Note: I created a new thread for this as the other Warlord thread I keep for historicals only, and there is a separate Gates of Antares thread. I thought this warranted a new thread - but if a mod disagrees please feel free to move it. I'll keep it updated as I do the Warlord historicals thread
ANNOUNCEMENT: PROJECT Z – ZOMBIE SKIRMISH GAME
WARLORD GAMES DOES ZOMBIES! As announced last year, Warlord Games are working closely with Wargames Factory to exclusively distribute their
plastic wargame kits worldwide.
This deal gave us access to all of the dark future apocalyptic ranges featuring Zombies, Survivors and several
unreleased models including a Biker gang and Special Ops military.
The team here at Warlord have been having such great fun over the past few months modelling, painting and
converting models from the Zombie range that we couldn’t help ourselves but produce a whole game system,
entitled Project Z!
Unlike the various boardgames on the market, Project Z is a proper tabletop skirmish wargame with freedom of
movement, terrain, stat-lines, etc, etc. Packed with undead mayhem, the game is quick and fun, packed with
awesome models, hordes of Zombies and buckets of dice!
Project Z is due to be available from Warlord Games in April this year supported by a complete range of plastic
box sets. We plan to showcase Project Z at the Salute wargames show this year so visit us there and take a closer look!
Stay tuned to the Warlord Games newsletter for more info soon!
Already got heaps of zombies and survivors, will definitely get the rules for this. Will likely pick up some bikers and soldiers too. A Warlord guy on BoW also said there's other unreleased kits on the way that we don't yet know about...
Seeing as I already have a crapton of zombies from the first Zombicide KS and a wide selection of non-zombie models from Hasslefree and the like, all I need myself are the rules.
This is awesome news! I'm glad those kits won't be getting shelved. Even better news though is that there are new kits! I'm quite certain that that's a new male zombie kit. The plastic multipart military kit is also great news. I hope they will have spare gas mask heads.
judgedoug wrote: The main things I am personally interested in this is:
a) multipart plastic modern US Infantry with body armor and modern weapons loadouts. This is HUGE.
b) new male zombie sculpts to match the quality of the female zombies and survivors.
c) plastic motorcycles!
A game is just a bonus!
Agreed that multi-part modern infantry plastics would be huge, but my interest will really depend on how this gets packaged. It seems Warlord is pushing the big bundled sets of the WGF stuff and have dropped the old small WGF sets altogether. If they try to do Project Z with huge bundled sets I'll pass I only need 10-20 soldiers, not a damn battalion.
rwwin wrote: Agreed that multi-part modern infantry plastics would be huge, but my interest will really depend on how this gets packaged. It seems Warlord is pushing the big bundled sets of the WGF stuff and have dropped the old small WGF sets altogether. If they try to do Project Z with huge bundled sets I'll pass I only need 10-20 soldiers, not a damn battalion.
What do you mean? The Warlord packages for WGF are 24 to 30 infantry per box or 2 guns w/ crew & accessories per box.
Between this, the mantic Walking Dead KS and last year's Skirmish Outbreak there seems to be a good mix of proper tabletop zombie games around these days. As opposed to the more board game style that's been popular in the past 2/3 years.
I'm definitely interested to see the new minis and I've been meaning to pick up some of the WGF zombie stuff for some time.
Nick Ellingworth wrote: Between this, the mantic Walking Dead KS and last year's Skirmish Outbreak there seems to be a good mix of proper tabletop zombie games around these days. As opposed to the more board game style that's been popular in the past 2/3 years.
I'm definitely interested to see the new minis and I've been meaning to pick up some of the WGF zombie stuff for some time.
I would definitely wait - the original WGF Zombies were one of their first kits (Tony Reidy era) are are realllllly bad. Wait for the new sculpt ones to be released by Warlord. I'm sure they'll do a big combo deal like they usually do!
Well I was contemplating the walking dead Kickstarter, but I'm more of the TV fan, so this kicks that idea right in the nads. I'll pick these rules up eventually, and probably bikers and soldiers too. I've got enough (not really) zombicide zombies to feed the gangs.
More zombies? Bah, Humbug! What ever happened to good ole fashioned vampires? Doesn't anyone like goth kids anymore?
I agree though, I think this could hurt TWD, but at he same time if TWD is a great deal, it could hurt this. But I guess neither can afford to wait since I'm sure the next Zombicide campaign is secretly right around the corner too.
What do you mean? The Warlord packages for WGF are 24 to 30 infantry per box or 2 guns w/ crew & accessories per box.
Ah, I hadn't seen the new releases. Last I looked the only WGF stuff Available through Warlord were big bundles of AWI. The smaller boxes hadn't been posted.
What do you mean? The Warlord packages for WGF are 24 to 30 infantry per box or 2 guns w/ crew & accessories per box.
Ah, I hadn't seen the new releases. Last I looked the only WGF stuff Available through Warlord were big bundles of AWI. The smaller boxes hadn't been posted.
Ah yeah gotcha! I assume it's easier to print the boxes for like 1000 big sets at first and sell those while the print runs for a half dozen smaller boxes of say 10,000 per get done...
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I look forward to when these get included in Warlord's annual half off sprue sales.
Please let these be in the sprue sales!
I would think they would be... WGF is now just a manufacturer for Warlord, in the same way Renedra manufactures a few kits for Warlord and the other plastics company that Warlord uses / owns a controlling interest in... and those last two are included in the 50% off sales.
These are Warlord branded kits, unlike the Agema or Perry or Victrix that Warlord distributes.
Honestly not sure how much this could get hurt by TWD or Zombicide. The sprues were shown last year at salute, so the money has already been spent. Plus this will be out well before TWD arrives and like most gamers they will spend their $$$ up front. Anyone on my drawn in by TWD, probably wouldn't know about this anyway, so it's not really lost revenue. If anything they might grab some of the hype and customers as TWD fans will be talking it up and if they are interested, might grab this off the shelf while they are waiting for TWD to come out.
Zombicide.....well when you plan to go against the big boys you better bring your A game. These are multipose plastics, like Grimdork mentioned he is turned away from Zombicide because of multiples of the same figure. TWD may be monopole as well, and Mantic says they are a larger scale, so who knows how well they will fit with the rest of your gaming figs.
I suspect that this game will be more up my alley than TWD. No named characters (hopefully) and potentially fully player created warbands. TWD only seems to be offering player created characters and warbands as an afterthought. At least with this, I should be able to field whatever random stuff I want. Hopefully they'll also include the option to have unique and mutated zombies as well.
WOOOOO, I'm all over this!
The male survivors kit is something that really impressed me and the fact that you get 2 motorcycles on that sprue.. HOLY CRAP!!!! 28mm motorcycles are somewhat hard to find and the ones out there are stupidly expensive so yup.. sign me up. It comes with a bunch of really cool possibilities to expand the other kits as well.. *drool*
Then.. modern US infantry. For real? This is better and better. They are giving Mantic the middle finger, presumably unintentionally left and right with all of this. If they release multipart martians it will be the last bit of icing on that cake.
It's funny that even though this is "moar zombehs" (oh yay.. we're probably all good on that front) all the other implications of this have me more excited than I have been about miniatures news in a long while.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: CMON still needs to finish up Black Plague before they worry about another Zombicide campaign.
What they really ought to do is something SciFi again. It's been a while...
Like Zombicide: Deep Space? You know its coming next...
Give the success of Zombicides 1-3, and Black Plague, I have little doubt that there will be a sci-fi version coming along to tap into the sci-fi market.
Zombicide in space will totally happen at some point. The question is, will it be on a colony world or a space station? Regardless, I would back the hell out of Zombicide in space.
Barzam wrote: Zombicide in space will totally happen at some point. The question is, will it be on a colony world or a space station? Regardless, I would back the hell out of Zombicide in space.
I would bet space station. Makes the most sense as it has rooms and corridors, and there's great movie/game tie-ins possible. Could even have rules for zero-g events or hull breaches.
Ctaylor wrote: I wonder how well those survivors look next to the Terminator Genisys resistance soldiers.
Probably not very. They are not in quite the same scale, being a few mm shorter than the resistance. Also, the TG resistance soldiers are ...not my favorite. They are designed to be two pieces that push fit together, with quality that varies from as "high" as Mars Attacks Martians down to EM 4 Gangers The WGF survivors are superior in every way except branding and cost less than half the price per mini.
Hmm... actually, WGF are on the taller/truescale side of things so might actually work with the T:G figs (Which seem to be sculpted at 1/48 scale), more than, say, Bolt Action figs (heroic 28mm). I wouldn't be surprised if the forthcoming US Infantry are at least "close enough" to match the T:G figs. Anyone have any T:G figs w/ the Apocalypse Survivors set scale comparison shots?
Yeah I'm looking forward to those modern infantry plastics too. Got a copy of Black Ops hanging around and Skirmish Sangin along with Skirmish Outbreak currently in the post. Some decent US infantry minis would be perfect for those all of those.
Also contrary to my previous post I spotted a box of the original WGF zombies in my FLGS yesterday. Yeah they are pretty bad so I didn't buy them. However they also had the female zombies and female survivor sets which are much better looking and I couldn't resist. Hurrah! more plastic for the pile of unbuilt projects.
Had a look at the military sprues yesterday. they're not just US military. they come with alternate heads - various helmet styles, boonie hats, balaclavas - and weapons - british, russian, US and a few more. It's a really useful modern generic troops set.
BrookM wrote: The survivor boxed sets could do with more options though. I got both sets at €20 each and I find the options very lacking.
I think the options are quite deceptive; there's plenty, but so many that only fit on certain bodies that once you've built a dozen or so you need to break out the GS and knife to avoid doubling up. Hence why half of mine are unbuilt. I actually think if they sold them as individual sprues for a fiver or so each, they'd be a lot better; I'm not overly familiar with the zombie gaming genre, but I can't really think of a game where you'd want 30 survivors (or 60 if you get both sets). Maybe for RPGs, where you want multiple versions of the same character model or something, but other than that, 30 definitely seems like too many.
I also think the set could do with more 'passive' hands/arms, non-gun weapons, tools (wrenches, torches, maps, that kind of thing) rather than having nearly everyone get hold of a gun come the Zompocalyse.
pgmason wrote: Had a look at the military sprues yesterday. they're not just US military. they come with alternate heads - various helmet styles, boonie hats, balaclavas - and weapons - british, russian, US and a few more. It's a really useful modern generic troops set.
That's cool. Hopefully the poses are more modular than the survivors. Any chance of pics?
The Walking Dead game allows different versions of the same character (as they progress through the story timeline) and allows them to be equipped differently each time you play via equipment cards. The ability to model your 'character' three ways with the (now) Warlord kit is pretty cool for games like this that allow advancement, differing equipment load outs, or campaign play.
One thing I did notice with the military sprues is that torsos and legs appear to be separate, so that might help with variety as well, although I don't know how well different torsos fit on different legs etc.
pgmason wrote: Had a look at the military sprues yesterday. they're not just US military. they come with alternate heads - various helmet styles, boonie hats, balaclavas - and weapons - british, russian, US and a few more. It's a really useful modern generic troops set.
We were lucky enough to visit Warlord Games today at just the right time!
As you can see below, this is a sample plastic sprue that was created by Wargames Factory of Ultramodern multipose warriors. These were never released prior to the deal made with Warlord Games. The idea behind the sprue is that you can use the weapons attached to the arms or the spare items to create warriors from a number of different armies, so you can use the AK74 arm and a suitable head for Russian troops, the M4 arm for US forces or the SA80 arm for UK troops for a range of theatres of operation.
As this was one of the original versions of the sprue layout from Wargames Factory, there are more weapons than warrriors that can be constructed. The good news is that Warlord Games have re-designed the sprue to include more torsos and legs, so you can construct more figures per sprue but still have a range of weapon and other options.
These will be out at Salute, as will the new Project Z boxed wargame – it’s time to gather weapons and ammo and prepare for the zombie apocalypse!
Those sprues are pretty packed! And according to the article, there's now more legs/torsos per sprue than the pics thanks to a WLG redesign, which is good (there's quite a horrific arm/body imbalance on the original sprue, you'd be wasting a lot of plastic with only 4 guys per frame and 20-odd arms)
Price and final contents pending, I'd be very tempted to pick up a box, put together half a dozen or so guys for various nations (from the look of the sprue and what they say, there's parts for US, British and Russian troops, so a fourth militia/insurgent faction wouldn't be too hard to do either) and write up some rules for a tabletop version of CoD/Battlefield-multiplayer-style games; if I can make them familliar-ish/play like the video games, and simple enough, it might be a good one for playing with less wargamery types.
the sprue pics are the OLDER sprue pics, and have since been redesigned to have even MORE bodies per sprue!
definitely excited!
Spoiler:
We were lucky enough to visit Warlord Games today at just the right time!
As you can see below, this is a sample plastic sprue that was created by Wargames Factory of Ultramodern multipose warriors. These were never released prior to the deal made with Warlord Games. The idea behind the sprue is that you can use the weapons attached to the arms or the spare items to create warriors from a number of different armies, so you can use the AK74 arm and a suitable head for Russian troops, the M4 arm for US forces or the SA80 arm for UK troops for a range of theatres of operation.
As this was one of the original versions of the sprue layout from Wargames Factory, there are more weapons than warrriors that can be constructed. The good news is that Warlord Games have re-designed the sprue to include more torsos and legs, so you can construct more figures per sprue but still have a range of weapon and other options.
These will be out at Salute, as will the new Project Z boxed wargame – it’s time to gather weapons and ammo and prepare for the zombie apocalypse!
BrookM wrote: They mentioned boxed game, here's hoping the book will also be available on its own.
I can't imagine that Warlord are daft enough to not sell the rulebook separately. Though if the box is a good deal I see no reason not to buy it.
As for those modern military minis. I am really glad that I picked up a copy of Skirmish Sangin now. All that's needed is some plastic generic insurgent types to compliment them and modern day middle eastern wars are pretty much sorted (yes I know loads of metal minis exist but I would rather have plastics if possible).
BrookM wrote: They mentioned boxed game, here's hoping the book will also be available on its own.
I can't imagine that Warlord are daft enough to not sell the rulebook separately. Though if the box is a good deal I see no reason not to buy it.
As for those modern military minis. I am really glad that I picked up a copy of Skirmish Sangin now. All that's needed is some plastic generic insurgent types to compliment them and modern day middle eastern wars are pretty much sorted (yes I know loads of metal minis exist but I would rather have plastics if possible).
I imagine that between the military set and a few pieces here and there from the Survivors, insurgents would be pretty easy. especially if you're even remotely adept with a little Green Stuff.
Wow. Those soldiers look great! My only disappointment comes from the lack of gas mask heads and that there are no heads wearing a balaclava with a helmet. Pretty minor quibble though and not one that will stop me from buying some of these guys.
I like the soldiers The original sprue would have only got you what... 16 guys per box? I'm thinking 4 sprues per WGF kit (3 of survivors/zombies, 1 of extra gear), but with a heavier balance towards weapons on each sprue... you might just get 4 sprues, or something... I guess the vixens box only had 3 sprues to make the 30 zomladies plus crawlers though. I guess we'll see. If the box even comes with 20 of those guys it will be worth it, probably worth getting more than one for various factions. Modern Warfare / Call of Duty the Skirmish Game! (tm)
Paradigm wrote: Those sprues are pretty packed! And according to the article, there's now more legs/torsos per sprue than the pics thanks to a WLG redesign, which is good (there's quite a horrific arm/body imbalance on the original sprue, you'd be wasting a lot of plastic with only 4 guys per frame and 20-odd arms)
Price and final contents pending, I'd be very tempted to pick up a box, put together half a dozen or so guys for various nations (from the look of the sprue and what they say, there's parts for US, British and Russian troops, so a fourth militia/insurgent faction wouldn't be too hard to do either) and write up some rules for a tabletop version of CoD/Battlefield-multiplayer-style games; if I can make them familliar-ish/play like the video games, and simple enough, it might be a good one for playing with less wargamery types.
What you're describing is exactly what The Battlefield does - it has game modes taken directly from CoD, respawns, loadouts, multiplayer, etc.
Paradigm wrote: Those sprues are pretty packed! And according to the article, there's now more legs/torsos per sprue than the pics thanks to a WLG redesign, which is good (there's quite a horrific arm/body imbalance on the original sprue, you'd be wasting a lot of plastic with only 4 guys per frame and 20-odd arms)
Price and final contents pending, I'd be very tempted to pick up a box, put together half a dozen or so guys for various nations (from the look of the sprue and what they say, there's parts for US, British and Russian troops, so a fourth militia/insurgent faction wouldn't be too hard to do either) and write up some rules for a tabletop version of CoD/Battlefield-multiplayer-style games; if I can make them familliar-ish/play like the video games, and simple enough, it might be a good one for playing with less wargamery types.
What you're describing is exactly what The Battlefield does - it has game modes taken directly from CoD, respawns, loadouts, multiplayer, etc.
Might look to that for some inspiration then. I'll probably still end up writing my own simply as I greatly enjoy the process of rules-writing, but it'll be good to have something to compare to.
Paradigm wrote: Those sprues are pretty packed! And according to the article, there's now more legs/torsos per sprue than the pics thanks to a WLG redesign, which is good (there's quite a horrific arm/body imbalance on the original sprue, you'd be wasting a lot of plastic with only 4 guys per frame and 20-odd arms)
Price and final contents pending, I'd be very tempted to pick up a box, put together half a dozen or so guys for various nations (from the look of the sprue and what they say, there's parts for US, British and Russian troops, so a fourth militia/insurgent faction wouldn't be too hard to do either) and write up some rules for a tabletop version of CoD/Battlefield-multiplayer-style games; if I can make them familliar-ish/play like the video games, and simple enough, it might be a good one for playing with less wargamery types.
What you're describing is exactly what The Battlefield does - it has game modes taken directly from CoD, respawns, loadouts, multiplayer, etc.
The Battlefield is one of those rulesets that I've always wanted to play, but I didn't want to get a bunch of metal models for.
If a single boxset gives me at least two teams to play with, then I'll buy one in a heartbeat.
Paradigm wrote: Those sprues are pretty packed! And according to the article, there's now more legs/torsos per sprue than the pics thanks to a WLG redesign, which is good (there's quite a horrific arm/body imbalance on the original sprue, you'd be wasting a lot of plastic with only 4 guys per frame and 20-odd arms)
Price and final contents pending, I'd be very tempted to pick up a box, put together half a dozen or so guys for various nations (from the look of the sprue and what they say, there's parts for US, British and Russian troops, so a fourth militia/insurgent faction wouldn't be too hard to do either) and write up some rules for a tabletop version of CoD/Battlefield-multiplayer-style games; if I can make them familliar-ish/play like the video games, and simple enough, it might be a good one for playing with less wargamery types.
What you're describing is exactly what The Battlefield does - it has game modes taken directly from CoD, respawns, loadouts, multiplayer, etc.
The Battlefield is one of those rulesets that I've always wanted to play, but I didn't want to get a bunch of metal models for.
If a single boxset gives me at least two teams to play with, then I'll buy one in a heartbeat.
If you use 28mm models you only need 4 guys per team, unless you want to use squads (I think squads are mainly meant for 15mm) in which case you would need 16 models per team. Squads makes the most sense game-wise (in squad mode, you have 4 models per unit, and models are essentially "wounds", whereas with one figure representing each unit, that figure would have 4 "wounds").
If you use 28mm models you only need 4 guys per team, unless you want to use squads (I think squads are mainly meant for 15mm) in which case you would need 16 models per team. Squads makes the most sense game-wise (in squad mode, you have 4 models per unit, and models are essentially "wounds", whereas with one figure representing each unit, that figure would have 4 "wounds").
Is that the difference between the "First Person Shooter" and "Third Person Shooter" modes?
lord_blackfang wrote: Boy, that modern soldiers sprue is awesome ,but it desperately needs more balaklavas.
I'm not sure what happened to them, but Crooked Dice did do a set of balaclava heads and gasmask heads for their soldiers that may work on these. That preview just caused a cancellation of TWD as the bikers and these soldiers sound much much better!
lord_blackfang wrote: Boy, that modern soldiers sprue is awesome ,but it desperately needs more balaklavas.
I'm not sure what happened to them, but Crooked Dice did do a set of balaclava heads and gasmask heads for their soldiers that may work on these. That preview just caused a cancellation of TWD as the bikers and these soldiers sound much much better!
Could someone who is more knoweldgable on guns do a quick list of what gun types are actually on the sprue, aside from the standard machine guns? I can see the RPG and the rocket launcher, and what might be a shotgun, but I can't make out any sniper rifles or LMGs that, from a gaming perspective, might be quite handy to have for assorted rulesets.
Looks like various types of M4, AK74, L85 (SA80) and what looks like Sig STG's. Benelli M4 shotgun. There's some LMG varieties of the L85 by the looks of it, and some sort of H&K LMG. There's RPG-7's and AT-4's. Don't see any sniper rifles.
Cool, cheers for that. I think there are a fair few long rifles and maybe an actual sniper rifle on the survivor sprues, so if need be I'll just commandeer something from there should I need one.
wgf survivor, wgf reverend custodier, wgf, infinity usarf grunt, survivor with boy sculpt in front and PZ behind, bones nun in front of terminator
survivor, PZ, AOBR terminator (note, they're all on 1.5mm bases), zombie vixen, old metal dark angel (slightly shorter than regular tac marine...very slightly), wgf survivor.
Sorry, didn't have a lot of time or a photo booth set up. Also could only dig up Infinity, 40k (and just 2 of those) and the various WGF kits. Oh and some plague zombies.
Theophony wrote: Now I know what to spend my mantic TWD kickstarter funds on
$125 will buy you a LOT of WGF stuff...
This is a very good point.
That's most likely what will happen to my TWD pledge funds too...
I hope the kneeling legs on the soldier sprue are extra and you aren't forced to use them.
~Eric
Given the price to mini ratio of the other kits in the range, you could easily just not build the kneeling guy on each sprue and still be paying less than a pound per mini. Though given that they say the final sprues will have more bodies and legs, they may have thought to include enough standing legs to avoid needing to use the kneeling ones if you don't want to.
If you use 28mm models you only need 4 guys per team, unless you want to use squads (I think squads are mainly meant for 15mm) in which case you would need 16 models per team. Squads makes the most sense game-wise (in squad mode, you have 4 models per unit, and models are essentially "wounds", whereas with one figure representing each unit, that figure would have 4 "wounds").
Is that the difference between the "First Person Shooter" and "Third Person Shooter" modes?
the sprue pics are the OLDER sprue pics, and have since been redesigned to have even MORE bodies per sprue!
definitely excited!
Spoiler:
We were lucky enough to visit Warlord Games today at just the right time!
As you can see below, this is a sample plastic sprue that was created by Wargames Factory of Ultramodern multipose warriors. These were never released prior to the deal made with Warlord Games. The idea behind the sprue is that you can use the weapons attached to the arms or the spare items to create warriors from a number of different armies, so you can use the AK74 arm and a suitable head for Russian troops, the M4 arm for US forces or the SA80 arm for UK troops for a range of theatres of operation.
As this was one of the original versions of the sprue layout from Wargames Factory, there are more weapons than warrriors that can be constructed. The good news is that Warlord Games have re-designed the sprue to include more torsos and legs, so you can construct more figures per sprue but still have a range of weapon and other options.
These will be out at Salute, as will the new Project Z boxed wargame – it’s time to gather weapons and ammo and prepare for the zombie apocalypse!
Those would be perfect for making a spetznaz squad, interested!
I really like those new modern troopers. I'm a little concerned that the sprues changed since that means fewer options as the extra bodies had to replace something. I don't understand the whole " I have extra bits left over after using all the bodies. That is bad. " mentality. I'll wait and see how they turn out.
Extras is fine. Enough extras to have done twice as many guys? I'll feel like I wasted my money, especially if I got noticeably less guys than in the survivors packs.
That's the thing, those sprues are packed, but there is a rather huge imbalance of arms to bodies there, you'd get a lot of wasted plastic (and I do mean wasted, even with half a dozen extra bodies from somewhere you'd still have a great many spares, that's sprue space better suited to more minis).
I think you are both holding the wrong thing constant. It is far more likely that the $per body stays the same as it was before, and the number of sprues just goes down. I would be very surprised if Worlord set their prices based on what $ people are willing to pay per "box" without regard to the $ per mini.
Even if that's the case, I'd rather have more bodies per sprue, and less sprues, as that still gives you less wasted parts. It's not about more minis, it's about having less useless extra parts, and maybe getting cheaper minis into the bargain.
That is a valid opinion. I think I am too much of a hoarder/converter to understand the "wasted bits" mentality, especially when it will likely reduce the number of options for equipping the bodies, but to each their own.
I do have hope that they just replaced the bases with more bodies.
Nostromodamus wrote: Looks like various types of M4, AK74, L85 (SA80) and what looks like Sig STG's. Benelli M4 shotgun. There's some LMG varieties of the L85 by the looks of it, and some sort of H&K LMG. There's RPG-7's and AT-4's. Don't see any sniper rifles.
Gallahad wrote: That is a valid opinion. I think I am too much of a hoarder/converter to understand the "wasted bits" mentality, especially when it will likely reduce the number of options for equipping the bodies, but to each their own.
I do have hope that they just replaced the bases with more bodies.
Do Warlord kits typically not come with bases, then? Or do they just include separate, GW-style bases that wouldn't need to be on the sprue? I do like the WFG bases like the ones on the survivor kit that already have a concrete texture on them, as they're so easy to paint, just grey, black wash, add road markings as needed.
Oh, I am very much a hoarder, I'm the kind of guy that won't throw out a Bolter despite having a dozen in the bits box already... It's just that that sprue has 20 left arms, plus about a dozen alternative weapons for those, as 7 right arms, for a set of 4 bodies. I think you could easily cut one lot of gun arms, or even just the loose guns that are going to be a pain to convert anyway, and fit on another body and pair of legs for no real loss in customisation ability.
In my experience bases being in the box varies with warlord. Bolt Action plastics for example all come with bases. The metals don't. If I remember correctly the pike and shotte stuff I've got didn't come with any bases. I've got no idea what the situation is with the Hail Ceaser or Black Powder ranges.
Since they've already got the textured bases WGF developed for these minis I can't imagine that they're going to get rid of them.
The current survivors and vixen boxes all come with bases. Sprues have 10 bodies, arms, heads, weapons etc, and 10 bases. Both survivor boxes get an additional sprue with a crapload of weapons, some are attached to arms and others are loose.
Nick Ellingworth wrote: In my experience bases being in the box varies with warlord. Bolt Action plastics for example all come with bases. The metals don't.
Within the past year all Bolt Action metals come with bases. That's why they developed the lipped plastic bases in 25mm round, 25x50mm pill (cav/bike), 40mm round (team), 60mm round (support) plastics.
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Gallahad wrote: I really like those new modern troopers. I'm a little concerned that the sprues changed since that means fewer options as the extra bodies had to replace something. I don't understand the whole " I have extra bits left over after using all the bodies. That is bad. " mentality. I'll wait and see how they turn out.
The "As this was one of the original versions of the sprue layout from Wargames Factory, there are more weapons than warrriors that can be constructed. The good news is that Warlord Games have re-designed the sprue to include more torsos and legs, so you can construct more figures per sprue but still have a range of weapon and other options. " doesn't say they replaced any bits. I am wondering if the redesign makes them match their current style (large sprues chock full of options - Blitzkrieg, Grenadiers, Fallschirmjager, Japanese, for example). So enlarging the sprue, but putting more torso/legs on.
I wonder if thye 'sacrificed' the bases on the sprue as replacing them with separate ones would be simple enough and give plenty more space for bodies etc
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I wonder if thye 'sacrificed' the bases on the sprue as replacing them with separate ones would be simple enough and give plenty more space for bodies etc
That would be my guess too. Warlord invested in their own range of plastic bases so it seems redundant for new sprues to have bases on them (though their older WW2 infantry kits have bases on the sprues, the newer Fallschirmjager do not; the Grenadiers have 6 men and 1 base per sprue because they are meant to be paired up with the 5-base sprue)
The new Fallschirmjager plastics have a NEW sprue of bases included in the box. The base sprue not only has six bases (to match up to the 6 bodies per sprue) but an amount of WW2 bits - pouches, pointing hands, etc - that are useful for all of their ww2 range.
The lips on Warlord's new bases ironically work best with metal figures or plastics that have an integral base, so you can fill them in to more easily "get rid of" the little hill that the integral bases create. My only gripe is that Warlord's new bases are more expensive than the Renedra rounds that they used to sell, despite the fact that WLG now produce their own. At least I can buy the Renedra ones elsewhere still.
Come to think of it, my Hail Caesar Britons I got over the holidays didn't come with a bases sprue. I didn't think of it at the time, but that is strange; usually you get a sprue with 20x20, 20x40, 40x40 etc bases.
Am I seriously the only one with more than a few hundred extra bases? (gw style)
Granted, after I base up my Bones and a few other things I will be down a bit but still..
I'm doing a Arkham Knight thing and the modern soldiers are PERFECT for the militia guys. I had picked up some heads from Mad Robot a while back that will fill any gaps and bam.. too good to not do.
Oh.. better see if Jez still has time to ship out an APC before he starts working on Ep VIII
Also.. Do we know if the biker gang will be in the initial release wave? If so I'm going to be stupidly broke when this hits.
MLaw wrote: Am I seriously the only one with more than a few hundred extra bases? (gw style)
Granted, after I base up my Bones and a few other things I will be down a bit but still..
I'm doing a Arkham Knight thing and the modern soldiers are PERFECT for the militia guys. I had picked up some heads from Mad Robot a while back that will fill any gaps and bam.. too good to not do.
Oh.. better see if Jez still has time to ship out an APC before he starts working on Ep VIII
Also.. Do we know if the biker gang will be in the initial release wave? If so I'm going to be stupidly broke when this hits.
Just a heads up, if your Arkham Knight plan involves the Batman minis, the WGF/WLG will be very small in comparison.
MLaw wrote: Am I seriously the only one with more than a few hundred extra bases? (gw style) Granted, after I base up my Bones and a few other things I will be down a bit but still..
I'm doing a Arkham Knight thing and the modern soldiers are PERFECT for the militia guys. I had picked up some heads from Mad Robot a while back that will fill any gaps and bam.. too good to not do.
Oh.. better see if Jez still has time to ship out an APC before he starts working on Ep VIII
Also.. Do we know if the biker gang will be in the initial release wave? If so I'm going to be stupidly broke when this hits.
Just a heads up, if your Arkham Knight plan involves the Batman minis, the WGF/WLG will be very small in comparison.
Nah, my plan doesn't.. this is unrelated to BMG. I've been scouring Heroclix for iconic characters and sculpts that are workable. Though I do plan on eventually playing BMG I will have to work my way over to that and the Marvel game has captured my ever-so-easily distracted attention.
Has there been any discussion yet about how the game mechanics will work for Project Z? Or who is writing the rules?
Wehrkind wrote: Come to think of it, my Hail Caesar Britons I got over the holidays didn't come with a bases sprue. I didn't think of it at the time, but that is strange; usually you get a sprue with 20x20, 20x40, 40x40 etc bases.
I think I covered those with sets of bases from Victrix which work pretty well.
MLaw wrote: Am I seriously the only one with more than a few hundred extra bases? (gw style)
Granted, after I base up my Bones and a few other things I will be down a bit but still..
I have no idea what my bases situation is ultimately like. I've got a lot of unpainted models, and I've bought a lot of extra bases, but then with the shuffling of all 28mm infantry to various forms of 25mm rounds, and deciding to move my painted and unpainted marines to 32mm bases, and then the 25mm rounds that this in turn frees up.. if I were ever to finish painting all of my models, I'm sure there'd be a shortfall somewhere.
From a quick comparison of the old and new modern military sprues, it looks like they've doubled the number per sprue from 4 to 8, just by removing the bases. It doesn't look like any weapons or options were removed.
That's badass. The military sprue is way more diverse than just a simple military sprue. The gear is for both 1st world type armies as well as the more AK/RPG type of terrorist or third world style forces. With a little work it could even be a SWAT or other specialized response type team.
Those bikers.. I'm seeing a bunch of male/female pairings. I'm not sure if they are meant to be single or dual riders on the bikes or if either gender can be the rider or what but that is a LOT of plastic packed into those kits!
The new zombies are very usable. The bases being on board are meh but whatever.. It works.
Was there supposed to be something different about the male survivor sprue? That's the only set from the range that I own and I didn't see anything different.
All in all... fantastic and versatile stuff coming at us. We were already spoiled for choices and it just keeps getting better
Barzam wrote: It looks like the soldiers lost their bases. I still wish they got same heads with masks and helmets.
I think they do.. it's hard to say from that image but image 5.. I see what looks like a few helmet only, a few helmet/mask, and 2 what I think are mask.. then some hats and regular/bare heads.
Am I off on that?
I love the biker hero sprue , top center piece looks like a shotgun in a holster for the bike, but the edge of the holster looks like a chainsword , so there's a chance of a chainsword-shotgun.
Yeah, I'm not into $40 packs for a few figures and a rare equipment card (before you ask... no, I don't own any X-wing product either), especially when that sort of money gets me 30 modular HIPS miniatures, likely of superior quality, too.
And I already own a box each of WGF male zombies, female zombies, male survivors and female survivors. So I just need a box of bikers and soldiers.
Pacific wrote: Sorry if I've missed this earlier in the thread, but has there been any mention yet of what format the rules will take?
Also, who is writing them?
Finally (this is the last question) will there be any community/beta playtesting? (has this already been done?)
I believe (based on Warlord's typical product lines) that it'll be available as a standalone rulebook sold individually (probably with a limited edition model), or a boxed starter set with 2 forces - similar to Bolt Action, Hail Caesar, GoA, etc...
Not sure about community playtesting or who the writer is.
Given that they said the initial starter box will be about £35, I would guess they are doing the same as terminator with an intro box, a box with full rule book and just the rule book.
Interested to know more about the rules... Curious to know if it is a modified version of an existing system, or something new. How would the terminator core rules stand up to this sort of thing?
The Terminator rules belong (such as these things can) to Alessio/River Horse. I guess we don't know how much it'll be PVP or PVZ. It could easily be another game based on Bolt Action, along with the Weird WW2 game coming out later this year, but BA might be considered too "big" a ruleset for something like this, which you'd potentially expect to be more Necromunda-to-SAGA sized
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm not familiar with Warlord bundles. What can we expect for £35? A sprue of survivors, a sprue of zombies and the book?
Given that under WGF, the sets of 30 Zombies/Survivors (3 sprues in each set) were about £16 each, I would not be at all surprised if the starter box had, say 1 sprue of Soldiers, 1 of Bikers, the Biker Hero the mentioned, 10 survivors and 30 zombies plus a mini rulebook in the starter...
Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
bubber wrote: Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
So if I understand right, that's:
43+60 Zombies (box plus one of each set)
10+60 Survivors (same again)
However many Bikers are on a sprue+ in the box
I'm guessing 24 Soldiers (3xsprue of 8 would be my estimate).
No way I'd ever need that much, but that's a lot of mini for your money...
bubber wrote: Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
I only live a short train journey from London, I'll go to Salute just for this! (Salute overwise is a waste of time sadly...).
bubber wrote: Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
I only live a short train journey from London, I'll go to Salute just for this! (Salute overwise is a waste of time sadly...).
What's the problem with Salute ? It's easily the most impressive UK show (both in terms of display stuff and opportunities to spend money!)
I've only been once but I really enjoy salute. It would be worth going just for the large displays they have on. But the free miniature the preview of new models and lines along with the participation games made it well worth last years visit and I will certainly be returning. But hopefully I'll spend less this time
Honestly for me I really hope oshiro is doing another demo game. Beyond that really looking forward to seeing the warlord stuff. Will try to avoid spending a ton on perry samurai and Koreans this time but I may struggle with that.
bubber wrote: Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
I only live a short train journey from London, I'll go to Salute just for this! (Salute overwise is a waste of time sadly...).
What's the problem with Salute ? It's easily the most impressive UK show (both in terms of display stuff and opportunities to spend money!)
It's all a bit rushed tbh. Yes they have nice displays and demos and some good sales etc but I find ig all a bit lackluster. I haven't had a free bag the last couple of times either even though I've prebooked my ticket. The Warlord stand was horrible last year. Absolutely no room to move around at all and I found the staff to be rather rude. Personally I enjoy the UK Games Expo in Birmingham a lot more then Salute, the games demos are more fun, much more relaxed atmosphere it's over the entire weekend and not crammed into a single day and there are various tournaments that can be attended as well. I can see the Expo taking over from Salute as the number one UK games show.
Pacific wrote: Wait..you're going to be able to get this at Salute?
So used to 12-18 month waits for KSs these days!
It's not a KS
I think he means that there's so many of these new projects that get put through KS, a long wait time is becoming the new normal. To see something almost ready to release at retail is a nice thing to see!
bubber wrote: Don't know the original source but:
Second update,If you are at Salute and spend £100 at Warlord, you get the boxed game, with 43 zombies, a Survivor and Biker Gang sprue, the rules and the special dice PLUS one set of each figure release there will ever be in your hand on the day, which includes the re-designed ones for free.
I only live a short train journey from London, I'll go to Salute just for this! (Salute overwise is a waste of time sadly...).
What's the problem with Salute ? It's easily the most impressive UK show (both in terms of display stuff and opportunities to spend money!)
It's all a bit rushed tbh. Yes they have nice displays and demos and some good sales etc but I find ig all a bit lackluster. I haven't had a free bag the last couple of times either even though I've prebooked my ticket. The Warlord stand was horrible last year. Absolutely no room to move around at all and I found the staff to be rather rude. Personally I enjoy the UK Games Expo in Birmingham a lot more then Salute, the games demos are more fun, much more relaxed atmosphere it's over the entire weekend and not crammed into a single day and there are various tournaments that can be attended as well. I can see the Expo taking over from Salute as the number one UK games show.
Definitely agree the Games Expo is a good one, really cool atmosphere and much better to sit down and enjoy a game, although I keep getting lost between the rooms
Project Z - The Zombie Miniatures Game
Includes 23 Zombies, 10 Male Survivors, 6 Biker Gangers (inc. 2 motorbikes) plus rules, dice, cards and counters
Zombie Horde Expansion Set
Contains 23 Zombies - every one completely individual. Don't miss Hospital Patient zombie, Roadkill zombie and Baywatch zombie!
Male Survivors Expansion Set
Contains 10 male survivors and includes a weapons options sprue for even more variety.
Biker Gang Expansion Set
Contains parts to make 6 gangers including 2 bikes plus Gang Leader model with pillion rider (and lots of weapon options!)
Female Survivors Expansion Set
Contains 10 female survivors plus the weapons options sprue for more variety. Our favourite is Bazooka Big Momma!
Special Operations Team Expansion Set
Contains 8 Spec Ops soldiers with a fantastic range of heads, weapons and gear.
Feral Dogs (Metal) FREE!
Starter set (no price yet)
The starter set contains:
23 Zombies
10 Male Survivors
6 Biker Gangers (inc. 2 motorbikes)
Plus rules, dice, cards and counters
Keep getting a brief flash of the preorder site before it poops out a 404 error, no luck in getting it to freeze in the middle of loading, subbing here for quickest news.
Caught most of the screen that pops up when I click the preorder, some kind of mega deal thing.
I'm not honestly sure if that 'deal' holds up to the value I was getting from WGF. I think I found my kits on Amazon (and Amazon is rarely a place to get your models 'cheap') for maybe 16-20 bucks which is not insignificantly under a buck a mini. The vehicles listed in that bundle are surely bikes, which barely count for more than 2-3 minis, and it's in pounds so... what... almost $170? Paying a lot of rules and game aids. But maybe that's why its 404ing, the page isn't done or correct.
GrimDork wrote: I'm not honestly sure if that 'deal' holds up to the value I was getting from WGF. I think I found my kits on Amazon (and Amazon is rarely a place to get your models 'cheap') for maybe 16-20 bucks which is not insignificantly under a buck a mini. The vehicles listed in that bundle are surely bikes, which barely count for more than 2-3 minis, and it's in pounds so... what... almost $170? Paying a lot of rules and game aids. But maybe that's why its 404ing, the page isn't done or correct.
You're getting that message because you're in the US. When is auto switches to the US website it isn't offered. The preorder is only offered on the UK site.
Seems like a reasonable deal to me in the UK as it is close to £1 a miniature. If comparing to the likes of Mantic's TWD and Zombicide remember these are HIPS and not PVC/restic as well. I hope that Warlord release some gameplay videos soon, they did a great job hyping GoA and I hope they can do the same here.
Probably more like 1/2 or 2/3 of the price =\ I don't need repeats of the oversexed lady zombies so uess they offer the new me ones individually I'm not sure I'll be getting them. One or more of the bikers and soldiers though...definitely. Rules are a toss up, not sure I'd buy into them blind.
I just don't think they will be 1/3 of the price, things are just more expensive in the UK. That is obviously a double whammy with exchange rates/postage for those in the US/ROW. I assume that Warlord have distribution in certain parts of the world so hopefully online retailers can offer a discount to partially offset any price increases. We must also remember that Warlord have altered the sprues and created the game so some of those costs have to be paid for.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Unquestionably. I suddenly find myself interested in a setting that I previously had zero interest in...
Whilst I have always been a fan of the genre I never had much interest in WGF, which is why I think Warlord Games taking over/distributing there sprues is a great things as they can reach a wider audience.
Ouch. While merging the male and female zombies into one box made sense (female zombies still seem bigger though) it never occurred to me that Warlord might reduce the model count in survivor boxes by so much although it probably makes sense from a rules point of view (no doubt why the model count in the spec ops box is even lower).
Interesting to see what the new boxed set prices will be. I picked up the old male and female survivor boxed sets for €19,99 each. Also curious to see whether or not these redone boxed sets will include the extra sprue with arms and weapons, otherwise you're in for a very boring set of models with limited options.
The price for the Bolt Action plastics is very reasonable, but I think the problem is with the WGF stuff we were pretty spoilt by how cheap they were.
But, they were a Chinese operation and now it looks like the distribution is moving to Europe then of course you are going to get some of a price rise. Personally, even if it's a bit above what we paid before it's still going to be a good deal relatively (and I can't talk enough about HIPs over some of the other stuff out there)
At the very least will pick up the special ops guys and biker gang, will have a look at the rules alongside the Walking Dead Ones and choose whichever one does the better job!
I don't mind the 1 sprue+Accessory Sprue survivor repacks, so long as the price is right (no more than £12ish, before discount). The Soldiers I was looking to get one box of and be done, if I have to buy three or so at the inflated price I'll probably pass for the forseeable future.
The US ordering is working now. The bundle is $175.
NWS ( http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net ) will be adding the deal to their store soon. It will be cheaper there, but NWS does add shipping cost to whatever price they list. I've found their prices very reasonable, and they will generally also lower prices to match when Warlord has a sale. I've gotten a lot of Bolt Action stuff through them.
If the conversion follows the same way as the AWI kits that went from WGF to Warlord, price per model should stay close to $1 per figure which is higher than the original WGF price but still reasonable.
As examples, the RRP for the woodland indians, colonial militia and continental infantry are all now at +/- $1 per figure.
On the other hand, the Project Z figs come with extra weapon sprues so maybe they'll turn out to be more expensive. Either way, with Warlord now in the chain as a middleman, there was bound to be a price increase.
GrimDork wrote: I'm not honestly sure if that 'deal' holds up to the value I was getting from WGF. I think I found my kits on Amazon (and Amazon is rarely a place to get your models 'cheap') for maybe 16-20 bucks which is not insignificantly under a buck a mini. The vehicles listed in that bundle are surely bikes, which barely count for more than 2-3 minis, and it's in pounds so... what... almost $170? Paying a lot of rules and game aids. But maybe that's why its 404ing, the page isn't done or correct.
Hmm, I'm counting the $170 bundle has 96 miniatures plus 4 motorcycles, a pack of feral dogs, and then the game itself (several books, tokens, custom dice, custom card decks, etc), w free shipping worldwide. Considering the retooling (especially of male zombies) and that Warlord is now a distributor (versus WGF being their own distributor), seems like a not insignificant deal. Also, NWS Online and Miniature Market carry Warlord at 20% off or more, so I can see this bundle being available for $130, which is then actually a good deal. Puts it in Mantic deal land, but with, like, infinitely better miniatures.
GrimDork wrote: I'm not honestly sure if that 'deal' holds up to the value I was getting from WGF. I think I found my kits on Amazon (and Amazon is rarely a place to get your models 'cheap') for maybe 16-20 bucks which is not insignificantly under a buck a mini. The vehicles listed in that bundle are surely bikes, which barely count for more than 2-3 minis, and it's in pounds so... what... almost $170? Paying a lot of rules and game aids. But maybe that's why its 404ing, the page isn't done or correct.
Hmm, I'm counting the $170 bundle has 96 miniatures plus 4 motorcycles, a pack of feral dogs, and then the game itself (several books, tokens, custom dice, custom card decks, etc), w free shipping worldwide. Considering the retooling (especially of male zombies) and that Warlord is now a distributor (versus WGF being their own distributor), seems like a not insignificant deal. Also, NWS Online and Miniature Market carry Warlord at 20% off or more, so I can see this bundle being available for $130, which is then actually a good deal. Puts it in Mantic deal land, but with, like, infinitely better miniatures.
But wouldn't this "deal" be something Warlord is offering directly? If you guys expect Miniatures Market, etc... to get this same bundle discounted, i'll hold off, but otherwise I am all over preordering from Warlord themselves. :-p
I never said it was bad. Just not nearly as good as the WGF costs. Bundle is definitely not for me, couldn't possibly use that much more of everything.
Starting fresh, the base game would be nice. But it would have to come cheap for it to be useful to me now as all I'd get out of the retail set would be the bikers and 10 zombie dudes (and rules, I do want those...but not sure if I want them with the dead weight of MORE vixens and repeated male survivors).
Happy to wait for the bikers and soldiers to hit MM. Maybe the metal dogs if they're good and offered separately. Doesn't sound like the male zombies are going to be available solo which is sad making. I do appreciate being able to get smaller packs of the soldiers/bikers, 30 of each type of survivor was probably too much. I just hope the individual pack costs don't skyrocket.
You know... I just realized this game plays in the incredibly odd numbers of 1-3 players...
Solo play for a proper miniatures game makes me hope it has campaign progression. I'd love to risk/advance my crew solo on occasion in between game nights with friends or the wife. I'll go out on a limb and guess in three player games, someone plays the zombies versus two other, likewise antagonistic crews?
Hmm, I'm counting the $170 bundle has 96 miniatures plus 4 motorcycles, a pack of feral dogs, and then the game itself (several books, tokens, custom dice, custom card decks, etc), w free shipping worldwide.
5 bikes. The Gang box comes with 2 bikes on the main sprue and one on the boss sprue
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: You know... I just realized this game plays in the incredibly odd numbers of 1-3 players...
Solo play for a proper miniatures game makes me hope it has campaign progression. I'd love to risk/advance my crew solo on occasion in between game nights with friends or the wife. I'll go out on a limb and guess in three player games, someone plays the zombies versus two other, likewise antagonistic crews?
Fingers powerfully crossed on a good rule set.
1 player implies AI rules for the Zs
Perhaps with an option for a player to take control of them?
Agree though, campaign progression is a must for this kind of thing. Hopefully between this and WTD one of them will have got it !
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: But wouldn't this "deal" be something Warlord is offering directly? If you guys expect Miniatures Market, etc... to get this same bundle discounted, i'll hold off, but otherwise I am all over preordering from Warlord themselves. :-p
Hmm AFAIKNWS Online has the Warlord deals as well. Mini Market is a more traditional retailer though so only has the normal trade items.
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GrimDork wrote: Happy to wait for the bikers and soldiers to hit MM. Maybe the metal dogs if they're good and offered separately. Doesn't sound like the male zombies are going to be available solo which is sad making. I do appreciate being able to get smaller packs of the soldiers/bikers, 30 of each type of survivor was probably too much. I just hope the individual pack costs don't skyrocket.
Warlord does a 50% off sprue sale about once every 6 to 9 months. Just wait for that magical day!
If I was going to choose between this and TWD I'd need to see rules and a starter price before the end of that campaign.
Bikers are really cool. Seems weird to be this close to release and know nothing about the rules. I wonder what kind of post release support we will see?
The soldier kit looks interesting. The TWD has more interesting factions, assuming they get funded. The latest faction in the comics is really unique and would offer interesting possibilities game play wise.
Hard plastic bikers and zombies would make for a bit of hobby fun too!
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: But wouldn't this "deal" be something Warlord is offering directly? If you guys expect Miniatures Market, etc... to get this same bundle discounted, i'll hold off, but otherwise I am all over preordering from Warlord themselves. :-p
Hmm AFAIKNWS Online has the Warlord deals as well. Mini Market is a more traditional retailer though so only has the normal trade items.
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GrimDork wrote: Happy to wait for the bikers and soldiers to hit MM. Maybe the metal dogs if they're good and offered separately. Doesn't sound like the male zombies are going to be available solo which is sad making. I do appreciate being able to get smaller packs of the soldiers/bikers, 30 of each type of survivor was probably too much. I just hope the individual pack costs don't skyrocket.
Warlord does a 50% off sprue sale about once every 6 to 9 months. Just wait for that magical day!
I'm not familiar with NWS Online, Doug. I assume they're a reputable dealer? Any insight as to when they'll have this bundle up?
Edit: Hot damn do I love the look of that Spec Ops kit. Multi-part with lots of options could make those my go-to models for a ton of different systems.
They seem pretty solid. The poses suffer a bit from coming out of a multi-option hard plastic kit, but the proportions on them look better than a lot of other modern soldier stuff I've seen. Certainly, they'd fit right in with the most of my humans (because those are also WGF/WLD).
I'm not familiar with NWS Online, Doug. I assume they're a reputable dealer? Any insight as to when they'll have this bundle up?
I'm not Doug, but I have bought from them 4-5 times in the last year or so. They do communicate (answer questions when you email) decently, will special order for you, and do deliver. They can take a week or two to get special order stuff from Warlord, and obviously when they offer a pre-order are at Warlord's mercy as to when it actually is released. As I mentioned above, their prices are very good, but they DO add shipping when you check out. Having said that, they have come in under the Warstore's prices and are better stocked for Warlord stuff for the most part, especially special offer and new stuff.
They told me they were waiting for Warlord to give them the pricing for the bundle, I would expect them to list it next week, I'm not sure when they'll list the individual packs/sets as even Warlord does not have it for pre-order yet.
I'm not familiar with NWS Online, Doug. I assume they're a reputable dealer? Any insight as to when they'll have this bundle up?
I'm not Doug, but I have bought from them 4-5 times in the last year or so. They do communicate (answer questions when you email) decently, will special order for you, and do deliver. They can take a week or two to get special order stuff from Warlord, and obviously when they offer a pre-order are at Warlord's mercy as to when it actually is released. As I mentioned above, their prices are very good, but they DO add shipping when you check out. Having said that, they have come in under the Warstore's prices and are better stocked for Warlord stuff for the most part, especially special offer and new stuff.
They told me they were waiting for Warlord to give them the pricing for the bundle, I would expect them to list it next week, I'm not sure when they'll list the individual packs/sets as even Warlord does not have it for pre-order yet.
Thanks man. I figure I have until March 11th to decide anyway, right?
Man, I would really love a bit of rules info. I don't need a beta set of rules, but I would love knowing in broad strokes what to expect. If there aren't campaign rules, for example, it will definitely take some oompf out of my enthusiasm.
Are there any good third-party zombie-survivor-campaign rule sets out there?
Try Skrimish Outbreak, it seems to be designed from the ground up to be a campaign based game, it's got a few example scenarios in the book and a character advancement system. It's suitable for a wide range of player numbers from solo right up to large groups, depending on how the different factions are controlled, be it a player controlling a whole survivor group or a group of players each controlling an individual survivor. There's also the choice of the zombies being controlled by the game or by a player.
Hm, the cooler heads in this thread have indeed made me realise that the boxes of WGF stuff I already have mean I don't have any need at all to go all in on this one. Looking forward to seeing the rules and prices for the moderns and bikers, though!
Nick Ellingworth wrote: Try Skrimish Outbreak, it seems to be designed from the ground up to be a campaign based game, it's got a few example scenarios in the book and a character advancement system. It's suitable for a wide range of player numbers from solo right up to large groups, depending on how the different factions are controlled, be it a player controlling a whole survivor group or a group of players each controlling an individual survivor. There's also the choice of the zombies being controlled by the game or by a player.
I'll definitely give Skirmish Outbreak a look. The preview pages looked fun. Are there any other good campaign system rules out there I might want to try to bolster the value out of Project Z? In particular i'd love something with having to manage resources between missions/games, maybe some base-building, etc?
Interesting.. Dark Sphere are now listing the retail prices for the Project Z boxes. RRP on the survivors is £15. Spec Ops aren't listed yet but it already seems like it is cheaper to pre-order the bits individually than to get the bundle.
Siygess wrote: Interesting.. Dark Sphere are now listing the retail prices for the Project Z boxes. RRP on the survivors is £15. Spec Ops aren't listed yet but it already seems like it is cheaper to pre-order the bits individually than to get the bundle.
So the survivors will be roughly the same price as two years ago for 1/3 the minis? Wow...That price hike's beyond Games Workshopian in scope.
£15 for 10 wgf models seems a bit steep. Wgf was never the best quality stuff but it made up for that by offering hard plastic kits that others didn't and a lot of models for a reasoble price.
If they are going to start charging £1.50 per model they are gonna find it harder to compete with better sculpted but less versatile metals on the same genre.
Yeah. I'm thinking I may get some soldiers, possibly some bikers, but only after they show up on Miniature Market. Male zombies... guess I'll miss. I'm not buying any more vixens just to get those. @NTN, definitely skip the old male zombies box. I got some despite recommendations I shouldn't and the advice was sound. I'll probably use them for corpses/counters/scenery decorating stuff, just a few will get to be upright zombies (you can get away with *some* short dudes, just not a whole batch of them).
DW:OK wasn't even on my radar until the last couple of days but now we'll see what the US retail is and if I can find a discounter because alien cultists are almost as cool as zombies
That is a pretty big price jump. Probably best bet for the time being would be the starter set and the old WGF packs that are still available with retailers or ebay.
Although, TBH £1.50 per isn't bad for those special forces type guys, still think that's pretty good value. Warlord are also usually pretty good for doing multi-buy discounts or promos if Bolt Action/GoTA are anything to go by.
I just found a box of the male and female survivors (30-count) for less than $24 shipped each... Its kind of hard not to jump at that when the price is about to triple.
I'll just grab the base game, and a box or two of spec-ops and bikers, as Miniatures Market, a hair later. Real shame the prices just grew so out of hand. I don't begrudge anyone a mark-up, but man... tripling your prices are just madness.
It's also completely unnecessary. Maybe you could sort of use one sprue per 20 figures, but an accessory sprue per 10 is gonna be a lot of wasted bits. And yes, wasted, because a lot of them come on arms and aren't especially easy to remove to use with scenery for instance.
Glad I got my survivors when I did, I think, even if 30 of each is kinda overkill.
Honestly think I've talked myself out of the spec ops.
Looking at what I can get for metals of the same price and the spec ops ain't exactly winning. Unless the plastics are very versitile and allow a lot of options.
Specture miniatures, the assault group and emperess all have a compareable number of miniatures (in assault groups case more) for a similar price.
I think it probably made sense to increase the price. It seems likely the game isnt designed for anything more than *maybe* 15 survivors a side, if that. 30 is absolute overkill, even for most other games. Sou youd be unlikely to buy more than one, *maybe* two boxes, ever... annoying if you were planning on using them for something, but not really a huge problem, I think... well see.
Those prices kill my interest in the game and miniatures. The plastic spec ops look nice, but not that nice. Several of the poses are fairly awkward, further decreasing the value to me. It is so backwards to try and sell hips plastic miniatures in smaller numbers for higher prices.
carlos13th wrote: Honestly think I've talked myself out of the spec ops.
Looking at what I can get for metals of the same price and the spec ops ain't exactly winning. Unless the plastics are very versitile and allow a lot of options.
Specture miniatures, the assault group and emperess all have a compareable number of miniatures (in assault groups case more) for a similar price.
Every time I look at Spectre it seems all the stuff I want is out of stock .. :/
And definitely think these look better than a lot of the Empress miniatures, from what we have seen.
Gallahad wrote: Those prices kill my interest in the game and miniatures. The plastic spec ops look nice, but not that nice. Several of the poses are fairly awkward, further decreasing the value to me. It is so backwards to try and sell hips plastic miniatures in smaller numbers for higher prices.
Not many games call for 30 male and 30 female survivors. Not many modern games played in 28mm need dozens of troops, most are squad to platoon minus level.
It isn't like ancients or black powder era games where masses of troops are needed. Packaging the figures to better suit players of the types of games the figures are being bought for makes a lot of sense.
Gallahad wrote: Those prices kill my interest in the game and miniatures. The plastic spec ops look nice, but not that nice. Several of the poses are fairly awkward, further decreasing the value to me. It is so backwards to try and sell hips plastic miniatures in smaller numbers for higher prices.
Not many games call for 30 male and 30 female survivors. Not many modern games played in 28mm need dozens of troops, most are squad to platoon minus level.
It isn't like ancients or black powder era games where masses of troops are needed. Packaging the figures to better suit players of the types of games the figures are being bought for makes a lot of sense.
I wasn't making a comment about the number of miniatures per box, but the price per miniature. I think it makes perfect sense to package them in groups of ten. What doesn't make sense is pricing middling quality plastics in a price range where you are competing with metals. The practice of pricing plastics in the "sell less sprues for more money" range is that you are trying to make money off of keeping your already low production costs a tiny bit lower. You are trying to squeeze margins out of tiny costs instead of blowing your competition out of the water with market penetrating volume and price. Warlord probably saved $0.50-$1.00 by not including another sprue of bodies in the box. I was interested in picking up a couple boxes of the special forces to play Osprey's "Special Ops" game. Not anymore. I can buy miniatures I have a more pressing need for at those prices.
CptJake wrote: Not many games call for 30 male and 30 female survivors. Not many modern games played in 28mm need dozens of troops, most are squad to platoon minus level.
It isn't like ancients or black powder era games where masses of troops are needed. Packaging the figures to better suit players of the types of games the figures are being bought for makes a lot of sense.
But it doesn't better suit them. One sprue doesn't even give you ten survivors, it gives you one kid, one overweight survivor, and eight other survivors with a variety of outfits. Don't want skirts and high heels? You're down to six per sprue.
Put thirty models in the box and it doesn't matter so much if a third of it is dead weight. Put only ten in the box and charge 15 pounds for it and the diversity becomes a liability instead of an asset.
Yeah... looking at the 30-count boxes, I plan to cut the hat off of a female model to make Not-Carl, but in a box of ten it means that same head is now not available to me to use on a female survivor.
If for the same price (largely) I can have both options, I will always jump at the one that benefits me as the consumer.
Again, if I find an online seller with a killer discount on this whole bundle I might still consider it, but i'll probably just be doing this piece-meal now.
Gallahad wrote: Those prices kill my interest in the game and miniatures. The plastic spec ops look nice, but not that nice. Several of the poses are fairly awkward, further decreasing the value to me. It is so backwards to try and sell hips plastic miniatures in smaller numbers for higher prices.
Not many games call for 30 male and 30 female survivors. Not many modern games played in 28mm need dozens of troops, most are squad to platoon minus level.
It isn't like ancients or black powder era games where masses of troops are needed. Packaging the figures to better suit players of the types of games the figures are being bought for makes a lot of sense.
I wasn't making a comment about the number of miniatures per box, but the price per miniature. I think it makes perfect sense to package them in groups of ten. What doesn't make sense is pricing middling quality plastics in a price range where you are competing with metals. The practice of pricing plastics in the "sell less sprues for more money" range is that you are trying to make money off of keeping your already low production costs a tiny bit lower. You are trying to squeeze margins out of tiny costs instead of blowing your competition out of the water with market penetrating volume and price. Warlord probably saved $0.50-$1.00 by not including another sprue of bodies in the box. I was interested in picking up a couple boxes of the special forces to play Osprey's "Special Ops" game. Not anymore. I can buy miniatures I have a more pressing need for at those prices.
Except it doesnt cost Warlord $.50 - $1. It costs them selling another box. Possibly even selling a single box, after all, these are mainly meant as boosters for the starter set. Some people might actually be put off by having to buy 20 models just to get 3-4 more survivors they actually want/need.
As to the question of why they didnt just lower the price... economies of scale dont really work that well if each customer is unlikely to buy more than one box apiece. These models werent put into HIPS because WGF/WL wanted to sell them in huge amounts (well, theyd still like to, I suppose, but its unlikely and they know it). Theyre HIPS because people prefer using plastic over metal, for ease of converting, transporting, resilience.
Making them cheap just doesnt make sense from any perspective apart from consumers. And even they should generally be okay.
"The reason that God was able to create the world in seven days is that he didn't have to worry about the installed base." -Enzo Torresi
Project Z wasn't made in a vacuum. It's a zombie game in an oversaturated market, and it uses Wargames Factory miniatures. Wargames Factory miniatures are known for three things: good sculpts, cheap prices, multitude of parts to assemble. Guess which one stands out in a market that's (pun intended) buried in zombie miniatures. If Project Z wasn't attached to Wargames Factory, I think it could more easily set whatever prices and format it wanted to, but then would have to stand alone as a zombie miniatures game. Does the present gaming market really have enough interest in another zombie game to support it? I know as a boardgamer, the zombie boardgame market is pretty much saturated. CMON's release of Zombicide: Black Plague shows that they're spreading out from the modern-day zombie genre.
ced1106 wrote: "The reason that God was able to create the world in seven days is that he didn't have to worry about the installed base." -Enzo Torresi
Project Z wasn't made in a vacuum. It's a zombie game in an oversaturated market, and it uses Wargames Factory miniatures. Wargames Factory miniatures are known for three things: good sculpts, cheap prices, multitude of parts to assemble. Guess which one stands out in a market that's (pun intended) buried in zombie miniatures. If Project Z wasn't attached to Wargames Factory, I think it could more easily set whatever prices and format it wanted to, but then would have to stand alone as a zombie miniatures game. Does the present gaming market really have enough interest in another zombie game to support it? I know as a boardgamer, the zombie boardgame market is pretty much saturated. CMON's release of Zombicide: Black Plague shows that they're spreading out from the modern-day zombie genre.
Except a weekend's worth of research shows that the war-gaming side of zombie games is much leaner... with MAYBE two decent campaign/skirmish games, both of which are super indie affairs. Given great rules this game could do well on its own merits beyond models alone.
The only problem is... they're asking us to preorder, currently, with ZERO information regarding said rules. :-p
Yikes! Lots of activity and interest - keep it coming, guys!
Ok... to address a few points raised...
There's more info on the way - building up to the release... I'm angling to film a gameplay video in the coming weeks - most likely a Battle Report, showing the game in action... keep watching the Warlord Facebook page and Newsletters... I'll also keep you Forumites updated on this...
With regards to product releases, and whether individual sprues will be available... as yet, I believe we're still working-out the exact details...
There are plans for scenery, and I've seen some awesome things around the Warlord web office... we also work closely with a number of scenery manufacturers, so there *may* be even more stuff in-the-works.... you won't be disappointed, trust me!
Salute - I believe there'll be a demo game where you can try to game first-hand... and you'll be able to pick-up a copy of the game (and probably a number of the expansion kits) exclusively from the Warlord stand. We'll take as much stock as we can fit into the vans, but make sure you head over to the stand early to ensure you grab your copy...
The plan is to ship-out the 'Complete Zombie Bundle' pre-orders ahead of Salute, so that pre-orderers (is that a real word?!) will be the first people to get their hands on the game....
Fingers crossed regarding rules insights or a bat-rep in the next couple of weeks.
As it stands, its sort of a non-Kickstarter, Kickstarter, as I would have to go in hard for the bundle to ensure getting some of all of those sets early, but with gameplay being sight-unseen. :-p
I'm also worried if I hesitate too much, remaining WGF boxes will dry up, and I won't have too many options BUT direct from Warlord.
Gallahad wrote: Those prices kill my interest in the game and miniatures. The plastic spec ops look nice, but not that nice. Several of the poses are fairly awkward, further decreasing the value to me. It is so backwards to try and sell hips plastic miniatures in smaller numbers for higher prices.
Not many games call for 30 male and 30 female survivors. Not many modern games played in 28mm need dozens of troops, most are squad to platoon minus level.
It isn't like ancients or black powder era games where masses of troops are needed. Packaging the figures to better suit players of the types of games the figures are being bought for makes a lot of sense.
That seems like a myopic and market-blind approach to selling miniatures. Why try to snag more customers or steal some other game's thunder with your can't-miss sets when you can just charge too much for okay-to-decent plastics? I guess that approach worked for Frostgrave, though...right?
It seems like they're skipping Mantic's early period, when people actually bought their minis at retail because they were a good deal, and moved straight to Mantic's mid and later periods (sans Kickstarter).
Except it doesnt cost Warlord $.50 - $1. It costs them selling another box.
And how many consumers will buy 0 boxes instead of 1+ now? Probably more than will buy multiple boxes at obvious rip-off pricing. Customers who are immune to price hikes will probably stay with GW.
Possibly even selling a single box, after all, these are mainly meant as boosters for the starter set. Some people might actually be put off by having to buy 20 models just to get 3-4 more survivors they actually want/need.
That makes no sense at all. You're saying people would have a problem paying $25ish for 30 minis because of the 20 extra, but wouldn't have a problem paying the exact same amount for 10?
As to the question of why they didnt just lower the price... economies of scale dont really work that well if each customer is unlikely to buy more than one box apiece. These models werent put into HIPS because WGF/WL wanted to sell them in huge amounts (well, theyd still like to, I suppose, but its unlikely and they know it). Theyre HIPS because people prefer using plastic over metal, for ease of converting, transporting, resilience.
Making them cheap just doesnt make sense from any perspective apart from consumers. And even they should generally be okay.
Just my 2c.
They haven't tried using the economy of scale with their own worldwide distribution and a game. WGF never had a game for their minis, nor very good distribution. Still, they were a staple of many gamers' armies. Those days are probably gone now.
Amazon too, and they once were a pretty sweet price there (which is atypical for wargaming/miniatures). Skip the male zombies, they don't scale well with the rest of the range. Maybe ok for bits swaps and prone corpses, but more than a few mixed in with other zombies and you'll have a disproportionate amount of short dudes.
I'm also worried if I hesitate too much, remaining WGF boxes will dry up, and I won't have too many options BUT direct from Warlord.
Already happening. All boxes are Out of Stock from Miniature Market. Still some Women Survivors and male zombies at Warstore.
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Oh hell... It isn't worth waiting on it. Ebay still has a handful left from good sellers for $25 or so... I don't doubt I can do some cool hobby things with all those modular bits, and honestly... i'll just buy a biker gang and spec-ops box or two once they hit retail.
That bundle just isn't the value I would hope for when I can still buy literally the same survivors for double(ish) the value to myself.
I dunno. After examination it seems like the pricing model on this stuff is much more GoA than Bolt Action, Black Powder or Hail Caesar.
Whether that's due to a lack of competition on these models - Romans and Hussars are easy to find from a variety of manufacturers in plastic or metal from a variety of eras, but the Zombie Survivor market isn't exactly tight with high quality stuff from Hasslefree, etc.
Basically, WGF's pricing was pretty good for what it was, but it seems like they weren't exactly making much money doing it. I'd ave been happy with regular Warlord Games pricing on the new stuff, which would have resulted in buying lots of moderns and bikers, simply because.
But, you know. I can get very nice moderns from Eureka and Empress. I can get survivors from Hasslefree. I can (presumably) get the rules from Warlord, and I've already got more zombies than I'll ever need. The only "hard" part is bikers, and I've got plenty of unmounted bikers from the old Grenadier ranges sculpted by Mark Copplestone, which are still available from a variety of sources. Leaving bikers on bikes, and doing 2 versions (mounted, unmounted) of biker individuals.
judgedoug wrote: Did Warlord announces prices for anything other than the mega set yet, or did I miss something?
A retailer lists the box prices in pounds that would translate into $20-something. Boxes have one sprue of figures plus the option sprue, so 10 minis. If you have better information, please share it.
judgedoug wrote: Did Warlord announces prices for anything other than the mega set yet, or did I miss something?
A retailer lists the box prices in pounds that would translate into $20-something. Boxes have one sprue of figures plus the option sprue, so 10 minis. If you have better information, please share it.
Wow that's like a 1/3rd of the value of the original boxes by WGF, I really hope that's wrong.
All this talk of horrible repricing pushed me over the edge. I ended up having to order from overseas, but I have one of each set of survivors coming. Interestingly, none of the survivors appear to be available at any of the hobby stores here that do online ordering.
Yeah mate, Judgedoug asked earlier but I forgot to add the quote.
As for GW prices, well in the US maybe, in NZ that's a bargain in comparison.
Though I really don't get the pricing on the bikers, as I understand it they are two bikes with four models on foot for near the price of twenty foot models? Seems excessive for what they are, although the bikes themselves look pretty nice.
Anyone have a good link to leftovers of the WGF kits? The only ones I've seen are already marked up.. like.. stupidly high..
Looking for Female Survivors.
$40 for the biker gang might not be as outrageous as we've assumed. Even if it's 1 sprue of the 2 bikes plus the leader or 2 sprues of 2 bikes.. Find me any 28mm bikers at that rate and I'll happily snap them up. All the ones I've seen are about $15 per biker (or more). Now... if that's just one sprue of 2 bikers.. yeah.. that's bonkers.
Speaking of the bikers. I just spotted everything I've been needing to make a female Catachan Commissar.
Man, it's amazing how the value of the WGF kits have skyrocketed. Throughout the 2015 convention season, WGF kits direct from WGF were buy 4 get 1 free, or $10/box on last day of the con. They gave away free zombie vixen sprues at Historicon 2014 to everyone, and free sprues every year at the Muster.
Now everyone's chomping at the bit to pay WGF MSRP after several years of being able to purchase them for anywhere from 20-50% off depending on whichever online retailer had them.
I guess you really do appreciate the things you don't have anymore.
MLaw wrote: Anyone have a good link to leftovers of the WGF kits? The only ones I've seen are already marked up.. like.. stupidly high..
Looking for Female Survivors.
$40 for the biker gang might not be as outrageous as we've assumed. Even if it's 1 sprue of the 2 bikes plus the leader or 2 sprues of 2 bikes.. Find me any 28mm bikers at that rate and I'll happily snap them up. All the ones I've seen are about $15 per biker (or more). Now... if that's just one sprue of 2 bikers.. yeah.. that's bonkers.
Speaking of the bikers. I just spotted everything I've been needing to make a female Catachan Commissar.
The Warstore still has the female survivors (and only those) left in stock. I grabbed a box yesterday for like... $23 shipped.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: Oh and the biker sprue is two sprues. Each has one biker and I believe four torsos (and then riding or standing sets of legs).
The kit, supposedly, builds two bikes, and a total of six bikers in some combination of standing, or riding the bikes.
MLaw wrote: Anyone have a good link to leftovers of the WGF kits? The only ones I've seen are already marked up.. like.. stupidly high..
Looking for Female Survivors.
$40 for the biker gang might not be as outrageous as we've assumed. Even if it's 1 sprue of the 2 bikes plus the leader or 2 sprues of 2 bikes.. Find me any 28mm bikers at that rate and I'll happily snap them up. All the ones I've seen are about $15 per biker (or more). Now... if that's just one sprue of 2 bikers.. yeah.. that's bonkers.
Speaking of the bikers. I just spotted everything I've been needing to make a female Catachan Commissar.
The Warstore still has the female survivors (and only those) left in stock. I grabbed a box yesterday for like... $23 shipped.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: Oh and the biker sprue is two sprues. Each has one biker and I believe four torsos (and then riding or standing sets of legs).
The kit, supposedly, builds two bikes, and a total of six bikers in some combination of standing, or riding the bikes.
Chaosorc.com has them $17 before shipping. I picked up a box plus some Ex Illis for 50% off for $40 shipped (for both).
Also, I'm almost 100% positive there are 2 bikes per sprue. Those aren't halves from my understanding. Similar to the Black Reach Deff Koptas.
EDIT: I didn't see the bottom part about the standing bikers. Hm.. that's another consideration. As to the contents.. if you're reading an official description on the bike contents is there a link I missed? I looked on the Warlord site and didn't see it.
The biker sprues were spoiled recently. I found them via this thread, but can't recall precisely where.
Somewhere it was clarified that the box makes something like four standing gangers, two bikes with 1-2 riders, and the boss-biker which is a set model (w/girl carrying rocket-launcher), on a third bike... but supposedly this biker leader would be sold separately outside of the Warlord mega-bundle.
Even so... if the box is msrp $40, for two bikes + four solo models... it isn't a bad deal, especially with an online store discount added into it.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: The biker sprues were spoiled recently. I found them via this thread, but can't recall precisely where.
Somewhere it was clarified that the box makes something like four standing gangers, two bikes with 1-2 riders, and the boss-biker which is a set model (w/girl carrying rocket-launcher), on a third bike... but supposedly this biker leader would be sold separately outside of the Warlord mega-bundle.
Even so... if the box is msrp $40, for two bikes + four solo models... it isn't a bad deal, especially with an online store discount added into it.
It's an even better deal if it means you get spare rider parts.. I always end up needing to find riding legs and handlebar hands for different projects.
judgedoug wrote: Man, it's amazing how the value of the WGF kits have skyrocketed. Throughout the 2015 convention season, WGF kits direct from WGF were buy 4 get 1 free, or $10/box on last day of the con. They gave away free zombie vixen sprues at Historicon 2014 to everyone, and free sprues every year at the Muster.
Now everyone's chomping at the bit to pay WGF MSRP after several years of being able to purchase them for anywhere from 20-50% off depending on whichever online retailer had them.
I guess you really do appreciate the things you don't have anymore.
I tended to snap them up whenever the FLGS had them in stock. Just never got the WW2 Russians. I was looking forward to the modern soldiers and bikers, but at these prices I might just do without. I would say I appreciated them just fine before I lost them, before they were taken away. I probably would have bought a second box of the survivors for conversions but I was waiting on other kits for parts and didn't want to buy things I wouldn't use for a year or more. Never expected them to jump price so much or disappear completely.
It's an even better deal if it means you get spare rider parts.. I always end up needing to find riding legs and handlebar hands for different projects.
Bob - lol.. well.. I hadn't considered that but now that you mention it.. I can't seem to think of anything else.
Chaosorc had some of the other WGF kits. If you're looking for those give them a shot.
WGF was always a panic button for me. If I needed something but couldn't find it anywhere hit the panic button and hope some of the kits worked out. When they started they were neat. The old idea submission system and all of that.. it was just very cool. What I do regret missing is being able to buy the cannons and horses for ridiculously cheap.
That's good news for everyone else because I think the box I bought from Chaosorc.com was the last one. They still have at least one box of the male survivors though.
A couple of years ago I was able to pick up both survivor sets and the zombie vixens, all brand new in box, for about $12 each at a con. That was a good deal then, but now it really rocks. My uncle was confused as to why I bought them...I said one day they would surely come in handy, lol. I did also buy the Mein Zombie rules to try out, but have never gotten around to doing so. :-(
As for the Project Z game, I trust that Warlord will provide an enjoyable game. I would preorder the box set itself right now if I could (obviously don't need the big set they are offering at the moment). I'll likely get the box set and the biker gang when available.
So, i've got to say, I have been making male/female survivors all day out of the WGF sprues, and have been having a blast. That is a really cool set, and if its the back-bone of this line/game, it is a hell of a start.
That said, a couple practical problems. The minute you drop to a single-sprue for the price, the modularity of the kit gaks the bed. You really want to have access to different sets of arms, as some bodies absolutely must have access to long-sleeves, while others take any arms nicely. I've had to accept that I will probably be making say, 22-24 out of a box of 30, mostly because I have appropriated some of the only good sets of arms for the "wrong" model, leaving some leftover that are viable models, but might just look foolish as hell. I guess I could paint up suit guys with torn off sleeves though...
Also, packing one of the accessory sprues to one body sprue is going to be incredibly wasteful for non-kitbashers. Across 20+ guys I have barely used half of one accessory sprue, and that was with going out of my way to make genuinely unique models.
I got my Female Survivors in today. I already had the males, so I was just fixing that gap.
I really have to agree with a few of the people posting. As great of a price as it is to get 30 for like $15ish bucks or whatever you could find it for.. There's no way I can see myself using all of these for survivors. I have some ideas for other purposes and you can make some unarmed to use as hostages or civilians in other games.. but 30 survivors.. or 60 with the men.. geez. Throw in a few vehicles and that's almost an IG army.
As to the accessories and extra bits. If you're looking at more realistic scale, you can use a lot of the female arms on the male bodies. The other way around could work too but not really 100% across the board.
All in all.. if you don't have the WGF boxes, I don't really feel like they're doing a huge injustice by dropping it down to 10x per box. While it does raise the per model price, the 30x really was a bit overkill.
I have not bought any WGF zombies and have heard they're not that great.. so maybe on those I'll look elsewhere or wait for the revamp.
I like the sculpts on the survivors and I have faith that the military/militia and bikers will be similar quality sculpts.
Honestly, while I probably won't build all 60 of my survivors, I do really appreciate not having to be careful with using bits I like most. I just plain enjoy some of the heads/bodies/arms more than others, but at the insane price for a box of 30, I don't care if I only use half, but really love what I am building...
I think the sets of 10 do injustice to the modularity on display. With essentially no conversion skills you can still whip up some really unique models with so many extras.
I was thinking about using the extra body parts and whatnot for basing, bits to glue onto other figures (eg. zombie holding arm to eat), terrain (zombie arms coming out of the ground), etc.
As for there being only "two" zombie miniatures games out there, I did a quick search and found several homebrew ones. The two I'm familiar with are All Things Zombie and Fear and Faith, but the Chicago Skirmish Wargames group have been using Nuclear Renaissance and Blasters & Bulkheads. They're obviously having fun with these games, so I'm not seeing a lack of zombie miniature games out there, or at least ones that accommodate them. OTOH, If you have played several zombie miniature game systems, I definitely would like to know what you think of them! ATZ's reaction system looks like a good ruleset for untrained and undisclipined figures?
I was looking at the kits more closely last night.
There's a lot of obvious celebrity bits and many that are close enough.
You can do most of TWD characters. Sam and Dean and others from Supernatural, Trinity and Neo and the Agents from The Matrix, Ash Ketchum.. kinda.. The guys from The Big Lebowski, Shaun of the Dead, RED, Die Hard, Resident Evil.. hm.. off the top of my head that's what I came up with. Oh.. maybe Blade.. have to look again.
What kind of "celebrities" have you guys mashed up from the kits if any?
MLaw wrote: I was looking at the kits more closely last night.
There's a lot of obvious celebrity bits and many that are close enough.
You can do most of TWD characters. Sam and Dean and others from Supernatural, Trinity and Neo and the Agents from The Matrix, Ash Ketchum.. kinda.. The guys from The Big Lebowski, Shaun of the Dead, RED, Die Hard, Resident Evil.. hm.. off the top of my head that's what I came up with. Oh.. maybe Blade.. have to look again.
What kind of "celebrities" have you guys mashed up from the kits if any?
I've been loving the TV version of "From Dusk Till Dawn", so I made the Gekko brothers, and Scott and Katie, so far. :-p
You can definitely do Shaun, cricket bat and all, I've not tried to do Ed but I wonder if the... overweight gentleman body might work, not sure if there's a head that works, though.
Paradigm wrote: You can definitely do Shaun, cricket bat and all, I've not tried to do Ed but I wonder if the... overweight gentleman body might work, not sure if there's a head that works, though.
Gameplay looks fast and uncomplicated... looking forward to seeing the rules for myself... does anyone know if there's any kind of a campaign system, or a way of linking games with a narrative?
Gameplay looks a lot like it will just be lining up everyone in the middle and rolling dice at each other until someone gets lucky with an overwhelming hit.
Army building is, if I understand it right, mostly just a sliding scale of fighter quality vs quantity, with all weapons assumed to be equally good.
CptJake wrote: I like getting the Warlord newsletters, there is ofter some decent stuff in them. Heck, that is how I found out about the PDF rules.
actually I agree. Warlord's Wednesday hobby newsletters are an awesome mid-week early-morning read and their Friday releases newsletters almost always make me want to order something. Probably the best newsletters from any company I've ever gotten (plus the £50 monthly prize draw for newsletter subscribers is a nice bonus!)
GIJoe games in 28mm, now we just need suitable Cobra troopers 
my tablet won't let me just link to pictures on google so my funny has turned into a fail 
