So with most training camps starting this week figured it was that time. Despite everything surrounding the Patriots, they are still the reigning Super Bowl champions with a ring for every finger on Pierre-Paul's hand... Even if Brady misses all 4 games in still pretty excited for this year.
Also sometime in the next week I'll be getting the Pick-em and fantasy leagues re-upped and ready to go.
Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
I think the NFLPA and the League should put together an exhaustive list of all the naughty things a person can do and assign punishments to them.
1. Don't throw fireworks at fans (fething Vince Coleman). That's a paddlin'.
2. Don't hit your wife. That's 3 games and a paddlin'.
3. Don't push your wife. That's 1 game and two paddlin's.
4. Don't deflate the football. That's 17 games.
5. Don't stick a roman candle in your bum and call yourself a Sherman Tank. The burns on your ass are punishment enough. Plus a paddlin'.
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Because ESPN are the only news source for nfl fans?
In case you haven't realised it's moved beyond the deflating aspect and into a power struggle essentially between the NFLPA & the Commissioner and how punishments should be handled
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
While yes the NFLPA did give Goodell too much power in the last CBA he has been inconsistent with punishments dealt out to players for offences, Ray rice was handed out 2 games until video footage appeared then his suspension was boosted to 10 games, Greg Hardy (Who was never convicted of domestic assault was placed on the exempt list jbut a repeat offender like Ray McDonald has never had such a punishment levied against him. Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
Also there appears to be a least some validity to the view Goddell is punishing Brady for not handing over & destroying his phone to Tedd Wells (Who had no authority to demand & neither did he but for Brady to voluntarily it over would hurt the union as whole by setting a precedent)
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
I find it odd that the NFL, like MLB and others DO have a set punishment for somethings, like gambling and PEDs, but in their ~100 years or so, they haven't ever thought to come up with something more comprehensive....
Anyhow, I actually was about to start a thread on this, but I've the feeling it's more NFL related:
AZ Cardinals are (believed to be) the first team to hire a female assistant coach. And from another article that I've read, the players' response has been overwhelmingly positive.
Yah the Jen Walters thing is such an awesome story. I wonder how it will work long term.
And i have been harping on this for MONTHS, but anyone who has taken any amount of time whatsoever to educate themselves on the framegate crap understands Brady is innocent and this whole thing has been a sham. There are literally hundreds of holes in the wells report, the NFL has constantly smeared Brady and the Patriots with innacurate leaked info. The transcripts from Brady's appeal illustrate how hilariously incompetent and stupid the NFL officials are.
There is definitely a settlement coming and my guess is the same as it's always been, suspense reduced to purely fines.
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And yeah, when I saw the Walters thing on my FB feed, I made the mistake of looking through the comments.... I think I lost about a touchdown's worth of IQ points for it.
She not only has "football" IQ, she actually got her start in rugby. Not to mention, as I said, the players that she's coaching all pretty much are saying the same thing "If the coach knows their gak, I don't care who it is. All I care about is making the team better" I do hope that it opens some more doors for people, as well as some others seeing how awesome a sport rugby is.
The major issue here is that in the collective bargaining agreement the NFLPA gave goddell the power to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doing the math of how many players per suspensions it comes out to ~2% of the NFL players per year that face a suspension for disciplinary reasons. I don't think the rest of the players in the NFL will be all about changing that as most of them never conduct themselves in such a manner that they require disciplinary action. The courts will rule in favor of upholding the bargaining agreement, as its not their place to get between a union and employer when both sides have amicably agreed upon. Looking at the ruling of the last wife beater (forgot his name) took his appeal of the 10 game suspension to the courts and the courts ruled in favor of keeping the suspension in line with the current policy of the NFL at the time, which was 2 games. His 10 game suspension was given out after the policy had changed to that but the incident did not. The courts are not in the business of getting between things that already have a clear agreement or policy that is documented. Brady will lose his case but still be able to defend his character by saying he was wrongly found guilty and that his fight to the bitter end will help him maintain that image. Should he had bargained then it would have been harder as that would have been some kind of admission of guilt in the public eye.
While yes the NFLPA did give Goodell too much power in the last CBA he has been inconsistent with punishments dealt out to players for offences, Ray rice was handed out 2 games until video footage appeared then his suspension was boosted to 10 games, Greg Hardy (Who was never convicted of domestic assault was placed on the exempt list jbut a repeat offender like Ray McDonald has never had such a punishment levied against him. Like Kronk says there should be a set list of X punishment gets you Y sentence like the justice system has (With some discretion over the exact length of sentence)
Also there appears to be a least some validity to the view Goddell is punishing Brady for not handing over & destroying his phone to Tedd Wells (Who had no authority to demand & neither did he but for Brady to voluntarily it over would hurt the union as whole by setting a precedent)
I agree he has been a bit inconsistent and that's where the courts have changed rulings by him to fall more in line with the policies set by the nfl and his previous punishments. With this instance there is no precedence for punishment. The 4 game suspension is in line with the NFL policy on PED's which Goddell can use this as a guide for players trying to gain an unfair advantage. However this ends up playing out I think it will become a new NFL policy. Trying to gain an unfair advantage by using altered or banned equipment (sticky spray if anyone remembers that stuff). The main thing to remember this is not a trial, there is no guarantee of due process. I think that Brady's unwillingness to turn over his phone (which is his right) was unable to satisfactorily prove his innocence and on this I believe that Goddell made the determination that he was to be suspended based on the report by the "investigation".
Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
My best guess is that fantasy owners will be happy. I expect the defense to struggle early on, which could lead to some shootout games. Martavis Bryant is another Steeler to keep your eye on for later rounds.
gorgon wrote: Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
Very interesting year for the Steelers. Barring injury, the offense should be outstanding. Meanwhile, the defense has reloaded with a lot of fresh faces...but can they come together?
I am defiantly looking to see what the steelers are going to do this year on offense. I have Le'Veon Bell and big Ben on my depth charts for the upcoming fantasy drafts. I have a feeling that the offense there in pittsburg is going to produce very well this year.
My best guess is that fantasy owners will be happy. I expect the defense to struggle early on, which could lead to some shootout games. Martavis Bryant is another Steeler to keep your eye on for later rounds.
Yes for sure. He is one who will likely be around for many rounds and his production should be decent as a 2nd or 3rd WR on my fantasy roster.
IAmTheWalrus wrote:I'm really looking forward to fantasy again this year. Maybe this year I'll go all the way...
Plus, it seems like it could be an awesome year for the Colts, what with picking up Andre Johnson and Frank Gore.
I know I'm looking forward to game 5 of the 2015 season!
gorgon wrote:Goodell has been that way since the beginning. That's why the Steelers were the only players not to ratify the CBA...they saw how he handled some of their teammates. Now the rest of the league sees it too..but it's too late. They gave Goodell their permission to be judge, jury, and executioner. *shrug*
But he still has to follow the guidelines/rules/etc. - and he and the NFL don't really appear to have actually done a good job there...
Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks after having his jaw broken by a "sucker punch" from teammate (now released) IK Enemkpali,
How the feth do you allow your locker room to get so out of control that one of your own players lays hands on your starting quarterback?
Seriously?
The LB in question did have red flags on him pre-draft (assaulting an officer or something else exceptionally dumb)
Also reports are that it was over a $300 plane ticket, which Geno hadn't paid back yet but was planning on doing, so he decided to throw away the $500K+ he have made had he made the roster
Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks after having his jaw broken by a "sucker punch" from teammate (now released) IK Enemkpali,
How the feth do you allow your locker room to get so out of control that one of your own players lays hands on your starting quarterback?
Seriously?
The LB in question did have red flags on him pre-draft (assaulting an officer or something else exceptionally dumb)
Also reports are that it was over a $300 plane ticket, which Geno hadn't paid back yet but was planning on doing, so he decided to throw away the $500K+ he have made had he made the roster
Report I read in the local Toronto paper was that it was a $600 plane ticket for Geno to come in as a 'special guest' at this gakhead's football camp, but Geno didn't show due to the sudden death of a friend.
So, not only a dumb*** loser, but a complete and utter dbag for sucker punching a guy who apparently had the bad manners to be grieving the loss of someone close to them. Some role model for kids...
Oh, and the Steelers have lost their main kicker for the entire season with a likely torn ACL, suffered in the game against the Vikings on Sunday.
Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks after having his jaw broken by a "sucker punch" from teammate (now released) IK Enemkpali,
How the feth do you allow your locker room to get so out of control that one of your own players lays hands on your starting quarterback?
Seriously?
The LB in question did have red flags on him pre-draft (assaulting an officer or something else exceptionally dumb)
Also reports are that it was over a $300 plane ticket, which Geno hadn't paid back yet but was planning on doing, so he decided to throw away the $500K+ he have made had he made the roster
Report I read in the local Toronto paper was that it was a $600 plane ticket for Geno to come in as a 'special guest' at this gakhead's football camp, but Geno didn't show due to the sudden death of a friend.
So, not only a dumb*** loser, but a complete and utter dbag for sucker punching a guy who apparently had the bad manners to be grieving the loss of someone close to them. Some role model for kids...
Oh, and the Steelers have lost their main kicker for the entire season with a likely torn ACL, suffered in the game against the Vikings on Sunday.
That's a strong opinion for someone who didn't seem to have read the reports. Yes it seems like a lowly amount for someone making hundreds of thousands of dollars(if he made the team) but it wasn't about the money that enemkpali had asked for politely for months. Reportedly Geno smith also basically told him to feth off and there is nothing Enemkpali was gonna do about it while shoving his finger in IK's face. So enemkpali punched him in his mouth. It wasn't about the money it was about the respect of basically getting punked in front 88 other teammates. This is a sport of aggression between grownish men, I have no problem with what enemkpali did.
Also as an aside how do you sucker punch someone staring right at you and sticking his finger in your face?
And of all things the BILLS CLAIMED ENEMKPALI LOLOLOL. Rex Ryan your amazing sir.
Ahtman wrote: I have a feeling it wasn't as simple as $600 dollars but it is still stupid to give up your career just to punch someone else.
Clearly, he didn't give up his career... He's at Buffalo's camp now. I mean, I guess if your sole goal is to play football in New York City (technically, aren't they still in Jersey when they play home games?) then yeah, he's done... but he's still playing.
Chancetragedy wrote: It wasn't about the money it was about the respect of basically getting punked in front 88 other teammates. This is a sport of aggression between grownish men, I have no problem with what enemkpali did.
Having played football for a long time, I can honestly tell you that attacking your team's most important offensive player isn't going to earn you much respect or win you many friends.
Clearly, he didn't give up his career... He's at Buffalo's camp now. I mean, I guess if your sole goal is to play football in New York City (technically, aren't they still in Jersey when they play home games?) then yeah, he's done... but he's still playing.
Of course he didn't know that would happen, and there is no way he could have believed it to be likely. The guy only has 3 tackles 2 batted passes to his name after all.
Ahtman wrote: I have a feeling it wasn't as simple as $600 dollars but it is still stupid to give up your career just to punch someone else.
Clearly, he didn't give up his career... He's at Buffalo's camp now. I mean, I guess if your sole goal is to play football in New York City (technically, aren't they still in Jersey when they play home games?) then yeah, he's done... but he's still playing.
Eh most of the articles I saw didn't think anyone would hire a guy with his stats that sucker punches a QB. I'm glad someone signed him but I also have to wonder what kind of cut, pay and playing, he had to take to get into the Bills.
Ahtman wrote: I have a feeling it wasn't as simple as $600 dollars but it is still stupid to give up your career just to punch someone else.
Clearly, he didn't give up his career... He's at Buffalo's camp now. I mean, I guess if your sole goal is to play football in New York City (technically, aren't they still in Jersey when they play home games?) then yeah, he's done... but he's still playing.
Eh most of the articles I saw didn't think anyone would hire a guy with his stats that sucker punches a QB. I'm glad someone signed him but I also have to wonder what kind of cut, pay and playing, he had to take to get into the Bills.
I wouldn't have wanted him on my team. Maybe if I was a Bengals fan! Pow, no more Ginger! Zing!
Ahtman wrote: I have a feeling it wasn't as simple as $600 dollars but it is still stupid to give up your career just to punch someone else.
Clearly, he didn't give up his career... He's at Buffalo's camp now. I mean, I guess if your sole goal is to play football in New York City (technically, aren't they still in Jersey when they play home games?) then yeah, he's done... but he's still playing.
Eh most of the articles I saw didn't think anyone would hire a guy with his stats that sucker punches a QB. I'm glad someone signed him but I also have to wonder what kind of cut, pay and playing, he had to take to get into the Bills.
I wouldn't have wanted him on my team. Maybe if I was a Bengals fan! Pow, no more Ginger! Zing!
Yah I can't tell you how many analysts saying the jets are better off without Geno haha and that this may be the best thing that could have happened to them.
I can't remember a team losing as much as the Niners have in a single off season. It's crazy and makes you wonder what was going on there that forced these guys into such actions.
Chancetragedy wrote: I can't remember a team losing as much as the Niners have in a single off season. It's crazy and makes you wonder what was going on there that forced these guys into such actions.
My guess is that for some, it was age/ability, some were probably quite loyal to Harbaugh as well. I won't say that his leaving directly caused them to leave, but rather the way in which he left caused some guys to re-evaluate the ownership and upper management.
Chancetragedy wrote: I can't remember a team losing as much as the Niners have in a single off season. It's crazy and makes you wonder what was going on there that forced these guys into such actions.
My guess is that for some, it was age/ability, some were probably quite loyal to Harbaugh as well. I won't say that his leaving directly caused them to leave, but rather the way in which he left caused some guys to re-evaluate the ownership and upper management.
But hey... 49er tears are delicious
Thats it I think. They saw how a very winning coach was treated when he was deemed no longer needed. It was BS and so many niner fans were calling for york/balke to be fired.
Anyone seen the recent Tom Brady news in regards to the court case? Every day this goes on makes Goodell look more like an idiot, and its getting to the point where even the patriot haters are having to realize this was a sham from the start.
Ghazkuul wrote: Anyone seen the recent Tom Brady news in regards to the court case? Every day this goes on makes Goodell look more like an idiot, and its getting to the point where even the patriot haters are having to realize this was a sham from the start.
I've heard an "NFL Pundit" talking on the radio that many people, including him, think that Brady is guilty, but that the League's handling of the situation has in essence made all the fans want to support the "bad guy" (Brady) because they are making themselves look like the Bad Guy™
Ghazkuul wrote: Anyone seen the recent Tom Brady news in regards to the court case? Every day this goes on makes Goodell look more like an idiot, and its getting to the point where even the patriot haters are having to realize this was a sham from the start.
I've heard an "NFL Pundit" talking on the radio that many people, including him, think that Brady is guilty, but that the League's handling of the situation has in essence made all the fans want to support the "bad guy" (Brady) because they are making themselves look like the Bad Guy™
At this point to me it's a huge argument between Lawful Evil & Neutral Evil, the only issue is the huge future implication of the power's given to the commissioner by the union being employed against the union & future cbas
I've said it from the word go, Goondell needs to go. But honestly he's lost and is going to lose his last 4 cases that went to court yet he is still in power. He has made the NFL too much money for them to depose him now. My guess is the NFL useS a "reduction of comissioners judge/jury/executioner" as a negotiating chip in the next CBA to get something else they want.
Chancetragedy wrote: I've said it from the word go, Goondell needs to go. But honestly he's lost and is going to lose his last 4 cases that went to court yet he is still in power. He has made the NFL too much money for them to depose him now. My guess is the NFL useS a "reduction of comissioners judge/jury/executioner" as a negotiating chip in the next CBA to get something else they want.
And i expect a strike when they try to hold onto that power...which is great for me because that means that other networks might pickup some NHL contracts
Chancetragedy wrote: We didn't win a Super Bowl during spy hate though? The rest is pretty accurate.
Yeah you did... against the Rams.
Incorrect, off by quite a few years plus it was accusations that stem more from the fact that the Rams soft receivers didn't like defense backs that were allowed to play than anything else!
Has anything been confirmed with his injury? I was looking around and didn't see anything. That would be pretty bad for the packers as he's such a weapon for Rodgers.
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Suggs definitely targeted Bradford, but that gut punch (from McClellan? #50) better not be a preview of the Ravens style this season.
What Suggs did was completely legal and what the OLB/DE is supposed to do on a read option but he had Bradford's entire body to aim and just happened to go for his knees
So GB has Nelson out for the year, 1st rounder carted off & Rodgers getting bandaged up a fair bit in one game, not a great week there
So GB has Nelson out for the year, 1st rounder carted off & Rodgers getting bandaged up a fair bit in one game, not a great week there
Then on the other side, the Steelers lost their Center (again) with a broken ankle.... The more and more these sorts of things go on, the more I would think HCs will begin sitting more and more starters, with many of them seeing maybe a drive in preseason, and only getting on the field in week 1, when it actually matters.
Starting to get excited now.. although worried as Ipswich Town is doing well in the footie.. and its rare for both my white horses to play well at the same time.
Hoping for an interesting season, new coach and all.. go Broncos!
All bow before the wonderfulness of Rugby League (not quite as good as Union but hey). And the fact he's a filthy cockroach can be ignored now he's overseas ha.
All you people cheering loudly when he catches it is what confused me. He's a fullback, all he does is catch and run. It's literally his job. Do people often not take those in the NFL?
Fullbacks are a pretty rare commodity in the NFL so yes people don't often take those in the NFL. There are a few people I hope make it in the NFL jarred hayne is one and Nate Boyer the long snapper that got cut by the Seahawks a couple days ago is the other. They are nice stories.
All you people cheering loudly when he catches it is what confused me. He's a fullback, all he does is catch and run. It's literally his job. Do people often not take those in the NFL?
If he muffed the catch Dallas could have recovered and started a new set of offensive downs, which is why punt returners are taught to ignore any kick that goes over their head.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Starting to get excited now.. although worried as Ipswich Town is doing well in the footie.. and its rare for both my white horses to play well at the same time.
Hoping for an interesting season, new coach and all.. go Broncos!
Prepare yourself for a disappointing NFL season then!
Suggs definitely targeted Bradford, but that gut punch (from McClellan? #50) better not be a preview of the Ravens style this season.
What Suggs did was completely legal and what the OLB/DE is supposed to do on a read option but he had Bradford's entire body to aim and just happened to go for his knees
Except that it wasn't "read option" play. It was a simple hand-off from the shotgun. A play that EVERY team uses and has used. Philly hasn't run a single "read option" play yet.
Suggs could see that Bradford did not have the ball since Bradford was turned toward Suggs after the RB went past. Suggs THEN dropped his body to aim his shoulder at Bradford's knee. He also had time to either pull up or turn to avoid hitting Bradford, he took 3 steps before the hit.
By calling that hit "legal" then any QB on a shotgun play is open game regardless of what the actual play was. There are reasons that certain hits on QBs are restricted.... Just ask Joe Thiesmann.
Suggs definitely targeted Bradford, but that gut punch (from McClellan? #50) better not be a preview of the Ravens style this season.
What Suggs did was completely legal and what the OLB/DE is supposed to do on a read option but he had Bradford's entire body to aim and just happened to go for his knees
Except that it wasn't "read option" play. It was a simple hand-off from the shotgun. A play that EVERY team uses and has used. Philly hasn't run a single "read option" play yet.
Suggs could see that Bradford did not have the ball since Bradford was turned toward Suggs after the RB went past. Suggs THEN dropped his body to aim his shoulder at Bradford's knee. He also had time to either pull up or turn to avoid hitting Bradford, he took 3 steps before the hit. By calling that hit "legal" then any QB on a shotgun play is open game regardless of what the actual play was. There are reasons that certain hits on QBs are restricted.... Just ask Joe Thiesmann.
Blandino said the ref was mistaken and that he plans to communicate with all of the league’s officials this week to make sure they understand that quarterbacks are to be treated as runners unless they are clearly in a passing posture or clearly don’t have the ball.
“If the quarterback has an option, he’s considered a runner until he either clearly doesn’t have the football or he re-establishes himself as a passer,” Blandino said. “So it’s not a foul by rule.
Suggs also takes one step before hitting Bradford, my issue isn't the legality of the hit it was that he intentionally went for Bradford's knees on that read option play
Suggs also takes one step before hitting Bradford, my issue isn't the legality of the hit it was that he intentionally went for Bradford's knees on that read option play
I agree, it's not as though Bradford is a big guy like Roethlisberger or Jared Lorenzen. There was absolutely no reason to go that low, unless you're trying to hurt people.
This is one, among so many reasons why I dislike Baltimore
Suggs also takes one step before hitting Bradford, my issue isn't the legality of the hit it was that he intentionally went for Bradford's knees on that read option play
I agree, it's not as though Bradford is a big guy like Roethlisberger or Jared Lorenzen. There was absolutely no reason to go that low, unless you're trying to hurt people.
This is one, among so many reasons why I dislike Baltimore
Yah I agree with this.
Also who cares what the NFL says. They have proven to be liars at almost every turn. Not to be trusted.
kronk wrote: Suggs made a dirty play. Not Suh dirty, but still fething dirty.
Actually, I think Suggs is the dirtier player, he just isn't caught, or he gets more "protection" for his actions. But then again, he's not out there stomping heads like Suh has done, so that helps him a bit.
Also Suggs interview about this with him being like "they need to learn the rules" after bitching and whining for weeks last season from the patriots personnel moves was delectable irony.
gorgon wrote: All of you would love Suggs if he was on the team that you cheer for.
Note that this is a Steelers fan saying this.
I didn't say I wouldn't take him, I just said he was dirty, but not Suh level of dirty. I would not root for Suh on my team, as an example. Nor Michael Vick or Ray Rice.
gorgon wrote: All of you would love Suggs if he was on the team that you cheer for.
Nah... I got Bobby Wagner as my team's starting MLB. Plus we got the LoB thing going on (maybe if Cam would hurry up and realize his gak smells like everyone else's and suit up, per his contract)
gorgon wrote: All of you would love Suggs if he was on the team that you cheer for.
Nah... I got Bobby Wagner as my team's starting MLB. Plus we got the LoB thing going on (maybe if Cam would hurry up and realize his gak smells like everyone else's and suit up, per his contract)
Yah no thanks on Tsuggz. Sure dude can ball on the field but most of his whining and extra curricular stuff is despicable and I'm pretty ok with not rooting for that even on my own team.
It was not a dirty hit. Suggs had inside contain, and Bradford's hand off could easily be read as a fake into a bootleg. Suggs could not have reasonably established that Bradford handed the ball off to Sproles, given their relative position, and Suggs' responsibility.
I wasn't even referring to this hit. But dragging your girlfriend out of a moving car, breaking her nose, and threatening to pour bleach on her and your kid are pretty despicable. Add that to his constant whining when the Ravens lose plus his hypocrisy just makes him generally despicable.
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Chancetragedy wrote: I wasn't even referring to this hit. But dragging your girlfriend out of a moving car, breaking her nose, and threatening to pour bleach on her and your kid are pretty despicable. Add that to his constant whining when the Ravens lose plus his hypocrisy just makes him generally despicable.
Chancetragedy wrote: I wasn't even referring to this hit. But dragging your girlfriend out of a moving car, breaking her nose, and threatening to pour bleach on her and your kid are pretty despicable. Add that to his constant whining when the Ravens lose plus his hypocrisy just makes him generally despicable.
Picked up the new Madden yesterday after work...LOL'd all night at the Redskins QB sotuation. RG3 with a 75 or so, Cousins and McCoy both at 73. But Winston was given an 81...
The latest 49ers-related incident involves linebacker Ahmad Brooks, who was charged with one count of misdemeanor sexual battery in Santa Clara County, Calif., on Wednesday.
The District Attorney's office didn't offer any details on Brooks' case, but sources did tell the San Jose Mercury News that the alleged assault, which took place in December at the home of former 49ers defensive lineman Ray McDonald, was caught on security camera.
If convicted, Brooks faces up to six months in jail.
He wasn't ready to retire - so many Pro Athletes find it very hard to walk away at The End - but then hopefully this isn't The End for him and he's got something left.
The Patriots have a lot of injuries at that position, so here we are!
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The verdict is in, and Tom Brady has emerged a winner.
U.S. District Court Judge Richard Berman ruled to nullify the New England Patriots quarterback’s four-game suspension Thursday, making Brady eligible for the team’s season opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sept. 10.
Berman’s ruling ends a long, protracted battle between Brady’s camp and the NFL. The two sides were urged to settle but couldn’t come to an agreement. Goodell and Brady went before Berman on Monday, the third hearing between the two sides since Brady’s appeal. Monday’s appeal lasted just a few minutes before Berman announcing he’d rule within a couple of days.
The entire Deflategate ordeal broke shortly after the Patriots won the AFC Championship Game in January. New England defeated the Indianapolis Colts 45-7 to advance to the Super Bowl, which the Patriots ultimately won over the Seattle Seahawks with Brady winning MVP honors. The NFL launched an investigation into whether the Patriots deflated footballs in that AFC Championship Game, as the league commissioned lawyer Ted Wells to conduct an independent investigation.
The findings of that investigation were released in the Wells Report on May 6. Less than a week later, Brady was suspended four games, and the Patriots were fined $1 million and docked two draft picks. The Patriots eventually accepted the punishment, but Brady appealed the four-game suspension. That appeal was upheld by Goodell, a decision that ultimately led to the case going to court before Berman.
There is more, but I don't feel like copy/pasting it all.
Because I think what happened was more probably than not that Tom said (after the '16 PSI ' Jets game) - "I don't care what you have to do, but I don't want to ever get a ball above 12.5 PSI again!", and then we were off and running.
But yeah, the NFL bungled this from the start and - here we are.
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Brady GOAT. Dont mess with Brady
So glad I can watch football this season.
What do you want to bet the Patriots have a lot more bad calls this year going against them then any other team in the NFL? Goodell isn't going to sit down and take it. He will continue to make himself look like a donkey cave until the end.
So after watching Roger Goodell flub a multi million dollar investigation, have his subordinates edit the results, *Possibly leak false reports to ESPN, Publicly lie about testimony, defame Tom Brady for months and then finally have the gall to compare inflating/deflating footballs to steroid use your telling me its "Tin foil" level conspiracy theory that goodell might let the referees know he would be pleased if the Pats lost some close calls and replays?
Xenomancers wrote: Haha, guess I deserve that. It's the way I feel though.
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kronk wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brady is going to serve all 4 games of that suspension.
Well if you heard that from ESPN - I would completely disregard it. Their coverage of the whole thing has been pretty biased towards the NFL's decision here - pretty sure they are required to.
Brady GOAT. Dont mess with Brady
So glad I can watch football this season.
What do you want to bet the Patriots have a lot more bad calls this year going against them then any other team in the NFL? Goodell isn't going to sit down and take it. He will continue to make himself look like a donkey cave until the end.
I am a pats fan but I am a sports fan first. I can confirm with you in total honesty - that this already occurs lol. I don't think it's because the NFL mandates it - it is because the refs don't want the scrutiny of making a call that helps the patriots win - even if it was an obvious one. Teams know this and therefore play dirty against the pats and get away with it. So really - I hope the NFL does something stupid like this and gets caught. Mainly because it wont change a dang thing but MIGHT shed light on the fact that the games aren't being called fair against the pats and maybe it will make things more fair in the future. So You probably wonder - if this is true and the pats don't get a fair game called against them how do they still win so much? The answer is simple. We have the best coach in the NFL - he is always one step ahead of his opponent. Brady is good but it's really coaching that wins games for the pats.
Looks like Tebow will make the Eagles roster after they traded Matt Barkley to the Cards for a conditional 7th rounder (Barkley has to be on the roster for at least 6 games)
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Looks like Tebow will make the Eagles roster after they traded Matt Barkley to the Cards for a conditional 7th rounder (Barkley has to be on the roster for at least 6 games)
Nope, Tebow was cut and they pulled Stephen Morris (Jags) from the waiver wire.
I've been saying that for a long time -- that this is a "makeup call" of sorts for Spygate. Goodell's real error was in brushing Spygate under the rug when he had clear evidence of cheating. The other owners knew about this stuff, and other monkey business like headset/helmet communications "issues" at Foxborough.
The Pats were almost certainly cheating this time as well, but it was a molehill offense that Goodell tried to turn into a mountain while lacking direct evidence. This is why you don't brush things under the rug in the first place.
Regarding Thursday night's game, I'd be surprised if it's even close. The Steelers are a little banged up (Pouncey and some starters on defense), missing some key contributors in Bell and Bryant, and working in some young defensive players. Meanwhile, the Pats and Belichick will be looking to make a "statement" (i.e. giant middle finger and 'FU') to the rest of the NFL. You know they'll be chucking the ball down the field even if they're up 3 TDs late. It could get really ugly.
But one game doesn't make a season. The Steelers just have to weather the storm early during the first month or so, hang in there with the divisional race, and get their players back and the defense to gell.
Er, no - he got fined for taping the opposing sideline from a location where you weren't allowed to do it.
He thought he had wiggle room on that rule, he was wrong and they got hit hard.
And ever since then, bitter, short-sighted and possibly envious fans, owners, players, coaches, league officials, etc. have been jumping at bogey-men.
The distraction from all of this mostly imaginary crap has probably cost more teams more victories than any (alleged) thing the Patriots have ever done.
Green as in sick of the Pats and their cheating, I think so.
I don't think it's a coincidence that ESPN broke this story, and now. Too bad Rog didn't have interest in letting the truth be known back then.
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Alpharius wrote: Er, no - he got fined for taping the opposing sideline from a location where you weren't allowed to do it.
He thought he had wiggle room on that rule, he was wrong and they got hit hard.
And ever since then, bitter, short-sighted and possibly envious fans, owners, players, coaches, league officials, etc. have been jumping at bogey-men.
The distraction from all of this mostly imaginary crap has probably cost more teams more victories than any (alleged) thing the Patriots have ever done.
Or not done!
Good to see you folks still have no real defense other than "IT'S ALL LIES! YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!"
Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed its signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it," says a former Steelers coach. "I've had a couple of guys on my teams from New England, and they've told me those things."
Ha!
I agree the timing is suspicious.
The NFL, SI and ESPN, got made to look like fools - again.
Shocking timing on this one!
Also shocking that the biggest complainers are all the teams that lost to the Pats in the various Super Bowls.
Still, roll on 2015 - time to put all this behind us - or not!
Because Roger says:
ROGER GOODELL, ABOUT THIS STORY
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell appeared on ESPN's Mike & Mike show minutes after this story published. When asked about the connections made between Spygate and Deflategate, he said he had not yet had a chance to read this story but:
"I am not aware of any connection between the Spygate procedures and these procedures here. There is no connection in my mind between these two incidents."
and there's no way Roger would lie about anything, right?
I don't want all the hilarious comments from delusional Steelers, Colts, Rams and Eagles fans to get lost among all the injury updates and RB2/WR3 talk!
Belichick knows at Saturday night meetings who will be inactive and active for its opponents during home games. “It’s not clear how Belichick knows. But he does,” the report says.
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I have heard other teams say New England went through their trash, say New England is bugging their locker room, say New England is filming their practices with iPhones (imagine the quality! Lol!)
The bottom line is New England is just a better team than most of these other teams. 13 years of dominance and six Super Bowls appearances in the Belichick era being the proof in the pudding.
Instead of saying to themselves, "Man, we gotta figure out how to get better. We gotta figure out how to be like New England.", all of these other teams say, "No, they kick our asses year in and year out. They MUST be cheating. They MUST be going through our trash, bugging our locker room, filming our practices with iPhones. It can't just be that we suck. Can it?"
Sounds like New England is achieving exactly what they want to achieve - getting into their opponents heads!
It's been a rough stretch for the NFL's public image, and former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz is the latest to pile on.
The 64-year-old came off the top rope from a cabin in Idaho.
Just when it seemed like Deflategate had finally gone flat, the Patriots' latest scandal managed to find new life AND link itself to another mess born of the team's all-around unethicalness. Deflategate, meet Spygate. Oh, boy.
ESPN on Tuesday published an exhaustive investigation that says the Patriots' Spygate scandal — you remember, the mess that leaked out when Bill Belichick's corner-cutting resulted in a Patriots' video assistant getting caught illegally filming the New York Jets during a week-one game in 2007 — went deeper than we thought.
So deep, ESPN reports, that league investigators discovered the Patriots kept a library of scouting material, opponents' play calls included. This stash reportedly held information gathered from the rogue recording of opponents' signals between 2000-2007. That's new information that Goodell probably didn't want us to know. While he handed out hefty fines and docked a draft pick, he reportedly ordered that the hard evidence from the library be destroyed.
The big-picture takeaway is this: Goodell tried to hammer the Patriots for Deflategate because the NFL owners who are also his bosses believed the Patriots got off relatively easy for Spygate.
But back to Martz, whose footnote in the 18-page report is going to stick in the craw of Rams' fans forever.
Think any of those nuked videos or shredded notes helped the Patriots beat the Rams 20-17 in Super Bowl XXXVI?
If you didn't already, you will probably ask yourself that every time you see a replay of Adam Vinatieri's game-winning field goal from 2002.
Sounds like Martz does the same.
"It was hard to swallow because I always felt something happened but I didn't know what it was and I couldn't prove it anyway," Martz told ESPN in July, during an interview in his summer cabin in the Idaho mountains. "Even to this day, I think something happened."
This isn't an unnamed source hinting at foul play. This is a former coach calling out the Patriots on the record. The NFL should be terrified of guys like Martz. He has nothing to lose.
Call it sour grapes if you want. Or, call it the truth from a guy who no longer has to cater to The Shield.
If the Patriots had Rams-specific intel in their now-empty library, we'll probably never know. But the report goes on to mention a more-concrete reason St. Louis should feel at least a little cheated.
Depending on whom you believe, the Patriots either did or did not film the Rams' Super Bowl walk-through before the big game.
Former Patriots videographer Matt Walsh claimed he and at least three other videographers watched the Rams' final practice, then reported back some valuable information, like the fact that Rams running back Marshall Faulk was returning kickoffs and the addition of new redzone plays. But Walsh can't produce hard evidence, something the Patriots cling to. Maybe it didn't make it out of the library.
But wait. There's also the hint of a cover-up.
Martz, who coached the Rams from 2000-05, also told ESPN that Goodell called him in 2008 and asked him to provide a statement saying he was satisfied with the league's look into Spygate. Arlen Specter, a senator from Pennsylvania, was calling for a congressional investigation. Martz, canned by the Rams in 2006, was the offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers.
"He (Goodell) told me, 'The league doesn't need this. We're asking you to come out with a couple lines exonerating us and saying we did our due diligence,'" Martz told ESPN.
Martz agreed to release a statement through the 49ers.
"I was stunned at Matt Walsh’s allegation that he was on the sideline in New England Patriots apparel during our walk-thru," read one part. "I find that insulting, disturbing and a slap in the face to both our team security and NFL security, who both do outstanding jobs. I promise you that if he was on the sideline, he was not in New England Patriots apparel because he would have been identified."
Now that Martz is out of coaching, his tune has changed. He balked when ESPN reintroduced his statement from 2008.
"It shocked me," Martz told ESPN. "It appears embellished quite a bit — some lines I know I didn't write. Who changed it? I don't know."
Alpharius wrote: Yes - but ONLY because that was an obvious, if inexplicable, pick play.
Right?
"those whaskawhy wabbits think ize gonna use the best rusher in the weague to got this 1 yrd for a touchdown, hurr hurr hurr, Ize gonnsta throws it and be twicky."
And then the patriots win the super bowl due to massive idiocy on behalf of the seachickens.
Did the Pats somehow know the Seachickens were going to throw the ball at the end of the game?
Wrong SB mate....
And the record should reflect that we passed that ball, in order to ensure that we didn't take the 49th Lombardi home to Seattle.... Such is our disdain for the club from San Fran.
St. Louis fans are talking about (kiddingly of course) to load up the vans and head to foxboros to get "our" 2002 SB trophy back.
Send them by Pittsburgh and have them get the SB XL rings they stole from the Seahawks while they're at it.
Fine, I'll field that. For starters, bad reffing is a different thing from cheating. And 75-yard rushing TDs, INTs in the red zone, umpteen dropped passes by a TE, etc. have nothing to do with either.
And let's be real -- your 2005 squad was nice, but nothing more than that. It simply managed to negotiate an extremely weak NFC. Even if you gave the Seahawks back a few calls, they probably still would have come up a little short, even though the Steelers played their worst game of the playoffs by far, and Roethlisberger looked like a nervous little kid in the worst performance of his entire career. Both of your recent Seahawks squads would MURDER your 2005 squad.
Sometimes you have to let it go and realize your team lost to a better team. The 1995 and 2010 Steelers squads weren't better than the teams they faced, and they lost. Similarly, I'm not going to claim that the 2001 and 2004 Steelers squads would have won SBs absent the Pats' cheating. They would have had plenty of trouble with a loaded Rams team, and even though they crushed the Eagles earlier in 2004, the Eagles had an excellent team that clearly came ready to fight in that SB (at least until McNabb started puking in the huddle). They may very well have lost both SBs anyway.
Sometimes you have to let it go and realize your team lost to a better team.
Agreed!
Without the games to distract from the issues, fans had more time to ponder the NFL's discipline policies, its commissioner and its overall credibility during an uncomfortable offseason.
Yes, the draft, the scouting combine and training camp were all designed to keep the league in the headlines long after the footballs stopped flying last February. But since the Patriots beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, those headlines have also been filled with news about scandals ranging from trivial ("Deflategate") to life-or-death (concussions and domestic abuse).
For those who only checked back in when their fantasy draft took place last week, here's a quick rundown of where things stand with kickoff now less than 48 hours away. (Not in order of importance):
DEFLATEGATE: Last week, Tom Brady and the Patriots got a favorable ruling from a New York judge, meaning the quarterback will be available when New England hosts Pittsburgh in the league's opener Thursday night. The NFL has appealed the ruling — hoping another court will uphold Commissioner Roger Goodell's four-game suspension of the quarterback for a plot to deflate footballs before last season's AFC title game. The league claims it is appealing "to uphold the collectively bargained responsibility to protect the integrity of the game." Something to watch: What will the NFL do if an appeals court reinstates the suspension in, say, November, when the playoff chase is in full force?
RAY RICE: As has been the case since last November, the running back is eligible to play and available, after a judge overturned his season-long suspension following his arrest for punching his fiancée on an Atlantic City casino elevator. There are a few teams in need of a veteran runner: Cleveland and Dallas come to mind. The NFL has always been a place of second chances, but not so much for a 28-year-old running back who was thought to be on the downside of his career before his suspension.
ADRIAN PETERSON: He is back with the Vikings after an offseason in which he wasn't initially eager to return, saying he felt a lack of support from the team and the state. The 30-year-old running back missed all but one game last year because of a child-abuse case and has been assured he'll make the $13 million he's owed this season even if he gets hurt. Peterson pleaded no contest last year to a misdemeanor charge of reckless assault for using a wooden switch to discipline his 4-year-old son. Earlier this summer, a Texas judge reduced his probation from two years to nine months already served.
GREG HARDY: The linebacker missed all but one game with the Panthers last season after being convicted of domestic violence. The conviction was thrown out on appeal when his accuser failed to show up to testify. The Cowboys signed Hardy in March. A month later, Goodell suspended him for 10 games, but that penalty was reduced to four games by an arbitrator.
RAY McDONALD: Last week, the former 49ers defensive lineman was indicted on one count of raping an intoxicated person. He'll be arraigned Sept. 25 and faces up to eight years in prison. In March, the Chicago Bears signed McDonald to a one-year contract, but they released him two months later after his arrest in a separate case — for allegedly breaking down a bedroom door to get to his former fiancée and their infant.
RICHIE INCOGNITO: The former Miami Dolphins guard sat out 15 months after being suspended as the primary offender in the bullying complaint made by Jonathan Martin. Incognito went unsigned last season, but is slated to start for the Buffalo Bills. Martin, 26, played for the 49ers last year, signed with the Panthers for this season, but then retied during training camp.
CONCUSSIONS: Not so much a scandal, as a widening crisis. Payouts on the potential $1 billion concussion settlement between the league and former players are being delayed while as many as a dozen appeals are being heard. Other lawsuits from several former Chiefs and St. Louis Rams, including Neil Smith and Roy Green, are pending in Missouri, where it's possible team officials could have to testify about whether they hid the risk of repeated head injuries. How game officials handle head-to-head contact and return-to-play issues for players who may have suffered concussions will stay under the microscope. And then, there is the movie "Concussion," due out at Christmas.
Alpharius wrote: I don't want all the hilarious comments from delusional Steelers, Colts, Rams and Eagles fans to get lost among all the injury updates and RB2/WR3 talk!
Did the Pats somehow know the Seachickens were going to throw the ball at the end of the game?
Wrong SB mate....
And the record should reflect that we passed that ball, in order to ensure that we didn't take the 49th Lombardi home to Seattle.... Such is our disdain for the club from San Fran.
Well played sir. I'd find a golf clap .gif, but feth the seahawks.
Go Texans!
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CONCUSSIONS: Not so much a scandal, as a widening crisis. Payouts on the potential $1 billion concussion settlement between the league and former players are being delayed while as many as a dozen appeals are being heard. Other lawsuits from several former Chiefs and St. Louis Rams, including Neil Smith and Roy Green, are pending in Missouri, where it's possible team officials could have to testify about whether they hid the risk of repeated head injuries. How game officials handle head-to-head contact and return-to-play issues for players who may have suffered concussions will stay under the microscope. And then, there is the movie "Concussion," due out at Christmas.
The NFL is "Too Big to Fail", but this is a huge black eye for the league, and will cost them much more than 1 billion dollars when all is said and done.
Do the right thing. Pay the money to the retired players and their families that made the league what it is while getting paid jack gak. Teach kids to tackle properly. Continue to fine/suspend players that tackle with the head or target the head. Don't be a dick.
Do the right thing. Pay the money to the retired players and their families that made the league what it is while getting paid jack gak. Teach kids to tackle properly. Continue to fine/suspend players that tackle with the head or target the head. Don't be a dick.
This.
Also, I know I'm fairly heavily biased, but I can only hope that with more and more teams that play high level football turn to Rugby for guidance on proper tackling techniques, that Rugby grows even more in the US. It could very well be a big win-win for both football and the US Eagles national team
Well, keep in mind that the NFL controls those headsets and had this to say about it:
NFL vice president of football communications Michael Signora released a statement explaining that communications equipment falls under the jurisdiction of the league, and that the headset issues were a function of a power issue at the stadium that the league fixed during the game.
“In the first quarter of tonight’s game, the Pittsburgh coaches experienced interference in their headsets caused by a stadium power infrastructure issue, which was exacerbated by the inclement weather,” Signora said in the statement. “The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day. Once the power issue was addressed, the equipment functioned properly with no additional issues.”
Given all that's happened lately, you'd hope the League was on top of such things.
Also, the Steelers players themselves realized that ultimately, they got outplayed:
Inside linebacker Lawrence Timmons, who handles the defensive calls from coaches, said the calls were not smooth Thursday night, but "with no-huddle [offense], that's always going to be a problem."
"I'm not going there [about New England's past]," Timmons said. "I feel like we should have played better. If we would have executed better, I think we would have had a better outcome."
In the immediate aftermath of the false start penalty, Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger could be seen vehemently arguing the call with officials. Here's what he told reporters in the game's aftermath.
“In my years of playing, a defensive guy can’t bark stuff or move in the middle of a cadence. The ref said, 'We didn’t go in the neutral zone,' and I agree with him. I wasn’t arguing that part. I was arguing the fact that he shifted in the middle of a cadence, and I thought that there was a rule against it. Maybe there’s not — maybe it’s an unwritten rule — I don’t really know.
"So, that’s what I was more upset about. They do that. We saw it on film that the Patriots do that. They shift and slide and do stuff on the goal line, knowing that it’s an itchy trigger-finger-type down.”
As it turns out, there's no rule against disrupting a team's cadence with a defensive line shift, so long as it doesn't involve "words or signals." To recap, the Steelers knew the Patriots used this tactic from watching film, committed a false start penalty on the sequence anyhow, and then complained about it afterwards.
Pittsburgh's sour grapes are awful similar to the Baltimore Ravens' complaints about New England's ineligible receiver formations during the playoffs this past January — a legal play at the time that the NFL later disallowed during the offseason. As was the case then, it's probably best for folks not to cry foul on plays that are allowable under NFL rules, if only because it makes the other team seem better prepared.
Because comprehension seems limited among a fanbase that thinks football began in 2001, Roethlisberger wasn't saying that the Pats were CHEATING. He thought it might be a PENALTY. And in fact there are some kinds of movement you can't make to induce a false start. What the Pats were doing with their "shifts" wasn't illegal, but it was gamesmanship.
The headsets...well, that was what it was. It's something that happens a lot at Gillette and is fairly rare in other stadiums. Sure, it walks and quacks like a duck, but what can you do? Obviously the Pats want to rub the rest of the NFL's noses in it, and as a result things will probably get worse for them before they get better. That's their call. It had little to do with the outcome, either way.
Actually, I expected something along the lines of 49-14 given the major growing pains the Steelers' defense showed during the preseason. On offense DeAngelo Williams played great filling in, although he wasn't the threat in the passing game that Bell is. It's when they have all three killer Bs that the offense really hums -- Bryant running the deep stuff, Brown running all those intermediate routes, and Bell killing you underneath.
So yes...the Pats' defense is a cause for concern considering the Steelers racked up a ton of yards without two key weapons. But it's only game 1.
The article is fairly clear - Roethlisberger was WRONG and it seems odd to complain about something being against the rules that...isn't against the rules.
It just makes your team look unprepared.
Either way, both teams have lots to improve upon and both teams will definitely be in the AFC championship mix.
Steelers headsets playing the pats radio play by play broadcast. Spy gate, deflation gate,and now radio gate...
Green Bay pre season complained about radio problems at pats stadium .
The article is fairly clear - Roethlisberger was WRONG and it seems odd to complain about something being against the rules that...isn't against the rules.
It just makes your team look unprepared.
I think you need to re-read the last sentence of my first paragraph. It's accurate. Those "shifts" were attempts to induce false starts, not defensive adjustments. Gamesmanship.
While the headsets are the jurisdiction of the NFL, the "power problem" was a stadium issue. The NFL doesn't own the stadium, nor control the "infrastructure".
Any competent electrician could fix what is alleged to be a "Known issue". They could also cause said issues.
Especially since the problem "was exacerbated by the inclement weather".
Given the location of the stadium, one would have to wonder why this "issue" with the "infrastructure" and "weather" is still an issue.
Now clearly the Patriots brought this on themselves with Spygate, but it might be time to pump the brakes on this one.
What happened here is that the Steelers were out-played.
They lost to better team.
Of course on any given Sunday Thursday, any team can certainly beat another - but also for the last 14 years or so, the Partiots have been pretty good against everyone - and especially against the Steelers (8 wins, 3 losses).
Man this years NFL thread sucks so far. I'd most assuredly rather talk fantasy and how much the jets are gonna suck this year than the crap that's going on in here.
Whembly any word from the Rams on Gurleys status? I know he's out this week but do they seem optimistic? He was the guy I had slated as the next CJ2K or AP.
"Did you see the bird that flew onto the field during the 2nd half of the patriots game? It clearly distracted the stealers defense which let the pats score, I bet you those sneaky patriots trained that bird to fly like that!"
Please keep the conspiracy theories going people, it makes me laugh
Whembly any word from the Rams on Gurleys status? I know he's out this week but do they seem optimistic? He was the guy I had slated as the next CJ2K or AP.
He won't play this week... and maybe not next week either.
But, the kids been very impressive and that'd be the best draft in a long time if he truly does become the next CJ2k/AP.
Yah the Seahawks always seem like they are on the verge of falling off a cliff. If Kam holds out for a while it could get rough for them. Or they could just continue to dominate like they have and keep the train a Rollin. It will be interesting to see.
My AFC picks are
Patriots
Steelers
Broncos
Colts
Chargers(WC)
Dolphins(WC)
helgrenze wrote: The Brady suspension was all so Ensis wouldn't play him this week in FFL.
That Soundwave will do anything to gain an advantage.
Lol, I honestly wasn't paying that much attention to my bench... apparently I got saddled with Romo as the first QB I drafted, so he was auto-started. For as bad as he chokes, he does have a tendency over the past few years to do fairly well in fantasy scoring... Guess I can hope for that.
In the only other league I do, I had Gronk playin, and the Pats kicker, so that gave be a bit of a jump on the weekend.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah the Seahawks always seem like they are on the verge of falling off a cliff. If Kam holds out for a while it could get rough for them. Or they could just continue to dominate like they have and keep the train a Rollin. It will be interesting to see.
My AFC picks are
Patriots
Steelers
Broncos
Colts
Chargers(WC)
Dolphins(WC)
I know the bucs prob won't make the playoffs, but I always include one WTF?!? Team making the playoffs cause it always seems to happen. And I'm an FSU guy so I'd like to see ol' crablegs do something haha.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I know it's not the NFL, but I miss Jim Harbaugh and his rediculous blow ups already. Just watching the Michigan game laughing my ass off at the Harbaugh antics.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah the Seahawks always seem like they are on the verge of falling off a cliff. If Kam holds out for a while it could get rough for them. Or they could just continue to dominate like they have and keep the train a Rollin. It will be interesting to see.
My AFC picks are
Patriots
Steelers
Broncos
Colts
Chargers(WC)
Dolphins(WC)
Haha touché. Honestly I probably should have put them in there. They have a chance to be a serious dark horse if Hoyer can just be slightly better than decent. I really like them this year.
Travis Kelce officially had the best TD celebration ever!
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Chancetragedy wrote: Haha touché. Honestly I probably should have put them in there. They have a chance to be a serious dark horse if Hoyer can just be slightly better than decent. I really like them this year.
The defense is solid. However, without their Pro-Bowl running back, the lack of a solid QB is magnified significantly. Yesterday was tough to watch. Spotting the other team 14 points with turnovers in your own red zone is tough to come back from.
Hopefully they can get their gak together or it will be a long season.
There is so much talent on the Defense side of the ball, and so much missing on Offense.
Also is this colt buffalo game real life?!? Although I guess it is since the colts have been outscored 62-7 in the last 6 quarters of football....
Yeah, they're looking mighty sloppy. I mean, Buffalo's defense is something to be respected, but there's no reason why the should be elite offense of the Colts shouldn't be running up the score.
I think a lot of it has to do with the Pep's play calling. We spent the entirety of last season trying to force Boom and Bust down everyone's throats, and now that we picked up Gore to actually make that strategy work it's freaking pass city? I really think they need to either change the play calling strategy or find a new offensive coordinator.
Yah, I think the colts needed to focus on their lines more. Instead they just loaded up on skill positions. And it's showing, obviously Buffalos defense is going to be really good this year. But I think the colts are going to slip some as well.
Really Giants, really? Losing with 7 seconds left on the clock? Terrible game... Looks like it's going to be another painful season of the defense routinely allowing 400+ yards per game.
Same argument for the Philly game.
If they had went for it on that 4th and 1 late in the 4th. They make it, new set of downs and maybe an easier FG, they don't, Atl gets the ball in the same place.
A TD would have forced ATL to drive hard for their own TD.
Lol.. it's the Seahawks. And yes, they did plenty to beat themselves.
But, of the 3 or 4 games I watched yesterday, they were pretty consistently terribly called... Blatant and obvious holding on nearly every single play. Offensive players going in motion not being set for the right time before the snap (that's supposed to be a false start). But honestly, the biggest transgression for me is the holding thing. I get that NFL refs are probably told to let the games flow a bit, and while I truly doubt that NFL leadership tells officials to "favor" the offense, it's pretty clear that the NFL is focusing on that side of play, because many of them have this weird belief that all fans love seeing an NFL game that ends with a basketball score.
Dallas was penalized 18 times for 168 yards vs the Eagles. Philly only got hit 8 times.
Dallas won mainly because the Philly offense could not get anything going. They looked like they just met in the parking lot that morning. Kelly's post game comments equaled "I got Nothing".
With the offense going 3&out every time they got the ball, The Defense just got wore out. Dallas controlled the ball for 40 of 60 minutes.
Ugly game.
The only officiating issue was the helmet to helmet hit on the Eagles punter during the blocked kick not getting called.
The one officiating issue I have from the GB-SEA game last night, was in the triple personal fouls calls.
I have no problem with the offsetting penalties, because in replay there was clear "personal foul" material (defensive player holding facemask), and there was clearly retaliation. What I have an issue with, is their ruling on the ejection. They clearly state "player removed another player's helmet by pulling on the face mask" but when they show replay footage, the offensive player's helmet stays on the entire time.
I think that if the refs called holding "properly" (as in enforced the rule hardly at all), it would take one week, maybe two to fix the problem of holding that I see as being an epidemic in the game. As a defensive fan, I think this would go some ways to leveling the playing field, since the game right now is so ridiculously stacked in the offense's favor.
Lol.. it's the Seahawks. And yes, they did plenty to beat themselves.
But, of the 3 or 4 games I watched yesterday, they were pretty consistently terribly called... Blatant and obvious holding on nearly every single play. Offensive players going in motion not being set for the right time before the snap (that's supposed to be a false start). But honestly, the biggest transgression for me is the holding thing. I get that NFL refs are probably told to let the games flow a bit, and while I truly doubt that NFL leadership tells officials to "favor" the offense, it's pretty clear that the NFL is focusing on that side of play, because many of them have this weird belief that all fans love seeing an NFL game that ends with a basketball score.
I may be wrong, but I hazard to guess that a small factor is that the league thinks that by making football scores look like basketball scores, there'll be fewer head injuries and such than you get with 13-7 slobberknocker games. Of course, it's 99% about the ratings and what they think people want to see.
Although I've read that doctors now think that it's not the big, concussion-causing hits that do most of the damage, but constant, continual banging like you see along the line of scrimmage.
And on the ratings front, I don't think they realize that fewer teams are competitive when the league becomes a game of "get a franchise qb or you're done." That's always been the case to some extent, but it's become an extreme thing now. And what's complicating the issue is that college teams aren't producing pro-style passers anymore. Look at all the "elite" QBs. It's a bunch of vets, mostly 30+, and Andrew Luck. Maybe Wilson too, depending on how you're defining elite.
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helgrenze wrote: Dallas was penalized 18 times for 168 yards vs the Eagles. Philly only got hit 8 times.
Dallas won mainly because the Philly offense could not get anything going. They looked like they just met in the parking lot that morning. Kelly's post game comments equaled "I got Nothing".
With the offense going 3&out every time they got the ball, The Defense just got wore out. Dallas controlled the ball for 40 of 60 minutes.
Ugly game.
The only officiating issue was the helmet to helmet hit on the Eagles punter during the blocked kick not getting called.
Y'know, I kinda get that Chip Kelly has his own way of doing things, and that he feels that the has to "go with what brung him." But the NFL is about adjusting and adapting. If he's too stubborn to do that...he's not going to last long.
I tend to think the Eagles will improve. They can't play that badly all year. And the division stinks, so who knows? But it does seem like after all his wheeling and dealing this year, Kelly has ended up with a worse team with some glaring and possibly fatal flaws.
Although I've read that doctors now think that it's not the big, concussion-causing hits that do most of the damage, but constant, continual banging like you see along the line of scrimmage.
And on the ratings front, I don't think they realize that fewer teams are competitive when the league becomes a game of "get a franchise qb or you're done." That's always been the case to some extent, but it's become an extreme thing now. And what's complicating the issue is that college teams aren't producing pro-style passers anymore. Look at all the "elite" QBs. It's a bunch of vets, mostly 30+, and Andrew Luck. Maybe Wilson too, depending on how you're defining elite.
One thing I've read on the concussion front would support what you wrote because in one study, they found that high school girls that play soccer suffer more concussions and post-concussion symptoms than their male football playing counterparts.
And on the ratings thing... yeah, I can kind of see what you're saying, although we can of course cherry pick some places where they've been pretty successful without a "franchise" qb. Then again, some cities are just simply known historically for certain aspects of the game. Big Ben wasn't your typical franchise QB, because Pittsburgh is known for its defensive football, IMO, he's come into that role because the long standing defensive vets have largely retired off. Baltimore also comes to mind as Ray Lewis was much more the "franchise" guy than whoever they had at qb when they won a SB. Same thing with Tampa Bay... they were known for their Defense.
Y'know, I kinda get that Chip Kelly has his own way of doing things, and that he feels that the has to "go with what brung him." But the NFL is about adjusting and adapting. If he's too stubborn to do that...he's not going to last long.
It's funny, when he was at Oregon, he had the "full support" of the other parts of the staff, so he got the players he "needed" to play his system and style of play. I'm beginning to wonder if
A) his system doesn't actually translate well to the NFL
B) whether he has the "full support" of the front office to get the type/style of player he wants
But, I do agree. If you're Mike Martz, a coach known for passing the ball all over the place, but you get "stuck" with Jim Brown.... you NEED to become a running coach
And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.
Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.
gorgon wrote: Kelly has full control in Philly now. Eek.
And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.
Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.
No college team is platooning that deep. All the Power 5 schools platoon and rotate very similarly to an NFL squad.
gorgon wrote: Kelly has full control in Philly now. Eek.
And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.
Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.
No college team is platooning that deep. All the Power 5 schools platoon and rotate very similarly to an NFL squad.
I don't think you understand. Top college programs can and do have star RBs with 4- and 5-star recruits right behind them. Free agency, the salary cap, and a level and structured method of new talent acquisition (draft vs. recruiting) make it very difficult to stockpile talent in the NFL.
To wit, in college Kelly could lose a couple OGs and know that the next guys up would be almost as good. The two guys he has replacing Herremans and Mathis are utter disasters. Welcome to the NFL.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: And on the ratings thing... yeah, I can kind of see what you're saying, although we can of course cherry pick some places where they've been pretty successful without a "franchise" qb. Then again, some cities are just simply known historically for certain aspects of the game. Big Ben wasn't your typical franchise QB, because Pittsburgh is known for its defensive football, IMO, he's come into that role because the long standing defensive vets have largely retired off. Baltimore also comes to mind as Ray Lewis was much more the "franchise" guy than whoever they had at qb when they won a SB. Same thing with Tampa Bay... they were known for their Defense.
Yeah, having watched basically every game of Roethlisberger's career, I can say confidently that he's always had elite passing skills, even as some tried to label him a "game manager" early in his career. In reality, the guy's instincts are all gunslinger a la Brett Favre, it's just that the Steelers organization has always deployed more resources into defense and strove for a run-focused offense.
What you're seeing now is much more organizational focus on developing an elite offense, and what Roethlisberger can do when gifted with more talented skill position players around him. Yesterday the Steelers had 5 plays over 35 yards, and Roethlisberger was something like 5 of 6 for 200-odd yards passing just on those plays. And that was without Bell or Bryant in the lineup, both of whom are legit difference makers.
The fact that Tomlin has the Steelers trying 2 pt conversions often shows a completely different mindset in Pittsburgh, and one that makes sense based on the team's personnel.
Best case it's an MCL injury and he's back in about 4 weeks. I think a break has been ruled out. If the ACL is torn, he's done. But it *seems* like the ACL might be okay.
There are times that it's good to be built like a moose, and this is one of them. Just gotta keep the fingers crossed.
Alpharius wrote: Ben Roethlisberger is very durable - so it would have to be something really bad to keep him out beyond the rest of this game.
Having said that - it looked pretty nasty...
I don't want to outright say the Rams player did that intentionally... But I do think he could have stopped short of where he did. Was watching the tail end of the Tennessee game, and it looked like an almost identical type "twisting" injury happened to one of the Titans running backs as well.
Let's just hope this isn't the year of blown knees.
Alpharius wrote: Ben Roethlisberger is very durable - so it would have to be something really bad to keep him out beyond the rest of this game.
Having said that - it looked pretty nasty...
I don't want to outright say the Rams player did that intentionally... But I do think he could have stopped short of where he did. Was watching the tail end of the Tennessee game, and it looked like an almost identical type "twisting" injury happened to one of the Titans running backs as well.
I'll hold my tongue on the matter. I will say that if it had been Manning, or Brady, or maybe even Rodgers, there'd have been a flag thrown. But that's how it's always been with Roethlisberger...Ngata rearranging his nose in that playoff game without a flag was perhaps the most famous example, but not nearly the only one.
I'll hold my tongue on the matter. I will say that if it had been Manning, or Brady, or maybe even Rodgers, there'd have been a flag thrown. But that's how it's always been with Roethlisberger...Ngata rearranging his nose in that playoff game without a flag was perhaps the most famous example, but not nearly the only one.
I can't really disagree with ya there... Apparently my 'hawks have been kinda crap today..
There was no flag on that play? Crazy, that was very similar to the pollard hit on Brady in 2008 except baron didn't have a guy on his back while he was bear crawl lunging which a plane which there was a flag thrown. Really hoping it's just an MCL sprain and not a tear of some sort, it would be a shame to see that happen.
Get Bell back, lose Big Ben.. I live near Pittsburgh you should hear the chatter around here how the season is over for our Steelers. Will be intresting on Thursday night to see if Vick can lead the team to victory. Vick has the experience but he is not Big Ben.
Chute82 wrote: Get Bell back, lose Big Ben.. I live near Pittsburgh you should hear the chatter around here how the season is over for our Steelers. Will be intresting on Thursday night to see if Vick can lead the team to victory. Vick has the experience but he is not Big Ben.
Well, the verdict is an MCL sprain and a bone bruise. The sprain would usually be 2-4 weeks, but the bruise complicates things and so they're saying 4-6. Probably about as good as they could have hoped for.
BR being BR, he'll probably be back in about 4. Just gotta play .500 ball the next 4 weeks. Vick will have an embarrassment of riches around him at the skill positions, and a young defense that while flawed is starting to play some good football.
The schedule however -- Ravens, @Chargers, Cards, @Chiefs -- isn't very friendly.
Alpharius wrote: Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with them being 0-3, it is just a bit surprising!
In fact, I think I read that before yesterday, they were the only team to have *never* started a season by going 0-3!
Yeah, its a first that we're 0-3. Its a bummer, but could be worse. I expect an 8-8 year at best at this point. Maybe do some spoilering late in the season.
Vick has never beat the Ravens, so if the Ravens were looking to have more of their notable streaks ended this year, this is one more to add to the pile.
I don't think you understand. Top college programs can and do have star RBs with 4- and 5-star recruits right behind them. Free agency, the salary cap, and a level and structured method of new talent acquisition (draft vs. recruiting) make it very difficult to stockpile talent in the NFL.
No, I understand.
I'm just saying you're wrong.
If you think having 4 and 5 start talent automatically makes you good, I'll point you to Texas.
GD weather... I just needed Miller to get a TD... ONE TD....
Also, Time for Wilson to take a rest.
As for actual games, EVERYBODY knows not to give Eli the ball with 1:30 left. SF should have run it three/four times.
Ah well, Philly is now only one game out of first (ok, second, Dallas is on bye and has a win over Philly) and they play NYG on Monday.
That game was so absurd. That fake punt play had me laughing so hard I was crying for 10 minutes. The play had to be called "plthhhhhpoooop" which just translates to the sound of the center crapping his pants.
Steelers win with the 3rd string QB... Vick just can't throw the ball had -6 passing yards the first half. I'm glad Vick hurt himself gave Jones a chance to shine. If Big Ben can't play next week they better start Jones over Vick.
I was at the game. It was great to see Jones play well, but I also won't be shocked if he disappoints next week. I felt like half of his success was due to the change of pace he created after the plodding offense they ran with Vick at the helm. Jones will get starter reps in practice this week, but the Chiefs will also be gameplanning for him, which is a different thing than he faced yesterday. I expect a conservative offense again if #7 can't go.
Still, the Steelers are getting better all the time, and look like they could be very strong after Roethlisberger returns and gets back on track.
Chute82 wrote: Steelers win with the 3rd string QB... Vick just can't throw the ball had -6 passing yards the first half. I'm glad Vick hurt himself gave Jones a chance to shine. If Big Ben can't play next week they better start Jones over Vick.
Chancetragedy wrote: That game was so absurd. That fake punt play had me laughing so hard I was crying for 10 minutes. The play had to be called "plthhhhhpoooop" which just translates to the sound of the center crapping his pants.
I facepalmed pretty hard. Typical crap playcalling comes and bites us in the rear, as usual. It was so disappointing to see after we had the ball rolling early.
Alpharius wrote: ...but not really all that much in the 2nd half, so in the end, it probably didn't matter much?
Except for the laughs, of course!
It was absolutely bad playcalling. Our weakness has been our O-line and Pep Hamilton's unwillingness to do anything other than throw deep passes. Had we kept to crossing routes, screens and runs it probably would have gone better.
Yah you guys had all the momentum in the first half. I was actually pretty impressed. Sure it was aided by that rediculous bobble by Edelman that Adams took to the house. But still much tighter game than I was expecting.
I agree that play was bad play calling, the pats are one of the best coached teams in the NFL they aren't getting fooled on a fake punt they are expecting that's for sure. Mcafee is one of the best punters in the game and is a serious field position weapon. Just let him kick it.
Also what the heck was the deal with the officiating, not giving the colts that insides kick, the ticky tack PI, the multiple clock missteps. Really bad looks continue for the NFL's officiating crews.
Wow, Philly goes Last to First in a couple of games. NFC East is going to be a brawl going to the wire.
Saw a clip of that Colts play done by a high school team, Anderson was out of place and nearly fumbled the snap. He should have been about ten yards back. Not that it mattered, The Illegal Formation call killed the potential.
FFL: Geez, Second highest score and STILL lost. At one point, I was within 10 points of a hard fought win.
In 4 out of 6 matchups, I lost to either the Highest scorer, or the second highest. And kept it close enough to not be a victim of the Biggest Blowout.
Alpharius wrote: Combo of ridiculous play call to lose the Super Bowl + bad 2015 so far for the Seahawks?
Not really... I mean, even though I'm around Seattle, and see the Hawks games on TV, I'm more able to watch more of the other games, and college games. I've never been one to get too up or too down when my team is doing well/poor... I'm pretty even keel about these things.
I've been somewhat vocal on these boards about how piss poor the officiating has been, combined with being so fething tired of hearing about deflated anything or even ANYTHING related to anyone with the name of Tom and Brady, in that order. I honestly think that the best part of football this season has been pregame shows. Terry Bradshaw's rant on Greg Hardy was spot fething on (IMO), and the fact that dude is still playing shows the lack of character many teams, and the league has as a whole.
Then again, having a ridiculously awesome baseball post-season this year (despite my team being out of it) may have something to do with not caring.
Weren't people wondering early last year what was wrong with the Seahawks, though?
Granted, they were better then than what they've shown this season, but they're too talented to count out, especially in a year with so much mediocrity going on.
There's lots of football left to be played. And what seems to be absolute truth in week 7 won't necessarily be the case in week 17.
gorgon wrote: Weren't people wondering early last year what was wrong with the Seahawks, though?
Granted, they were better then than what they've shown this season, but they're too talented to count out, especially in a year with so much mediocrity going on.
There's lots of football left to be played. And what seems to be absolute truth in week 7 won't necessarily be the case in week 17.
gorgon wrote: Weren't people wondering early last year what was wrong with the Seahawks, though?
Granted, they were better then than what they've shown this season, but they're too talented to count out, especially in a year with so much mediocrity going on.
There's lots of football left to be played. And what seems to be absolute truth in week 7 won't necessarily be the case in week 17.
is spot on!
We're 'only' in Week 7 right?
Looooong way to go still!
Especially since "we" have the 9ers on Thursday, which means we ought to be heading back in the right direction
gorgon wrote: Weren't people wondering early last year what was wrong with the Seahawks, though?
Granted, they were better then than what they've shown this season, but they're too talented to count out, especially in a year with so much mediocrity going on.
There's lots of football left to be played. And what seems to be absolute truth in week 7 won't necessarily be the case in week 17.
is spot on!
We're 'only' in Week 7 right?
Looooong way to go still!
Just a few years ago the Ravens LIMPED into the playoffs (they really struggled down the stretch, look it up) and won the whole thing. You don't even have to go in on a hot streak anymore.
And look at the league this year. The Pats seem to be the best team, but we've seen more loaded Pats teams get upset. And more than ever, it's any given Sunday in the NFL. Even if your team is struggling some right now, if you think it's got talent...it's probably unwise to count them out.
Cripes, in 1995 the Steelers were 3-4, then went 8-1 down the stretch and made it to the SB. In 2005, they were 7-5 and then never lost again. All NFL seasons have twists and turns, some of them major.
Manning followed by Luck, and Farve followed by Rogers.
That gak doesn't just happen!
Looking at you, Carr and Schaub!
The only real difference there though, is that Rodgers had, IIRC, 2 or 3 seasons behind Favre before being let go. Majority of teams aren't nearly so lucky.
Manning followed by Luck, and Farve followed by Rogers.
That gak doesn't just happen!
Looking at you, Carr and Schaub!
The only real difference there though, is that Rodgers had, IIRC, 2 or 3 seasons behind Favre before being let go. Majority of teams aren't nearly so lucky.
Rodgers was also a late first round pick. The Packers did the opposite of tanking that season.
kronk wrote: MY POINT was that teams aren't supposed to have 2 good QB's in a row. That's selfish!
See also: Joe Montana - Steve Young.
The Steelers went 22 years between Bradshaw and Roethlisberger. And not coincidentally never won a SB in between those two, despite fielding some very strong teams.
Long term, I don't think the NFL is on a good trend here. Their rules changes have strongly favored teams with elite passers, but the college ranks aren't producing pro-style passers like they used to. Now you have to project whether a guy who never took a snap under center and barely ever had to look past his primary receiver can translate to a pro-style passing game. So QBs bust more than ever.
Where's the next group of great passers coming up? Andrew Luck (who is a little overrated, but I still put him here)...and...? You have guys like Bortles and Carr who show signs, but it's too early to tell. Brady says he wants to play another 10 years, and at this point he almost could. Other than Manning falling apart since last season, the list of the best passers hasn't really changed in years.
And while we can expect some aspects of college offenses to become part of NFL playbooks, I'm not sure that they'll take over. The athletes on defense are too good in the NFL, and run-first QBs are catastrophic injuries waiting to happen. The NFL still needs pro-style QBs...there are just fewer and fewer of them.
Manning followed by Luck, and Farve followed by Rogers.
That gak doesn't just happen!
Looking at you, Carr and Schaub!
The only real difference there though, is that Rodgers had, IIRC, 2 or 3 seasons behind Favre before being let go. Majority of teams aren't nearly so lucky.
Rodgers was also a late first round pick. The Packers did the opposite of tanking that season.
Number 22 overall or whatever Rodgers was drafted is considered late round pick now?
Edit: 24 overall, I guess that is late in the round. I think of rounds 4-7 as later round picks, maybe that's just me. It looks like your point stands!
Manning followed by Luck, and Farve followed by Rogers.
That gak doesn't just happen!
Looking at you, Carr and Schaub!
The only real difference there though, is that Rodgers had, IIRC, 2 or 3 seasons behind Favre before being let go. Majority of teams aren't nearly so lucky.
Rodgers was also a late first round pick. The Packers did the opposite of tanking that season.
Number 22 overall or whatever Rodgers was drafted is considered late round pick now?
Late FIRST round pick. I think you missed a word, there.
Yeah, honestly, I think most franchises DREAM of being able to do what Green Bay did with Favre to Rodgers.
Look at the Dolphins after Marino. I'm sure San Diego is kind of kicking themselves for deciding on Rivers over Brees, though not entirely.
And yeah, the NFL's rule changes that heavily favor offenses will eventually wear thin on fans. It will wear on many players as well, especially defensive ones who basically aren't "allowed" to play football any more.
TheMeanDM wrote: But his wasnt illegal...the refs are blind and dont communicate.
Replay clearly showed the tackle making the indication that he was eligible...right at the ref who was about 15 feet away and looking at him.
Yeah I saw the replay where the player indicates he was going to be eligible.
But the fact that Harbaugh complained and complained about that play when the Patriots used it, complained to the point of having the rule changed, then ended up stealing the idea in the end - that's why I find it just desserts that even though it was a legal play they got flagged.
FFL: Seems my last place standing comes at a high price ... for my opponents. I have the highest 'points against' stat. The average needed to beat me is currently 125+.
So, Does Mean Machine have what it takes to continue his win streak?
And it would seem, to top it off that a certain Cowboys player is in the news for the wrong reasons for allegedly talking ill of an injured player from another team
well done. That's quite a list!
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