Hey guys, sorry if this has been addressed already but I did a quick search and didn't find an older thread on the subject.

When should we be expecting Wave 8? I figure it's safe to assume that's when we'll see T-70 and FO TIE single packs?

I'd like to finish up my collection (with the exception of the huge ships) and was curious about how much time I had before another wave came out. What's the standard length of time between releases? Do we think that the new movies will accelerate or decelerate this? Wave 7 came out quite recently, right?

Well, they say Q4 2015, so my guess is February.

They are probably aiming for Late November/Early December, to catch movie hype/Christmas rush. That said, we have not seen detailed previews for most of the Wave 8 stuff, so it's still a ways away.

Alex Davey (lead designer) seemed pretty sure they'd be out for Novemeber the last time I heard an interview with him, but I'm incredibly salty on that.

That said, the ships must have been ready to go for a while (previews were at Gencon) so while they're still showing "in development" it wouldn't be utterly beyond reason for a late Nov/early Dec launch.

Just unlikely.

I know FFG doesn't typically get waves out on time, but given the fact that Episode VII is being released in December, I have a feeling that we'll see Wave 8 before then.

I suspect there is Major pressure from Disney to get the Force Awakens stuff out in time for the film release. I'd be surprised if we had to wait till February.

 LuciusAR wrote:
I suspect there is Major pressure from Disney to get the Force Awakens stuff out in time for the film release. I'd be surprised if we had to wait till February.

Well, those two Awakens ships at the very least, are sculpted, approved, paintmasked, etc as we already have them in a different format. I think if worse comes to worst, they may get released as a "mini-wave" if the other ships aren't ready. Are Huge Ships typically lumped in with a wave or released on their own?

The Gozanti is ahead of the others anyway, already at the printers IIRC

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
I suspect there is Major pressure from Disney to get the Force Awakens stuff out in time for the film release. I'd be surprised if we had to wait till February.

Well, those two Awakens ships at the very least, are sculpted, approved, paintmasked, etc as we already have them in a different format. I think if worse comes to worst, they may get released as a "mini-wave" if the other ships aren't ready. Are Huge Ships typically lumped in with a wave or released on their own?

Huge ships are not part of waves.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Alex Davey (lead designer) seemed pretty sure they'd be out for Novemeber the last time I heard an interview with him, but I'm incredibly salty on that.

Yeah, I'm also getting pretty skeptical about that claim. If FFG is still on schedule for a November release then where are the previews? Normally we get one ship a week, with a couple of last "don't forget there's a new wave to buy" articles at the very end as the ships are on their way to the stores. Even assuming that FFG publishes the first preview tomorrow and drops the end-of-wave filler there's barely enough room to get them out by the end of November. My guess is things are behind schedule and FFG is holding the previews until they know what the new release date is going to be.

Mondays are nearly always preview day (as its my club night, and they invariably appear whole I'm there.) If there isn't one this week, I'd say before Christmas is very dicey.

Gizantiis on the boat, it was announce a couple of weeks before wave 8

Whenever, its never soon enough!

Azreal13 wrote:The Gozanti is ahead of the others anyway, already at the printers IIRC

buckero0 wrote:Gizantiis on the boat, it was announce a couple of weeks before wave 8

Just checked the page at FFG. Wave 8 is still "In Development". The Gozanti is on the boat!!! That means that we will likely see the Gozanti before Christmas... Wave 8 is very unlikely. I'd say that a May release for Wave 8 is more likely. They are way at the bottom of the page.

Wave 8 has been in development since August though, and while I too am skeptical (but hopeful) of a pre-Xmas release, May is a little pessimistic.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Wave 8 has been in development since August though, and while I too am skeptical (but hopeful) of a pre-Xmas release, May is a little pessimistic.

I did preorder the Imperial Raider the day after Christmas and it didn't arrive until late summer. Wave 8 was announced Summer: May might be too optimistic.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Wave 8 has been in development since August though, and while I too am skeptical (but hopeful) of a pre-Xmas release, May is a little pessimistic.

I did preorder the Imperial Raider the day after Christmas and it didn't arrive until late summer. Wave 8 was announced Summer: May might be too optimistic.

Maybe the OP can make a poll, and we can put our guesses there.

But what do we win for being the closest?

Is FFG on a Kickstarter schedule, then?

Seamingly, yes.
Getting through the ports around the Pacific seem to be problem.

If they do end up overshooting the movie by a bit, maybe they'll wait until Disney releases it on Triple Disc Combo Pack with Digital Download(tm).

At least they don't "put them back in the vault" like they used to do...

All the stores here have been saying halfway into january for weeks (I'm in europe) since we tend to be about a month late compared to the US, half of December seems like its FFG's target date (and the new movie comes out on the 12th I believe?) seems logical and plausible to me.

The delay may be so as to not spoil some details from the new movie?

spect_spidey wrote:
The delay may be so as to not spoil some details from the new movie?

No. The only ships related to the new movie in this wave are the only ones which we have actually seen the detailed preview for. The rest are related either to Legends or Rebels.

My guy has been told November for wave 8, if that means anything

Are the new single T-70 and TIE/FO ships officially in wave 8? Or are they wave 8.2?
Most Americans recognize the ridiculousness of Black Friday and I could totally see something being sold that day for sure. I'm hopeful that the others get a as close to Dec 18th release as possible to coincide with the movies. I really don't see the big deal as they've been selling Legos and action figures for 6 months

buckero0 wrote:
Are the new single T-70 and TIE/FO ships officially in wave 8? Or are they wave 8.2?

They're officially Wave 8, as per FFG's website.

Do you think they'll give us different paint masks?

I just finished my black/orange T-70 and it is gorgeous in those colours.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Do you think they'll give us different paint masks?

I just finished my black/orange T-70 and it is gorgeous in those colours.

I would not be surprised to see a "Resistance Aces" box turn up by the end of the Trilogy, with any new Falcon/T-70 pilots that appear. We may see it there.

... that would be a damn shame for me to have to repaint a second one just because I am impatient. But it would fit the pattern.

They could sell just the new radar dish for the Falcon. Not quite a prestige buy, but it is rather easy to change it on the existing model. (Of course, with a bunch of cards and tokens) I know, it won't happen. But I'd rather see new ships rather than repackages of old ones.

Wave 8 was last updated mid-September on the FFG Upcoming page. It is "Still in Development" not even at the printers. I can't see how November is reasonable. It takes at least 6 weeks to change from "On the Boat" to "Shipping Now"... "At the Printers" usually takes months as well. It's safe to say that we are AT LEAST 6 months out.

The long and the short of it is that X-Wing is taking a lot of the production capacity of game houses in China. Add in Armada, Imperial Assault, and Descent (not to mention other customers those game houses produce for) there has been a huge spike in demand over the last few years. There are a lot of moving pieces... cardboard, cards, the plastic clamshell, the models, the blue dot. If any of those aren't ready at the time the printer has slated, the whole job gets pushed back. To be honest, I'm really surprised that Christian even said "End of the Year" at the Flight Report at Gencon when only the new core-set was on the boat.

To reiterate... there is nothing in the T-70 or TIE-FO clamshells that hasn't been revealed already. There are no 'hidden' pilots, etc.

I expect to see a Kessel Run/Massing at Sullist event for wave 8 in May... they are going to miss that 'end of the year' target by that much. I'm just glad that FFG does do fun things for their customers and fans like those events when things go awry.

I also hope to see a new Aces boxes next fall... hopefully connected to the Star Wars: Rogue One movie. Maybe new pilots for the TIE Bomber and Y-Wing? I am hoping that we FFG will get enough of a forewarning from Lucas Film that they can actually include pilots with NAMES in a product like this.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

To reiterate... there is nothing in the T-70 or TIE-FO clamshells that hasn't been revealed already. There are no 'hidden' pilots, etc.

Wrong. Here's a list of unknowns from the Two kits:

-PS7 T-70- name and ability unknown
-"Targeting Astromech"- name only partially visible, ability only partiality visible
-"Epsilon Ace"- Name only partially visible, ability unknown
-"Zeta Leader"- Name only partially visible, ability unknown.

Costs unknown for all.

OK.

I just want the Gozanti for my home-brew pirate squadron. I dont want a full huge ship, and I have never liked the look of the Calamari transports. Plus I want guns.

Minor update: All the Wave 8 ships are now listed as "At the Printers", and the Gozanti is "On the Boat".

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Minor update: All the Wave 8 ships are now listed as "At the Printers", and the Gozanti is "On the Boat".

The T-70 X-wing and TIE/fo fighter expansion packs are now "On The Boat."

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
Minor update: All the Wave 8 ships are now listed as "At the Printers", and the Gozanti is "On the Boat".

The T-70 X-wing and TIE/fo fighter expansion packs are now "On The Boat."

Yeah, my guess is that they want them out in time for Movie Hype. Meaning that the rest of the Wave is probably not going to come out until next year.

It'll give me a chance to flesh out my collection in the meantime. It's amazing how complete my gamut feels, even if there are a few holes in my collection, compared to other wargames.

That is one thing that FFG has done well with this game... between the structure of upgrades and the price point of expansions, they have created a situation where most players are going to buy most expansions. Right now, the only expansions I don't have are the Tantive IV, Hounds Tooth, and Scyk. $15 and $19 US packs are easy grabs when going to the game store and the larger kits are nice things to save up a bit for. Compared to what $30 gets me in other games, I feel that the X-Wing stuff is a good value, especially since it is playable right out of the box.

My feelings too.

In the GW-centric threads, some people always seem to struggle with the concept of price=/=value. X Wing ships are relatively expensive for what you get, but the amount they offer in terms of how much gameplay they introduce with each ship and upgrades makes them tremendous value, IMO

Agreed. The faction mentality is a nice break away from 40K-esque games, too. The way they have split upgrade cards means you are "forced" to buy outside your faction, but at that price point, it's just not a big issue.

Just a bit of an update, the TIE/FO and T-70 are now "On the Boat" on FFG's website.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
That is one thing that FFG has done well with this game... between the structure of upgrades and the price point of expansions, they have created a situation where most players are going to buy most expansions. Right now, the only expansions I don't have are the Tantive IV, Hounds Tooth, and Scyk. $15 and $19 US packs are easy grabs when going to the game store and the larger kits are nice things to save up a bit for. Compared to what $30 gets me in other games, I feel that the X-Wing stuff is a good value, especially since it is playable right out of the box.

I agree to a point, yet there are several times where I have " had to" buy an expansion and end up selling the ship and just keep the cards. Also with the T-70 and TIE/FO I feel that there should be double Juke and Intergrated Astromech cards and there aren't. What am I going to do with several T-70 and TIE FO ships if I'm not a spammer or fly the named ships? If you bought the core set, I feel these expansions are redundant as everyone is going to want multiples of the cards but not multiples of the ship expansions IMO. The only thing I use from the core II set is my Wired card, an occasional small asteroid and POE, and that's rare as I mostly fly scum.

Bukero0, I see your point. Core II is has been produced at a different time in a different environment from Core I. As a result, it has a different value than the first. Value also varies from person to person... particularly in your case where you mostly fly a single faction.

For example,I don't really think that I'm going to buy a second Core II set myself now that I won't need the second damage deck to loan out at local events.

That doesn't diminish the fact that FFG has really made a collector's game with X-Wing. Other than the Scyk, which really missed the mark, all of the expansions offer something that most players are going to want.

The Scyk has a Mangler Cannon. If you need more than two, it's the cheaper alternative.

Yes, but the stand out for the wave was the IG-2000 Aggressor and the Syck under performs.

Oh I agree. I keep trying to make a list with it, but always drop it in the end. I prefer the headhunter, in the end.

Since we'll have the major ships of Rebels included in Wave 8, do you think the following waves will a)steer away from that show from now on and b)also steer clear of the "Legends" material for future waves?

We'll have ships for most of the last three episodes, even just for characters who got a whopping 15 seconds screen time. Will we see even more fan service (such as the Wild Karrde) or will it be ships exclusively from the new Canon as established by Disney?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Since we'll have the major ships of Rebels included in Wave 8, do you think the following waves will a)steer away from that show from now on and b)also steer clear of the "Legends" material for future waves?

No.

None of the Scum ships in Wave 8 exist anywhere but in Legends material. There is no reason to think that FFG won't continue to pull from the wealth of subjects.

I'm not sure where FFG is going to go from here. It does seem to be some sort of transition.
With Wave 8, FFG will complete the bounty hunters seen in Empire. They aren't solely from Legends.. they all had figures way back in the 80's. It also begins two other eras of ships, Rebels (BBY5) and Force Awakens (ABY 34).

Some of the options:
Clone Wars ships... this one has been beat to death on other forums. Consensus is that it will have to be a different system of stats in order to have meaningful distinctions between the ships.
Continue with The Force Awakens era... obviously they are going this direction. We've seen how they are going to handle having meaningful distinctions between that era and the original trilogy era.... tech upgrades. It will be interesting to see what else comes out for those ships.
Ships of their own design. We have seen this with both the Imperial Raider and the TIE Punisher. I can see them using this path to fill in spaces where designwise there is a need and there isn't a current cannon ship that fills that need.
Finally, there are the off-year movies. Currently filming is Star Wars:Rogue One. There are rumors of a Han Solo origin movie, as well as a Boba Fett solo movie. These can introduce a lot of characters and ships. I fully expect to see and Aces style release in support of Rogue One.

The Boba Fett solo movie is him being digested for 90 minutes? Gross...

And with Alan Tudyk in the Rogue One movie, I hope theire is a Title card "Serenity." There won't, for obvious reasons, but one can hope.

SPJ, I said "after Wave 8." Wave 8 was most probably in the planning stages when Disney scooped up the property. Or the Bounty Hunters from ESB were given a sort of swan song to fill out the Scum faction, but I seriously doubt we'll see more Legends material after that. I'll be happily surprised if it happens. Like I said. Wilde Karrde. Could be a nifty epic Scum ship.

Spoiler from Aftermath. Serious...

I must have blocked that part out of my mind. I read that book not a month ago.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
With Wave 8, FFG will complete the bounty hunters seen in Empire. They aren't solely from Legends.. they all had figures way back in the 80's. It also begins two other eras of ships, Rebels (BBY5) and Force Awakens (ABY 34).

Figures aren't the same. The only bounty hunter ship we saw in the OT was Slave I so every other bounty hunter craft has come from the EU (or Legends or whatever it is).

Clone Wars ships... this one has been beat to death on other forums. Consensus is that it will have to be a different system of stats in order to have meaningful distinctions between the ships.

Not going to happen.

Continue with The Force Awakens era... obviously they are going this direction. We've seen how they are going to handle having meaningful distinctions between that era and the original trilogy era.... tech upgrades. It will be interesting to see what else comes out for those ships.

This is a given.

Ships of their own design. We have seen this with both the Imperial Raider and the TIE Punisher. I can see them using this path to fill in spaces where designwise there is a need and there isn't a current cannon ship that fills that need.

The TIE Punisher wasn't their design. It's the TIE Interdictor from Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds, they just renamed it (I'm guess because it was too close to TIE Interceptor). The Raider was their design, but they worked with Lucasfilm to do it and based on interviews I read it seems like it's kind of a "last resort" option.

Finally, there are the off-year movies. Currently filming is Star Wars:Rogue One. There are rumors of a Han Solo origin movie, as well as a Boba Fett solo movie. These can introduce a lot of characters and ships. I fully expect to see and Aces style release in support of Rogue One.

Also probably a given.

They're going to continue to release The Force Awakens ships and ships from the Rebellion Era.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
SPJ, I said "after Wave 8." Wave 8 was most probably in the planning stages when Disney scooped up the property. Or the Bounty Hunters from ESB were given a sort of swan song to fill out the Scum faction, but I seriously doubt we'll see more Legends material after that. I'll be happily surprised if it happens. Like I said. Wilde Karrde. Could be a nifty epic Scum ship.

Disney bought Lucasfilm and Star Wars in 2012, the same year the game debuted. Wave 8 was definitely not in the works back then. There is still lots of unused material to pull from, especially for Scum.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

And with Alan Tudyk in the Rogue One movie

Let me guess ... he plays a bothan spy. Dead, all dead.

How do the Reavers clean their spears?
They run them through a Wash...

It's already been three years since the purcahse? Oh my. Time does go by faster when you're older. I'd lost track.

Would an EPT called "Leaf on the Wind" be too on the nose?

 Anpu-adom wrote:
How do the Reavers clean their spears?
They run them through a Wash...

Too soon.

An upgrade card of "Pilot console dinosaurs" is surely a must, though.

EPT "Sudden, yet inevitable betrayal"

 Anpu-adom wrote:
EPT "Sudden, yet inevitable betrayal"

Scum Only. -4pt. This model may perform attacks against friendly ships. This model attacks each round if able.

Not to be "that guy" but when I see the Wave 8 thread bounce to the top, I'm kinda excited to see news about Wave 8...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Not to be "that guy" but when I see the Wave 8 thread bounce to the top, I'm kinda excited to see news about Wave 8...

I thought they'd aleady put a Whedon tribute into X-wing with the IG2000 title, you know the one that makes all the characters the same,,,

Dissing Whedon on this sort of forum?

Brave...

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
EPT "Sudden, yet inevitable betrayal"

Scum Only. -4pt. This model may perform attacks against friendly ships. This model attacks each round if able.

Come to think of it, this could be rather funny in a Z-95 mini Swarm. Kaa'to, N'dru with talent, assault missiles and toys, and four Deadman Switch headhunters. Surround something with headhunters, and BOOM!

Reminds me of Ruthlessness. Something like that for Scum would be very thematic - high risk of your pilots shooting each other in the back.

I would expect wave 9 to include some more ships from The Force Awakens - Kylo Ren's shuttle and the two-seater TIE Fighter, a new Millennium Falcon and I'm sure there'll be others.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I would expect wave 9 to include some more ships from The Force Awakens - Kylo Ren's shuttle and the two-seater TIE Fighter, a new Millennium Falcon and I'm sure there'll be others.

I just wanna see what the new A-wings and other ships are gonna look like. Uuuggghhhhh.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I would expect wave 9 to include some more ships from The Force Awakens - Kylo Ren's shuttle and the two-seater TIE Fighter, a new Millennium Falcon and I'm sure there'll be others.

It's a safe bet that we'll just be seeing ships from current Star Wars projects (whether that be from the new trilogy, or from spin-offs like Rebels). Which is fine by me, they've basically fleshed out the Original Trilogy and old EU as deeply as I ever expected them to.

Now... if only we could get some Prequel Trilogy ships. Maybe someday.

 DanielBeaver wrote:


Now... if only we could get some Prequel Trilogy ships. Maybe someday.

Only if they reboot the whole system or spin it off into a completely different game. There just isn't room in the current stats to show a meaningful distinction between the older ships. There are many discussions on this point on this forum and other forums... so let's not get into it here.

We could see a Baudo class Yacht (Pulsar Skate)

It's pretty niche, but that's going to become increasingly the case as releases continue, and it's apparently slightly shorter than a YT1300, so scale shouldn't be an issue.

Not necessarily, with the plethora of movies planned by Disney, we're going to see a lot of new designs on screen.

The rate of movie releases vs the rate of new ships means that if they can draw that heavily on them then we're going to be seeing a LOT of new designs.

 krodarklorr wrote:
I just wanna see what the new A-wings and other ships are gonna look like. Uuuggghhhhh.

Do we have reason to believe there will be new A-Wings and other Rebel/ Resistance fighters?

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I just wanna see what the new A-wings and other ships are gonna look like. Uuuggghhhhh.

Do we have reason to believe there will be new A-Wings and other Rebel/ Resistance fighters?

Merchandise, dear boy.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I just wanna see what the new A-wings and other ships are gonna look like. Uuuggghhhhh.

Do we have reason to believe there will be new A-Wings and other Rebel/ Resistance fighters?

Merchandise, dear boy.

Well, this...

But I think there will be. They've specifically been hiding a lot of details from the movie, and I highly doubt that they would have beefed up X-wings and use that and only that.

Careful. The A-Wings and B-Wings are things of beauty. Trying to improve on them will only mess them up.

But seriously if you want to give me Talon rolls on a B-wing, bring it on!!!!

I'd think it more likely for there to be entirely new designs that fill the A and B's respective niches rather than upgrades of their frames. The X-Wing is iconic and recognizable even to non-fans. The other ships not so much. Makes sense to give the old standard a bit of a re-jig but make entirely new interceptors and bombers.

Personally though, I'm hoping Y-Wings make an appearance. In any form.

I'm not sure the in galaxy timeline really supports entirely new ships (and the fact we have FOs and T70s suggests similar.)

Much like real world military, in can take decades for a new craft to make it from prototype to wide use, many of the most iconic ships from the original movies era date from before the Clone Wars, and the B Wing is an almost new design.

So while anything is possible in the brave new Disney world, I'd expect to see modified versions of existing chassis, if they make appearances at all, with the odd new thing like Ren's shuttle (which is still essentially a derivative of the 'current' Shuttle.)

Yeah, it's really a bit of a cluster...

A-Wings and B-Wings were supposed to be brand new as of the Battle of Endor, but the Droids cartoon used them both in a 12-15 BBY-ish setting. That, of course, was because they had just seen release as Kenner toys and kids spotting them on Saturday morning cartoons would mean they made the Christmas and birthday lists.

Those were retconned to be the R-22 Spearhead and H-something Tempest bomber, respectively (I could check Wookieepedia for the exact designation, this gak is all sadly ingrained in memory) which were both either inspirations or testbed prototypes for the ships we saw in Jedi.

And I believe Rebels has just done an episode with a new or prototype B Wing in another timeframe again, but I guess that would actually fit with a BBY version?

Yes, both the A and the B have recently appeared in rebels as prototypes BBY 4-5. That doesn't fit with the Droids appearance (which has been moved to the legends designation... No longer canon).

Ok...
The TIE/FO and T-70 packs are marked as "Shipping"... which means that they have arrived in the FFG warehouse and are shipping out to distributors. My guess is that you'll be able to buy them on the 19th or shortly there after.
The Imperial Carrier (along with reprints of the IG-2000, Most Wanted, Scyk, and StarViper) are still marked on the boat though it may be changing status soon. The rest of Wave VIII is still at the Printer.

Mark me excited for the Imperial Carrier. Planning on an Epic Event Jan. 30 and I'm really hoping that it is available by then.

I wish these would of been out for Christmas so I could put it on the list for presents... would of been one of the few times I received something I knew I would of purchased myself!

I'm excited for the Imperial Carrier and the 2 Scum ships, the rest not so much, but I'll be getting them anyway!

I'm really hoping to see the new X-Wing around before the end of the year. Gonna get a few.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not sure the in galaxy timeline really supports entirely new ships (and the fact we have FOs and T70s suggests similar.)

Much like real world military, in can take decades for a new craft to make it from prototype to wide use, many of the most iconic ships from the original movies era date from before the Clone Wars, and the B Wing is an almost new design.

So while anything is possible in the brave new Disney world, I'd expect to see modified versions of existing chassis, if they make appearances at all, with the odd new thing like Ren's shuttle (which is still essentially a derivative of the 'current' Shuttle.)

Then again, this is a sci fi universe and it doesn't necessarily follow real-world production schedules and government budgets. In the now non-canon books, they had droids that could wreck entire buildings on Corscant and rebuild them in a matter of days. I wouldn't doubt that since the rebels have taken ship yards and many planets with vast resources in the original trilogy period, that then designing completely new ships over the course of another 30 some odd years would produce some brand new ships other than just updating older designs. Also, as they liberate more different alien species, the design of ship could radically change.

You'll note in my second paragraph I point out how it's already established that various starship chassis hang around for a decent period of time, and we can see from the evolution of T-65 to T-70 over the interim between VI and VII that still seems largely to be the case.

I also didn't rule anything out, but all the evidence we have from the original movies, the EU and what we know of the new movies suggests that this pace of advancement is still present, again, much like modern military where a design can take a decade or more to make it in service and then remain in service with incremental upgrades for some time.

Anything is possible, but I think this the most likely way forward.

I'm personally hoping that they decide to surprise us by making the K-wing Cannon.

The B-wing needs its time in the sun, first. Its presence was underwhelming in ROTJ.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The B-wing needs its time in the sun, first. Its presence was underwhelming in ROTJ.

The B-wing has had plenty of screentime. It has had an entire episode of Rebels devoted to it. The X-wing hasn't even appeared there.

Not an entire episode of a cartoon!?!!??!

I want to see realistic squads dogfighting. Not a single b-wing do what no other b-wing has done in the relative future.

I'm just a grognard. Don't mind me too much.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The B-wing needs its time in the sun, first. Its presence was underwhelming in ROTJ.

Too bad we didn't get the concept art (IIRC referenced in the novelization of ROTJ) of a b-wing squadron taking out a star destroyer because 1980s bluescreen technology had problems with the b-wing model.

That's what I meant.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
I'm personally hoping that they decide to surprise us by making the K-wing Cannon.

I dono why they wouldn't use some EU ships, but probably because it has to be new and fresh... or whatever

Most would be super excited because they never saw the ship before, a few would go ape gak because its their favorite EU ship and then a minority that would complain their favorite wasn't in the movies...

 easypeasylemonsquezy wrote:


A Few would be super excited because they never saw the ship before, a few would go ape gak because its their favorite EU ship and then a majority that would complain their favorite wasn't in the movies...

Fixed it for you.

New Stuff for T-70 and F/O on the Website! No sign of the PS 7 guy, but we do see the new astromech and two TIE/F/O pilots.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/10/see-the-movie-fly-the-ships/

Due on the 17th


I called it. There are a lot of interesting things you can do with this guy. Wedge, Integrated Targeting Mech, Stay on Target. Hobbie Klivian now has basically a White K-turn. Talon Roll, Cool Hand, Astromech is a fully boosted shot.



Nice



Eep.

What's with aces not having elite pilot talents anymore? First Blue Ace and Red Ace and now Epsilon Ace.

 bocatt wrote:
What's with aces not having elite pilot talents anymore? First Blue Ace and Red Ace and now Epsilon Ace.

Aces back to Wave 1 have been missing EPT's. Garvin Dreis, Biggs, a Bunch of TIE's, all the Y-wings. TIE Advanced was the only one to get both original Aces with Talents. If Epsilon Ace could get Push the Limit, it would be a rather Crazy Threat (PS12 Arc-dodger for 24 points).

I agree with Crazy_Carnifex. EPT's have been a very large portion of the meta for a really long time. I think this is a conscious effort to reduce their effect... perhaps give other upgrades a chance to shine.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/10/see-the-movie-fly-the-ships/

Ugh. Thank you FFG, for posting a preview article that will probably get attention from newbies and has squadron ideas that are utter garbage. Seriously, if you're going to post ideas could you at least try to make them somewhat competitive?

As for the cards:

Targeting astromech seems like a pretty marginal choice. You're essentially spending 2 points to reduce the drawback of a k-turn, and getting nothing out of it the rest of the time. R3-A2 is a clear winner on generic ships, and one of the regen droids wins on tanky aces. The only truly interesting trick I can see is the Hobbie one, and even with that the TIE defender has made a convincing case that the white k-turn isn't that big a deal. I'm not sure that the combo is enough to make up for the poor base stats of the x-wing.

Zeta leader is pretty good. PS 7 and an EPT with a 3/3/3/1 stat line looks like an amazing deal for 20 points and the TIE/FO has a great dial for clearing stress. Without PTL it's not going to dominate games like interceptor aces can do, but I think it's going to be a great place to add raw efficiency to your list.

Epsilon ace is disappointing. Temporary PS 12 might be decent on another ship, but it's still a TIE fighter with no EPT or pilot ability. You just aren't going to do much with that high PS and that makes it hard to justify spending the extra points over a generic PS 1 meatshield.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/10/see-the-movie-fly-the-ships/

Ugh. Thank you FFG, for posting a preview article that will probably get attention from newbies and has squadron ideas that are utter garbage. Seriously, if you're going to post ideas could you at least try to make them somewhat competitive?

As for the cards:

Targeting astromech seems like a pretty marginal choice. You're essentially spending 2 points to reduce the drawback of a k-turn, and getting nothing out of it the rest of the time. R3-A2 is a clear winner on generic ships, and one of the regen droids wins on tanky aces. The only truly interesting trick I can see is the Hobbie one, and even with that the TIE defender has made a convincing case that the white k-turn isn't that big a deal. I'm not sure that the combo is enough to make up for the poor base stats of the x-wing.

Zeta leader is pretty good. PS 7 and an EPT with a 3/3/3/1 stat line looks like an amazing deal for 20 points and the TIE/FO has a great dial for clearing stress. Without PTL it's not going to dominate games like interceptor aces can do, but I think it's going to be a great place to add raw efficiency to your list.

Epsilon ace is disappointing. Temporary PS 12 might be decent on another ship, but it's still a TIE fighter with no EPT or pilot ability. You just aren't going to do much with that high PS and that makes it hard to justify spending the extra points over a generic PS 1 meatshield.

I think Hobbie has a few advantages over the defender, namely the fact that he doesn't have the K-turn as his only way to turn. He is also 3 points cheaper, and has a better PS (So my opponents fodder can't arc-dodge on me- I may choose a speed 1 maneuver instead). Sure, I lose Barrel Roll and a point of Agility, but Hobbie actually has better than a white turn- he gets a free action off of it, so turns, gets a fully boosted shot, than acts like normal next turn.

I think that the droid will also be very useful for just keeping offensive pressure with either Stay on Target, or Generic Talon Rolls. For the Same cost as Autothrusters, you get an Integrated targeting Mech. Autothrusters is the better defensive choice, but the droid provides a balance of Offence and Defense. As for R3-A2, that's currently on my Y-wing, so I need something else for my X-wings.

I'm excited to use Targeting Astromech in my Aturi Cluster campaign with Hobbie and Push the Limit on my TLT Y-Wing. In addition to the K-Turn, I'll get a boost on my 4 ahead and 3 Turn, which will make up for loosing the R2 astromech.

I also really like it on Dutch and Horton. Dutch basically allows you to surprise someone with a 2-ship alpha strike.
Getting a Target Lock on Horton is always good.

So, Targeting Astromech will be a situational card.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
I think Hobbie has a few advantages over the defender, namely the fact that he doesn't have the K-turn as his only way to turn. He is also 3 points cheaper, and has a better PS (So my opponents fodder can't arc-dodge on me- I may choose a speed 1 maneuver instead). Sure, I lose Barrel Roll and a point of Agility, but Hobbie actually has better than a white turn- he gets a free action off of it, so turns, gets a fully boosted shot, than acts like normal next turn.

What I meant isn't a literal 1v1 comparison with the defender, it's that the white k-turn doesn't add all that much value to the defender. Both the defender and x-wing are ships that are mediocre at best without a white k-turn, and in the case of the defender the "OMG white k-turn!" hype turned out to be way too optimistic. It's just not enough to make up for having stats that are otherwise disappointing. You don't get to use it all that often, and even when you do it's a very predictable move. So we can probably guess that the same will be true with Hobbie: you'll want to do it, but it's probably not going to be enough to upgrade Hobbie's status from "x-wings are bad" to "viable competitive option".

I think that the droid will also be very useful for just keeping offensive pressure with either Stay on Target, or Generic Talon Rolls.

Maybe, but I'm not convinced for two reasons:

1) Your green maneuver options are limited without a generic R2. Is getting a target lock (on a turn where you won't have focus to set up a decisive shot) really worth having much more limited options on the following turn? If you're doing red maneuvers often enough that it's worth paying for upgrades that only happen when you do them then you really want a better dial to recover from those red maneuvers.

2) Unlike the Hobbie combo you're not actually getting extra actions per turn. You're mitigating the action loss from the red maneuver, but you're still coming out behind where you'd be if you'd taken a white or green maneuver and a normal action. So you're not going to be taking red maneuvers just to trigger the droid as often as possible, which really limits how often you'll get to use it.

This guy popped up on my Facebook Feed. Looks pretty Sweet, grab Vet instincts and this guy should be fun!




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Poe Dameron- 37
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Ello Asty- 37
-Vet Instincts
-R2-D2
-Autothrusters

Gold Squadron Pilot- 26
-Twin Laser Turret
-R3-A2
-BTL-A4

100pt on the nose, with two High-PS regen Aces.

Wingmen buddies!



Zeta would still have a stress through the movement phase however...

And no action...

Not gonna lie, Ello Asty looks hella fun.

Not gonna lie. That name sounds borderline offensive in Quebecer (which is a subset of French).

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Not gonna lie. That name sounds borderline offensive in Quebecer (which is a subset of French).

I think the answer is a bit more subtle. Ello Asty is great at Tallon Rolls.
Asty Rolls.
Rick Astley.
Rick Rolls.
'Ello Astley!

Never gonna give you up!

Therefore- this is an elaborate Rick Roll by FFG.

No... he's inspired by the Beastie Boys song Nasty Rolls. And the joke is from Abrahms. FFG is just playing with the rolls part.
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/194340/theres-a-beastie-boys-inspired-pilot-in-the-new-star-wars-movie

Aparently the script on his helm says, "Born to Ill"

 Anpu-adom wrote:
No... he's inspired by the Beastie Boys song Nasty Rolls. And the joke is from Abrahms.

No, his name is a play on Hello Nasty, a Beastie Boys album from the late 90s. Side note: it features their hit Intergalactic, which is fitting given the setting of the movies.

Aparently the script on his helm says, "Born to Ill"

Indeed. (Another play on a Beastie Boys album, this time Licence to Ill).

I stand corrected. I was pretty young when License to Ill came out, and never much into rap or hip hop, so I wasn't paying much attention to them when Hello Nasty came out.

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
What's with aces not having elite pilot talents anymore? First Blue Ace and Red Ace and now Epsilon Ace.

Aces back to Wave 1 have been missing EPT's. Garvin Dreis, Biggs, a Bunch of TIE's, all the Y-wings. TIE Advanced was the only one to get both original Aces with Talents. If Epsilon Ace could get Push the Limit, it would be a rather Crazy Threat (PS12 Arc-dodger for 24 points).

Going by those examples, it would seem that the original idea might have been that named pilots already have a "baked in" EPT. Put another way, adding an EPT to a generic pilot is a way to make your own ace. Give them a silly name and away you go.

Miniature Market is shipping T-70's and TIE/FO's.
The Assault Carrier is marked as 'shipping' on the FFG page.

Word on the street is that the Carrier is a Friday Drop.

Dammit, the Canadian guys haven't listed theirs as being in stock yet. But soon, precious, soon!

Meeplemart has the T-70 and Tie/FO already, no?

Sorry, just checked their Facebook. It's a friday release, and the carrier is on next Monday.

Miniature market has em up, Amazon has em up, and I have mine in hand. Well, in my car anyway.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Meeplemart has the T-70 and Tie/FO already, no?

Sorry, just checked their Facebook. It's a friday release, and the carrier is on next Monday.

Yeah, I didn't click it but it has been "TBA" for a few weeks at least. Just checked and it actually says yesterday in the description. Hmmm, I'll be going into town on Saturday anyway...

I'm going to swing by Valet d'Coeur tomorrow, see if they got a shipment, before I try to crash the movie theatre (by that I mean try to get a ticket, not anything illegal)

Aww man. I was expecting Mathieu to steal a bakery truck and drive it into the theater.

Please take everything I say in the best possible light. I'm currently upright and at work solely due to caffeine and cough syrup. I can't tell if I'm cogent or not.

The question is, is Zeta worth taking with wired at 21 pts? Still seems kind of expensive, comms relaymight help if you could get your evade early, then keep shedding the stress and putting it back on

It's on the boat!

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's on the boat!

Dammit, just when I've damn near caught up with all the releases! Saw the Assault Carrier today but it was $100 so I thought I'd wait a couple of days for a Boxing Day sale. I'm still not entirely convinced on the entire wave. I may be looking more forward to the Imperial Veterans set. Any idea when that's out?

Still in development, but as the models are already in production and approved, the turnaround can be much quicker. Q1 2016 is the official line.


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I've been pre ordering this wave in large enough chunks from the FLGS to qualify for free shipping, but thanks to the long notice on FFG releases, I'm all paid up for when it arrives!

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
No... he's inspired by the Beastie Boys song Nasty Rolls. And the joke is from Abrahms.

No, his name is a play on Hello Nasty, a Beastie Boys album from the late 90s. Side note: it features their hit Intergalactic, which is fitting given the setting of the movies.

Aparently the script on his helm says, "Born to Ill"

Indeed. (Another play on a Beastie Boys album, this time Licence to Ill).

And here was me thinking it was a Teletubby reference to go with Po(e) Dameron. Just waiting for Twileky Winky, D'hipsy and La-La the Mandalorian death machine.

I'm mostly excited for the wave 8 scum ships, there are quite a few crew cards with those 2 ships. I'm hoping for some more YV-666 options and the ships themselves look pretty fun!

Ghost meh.

Tie Inquisitor - oo XX-23s!

 easypeasylemonsquezy wrote:
I'm mostly excited for the wave 8 scum ships, there are quite a few crew cards with those 2 ships. I'm hoping for some more YV-666 options and the ships themselves look pretty fun!

Ghost meh.

Tie Inquisitor - oo XX-23s!

I'll end up getting a ghost for the crew, but yeah, please give me some good scum ships, the cartel marauder and even the bossk boat were disappointments. Inquisitor looks awesome if I could get into flying the imperials.

Saw this Jumpmaster info pop up on /tg/. I can't speak to it's authenticity, or even the correctness of the translation provided, but thought it was interesting to share:

"The first time you are destroyed, cancel all remaining damage, discard all your Damage cards, and assign 4 facedown Damage cards instead."

Keep in mind the JumpMaster has 5 native hull, and you can put Hull Upgrade on it and /get it back/ the first time you die.

Spoilered for huge. Also no idea what the partial ability on the left is. Any french reading dakkanaut want to translate? I don't really trust google to provide (even partial) context.

Censé means expected. So it isn't "are destroyed" but more likely "are about to be destroyed." So essentially you get one (maybe 2 with HU) HPs back.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Censé means expected. So it isn't "are destroyed" but more likely "are about to be destroyed." So essentially you get one (maybe 2 with HU) HPs back.

Thanks! Any idea what the partial card on the left says? I see something about defending, but no idea if it's when that pilot defends or another ship defends against him.

It's almost certainly Dengar.

Gimme a minute.


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"after having defended"
"is located in"
"you can perform"
"against that ship"

I'd say, probably something like, after having defended yourself, if the enemy is located in your fire arc, you can perform a <X> attack against that ship.


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The card seen in full is , loosely, "When you would be destroyed by an attack, cancel all remaining damage, discard all damage cards on this ship and assign 4 facedown damage cards to this ship."

So gross overkill is meaningless. You essentially potentially forego all critical damage previously assigned to you and get a fully functional ship, albeit one with only 2 hull left.

Well, 1, unless you take Hull Upgrade. I don't know why you wouldn't with that ability, but Engine Upgrade is still a thing.

Azreal13 wrote:It's almost certainly Dengar.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:"after having defended"
"is located in"
"you can perform"
"against that ship"

I'd say, probably something like, after having defended yourself, if the enemy is located in your fire arc, you can perform a <X> attack against that ship.

Yes, it is Dengar, who was revealed by FFG back at the end of July.

Danthrax @ GAF wrote:And that's not all!



That's 4-LOM on the left [note: actually on the right], whose pilot ability translates to: "During the end phase, you may remove one of your stress tokens and assign it to another ship at Range 1."

Cool couple of pilots for the Misthunter.

I was just asked to translate, and nothing more, sire.

I wonder if we'll see more salvaged astromechs. It's not like it can use Genius, I don't think we've seen it's dial? So we don't know if unhinged is a good choice or not (but just think of the placement of that huge base all over the board)

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I wonder if we'll see more salvaged astromechs.

Yes:



Two uniques and two copies of a new generic.

Meesa all excited!

Pretty sure the second unique is r4-b11 which we have from most wanted. Excited about the Gonk though!

 streamdragon wrote:
Pretty sure the second unique is r4-b11 which we have from most wanted.

It isn't. The picture is clearly different.

 streamdragon wrote:
Pretty sure the second unique is r4-b11 which we have from most wanted. Excited about the Gonk though!

No, it's new.

The art is different.


Come to think of it, outside of Lone Wolf, I don't think FFG has put a unique upgrade in more than one expansion.

Peregrine wrote:It isn't. The picture is clearly different.

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:No, it's new.

The art is different.


Come to think of it, outside of Lone Wolf, I don't think FFG has put a unique upgrade in more than one expansion.

Huh, I stand corrected. That makes me look forward to the Jumpmaster even more.

Interesting tidbits all around. More germane to the title of this thread, there are hints that we should expect to see the rest of wave 8 in stores by the end of Jan.

It's been on the boat for almost a month now hasn't it? Given there are three more weeks in January, I'd hope wave 8 will hit by the end of the month!

I saw on Amazon yesterday a release date of 1/15. Take that with a grain of salt though, Amazon has been known to be incorrect in the past.

Who wants to take bets on whether or not we get a Wave VIII Scum preview today? My (completely hypothetical and non-existent) money is on "no".

slight bump

Since FFG won't actually be releasing a Jumpmaster preview, we'll continue to get what information we can from leaks:

CaineHoA @ FFG's forum wrote:
Manaroo: PS4 27points with elite talent slot

Pilot skill free translation: At the beginning of the combat phase you may put all of your focus, evade and target lock tokens onto another friendly ship (no range limit).



The maneauver wheel has a green 2 left bank.

He links to a German Facebook page image, which I've rehosted here:

Word in our area is that wave 8 will be available the week of Feb. 15th. Just rumors... I can't point to anything solid.

I've heard everything from 8 Feb all the way through mid March. It'll be out when it's out, I accept that, but the radio silence on it is pretty ridiculous.

I'm good with a later date. I'm still missing most of the Huge Ships! Still not sure how much of this wave I'll even bother with, though...

More importantly: when is imperial veterans due?!

Sigh.....

 Crazyterran wrote:
More importantly: when is imperial veterans due?!

I'm definitely waaaay more excited for that!

Was the Ghost also reported as "On the Boat"? It's what's showing on the website right now. Do we know how long between that and in stores, normally?

Yes, the whole of Wave 8 was On The Boat, and due to the vagaries of ocean travel, customs, dock workers etc, there's likely not a consistent time between that and shipping to stores.

About 2 months is probably ball park though.

And besides, I think El Nino means the tradewinds are slower, so the sails aren't as full, I guess?

Good one.

Although Amazon lists them as available on Febraury 26th. Just in time to shake things up during the Store Championships.

You can't ever go by what Amazon says for X-Wing release dates. They just make them up.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
You can't ever go by what Amazon says for X-Wing release dates. They just make them up.

Not just X-Wing. It seems that any time a product doesn't have a set street date, they'll just pull something out of their arse.

Heard a rumour that stuff had reached Europe but was still making it's way over to America. How true this is I do not know.

Wha...? Things not coming to America first? Say it ain't so!!!!

No longer on the boat, now shipping!

W00t!

Hmm BoardGameExtras just updated their expected release date for Wave 8, from "Early March" to "End of March" and they are usually one of the first companies to get stock in the UK.

I wonder if there are some simultaneous release shenanigans going on..

I have a store champ on March 19th, and the drop date from Lion Rampant is supposedly March 17th. Since I don't think I'll have enough free time in those two days, I'll just be surprised by new stuff? Joy...

As a TO, I'm glad that they won't be arriving BEFORE my Store Championship this weekend. Still, very excited to see them on the shelf though.
Now... Imperial Veterans.... PLEASE!

My local store is saying 17th as well now. About time, he did say that it wasn't clear if Imperial Veterans was amongst the deliveries.

 Azza007 wrote:
My local store is saying 17th as well now. About time, he did say that it wasn't clear if Imperial Veterans was amongst the deliveries.

It is not, at least I don't think it is.

I do hope Imperial Veterans is part of a wider Wave 9.

Expansions like Imperial Veterans and Aces aren't considered parts of waves and are generally released as soon as they're ready.

Ah. And Here I was thinking we were getting an advanced taste of Wave 9. Shucks.

They may add it along with wave 8. After all, we already did get the Force Awakens ships that are technically part of the wave. That would leave it a bit light.

 Lord Corellia wrote:
They may add it along with wave 8. After all, we already did get the Force Awakens ships that are technically part of the wave. That would leave it a bit light.

No, they won't. Aces packs, Huge ships, and core sets are not part of waves and they never have been. FFG hasn't given us any reason to think otherwise with Imperial Veterans.

Also, outside of the TFA ships, Wave 8 has four other expansions in it (including one expansion with two ships). Four expansion packs has been more or less the standard wave, outside of Wave 5 which had only two.

Plus I vaguely remember Imperial Veterans already had its status change to "At the Printer" awhile back. We would have seen previews of other Wave IX boxes if Imperial Veterans was part of Wave IX.

Which gives me hope I won't have to wait until Wave XI to get some Scum love for the Scyk/Starviper.

I see you live on a steady diet of hope and disappointment, mate.

so do you think we'll see the Vet pack before May this year?

 captain bloody fists wrote:
so do you think we'll see the Vet pack before May this year?

Hang times generally 6-12 months, so my guess is no. Will probably hit sometime this summer.

Damn I was hoping to take them to regionals in May

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

 captain bloody fists wrote:
so do you think we'll see the Vet pack before May this year?

Hang times generally 6-12 months, so my guess is no. Will probably hit sometime this summer.

Both of the previous Aces packs had a five month window from when they were announced until they hit the street.

May is a possibility, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised it takes longer.

Overclocked R4 from the Jumpmaster box has been spoiled.

As has the reference card for dual upgrades.

So "adaptability" is in fact free +1 PS (or -1 I guess, if you really want), doesn't change during game.


Edit like a million: Thermal Detonators have been spoiled, but I can't find an actual card pic. Dropped on maneuver reveal, detonates at the end of the activation phase. Deals 1 damage and 1 stress token to each ship at range 1.

Not sure how I like the new R4- overall I think I'd rather spend the extra point for the Agromech, which doesn't stress me, and gives me a target lock which will last for a while. There aren't really any ships who can take an unhinged mech where I'd want to stress myself for defensive focus.

Dual cards have some interesting applications. Say I'm running Vader and a PS 8. Not only do I save a point, but in games where my opponent does not have a PS 9, or bids more for the initiative with a PS 10, I can drop Vaders PS to have more control over which ace I move first. Take a bit of a hit vs. PS 10-11, but make big games vs PS 8 or less.

Overclocked R4 seems like a straight up buff to 4 TLTs. All green 3 maneuvers with the unhinged are awesome but it was mostly just a placeholder for one point. Now you can have a focus for both attacks with the TLT and you don't even have to take the stress in the activation phase. You can shoot your first shot, and if it's naturally good, you don't have to spend your focus and take a stress for another focus. On the other hand, now for one point you can have an ability that is in some ways better than Push the Limit for generics for only 1 point and guarantees you never roll 3 eyeballs and regret spending your focus ever again. Who cares if you can only do a 1 or 2 green straight after that? Y-wings were never maneuverable to begin with and you brought them for TLTs that don't care about arc. Most of the time Y-wings are going to be doing 1 straight maneuvers anyway.

 bocatt wrote:
Overclocked R4 seems like a straight up buff to 4 TLTs. All green 3 maneuvers with the unhinged are awesome but it was mostly just a placeholder for one point. Now you can have a focus for both attacks with the TLT and you don't even have to take the stress in the activation phase. You can shoot your first shot, and if it's naturally good, you don't have to spend your focus and take a stress for another focus. On the other hand, now for one point you can have an ability that is in some ways better than Push the Limit for generics for only 1 point and guarantees you never roll 3 eyeballs and regret spending your focus ever again. Who cares if you can only do a 1 or 2 green straight after that? Y-wings were never maneuverable to begin with and you brought them for TLTs that don't care about arc. Most of the time Y-wings are going to be doing 1 straight maneuvers anyway.

You raise a fair point. One problem with this is that it makes them a lot more vulnerable to arc dodgers and stress control.

Indeed. I was looking at this with Wes and Wedge - I like to boost both's pilot skill, but ideally I want Wes to 'jump' wedge and shoot first (so he can peel off tokens). Veteran instincts on one and adaptability on the other is nice.

And yes, it pairs well with anyone who specifically wants the option to 'fire last' - you can drop pilot skill, but you don't have to stick with it between games if you have a matchup where it won't help (say, on a mangler cannon vs Chewbacca).

It's also potentially useful if you actually want to make someone move first so they can't be blocked.

Vader & Juno seems like a nice pairing as noted. Two PS8s are easier to fly, but Vader can switch to PS10 if he needs to.

The main thing is that there's no downside. So anyone whos EPT isn't a big part of 'making them work' can be +1 PS if they're not anything else. Which makes sense; I paid points for that damn slot, I might as well use it.

If nothing else, it's essentially a free +1PS for Green Squadron.


The overclocked R4.... yeah, the agromech is better; target lock is broadly better than focus for any TLT carrier - the damn things are so unwieldy green dice rolls are largely irrelevant.

BUT they still might help. TLTs will often be firing at range 3, where you've got 2 green dice. A focus might save you a point of damage, and you've still got a focus to fire back with. You'll need to clear off the stress, of course, but it does save you a couple of points. Most importantly, you can field four thugs with overclocked astromechs and twin laser turrets.

It's also potentially useful for Torpedo Jumpmasters, especially Dengar. Deadeye lets you fling off torpedoes with just a focus token, which is why a recon specialist is tempting.

With an overclocked R4, Dengar can fire one torp with his action focus, get his focus back, and be ready with the second torp.....and still have his crew slot free. A Jumpmaster has plenty of green (as long as you turn left!) and scum have some pretty damn nice crew available, and with Predator and a white Segnor's loop, it's not catastrophic even if you use it twice and miss a turn's actions.

One problem with this is that it makes them a lot more vulnerable to arc dodgers and stress control.

It does. But a Twin Laser Turret - at the moment - is flinging unmodified dice much of the time. If I can get one turn where I use a focus token to hit with both attacks and dodge a point or two of incoming damage, I don't care I've got four stress tokens stacked up. Yes, I'm never going to take an action with that ship again, but who the hell cares? You can use it once a turn as a cheap R4 Agromech, or throw caution to the wind and use it for one turn as a cheap version of Glitterstim.

It's much like BTL-A4 rebels with R3-A2. Sooner or later just accept that you're never getting rid of all that stress and stop caring; if the Y-wing has a target and three people are firing at it, burn as much focus as you can. If it survives, go Hoorah, do white maneuvers and don't even try to clear the stress; you've got a turret anyway so hang worrying about arcs of fire.

It adds a bit more strategy and risk management to using a TLT y-wing. Which makes them more interesting to fly, and to fly against. Which I approve of.

How much is the detonator?

3 pts.


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Contracted Scout (25)
Deadeye (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
K4 Security Droid (3)
Overclocked R4 (1)
Guidance Chips (0)

Ruthless Freelancer (23)
Outlaw Tech (2)
Fire-Control System (2)
Tractor Beam (1)
Mist Hunter (0)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Jumpmaster does a green, acquires a TL thanks to K4 droid; takes a Focus action. Spends Focus to fire Proton Torpedoes, takes a stress to receive a Focus token. You now have TL and Focus on your Proton Torpedoes, along with Guidance Chips. 4 red dice, with a reroll. Automatically turn one die from Focus to Crit (for Proton Torpedoes) and any die to a Hit from Guidance Chips.

Freelancer tries to throw people onto rocks or into firing arcs, and since they're all at the same (low) PS you can choose who to fire first each turn.

Might be fun.

 streamdragon wrote:
3 pts.


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Overclocked R4 (1)
Guidance Chips (0)

Contracted Scout (25)
Deadeye (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
K4 Security Droid (3)
Overclocked R4 (1)
Guidance Chips (0)

Ruthless Freelancer (23)
Outlaw Tech (2)
Fire-Control System (2)
Tractor Beam (1)
Mist Hunter (0)

Total: 100

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Jumpmaster does a green, acquires a TL thanks to K4 droid; takes a Focus action. Spends Focus to fire Proton Torpedoes, takes a stress to receive a Focus token. You now have TL and Focus on your Proton Torpedoes, along with Guidance Chips. 4 red dice, with a reroll. Automatically turn one die from Focus to Crit (for Proton Torpedoes) and any die to a Hit from Guidance Chips.

Freelancer tries to throw people onto rocks or into firing arcs, and since they're all at the same (low) PS you can choose who to fire first each turn.

Might be fun.

Contracted Scout (25)
Deadeye (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
R4 Agromech (2)
Recon Spec (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
37only difference is you don't have the stress and there's no way you can be denied the target lock ( range or whatever)

Interesting and probably the most common builds we'll see on the scouts

buckero0 wrote:

Contracted Scout (25)
Deadeye (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
R4 Agromech (2)
Recon Spec (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
37only difference is you don't have the stress and there's no way you can be denied the target lock ( range or whatever)

Interesting and probably the most common builds we'll see on the scouts

I like this build better, since it does not stress you, and does not limit you to green maneuvers.

Edit:
Also, you could replace the proton Torps with Plasmas to keep the Gand unchanged. Since you will already be focused, you are just taking a slight hit (losing the crit) against unshielded opponents, for a slight boost vs. Shielded ones.

All I know is that my bank account is about to take a Wave 8 sized beating.
I'm looking at a minimum of 2 of each ship.

buckero0 wrote:
Contracted Scout (25)
Deadeye (1)
Extra Munitions (2)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
R4 Agromech (2)
Recon Spec (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
37only difference is you don't have the stress and there's no way you can be denied the target lock ( range or whatever)

Interesting and probably the most common builds we'll see on the scouts

There are a few other small differences, but yeah, for 1 point your build is probably better. The main other difference is that the K4 lets you TL anyone, whereas the regular R4 Agro only lets you TL the defender. Granted, in my example you're taking the K4 TL on the target anyway, but I guess it's a consideration if you don't need to TL the defender specifically.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Also, you could replace the proton Torps with Plasmas to keep the Gand unchanged. Since you will already be focused, you are just taking a slight hit (losing the crit) against unshielded opponents, for a slight boost vs. Shielded ones.

I generally prefer Proton to Plasma (though Plasmas are still good). I would rather take the extra crit against unshielded over potentially stripping an extra shield. I'm curious what impact Guidance Chips will have on Plasma, since Protons with GC have a good chance to hit/crit with all 4 dice. (Focus to Crit for Protons and blank/focus to hit/crit for GCs)

House Griffith wrote:All I know is that my bank account is about to take a Wave 8 sized beating.
I'm looking at a minimum of 2 of each ship.

Triple Jumpmaster:

Contracted Scout 25
- Deadeye - 1
- Extra Munitions - 2
- Plasma Torpedoes - 3
- R4 Agromech - 2
- Guidance Chips - 0

33 Points, x3.

Initial joust(s) deal damage, 2 shot turrets clean up.

1 pt for boba fett


I worry about 2 dice attacks being able to clean anything up, but your bases are big enough, you should get some good 3 dice attacks with TL

So my Wave 8 order just showed up and holy cow, the Ghost is huge! More to the point, it seems so big because it appears to have been scaled correctly to fit in with the fighters (which makes sense since the shuttle is also modelled onto the rear of the ship). When you compare the size of the cockpit, turret and hatches with what you see on the Falcon, you realise how much they scaled it down..

 House Griffith wrote:
Triple Jumpmaster:

Contracted Scout 25
- Deadeye - 1
- Extra Munitions - 2
- Plasma Torpedoes - 3
- R4 Agromech - 2
- Guidance Chips - 0

33 Points, x3.

Initial joust(s) deal damage, 2 shot turrets clean up.

Proxied this a while back. The first few turn were just ridiculous brutal. 3 Hits if my rolling sucked. usually 4. Palpmobile goes down pretty hard and Soontir WILL lose his stealth device.
The drawback is that if you have dice fail or the other guy gets enough evades or can get inside the Torp donut hole, your main gun is not that great (2 shot turret) .
Your Alfa and Bravo strikes are awesome...but your cleanup afterward is lacking.
You can also drop Boba Fett on 1. Shoot the other 2 first to strip shields, then use the 3rd with Fett to try for the crit. Really great if you can swipe Palp off a Deci or Gunner/Luke from Han in that first shooting turn. No real need against smaller ships (stealing the regen droid or TLT). If you've already tank the shields your more than likely going to kill the ship with the 2nd or 3rd Torp anyways.

Is it about 6 inches long, would you say?

The ship! The ship! Focus!

For some reason, even though MM has the Wave 8 ships up and available for order, my pre-order is still sitting at "waiting for release".

Just walked into my local store during lunch, had the dude get me 1 of each ship before he even finished unboxing the shipment and my friend did the same. Then someone called the shop asking if they could hold some for him, the dude at the register handed the phone to me saying that some guys just cleared out most of the inventory. I picked up the phone, had a chat with this guy, at the end of it I said "Best of luck to you getting these ships". He replied, "Thanks, grats to both of you!"

And now I'm waiting for my shift to be over so I can go enjoy these puppies.

Yeah I made sure to have the ship I want in particular held for me. I eventually would like to get every ship from the wave of course, but right now, the only one I really want is the Advanced Prototype. I feel like I'll need the Mist Hunter for the tractor beam and adaptability eventually (and it looks fun to fly) so if it's there I'll grab it, but I can take or leave the large ones for now.

Feels weird not to want every ship in a wave right off the hop...Something must be wrong with me.

If my nearest store wasn't over an hour away on a work day, that might be an option.

So, some thoughts from the first game I played last night. My girlfriend used Dengar in the Punishing One and Zuckuss in the Mist Hunter, I used a very fluffy Ghost aided by Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors in the HWK.

Some things of note:

Zuckuss's pilot ability is really good, especially against the obvious targets of the Ghost, Decimator, and things with low agility.

Punishing One, especially Dengar, has some pretty good damage output, and is decently survivable. My girlfriend isn't even the most experienced player and she hasn't played in awhile, but damn did he hurt.

The Ghost is super fun, but is not as powerful as I thought. Realistically speaking, it's easy to take down. Once the Phantom is deployed, it loses a huge chunk of its firepower. The Ghost in general has a very nice attack, but it's cost + upgrades will typically make it cost too much for the amount of damage it causes.

Also, Reinforced Deflectors are a waste of points in my honest opinion. I'd much rather take a Fire Control System or something, since most of the time you're going to want to Evade with the Ghost.

I ended up buying 3x J5000s, 3x Tie Inquisitors, 3x Mist Hunters, and 2x Ghosts.
Yep, Wave 8 assault on the bank account was a success.