, in the middle of combat, to run up to it and attach... what? A hose or tube of some kind? Where's that coming from? I don't see it lying around the pipes. I don't see it on a guardsman or space marine with a flamer.
Stormwall wrote: Glad I got two. I was going to cut the center section out, and make it more like a bastion. (Keeping it on the same height mind you. I wish I could go taller but, then someone would say Modelling for advantage.) However, they are so short it would just look stumpy and 2d if I did that. :/ It's a shame. Plus if I do that, I may actually being damaging it's worth, since these don't exist anymore.
I'm reading too much into this, aren't I?
I don't know if I want the second one, I may sell it to pay the bills. :/
I'd do that if I were you. I'm sure someone will want one of those more than you want two. And you can make a profit from it anyways, what's not to like? Buy an actual Bastion if you want something like a Bastion. I mean why not just buy a Bastion?
Yeah, you're right. I just feel like it's taking advantage of all the hype. *devious laugh* Perhaps that is what I planned to begin with?
I'm going to honestly wait until I have to sell it to sell it. (Probably six months from now, to prep for a Sweden trip.) I've begun assembling mine, I ordered a bastion off ebay, I'm going to make a gate with the bastion on one side, portcullis and rampart in the middle and then this gun on the other side. The towers will be magnitized so I may remove them for individual use. I think it will be an awesome entrance to my fortress.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Three parts in, I can state this is gonna suck to assemble. Will post thoughts when done?
First picture, bottom right, there's a porthole cover leading down to an implied below-ground portion of the structure. There could be who knows what in those foundations, it could be an entire facility! That's what the Fortress of Redemption is, anyway.
They can but, I am gluing my tower down, allowing only the top to spin.
As for the entrance, I was going to make a 2 inch hill with a bunker door to it but, I bet someone would say I was modelling for the advantage. So I haven't.
Hopefully by midnight or 1AM I will have a post showing how I built my tower, if any of you guys care to see that.
Edit: Made a corridor that is raised but drops down to the tower, like a bunker entrance. That way the tower is level with the board and normal height but, it has an actual entrance that looks good.
pretre wrote: So do both the tower and the turret spin?
I was wondering that too, but finally decided on no. I'm gonna go with the idea that it's designed that way due to STCs or possibly even ease of production.
There is a guy on bartertown selling 6 of them for anyone who missed out due to scalpers.
Are they made of normal styrene plastic that you can use plastic glue on or something else? They look a bit shiny and warped from the pics posted last page.
They are a slight variation on normal GW plastic but, a close match. My Model Master's Liquid Cement fused it all together quite nicely. There will be gaps but, most are cleverly hidden to where you cannot see them. You may wish to support the floor itself with sprue or scrap bits btw, as it is slightly unstable. I should really post up the build, and trust me I'm working as fast as I can. I have the tower itself done, all I have to do is make a square bunker tube and throw some gravel down.
I'm OCD, sorry.
Edit: I took pictures of every stage but the gun for help to others.
Forgive me not finishing it with gravel and whatnot but, basically I used up my sheet of plasticard. If there are holes/gaps, that is because I am breaking out the greenstuff and rivets tomorrow to clean it up. Especially around the pipes. The part where the entrance is not flush with the ground is because there will be a pile of gravel/hill there and I honestly ran out of styrene.
Below is my build process on this tower. It is a bit sloppy in parts, the kit not helping. I believe some kits were better as far as warping goes.
Spoiler:
Forgive the blur. I was excited. Basically, this is just the state sheet and assembly.
Unboxing after removing foam and bubble wrap.
The main assembly. It doesn't generally fit, you have to cut it to allow for the parts to ease in, which they're supposed to do normally. I thought I would have to greenstuff the gaps but, this part is hidden anyways.
Another issue is that when these bits were clipped off the sprue, they all have shared damage in the same spot. IE: on these pieces, it will always be on the right, right here. Makes for a little extra work though, your time was saved by them cutting it. Sucks along with the existence of mold lines.
This part is trickier as these mosaics have to be worked into your floor sections, which are generally put together two at a time, once the initial construction via one of the four mosaics is done. It's a bit fiddly, the pillbox fronts actually help guide you if you flip it upside-down. I used a piece of Resin to support the floor, as it has some erectile dysfunction going on.
Rinse and repeat four times. Remove lines and fill gaps while you go.
This is what I meant when I said to flip it over. The floors will sag a bit under their own weight. If you are using model cement instead of superglue, support the structure with some scrap sprue or styrene. It really solidifies the model, and heck, it's free. Worth the effort. It actually saved me a lot of frustration.
Apparently, I'm very stupid and I didn't take pictures of the next stage. However, you glue four annoying struts on basically. They're not the issue, it's getting this to lay flat and be level, and look even on top of them. I used a hair dryer, and model cement to level it and make everything fit correctly. I then used a pewter model and some of his friends to hold it down. (I almost typed "Hold down the fort." Figured it would be too cheesy.)
As of this stage, your gun parts should be separate and so too is the base. I glued mine to the base, I thought it was silly that the parts could even shift. I modified mine by turning it, so that the pillboxes would cover the hatches instead of the front.
Notice: My gun on the top is blu/white tacked together. No mold lines were removed, it is literally held together just to show the finished model. I may end up copying it or attempting to cast it (for a one time project, and not for sale. I don't really want to get flamed to hell, I actually feel pretty guilty about this but, since I cannot buy a third Plasma Obliterator to steal parts from, it makes it a bit harder. I also need to test how my mold kit works for large molds. I hope you don't think any less of me for doing that but, I'll be flat out honest with my intentions. ((It's for a giant land cruiser to display my minis on.))
Anyways. Then HMBC had to just write about the hatches, which I was aware of. However, since this is to be apart of a larger fortress, I figured I would make a bunker entrance. Curse you all. You can see the idea I had initially above. Here is how it turned out.
Honestly, I'd finish it and clean it up to where there are no gaps, and rivet the hell out of it but, this took forever and I am going to bed. Forgive me if I sound sour or enthused. I'm exhausted.
Kinda glad I didn't order one of these seeing the quality, may have to make my own. I don't suppose anyone would care to post the dimensions for footprint, overall height and barrel height?
Been trying to decide if I should buy one of these for the last four days and still can't decide, not a cheap model by any means and hard to store too. The quality puts me off alittle too but I do really like the look and it'd be killer in planetstrike games and look great behind my Wall of Martyr's system.
Henry wrote: I remember when plasma was an ancient technology, the few remaining weapons being treasured. Now every monkey and his skull plastered tower has one.
How many do you expect to see on a single table at one time?
You do realize that every battle is a hypothetical event and that it might just represent a battle involving one (or more) of these rare weapons you speak of. It isnt like every guy on the table has a tower on a 1:1 basis.
When you start seeing nine or ten of them on the table at once I guess your old guy grumbling will start to make more sense...
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sockwithaticket wrote: Do they really want to be taking cover behind a pipeline full of promethium? Seems somewhat less than tactically astute.
"Want to" and "have no choice because its the only cover availible" are two different things.
A battlefield that represents a promethium refinery or similiar in which pipelines and piles of barrels might provide cover but might also explode makes for a cinematic and unpredictible conflict.
Besides, when has much of anything in 40K been "tactically astute"?
Also you dont have to use the Promethium pipeline special rules, you could (gasp) just use them as themed cover on a refinery/industrial board, etc. Crazy I know...
What I can't imagine is A: There being a port small enough and positioned right for some guy, in the middle of combat, to run up to it and attach... what? A hose or tube of some kind? Where's that coming from? I don't see it lying around the pipes. I don't see it on a guardsman or space marine with a flamer.
This was definitely what I was getting at. The ridiculousness of their being all these convenienty placed ways for a guy with a flamethrower to walk up and turn it into a superflamethrower. That and the idea that flamer fuel (which is typically weaponized) is also just pumped around places as an industrial fuel, lol.
This was definitely what I was getting at. The ridiculousness of their being all these convenienty placed ways for a guy with a flamethrower to walk up and turn it into a superflamethrower. That and the idea that flamer fuel (which is typically weaponized) is also just pumped around places as an industrial fuel, lol.
Well I can tell you guys don't live in the Imperium of Man. You should all know by now that everything in the Imperium is weaponized, how else are they meant to burn the heretic and cleanse the alien?
One flamer tank of promethean isn't going to do the job on its own.
It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
jullevi wrote: It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. That the reason this item is so limited is because Games Workshop is not satisfied with the quality.
jullevi wrote: It is worth pointing out that not all Games Workshop plastic kits are of the same quality. Very few terrain kits match the quality of large plastic models. Most terrain kits are slightly lower quality, to cut the cost of molds.
Plasma Obliterator is "slightly lower" or "medium" quality, the same as all Wall of Martyrs terrain kits. In other words, it is not quite as smooth and sharp as large plastic vehicles. Few parts are of higher quality, which implies that they come from different mold and might explain the limited nature of this item. Some filing and gap-filling is likely required but the same can be said of any Wall of Martyrs items.
Promethium Relay Pipes are "high" quality, the same as Imperial Bastion or Fortress of Redemption bunkers. Parts fit perfectly and there are no obvious gaps. I believe that official pictures show 3D-printed masters, because assembled miniatures a lot smoother than official pictures. I really like this kit and I was positively surprised to find out that it is higher quality than most scenery items released lately.
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. That the reason this item is so limited is because Games Workshop is not satisfied with the quality.
I agree. The pipes were great quality. This tower? It could have been something great, like the bastion. It's not. It was god awful to assemble and if this is what the wall of martyrs is made of then feth ever buying one for me, I'm not doing it.
I've seen an unboxing of the Wall of Martyrs. It looks like there's almost no assembly involved. Add that to the fact that we have larger more basic shapes, and I'm wondering how exactly they're of poor-medium quality.
Only in the Imperium of Man would they not only decide to combine a small bunker with a massive installation of their most unstable and self-dangerous weapon technology, but also put the vents for its deadly overheating inside the bunker. And people question how the Tau have survived this long.
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