streetsamurai wrote: Ir's really weird that they discontinued the TK range, since it was the undead army that was the more compatible with AOS aesthetics and setting (especially the sphynx, snake statue and ushabti)
I believe it's mainly due to IP protection reasons, GW will never tell us why but I suspect that's the reason because in the first new white dwarf they do an interview with the designer of nagash and the mortarch's and he said they were designed in mind for the aesthetic of the undead in AOS. TK are pretty much Egyptian skeletons.
I suspect when they update death they will be heavily gothic in theme with some small tinge of TK mixed in considering the structures that are seen in shyish.
I don't see it. The newest TK release (bar the tombguard) were much more unique and original than the VC, which are still supported
Baron Klatz wrote: I would like a more fallen empires look for their replacements. Instead of legions of rank-and-file skeletons you get an army of imposing undead heroes from a mix of cultures to base off of the idea of how TK were still rational minded.
That'd give the undead a more versatile faction that can be anywhere from lords making their own kingdoms and spreading Nagash's faith to a twisted version of Sigmar's Stormcast who swear fealty to Nagash to keep from being put in the netherworld.
I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course
To get a good idea of what I think the new vampire models will look like you just have to look at neferata and mannfred heavy gothic theme's with a slight mix of TK thrown in. As the white dwarf said nagash and the mortarch's are going to be the look of the undead going forward. Hence why they kept all the VC stuff since the TK did not mesh with what they are going for. It did not help either that they were one of the poorer selling armies.
streetsamurai wrote: Ir's really weird that they discontinued the TK range, since it was the undead army that was the more compatible with AOS aesthetics and setting (especially the sphynx, snake statue and ushabti)
I believe it's mainly due to IP protection reasons, GW will never tell us why but I suspect that's the reason because in the first new white dwarf they do an interview with the designer of nagash and the mortarch's and he said they were designed in mind for the aesthetic of the undead in AOS. TK are pretty much Egyptian skeletons.
I suspect when they update death they will be heavily gothic in theme with some small tinge of TK mixed in considering the structures that are seen in shyish.
I don't see it. The newest TK release (bar the tombguard) were much more unique and original than the VC, which are still supported
As I said no one knows why GW got rid of them as I said in the previous post the designer of nagash and the mortarch's states that's the aesthetic that's going to be the face for undead in AOS, in my opinion the VC stuff fits that. Even if people don't see it GW feels differently going by the interview. The VC line still clearly fits within the gothic theme they are going for and looking at the various structures and the description of shyish I would say they fit.
The TK are clearly just Egyptian skeletons, now as I said I can't predict the future but as I said when we see new undead models it's going to lean more on the VC line with a bit of TK here and there.
streetsamurai wrote: I don't know, I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.
Well, as I said before GW are aiming for a mix than leaning on one or the other in the white dwarf when describing skeleton's pope's weapons.
"The design of nagash's staff alkanash, harks back to his past as a high priest of khemri, with motifs from both the tomb kings and vampire counts used in the final design"
I personally think they fit fine in the a VC army honestly death is not really VC or TK anymore. Death is pretty much one big happy family again, personally in my eyes nagash and the mortarch's neferata, mannfred and arkhan look pretty gothic to me with a mix of TK thrown in here and there.
Spoiler:
Here is some art of shyish from FEC, Beastclaw and the recent all gates it looks more gothic to me than TK but you can see some influence there. How shyish looks does not scream "TK" to me it seems more reminiscent of counts and a few TK bits. These places are most likely designed by the god of spooky himself and neferata she acts more like a queen with corrupted knights etc than emulating back how she lived in Lahmia.
streetsamurai wrote: Disagreed. I feel that the Morghast and Mortach are a lot more similar to newest TK than with the VC.
I'm going to give you that. Maybe they want to re-tool the entire range but on an entirely different direction?
Honestly my theory is that they are going to re release some of the TK line but they will look different to fit the "theme" of death in AOS case example the liche priest I can see them releasing a new model for him but he would look more like Arkhan and nagash than classical TK.
There's already alot of vampires in the lore. If I recall correctly, there was even a shrine full of monk-ish vampires trying to withhold their bestial nature when the Stormcast sought shelter.
I actually think vampires in AoS are the only kind I like as they actually swing wildly between understandable and human to corrupt and petty which a big step-up from most genres where they are either, evil and must die or corrupt heroes that are massive jerks who you want to die.
I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course
Oh, that's what I meant. Not actual undead Stormcast but their origins as different types of warlords, leaders and heroes made into a army of self-aware skeleton warriors. A kind of mockery of Sigmar's army.
There's already alot of vampires in the lore. If I recall correctly, there was even a shrine full of monk-ish vampires trying to withhold their bestial nature when the Stormcast sought shelter.
I actually think vampires in AoS are the only kind I like as they actually swing wildly between understandable and human to corrupt and petty which a big step-up from most genres where they are either, evil and must die or corrupt heroes that are massive jerks who you want to die.
I personally would not like evil stormcast leave the big burly stuff to sigmar and chaos and I think doing such a faction would just upset the death fanbase than anything else, still stuff like this is already in the lore manny and neferata corrupt mortal kings, tribes leaders, knights etc in to vampires etc. Or enthrall them to what ever ends of course
Oh, that's what I meant. Not actual undead Stormcast but their origins as different types of warlords, leaders and heroes made into a army of self-aware skeleton warriors. A kind of mockery of Sigmar's army.
Oh my bad, still nagash needs to reunite the bald vampire and tarsem somehow maybe... that's like one plot that's been pretty much left hanging. I wonder for night haunt it would be cool to have a hero who is possessing his old armor in a sense as a spirit like broken lords from endless legend. Yeah as you said vampires have appeared and it's quite interesting how the people of shyish view the undead compared to other mortals.
I know a few people who are leaving today to head to Shaumberg, despite being only a few ours from GR. Gotta get there to make sure everything survives, fix any issues, and then relax in the wonderful district until Con-time.
And it's Rumour Wednesday, which is always something to look forward to after long at work posting on Dakka whilst the boss can't say owt because you're still twice as productive as the next closest colleague!
Oh man, I really dig that Blight King on horse. I'd say "uuuh, artists can only show what GW produces as models", but I doubt there'll be such a kit - and the horse head looks like a regular chaos knight bit. Does GW allow conversions to be depicted in their artwork now And that moss green armour with orange-y flesh, I think I found my paint scheme. If only I had a spare armoured chaos horse lying around, I'd do a Knight King right now.
I'm looking forward to more pics of the new Dwarfs, but I also made up my mind about this release: everything with regular dudes is (aether) gold (though I don't like a few of the support guns while really liking some others, let's see how the sprues are made up), but I don't like a single character model. The armours and the chainsword are just too much. A more diving suit aesthetic and a more linear tech progression from the Arkanauts would have been better, IMO. The Khemyst and navigator on the other hand are not crazy enough! More glass orbs and a pet made of living liquid (mercury?) shoud be standard for a crazy dwarf handling alchemy in a world as crazy as GW makes the AoS setting.
If I ever get around to a small band of arctic explorers that attach super-hybrid sub/boat/floater vessels to a giant submarine and operate from it as a base to hunt warp whales for their Ambergris in the fjords of Norsca and the chaos wastes (or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live ) I will have to do my own leaders.
PS: Considering I'm working on Rogue Trader KT with void divers (that have yet to be built, though), want to finish the pirate Orcs I started a decade ago and secretly wished for more Swifthawk stuff to go with the weirdly awesome Skycutter those dwarfs are coming both unexpected (no golems?!) and very handy.
Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition?
It's the "Cthulu" Shadow Aelves he's talked about before
God-Emperor above, make it so, my wallet is ready for the FATALITY. I reaaaally hope they are at least as cool as the Kharadron Overlords. (or maybe I should wish they aren't )
(or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live )
Huh, I never knew I wanted that until now...
Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition?
That sound you hear is of a poor wallet gasping it's last breath.
Anyway, good luck to the great people going to Adepticon and make sure to bring back pictures!
motski wrote: Cuthulu elves huh? In that case I wonder if we'll see the artist formerly known as Malekith
Well, looking at him now as the god of shadows along with shard and mistweaver I think the "Cuthulu" theme fits, I do think GW will not go too extreme but we will see influences there. Going by the new warhammer quest malerion seems to be the deity most scourge privateers follow.
Also, on facebook someone noticed that shadespire's background seems to have the same architectural style that Nagash's current citadel has.
Yup, I just recently noticed it as well I am praying for a plastic vampire hero at least that if the new game has that it would be a instant buy for me.
(or the ice wastes down south where the evil pinguin beastmen live )
Huh, I never knew I wanted that until now...
Edit: More upcoming stuff will be shown? Really? Who are you and what have you done to GW And possibly creep-elves that might collude with disgusting Deep ones and as such woud present a thematic threat to the new dwarfs and my pirate Orcs - and the Blood Island elves that I could expand into another sky-fighter sailing expedition?
That sound you hear is of a poor wallet gasping it's last breath.
Anyway, good luck to the great people going to Adepticon and make sure to bring back pictures!
Money is less of an issue than time. My wallet could take some more, GW, like "Mordheim revival" more!
Soon I'll actually get paid (a pittance) for doing the same stuff as before! In a year I should be an assistant doctor, with a nice, steady income...and no free time at all Especially with my need to kitbash, saw, splice and sculpt figures instead of just building them and actually getting an army done. Even as a student I can afford more plastic* than I can afford to spend time on, sooo a massive backlog of converted minis and half-opened sprues and a dozen started projects is nothing to be ashamed of, right? Right?! And those elves can probably be allied with the dwarfs or my existing orcs, so it's not really anther project, right?
*buying from the UK makes stuff feel almost reasonably priced, especially the older stuff which is cheap as chips with discounts and/or bundles
My friends only play 40k at this moment in time but I'm going to proxy the Kharadron as a 40k army since they fit the theme so well.
Any ideas which army would fit best? I am going to rename the rules for the army to match the duardin. Could definitely use the Thunderers as Devastators and the Admiral definitely has a Thunder Hammer
Aetheric Navigator would be an awesome techmarine.. they do seem to fit Space Marines best
Well we don't know what type of aelf it will be I think it's most likely going to be malerion's lot but I can also see it might be the slaaneshi cult related. But it's pretty clear that it's an aelf image all the motifs are there.
shinros wrote: Well we don't know what type of aelf it will be I think it's most likely going to be malerion's lot but I can also see it might be the slaaneshi cult related. But it's pretty clear that it's an aelf image all the motifs are there.
I'm just going by the fact that the colour scheme seems almost a carbon copy from the daemonettes' but I have that vibe.
shinros wrote: Well we don't know what type of aelf it will be I think it's most likely going to be malerion's lot but I can also see it might be the slaaneshi cult related. But it's pretty clear that it's an aelf image all the motifs are there.
I'm just going by the fact that the colour scheme seems almost a carbon copy from the daemonettes' but I have that vibe.
If it was slaaneshi elves it would make me the most happiest guy ever, but I think aelf players have been waiting long enough and I do think the animal looks quite draconic, it's also sporting colours similar to malerion.
shinros wrote: Well we don't know what type of aelf it will be I think it's most likely going to be malerion's lot but I can also see it might be the slaaneshi cult related. But it's pretty clear that it's an aelf image all the motifs are there.
I'm just going by the fact that the colour scheme seems almost a carbon copy from the daemonettes' but I have that vibe.
Its close to Tenebrael Shards paint scheme as well.
shinros wrote: Well we don't know what type of aelf it will be I think it's most likely going to be malerion's lot but I can also see it might be the slaaneshi cult related. But it's pretty clear that it's an aelf image all the motifs are there.
I'm just going by the fact that the colour scheme seems almost a carbon copy from the daemonettes' but I have that vibe.
Its close to Tenebrael Shards paint scheme as well.
Yeah, getting those same vibes from the image I wish I could freeze myself until the reveal and not worry about work.
Honestly with the shadowkin released I think that would be enough for GW to starting looking at the other alliances *looks at death and destruction* then give older books the "blades of khorne" treatment since their ranges are pretty complete.
Adepticon starts in force tomorrow but today there are some opening bits, open gaming, some seminars today from GW (which hopefully will be repeated). Sadly can't arrive until tomorrow.
Honestly with the shadowkin released I think that would be enough for GW to starting looking at the other alliances *looks at death and destruction* then give older books the "blades of khorne" treatment since their ranges are pretty complete.
To be fair, Death allegiance stuff isn't far off. We've had the rumour engine pic of the Nagash emblem.
I would hope that they don't cram all the Grots together under one book. There's a lot of variation in there, and Destruction need more factions. Then again...maybe it would be alright.
I propose a third Grot army based on the 'normal' ones, with a wolf theme. The Wolftail Clans...or Wolf...claw...well, something wolf.
IIRC, the first "show and tell" is tonight at 8 PM CST. It is 2:45 CST right now.
"If you haven’t already secured your seat, online registration has closed, but there will be a chance to get a spot at the event itself, so be sure to ask at the registration desk when you arrive. There are two Previews – both on Wednesday the 23rd – one at 8:00pm and one at 10:00pm. (Get there early to grab a good seat – it’s easier to heckle from the front!) "
Edit: My buddy and I will try to get in if it's tonight.
Breaking news coming out of AdeptiCon today: more details on the new Shadespire game.
Warhammer Underworlds is a new tactical arena combat game on its way later this year. This is a system designed for balanced, small-scale tactical games, that can be played quickly and easily by anyone, but which even experienced players will find challenging to master. The game rules are designed with competitive play in mind; matches can be played in under 45 minutes, on a smaller surface than our larger-scale games, and will be ideal for club or tournament play. And not only that, we’ll be fully supporting an organised play system for this game, right from day one.
While the format of the game is a big departure from the game of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire is still firmly set in the Mortal Realms. The game is set in the Shadespire – an ancient and damned city, cursed by the Lord of Undeath to eternally sit in limbo between the realms of Light and Shadow – a haunted metropolis of mirrors, unquiet spirits and ever-shifting chambers.
The forces you can use in this game will be drawn from races across the Mortal Realms, including some for factions that have not received any new miniatures since we first ventured into the Age of Sigmar. Each of these sets will be composed of a small band of easy-to-assemble, push-fit miniatures in the style of our single-pose heroes to represent a specific band of warriors from that faction. These are provided in coloured plastic, and clip together, so you can quite literally be playing with them within minutes of opening the box with no glue or paint needed! (Though they do look great painted, and your dice will roll better – probably.)
The first two factions showcased in detail are iconic adversaries: organised Eternals Liberators and Khorne Bloodreavers. You can see from the poses of these models already that these are really dynamic and impressive miniatures. And yes, that is a lady Liberator in the video, organised, with a classic hammer and shield combo – for those of you who might have doubted whether Sigmar was an equal opportunities employer.
The game is played using unique dice and card decks, and these will, to an extent, be unique to each faction. Both decks of cards used in the game are fully customisable – meaning you can choose to create all manner of combinations of overlapping abilities to use and objectives to achieve. This can be a really rewarding part of the game – and means that even the same faction can be played in wildly different ways. We’re expecting to see all sorts of combinations tried out at game stores, clubs and in tournaments.
So, in summary, a new game set in the Mortal Realms with easy to learn, difficult to master rules, combined with deck-building mechanics and multiple factions makes this a game that will be simple to start, but offers near limitless tactical challenge and replayability.
Some lucky folk at AdeptiCon actually got to play the game this week at our Studio Preview – the rest of you will have to wait a little longer to have a go.
For all the latest news on this new game, be sure you’re following the new Warhammer Underworlds Facebook page.
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Bottle wrote: SHADESPIRE is going to be the best thing ever. Cannot wait.
This.
You are showing just how good this new CEO is at his job.
Before the physical sales start, you need to sell the idea that people want it.
Pushing a few pre-coloured models around a couple of pieces of hex overlaid cardboard is "the best thing ever"? I know you love your AoS Bottle, but seriously, this would have been laughed off dakka if any other company tried it.
Bottle wrote: SHADESPIRE is going to be the best thing ever. Cannot wait.
This.
You are showing just how good this new CEO is at his job.
Before the physical sales start, you need to sell the idea that people want it.
Pushing a few pre-coloured models around a couple of pieces of hex overlaid cardboard is "the best thing ever"? I know you love your AoS Bottle, but seriously, this would have been laughed off dakka if any other company tried it.
Imagine how much worse it would be if they made the plastic plain grey and removed the grid. It would be like... Warhammer 40k or something.
It's got me excited (along with everything else shown.).
Cool new set-up with physical cards that hints at future undead and will be expanded upon which means 3 sources of new AoS models (4 if AoS Mordheim drops) and fluff?
My wallet is dead but looks like I'll be serving Nagash to get me on another spending spree.
That Shadespire stuff looks interesting. And more small releases for different factions can't be a bad thing! If they're pried similiar to BB teams a five man squad would be in impulse buy category. And quick assembly without glue will see a TON of kids (or vets) get to buy stuff and play after a demo or new shiny stuff comes out. This could be very healthy for stores and the game itself. Combined with card combos, who knows. Maybe they'll even go the X-Wing route and have you buy minis you don't need to get cards you want
I really, really like the running 2H axe Reaver. The Stormcast boys are okay, the Ladycast is very promising. Her chest (the armour, silly) is an okay mix of practicality (at least no cleavage that funnels arrows into your sternum) and "identify as female from far away".
The forces you can use in this game will be drawn from races across the Mortal Realms, including some for factions that have not received any new miniatures since we first ventured into the Age of Sigmar. Each of these sets will be composed of a small band of easy-to-assemble, push-fit miniatures in the style of our single-pose heroes to represent a specific band of warriors from that faction. These are provided in coloured plastic, and clip together, so you can quite literally be playing with them within minutes of opening the box with no glue or paint needed! (Though they do look great painted, and your dice will roll better – probably.)
This, however, is a bold-faced lie. They KNOW that WE know that painted minis perform WORSE in their first outings! But a band of a dozen models or even less is JUST what I want!
PS: The skellies look interesting, but I'll never not be mad until I get a Necrosphinx.
Initially I wasn't that fussed but actually this could be fantastic- nice quick, accessible game - I could get a few non gaming mates to play. Plus if they are releasing other factions as small sets could be a great way of trying out factions before developing them into full armies. Plus it gives those armies a wider variety of sculpts so even released factions can get a few new models and maybe gets early sample releases of planned factions.
Any news on when the Kharadrons go on preorder yet??
AoS is indeed a quick, accessible and easy to play game that I heartily recommend. There's no need for codexes or force organisational charts or anything like that. You just play with what you have, using the entirely optional generals handbook for points values. It's the only GW game I'm playing at the moment. It's spoiled me. I couldn't go back to 40k in its present state now.
Just confirmed on the stream. Ironclad and frigate are both transports. Ironclad has the largest warscroll in AoS (they had to drop the font size to fit it all onto one page).
Transports have a basic capacity, but can be overburdened which reduces the movement.
Skyriggers clamp onto the side of the airship and don't count towards the capacity.
Ironclad is on an Imperial Knight base and overhangs it - so it is seriously massive!
Next Stream reveal. New Battletome is very comprehensive, it's got a painting and modelling guide and a tactics guide too.
Each unit is airborne, so all units on foot come in an airship of somekind (sorry, I didn't what airships go with each unit).
This actually means we might see units packaged with the appropriate airship - which explains why the airships don't appear to come out of the same set of parts.
Kharadron Overlords pick a city they come from and receive rules from "the code" based on that choice.
They're also slightly larger than previous Duardin.
Edit - new info:
A tiny snippet now - one of the sky ports has a Fyreslayer lodge in it.
None of the "listed" colour schemes are red, however there's nothing stopping you creating your own sky port!
WarhammerTV will cover the larger Kharadron units but the colour schemes aren't planned (so request them on Facebook).
The impression I got from listening to Eddie was that each unit will start the game in an airship and the type they begin the game in will be whatever their "own" airship is (same as 40k dedicated transports), during the game there won't be an restriction
I'm interested by Shadespire - but for me it's going to stand or fall on it's expansion packs.
It doesn't matter how good the game is, if they go down the FFG route of 'see this card....make your fleet dead good....shame it's bundled with a ship not even for your faction...' or worse 'you're right, Boxed Set C is a bit lacklustre. Tell you what, we'll sort that out for you, but you'll need to buy Boxed Set H.....'
Yeaaaah, I'm really worried about those ships now, I'll have to wait and see how the rules are because... again, Ironjawz have 2 ranged units: Shaman and Cabbage. I feel the game would be a wee bit weird if it consisted of dwarves spamming me with big bada-booms until last turn where they'd drop and claim objective
TheDraconicLord wrote: Yeaaaah, I'm really worried about those ships now, I'll have to wait and see how the rules are because... again, Ironjawz have 2 ranged units: Shaman and Cabbage. I feel the game would be a wee bit weird if it consisted of dwarves spamming me with big bada-booms until last turn where they'd drop and claim objective
Nah, that won't stop us? They bring range? Send in the piggies and a gordrakk! Heck, this may even mean a good reason to bring gorefists.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm interested by Shadespire - but for me it's going to stand or fall on it's expansion packs.
It doesn't matter how good the game is, if they go down the FFG route of 'see this card....make your fleet dead good....shame it's bundled with a ship not even for your faction...' or worse 'you're right, Boxed Set C is a bit lacklustre. Tell you what, we'll sort that out for you, but you'll need to buy Boxed Set H.....'
Too mercenary for me.
I think they idea here is that the additional factions would come with their own unique cards (and apparently dice as well) you'd then mix with the base set cards. So if you're set on playing Stormcasts, you won't have to worry about the contents of a future Skaven expansion. At least that's what I got from the blurb.
I doubt having Kharadron units be in transports will be mandatory, but rather something to do with allegiance (maybe mandatory with allegiance?) so that generic Order armies can still use them without bringing a frigate.
Bottle wrote: SHADESPIRE is going to be the best thing ever. Cannot wait.
This.
You are showing just how good this new CEO is at his job.
Before the physical sales start, you need to sell the idea that people want it.
Pushing a few pre-coloured models around a couple of pieces of hex overlaid cardboard is "the best thing ever"? I know you love your AoS Bottle, but seriously, this would have been laughed off dakka if any other company tried it.
That's what I was thinking? What is so interesting with Shadespire. Seems really boring thus far.
Bottle wrote: SHADESPIRE is going to be the best thing ever. Cannot wait.
This.
You are showing just how good this new CEO is at his job.
Before the physical sales start, you need to sell the idea that people want it.
Pushing a few pre-coloured models around a couple of pieces of hex overlaid cardboard is "the best thing ever"? I know you love your AoS Bottle, but seriously, this would have been laughed off dakka if any other company tried it.
That's what I was thinking? What is so interesting with Shadespire. Seems really boring thus far.
Reasons why I think Shadespire will be awesome.
1. It's low model count - I can lavish my paint jobs and collect multiple factions.
2. The models look amazing - each one is like a character sculpt. Check out those bloodreavers!
3. Tight, tactical, competitive play. I love playing competitively!
4. Deck building mechanics. Lots of meta game to sink your teeth into.
5. Organised play. I love tournaments and would love to play this at events too.
6. 45min game time. I can play this on my lunch breaks.
That's why I am excited. The game looks fun and the models look incredible.
I agree with pretty much all of your points bar the 2nd one. I think the models look bad. Even the details look terrible imo (that might only be due to the coloured plastic though).
And since im a modeler first and a gamer second, that's why I,m disapointed with the game so far. Was expecting to see some cool new things, instead of the done to death sigmarines and khorne marauders.
Though, as you said, the rules of the game does seems to have some potential.
SeanDrake wrote: So shadespire is AoS version of imperial assault and seems to exist just to get a dig in at ffg for making wargames.
Also given how overpriced FFG's collectable stuff is I would guess GW's price is going to be eye watering.
Will wait for the 1st expansions before I make a decision based on price and content.
How heavy is that chip? You thinking about getting it removed?
Not sure what you have taken offence too?
It certainly looks like one of FFG's games from individual minis with specific cards right down to the "core set" on the cover, if that observation came as a surprise I suggest you unknot your panties and go check out FFG's website.
If you took offence about my comment that GW product is likely to be even more expensive than FFG then you defiantly have not paid attention for the last 2 decade's.
The last possibility is you feel me not immediately running out and buying a product even if over priced is offensive to you, well if that's the case you are exactly the type of customer GW is looking for, you probably have an iphone as well.
SeanDrake wrote: So shadespire is AoS version of imperial assault and seems to exist just to get a dig in at ffg for making wargames.
Also given how overpriced FFG's collectable stuff is I would guess GW's price is going to be eye watering.
Will wait for the 1st expansions before I make a decision based on price and content.
How heavy is that chip? You thinking about getting it removed?
Not sure what you have taken offence too?
It certainly looks like one of FFG's games from individual minis with specific cards right down to the "core set" on the cover, if that observation came as a surprise I suggest you unknot your panties and go check out FFG's website.
If you took offence about my comment that GW product is likely to be even more expensive than FFG then you defiantly have not paid attention for the last 2 decade's.
The last possibility is you feel me not immediately running out and buying a product even if over priced is offensive to you, well if that's the case you are exactly the type of customer GW is looking for, you probably have an iphone as well.
First off, love that you think you're important enough to be offensive. Great Ego.
Second, it doesn't really look like one of FFG's games, anymore than Planeswalker arena, or Heroscape, or half of the stuff on Kickstarter at any given moment. No *real* comparison other than the deck building aspect, which is hardly new nowadays. Note that gorechosen and Silver tower must also be Imperial assault rip-offs. Oh how GW has fallen.
Third. Did you assume I wore panties because you do? That's an ignorant (and sometimes hypcritical) position that doesn't work too well for other groups, so maybe you could start with, "Hi, I'd really like to make an inappropriate statement about the wearability of your undergarments - boxers or briefs?" I find that reads much better.
Fourth, there are games more expensive than others...and that's okay. Talked with your parents, and this seemed like a good time to tell you. It's okay. They have programs. We'll get through this. *sniffles*.
Finally,
ANDROID.
But while you're 0/5, why not by a lotto ticket?
Think I might get the Stormcast easy to build Liberators set when this comes out. Then I can run them as a five man Liberator squad and a Knight questor errant in regular games. Its just a shame that there's no real reason apart from looks to keep the prime with a hammer and shield.
streetsamurai wrote: I agree with pretty much all of your points bar the 2nd one. I think the models look bad. Even the details look terrible imo (that might only be due to the coloured plastic though).
And since im a modeler first and a gamer second, that's why I,m disapointed with the game so far. Was expecting to see some cool new things, instead of the done to death sigmarines and khorne marauders.
Though, as you said, the rules of the game does seems to have some potential.
If I'm correct, I think that those models were resint cast primed to use in Adepticon. The proper models will be GW coloured plastic, just like BloodBowl or Space Hulk. So I think the quality its secured. From a material standpoint. Everyone will have his tastes in the stormcast/bloodreaver aesthetic and like them more or less.
I'm too a modeler/narrative player first and a gamer second, but this box is maked with the competitive and gamers players in mind, so its obvius a product not ... to us. Not pointed? Argh. I think you understand me.
Future War Cultist wrote: I'm especially looking forward to seeing how transports are going to work in AoS, weird as that sounds. It could be a sneak peak at the future of 40k.
And I don't care how expensive they are, I'm having one of everything Overlord.
Future War Cultist wrote: I'm especially looking forward to seeing how transports are going to work in AoS, weird as that sounds. It could be a sneak peak at the future of 40k.
And I don't care how expensive they are, I'm having one of everything Overlord.
That's a really good point actually.
Yeah, think about it. Transport vehicles confirmed, and what appears to be a wide variety of ranged weapons too. Definitely a possible peak at the future of 40k.
"There are no prices or release dates for the dwarves! Shadow war is £90 or $150 and preorder is 1st April."
"It has prices and such for shadow war, sector mechanicus and galvanic magnavent. The dwarves arent in planet warhammer but they are a cover feature with no prices or dates."
"There are no prices or release dates for the dwarves! Shadow war is £90 or $150 and preorder is 1st April."
"It has prices and such for shadow war, sector mechanicus and galvanic magnavent. The dwarves arent in planet warhammer but they are a cover feature with no prices or dates."
"There are no prices or release dates for the dwarves! Shadow war is £90 or $150 and preorder is 1st April."
"It has prices and such for shadow war, sector mechanicus and galvanic magnavent. The dwarves arent in planet warhammer but they are a cover feature with no prices or dates."
That seems odd to say the least.
The khorne book is also 1st April preorder. They are doing warscroll card packs for the them and the Duardin. The Duardin card pack is listed as 8th April preorder. It would be very weird to get them a week before the book and the minis.
End of April would be awkward (in a first world problems sort of way) as I'll be off to Salute around that time frame, I don't want to have to budget more carefully than I'm forced to!
Oh, very nice! The more background lore I read on them the more I want to buy them.
I like that they actually weaponized gold by taking advantage of the strange properties of the metal realm. The Dawi finally overcame their goldlust and mastered their limitations at alchemy.
Carnikang wrote: Oh man, John Blanche concept art for these guys? I want a print or two....
Indeed, I like it also because it looks to be based off the pistol version of that, the "duckfoot" , that captains used to discourage mutineys. (Though it also resembles some of Da Vinci's multi-barreled gun designs as well.)
SJM wrote: I like the models, but they're nothing on John Blanche's concept art.
I'm quite the opposite, but then I've always thought Blanche was overrated.
Blanche is an acquired taste. He's quite nice though. Always willing to give you pointers if you want to paint like him.
I feel his artwork tells a story... and it's very good for chaos or creepy stuff.. But as much as I like the redmetal ship it makes them seem far more sinister than an 'order' army should be.
THis is the first army that I feels can make AOS its own thing. Most previous AOS armies either looked like they could fit in WHFB (Orruk, Khorne guys, Sylaneth) and/or were simply atrocious (Sigmarines, Fyreslayers). But this one is maginificient looking and different enough from everything we ever saw in WHFB.
Sorry, but I thought it was the fastest way to show the other pic and provide evidence of the dates for the warscroll cards. Did not mean to clutter the thread!
streetsamurai wrote: THis is the first army that I feels can make AOS its own thing. Most previous AOS armies either looked like they could fit in WHFB (Orruk, Khorne guys, Sylaneth) and/or were simply atrocious (Sigmarines, Fyreslayers). But this one is maginificient looking and different enough from everything we ever saw in WHFB.
This could be an inflection point
Haha, I hope that doesn't mean you'll get mad at any regular human army that gets released.
Not too impressed at all by the artwork of the duardin standing in front of the suit. Looks like some fanart from deviantart or something. Just not a fan of the digital art where it lacks a certain texture and sharp painterly look.
They have all their in house artists coming up with the ideas and concepts like Blanche, and a couple others. Then models are made off the concepts. But final codex/book art has to be based off the models, and is often outsourced to freelance artists or something. The result is art that is okay, passable. But doesn't achieve anything great or inspire.
I remember when the art used to be rich and overloaded with little details and character. Now I just look at it for a second and then flip the page.
Before, they make the art first, and then the models. You had art with no model asociated.
Now, freelancer artists and all that, have to make art corresponding to the models, and to take inspiration they look the models. And the proportions and details that work in a model of 3cm, just doesn't work translated to a complete drawing.
Before, they make the art first, and then the models. You had art with no model asociated.
Now, freelancer artists and all that, have to make art corresponding to the models, and to take inspiration they look the models. And the proportions and details that work in a model of 3cm, just doesn't work translated to a complete drawing.
PD: GW, bring Kopinski back T.T
Creativity and quality died when GW moved from good art to soulless glorified product advertisements.
Take a book, pull out the best 25% of images, make 2/3 of them black and white, and delete the rest. That is what we used to have. The gorgeous artwork is still there in abundance, people just like to complain that not all of the art is that good. But really even that is not the case. Actually take a paperback codex or army book and look through it. A lot of the art is nice, but the majority is recycled with the nicest pieces being used over and over in successive generations while other pieces which don't look as good fill in the gaps. The fluff is the same way.
Or in other words: pull off your rose goggles and realize we have more now than we used to.
Before, they make the art first, and then the models. You had art with no model asociated.
Now, freelancer artists and all that, have to make art corresponding to the models, and to take inspiration they look the models. And the proportions and details that work in a model of 3cm, just doesn't work translated to a complete drawing.
PD: GW, bring Kopinski back T.T
Creativity and quality died when GW moved from good art to soulless glorified product advertisements.
The way I see it there are four problems with current GW art.
1. Colour only. 2. More art. There is at least 5 times as much art as before. 3. Only art of existing minis. 4. competition from other companies.
Seeing black and white sketch art of characters without minis in the new warhammer quest made me very happy. Hopefully we will see more of this in the future.
Wait, how's number 2 a problem? [Edit]:Hmm, I guess quantity over quality?
Anyway, agreed on the awesome sketch art of things outside the model range.
Alot of the artwork is hit or miss instead of the past's constant hits (aside from the rpg stuff) but there is alot of it and some pieces are really gorgeous or just well done so I can't really complain.
I will agree there are more misses than before (and some of the early ones were objectively terrible). The older books had their misses as well, though the avoided that somewhat by building up a base of good art carried forward from previous editions. I'd say ten years ago only the top margin made the cut, now it all goes in.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Take a book, pull out the best 25% of images, make 2/3 of them black and white, and delete the rest. That is what we used to have. The gorgeous artwork is still there in abundance, people just like to complain that not all of the art is that good. But really even that is not the case. Actually take a paperback codex or army book and look through it. A lot of the art is nice, but the majority is recycled with the nicest pieces being used over and over in successive generations while other pieces which don't look as good fill in the gaps. The fluff is the same way.
Or in other words: pull off your rose goggles and realize we have more now than we used to.
yes we have more, but a lot of the new ones are not up to par (curse of the wolfen was particuliarly full of atrocious art). But i disgree about the dwarf in front of his armour. I think it is a tremendous piece
Are the artist really freelancers? The custodians and sisters of silence look so exact to the art that it almost seems to me like the used the CG model used to make molds for the art.
(which kinda has me wondering if there is a CG Emperor just waiting to be made into a mold based on the Emperor model on the cover of “master of mankind”...)
Indeed, I wonder if future novels about them will make those little fellows the underdogs or the cannonfodder? If Man-of-war and 40k fleet stories are anything to go by they won't last long.
Now imagine a cruiser, ship-of-the-line, and man-o-war classes. It would also be so cool to get like an FW style Helicarrier done to the style of the Kharadron.
I am expecting Skaven later this year, and as far as I know there will be "some" repacks but also plenty of nasty new additions (I seem to recall it's much more of a Skyre type affair this time around with new technologies/weapons etc.) but I wouldn't be surprised to see some new plague monk type things. These currently seem to be the favoured skaven subfactions for GW, hopefully the new book will clarify what Skaven are like in the new setting and their backstory from leaving the old world and what they've done since arrival etc.
GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
If I had one gripe with the background of AoS though, it was GW bringing the horned rat into the chaos pantheon. I always thought that the horned rat was nurgle in disguise. I'm probably wrong on that though.
But yeah, Kharadron Overlords! Remember that pic of a steampunky looking dwarf thing that we all thought would be a golem or something? Now we know it was a balloon!
When I get mine I'm doing it properly, and that includes giving the ships khazalid names. What's Khazalid for Queen Anne's Revenge?
I am expecting Skaven later this year, and as far as I know there will be "some" repacks but also plenty of nasty new additions (I seem to recall it's much more of a Skyre type affair this time around with new technologies/weapons etc.) but I wouldn't be surprised to see some new plague monk type things. These currently seem to be the favoured skaven subfactions for GW, hopefully the new book will clarify what Skaven are like in the new setting and their backstory from leaving the old world and what they've done since arrival etc.
Considering Skyre looked like this just before the end times and we know GW's newer models were made in mind for AOS it does not surprise me they are doing this. I mean GW did not release stormfiends for no reason if they were not going to do something with the clan and considering Thanquol is riding a similar rat ogre akin to the stormfiends. It also helps that they are really popular looking at tournaments.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
The story goes that that one fine day Jes Goodwin went home to sculpt a rat-themed beastman...
And came back on Monday with a whole new faction.
Prior to that D&D had were rats as a monster but I would say the skaven are a unique mix GW should get full credit for.
Hoping poisoned wind globadiers (sorry, acolytes) are on the release schedule.
Been planning on converting a load more bit it takes a lot of time and work.
I refuse to pay £8 odd per model when I need 30+
More so when they are ancient sculpts and limited poses.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
The story goes that that one fine day Jes Goodwin went home to sculpt a rat-themed beastman...
And came back on Monday with a whole new faction.
Prior to that D&D had were rats as a monster but I would say the skaven are a unique mix GW should get full credit for.
The best ideas can come to you in a flash.
I'm looking at Clan Skyre's options on the GW site, didn't they have more? I could have sworn they had some sort of mortar.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
If I had one gripe with the background of AoS though, it was GW bringing the horned rat into the chaos pantheon. I always thought that the horned rat was nurgle in disguise. I'm probably wrong on that though.
But yeah, Kharadron Overlords! Remember that pic of a steampunky looking dwarf thing that we all thought would be a golem or something? Now we know it was a balloon!
When I get mine I'm doing it properly, and that includes giving the ships khazalid names. What's Khazalid for Queen Anne's Revenge?
GHR was a greater daemon of nurgle who rebelled, IIRC.
Also, it's worth of note that ONLY skaven view the GHR as one of The Four. The rest of chaos still considers slaanesh the fourth god, hence why the varanguard are still trained in the rites of slaanesh and why archaon bears the sigil of slaansh in his shield and not the GHR's.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
If I had one gripe with the background of AoS though, it was GW bringing the horned rat into the chaos pantheon. I always thought that the horned rat was nurgle in disguise. I'm probably wrong on that though.
But yeah, Kharadron Overlords! Remember that pic of a steampunky looking dwarf thing that we all thought would be a golem or something? Now we know it was a balloon!
When I get mine I'm doing it properly, and that includes giving the ships khazalid names. What's Khazalid for Queen Anne's Revenge?
GHR was a greater daemon of nurgle who rebelled, IIRC.
Also, it's worth of note that ONLY skaven view the GHR as one of The Four. The rest of chaos still considers slaanesh the fourth god, hence why the varanguard are still trained in the rites of slaanesh and why archaon bears the sigil of slaansh in his shield and not the GHR's.
Didn't Archaon spit in the GHR's face when he tired to present him a gift? And then smack him over the head with said gift?
But a rebellious demon of nurgle...see that's more interesting. I would have kept it like that. Eventually aiming to create a GHR model to rival Nagash and Archaon and Queen Nicelegs Beetle-rider.
@ terry
Is that set still available? I hate seeing good plastic models being discontinued.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
The story goes that that one fine day Jes Goodwin went home to sculpt a rat-themed beastman...
And came back on Monday with a whole new faction.
Prior to that D&D had were rats as a monster but I would say the skaven are a unique mix GW should get full credit for.
Skaven were heavily influenced by Fritz Leiber from his Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, and subsequent stories.
Rat men / Wererats are fairly common in fantasy as you noted, But how they have changed in AoS is unknown save for the stuff in the Plague monk book.
Yeah, that chaos pantheon that appeared at AoS' beginning had a crown in place of Slaanesh's symbol and not the Skaven symbol. The Horned rat's just a hanger on, someone else is primed to take that spot if Slaanesh doesn't take it back first.
BrookM wrote: I'm sure someone will barge in sooner or later shrieking something else.
[Edit]: Ninja'd by StupidYellow who had better detail.
There was a discussion a long time ago about a obscure novel that had rodent people want to overthrow mankind, that could've served as inspiration. No doomwheels, warpstone drugs or anything cool, though.
It'll be interesting if this all ties into the chaos power struggle. Shadowkin battling Slaanesh & Tzeentch cultists that want to free it while Skaven sneak in to make sure the GHR stays in power.
If the little boats cost as much as gyrocopters I won't buy any, I think. Same price as a Land Speeder Storm wozld make me buy two or three. The 10 man Grundstok box hopefully costs as much (ideally less, but who am I kidding) as the Neophyte Hybrids box. That'd be insta-buy territory. The big ship is really tempting, if it'd be Glottkin price I'd get one, but I expect Archaon+ (btw, wasn't the baneblade released ten years ago? How much was that in £ on release?). The frigate is neither here nor there, not cute anymore but not yet imposing. If the balloon dudes are the price of a Stormboyz unit that'd be still okay, any more for three and no thanks.
The chars I don't really like, anyway, and new hero kits are sadly stuck in Bananaland-pricing, anyway.
PS: A "boardgame" with a couple of ships at 50% off MRSP or an even bigger discount would be nice, maybe we should let this release flop for the time being
I'm gonna sound like a total fanboy but, I don't care how much they cost. I'm having it all. GW has officially shattered my resistance. You can't wave something like the Overlords in my face and expect me to not jump at it.
Doubt it's gonna flop with the hordes of AoS and 40k players gearing up their wallets.
It's success will probably herald a start collecting box so you can hope for that at least.
@Future War Cultist, agreed on the growing setting before our eyes. So much amazing stuff they can keep adding in and grow the story with. Countless new cities, maps, armies, battles, stories, spin-offs... the future is bright!
Baron Klatz wrote: Doubt it's gonna flop with the hordes of AoS and 40k players gearing up their wallets.
It's success will probably herald a start collecting box so you can hope for that at least.
@Future War Cultist, agreed on the growing setting before our eyes. So much amazing stuff they can keep adding in and grow the story with. Countless new cities, maps, armies, battles, stories, spin-offs... the future is bright!
Skaven were heavily influenced by Fritz Leiber from his Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, and subsequent stories.
Rat men / Wererats are fairly common in fantasy as you noted, But how they have changed in AoS is unknown save for the stuff in the Plague monk book.
Learn something everyday.
Isn't their the Ratking from the Nutcracker also? And did splinter and the ratking from TMNT come before or after GW skaven?
Edit: TMNT ratking first showed up in 1988. The Nutcracker is from 1892.
Baron Klatz wrote: Doubt it's gonna flop with the hordes of AoS and 40k players gearing up their wallets.
It's success will probably herald a start collecting box so you can hope for that at least.
@Future War Cultist, agreed on the growing setting before our eyes. So much amazing stuff they can keep adding in and grow the story with. Countless new cities, maps, armies, battles, stories, spin-offs... the future is bright!
My guess would be for a Start Collecting!: Kharadron Overlords box would be
Little airship
x1 unit of foot soldiers
x1 unit of jump pack guys
maybe x1 character.
If the little boats cost as much as gyrocopters I won't buy any, I think. Same price as a Land Speeder Storm wozld make me buy two or three. The 10 man Grundstok box hopefully costs as much (ideally less, but who am I kidding) as the Neophyte Hybrids box. That'd be insta-buy territory. The big ship is really tempting, if it'd be Glottkin price I'd get one, but I expect Archaon+ (btw, wasn't the baneblade released ten years ago? How much was that in £ on release?). The frigate is neither here nor there, not cute anymore but not yet imposing. If the balloon dudes are the price of a Stormboyz unit that'd be still okay, any more for three and no thanks.
The chars I don't really like, anyway, and new hero kits are sadly stuck in Bananaland-pricing, anyway.
PS: A "boardgame" with a couple of ships at 50% off MRSP or an even bigger discount would be nice, maybe we should let this release flop for the time being
If we can rely on current pricing....
Arkanauts probably £35 for 10, the shooty ones likely £25 for 5, or thereabouts.
If the little boats cost as much as gyrocopters I won't buy any, I think. Same price as a Land Speeder Storm wozld make me buy two or three. The 10 man Grundstok box hopefully costs as much (ideally less, but who am I kidding) as the Neophyte Hybrids box. That'd be insta-buy territory. The big ship is really tempting, if it'd be Glottkin price I'd get one, but I expect Archaon+ (btw, wasn't the baneblade released ten years ago? How much was that in £ on release?). The frigate is neither here nor there, not cute anymore but not yet imposing. If the balloon dudes are the price of a Stormboyz unit that'd be still okay, any more for three and no thanks.
The chars I don't really like, anyway, and new hero kits are sadly stuck in Bananaland-pricing, anyway.
PS: A "boardgame" with a couple of ships at 50% off MRSP or an even bigger discount would be nice, maybe we should let this release flop for the time being
If we can rely on current pricing....
Arkanauts probably £35 for 10, the shooty ones likely £25 for 5, or thereabouts.
You would presume (hope) they've learnt their lesson on Fyreslayer pricing and it'll be more like Tzeentch prices.
If the little boats cost as much as gyrocopters I won't buy any, I think. Same price as a Land Speeder Storm wozld make me buy two or three. The 10 man Grundstok box hopefully costs as much (ideally less, but who am I kidding) as the Neophyte Hybrids box. That'd be insta-buy territory. The big ship is really tempting, if it'd be Glottkin price I'd get one, but I expect Archaon+ (btw, wasn't the baneblade released ten years ago? How much was that in £ on release?). The frigate is neither here nor there, not cute anymore but not yet imposing. If the balloon dudes are the price of a Stormboyz unit that'd be still okay, any more for three and no thanks.
The chars I don't really like, anyway, and new hero kits are sadly stuck in Bananaland-pricing, anyway.
PS: A "boardgame" with a couple of ships at 50% off MRSP or an even bigger discount would be nice, maybe we should let this release flop for the time being
If we can rely on current pricing....
Arkanauts probably £35 for 10, the shooty ones likely £25 for 5, or thereabouts.
IF we can rely on current pricing I expect them to be on par with 40k tacticals/tzaangors and the grundstok to be on par with tree-revenants.
Baron Klatz wrote: Doubt it's gonna flop with the hordes of AoS and 40k players gearing up their wallets.
It's success will probably herald a start collecting box so you can hope for that at least.
@Future War Cultist, agreed on the growing setting before our eyes. So much amazing stuff they can keep adding in and grow the story with. Countless new cities, maps, armies, battles, stories, spin-offs... the future is bright!
My guess would be for a Start Collecting!: Kharadron Overlords box would be
Little airship
x1 unit of foot soldiers
x1 unit of jump pack guys
maybe x1 character.
each start collecting box comes with a character. So most likely:
x1 small or medium ship(depending on the actual size and price)
x1 foot or balloon guys
x1 character
Baron Klatz wrote: Doubt it's gonna flop with the hordes of AoS and 40k players gearing up their wallets.
It's success will probably herald a start collecting box so you can hope for that at least.
@Future War Cultist, agreed on the growing setting before our eyes. So much amazing stuff they can keep adding in and grow the story with. Countless new cities, maps, armies, battles, stories, spin-offs... the future is bright!
My guess would be for a Start Collecting!: Kharadron Overlords box would be
Little airship
x1 unit of foot soldiers
x1 unit of jump pack guys
maybe x1 character.
each start collecting box comes with a character. So most likely:
x1 small or medium ship(depending on the actual size and price)
x1 foot or balloon guys
x1 character
Not always, SC! StD has 4 units. SC! greenskins has 4 units too. SC! FEC can have 3-4 units. It varies a bit.
As a Skryre and Pestilens player those Skaven rumors make me happy. There is an image of spear-wielding plague monks in the battletome that has intrigued me for some time...
In regards to fluff, there has been a decent amount released on Skaven to give the basic idea. At the end of the Old World, Skavenblight moved into the Realm of Chaos as the GHR was (begrudgingly) accepted into the pantheon as the 5th Chaos God. Some disaster took place in Skavenblight shortly after, causing it to end up neither in the Mortal Realms or in the Realm of Chaos but rather in between. From there, Skaven have capitalized on the position by tunnelling between the realms using 'gnaw-holes' that exist outside of conventional reality (but connect to it) and can bypass the need for realmgates entirely. Using these they can pop up potentially anywhere, and accordingly have outposts in all the Realms. The major clans have split up while the warlord clans are now covered under Verminous. Every clan (save Eshin) still has legions of slaves though, while the likes of Skryre/Moulder are still selling products and Eshin still hires out assassins.
So put in other.words, nothing has changed save the Skaven have upgraded from being simply underground to having a 'tunnel' network that exists outside conventional reality.
NinthMusketeer wrote: As a Skryre and Pestilens player those Skaven rumors make me happy. There is an image of spear-wielding plague monks in the battletome that has intrigued me for some time...
In regards to fluff, there has been a decent amount released on Skaven to give the basic idea. At the end of the Old World, Skavenblight moved into the Realm of Chaos as the GHR was (begrudgingly) accepted into the pantheon as the 5th Chaos God. Some disaster took place in Skavenblight shortly after, causing it to end up neither in the Mortal Realms or in the Realm of Chaos but rather in between. From there, Skaven have capitalized on the position by tunnelling between the realms using 'gnaw-holes' that exist outside of conventional reality (but connect to it) and can bypass the need for realmgates entirely. Using these they can pop up potentially anywhere, and accordingly have outposts in all the Realms. The major clans have split up while the warlord clans are now covered under Verminous. Every clan (save Eshin) still has legions of slaves though, while the likes of Skryre/Moulder are still selling products and Eshin still hires out assassins.
So put in other.words, nothing has changed save the Skaven have upgraded from being simply underground to having a 'tunnel' network that exists outside conventional reality.
And they're still 100% back-stabbing own worst enemies!
When Skryre gets it's Battletome, I can see myself dropping big money on them. Only reason I don't have a Skaven army at the moment is my old one was stolen whilst I was on the GW Management Training Course in 2010, and it upset me to the point of not having the will to start collecting again.
NinthMusketeer wrote: As a Skryre and Pestilens player those Skaven rumors make me happy. There is an image of spear-wielding plague monks in the battletome that has intrigued me for some time...
In regards to fluff, there has been a decent amount released on Skaven to give the basic idea. At the end of the Old World, Skavenblight moved into the Realm of Chaos as the GHR was (begrudgingly) accepted into the pantheon as the 5th Chaos God. Some disaster took place in Skavenblight shortly after, causing it to end up neither in the Mortal Realms or in the Realm of Chaos but rather in between. From there, Skaven have capitalized on the position by tunnelling between the realms using 'gnaw-holes' that exist outside of conventional reality (but connect to it) and can bypass the need for realmgates entirely. Using these they can pop up potentially anywhere, and accordingly have outposts in all the Realms. The major clans have split up while the warlord clans are now covered under Verminous. Every clan (save Eshin) still has legions of slaves though, while the likes of Skryre/Moulder are still selling products and Eshin still hires out assassins.
So put in other.words, nothing has changed save the Skaven have upgraded from being simply underground to having a 'tunnel' network that exists outside conventional reality.
And they're still 100% back-stabbing own worst enemies!
When Skryre gets it's Battletome, I can see myself dropping big money on them. Only reason I don't have a Skaven army at the moment is my old one was stolen whilst I was on the GW Management Training Course in 2010, and it upset me to the point of not having the will to start collecting again.
*sad squeak*
I regret-regret that. I deft-defiantly didN'T (well, probably didn't) steal them.
I guess I'm going to finally have to take serious look at AoS...
Oh great! Now all my Chaos heroes are Alpharius.
zamerion wrote:Thanks for the info BrookM
Also Hastings said this:
I am expecting Skaven later this year, and as far as I know there will be "some" repacks but also plenty of nasty new additions (I seem to recall it's much more of a Skyre type affair this time around with new technologies/weapons etc.) but I wouldn't be surprised to see some new plague monk type things. These currently seem to be the favoured skaven subfactions for GW, hopefully the new book will clarify what Skaven are like in the new setting and their backstory from leaving the old world and what they've done since arrival etc.
Sweet! Another army to add to the Legion of Rusted Chains! One of these days, I'll actually right down my head canon.
overtyrant wrote:They might do an Army Box as it's a new army.
I wouldn't expect any more large army boxes until late next year. We'll probably see more Battleforce boxes like last December, hopefully for Kharadron Overlords and Tzeentch Arcanites, as well as SC boxes for both armies.
unmercifulconker wrote: Urrggh reaaaally crap photees sorry guys but trying to show size of this thing and also tiny snippet of some cool af looking artwork. Get hype!
Spoiler:
Thanks for the pics.
Some info about how the ship works? (as transport)
Just about to read through it properly now, although Im training soon so might not get a chance to post again till tonight sorry but hopefully and im sure someone else has their WD today too.
I really want a monster/mehcanical-heavy Skaven force so new releases will be welcome! I do NOT wish to paint up another horde, but Rat Ogors and Stormfiend-esque things with new war engines would be nice.
Skaven were heavily influenced by Fritz Leiber from his Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, and subsequent stories.
Rat men / Wererats are fairly common in fantasy as you noted, But how they have changed in AoS is unknown save for the stuff in the Plague monk book.
Learn something everyday.
Yeah, original Skaven were basically lifted whole cloth from The Swords of Lankhmar. They live underground, have a 13-member council, walk upright, use "infested" (or blighted) weapons...
But the goal of Warhammer back in the day was to include elements from every major fantasy fiction at the time to get you interested. Hell, early Dark Elves were repackaged Melnibonean models...
Lord Kragan wrote: Buckle up ladies, Brokk Grungsson is coming to town to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and he's all out of bubble gum.
He compares fairly with settra if you ask me.
Not even close. Settra is SUCH a force-multiplier that he's obscene, and Incantation of the Desert Wind makes half the TK units get easy first-turn charges. Almost nothing in AoS is Settra tier. :-p
However, he's awesome looking and a hell of a nova-charging monster/hero hunter.
I love that baloon duardin can hitch a ride on the airships without counting towards the transport capacity
Also really like that the airships can become overburdened if you put to many guys in them. Such a fitting rule and I hope to see Orruk and/or Grot transports in the future using similar rules but with hopefully hilarious results
Funbug No.1 wrote: Does anyone think the 'Skyfarer' keyword on Brokk's warscroll could refer to a particular type of model, in the same way as 'Daemon', for instance?
I recon it refers to the dwarfs in the flying suits.
For sure, but I wonder if there could be Skyfarers in various factions, leading to those models having specific ways of functioning, like 40k flyers, leaving the battlefield only to return from a table edge. Likewise, maybe some abilities might target them specifically, say a lightning storm or something. Just conjecture, but I think it could be interesting.
They mention Grotbag Scuttlers a couple of times, pllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease let there be goblin pirates pleeeeaaaaaaaaaaaassse.
Also sad to say that artwork with the tentacles grabbing the Kharadron ships, they may just be tentacles of a Skykraken that they also keep mentioning. One of the ships also has limpets and barnacles on it.
Makes me hope one day we get a 'Storm of Magic' esque release with various beasties of the realms that we can dominate for our forces.
Also the fluff states the Ironclad is only the biggest machine that can be carried by one endrin. Apart from the sky-ports, the Kharadron have various inventions even bigger than the Ironclad and there are bound to be many secret patterns. So who reckons there will be an eventual apocalypse expansion. Imagine seeing a Kharadron 'Khrundal-class battleship' or a Parasite Engine for the Skaven?
Funbug No.1 wrote: For sure, but I wonder if there could be Skyfarers in various factions, leading to those models having specific ways of functioning, like 40k flyers, leaving the battlefield only to return from a table edge. Likewise, maybe some abilities might target them specifically, say a lightning storm or something. Just conjecture, but I think it could be interesting.
It certainly could. This is why I like the keyword system.
Skyfarer specifically refers to anything which can fly of its own accord. As we've seen they're the things which don't count as taking up transport space on the big flyers.
Funbug No.1 wrote: Does anyone think the 'Skyfarer' keyword on Brokk's warscroll could refer to a particular type of model, in the same way as 'Daemon', for instance?
That, or to distinguish infantry from frigates. Though I'm hoping the former!
On the expected pricing- I'm guessing the infantry will be reasonable- £22.50-£25 for :
10 Arkanauts, 5 Grunstock thunderers and 3 Skyriggers.
The ships I think could be pricey- not really sure about price points for larger models but-
Gunboat- £30-35?
Frigate- £40-45?
Ironclad- £70-80?
Characters £14-18 with Brock at £25?
Depends how many they want to sell- I think they will go like hotcakes if the ships are cheaper and the infantry are at the Tzeentch release type price.
The 22,50 bracket for Arkanauts is what I hopw for. The small ships being that much would suck. At the 28£ level the gyrocopter has I'd rather get a discounted SC for a bit more - it's simply unreasonable, IMO. I can get a box of monstrous cav or infantry that are each just as big or bigger. And given how many you'd need to run themed as scouts or escorts for a bigger ship, ehhh
Regarding Skaven - my first army - while I have more Skyre and Pestilens stuff it's only because they refuse to satisfy my thirst for Moulder goodies. I love all things rotten and flamethrowers are always good (and a Warpfire Thrower was one of my first conversions, adding toxic sludge to the barrel mouth): Decent Rat Ogres and giant rats, a captured monster or two, maybe a few new gribblies like flying rats and I'd be over the moon. Especially with the way too sophisticated look new Skyre tech has. Especially armour.
PS: Goblin skypirates, imagine if they'd expand the Scuttlings before releasing those. That'd be like...like releasing Fyrslyrz before Overlords (that I always read as "Khadoran").
Unless they combine the scuttlings with the pirates. Being part spider would do wonders with climbing around ship riggings and wielding multiple weapons. (since it's a chaos mutation then it would also let them survive some of the dangerous magic in the skies)
I'm wondering if the preorder is the 1st, doesn't White Dwarf hit stores the same day? In which case it wouldn't have the release dates in the magazine. The other alternative seems to be cards released weeks before the rest...
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm wondering if the preorder is the 1st, doesn't White Dwarf hit stores the same day? In which case it wouldn't have the release dates in the magazine. The other alternative seems to be cards released weeks before the rest...
NinthMusketeer wrote: I'm wondering if the preorder is the 1st, doesn't White Dwarf hit stores the same day? In which case it wouldn't have the release dates in the magazine. The other alternative seems to be cards released weeks before the rest...
Blades of Khorne goes on preorder on the 1st.
Derp... erm, uh... Actually it goes on pre-order on the 12th! Alternate fact.
Verviedi wrote: Because posting images, and not just links, is important.
Not as important as giving credits to the source. Basic rules for scientific and investigation articles.
Now, don't you think we are starting to figure out a SC! for Kharadron Overlords too soon?
While its true every AoS big release got a SC!, we have still to see the full rules for them.
Also, I'm still waiting to see if there will be an Arcanite SC!.
Thankfully, we're not writing scientific articles here. I do generally post sources with my articles. Still irksome when someone posts a random link without copying the article.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
If I had one gripe with the background of AoS though, it was GW bringing the horned rat into the chaos pantheon. I always thought that the horned rat was nurgle in disguise. I'm probably wrong on that though.
But yeah, Kharadron Overlords! Remember that pic of a steampunky looking dwarf thing that we all thought would be a golem or something? Now we know it was a balloon!
When I get mine I'm doing it properly, and that includes giving the ships khazalid names. What's Khazalid for Queen Anne's Revenge?
GHR was a greater daemon of nurgle who rebelled, IIRC.
Also, it's worth of note that ONLY skaven view the GHR as one of The Four. The rest of chaos still considers slaanesh the fourth god, hence why the varanguard are still trained in the rites of slaanesh and why archaon bears the sigil of slaansh in his shield and not the GHR's.
hu???
Never heard about this, and i'm pretty sure that you are not recalling correctly. lol
Unless it is a new addition in the AOS fluff, but it wasn't the case in WHFB
Never heard about this, and i'm pretty sure that you are not recalling correctly. lol
Unless it is a new addition in the AOS fluff, but it wasn't the case in WHFB
The only info I could find was mostly conjecture about how Tzeentch created the guise of the Horned Rat, which manifested itself or some such. Later, Nurgle assumed a similar role in convincing Clan Pestilence that Nurgly-ways were what the GHR is all about.
But there is no solid evidence about his origins other than they are tied to the Skaven.
Binabik15 wrote: The 22,50 bracket for Arkanauts is what I hopw for. The small ships being that much would suck. At the 28£ level the gyrocopter has I'd rather get a discounted SC for a bit more - it's simply unreasonable, IMO. I can get a box of monstrous cav or infantry that are each just as big or bigger. And given how many you'd need to run themed as scouts or escorts for a bigger ship, ehhh
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Well its hard to tell looking at similar kits as GW pricing is all over the place- it looks to be of a similar size to the gyro bomber, bigger than a land speeder, but the burning chariot of Tzeentch is £25 which might be equivalent. They might price them at £25 to sell more- it looks like they see them as being quite numerous in the force, like escorts. its just pretty hard to tell as GW pricing is all over the place in terms of size of kits but seems to be kept lower if they expect people to buy a lot.
Verviedi wrote: Thankfully, we're not writing scientific articles here. I do generally post sources with my articles. Still irksome when someone posts a random link without copying the article.
Unfortunately, the mere fact of give information away to share opinions and create speculation about events to come is science at its most fundamental level.
Also, is just a link to see pics, its not like suddenly Lady Atia leaked some info on Klingon and I just posted the link without trying to give a translated idea.
Verviedi wrote: Thankfully, we're not writing scientific articles here. I do generally post sources with my articles. Still irksome when someone posts a random link without copying the article.
Unfortunately, the mere fact of give information away to share opinions and create speculation about events to come is science at its most fundamental level.
Also, is just a link to see pics, its not like suddenly Lady Atia leaked some info on Klingon and I just posted the link without trying to give a translated idea.
I love science, it's truly interesting, and I enjoy browsing random scientific articles to learn new things. I know what science is. This is a forum thread that has the goal of collecting leaked images and information about future releases, not a thread that's trying to create something new in any way. It is a library, not a laboratory. Libraries carry books, not just links to where you can find books.
I do not like following links to get pics. It takes a tiny amount of time or effort to embed images on this thread, and standard procedure should be copy/pasting the article and images, along with a link to the source at the top or bottom. A random link is very easy to miss for the casual reader. For example, I scroll through these rumor threads looking for images and large quotes, because more often than not those contain useful information. Links are much easier to miss than copied articles.
Future War Cultist wrote: GW are right to focus on the Skaven. They're kind of unique to their setting, unless somebody else I'm forgetting about also has rat men.
If I had one gripe with the background of AoS though, it was GW bringing the horned rat into the chaos pantheon. I always thought that the horned rat was nurgle in disguise. I'm probably wrong on that though.
But yeah, Kharadron Overlords! Remember that pic of a steampunky looking dwarf thing that we all thought would be a golem or something? Now we know it was a balloon!
When I get mine I'm doing it properly, and that includes giving the ships khazalid names. What's Khazalid for Queen Anne's Revenge?
GHR was a greater daemon of nurgle who rebelled, IIRC.
Also, it's worth of note that ONLY skaven view the GHR as one of The Four. The rest of chaos still considers slaanesh the fourth god, hence why the varanguard are still trained in the rites of slaanesh and why archaon bears the sigil of slaansh in his shield and not the GHR's.
hu???
Never heard about this, and i'm pretty sure that you are not recalling correctly. lol
Unless it is a new addition in the AOS fluff, but it wasn't the case in WHFB
Nah, must have remembered wrong then, because I'd say I first read that pretty before end times.
I just a thought of nurgle and tzeentch having joint custody of the skaven. Think about it; the ratmen have qualities admired by both. With the dynamic that the two gods can't stand each other.
Future War Cultist wrote: I just a thought of nurgle and tzeentch having joint custody of the skaven. Think about it; the ratmen have qualities admired by both. With the dynamic that the two gods can't stand each other.
This sounds like the premise for a new Pixar movie.
Future War Cultist wrote: I just a thought of nurgle and tzeentch having joint custody of the skaven. Think about it; the ratmen have qualities admired by both. With the dynamic that the two gods can't stand each other.
This sounds like the premise for a new Pixar movie.
Future War Cultist wrote: I just a thought of nurgle and tzeentch having joint custody of the skaven. Think about it; the ratmen have qualities admired by both. With the dynamic that the two gods can't stand each other.
This sounds like the premise for a new Pixar movie.
Or the next hit sitcom of CBS
Coming this fall from Pixar a movie about Two parents that cant stand each other... But can they overcome their differences and help their Kids design a Fabulous New invention for the Science fair?
This fall its Blue and Green.... Not Brown and red....
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On the subject of the Skaven possibly being Tzeentch and/or Nurgle's creation.
I kind of like that idea.
'Hey Bro! Let's create a race together, patch things up between us. I'll give them my sneakiness, you give them your fecundity'
'OK Bro. I agree'
15 minutes later
'OH GOD WHY WON'T THEY STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! Let's never do this again'
'It's your fault'
'No, it's yours'
'Yours'
'Yours'
Ad infinitum.
Never understood why they never made the jump to 40K they would have been a great faction in Necromunda, and/or a cool idea for 40k campaigns that if on a world, the skaven would start to become troublesome you knew that chaos was about to invade.
I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
Gimgamgoo wrote: I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
In exactly the same way as the old fantasy armies faced down Dwarf gun lines, Skaven Jezzails and Warp Lightning Cannons etc?
Gimgamgoo wrote: I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
In exactly the same way as the old fantasy armies faced down Dwarf gun lines, Skaven Jezzails and Warp Lightning Cannons etc?
Sorry. I didn't make my point clear. Some of the new AoS armies look like they have advanced technologically in the intervening years since the old world (as expected) but other don't. Much like sending a modern day army after say, vikings.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
In exactly the same way as the old fantasy armies faced down Dwarf gun lines, Skaven Jezzails and Warp Lightning Cannons etc?
Sorry. I didn't make my point clear. Some of the new AoS armies look like they have advanced technologically in the intervening years since the old world (as expected) but other don't. Much like sending a modern day army after say, vikings.
Again, same point still stands. In old fantasy the Dwarfs already had flying machines of various types and the Skaven could be argued to be the most "advanced" technologically. Even if crap did blow up regularly. And their primary opponent was usually Lizardmen and Orcs' who's most advanced weapons were most commonly blowpipes and clubs, bows etc.
Gimgamgoo wrote: I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
Ranges in AoS tend to be fairly short - so whilst a shooty army can be a pain to deal with, it's far harder for them to simply gunline you to death.
Me, I'm interested to see what the Clans Skryre have been up to, especially given the old technological triumvate....
Dwarfs - we invented it. We tested it. Extensively. This design is the optimal balance between effectiveness and reliability. Everything is measured. Everything is know.
Man - The Dwarfs invented it. We put more blackpowder in it because we need to hit hard. We'll test it on the battlefield.
Skaven - OUR THINGS! PUT WARPSTONE IN IT! MUCH-MANY KILL-SLAY! IF BLOW UP, BLAME UNDERLINGS! WE HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE SANCTITY OF LIFE!
Actually the visuals of a medieval army charging a high-tech dwarf Sky Fleet makes me want to have Brets back even harder. Imagine Pegasi knights cutting support beams from frigates, a Hippogryph eating the balloon dudes and massed knights charging a gunline while the earth trembles under the weight of horse and the impact of cannonballs.
A setting that wants to be over the top is incomplete until some guy goes "screw technology, saddle my horse" out of sheer conviction.
Binabik15 wrote: Actually the visuals of a medieval army charging a high-tech dwarf Sky Fleet makes me want to have Brets back even harder. Imagine Pegasi knights cutting support beams from frigates, a Hippogryph eating the balloon dudes and massed knights charging a gunline while the earth trembles under the weight of horse and the impact of cannonballs.
A setting that wants to be over the top is incomplete until some guy goes "screw technology, saddle my horse" out of sheer conviction.
My Ironjawz approve I'm curious to see what their fancy dwarven armor thinks of MASSIVE CHUNKS OF IRON
You know, I'm working on some WW1/Weimar Republic inspired "firefighters" to act as a non-combat battlefield rescue team that transports wounded to the care of a Ordo Hospitaler Sororita (that I found for dirt cheap right after I got the idea, that had to be destiny ) just to have team/use as a kill team. That made me buy Battlefield 1. And there the mechanics have a spanner-hammer combi-tool (an idea I stole for my guys). Now the Kharadron dudes have a spanner-axe weapon. And WW1 rifle-grenades. And bigass cross-hairs like WW1 AA guns.
It.all.fits.
It's like a grand conspiracy to take my money. Especially since I bought bits to finish my pirate Orcs (with steampunk stuff I haven't gotten around to build yet!) after ten years of cabinet dust-gathering just before the sky dwarfs were announced. And some of their bits would be just perfect to finish me mateys.
I still need new knights, though.
PS: The upcoming DG will help with that, though, more bits to convert my Nurgle demons into Knights since I'm almost out of Bret bits and Blight Kings are too obvious to source bits from.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On the subject of the Skaven possibly being Tzeentch and/or Nurgle's creation.
I kind of like that idea.
'Hey Bro! Let's create a race together, patch things up between us. I'll give them my sneakiness, you give them your fecundity'
'OK Bro. I agree'
15 minutes later
'OH GOD WHY WON'T THEY STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! Let's never do this again'
'It's your fault'
'No, it's yours'
'Yours'
'Yours'
Ad infinitum.
Never understood why they never made the jump to 40K they would have been a great faction in Necromunda, and/or a cool idea for 40k campaigns that if on a world, the skaven would start to become troublesome you knew that chaos was about to invade.
That's a great idea! Kind of like geneCult, but for chaos!
Gimgamgoo wrote: I imagine the Skaven will be laden with guns much like the new flying dwarfs. How are the older more generic looking fantasy models (such as Lizardmen and Undead) going to fare against some very 40k-esque crossover armies?
In exactly the same way as the old fantasy armies faced down Dwarf gun lines, Skaven Jezzails and Warp Lightning Cannons etc?
Sorry. I didn't make my point clear. Some of the new AoS armies look like they have advanced technologically in the intervening years since the old world (as expected) but other don't. Much like sending a modern day army after say, vikings.
So chaos warriors versus dwarfs? Nah, they'll handle it.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On the subject of the Skaven possibly being Tzeentch and/or Nurgle's creation.
I kind of like that idea.
'Hey Bro! Let's create a race together, patch things up between us. I'll give them my sneakiness, you give them your fecundity'
'OK Bro. I agree'
15 minutes later
'OH GOD WHY WON'T THEY STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! Let's never do this again'
'It's your fault'
'No, it's yours'
'Yours'
'Yours'
Ad infinitum.
This right here. This is how it needs to be.
I would have loved for the horned rat to be what the skaven call chaos, and have have it as a representative of the gods. Mostly Nurgle and Tzeentch but a little bit of khorne and slaanesh too.
Great ideas here too. I would love for clan skyre to go all hi tech. Meanwhile I do hope future human releases are more on the bretonian side than the empire.
I feel like the names for the Rules and Battalions are all the same as existing 40k Rules and Detachments/Formations haha. Not that that's a bad thing, it's consistent at least.
Ghaz wrote: Table of contents for Blades of Khorne, from the Age of Sigmar FB page:
Spoiler:
Doesn't look like any new lore for the Bloodbound. Disappointing, but to be expected. Can't wait to see the Blood Blessings of Khorne and the Skullfiend Tribe (how I painted my army, so no WYSIWYG complaints!) battalion!
If my old Lore knowledge was correct, wasn't the Great Horned Rat a Great Demon of Nurgle that wanted to be his own chaos God and just maked a race of mutan rat beastmen to serve him?
And a Shame they don't put the Slaugtherbrute in this. I have one that I love to use in my khorne army
Galas wrote: If my old Lore knowledge was correct, wasn't the Great Horned Rat a Great Demon of Nurgle that wanted to be his own chaos God and just maked a race of mutan rat beastmen to serve him?
And a Shame they don't put the Slaugtherbrute in this. I have one that I love to use in my khorne army
There is no such Lore. It's all conjecture and supposition.
And that Book will make a player in my local group very happy.
usernamesareannoying wrote: sorry for what i am sure is a repeat question but what is blades of khorne?
something different than the boodbound book?
man GW loves them some khorne and this is coming from a khorne player...
This is a book that will give stuff to KBB, Khorne alligned StD and Daemons. I'd say they don't give you as much love as before, though. And this is a book you kind of need.
The Great Horned Rat has been it's own distinct god going back to WHFB. The Skaven actually created a portal to him in ending the great civil war. But for those who know the Skaven's origin story, the real question is who that mysterious figure was since he is responsible for their creation.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The Great Horned Rat has been it's own distinct god going back to WHFB. The Skaven actually created a portal to him in ending the great civil war. But for those who know the Skaven's origin story, the real question is who that mysterious figure was since he is responsible for their creation.
usernamesareannoying wrote: damn, while very cool, just when i thought GW was doing better i have to already replace my stormcast and bloodbound books... ugh...
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh... and thanks ghaz
Basically, like how Stormcast got a new book recently--this is to bring the Khorne Bloodbound in line with the new design mechanics. Allegiance Abilities, relics, etc etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Seraphon and Fyreslayers get a similar book soon.
usernamesareannoying wrote: damn, while very cool, just when i thought GW was doing better i have to already replace my stormcast and bloodbound books... ugh...
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh... and thanks ghaz
Basically, like how Stormcast got a new book recently--this is to bring the Khorne Bloodbound in line with the new design mechanics. Allegiance Abilities, relics, etc etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Seraphon and Fyreslayers get a similar book soon.
usernamesareannoying wrote: damn, while very cool, just when i thought GW was doing better i have to already replace my stormcast and bloodbound books... ugh...
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh... and thanks ghaz
Basically, like how Stormcast got a new book recently--this is to bring the Khorne Bloodbound in line with the new design mechanics. Allegiance Abilities, relics, etc etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Seraphon and Fyreslayers get a similar book soon.
Don't forget the Ironjawz
Honestly? They'll have a hard time doing Battletome Ironjawz. We benefit soo much from being pure destruction.
usernamesareannoying wrote: damn, while very cool, just when i thought GW was doing better i have to already replace my stormcast and bloodbound books... ugh...
Automatically Appended Next Post: oh... and thanks ghaz
Basically, like how Stormcast got a new book recently--this is to bring the Khorne Bloodbound in line with the new design mechanics. Allegiance Abilities, relics, etc etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Seraphon and Fyreslayers get a similar book soon.
Don't forget the Ironjawz
Honestly? They'll have a hard time doing Battletome Ironjawz. We benefit soo much from being pure destruction.
A lot of BCR and Bonesplittaz players still use Destruction Traits/Allegiance instead of the ones in their book just because the Move, Battle Brew, Bellowing Tyrant, etc are just so good. I can see them getting a reduction in GHB2, however.
I checked the bonesplittas with their Cunning Ruks filled with Arrowboyz. The simple solution is to reduce the arrowboyz shots by 1. If they even need to.
And as much as I'm going to love the Overlords, I hope GW resists the urge to make them ungodly op.
Future War Cultist wrote: I checked the bonesplittas with their Cunning Ruks filled with Arrowboyz. The simple solution is to reduce the arrowboyz shots by 1. If they even need to.
And as much as I'm going to love the Overlords, I hope GW resists the urge to make them ungodly op.
Arrowboyz honestly aren't bad as they are now until Kunnin' Rukk gives them double the shooting. They just need to remove arrow Boyz from Kunnin' Rukk or increase the battalion cost with the assumption that arrow Boyz will be used. But since GW seems pretty opposed to making Battalions cost more than 100 no matter how good they may be I'd expect the former.
Future War Cultist wrote: I checked the bonesplittas with their Cunning Ruks filled with Arrowboyz. The simple solution is to reduce the arrowboyz shots by 1. If they even need to.
And as much as I'm going to love the Overlords, I hope GW resists the urge to make them ungodly op.
Arrowboyz honestly aren't bad as they are now until Kunnin' Rukk gives them double the shooting. They just need to remove arrow Boyz from Kunnin' Rukk or increase the battalion cost with the assumption that arrow Boyz will be used. But since GW seems pretty opposed to making Battalions cost more than 100 no matter how good they may be I'd expect the former.
Well, there's plenty of batallions above 100pts (gore-fist at 120, weirdfist clocks at 100). But you're right that, as a rule of thumb, most batallions are undercosted. I think they "kind of" should be. Just SLIGHTLY, not much, which isn't the case now for most "troublesome" batallions.
GW seems to price Battalions on how they would perform if applied to a rounded army. But that's now how battalions are used; people build lists around certain battalions being present. So they need to be costed based on optimal use, for starters. Secondly, GW does a poor job at Best of considering the required units; how many points do they cost? How do those units work together on their own? Are any of the units battleline?
The latter is what creates issues like the Ironfist, where it effectively means 'pay 60 pts to give all non-hero units in your army an extra 1d6" of movement every turn'. But it cuts the opposite direction just as often if not more. There are a large number of battalions that don't need to cost any point at all simply because the points expended to meet the requirements more than justify the benefits already. Many of the battalions that include multiple other battalions, for example, cost several thousand points spent in a specific way just to put it on the table.
Verviedi wrote: I love science, it's truly interesting, and I enjoy browsing random scientific articles to learn new things. I know what science is. This is a forum thread that has the goal of collecting leaked images and information about future releases, not a thread that's trying to create something new in any way. It is a library, not a laboratory. Libraries carry books, not just links to where you can find books.
I do not like following links to get pics. It takes a tiny amount of time or effort to embed images on this thread, and standard procedure should be copy/pasting the article and images, along with a link to the source at the top or bottom. A random link is very easy to miss for the casual reader. For example, I scroll through these rumor threads looking for images and large quotes, because more often than not those contain useful information. Links are much easier to miss than copied articles.
Science still need to compile info for speculation, on a philosophical level, we do science always when we look out for information to get conclusions. Libraries are getting obsolete each day it passes. If you are signed to, let say, Science, you don't have a reason to ever post someting else aside the abstract when the article for plenty of reasons.
Also, it's quite exaggerated to dislike just to click one. Also, links are denotaed on a different size and colour. I mean, c'mon.
And like a fellow member said:
While posting images is not always ok, links usually are.
I shared that same link before on other thread, and another fellow member posted the exact same pics from that link before me, but they got deleted. By now a number of use knows that is not so rare to see images deleted for some reason, but links usually stay here. I recognize the value of images, and I get your point about quick reading for a news section, but for large, external articles, with around 20 images, the tiny amount of time and effort starts to increase exponentially, passing over here the pics and using spoilers start to require some additional edition. It wouldn't be a problem for 3 or so pics, but for larger articles, yes, it'd be safer to link directly.
Well I prefer images since I have no idea how to show them and quoting you guys makes it so much easier.
Also, compliments to Snorri Fireaxe from Bugmen's Brewery for these tidbits:
(The Baraks)
Just in case you were all wondering...
Nar – East or Eastern Sunrise
Zilfin – Breezy / Windswept
Zon - Sun
Urbaz – Trading Post / Market
Mhornar - Shadow
Thryng – Temple / Shrine (of the Ancestors)
Mhornar crews are screaming for a Long Dron's unit.
I've seen 1 page of Wd that explain the 4 characters (khemist,Admiral and so on) and their guilds(navigators,aether-khemists and endrineers).
Endrinmaster and ebdrinriggers(it seems that are 1 optional build of the balloon infantry but i only heard that not Read actually)are part of the "engineer" guild(renamed endrineer guild,sort of engineer,sort of Carpenter/shipwright It seems).
Navigators are cartographers(and Can booster the winds) and khemist search aether gold(and use alchemy on that)and Can "suck out" air from the enemies.
In the Admiral entry say that they do many deeds like aelf lords kidnapping lol.
So It seems endrin- terms confirmed for engineering(i Read here that is a unofficial term for now).
EmberlordofFire8 wrote: I MEAN REALLY GW?! FIRST THEY WERE "KHORNE BLOODBOUND", NOW "BLADES OF KHORNE"!? MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!
I actually like Blades of Khorne better
Bloodbound are the Mortals in service of Khorne. Blades of Khorne incorporates them as well as Daemons (and other Khorne worshipping Slaves to Darkness that aren't specifically Khorne but can choose to be). Bloodbound will still be bloodbound, just like Tzeentch Arcanites are their own faction but are in the Disciples of Tzeentch book.
And that moss green armour with orange-y flesh, I think I found my paint scheme. If only I had a spare armoured chaos horse lying around, I'd do a Knight King right now.
