Mistweaver Saih
An enigma shrouded in mystery under the guise of an illusion, such is the Mistweaver Saih, nobody knowing anything about her.
Some say she may come from Ulgu, whose shadows are haunted, without having any evidence
Who are his allies ? Who are her enemies ? To who has she pledge allegiance / who is her master ?
Why did she come to the Silver Tower ?
The only certainty for those who fight by her sides is that she is a top-notch / tiptop enchantress, whose magical lightnings volatilize / destroy whoever provokes her ire.
She deceives and blinds her enemies thanks to illusions, exacerbating their hidden fears, spreading discord and paranoia, pushing her opponents to fight each others, or even to attack themselves, as she floats serenely on a mystical mist cloud.

 godardc wrote:
Mistweaver Saih
An enigma shrouded in mystery under the guise of an illusion, such is the Mistweaver Saih, nobody knowing anything about her.
Some say she may come from Ulgu, whose shadows are haunted, without having any evidence
Who are his allies ? Who are her enemies ? To who has she pledge allegiance / who is her master ?
Why did she come to the Silver Tower ?
The only certainty for those who fight by her sides is that she is a top-notch / tiptop enchantress, whose magical lightnings volatilize / destroy whoever provokes her ire.
She deceives and blinds her enemies thanks to illusions, exacerbating their hidden fears, spreading discord and paranoia, pushing her opponents to fight each others, or even to attack themselves, as she floats serenely on a mystical mist cloud.

Thanks - she does sound and look cool - reminds me of the Rackham Elves of long ago.....

SHAAAAAAAADOOOOOOOOOOOOWKIN!

So excited.

Familiars:


Embodiments of pure magic, the Familiars' only master is the Silver Tower itslef, they are as much nuisances as help.

The compelling Tweak (1) keeps talking about his grand plans, thinking he is a Lord of Change !

Purg (2) the kleptomaniac is constantly on the lookout to steal what glitters.

Blot (3) may have all the secrets of the Creation, but no one understands him.

Slop (4) the smelly is a fish-thing that one smell from far away.




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The warscrolls for the models: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/05/aos-silver-tower-hero-rules-spotted.html

Just got off the phone with GW. They are pushing this hard and calling it Warhammer Quest.

Supposedly....(sales rep info here, grain of salt) WQ will be a new line alongside 40k and AOS. More hero boxes, rules for using models from AOS, etc.

Of course, i'm being told this while they try to sell me a ton of copies

Woah 0_o

Oh, sorry, and details: 6 heroes (not all of which are on the side of the angels), and 45 minions of Tzeench. 51 models total, 150.00 in the US

 mikhaila wrote:
Just got off the phone with GW. They are pushing this hard and calling it Warhammer Quest.

Supposedly....(sales rep info here, grain of salt) WQ will be a new line alongside 40k and AOS. More hero boxes, rules for using models from AOS, etc.

Of course, i'm being told this while they try to sell me a ton of copies

I love the idea of WQ being a new line. That's brilliant.

I love the idea that these models will work with AoS and also that AoS will have models that will be compatible with WHQ.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sooo if they don't do AOS warscrolls for all these in WD they would be missing a trick..........and that seems less likely now than it has been in some time!

They're already making their way around. Hard to pull from I pad but just look at social media, AoS Facebook group, maybe one of the rumor sites have them up already. Looking forward to this release!

With rules to use these models for AoS in the white dwarf, I accidentally took a peek at what a subscription would cost in case they release rules to use AoS models in Warhammer quest. $190 usd for a 12 month subscription...

Is it possible that the subscription is a savings at that price point? Staggering ask for a magazine subscription.

 mikhaila wrote:
Just got off the phone with GW. They are pushing this hard and calling it Warhammer Quest.

Supposedly....(sales rep info here, grain of salt) WQ will be a new line alongside 40k and AOS. More hero boxes, rules for using models from AOS, etc.

Of course, i'm being told this while they try to sell me a ton of copies

This would be fantastic news! Quest is far more likely to get me to buy into AOS than anything else they put out.

Chopxsticks wrote:
With rules to use these models for AoS in the white dwarf, I accidentally took a peek at what a subscription would cost in case they release rules to use AoS models in Warhammer quest. $190 usd for a 12 month subscription...

Figured you were pulling my leg.....you are not kidding...

 Eldarain wrote:
Is it possible that the subscription is a savings at that price point? Staggering ask for a magazine subscription.

Remember that it's no longer a "monthly" magazine. You're looking at 3-4 issues per month, at $4+tax in USD.


That's 6 months worth of issues. It gets kinda crazy.

Chopxsticks wrote:
With rules to use these models for AoS in the white dwarf, I accidentally took a peek at what a subscription would cost in case they release rules to use AoS models in Warhammer quest. $190 usd for a 12 month subscription...

I could buy a Star Citizen ship for that much! I could buy a ton of models ect.

 mikhaila wrote:
Just got off the phone with GW. They are pushing this hard and calling it Warhammer Quest.

Supposedly....(sales rep info here, grain of salt) WQ will be a new line alongside 40k and AOS. More hero boxes, rules for using models from AOS, etc.

Of course, i'm being told this while they try to sell me a ton of copies

Oh, that's very very interesting. And, if true, quite a smart move.

AoS Warscrolls:


They'll be a pop-out in an upcoming WD. Chaos week after.

Yikes!

I'll just pick up this one issue with warscrolls to have a printed copy...

Wrote this previoulsy but seemed to have gone under the radar. Supposedly, in the WD, it is written that a new WQ app is coming, and this app will enable you to BUY the WQ rules of pretty much every AOS plastic heroes.

So, are the WHQ minis going to get stat cards with the same kind of bars and info and stuff as the warscrolls, so like everything is compatible with each other? Would be cool if so

 mikhaila wrote:
Oh, sorry, and details: 6 heroes (not all of which are on the side of the angels), and 45 minions of Tzeench. 51 models total, 150.00 in the US

I love the look of everything except the spider goblin things, but $150 USD is a big ask. I would need multiple copies to get enough Tzaangors and Acolytes to make decent warbands.

I'm hoping that bits sellers will pick this up so I can buy a ton of what I need, but I suspect that everybody else will be looking to buy more Tzaangors and other badies too. A cursory look at eBay and it didn't look like any bits- sellers had split up Deathwatch Overkill, so I'm kind of doubtful they will split up this. I don't blame then, there will likely be zero demand for multiple copies of the heroes, so it would be hard for them to make their money back.

Does anybody think there will be trade value in any of the tiles or cards etc. if I just want the models? I don't know enough about the game ( and likely nobody does at this point) to figure out if extra tiles would be worth getting.

I've got my fingers crossed there will be someway to get what I want without dropping $300 for two copies (which I'm not willing to do). This looks like a $100 game to me. The familiars and brimstone horrors hardly count in my mental model count, they are nice little extras, but nothing more.

But those Tzaangors! I want them so badly!

Depends if they make a separate box like for the Deathwatch. Won't be cheap either way.

If they are clever, they will use a similar system to AoS for combat. It would make conversion quite easy from one system to another.

That's what I thought; they intend to use the AoS Heroes for WQ as well. I'm pretty sure that means all infantry based heroes (going into a dungeon mounted on something as big as a horse isn't a good idea most of the time).

It has serious potential. Price is quite high for a boardgame, indeed...but that's not how it will be sold, I believe. I'm thinking more about some kind of...battle RPG using stunning and high quality miniatures.

That it would be a separate line next to 40k and AoS isn't so surprising. After all...that's pretty much how GW started it all. It's getting new with old stuff, again, sure...but nostalgia sell a lot, nowadays.

Well I'm liking what I'm seeing with this release. Not sure I can swing the price though....Will have to see for me but I do see potential in this.

Well, this has me paying attention. If they properly support this, it could get me back into GW models again.

Still hmming and hawwing over the very "out there" look of the models, but I've actually decided that I quite like them on balance. Weird and wonderful like something from a 2nd edition planescape book, and that's a compliment from me.

I was getting all hot and sweaty for CMON's dungeoneering adventure until I saw the models. Now this has come trundling along and thrown a spanner in the works!

Everything looks right up my street bar the spider goblins.. no idea what they were thinking with those ugly little things but I've got plenty of spare Night Gobbos for stand ins!

I'm quite impressed, this looks like it will be a very fun release. I particularly like the heroes and tzeench beastmen/daemons.

Everything else looks like a bonus. Now to find a headswap for the Sigmarine...

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wrote this previoulsy but seemed to have gone under the radar. Supposedly, in the WD, it is written that a new WQ app is coming, and this app will enable you to BUY the WQ rules of pretty much every AOS plastic heroes.

That has a lot of potential, especially if it includes hero progress trackers and a monster generator for your quests based on your collection and hero level. I'm really interested to see how this pans out and how close to AoS the core game rules and stats are. It would make sense for them to be closely tied for easier crossover and expansion


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 Scrub wrote:
I was getting all hot and sweaty for CMON's dungeoneering adventure until I saw the models. Now this has come trundling along and thrown a spanner in the works!.

I know what you mean. Sure, CMon will be great value for money, but so far the monsters don't do anything for me. WQ was always a favourite, so this has peaked my interest. Roll on Release!

This looks great, and for once I'm actually interested in trying to play a boxed game by GW (at least in recent years).

I'm so excited Tzeentch is finally getting some love. Ironically my buddy and I are about to start up some warbands for the old 200? Path of Glory ruleset, and this boxed set covers just about everything in mine. WD just needs to put out some rules for Chaos Chosen and I can use the whole warband in the game. And now I don't have to use standard beastmen or awful marauder models!

On a more related note the baddies (other than the goblins...which are merely okay) look great, and the heroes aren't too shabby themselves.

That looks like some great stuff.

Guillotine games has delivered better rules sets than recent GW boxed games, but this is Warhammer Quest.

Do we know anything about what the rules will look like? Will it be completely different from old WHQ? Are they going co-op with it?

I'm loving the baddies in this box, especially the Tzangors and the Horrors (yay Blue Horrors!) I'm not really a fan of most of the heroes though, as I'm still firmly railing against the AoS universe...and wont ever let go of the old Warhammer World. I'm curious as to how the rules work out...and will want to merge this with all of my original Warhammer Quest collection. If the game mechanics are really good, I may consider using everything with the new rules...if they are lacking, I can always use all the stuff with the old rules (and campaign stuff that I really enjoy). Or, perhaps take bits from both.

Regardless, this release makes me extremely happy. Now we just need a box of multi-part Tzangors, and some more of those great new Horrors! And I am crossing my fingers for lots of expansions!

 mikhaila wrote:
Oh, sorry, and details: 6 heroes (not all of which are on the side of the angels), and 45 minions of Tzeench. 51 models total, 150.00 in the US

Thanks for that!

Some very interesting and crazy models in there! Not as into the heroes, but love all the enemies except the goblins... I wonder if they had to change those simply not to be normal (unprotectable from GW's view) gobbos.

MongooseMatt provided the details here.

Only what's in the images posted so far.

The retailer email (posted somewhere in this thread) says it's a 2 to 4 player game.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
(posted somewhere in this thread)

Linked above, re-posted in OP.

Just a reminder - the fastest way to get something re-posted in OP is to PM me a link to the news/rumour.

Might want to put Warhammer Quest into the thread title as well...

Done & Done

It's kinda funny how everyone is cheering that blue horrors are here...everyone knows we get 3 in each burning chariot kit, right? Don't get me wrong, I'm SUPER happy to add more horrors to my group; but everyone is acting like we don't have access to current blue horrors. We totally do!!

So summing up here,

Good: Awesome models, lots of content, possibly continued focus by GW as a seperate line, AoS compatible.

Bad: little on the expensive side, expensive (but completely optional) magazine subscriptions

Am I missing anything?

(This is a total buy for me. Iffy on the subscription, need to see magazine contents to justify cost.)

I don't think a WD sub is necessary here ... if you want rules printed in WD just get the issues with rules in them (e.g., 120 and 121).

 Manchu wrote:
I don't think a WD sub is necessary here ... if you want rules printed in WD just get the issues with rules in them (e.g., 120 and 121).

Yeah, I don't know where the idea that the WD subscription was mandatory came from.

The rules that get posted in WD for AoS? They become free that same week on the AoS app as well.

It would be great if GW also did apps for boxed games, to disseminate support for them.

Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

@Manchu, sorry, wasn't saying it was mandatory. Will edit that in.

@hotsauceman1, oh, that'd be sweet!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I just emailed the War Store asking if there would be a way to get those promo heroes with pre-orders... None of my local game stores have shown an iota of interest in stocking Silver Tower, mostly as they've become Warmahordes or GTFO shops... much to my dismay.

That sucks. :(

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

That sounds... awesome and from GW's point of view such an easy win - they have excellent models looking for games to be used in, and this makes Warhammer Quest basically infinitely expandable.

I wonder, if GW show no interest in producing additional tiles (the only thing that hampers endless replayability) whether a small third party provider may be able to assist. As fodder for thought I was looking at The Lost and the Damned and it has a narrative locations table which would be an absolute wellspring of inspiration for these kind of potential expansion tiles:

- a gigantic ship cast out of the Realms of Chaos and rotting on a hill. What is inside?
- A cave complex in a cliff on a shore that is only revealed at low tide.
- The Finger of Khorne, a hundred foot monolith with a cavern complex beneath.
- A ghostly tower that is a ruin by day and by night restored to it former glories with ghosts etc. Timed missions perhaps?
- an assassination of a local lord in his mansion who turns out to be a chaos magister.
- A battle in the treetops with the sides being at risk of falling off the edges.

So many opportunities.

Its a psuedo-rpg. You dont even need monsters.
GW, get on doing this with 40k.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

They also need to make a dual-kit hero for a Flesh-Eater courtier.

One model a hideous ghoul with tattered clothing and the other a flamboyant (and very Bretonnian-like) bard/troubadour.

In his madness he sees himself as the bard but in reality he's a ghoul. You could switch between the two depending on his wounds, fights and sings like a human at full heath, goes full beast and cannibal when hurt.

I wonder if we are going to see Knight-Questor in any future Stormcast books.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

^ Exalt given!

On friday, some retailers will have demo copies, so i expect we'll all see a bit more of the rules.

I'm still on the fence as to whether i want to jump through the hoops. It's a 40 copy order to get a demo copy of the game a week early. That's only ....6000.00 in WQ to sell. But i could be playing by the weekend....

Im no game store owner. But to me, required 40 copies sounds like a suicide to me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

So... they lure people who hate the Stormcast Eternals into buying loads of them just to kill them in WHQ? Not bad...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im no game store owner. But to me, required 40 copies sounds like a suicide to me.

Could be wrong, but that appears to be the amount required to get a free demo copy. I have read that orders from retailers can be in singles, so presumably you could 1 or 2, but your not likely to get a lot out of GW in terms of support at that point.

The two aelf heroes have me interested in seeing what the new units might be coming.

 mikhaila wrote:
On friday, some retailers will have demo copies, so i expect we'll all see a bit more of the rules.

I'm still on the fence as to whether i want to jump through the hoops. It's a 40 copy order to get a demo copy of the game a week early. That's only ....6000.00 in WQ to sell. But i could be playing by the weekend....

I am curious about the deluxe stuff. Do you know if that is promotional stuff for the store, a special edition of the game that we can buy, or something that is sold separately? It sounds like something I might want, but living in Japan, I have no idea where I could go to get it.

Paint that Ogroid Red=

mhsellwood wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

Is there a source for this? So far, everything AoS has had free rules and datasheets.
.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
The two aelf heroes have me interested in seeing what the new units might be coming.

It has me torn, because I've been speculating for awhile now that we would see Shadowkin(the Aelf faction represented by the two in this box) coming soon...so do I want Warhammer Quest or to hoard my resources for Shadowkin?

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Paint that Ogroid Red=

One of Tim Currys best roles.

mhsellwood wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

If you're going to try for passive-aggressive sarcasm, I suggest you practice a little, you're not that good at it.

The goal of including AoS products in WHQ would seem to be to increase sales in both, by encouraging people who don't play AoS to buy AoS models for use in WHQ, and to encourage AoS players to buy into WHQ as an extra way to play with their toys. Given that, charging people money, likely a bloody lot of money if you have a big AoS collection or want a big WHQ collection, is utterly counter-productive, and as usual GW's left hand evidently grasp that(hence why so much of the AoS ruleset is free) while their right do not(hence why they're now inexplicably planning to charge microtransactions for these rules).

As for other companies, well, I can't decide if comparing a custom designed full-size full-price expansion product to likely-ridiculous-since-we're-talking-about-GW-here microtransaction rules for porting existing products from one of your games to another in an attempt to make the latter look rational is hilarious, or just sad. Maybe both, I suppose.

EDIT: Look at it this way - you evidently see offering WHQ rules for AoS models as GW doing their fans a service they should be grateful -and thus willing to pay- for. I see it as them attempting to make their products more attractive to potential customers and broaden the appeal of AoS models, in which case not making the offer as attractive as possible is counter-productive.

Full AoS support sounds great! I am a fan of micro purchases - I have purchased many battle plans as micro purchases. Of course free rules are even better.


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It's interesting that the Aelfs don't have any faction keywords. GW not wanting to give us any hints just yet...

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:


Is there a source for this? So far, everything AoS has had free rules and datasheets.
.

Rumors say they'll be a WHQ App that'll allow you to purchase new hero rules and warscrolls.

The price of that purchase or whether "new heroes" means that current AoS heroes will be free like legacy warscroll formations were remains to be seen.

@Bottle,

Indeed, their warscroll leaks even have them completely alone on the picture where as the other heroes have their respective armies behind them.

GW is being very sneaky with it's eldritch masters.

The Tenebrand Shard's AoS rules are great. Should help keep your opponent's wizards honest...

I'm really looking forward to this release, not just because of the WHQ logo but because if GW follow precedent and capitalise on releases like they've done in the past, bespoke Tzeentch stuff might not be too far off.

As an aside, local GW manager said something BIG is coming for AoS in summer. Tried to get some more info out of him but all he would say is that none of the rumour forums have even hinted at it yet...? In his words, he said that for him it was more exciting than the general's handbook.

mhsellwood wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

Maybe they could have put them all into some sort of book and included it in the boxed set? Who knows, maybe that's a concept too far.

@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

That's the bit that got me confused. We'd already talked about the general's handbook and Silver Tower, and I'd tried to get him to give up some juice on the campaign, so it's not that. All I do know is he saw about it at the same manager's meeting where they were briefed on general's handbook.
But yeah, I'm not giving up on the condiments just yet.

RoperPG wrote:
The Tenebrand Shard's AoS rules are great. Should help keep your opponent's wizards honest....

I'll say. I basically read that rule as "kill any wizard/priest/warmachine crew on a roll of 4 or more."

The rules for the other characters seem pretty average to me. Not bad, nothing else struck me as "wow" though.

RoperPG wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

That's the bit that got me confused. We'd already talked about the general's handbook and Silver Tower, and I'd tried to get him to give up some juice on the campaign, so it's not that. All I do know is he saw about it at the same manager's meeting where they were briefed on general's handbook.
But yeah, I'm not giving up on the condiments just yet.

Yeah the rumor is that the summer global campaign is going to effect the fluff of the next campaign book or possibly black library novels since they make story books out of those sometimes.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

an app?

I actually like the Qunari errr I mean Ogre.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

an app?

The rumoured WHQ app to accompany the game.

Create a hero!

Player progression between games confirmed then. Very cool, I'm pretty sure for WHQ, I'll be able to find players to play with more regularly, since my group is mainly a GW group. And being able to use any currently available plastic character? That's... awesome. I think I see lots of clampacks in my future...

Hold the phone:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Umm... did GW just release a freemium tabletop game?

I expect they'll be like expansion packs?

So rather than release a new set of physical treasure cards you can buy them in the app?

Will wait and see.

All the rest sounds great (create your own hero/use any current AoS hero).

Buying skills. With money.

If I know the rules for the skill, can't I just give it to my character. Why must I pay more money for it? It'd be like having an app to build a Space Marine army, but having to pay money to add heavy weapons to your Dev squad... after paying money to add a Dev squad.

I really, really hope I'm wrong about this.

It all depends on the pricing IMO. I'm used to microtransactions from video games and am not opposed to them in principle. It's all about pricing.

Although I don't think these will be skills that will be available in the rule book, that would be weird. Most likely completely new skills.

And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

 zfreie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

So, again, why am I having to pay for it through an app?

Some of these models are simply breath taking. The sculpting is superb, and I'm truly in awe of what GW has conjured. On a cognitive dissonance level though, I almost prefer the fun simplicity of the first warhammer quest. Minotaurs, orcs, goblins, spiders, rats, skaven, bats, snotlings and goblins.

I'm probably just a silly old fashion traditionalist though who loved hero quest and Steve Jackson / Ian Livingstone books. Still, if this is the direction GW is going to go, this could make me jump aboard. AOS here I come

EDIT

Something I'm not so sure on is the tiles. They look beautifully detailed for a Tzeentchian temple, but I used to love the plainness of the others. It could be a dungeon, or a palace, or a fort with no allegience. You could really summon up stories. Then again, maybe this is compatible with D&D and Game Mastery maps and cards

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

Agreed.

If there's a physical purchase (expansion or character pack) that then unlocks something on the app; fine I'll consider that and probably be happy to do that.

But an app that lets you buy archetypes/skills/weapons for use in a boardgame will be a step into the new world that I might not want to take.

GW are a model company, I buy the model I want to use it. No extra hidden purchases please.

 Mymearan wrote:
It all depends on the pricing IMO. I'm used to microtransactions from video games and am not opposed to them in principle. It's all about pricing.

Although I don't think these will be skills that will be available in the rule book, that would be weird. Most likely completely new skills.

Yeah, pricing is all it comes down to. Would I rather pay $60 for a digital book, $60 in microtransactions, or $30 in microtransactions for the 50% that I use? Obviously, there's going to be a population that wants to pay $0 for 100% of the rules, like AoS, but I guess WHQ isn't going to be price-structured that way.

In general, I'm not a fan of the concept of microtransactions, mostly because I'm a completionist and want 100% of the rules even if I'm using 0.5% of them, but that's never really stopped me from spending on them. Among other things, most companies have a discounted, "get it all" pack, or better, a price that gives you everything that's out now plus all the things that are coming down the line. I don't think it's a terrible thing that GW is trying it out -- it should be pretty apparent fairly quickly if there is great resistance to it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zfreie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

So, again, why am I having to pay for it through an app?

Well above you said you didn't have to that you would just write it down, so unless I'm mistaken, your not paying for anything.

However, why should you, well to support a game company I guess?

I hate microtransactions. They are bad enough in video games, no need to bring them to board games.
Also: you purchase the game, you purchase the app ("You can buy the My Hero app at the Apple App Store and Google Play") and then also need to buy rules for hero models you bought seperately, already for a premium price?
I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds right now, because if it is, I hope GW fails miserably with this approach.

I can see it taking approximately 30 seconds for any new content to make it onto forums and added to a google docs spreadsheet unless they are sneaky and hide the actual rules behind the scenes and modify the built in dice roller with any bonuses/penalties.

On the one hand I can kind of see the sense in selling skills individually as if multiple new archetypes use the same skill, why would you want to buy it twice in character packs... but this points to generic skills like Dungeon Saga, rather than the more interesting character specific skills that we had in the old character expansions.

Hopefully we will get Character packs that come with the character and all the necessary skills and some new race/career specific treasure...

I think a nice use of this app would be to have the level/race specific event/monster tables in here with Faction packs.

I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks to see the full extent.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hold the phone:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Umm... did GW just release a freemium tabletop game?

I don't think so. Most games that use microtransactions at least give you the core game for free...

It's just an electronic (micro? Depending on how they are sold together) expansion.

Don't really see what's to get het up about.

At the moment, this is all just conjecture. Let's see where we are when it's actually released, shall we?

 Hanskrampf wrote:
I hate microtransactions. They are bad enough in video games, no need to bring them to board games.
Also: you purchase the game, you purchase the app ("You can buy the My Hero app at the Apple App Store and Google Play") and then also need to buy rules for hero models you bought seperately, already for a premium price?
I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds right now, because if it is, I hope GW fails miserably with this approach.

It's a fething company store is what it is.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I don't think so. Most games that use microtransactions at least give you the core game for free...

So that makes this... better?

They could easily make this an exploitative pricing method, which would not make them many friends. That said, I'd expect it more along the lines of how the battalion/time of war rules work in the AoS app where they are bundled into 'battle packs'. These are $8-25ish USD depending on the size and have 5-20ish rule scrolls in them, or if you want just one of those you can buy them individually for $2. Even for GW I don't see them offering skill/hero rules individually as the main option (rather as a side-option if you don't want the whole budle). At any rate, I doubt people are going to force you to own the content in question anyway, so if you know the rule you're good to go.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I don't think so. Most games that use microtransactions at least give you the core game for free...

So that makes this... better?

Not at all. I was saying it's worse. But then again I'm an old school dead tree format grognard, so maybe the kids like this format for some reason and GW is trying to appeal to them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hold the phone:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Umm... did GW just release a freemium tabletop game?

It's more like a "fee to pay" game, since you need to buy the base game and the minis to start play.

I don't have a problem with electronic expansions. I do have a problem with the concept of buying individual skills and treasure items.

Electronic versions of the old Treasure Card packs? No problem. Good way to move product without taking up space with inventory - perhaps even a better randomiser as well, with allowances for duplicates without needing to buy multiple sets of cards - but buying individual items, like buying skills, that's not right.

I mean take this as a (flawed) example:



Obviously this is the AoS Warscroll, but pretend for a second this is the nuQuest profile for this guy. You buy this character (after buying the app), and he has his warblade and basic profile. Then it says "For $0.99 add his Sigmarine Shield". Then it says "For $1.99 add Heroic Challenge" and "For $1.59 add Thundercharge Strike".

NOPE!

That gak ain't gon' fly. You don't get people to buy individual rules and items in your tabletop wargame.



I really better be wrong about all this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't have a problem with electronic expansions. I do have a problem with the concept of buying individual skills and treasure items.

Electronic versions of the old Treasure Card packs? No problem. Good way to move product without taking up space with inventory - perhaps even a better randomiser as well, with allowances for duplicates without needing to buy multiple sets of cards - but buying individual items, like buying skills, that's not right.

Going with the card packs example, I would expect it to be like "Treasure Card Pack 1 - $9.99" with the alternative option to buy just a specific card individually for $0.50, obviously the latter isn't the intended method but since it's digital they can put that option in there for those who want it.

Sidenote: If you are right your rage is justified, imo...

IMO, the way it reads is that the ability to "purchase skills" is when you're making your own characters and you want to add skills that are present on other characters without owning them.

To use your example, you make a hero called Dave. Dave has a 3+ save and a Davidium Halberd. You want to give him the Thundercharged Strike skill from the Knight-Questor, but you don't own the Knight-Questor rules on the app.

You then have the choice between purchasing just the skill or the Knight-Questor.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

since it's your boardgame of course you can give whatever you want whatever skill you want, either inventing your own or using ones GW has revealed

but that takes time and effort and plenty of folk will be happy enough to pay to have GW do it for them (I suspect personally I won't, but there you go)

just because its (so far) meant to be digital only doesn't mean stuff has to be free, would you expect a new spacewolves codex which was mainly a copy paste of the old one with a few new units and the odd stat change to be free? I certainly wouldn't

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
just because its (so far) meant to be digital only doesn't mean stuff has to be free, would you expect a new spacewolves codex which was mainly a copy paste of the old one with a few new units and the odd stat change to be free? I certainly wouldn't

But I would expect that if I bought that Codex, it would be complete, and that I wouldn't need to purchase rules/weapons/relics/psychic powers/units once I bought the Codex.

So playing 40k you only ever need one codex....right?

While there is certainly cause for concern, it is a little early to form a lynch mob and head down to GW hq. We still don't know how much stuff is included in the base game. There are apparently rules in the base game for more than just the six heroes with minis. How many exactly we don't know yet. How do the skills work and how easy are they to make up for yourself? We don't know that yet either. How different are the rules in the game and the rules on the warscrolls. It is possible that you could use those as a basis for adaption and they are all free.

There was a rumour that you would be able to scan qr codes on future minis. So you buy the miniatures, scan the code and get the rules for free, or alternatively pay for the rules on the app.

Is the base game even good and worth the extra investment?

We don't know any of those things yet. From Friday people will be trying the game. On Saturday there will be warhammer fest which would be a good chance to ask attendees to ask apropriate questions and raise appropriate concerns. It will be an interesting test of the new listening GW if things are initially overpriced. The total war guys did back down over the chaos dlc after all.

It feels like any dungeon crawl game so far, you get base game, and then can buy "character expansions" like descent if you want.

Thats how it feels to me, except we already own a bunch of the "character expansions" due to AOS models.

So vs paying 25-30 bucks an expansion, youd buy the "warscroll" for a few bucks and add onto base game.

 zfreie wrote:
So playing 40k you only ever need one codex....right?

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, do you?

Original Warhammer Quest used the same model, did it not? The only difference was that then, you bought the miniature and all the rules in one box. Now you buy the miniature and then buy the rules separately.

H.B.M.C., you seem to be reading it as if you need to pay to download data into the app that you already have in the rulebook, whereas I'm reading it as you're buying new data that's not in the rules. Without seeing how this all works, though, I'm not totally sure.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Original Warhammer Quest used the same model, did it not? The only difference was that then, you bought the miniature and all the rules in one box. Now you buy the miniature and then buy the rules separately.

OG Quest you bought character packs. The pack had the mini, a rulebook for the mini, plus all the associated cards/tokens that went with the mini. With that description of the app, you would buy the character pack, and then have to buy additional skills/items, rather than all the skills being part of the character pack.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
just because its (so far) meant to be digital only doesn't mean stuff has to be free, would you expect a new spacewolves codex which was mainly a copy paste of the old one with a few new units and the odd stat change to be free? I certainly wouldn't

But I would expect that if I bought that Codex, it would be complete, and that I wouldn't need to purchase rules/weapons/relics/psychic powers/units once I bought the Codex.

we all know thats not true


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Original Warhammer Quest used the same model, did it not? The only difference was that then, you bought the miniature and all the rules in one box. Now you buy the miniature and then buy the rules separately.

OG Quest you bought character packs. The pack had the mini, a rulebook for the mini, plus all the associated cards/tokens that went with the mini. With that description of the app, you would buy the character pack, and then have to buy additional skills/items, rather than all the skills being part of the character pack.

TBH i dont know how you came to this conclusion - pay for skills. If its like aos, you pay for the whole package.

Sounds like another GW board game which people will open up and just throw away the rules.

Sorry to ask and I don't know if it's answered already, but do we know if this is limited?

 avedominusnox wrote:
Sorry to ask and I don't know if it's answered already, but do we know if this is limited?

Likely limited in the same way 30k, Deathwatch and Renegade are, that is, not at all really.

sadysaneto wrote:
TBH i dont know how you came to this conclusion - pay for skills. If its like aos, you pay for the whole package.

Really? You have no idea how I might have inferred that meaning from the text?
Well here it is again, just to be clear, right from WD:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Can't really be any clearer than that.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Or just do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XCQxkKgbTI&list=PLzrPO7KIAtwVmZzJKCs4kmvZAJLs_Ltb_&index=1

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 avedominusnox wrote:
Sorry to ask and I don't know if it's answered already, but do we know if this is limited?

Likely limited in the same way 30k, Deathwatch and Renegade are, that is, not at all really.

sadysaneto wrote:
TBH i dont know how you came to this conclusion - pay for skills. If its like aos, you pay for the whole package.

Really? You have no idea how I might have inferred that meaning from the text?
Well here it is again, just to be clear, right from WD:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Can't really be any clearer than that.

well, by "new", you might have inferred... new? like, it comes with all the basic skills, than it may have new skills to sell?

I take you are not that familiar with dungeon crawlers, but, yeah..... they all do that. They all sell expansions with new skills, new weapons, etc.

Subscribed.

Yeah I think they are referring to skills, treasure, etc. That is developed after the release (no doubt with a token offering at launch though...). Its more like you already have the hero (because they are just the clampacks already available) and then pay (hopefully) a few bucks for the rules to use him in the new game.

 Kirasu wrote:
Sounds like another GW board game which people will open up and just throw away the rules.

I dunno what makes you think that, a lot of people seem excited for Warhammer Quest being back to me.

The logical fallacy in this is that GW must believe people actually own AoS models in order to buy rules for :p They'd be better served by making the rules free and having people buy the models they like..

sadysaneto wrote:
I take you are not that familiar with dungeon crawlers, but, yeah..... they all do that. They all sell expansions with new skills, new weapons, etc.

*stares blankly*

You have got to be kidding me?

well, by "new", you might have inferred... new? like, it comes with all the basic skills, than it may have new skills to sell?

I take you are not that familiar with dungeon crawlers, but, yeah..... they all do that. They all sell expansions with new skills, new weapons, etc.

Yeah except one clampack hero from GW is the same price as an entire descent expansion.

Apologies; I wrote a long reply and then realised I'd misinterpreted the post I was replying to.

The smart play would be to let you unlock the rules for free on the app when you purchase a new clam pack. It is well known that they are extremely expensive, this would be something of a value add to offset the huge prices somewhat. The sentence that H.B.M.C is so (justifiably) worried about does seem to refer to the create a hero section of the app. So if you want to have a questor with a bow or magic abilities or you want to create your own original archetype you can buy skills for that, possibly.

This app has the the potential to either be something really cool that extends the life of the game considerably, or a heinous rip off that drives people away from the game. I suppose it is human nature to expect the latter, but I am still hoping for the former.

I'm not paying extra to use models I already own with little mini purchases in an app. If that's their plan, I'll be skipping WHQ. Now it's back to wait & see mode for me...

 Kirasu wrote:
Sounds like another GW board game which people will open up and just throw away the rules.

im just keeping some (the beastmen, the ogron, sorcrerer)

 Necros wrote:
I'm not paying extra to use models I already own. If that's their plan, I'll be skipping WHQ. Now it's back to wait & see mode for me...

Don't you pay to use models you already own every time a new codex or rule book comes out?

Yeah I worded that wrong, I meant like if they're gonna make us pay to add a new skill or whatever in an app. Just seems like a real dumb idea to me

 Necros wrote:
I'm not paying extra to use models I already own. If that's their plan, I'll be skipping WHQ. Now it's back to wait & see mode for me...

I have never understood why anyone would do anything except wait and see. War of sigmar just confirmed that this is a core game. There is no reason whatsoever to pre order the game unless you are sold on the models. Go to a store a try a demo, or read some of the reviews that will appear online soon enough. Radiohead are my favourite band ever. It I still read a few reviews and listened to some of the new songs on YouTube before I put down the money for the album.

If the hero skills etc. are limited to the app exclusively then I'll just wait until they're leaked online. I don't have a smartphone, or a tablet, and my friends won't care if I have the rules written down on a piece of paper.

It'd be pretty stupd of GW to make you pay for individual skills, and I don't think that will be the case, but we'll have to wait and see.

Pretty much a certain buy for me - just for the models

Maybe the game will be good as well which would be a bonus!

Perhaps they are trying to sell the skills etc it like premium abilities / DLC content in online games?

Ah, only on the internet can rampart speculation and furious paranoia spark up so quickly.

There's definitely cause for concern but I'm not sure this will be as big a deal-breaker as everyone seems to think.

If worse comes to worse then we can always make a thread to share the rules and upgrades, we can title it "Sir Poorpenny's quest questions".

Let them try it out and see how much of a success it is. If its a massive failure, then it'll go away soon enough. If its a success, then fair play to them for identifying another cash sponge.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't have a problem with electronic expansions. I do have a problem with the concept of buying individual skills and treasure items.

I'm in a similar boat, but as a bit conjecture here, I'm just trying to think of a situation that makes sense to sell additional skills.

Maybe this whole skill purchase thing is something like the core box skills only go up to whatever level the built in storyline is aimed at (I'd imagine level 5 or 6 with 9 missions?) and the purchase skills allow you to go to a higher level with more advanced skills and spell options. Like the old D&D manual that took your characters to higher levels.

New characters might come in basic format that includes the same level range as the core ones, with advanced packs for those; or a combined pack with all the level options. This would give people that only want to do the boxed campaign a chance to buy cheaper versions of the characters and those that want to do more advanced campaigns to pick up more advanced options for their character.

This level cap would also limit the sorts of treasure and monsters that they need to deal with in the core box, rather than trying to shoehorn in everything for everyone.

Chikout wrote:

 Necros wrote:
I'm not paying extra to use models I already own. If that's their plan, I'll be skipping WHQ. Now it's back to wait & see mode for me...

I have never understood why anyone would do anything except wait and see. War of sigmar just confirmed that this is a core game. There is no reason whatsoever to pre order the game unless you are sold on the models. Go to a store a try a demo, or read some of the reviews that will appear online soon enough. Radiohead are my favourite band ever. It I still read a few reviews and listened to some of the new songs on YouTube before I put down the money for the album.

I didn't, I preordered the special edition one straight away! Luckily I really like the album haha.

It is possible that the "in-app store" refers to a method that allows you to record and use money earned in the game. You can punch in "my hero earned fifty currency on this adventure" and "they spend twenty on a flashy hat" without having to write up a character sheet. This would further the use of the app as the one stop place for all your character needs.

If the app requires actual money every time I feel like making equipment swaps, I will just stick to pen and paper.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zfreie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

So, again, why am I having to pay for it through an app?

Because if you didn't you'd be an ebil piwate who is STEALING from poor defenseless GW. Yes, that's ridiculous, welcome to modern IP law and the inexplicable legions of people willing to champion it and the corporations who abuse it.

 Necros wrote:
I'm not paying extra to use models I already own with little mini purchases in an app. If that's their plan, I'll be skipping WHQ. Now it's back to wait & see mode for me...

I can understand the push back on this idea. However... if what we end up with is a quality game that gets played over and again in our group, I am kinda okay with it. Not going to begrudge GW some monies if they are providing my entertainment.

The two caveats to this are a) if the game is just bad, that is obviously a no go and b) if they try to push things too far, like the old horse-for-Oblivion thing. That would be bad. Very bad.

But, if it is a good game, the downloads actually add to it, they do not come too fast, and we are playing consistently... GW could get a few quid per month out of me for this.

 the Signless wrote:
It is possible that the "in-app store" refers to a method that allows you to record and use money earned in the game. You can punch in "my hero earned fifty currency on this adventure" and "they spend twenty on a flashy hat" without having to write up a character sheet. This would further the use of the app as the one stop place for all your character needs.

That crossed my mind as well, and is not a terrible way of making the app useful in-game.

 the Signless wrote:
If the app requires actual money every time I feel like making equipment swaps, I will just stick to pen and paper.

Good to see some people here can comprehend my consternation.

Yeah, who wants a nickle and dime app to play your board game. That's silly.

Not that GW have never done stupid things, but I think they're not doing that.

Chikout wrote:


I have never understood why anyone would do anything except wait and see. War of sigmar just confirmed that this is a core game. There is no reason whatsoever to pre order the game unless you are sold on the models. Go to a store a try a demo, or read some of the reviews that will appear online soon enough. Radiohead are my favourite band ever. It I still read a few reviews and listened to some of the new songs on YouTube before I put down the money for the album.

Naw, videogame industry, Kickstart kickers and readers everywhere completely disagree with you. And I don't think I'd have an issue buying a Radiohead album sight unseen. Companies- especially small companies, actually need their fans to pre-order things- it helps pay the final costs of production. Kickstarter has only made that more true.


I have issue with reviewers- especially for GW games. It seems that very few reviewers will give the game a fair shake- either they'll praise it up and down because they love GW, or they'll tear it up and down because they hate GW. There is way too little middle ground for someone like most of us who thinks that GW sometimes does good stuff and sometimes does poor stuff.

But I'm not writing reviews, either, so I'm not part of the solution.

i'm going to be a bit bummed if the only way I can expand my treasure options is digitally. I like having the physical cards to go with my games!

Now if what you guys are thinking, that the app could actually act as the town portion of the game, letting me unlock stuff with gold I found in my adventures, that would be pretty cool.

I think I can withhold judgement until next weekend, assuming the app is released alongside the actual game.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
just because its (so far) meant to be digital only doesn't mean stuff has to be free, would you expect a new spacewolves codex which was mainly a copy paste of the old one with a few new units and the odd stat change to be free? I certainly wouldn't

But I would expect that if I bought that Codex, it would be complete, and that I wouldn't need to purchase rules/weapons/relics/psychic powers/units once I bought the Codex.

This is a brilliant idea! No more codices. You go on their army builder app, make your army list by adding units and options to your cart list, enter you billing info and voila! You get the rules and a free shopping list of the model's you'll need to buy. They could even send you a link to their webstore with all the stuff automatically added to your cart! Now that's what I call a one-click bundle! DERP!

Tiny piece of information X eye bulging paranoia = GW IS THE DEVIL.

It's all so much What-If-ery at the minute. Wait for some concrete info before losing your minds.



Personally I will not buy in-app/in-game purchases, and only bother with DLC for games if it proves to be a fair deal, providing a significant amount of extra game time or replay value.

Still really wondering how WHQ this will be, and how "New game called WHQ" this will be.

Actually, could be good either way. But I really want to know.

Price:

With the success of Privateer Press' WarRoom app, I wouldnt doubt it GW tried it in some fashion. I would pay that premium for that kind of app sales model. If it included the ability to track progress in it as well.

Price as expected then. They are still shy of breaking the hundred.

What happens if you read the Adventure book before you're instructed?

 Necros wrote:
What happens if you read the Adventure book before you're instructed?

All the models turn into gremlins.

 Necros wrote:
What happens if you read the Adventure book before you're instructed?

Eternal damnation in the hottest/coldest/non-existingest [delete whichever does not apply to your religion(s)] depths of Hell.

 Necros wrote:
What happens if you read the Adventure book before you're instructed?

It would be bad… Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Total protonic reversal.

 Necros wrote:
What happens if you read the Adventure book before you're instructed?

kirby calls you and say "7 dayyssssss"

The app description reads as follows in my eyes:

A paid for app that has an interactive roster which includes all the treasure, skills and hero cards of the original game. Use this to track your character's progress.

IAP of new hero cards, new skills and new treasure to broaden your game content.

Sounds great!

So can anyone make out any of the text on that page? Because I certainly can't.

 Bottle wrote:
The app description reads as follows in my eyes:

A paid for app that has an interactive roster which includes all the treasure, skills and hero cards of the original game. Use this to track your character's progress.

IAP of new hero cards, new skills and new treasure to broaden your game content.

Sounds great!

Yeah, exactly what you should infer for "new skills" ...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So can anyone make out any of the text on that page? Because I certainly can't.

Weapons have a range, to hit and damage stat.
Heros have move, save and agility stats.
Side talks about the heroes, gaining abilities, treasure cards; nothing juicy stands out.
Heroes gain reknown. They also have unique traits.

I think digital-only content for a board game is kind of a pity given the tactile nature of tabletop gaming.

Eye of fate: Forsee (3+?): Put a status marker on this card until the end of the round. While it is there you can reroll saves of 1. If your hero is Celestial, other players in the same chamber can do the same.

Eye of Phoros: Discard to add 1 to the results of any attack rolls for this turn

Knight Questor: Guard Stance (3+): Put the dice here until the end of the round. While there your save is 3+, rather than 4+.
Knight Questor: Traits: Celestial and Unrelenting.
Knight Questor: Something about targeting an enemy within 3 squares and spending one of your dice with a 4 or more... it is too blurry to read.
Knight Questor Warblade/Combat/Hits: 3+, damage (3?)
Knight Questor Thunder?? Strike Combat, Hits ?+, Damage ?

Mistweaver: Glimmermist 3+. Put the dice here (I think it says showing the score?) Until the end of the round any attacks that hit the Mistweaver or another hero on the same tile miss if it is exactly the same as the dice on the marker dice.
Traits: Arcane and ?
Can't make out the weapons or renown.

Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic. Rule Number Three is No Spam.

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It seems it will be very easy to adapt warscrolls to the game, eh?

I would love a box set with 20 of those gobbos in the future.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I would love a box set with 20 of those gobbos in the future.

Here's hoping we get them and Tzaangors separately at the very least!

Eye of Fate

Flashes of the future are revealed to your minds eye warning of dangers to come

3+ Foresee: Put a status marker on this card till the end of the round. While there you can reroll saves rolls of 1. If your character is celestial other characters in the same chamber can do the same

sadysaneto wrote:
It seems it will be very easy to adapt warscrolls to the game, eh?

I thought so too. I would love to be able to expand on the game with stuff I already have.

 Manchu wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I would love a box set with 20 of those gobbos in the future.

Here's hoping we get them and Tzaangors separately at the very least!

I can pretty much guarantee that we will. Betrayal at Calth and Deathwatch are still relatively new, so they haven't split the contents out like they did with Execution Force.

I am not so sure, we have seen nothing released individually from the AOS boxed set, and it is nearly a year from release. Now new boxes of new Tzaaangor etc sculpts? I can see that happening as we have seen that with almost everything from the AOS box.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I am not so sure, we have seen nothing released individually from the AOS boxed set, and it is nearly a year from release. Now new boxes of new Tzaaangor etc sculpts? I can see that happening as we have seen that with almost everything from the AOS box.

We saw the Lord-Celestant on Dracoth released not long ago(he's buildable from the Dracoth Guard box), we've seen Blood Warriors, Blood Reavers, Liberators, Prosecutors, and Retributors. The stuff we saw wasn't "new boxes of new sculpts", it was just them putting one specific build into the box.

We haven't seen the Khorgorath and Bloodstoker, the Bloodsecrator, the Lord Relictor, or the one specific setup of the Lord of Khorne(axe and Flesh Hound).

Yup, that is what I said. Your Calth/Deathwatch post suggested to me that you meant the specific plastic minis from those sets, not the new sculpts (a la Blood Warriors) etc that we both suggested. Seems like we just misunderstood each other's posts.

As for Execution Force everything bar the Assassins was previously available anyway.

 Manchu wrote:
I think digital-only content for a board game is kind of a pity given the tactile nature of tabletop gaming.

This. Entirely this.
I personally hate digital app integration with board games.
I'm thinking ahead to decades in the future.
App support will eventually drop.
iPads will eventually be obsolete.
If the game requires the app in order for the gamer to have the complete experience, then the game is a product of the present, and its future is bleak and unknown.

I hate that.

Give me paper and ink any day.

If the App is just *another way* to track game information and is not the only means of acquiring new content, I won't have a problem with it.

I will be very sad if they don't print treasure card decks and make those available for purchase.
And how would you place dice on character cards if they were just on the app (some abilities require this, based on the spoilers we've seen)?
They had better print those and make them purchasable... :(

If they don't, I at least hope there will be a way for me to buy the DLC and grab the graphics so that I can print them myself...

Ergh. Will have to wait and see.

Going by what else is in the market and how GW handle the AoS app, my money would be on a 'character pack' that includes rules, skills, items, etc., but also the option to buy them separately - although the combined individual price will be higher than the discounted 'packs'.

I do not understand how are we suppose to work with the app in regards to the character sheet. So if I buy the game to play with friends and want to play with all new characters, do I need an app from each player, or are we suppose to print the character sheet?

They could do something more akin to Fantasy Flight app for Descent, where the app controls the dungeon master side of the game.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I would love a box set with 20 of those gobbos in the future.

It seems like almost everyone else hates those models so you should be able to pick up lots for cheap once people start splitting up the box contents to sell separately 2nd hand.

I'll be keeping an eye out for all those leftover goblin spider thingees.

Should be nice and cheap with the amount of hate they've gotten around here!

Small gripe... Silver Tower: not Silver -

ruhe.bryan wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I think digital-only content for a board game is kind of a pity given the tactile nature of tabletop gaming.

This. Entirely this.
I personally hate digital app integration with board games.
I'm thinking ahead to decades in the future.
App support will eventually drop.
iPads will eventually be obsolete.
If the game requires the app in order for the gamer to have the complete experience, then the game is a product of the present, and its future is bleak and unknown.

I hate that.

Give me paper and ink any day.

If the App is just *another way* to track game information and is not the only means of acquiring new content, I won't have a problem with it.

I will be very sad if they don't print treasure card decks and make those available for purchase.
And how would you place dice on character cards if they were just on the app (some abilities require this, based on the spoilers we've seen)?
They had better print those and make them purchasable... :(

If they don't, I at least hope there will be a way for me to buy the DLC and grab the graphics so that I can print them myself...

Ergh. Will have to wait and see.

I recently picked up an i-pad app to replace my malfunctioning Dark Tower. Down the road someone will make an app (or spreadsheet) to replace apps now long dead.

I'm not at all concerned about the app; as long as the boardgame itself has enough to keep me occupied, I can make the rest up if I run out things to do - its not like it's going to be hard to make this stuff up for our own games - and it'll probably be better balanced than anything GW comes up with anyways.

For me, the big question is if this will be compatible with the old Warhammer Quest (and its add-ons). If it is, then the only issue I have is setting aside enough to purchase this before it sells out.

seems theres no leveling up? that would be a dealbreaker for me

Levelling up has been mentioned in the app details and some of the other leaked character info

I'll trade two gobbos for one cultist/beastman/horrorif anyone wants those weird buggers. If not I'll make them even weirder and run them as bug mutants

PS: Pointing Gnoblar with a Skaven cleaver and the old moonface banner top = great little guy. My first Tzeentch ever conversion, happening by accident.

I get a ton of mileage out of the AoS app, so I have decent expectations for the WHQ one.

 endtransmission wrote:
Levelling up has been mentioned in the app details and some of the other leaked character info

I honestly cant see how to level with this sheet.

Unless, OFC, there are more than one for each hero

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

Agreed, it sounds horrible. GW are so obsessed with grabbing every penny that falls out of their customer pockets, that they don't see the huge pile of cash just in front of them.. I don't think this new app will brings in more than few 10k of $. I think it would have been a lot more profitabe for them to only use this as a marketing tool: to justify the cost of their already too expensaive heroes clampack. and to bring in new blood.

sadysaneto wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:
Levelling up has been mentioned in the app details and some of the other leaked character info

I honestly cant see how to level with this sheet.

Unless, OFC, there are more than one for each hero

If it is anything like the last edition (or dungeon saga and Descent) that card will be the level one/intro sheet with levelling info in one of the books. They have explicitly mentioned spending Renown to gain skills during a campaign and using the app to help track this

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

Agreed, it sounds horrible. GW are so obsessed with grabbing every penny that falls out of their customer pockets, that they don't see the huge pile of cash just in front of them.. I don't think this new app will brings in more than few 10k of $. I think it would have been a lot more profitabe for them to only use this as a marketing tool: to justify the cost of their already too expensaive heroes clampack. and to bring in new blood.

Except we don't know they are doing that. I can understand being apprehensive about what they might do but this comment makes it seem like you have already determined they will release the absolute worst-case scenario. Do you have extra information? Please share if so!

It sounds like you can gain skills and items in the course of the campaign, but there really is no "leveling up" aside from that.

Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

Also, I suspect the nine missions are sort of a linked campaign, like with Deathwatch, rather than generic reusable scenarios. Original Warhammer Quest I believe had 30 scenarios, that could be played randomly in any order and repeated over time.

I think this game is going to be much more limited in scope than Warhammer Quest, and really just focused on playing through the campaign storyline, with very limited character advancement.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
It sounds like you can gain skills and items in the course of the campaign, but there really is no "leveling up" aside from that.

Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

yup.

looks like you leveling consists of getting new gear and skils.

Core game must come with gear/skills for like 5 lvls? 10?

so you could "lvl" you character up to lvl 10 with the core box.

lvl 11-20 gear/skills, would be an add on.

Like most dungeon crawlers do.

preorder is 5/14 or release date?
im assuming preorder so release is what, like the 21st?

sadysaneto wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
It sounds like you can gain skills and items in the course of the campaign, but there really is no "leveling up" aside from that.

Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

yup.

looks like you leveling consists of getting new gear and skils.

Core game must come with gear/skills for like 5 lvls? 10?

so you could "lvl" you character up to lvl 10 with the core box.

lvl 11-20 gear/skills, would be an add on.

Like most dungeon crawlers do.

That seems extremely unlikely. There are only 9 missions in the game. I doubt you level up more than once per mission. Besides, what would be the point of having 10 skills? How many could you even really make use of?

Albino Squirrel wrote:
It sounds like you can gain skills and items in the course of the campaign, but there really is no "leveling up" aside from that.

Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

I like this idea. It appeals to the "dice placement" lover in me (I'm primarily a boardgamer, having been slowly drawn into GW by things like Space Hulk - 1st edition, mind you - Deathwatch, and BaC)...
Would be pretty neat to have a deck of small cards that are new Skills, each with a description of the ability, its stats, and a dice slot. Would make it easy to add new skills and to understand how they work.




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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
preorder is 5/14 or release date?
im assuming preorder so release is what, like the 21st?

Right.

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Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.
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Albino Squirrel wrote:

sadysaneto wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
It sounds like you can gain skills and items in the course of the campaign, but there really is no "leveling up" aside from that.

Based on the card, I'm guessing at the beginning of your turn your roll four dice and put them in those boxes with their scores showing. Then you can spend them to perform actions, but the score on the die you spend has to match the score of the action. For example, you'd need to spend a die that rolled a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

yup.

looks like you leveling consists of getting new gear and skils.

Core game must come with gear/skills for like 5 lvls? 10?

so you could "lvl" you character up to lvl 10 with the core box.

lvl 11-20 gear/skills, would be an add on.

Like most dungeon crawlers do.

That seems extremely unlikely. There are only 9 missions in the game. I doubt you level up more than once per mission. Besides, what would be the point of having 10 skills? How many could you even really make use of?

well, you start at level 1 + 9 missions, one level per mission = 10

and when i said skills, i chose my words poorly, i was thinking like new skils and upgrading skiill. Like you get a fireball, then fireball lvl 2?

anyway, its just guessing

Albino Squirrel wrote:
...a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

Look, I know it's a real word, but can we also just take a moment to agree on the silliness in choosing "Bedazzle" as the action name? "On a 6+, transform your enemies into extremely blingy, tacky fashion accessories. Gain +1 Renown, -1 Street Cred."

/aside over

Eating up every detail of this. My wallet hurts already.

Bedazzling seems like a very elfy (or aelfy) thing to do if you ask me.

ruhe.bryan wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
...a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

Look, I know it's a real word, but can we also just take a moment to agree on the silliness in choosing "Bedazzle" as the action name?

Spoiler:

"On a 6+, transform your enemies into extremely blingy, tacky fashion accessories. Gain +1 Renown, -1 Street Cred."

/aside over

Eating up every detail of this. My wallet hurts already.

You do realize anyone under the age of... oh, thirty, probably has no idea what that is, nor saw the classic commercials? :-p

Have these pictures of the new Age of Sigmar Realm of Battle board been posted: http://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2016/05/games-workshop-upcoming-age-of-sigmar.html

from warfo forum

ruhe.bryan wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
...a 6 to perform Bedazzle.

Look, I know it's a real word, but can we also just take a moment to agree on the silliness in choosing "Bedazzle" as the action name?

Spoiler:

"On a 6+, transform your enemies into extremely blingy, tacky fashion accessories. Gain +1 Renown, -1 Street Cred."

/aside over

Eating up every detail of this. My wallet hurts already.

Surely that's one of the sacred machines of the Omnissiah used by the Astartes during the heresy to affix molecular bonding studs to their armour?

Confirmation of support for monsters not in the box, coupled with the idea of the App has me excited. If the volume of total available content is truly epic, I will be very pleased.

Do 'combined' sprues like that make it less likely that these miniatures will be sold separately at some point?

 Alpharius wrote:
Do 'combined' sprues like that make it less likely that these miniatures will be sold separately at some point?

Less likely that they'll be sold separately as they are, yeah. They may do a proper full kit for some of them though (Tzeengors would be awesome).

^^ I always wondered how marines affixed their sevice studs to their forehead.

Meh. I got all excited seeing a re-release of Warhammer Quest. Then saw the contents list started with those fantasy 'space marines' :-(

Has any company started making decent replacement heads for those things yet?

There's only one Stormcast in the box.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Meh. I got all excited seeing a re-release of Warhammer Quest. Then saw the contents list started with those fantasy 'space marines' :-(

Has any company started making decent replacement heads for those things yet?

Any of those Space Wolf heads. I have a facebook post showing several different heads here. Im pretty sure its open to the public, I dont understand Facebook =/
https://www.facebook.com/Ctrl-Alt-Fantasy-651262378271055/photos

guru wrote:
from warfo forum

Spoiler:

that board is weird...not sure i like it

Thats pretty cool the WHQ book already has extra entries for units not included in the board game. Time to go trawl Ebay.

So, those tiles are set up in an inch grid right?
So I could use my hundreds of DND tiles or custom 3D super dungeon explore tiles?
That makes me excited.

Edit:
Looked a little closer and it might be closer to an inch and a half??

Interesting. I wonder if the AoS RoBG tiles are being sold individually or in a set of six?

From the pictures it would seem that they'll be sold individually to be inserted with the original RoBG.

I think the grids are more than an inch. At least 30mm. I'm assuming the little griffon is on a 25mm base. There is a picture that clearly shows that he doesn't take up nearly the entire square. The other characters (except sigmarite) are presumably on 32 mm bases, and they take up nearly the entire square.

Really liking the RoB board. Maybe entice me to buy one. Any of the shops offer a discount on those or are they GW only?

It looks like we still may be drawing random tiles since it looks like there's a card with a map setup. That's a good sign.

Heck, there may still be a randomized dungeon crawl tucked away in there...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Really liking the RoB board. Maybe entice me to buy one. Any of the shops offer a discount on those or are they GW only?

This. Id like to get a ROB board but maybe as a 4x4 so separate discounted tiles would be amazing

The Aos facebook page has offical pics of 4 of the characters up on it posted just now. Sorry cant link on phone.

Skullhammer wrote:
The Aos facebook page has offical pics of 4 of the characters up on it posted just now. Sorry cant link on phone.

And some fairly cheeky commentary from GW

So, it looks like some pictures of the new Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower miniatures have escaped the labyrinth of madness and found their way onto the internet. (Clearly this was Tzeentch’s plan all along.)

But we don’t want you guys to have to squint at half-focused images taken by a gibbering camera familiar.
Here are some proper quality images of the new miniatures for you to gawp at.

We’ll have more news on the new game soon, so stay posted.

Start your quest in stores on the 21st May:
https://www.games-workshop.com/Store-Finder…

And meet the team behind the new game at Warhammer Fest:
http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/warhammer-fest-20…/

Sooo yeah, someone over on warfo already has a copy in hand, apparently. Details on the rules (if he's not making it all up) here http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=240221&page=13

And some of the models fresh off the sprue, from the same post.


~Tim?

But we don’t want you guys to have to squint at half-focused images taken by a gibbering camera familiar.

Let's hope this means GW is reconsidering its customer-hostile policy of revealing next to nothing before pre-orders go up, making customers rely on people who seem to take the worst pics (a coincidence I'm sure).

I honestly like a couple of the miniatures better now that I can see them more clearly.

Cataphract wrote:

Skullhammer wrote:
The Aos facebook page has offical pics of 4 of the characters up on it posted just now. Sorry cant link on phone.

And some fairly cheeky commentary from GW

So, it looks like some pictures of the new Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower miniatures have escaped the labyrinth of madness and found their way onto the internet. (Clearly this was Tzeentch’s plan all along.)

But we don’t want you guys to have to squint at half-focused images taken by a gibbering camera familiar.
Here are some proper quality images of the new miniatures for you to gawp at.

We’ll have more news on the new game soon, so stay posted.

Start your quest in stores on the 21st May:
https://www.games-workshop.com/Store-Finder…

And meet the team behind the new game at Warhammer Fest:
http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/warhammer-fest-20…/

Lol Fantastic.

I really like all the miniatures. definitely on my to buy list right after deathwatch.

I like that the fyre slayer has a fyre poker.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Sooo yeah, someone over on warfo already has a copy in hand, apparently. Details on the rules (if he's not making it all up) here http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=240221&page=13

I hope it's full co-op. That means it could be played solo...
But the retailer info says 2-4 players. Hmmmm.

I'm loving the sorcerer and the ogre thaumaturge

The miniatures look amazing, but the board sections art is amorphous and NO PLASTIC DOORWAY CONNECTORS makes me sad. :-D

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The miniatures look amazing, but the board sections art is amorphous and NO PLASTIC DOORWAY CONNECTORS makes me sad. :-D

Yeah the door ways are a big miss for me too.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It looks like we still may be drawing random tiles since it looks like there's a card with a map setup. That's a good sign.

Heck, there may still be a randomized dungeon crawl tucked away in there...

From one of the photos it also appears that the monsters have a "Behaviour Table", which may imply that no dungeon master is needed, and thus enabling solo play. We have to wait and see.

I'm not a Tzn player, but man those look great.

This is going to get a lot of play at the FLGS.

Well, models look stellar. I would love this to have even some of the spark that the original WHQ had, so I'll be keeping an eye out for reviews of the game.

with this release of Tzangor Im hoping they release the Khornegor. Beastmen with Mastif heads and pawed feet. Leaders had Flesh hound heads.

It will be mine. Oh yes, it will be... Fantasy finally getting a boxed game. BOOYAH!

Ernster wrote:
with this release of Tzangor Im hoping they release the Khornegor. Beastmen with Mastif heads and pawed feet. Leaders had Flesh hound heads.

I hope they do Slaangor first, as Khornegor and Pestigor have already had models before, and Tzeench and Slaanesh always get left out.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Ernster wrote:
with this release of Tzangor Im hoping they release the Khornegor. Beastmen with Mastif heads and pawed feet. Leaders had Flesh hound heads.

I hope they do Slaangor first, as Khornegor and Pestigor have already had models before, and Tzeench and Slaanesh always get left out.

What animal would Slaangor take after?

I could see Fiend-style heads for Slaangors. There used to be a metal Slaanesh Champion that had a Fiend head and it looked great.

Snake/serpentine for Slaanesh would make sense, as it has some precedent with Fulgrim and the mounted lord. Other than that, leopard beastmen would also be cool to see

Definitely snakeheads, for..reasons...

Love the FB's response with gibbering camera familiars.

Oh hey! It's Cataphract from Spacebattles.com! Your AoS posts there are great, keep up the good work!

The Slaangor in the 80's had primarily Bovine or cattle heads. They pretty much looked like the old keeper of secrets.

The pestigor were beastmen that were bloated and pox riden. The horns of each factions beastmen often grew into their chaos gods symbol.

The designation of beastmen would be cool for all factions. Perhaps this is GW's intent?

That said, I am interested in this game being absent from GW for several years.


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I do hope they also incorporate Terrain and possible 3d objectives as well.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Oh hey! It's Cataphract from Spacebattles.com! Your AoS posts there are great, keep up the good work!

SB'ers are unavoidable.

Somehow feline beastmen for Slaanesh could fit.
No, Im not thinking cheetas and panthers, Im thinking cute angora cats all wacked out on catnip lazily jabbing at some close by distraction.
GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

 Fayric wrote:
Somehow feline beastmen for Slaanesh could fit.
No, Im not thinking cheetas and panthers, Im thinking cute angora cats all wacked out on catnip lazily jabbing at some close by distraction.
GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

Warhammer: Age of Neko

I like it!

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

95% of the new arwork is 'clean' though. No mud, no blood, no grit. Clean drawn stuff of only existing models, mostly mid-swing.
Agree with you on Slaanesh, though.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

Anything that is even remotely negative that can be said about AOS, will be said.

That´s how it rolls.


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 Hanskrampf wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems to be searching for a more family friendly version of slaanesh, and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

95% of the new arwork is 'clean' though. No mud, no blood, no grit. Clean drawn stuff of only existing models, mostly mid-swing.
Agree with you on Slaanesh, though.

Dunno, i find the battletomes pretty gritty and bloody, as well as the novels.

Khorgos khul is fething brute.

Well, it is true that, since there aren't really any humans left to butcher in artwork or stories that AoS IS more family friendly.

There is a difference in orcs fighting golden cans and khorne warriors ripping out human heads.

More news, i guess

So it seems that unlike the previous game, you can't level up your statistics, and you only keep equipment and skills between dungeons?

It says their renown will steadily grow...perhaps "renown" is a statistic/characteristic?

 Mymearan wrote:
So it seems that unlike the previous game, you can't level up your statistics, and you only keep equipment and skills between dungeons?

looks like it

Renown reads like points you gain by killing enemies, and then use to purchase skills. Those skills can be retained between dungeons, along with equipment. Doesn't mention any between-dungeons activities at all, like going into town etc. A shame if so. I haven't played WHQ but it sounded like fun. For those who have, how much of the appeal of the game would be lost with the above changes?

motski wrote:
It says their renown will steadily grow...perhaps "renown" is a statistic/characteristic?

looks like its a resource, but who knows?

right now, my impression is that theres no leveling, just upgrading skills and gear?

what is kinda of leveling, anyway.

Maybe Renown is a replacement for what Gold used to be used for in the original Warhammer Quest. Gold was both a measure of wealth and character experience.

Nope. Guy Haley, who wrote the Slaanesh story in Fryreslayers anthology, and actually David who did the Advent Call to Chaose as well did the other Slaanesh teaser story, both said in our very recent interviews that the whole Slaanesh going away that was bupkiss The Advent story was a fantastic and exciting read which makes me eager to see how they work in Slaanesh's return in the meta story. Maybe ending or after Realm Gate Wars. Who knows?

 zedmeister wrote:
Maybe Renown is a replacement for what Gold used to be used for in the original Warhammer Quest. Gold was both a measure of wealth and character experience.

I thought it was "Er...gold" now

 Accolade wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Maybe Renown is a replacement for what Gold used to be used for in the original Warhammer Quest. Gold was both a measure of wealth and character experience.

I thought it was "Er...gold" now

Damnit, I need to learn to read better

 Mymearan wrote:
Renown reads like points you gain by killing enemies, and then use to purchase skills. Those skills can be retained between dungeons, along with equipment. Doesn't mention any between-dungeons activities at all, like going into town etc. A shame if so. I haven't played WHQ but it sounded like fun. For those who have, how much of the appeal of the game would be lost with the above changes?

A hell of a lot. This is looking less like a new edition and more like a similar style game with the WHQ title slapped on it.

 Mymearan wrote:
Renown reads like points you gain by killing enemies, and then use to purchase skills. Those skills can be retained between dungeons, along with equipment. Doesn't mention any between-dungeons activities at all, like going into town etc. A shame if so. I haven't played WHQ but it sounded like fun. For those who have, how much of the appeal of the game would be lost with the above changes?

This game doesn't seem to be very similar to Warhammer Quest, really. The rules seem pretty different, and obviously travelling and leveling up and having a completely open-ended campaign were a big part of Warhammer Quest. This is a very different game, without any of those aspects.

The randomizing the dungeon by drawing a card to see what the next room is, and what is in it, is the same. Being fully cooperative with an AI to run the enemies is the same. Same theme of a group of adventurers exploring a dungeon. But this game seems more limited in scope, really just containing one linked campaign of scenarios to be played in order, and not as open-ended as Warhammer Quest. Which I think is going to feel very different.

Reads similar to the D&D 5th ed boardgame system; which I've enjoyed playing.

Albino Squirrel wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Renown reads like points you gain by killing enemies, and then use to purchase skills. Those skills can be retained between dungeons, along with equipment. Doesn't mention any between-dungeons activities at all, like going into town etc. A shame if so. I haven't played WHQ but it sounded like fun. For those who have, how much of the appeal of the game would be lost with the above changes?

This game doesn't seem to be very similar to Warhammer Quest, really. The rules seem pretty different, and obviously travelling and leveling up and having a completely open-ended campaign were a big part of Warhammer Quest. This is a very different game, without any of those aspects.

The randomizing the dungeon by drawing a card to see what the next room is, and what is in it, is the same. Being fully cooperative with an AI to run the enemies is the same. Same theme of a group of adventurers exploring a dungeon. But this game seems more limited in scope, really just containing one linked campaign of scenarios to be played in order, and not as open-ended as Warhammer Quest. Which I think is going to feel very different.

Let's all hope there is a follow up book for "Free/Campaign Play" then.

No leveling up but buying upgrades between quests? Sounds like HeroQuest to me.

No nitpicky complaints from this guy.

Honestly, coming from team HeroQuest this all sounds great to me. I have not a single complaint so far. That is, unless it turns in to micro transaction hell that some were speculating on.

 matphat wrote:
Honestly, coming from team HeroQuest this all sounds great to me. I have not a single complaint so far. That is, unless it turns in to micro transaction hell that some were speculating on.

Agreed, it all looks good so far. I won't mind the odd micro transaction here and there, but I hope it's not a core element to the game.

Neronoxx wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems [invalid and unfair statement not needed to be repeated yet again], and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

My apologies.
I had that unfair rumor as a personal theory long before AoS, and dont see it as hate to point out GW is going through changes.
I do however realise it could be percieved as uneccesary negative (this is internet, after all) and apologise for contributing to making these forums more hostile.
I might as well apologize for my silly off topic post, that I admit, was basicly just a stab at some quick lulz rather than a serious rumor discussion.

Why don't they have female models as well?

 pities2004 wrote:
Why don't they have female models as well?

One of the elves is female so...

And who's to say what any of the demons are.

 pities2004 wrote:
Why don't they have female models as well?

They do. Mistweaver is a female aelf wizard. It's just impossible to tell because she isn't sporting 58-K's.
You either have realistic representation of female adventurers ( which this is) or you have unrealistic women whose bodily image is 'unhealthy' to the psyche of real women everywhere.
That being said it is difficult to ascertain any gender identity when the figure is in robes and wearing a mask, but I'm not complaining.

 pities2004 wrote:
Why don't they have female models as well?

Because "GW". They are still in the mentality that 13-year-olds (their believed core customer base) don't want to play with icky girls, it seems.

Also, people seem to forget that the original Warhammer Quest had all kinds of "microtransactions" way back when, with the individual figures you could buy, treasure packs and whatnot. To think they won't embrace that sort of economy in this day and age is ludicrious for anyone whose observed their business practices for any time now.

 Fayric wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

GW seems [invalid and unfair statement not needed to be repeated yet again], and there you have it.

This needs to stop. There is literally no proof of this, but everyone and their dog keeps saying it.
Slaanesh isn't leaving and they aren't 'child proofing' it. If you disagree, please back up your statement with evidence other than "but slaanesh isn't in sigmar" because that's already been debunked.
What you posted was literally just a rumor circling the AoS forums created by detractors of the game to drum up hate.

My apologies.
I had that unfair rumor as a personal theory long before AoS, and dont see it as hate to point out GW is going through changes.
I do however realise it could be percieved as uneccesary negative (this is internet, after all) and apologise for contributing to making these forums more hostile.
I might as well apologize for my silly off topic post, that I admit, was basicly just a stab at some quick lulz rather than a serious rumor discussion.

Don't apologize. This is the internet, and you are able to say whatever you want about any topic at any time.
No one is offended, and there is no harm done.

People do get offended. Toy soldiers is serious business.

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Plus you know, Stormcast Eternals can also be women. Don't need boob-plates to show that they are a lady.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
People do get offended. Toy soldiers is serious business.

Sure, but being offended is a personal choice.

*Must not buy any more RoBGs* Damn it GW.

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 Stormonu wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
Why don't they have female models as well?

Because "GW". They are still in the mentality that 13-year-olds (their believed core customer base) don't want to play with icky girls, it seems.

Also, people seem to forget that the original Warhammer Quest had all kinds of "microtransactions" way back when, with the individual figures you could buy, treasure packs and whatnot. To think they won't embrace that sort of economy in this day and age is ludicrious for anyone whose observed their business practices for any time now.

so, I bought the game. Then bought the character pack I wanted. Still using them 21 years later, yet to see another microtransaction to let me upgrade his amulets or something.

neck beard, lol...
one thing id like to see is for them to break the norm.
lets see a female barbarian or a female dwarf.

myth did a male/female version of each of their characters and I thought that was extremely cool.

Be polite guys!

 Ratius wrote:
Be polite guys!

EXACTLY.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
neck beard, lol...
one thing id like to see is for them to break the norm.
lets see a female barbarian or a female dwarf.

myth did a male/female version of each of their characters and I thought that was extremely cool.

Female Barbarians aren't unheard of miniature wise, it's just impossible to find any that are wearing clothes.
Female dwarf on the other hand? That would be extremely interesting from GW. But probably too much too soon. Maybe next year.

Neronoxx wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
neck beard, lol...
one thing id like to see is for them to break the norm.
lets see a female barbarian or a female dwarf.

myth did a male/female version of each of their characters and I thought that was extremely cool.

Female Barbarians aren't unheard of miniature wise, it's just impossible to find any that are wearing clothes.
Female dwarf on the other hand? That would be extremely interesting from GW. But probably too much too soon. Maybe next year.

To be fair Barbarians of any type aren't particularly well known for their ability to wear layers.

Female dwarfs are old news for GW. Queen Helga



Maybe they could come back with a cheesecake version for 2016. Grudge of Thong a whole campaign suppliment.

Anyway. I am loving everything for WHQ so far... except the floor tiles. Not sure the blue and gold swirls do it for me. They are no doubt very tzeentchy but are the walls and ceilings the same? What happened to good ol' flagstones.

Here's a link for the masters of DLC - Disney:

Disney

Would GW give us extra content at $14 a pop?